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IRC Log for 2013-08-03

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[0:16] <SpeedEvil> PipeDale: You're lucky.
[0:16] <SpeedEvil> PipeDale: It killed my DSL line (not my modem) for a week
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[0:25] <nmpro> SpeedEvil: ouch.. I would say taking out the modem would be preferable to the whole line having to be replaced.. but either way it sucks that's for sure!
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[0:26] <SpeedEvil> I habitually unplug modem when lightning gets to within 3km
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> But unplugging hte other end is harder
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[0:26] <nmpro> lol.. true!
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> Ended up with 500M to last a week - which was unpleasant.
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[0:40] <rikkib> Choice... Found the software for the two ConnexLink 4424 2.4GHz RS232 to wireless links I scrounged from the tear down bin at Computer Recycling Ltd.
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[0:42] <nmpro> SpeedEvil: what do you mean 500M to last a week? is your service metered?
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> I have a one gig £7.50/mo mobile contract.
[0:42] <nmpro> ahh
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> I had half of that left hen my DSL died.
[0:42] <nmpro> I see..
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[0:44] <plugwash> Is it one of those contracts with insane overage charges?
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[0:47] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: The first gig is £7.50.
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> The next is £105
[0:48] * plugwash has seen worse but that is still pretty horrible
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> 'three' - UK
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[0:50] <nmpro> that's criminal especially consider I can burn through that watching one vid stream.. :(
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[1:06] <SpeedEvil> Especially when there isn't a way to buy extra quota on that account.
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> Sillily - I've now gone with PAYG with their new option - which is much better.
[1:07] <SpeedEvil> It's 1p/meg - plus 150m free when you topup.
[1:07] <SpeedEvil> And doesn't expire.
[1:08] <SpeedEvil> So, unless I regularly used over 800 meg or so - and under 1G - the contract is a more expensive option. Even if no accidental overages occur. And I can buy one months unmetered for £15
[1:10] <JakeSays> SpeedEvil: thats way complicated. here in the US bandwidth billing is much simpler - you just pay one outrageous price.
[1:10] <PipeDale> SpeedEvil: three is great for internet in UK
[1:10] <PipeDale> Unlimited on most contracts, go out the EU you deffo pay for roaming
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[1:11] <PipeDale> for 15 emails, i paid �42 :\
[1:11] <JakeSays> dang
[1:11] <PipeDale> when i was in Egypt
[1:11] <JakeSays> heavy email
[1:11] <PipeDale> JakeSays: nah just roaming charges
[1:11] <ozzzy> when I was in egypt there was no such thing as email
[1:11] <JakeSays> i was in egypt for 6 hours once.
[1:12] <ozzzy> I was there for 6 months
[1:12] <CeilingKitten> i've never travelled =| i just pay $30 for unlimited mobile data
[1:12] <PipeDale> I pay �20 for 56mb down, 15mb up unlimited
[1:12] <JakeSays> CeilingKitten: same here - however at&t's definition of unlimited is suspect
[1:13] <PipeDale> so not gonna moan :)
[1:13] <CeilingKitten> JakeSays, I have to adhere to a 10GB fair usage policy
[1:13] <CeilingKitten> after 10gbs it gets slow and you have to buy a premium data addon
[1:13] <ozzzy> I pay $65... unlimited down... unlimited up
[1:13] <PipeDale> brb
[1:13] <JakeSays> unlimited means no tethering :(
[1:13] <JakeSays> which is a load of crap
[1:13] <PipeDale> ozzzy: what speeds?
[1:13] <ozzzy> hehe... not mobile
[1:13] <ozzzy> 6mb down 1mb up
[1:14] <PipeDale> I was on that speed not long ago
[1:14] <PipeDale> was paying �9.99
[1:14] <PipeDale> unlimited
[1:14] <JakeSays> i pay $40'ish for 40mb down 20mb up
[1:14] <CeilingKitten> im on that speed ozzzy =)
[1:14] <JakeSays> (at home that is)
[1:14] <CeilingKitten> lol PipeDale way to make us feel bad
[1:14] <CeilingKitten> xP
[1:15] <PipeDale> CeilingKitten: i guess the UK is cheaper for home ADSL/Fibre
[1:15] <ozzzy> I could double the speed for a few dollars... but why bother
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[1:15] <PipeDale> Don't USA have like VDSL?
[1:15] <JakeSays> i had cable, was paying $85 for 50mb up/down, then switched to adsl. in five years of cable it was down once. in three months of adsl its been down 8 times
[1:16] <CeilingKitten> ozzzy, meh its only good to get more speed if you have other users bogging the network
[1:16] <PipeDale> JakeSays: i guess with that speed it's just ADSL1
[1:16] <CeilingKitten> JakeSays, ADSL here, only goes down once every few months planned maintenance and they email weeks before at do it all between 3am-6am
[1:16] <JakeSays> PipeDale: its adsl-sucks.
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[1:17] <JakeSays> i'll be glad when i get google fiber
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[1:17] <PipeDale> I dislike that hostname that's just joined
[1:17] <CeilingKitten> I'd love google fiber, but i would want to VPN everything
[1:17] <PipeDale> Bethere.co.uk :\
[1:17] <JakeSays> CeilingKitten: who is your provider?
[1:17] <plugwash> iirc I pay about £30 per month for internet (plus £15 per month for phone which is mandatory with the internet service I have) but that is an "up to 76Mbps" package
[1:18] <PipeDale> plugwash: what country?
[1:18] <plugwash> UK
[1:18] <PipeDale> which ISP?
[1:18] <plugwash> sky
[1:18] <CeilingKitten> JakeSays, not UK though sadly (TekSavvy)
[1:18] <PipeDale> Ewww
[1:18] <PipeDale> I've just left Sky.
[1:18] <JakeSays> what other country uses pounds?
[1:18] <ozzzy> to triple my speed is only $10/m
[1:18] <JakeSays> CeilingKitten: i'm not in the uk either
[1:18] <ozzzy> or I could go to fibre for and extra $20/m
[1:19] <JakeSays> i'd go fiber
[1:19] <JakeSays> big time
[1:19] <PipeDale> plugwash: i was with BEthere till i found out Sky took over
[1:19] <ozzzy> naw... I'm happy with what I have
[1:19] <JakeSays> had fiber 6 years ago - 100mb up/down
[1:19] <PipeDale> now on Proper Yorkshire Broadband :p
[1:19] <CeilingKitten> JakeSays,
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[1:19] <CeilingKitten> oops
[1:19] <JakeSays> rdp was so fast.. felt like i was on the physical machine
[1:19] <CeilingKitten> fiber at home 6 years ago?
[1:20] <JakeSays> yes
[1:20] <CeilingKitten> >_> wow, here only businesses in major cities had fiber
[1:20] <plugwash> well i'm not sure how they compare to other FTTC services but this service is sure as hell faster than anything i've had at home before, especially the upload speed (which is honestly the main reason I went for the service)
[1:20] <CeilingKitten> we're only just getting residential fiber now
[1:20] <JakeSays> there are several cities around here that wired fiber to every home
[1:21] <plugwash> Yeah, arround the world some telcos seem to be going straight for FTTH while others seem to be going to FTTC as an intermediate step
[1:21] <PipeDale> plugwash: i've heard bad about Sky Fibre in town.
[1:21] <CeilingKitten> rather than upgrade the network they spent their money fighting smaller free-er isp's, and lobbying, and setting up traffic shappping
[1:21] <PipeDale> I have TV/Phone with sky though
[1:22] <JakeSays> anybody here have experience configuring redis? wondering how difficult it is
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[1:27] <JakeSays> lol oops. wrong channel.
[1:27] <JakeSays> no wonder no one was responding
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[1:29] <plugwash> I do seem to be having some reliability issues, i'm not sure if they are down to the sky service or the new powerline network gear
[1:29] <SpeedEvil> JakeSays: Bermuda?
[1:30] <plugwash> (I replaced the powerline network gear I had when I switched because the old stuff was too slow)
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[1:30] <JakeSays> SpeedEvil: wut?
[1:30] <SpeedEvil> Also uses pounds.
[1:30] <SpeedEvil> IIRC
[1:30] <JakeSays> ah ok
[1:31] <CeilingKitten> I always wondered about powerline networking ....
[1:31] <CeilingKitten> I can't imagine it would beat regular Cat5e
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[1:32] <SpeedEvil> It does.
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[1:32] <SpeedEvil> If you would otherwise have to run cat5.
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[1:32] <CeilingKitten> Lol i meant on speed, not convienence
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[1:32] <SpeedEvil> This can be really, really expensive in some properties
[1:32] <CeilingKitten> touche though
[1:33] <JakeSays> lol
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[1:33] <plugwash> The trouble is it's a rented property, no easy way to get cables between rooms without damaging stuff
[1:34] <plugwash> if I owned the place a drill would have been involved by now............
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[1:34] <PipeDale> plugwash: or run in down cavity?
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[1:35] <plugwash> even if you could pull cables through the walls you'd still have to drill access holes
[1:36] <plugwash> and the floor is solid
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[1:36] <CeilingKitten> >.> surely your landlord would thank you for bringing the place into the modern century =O
[1:36] <plugwash> it may be possible to sqqueeze a cable under the carpet through the edge of the doorways, not sure
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[1:37] * CeilingKitten is not allowed to wreck property either, and has to keep all computing equipment in the same room, because she dislikes wifi.
[1:37] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: you can take a cat5 cable, chop off the insulation, and then run the individual pairs seperately
[1:37] <CeilingKitten> I've tucked one cord under the baseboard near the carpets edge it can be done tiddy and neat most of the time
[1:38] <SpeedEvil> This makes it ~2mm thick, not ~6
[1:38] <atouk> remove floor molding, drill through wall in area that would be concealed. run wires, replace molding
[1:38] <SpeedEvil> Spread them out over a couple of centimeters on duct tape
[1:38] <plugwash> floor moulding? if you mean the skirting board I wouldn't like to even try removing that unless I was planning to redecorate the place
[1:39] <CeilingKitten> dry wall knife a big hole in the wall put a raspberry pi in the wall with wifi dongle, configure it for network sharing, put a cate5 keystone jack and wallplate overtop of said hole, now you have wireless ethernet
[1:39] <PipeDale> we lay cat5 in most our new builds
[1:39] * CeilingKitten worst plan ever award winner
[1:39] <PipeDale> i've done 2 new houses, everyroom had a socket for internet
[1:40] <atouk> own my house. own building business is in. holes. holes everywhere...
[1:40] <CeilingKitten> PipeDale, i plan to make sure my future house has ethernet sockets
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[1:42] <PipeDale> CeilingKitten: wise move
[1:42] <PipeDale> or use wireless?
[1:43] <CeilingKitten> not a fan of it, almost impossible to secure, slow compared to gigabit
[1:43] <CeilingKitten> and for the tinfoil hatters some believe its unhealthy, also BBC says so too
[1:44] <CeilingKitten> but more importantly its slower than gigabit and impossible to secure
[1:45] <CeilingKitten> impossible by normal people standards anyways o-o
[1:47] <blakespot> Homepage updated http://blakespot.com
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[1:48] <linuxstb> PipeDale: Only one per room?
[1:50] <CeilingKitten> linuxstb, how many do you recommend lol :) ?
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[1:51] <linuxstb> At least twice as many as you can imagine needing today. And put them on more than one wall in case you decide to rearrange the room.
[1:52] <linuxstb> Basically, you can't have too much cat5 in your house ;)
[1:52] <linuxstb> Use it for phone lines. Use two together to distribute HDMI. etc etc
[1:52] <CeilingKitten> ah well linuxstb i guess technically you are right because the spare cat5 could be run to relays and raspberrypis lol
[1:53] <CeilingKitten> endless possibilities
[1:53] <PipeDale> linuxstb: yes woudn't need anymore?
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[1:57] <plugwash> Sometimes I wonder if one would be better off with some sort of conduits/ducts
[1:57] <plugwash> At the very least if I was completely refurbishing a property i'd want to put in cat6
[1:58] <plugwash> IIRC 10GBASE-T doesn't officially work on cat5e (though i've heard some vendors claim otherwise)
[1:59] <atouk> in the house i actualy used pvc pipe as guides from teh basement to each room where i had those socket covers where you just snap in whichever type conection you need. the plates too 4 snapins so I did tel, net, cable, and one blank
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[2:03] <davor> hm, I need to run two RCA male-male cables, each 8 metres long. it seems this is quite a distance. what type of cable should/could I use to avoid signal degradation
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[2:07] <plugwash> depends on what signals they are carrying............
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[2:08] <davor> just audio
[2:08] <davor> one for each channel
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[2:10] <plugwash> Personally I'd just use basic screened audio cable but then i'm not an audiophile..........
[2:12] <Firehopper> geeks.com is shutting down, *waves goodbye to a good place for cheap electronic stuff*
[2:14] <davor> yeah I don't know if I would even notice anything at all plugwash
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[2:20] <PipeDale> wb Phosie
[2:21] <PipeDale> plugwash: did you get a choice of 3days for bt to come install fibre?
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[2:23] <plugwash> not explicitly, the person from sky gave a date and asked if it was ok, I said yes
[2:23] <plugwash> I presume if i'd have said no they would have suggested a later date
[2:24] <plugwash> though mine was perhaps a slightly unusual case because I was moving from virgin so they were also "installing" the BT line at the same time
[2:25] <plugwash> "installing" as in there was already a line physically here but I had no idea if it was usable or not (turns out it was though they had to move the master socket to get it in a suitable location for the VDSL modem)
[2:25] <plugwash> (note: sky advertise it as "fiber" but it's really a fiber to the cabinet service)
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[2:39] <Biganon> Hi :) I drew too much current from my Pi and it rebooted. Is it possible that I've damaged it ?
[2:40] <UnaClocker> Possble, eh, in the strictest sense of the word. Likely, heck no.
[2:40] <atouk> if it rebooted, maybe not
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[2:47] <Biganon> kay
[2:47] <Biganon> was wondering because "now" lighttpd takes a good 3 minutes to start
[2:48] <Biganon> (I say "now" in quotes because it might have been the same before, I didn't benchmark)
[2:48] <PipeDale> plugwash: yeah i got an extension cable, so modem can be 30 from master socket
[2:49] <plugwash> In my case the BT guy converted some previous extension wiring to be pre-master socket wiring and then added more pre master socket wiring to a new master socket location
[2:50] <PipeDale> i had to pick 3 dates n tie slots
[2:50] <PipeDale> i guess plusnet will pick one?
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[2:51] <plugwash> dunno
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[2:52] <PipeDale> sky offering static IP's yet?
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[2:52] <PipeDale> or they dynamic still?
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[2:54] <plugwash> Honestly I never checked
[2:55] <plugwash> but I suspect it's dynamic, though I have heard they are talking about offering static for ex BE customers
[2:55] <plugwash> dunno if they will expand that to other customers
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[3:03] * SpeedEvil is llegedly getting his exchnge upgraded sometime 2014
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[3:10] <Phosie> been nearly an hour but only just seen the wb. Thanks plugwash =)
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[3:16] <Phosie> I'm thanking you for the wb
[3:16] <plugwash> umm what do you mean?
[3:17] <Phosie> "welcome back" "thank you"
[3:17] <Phosie> Nevermind lol
[3:17] <Phosie> it was an hour ago
[3:18] <plugwash> the thing is i've scrolled back through the last hour or so and i'm not seeing it...................
[3:18] <Phosie> ahh dammit, I read it wrong. Sorry!
[3:18] <Phosie> Thank you PipeDale
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[3:51] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/9424033127/ < results of me trying to paint with light :)
[3:51] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/9424026867/
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[4:45] * Phosie wants to try light painting now
[4:46] <pksato> with camera module?
[4:46] <Phosie> I don't have the module. I have a usb webcam though.
[4:46] <Phosie> Which wont work :P
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[4:47] <Phosie> I could just use my digital camera.
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[5:29] <ParkerR> So I threw a webcam and LED inside an altoids tin and made a barcode scanner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oJKWyOADf0 (Now I just need to bundle this with the Pi)
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[5:35] <Phosie> cool stuff ParkerR
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[5:35] <Phosie> I'm impressed with the speed of it.
[5:36] <ParkerR> Phosie: thanks. Had an Eyetoy camera laying around and finally figured out something to do with it
[5:36] <ParkerR> Phosie: Yeah that's why it has to be at 320x240. Higher FPS with the camera
[5:37] <Phosie> Was it simple to do? I also have an Eyetoy camera laying around doing nothing.
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[5:37] <ParkerR> Phosie: Not too bad. One sec I have a photo
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[5:38] <ParkerR> Phosie: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71679/light.jpg
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[5:38] <alesan> hallo'
[5:39] <alesan> what is minumum voltage for raspberry-pi???????
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[5:39] <ParkerR> 5 is recommended. Minimun is about 4.7 - 4.8
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[5:40] <alesan> so no chance to have it running at 4.15V?
[5:40] <Phosie> That's really cool ParkerR, I might look into doing something similar
[5:40] <Phosie> I really doubt it alesan
[5:40] <alesan> but why?
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[5:40] <alesan> what is on the bord that required 5V?
[5:41] <ParkerR> Because the Pi starts to have issues that low
[5:41] <Phosie> the processor
[5:41] <ParkerR> USB hub
[5:41] <Phosie> well, usb
[5:41] <Phosie> cpu is 3.3
[5:41] <alesan> I doubt any part of the chip work at 5V but the USB phy
[5:42] <piney0> IIRC, hdmi is 5v too
[5:42] <alesan> mh
[5:42] <alesan> oh OK - I won't use HDMI that is why I did not consider it
[5:42] <alesan> it would be great to have a version without HDMI or audio
[5:43] <alesan> and smaller in size
[5:43] <Phosie> surely it would be easier to just get a 5v power supply.
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[5:44] <alesan> Phosie, how can you assume that?
[5:45] <ParkerR> Because they are very easy to find
[5:45] <alesan> maybe if you use it in your home on the desk
[5:45] <Phosie> Well, do you want the raspberry foundation to make the board, or do it yourself?
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[5:46] <alesan> not at the top of the mountain, with a high rate of lightings and voltage spikes, for which reason one needs a hardened power supply and there is another device that costs several times the raspbery pi that works at 3.7V nominal, 4.15 maximum
[5:46] <ParkerR> alesan: if your 4.15v has a high enough current, you could use a step uo converter
[5:46] <ParkerR> *up
[5:47] <alesan> ParkerR, that is not the problem, I get 12V there
[5:47] <ParkerR> alesan: You just answered your own question "costs several times the Pi"
[5:47] <alesan> but I'll have to use two separate voltage regulator
[5:47] <ParkerR> They put better parts in it and made a thought to low power
[5:48] <alesan> not necessarily, it's a part made to be powered by li-ion battery
[5:48] <alesan> anyway
[5:48] <Phosie> Two voltage regulators would still be cheaper.
[5:48] <alesan> honestly money is not really a problem (within limits)
[5:49] <alesan> but the number of components is, as a failure would be quite expensive in terms of time and resources to fix
[5:49] <alesan> so I was trying to keep the component count to a minimum
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[5:49] <alesan> it's apparently not possible - so I will probably find a comprimise
[5:49] <alesan> but do not assume that things are "easy" :)
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[5:50] <ParkerR> Do not assume the Pi can do lower thab 5v just because it doesn;t look like it
[5:50] <ParkerR> *it looks like it
[5:50] <ParkerR> Things have set specification for a reason.
[5:50] <ParkerR> +s
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[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> If you don't need usb or ethernet you might be ok
[5:51] <alesan> that is why I was asking
[5:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Ethernet seems to be the first thing to go wrong if you're significantly under 5v. Then you start getting kernel panics and such
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[5:52] <ParkerR> A Model A might work with a bit lower power
[5:53] <ParkerR> *a slight bit lower power
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[5:55] * Phosie hopes her chip is shipped today.
[5:56] <ShiftPlusOne> You're a robot? D= (I'll get my coat)
[5:56] <Phosie> Haha!
[5:56] <ParkerR> Phosie: :D (Also I should stop assuming everyone I talk to on IRC is a guy)
[5:57] <Phosie> Rearrange my nick and you get Sophie :)
[5:57] <ParkerR> Heh
[5:57] <alesan> ShiftPlusOne, well OK :) I need Eth and USB only, and a GPIO, so I guess I'll have to run at nominal voltage, no problem
[5:58] <alesan> I was just hiping it'd work at 4V without major issues but that is not the case
[5:58] <Phosie> Anyyhow, brb need to reboot.
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[5:58] <alesan> anyway, can I avoid the pernicious micro-USB connector? can i apply power directly to the input caps, I think C6?
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[5:59] <ParkerR> You can power it through GPIO
[5:59] <ShiftPlusOne> alesan, just take a look at the schematics.
[5:59] <ParkerR> It has a 5v input pin
[5:59] <ShiftPlusOne> alesan, if you go through gpio, you're bypassing some protection though, so be careful.
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[6:00] <cougnut> hey I have a pre-loaded RRI sdcard which is having kernel panic problems right at boot.. am I going to have to re-install the OS to the sdcard to fix this issue?
[6:00] <alesan> I wouldn't go through GPIO, that does not look good, I think applying power to a place electrically and topologically identical to the micro-usb is better :)
[6:01] <alesan> why did they choose such connector, micro-usb instead of a regular DC jack?
[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> in that case, go to the schematics and see what works best for you.
[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> alesan, they were going to go with a regular dc jack, but people went on about how they are hard to find and how usb chargers are all over the place and so on, so they changed it.
[6:02] <cougnut> I bought a "MyCharger" battery to power my RPI. I left it on till the battery died.. and I'm thinking that was the problem, or it might of been from pulling the power on the device while the OS was running.
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[6:03] <Phosie> That's better.
[6:04] <ParkerR> cougnut: Pulling the power can cause SD corruption. The card is most likely still ok. Just reflash and you should be good
[6:04] <cougnut> am I going to lose all my data on the card?
[6:04] <cougnut> most likely..
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> cougnut, yup
[6:04] <cougnut> :(
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> most definitely, so back up what you need
[6:04] <cougnut> thanks
[6:07] <alesan> cougnut, well try to fsck it first no?
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[6:07] <alesan> wait
[6:07] <alesan> I am talking about things I do not know - can you fsck the SD from a regular laptop?
[6:07] <ShiftPlusOne> a regular laptop running linux, yes
[6:07] <cougnut> alesan: I cannot get that far..
[6:07] <cougnut> ah.. yes
[6:08] <cougnut> good thinking.
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[6:09] <Phosie> Oh goody, my chip and SD card are supposed to arrive on the same day. :D
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[6:14] <ParkerR> Phosie: funny thing about the scanner. The battery pack for the LED is a 4 x AAA, but with a 100ohm resistor as on of the batteries. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71679/resistor.jpg
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[6:14] <ParkerR> *one
[6:15] <Phosie> Heh! Awesome.
[6:15] <Phosie> I would have never thought of that.
[6:17] <ParkerR> Phosie: also hooray for completely not knowing the specs of the LED and just choosing a vase 100ohms
[6:17] <ParkerR> *base
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[6:19] <Phosie> I love it.
[6:19] <Phosie> I can see myself doing the shopping, and then scanning everything when I get home.
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[6:23] <ShiftPlusOne> scanning? what are you guys doing?
[6:24] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oJKWyOADf0
[6:24] <ParkerR> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71679/light.jpg
[6:25] <Phosie> Barcode scanner.
[6:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[6:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ParkerR, the topic of doing this on a pi came up and a few people said it might not have the resources for it. What do you think?
[6:27] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne: oh it definitely should work. zbar-tools in the package
[6:27] <ParkerR> zbarcam doing live cpature and zbarimg being able to process already taken images
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[6:28] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne: I can try too. Just need to make a card for the Pi
[6:28] <ShiftPlusOne> that's what I said too, but wasn't sure.
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[6:31] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne: zbarcam also has a --nodisplay option. So you can do it in just a plain tty
[6:31] <ParkerR> In that case you just need to know that the camera is in focus
[6:32] <ParkerR> Like in my case. A nice setup that will always be the right focus
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> makes sense
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[6:33] <ParkerR> dd'ing my card to a backup
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[6:34] <ParkerR> Times like this is when I love linux. Such a simple command that does so much
[6:36] <Phosie> I see what you mean about the focus thing. Just trying zbarcam on my netbook
[6:36] <tzarc> next time two dd's and a pv in the middle for a progress bar ;)
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[6:37] <ShiftPlusOne> pv is a little useless for dd
[6:37] <ParkerR> tzarc: heh never thought of that. If I ever just want to check progress I run sudo pkill -USR1 dd in another tty
[6:37] <ShiftPlusOne> the pkill command works much better
[6:37] * tzarc shrugs
[6:38] <tzarc> we need to burn things to CF quite often at work, easier just knocking up a shell function and forgetting about it all
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[6:44] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: You around? Had a question about being able to set ALTX modes with the gpio tool and loading/unloading the serial port driver...
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[6:46] <Essobi> ShiftPlusOne: In some DDs I think ctrl-t will drop a similar message to USR1...
[6:46] <Essobi> Not sure if gnu does or not..
[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> that's good... the usr1 thing is a bit silly.
[6:46] <tzarc> tends to be on OSX
[6:47] <tzarc> linux hasn't done so, as far as I've seen
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[6:53] <Essobi> tzarc: Think it's a BSD/SYSV thing.
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[7:07] <Phosie> "Raspberry pi microwave" O.o
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[7:29] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne, WOrs great
[7:29] <ParkerR> *Works
[7:29] <ParkerR> Phosie, Yes. That project is so cool
[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
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[7:30] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne, luckily the Pi has the 0v519 driver for this camera :)
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[7:30] <ParkerR> *kernel has the
[7:30] <ParkerR> *ov519
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[8:24] <[Saint]> Not exactly pi-related, but, does anyone have any experience with small, reasonably high-resolution, battery-powered GPS?
[8:25] * [Saint] wishes to track the daily movements of a member of the feline species.
[8:25] <ParkerR> [Saint], buy a car battery, Pi, GPS module, and strap it all to the cat
[8:25] <ParkerR> You will definitely know where it is
[8:26] <ParkerR> (In the same place you put it on XD)
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[8:26] <[Saint]> Hahahaha
[8:26] <ParkerR> I know it's bad to laugh at your own jokes
[8:26] <ParkerR> HAHA
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[8:27] <[Saint]> My cat disappears every day between 6am and 10pm, its been bugging me - I wanna know what the tiny freeloader is up to.
[8:27] <[Saint]> And I wanted GPS, as everything else requires some effort on my part.
[8:28] <[Saint]> (climbing through peoples yards with a large aerial may arouse suspicion in the neighbors)
[8:29] <ParkerR> [Saint], Geiger counter and a small amount of uranium. Cat might lose a few lives but it should work
[8:31] <[Saint]> Maybe he has a girlfriend, ...or a "Daytime Family", I dunno. He is getting fat.
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[8:32] <ShiftPlusOne> an ebay search for gps logger returns a fair bit.
[8:32] <[Saint]> Aha. Maybe my search terms were failing me.
[8:33] <[Saint]> I found a couple that seemed ok, but reviews claimed terrible accuracy.
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[8:36] <[Saint]> It also needs to be essentially disposable, though. Cheap enough I won't cry myself to sleep if I don't get it back. :)
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[8:36] <[Saint]> I'm sure I'll find something eventually.
[8:37] <ShiftPlusOne> They seem to start at $50. I don't know what your cat's private life is worth to you.
[8:37] <[Saint]> It occured to me that someone else may think he is "their cat", and wonder at his electronic attachment and remove it.
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[8:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, then stick an explanation that you're stalking this cat and you would like the tracking device back if someone finds it.
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[8:41] <[Saint]> I may end up building one actually. Might be fun.
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> As long as it doesn't exceed your cat's carrying capacity O_o
[8:44] <[Saint]> Well...possibly s/building/buying something else and pulling it to bits and kludging something together from it/
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[8:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[8:53] <ParkerR> [Saint], Umm well crazy idea. Have an spare iPhone you can strap to it? The GPS is fairly accurate and is all one package
[8:53] <ParkerR> *a spare
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[8:54] <ParkerR> And it could be checked remotely :P
[8:54] <[Saint]> That's rather a lot larger than I was planning. :)
[8:55] <ShiftPlusOne> The gps data loggers seem to be about the size of a phone anyway
[8:55] <[Saint]> most of that seems to be battery.
[8:55] <[Saint]> for weeks and weeks of battery backup.
[8:56] <[Saint]> I need less than a day.
[8:56] <[Saint]> there's some tiny ones out there, but they have awful resolution in an urban setting.
[8:57] <[Saint]> a housecat wouldn't act naturally with a phone strapped to it. :)
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> you're right, it will probably play angry birds the whole time instead =/
[9:00] <[Saint]> It could post memes of itself to reddit.
[9:00] <ShiftPlusOne> that too
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[9:41] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, ping?
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[9:46] <jgalt> where can I find sd card images for raspbian and xbmc such that I can install the old way without noobs. can't get noobs to work whereas burned images work every time.
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[9:50] <hifi> jgalt: the full images are available form raspberrypi.org too
[9:50] <hifi> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads under the topic "Raw Images"
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[10:37] * [Saint] discovers 4-6-8+ slot uSD RAID array adapters exist.
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[10:40] <[Saint]> if it supported UHS-1, that could wind up pretty fast.
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[12:18] <ElTimo> So I just read somewhere that changing the voltage is permanent. Is this true?
[12:19] <ElTimo> Because if so, I might be screwed. I overclocked my pi to 1 GHz the second I got it just to see how fast it was.
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[12:21] <ElTimo> And now I have to keep reinstalling OpenELEC because it freezes and then refuses to ever boot again.
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[12:21] <chithead> no. but voiding the warranty is permanent if you disable the overvolting/temperature safety mechanisms
[12:22] <ElTimo> That's fine.
[12:22] <chithead> old firmware used to corrupt sd cards when overclocked, so ensure that you use the very latest one
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[12:22] <ElTimo> I just received my pi a couple days ago and it's a newer Model B, so I'd assume it's the newest firmware.
[12:23] <ElTimo> I should note that my issue happens when it's not overclocked.
[12:23] <Vlad> never hurts to run an update!
[12:23] <ElTimo> How do I update the pi firmware?
[12:23] <mgottschlag> "<ElTimo> I just received my pi a couple days ago and it's a newer Model B, so I'd assume it's the newest firmware." - the firmware is not in the device, but on the sd card
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[12:24] <ElTimo> Oh. Wasn't sure if there was some other firmware on some tiny storage on the pi.
[12:24] <mgottschlag> you run raspi-update or whatever it is called in raspbian, or otherwise you copy the firmware files from the repository
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[12:24] <mgottschlag> there is some ROM with a bootloader, but you cannot modify it, and it is supposed to just work :)
[12:24] <chithead> it is usually installed along with the kernel. if you just copy an operating system image to sd card, then you will get whatever firmware was current when that image was created.
[12:24] <ElTimo> That's on the GPU for some reason, right?
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[12:25] <chithead> the bcm2835 is essentially a big gpu (videocore) with a small cpu (arm) tacked on
[12:25] <mgottschlag> not only that ROM, but also some files on the sd card are executed on the gpu
[12:25] <mgottschlag> bootcode.bin and start.elf
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[12:25] <ElTimo> Weird.
[12:25] <ElTimo> What was the bcm2835's original purpose? I'm assuming they didn't make it custom for the pi.
[12:26] <chithead> my guess is videoconferencing and stb
[12:26] <ElTimo> Makes sense.
[12:26] <mgottschlag> the chip also exists without an ARM core, with an external bus interface instead
[12:27] <ElTimo> I'm starting to think the pi just doesn't like my SD card.
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[12:34] <[Saint]> That's not really possible.
[12:34] <[Saint]> As sdcard is an sdcard is an sdcard.
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[12:35] <ShorTie> format and reimage it
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[12:36] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards has a list of known working / non-working cards
[12:36] <[Saint]> There are exceptions, such as fake sdcard altered to present a much larger capacity - but even then, you can undo this and expose the correct capacity and it will behave as expected.
[12:36] <[Saint]> chithead: that page has very little value.
[12:37] <chithead> if it says "ok" then at least one user used it successfully
[12:37] <[Saint]> and the "nok" ones simply mean the user messed something up :)
[12:38] <[Saint]> and sdcard is an sdcard.
[12:38] <chithead> "mmcblk0: error -110 sending status command, aborting" what did the user mess up here?
[12:38] <Vlad> wis [Saint]
[12:38] <Vlad> ohi
[12:39] <[Saint]> thrashed fs, most likely.
[12:39] <chithead> mmcblk0 is one layer below fs
[12:40] <chithead> no amount of filesystem corruption can cause the mmcblk0 block device to go bad (unless the kernel got corrupted in a very unlikely scenario)
[12:41] <[Saint]> its the entire card. it basically means it didn't find anything there it could use, it could be the user dd'd the .zip to the card directly.
[12:41] <[Saint]> there's a whole host of solutions I'm willing to accept before "bad sdcard".
[12:42] <chithead> the message comes from the kernel, so something was already booted on the pi
[12:42] <chithead> if you dd the wrong stuff there, the error will be that the superblock is not found
[12:43] <[Saint]> Ok - so there's maybe one case there that could warrant a look into. But none of that is verified. Most of it is "it didn't work".
[12:43] <[Saint]> ...and this is supposed to be a guide for others, yet there is a lot of error it can introduce.
[12:44] <chithead> timeouts indicate some kind of hardware problem. the pi could be bad, the sd card could be bad, the contacts could be dirty or corroded, the power supply could be bad ...
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[12:44] <chithead> I agree that certainly there is a fair amount of user error among the "nok" ones
[12:45] <[Saint]> I browsed it too quickly, I'll admit. There's some ones there that get me genuinely curious, and I'd like to look into (almost certainly not possible).
[12:45] <[Saint]> But I'm willing to bet a high percentage of those "nok" is down to user error or poor instruction.
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[12:48] <chithead> that's why I told him to look at the "ok" ones :)
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[14:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, would anyone happen to know why the SDIO interface on the pi is connected through 33Ohm resistors rather than directly or with pullups?
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[14:17] <Firehopper> my guess is its to help protect the pins from voltage spikes or something
[14:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure if that makes sense. How would they do that?
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[14:23] <pksato> protection for fault SD card?
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[14:26] <ShiftPlusOne> But how does 33ohm protect from anything? I don't see it limiting the current much =/
[14:26] <ShiftPlusOne> (110mA)
[14:26] <Encrypt> I guess it prevents a direct connection to the SD Card?
[14:27] <ShiftPlusOne> All other circuits I am seeing connect directly to the sd card, with pull up resistors.
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[14:29] <pksato> internal pull up resistors
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[14:29] <pksato> and, 33R is some standard for inter-interface connection.
[14:31] <Firehopper> its to help limit current I guess..
[14:31] <ShiftPlusOne> From a different application....
[14:31] <ShiftPlusOne> "When the line length is low, the ringing is seen on both the source (OMAP side) and the destination (WLAN side). In this case, a series damping resistor is needed to slow the signal and remove the ringing problem. However, the resistor should not be so high that the rise time/fall time requirements are violated. A 33ohm resistor is sufficient."
[14:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Then they do the same for SDIO and give the same reason
[14:32] <ShiftPlusOne> SDIO without the resistors: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/images/f/f4/Solution_Hardware-Figure9.jpg and with the resistors http://processors.wiki.ti.com/images/2/22/Solution_Hardware-Figure10.jpg
[14:33] <ShiftPlusOne> So... that answers that.
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[14:34] <ShiftPlusOne> So, it's a transmission line issue. "If care is not taken to route this correctly, there may be reflections and other losses in signal integrity, which may create ringing and loss of a square wave shape. These signal integrity issues cause failures on SDIO lines.
[14:34] <ShiftPlusOne> The SDIO clock is the most sensitive to the signal integrity issues described above. The ringing on this line can cause double-edging problems. Ringing on the clock line causes double-clocking of data."
[14:35] <pksato> (after some search) its is for impedance matching. to prevent signal reflections.
[14:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, found that as well. =D Thanks, pksato.
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[14:36] <pksato> oh.. I typed without readind last lines. :)
[14:37] <ShiftPlusOne> pksato, just wondering, where did you find the answer?
[14:37] <ShiftPlusOne> (Maybe there is more information that would be good to know.)
[14:39] <pksato> http://forums.xilinx.com/t5/General-Technical-Discussion/Resistor-termination-for-FPGA-to-SPI/td-p/160122
[14:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Thanks
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[14:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Sadly, the only thing I remember about transmission lines from uni is the Smith chart. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Smith_chart_gen.svg
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[15:08] <kephra> moin - where can I find documentation (unix ref manuals preferred) for mmal pi camera functions?
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I only know of http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/RaspiCam-Documentation.pdf
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[15:11] <kephra> I dont need documentation telling how to use the binaries, but how to use mmal library as a dev
[15:11] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[15:11] <kephra> besides that - why is this a pdf and not a normal unix man page
[15:12] <ShiftPlusOne> because the pi folks are not linux devs, so that sort of thing is done by the community... in other words, nobody has done it yet. (Assuming there isn't a manpage)
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> There also this https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/raspicam/RaspiCamDocs.odt, but that's not much better
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[15:15] <kephra> thats also a (non standard) doc for the binaries
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[15:15] <ShiftPlusOne> (which is why I said that's not much better) To answer your actual question, I don't think what you're after exists.
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[15:38] <kephra> http://www.jvcref.com/files/PI/documentation/html/ <- found this one
[15:40] <ShiftPlusOne> interesting
[15:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, bookmarked in case someone comes looking for something similar.
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[16:01] <Dooley> hello
[16:02] <Dooley> do you guys know if this would compatible with the Pi: http://www.amazon.de/Thermodrucker-Bondrucker-Kassendrucker-Thermopapier-Modell/dp/B00BXRSOJS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375538464&sr=8-1&keywords=thermodrucker ?
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[16:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Seems to use a parallel port, but has a usb plug on the other end, so I am guessing there is an adapter in there. So it really depends on whether the chip that's in that adapter is supported by linux.
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[16:05] <ShiftPlusOne> It looks like it 'should' work, but there's not enough information to know for sure.
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[16:07] <Dooley> ok, I guess the safest would be to get one of these which can connect via GPIO
[16:07] <Dooley> but they are insanely expensive
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[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Since it's a parallel port, you can make your own adapter and hook it up through gpio.
[16:09] <ShiftPlusOne> But I can't find any documentation for it, so if it doesn't come with a detailed manual describing the interface, then it may be more trouble than its worth
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[16:13] <pksato> serial printer. is more sw that hardware.
[16:14] <jayaura> Greetings geeks, is it possible to control rpi gpio from octave?
[16:14] <pksato> octave can write to files?
[16:15] <pksato> or call external program?
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[16:16] <Armand> So, I have my super-stupidly-long antenna and USB wifi adapters.. just waiting on a multimeter so I can wire up the solar plant. \o/
[16:17] <pksato> super-stupidly-long antenna?
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[16:18] <Armand> Yuh-huh.. it's not like TV/Yagi huge, but it's long for a wifi antenna. :P
[16:19] <Armand> 15.2"
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[16:21] <pksato> if is for wifi, is ok.
[16:22] <Armand> Yarp
[16:22] <Armand> I'm waiting on a 3m extension cable so I can place it outside.
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[16:23] <pksato> usb extension?
[16:24] <Armand> No, the RP-SMA doody.
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[16:24] <ShiftPlusOne> And how many villages are you powering?
[16:24] <Armand> I'm also looking at a powered signal amplifier.
[16:24] <pksato> I recomend very short cable to wifi band.
[16:24] <Armand> None, ShiftPlusOne.. I'm feeling snoopy. :P
[16:25] <pksato> 3m have 18db loss.
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[16:25] <ShiftPlusOne> (I meant for your solar plant)
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[16:26] <Armand> At the moment I only have a 20W panel.
[16:26] <Armand> The goal is around 1000W.
[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nice
[16:27] <Armand> Hope so. :P
[16:28] <mrhanky> are 20m wifi extensions usable?
[16:28] <Armand> Doubtful.
[16:28] <Armand> I'd look at repeaters.
[16:28] <mrhanky> i'm only asking because a friend gave me two of them
[16:29] <mrhanky> and now i'm wondering why ppl can buy this
[16:29] <Armand> Why can we buy ice, when we can make it in the freezer? :P
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[16:34] <SpeedEvil> I note that a 1000W panel may power surprisingly little, if you're unlucky as to your site.
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[16:34] <SpeedEvil> Here - a 2.5W load takes a 250W panel.
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> (Scotland)
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> And that may go down several days a year.
[16:35] <Armand> Well, I'm going to be in a datacentre with great clearance on the roof.
[16:36] <Armand> I'll need a mass of batteries anyway.
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - you really want to size tha batteries at panel*5
[16:36] <Armand> I've already got backup power worked out. :)
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> So 5kWh or so
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> 500Ah"12Vish
[16:37] <PipeDale> Afternoon.
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> For a datacentre - it's generally a good plan to cover the roof in panels.
[16:37] <Armand> It's not my DC. :P
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> Even not subsidised - they pay back quite promptly.
[16:37] <Armand> I'm just sorting out my own project.
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[16:41] <gordonDrogon> afternoon pi people
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Hey
[16:42] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Hi! :)
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> Hello.
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> speaking of solar panels, my garden shed solar panel thing has been temporarilly delayed - might not be able to start it until next spring
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> What do solar panels include? Are they just a matrix of pv cells or is there circuitry to get maximum power out of them as well?
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[16:45] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: Just the PV cells usually
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack - how to install linux on a SATA hard disk. (cooler than it sounds)
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[16:46] <ShiftPlusOne> So are you guys making your own converters as well then or using off the shelf ones?
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/More-than-200W-New-Romag-210W-solar-panel-Black-Frame-/281145169760?pt=UK_Gadgets&var=&hash=item41758ed760
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[16:47] <SpeedEvil> If you have an appropriate voltage lead-acid battery, the control circuitry can be very minimal.
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> I need 5v and 19v for my project. Possibly 9 or 12 too. I'll probably buy ones initially, but might look at making my own if I have time.
[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, I am only starting to learn about PV cells, but I am under the impression that it's a pain to get the maximum power out of them. Ah well, I should know them pretty well in a few weeks.
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: It depends.
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> I want a dual-battery charge/changeover doo-dah too.
[16:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, MPPT is what I am referring to.
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> I've seen them in the �40-�50 range, so not too bad.
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: A fairly close approximation is to simply regulate the input voltage of the solar panel to the peak power point. This will be within 5% or so.
[16:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: This can be done with one opamp, and your standard DC-DC converter.
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> You simply invert the feedback signal, and put it where it normally is.
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[16:50] <Armand> gordonDrogon!
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> 19v for laptop charging, 9 or 12 (or 5) for things like wireless bridge, wi-fi AP, switch, Dect base station... 5v for Pi's :)
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> Then you add a second opamp to turn the setpoint up if the battery voltage exceeds x.xV
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[16:50] <ShiftPlusOne> makes sense, thanks SpeedEvil
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> Or, you skip it entirely.
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> You buy a standard panel - like the above.
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[16:50] <SpeedEvil> This has an otuput of 36V or so peak power.
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> You connect it to two 12V batteries in series, which want to float charge at 27.6V - and you call the difference between 27.6 and 36 not that important.
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> And then you just hang a 210W resistor off the batteries which turns on when the voltage exceeds 27.6V
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> (PWM is better)
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> Or you just rely on the regulator
[16:54] <ShiftPlusOne> That's a lot less intimidating than the brief intro I've had. Taking a renewable energy course this semester. So far it's only about the basics, like general information about pv cells and getting the position of the sun. =/
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo. just got an ATmega connected to a Pi to emulate 2 separate I2C devices now. I do not recommend using an ATmega in slave I2C mode - especially not with the Pi as the master )-:
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> The right way is to do MPPT
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> Which varies the input voltage in a systematic way to find out the peak power voltage.
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> This works over a wide variety of shading conditions and automatically tracks changes in voltage due to temperature.
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> But - for unshaded panels - simply regulating the input voltage to the peak power point gets you very close.
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[17:18] <gordonDrogon> working on some low-power Pi stuff right now too.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> I have a nice little smps PSU for a Pi & an ATmega - I have the atmega in super low power mode (1�A)
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> getting it to power the Pi up & down next.
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[17:30] <Armand> gordonDrogon: I'm hoping to make some progress with my rPi webservers soon.. power usage is definitely the main concern.
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> anyone built their own smps unit using a microcontroller and an H bridge to do the splitting/primary feeding?
[17:30] <Phosie> If I had a penny for every "Can it run windows", I'd be able to retire.
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> It runs X ... Windows ... :)
[17:30] <Armand> Phosie: Can it run Mac OS? :P
[17:30] <sney> I've never seen that except on the faq
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> Armand: Why is power a concern?
[17:31] <Armand> Batteries.
[17:31] <Phosie> sney: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=51689
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[17:31] <sney> oh, forums. yeah, I don't do forums
[17:31] <Phosie> Also asking how to replace the ARM with Intel.
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> I know where there might be some NiFe batteries locally, but they're not as efficient as LA, but they survive huge abuse though...
[17:32] <Armand> Phosie: The first post nearly had me in hysterics. :P
[17:33] <Phosie> Aww :( Need to wait till Tuesday for my ULN2003
[17:34] <Armand> gordonDrogon: I'm using LA at the moment, as I got them free.. I'll be looking at bigger batteries at some point.
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: I'd love a small bank of them.
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: 10kWh or so
[17:35] <Armand> Same here
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[17:35] <Armand> Right now I've got 4x 12v @ 7Ah.
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> Switch to economy 7 - charge at night - no daytime power use
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[17:36] <Armand> O_o
[17:37] <Armand> I fail to see how solar will charge at night.. lol
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[17:38] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't say solar
[17:38] <Armand> I did though. ;)
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> do they still do E7 tarrifs?
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> that would be somewhat intersting if you could use it to charge overnight then use through the day - assuming the cost difference is less than the losses due to conversion...
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> You can't do it with regular batteries.
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> Total integrated kWh sotrage * price per unit is much less than the purchase price.
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[17:48] <Phosie> Here in England British Gas might be giving people free electricity on Saturdays. Would be a good time to charge batteries.
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> you'd need to write off the price of the storage.
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> Phosie, yea, I read that - but I bey they hike the price through the week.
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> I have a little river at the bottom of my garden, but it's almost impossible to use, even to trickle charge anything.
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> What sort of flow?
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> not much.
[17:50] <Phosie> I wouldn't be surprised if the price is hiked up.
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/deanBurn4.jpg
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> there's a channel about 150mm deep that I might be able to secure something into, but the output would hardly justify it.
[17:51] <Phosie> I want that!
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> Some lucky person over in ##physics was wondering how much they could get from a few litres per second flow.
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> With 200m head.
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> 200m - that's the trick :)
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> I have more like 20mm
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> the down-side of that little river is the level too - now it's very low, but look at the top-left of that photo - a black bit - that's the bottom of a bridge about 2m above the current water level...
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> this: https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/IMGP16101.jpg was the same place last November when we had the floods.
[17:54] <Phosie> Wow...
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> Now that would be a good place to put a turbine - if only it were like that all year...
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> A small dam would greatly improve things. :)
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> you can't hold back dartmoor...
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[18:02] <Mortvert> oh hi.
[18:02] <Phosie> Hell
[18:02] <Mortvert> Apparently, my pi lost it's init file when someone flipped the breaker
[18:02] <Phosie> -o
[18:02] <Mortvert> Any way i can go around fixing that?
[18:04] <Mortvert> other than reflashing
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> it probably lost more than that
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[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> you can get the files you need from the deb files, but I think you'll keep running into unexpected errors anyway
[18:05] <Mortvert> At least i can get my znc config out qq
[18:07] <HektoR> hello guys. can anyone tell me name of ultrasonic distance measurement sensor which works on bigger ranges like 10-15 meters ?
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[18:09] <SpeedEvil> sonar
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> have a look on some of the UAV sites - I think they have longer range ones.
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[18:38] <nerdboy> if you have a linux desktop handy you can try loop-mounting the image...
[18:39] <nerdboy> which will work if the image is valid
[18:40] <davor> oh, no, I can't find a flashlight
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[18:41] <[Saint]> grep flashlight
[18:43] <nerdboy> didn't notice the timestamps
[18:47] <davor> nerdboy, if you replied to me, I tried that, successful mount, dir structure seemed okay
[18:48] <davor> lol [Saint]
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[18:50] <nerdboy> davor: you left IMAGE_FSTYPES alone?
[18:51] <nerdboy> ie, you built the rpi-sdimg ?
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[18:51] <nerdboy> i just added gpsd and jackd to mine
[18:51] <nerdboy> testing now...
[18:52] <davor> yeah, I don't recall changing anything
[18:52] <nerdboy> the image file should just dd and boot
[18:52] <nerdboy> at least i haven't had any non-bootable ones yet...
[18:52] <davor> did that
[18:52] <davor> exactly that
[18:53] <nerdboy> and?
[18:53] <nerdboy> which image recipe are you building?
[18:54] <davor> one moment, gotta reboot into Arch where I built it
[19:00] <davor> here are my bblayers.conf and local.conf, respectively: http://ix.io/72b , http://ix.io/72c
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[19:09] <plm> Hi all
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[19:18] <nerdboy> davor: your local.conf seems to be missing a few things
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[19:23] <nerdboy> davor: http://paste2.org/ONf52VHO and http://paste2.org/LBWIwd2X
[19:24] <nerdboy> i guess yours is just mostly defaults, whereas i added a few things...
[19:24] <plm> If i buy that vc1 decoder in hardware and put on in raspbian. I have some question:
[19:25] <plm> 1. Will be use 0% of pi to decode the video?
[19:25] <davor> ahh, thanks nerdboy
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[19:25] <nerdboy> davor: i also added to conf/machine/include/rpi-default-providers.inc
[19:25] <plm> 2. Is possible to decode 1080p in that or more?
[19:25] <nerdboy> that one should be in git tho
[19:26] <mgottschlag> 1. certainly not :)
[19:26] <nerdboy> davor: so really the differences should all be in those two conf files
[19:26] <mgottschlag> @plm, the CPU is always involved, just ideally only to transfer the data
[19:26] <mgottschlag> and it should get pretty close to that
[19:27] <davor> ah, excellent. thanks man
[19:27] <nerdboy> bblayers,conf and local.conf, both of which are generated when you first setup a build
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[19:29] <plm> @mgottschlag ok. But just to transfer.. i fotgot that :) so we can think arou d 20% cpu use?
[19:30] <nerdboy> if my wife would leave me alone for a few minutes i could test my new image...
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[19:34] <JakeSays> so what kernel version is the latest raspbian?
[19:35] <nerdboy> 3.6.11 afaik
[19:36] <nerdboy> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
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[19:38] <JakeSays> nerdboy: ah ok. thanks
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[19:42] <nerdboy> at least my 3.6.11 recipe builds off this commit: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commit/31a951046155b27361127d9cf85a1f58719fe9b3
[19:42] <nerdboy> not sure about other distros...
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[19:42] <nerdboy> sometimes it gets packaged as 3.6.11+ which makes it a little more ambiguous...
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[19:44] <nerdboy> easiest way to be sure is clone and build it yourself from a specific tag/hash
[19:46] <nerdboy> at least when bitbake builds it from a git recipe, it uses the hash in the filenames it creates
[19:47] <nerdboy> and with buildhistory enabled it creates lots of lovely artifacts, including build hashes and other stuff for all your git recipes
[19:49] <nerdboy> just noticed that last one in the reference manual today...
[19:51] <mgottschlag> plm: I don't know, I never used my pi for video playback
[19:51] <mgottschlag> but I think that number sounds about correct
[19:53] <nerdboy> i tried a few hd files with raspbmc
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[19:53] <nerdboy> wasn't checking resource usage but they play fine
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[19:54] <Dooley> Good evening
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> Waiting for a Pi to wakeup...
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> I should have picked a shorter time :-|
[19:55] <Dooley> hey gordonDrogon you're trying to control a pi on and off?
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> Dooley, it turns off very well itself - sudo halt - I'm turning it on again - via a timer.
[19:56] <Dooley> however, the pi still draws a lot of power when turned off, doesn't it?
[19:56] <Dooley> I thought you had to unplug it to turn it to 0
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> will be checking later, but yes, it's about 100mA from what I read.
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[19:56] <ShorTie> ok, so i got 6 threads blinkin my lights, preaty cool
[19:57] <Dooley> do you know how much it draws headless, just with an ethernet cable?
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> you briefly short the I2C pins to ground (like 100mS short)
[19:57] <ShorTie> now to just learn how to kill them, lol.
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> an idle Pi is just under 300mA.
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> You can power down the USB/Ethernet if needs too.
[19:57] <Dooley> oh really?
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> let me lookup the runes.
[19:57] <Dooley> can you do it via command line?
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> yes
[19:57] <Dooley> that's neat
[19:58] <Dooley> is the 300mA figure with ethernet or w/o?
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> echo "Off" > /sys/devices/platform/bcm2708_usb/buspower
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> with.
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> that's idle. it'll take more with the gpu running, but not much more
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> the usb off doesn't work well on a Rev 1 board, although it does reduce the power, but not as much as the Rev 2.
[19:59] <Dooley> that's very interesting, any idea on how low you get without ther ethernet?
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> 1 miunte to go - 7pm turn on...
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> assuming I've not got daylight savings mixed up..
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> it's ON!
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> it booted.
[20:00] <Dooley> congrats
[20:00] <nerdboy> plm: 1280x720 mpeg-4 video with aac or mp3 audio plays fine, if that helps
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi1: uptime
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> 19:00:32 up 0 min, 1 user, load average: 1.38, 0.38, 0.13
[20:00] <nerdboy> also h264 in a quicktime mp4 container
[20:02] <plm> nerdboy: my videos is in h264. Is possible?
[20:02] <nerdboy> just minimal testing of raspbmc, but i don't use it that much
[20:03] <nerdboy> i have one data point using a version of the above that i was trying to make more portable by using h264 and mp3
[20:03] <plm> But vc1 decoder to buy run h264 right?
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> now I need to strip the power cable so I can put the meter in-line to see how much current it's really drawing...
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[20:03] <gordonDrogon> don't particularly want to, but needs must...
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[20:04] <nerdboy> raspbmc uses omxplayer, which uses the accelerated graphics i believe
[20:05] <nerdboy> i have several versions of that crossroads video, using different containers/codecs
[20:05] <sandman> How can I get my terminal to support additional fonts, such as those from other languages? Adding stuff to /etc/local.gen and regenerating locales?
[20:06] <nerdboy> lemme find the raspbmc card and i'll verify which version is on it...
[20:06] <sandman> Some text files written in other languages aren't showing up properly in my ssh client (I've UTF-8 selected for the client, that's not the issue). It's as if my ssh server is sending me broken UTF-8 or something
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[20:11] <kephra> sandman, those file might be latin1
[20:12] <sandman> kephra: To get those characters to show up properly in a terminal, would I need to add more stuff to /etc/locale.gen?
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[20:12] <sandman> And regenerate?
[20:14] <kephra> no you need to switch terminal between latin1 and utf8 on demand
[20:14] <kephra> unfortunate xterm 243 was the last one where this feature did not dump core
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[20:16] <sandman> So there's no way to have a terminal display all kinds of languages at one time?
[20:18] <sandman> Not an xterminal, but just a terminal
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[20:19] <nerdboy> you know you've found the raspbmc card when it boots right into a funky update screen...
[20:19] <nerdboy> sh: command not found: [0
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[20:43] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3L8fu6L3Ww
[20:44] <nerdboy> plm: one is h264 / aac stereo in a quicktime m4v container
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[20:45] <nerdboy> the other is mpeg video / mp3 stereo in an avi container
[20:46] <nerdboy> so far xbmc has played everything fine
[20:46] <nerdboy> but i can't say i've tried anything "exotic"...
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[20:57] <plm> nerdboy: thanks :)
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[21:00] <nerdboy> afaik, the proper codec is all in omxplayer
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[21:06] <plm> Ok
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[21:08] <ParkerR> plm: If you just want to play h264 you dont have to buy anything
[21:09] <ParkerR> That functionality comes standard on the Pi
[21:10] <plm> ParkerR: installing omxplayer in raspbian for example right?
[21:10] <ParkerR> omxplayer will play h64 out of the box (1080p too)
[21:10] <ParkerR> *h.264
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[21:12] <plm> ParkerR: about play (via hdmi) h264 are you talking about omxplayer right
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[21:19] <ParkerR> plm: Yes
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[21:22] <linuxstb> plm: Going back to your first question, the CPU will be used to decode audio, and a 1080p video can sometimes have hard-to-decode audio (e.g. DTS).
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[21:25] <SrRaven> I need something to compile while im at work (obv cant install eclipse etc at work). Will a pi suffice for that? (alright speed, if I have to wait ages to compile,not going to happen)
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[21:26] <[Saint]> ETOOVAGUE
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[21:26] <[Saint]> ...it depends what you're compiling.
[21:26] <SrRaven> I know the first assignment is to code a boulder dash clone in java
[21:27] <plm> linuxstb: thats if i use that comercial license VC1 right? And if used omxplayer, is not problem with audio decoding 1080p?
[21:27] <[Saint]> For such trivial things, yes, the pi should serve fine.
[21:28] <SrRaven> whats the best way to "offload" to the pi to compile ?
[21:28] <SrRaven> I havent send mine off yet (getting it relocated)
[21:28] <nerdboy> java might be a little problematic on arm...
[21:28] <nerdboy> depending on what's in the raspbian repos
[21:29] * SrRaven has no idea
[21:29] <nerdboy> if you just need the minimal jre stuff, then you might be okay...
[21:30] <SrRaven> well I am getting it relocated anyway, so far I dont even know a single use for it
[21:30] <nerdboy> all i know is java is painful on non-x86 if you need a full sdk
[21:30] <SrRaven> so that might be a good option
[21:30] <[Saint]> oracle released a reference a while ago specifically for raspi
[21:30] <nerdboy> ibm still has a ppc one
[21:30] <[Saint]> "NEW Release: Oracle Java ME Embedded 3.3 for Raspberry Pi for ARM11, Linux is now available as a reference binary, ready to install and run. "
[21:31] <nerdboy> i think i had to use icedtea on arm...
[21:31] <SrRaven> kk
[21:32] <[Saint]> If you have a reasonably modern cellphone, it'd likely be better suited for this. :)
[21:32] <nerdboy> try the oracle one or see what's on raspbian (hopefully at least icedtea-7)
[21:34] <[Saint]> chroot on a mid-to-high-end cellphone from the past 2 years or so is going to kick a raspi in the nuts here, but is slightly less practical.
[21:34] <SrRaven> how would I go about doing either nerdboy ? (im pretty new to the pi)
[21:35] <nerdboy> read the oracle thing and see what it says, probably accept their license and download a deb package
[21:35] <JakeSays> is that oracle java me for armhf?
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[21:35] <[Saint]> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/embedded/downloads/javame/index.html - for the Oracle route.
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[21:36] <nerdboy> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianRepository <= look for icedtea packages
[21:36] <JakeSays> hmm. doesnt say
[21:38] <SrRaven> ah fuck, already set up my Pi for shipping
[21:38] <SrRaven> cant access it over lan :s
[21:40] <JakeSays> set up your pi for shipping?
[21:40] <SrRaven> yes, need to set up the dns,ip,gateway,nameserver etc
[21:41] <[Saint]> seems to me that colocating a device with a tendancy to trash the fs is a "Bad Idea (TM)" :)
[21:41] <SrRaven> fs?
[21:41] <[Saint]> filesystem
[21:42] <SrRaven> hmm,you arent giving me confidence yo :p
[21:45] <linuxstb> plm: The pi decodes the audio regardless of whether you have the VC-1 license or not (VC-1 is a video codec).
[21:46] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: Pong?
[21:47] <plm> Ok
[21:47] <ParkerR> ... and yet I get kicked for auto censoring myself
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[21:48] <Essobi> Is there a list on the wiki of all the rpi distros?
[21:48] <[Saint]> Depends who's on/watching.
[21:48] <[Saint]> We've done this conversation to death by now. ;)
[21:48] <[Saint]> Flogging a dead horse.
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[21:49] <[Saint]> Essobi: http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[21:49] <[Saint]> hardly all, but most worth caring about to me knowledge.
[21:50] <[Saint]> s/me/my/
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[22:11] <PipeDale> Evening
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> SrRaven, family friendly channel. please re-read the rules at http://alturl.com/jc97e
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[22:16] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon: Now that's new. Necro-kick :P
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[22:17] <BCMM_> i've heard several complaints about the pi's audio, but wondered if anybody could tell me *specifically* what the issues are?
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> I've no complaints.
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> but then I don't play sound via them :)
[22:18] <BCMM_> I've got the latest firmware so I don't get popping when starting and stopping playback anymore
[22:18] <ParkerR> BCMM_: Thats about it
[22:18] <ParkerR> Congrats
[22:18] <BCMM_> i get a little ground loop buzz but i can fix that
[22:18] <BCMM_> but i also have a constant low-volume hiss
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> I've twice used audio - once was to play doom - and that came out the 3.5mm jack - that was waaaay back and once to play a video via hdmi - which was pretty much perfect.
[22:19] <BCMM_> independant of the mixer volume. i can't find anything online about that - do other people's pis do that?
[22:20] <nerdboy> not here, other than a pop when i power off the car
[22:20] <BCMM_> anyway, i can't find any mention of quiet hissing sounds but that might be because the fixed popping issue is swamping the search results
[22:20] <BCMM_> nerdboy: volume of the hiss is independant of the volume of the mixer
[22:20] <nerdboy> without turning the volume down
[22:20] <nerdboy> no hiss that i can here
[22:21] <nerdboy> *hear even
[22:21] <BCMM_> so it is only really detectable with a large amp and the pi at low volume
[22:21] <BCMM_> or pi at low volume and ear near speaker
[22:21] <Phosie> i've had no problems with audio via HDMI, never used the 3.5mm
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[22:22] <nerdboy> the car is analog so that's mostly what i use...
[22:22] <pksato> phone audio out have a very (nothing) simple low pass filter. and hiss and other noise can heard.
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[22:23] <BCMM_> sorry, should have said this is on the 3.5mm
[22:23] <nerdboy> no extra pre/power amps in my case, just the factory audio/nav crap
[22:24] <BCMM_> i'm just driving some speakers from an amp, but i've tested the hum is still there on other speakers
[22:24] <nerdboy> like i said, i don't hear any problem noises except for the power-off pop with volume maxed out
[22:25] <BCMM_> maybe it's just my pi...
[22:25] <nerdboy> sounds like either a power issue or bad hardware
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[22:27] <BCMM_> nerdboy: i've tried two different hubs...
[22:27] <nerdboy> i can easily generate tons of noise if i plug my phone's audio out into my laptop audio in with both plugged into the same power brick
[22:27] <nerdboy> unplug the phone power and it sounds fine
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[22:28] <BCMM_> it doesn't seem to be noticable without quite a lot of amplification, so i might just put in something to attenuate the pi's volume a bit
[22:28] <BCMM_> nerdboy: noisey hiss or mains hum?
[22:29] <nerdboy> low-end hum with a bunch of high frequency stuff
[22:29] <nerdboy> it's really bad, but work power is anything but clean
[22:30] <nerdboy> make sure you have a good/clean power source
[22:30] <BCMM_> mine just sounds like a bad vinyl player sort of hiss
[22:31] <BCMM_> i'll try every other power source i can lay hands on i guess
[22:31] <nerdboy> i default the pi's output to 0 db and then use the remote to increment up/down
[22:31] <BCMM_> nerdboy: not sure i understand...
[22:31] <nerdboy> the alsa mixer level
[22:31] <pksato> its is PWM generated audio, is very noise.
[22:32] <nerdboy> 86% or so is 0 db
[22:32] <BCMM_> ah, ok
[22:32] <BCMM_> nerdboy: did you say you were doing car audio with it?
[22:32] <nerdboy> plus i crafted the alsa config and whatnot since it's my own OS image
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[22:33] <pksato> if need more clean audio, use HDMI audio out.
[22:33] <nerdboy> yup, powered off the lighter plug and analog out to aux in
[22:33] <BCMM_> pksato: getting analogue from hdmi is kinda expensive isn't it?
[22:33] <BCMM_> nerdboy: how fast does it boot? any special tricks for getting fast boot?
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[22:34] <pksato> no. $10 to $50 for hdmi to vga with audio
[22:34] <nerdboy> takes a few seconds to boot when i power up the car
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[22:34] <BCMM_> nerdboy: i'm planning to make my own minimal image for this. all i need is mpd and my own small program that controls it
[22:35] <nerdboy> the signal must be active pretty quick since it doesn't switch to another source
[22:35] <BCMM_> nerdboy: how did you make your image? from scratch? raspbian stripped down?
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[22:35] <nerdboy> with yocto/poky master brench
[22:35] <pksato> or, can build some high order low pass filter.
[22:35] <Phosie> It's piddlin' it down1
[22:35] <nerdboy> it has mpd/empcd/mpc and lirc
[22:36] <nerdboy> BCMM: https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/wiki/Raspberry-Pi-Openbox-MPD-Image-Setup
[22:36] <BCMM_> nerdboy: i don't know what those are...
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[22:36] <BCMM_> oh, i guess that link explains it?
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[22:37] <nerdboy> mpd and clients
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[22:37] <nerdboy> empcd is an input event-driven client
[22:37] <nerdboy> but i mostly use lircexec with mpc commands
[22:38] <nerdboy> pretty simple config actually
[22:38] <nerdboy> you just have to press a lot of remote buttons if your remote isn't in the config database
[22:39] <BCMM_> nerdboy: i meant i didn't know what yocto and poky are
[22:39] <nerdboy> BCMM: lirc is the IR sensor daemon for typical remotes
[22:39] <nerdboy> it's an openembedded build framework
[22:40] <nerdboy> build your own os
[22:40] <nerdboy> if you want mpd on pi, just download the image and try it out
[22:41] <nerdboy> the package feed will be back up as soon as i finish a clean build
[22:41] <Amadiro> Has anybody gotten omxplayer with rtmp to work? I'm throwing a h264, 720p, 24fps stream with AAC audio at it, and it doesn't do a thing. VLC plays it fine.
[22:42] <Amadiro> It says "ERROR: COMXPlayer::OpenFile - avformat_open_input [URL]"
[22:43] <BCMM_> nerdboy: basically, I've written a small program to let me change internet radio "channels" (streamed by mpd) using a usb numpad. i'm looking to make the most minimal possible install of mpd, alsa and my program
[22:43] <BCMM_> nerdboy: i guess openembedded is a tool for making very small OSes?
[22:43] <JakeSays> any suggestions for a gui based webcam tool?
[22:44] <nerdboy> that's a pretty minimal image, albeit with an X desktop
[22:44] <nerdboy> the whole thing is just over 500 MB
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[22:44] <BCMM_> nerdboy: i'm hoping to fit in an initramfs, but i don't know if it's going to be feasible
[22:44] <nerdboy> i can build you a console image without X if you want...
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[22:45] <BCMM_> nerdboy: wow, graphical desktop in 500mB? cool
[22:45] <nerdboy> or you can git clone 3 different repos and build it yourself
[22:45] <BCMM_> nerdboy: afk a few minute, but that sounds a lot like what i'm trying to do
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[22:46] <nerdboy> BCMM: it has quite a few useful tools for a small rootfs...
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[23:06] <BCMM> nerdboy: i'm kind of confused by the whole thing... yocto and openembedded are projects providing easy ways to build embedded linux images, right?
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[23:08] <kephra> BCMM, my first Sun3/50 had 4MB RAM, and 500MB hard disc - and a X11+OpenLook as desktop environment
[23:08] <BCMM> kephra: yeah, but software has slowly bloated since then...
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[23:08] <Xark> kephra: Nice. I think I was happy to have an Amiga about that time frame (but wanted a *nix machine). :)
[23:09] <BCMM> nerdboy: and your github represents... a set of configurations/instructions for one of the above, to make it build your custom Pi OS?
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[23:10] <kephra> Xark, I migrated from mainframes to so called open systems, when IBM decided to stop shipping operating system source - I told myself, that I wont touch game computers or home computers - so my first PC was a Xenix system, and I'm using Linux since MCC 0.96c+
[23:10] <kephra> never owned an amiga, atari or windows system
[23:11] <Xark> kephra: Interesting. Somewhat the opposite of me. My first system (OSI-C1P) had 4K of RAM and I soldered joysticks to it to write games (and have had most significant home computers). I like using "big" computers for development on "small" computers (embedded, consoles etc.)
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[23:12] <Xark> kephra: I did avoid PCs until Linux came around. :)
[23:13] <kephra> now a PI has as much RAM, as my Sun had disc - and linux finally reached the end user, in size of smartphone computers
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[23:14] <nerdboy> BCMM: no, the setup stuff is for the image, not how to build it
[23:15] <nerdboy> the build part is in the meta-raspberrypi/readme file
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[23:16] <Xark> kephra: Yep. I remember joking with the guys at the office (in 8-bit days) about what came after megabyte (while we were using our ~170KB floppies). :)
[23:17] <Exposure> hmm libfaac removed from raspbian wheezy repositories? I can't apt-get it and the prebuilt ffmpeg I downloaded requires it :(
[23:19] <BCMM> nerdboy: not sure i understand...
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[23:19] <nerdboy> the links at the top of the wiki page are images
[23:20] <nerdboy> the rest are extras or informational
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[23:20] <Xark> Exposure: Perhaps legal issues with AAC.
[23:20] <nerdboy> don't bother with the sato image, just download the openbox image and dd it to a card
[23:21] <BCMM> nerdboy: ah, i see
[23:21] <Exposure> it's a crappy codec, probably better off building my own ffmpeg but thats going to take a while :(
[23:21] <kephra> Xark, the 3380 was available in 1980, iirc - 2.5gb 14" disk
[23:21] <nerdboy> well, uncompress it first
[23:21] <BCMM> nerdboy: i was sort of interested in what i would need to build one of your images with different settings
[23:21] <Xark> kephra: Yeah, but that wasn't interesting to "mortals" at the time. :)
[23:21] <kephra> but 3340 of 35MB had been more common
[23:21] <BCMM> nerdboy: in particular, what options is mpd built with?
[23:21] <Xark> kephra: (or at least teenager ones). :)
[23:22] <nerdboy> not sure what's available
[23:22] <Xark> kephra: I did have an 8MB Corvus HDD for my Apple II in the 80s...
[23:22] <kephra> that sounds expensive
[23:22] <nerdboy> it should be a "nominal" mpd build
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[23:22] <nerdboy> works out of the box, but you can still tweak the config
[23:22] <Xark> kephra: $3500 (for two Apples at once). I got it used for $800 (split with my roommate). :)
[23:23] <Xark> kephra: It acted like a whole bunch of floppy "volumes".
[23:23] <nerdboy> BCMM: look at the very bottom of the wiki page for build info and a link to the readme
[23:23] <BCMM> nerdboy: sorry, which config?
[23:23] <nerdboy> the mpd config
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[23:24] <BCMM> nerdboy: i read the readme, but didn't entirely understand because i'm not familiar with openembedded and friends
[23:24] <nerdboy> it's a basic config that works as-is, but you can still change it how you want it
[23:25] <nerdboy> it's pretty easy if you have a) the required build tools, and b) the required yocto/oe/rpi layers cloned and configured
[23:25] <Xark> kephra: Once work upgraded from developers using (mostly) MP/M (multi-user CP/M with one 4Mhz Z-80 +16KB and a 48K memory banks per user) to a Zeus Unix machine (Z8000), I knew I wanted *nix. :) Eventually I got BSD for a 386-33 8MB, but it needed a co-processor so it was Linux for me. :)
[23:26] <BCMM> nerdboy: uh, so yocto is a tool for buildign embedded linux images right?
[23:26] <nerdboy> BCMM: i would try the image first, put some content on it and play with mpd
[23:26] <nerdboy> if it meets your needs, then you can try building it
[23:26] <BCMM> nerdboy: fair enough
[23:26] <Xark> kephra: Any idea how much a 35MB (or 2.5GB) drive cost in 1980? :)
[23:27] <nerdboy> but yes, yocto/poky is a framework around openembedded
[23:27] <Xark> kephra: Small fortune, I would imagine. Probably they were mostly rented/leased...
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> Xark: Lots.
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> Xark: 2.5G will not have been available
[23:27] <Phosie> an arm and a leg, maybe even an eye.
[23:27] <BCMM> nerdboy: if i wanted to build a distro for running mpd with the smallest possible filesystem, it would be the way to go, right?
[23:27] <nerdboy> there are lots of docs to read at yoctoproject.org if/when you're ready...
[23:27] <nerdboy> yes
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> Or rather - 2.5G will have been a large extended datastore.
[23:27] <kephra> Xark, Purchase price at time of introduction ranged from $81,000 to $142,200. <- wikipedia price for 3380
[23:27] <Xark> SpeedEvil: That is what I would have thought, but: <kephra> Xark, the 3380 was available in 1980, iirc - 2.5gb 14" disk
[23:28] <nerdboy> at least one of the more optimal/easy ways...
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> Is that gigabits?
[23:28] <BCMM> nerdboy: thanks! i've just been looking around for something like that (and thinking that minimal debian is still pretty large really)
[23:28] <PipeDale> right, shameless session
[23:28] <nerdboy> BCMM: this is much lighter than debian, and you can make it even lighter if you want
[23:29] <BCMM> nerdboy: so you used yocto, and a "layer" that goes in to yocto to add pi-specific stuff?
[23:29] <nerdboy> my minimum is a functional/useful X desktop plus the tools i wanted
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[23:29] <nerdboy> the rpi layer i forked and built up into that image
[23:29] <BCMM> nerdboy: then your modification on top of that is adding mpd, openbox, and so on?
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[23:29] <BCMM> nerdboy: thanks, i think i'm starting to see how this works
[23:30] <nerdboy> no, the layer i forked from has almost no apps or images
[23:30] <nerdboy> just a hwup-image that boots it
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[23:30] <BCMM> nerdboy: "hwup"?
[23:30] <nerdboy> but okay, i added pulled mpd from another oe layer and added a bunch of other stuff
[23:31] <nerdboy> hardware-bring-up
[23:31] <nerdboy> just enough to boot to a console
[23:32] <BCMM> nerdboy: ah, so what exactly does the raspberry pi layer do before you forked it? make a nice sd card image with pi firmware rolled in and all that?
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[23:32] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Believe it or not, gigabytes in 1980 -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_IBM_magnetic_disk_drives#IBM_3380 :)
[23:32] <nerdboy> more or less, just very basic
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> I believe it
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[23:32] <nerdboy> kernel/firmware/bootloader and few basic recipes
[23:33] <nerdboy> the basic "board support" and machine config
[23:33] <BCMM> nerdboy: recipes i guess are a little like ebuilds? scripts that tell the system how to build and install something?
[23:33] <nerdboy> yup
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[23:33] <BCMM> nerdboy: and a layer is...?
[23:34] <nerdboy> in this case, a recipe build usually gets split into multiple packages
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[23:34] <nerdboy> BCMM: i tree of recipes
[23:34] <nerdboy> whereas an ebuild is one package
[23:35] <nerdboy> BCMM: and then there are recipes for images and sdk/toolchain builds, etc
[23:35] <nerdboy> read the yoctoproject docs and it will make more sense
[23:36] <nerdboy> the oe guys actually got some inspiration from portage, but the requirements are different
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[23:37] <nerdboy> this is a way to build rootfs images/tarballs/etc for multiple "machines" of various architectures
[23:38] <nerdboy> including x86 and qemu if you want...
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[23:38] <nerdboy> i've built for several arm devices this way but that's about it
[23:38] <nerdboy> everything else i have is pretty much gentoo
[23:39] <BCMM> nerdboy: thanks a lot of outlining how it works for me! i'll look at yocto's docs, and then i guess i can probably get pretty much what I want by stripping out Xorg from your layer
[23:39] <BCMM> thanks a lot
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[23:43] <nerdboy> BCMM: you do that in the image recipe
[23:44] <nerdboy> or just make your own image recipe using console-image as a base
[23:44] <nerdboy> you just need the right layers for the recipes you want
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