#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-07-30

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:15] <BCMM> is the crackle when audio starts and stops supposed to be gone in current firmware releases?
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[0:42] <CeilingKitten> BCMM, i'm not sure i havent used audio lately it was really bad for a while there, but i never had it in the beginning so i hope they fix it, i seen a comment about turning on pulse audio so it doesnt stop, it plays nothing but it keeps running, it was sort of a hack fix. lots of people talking about USB sound cards too. Maybe someone with more knowledge knows
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[0:43] <BCMM> CeilingKitten: it's ok, i was just looking at apt-get wrong cause it's late
[0:43] <BCMM> and thought there wasn't and update
[0:43] <BCMM> now i'm fully apt-get upgraded, crackle is gone with no need for pulse
[0:44] <BCMM> s/and update/a relevant update/
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[0:57] <BlakDrgn> o..o
[0:58] <BlakDrgn> anyone here have any experience using usb_modeswitch?
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[1:06] <pronto> https://twitter.com/TheLockheed/status/361937308796207104 neat, for DCTV (defcon tv stream to rooms) they're using raspberry pi's
[1:08] <BlakDrgn> I like how they arent using the usb power port
[1:08] <BlakDrgn> man I almost broke mine the other day.
[1:08] <BlakDrgn> allready trashed the sd slot.
[1:08] <BlakDrgn> :/
[1:09] <BlakDrgn> go go gadget hot air reworking station.
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[1:10] <BlakDrgn> also, adarifruits micro pci adapter is full of win.
[1:11] * Firehopper likes rgb led strips :)
[1:11] <Firehopper> new favorite toy :)
[1:11] <BlakDrgn> oh hey Firehopper
[1:11] * ozzzy likes blinky leds
[1:11] <BlakDrgn> XD
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[1:12] * IT_Sean ordered the adafruit RGB backlit character LCD module. It shipped today
[1:12] <BlakDrgn> I'm -trying- to get usb_modeswitch to work with a pantech verizon hot spot.
[1:12] <BlakDrgn> damn thing shows up as a cdrom
[1:13] <BlakDrgn> and uses windows drivers to modeswitch it to several other devices once insitalled
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[1:13] <Firehopper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsK0-mCYOg4 the leds I'm messin wif :)
[1:13] <BlakDrgn> also
[1:13] <Firehopper> I just ordered a second foot.. I'm gonna get several more feet of it :)
[1:13] <BlakDrgn> furries with raspberries
[1:13] * BlakDrgn nips at Firehopper
[1:14] <BlakDrgn> :D
[1:14] <BlakDrgn> dragons at that.
[1:14] * Firehopper laughs and has one
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[1:15] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8571797873/ < my Pi plate :)
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[1:16] <Firehopper> O
[1:16] <BlakDrgn> http://twitpic.com/d23mcj
[1:16] <IT_Sean> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1110 <-- should be fun
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[1:16] <Firehopper> I'm also gonna mess with a udoo BlakDrgn, its like a dual or quadcore raspberry pi + arduino due all one one board :)
[1:17] <BlakDrgn> huh
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[1:17] <BlakDrgn> I'd liketa get onea those lcd's and use it as a HUD for data usage.
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[1:18] <IT_Sean> Go for it!
[1:18] <BlakDrgn> since verizon is retarded with their display
[1:18] <BlakDrgn> "oh youve used 13.8 gig of your 14
[1:18] <BlakDrgn> you get the bill
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[1:19] <BlakDrgn> because anythingt he unit displays, is "estimated"
[1:20] * IT_Sean caughs *unlimited data*
[1:20] <BlakDrgn> yeah
[1:20] <BlakDrgn> what carrier
[1:21] * MichaelC1 is now known as MichaelC
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> definately isnt verizon.
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> as you can see in the pic, I drive a semitruck
[1:21] <IT_Sean> Me? I'm with T-Mo. I get unlimited talk text & web w/ tethering
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> verizon has the best speed, etc.
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> yeah
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> you dont go to bfe areas like I do.
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> I have tmo.
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> for my phone
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> and yes
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> you have unlimited
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> to 10 gig
[1:21] <BlakDrgn> then it throttles to 56k speeds.
[1:22] <BlakDrgn> :p
[1:22] <IT_Sean> Actually, the throttled speed isn't quite as bad as 56k :p
[1:22] <BlakDrgn> its still painful.
[1:22] <IT_Sean> It's slow, but still quite usable, actually.
[1:22] <BlakDrgn> my problem, is tmobile is neglecting their outerlying areas.
[1:22] <IT_Sean> Right
[1:22] <BlakDrgn> they have so many towers that are still G
[1:23] <BlakDrgn> which is un usable for data now a days.
[1:23] <BlakDrgn> I was in the woods of Montana.
[1:23] <BlakDrgn> millde of effing no whewre
[1:23] <BlakDrgn> had 4g lte
[1:23] <IT_Sean> Nice
[1:23] <IT_Sean> What does Vzn charge you for that luxury?
[1:23] <BlakDrgn> and 20meg connection
[1:23] <BlakDrgn> up and down.
[1:24] <BlakDrgn> for 14 gig a month its 80 bux
[1:24] <BlakDrgn> but
[1:24] <IT_Sean> EEP!
[1:24] <BlakDrgn> I get 20% off cause of the comany I run for.
[1:24] <IT_Sean> Ah.
[1:24] <BlakDrgn> yeah
[1:24] * IT_Sean pays $50 a mo, fully reembursed by The Company
[1:24] <BlakDrgn> no trust me, I have 3 phones with tmobile, unlimited everything
[1:24] <BlakDrgn> for 130 a month.
[1:25] <BlakDrgn> and the way I saw it, for the 50 a month extra I paid for the 10 gig plan on tmo.
[1:25] <BlakDrgn> I'll spend a extra 30 for verizons speed.
[1:25] <BlakDrgn> but for the life of me I needa get this usb_modeswitch to work
[1:26] <BlakDrgn> I have a ticket open with pantech to see if they'll add a option in the gui to disable Zero CD
[1:26] <BlakDrgn> or give me the info to make it work with debian/arm
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[1:27] <BlakDrgn> that linksys setup with the pi I linked earlier, I dont use the antennas on the wrt54g
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[1:27] <BlakDrgn> I have a pair of 13dB gain omnis on the corners of my trucks visor for it.
[1:27] <BlakDrgn> XD
[1:27] <BlakDrgn> and my SSID?
[1:27] <BlakDrgn> uh what is it atm
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[1:27] <BlakDrgn> oh
[1:27] <BlakDrgn> I lick under my toilet seat
[1:28] <BlakDrgn> :D
[1:29] <chod> hmmm salty
[1:29] <IT_Sean> um
[1:29] <IT_Sean> ew.
[1:29] <IT_Sean> also... ew.
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[1:34] <BlakDrgn> it useda be "I sniff my sisters panties"
[1:34] <BlakDrgn> (I dont have a sister)
[1:34] <BlakDrgn> sickos.
[1:34] <BlakDrgn> :p
[1:34] <IT_Sean> that's starting to become innaproperate for #raspberrypi
[1:34] <BlakDrgn> it makes for convo over the cb radio at truck stops
[1:34] <BlakDrgn> XD
[1:34] <BlakDrgn> ha
[1:34] <BlakDrgn> kk
[1:34] <IT_Sean> Try to keep it family friendly, as per channel policy
[1:35] <BlakDrgn> I see
[1:35] <BlakDrgn> what can I say
[1:35] <BlakDrgn> im a black dragon
[1:35] <BlakDrgn> hence
[1:35] <BlakDrgn> evil.
[1:35] <BlakDrgn> *nod*
[1:35] <Firehopper> O_o
[1:35] <BlakDrgn> what!
[1:35] <Firehopper> ooookay, I'm a go over there..
[1:35] <IT_Sean> heh
[1:35] <BlakDrgn> hahah
[1:36] <BlakDrgn> ive know Firehopper for god
[1:36] <BlakDrgn> years now
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[1:37] <Firehopper> and your still a brat :>
[1:38] <BlakDrgn> yup
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[1:42] <Firehopper> :>
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[1:54] <pksato> you psu is ok, rpi draw lots current? http://www.buyincoins.com/item/34684.html
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[2:49] <eggy> So.. Any camera module cases yet?r
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[2:56] <Aivaras> how long camera cable is?
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[3:49] <\\Mr_C\\> aivaras its 6 inches
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[3:49] <\\Mr_C\\> the default
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[3:51] <Aivaras> Talk SI to me. :/
[3:53] <\\Mr_C\\> huh?
[3:53] <\\Mr_C\\> SI?
[3:53] <Aivaras> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units
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[3:56] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[3:56] <\\Mr_C\\> 6 Inches = 15.24 Centimeters
[3:57] <Aivaras> googled that, but thanks :)
[3:57] <\\Mr_C\\> i ordered a longer one, we will see if it works
[3:57] <\\Mr_C\\> ordered the mini camera module stand too
[3:58] <Aivaras> I would need one with like 2m-3m cable
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[3:58] <\\Mr_C\\> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321171072579
[3:59] <Aivaras> oh it's standart cable - thanks :)
[3:59] <PipeDale> has there been any solar power equipment released for the Pi yet? :P
[3:59] <\\Mr_C\\> not so standard
[3:59] <\\Mr_C\\> ive tried 3 different ones
[4:00] <\\Mr_C\\> the pitch
[4:00] <\\Mr_C\\> is the problem
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[4:01] <\\Mr_C\\> i contated a few different people who sell cables, and this guy in malaysa i talked to said it may work
[4:01] <\\Mr_C\\> but i hope the pitch is right
[4:01] <\\Mr_C\\> contacted
[4:01] <\\Mr_C\\> and something about inverted cable
[4:01] <Aivaras> oh well :/
[4:01] <Aivaras> Let's try then.
[4:01] <\\Mr_C\\> mine should be here this week
[4:02] <\\Mr_C\\> i can let you know if it works
[4:02] <Aivaras> ordered for myself.
[4:02] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[4:02] <Aivaras> but thanks again.
[4:02] <\\Mr_C\\> get the stand too then
[4:02] <\\Mr_C\\> 4.95
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[4:02] <\\Mr_C\\> dollars
[4:02] <Aivaras> I have 3d printed one :)
[4:02] <\\Mr_C\\> from where?
[4:02] <Aivaras> university :D
[4:03] <\\Mr_C\\> does it have the screws and extra bolt hole on the bottom to put it on a tripod?
[4:03] <Aivaras> No, its adaptor to standar home alarm case :)
[4:04] <\\Mr_C\\> photo?
[4:04] <Aivaras> I'm not at home now, but think I have 3d sketch somewhere.
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[4:07] <\\Mr_C\\> ok
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[4:07] <Aivaras> can't find it too. :/ Imagine just home alarm motion sensor with a hole :D
[4:08] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[4:08] <\\Mr_C\\> blah
[4:08] <\\Mr_C\\> hard to do
[4:08] <\\Mr_C\\> there are so many
[4:09] <Aivaras> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Analog-Element-Detector-Motion-Sensor/dp/B004U865DE/ref=sr_1_47?ie=UTF8&qid=1375150134&sr=8-47&keywords=PIR+Motion+Sensor+Detector
[4:10] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[4:10] <\\Mr_C\\> i was thinking of those little pir's that you can get on ad afruit
[4:10] <Aivaras> No, I just took a standart one. I have plenty of them left.
[4:12] <Aivaras> wait, all they have is just a sensors it self. No case.
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[4:12] <Aivaras> http://www.adafruit.com/products/189
[4:13] <\\Mr_C\\> those are only like 2 or 3 dollars on ebay
[4:13] <\\Mr_C\\> the mount is
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[4:13] <\\Mr_C\\> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1434
[4:13] <\\Mr_C\\> thats the one i ordered
[4:13] <Aivaras> oh looks neat
[4:14] <\\Mr_C\\> yea, some company in the uk made them, but the ebay ones they want to mouch
[4:14] <\\Mr_C\\> and now adafruit got them, so i got mine from there
[4:15] <\\Mr_C\\> and uk wanted to much for the long cable
[4:15] <\\Mr_C\\> so i searched for weeks and found the guy in malaysa with cheaper price for a longer cable
[4:16] <Aivaras> lol :D
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[4:17] <Aivaras> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-Flood-Light-10W-20W-30W-50W-PIR-Classic-RGB-IP65-SMD-Light-With-Warranty-/330862079977?pt=UK_Garden_Lighting&var=&hash=item4d08eaafe9 how aweasome is that? 50W led + PIR for 9 pounds? :D
[4:17] <\\Mr_C\\> i got screwed at the used car lot in the uk on xome xbox stuff, so i wont buy from uk anymore
[4:18] <\\Mr_C\\> xome=some
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[4:19] <Aivaras> Ok, see you next time, I am gooing to sleep - it's 3AM in UK.
[4:19] <\\Mr_C\\> https://www.facebook.com/360Parts
[4:19] <\\Mr_C\\> this guy ganked me
[4:19] <\\Mr_C\\> and now his web site is down
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[4:19] <\\Mr_C\\> http://360parts.co.uk/
[4:21] <\\Mr_C\\> wish i knew someone from the uk
[4:21] <\\Mr_C\\> to go collect my loot from his ass
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[4:27] <steve_rox> charming
[4:31] <\\Mr_C\\> http://www.buyincoins.com/item/34684.html
[4:32] <Hydroxygen> very nice
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[4:42] <djshotglass> http://imgur.com/SsKSrqe
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[4:42] <djshotglass> how is my pi powered
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[4:43] <djshotglass> poe? or does this piece of crap usb hub back power
[4:46] <Hydroxygen> if pins 1(-) and 4(+) of the usb are used..it is
[4:46] <\\Mr_C\\> cool
[4:46] <\\Mr_C\\> i have an alfa too
[4:47] <\\Mr_C\\> i have the 2000mw version
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[4:53] <mumixam> nearly the same power draw as the pi itself ;p
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[4:57] <\\Mr_C\\> yea
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[4:57] <\\Mr_C\\> works great with a parabolic grid antenna
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[5:01] <djshotglass> ?
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[5:04] <PipeDale> O_o
[5:04] <PipeDale> how hot can the Pi get?
[5:04] <PipeDale> before it dies
[5:05] <PipeDale> 32.6'C cool enough?
[5:05] <pksato> 85C are warrant limit.
[5:06] <pksato> but, most chip realy damange over 125C.
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[5:09] <Hydroxygen> mine run @ 66�C all day +/- 2 or 3..after warmup
[5:09] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/templog.php my runs around 54c no issues
[5:09] <Hydroxygen> PipeDale: using a fan ?
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[5:10] <PipeDale> Hydroxygen: yeah
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[5:12] <hydroxygen1> dang 24hr reset
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[5:22] <PipeDale> :/
[5:22] <PipeDale> 24hr reset?
[5:24] <Hydroxygen> yes i rent ip, it resets every 24hrs
[5:25] <PipeDale> you rent ip at home?
[5:25] <Hydroxygen> its wireless
[5:26] <PipeDale> oh
[5:27] <Hydroxygen> if u answered about a fan i missed it..
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[5:33] <PipeDale> Hydroxygen: yeah i have a small fan on it
[5:35] <Hydroxygen> are you overclocking it ? or just being safe
[5:35] <PipeDale> it's chucked in a warm room
[5:35] <PipeDale> that get's a lot of sun, and very little air
[5:37] <\\Mr_C\\> hmm
[5:37] <\\Mr_C\\> i thought the pi couldnt overheat
[5:37] <Hydroxygen> perfect.. i saw a pi running 1ghz overclocked @84�C ..but dont know how long it would last.the guy was selling fans
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[5:38] <PipeDale> I've like 4 systems in that room too
[5:38] <PipeDale> so you can imagine how hot that room is.... :)
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[5:39] <PipeDale> nice in the winter though. Not that i ever go in there it's just a spare room with all sorts of computer gear on the floor
[5:41] <Hydroxygen> pi will run very cold..someone was freezing a pi here one time..it went well until like -120�C
[5:41] <Hydroxygen> think they were thinking about running it in space
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[5:42] <Hydroxygen> cant hurt to run it cool..especially when the room can run hot
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[5:43] <PipeDale> 30c at present in the room
[5:43] <PipeDale> Pi runs at 32/33
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[5:50] <JakeSays> 'sup y'all
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[5:55] <nerdboy> hei
[5:56] <Ange1o> yo
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[6:06] <JakeSays> got a stepper driver in teh mail today
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[6:16] <Datalink> has anyone here worked with iptables?
[6:16] <Datalink> JakeSays, nice
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[6:22] <mumixam> Datalink: yes
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[6:23] <mumixam> well ive worked with them alot on x86 linux boxes never on a pi
[6:23] <mumixam> i assume its the same but maybe lacking a few extra modules
[6:24] <Datalink> ehe, this is actually on my server
[6:25] <Datalink> it keeps dropping a telnet based system I use for talking with friends and I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to prevent the connection from dropping with IPtables
[6:25] <mumixam> send keep alives?
[6:26] <Datalink> yeah, that kinda works, some MUD clients don't have a keepalive system that works o.X
[6:26] <Datalink> namely ones for Android devices
[6:27] <mumixam> get the server to send keep alives to the clients?
[6:27] <Datalink> maybe
[6:28] <mumixam> why do you think the server is closing the connection
[6:28] <mumixam> i would think more likely your wisp's nat device closes idle connections
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[6:28] <Datalink> because the alternative is that every consumer grade router is... and cellular networks, and corporate networks
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[6:29] <mumixam> ive had timeouts with ssh idle in the past and its always been the nat router at fault
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[6:31] <mumixam> ~$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time
[6:31] <mumixam> 7200
[6:31] <mumixam> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-increasing-or-decreasing-tcp-sockets-timeouts.html
[6:32] <mumixam> try tweaking that some
[6:33] <mumixam> sounds like it wont work unless your telnet server sets up the socket to make use of the system tcp keepalives
[6:34] <Datalink> hm, okay
[6:35] <Datalink> it's worth setting at least
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[6:39] <Datalink> set it, we'll see how it goes
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[6:40] <devslash> is there a way to wirelessly share my Pi's screen so I can access it at home via a web browser
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[6:41] <Datalink> devslash, uh, xming (in Windows) and x11 port forwarding
[6:41] <mumixam> umm x11vnc maybe?
[6:41] <devslash> well
[6:41] <devslash> I dont have X installed. I run a headless server
[6:42] <mumixam> so you want the framebuffer?
[6:42] <devslash> yea
[6:42] <devslash> the terminal display to be mirrored
[6:43] <devslash> ultimately I want to access it on my tv
[6:43] <devslash> I think that it would have to be in a browser
[6:43] <Datalink> http://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-devices.html ffmpeg can capture from /dev/fb0 but it will be a bit slow, additionally you'd have to work out programming to send keyboard and mouse events through the web server to that framebuffer
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[6:44] <devslash> i would have no clue how to do that
[6:45] <mumixam> run screen at boot and attach from a ssh client?
[6:45] <devslash> i can already access it via ssh
[6:45] <devslash> on my computer using an ssh client
[6:45] <mumixam> but you want access to the session thats on screen?
[6:46] <devslash> yea
[6:46] <devslash> mirrored to my tv
[6:46] <mumixam> well you could run 'screen' on the pi and then dual attach to the session from ssh
[6:47] <mumixam> and your ssh session would be the same terminal as on the hdmi output
[6:47] <devslash> but my browser is not an ssh client
[6:47] <Datalink> is there a specific reason you need the framebuffer shared?
[6:48] <devslash> yea
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[6:48] <mumixam> well there are java ssh clients that would run inside a browser
[6:48] <devslash> do you know of any that support public key authentication ?
[6:49] <Datalink> there's ajaxterm, which is kinda like an SSH client, but I would only set that up if it's not on the public facing web ports
[6:49] <Datalink> ajaxterm's an ajax based VT
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[6:49] <Datalink> I forget if it has encryption, but I think it relies on underlying web server for that only
[6:50] <Datalink> Linode uses it for their system shell
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[6:52] <PipeDale> O_o
[6:52] <Scar3cr0w> you can setup https for it yes
[6:52] <PipeDale> i have lag locally
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[6:55] <PipeDale> anyone running Gentoo on the raspberry? :)
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[6:56] <Scar3cr0w> saw an image of it somewhere, so I know it can be done, but I'm not that brave
[6:56] <devslash> anyone here use arch linux on their pi
[6:57] <Scar3cr0w> that I've done yes
[6:57] <PipeDale> Arch runs fine :)
[6:57] <PipeDale> Scar3cr0w: if you come over the image highlight me then link? :D
[6:58] <devslash> arch seems to be taking up a lot of space
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[6:59] <Scar3cr0w> or you can build your own :) http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
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[7:01] <Scar3cr0w> but really your pi will probably be spending all it's time building and re-building packages, you'll probably be better off using rasbian or arch with hard float
[7:02] <PipeDale> Scar3cr0w: that's true :)
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[7:02] <PipeDale> plus Arch Linux is prolly easier to configure radvd
[7:02] <Scar3cr0w> unless your building a standalone device, in which case you can make a pretty damn small install using gentoo
[7:03] <Scar3cr0w> most likely yea
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[7:06] <PipeDale> it's like Freebsd/NetBSD
[7:06] <PipeDale> it'll be pointless on raspberry
[7:08] <Scar3cr0w> Yea without arm's hard float support, there's really no comparing the performance
[7:08] <PipeDale> Would take a long time to compile stuff.
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[7:10] <PipeDale> tempted to overclock mine
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[7:11] <PipeDale> not really looked into it
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[7:20] <PipeDale> what the hell
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[7:21] <PipeDale> it's only saying i've got 374mb
[7:21] <PipeDale> memory
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[7:22] <PipeDale> That's well messed up
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[7:23] <johnc-> some is shared with the gpu
[7:24] <PipeDale> shouldn't be
[7:24] <PipeDale> it was set at 16
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[7:28] <PipeDale> weird, it had startx
[7:28] <PipeDale> in config
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[7:41] <devslash> what window manager do you guys use ?
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[7:49] <devslash> is anyone here ?
[7:50] <mumixam> on pi or what
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[7:50] <devslash> no on a dell
[7:50] <devslash> of course on a pi
[7:50] <devslash> :)
[7:51] <mumixam> well on my dell
[7:51] <mumixam> im just using lxdm
[7:51] <mumixam> which is rasbian default
[7:52] <devslash> im using arch
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[7:56] <devslash> hmm weird..
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[7:58] <devslash> i did pacman -Syu and got this error message: http://pastebin.com/ZYfMPUKi
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[8:28] <devslash> is anyone here
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[9:17] <devslash> is anyone here
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[9:21] <ProfOak_> maybe
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[9:24] <ProfOak_> I don't have a pi yet but I'm considering getting one to set up a small XMPP server for a few of my friends and I to use. Anyone have recommendations on a setup that works well or does it not matter?
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[9:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ProfOak_, depends on what you're using it for.
[9:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Generally, nginx is recommended over apache.
[9:27] <devslash> has anyone managed to get X forwarding working over ssh ?
[9:27] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[9:28] <devslash> ok i need help
[9:28] <ShiftPlusOne> many people, there's nothing special required.
[9:28] <ProfOak_> ShiftPlusOne: It's going to be a personal server that a few friends and I can use to talk and use VIOP with each other. Also I don't have experience setting up servers so I figure this can be good practice.
[9:28] <ShiftPlusOne> devslash, What distro are you using and what have you tried so far?
[9:28] <devslash> im trying to ask in #archlinux but most people there are assholes
[9:28] <devslash> im on arch linux on my pi
[9:28] <devslash> i enabled X11forwarding in my ssh config
[9:29] <devslash> followed these steps
[9:29] <devslash> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdmcp#XDM
[9:29] <devslash> up to where you connect to it
[9:29] <ShiftPlusOne> devslash, did you make sure you edited sshd config and not ssh config?
[9:29] <devslash> yes
[9:29] <devslash> sshd_config
[9:30] <devslash> then do i do ssh -X myip ?
[9:30] <ShiftPlusOne> btw, mind the language, family friendly channel... also, I don't know what #archlinux is like nowadays, but #archlinux-arm folks are always helpful.
[9:30] <ShiftPlusOne> try with -Y to test
[9:30] <devslash> ok sorry im really annoyed
[9:30] <devslash> so i need to do startx on my pi first
[9:30] <devslash> err do
[9:31] <ShiftPlusOne> no, that's not howw X forwarding works, you don't need an X server running on the host, it runs on the client.
[9:31] <devslash> ok
[9:31] <devslash> so now what
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[9:31] <devslash> when i use -Y it just logs me in to a shell prompt
[9:31] <ShiftPlusOne> No errors so far?
[9:32] <devslash> no
[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and you have X running on the computer you're ssh'ed from?
[9:32] <devslash> the client ?
[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> now you should be able to launch whatever you want.
[9:32] <devslash> yes
[9:32] <devslash> its ubuntu
[9:32] <devslash> is that going to be a problem ?
[9:33] <ShiftPlusOne> not at all
[9:33] <devslash> ok now what ?
[9:33] <ShiftPlusOne> <ShiftPlusOne> now you should be able to launch whatever you want.
[9:33] <devslash> how
[9:33] <ShiftPlusOne> in that ssh session, run whatever it is you want to run.
[9:33] <devslash> im at a shell prompt
[9:33] <devslash> X
[9:33] <devslash> i want access to my X desktop
[9:33] <ShiftPlusOne> You're already running X. Which program do you want to run?
[9:34] <devslash> what can i run as a test
[9:34] <ShiftPlusOne> If you want to run lxde, we can get that working later. For now, let's make sure things work. Try midori maybe
[9:35] <devslash> i dont have midori
[9:35] <ShiftPlusOne> on your pi?
[9:35] <devslash> no
[9:35] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't raspbian come with midori pre-installed?
[9:35] <devslash> im not using raspbian
[9:35] <devslash> arch
[9:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right, arch >_<
[9:35] <devslash> i can install it
[9:35] <ShiftPlusOne> forgot the whole paying attention thing.
[9:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I can't tell you what to run, because I don't know what you have installed
[9:36] <devslash> isnt there a way to open an X window
[9:36] <devslash> i mean a full Xorg window as if it was native?
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[9:36] <ShiftPlusOne> it is open
[9:37] <devslash> no
[9:37] <devslash> it isnt
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> you just have your whole ubuntu desktop running in it
[9:37] <devslash> im still at a shell prompt
[9:37] <devslash> i did ssh -Y myip
[9:37] <devslash> is that right ?
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[9:37] <devslash> and im supposed to be in a shell prompt ?
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> yes... now whatever X applications you launch, will run in the X server running on your desktop
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[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[9:38] <devslash> what can do to make sure its working
[9:38] <devslash> i dont seem to have anything installed
[9:38] <ShiftPlusOne> install and run xterm
[9:38] <devslash> ahh
[9:39] <devslash> i have xterm and its working
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[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> If that works, you can install whatever desktop environment you want, start another X server and launch that desktop environment in there.
[9:39] <devslash> wait a sec
[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> It sounds like you're after vnc though... or maybe Xnest.
[9:39] <devslash> which works best ?
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> vnc, if you want a separate window with a full desktop in it
[9:40] <devslash> yea
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I prefer X forwarding though
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[9:40] <devslash> ok what vnc can i use ?
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[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> devslash, there is the 'virtual' and 'real' kind. The real one will run a proper X server on your pi, which you would be able to see on a monitor plugged into a pi, then you can connect to that X session and use it remotely. The virtual one runs a hidden x server which you can connect to remotely.
[9:42] <devslash> ii want a remote connection
[9:42] <devslash> my pi cant be connected via a physical connection to a tv
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> they're both remote, but yeah, virtual will work, just a sec, I'll find the page you're after
[9:43] <devslash> is icewm good ?
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Vncserver
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know about icewm, I use openbox.
[9:43] <devslash> is it reasonably stable ?
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[9:44] <ShiftPlusOne> openbox? very much so.
[9:44] <ShiftPlusOne> or vnc?
[9:44] <devslash> openbox
[9:44] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
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[9:45] <devslash> dumb question but do i need to install bother tigervnc and tightvnc or just one of them ?
[9:45] <devslash> both
[9:45] <ShiftPlusOne> just install tightvnc
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[9:50] <devslash> ok
[9:51] <devslash> so i installed it
[9:51] <devslash> and im getting a vncclient
[9:51] <devslash> do i start open box with exec openbox or exec openbox-session ?
[9:52] <ShiftPlusOne> the last one will work best
[9:52] <devslash> i just get a blank screen
[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you expect? openbox is a wm
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[9:53] <devslash> wow
[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> if you want a panel and all that fancy stuff you'll need to BYO
[9:53] <devslash> ok im new to this
[9:53] <devslash> windows manager
[9:54] <ShiftPlusOne> It just provides the 'border' around windows that lets you drag them around, resize, maximize and all that. Though there is a menu if you right click on the 'blank screen', but you need to configure it (there are tool which do that for you).
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[10:00] <ShiftPlusOne> devslash, things like gnome, kde and lxde package up a panel, wm and a suite of other tools to make things simpler. They hide what happens in the background. If you use openbox with your own xinitrc file you can have a lot of headaches setting things up the way you want, if you're unfamiliar with the process. I find that it takes a few minutes and I end up with a light desktop without bloat, ju
[10:00] <ShiftPlusOne> st the things I need, organized exactly the way I want them. I understand that that's not what most people are after, so maybe lxde or even xfce4 might suit you better.
[10:00] <devslash> yea im gonna try those out
[10:00] <devslash> icewm and openbox arent for me
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[10:01] <ShiftPlusOne> lxde is also light, so it may feel incomplete in some respects, but it works great on the pi. Xfce is... meant to be light and manages to work on the pi... but it has all the features you might expect, so it might be the better choice. Try different things and see what suits you.
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[10:05] <devslash> yea
[10:05] <devslash> im gonna try out lxde and xfce
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> there's also enlightenment which may be worth a shot. It's nice and slick, but I couldn't get used to it... too different from what I want, though I suspect it's very configurable. Anyway, good luck. The Arch wiki is your friend when it comes to setting things up, so consult it first.
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[10:12] <ShorTie> mornin fellows
[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ey
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[10:21] <PipeDale> ShorTie: good morning
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[10:22] <devslash> ShiftPlusOne, still here ?
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> devslash, always
[10:22] <devslash> ok
[10:22] <devslash> now that ive got X working over vnc i dont need forwarding over ssh any more right ?
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> vnc does not go over ssh (so beware of security issues)
[10:23] <devslash> ok
[10:23] <PipeDale> I've never use the Raspbery Pi with X
[10:23] <devslash> im not opening port 5901 on my router
[10:23] <devslash> me neither until now
[10:23] <PipeDale> i guess it's slow....... :/
[10:24] <devslash> ok
[10:24] <devslash> oops
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[10:24] <RTLShadow> Heyo
[10:24] <RTLShadow> So I have one of these: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/100
[10:24] <PipeDale> RTLShadow: hi
[10:24] <ShorTie> opening 5901 is a lot safer then 5900
[10:24] <RTLShadow> could anyone explain to me what they do?
[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
[10:25] <RTLShadow> I would assume it downgrades a current from like 12V to 5V, right?
[10:25] <ShiftPlusOne> RTLShadow, allows you to hook up high voltage/current electronics (through a transistor though)
[10:26] <maumushi> Hello, about vnc... i tink you can forward 5900 over ssh and tunnel vnc over ssh
[10:26] <ShorTie> RTLShadow, turn things on/off with the rPi
[10:26] <RTLShadow> ah I see
[10:26] <RTLShadow> say I want to hook up 12v to the raspberry pi
[10:27] <RTLShadow> 5v is required, does this downgrade it?
[10:27] <RTLShadow> i.e. could I place it in the middle of the current to change 12v->5v?
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> RTLShadow, downgrade is not the right word, so we may have trouble communicating.
[10:27] <RTLShadow> not downgrade
[10:27] <RTLShadow> but, lower the votlage
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> also, those are voltages you're giving, not currents
[10:27] <ShorTie> but like ShiftPlusOne, said you still need a logic level converter because the coil is 5v and rPi outputs 3.3
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> (that's ok, but I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing)
[10:28] <RTLShadow> Well, I'm wanting to do this: http://imgur.com/o90JNRg
[10:28] <RTLShadow> what things would I need?
[10:28] <ShiftPlusOne> ShorTie, also because the pi won't provide enough current to activate that relay, I bet.
[10:29] <ShorTie> relays normally don't draw much
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> RTLShadow, that diagram does not make sense to me entirely, but I am pretty sure a relay is not what you're after.
[10:29] <RTLShadow> alright
[10:29] <RTLShadow> well
[10:29] <RTLShadow> essentially, in words:
[10:30] <RTLShadow> I am making an RPi Laptop
[10:30] <RTLShadow> I need to hook up:
[10:30] <RTLShadow> - RPi, 5V @ 1A
[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> ShorTie, with a few exceptions, surely they draw over 16mA ?
[10:30] <RTLShadow> - Powered USB Hub, 5V @ 2.5A
[10:30] <RTLShadow> -Monitor, 12V @ 500mA
[10:30] <RTLShadow> I wanted to see if there is a way to use 1 input for this, instead of plugging three things into the wall
[10:31] <ShiftPlusOne> RTLShadow, yes, there is definitely a way to do this.
[10:31] <RTLShadow> Any idea how?
[10:31] <ShiftPlusOne> RTLShadow, you'll need a 12v supply and a voltage regulator.
[10:32] <ShiftPlusOne> RTLShadow, is efficiency an issue?
[10:32] <RTLShadow> So: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0023Y9EQC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2KUZVNQ9LP7N9
[10:32] <RTLShadow> efficieny how?
[10:32] <RTLShadow> efficiency how
[10:32] <ShorTie> 12v 5a power supply is gonna be a bunch i bet
[10:33] <RTLShadow> 7.84 on amazon
[10:33] <ShorTie> can't you power your display from a different wallwart ??
[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> RTLShadow, the easiest thing to do is to power the pi from the 12v supply through a linear regulator. However, they waste a lot of power, since the difference in voltage is dissipated as heat. A slightly trickier, more expensive option is to use a switching regulator, which is very efficient.
[10:33] <RTLShadow> so, why wouldnt my diagram work?
[10:34] <RTLShadow> 12V @ 5A out from the wall
[10:34] <RTLShadow> split 2A of that to the monitor
[10:34] <RTLShadow> and 3a to the converter
[10:34] <RTLShadow> it would convert the 12V to 5v
[10:34] <RTLShadow> and split that to the usb hub and raspberry pi
[10:34] <ShorTie> you can get a switching power supply off ebay cheaper then you can buy a 7805 locally i bet
[10:35] <RTLShadow> Won't this work, shortie? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0023Y9EQC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2KUZVNQ9LP7N9
[10:35] <ShiftPlusOne> RTLShadow, it will work fine, but it seems like you're going to have to learn a bit of basic electronics first
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[10:36] <RTLShadow> wouldnt this step it from 12v to 5v? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CXKBJI2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2OCOGC9B25845
[10:36] <ShiftPlusOne> according to the specifications, yes, it will
[10:37] <ShiftPlusOne> If it's worth the $8 and hassle to you
[10:37] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[10:37] <RTLShadow> so really the only problem is to split the amperage to the seperate components?
[10:37] <ShiftPlusOne> no, that's not a problem
[10:37] <RTLShadow> So what's the problem?
[10:37] <ShiftPlusOne> each device will draw however much current it needs
[10:37] <ShorTie> ya, thats nice
[10:38] <RTLShadow> wait what component would I use to split the amperage into two cords?
[10:38] <ShiftPlusOne> RTLShadow, none
[10:38] <RTLShadow> how, then?
[10:38] <ShiftPlusOne> the electrons know where they need to go XD
[10:39] <RTLShadow> so I basically split the cords in half and connect them?
[10:39] <RTLShadow> the components
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> RTLShadow, again, each device will draw however much 'amperage' it needs. You just need to make sure the voltages are correct.
[10:39] <ShorTie> if you don't need water proff, this is a option
[10:39] <RTLShadow> alright
[10:39] <ShorTie> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-LM2596HV-LM2596S-DC-DC-Step-Down-CC-CV-Adjustable-Power-Supply-Module-/180947008880?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a21483d70
[10:39] <RTLShadow> I don't
[10:40] <RTLShadow> Would prefer no shipping from china/japan :P
[10:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ShorTie, do you need to worry about overshoot when powering those up? I am not sure I would trust a cheap module like that without testing it myself first.
[10:41] <ShorTie> don't know, just ordered some
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[10:42] <RTLShadow> It's gonna take 3+ weeks to get there :P
[10:42] <ShorTie> ozzzy might know better, he showed them to me
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[10:42] <ShorTie> ya, i got patience
[10:43] <Chetic> Why do I get this error when I try to use the camera board?: mmal: mmal_vc_component_create: failed to create component 'vc.ril.camera' (1:ENOMEM)
[10:44] <Chetic> The cable is connected the right way, I have enabled the camera in raspi-config and upgraded firmware with rpi-update
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[10:46] <linuxstb> Chetic: What is gpu_mem set to in your config.txt?
[10:47] <Chetic> linuxstb: 128
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[10:49] <linuxstb> OK, strange - that should be enough. The error message is saying the GPU is short on memory. Have you rebooted recently?
[10:49] <RTLShadow> Chetic double check the cable. Is the silver part facing the HDMI and is it snapped down?
[10:50] <Chetic> linuxstb: I just did, after running raspi-config
[10:50] <Chetic> RTLShadow: It is, and I _think_ it snapped down
[10:51] <Chetic> it looks to be down the same amount as in other peoples pictures
[10:51] <linuxstb> What are you doing to try and use the camera?
[10:51] <Chetic> "raspivid -d" or "raspistill -o test1.jpg"
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[10:54] <RTLShadow> well if you can pull it out at all then its not. Are you aware you have to lift up the panel around the input on the rpi?
[10:56] <Chetic> nope
[10:56] <RTLShadow> you arent?
[10:56] <Chetic> no, so now we're getting somewhere :p
[10:56] <Chetic> eheh
[10:57] <RTLShadow> okay
[10:57] <RTLShadow> well around the input of the camera
[10:57] <RTLShadow> grab the two edges of the input on the board
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[10:57] <RTLShadow> and you can kind of pull them up
[10:57] <RTLShadow> then put the camera ribbon in there, and snap it down
[10:57] <Chetic> ok will try
[10:58] <RTLShadow> dont have it plugged in while you do it
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[10:59] <Chetic> jesus ... christ
[10:59] <Chetic> corrupt SD card again
[10:59] <Chetic> every time I shut a pi down
[10:59] <Chetic> what am I doing wrong?
[10:59] <ShorTie> how you shutting it down ??
[11:00] <Chetic> I run "sudo shutdown now" and then unplug the power when it's done shutting down
[11:00] <RTLShadow> sudo shutdown -r now?
[11:00] <Chetic> just sudo shutdown now
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[11:00] <RTLShadow> and make sure your green led on the board starts to flash ten times, that's when its done
[11:00] <ShorTie> should be 'shutdown now -h', -h for hualt
[11:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Chetic, made sure your TP1-TP2 voltage is ok?
[11:00] <RTLShadow> ^
[11:00] <RTLShadow> -h for halt, -r for reboot
[11:01] <Chetic> I don't think it's about voltages sine this has happened on _all_ pis with lots of different sd cards
[11:01] <RTLShadow> Anyone know of a place where I can find a 5.5x2.5 version of this? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10288
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[11:03] <RTLShadow> I'm probably just gonna take an electronic apart, now that I think about it
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[11:04] <RTLShadow> night guys, gonna go to bed
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[11:05] <Chetic> ShiftPlusOne: do you mean measure the voltage between tp1 and tp2 or individually?
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Chetic, between
[11:05] <Chetic> what should I expect?
[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> 5v
[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> below 4.75 is considered loww
[11:07] <Chetic> 4.92
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[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> tried different brands and classes of cards?
[11:07] <Chetic> yes
[11:08] <Chetic> lots of combinations
[11:08] <Chetic> so I'm guessing it's my shutdown procedure
[11:08] <ShiftPlusOne> and you're running recent firmware?
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[11:08] <Chetic> yes, just updated
[11:09] <ShorTie> what app's you got runnin ??
[11:10] <ShorTie> sounds like someone isn't closing a file right or the app is not being closed properly
[11:10] <maumushi> For shutdown i use only 'halt' and for now it seams to work well.... (crossing finger)
[11:11] <ShorTie> my rPi has gone thru numerous power failures with no sdcard corruption
[11:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Chetic, well, that's everything on my checklist. =(
[11:12] <Chetic> ShorTie: that's what I keep hearing from everybody but for me the cards get corrupted almost every time I unplug the damn thing
[11:12] <Chetic> thanks ShiftPlusOne
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> sudo halt is fine on the pi. no need to type that shutdown command :)
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[11:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Chetic, it's really strange. For some people, sd card corruption is just a thing they have to deal with, for others, it never happens. I can unplug the pi without shutting it down as much as I want without any issues. Sounds like a manufacturing issue, but I have idea what it might be.
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[11:15] <Chetic> it has to be the card, right? I mean it's about how the card handles interrupted SPI comms isn't it?
[11:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe, but you said you have tried many different cards =/
[11:16] <Chetic> hmmm. sudo halt did not behave the same way as sudo shutdown now
[11:16] <Chetic> maybe that's all it was
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[11:21] * Chetic gets his hopes way up after a successful shutdown
[11:22] <Chetic> and now the camera works
[11:22] <Chetic> today is a good day
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> I've used 'halt' forever.
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> If you can confirm that it makes a difference, please to report back.
[11:22] <Chetic> will do!
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> in some older unixes it was different, but in these enlightened days its the same.
[11:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I use halt as well, but I was sure it does the same thing.
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> If halt or reboot is called when the system is not in runlevel 0 or 6, in other words when it's running normally,
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> shutdown will be invoked instead (with the -h or -r flag). For more info see the shutdown(8) manpage.
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> from the man page of halt on a Pi.
[11:24] <ShiftPlusOne> well, there you go, Chetic. Bring those hopes right back down. >=/
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> it's just less typing and programmers are lazy :)
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> marginally easier than sync;sync <pull the plug> :)
[11:28] <Chetic> I suggest one of you try "sudo shutdown now" with hdmi connected to a display
[11:28] <Chetic> it goes down into the emergency terminal or what it's called
[11:29] <Chetic> display doesn't shut off
[11:29] <Chetic> while halt does
[11:29] <linuxstb> Yes, that's what happens if you don't use -r or -h
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[11:30] <Chetic> so I've learned :p
[11:30] <PipeDale> must be windy outside
[11:30] <PipeDale> my Pi has dropped to 30c :/
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> computes doing what you tell them to do - again ;-)
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> Read the fine manual: Runlevel 0 is used to halt the system, runlevel 6 is used to reboot the system, and runlevel 1 is used to put to system into a state where administrative tasks can be performed; this is the default if neither the -h or -r flag is given to shutdown.
[11:33] <linuxstb> Does seem an odd default for a program called "shutdown" though...
[11:33] * gordonDrogon nods.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> I got used to just typing init 1, init 0, init 6 a long time back though...
[11:34] <Chetic> hey I never claimed to know what I was doing :p
[11:34] <Chetic> but that explains it
[11:35] <maumushi> i used telinit 0 until someone told me not to do that if i wanted my system run healty, but i forget why
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> Linux stirred things up a bit - and early Linuxes (distros) had their own personalities.
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> before that it was pretty similar in the BSDs and the SysVs. Sun managed the transition from the BSDtype to SysV type though.
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[11:44] <davor> what's the most lightweight system I available for the Pi that can run mpd?
[11:44] <davor> -I
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I am guessing something you'd roll yourself. Or use nerdboy's openbox+mpd yocto image
[11:45] <davor> I can't get the yocto image to boot sadly
[11:45] <maumushi> but if i'm not wrong in sun unix (sysv ?) it's normal to shutdown using init 0 so it should be the same in linux
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[11:46] <davor> hm, I could roll something myself though. would be a proper pain setting the environment up though
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[11:47] <davor> I wish I could debug the boot process somehow
[11:48] <davor> does the Pi write any logs that early on?
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[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> davor, you haven't mentioned what happens. If the linux kernel loads, you can get output through serial by telling it to do so in cmdline.txt
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> davor, For rolling your own, buildroot does all the hard work for you, but it may take a lot of trial and error.
[11:49] <davor> ah, sorry. upon plugging the Pi in, the ACT LED lights up for a few seconds, then turns off. PWR remains on and that's it, no composite output or any further sign of activity
[11:50] <davor> I'm not sure it even managed to load the kernel
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> If the kernel didn't load, the LED would blink a certain number of times at you.
[11:51] <davor> hmm... I'll use that as a last resort then haha, sounds pretty nerve-wracking
[11:51] <davor> ah, I see
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you have a usb->3.3v serial adapter thing going?
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Because if you can't figure out what's going wrong, you'll probably have a hard time with buildroot too.
[11:52] <davor> sadly, no, I'll have to get/make one
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> they're pretty cheap on ebay
[11:53] <davor> ah, that's good
[11:53] <ShorTie> sure sdcard is write right ??
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[11:55] <davor> yeah pretty sure, I tried writing my old Arch image on it and it booted okay, wrote the image again, nothing
[11:55] <davor> tried building a new image, OE, Yocto, not one will boot
[11:56] <davor> hm. can I just use serial without USB?
[11:56] <davor> I believe I have a serial port
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[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> it's easier over usb
[11:57] <ShorTie> gotta be bad image i would think, if arch works ok
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> since rs232 uses a much higher voltage
[11:57] <MarcusVin> Hello everyone.
[11:57] <davor> ah, so I'd need to convert it or something...
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Hey
[11:57] <davor> thanks ShiftPlusOne, best use USB then
[11:58] <davor> especially since the interfaces go for something like 10 USD or so
[11:58] <davor> hi MarcusVin
[11:58] <MarcusVin> I have a quick question. Has anyone got flash plugin working with any browser on the Rpi?
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> MarcusVin, gnash works, but it's very slow. Why do you think you need flash?
[11:59] <MarcusVin> I wanted to be able to browse youtube with it :(
[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> You don't need flash. Try this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8157
[12:00] <MarcusVin> Thank you very much ShiftPlusOne. I'll check that out now.
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[12:00] <davesleep> does youtube do html5 video now?
[12:00] <davesleep> doesnt*
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> it does
[12:00] <McBofh> davesleep: it does, but you have to opt-in
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> but is there a way to use omxplayer in the browser?
[12:01] <McBofh> davesleep: https://www.youtube.com/html5
[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> So, I don't think html5 helps at all in this case.
[12:02] <davesleep> aye, i mean if someone wants to browse the youtubes
[12:02] <davesleep> there must be a browser/plugin he can use surely?
[12:02] <davesleep> oh man, my back is killing wtf
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> they can browse, but they won't be able to watch videos in the browser
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> if I wanted to watch yt on the pi, I'd be using xbmc
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> or downloading the videos with youtube-dl and playing with omxplayer
[12:03] <McBofh> ditto
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[12:07] <davor> woah... shipping this https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745 to my country costs anywhere between 8 and 80 USD
[12:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't get anything shipped from USA.
[12:08] <davor> ditto
[12:08] <davor> trying to find a shop in the EU that sells those things
[12:09] <ShiftPlusOne> AAny chance you can buy the chip off ebay and make it yourself?
[12:11] <ShorTie> you can make 1 for a buck, if that
[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> You can get 100 of them for $4
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[12:11] <davor> the converter chip?
[12:11] <davor> and make a serial interface?
[12:11] <davor> sure
[12:11] <ShorTie> it's just a cmos transister, bss123
[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> well 138 in this case
[12:12] <ShorTie> and 2 10k resisters
[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> www.ebay.com/itm/300846787084
[12:12] <ShorTie> then 2 more resisters for a voltage divider on the way back
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[12:14] <davor> sounds simple enough
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[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't know how well that would work for rs232->uart though
[12:17] <ShorTie> lets see if this works, lol.
[12:17] <ShorTie> __ +5.5v
[12:17] <ShorTie> |
[12:17] <ShorTie> \
[12:17] <ShorTie> / 10k
[12:17] <ShorTie> \
[12:17] <ShorTie> |
[12:17] <ShorTie> ___________ Output
[12:17] <ShorTie> |
[12:17] <ShorTie> ___________________
[12:17] <ShorTie> | BSS123 |
[12:17] <ShorTie> |_________________|
[12:17] <ShorTie> | |
[12:17] <ShorTie> | |
[12:17] <ShorTie> - +3.3v ----o--'\/\/\/'--o---- GPIO Pin
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ShorTie, .... jesus... don't do that >_<
[12:18] <ShorTie> hmmm, tabs not right
[12:18] <McBofh> ShorTie: that's what pastebin.ca & friends are for
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> better yet, circuitlab
[12:18] <ShorTie> ok, sorry
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> davor, are you going 3.3 to 5 or 5 to 3.3 ?
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> most 5v logic devices can be directly driven by 3.3v logic, and a simple resistor divider is fine for the 5v to 3.3v direction.
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[12:24] <gordonDrogon> the tricky one is when you have bi-directional lines...
[12:25] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, rs232->uart, I think.
[12:25] <davor> that is true
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> if it's 'real' rs232 then you need something like +/- 12v
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> there is a max3232 on the board I have in-front of me to to just that...
[12:26] <davor> hmmm...
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> there are a few ready-made Pi to serial converters though.
[12:27] <davor> tbh I'd like to make something as simple and cheap as possible, but my main concern is ordering stuff from abroad which I'd like to avoid
[12:28] <davor> mainly because (except when ordering from HK) shipping rates are at least 3-5 USD, and more commonly about 8 USD
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> which country are you in?
[12:28] <davor> Croatia
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> Ah, Eastern Europe.
[12:29] <davor> indeed :(
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> what's it like buying from the UK?
[12:29] <davor> pretty uncomfortable usually haha
[12:29] <davor> regarding shipping rates
[12:29] <davor> at least 2 GBP
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[12:30] <gordonDrogon> places like skpang.co.uk, tandyonline.co.uk and pimoroni.com are UK based but stock sparkfun/adafruit stuff.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> is there a local farnell there?
[12:30] <davor> I mean it isn't much really, but paying a bill with half of the money going towards shipping just bugs me a bit
[12:30] <davor> I don't think there is
[12:30] <davor> I'll check those places
[12:30] * ShiftPlusOne thinks china and ebay is the best bet.
[12:31] <davor> oh hey there's a distributor for Farnell in Croatia
[12:31] <ShorTie> there you go
[12:31] <davor> and it's only about a 10 minute walk from here :p
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[12:38] <MarcusVin> ShiftPlusOne, That setup didnt work out unfortuantely. Do you know of any browser that has java and html5 for raspberrypi?
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> MarcusVin, nope
[12:39] <davor> would this do? http://uk.farnell.com/ftdi/ttl-232r-pcb/module-conv-usb-to-ttl-serial-uart/dp/1740366
[12:39] <davesleep> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=24010 ? i dunno if that may be of any help
[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, how well does it work without acceleration? O_o
[12:40] <MarcusVin> Thanks davesleep
[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne> davor, that looks like a 5v one.
[12:41] <davor> ah, damn. this? http://uk.farnell.com/microchip/rn-srl-pro3v-dgl/module-usb-to-3v-serial-uart-dongle/dp/2143326
[12:41] <davor> I think that's the one
[12:41] <ShiftPlusOne> looks right on the first glance
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[12:42] <ShiftPlusOne> A tad too pricey, but if that's all you can get...
[12:42] <ecraven> hello :) can anyone suggest a good 6-7" lcd touchscreen solution that works well with the raspberry? For in-car use
[12:43] <davor> yeah... looking for something cheaper at the moment ShiftPlusOne
[12:43] <ShiftPlusOne> davor, why isn't ebay an option?
[12:44] <davor> it is, it's just the delivery times that bug me a little
[12:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, right
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[12:44] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, there's a tradeoff
[12:44] <davor> indeed
[12:46] <ShorTie> what usb device you gotta hook up thru a serial port ??
[12:46] <ShorTie> why doesn't regular usb work ??
[12:47] <davor> no no, I was looking for ways to construct a Pi to serial interface
[12:47] <davor> as I have an rs232 on my machine
[12:47] <ShorTie> oh, well i think those are backwards for ya
[12:48] <davor> huh?
[12:49] <ShorTie> don't know, but that looks like you hook it up to serial to give you usb
[12:50] <ShiftPlusOne> ShorTie, nope
[12:50] <davor> I'm looking to make something like this http://www.savagehomeautomation.com/projects/raspberry-pi-installing-a-rs232-serial-port.html
[12:52] <ShorTie> 1 has a db-9 on it and other has usb, don't l00k the same to me
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[12:53] <davor> that's the point
[12:53] <davor> the usb ones tend to be expensive
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[12:54] <ozzzy> usb->serial dongles are cheaper than the hardware to connect an RS232 port
[12:54] <ShorTie> maybe cause there are different
[12:54] <ShiftPlusOne> davor, $3 is not expensive >_<
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[12:54] <davor> the shipping rates are ShiftPlusOne
[12:54] <ShiftPlusOne> ordering from farnell is expensive
[12:55] <davor> yes, that.
[12:55] <ozzzy> so order fro ebay with free shipping
[12:55] <davor> hmmm
[12:55] <ShiftPlusOne> "the usb ones tend to be expensive"
[12:55] <malcom2073> ecraven: Any of the hdmi input lilliputs ought to work fine
[12:55] <davor> yeah that's what I'll probably end up doing ozzzy
[12:55] <davor> ShiftPlusOne, for me I meant, given where I live
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[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> davor, rs232 is not going to be any cheaper though. I give up trying to understand your logic.... must be a Croatian thing =P
[12:56] <davor> lol. I know what you mean, but it might be easier to build
[12:56] <ecraven> malcom2073: do they need an extra plug for the touchscreen? or does that work over hdmi?
[12:57] <davor> and I could probably get the parts here
[12:57] <malcom2073> They need a USB plug. I'm not aware of any touchscreen which does touch over hdmi
[12:57] <davor> so I wouldn't have to wait until the thing arrives
[12:58] <Wikibit> Hi there. It might be a beginner question, but I have problems booting up my new rev b raspberry pi. i dd'ed an image on the card, but when trying to boot with it, the green led is bright for a short moment and then turns off.. then nothing else happens.. when powering it up without an sd card, the green led is "barely on" (the "never seen a bootloader indication")… so i suppose it's doing something when the sd is inserted, but i coul
[12:58] <Wikibit> really find this case in the "troubleshooting" wiki article. any ideas?
[12:58] <davor> nah screw it, I'll try finding something on ebay
[12:59] <davor> I could maybe contact the seller of that one you linked ShiftPlusOne, he might be willing to ship here
[12:59] <ShiftPlusOne> davor, what did I link exactly?
[12:59] <davor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300846787084
[13:00] <davor> no sorry
[13:00] <davor> wrong link
[13:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I don't think I linked one.
[13:00] <ShorTie> what ever you get, make sure it has linux drivers
[13:00] <davor> yeah lol. nevermind mixed it up
[13:00] <davor> remembered incorrectly
[13:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[13:02] <davor> this seems like what I need http://www.ebay.com/itm/121136745224
[13:03] <davor> "TTL levels are 3.3V"
[13:03] <davor> well, *is
[13:03] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, that's perfect and works fine.
[13:03] <ShiftPlusOne> easy to connect to the pi too
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[13:04] <ShiftPlusOne> May be a little hard to figure out what connects where... ftdi have too many different models of these >_<
[13:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I think one of the wires will be 5v, make sure you don't hook it up to anything.
[13:06] <davor> ah, will check with a multimeter
[13:07] <ShiftPlusOne> If your usb port allows, you can use it to power the pi though.
[13:08] <davor> that's pretty cool
[13:09] <davor> "Estimated delivery: Between Monday, Aug. 19 and Wednesday, Sep. 4" darn :p
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[13:09] <davor> oh well, I'll find something else to mess with until then hehe
[13:09] <davor> at least I got a very nice deal
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo - delivery from China - about a week after it was ordered (from the US)
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[13:10] <davor> haha
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> actually, exactly 8 days.
[13:10] <davor> I'm jealous.
[13:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I usually get things pretty quickly from China
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> I'm in the UK.
[13:10] <ShiftPlusOne> unless I order from aliexpress of dx
[13:10] <davor> that's how long it takes me to get stuff from the UK gordonDrogon !
[13:10] <ShiftPlusOne> *or
[13:10] <davor> heck, even more
[13:10] <davor> *longer
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[13:11] <davor> at least I got my Pi via a local RS distributer within a day of making my payment
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> this is the first time I've had a delivery from .cn - the chap at http://www.mypishop.com/ sent me some gpio ID tags as a present.
[13:11] <davor> *or
[13:11] <davor> distributor
[13:12] <davor> haha, nice!
[13:12] <ShiftPlusOne> gpio ID tags? O_o
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> Yup.
[13:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, the label sticker things I've seen around?
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> photo in 3 .... 2 ... 1 ...
[13:13] <ShiftPlusOne> with the individual pins labeled?
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMAG0702.jpg
[13:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, not what I was thinking of
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[13:15] <davor> hm, best try to set up pulseaudio streaming now
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> you place these over the pins and off you go.
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, so the same sort of deal, just on a pcb
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Nice that they included the wiringpi pins
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> yup. it's double sided, just flip it over.
[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> nap time
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[13:22] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/gpioPlate.jpg
[13:23] <FR^2> not a bad thing :)
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> Yea! So I have a boxfull of these now.
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> corners are a bit sharp, but I'll take a little file to them.
[13:25] <ozzzy> use one of those knife sharpener things
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> they're a bit thin to go on a keyring though, else I'd punch a hole in them.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, a steel? Ye gods no - I'm not using my nice diamond steels on a PCB!
[13:26] <ozzzy> no...
[13:27] <Wikibit> hey. is reposting a question once appropriate in IRC? it has been a while since i last used it :)
[13:27] <ozzzy> those handheld things with two 'steels' at an angle.... with a knife they put an edge on... with something with a square profile they put a slight bevel on
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[13:30] <Wikibit> It might be a beginner question, but I have problems booting up my new rev b raspberry pi. i dd'ed an image (http://minepeon.com/update/latest.php) on my 64gb samsung card, but when trying to boot with it, the green led is bright for a short moment and then turns off.. then nothing else happens.. when powering it up without an sd card, the green led is "barely on" (the "never seen a bootloader indication")… so i suppose it's doing
[13:30] <Wikibit> something when the sd is inserted, but i couldn't really find this case in the "troubleshooting" wiki article. any ideas?
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[13:32] <ShorTie> did you check your download for corruption ??
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[13:32] <ShorTie> oh, no crc stuff there
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[13:41] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, ah yes- I have one of those- it's not the edges but the corners that are a bit pointy/scratchy.
[13:41] <ozzzy> gordonDrogon: ahhh... yeah. Then a file is the correct tool
[13:42] <PipeDale> i need to find a Gentoo .img
[13:42] <ShorTie> finger nail file
[13:42] <PipeDale> :(
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[13:50] <Wikibit> ShorTie: did you mean me? yes. i crc checked the download.
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[13:54] <Davespice> Wikibit: do you have a multimeter? I would do this procedure here to see if you're getting power issues; http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
[13:55] <Davespice> also, did you SHA-1 check the download?
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, yea, wifey has lots of them :)
[13:56] <Wikibit> Davespice: i tried that. voltage is slightly over 5. yea. i checked the checksum of the download. (this one: http://minepeon.com/update/latest.php)
[13:56] <Davespice> PipeDale: can you ask here? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=54
[13:56] <Davespice> Wikibit: okay so first thing to check then is if any image will work with that SD card
[13:57] <Davespice> just go and get the latest Raspbian raw image and dd that to your SD card
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[13:57] <Davespice> then you can eliminate if the problem exists with the minepeon image or with the SD card/Pi etc
[13:58] <Wikibit> Davespice: I have this one: http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-Speicherkarte-kompatiblen-Endgeräten-Frustfreie/dp/B007PYBQKC - will take a few from the office home tonight to also check them.
[13:58] <Davespice> good plan
[13:58] <Wikibit> Davespice: yea, that makes sense to also test a different image.
[13:58] <Davespice> see if you can find that SD card in this list; http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#Working_.2F_Non-working_SD_cards
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[13:59] <Wikibit> Davespice i am on a mac, would you specify the blocksize param? it always says 1m for the minepeon image. but not sure if that should maybe change for a bigger card
[13:59] <Davespice> yeah, you can send block size as 2M if you like, I either do 1M or 2M
[14:00] <Wikibit> Davespice: the sandisk 64card is listed as "works" in the wiki.
[14:00] <Davespice> I don't think it makes a lot of difference to the end product though, the bytes still get written to the SD card
[14:00] <Davespice> okay, then the next thing is to check another image on it
[14:00] <Davespice> get the latest Raspbian, see if that works
[14:01] <Wikibit> Davespace: crap. can i go home now? ;-)
[14:01] <Wikibit> should have brought the rpi to the office.
[14:01] <Wikibit> :)
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[14:02] <Davespice> if I was an employer I would let all staff have them on their desks :)
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[14:03] <Wikibit> heh. nobody would complain here, but i was just out for weeks on a business trip.. so i felt a bit bad for bringing something to play on day 1 ;)
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[14:04] <Davespice> yeah, I suppose it depends how long you've been there
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[14:32] <PipeDale> i think work places should setup a cabinet
[14:32] <PipeDale> for them :)
[14:33] <PipeDale> i know of a few Pi's located in a data centre
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[14:34] <Davespice> I work for a Microsoft house and there have been quite a few of them around our office
[14:34] <Davespice> we've got one guy who think they're a waste of time but he's a hardcore enterprise dev <shrug>
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[14:35] <hifi> enterprise microsoft dev, what could possibly go wrong
[14:35] <Encrypt> I believe he thinks Linux is a waste of time :p
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[14:35] <hifi> hardcore anything is usually a Bad Thing
[14:35] <Encrypt> Davespice, Tell him RPi distros have no Bluescreens :p
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[14:36] <atouk> "toys" are how people learn. Anyone that thinks they're too old for toys is admitting they're too lazy to learn anything new
[14:36] <hifi> I couldn't stand hardcode linux enthusiasts, and I'm a long time linux desktop and server something
[14:36] <Davespice> well... I am also an enterprise dev :) but I do a lot of other stuff besides that
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[14:36] <davor> grr, I hate this, I have all the means to establish what the problem is, except a single adapter with which to connect the RPi to my PC
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[14:37] <Encrypt> By the way, considering I have set a web server, mail server, file server, printer server and web ftp on my only Raspberry Pi...
[14:37] <Encrypt> That's not a waste of time, clearly
[14:37] <Davespice> oh thats cool, how does it perform Encrypt
[14:37] <Encrypt> It works well :)
[14:37] <Davespice> have you run top on it lately?
[14:37] <Davespice> is the file server using samba too?
[14:37] <Encrypt> It even underclocks itself when it idles (most of the time) :p
[14:38] <Encrypt> Davespice, Nope
[14:38] <Encrypt> Unison \o/
[14:38] <hifi> underclocking is useless though
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[14:38] <Encrypt> Ya
[14:38] <Davespice> oh right :)
[14:38] <Encrypt> But it's fun :p
[14:38] <hifi> if you mean below 700
[14:38] <Davespice> davor: what are you trying to do?
[14:38] <Encrypt> 100 MHz when it idles
[14:38] <hifi> according to tests the power consuption doesn't change if you underclock it
[14:38] <hifi> and you have better response times without underclocking, the tests showed significant performance issues
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[14:39] * hifi should quite the exact forum thread
[14:39] <hifi> quote*
[14:39] <davor> I can't boot my yocto build, I want to see what's wrong, but the usb cable won't arrive for another month Davespice
[14:40] <Davespice> oh yikes
[14:40] <Davespice> yocto? what's that?
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[14:41] <Davespice> oh just googles it, its a custom distro builder tool
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[14:41] <davor> yeah, basically
[14:41] <hifi> what's your use case for it
[14:41] <Davespice> and how does the usb cable help you diagnose the issue?
[14:42] <davor> hifi, just an mpd server
[14:42] <hifi> davor: isn't that a bit overkill for that?
[14:42] <davor> Davespice, I might be able to see why it doesn't boot for that
[14:42] <davor> yocto hifi?
[14:42] <hifi> in the meanwhile you can try raspbian-ua-netinst
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[14:42] <Davespice> shouldn't you just get a screen on the Pi?
[14:43] <davor> it won't output anything to the screen Davespice
[14:43] <davor> hifi, I'm currently running Arch, and music lags for some reason
[14:43] <hifi> if you need a minimal system to install mpd on
[14:43] <Encrypt> Davespice, http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19626172/RPi.jpg
[14:43] <davor> not all the time, the mpd's cpu usage just maxes out cpu usage every minute or so
[14:43] <Davespice> I'm just trying to understand what good a usb cable will do...
[14:43] <hifi> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst give that a spin, I'll give you a cookie
[14:44] <davor> oh, it's one of these Davespice http://www.ebay.com/itm/121136745224
[14:44] <Encrypt> Davespice, It's the latest photograph I did, now it is cooled by a PiHolder Case :)
[14:44] <hifi> you just need to cross your fingers it actually does something
[14:44] <davor> it will provide a serial interface
[14:44] <Davespice> oh, you're booting it from that disk?
[14:44] <Davespice> ah right a ttl to usb cable, gotya
[14:45] <Davespice> you can also get ttl to rs232 modules... which you might be easier for you to get hold of
[14:45] <davor> eh, I'll give it a shot hifi. thanks. hopefully I won't be suffering stutters with that
[14:45] <Davespice> search ebay for a "MAX3232 ttl converter"
[14:46] <hifi> davor: you'll get a minimal raspbian, that's at least the best supported OS
[14:46] <Davespice> davor: I have one of these; http://r.ebay.com/5Walt3
[14:46] <hifi> davor: also remember to install the latest firmware to get the sound module
[14:47] <davor> ah yeah that would work Davespice. it's a bit too pricey for me though, given that what I've ordered cost only 2 USD
[14:47] <davor> ah, thanks hifi
[14:48] <Davespice> search around a bit, you might get cheaper ones
[14:48] <Davespice> the other option is... do you have another Pi spare?
[14:48] <davor> nope
[14:48] <davor> just this one
[14:48] <Davespice> you could cross wire the Tx and Rx pins between two Pi's and use minicom on the second Pi to show the output of the bootup sequence on the first one
[14:49] <davor> woah, that's pretty cool
[14:49] <davor> wish I had a second one
[14:49] <Davespice> yeah, that way you dont need any ttl level shifting being done
[14:49] <davor> actually I wish I could make one of those things myself, that way if no special parts that need to be ordered in are needed, I could make it in a few days
[14:50] <davor> yeah that's true
[14:50] <Davespice> minicom is like putty or hyper-terminal for Linux
[14:50] <hifi> minicom is awful btw. screen is a lot nicer for serial terminal
[14:51] <hifi> the BSD terminal program is the best though
[14:51] <Davespice> screen?
[14:51] <Davespice> as in screen bash, screen -r
[14:51] <davor> actually is it possible to make a serial to ttl converter without using microcontrollers?
[14:51] <hifi> davor: yes, you can connect screen to a tty
[14:51] <Davespice> I'm not sure it is
[14:51] <davor> just regular elements
[14:51] <Davespice> ah, cheers hifi I'll remember that
[14:52] <davor> hm, damn
[14:52] <hifi> I've found minicom cumbersome to configure and use
[14:52] <hifi> when you just want that 9600 baud line open
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[14:52] <hifi> also what module provides /sys/class/leds
[14:52] <hifi> i don't have them
[14:52] <PipeDale> has anyone actually got netbsd/freebsd on there Pi?
[14:53] <Davespice> I think there is an image for that which can download PipeDale
[14:53] <Davespice> I haven't used it myself, I just tend to use Raspbian and Open Elec on various Pi's
[14:53] <Davespice> I've got 4 lol :)
[14:53] <PipeDale> Davespice: greedy :)
[14:53] <Davespice> used to have 5 but I sold one to gordonDrogon
[14:54] <PipeDale> I'm tempted to buy another
[14:54] <PipeDale> they work well hosting apache
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[14:55] <Davespice> yeah I really want to use apache to make an IP camera based on the camera board
[14:56] <Davespice> not really had a chance to look into it yet but I hear there is a cutom fork of Motion which can do it
[14:56] <PipeDale> i have a box at home, running xen with random vps doing stuff
[14:56] <PipeDale> like local DNS (my ISP's suck)
[14:56] <PipeDale> might replace it for a few Pi's
[14:56] <PipeDale> less power
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[15:01] <Davespice> PipeDale: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3145
[15:02] <Davespice> there is a link on that page to the free bsd one too
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[15:02] <PipeDale> Cheers, might give it a try :)
[15:02] <PipeDale> i'm waiting till the day someone get's openvz running on the Pi :P
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[15:03] <Davespice> really?
[15:03] <Davespice> thats a virtual machine thing isn't it?
[15:04] <Davespice> Wouldn't it be better to run that on an x86 machine with 8 gig of ram? :)
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[15:04] * ozzzy waits for the VMS image
[15:05] <PipeDale> Davespice: yeah but someone will do it
[15:05] <davor> hifi, woah. that is minimal. I love it.
[15:05] <PipeDale> to run a few vps with like 64mb ram
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[15:06] <davor> hifi, going over to my grandparents', I'll be home in a few hours, I'll give it a shot then and report back if you'd like
[15:06] <Davespice> does that also emulate a cpu as well?
[15:06] <hifi> davor: the image isn't the final install
[15:06] <hifi> it's an installer, you need working ethernet for it to self-install
[15:07] <davor> this sounds pretty hot though: installation takes well under 15 minutes with fast Internet from power on to sshd running
[15:07] <hifi> but yeah, feedback is very welcome :)
[15:07] <davor> also this: no clutter included, you only get the bare essential packages
[15:07] <davor> that's basically what I've been looking for all this time :p
[15:07] <hifi> I found my audience \o/
[15:07] <davor> hahaha
[15:07] <davor> indeed
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[15:08] <Davespice> oh, someone done a net install of raspbian?
[15:08] <hifi> yes!
[15:08] <hifi> I keep yelling at every corner but it's hard to get noticed
[15:08] <hifi> though there is an official net install too but this is more minimal
[15:08] <Davespice> oh good one, what did you get it down to?
[15:08] <hifi> and it installs jessie
[15:09] <hifi> the default install with default package set I've personally selected is around 170MB installed plus /boot
[15:09] <Davespice> heh, I love the way debian builds are named after toy story characters
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[15:09] <davor> first I thought you were just linking me standard raspbian, didn't even bother to read the URL :p
[15:09] <hifi> the "I've personally selected" part is sshd and vi mostly
[15:09] <davor> but yeah this sounds brilliant, exactly what I need
[15:09] <davor> plus no systemd, I really think that's a bit much for the RPi
[15:09] <hifi> you don't even need cron if you don't like it
[15:09] <hifi> you can select the minimal set by pre-configuring the installer
[15:10] <hifi> then you only have apt and networking on first boot
[15:10] <hifi> not even cron running
[15:10] <Davespice> I was looking into something like that a while ago for using with MCServer (the c++ minecraft server)
[15:10] <hifi> and sshd of course
[15:10] <davor> haha, that's pretty cool
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[15:10] <hifi> Davespice: feel free to use it
[15:10] <hifi> I'm bugging plugwash to officialize it
[15:10] <hifi> but there are a few upstream bugs that need to be taken care of
[15:11] <hifi> to avoid some manual post install tweaking
[15:12] <Davespice> I'll give it a go sometime
[15:13] <Davespice> might try it on a 512Mb sd card :)
[15:14] <hifi> it should work
[15:14] <hifi> wait, I'm not sure anymore
[15:14] <hifi> I don't have any of that size myself
[15:15] <hifi> would be a terrible lie in the project documentation if it didn't fit in 512MB card
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[15:17] <Davespice> I'm not sure if I have one :)
[15:17] <Davespice> I'll have to dig into the back of my drawers
[15:18] <IT_Sean> eeeew. Why would you keep them there?
[15:18] <IT_Sean> >_>
[15:18] <IT_Sean> <_<
[15:18] <hifi> I keep all of my stuff in a drawer
[15:18] <hifi> the techy stuff
[15:18] <hifi> a big pile of junk
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[15:19] <IT_Sean> You mean... you don't keep your raspi in a bottom-lit, clear, museum grade, lucite enclosure, sat atop a marble stand?
[15:19] <hifi> if I say no will you slap me?
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[15:20] <Davespice> no fish slapping.
[15:20] <hifi> at least it's on the TOP of the pile!
[15:20] * hifi hides
[15:20] * IT_Sean slaps Davespice with a dolphin
[15:21] <Davespice> well, at least that's better than a large trout :)
[15:21] <IT_Sean> you said no fish.
[15:21] <IT_Sean> You did not forbid slapping with aquatic mammals.
[15:21] <IT_Sean> 's a good job for you i didn't use a blue whale.
[15:21] <hifi> poor dolphin
[15:21] <Davespice> yeah, poor dolphin
[15:21] <IT_Sean> o_O
[15:21] <Davespice> no wait; poor Davespice!
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[15:22] <hifi> you'd think it would hurt to get slapped by a ~40kg piece of meat?
[15:22] <IT_Sean> depends on how hard the slap is.
[15:23] <hifi> can you give a gentle tap on the cheek with a dolphin?
[15:23] <hifi> that would be rather nice for everyone participating the event
[15:23] <IT_Sean> I dunno. Never tried it.
[15:23] <IT_Sean> when i slap someone, i go for distance.
[15:24] <hifi> darn it, I can't enable the ACT led for SD card activity without leds_gpio module
[15:24] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccyRegeane_Away
[15:25] <hifi> it would be a nice indicator of installer activity without a display installed
[15:25] <hifi> unless you can somehow trick the firmware to do that on boot
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[15:28] <Encrypt> Anyone interested in a 15$ worth 3To USB Hard Drive? :p
[15:29] <Encrypt> http://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/126445878/wd-elements-desktop-wdbaau0030hbk-disques-durs.html
[15:30] <IT_Sean> gah! funny euros! noooooooooooooooooooooo!
[15:31] <hifi> what, 3TB drive for 11,15€? no way
[15:32] <Encrypt> I don't know... It seems it is...
[15:32] <hifi> they missed a decimal point?
[15:32] <Encrypt> Sold in the USA
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[15:32] <IT_Sean> what's 11 euros in real money?
[15:32] <sphenxes> 11 dollar
[15:32] <Encrypt> Actually, "11,15€" means "11.15€"
[15:32] <hifi> because that drive is ~$126 on amazon
[15:32] <Encrypt> That is 11 euros and 15 cents
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[15:33] <mgottschlag> they certainly missed a decimal point and will cancel any orders
[15:33] <Encrypt> I know that's quite tricky in English :)
[15:34] <mgottschlag> because 11€ certainly is below the price they had to pay for it :)
[15:34] <Encrypt> There is a good video made by numberphile dealing with French and English numbers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1FFhaWj9w
[15:35] <Encrypt> And how difficult it is to understand them for english speakers.
[15:35] <Encrypt> -them
[15:36] <IT_Sean> I'm tempted to order one
[15:36] <Encrypt> :p
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[15:55] <hifi> snap, can't use kernel.img modules with kernel_emergency.img
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[16:03] <PipeDale> Who's good at helping
[16:04] <PipeDale> infact don't worry
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[16:07] <Davespice> what's up PipeDale?
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[16:15] <Kane> poy all
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[16:16] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[16:19] <PipeDale> Davespice: was downgrading a kernel
[16:19] <PipeDale> as webcam didn't work
[16:19] <PipeDale> but now i'm getting VCHI initialization failed
[16:20] <PipeDale> because new firmware old kernel
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[16:21] * IT_Sean wonders of his box of raspi goodies will arrive today
[16:21] <PipeDale> IT_Sean: no i told the driver to drop them here :)
[16:22] <IT_Sean> PipeDale: i highly doubt that. Noone would be stupid enough to risk death by rerouting a package of mine.
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[16:23] <PipeDale> and for the fact, i'm possibly not even in same country
[16:23] <IT_Sean> Quite possibly.
[16:23] * IT_Sean does hope it arrives today
[16:23] <PipeDale> English?
[16:24] <IT_Sean> Yes, i speak english.
[16:24] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:24] <PipeDale> i mean from england
[16:24] <PipeDale> haha
[16:24] <IT_Sean> Oh, no. I'm Irish. Living in Amehrika
[16:25] <PipeDale> was going to say, if you live in england and use Yodel for parcels they never arrive on time
[16:25] <nid0> having them arrive at all is an achievement
[16:25] <nid0> how yodel are still in business baffles me
[16:25] <IT_Sean> Ordered from E14. Using USPS.
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[16:26] <PipeDale> nid0: doing something right
[16:26] <nid0> not really
[16:26] <nid0> im glad to see a lot of major retailers are ditching them
[16:26] <PipeDale> my tablet come broke from zavvi
[16:26] <nid0> and switching to dpd
[16:26] * IT_Sean needs to buy solder, as well. Should do that on the way home from work tonight
[16:27] <PipeDale> nid0: yodel was HDN wasn't it?
[16:29] <nid0> yeah, yodel is just a rebrand of HDNL which also took on a load of DHL's business
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[16:30] <PipeDale> become Yodel because HDNL got a bad name on watchdog
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[16:31] <nid0> hopefully they'll be bust before too long
[16:31] <hifi> timed install to 11 minutes and 30 seconds with my internet connection
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[16:32] <PipeDale> hifi: is this netinstall like a plug SD card in and does automatically?
[16:32] <PipeDale> or do you need kb/mouse
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[16:33] <hifi> PipeDale: completely automatic
[16:33] <windsurf_> I've been working with Arduino, but I'm wondering how I might be able to use my raspberry pi to do some of the same things. I'd like to add a 5V, 500mA circuit to the Pi – powered by the Pi and whose transistor is switched on/off (high/low). Is that possible? Looks like the USB port's max current would be too low
[16:33] <hifi> at exactly 11:30 I could ssh in the installed system
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[16:33] <windsurf_> also not sure how i hook up a digital output 'pin' as i would on arduino
[16:33] <PipeDale> wow.
[16:34] <PipeDale> hifi: this .img being released?
[16:34] <hifi> yes, it's on the github page
[16:34] <hifi> or what do you mean?
[16:34] <hifi> it's available if that's what you're wondering
[16:34] <hifi> but you must understand it installs the bare minimum system
[16:34] <PipeDale> can you link me?
[16:35] <PipeDale> i have a spare SD :p
[16:35] <hifi> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[16:35] <hifi> cool, feedback is very welcome :)
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[16:37] <PipeDale> hifi: i'll give it a spin soon :)
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[16:40] <PipeDale> gonna break arch first ;p
[16:40] <windsurf_> nobody?
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[16:41] <PipeDale> if it works fine, i'll re-image current card :)
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[16:42] <hifi> windsurf_: sorry, not my area of expertice
[16:42] <windsurf_> cool
[16:42] <PipeDale> hifi: what location are you?
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[16:42] <hifi> where do I live? finland
[16:43] <PipeDale> so shouldn't be tooo slow in UK either :)
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[16:43] <hifi> it doesn't depend on anything regional
[16:43] <hifi> I don't host anything else than the installer image
[16:43] <hifi> all packages are pulled from the nearest raspbian mirror
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[16:44] <PipeDale> :o
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> powering Pi from USB socket on TV. Bad idea. Pi boots - doesn't see HDMI signal. TV turns off after 60 seconds of no signal input. Turns Pi off.
[16:45] <PipeDale> most installs should be like that
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[16:46] <hifi> most pi installs are not, unfortunately
[16:46] <hifi> but there is a good reason though
[16:47] <PipeDale> gordonDrogon: i power mine from my router :)
[16:47] <hifi> I do that too when I attach my pi to the TV
[16:47] <hifi> more realible than the TV
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[16:48] <hifi> yay, after doing rpi-update and rebooting the act led works and the sound module is loaded
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> PipeDale, yea - I was just reassemling my portable TV I use as a Pi monitor (it has been on loan to a friend) when I noticed the USB socket and thought ...
[16:48] <hifi> I found a portable TV from a flea market yesterday, it was priced at 8€, unfortunately it was an analog one without any external inputs
[16:48] <hifi> someone's selling dead weight
[16:49] <hifi> (there are no analogue broadcasts in finland anymore)
[16:49] <PipeDale> hifi: does install come with rasp-config?
[16:49] <hifi> PipeDale: you can apt-get install it
[16:49] <hifi> it's rather useless though
[16:49] <PipeDale> that's true
[16:50] <hifi> it's only useful for resizing your root with a desktop card
[16:50] <hifi> all the other tasks are easier to do by hand IMO
[16:51] <hifi> (and you don't need to do resizing with raspbian-ua-netinst)
[16:51] <PipeDale> so just chuck them files on a 8GB sd card
[16:51] <PipeDale> and away she flys
[16:51] <hifi> pretty much
[16:51] <hifi> you can follow it with a monitor if you want to
[16:51] <PipeDale> coz the .imf files partition sd card
[16:51] <PipeDale> img*
[16:51] <PipeDale> on windows
[16:52] <hifi> you have two options, either you rawrite/dd the image on the card or you format it as fat32 and extract the .zip
[16:53] <hifi> and as stated in the documentation you can customize it very extensively
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[16:58] <PipeDale> trying it now
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[17:00] <PipeDale> hifi: it's started :)
[17:00] <PipeDale> can you change what packages you want?
[17:01] <PipeDale> to like add nano?
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[17:05] <hifi> PipeDale: yes, create installer-config.txt and add packages=nano,foo,bar,baz
[17:05] <hifi> for extra packages
[17:05] <hifi> if you want to completely change the package set, you need to set cdebootstrap_cmdline
[17:06] <hifi> with post install configuration script you could go really far with customization to completely configure your system before the first boot
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[17:11] <PipeDale> hifi: i can ssh in
[17:11] <PipeDale> 11mins
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[17:12] <hifi> nice
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[17:13] <PipeDale> I'm impressed
[17:14] <hifi> you can also do remote reinstalls with it if you're careful
[17:14] <hifi> could imagine it being useful in a datacenter
[17:14] <hifi> if your installer-config.txt has your static ip config properly set it should be an easy way to wipe your system
[17:15] <PipeDale> yeah I've seen that :)
[17:15] <PipeDale> i'll try LOL
[17:16] <PipeDale> i guess just change this line
[17:16] <PipeDale> ip_addr=dhcp
[17:16] <PipeDale> to ip_addr=static
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[17:18] <hifi> oh, no, you need to actually configure your ip address if you're not using dhcp
[17:18] <hifi> I just said it as an example that in a datacenter you wouldn't use dhcp anyway
[17:18] <PipeDale> but i'd also have to change that line
[17:18] <hifi> so to do a remote reinstall without dhcp it should be possible
[17:18] <PipeDale> coz it would bitch?
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[17:19] <PipeDale> sorry
[17:19] <hifi> it's just network configuration
[17:19] <hifi> dhcp isn't normally used when you configure servers
[17:19] <hifi> if you just want to reinstall do what the doc says and reboot
[17:20] <PipeDale> hifi: so if i leave ip_addr=dhcp
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[17:20] <PipeDale> and put static IP
[17:20] <PipeDale> it'll work?
[17:21] <hifi> no
[17:21] <hifi> ip_addr= would be your static ip
[17:21] <PipeDale> yeah
[17:21] <hifi> you also need to set all the other stuff
[17:21] <PipeDale> I've filled it out
[17:21] <hifi> broadcast, netmask etc.
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[17:25] <PipeDale> hmmm
[17:25] <PipeDale> that didn't work
[17:25] <PipeDale> i left a space out LOL
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[17:57] <SpeedEvil> Somewhat off-topic. I'm searching for some balls. Specifically, a 1/2" ID ball bearing.
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[17:58] <SpeedEvil> Does anyone know of any vendor with a parametric selectror, that it would be sane to order - say - 5 from.
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> Somewhat - as this may eventually become pi related.
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[18:21] <davor> Are all 5V RasPi pins in?
[18:21] <davor> And 3V pins out?
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[18:22] <davor> 3V3*
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[18:34] <alesan> HALLO
[18:35] <IT_Sean> easy there... try decaf next time.
[18:35] <alesan> a friend of mine gave me a raspbery pi I wanted to use it to control a camera
[18:35] <mgottschlag> davor: the pi doesn't have any 5V pins except the power pin
[18:36] <IT_Sean> what kind of camera?
[18:36] <mgottschlag> everything else is 3.3V and should never be loaded with 5V
[18:36] <alesan> my question is: how do I install debian on it (or something similar that might be suggested) with all the gcc and dev tools?
[18:36] <alesan> IT_Sean, maybe a Canon A4000
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[18:36] <alesan> I can send it PTP commands using the libusb
[18:36] <IT_Sean> ah
[18:36] <IT_Sean> i see.
[18:37] <davor> mgottschlag, ah, I was looking at this http://elinux.org/images/2/2a/GPIOs.png
[18:37] <mgottschlag> alesan: you install raspbian instead of debian
[18:38] <davor> So the 3V3 pins output 3.3V, and 5V pins take 5V power?
[18:38] <mgottschlag> just a debian derivate which is compiled for the pi and has some extra pi-related packages
[18:38] <mgottschlag> davor: you can use the 5V pins to power the pi, but if you power the pi via usb, the pi outputs ~5V there
[18:38] <davor> Why are there two 5V pins though?
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[18:39] <Davespice> I guess so one can be an input making the other a pass through to something else maybe?
[18:39] <mgottschlag> two pins might be useful if you are powering the pi with a cable which is limited to <500mA per pin
[18:39] <mgottschlag> or something like that, yes
[18:39] <davor> Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!
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[18:40] <mgottschlag> (the conductor in many ribbon cables is tiny :D)
[18:40] <alesan> mgottschlag, what are the "some extra pi-related packages" ???
[18:40] <alesan> drivers and such?
[18:41] <davor> Ah hehe
[18:41] <mgottschlag> well, the bootloader package for example, and bootloader related tools
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[18:41] <mgottschlag> after all the pi boots through a proprietary bootloader on the GPU
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[18:42] <alesan> GPU?
[18:42] <mgottschlag> the drivers should be packaged with the kernel, like in every other debian based distribution
[18:42] <mgottschlag> there is a second processor on the pi next to the ARM core
[18:42] <mgottschlag> that processor is used for power management, sound, graphics etc
[18:42] <mgottschlag> and that one is actually the main processor which starts the system
[18:43] <alesan> ok so what do you suggest to install this "raspbian"?
[18:43] <mgottschlag> large parts of it are related to graphics, so it is usually just "the GPU"
[18:43] <mgottschlag> there is a sdcard image
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[18:43] <mgottschlag> just download that and dd it to the card
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[18:44] <mgottschlag> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads <- there is a link on that page
[18:45] <gman0> Hello, could someone please help me out? I have rpi model B, everything's wokring fine (I've been able to connect trough both network (ssh) and locally (hdmi->dvi + keyboard)) but suddenly a few minutes ago when I tried to connect my rpi trough hdmi there was no signal (notice that I'm still able to login trough ssh). I've tried setting hdmi_force_hotplug, config_hdmi_boost, hdmi_safe (in that order) and nothing seems to work.
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[18:46] <alesan> mgottschlag, but will I be able to disable the video output, the GPU and everything for a headless system?
[18:47] <mgottschlag> you can just uninstall the X server - it will still display a terminal on the analog output (if no hdmi screen is connected)
[18:47] <mgottschlag> gman0: you sound as if you already identified all possible error sources, but...
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[18:48] <mgottschlag> was the screen connected when you started the pi? is the screen cable plugged in correctly everywhere? :D
[18:48] <alesan> mgottschlag, I expect that if I can shutdown the video adapter the device will use much less energy
[18:48] <mgottschlag> (other than that and what you said, no idea, might just be damaged hardware)
[18:48] <mgottschlag> alesan: yeah, the problem is that you can't do that
[18:49] <gman0> mgottschlag: yes and yes
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[18:49] <mgottschlag> shouldn't be more than 0.1W saving though
[18:49] <gman0> mgottschlag: if it's hw problem then...well, fuck
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[18:49] <mgottschlag> gman0: you could always check whether you get data on the analog output though
[18:49] <mgottschlag> if so, then it might be a software problem
[18:50] <alesan> mgottschlag, but why, there should be a register that shuts down the video adapter no? How do you know the energy saving would be so low? Also, I expect the video adapter to read from memory at the rate necessary to refresh the video, so quite a noticeable load on the bus even if not used
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[18:51] <mgottschlag> hm, indeed
[18:51] <mgottschlag> but at 2W total power, it still won't be much
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[18:52] <gman0> mgottschlag: ok i'll try that (just to be clear, by analog output you mean the RCA video (the yellow connector))?
[18:52] <mgottschlag> yes
[18:53] <mgottschlag> heh, the internet says that model A can take as little as 0.8W :D
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[18:54] <gman0> well i guess it could be hw fault...the weather's super hot, i might have my hands a little bit sweaty...
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[18:56] <murple> What's the difference between GPIO.RISING and GPIO.FALLING?
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[19:00] <mgottschlag> murple: one is a rising edge (0V -> 3.3V), the other one a falling edge?
[19:02] <murple> mgottschlag: Yeah, that's what I thought, but it doesn't seem to be working that way for the moment. I'm trying to figure out whether a button is held down for 2 seconds within a callback function. if that makes any sense.
[19:02] <mgottschlag> maybe show some code
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[19:03] <alesan> mgottschlag, why the raspbian is distributed in zip format????
[19:03] <mgottschlag> because the image contains large parts which consist only of zeros
[19:04] <mgottschlag> the image would be more than twice the size of the zip
[19:04] <mgottschlag> (there is just the image in the zip, nothing more)
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[19:04] <hifi> alesan: there's also installers that do actual installation instead of pre-built images
[19:05] <alesan> hifi, pre-built is quite fine for me
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[19:06] <alesan> in fact, I think it is a great idea; the netinst of debian is pain if one wants to prepare a base rootfs
[19:06] <alesan> I wish there was a very stripped down pre-built image anyway, with no X and unnecessary stuff ;)
[19:06] <hifi> uhh
[19:06] <hifi> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[19:06] <chithead> debian netboot image is just kernel and initramfs
[19:07] <hifi> that's the minimal netinstaller you need
[19:07] <hifi> I need a big sign everywhere pointing to raspbian-ua-netinst
[19:07] <murple> mgottschlag: Here's my code: http://bpaste.net/show/gF6yPZoxkfXaeqVxQC93/
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[19:08] <hifi> that's better than very stripped down pre-built image
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[19:09] <murple> mgottschlag: My problem is detecting whether or not a button is beging held down (meaning GPIO.input(channel) == 0) for at least 2 seconds from within: def runMp3FtpMail(channel):
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[19:10] <alesan> hifi, I don't know, why would I want to have an interactive installation, just give me a stripped down image with no X... what is the advantage of the netinst?
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[19:10] <mgottschlag> murple: does no button work?
[19:10] <hifi> alesan: that's not interactive
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[19:10] <alesan> so it is not like debian's netinst?
[19:10] <hifi> no
[19:10] <murple> mgottschlag: All the buttons work just fine.
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[19:11] <mgottschlag> I mean, does any trigger your code?
[19:11] <hifi> it goes from cold boot to installed system with sshd running in around 12 minutes
[19:11] <murple> mgottschlag: I'm trying to add some functionality without having to add/use a specific button.
[19:11] <mgottschlag> murple: also, when you have a pullup, you connect the button to ground and want to detect falling edges
[19:11] <hifi> without any unecessary packages installed, and you can customize it 100%
[19:11] <mgottschlag> or did you connect the button to 3.3V?
[19:11] <alesan> hifi, but if I need to install 'n' systems...
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[19:11] <hifi> alesan: you could clone the installed system or run it for n systems
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[19:12] <murple> mgottschlag: More specifically, I'm trying to make it so that when you hold down any of the three buttons for more than 2 seconds, the raspberry pi powers down. Otherwize, there is no way of properly turning the device off.
[19:12] <mgottschlag> murple: how did you connect the buttons?
[19:12] <alesan> well why don't they distribute that image then ;) cloning the system is always problematic... they will share the same ssh server keys for example
[19:12] <murple> mgottschlag: All three buttons works. the callback function is called correctly.
[19:12] <alesan> I expect a pre-built image to create them at first boot
[19:12] <hifi> they do
[19:12] <hifi> at least raspbian images
[19:12] <mgottschlag> murple: huh, then what is the problem?
[19:13] <hifi> though I think you can install the ssh key generation package with raspbian-ua-netinst so the installed system would regenerate them on first boot anyway
[19:13] <murple> mgottschlag: The two first buttons are connected directly to ground because they ahve on board resistors and the third button is..also connected directly to ground I believe. That's not the problem though.
[19:13] <hifi> so you can make a single install to SD card first and then clone it
[19:13] <hifi> possibly
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[19:13] <murple> mgottschlag: heh. I want to do action A if a button is pressed briefly (normal press) and then do action B if a button is pressed for more than 2 seconds.
[19:13] <murple> It's that last bit that I'm ahving trouble implementing.
[19:14] <hifi> alesan: though, if it really doesn't fit your use case, then don't use it, I'm just offering it as an interesting alternative for minimal installs instead of badly made stripped down images
[19:14] <murple> For the callback function to fire, it seems I need to press AND release the button. So once the code runs my loop, the button is already released (and therefore it is never held for 2 seconds).
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[19:14] <mgottschlag> and you want to use the falling edge detection, or how does that connect to the RISING/FALLING question? :)
[19:14] <alesan> hifi, thanks!
[19:14] <murple> heh...
[19:14] <murple> well
[19:14] <mgottschlag> huh
[19:15] <alesan> hey but why would I want to buy the license keys for the codecs? I see those on the website
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[19:15] <mgottschlag> I don't think I really understand this
[19:15] <mgottschlag> because the code looks quite logical to me
[19:15] <murple> mgottschlag: okay, shall I recap briefly?
[19:15] <murple> it's really not that complicated.
[19:15] <murple> well that's good at least.
[19:15] <murple> for a moment, forget anything about 2 seconds
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[19:16] <mgottschlag> okay ^^
[19:16] <murple> I have three buttons which do three different actions when pressed via a callback function. I've used up ALL pins on my raspberry pi and everything works just fine.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> There are many ways to hang multiple pins on a button.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Other way round.
[19:17] <murple> Then I realize that there's no way to properly poweroff the raspberry pi (since this is an enclosed project and there will normally not be remote access to the box).
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> For example - one button pulls up - one button pulls down.
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[19:17] <alesan> mgottschlag, yes but the zipped version is 495MB; the xz version is 333MB or ~33% less
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> You poll the button every hundred ms by setting pullup/pulldown active
[19:18] <alesan> that is a HUGE saving; think of areas of the world that do not have a very good internet connectivity, it might take days for them to download the image
[19:18] <murple> So I thought to myself. I can "reuse" one of more of the buttons by detecting if a button is pressed for longer than 2 seconds.
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[19:19] <murple> So from within my callback function I introduce an "infinite loop". Execution of the loop breaks if A. The button has been released, in which case proceed with standard functionality or B. Two seconds elapse without the button being released in which case I want to poweroff the raspberry pi.
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[19:20] <ShorTie> gonna hafe to time the button push
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[19:21] <alesan> mgottschlag, so you said it's enough to dd the .img I have downloaded to the /dev/sddevicename and showel that into the raspberry pi to enable it?
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[19:21] <murple> mgottschlag: My problem is it seems that the callback function is only run after the button has been pressed AND released, which means the button has already been released when the loop starts and so it never detects it being pressed down for 2 seconds. (it's already released before it starts).
[19:21] <murple> mgottschlag: are you still with me?
[19:21] <mgottschlag> yes, hm
[19:21] <mgottschlag> alesan: should be enough
[19:21] <murple> ShorTie: What do you mean? Here's my code by the way in case you missed it: http://bpaste.net/show/gF6yPZoxkfXaeqVxQC93/
[19:22] <mgottschlag> murple: ah, of course
[19:22] <mgottschlag> as I said, you have to listen to *falling* edges
[19:22] <murple> hmm
[19:22] <mgottschlag> because your buttons are tied to ground, and a button press causes a logical 0 (GND)
[19:22] <mgottschlag> so your complete logic is the wrong way round
[19:22] <mgottschlag> your buttons are what is called "active low"
[19:22] <murple> mgottschlag: You might be on to something.
[19:23] <ShorTie> you lost me with #!/usr/bin/env python
[19:23] <murple> I think you're right. It seems so simple though.
[19:23] <murple> ShorTie: seriously?
[19:23] <ShorTie> i thought python was a snake
[19:24] <alesan> THANK YOU! bye
[19:24] <murple> ShorTie: That's just the thing! It's a snake too! It took me a while...
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[19:24] <murple> ShorTie: Seems like alesan finally got the point as well!
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[19:27] <murple> mgottschlag: Switching between GPIO.RISING/FALLING/BOTH doesn't seem to change anything? I don't understand why though.
[19:27] <ShorTie> be i still don't see any type of timer to measure how long button is pushed
[19:27] <mgottschlag> murple: did you also switch your time detection around?
[19:27] <mgottschlag> ah, no, that part is correct
[19:28] <murple> This is my current code: http://bpaste.net/show/5EVC5hEYsi8qjVho5EV4/
[19:28] <murple> ShorTie: In the if statement on line 20.
[19:28] <mgottschlag> "if GPIO.input(channel) == 0:" - this was previously correct
[19:28] <murple> ShorTie: "if (time() - startTime) >= 3:" means it will break if longer than 3 seconds.
[19:28] <mgottschlag> the button is not pressed when you have a 1
[19:29] <murple> errr
[19:29] <murple> I'm not going to try to think about it, I'm just going to test that.
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[19:30] <murple> Hah!
[19:31] <mgottschlag> murple: however, a maybe better way would be to use edge detection interrupts for both start and end of a button press
[19:31] <mgottschlag> (less CPU usage)
[19:31] <murple> My system is going down for system halt NOW!!
[19:31] <murple> mgottschlag: You were right! Everything was fine except for all the logic : )
[19:32] <murple> Using GPIO.FALLING and breaking when == 1 did the trick. That's all there was to it.
[19:32] <murple> At least I think so :)
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[19:33] <murple> mgottschlag: You're probably right, these buttons will only very rarely be pressed anyhow. I'm expecting maybe one button push every other week. So I wouldn't be saving very many cpu cycles by optimizing it.
[19:33] <murple> If it works correctly now, and I think it does, I'm definitely not changing anything else : )
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[19:39] <murple> mgottschlag: It seems to be working like a charm, I'm really grateful for your help!
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[19:39] <murple> mgottschlag: Thanks a lot!
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[19:43] <murple> bbl
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> phew. 6 ladder boards soldered up. onl another 6 to go..
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[20:07] <IT_Sean> GAH!
[20:08] <IT_Sean> The stuff i ordered won't be delivered until tomorrow. :/
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[20:08] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: Is it food, oxygen, water, heat, or shelter related?
[20:08] <IT_Sean> No.
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[20:09] <IT_Sean> But i ordered it last week.
[20:10] <IT_Sean> And when i see "one day shipping" i expect that means "you will get it within 48 hors of ordering" not "you will get it after a week, 'cause we are too lazy to ship it promptly"
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[20:11] <atouk> anity, peace of mind, and pursuit of happiness are all necessities. those shippers are infringing on Sean's freedoms and civil rights...
[20:11] <atouk> (sanity)
[20:12] <IT_Sean> Damn right!
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[20:17] <Firehopper> if I paid for something and used 1 day shipping, I expect it to be sent that day or the next day..
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[20:17] * Firehopper has one item that isnt expected to be shipped till sept/oct..
[20:17] <Firehopper> and I want it now anyway :)
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[20:25] <CeilingKitten> firehopper xD Udoo! me too
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[20:25] <Firehopper> yup :)
[20:25] <Firehopper> very much so
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[20:38] <hifi> if anyone here have tried or is currently using raspbian-ua-netinst, I would appreciate some comments on my thread so it doesn't completely drop off the radar http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=50310
[20:40] <PipeDale> hifi: i'm awaiting my comment to be accepted :)
[20:40] <hifi> cheers for that
[20:42] <PipeDale> no problems :)
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[20:42] <PipeDale> I'll just chuck bugs/issues at you :)
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[20:45] <EchoFox> i cant get my pi to output info to google docs.
[20:46] <EchoFox> ive followed the tutorial spot on
[20:46] <EchoFox> http://www.danielhansen.org/2013/03/raspberry-pi-temperature-logging-using.html
[20:46] <EchoFox> im wondering if it matters where i save the python script
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[21:21] <semitones> hey all
[21:21] <semitones> i'm going to run a quasselcore on my raspberry pi, for IRC. The SD card didn't like reading and writing so much. Would I be better off putting the IRC database on a usb flash drive?
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[21:24] <fiddlinmacx> semitones: Isn't flash memory in general a bad place to keep any kind of database or cache. Perhaps a proper harddisk would be better.
[21:24] <fiddlinmacx> How much space do you need? How fast do you need to read and write?
[21:24] <semitones> I'm sure it would. However I don't have that hardware sitting around
[21:25] <semitones> fiddlinmacx, it's not fast so much as often. When it was writing to the sd card, the load average would sometimes go above 2.0. I don't know how fast it needs to be able to read/write though
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[21:26] <fiddlinmacx> Could you write over the network or is that too much latency for this application?
[21:27] <semitones> too much latency
[21:27] <semitones> i'm looking to get latency down as much as possible so that the IRC lag is minimized
[21:27] <fiddlinmacx> Of course, using USB will also conflict with any network traffic because they're handled by the same controller.
[21:28] <fiddlinmacx> What kind of SD card do you have? Perhaps a faster one will serve you better?
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[21:30] <mgottschlag> actually, irc shouldn't create such large amounts of data that the flash durability is a problem
[21:31] <mgottschlag> so if the sdcard fails, you might really want to try an usb stick
[21:31] <mgottschlag> (although it really depends on how the data is laid out by the file system)
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[21:44] <davor> would someone mind mentioning me?
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[21:45] <IT_Sean> davor: No.
[21:45] <davor> thanks IT_Sean. hmmm
[21:45] <durango> So I'm trying to setup a barcode scanner on raspberry pi.. and when I plugin the scanner I see a new FD in /dev called "hidraw0", the problem is.. I can connect to it but I'm not getting the correct results... the scanner, unfortunately, is set at 9600 baudrate, databit is 8, parity is set to none, and stopbit is set to 1. I've even edited my /boot/cmdline.txt file to read @ 9600
[21:45] <davor> it seems my ZNC installation is missing a few modules
[21:46] <durango> Is there something else that I'm missing? Is there another way of just capturing all stdin from a speciifc usb device?
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[21:50] <mgottschlag> durango: what kind of data do you get in hidraw0?
[21:50] <durango> mgottschlag: well... it seems to be ascii/utf8
[21:50] <durango> technically the scanner is a keyboard
[21:50] <durango> so it just types in w/e in th ebash
[21:51] <durango> but the format would be "3-MID:4:10:hello:world"
[21:51] <mgottschlag> and what do you mean with "not getting the correct results"?
[21:51] <durango> but ill get like.. "3" may be "-" and then some empty chars
[21:51] <durango> ^^ :P
[21:51] <IT_Sean> sounds like a slight baud rate mismatch or something
[21:51] <mgottschlag> huh, this is usb, there is no baud rate
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[21:52] <durango> IT_Sean: thats what im afraid of :/ crap
[21:52] <mgottschlag> durango: you get raw USB HID packages, and I'd first check with a hexeditor that you are really getting the wrong data
[21:52] <durango> how can I get raw USB data?
[21:52] <mgottschlag> durango: is the scanner directly connected to usb, or is there any serial part inbetween?
[21:52] <IT_Sean> is the barcode reader not some sort of serial device ?
[21:52] <durango> IT_Sean: straight into the usb
[21:52] <mgottschlag> hidraw0 is a file which returns raw USB data
[21:52] <durango> mmm
[21:53] <mgottschlag> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/Documentation/hid/hidraw.txt
[21:53] <durango> and theres no baudrate or anything like that for hidraw0?
[21:53] <mgottschlag> no
[21:54] <mgottschlag> USB doesn't know the concept of "baud rate" at all, neither the USB standard nor the HID standard
[21:54] <davor> mind mentioning me again? this is the last time, it should work properly now
[21:54] <IT_Sean> Okay, disregard my comment. I thought you were using a serial deivce, not a USB device.
[21:54] <IT_Sean> davor:
[21:54] <durango> ah ok gotcha :)
[21:54] <davor> awesome, works like a charm. thank you :)
[21:55] <IT_Sean> Aye
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> why do RTC chip still use BCD internally...
[22:00] * RaycisCharles is now known as SirCrispinTheJew
[22:00] <IT_Sean> because it's cheaper than fairy dust and unicorn farts?
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[22:02] <gordonDrogon> wonder if I can convert without doing 2 divides by 10...
[22:02] <davor> is off-topic chitchat allowed?
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[22:02] <davor> it doesn't say anything in the chan rules, but I find a sense of mine tingling
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[22:02] <davor> *I'm finding
[22:02] <IT_Sean> davor: it is encouraged, in fact.
[22:02] <davor> oh? nice!
[22:02] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[22:03] <davor> then I shall share with you people an utterly useless thing that happened just a moment ago
[22:03] <davor> urbandictionary suggested I try looking my name up!
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[22:03] <davor> I was not disappointed. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Davor
[22:03] <davor> the definitions are not of foul language
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[22:04] <davor> to be honest I did not expect to find anything!
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[22:05] <davor> hmm... maybe I should have said, "utterly useless knowledge of a thing that happened"
[22:08] <GTRsdk> Is a Raspberry Pi still a good investment? Since there are A15 processors and such, would be be best to get a Pi, or something else?
[22:08] <mgottschlag> GTRsdk: depends on what you want to do
[22:09] <mgottschlag> for me, the advantage of the pi is its support for GPIO without needing weird adapters or external hardware
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[22:10] <gordonDrogon> GTRsdk, huge userbase now too - so plenty of people doing lots of things with it - even way outside what was originally thought possible too.
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[22:11] <IT_Sean> GTRsdk: you are asking that in #raspberrypi
[22:13] <GTRsdk> well I partially want one. I already have a stripped netbook which i use as a server, so I don't know if a Pi would add use...
[22:13] <sandman> I run a superserver with my pi, for what it's worth. DNS/DHCP/Fileserver/Webserver/Database Server/Caching proxy server, so on and so forth.
[22:13] <sandman> This pi is easily, by far, the best $35 I ever spent in my life.
[22:13] <sandman> And there are a lot of folks who feel the same way =)
[22:13] <davor> hear hear
[22:13] <johnc-> I love mine
[22:14] <sandman> We should have a pi party.
[22:14] <johnc-> I need to get a microphone for mine, any recommendations?
[22:14] <johnc-> (for the usb soundcard specifically)
[22:14] <sandman> We'll make a bunch of pies shaped like pi, and arrange them on a table in a perfect circle, determined and outlined using the pi.
[22:14] <sandman> It's a party, and we're all invited. Bring your friends =)
[22:15] <GTRsdk> Would a Pi have lower latency than a machine with a HDD?
[22:15] <sandman> GTRsdk: Latency as it relates to... filesystem access? Depends.
[22:16] <sandman> A good SD card may have extraordinarily low latency. But then again, a hybrid or solid state drive may have similar.
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[22:18] <sandman> I use my pi as a fileserver, among many other things, non-overclocked, and I've noticed no latency with it. I mean I'm sure there is, here and there, but for me it's so negligible I've never noticed.
[22:18] <GTRsdk> I've got a class 10 32 GB
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[22:18] <sandman> brb
[22:18] <GTRsdk> You can overclock a pi?
[22:18] <IT_Sean> yes, you can.
[22:19] <IT_Sean> pushing it to far can lead to fs corruption on your SD though
[22:19] <johnc-> I've been running stable at 1GHz for a while now
[22:19] <GTRsdk> nice
[22:19] <IT_Sean> nice.
[22:20] <GTRsdk> Doesn't fs corruption require a specific fs type?
[22:20] <IT_Sean> what?
[22:20] <johnc-> I have a 512mb model b, I think, in case that matters :)
[22:20] <IT_Sean> you think?
[22:20] <johnc-> well, a few of them :)
[22:20] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[22:21] <johnc-> IT_Sean: it's been a while since I bought them and I didn't really pay too much attention to the specifics
[22:21] <IT_Sean> when you have so many pis you can't keep track of their specs, you have too many Pis. Send me some, johnc-
[22:21] <johnc-> haha no I don't
[22:21] <IT_Sean> If you've got a Model A.. i'll take that one.
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[22:21] <johnc-> I'm using them as nodes in a home automation framework :)
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[22:23] <GTRsdk> With a model A, you can still use wifi from a USB adapter, right?
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[22:23] <gyeben> GTRsdk: yes, of course
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[22:25] <johnc-> IT_Sean: are there recommendations for usb soundcards that work easily with pi? I want to avoid buying something and later learning I needed to look at some obscure wiki list of known compatible hardware
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[22:27] <GTRsdk> My mother was interested in getting a Pi fax server for replacing the fax machine. Is this possible and relatively easy to set up?
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> do people stull use FAXes?
[22:27] <IT_Sean> people still use faxes?
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[22:27] <GTRsdk> yeah the local police and hospitals (my mother runs a newspaper)
[22:28] <IT_Sean> email. learn it. use it. love it.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> wow.
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[22:29] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: I once heard of a police station using FAX machines to send emergency alerts "instead of relying on telephones, which can become unavailable in an emergency"
[22:29] <GTRsdk> The goal would be to convert the incoming fax to a PDF or email so expensive printing methods wouldn't have to be used
[22:29] <IT_Sean> you would need a USB fax modem (not sure anyone makes such a thing any more) and a lot of coding
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[22:31] <nmpro> IT_Sean: umm.. doesn't fax machines typically use phone lines? lol
[22:31] <IT_Sean> EXACTLY!
[22:31] <nmpro> lol
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[22:32] <nmpro> GTRsdk: are you wanting to turn you pi into a fax machine? ;)
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> Lookup Hylafax for Linux FAX software. You'll need a usb modem.
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> I don't know anyone who uses a fax now.
[22:33] <GTRsdk> I'm going to guess that I'm the only one here who wants to do such a thing? :-)
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[22:34] <nmpro> well most companies have some sort of fax machine. Either phone line or fax to email ..
[22:34] <hifi> not really anymore
[22:34] <nmpro> GTRsdk: who am I to judge.. :) Sounds like a fun project..
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[22:34] <hifi> most enterprise companies probably :)
[22:35] <hifi> I haven't even seen a fax machine for many years
[22:35] <nmpro> I was going to say.. every single company I've ever worked for in my life has either had fax-to-email or old school fax machines.. ;)
[22:35] <hifi> though it's probably very regional
[22:35] <nmpro> I can see one from where I'm sitting at my desk.. lol
[22:35] <hifi> I guess in third world countries like the US they still use fax
[22:35] * hifi hides
[22:35] <nmpro> lol
[22:36] <nmpro> becoming 3rd world..
[22:36] <johnc-> US doesn't have proper infrastructure for fax technology
[22:36] <johnc-> it's a miracle phone calls work here
[22:36] * IT_Sean thumps hifi
[22:36] * hifi runs away from angry americans
[22:37] * nmpro just sits back and laughs
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[22:37] <GTRsdk> Unfortunately all of the googling I've done so far has returned stories of failure, not success
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> failures of the Pi?
[22:38] <nmpro> hifi: I heard Finland is the biggest Fax Manufacturer! lol .. j/k
[22:39] <hifi> :)
[22:39] <hifi> we produce paper!
[22:39] <GTRsdk> failures with a modem
[22:39] <nmpro> still running 110baud out there?
[22:39] <GTRsdk> on a pi
[22:39] <nmpro> ;)
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[22:39] <GTRsdk> " People have
[22:39] <SrRaven> does anyone here have the pi-cam?
[22:39] <GTRsdk> trouble with all sorts of USB devices because of the buggy hardware"
[22:39] <hifi> nmpro: still stuck at DSL though :(
[22:39] <nmpro> lol
[22:39] <GTRsdk> Is that true with the most recent revisions?
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> the usb is in a state of flux. it's not perfect, but the boffins at HQ are frantically working on it.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I've used serial devices over USB to 115200 baud with no real issues.
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[22:40] <hifi> and I even live in the city, seems the fiber is laid down to remote places with only few users and then the telephone companies complain their investments are for nothing
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[22:41] <gordonDrogon> and people are using the Ethernet daily (me) and wifi adapters and usb data sticks and disk drives. these things do work and for the most part the seem to work well.
[22:41] <SrRaven> I am wondering if I can use the Pi and Pi-cam to make a picture every second (or every 2) so I can make a "descent" slideshow
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> but sometimes something doesn't )-:
[22:41] <SrRaven> I want to record footage of my luthier experiences and dont really have a other camera
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[22:41] <gordonDrogon> SrRaven, someone was asking that earlier today - there is an option is raspisnap (or whatever its called) to take times pictures.
[22:42] <SrRaven> or I could attach a usb HD, record longer videos...right?
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[22:43] <SrRaven> as there will be loads of sawdust and the camera doesnt seem that protected, cant fuck it up too much right :s ?
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[22:44] <SrRaven> ...no swearing whoops :P
[22:44] <IT_Sean> Please familiarize yourself with the channel rules.
[22:45] <SrRaven> yeah just read them
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[22:45] <IT_Sean> Then please take care to follow them. Thank you.
[22:45] <SrRaven> Yeah i will
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[22:46] <SrRaven> just need to be sure that if I buy the pi-cam for that reason,its not a "wasted" purchase
[22:46] <GTRsdk> Is it possible to put a 64 GB SDXC card into the Pi?
[22:46] <SrRaven> I also may need some direct help here, I got a pi that i can relocate and I still havent figured something out I wanted to do first :/
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[22:48] <gyeben> GTRsdk: well, as far as I remember, *a few* 64GB SD cards work with the pi
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[22:50] <durango> if i receive data from HID such as an array: [ 0, 0, 33, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ] <-- how exactly do I parse that? Do I have to remove the first two elements as they are identifiers?
[22:51] <davor> is the capacitor charge rate equal to its discharge rate? (I'm thinking C=Q/V while I=Q/t)
[22:53] <davor> I'm pretty sure I can calculate its charge rate (t) with those formulas, if I, V and C are known, but is that value equal to a capacitor's discharge rate?
[22:53] <davor> *to its discharge rate
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[23:02] <davor> hm.
[23:03] <rikkib> I am pretty sure caps discharge and charge at the same rate.
[23:03] <murple> davor: I'm no expert, but I seem to remember that it is.
[23:03] <davor> thanks!
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[23:06] <GTRsdk> Since I've got slow internet, a caching server might actually be of interest...
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[23:06] <Vibe> hi
[23:06] <Vibe> I think I have big problem
[23:06] <GTRsdk> sandman: Are you able to cache youtube on your Pi?
[23:06] <ElTimo> Hey, is there any special procedure for getting NOOBS to boot?
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[23:07] <Vibe> couldn't do anything with my RPi, it said in read-only mode
[23:07] <ElTimo> I extracted it to the SD card, popped it in my pi and it won't do anything.
[23:07] <rikkib> W=V to the power of 2 * C/2
[23:07] <ElTimo> Raspbian works fine, as does OpenElec.
[23:07] <Vibe> so I booted it, and now crashing
[23:07] <ElTimo> Vibe: Check the read-write switch on the side of your SD card.
[23:08] <rikkib> W = joules9wats/second)
[23:08] <rikkib> V = Valts
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[23:08] <Vibe> tried to see partions with fdisk but it doesn't show anything..
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[23:08] <rikkib> C = Capacitance if farads
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[23:08] <rikkib> in
[23:09] <Vibe> ElTimo: no it's not locked
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[23:10] <ElTimo> Vibe: Sounds like it's dying :/
[23:10] <Vibe> damn
[23:10] <Vibe> " If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
[23:10] <Vibe> filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
[23:10] <Vibe> is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
[23:10] <Vibe> e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
[23:10] <Vibe> "
[23:10] <Vibe> its 4G card, what superblock I could use?
[23:11] <rikkib> My ARRL handbook make no mention of any difference between charge and discharge
[23:11] <ShorTie> the boot section of the card is stored in fat format i believe, not ext2
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[23:13] <Vibe> damn
[23:13] <Vibe> I have some important data in there..
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[23:14] <ShorTie> don't trust important data only to the rPi
[23:15] <ElTimo> ^^^
[23:16] <ozzzy> what's the difference security-wise between a pi and a laptop?
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[23:18] <ShorTie> file wise or some other security-wise ??
[23:19] <mgottschlag> Vibe: first, make a complete 1:1 backup
[23:19] <mgottschlag> then, it might be possible to restore the partitions if you know where they start/end
[23:20] <mgottschlag> if only small parts of the card are bad, then that should be possible
[23:20] <Vibe> mgottschlag: wondering if I can make backup when fdisk doesn't show anything
[23:20] <Vibe> maybe dd still works
[23:20] <mgottschlag> dd should work
[23:20] <Vibe> ok
[23:21] <mgottschlag> and if it doesn't, there are tools which behave like dd but skip bad sectors
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> ddrescue
[23:22] * ShorTie thinkz, and my luck thats where my data would be
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[23:34] <KBme> hi
[23:34] <Vibe> hmm ddrescue says no medium found :F
[23:35] <Vibe> I have only card reader on my n900, its set with "massstorage mode"
[23:35] <KBme> hello
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[23:36] <KBme> i am getting a weird error in the syslog when using tvservice: http://pastebin.com/NB70dUjL
[23:36] <KBme> this is on openelec 3.0 latest, i haven't tested with official images yet
[23:37] <KBme> does anyone know where I should look for the problem?
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[23:38] <davor> what's the maximum current a GPIO input pin can tolerate?
[23:39] <Vibe> hmm something wrong with the n900 card reader also..
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[23:40] <ShorTie> input and current don't really go together
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[23:41] <ShorTie> current is created be the resistance of the drawing circuit
[23:42] <davor> let me rephrase then
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[23:43] <davor> if I connect a 3.3V pin to a GPIO input pin, what minimum resistance must I use to not blow the Pi up
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[23:44] <SpeedEvil> davor: 470 ohms is probably nice and safe.
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[23:44] <Wiisel> Hey, before I blow anything up what one is correct? A,B or Quit Now?
[23:44] <Wiisel> http://tinypic.com/r/vniijt/5
[23:45] <davor> thanks SpeedEvil
[23:45] <ShorTie> you mean like with a switch, or directly from 1 to the other ??
[23:45] <mgottschlag> Wiisel: you need a blue button
[23:46] <mgottschlag> otherwise, doesn't matter
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[23:46] <guen_> hello everybody
[23:46] <ShorTie> 10k, like it says in that picture is good
[23:47] <KBme> so � I can see debugging tvservice is hopeless since it's part of the broadcom firmware package � right? is there any kind of support for it?
[23:47] <ShorTie> in that case, your using the resister as a curent limitor
[23:47] <guen_> is there anyone here with is using pibanglinux?
[23:47] <guen_> *with=who
[23:48] <Wiisel> actually I was gonna use a blue button on B, cheers :)
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