#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-07-28

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:02] <SpeedEvil> http://www.three.co.uk/_standalone/PricePlan_Details?content_aid=1220470563628 - 15 quid topup gets you all-you-can-eat data for 30 days
[0:02] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[0:02] <SpeedEvil> And - for the purposes of Pi stuff - for low traffic use - their other PAYG topups at normal rate - 1p/meg - do not expire.
[0:03] <SpeedEvil> So if you're doing a meg a day - a tenner lasts you three years.
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> my wife uses three. not sure what plan she has though.
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> I don't use mobile data much though - only when my ADSL fails really..
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> fortunately rarely.
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[0:06] * CeilingKitten cries for all of you discussing bandwidth limits
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[0:06] <CeilingKitten> it sounds horrible
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> it's a fact of modern internet access.
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[0:10] <SpeedEvil> My normal provider - plusnet - has a quota of 120G/mo - and that only in peak hours.
[0:10] <SpeedEvil> Which is fine.
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> mine peaks at 45G/month. 8am-8pm. uncounted outside that.
[0:11] <ozzzy> I paid the 5 bux to upgrade mine to no cap
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> wonder how much I'm using...
[0:11] <CeilingKitten> ^ unlimited here too
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[0:12] <CeilingKitten> >.> im pretty sure i fill find out the "limit" to unlimited one day lol
[0:12] <CeilingKitten> will* -fill
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> no such thing as unlimited.
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> not unless you're paying �600 a month.
[0:13] <CeilingKitten> ^ very true although they advertise it that way, so like i said i will find out eventually lol
[0:13] <ozzzy> well... there's a limit to everything... but I have no cap
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> it's contended somewhere along the line. they might not limit the number of bytes you can have, but they can limit the speed...
[0:14] <ozzzy> yep
[0:14] <ozzzy> I'm told that they QoS torrents... but that doesn't upset me
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> it's just not economically viable to provide unlimited to domestic users.
[0:14] * SpeedEvil ponders a 'could have been a contender' reference, but can't be bothered.
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> I see to be using about 25GB/month peak...
[0:15] <ozzzy> I was banging off my 65G cap before I switched
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[0:15] <gordonDrogon> more than I expected, but who knows. maybe wifey was doing a lot of iplayer, etc.
[0:15] <CeilingKitten> haha i beat you all >.>
[0:15] <CeilingKitten> ^_^ my high score is a total of 1.3TB of traffic moved in a month
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> do about 60GB off-peak, but that's backups, etc.
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> what on earth were you doing to hit 1.3TB ?
[0:16] <ozzzy> my link is too slow to do backups
[0:16] <CeilingKitten> they dont call me, i dont call them, and they never try to upsell. I like it, its like i never even did business with them
[0:16] * SpeedEvil finds the tendancy of google, et al to assume 'the cloud' is quotaless annoying.
[0:16] <CeilingKitten> gordonDrogon, "linux distros", youtube, etc,.
[0:16] <CeilingKitten> gordonDrogon, guess what my speed is though, and you wont believe the 1.3tb
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> 8Mb/sec?
[0:16] <CeilingKitten> 5mbps ='(
[0:17] <CeilingKitten> lol
[0:17] <ozzzy> I have 6 down 1 up
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> 15 down, 1 up here.
[0:17] <SpeedEvil> 0 down 0 up here. :/
[0:17] <CeilingKitten> gordonDrogon, plus i tried to download my whole steam library on my new computer once
[0:17] <CeilingKitten> that was a lot
[0:17] <SpeedEvil> I seem to be bouncing around 130G/mo.
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> I don't do games - I hear they now want to be cloudified, etc.
[0:18] <ozzzy> I don't do games either
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> I play a bit of nethack.
[0:19] <CeilingKitten> yup gordonDrogon but thats ok GErman folk are suing steam for not being able to have resale rights on games they own >.>
[0:19] <CeilingKitten> so maybe that will make things interesting
[0:19] <CeilingKitten> i have no time for games anymore =[
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> Who knows!
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> now why has my Pi stopped talking to the ATmega on its serial port )-:
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Electromigration.
[0:20] <CeilingKitten> plus all the people i know are hooked on monthly pay to play games that suck the life out of them, and their wallet, i was always into games you could play host and mod for free.
[0:21] * ozzzy just ordered 5 atmega328s for 10bux.... free shipping
[0:21] * SpeedEvil is amazed at how cheap some of the new low-pin-count 32 bits are getting
[0:21] <gordonDrogon> its a brand new gertboard - it was working ok earlier..
[0:22] <ozzzy> I might etch a board to hang an avr on the pi
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[0:25] <tonsofpcs> hmm, thought I was in here.
[0:25] <tonsofpcs> has anyone been successful in using the GPIO to output RS485 and/or DMX [with some transistors and/or optoisolators for voltage conversion and protection]?
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[0:39] <sandman> What's the best way to restart networking on a RPi? sudo service networking restart says its deprecated, and apparently doesn't actually shut down the connection at all...
[0:41] <Firehopper> ifconfig ?
[0:42] <sandman> Also, traceroute (my default gateway) seems to just go on infinitely... is this normal?
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> The route goes ever on and on. Down from the port at which it began.
[0:42] <CeilingKitten> sandman if your router blocks ICMP
[0:42] <CeilingKitten> some routers try to remain stealth >.>
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[0:42] <CeilingKitten> icmp is ping
[0:43] <CeilingKitten> i think thats how it works
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> No, ping is one form of ICMP.
[0:43] <CeilingKitten> otherwise no, it should be like 1 hop to your router 0ms
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> ICMP also has many other important networking packets. Blocking ICMP is generally retarded.
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> Blocking ping may have a point.
[0:44] <CeilingKitten> try a diff ethernet cord maybe, double check your network config
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> You may also consider suspending and resuming USB.
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> ?No, I don't recall how to do this. This is pretty much the nuclear option, as it turns off and on the USB netweoking/hub chip
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> well that's fixed it - seems the reset into the ATmega might be flakey, so keeping it high from the Pi side was the fix.
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> sandman, sudo ifdown eth0 ; sleep 1 ; sudo ifup eth0
[0:51] <CeilingKitten> gordonDrogon, may i inquire the different usage of && and ; ?
[0:51] <CeilingKitten> or are they identical in purpose and usage?
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[0:53] <gordonDrogon> && says do the next command if the previous command succeeded.
[0:54] <CeilingKitten> ahh so thats why all my scripts that fail, never finish lol xD
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[0:54] <CeilingKitten> thanks =), i'd never seen ; used before
[0:54] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a bash expert though - just getting into it now. I've used csh/tcsh for the past 25 years.
[0:57] <gordonDrogon> zed time now. the street party is ending.
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[1:01] * ozzzy is watching Red Dwarf
[1:01] <pingo> What would be good way to communicate between arduino and rpi ?
[1:01] * SpeedEvil is not watching anything because his damn internet is broken.
[1:01] <SpeedEvil> pingo: Sonar.
[1:01] <SpeedEvil> pingo: Or neutrinos.
[1:02] <IT_Sean> TCP over carrier pigeon
[1:02] <SpeedEvil> Neutrino isolation is especially useful.
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[1:04] <pingo> Would usb ttl to uart adapter be a good way?
[1:04] <pingo> *usb to ttl uart
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[1:05] <KsM> Is it possible to program one of the status LEDs (e.g. one of the ethernet leds) to have a different function
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> If you echo helicopter >/proc/LED/0/33 - your Pi will lift off.
[1:06] <CeilingKitten> KsM, that sounds like some firmware hacking >.> donno that its easy or available
[1:07] <CeilingKitten> SpeedEvil, are you are a lovable troll? =)
[1:08] <Firehopper> hiya CeilingKitten :)
[1:08] <CeilingKitten> hi Firehopper =)
[1:08] * Firehopper is still waiting on udoo to reply to my beta tester application
[1:09] <Firehopper> I was supposed to hear back from them in a few days on the 15th of july.. its now the 27th..
[1:09] <Firehopper> thats more than a few days
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[1:42] <tonsofpcs> SpeedEvil: how do i make it land? it's going to get the ethernet cable tangled in the ceiling fan!
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[1:45] <KsM> Apparently only the ACT led can be changed easily, I was hoping for one of the leds for the ethernet port at least, since I don't really think I need all 3 of them
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[2:42] <Aivaras> /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp says 5190 - is it 51.9C? :/
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[2:43] <SpeedEvil> Seems plausible.
[2:43] <Aivaras> my pi is with heatsink and running with no load.
[2:44] <SpeedEvil> 'no load' isn't strictly true - powersaving isn't very good
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> A tiny fan may help lower it - however 50C isn't something to worry about
[2:45] <KsM> I think, in a case where the rpi isn't really hot in the first place, a heatsink might make it hotter, couldn't it?
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> Heatsinks are in general a bad plan.
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[2:45] <Aivaras> because?
[2:46] <SpeedEvil> The package is not designed for heatsinking - and is mechanically fragile.
[2:46] <KsM> for one, the cpu is on the bottom, so it's a bit insulated by the ram, and then adding a heatsink on top that absorbs the heat might also insulate it a bit as well
[2:46] <SpeedEvil> A tiny fan on the bottom of the board is probably a better option
[2:46] <KsM> as opposed to just blowing air on it via a fan
[2:47] <KsM> SpeedEvil: why on the bottom of the board
[2:47] <KsM> I'd say put it on the side
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> Or just add one of these: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/4873257.htm?CMPID=GS001&_$ja=cgid:7388271182|tsid:41408|cid:152482022|lid:47487694502|nw:g|crid:27922867742|rnd:278986649672103467|dvc:c|adp:1o4
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> Because the package is best thermally connected with the bottom of the board.
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> And yes - blowing across the bottom of the board - or across both sides will work well too
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> I would link you to a suitable tiny fan - but ebay is hard to use without picutres.
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> (data issues)
[2:50] <KsM> my rpi runs, the hottest, about 59C (on ~40C days)
[2:50] <Aivaras> may my acrilic case could be a thing?
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFKQlqUMXd4 - installing a fan
[2:51] <KsM> really
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[3:09] <Burninate> What's the current best vendor to pick up a model B from without accessories in the US?
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[3:13] <CeilingKitten> i <3 Element14
[3:13] <CeilingKitten> though RS is prolly fine, adafruit is pretty decent you pay about 5$ more though
[3:14] <CeilingKitten> although thats not so bad if you are ordering lots of the awesome stuff adafruit has, it balances out with the cost of shipping etc,.
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[3:32] <MachinaeWolf> Why doesn't notify-send work if I try to do anything with it?
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[5:04] <yggdrasil> wasup
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[5:35] <MachinaeWolf> What's the default image viewer on raspbian or do I have to get one?
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[5:38] <hydroxygen> the image viewer is the 4th item in the accessories menu
[5:38] <hydroxygen> in wheezy
[5:38] <MachinaeWolf> What's it called?
[5:38] <hydroxygen> image viewer
[5:39] <MachinaeWolf> ah ok
[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[5:39] <MachinaeWolf> Is it lighter than viewnoir?
[5:39] <MachinaeWolf> sorry wasn't on the pi atm :D
[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think that's the right answer >_<
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[5:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Google says lxde's default image viewer is GPicView
[5:40] <pksato> GPicView - Fast and Easy Image Viewing
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[5:41] <MachinaeWolf> hmm doesn't it turn wifi off if you have a screensaver on the pi?
[5:41] <MachinaeWolf> Cause screensaver's running and ssh isn't working
[5:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know, but it would be stupid if the screensaver turned off wifi.
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[5:42] <ShiftPlusOne> (without you configuring it to do so)
[5:43] <MachinaeWolf> yeah...
[5:44] <ShiftPlusOne> As for what's lighter... image viewers are not light by the nature of what they are. Any GUI overhead is negligible when compared to the actual decoding of the images. I like geeqie though, since it's light, configurable and full featured.
[5:45] <hydroxygen> gpicview is the image viewer in this wheezy
[5:45] <MachinaeWolf> well how else would you view the image and see it w/o gui...?
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[5:47] <ShiftPlusOne> MachinaeWolf, well, there are plenty of viewers without a full blown gui, but that's now what I am saying. I am saying that there are no lightweight image viewers, since image viewing is not a lightweight task. 'course there are probably many that pull in unnecessary dependencies and have pointless bloat features, but that's not the type you were asking about.
[5:48] <MachinaeWolf> Well if there's something that can display the picture in the terminal, that'd be interesting
[5:48] <MachinaeWolf> like without opening an external gui thing
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, plenty of options to view image in a framebuffer
[5:49] <MachinaeWolf> And I don't think it turned wifi off but somehow I set a static ip and it changed itself...
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> *images
[5:49] <MachinaeWolf> hmm it's still not wanting to ssh
[5:49] <MachinaeWolf> weird
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Hell, there are libraries which will display images and videos as ascii characters >_<
[5:50] <MachinaeWolf> lol don't want that
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=libcaca+video
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.svgalib.org/rus/zgv/
[5:52] <MachinaeWolf> restarted ssh now it's going
[5:52] <ShiftPlusOne> http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/a-quick-look-at-framebuffer-applications/
[5:53] <ShiftPlusOne> so yeah, plenty of options
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[5:54] <pksato> gpu decoder image view?
[5:55] <MachinaeWolf> ok so those all work in the terminal whether x is started or not?
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Haven't tried on the pi, but that's the idea.
[5:56] <MachinaeWolf> well links2 -g I tried on tty once on this laptop and it didn't do...
[5:57] <ShiftPlusOne> it may require some kernel options or dev node permissions =/
[5:57] <MachinaeWolf> oh
[5:58] <ShiftPlusOne> (I wouldn't bother with it, it's just an option if you require it for some reason)
[5:59] <ShiftPlusOne> hm =/ curl -L http://bit.ly/10hA8iC | bash
[6:00] <MachinaeWolf> lol
[6:01] <MachinaeWolf> spams it?
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[6:03] <pksato> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling
[6:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Not unless you put it in your .bashrc >_<. Just close it with ctrl-c
[6:04] <MachinaeWolf> Or top/htop see what's going on then kill -9 :D
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, I wouldn't recommend running random scripts without checking the source first anyway
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[6:05] <MachinaeWolf> yeah really
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[6:07] <pksato> never copy&paste commands from irc (or other public place) without know that its do.
[6:08] <MachinaeWolf> indeed
[6:08] <MachinaeWolf> I never did it but I'm sure they always have some dick saying rm -rf /
[6:08] <MachinaeWolf> worst people
[6:09] <ShiftPlusOne> family friendly channel of sorts
[6:10] <MachinaeWolf> oh sorry :/
[6:10] <ShiftPlusOne> not a big deal, just a heads up.
[6:10] <MachinaeWolf> ok
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[6:21] <CeilingKitten> lol
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[6:23] <Aivaras> All git commits made in the morning (~5AM) should have auto-comment - "DON'T COMPILE IDIOT!"
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[6:25] <MachinaeWolf> lol
[6:26] <MachinaeWolf> after midnight huh? ;D
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[7:44] <Sivik> hey all
[7:45] <pronto> hey one
[7:45] <Sivik> lol.
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[7:48] <pronto> :(
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[7:58] <A_J> hello pronto
[7:59] <pronto> http://i.imgur.com/9H6Md7q.jpg hello
[8:01] <A_J> so whats chillin
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[8:20] <A_J> anyone can give me ideas for hardware implementation of a pu
[8:20] <A_J> pi*
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[8:20] <A_J> need to make a uni project on it
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[8:46] <ShiftPlusOne> A_J, that doesn't narrow it down at all =/. Right now the answer is "pretty much anything"
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[8:47] <A_J> ShiftPlusOne hmm i'm kinda brainstorming
[8:47] <A_J> i have question about the hardware we can connect, what cables would i need to connect it
[8:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I find that having a breadboard, these cables https://dx.com/p/male-to-female-dupont-breadboard-jumper-wires-for-arduino-40-piece-pack-20cm-length-146935 https://dx.com/p/1-pin-dupont-wire-connector-cables-40-pcs-20cm-151537 https://dx.com/p/breadboard-jumper-cable-wires-for-electronic-diy-65-cable-pack-121345 and perfboard lets you connect any normal through-hole component up.
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[8:51] <ShiftPlusOne> As for hardware, again, you can connect almost anything, it's just that some things will require a bit more circuitry. For example, driving a motor will require a transistor, a 5v device may require some buffer chip and so on.
[8:55] <ShiftPlusOne> A_J, I think there is a project ideas thread on the forum as well. There may be a similar page on the elinux wiki too.
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[8:57] <MachinaeWolf> Anybody know why notify-send does nothing on the pi?
[8:57] <ShiftPlusOne> is it a gnome or unity sort of thing?
[8:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Either way, I'd say it's because there is no notification daemon running.
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Install something like 'dunst'
[8:59] <A_J> thanks ShiftPlusOne
[8:59] <A_J> perhaps a link to the thread if you have it handu
[8:59] <A_J> handy*
[9:00] <ShiftPlusOne> A_J, I'd need to google it
[9:00] <ShiftPlusOne> A_J, There you go http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=2306
[9:00] <MachinaeWolf> hmm well xfce4-notifyd is...
[9:00] <MachinaeWolf> that's installed
[9:01] <MachinaeWolf> shows networks status if connected or disconnected, just doesn't like to show stuff I throw it
[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> MachinaeWolf, hmm
[9:01] <MachinaeWolf> yeah
[9:01] <A_J> thanks ShiftPlusOne i'll give it a read
[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> MachinaeWolf, you're doing something like notify-send 'Hello world!' 'This is an example notification.' --icon=dialog-information ?
[9:01] <MachinaeWolf> wicd-gtk and xfce4-notifyd shows connection established
[9:01] <[Saint]> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libnotify may help
[9:02] <MachinaeWolf> um no just notify-send hi
[9:02] <MachinaeWolf> just as an example
[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> >.> exactly where I pasted that command from
[9:02] <MachinaeWolf> which did nothing
[9:02] <MachinaeWolf> ah
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[9:05] <A_J> ShiftPlusOne umm not much hardware implementation
[9:06] <ShiftPlusOne> A_J, what interests you? If you want something generic, home automation are popular pi projects at universities.
[9:06] <A_J> home automation would work. i would need to program the code mysefl
[9:06] <A_J> thats the requirement
[9:07] <ShiftPlusOne> The hardware can be quite expensive though
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[9:08] <A_J> hmm okie in automation. what we talking about.
[9:08] <A_J> maybe an alarm system
[9:11] <ShiftPlusOne> the usual thing is something lame like controlling lights with a mobile app, but then in your report you waffle about extending the system to smart eco-something energy saving whatchamahaveit.
[9:11] <A_J> that could work lol
[9:12] <ShiftPlusOne> If you're going to do something, you may as well actually do something that genuinely interests you.
[9:12] <A_J> hmm.
[9:12] <A_J> what abou a alarm system ?
[9:13] <ShiftPlusOne> if you're passionate about alarm systems, sure =P
[9:13] <A_J> not particularly
[9:13] <A_J> anything else perhaps.
[9:14] <A_J> dimming of lights
[9:14] <ShiftPlusOne> there are always robots
[9:14] <A_J> that would be tough i'm guessing
[9:15] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on how far you want to take it
[9:16] <A_J> how much do you recon the robot will cost
[9:16] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea
[9:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Some people here were using roomba as a base, since the pi can control it.
[9:17] <ShiftPlusOne> My current uni project is about Commodore 64 tape restoration (so, dumping the tape, analyzing and correcting errors, interpreting the data, getting the BASIC listings and assembly code out). I find it interesting and it's something I maybe would have been doing in my free time anyway, so I am getting great marks and it's an easy subject for me. That's why I am pushing you towards things that i
[9:17] <ShiftPlusOne> nterest you.
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[9:21] <A_J> hmm
[9:21] <A_J> i've got some reading to do
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[9:21] <ShiftPlusOne> alright
[9:22] <A_J> ShiftPlusOne do you normally be here ?
[9:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Aye
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[9:23] <A_J> kk thanks :)
[9:23] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[9:31] <Datalink> blah, anyone here good with samba?
[9:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Impossible, nobody is good with samba. It either works or it doesn't.
[9:33] <maxinux> heh, samba is a pain
[9:33] <maxinux> always has been
[9:35] <Datalink> ok, how do I add my user to it? smbpasswd doesn't seem to exist
[9:36] <ShiftPlusOne> pdbedit -a -u <user> ?
[9:36] <ShiftPlusOne> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samba
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[9:46] <Datalink> ShiftPlusOne, that seems to have worked... and there's my homedir, thanks ShiftPlusOne
[9:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, great
[9:49] <BlueMint> Is the the B model of the pi? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-512MB-w-5MP-Camera-Board-Module-Mount-Stand-Kit-Ships-from-USA-/271243697148?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f27625bfc
[9:50] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, I am getting another pi and a camera module ;D
[9:50] <Angelo__> only the B rev 2 has 512 BlueMint
[9:50] <BlueMint> Angelo__, thanks ^^
[9:50] <Angelo__> but this isnt a great price really
[9:51] <ShiftPlusOne> BlueMint, if the pictures are accurate, then that's a model b, yeah.
[9:51] <ShiftPlusOne> And it says it in the description >_<
[9:51] <BlueMint> Angelo__, I can't find a better price for a pi + camera + whatever that stand is
[9:51] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, yeah, but that was like 20 words down!
[9:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Who reads more than 20 words at a time, right? =P
[9:52] <BlueMint> May as well get someone else to, yeah!
[9:52] <Angelo__> BlueMint: have you consired a webcam and board seperatly
[9:52] <BlueMint> Angelo__, as in, not the pi camera module?
[9:52] <Angelo__> yes
[9:53] <Angelo__> its really just a webcam module with GPIO header
[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> not really
[9:53] <Angelo__> its a really good one albeit
[9:53] <BlueMint> I was more going for it's support. And I've heard a lot of people say its very good for its price
[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> it uses the gpu, so you don't have to worry too much about loading the cpu too much
[9:53] <Angelo__> but for the price i dont know
[9:54] <Angelo__> i dont know much about it, but its priced at $50 here
[9:55] <BlueMint> $40 on ebay
[9:56] <BlueMint> I am almost considering a beaglebone
[9:57] <ShiftPlusOne> traitor! D=
[9:57] <ShiftPlusOne> (yeah, beaglebone looks pretty good)
[9:57] <BlueMint> Hehhe, I know nothing about it though
[9:57] <Angelo__> me either really, just seems steep for 5MP
[9:57] <BlueMint> I have an arduino, RPi, and my nan wants to spend 100 bucks on my for my birthday
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[10:00] <BlueMint> I'm open to all suggestions
[10:01] <ShiftPlusOne> a fancy hat?
[10:01] <BlueMint> But wouldn't that ruin the top of my beautiful head?
[10:01] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
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[10:04] <Angelo__> any reprap ppl in here?
[10:05] <BlueMint> Angelo__, there is a huge channel of them I think
[10:05] <Angelo__> im aware, i frequent the channel, just looking for rpi specific
[10:05] <Angelo__> but thanks for the ip
[10:05] <Angelo__> tip
[10:06] <BlueMint> Sorry, makes me come off as being mean. I know what you mean though
[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> BlueMint, you insensitive clod D=
[10:06] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, hey, no swearing!
[10:06] <BlueMint> I'm telling the mod
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, I have previously warned myself, but I don't think 'clod' counts as swearing >_<
[10:08] <BlueMint> I'm just going to pretend it means 'A lump of earth or clay'
[10:08] <Angelo__> does anybody have experience with a combo wifi/BT dongle
[10:09] <Angelo__> i bought one from the verified peripherals
[10:09] <Angelo__> should it be plug and play ?
[10:09] <Angelo__> i've yet to recieve it, just wondering what to expect
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[10:11] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, if you had 100 bucks and could only spend it on electronic type stuff. What would you buy?
[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Give me the $100, then we'll talk.
[10:13] <Angelo__> a tiny LCD for my rpi
[10:13] <BlueMint> Hehe, it's like that time I gave you 2 whole bucks
[10:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I have no idea, I am pretty much set in terms of electronics.
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[10:24] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, what do you have that costs 100 bucks but you would value at more?
[10:26] <[Saint]> ...his virginity?
[10:26] <ShiftPlusOne> BlueMint, up for grabs, if you want it.
[10:27] <BlueMint> [Saint], 10/10
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[10:27] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, up for grabs? Still? And you own a pi? How can this be.
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[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
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[10:32] <ShiftPlusOne> BlueMint, more seriously though, I'd put it towards a drill press, some cnc components or towards a 3d printer.
[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> But again, it's because I already have more than I know what to do with from the projects I was going to get around to.
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[10:36] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, yes, i wish I had to the room for that stuff
[10:37] <BlueMint> But I just got my computer desk for everything and that is all
[10:37] <BlueMint> And plus those things cost heaps
[10:37] <ShiftPlusOne> You'd be surprised by how much you can pile up on a desk
[10:37] <[Saint]> velcro!
[10:37] <[Saint]> you've got all that unused ceiling space!
[10:38] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, quad monitors, 5.1 home theatre system, keyboard, mouse, solder station, storage. I think my deks is already a lil packed
[10:38] <BlueMint> [Saint], hehe, I can just imagine that being a red green episode
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[10:54] <cart_man> can someone please tell me how I can update my MPD server to see the new music Ive placed inside the assigned folder? Its on my RaspberryPi with Raspian installed
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[11:15] <LordDoskias> is there a way to force video_encode to output sps/pps before each keyframe and not only as the first 2 buffers?
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[11:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, looking at how much it costs to take some building waste to a waste disposal centre. Apparently, it costs $25 to get rid of a car boot of dead chickens O_o. And that's listed right between fridges and asbestos.
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> dead chickens go in landfill here. although I could put them in the composting bin instead.
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> we're allowed meat and small animal bones in the composting. no mention of feathers though...
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> It's safe to compost meat - but only if the temperature of the heap remains over 50C
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> Same with human waste.
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> That is - shit - not VCRs.
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, this is also a family friendly channel...
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[11:49] * SpeedEvil just woke up.
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> Sorry.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> however the local composters are heated. they made a big point of it.
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[11:50] <SpeedEvil> Also, I don't consider that a non-family-friendly word in the context of actual human waste used in a context of waste handling. But Ok.
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> they go round the towns occasionalyl selling off bags of compost. I'm told it's good stuff too...
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> All municipal composters have to in principle be heated.
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[11:50] <SpeedEvil> Or verfied that they hit the heat on their own.
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> The problem with the municipal compost is that it does have stuff like bottletops in.
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> Well - a problem
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> I think we're not too bad here though - we have a separate bin for composting stuff, and boxes for other recyclables.
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes.
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[11:52] <SpeedEvil> But people get confused, and throw stuff in the wrong bin occasionally
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> things that irritate me are when people put cardboard boxes into them - which are allowed, but the boxes are either stapled together or covered in plastic tape..
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> my own composting bins end up with too much wood shavings from the chicken coop, so take a long time to rot down.
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[11:54] <SpeedEvil> They should rot quite fast - if they have the right amount of chicken output on them.
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> takes over a year. they're just small bins.
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> Get a few dozen more chickens, problem solved.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> and several more added!!!
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> right now they're outdoors about 18 hours of the day too.
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> right. new wiringPi pushed - added in support for drogon remote control (serial) to control remote ATmega/Arduino, etc. via serial.
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> so digitalWrite() on the Pi can write to a pin on the Arduino.
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> Serial via GPIO?
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> Yup.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> Or am I confused.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> er, GPIO via Serial.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> Err - what?
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> Oh - using the arduthingy as a port expander
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> digitalWrite (0,1); writes pin 0 on the Pi. If you add in an Arduino at a base of (e.g.) 123, then digitalWrite (123+13,1); lights up the LED on an Arduino.
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[12:09] <gordonDrogon> yes, serial base port expander.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> its something I wrote a long time back, but never properly integrated it into wiringPi.
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> Random question - is there any way to use wiringPi to do 50bps serial? The uart won't.
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> Other than bitbanging
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[12:11] <gordonDrogon> just bit-bang it. the timers will be accurate enough at that rate if you run the process at high priority.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> the next addition will be to use the interweb thing to extend wiringPi.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> so you can set a pin on a remote Pi anywhere in the world.
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> Fun.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> expect latency though :)
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> And do PWM on it?
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[12:16] <gordonDrogon> just wondering how secure to make it though...
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> Rot14
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Heh... software PWM via IP ... possibly on a LAN.
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> no, double rot13 to be sure!
[12:16] <Matrikular> cheers, how to automatically / periodically upload photos taken with the pi (fswebcam) to an ftp server?
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> ncftp can do that
[12:17] <tzarc> double rot13 and an xor with 0x00 for all bytes tbh
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> or wget, I think
[12:17] <Matrikular> like the name suggests
[12:17] <Matrikular> get != put
[12:18] <Matrikular> so, its not possible without installing any extensions / modules / plugins?
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> ncftp is what I'd use.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> actually, if you have a directory(s) full of stuff, then rsync is good these days.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> assuming you have shell access to the remote server.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> but if not, the nyou can configure ncftp to remember a username/password and off you go.
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I was thinking of curl - not wget
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> yea, curl is the new wget (but I still wget)
[12:20] <Matrikular> the username / password thngie was one part of my struggle
[12:21] <Matrikular> since i wasnt able to tell sftp to send the credentials in one turn
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[12:26] <zsentinel> hi, can the RCA port be used for INPUT?
[12:27] <zsentinel> basically i want to use a pi to make a cheap IP camera using a cheap surveillance camera (with rca out)
[12:27] <steve_rox> probly not ?
[12:27] <zsentinel> the only info i could find on the pi website about the port says its used for alternative display output
[12:27] <zsentinel> damn
[12:27] <zsentinel> would have been sweet
[12:29] <steve_rox> im just guessing at moment
[12:29] <steve_rox> is rca the yellow composite port?
[12:29] <ShiftPlusOne> definitely not
[12:30] <steve_rox> i did not think it could do such a thing
[12:30] <ShiftPlusOne> zsentinel, however, composite/s-video usb capture card things are really cheap on ebay
[12:31] <zsentinel> hmm thanks
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I use one to "connect" the C64 to the PC's monitor.
[12:31] <zsentinel> i will check that out
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[12:31] <zsentinel> ha nice
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne> works well enough https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/2013-06-05%2000.23.08.jpg
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[12:33] <[Saint]> maybe try a higher resolution next time.
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[12:33] <[Saint]> I could hardly see that image :P
[12:34] <zsentinel> oh man
[12:34] <zsentinel> nostalgia lol
[12:34] <zsentinel> i remember when my dad brought home one of those from someones trash lol
[12:34] <zsentinel> it was like christmas
[12:35] * [Saint] spots ShiftPlusOne apparently doesn't know about the "shoot up through the barriers" defence :)
[12:35] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[12:35] <steve_rox> i got some c64 around here somewheres
[12:36] <steve_rox> kinda fun to mess about with in the day
[12:37] <steve_rox> anyone powering their rpi off a batt?
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[12:39] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, I have in the past.
[12:39] <steve_rox> just wondering what kinda batt spec
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> big :)
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> Pi isn't the lowest powered device out there..
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I used 6 x AA's (needed 9v for the motors) and it lasted 2-3 hours, depending on how long I ran the motors for (little robot thing)
[12:40] <steve_rox> any idea on capacity ?
[12:40] <steve_rox> oh rights
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> if you budget 200-300 mA for the Pi @ 5v then you can roughtly work it out.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> use a good low-power regulator too - I just used a common 7805 which got rather hot.
[12:41] <steve_rox> i have a dc-dc converter down board no heat produced
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> I use these too: http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> but if you have a good little board, then do use it.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> You can also turn off the USB to save power too - no good if you're using LAN or wifi, etc. though.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> or use a model A.
[12:42] <steve_rox> i baught some suspitious 18650 batt cells off ebay few days ago, suspitious chinglish on it but ill see how long they last
[12:42] <steve_rox> +without blowing my face off
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> a-ha :)
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> hope they're not ultrafire ... http://www.torchythebatteryboy.com/p/dangers-of-ultrafire-18650-batteries.html
[12:43] <steve_rox> might not be too bad , who can telll
[12:43] <steve_rox> they are ;-) haha
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> oops...
[12:43] <steve_rox> kinda knew what i was getting into before i got em anyways
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> that's a good reference site...
[12:44] <steve_rox> i opened the charger they supplyed , kinda scary inside but it hasent exploded yet
[12:44] <TheSeven> it's fairly hard to get a pi below 300mA
[12:44] <TheSeven> 300-400 is more realistic, this stupid GPU eats a damn lot of power
[12:44] <steve_rox> my rpi has a few extra things attached like lcd and small fan
[12:45] <steve_rox> but i can toggle lcd off
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> yea, and you don't need the fan...
[12:45] <steve_rox> also has the rpi cam inside
[12:45] <TheSeven> steve_rox: btw, you can run the pi directly off a single 18650 cell with a little hack
[12:45] <steve_rox> the project box is air restricting
[12:45] <steve_rox> plus other components in box may not like the heat
[12:45] <TheSeven> at least as long as you don't need USB
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> it would be worth while using a teperature sensor of somesort and a mosfet to control the fan - if possible.
[12:46] <steve_rox> i havent tryed the cells on it yet
[12:46] <steve_rox> they seem to use the term protected on the cells , i assume thats why they cut out when i drew a bit much current on them
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[12:47] <steve_rox> something like that who knows
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> indeed - who knows.
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[12:49] <gordonDrogon> just check their voltage and don't let them get too low.
[12:49] <TheSeven> 18650 protection circuits typically disconnect at around 4-5A of current
[12:49] <steve_rox> ah i was shoveing like 12 IR led onto them
[12:49] <steve_rox> badly wired up in pararel
[12:50] <steve_rox> prob more than 12 now i think about it
[12:51] <steve_rox> they are my first 18650 cells , just wanted to see what i could do with em and potentially risking my life at the same time
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:53] <steve_rox> wonder if i got like 8 of them in parrel/series how long they could run a rpi
[12:53] <steve_rox> they are rated 3000mah but its most likely a lie
[12:53] <steve_rox> like the cake
[12:58] <steve_rox> i think im too sleepy to continue
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> sleep well :)
[13:17] <steve_rox> i shall try but its difficult :-P
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[13:21] <TheSeven> steve_rox: if you connect them directly to the pi's expansion header power input and add a low dropout regulator for the 3V rail (the on-board one is crap), the pi should work (with ethernet) down to about 3V cell voltage
[13:21] <TheSeven> so those batteries should last about 20 hours :)
[13:22] <steve_rox> i dont think they will be 3000mah
[13:22] <steve_rox> but ill give it a go when im awake maybe
[13:22] <ozzzy> depending on what regulator is on-board... if you run power into the regulator and Vin is higher than Vout you run the risk of toasting th reg
[13:23] <ozzzy> which is what could happen if you're powering 3.3v from the pin headers
[13:23] <steve_rox> i power it thu the standard usb line in to maintain some the voltage protection/filtering etc
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> and on a Rev 1 Pi it's worse as there are 2x 3.3v regulators feeding the 3.3v line...
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> currently experimenting with a board that has a nice little SMPS PSU for the Pi. sits nearly on-top and takes 7.5 to 18v input. runs pretty cool.
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> I think I'd still have stuck with my little 7805 replacement unit if it were my board, but hey..
[13:56] <Firehopper> got a link to the smps?
[13:57] <ozzzy> I use one of those lm2576 boards from ebay
[13:57] <ozzzy> they work great
[13:58] <ozzzy> http://goo.gl/LxkFGz
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> the chip used on this board is: SC4525C
[14:00] <Matt> 7.5?
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> it's surrounded by "stuff" to make it work - inductors, etc.
[14:01] <Matt> seems a fair drop for an SMPS
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> 7.5 to 5.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> not a big drop.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> it's good to 18v apparently. currently feeding it with 9v.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> I didn't design the circuit
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> it's on a little Pi add-on board I'm testing.
[14:06] <Matt> aye, it depends on design for sure :)
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> it's powering the Pi and 2 ATmegas.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> although one ATmega is only taking a new �A...
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> (I hope!)
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> as it runs off a battery when there's no mains.
[14:09] <ShorTie> that thing l00ks preaty c00l ozzzy, for 3 bucks
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> anyway - local stuff to do now- laters!
[14:10] <ozzzy> ShorTie: yep... I can't buy the components for that
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[14:10] <ShorTie> i hear that
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[14:18] <ShorTie> what is the difference between that and a buck converter ??
[14:18] <ShorTie> he's got buck converters for 1.75, http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-DC-DC-Buck-Converter-Step-Down-Module-LM2596-Power-Supply-Output-1-23V-30V-/251066005460?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a74b337d4
[14:20] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon, you're full of wisdom; if you had 100 dollars to spend on a new project that is fun for a beginner, what would you spend it on?
[14:21] <zsentinel> lol maybe i will use that dc-dc converter to make a crazy advanced e-cig mod from my pi
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[14:25] <Matt> I think gordonDrogon's run off to do thinkgin the real world
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[14:37] <Kane> hi o/
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[14:43] <cart_man> azeam_afk: Hey man pleaes let me know when your back
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[14:47] <azoos> Hi
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[14:50] <cart_man> azoos = azeam?
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[14:51] <azoos> Sure
[14:51] <cart_man> azoos: Do you know why my MPDroid wouldnt update my MPD playlist?
[14:51] <azoos> No idea, sorry
[14:53] <ShorTie> hmmm, from http://www.ti.com/product/LM2576 , it l00ks like the lm2596 is about the same, just more efficient
[14:53] <cart_man> azoos: Theres this option in the settings tab that says... "Update MPD's database" but I keep on getting 1 song from 1 album even though all of them are there
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[15:08] <cart_man> If I set up Ario to play music on localhost with a MPD should the settings looks like this ? Name:Default Host: localhost Port: 6600 Password: None ??
[15:08] <cart_man> if anybody out there knows please let me know
[15:08] <cart_man> thanks
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[15:32] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, yea, sorry - been in the real world for a bit ;-)
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, $100 - no idea really. one of the small robot bases and interface it to a Pi? All depends on your level of experience and your ultimate aim...
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[15:44] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Well that's the BBQ off. it's just rained )-:
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[16:07] <Matt> gordonDrogon: off from a scheduling perspective, or off as in the rain put it out? :)
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> scheduling.
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[16:08] <gordonDrogon> was just about to go out and fire it up when it started to rain. However its stopped now ...
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> but for how long
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[16:13] <davor> hello
[16:13] <davor> nerdboy, are you there?
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> ran again. no BBQ today )-:
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> *raid
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[17:29] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, do you know of any way to control the onboard LEDs on the Pi with WiringPi?
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[17:44] <Matrikular> i have some issues getting a logitech cam to work, as far as i can tell, the cam is recognized by the pi (fswebcam)
[17:44] <Matrikular> but im unable to take a picture "VIDIOC_DQBUF: No such device"
[17:45] <Matrikular> http://pastebin.com/XbjPc4uq
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[17:59] <ShorTie> is that in arch ??
[18:01] <Matrikular> sorry, debian squeeze, latest
[18:01] <Matrikular> on the model b first edition
[18:01] <ShorTie> ok, just wondering
[18:02] <Matrikular> ehh, give me a second
[18:02] <ShorTie> raspbian or squeeze ??
[18:03] <chithead> usb disconnect means that the device loses connection, maybe it uses too much current so the usb fuse trips
[18:03] <Matrikular> raspbian wheezy, sorry ... me and linux,...
[18:03] <chithead> try using a powered hub in between the pi and the webcam
[18:04] <Matrikular> makes sense, thx a lot
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[18:06] <ShorTie> i'm wondering if we need to make up persistant udev rules for such stuff
[18:06] <Matrikular> where to get an active usb hub on sunday afternoon, damnit
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[18:07] <ShorTie> so if it does disconnect, won't it atleast get the same info back ??
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[18:09] <Aivaras> My pi's temperature with no load is 54C. I have heatsink and acrilic case. Should I get rid of them?
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[18:10] <SpeedEvil> 54c is not a concern.
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> 74C might be
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[18:11] <SpeedEvil> The heatsink is unlikely to worsen things - unless in pathalogical circumstances.
[18:12] <Aivaras> This is what I was thinking, but people there yesterday said heatsinks are bad for pi's and I have no idea how :D
[18:12] <deosama> is it possible to get to the /home/pi/roms directory from a windows box? I can't find it on my SD card....
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[18:13] <Aivaras> sftp?
[18:13] <deosama> hmm?
[18:13] <Aivaras> ssh file transfare protocol
[18:14] <Aivaras> You can use windows software like Filezilla for that.
[18:14] <deosama> Is that how you have to do it?
[18:14] <deosama> I'm just trying to follow this guide: http://pimame.org/quickstart.html
[18:14] <deosama> and I can't locate that directory to put roms into it...
[18:14] <deosama> I have filezilla installed, but you have to sFTP to the SD card? That seems a little... odd
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> Aivaras: Due to the physical construction of the CPU - it's got RAM on top, and the top is poorly thermally connected to the bottom as well as mechanically not strong - I would not advocate putting a heatsink on it. Simply a small fan on the bottom of the board.
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> Aivaras: However - if you already have put the heatsink on it - removing it isn't going to help anything. You may want to drill some holes/slots in the case to allow airflow.
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[18:16] <Datalink> deosama, you could also try installing samba and configuring it to share the /home/pi/roms directory but that'll take a lot more work
[18:16] <Aivaras> SpeedEvil, damn I wish I had that GPU cooler with me now. :/
[18:16] <deosama> sure, that's fine.
[18:16] <deosama> I can just use filezilla
[18:16] <deosama> That's no problem.
[18:17] <Datalink> deosama, filezilla or WinSCP, sure
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> Aivaras, 54C however - is not a remotely concerning temperature for it to be at.
[18:17] <deosama> right
[18:17] <deosama> However, how do I "connect" to the SD card? I've only used FTP for connecting to IP addresses...
[18:18] <Aivaras> You want to connect to sd card without pi?
[18:19] <Aivaras> like sd to pc with card reader?
[18:19] <deosama> No, I have my SD card in my card reader in my laptop
[18:19] <deosama> I can access the files
[18:19] <Matrikular> mh, regarding the cam issue; the rpi cam module might be an even better bet, isnt it?
[18:19] <deosama> However, the guide I'm following (http://pimame.org/quickstart.html) tells me that I have to put rom files into the /home/pi/roms directory
[18:19] <Matrikular> though a bit of waste for a webcam?!
[18:19] <deosama> unfortunately, I cannot locate this directory to save my life.
[18:19] <davor> I'm having problems building OpenEmbedded, this is the error I'm getting: http://ix.io/6UD . apparently it's caused by a version mismatch and can be fixed by a simple rename in most cases, but how do I know what version to change the bbappend's name to?
[18:20] <Datalink> deosama, that's because it's on the second (EXT4) partition, which windows doesn't have support for
[18:20] <Aivaras> deosama, you sure that you can open / partition? Because I think you are opening /boot
[18:20] <deosama> ahh
[18:20] <Aivaras> since windows don't support ext fs
[18:20] <deosama> Yeah, I am opening /boot
[18:20] <deosama> Alright, now we're getting somewhere.
[18:20] <Datalink> yeah, that's the first partition, of 2
[18:20] <deosama> ok
[18:20] <deosama> Is it possible for windows to open this partition?
[18:20] <Aivaras> you need some software to open ext4 on windows
[18:20] <deosama> or do I have to use a linux box?
[18:21] <Datalink> it's easier to use a Linux box
[18:21] <deosama> ok
[18:21] <deosama> I'll do that
[18:21] <deosama> thanks.
[18:21] <Datalink> the stuff I've found for EXT is either expensive or dangerously undersupported
[18:21] <Aivaras> btw - the /boot is in FAT32 right?
[18:21] <Datalink> yes
[18:23] <Datalink> deosama, using the pi credentials, filezilla should be able to SFTP/SCP to the Pi while it's running and see the whole filesystem
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[18:23] <Datalink> it's the same as an SSH client only with a filemanager instead of a shell
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[18:24] <Datalink> (there's a bit more detail, but not too much)
[18:24] <Aivaras> my SD card is too fat to fit normaly in my laptops card reader :/ It should be standart or something :/
[18:25] <malcom2073> Aivaras: youre plugging the wrong thing into the wrong port.
[18:25] <malcom2073> they are standard.
[18:25] <Aivaras> malcom2073, yes. I am that stupid.
[18:26] <Aivaras> adata card fits nicely, but sandisk card gets stuck inside
[18:27] <Datalink> Aivaras, that could also be because the reader's an older MMC reader, SD cards are a bit thicker than MMC, though honestly if you're working with anything past 32 megabytes it should probably be an SD type card
[18:27] <malcom2073> youre the one who said it didnt fit :p
[18:28] <Aivaras> Datalink, but it seams to me that Sandisk card is thicker then adata :/
[18:30] <Datalink> Aivaras, that... would be a deviation from the MMC/SD SIG specifications :/
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> datagutt: 1G MMC were available
[18:33] <Aivaras> I had 32MB mmc with my Nokia 6230 (or 6230i) :D
[18:33] <Datalink> SpeedEvil, really? dang o.o
[18:34] <Aivaras> wiki says that there is 128GB mmc card :D
[18:35] <deosama> ok, so, I have some ROMS on the SD card now, however when I try to use the "Game Uploader" I get a "JavaScript: ERROR:Upload"
[18:35] <deosama> what's with this?
[18:35] <Aivaras> I would bet on bad JS code.
[18:35] <deosama> included with piMAME?
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, hi - you can control the OK/Act LED with wiringPi ...
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, unlikely you can control the others as they're part of the USB/Ethernet IO chip.
[18:36] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, oh awesome :D
[18:36] <Datalink> alright
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, do you have wiringPi installed?
[18:37] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, it's one of the standard items on my personal Pi
[18:37] <Datalink> basically yes
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> ok, do this: cd ~/wiringPi/examples ; make okLed
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> then sudo ./okLed
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> and look at the LED :)
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[18:39] <Datalink> I may have to update my WiringPi install...
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> okLed.c has been there for some time..
[18:40] <Datalink> datalink@spindrift ~/wiringPi/wiringPi/examples $ ls
[18:40] <Datalink> COPYING.LESSER delayTest.c gertboard gertboard.o lcd lcd.o nes nes.o piface.c README.TXT softPwm.c speed speed.o test1.c test2 test2.o wfi.c
[18:40] <Datalink> delayTest delayTest.o gertboard.c gertboard.png lcd.c Makefile nes.c piface piface.o softPwm softPwm.o speed.c test1 test1.o test2.c wfi wfi.o
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> capital L in-case you missed that...
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[18:40] <Datalink> I've probably had this Pi for sometime longer :P
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> ah. cd ~/wiringPi ; git pull ; ./build
[18:41] <atiti> anyones got some experience with h264 decode using OMX/ilclient?
[18:41] <Datalink> atiti, some, what's up?
[18:42] <atiti> I'm trying to decode into a buffer, and I believe i've set some stuff up, but it seem to be blocking at ilclient_get_output_buffer
[18:42] <atiti> and if i set it up not to block then it always returns null
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[18:43] <atiti> basically i setup the ports 130 and 131 for the video_decode component, enable port buffers, set the component execution state
[18:43] <Datalink> running as root? ports below 1024 are root only in Linux
[18:44] <atiti> get a buffer by doing ilclient_get_input_buffer(), fill it up with a NALU, then OMX_EmptyThisBuffer
[18:44] <atiti> ilclient_get_output_buffer(), and then OMX_FillThisBuffer()
[18:45] <Datalink> I am officially in over my head...
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[18:45] <atiti> :)
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[18:46] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, now my Ok button's stuck, how do I unstick it :P
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> Control-C
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> or do you mean how to put it back as the SD card activity LED?
[18:50] <Datalink> it was stuck on twice, third time I must have gotten it low enough in the cycle
[18:50] <Datalink> I do mean that, yeah
[18:50] <Datalink> I have this feeling it's gonna require restarting a service
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> echo mmc0 > /sys/class/leds/led0/trigger
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> returns it to normal (need to do as root)
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> echo none > /sys/class/leds/led0/trigger <- lets users programs use it.
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> it's BCM_GPIO pin 16, so gpio -g write 16 0 # On
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g write 16 1 # Off
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[18:53] <Datalink> ah okay, cool
[18:54] <Datalink> I might end up using this later for the messageboard Pi for the city
[18:54] <Datalink> sorta a 'script done, remove USB stick' light
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> enjoy :)
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> you can do it from the command-line with: echo none | sudo tee /sys/class/leds/led0/trigger
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> there is another way, but I've forgotten and I'm going to watch some catch-up TV with wifey now :)
[18:56] <Datalink> ok, enjoy, thans
[18:56] <Datalink> thanks
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[19:34] <zero_coder> hello
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> HELLO!!!!
[19:34] <ShorTie> olleh
[19:34] <zero_coder> SpeedEvil whats up ? :)
[19:34] <zero_coder> hi ShorTie
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> Very little.
[19:34] <ShorTie> mornin
[19:35] <zero_coder> what have u done with RPi? ;)
[19:36] <yggdrasil> whatsup guys
[19:37] <yggdrasil> looking for the dood that was working on the roomba
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[19:47] <ShorTie> these things l00k interesting
[19:47] <ShorTie> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-LM2596S-power-module-DC-DC-Buck-Converter-Step-Down-Module-/400358408922?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d373882da
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> evening.
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[20:26] <_aegis_> ShiftPlusOne: I just realized oolite is in the debian apt
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[20:29] <_aegis_> it goes ingame just fine on my pandora, does something weird/offscreen in the first couple of menus (pandora resolution is pretty small)
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[20:47] <zero_coder> hello
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[20:57] <Mosselman> hey guys. I have a question about a usb backup battery for my raspberry.
[20:58] <Mosselman> There are microusb batterypacks that charge through a cable, my idea is that when the power goes off the battery pack is used for power.
[20:58] <Mosselman> I know that some battery packs, when switching from power to battery they disconnect for a few milliseconds and thus cause the raspberry to shutdown.
[20:59] <Mosselman> Someone in here once told me of a type of tiny chip thingy that you can plug in (connect) between the battery and the raspberry that allows you to overcome those milliseconds. Any tips?
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[21:05] <dougiel> a capacitor?
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[21:08] <_aegis_> Mosselman: none of my battery packs have that problem
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[21:09] <Mosselman> _aegis_: what kind do you have?
[21:09] <_aegis_> like 5 or 6 different
[21:09] <Mosselman> I was looking in the el cheapo price range
[21:09] <Mosselman> on dealextreme :D
[21:09] <_aegis_> el cheapo might just always run juice through the battery
[21:09] <Mosselman> cool. do you happen to have a link?
[21:09] <Mosselman> then I can compare
[21:10] <Mosselman> _aegis_: what do you mean?
[21:12] <_aegis_> like a car.
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[21:27] <scarolan> Mosselman: I have one of the "New Trent" USB 12000mAh batteries; once it's on and delivering charge it doesn't care whether it is plugged in itself or not. The current will continue to flow to the RPi
[21:28] <Mosselman> scarolan: thanks
[21:28] <Mosselman> how long can it run on 12000mAh? seems like a lot
[21:28] <scarolan> What I'm trying to work out is how to charge the battery via solar, so that it can top up during the day, and keep the Rpi running all night, theoretically allowing it to run "off the grid" for weeks or months.
[21:29] <scarolan> Mosselman: I haven't tested it with the Pi but it provides many hours of charge on my cell phone...i can make it through 10-12 hour plane rides playing games, watching movies, etc. I suspect that a raspberry pi would last a really long time with such a battery. I will test it this week and find out.
[21:29] <scarolan> hilight "scarolan"
[21:31] <Mosselman> scarolan: thanks, sounds good. I am interested in finding out.
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[21:36] <_aegis_> scarolan: Mosselman quick math/google says at least 20 hours?
[21:36] <Mosselman> _aegis_: sounds good right
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[21:37] <Mosselman> Oh another thing. the other day I was recording a webcam stream to the raspberry, but it was incredibly choppy. Could this have to do with the fact that I have a class 4 SD in it or is it because of the rest of the hardware not being able to write webcam through ffmpeg?
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[21:39] <scarolan> _aegis_: NICE. Now I just need to find a solar panel big enough to charge up 20 hours worth of juice with 5-6 hours sunlight.
[21:39] <Mosselman> scarolan: perpetual motion device
[21:39] <Mosselman> :P
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[21:41] <ShorTie> lol
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[21:41] <scarolan> Mosselman: Yes, I want to build a semi-rugged device that could be mounted on a pole or south-facing wall. The possibilities for something like this are mesh network, weather station, gather environmental data, monitoring a garden or field of plants, etc.
[21:42] <Mosselman> scarolan: cool!
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[21:42] <Mosselman> add 3g and you don't need wifi anymore
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[21:45] <scarolan> Mosselman: yes, i like that idea.
[21:45] <_aegis_> scarolan: 12Ah * 5v = 60w / 6 = 10w solar panel?
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[21:47] <scarolan> _aegis_: nice...looks like these have come down in price and are not too huge. This could be do-able. The only thing i'd need to work out is how to ensure consistent power goes to the Rpi. Currently the battery requires you to turn it on to start delivering current. I suppose i could try a different model that just supplies current anytime a usb device is plugged in...
[21:50] <_aegis_> maybe you could open it and rig that up on the existing hardware
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[21:57] <SpeedEvil> Scar3cr0w, Depending where you are, the panels required may be large if you want it 24*7
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> Scar3cr0w, For example, here (scotland) - it's about a 250W panel to keep it up 24*7 - for a 2.5W load
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[22:34] <scarolan> SpeedEvil: That's because you have no sun...hehe
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[22:45] <MachinaeWolf> hmm here's an issue, I made an account for my siblings on the pi, but they are linux noobs and I don't want them accidentally messing up the system so they don't have sudo group. So the issue is how do I have ssh started, if they login first ssh isn't started since they don't have the sudo group...?
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[22:47] <Mogwai> MachinaeWolf: ssh is started at boot, so your siblings should be able to login through ssh just fine
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[22:48] <nid0> ssh running isnt connected to any specific user account
[22:48] <MachinaeWolf> hmm well it wasn't running when they logged on...
[22:48] <nid0> how did they login
[22:48] <MachinaeWolf> I tried ssh-ing and it wasn't up
[22:49] <MachinaeWolf> login: siblings password: blahblahblah then startx
[22:49] <MachinaeWolf> ^ an example of course but yeah
[22:49] <nid0> via a local console and ssh just times out?
[22:49] <nid0> if so all that means is ssh hasnt been enabled to start on boot
[22:49] <MachinaeWolf> no on the machine locally they logged in
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[22:50] <nid0> so you just need to set it to start on boot.
[22:50] <MachinaeWolf> well I had told it to enable ssh on startup but so far raspi-config must handle things horribly
[22:50] <MachinaeWolf> So is there a manual way of doing this w/o the raspi-config?
[22:50] <MachinaeWolf> Cause it might work out better in my experience...
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[22:52] <nid0> raspi-config sets ssh enabled/disabled just fine, you can set it manually by just running update-rc.d ssh defaults
[22:53] <netnomad> Ok, here is my question and I'd appreciate it if we kept the laughter to a minimum (hat tip to Armageddon there). I had a RASPBMC setup I was toying with. The card sat on my shelf for a while. I tried to boot it today to FTP the media off of it, and all I get is the red light.
[22:53] <nid0> its worth noting that ssh does start on boot by default on raspbian so if it isnt currently doing so, you have specifically disabled it
[22:54] <nid0> netnomad: when you first power up the pi, do you get the green light very briefly flash on and off?
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[22:54] <scarolan> netnomad: You might be out of luck. If you have a linux or OSX box (or knoppix CD) you can boot it up and mount the image to check it
[22:54] <MachinaeWolf> k I'll try the update-rc.d
[22:54] <netnomad> I will remove the power and reapply it and report.
[22:54] <netnomad> No. No green light.
[22:54] <nid0> its probably a power issue then, you'll need a more suitable power adapter
[22:55] <netnomad> And I'm using an iPad charger as a USB power source, so there should be enough juice to launch the thing into orbit.
[22:55] <MachinaeWolf> nid0: update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
[22:55] <MachinaeWolf> update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match ssh Default-Stop values (none)
[22:55] <nid0> if the green light doesnt even flash on and off and you literally just have a solid red light and nothing else at all that basically means it isnt even trying to boot
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[22:56] <netnomad> Here's a question. (Laughter disclaimer applies again.) I stuck the SD into my SD reader "just for giggles" to see if could get at the data and couldn't. Would doing that have fubar'd the card?
[22:56] <nid0> no, and its not a card problem
[22:56] <netnomad> (At least until i rewrite it.)
[22:57] <nid0> the reason I asked for the light is because normally the green light will flash on and off just after power is applied
[22:57] <nid0> that is the pi trying to read the card
[22:57] <nid0> so with a fubar card, you'll have a red solid light and the green light will flash (trying to read the card and boot) and then just go back to solid red (failing to read it or boot)
[22:57] <MachinaeWolf> Was that a normal error nid0?
[22:58] <nid0> no green flash at all means not even trying to read the card, means broke pi or insufficient power
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[22:58] <netnomad> I appreciate your wisdom and patience, nid0.
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[22:58] <nid0> MachinaeWolf: probably - restart the pi and see if sshd comes up
[22:59] <MachinaeWolf> k after my brother's done using it :D
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[23:02] <MachinaeWolf> nid0: nope keeps saying no route to host :/
[23:02] <MachinaeWolf> darn thing
[23:03] <nid0> er
[23:03] <nid0> well that isnt an sshd problem
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[23:03] <nid0> thats your network needs fixing
[23:03] <MachinaeWolf> oh?
[23:03] <MachinaeWolf> well let me login on the machine itself locally and run service ssh status and see if it's even doing that...
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[23:06] <MachinaeWolf> k it is indeed running, I see what's happening, I set it to a static ip but it keeps moving up on the list
[23:06] <MachinaeWolf> that's what's going on
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[23:08] <MachinaeWolf> I'd set it to use a static ip on wicd-gtk and wicd-curses does the same
[23:08] * netnomad sighs. I'm at the point of hooking this thing up to 220 if I can't get the damn light on. lol. </sarcasm>
[23:10] <nid0> do you have any usb devices connected to it?
[23:12] <netnomad> Not at the present time.
[23:12] <netnomad> And upon close examination, the green light is DIM.
[23:13] <netnomad> But I'm using the power sources that have worked before.
[23:15] <netnomad> The iGO I use to charge my iPad puts out > 2.0 amps. Power should not be an issue.
[23:16] <scarolan> netnomad: I think your card is fried, bro.
[23:16] <scarolan> it happens
[23:18] <netnomad> really couldn't care less about the card. But I don't (think I) have the data on the SD backed up anywhere else.
[23:19] <netnomad> Buddy who gave it to me has about 8 more, I think. I may ask him for a loaner to test your theory, scarolan.
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[23:21] <netnomad> You say OSX will be able to read the data partition?
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[23:24] <scarolan> netnomad: that's a definite *maybe*
[23:25] <scarolan> at the very least you'll know if it's readable
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[23:26] <netnomad> Welp... I will try it with his Pi, see if I can read it and FTP the data that way. If that plan fails, we will plug the card into his Mac and do a rain dance. I sincerely thank you for your helpfulness.
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[23:28] <scarolan> if you have a card reader pop it into your OSX laptop/desktop and see what you get
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[23:34] <mumixam> how do you use the pi as a card reader itself?
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[23:38] <mumixam> i seen someone mention it works but no details
[23:39] <mumixam> looking at the schematics i see that the micro usb only utilizes the grnd and +5v
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[23:39] <scarolan> mumixam: You can't, at least not that i'm aware of. maybe you could boot off USB and and then read the card?
[23:39] <mumixam> you cant boot from usb from what ive seen
[23:39] <mumixam> the bootloader has to be on the sd card
[23:40] <mumixam> just wondering if anyone has tried it
[23:40] <scarolan> so maybe (not sure if this is possible today) you could boot to a ramdisk, then remove the card
[23:40] <atouk> boot from sd, make usb /root, dsimount sd and then mount new sd
[23:40] <scarolan> this is possible with knoppix, to free up the cd rom
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[23:40] <mumixam> only reason i bring this up is for people that dont have a sd card reader
[23:40] <mumixam> luckly i had a laptop that has it built in
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[23:41] <mumixam> heres the thread i seen
[23:41] <mumixam> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=28918
[23:42] <mumixam> sadly im sure its more common for someone to have a sd card reader than a "usb a male" to "usb a male" cable
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[23:48] <SpeedEvil> I don't think that's going to work.
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> You can't do USB host at all on the model B
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> Err
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> USB device
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[23:48] <SpeedEvil> You can I think on the model A - or if you modify the B to expose the pins
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[23:53] <mgottschlag> you could bitbang the usb protocol on the model B :D
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> Well....
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> In principle - over GPIO for maybe 1.5 megabits.
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[23:54] <SpeedEvil> You might - with a really fast following wind get 12.
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[23:54] <SpeedEvil> Which - for a SD reader isn't really ideal.
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[23:58] <benmachine> hi, I just downloaded NOOBS_v1_2_1.zip and while unpacking it got a couple of CRC errors, should I be worried or is that normal?
[23:58] <mumixam> benmachine: check the sha1
[23:58] <benmachine> mumixam: oh, good point
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[23:58] <mumixam> what os on are you
[23:59] <mumixam> SHA-1 bdb61930b077dcefd22b36caaa9698bdf76b290d
[23:59] <mumixam> its easy as pi on linux just 'sha1sum NOOBS_v1_2_1.zip'
[23:59] <benmachine> yeah, I found it, waiting for sha1sum to work
[23:59] <ShorTie> re download
[23:59] <benmachine> ShorTie: but it takes aaages :(

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