#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-08-05

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[0:00] <pixel3D> and in the pasword its kinda crap since i cant get past it
[0:01] <pixel3D> is that saved on the sd?
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[0:04] <pixel3D> what can i do?
[0:04] <ring0> look at dmesg first
[0:04] <pixel3D> how
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[0:06] <ring0> open a terminal and enter: sudo tail -f /var/log/dmesg and wait till it happens and if anything useful appears
[0:07] <pixel3D> im in the terminal but my keybord is not working....
[0:07] <ring0> bad luck
[0:07] <pixel3D> thats why im here...
[0:08] <ring0> disconnect and reconnect your keyboard
[0:08] <chithead> connecting a keyboard is a bit of a gamble on a pi...
[0:09] <ring0> might force a reboot?
[0:09] <pixel3D> i tryed all my keyboards i have
[0:09] <pixel3D> most of them need allot of power to run
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[0:10] <pixel3D> reconecting keybeord isnt doing anything
[0:10] <ring0> have you tried connecting to your pi via ssh?
[0:10] <pixel3D> ssh?
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[0:11] <ring0> secure shell
[0:11] <pixel3D> sorry i have no idear what that even is
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[0:16] <pixel3D> what can i do?
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[0:17] <elkng> become voxel2D ?
[0:17] <pixel3D> buy another keyboard?
[0:17] <elkng> pixel3D: buy "The Maker" and print your own keyboard
[0:17] <pixel3D> ...
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[0:18] <pixel3D> plz im out of options i had the same thing a year or so ago, but thought it was a software thing they hadent patched yet
[0:19] <pixel3D> but its just not working exept for the risc os, that one has no iseus with it but the os is slow
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[0:20] <Tachyon`> ?
[0:20] <Tachyon`> RISC OS is probably the fastest OS on the device
[0:20] <Tachyon`> it used to run on 8MHz ARM2 chips
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[0:21] <pixel3D> the inital boot is fast
[0:21] <Tachyon`> I still have an A3020 here running RISC OS 3.1 on an ARM250
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[0:21] <Tachyon`> think that one was 12MHz, it does quite nicely with it though
[0:22] <pixel3D> but befor it gets the background and the website, it takes a long time
[0:22] <pixel3D> this isnt risc 3.1
[0:23] <Tachyon`> no, it's 5
[0:23] <Tachyon`> I've run it on my Pi
[0:23] <pixel3D> but its slow
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[0:23] <Tachyon`> it doesn't have accelerated video yet, is that what you mean?
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[0:24] <pixel3D> il reflash my sd, but i think it was about 5 min to run anyting
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[0:24] * Tachyon` blinks
[0:24] <Tachyon`> something was amiss there then
[0:24] <Tachyon`> it's usualyl booted and ready to use inside half a minute
[0:24] <pixel3D> what pi do u have
[0:24] <Tachyon`> most of the time is waiting for a DHCP response
[0:25] <Tachyon`> I've had both 256 and 512, it was fine on both
[0:25] <pixel3D> i got gen 1 model b
[0:25] <Tachyon`> it doesn't need much ram in itself, although if you're running hogs like firefox...
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[0:25] <Tachyon`> the desktop and so on are in a ROM image
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[0:26] <pixel3D> im just runing stock risc os
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[0:26] <Tachyon`> yeah, but I mean the whole thing is resident in memory when it's running, I can't imagine where such a delay would come from unless it just doesn't like the SD card you're using
[0:27] <pixel3D> class 10 sd card
[0:27] <Tachyon`> yeah, it's not just a matter of class, brand can be an issue (or certain cards within a brand), I think there's a list somewhere
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[0:28] <pixel3D> wel it was the best i cude find
[0:28] <pixel3D> (meaning it was fairly expensive)
[0:29] <pixel3D> ok here we go i booting up
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[0:32] <pixel3D> still booting up
[0:32] <Tachyon`> hrm
[0:32] <Tachyon`> it should definitely boot in less than a minute
[0:32] <Tachyon`> what do you see on screen?
[0:33] <pixel3D> green image with risc os and the pi logo
[0:33] <Tachyon`> you don't see a black window with boot messages?
[0:33] <pixel3D> risc os 190mb
[0:33] <Tachyon`> hrm, somethign is wrong there
[0:34] <Tachyon`> can you try another sd card (and make sure you're using the lateset risc os image)
[0:34] <pixel3D> arm1176jzf-s prosecor
[0:34] <pixel3D> i broke my class 4 on the pi already
[0:34] <Tachyon`> yeah, it's stuck at the OS boot screen for some reason, that's just odd
[0:35] <pixel3D> pull the plug?
[0:35] <Tachyon`> is it the latest risc os image?
[0:35] <pixel3D> from the website yes
[0:35] <Tachyon`> there's a risc os from july 10th
[0:36] <Tachyon`> so it's been recently updated
[0:36] <pixel3D> yes that one
[0:36] <Tachyon`> ah, hrm
[0:36] <Tachyon`> not sure then really, I'd suggest trying another SD card though
[0:36] <pixel3D> im gona re boot and see what happens
[0:36] <Tachyon`> ctrl+break will reboot risc os
[0:36] <pixel3D> it dint recognise my keybord yer
[0:36] <Tachyon`> oh
[0:37] <ring0> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#Working_.2F_Non-working_SD_cards
[0:37] <Tachyon`> then I suppose it won't, lol
[0:37] <pixel3D> no keyboard pressent
[0:37] <Tachyon`> yeah, it usually says no keyboard present, autobooting but you should see that very briefly
[0:37] <Tachyon`> linux doesn't boot either you say?
[0:38] <pixel3D> it boots
[0:38] <Tachyon`> is that also very slow?
[0:38] <pixel3D> but keybeord fails after a wile
[0:38] <Tachyon`> hrm
[0:38] <Tachyon`> are you sure your PSU is adequate
[0:38] <pixel3D> and arch not even wanting the keybeord to bigin with
[0:38] <pixel3D> i did boot into risc today
[0:39] <pixel3D> working keybeord and mouse
[0:39] <Tachyon`> have you got another suitable psu you can try? a phone charger perhaps
[0:39] <Tachyon`> jus tto eliminate that as a possibility
[0:39] <pixel3D> i can plug it into a pc
[0:40] <Tachyon`> er, that might only supply 500mA but you can try I suppose
[0:42] <BCMM> Phosie:, nerdboy: i was highlighted?
[0:42] <BCMM> i was asking about yocto stuff, but not about installing a web server on it. thanks though
[0:42] <BCMM> (or am i looking at the wrong message?)
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[0:43] <Phosie> Looking at the right message I think.
[0:44] <pixel3D> reflashed the sd
[0:44] <pixel3D> it boots straigt into risc
[0:44] <pixel3D> scanning fonts
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[0:47] <pixel3D> and it froze
[0:47] <pixel3D> ...
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[0:48] <pixel3D> no lights blinking, nothings moving or responding. that means it froze right?
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[0:50] <JakeSays> hmm. so my pi runs great in my living room, but fails in my office :(
[0:51] <pixel3D> Tachyon` what screen and colers u got it runing at?
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[1:00] <Tachyon`> it starts up in 1920x1080 automatically
[1:00] <Tachyon`> If you have something else I think it resizes 1920x1080 to tha too...
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[1:04] <josePhoenix> Hi all
[1:05] <josePhoenix> What's the current state of the GPIO Python module? Can I wire up a switch between #17 and GND without resistors if I use the appropriate options?
[1:05] <josePhoenix> I was just looking at https://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/Inputs and it seems I can at least eliminate my pull-down resistor
[1:06] <josePhoenix> maybe I still need the current-limiting one though?
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[1:16] <PipeDale> Evening
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[1:22] <CeilingKitten> Greets =)
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[1:34] <badass> has anyone successfully gotten the berryboot bootloader and the raspberry pi camera module with debian wheezy to work together?
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[1:36] <badass> from what I just read on the pi forums, there have been a couple of people that have had trouble installing the camera module while using the berryboot bootloader
[1:36] <badass> I was wondering if there is a way around this.
[1:37] <badass> Raspi-config shoots back 'there was an error running option 5 Enable Camera'
[1:38] <pksato> updated firmware?
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[1:40] <badass> ye
[1:40] <badass> yes
[1:40] <badass> i used the rpi-update script
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[1:46] <badass> pksato: is that adequate?
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[1:48] <PipeDale> make sure Pi is fully updated
[1:48] <PipeDale> i'd say?
[1:48] <badass> aye, I used the rpi-update script
[1:48] <PipeDale> even though i've never used the camera.
[1:48] <badass> and did aptitute update / upgrade
[1:48] <PipeDale> and restarted since?
[1:48] <badass> yes
[1:48] <PipeDale> Hmm
[1:49] <PipeDale> pass. Sure someone here has an answer.
[1:49] <ring0> generally isn't apt-get much faster on the rpi than aptitude?
[1:49] <badass> apt-get is aptitude, that is what i used
[1:49] <PipeDale> ring0: same
[1:50] <PipeDale> well, apt-get don't read extended
[1:50] <PipeDale> it just installs.
[1:50] <ring0> badass, apt-get != aptitude
[1:50] <badass> okay, well, I used apt-get then
[1:51] <PipeDale> haha
[1:51] <PipeDale> I need a Gentoo image :(
[1:51] <PipeDale> a Raw anyhow.
[1:51] <PipeDale> so i can copy to SD ;p
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[1:53] <badass> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=45466
[1:53] <badass> that is the only forum post that contains my error.
[1:53] <badass> and it seems like the only reply was that he was using berryboot bootloader and running debian straight off the drive worked fine
[1:54] <badass> I was just wondering if someone had found a way around this to prevent me from having to whipe my SD card and only have a single OS on my pi
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[1:56] <PipeDale> hi Phosie
[1:57] <Phosie> Hello PipeDale
[1:57] <PipeDale> how are you?
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[1:57] <Phosie> Not too bad thanks, you?
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[2:00] <PipeDale> bored :(
[2:01] <PipeDale> should be sleeping
[2:01] <Phosie> Aww. :(
[2:01] <Phosie> I should be too.
[2:01] <PipeDale> 1am
[2:02] <PipeDale> but tv is kinda distracting me
[2:02] <Phosie> 1am here as well. I'm trying to get my pi running.
[2:02] <PipeDale> O_o
[2:03] <PipeDale> get card?
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[2:04] <Phosie> Not yet, trying to revive one.
[2:04] <PipeDale> ahhhh :/
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[2:05] <Phosie> Managed to get Arch going, but I didn't edit config.txt so I can't see squat. I don't dare turn it off :P
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[2:05] <PipeDale> my card has been rock solid, from day i got my Raspberry Pi
[2:05] <PipeDale> well one of my Pi's anyhow
[2:06] <PipeDale> and that's a transcend 8GB
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[2:06] <PipeDale> only thing that let's me down, is my crappy Interwebz
[2:06] <PipeDale> and power :(
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[2:07] <Phosie> I'm waiting for my transcend
[2:07] <Phosie> Hurry up Tuesday!
[2:08] <PipeDale> It's like 23hours away
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[2:09] <PipeDale> roll on 21st August
[2:09] <Phosie> roll on September 17th
[2:10] <PipeDale> Holiday?
[2:10] <Phosie> GTA V
[2:10] <Phosie> lol
[2:10] <PipeDale> oh shit yeah :o
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[2:11] <Phosie> language
[2:12] <PipeDale> then FIFA 14 :p
[2:12] <PipeDale> then Ghosts
[2:12] <Phosie> lol
[2:13] <PipeDale> after FIFA it maybe iOS 7
[2:13] <PipeDale> idk though
[2:14] <Phosie> I'll be fine with GTA for months
[2:16] <PipeDale> i'll be happy with FIFA and a stable mobile
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[2:16] <PipeDale> rather than a BETA that's poor :(
[2:17] <Phosie> My phone is old.
[2:17] <ring0> xperia z \o/
[2:17] <PipeDale> Nokia 3210 style. ;p
[2:18] <ring0> at least the battery was great with the 3210 ;)
[2:18] <PipeDale> ring0: there great with iphone 4 too? :P
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[2:18] <ring0> i what?
[2:18] <PipeDale> mine lasts 2days
[2:18] <PipeDale> Easy
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[2:19] <ring0> mine does 3
[2:19] <PipeDale> all smart phones
[2:19] <ring0> barely
[2:19] <PipeDale> are junk
[2:20] <ring0> heh, true actually
[2:20] <ring0> but they're fun
[2:20] <PipeDale> They can't come up with battery to cope
[2:20] <PipeDale> not one small enough for smart phones.
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[2:21] <PipeDale> they make em fine for drills e.t.c
[2:21] <PipeDale> but they are 10 x size of smart phone battery
[2:21] <ring0> somehow seems to be hard to facilitate one, that lasts like the old f.e. nokia 3210
[2:22] <ring0> where you could use your phone for a week or so, without thinking about it
[2:23] <PipeDale> Nokia different type baterry though
[2:23] <ring0> well, it was just an example
[2:24] <SpeedEvil> if you only use your phone for calls, you will see comparable life.
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[2:24] <PipeDale> i still have my N-Gage
[2:24] <PipeDale> ^__^
[2:25] <PipeDale> SpeedEvil: you need to disable mobile data to see any difference in life
[2:25] <PipeDale> if you leave that enabled and in 3G area, say goodbye to battery
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[2:25] <ring0> gotta love 4g ;)
[2:25] <PipeDale> 4G is over priced!
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> I said only calls.
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> if you're using mobile data, that's not only calls.
[2:26] <PipeDale> SpeedEvil: yes but if you have 3G on and still only using a call
[2:27] <ring0> one coud use plain old gprs for calls
[2:27] <PipeDale> 3G is active whilst in call
[2:27] <PipeDale> Flight mode?
[2:27] <PipeDale> ftw.
[2:28] <PipeDale> i only ever use data when out of house if i'm lost and need sat nav
[2:28] <PipeDale> keeps the contract bill down a little.
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[2:29] <PipeDale> ring0: our town has fast 4G :o
[2:29] <ring0> 100mbit?
[2:30] <PipeDale> up to 80Mbps
[2:30] <PipeDale> pretty much Fibre speed.
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[2:31] <PipeDale> This 4G stuff confuses me though.
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[2:32] <PipeDale> why pay so much? when Fibre is half the price
[2:32] <SwK> because the wireless carriers can and do gouge on the prices
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[2:34] <PipeDale> 3GB is good enough to facetime
[2:34] <PipeDale> 3G*
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[2:35] <PipeDale> unless, people carry a laptop with them. Then you wouldn't be able to download to much on mobiles?
[2:35] <davor> weee https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12582342/20130805_022713.jpg
[2:35] <davor> at long last
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[2:35] <davor> I can finally start doing some stuff
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[2:36] <Xark> PipeDale: It depends on the plan. Same price for me (but 2GB cap - which I never go close to since WiFi is mostly everywhere I spend time).
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[2:37] <PipeDale> I'd rather, just pay �20 for fibre and get 3G free :)
[2:38] <kephra> PipeDale, I dont know if all smartphones are junk - but I also still use an old B&W nokia - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6067831 for reasons
[2:38] <ring0> davor, congrats :)
[2:39] <ozzzy> my phone is beige
[2:40] <ring0> davor, and now? traffic lights? led matrix?
[2:40] <PipeDale> kephra: Nokia's are the best i think
[2:40] <Xark> PipeDale: Like I said, the plan is the main difference. :)
[2:41] <PipeDale> Xark: anything in UK
[2:41] <PipeDale> is like �26 upwards with EE
[2:41] <PipeDale> for 500mb data
[2:42] <Xark> PipeDale: Yeah, I am in backwards US. However, 4G isn't a premium over 3G here generally (just the phone and a cap with my provider).
[2:42] <PipeDale> 500mb cap though
[2:43] <PipeDale> for �26 /month
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[2:43] <davor> thanks ring0 heh. hopefully just a few buttons for play/pause/prev/next and a 5-pot equalizer https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12582342/20130805_024305.jpg
[2:45] <davor> For starters :)
[2:46] <Azerus> does anyone know how to get the raspberry pi camera module to work on debian using the berryboot bootloader?
[2:47] <SwK> Xark: I love how over here (in the states) they keep telling us wireless broadband is the same thing as wired broadband… only at like 100 times the cost
[2:48] <mumixam> Azerus: did you run raspi-config
[2:48] <Azerus> yes
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[2:48] <mumixam> and you enabled the camera?
[2:48] <Azerus> it gives me 'There was an error running option 5 Enable Camera'
[2:48] <kephra> SwK, is there any wireless broadband offering 30mbit upload and 100mbit download?
[2:49] <Azerus> I've completely updated firmware and OS
[2:49] <mumixam> not sure then i dont have the camera module myself
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[2:50] <SwK> kephra: you can find some wifi stuff like that
[2:50] <SwK> kephra: but its fixed wireless
[2:53] <ring0> davor, nice :)
[2:54] <davor> thanks :)
[2:55] <ring0> low-level craft
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[2:59] <Azerus> has anyone else experienced an issue with berryboot / pi cam
[2:59] <Azerus> ?
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[3:28] <mumixam> its raspbian isnt it?
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[3:58] <JakeSays> so having to be registered to join this channel is a pain
[3:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Why?
[3:58] <sney> the language rule is a pain too. you get used to it.
[3:59] <comradekingu> JakeSays: i think its to counter those people who join, ask something, then leave before you can paste your reply
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[3:59] <sney> heh, that happens anyway.
[3:59] <JakeSays> language is no prob
[3:59] <sney> it's probably a well-intentioned spam prevention measure
[3:59] <JakeSays> its just my silly client doesn't identify fast enough or something
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> JakeSays, set the server password, don't use nickserv.
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> make the server password accountname:password then you will always be identified.
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[4:04] <JakeSays> ShiftPlusOne: dude.. very cool - thanks!
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[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[4:11] <Phosie> ShiftPlusOne: It's a pain having to be identified when services are down.
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[4:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Phosie, the server password does not have anything to do with the services, I think.
[4:14] <Phosie> so I can still get on here somehow when I can't identify via /msg nickserv?
[4:15] <JakeSays> Phosie: set the server password
[4:15] <Phosie> I would if I knew how.
[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> what irc client are you using?
[4:15] <Phosie> irssi
[4:16] <pksato> even using srv pass, if services out/delay, can not join here.
[4:16] <JakeSays> well that sucks
[4:16] <Phosie> I also agree the language rule is a pain, but I understand why it's in place.
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[4:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, haven't run into problems since setting the server password ages ago. But maybe it's because I am using znc, so I am always on anyway. =/
[4:17] <JakeSays> ShiftPlusOne: i use quassel, so i'm also always on
[4:17] <JakeSays> 'cept when the net splits
[4:17] <pksato> but, for first day join, work fine.
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[4:18] <JakeSays> Phosie: i have no prob with language as long as i remember which channel i'm in.
[4:18] <Phosie> I'll probably be always on once I get my pi running again.
[4:18] <JakeSays> Phosie: what part of the world are you in?
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[4:19] <Phosie> England.
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[4:23] <JakeSays> *sigh* i need to write a manual :(
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[4:28] <Phosie> Just read about somebody who tried to use a watercooled graphics card...without cooling
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[4:29] <Phosie> "I didn't think something like that would matter as long as you have a sufficient PSU that can handle it."
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[4:33] <JakeSays> lol
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[4:57] <Phosie> Just tried to edit config.txt and it said read only file system...wut?
[4:57] <sney> did you mount it readonly?
[4:57] <sney> config.txt is in the vfat boot partition, right?
[4:57] <Phosie> not that i'm aware of
[4:58] <sney> 'mount' will tell you
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[4:58] <sney> if it is mounted ro, you can fix that with mount /dev/whatever -o remount,rw
[4:58] <JakeSays> wooo fixed my a/c in my car
[4:58] <sney> also, sometimes a filesystem will flip to readonly if there is some error
[4:58] <Phosie> removed the card, plugged it in again. All is well
[4:59] <Phosie> Just ubuntu being silly I guess.
[4:59] <sney> oh, that wasn't on the pi. ok
[5:00] <Phosie> had to edit it so i can get a display.
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[5:07] <PipeDale> There's a ubuntu for Pi?
[5:07] <JakeSays> no
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[5:12] <PipeDale> thank god
[5:13] <PipeDale> has anyone got FreeBSD running well on the Pi?
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[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> It's not just a matter of using this image? http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/freebsd/freebsd-pi-r245446/
[5:17] <JakeSays> hmm. i may give that a try
[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Or these instructions https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/Raspberry%20Pi
[5:17] <PipeDale> ShiftPlusOne: it's pretty basic
[5:17] <PipeDale> i think
[5:18] <ShiftPlusOne> That's what I would expect
[5:18] <JakeSays> i imagine it uses the same .bin files as linux?
[5:19] <JakeSays> i'd actually prefer freebsd over linux
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[5:20] <PipeDale> Tempted to play with NetBSD on xen :\
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[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Why BSD anyway? I gave OpenBSD a go, but it didn't seem like anything to write home about =/
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[5:21] <JakeSays> the thing that interests me about freebsd is its choice of tool chain
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[5:22] <PipeDale> ShiftPlusOne: each to there own
[5:22] <PipeDale> personally FreeBSD/Gentoo over debian/ubuntu
[5:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not saying there's anything wrong with FreeBSD, I am just wondering why you prefer it over linux.
[5:24] <PipeDale> much more secure/stable
[5:24] <JakeSays> ShiftPlusOne: just something different is all
[5:25] <PipeDale> i use to host websites
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[5:25] <PipeDale> never used anything other than FreeBSD
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I can see myself using something like that for a server, but not so much for a desktop =/
[5:25] <JakeSays> i dont use my pi as a desktop
[5:26] <PipeDale> who uses pi as a desktop
[5:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I wasn't talking about the pi
[5:26] <JakeSays> lol oh
[5:26] <PipeDale> Desktop i'd choose windows :P
[5:26] <JakeSays> well, i wouldn't use either linux or *bsd as a desktop os
[5:26] <PipeDale> Windows 2000 pro
[5:27] <JakeSays> wha..
[5:27] <PipeDale> JakeSays: my netbook come with windows 7, now running XP & Windows2k Pro
[5:28] <PipeDale> on a dual boot
[5:28] <JakeSays> why?
[5:28] <PipeDale> Windows 7 sucks
[5:28] <PipeDale> Windows 2000 stable
[5:28] <JakeSays> noooo
[5:28] <JakeSays> windows 7 is the best yet
[5:28] <PipeDale> Behave.
[5:29] <PipeDale> the BEST, is windows NT :)
[5:29] <JakeSays> i've worked with every version since 1.05
[5:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Windows ME ftw
[5:29] <ShiftPlusOne> followed by 3.1, obviously.
[5:29] <PipeDale> haha
[5:30] <PipeDale> i've got ME here.
[5:30] <PipeDale> it's a messed version of windows98/win2k
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[5:30] <JakeSays> ah no
[5:30] <JakeSays> its a messed up version of win98
[5:31] <JakeSays> it has nothing to do with win2k
[5:31] <ShiftPlusOne> How does win2k hold up now anyway? Can it still run everything?
[5:31] <JakeSays> no
[5:31] <JakeSays> it suffers from lack-o-driver syndrome
[5:32] <PipeDale> just means you've got to look harder.
[5:33] <PipeDale> windows 2k survived a 2year uptime :P
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[5:34] <JakeSays> if i want uptime i'll run solaris
[5:34] * McBofh ears prick up
[5:35] * McBofh uses Solaris as his desktop
[5:35] <JakeSays> i havent used solaris since it was oracled
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[5:35] * ShiftPlusOne doesn't know anything about Solaris really =(
[5:35] <JakeSays> i do use its file system though
[5:36] <JakeSays> zfs is the best thing since sliced bread
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[5:36] <McBofh> that's for sure
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[5:37] <JakeSays> sure wish someone would port it to windows
[5:37] <McBofh> I know a bloke who was contracted to do that; not sure how far the port got
[5:37] <JakeSays> really??
[5:37] <McBofh> there were some VFS layer issues, apparently
[5:37] <McBofh> yeahg
[5:37] <JakeSays> wow. cool.
[5:38] <JakeSays> that would be an AWESOME contract to have
[5:38] <PipeDale> Oracle is messed.
[5:39] <[Saint]> If Windows had any desire to support filesystems that don't suck, they'd do so. :)
[5:39] <[Saint]> Apparently, they do not.
[5:39] <JakeSays> there's this: https://code.google.com/p/zfs-win/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk
[5:40] <JakeSays> bah. thats a rewrite not a port
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[5:41] <kephra> zfs on linux + linux containers is nearly as good as solaris + zones
[5:41] <kephra> and its not Oracle
[5:41] * McBofh admits to some bias
[5:41] <McBofh> I'm a Solaris kernel developer
[5:41] <JakeSays> McBofh: ah cool
[5:41] * [Saint] has no problems running on F2FS
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[5:41] <JakeSays> you work for snoracle?
[5:41] <McBofh> I work for Oracle
[5:41] <kephra> McBofh, does Oracle sponsor a yacht for developers?
[5:42] <[Saint]> ....lots of RAM, and a fairly brutal RAID array.
[5:42] <McBofh> kephra: I wish!
[5:42] <PipeDale> LOL @ snoracle
[5:42] <JakeSays> McBofh: well, my condolences :p
[5:42] <McBofh> PipeDale: it's old
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[5:42] * McBofh shrugs
[5:42] <JakeSays> but its cool you get to work on the kernel
[5:42] <McBofh> they pay me to work on the OS that I love
[5:42] <kephra> McBofh, An Esse 850 would be a reason to work for them ;-)
[5:42] <PipeDale> Oracle is pants!
[5:42] * [Saint] plays "spot the Brit"
[5:42] <PipeDale> they trying to take CentOS users too :/
[5:43] <JakeSays> McBofh: so how far has zfs diverged since it was sucked in to the oracle black hole?
[5:43] <[Saint]> "pants"? ...nice try, Britty Mc Britishson.
[5:43] <PipeDale> [Saint]: 1point to you.
[5:43] <McBofh> JakeSays: I have no idea where the illumos fork is, compared to ours
[5:43] <JakeSays> McBofh: well, nothing new has been added to zfs since it went closed source
[5:43] <PipeDale> tracert my IP, would tell you ' London '
[5:44] <McBofh> JakeSays: dunno which version of ZFS you're looking at, but if you use one that's written by Oracle, then there's been a *lot* of new features since 2010
[5:45] <JakeSays> McBofh: the only zfs i know of is the one written by sun/oracle
[5:45] <McBofh> JakeSays: unsure then why you reckon there have been no new features added
[5:45] <JakeSays> McBofh: i mean nothing has been added to the open source version
[5:45] <McBofh> correct
[5:46] <McBofh> that's cos Oracle doesn't do Open when it comes to Solaris
[5:46] <JakeSays> so thats what i mean by diverged
[5:46] * McBofh checks the changelog
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[5:47] <[Saint]> PipeDale: there's some massive flaws with assuming IP == locale.
[5:47] <PipeDale> not really.
[5:47] <kephra> Sun was great for open source software: NFS, YP, OpenLook, ...
[5:47] <PipeDale> when it's tunnelbroker
[5:47] <kephra> Oracle was always greedy shit
[5:47] <JakeSays> kephra: yup
[5:47] <[Saint]> (and I generally like to assume that people aren't exposing their personal IPs on IRC, but...apparently, this still happens)
[5:47] * McBofh still has a fondness for the olwm pushpins
[5:48] <JakeSays> McBofh: olwm?
[5:48] <PipeDale> [Saint]: pretty sure +x isn't set here.
[5:48] <McBofh> openlook window manager
[5:48] <JakeSays> ah
[5:48] <[Saint]> Jump over to #freenode and say "Excuse me, kind staffers, may I have a generic hostmask?"
[5:48] <JakeSays> McBofh: so what parts of the kernel do you work on?
[5:48] <[Saint]> BAM. Hostmask. Not exposing your IP if you connect correctly.
[5:49] <[Saint]> s/not/no/
[5:49] <PipeDale> [Saint]: why would it bother me anyhow :)
[5:49] <PipeDale> It's only a crappy vps.
[5:49] <McBofh> JakeSays: I've spent many years doing storage drivers and multipathing, lately I've been working on our command-line management interfaces
[5:49] <[Saint]> You must be the rare 1% with n othing to hide ;)
[5:49] <JakeSays> McBofh: man, that sounds like a whole lot of fun
[5:49] <PipeDale> it's IPv6
[5:50] <McBofh> it can be :-)
[5:50] <McBofh> I've coming to the end of a semi-short leading a team that's rewriting our makefiles
[5:50] <PipeDale> [Saint]: i don't ever use my IPv4 on IRC.
[5:50] <[Saint]> Get into GUI/UX...then you'll stab yourself in the face.
[5:51] <McBofh> proper build infrastructure tends to get neglected when you have VPs demanding project delivery
[5:51] <McBofh> :|
[5:51] <[Saint]> I got into UI design, I liked it very much, then I discovered users...now, I hate it with a passion.
[5:51] <JakeSays> ok rewriting make files would be NO fun
[5:52] <McBofh> yeah
[5:52] <McBofh> because make is .... funky
[5:52] <McBofh> and we're working over about 5000 of them
[5:52] <JakeSays> yikes
[5:52] <McBofh> yep
[5:53] <[Saint]> makefile voodoo can be an artform in itself.
[5:53] <McBofh> fortunately, my (small) team is good
[5:53] <[Saint]> I've met odd souls who enjoy this work.
[5:53] <McBofh> I'd *love* to be able to have more than one variable to expand in a target
[5:53] <[Saint]> It happens, but, not my cup'o'tea.
[5:53] <McBofh> yah
[5:53] <McBofh> same here
[5:54] <overrider_> I want to read a button, connected one wire to 3.3V, the other to a GPIO pin. Do i need to place a resistor somewhere or is this the right way to connect a button?
[5:54] <McBofh> I've had quite a few people tell me that they appreciate what I'm doing, that it's very valuable work, and they wouldn't touch it with a barge pol
[5:54] <McBofh> e
[5:54] <[Saint]> I got very disappointed when I do behind the scenes work and don't see any practical gains.
[5:54] <[Saint]> sure, its good to do, but no one really appreciates it.
[5:54] <[Saint]> well, very few.
[5:55] <[Saint]> I got very bitter after my attempt to understand users and the way they interact with UIs.
[5:55] <[Saint]> So non-obvious sometimes.
[5:56] <JakeSays> i have people for that
[5:56] <[Saint]> I catch myself asking things like "Do these people *really* care if the symbols match their locale? Will the actually notice the flipped ? or not?
[5:56] <[Saint]> "
[5:57] <kephra> they will notice if locale is causing problems, e.g. Germany swaps the meaning of , and . in numbers
[5:57] <[Saint]> UIs that "just work" with any given locale are actually disturbingly hard to achieve. Especially in some of the places I have tried to implement them.
[5:58] <kephra> also utf8 is designed to be a pain in the ass
[5:58] <[Saint]> A. Fricken. Men.
[5:58] <McBofh> .... which is why there is a special 'turd' unicode symbol
[5:59] <[Saint]> U1F4A9 :)
[5:59] <JakeSays> McBofh: did you guys consider moving away from make?
[5:59] <McBofh> JakeSays: yes
[5:59] <JakeSays> what were the alternatives?
[5:59] <McBofh> but not for long
[5:59] <McBofh> ant and maven, basically
[5:59] <JakeSays> ah
[6:00] <McBofh> thing is, we've got several 10s of MLoC, most of which is in C
[6:00] <McBofh> highly parallelised in places, and not in others
[6:00] <kephra> i prefer make + autoconf ... but I normally do a shortcut on autoconf, by writing the configure.in by hand
[6:00] <McBofh> s/places/most places/
[6:00] * McBofh spits on autoconf
[6:00] <JakeSays> yeah autoconf is a friggin' mess
[6:00] * kephra is a heavy M4 user
[6:01] <McBofh> another part of my project is to rewrite our build infrastructure which we wrap around make
[6:01] <kephra> make + m4 is my system administration tool for more then 20 years
[6:01] <McBofh> autoconf gets in the way
[6:01] <kephra> much more flexible then cfengine, puppet or chef
[6:01] <McBofh> they're not tools I'd think of for building an OS
[6:01] <McBofh> installing, perhaps
[6:01] <McBofh> but not building the bits to put in packages
[6:02] <JakeSays> yeah and since solaris isn't ported to a zillion platforms autoconf would add nothing
[6:02] <McBofh> our assessment is that auto* makes repeatable builds quite difficult
[6:02] <McBofh> given our constraints
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[6:03] <JakeSays> well, i was saddened to see opensolaris.org go away
[6:05] <McBofh> me too
[6:06] <hybr1d8> We all were :(
[6:07] <[Saint]> Well, not all. It died for a reason. Someone wanted it.
[6:07] <[Saint]> (be it consciously or otherwise)
[6:07] <JakeSays> that someone would be larry
[6:09] <nerdboy> ever seen larry's harem, er, entourage?
[6:10] <JakeSays> nah larry and i don't hang much any more
[6:10] <nerdboy> lwe, several years ago
[6:10] <nerdboy> he literally had a harem of 8-10 babes following him
[6:11] <nerdboy> both he and scott mcnealy were keynote speakers that year
[6:11] <nerdboy> about all i got from larry's talk was "what a nut-job..."
[6:26] <[Saint]> odd definition of harem.
[6:26] <[Saint]> Harem's don't follow one about, they're stationary. Entourage is likely closer.
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[7:00] <canid> A proper harem should do whatever you tell them to
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[7:08] <JakeSays> hmm. apparently my harem isn't proper
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[9:15] <lkthomas> hey guys
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[9:25] <lkthomas> is that possible to control a 5V motor without PWM ?
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[10:06] <gordonDrogon> morning..
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> lkthomas, you can turn it on and make it change direction - assuming you have the neccessary drivers for it.
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[10:07] <lkthomas> gordonDrogon: do I have to buy PWM ?
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> lkthomas, PWM gives you speed control. if you just need on/off then no.
[10:09] <lkthomas> ok, I am a bit confused, rpi only provide 40mA which can't drive a motor
[10:10] <lkthomas> I need to connect external power for motor and run relay on it ?
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[10:24] <gordonDrogon> if you try to draw 40mA from a Pi's GPIO pin you'll run into trouble.
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> you need a driver chip of some sort.
[10:24] <lkthomas> gordonDrogon: you mean, external power is required ?
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[10:34] <gordonDrogon> lkthomas, very likely.
[10:34] <lkthomas> gordonDrogon: so if I ignore PWM, I could use a relay to drive a motor directly ?
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> but the Pi can't drive a relay, so you need a buffer transsitor to drive the relay.
[10:35] <lkthomas> no wait, how come pi can't drive a relay ?!
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is really really low power on the output side.
[10:35] <lkthomas> is it because of power ?
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> it's 16mA MAX per pin.
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> and 16mA will not drive a relay.
[10:35] <lkthomas> huh?!
[10:35] <lkthomas> I found one only require 4mA
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> yes, indeed.
[10:36] <lkthomas> http://tellhow-tech.com//images/Relay%201.jpg
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> 4mA. Don't belive you. There is no such thing.
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> that relay has a buffer transsitor to drive it.
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[10:36] <lkthomas> OH, the middle black chip ?
[10:37] <lkthomas> sorry, didn't pay attention to that
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> that might be an opto isolator, but there are other chips there too.
[10:37] <lkthomas> right, this seems fit what I need
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> How many motors?
[10:37] <lkthomas> max 2
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> Buy a Piface.
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[10:38] <lkthomas> that's too much isn't it
[10:38] <lkthomas> I think one should be enough
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.farnell.com/piface/piface-digital/board-i-o-expansion-raspberry-pi/dp/2218566
[10:38] <lkthomas> as relay could switch reverse and forward motion
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> It has 2 relays and some other outputs and inputs.
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> You need 2 relays to reverse direction on one motor.
[10:38] <traviscline> anyone have some pointers on rendering a screen cap on a pi via opengles
[10:38] <traviscline> ?
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> OR you use an H-Bridge driver chip.
[10:39] <lkthomas> gordonDrogon: really? two relays ? shit
[10:39] <traviscline> do i need to go through shaders and all that?
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> lkthomas, family friendly channel. Channel Rules: http://tiny.cc/h7za1w
[10:39] <lkthomas> okie.
[10:39] <lkthomas> so one relay can't reverse circuit ?
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> not the normal little relays we use.
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> even a bigger one with doubple pole changeover switches won't really help, you you still need a 2nd to turn it on/off.
[10:40] <lkthomas> so why not buy two relay as I show to you
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[10:41] <gordonDrogon> because you seem to have a general lack understanding and the piface makes it easy.
[10:42] <lkthomas> that's a big shame, but yes, I am lack of understanding
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> we're all learning.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> but if you want to go down that route, then you need 2 of those little relay boards per motor - if you want to reverse the motor.
[10:42] <lkthomas> OH no no
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> if you just want on/off in one direction then you just need one relay per motor.
[10:42] <lkthomas> basically I want to do curtain control
[10:42] <lkthomas> blind or unblind
[10:43] <lkthomas> two motor control two direction
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> so relays per motor.
[10:43] <lkthomas> on off or off on
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[10:43] <lkthomas> yes, that will be two relays
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> per motor.
[10:43] <lkthomas> why
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[10:44] <lkthomas> on off ->>>
[10:44] <lkthomas> off on <<<-
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> you need to reverse the current through the motor (and I'm assuming you're using DC motors here)
[10:44] <lkthomas> not reverse
[10:44] <lkthomas> wait, here is the logic:
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> ok. so you have one motor to open the blinds and one to close them?
[10:44] <lkthomas> yeah
[10:44] <lkthomas> exactly
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> ok. 2 relays.
[10:44] <lkthomas> LOL
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> one per motor.
[10:44] <lkthomas> thanks
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> it does seem a rather odd setup though.
[10:45] <lkthomas> cost of new motor + relay is cheaper than complication I am going to suffer
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> how are you going to detect that the blind is fully open or closed to stop the motor?
[10:45] <lkthomas> calculate by time,
[10:46] <lkthomas> I assume RPM is similar everytime it move
[10:46] <lkthomas> or am I assume too much ?
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> http://madeofwynn.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/picard-facepalm.jpg
[10:46] <lkthomas> huh?!
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> one day a cat will get stuck in it.
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> or a child.
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[10:47] <lkthomas> come on, only curtain
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> or the motor will stall/break.
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> give it a go. see what happens.
[10:48] <lkthomas> thanks for helping, I know it's not prefect but yet it would solve my problem. one more thing
[10:48] <lkthomas> does Zigbee or X10 device worth to try ?
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[10:49] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea. never used them. maybe someone else has.
[10:49] <lkthomas> ok, thanks
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> don't blow yourself up. Or the Pi.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> test everything before connecting the motors up.
[10:50] <nid0> i've used both briefly, my lighting uses lightwaverf though
[10:50] <lkthomas> I think all the time will be using low voltage motor
[10:50] <nid0> theyd all be easy to integrate with a pi
[10:50] <lkthomas> nid0: does Zigbee is cheap to implement ?
[10:50] <nid0> yeah
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[10:50] <nid0> well
[10:50] <nid0> ish
[10:51] <nid0> using z-wave would usually be a better bet as there's a much wider range of cheaper stuff that uses it
[10:52] <lkthomas> I live in Hong Kong, basically it's very expensive to ship anything from EU or west side
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> ironic as it's cheap to get stuff to the UK from HK/.cn ...
[10:54] <lkthomas> well, I don't know where to buy those in HK
[10:54] <lkthomas> nid0: are you using z-wave
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> the only wireless stuff I've used on a Pi has been the ciseco stuff. "just works"
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> It's 838MHz though.
[10:54] <nid0> not in "production", I have played with the kit though and will ultimately end up using a combination of lightwaverf and z-wave
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> however I'm currently experimenting with a tiny add-on board that has a 38KHz Infrared decoder on-board. it's showing a lot of promise.
[10:55] <lkthomas> gordonDrogon: too advanced for me :P
[10:56] <nid0> lightwaverf does really nice sockets and switches that're just physically nicer than most of the z-wave kit but they dont really do much beyond that
[10:56] <nid0> whereas most of the cheaper z-wave stuff is kinda plasticky but there's all sorts of kit available, from motors to thermostats/boiler controls and full security systems
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[10:56] <lkthomas> LOL
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[11:51] <ShadowJK> DX to HK should be cheap, right? :-)
[11:55] <lkthomas> brb
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[14:27] <plm> Hi all
[14:27] * Firehopper slowly muddles through python learning to try and figure out how to do something.
[14:28] <Firehopper> I know python can do what I want, just have to figure out how to do it.
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[14:28] <plm> people, do you know a good board accessory to PI for fly(accle, gyros, magnetometer) ?
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[14:29] <Firehopper> your gonna have to create one
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[14:29] <Firehopper> I dont think theres a IMU avail for the pi yet
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[14:37] <gordonDrogon> plenty of I2C IMU's that should work.
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[14:41] <plm> gordonDrogon: Firehopper are there, like this: https://www.gumstix.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=262
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[14:47] <gordonDrogon> Seems to have a lot more than what's needed for an IMU though.
[14:48] <plm> gordonDrogon: yes, but is just to plug to USB in PI. I would like some like that, to connect to pi via usb or serial, etc and use it. ROBOVERO is fine, but expensive
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> ah, USB.
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> Lots of stuff here, but all I2C: https://www.sparkfun.com/search/results?term=imu
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[14:56] <gordonDrogon> ah, some are serial, so coule be used with usb via fttd type adapter.
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[15:00] <plm> gordonDrogon: please, paste the url of this serial..
[15:00] <plm> gordonDrogon: ahh ok, I see link above your last message
[15:00] <plm> =D
[15:00] <plm> sorry
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[15:03] <plm> gordonDrogon: ohh that's are just 50% less than Robovero, so is better pay $40 more and have robovero where is to have a lot more than what's needed and I can use python to control it..
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[15:11] <gordonDrogon> if you think so. your choice afterall...
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[15:12] <PipeDale> O_o
[15:12] <IT_Sean> ?
[15:13] <PipeDale> firewall works
[15:13] <PipeDale> didn't before wtfz
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[15:14] <CeilingKitten> Anyone tried FireSSH for chrome and firefox, It gives you your own virtual terminal and can login with keyfiles or passwords =) pretty neat
[15:15] <Firehopper> hiya ck :)
[15:15] <CeilingKitten> It's no where near as feature rich as say putty or kitty, mobaterm, etc,. but its kind of neat donno how secure it is
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[15:15] * Firehopper yawns and rrs trying to wrap his head around python
[15:15] <plm> PI with Poe will be a excelent board =D
[15:15] <CeilingKitten> hi Firehopper =) you hear the good news on udoo ? FCC & CE approved now
[15:15] <Firehopper> no I didnt..
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[15:15] <CeilingKitten> update 26 on the kickstarter i just got it this morning
[15:16] <CeilingKitten> =) apparently they are "On schedule", so thats exciting
[15:16] <IT_Sean> Firehopper: I spent all weekend trying to wrap my head around python. It's hopeless, trust me.
[15:16] <CeilingKitten> In russia python wraps its head around you,.. wait no thats everywhere,..
[15:16] <CeilingKitten> >_<
[15:16] <IT_Sean> lol
[15:16] * CeilingKitten lame joke powers activate
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[15:18] <CeilingKitten> The only python command i know is python SomeoneSmarterWroteThisFile.py
[15:18] <CeilingKitten> I'm thinking of giving it a go, i got a basic knowledge of C++
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[15:18] <McBofh> as a hard-core C programmer, python isn't that bad
[15:19] <bacobart> Learning OO programming skills takes much longer than a weekend.
[15:19] <McBofh> agreed
[15:19] <McBofh> and if you're careful, you can do OOP in C, too
[15:19] * IT_Sean has done OO programming before. Just not Python.
[15:19] <CeilingKitten> object oriented?
[15:20] <bacobart> yes
[15:20] <McBofh> yep
[15:20] * IT_Sean spent most of friday and saturday night playing with python and now is a bit tired.
[15:20] * McBofh decides that he's done enough mucking around with the Solaris linker and should go to bed
[15:20] <CeilingKitten> >.> everything i hear about OOP, i think of the time the school tried to trick us into learning Turing -_-''
[15:21] <CeilingKitten> it was an ok intro, to the idea of programming but i would have rather just gone straight to C,
[15:21] <bacobart> no you wouldn't
[15:21] <bacobart> its way too easy to shoot yourself in the foot in C
[15:21] <bacobart> or blow your foot off
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[15:27] <McBofh> CeilingKitten: while I prefer to use C for pretty much everything, I think I would have gotten up to speed on several difficult concepts faster if I'd used python first
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> I prefer straight C.
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> if it's good enough for hte Linux kernel...
[15:27] <McBofh> gordonDrogon: not just the linux kernel, but any kernel
[15:27] <Firehopper> canid has been helping me. I guess I need to go though the tutorials and do it that way.. but basicly I want a program to read a special bmp file, extract the pixel data (rgb values) for each pixel, and then use that info to write a stub for arduino
[15:28] <Firehopper> we already have the python file reading a bmp and extracting the data..
[15:28] <Firehopper> thats easy.
[15:28] <McBofh> gnite all
[15:29] <Firehopper> I dont know how to access the tuple yet, or open a empty text file or how to format the data to what I need..
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> McBofh, I was under the impression that MS Win was c++ BICBW ...
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[15:37] <pksato> Firehopper: Its is not easy task, BMP is very complex file format. Use some lib, like libgd to access image data.
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[15:39] <mgottschlag> Firehopper: e.g. http://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/python_files_io.htm for a tutorial how to create a text file
[15:39] <mgottschlag> and how you read pixel data really depends on what you use to load the image
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[15:49] <pksato> or python-imaging
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[15:56] <Firehopper> anyone know what VM is best? oracle free one or vmware free one?
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[15:58] <kephra> Firehopper, do you really need a VM? Do you want to run BSD or Windows under Linux? Else I would suggest /join #lxc if you want to run Linux under Linux.
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[15:59] <Firehopper> I want to run a small linux distro under windows for python testing.
[16:00] <kephra> *ok* so I would go with VirtualBox
[16:00] <wbx> Firehopper: virtualbox is fine. I like it.
[16:01] <Firehopper> I'm tryin to make a python program for reading tiny images and making a arduino code file to display said image with a home made rgb stick :)
[16:01] <Firehopper> using POV or slow shutter :)
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[16:02] <Firehopper> and what distro do I want that is like raspbian?
[16:02] <wbx> Firehopper: debian/wheezy
[16:03] <Firehopper> okie :)
[16:03] <Firehopper> thanks :)
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[16:05] <Firehopper> should I go for 32 or 64 bit?
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[16:06] <kephra> you only need 64bit if you have more then 4GB for RAM+graphic card
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[16:06] <kephra> else 32bit are shorter and faster
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[16:07] <Firehopper> I have 4 gig main ram, video card has its own 1 gig..
[16:07] <Firehopper> and I'm runing 64bit windows
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[16:09] <wathek> Hi everybody
[16:09] <Phosie> Hello
[16:09] <wathek> when I run vcgencmd measure_temp I'm getting a tempretaure of 45.5�C is that fine ?
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[16:10] <ShiftPlusOne> wathek, yes, that's quite cold.
[16:10] <wathek> I'm not using any heatsink or cooler
[16:10] <wathek> ShiftPlusOne, I'm overclocking it
[16:10] <IT_Sean> you don't need one, wathek
[16:10] <IT_Sean> That's a fine temp
[16:10] <wathek> and running Samba, Apache, Mysql on it
[16:10] <ShiftPlusOne> wathek, 80 is 'hot'
[16:10] <wathek> I see
[16:10] <Phosie> it's fine wathek
[16:11] <wathek> that's cool
[16:11] <ShiftPlusOne> exactly
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[16:11] <wathek> thank you guys
[16:11] <wathek> ;)
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[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[16:16] <fisher> hi guys
[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> hi
[16:17] <fisher> quick question - whats the exact arch of the raspi? armhfp ?
[16:18] <ShiftPlusOne> ARMv6
[16:18] <ShiftPlusOne> (ARM11)
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[16:19] <fisher> ah cool
[16:19] <fisher> thanks! :)
[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[16:19] <CeilingKitten> I have a random question, When i SSH in, rather than using screen to connect and disconenct from various apps, can i like get a split screen terminal and run for cli apps at once or something?
[16:20] <ShiftPlusOne> CeilingKitten, you can split the screen with.. screen.
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[16:20] <CeilingKitten> O_o i guess i got to read some manpages lol
[16:20] <CeilingKitten> Glad to know its possible, Thanks ShiftPlusOne.
[16:20] <pksato> new shell ?
[16:20] <ShiftPlusOne> CeilingKitten, http://tomlee.co/2011/10/gnu-screen-splitting/
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[16:20] <CeilingKitten> I was just thinking there is so much wasted space in the terminal when full screened
[16:21] <fisher> if you're new to screen you might try tmux instead btw, imo its simpler
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> don't full screen it - run several smaller ones.
[16:21] <CeilingKitten> i know midnight commander sort of splits the screen but tis just one app, i figured anything is possible in linux though =)
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> which is how I work - many small terminals.
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[16:22] <CeilingKitten> lol sounds like more work, more terminals to login, more screens to reattach
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[16:24] <gordonDrogon> re-attach? it's just ssh commands.
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> or not if it's local stuff.
[16:24] <Phosie> I use tmux (I think that's the name)
[16:24] <Phosie> Amazing program
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> I've always hated the "whole screen" approach.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> and I gave up on 'screen' about 23 years ago when I moved off vt100's (& other glass ttys) onto X windows.
[16:25] <Phosie> I have my terminal split into two. IRC on the top, whatever else on the bottom.
[16:25] <CeilingKitten> haha
[16:26] * IT_Sean has three terminal windows open, all fullscreen, on three seperate desktops
[16:26] * IT_Sean can swoosh between them w/ a keyboard combo
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[16:26] <CeilingKitten> I'm hoping to set it up so when i login it shows my 4 main apps split screen,
[16:26] <Phosie> I have different workspaces. Internet on 1, terminal on 2, then usually thunar on 3
[16:27] <CeilingKitten> well i will play with screen and give tmux a look in a bit too, im sort of use to screen so it will get first chance =)
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[16:27] <IT_Sean> I have IRC, the company chatroom, and a web browser on Workspace 1. Workspace two is $logserver from $datacenter(a), Workspace 3 is $logserver from $datacenter(b), and Workspace 4 is a terminal on my local system
[16:27] <CeilingKitten> thanks for the recommendation though Phosie =)
[16:28] <ShiftPlusOne> transitioning to tmux from screen is quite easy
[16:28] <ShiftPlusOne> and yes, it's technically better
[16:28] <Phosie> I agree.
[16:28] <Phosie> It's easier in my opinion.
[16:28] <Phosie> Instead of screen -r <id> or whatever it was, just do tmux -attach
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> opening many xterms is easier for me.
[16:29] <Phosie> gordonDrogon: I only have a 10" screen, otherwise i'd probably do that.
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> eek.
[16:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Phosie, if you're doing screen -r id, you're doing it wrong, heh.
[16:29] <CeilingKitten> same hotkeys ? ctrl+a ctrl+d ect,.?
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> But on my AAO, I have 9 virtual desktops - each one can have a couple of xterms in it.
[16:29] <CeilingKitten> i always did screen -r id lol
[16:29] <Phosie> I am?
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[16:30] <Phosie> I think so, I can't remember about the hotkeys.
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[16:31] <Phosie> I use virtual desktops, but I can't really have much on each.
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[16:33] <smeb> What causes "kernel panic - not syncing"? i tried rebooting (clean reboot) my raspbmc yesterday and it did this
[16:33] <smeb> so then I reinstalled raspbian with noobs, and it did the same thing on first boot. now running openelec and that seems fine, but this isn't the first time it's happened
[16:33] <smeb> (used to happen once every couple of weeks until I bought a new sd card - but this card is <1 month old!)
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> http://moor.drogon.net/dump/screen.png
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> the virtual desktops are indicated at the top-right here. 9 of them.
[16:35] <Phosie> Right, going to take my friend to the shops to help her buy a laptop. Back in a bit :)
[16:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Phosie, I don't normally have multiple screen sessions running, so screen -x works fine enough.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> that's showing just one of them. I tend to have a "project" in each virtual desktop. Each project has many terminals.
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[16:36] <gbaman> gota love the terminals titled "onthetrain" :)
[16:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Argh.... I would be extremely uncomfortable using that layout.
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> that's a Linux PC on the train indicated by the gps plot..
[16:36] <Phosie> That's cool, I like it.
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm typing remoely to a train doing 1000mph..
[16:36] <Phosie> Anyway, cheerio.
[16:36] <ShiftPlusOne> a 4:3 screen a vertical panel... madness D=
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[16:37] * SpeedEvil wants 4:4 displays.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> I don't like widescreens.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> not enough height. I like to read top to bottom.
[16:37] <ShiftPlusOne> You get used to them.
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> not sure what I'll do when my current one gives out - probably need to get something much bigger just to get the same height.
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[16:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Though 99% web sites to put all content into a tiny bit of horizontal space... =/
[16:38] <ShiftPlusOne> *seem to
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> and while flowed text is good, flowed to the width of 1920 pixels is hard to keep track )-:
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[16:40] <CeilingKitten> well installing tmux, screen is a nightmare lol xD
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Fair criticism. I don't tend to come across much text that actually goes all the way across the screen though.
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> CeilingKitten, what happened?
[16:40] <CeilingKitten> i can open and browse between them but each section is dead, the cursor is there but i cant type in any of them
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ctrl-a c in them
[16:40] <SwK> Xon xoff
[16:40] <CeilingKitten> ctrl+a TAB i jump to the split on the bottom cant type or do anything
[16:41] <Firehopper> installing debian to the vm :)
[16:41] <SwK> Metakey q
[16:41] <CeilingKitten> i just i need to send screens to each box by title or something
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> you need to create the window... you've split it, but haven't put anything in there.
[16:41] <SwK> CeilingKitten: That was for you
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[16:49] <CeilingKitten> aaah, i was being dumb, i re read it all and now i got it working
[16:49] <ShiftPlusOne> What was the problem?
[16:50] <CeilingKitten> Well some how i miraculously locked it all up and had to restart putty, but i was creating them and not starting the terminal in each one
[16:50] <CeilingKitten> so i had tons of them but they werent active
[16:50] <CeilingKitten> ctrl+a c
[16:50] <CeilingKitten> i was doing ctrl a, ctrl shift c etc,.
[16:51] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/ ShiftPlusOne> ctrl-a c in them
[16:51] <PipeDale> Ahhhh
[16:51] <PipeDale> this lag :\
[16:51] <CeilingKitten> sorry ShiftPlusOne, I was being a Harris
[16:51] <ShiftPlusOne> lol!
[16:51] <CeilingKitten> I don't mean to be Harriss'ing you with
[16:51] <CeilingKitten> questions
[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
[16:52] <CeilingKitten> sorry my lame jokes
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[16:53] <ShiftPlusOne> It's alright, for a while, bricking a pi was called Danieling here.
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[16:53] <ShiftPlusOne> IIRC the guy dropped a solder blob on the pi while it was on O_o
[16:53] <CeilingKitten> haha oh i guess i missed that era
[16:54] <CeilingKitten> -_-
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[17:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ey
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[18:18] <TurtleTemps> hey
[18:18] <Encrypt> TurtleTemps, o/
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[18:20] <TurtleTemps> 3 port usb hub with 3 buttons an LED and 128x64 oled for about �24 sound good to anyone?
[18:20] <Encrypt> Maybe a bit expensive? :/
[18:21] <Encrypt> Uh!
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[18:21] <Encrypt> 128x64 oled // Whit a screen?
[18:21] <Encrypt> With*
[18:21] <IT_Sean> what... a USB hub, with a screen and buttons?
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[18:22] <TurtleTemps> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ytPKSggDw
[18:22] <ShorTie> sounds nifty
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[18:23] <Encrypt> A bit gadget?
[18:23] <TurtleTemps> its the remote for console backup device
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[18:24] <TurtleTemps> http://www.teensy.co.uk/xk3y-xkey-remote-screen-v2-replacement-inc-power-data-usb-cables-48.html
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[19:10] <Chex> RaspberryPI referenced in this article: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/a-cheap-spying-tool-with-a-high-creepy-factor/?nl=technology&emc=edit_tu_20130805&_r=0
[19:11] <chris_99> so is it just listening to wifi or bluetooth
[19:11] <chris_99> it's not terribly clear
[19:12] <Chex> chris_99: I think wifi
[19:12] <Chex> chris_99: and the implication being, if your wifi is off, theres nothing it tracks
[19:13] <chris_99> it'd probably be more interesting if it could check cell phone ids
[19:13] <chris_99> which iirc are in plaintext
[19:14] <Chex> chris_99: do those get leaked out over wifi?
[19:14] <chris_99> no you'd need an SDR
[19:15] <IT_Sean> ^ why i keep wifi on my phone turned off, 'less i need to use it.
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[19:16] <Chex> IT_Sean: same here
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[19:21] <ShorTie> lol, doesn't help much unless you unplug the battery
[19:23] <Chex> ShorTie: and wrap it in tinfoil? :P~
[19:24] <IT_Sean> Um... Turning off wifi is an effective way to prevent being tracked by wifi.
[19:24] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
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[19:25] <Chex> IT_Sean: I think I see some black heli-hoppers near ShorTie's house .. :o
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[19:31] <chris_99> doesn't stop the NSA listening to your phone calls and tracking your location though ;)
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[19:43] <SwK> Or just activating the noc over the cell network and listening to everything else tpp
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[19:44] <Chex> chris_99: "Im in your phonez... listening to yer bitz! "
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[19:51] <poli> Is there a maximum current that can de drawn from the +5 line?
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[19:52] <_Trullo> yes
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[20:00] <Phosie> Hello again.
[20:00] <poli> _Trullo: do you know what that is?
[20:01] <pksato> poli: less that 300mA.
[20:02] <poli> pksato: so limit is 300mA? Can you point me to some documentation?
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[20:06] <pksato> is not limit. 5V is after F3 polyfuse, rated at 750mA. RPi need more that 300mA + 300mA to usb (rev 1) + some margin.
[20:06] <PipeDale> Hello Phosie
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[20:08] <Phosie> I have irssi on my pi now, woohoo!
[20:08] <pksato> that is code of i2c io expander chip?
[20:08] <poli> pksato: thanks1
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> I'm playing with some IR decoding myself... Who'd have thought just how many different proprietary methods there are )-:
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> it's madness.
[20:13] <IT_Sean> Madness?
[20:13] <IT_Sean> MADNESS!?
[20:13] <Datalink-M> It
[20:13] <Phosie> Heh
[20:13] <Datalink-M> And thus this room became awesome
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[20:20] <Phosie> and thus this channel went quiet.
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[20:22] <Phosie> brb
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[20:58] <applepi> Hi all. :) So.. I have a pseudo-pi related question. I'm working on my own ARM board, and I really want to make a Debian port for it, but I'm having trouble finding much on how Raspbian was developed. Does anyone have anything they can point me at?
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[20:59] <sney> applepi: your best bet would probably be to hang out in #raspbian until plugwash shows up, and then interrogate him
[21:00] <sney> (nicely)
[21:00] <sney> although, if you can swing it, using armv7 would eliminate the need for a separate debian port
[21:00] <Phosie> interrogate...nicely. I liked that.
[21:01] <sney> and then you could do a blend instead, and your users would still have access to the huge wealth of official debian support resources
[21:01] <applepi> sney: ah, I didn't even notice there was a #raspbian.
[21:02] <ShorTie> what, no water boarding .. :(~
[21:03] <applepi> sney: I'm new to messing with major distros, previously we've just been building our own with buildroot. I've been looking through the Debian ARM pages, but I'm not sure what you mean by blending.
[21:04] <sney> a debian blend is a selection of packages, usually accompanied by a custom installer. it's debian, targeted for a specific use case
[21:04] <sney> all too often, based-on-debian has no real justification other than people don't know about blends
[21:05] <sney> raspbian is justified due to the Pi's hardware limitations. but if you're going to roll your own ARM board then you can avoid that problem
[21:06] <Phosie> I love setting up a pi for the first time.
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[21:06] <ShorTie> you can't just raspbian in it ??
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[21:08] <applepi> hrm
[21:09] <sney> the debian ecosystem is immensely valuable for users and developers alike. if there's no good reason to separate yourself from it, don't
[21:10] <applepi> Yeah. That's the entire reason I want a Debian-based Linux for this board.
[21:10] <ShorTie> might need to "tweek" the compiler a touch
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[21:11] <sney> but you need to understand: "debian-based" separates you. Once you make changes, you aren't debian anymore, and the support and bug fixing etc. resources no longer apply
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[21:12] <sney> I guess it comes down to whether you want to build this for release or just for personal lab work
[21:13] <ShorTie> sounds like a lot of work for personal lab work
[21:14] <sney> indeed, but so does building an arm board from scratch
[21:14] <sney> I can't get inside the brain of a CE/EE student
[21:14] <applepi> Its a release product. I want it as Debian as it can be. Package management in particular, as right now our buildroot based board has no package management and we have to try to cram as much as possible into the images we push out and hope nobody needs anything else.
[21:15] <ShorTie> ya, since you gotta be a million of them to get the real good info
[21:15] <sney> what cpu?
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[21:16] <applepi> For the new board? Nothing is decided yet, we're still exploring options.
[21:16] <nmpro> applepi: Are you planning on calling it applepi?
[21:17] <applepi> XD
[21:17] <sney> go armv7 or greater, use debian armhf, and don't task your development team with supporting both a new hardware device AND an entire operating system.
[21:17] <sney> really.
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[21:17] <sney> raspbian would not exist if debian armhf supported armv6.
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[21:19] <Kane> salut
[21:19] <applepi> I don't plan on making any big changes to the OS or anything. The thing I was concerned with is the current board is custom, and required it's own board.c file to build the kernel. Special stuff in init.
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[21:20] <applepi> I am fairly sure the next board will be custom as well (as much as I'm begging)
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[21:21] <applepi> (begging for it to be something that we can just buy and in theory just works)
[21:21] <sney> so what you can do, as long as the board.c file and the 'special stuff' is sufficiently free, is go to #debian-arm and work with debian to make the real thing work on your hardware
[21:21] <ShorTie> it's hard to end with prepackaged stuff when you start off custom
[21:21] <sney> similar to what a long-time debian developer I know did with the EeePC
[21:21] <applepi> right on.
[21:22] <sney> (that channel is on OFTC, by the way.)
[21:22] <applepi> by 'special stuff' i only mean board initialization that's sufficiently different than other boards that it won't boot without it :P
[21:23] <applepi> but if I can hit up the arm folks and make our board 'just work' that would be fantastic.
[21:24] <sney> and if any changes need to be made, they can just be made in debian, and that's much better than striking off on your own and doing everything yourself and supporting it yourself until the end of time
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[21:27] <applepi> yeah for sure
[21:27] <applepi> i am liking the sound of this.
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[21:27] <sney> (plus I'm sure they would have some advice on hardware choices)
[21:28] <applepi> Man thank you so much for all this. This is great.
[21:29] <sney> no problem.
[21:29] <applepi> This whole 'rolling our own' thing can be neat but it's hell
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[21:29] <applepi> to maintain and update
[21:29] <sney> indeed. don't reinvent the wheel.
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[21:30] <applepi> The partition where the kernel images are stored on it are readonly.. so we pushed out an update and the only way to install it was to go pull all the devices down and get into the bootloader and change the bootargs.. spent a month trying to find a way to do it remotely.
[21:30] <applepi> insane.
[21:31] <Encrypt> applepi, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kipooHI1NGc :)
[21:32] <Encrypt> Thanks for the hidden music suggestion :p
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[21:33] <applepi> Hah. My pleasure. :P
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[21:49] <Zackio> Hello, I tried sudo apt-get install -f and I get dpkg: error processing libc6:armhf (--configure):
[21:49] <Zackio> package libc6:armhf is not ready for configuration
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[21:49] <Zackio> I have tried all the things I know to try and fix this, even Google.
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[21:50] <Zackio> It happened because I was quite stupid and used a package from sid/experimental.
[21:51] <Zackio> And removed libc. >:I
[21:54] <CeilingKitten> zackio maybe reinstall libc somehow manually if apt-get wont let you
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[21:56] <CeilingKitten> is libc a single file? i can copy out and you can paste in?
[21:56] <Zackio> I honestly don't know. D:
[21:56] <Zackio> Maybe /var/lob/libc
[21:56] <Zackio> Or libc6
[21:57] <Zackio> S/lob/lib/
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[22:05] <CeilingKitten> =| i dont see it
[22:05] <CeilingKitten> maybe it has a package .deb you can get in the raspbian packages mirror on HTTP
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[22:15] <applepi> you're looking for libc? the actual library itself?
[22:15] <applepi> i don't have a pi handy but it should be under /lib or /usr/lib
[22:15] <applepi> most likely /lib though
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[22:17] <applepi> No, it wouldn't be /usr/lib... just try 'find / -name libc*.so"
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[22:19] <applepi> Er, 'find / -name libc*.so*'
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[22:23] <CeilingKitten> thanks applepi
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[22:23] <CeilingKitten> zackio i can upload libc for you donno if it helps
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[22:28] <phosie> Bad SD cards suck.
[22:31] <sney> s/Bad//
[22:31] <sney> keep spares!
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[22:31] * IT_Sean flicks a 128mb SD card at phorce1
[22:31] <IT_Sean> oops
[22:32] * IT_Sean flicks a 128mb SD card at phosie
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[22:35] <phosie> I don't have spares, they both died!
[22:35] <phosie> and Amazon has a stupidly slow dispatch time, I'm even paying for delivery.
[22:36] <IT_Sean> o_O
[22:36] <IT_Sean> Is there not a Local Electronics Reseller near you?
[22:36] <phosie> It shouldn't take nearly 5 days for them to put a card in an envelope and slap my name on it.
[22:36] <IT_Sean> Is there not a Local Electronics Reseller near you?
[22:36] <phosie> Yes but Amazon is easie.r
[22:36] <phosie> easier.
[22:36] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[22:36] <IT_Sean> you can buy an SD card almost anywhere.
[22:37] <IT_Sean> Your local corner shop probably keeps them in their photo department.
[22:37] <IT_Sean> The Bent Staple has them.
[22:37] <johnc-> the bent staple?
[22:37] <IT_Sean> RadiosHack has them
[22:37] <johnc-> is that next to the krusty krab?
[22:37] <chithead> you can buy microsd cards at every phone shop (they come with adapter usually)
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[22:38] <IT_Sean> johnc-: No. You know... the Bent Staple. "That was easy" ::hint::::hint::::nudge::::hint::
[22:38] <johnc-> I need to get a couple of proper sized SD cards
[22:38] <johnc-> the adapters are getting funky
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[22:41] <Phosie> Is a relibale internet connection too much to ask for/
[22:41] <Phosie> ?
[22:42] <sney> probably
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Phosie: Where do you live?
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[22:42] <sney> mrs. sney used to live in a mountain town inside a national park where the copper lines hadn't been replaced since they were installed in the 70s/80s
[22:42] <Phosie> England.
[22:43] <Phosie> It seems my router is at fault.
[22:43] <sney> the internet was horrendously bad there for a while
[22:43] <Phosie> Probably made by some kid in a sweatshop for 50p
[22:43] <PipeDale> Phosie: depends on isp i guess
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[22:44] <PipeDale> and location of living
[22:44] <Phosie> Rebooting the router fixes the problem.
[22:44] <IT_Sean> Phosie: Then yes. Unless you want to pay through the nose for it, a reliable connection is too much to ask for.
[22:44] <sney> consumer routers are a hard technology to get wrong, but it is easy to overtax them with traffic and services and such
[22:44] <PipeDale> Phosie: yeah possibly a lot of noise down the line then :(
[22:44] <PipeDale> I had the same issue with Bethere/o2
[22:45] <Phosie> I've had to reboot the router 3 times in 24hrs
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[22:45] <PipeDale> then sent 4 new routers as they said it was router fault
[22:45] <sney> I had a d-link router that worked just fine as a dumb AP but if I started enabling things like NAT and running a lot of traffic through it it didn't take long for it to go "aieeee" and reset
[22:45] <sney> at least it reset itself, though.
[22:45] <PipeDale> Phosie: which ISP?
[22:45] <Phosie> Sky
[22:45] <PipeDale> Ahhhhh
[22:45] <PipeDale> You can't swap them routers :(
[22:46] <CeilingKitten> =|
[22:46] <PipeDale> unless you ask them for details (ie, username/password)
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[22:46] <sney> crappy isp routers are the worst. not designed for, shall we say, power user-level traffic and usage. but you're stuck with it! hooray!
[22:46] <PipeDale> which is locked into the firmware of the router
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[22:46] <PipeDale> sney: mines pretty stable from PlusNET
[22:47] <Phosie> i'm stuck with their terrible routers, which I can't do anything with.
[22:47] <CeilingKitten> My ISP tells you to bring your own or buy one and you have to buy a proper modem/router, not some junk they picked and crippled the firmware
[22:47] <PipeDale> Technicolor TG582n
[22:47] <Phosie> can't even switch to google DNS
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[22:47] <PipeDale> That's why i can't wait for the Fibre.
[22:47] <sney> I have one that is seemingly intended to be forwards compatible with later isp upgrades and it is just okay. but its embedded httpd that it uses for the config interface crashes pretty easily and sometimes the dynamic QoS gets confused
[22:48] <Phosie> I can view any connected devices, but i can't boot them. What good is that?
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[22:48] <PipeDale> the firmware can relax more on my Router as it won't be a modem
[22:48] <PipeDale> Phosie: i can disabled selected devices internet for selected times :)
[22:49] <PipeDale> which is fantastic, when my house mate abuses
[22:49] <Phosie> I can tell it's going to be a long week.
[22:49] <Phosie> I hope my SD card arrives tomorrow.
[22:49] <CeilingKitten> pipedale what router?
[22:49] <PipeDale> CeilingKitten: Technicolor TG582n
[22:49] <PipeDale> :)
[22:49] <Datalink> http://illogicallabs.com/paste/00000003.txt anyone here understand ffmpeg?
[22:50] <PipeDale> running a BETA firmware
[22:50] <CeilingKitten> PipeDale, I got pfsense someone setup for us
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[22:51] <PipeDale> Local pub i do work for has Clarkconnect.
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[22:52] <CeilingKitten> i kind of wanted to try clearos, it looks like a router, webserver, and nas all in one or something
[22:52] <PipeDale> and wireless access points connected to it, they limit users speed (But it's free)
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[22:53] <PipeDale> pfsense is amazing though.
[22:53] <CeilingKitten> i like it cuz the gui is so easy, i've never played with the plugins but i saw a youtueb someonme chroot a bittorrent client into their firewall
[22:53] <CeilingKitten> not sure that was a good idea but if its always on anyways lol
[22:54] <PipeDale> Ewwww
[22:54] <CeilingKitten> lol
[22:54] <PipeDale> my Fibre router is a Netgear WNR1000
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[22:58] <jda2000> Anybody here able to get motion to work with a Logitech QuickCam 4000 Pro USB on rasbian? Must I have a powered USB hub for that?
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[23:00] <canid> probably
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[23:01] <canid> when it comes to usb peripherals on embedded devices, when in doubt, give it more (regulated) current.
[23:01] <Datalink> jda2000, do you get any image from the camera?
[23:01] <canid> I know my phone wouldn't even power a mouse or keyboard without external power.
[23:02] <rikkib> I tend to test camera current... I built and adapter to test.
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[23:02] <jda2000> Datalink, No, as far as i can tell, motion never saved any images.
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[23:02] <jda2000> And I don't have cheese.
[23:03] <rikkib> set rsolution to 352x288
[23:03] <jda2000> rikkib, Thanks.
[23:03] <jda2000> afk...
[23:03] <Datalink> jda2000, I mean using other applications
[23:04] <rikkib>
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[23:04] <rikkib> This cam system runs motion on the RPi and the gateway (i386)
[23:05] <rikkib> The RPi run from nfs
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[23:05] <rikkib> nfs is served by the gateway
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[23:06] <rikkib> The RPi's just have boot on a 2gb sd read only
[23:06] <nmpro> rikkib: wow.. messy .. lol
[23:06] <nmpro> office that is...
[23:06] <rikkib> Computer recycling ltd NZ
[23:06] <nmpro> ahh cool!!
[23:07] <Encrypt> rikkib, That's as messy as the last time you showed it to us =D
[23:07] <rikkib> That is tidy as a new op manager started
[23:07] <Encrypt> rikkib, I'm joking :p
[23:07] <rikkib> He has cleaned up the office a lot
[23:07] <rikkib> Outside it always looks like that
[23:08] <Encrypt> :)
[23:08] <nmpro> looks like he's cleaning now
[23:08] <nmpro> lol
[23:08] <Encrypt> :p
[23:08] <rikkib> Even when the load a 40 foot container it seems to look the same :)
[23:08] <Encrypt> "How to spy on employees worldwide thanks to a Raspberry Pi" :p
[23:08] <nmpro> lol
[23:08] <nmpro> damn it's tomorrow morning there.. lol
[23:09] <PipeDale> LOL is he stealing something on the right hand camera
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[23:09] <rikkib> jda2000, If you want to see my config for the rpi cams let me know
[23:09] <nmpro> well that was fun.. back to work..
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[23:12] <canid> that office looks like my
[23:12] <canid> every space I've got
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[23:24] <CeilingKitten> Thats the messiest warehouse, office i've ever seen
[23:25] <CeilingKitten> xD
[23:25] <Encrypt> o/ CeilingKitten :)
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[23:28] <CeilingKitten> hi Encrypt =)
[23:28] <CeilingKitten> how are you ?
[23:28] <Encrypt> Fine, and you? :)
[23:28] <Firehopper> hiya ck :)
[23:29] <Encrypt> I've been playing with my iNum yesterday :p
[23:29] <CeilingKitten> hi Firehopper
[23:29] <Encrypt> Whenever I'll have it configured on my smartablet, my parents will be able to call me for free from our "internet box"
[23:30] <Encrypt> Woot woot \o/
[23:30] <rdz> hi all. why does the bash from raspbian wheezy not know the 'resize' command?
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[23:31] <canid> the xterm utility?
[23:31] <CeilingKitten> resize for partitions?
[23:31] <canid> in any event, it is either not present, or not in your paths
[23:33] <canid> if you know where it is, you need to make sure its directory is included in your path variable, or make sure you're curretly in the directory where it resides when you try to call it
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[23:44] <Datalink> mmm, watching ffmpeg compile on the work backup Pi... I'm wondering how many days this will take
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[23:48] <rikkib> http://etech.designspark.info/ELE_0087/EN/index.html#/1/
[23:48] <rikkib> Design spark features Raspberry Pi
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[23:53] <jda2000> rikkib, Thaks for the offer. I just noticed that when plugged into my desktop system the WebCam is actually warm to the touch. I won't be trying again until I have a powered usb hub.
[23:54] <jda2000> s/Thaks/Thanks/
[23:54] <rikkib> I have tested a couple of logi techs and from memory they did not drawa lot of current
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[23:55] <rikkib> The two cams you see in the link... One has a hub and the other direct
[23:57] <rikkib> Of course I have access to lots of second hand cams and have tested a few that were broken and drawing to much current
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[23:58] <rikkib> Currently have a cam that seems to have gone bad and the connection between the cam and the rpi falls over all the time
[23:59] <rikkib> Nonetheless motion does work in you run an old kernel
[23:59] * Kane (~Kane@ADijon-257-1-31-250.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) Quit (Quit: Night all o/)
[23:59] <rikkib> Note the usb is broken on the latest kernel
[23:59] <rikkib> I use kernel 3.1.09

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