#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-08-06

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[0:00] <rikkib> Breakfast tiime in NZ
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[0:01] <nmpro> lol.. almost dinner time here in nm
[0:01] <jda2000> rikkib, Thanks for all that and enjoy your breakfast!
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[0:11] <jbr> Evening folks. Looks like chromium isn't available for wheezy. Am I mistaken?
[0:13] <elkng> who is that http://image.bayimg.com/2102d7388e7429056091b83c28c880f2699f37bb.jpg ?
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[0:14] <rikkib> 2012-08-16-wheezy-raspbian.zip is the version I use on cameras
[0:14] <PipeDale> rikkib: what software is that you are running?
[0:15] <rikkib> Unfortunately I do not have a lot of out bandwidth here
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[0:15] <rikkib> I run cameras with motion and 3.1.09 kernel from that version (above) of rapsbian
[0:16] <rikkib> After that version of the kernel they changed to a different usb firmware that means motion is not stable
[0:17] <rikkib> The issue being partial usb packets arriving at the uvc video driver
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[0:18] <rikkib> As the firmware source is not available there is nothing the community can do about it...
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[0:19] <rikkib> Plus I have seen the issue reported and signed off as fixed when I know it has not.
[0:20] <rikkib> Broadcom just reenforces the poor reputation it already has in the industry.
[0:20] <jbr> hmm. I have a laptop camera that I need to solder to a USB connector and see if that works..
[0:20] <PipeDale> I wonder if my web cam is supported
[0:21] <PipeDale> I know the Pi picks it up
[0:21] <jbr> far down my list of tasks unfortunately.
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[0:21] <jbr> I'm trying to get the binary emotions EDS/Kiosk build to work with model B rev2
[0:23] <jbr> so I'm just mounting the ISO and moving his bits into a clean booting version of Wheezy.. But the config page is based on Chromium. I think I'll need to hack it to iceweasel-only
[0:27] <PipeDale> i guess it's picked up my webcam
[0:27] <PipeDale> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:0870 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express
[0:28] <jbr> I got some crazy obscure one.. It's the embedded webcam from some crappy Acer sold at Walmart 4 years ago
[0:29] <jbr> hmm. I may have tossed it.
[0:29] <jbr> that's unlike me.
[0:30] <rikkib> I have found web cams work on the resolution of 320x240 or 352x288
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[0:30] <rikkib> older ones are 320x240 and newer ones may be 352x288
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[0:31] <jbr> yeah I found it. I'm as much of a packrat as I remembered.
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[0:31] * rikkib is a packrat
[0:31] <bertrik> before UVC, and before USB 2.0 high speed, many webcams used their own proprietary format
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[0:35] <PipeDale> I need linux drivers now
[0:35] <PipeDale> :(
[0:35] <PipeDale> for my webcam
[0:36] <PipeDale> the Joys ^__^
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[0:39] <jbr> now I need to figure out which pins are which on their little molex connector. green/red I think I can guess.. purple and blue - which is data+ ?
[0:40] <jbr> actually - they may have followed the wire order so I can just follow the USB order. yay.
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[0:46] <PipeDale> That's killed that
[0:46] <PipeDale> Webcam drivers won't install
[0:46] <PipeDale> :O
[0:47] <rikkib> Raspbian?
[0:50] <jbr> so no thoughts on Chromium on Wheezy?
[0:50] <rikkib> Chrome is heavy
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[0:51] <rikkib> But I do not run RPi gui much at all
[0:51] <kephra> PipeDale, PI cam worked out of the box for me (raspbian) - but I read here, that different boot loaders might cause problems
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[0:53] <rikkib> Think he is talking about a web cam
[0:54] <PipeDale> yeah rikkib
[0:54] <PipeDale> my logitech
[0:54] <rikkib> I have cam module here as well... Seems to work fine but have not had time to do much with it.
[0:55] <rikkib> PipeDale, lsmod and look for uvc
[0:55] <jbr> Yeah Chrome is heavy. Some people were saying it performs better than Midori due to acceleration?? Not sure what they're accelerating with pi's hardware..
[0:55] <jbr> Iceweasel is heavy too
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[0:56] <rikkib> lynx
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[0:56] <jbr> Midori's docs are too light - I can't find what I need about fixing keybindings.
[0:56] <rikkib> lightweight
[0:56] <jbr> Though I may just unbind them with xmodmap anyway
[0:56] <jbr> a bit too light weight.
[1:00] <rikkib> Time to try and diagnose what is wrong with my Toyota (GM) Cavalier. My $50NZD ODBII Scan tool arrived from China.
[1:01] <jbr> Toyota Cavalier. Wow.
[1:01] <jbr> That's worse than my old Geo (Toyota Corolla) Prism
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[1:02] <jbr> argh where'd this guy hide the apache daemon start..
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[1:15] <PipeDale> overclock ruined my card
[1:15] <PipeDale> :p
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[1:17] <ring0> which level of overclocking?
[1:17] <PipeDale> 1ghz :p
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[1:18] <ring0> well
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[1:21] <jbr> heh
[1:21] <qmr> What is the fastest filesystem for an external drive? and any thoughts on if it will be fast enough to record FRAPs to?
[1:22] <comradekingu> f2fs
[1:24] <PipeDale> heh
[1:24] <PipeDale> that didn't work :o
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[1:25] <PipeDale> rikkib: what kernel you on?
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[1:32] <ParkerR> qmr, Umm what does FRAPs have to do with Raspberry Pi? Assuming FRAPs on Windows then you would be limtied to FAT32/NTFS
[1:33] <ParkerR> In that case NTFS would be faster (and support large files)
[1:33] <PipeDale> ha
[1:34] <PipeDale> that works
[1:34] <PipeDale> but size is crap
[1:45] <ParkerR> PipeDale, Size of what is crap?
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[1:48] <PipeDale> webcam
[1:48] <PipeDale> for motion
[1:49] <rikkib> use vlc to view
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[1:49] <rikkib> I use kernel 3.1.09 for the stable web cams I run
[1:50] <PipeDale> mines saying unable to open device
[1:50] <PipeDale> :(
[1:50] <rikkib> My $50NZD OBDII scan tool says my dtc sensor is not working I think
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[1:51] <PipeDale> rikkib: i can get pictures from the webcam
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[1:51] <PipeDale> just motion can't open it?
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[1:51] <ParkerR> Do you have the right camera in the motion conf?
[1:52] <PipeDale> ParkerR: /dev/video0
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[1:52] <rikkib> chan 0
[1:53] <rikkib> or 6 I think are the recommended
[1:53] <PipeDale> well /dev/video0 is default
[1:53] <PipeDale> as i plugin cam
[1:55] <rikkib> input 8 is what I have my motion set to
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[1:55] <rikkib> I think 0 also works with some cams
[1:55] <PipeDale> same
[1:55] <PipeDale> tried both :\
[1:55] <rikkib> Hmmm
[1:57] <PipeDale> i need a config
[1:57] <PipeDale> that works
[1:57] <PipeDale> :/
[1:57] <PipeDale> fswebcam -r 352x292 -d /dev/video0 test.jpg
[1:57] <PipeDale> that captures fine
[1:59] <davor> hmm... I need a big project
[1:59] <davor> or maybe a small one...
[2:00] <davor> a project nonetheless though!
[2:02] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/rpi/motion.txt
[2:02] <rikkib> my motion conf
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[2:04] <rikkib> Quality has two settings... I set to 95% as I have found cams that do not like 100%
[2:04] <PipeDale> rikkib: i will try
[2:04] <rikkib> 99% ok 100% no go
[2:05] <rikkib> Just one of the many quirks I have found when testing
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[2:05] <qmr> ParkerR: The hard drive is attached to the pi
[2:08] <RTLShadow> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/1jry4d/raspberry_pi_camera_streaming_problems/
[2:08] <RTLShadow> anyone guys?
[2:08] <PipeDale> rikkib: your config the same
[2:08] <PipeDale> unable to open /dev/video0
[2:09] <rikkib> Check the owner of the device
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[2:10] <PipeDale> how?
[2:10] <rikkib> chown motion:motion /dev/video0 and see if that allows you to access it.
[2:10] <rikkib> ls -al /dev/video0
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[2:11] <PipeDale> crw-rw---T 1 motion motion 81, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/video0
[2:11] <rikkib> ls -al /dev/video0
[2:11] <rikkib> crw-rw---T 1 root video 81, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/video0
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[2:12] <rikkib> chown root:video /dev/video0
[2:13] <PipeDale> no luck :\
[2:13] <PipeDale> wtf
[2:13] <rikkib> Hmmm
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[2:14] <PipeDale> It's very weird
[2:14] <PipeDale> if you ask me.
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[2:15] <rikkib> I wonder if motion has grabbed the dev and won't let it go... Have you rebooted?
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[2:15] <PipeDale> rikkib: yes
[2:15] <PipeDale> i've rebooted
[2:16] <PipeDale> I'm trying again.
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[2:17] <PipeDale> still says it.
[2:17] <rikkib> Got me stumped now
[2:18] <rikkib> Are you running from the command line?
[2:18] <PipeDale> daemon
[2:18] <rikkib> You can set it so it gives more info by running from command line
[2:18] <PipeDale> how? :P
[2:19] <rikkib> daemon off
[2:19] <rikkib> which is most likely is
[2:20] <rikkib> and
[2:20] <rikkib> setup_mode off
[2:20] <rikkib> change setup_mode to on
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[2:21] <rikkib> them type motion after stopping the daemon
[2:21] <PipeDale> [1] Config palette index 6 (YUYV) doesn't work.
[2:21] <PipeDale> [1] Supported palettes:
[2:21] <PipeDale> [1] 0: GRBG (GRBG)
[2:21] <PipeDale> [1] Unable to find a compatible palette format.
[2:21] <PipeDale> [1] ioctl (VIDIOCGCAP): Inappropriate ioctl for device
[2:21] <rikkib> then try with setup_mode off
[2:21] <rikkib> Change to the suggested pallette mode
[2:22] <rikkib> 0
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[2:22] <rikkib> motion logs to syslog tail -f /var/log/syslog
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[2:23] <rikkib> motion daemon logs to syslog... cmnd line to console
[2:24] <PipeDale> It's stating
[2:24] <PipeDale> 0: GRBG (GRBG)
[2:24] <PipeDale> I've changed :\
[2:25] <PipeDale> what shall i put then?
[2:26] <PipeDale> because 0: GRBG (GRBG)
[2:26] <PipeDale> isn't listed
[2:27] <rikkib> Maybe try # V4L2_PIX_FMT_RGB24 : 4 'RGB3'
[2:27] <rikkib> Or just go through the list 0 - 8 and try each one
[2:28] <rikkib> If you run from command line you will see straight away if it goes on not.
[2:30] <rikkib> Could be that your cam uses an unsupported palette.
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[2:32] <PipeDale> ahhh
[2:32] <PipeDale> webcam isn't supported.
[2:32] <PipeDale> :o
[2:33] <PipeDale> that's why pretty much
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[2:33] <rikkib> Well at least you know how to figure things out now.
[2:35] <PipeDale> this one works
[2:35] <rikkib> Just type my nick if you need help again with cams... My client gives me a heads up... NZ time utc _12
[2:35] <PipeDale> just black screen :)
[2:35] <rikkib> +12
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[2:39] <rikkib> Tue Aug 6 12:38:40 NZST 2013 food.....
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[2:48] <PipeDale> :p
[2:48] <PipeDale> rikkib: enjoy.
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[3:08] <PipeDale> I best
[3:08] <PipeDale> buy a new cam then
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[3:11] <rikkib> Look for ones that support uvc
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[3:19] <PipeDale> rikkib: it can be used this cam
[3:19] <ring0> or get the rpi cam
[3:19] <rikkib> ?
[3:20] <ring0> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Camera_Module
[3:20] <rikkib> I think uvc is a pretty modern standard so anything that supports uvc is likely to work on the rpi
[3:21] * LaxWasHere is now known as LaxWasThere
[3:21] <rikkib> as for the rpi camera module... It is for HQ images/vids
[3:21] <rikkib> 2400 odd pixels
[3:22] <ring0> but it just works ;)
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[3:26] <rikkib> I must take a decent shot with the camera module so I have something to put up on my web site.
[3:27] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/rpi/cam1.jpg
[3:28] <rikkib> My cam module looking up at the web cam that looks down on my desk.
[3:29] <ParkerR> rikkib, Taking a very long time to load
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[3:29] <rikkib> 100kbps
[3:29] <rikkib> adsl out
[3:30] <rikkib> http://bencom.co.nz:8081 should work
[3:30] <rikkib> The web cam looking down at my desk
[3:31] <rikkib> Web cam is the one on the left with all the wires and stm32v
[3:33] <rikkib> the rpi cam takes 3. something mbyte pics
[3:33] <rikkib> web cam 50kbps stream
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[3:34] <rikkib> at 340x240
[3:34] <Chandler001> Hello, I am building a quadcopter but i'm in need of some help on powering the raspberry pi itself.
[3:36] <rikkib> Power it via the gpio via a 1a polyfuse
[3:36] <rikkib> See my desk cam :)
[3:37] <Chandler001> What?
[3:38] <rikkib> Radio supply 12v to dc-dc converter to a board with polyfuse to gpio....
[3:38] <rikkib> On my desk
[3:38] <rikkib> The dc-dc converter also runs a stm32v and relay board.
[3:38] <Chandler001> Mind Querying me? I feel i'm missing something and don't want to make a fool of myself.
[3:39] <Phosie> rikkib: give him a link
[3:39] <rikkib> I presume you want to power rpi from dc
[3:39] <Phosie> to your cam
[3:39] <rikkib> http://bencom.co.nz:8081
[3:39] <Chandler001> Well - from a battery. It'
[3:39] <Chandler001> it's being used in a quadcopter.
[3:40] <Chandler001> I have 4 30A ESCs going to 1 motor each.
[3:40] * qmr wonders what rikkib's link is
[3:41] <Phosie> Desk cam qmr
[3:41] <rikkib> Go to the web cam and have a look. I will bring the cam close to the devices
[3:41] * Firehopper bounces, thanks to canid my python image parser works :)
[3:42] <Firehopper> and its really short too :)
[3:42] <PipeDale> woah
[3:42] <Firehopper> 883 bytes :)
[3:42] <PipeDale> Phosie: shouldn't you be asleep?
[3:42] <Phosie> I should.
[3:42] <Phosie> bit bright rikkib
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[3:42] <rikkib> Adjusting light
[3:43] <PipeDale> darn
[3:43] <PipeDale> either i've got lag
[3:43] <rikkib> Thats the dc-dc
[3:43] <PipeDale> or that link has
[3:44] <rikkib> Hope to many people are not looking.
[3:44] <rikkib> I only have 100kbps out
[3:44] <PipeDale> Not good.
[3:45] <rikkib> To hard to get a good pic
[3:45] <rikkib> Back to desk view
[3:46] <rikkib> best viewed with vlc than it is easy to magnmify
[3:46] <PipeDale> I guess
[3:46] <PipeDale> motion is like webcam xp
[3:47] <rikkib> Anyway back to Chandler... I will get you a link to the dc-dc I use
[3:47] * PipeDale turns Phosie router off
[3:48] <Phosie> I get squat from the stream in VLC
[3:48] <Phosie> Oh, now it works
[3:48] <Phosie> Kinda...
[3:48] <rikkib> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-PCS-LLOT-LM2596-DC-DC-Converter-Power-Supply-Buck-Step-Down-Module-4-40V-to/526499533.html
[3:49] <rikkib> Polyfuses at 1A at your hobby shop
[3:50] <rikkib> Adjust dc-dc to give 4.90 - 4.95v at tp1 -tp2
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[3:59] * Phosie slaps PipeDale around a bit with a large trout
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[4:01] <PipeDale> oh gosh the fish
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[4:02] <Phosie> I'll be sleeping soon, I'm up early.
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[4:05] <PipeDale> Phosie: same
[4:05] <PipeDale> in 2hours
[4:05] <PipeDale> :(
[4:07] <Phosie> Ouch!
[4:07] <Phosie> more like 7-8 for me.
[4:07] <PipeDale> that's not early
[4:07] <PipeDale> :)
[4:08] <Phosie> True. If I was working I'd be up in 4 hours.
[4:09] <Phosie> Earning moolah
[4:11] <PipeDale> I've gotta drive tomorrow
[4:11] <PipeDale> well in a few hours.
[4:11] <Phosie> I'm shopping.
[4:11] <PipeDale> 4/5hours drive
[4:11] <PipeDale> and back!
[4:11] <Phosie> Had to drive today though, fuel warning light came on lol.
[4:11] <Phosie> That's not good1
[4:12] <PipeDale> i have a choice
[4:12] <PipeDale> my car, or the truck
[4:13] <PipeDale> either way, i'll get free fuel :)
[4:13] <Phosie> Woo!
[4:13] <PipeDale> and my car is likely to break down
[4:13] <Phosie> Oh.
[4:13] <PipeDale> infact, possibly won't start
[4:14] <PipeDale> It's been like 4months since i've used it
[4:14] <Phosie> wow
[4:15] <PipeDale> waste really, should sell
[4:15] <PipeDale> 09 plate seat leon
[4:15] <PipeDale> doing nothing :(
[4:15] <Phosie> I have a corsa, 2002
[4:15] <PipeDale> I'd rather a corsa any day!!
[4:15] <PipeDale> Seat Leon has cost me a lot :(
[4:15] <Phosie> ;)
[4:16] <PipeDale> It's only a 1.4, but had �7,000 spent on engine (Previous Owner)
[4:16] <Phosie> Mines only a 1.0
[4:17] <PipeDale> i had a *nova*
[4:17] <PipeDale> GSi
[4:17] <PipeDale> but they've all died :P
[4:17] <PipeDale> typical vauxhall though
[4:17] <Phosie> They're awesome.
[4:18] <PipeDale> what nova's?
[4:18] <Phosie> Yeah.
[4:18] <PipeDale> Nova/Corsa
[4:18] <PipeDale> I wouldn't own a Nova ever again
[4:18] <rikkib> Deskcam off... Killing my gigs
[4:18] <Phosie> Aw
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[4:19] <PipeDale> Phosie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtmqcGsuf0U
[4:20] <PipeDale> LOL
[4:21] <Phosie> Haha :)
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[4:22] <PipeDale> 1 reason i'd never have a nova :P
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[4:27] <Phosie> oops
[4:27] <PipeDale> welcome back.
[4:27] <Phosie> Thanks
[4:28] <PipeDale> I feel old
[4:28] <PipeDale> these late nights killing me :(
[4:28] <Phosie> Aww
[4:29] <PipeDale> I really need a decent camera
[4:29] <Phosie> Me too
[4:29] <PipeDale> then i can watch my drive way :)
[4:29] <PipeDale> from work.
[4:29] <Phosie> I have a ps2 eyetoy
[4:30] <PipeDale> does that work on Pi?
[4:30] <Phosie> Yes :)
[4:30] <PipeDale> Nice
[4:30] <PipeDale> Send it here? :)
[4:30] <Phosie> Terrible quality
[4:30] <PipeDale> ohhh i would guess it would be
[4:31] <kephra> PipeDale, Lada Niva is a fine car, imho - never tried the Nova
[4:31] <PipeDale> Lada? haha
[4:31] <Phosie> Good enough for me though
[4:31] <kephra> and Corsa is total different - Corsa is GM/Opel
[4:32] <Phosie> Vauxhall/opel
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[4:32] <PipeDale> vauxhall is opel?
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[4:32] <djshotglass> i have been using a 3A usb hub for my pi
[4:32] <PipeDale> Opel Manta
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[4:32] <PipeDale> :p
[4:32] <djshotglass> my usb ports no longer work
[4:32] <Phosie> I guess so
[4:32] <djshotglass> even if i dont use hub
[4:32] <djshotglass> could the hub have cooked the pi ports?
[4:33] <PipeDale> djshotglass: possibly?
[4:33] <PipeDale> Phosie: we call it vauxhall
[4:34] <PipeDale> everyone else calls it opel
[4:34] * Phosie nods off in the corner.
[4:35] * PipeDale pokes Phosie
[4:35] * Firehopper bounces :)
[4:35] <Firehopper> python program works :)
[4:35] <Firehopper> should also work on my pi :)
[4:35] <Phosie> Ow.
[4:36] <Firehopper> an its only 820 bytes
[4:37] <Phosie> I want to use my pi ;(
[4:37] <PipeDale> Phosie: i thought it was booted?
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[4:38] <Phosie> Card corrupted a few hours later.
[4:38] <kephra> Firehopper, 820 bytes + 2.6MB for the python bloat
[4:38] <Firehopper> true
[4:38] <Firehopper> but it saves me so much time :)
[4:39] <PipeDale> Phosie: that's rubbish!
[4:39] <Firehopper> creates a 130K arduino source file :)
[4:39] <Phosie> I still haven't soldered some wires onto my motor either...hmm
[4:39] <PipeDale> Phosie: how many cards you gone through?
[4:40] <Phosie> 2
[4:40] <PipeDale> :\
[4:40] <PipeDale> in how long?
[4:41] <Phosie> About a year.
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[4:41] <PipeDale> also, you don't overclock do you?
[4:41] <Phosie> I used to, but stopped after corruption.
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[4:41] <PipeDale> i would
[4:42] <PipeDale> mines at 900mhz
[4:42] <PipeDale> that's about it
[4:42] <PipeDale> arm & sdram freq
[4:42] <PipeDale> only two i've touched
[4:43] <Phosie> I can't even use it right now, nevermind overclock :P
[4:43] <PipeDale> harhar :P
[4:43] <PipeDale> you can today =]
[4:43] <Phosie> Hopefully card will arrive.
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[4:45] <Phosie> At least shopping will cheer me up.
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[4:49] <Phosie> Bedtime, goodnight PipeDale
[4:50] <JakeSays> Phosie: g'nite
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[4:51] <[Saint]> Portal: Feline Edition - http://goo.gl/eTlrfr
[4:51] <[Saint]> whoops. c/p mishap. my bad.
[4:54] <JakeSays> so it appears pi's are more sensitive to heat than people think.
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[5:01] <[Saint]> JakeSays: What makes you say that?
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[5:05] <JakeSays> [Saint]: mine wont stay running w/o a fan.
[5:05] <[Saint]> At what clock rate?
[5:06] <JakeSays> 700
[5:06] <[Saint]> What temperate does the device report without a fan?
[5:06] <JakeSays> dunno. didnt ask it
[5:07] <[Saint]> Unless you live in Hell, it rather sounds like your unit is defective.
[5:07] <[Saint]> A pi should _NOT_ need a fan for normal operation.
[5:08] <[Saint]> That even allows for an ambient temperature of around ~40C
[5:10] <[Saint]> If it is reaching 85C (the thermal shutdown limiter), during normal operation, located in a room with a comfortable ambient temperature, something is wrong.
[5:11] <JakeSays> [Saint]: all i know is it shuts down w/o the fan :(
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[5:11] <[Saint]> How old is this unit?
[5:11] <[Saint]> I would investigate a warranty claim.
[5:12] <JakeSays> i got it in december
[5:12] <[Saint]> It rather sounds as though the unit is defective in some fashion.
[5:12] <[Saint]> What you describe really shouldn't be happening with normal use and stock clock ratings.
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[6:08] <savid> For some reason i'm not seeing /proc/asound. Any ideas why?
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[6:18] <nerdboy> no patience...
[6:24] <[Saint]> 7 minutes is quite long compared to some. :)
[6:24] <[Saint]> In another channel I frequent, support requests and quits are often less than a minute apart.
[6:26] <geordie> i love that
[6:26] <geordie> ...and repeats of the request
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[6:38] <[Saint]> [16:26:22] --> annoying_impatient_retard (~annoying@impatient/retard) has joind #channel_name; [16:26:23] <annoying_impatient_retard> Iz ne1 thur?; [16:26:24] <annoying_impatient_retard> cn u help plz?; [16:26:25] <-- annoying_impatient_retard (~annoying@impatient/retard) has quit (Quit: rage quit)
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[6:48] <Chandler001> Can anyone help me with hooking up a lipo to 4 ESC and powering my raspberry pi?
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[8:59] <MannDude> Anyone know if there is a specific 'minimal debian' OS for the Pi for use as a local webserver?
[8:59] <MannDude> Or should I just use raspbian and cut everythign out?
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Or just get the minimal raspbian image.
[9:00] <MannDude> Just need a minimal install, no desktop, all that
[9:00] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=42667
[9:00] <MannDude> Ah, didn't know ther ewas one
[9:01] <MannDude> ShiftPlusOne, do you think that'll do what I want to do here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=51957 without much hassle?
[9:02] <MannDude> I was previously using my Pi differently, and had a lot of hassle but I believe that had to do with trying to bridge the connection from my PC to my Pi. My PC connects to the net wireless (then), and I could never get the Pi connected to the net. Now I've got direct access to a router so everything is wired now.
[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> It's too much text and I am half asleep, so i am just going to go with 'yes' >.>
[9:02] <MannDude> That works too =]
[9:03] <ShiftPlusOne> (sorry, one of those days =P)
[9:03] <MannDude> No worries man. It's 3AM here. I should be tired too.
[9:05] * rdz is surprised the the analog jack of the rpi sounds so decent
[9:07] <Xark> rdz: PWM generated, I believe.
[9:07] <ShiftPlusOne> 'tis
[9:07] <olefowdie> I just wish that RISCOS had wifi capabilities... Linux is just so darned heavy on the pi.
[9:07] <ShiftPlusOne> It's great without X
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[9:08] <willybilly0101> arch is blazing fast on pi
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[9:27] <gordonDrogon> for what you get in Linux I'd say the advantages far outweight it's precieved disadvantages compred to a 25 year old OS that can't support Wi-Fi... All depends on what you want to do of-course..
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[9:27] <gordonDrogon> however neither can make my breakfast, so I'd best get on with it :)
[9:30] <olefowdie> as opposed to a 22 year old OS that makes the pi run slow as molasses?
[9:31] <olefowdie> the only advantages that I see are that Linux has some more software, but even things like SSH can be achieved in RISCOS with ethernet.
[9:31] <ShorTie> os doesn't make it run slow
[9:31] <ShorTie> adding other programs does
[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I have never seen the linux kernel 'lag' the pi either
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[10:06] <gordonDrogon> quite right, ShorTie - the OS isn't the slow part, it's the applications.
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[10:13] <ShorTie> just l00k at dos and what happens when you add the windows ap
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[10:26] <olefowdie> except that XP isn't DOS in anyway. It's NT5.
[10:26] <olefowdie> the last DOS based Windows release was ME.
[10:26] <olefowdie> the shocking thing is that XP requires very little to run
[10:27] <olefowdie> it will run perfectly well with about the same power the Pi has
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[10:36] <ShorTie> xp was designed to run on alot less then the rPi
[10:37] <ShorTie> but by the time you get it updated to sp3, it will roll over and die
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[10:42] <kaste> well the pi actually is pretty much equivalent to the original minimum requirements
[10:44] <ShorTie> lol, 512 meg of memory back then was a dream
[10:45] <elkng> "the last DOS based Windows release was ME", what was the last the last BSOD based Windows release ? or they are all BSOD compatible ?
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[10:48] <MrVector> (B)lue (S)creen (o)f (D)eath compatible? Doesn't sound very desirable
[10:48] <MrVector> :)
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[10:50] <rikkib> I have a Win98 machine... I still see the BSOD sometimes
[10:51] <elkng> rikkib: "I see BSOD", call bruse willis
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[10:51] <elkng> pun intended
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[10:51] <elkng> spoiler: bruse willis is BSOD
[10:51] <kaste> ShorTie: except that the ram isn't really the bottleneck on the pi and a 700 mhz arm is about a 300 mhz PII
[10:53] <MrVector> I had one of those PII badboys, loved it
[10:54] <elkng> I have PII 350 right next to me, not working, no power supply, no HDD, no RAM
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[11:04] <bacobart> bsod's nowadays are usually caused by hardware or shitty drivers
[11:04] <bacobart> nt kernel's pretty solid
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[11:23] <olefowdie> bacobart, yeah, the NT kernel is good enough. it's just everything else in Windows that remains suspect.
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> bacobart, family friendly channel please...
[11:24] <olefowdie> *BSD is okay, but you have no hardware support. Linux is fine, except that X sucks, and there isn't decent software for certain things.
[11:24] <olefowdie> then you have Haiku which seems great, but has less hardware support than does BSD
[11:25] <olefowdie> Solaris is okay, but it needs more hardware support as well, and it hasn't been ported to many archs.
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> X is great for what it was designed for - a network aware windowing system. Take away the network part and it could be rewritten - but who's doing that...
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> BSD + userland or Solaris + userlan or Linux + userland are more or less the same performance wise - or should be on the same hardware. It's the big applications that slow it down - not just X, but big email clients that people now expect, big browsers, and so on.
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[11:27] <gordonDrogon> My first Unix machine had 128KB of RAM. (KiloBytes).
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> (well, not mine, but the first one I used :)
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> it was upgraded to 256KB though when they moved from core to dram.
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[11:46] <kaste> gordonDrogon: the wayland people are rewriting that, although it's the ancient protocol that is the biggest cruft and which is being removed
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[11:48] <kaste> and the networking part is worth gold, X11 forwarding, x2x and xpra are a golden combo
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> I know...
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking forward to wayland.
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[11:51] <gordonDrogon> but X "just works". I can be 1000 miles from a Linux box and run an application local to that box and display it on my desktop and that's fantastic.
[11:52] <kaste> I am too, but I think it will be years before wayland does it all and stably so
[11:52] <bacobart> RDP works great on windows too. i know its streaming the entire desktop instead of just one app, but whatever it works great :P
[11:53] <kaste> rdp has better compression afaict which is kinda nice on slower links
[11:53] <kaste> although i've seen good vncs with similar performance
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> Hm. for the radio heads: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/06/open_source_hacks_dab_to_the_masses/
[11:54] <bacobart> to me linux/bsd are great for server stuff, but if you need a decent ui (and decent apps to go with it) to work with its either windows or macos for me...
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> The command line is my UI ...
[11:57] <olefowdie> I kind of think that all OSs stink.
[11:57] <kaste> I loved macosX but in the end I spent my day in iterm2. A UI is nice but doesn't add much
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[11:57] <bacobart> well its nice to have a Gui when you browse the web;p
[11:57] <kaste> olefowdie: agree, they all have their strenghts and weaknesses
[11:57] <kaste> bacobart: links2 -G :p
[11:58] <bacobart> well, whatever floats your boat
[11:58] <bacobart> its not for me :P
[11:58] <kaste> I spent a week in front of a desktop computer without X to see how far i got, the only thing driving me up the wall was lack of flash
[11:58] <olefowdie> kaste: what about js?
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> it depends what you spend most of your time doing - for me it's typing code, documents, etc. but with my sysadmin hat on it's ... typing code, checking log files, etc...
[11:59] <bacobart> image editing, video editing, sound editing
[11:59] <kaste> depends on the page you want, basically my biggest loss was kongregate and it's debatable wether or not that is a disadvantage
[11:59] <bacobart> all things that are extremly difficult without a decent GUI
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> my GUI is a mangement fool for xterms ...
[11:59] <kaste> bacobart: I only do image editing and that rarely
[12:00] <MrVector> For desktop use, I don't see any reason not to use a gui.
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[12:03] <olefowdie> I think that term is just fine for anything that involves text I/O, or audio I/O. Some stuff is better in a GUI though. Image editing. Document prepartion, video production, web browsing, and audio production (think DAW).
[12:03] <kaste> sure and you won't find many who don't, the question is rather how it has to work to bring anything to the table. A GUI is a bloody wide field.
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[12:20] <Kane> hi
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[12:25] <overrider_> i am running arch on my rpi, and it seems that while dhcp is enabled, it does not get an ip after a reboot. I have to login by hand and issue a dhcpcd -k and then dhcpcd eth0 , then it will grab an IP. Any hints?
[12:26] <bacobart> wifi or cable?
[12:26] <overrider_> cable
[12:26] <overrider_> Just a 10M Cat5 connected to a switch
[12:26] <bacobart> then idk
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[12:33] <qmr> > i am running arch
[12:33] <qmr> I may have found the problem
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[12:54] <Chetic> ShiftPlusOne: You asked me to report if changing my shutdown procedure made a difference
[12:55] <Chetic> it definitely did. Since I started doing "sudo halt" instead of "sudo shutdown now" (which was stupid) I never get a corrupt file system
[12:57] <ShorTie> shutdown now is fine, as long as you add the -h, which is halt
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[13:00] <MrVector> Interesting, I've never heard about this. Why would shutdown now cause a corrupt file system?
[13:01] <hifi> shutdown should still always unmount the filesystems
[13:01] <hifi> even if you don't halt, I think
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[13:01] <SpeedEvil> Shutdown should call the init shutdown scripts, which if they haven't been written by a monkey, should unmount.
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[13:03] <ShorTie> without -h, shutdown now has no idea what you want to do i guess
[13:03] <SpeedEvil> No, without -h it reboots. IIRC
[13:04] <ShorTie> so it doesn't know what to do
[13:04] <ShorTie> reboot doesn't need to unmount file system i would think
[13:05] <hifi> of course it does
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> Of course it does
[13:05] <bigx> hi, i'm trying to use a shift register with the rpi (shift-in) what would be the kind of code/algorithm i need? i'll make a node.js lib then
[13:05] <bigx> already did one for ADC : https://npmjs.org/package/adc-pi-gpio
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> bigx: Read and understand the datasheet for the shift register.
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> It's not remotely complex.
[13:06] <bigx> i know, but some code as a starting point would speed up my implementation
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[13:08] <ShorTie> now is just a time argument, doesn't tell it what to do
[13:09] <SpeedEvil> bigx: This is barely more complex than 'print "hello world"'.
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[13:10] <bigx> for the ADC there was the ladyada python script that helped me to code it in node.js, so i was looing for the same kind of stuff for the shift register
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[13:12] <gordonDrogon> I've written a shift-in type code for a hardware game controller using wiringPi.
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[13:13] <gordonDrogon> if you have wiringPi you might want to look at nes.c.
[13:13] <bigx> oh thanks gordonDrogon i'll have a look
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[13:14] <gordonDrogon> and why are you bit-banging to the ADC? the Linux SPI driver works well - you should work with it - it would ultimately make life easier.
[13:15] <bigx> it's the next step, but i'm a noob when ti comes to spi, i2c and all that stuff
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> there's also an mcp3008 driver already in wiringPi too...
[13:15] <bigx> :)
[13:15] <bigx> i work with javascript, that's why i did my own lib
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> https://github.com/Soarez/node-wiring-pi
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> might make life easier...
[13:16] <bigx> i know the best solution would be to have native extension to wiring pi in node js
[13:16] <bigx> oh, wait
[13:17] <bigx> so someone already did it! great!
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[13:17] * Firehopper has to show canid the python image reading program works :)
[13:17] <Firehopper> I finished it last night. :)
[13:18] <Firehopper> he helped me write it :)
[13:18] <Firehopper> takes a image file and writes a partial arduino program to a file to drive my airdoodlestick :)
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[13:22] <bigx> gordonDrogon, there's only digital read and write, it's a start, i really should put my nose into that c and c++ stuff for nodejs
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[13:32] <gordonDrogon> bigx, ah, I've not really looked into it - but yes, it might be a start!
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[14:56] <Datalink> whee, had to compile ffmpeg to make this work, partially x.x and it's still throwing errors: http://illogicallabs.com/paste/00000005.txt
[14:57] <SirLagz> always fun compiling ffmpeg
[14:57] <Datalink> I got the dep hell fixed, then went to sleep while it ran make properly
[14:58] <SirLagz> yeah that's what I do too when I need to compile ffmpeg, just leave it for a day haha
[14:58] <Datalink> SirLagz, any idea about the error though? looks to me like an authentication problem, but I don't know the proper auth method for an Adobe RTMP server
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[14:59] <Datalink> assuming the error indicates that it's an adobe RTMP server the contractor's given me
[14:59] <SirLagz> I'll have a look at the paste lol
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[15:00] <SirLagz> Input/Output error could mean a few things
[15:00] <SirLagz> UN/PW error, connection error...
[15:00] <SirLagz> Unfortunately, I don't know proper auth method for RTMP server either, sorry !
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[15:01] <Datalink> it's not a connection error, I've tested all 4 servers (2 streams, a primary and fallback server) with the TriCaster and the other stream is running using a LiveShell
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[15:02] <Datalink> morning IT_Sean
[15:03] <IT_Sean> Ahoyhoy
[15:03] <Datalink> sadly today's a common councel meeting, meaning I won't have time to check IRC until after 9 PM local time, and I'll be worn out as a result
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[15:15] <kaste> TurboNuke
[15:15] <kaste> home free driving games free sports games free puzzle games free action games Multi player online games free misc games blog mobile games register
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[15:16] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[15:16] <IT_Sean> was... that supposed to be some attempt at... spam?
[15:17] <StathisA> hmm i'm wondering if a single RPi will be sufficient in doing background torrenting/nzb downloading and some tar
[15:17] <StathisA> tarring...
[15:17] <StathisA> os will i need to split the tasks up cause one RPi will strugle with all of them
[15:17] <StathisA> or*
[15:18] <IT_Sean> any sort of network to hd or hd to network move is going to be slow on a raspi. you know that, right?
[15:19] <IT_Sean> Torrinting on as raspi is going to be like sucking a shark through a straw.
[15:19] <linuxstb_> StathisA: Try it and see. I think only you can judge if the performance is good enough.
[15:19] * linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb
[15:19] <olefowdie> I would honestly use a USB attached SSD for any large disk I/O on the Pi, but the USB bottleneck is still going to hurt
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[15:20] <IT_Sean> Keep in mind that the network port shares the USB bus, so... using both at once is going to slow things down a bit.
[15:20] <StathisA> well no hdd will be local to the Pi...just the flash card for the system...everything will be done through mounted network shares
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[15:21] <linuxstb> If you have network shares, why not just run the clients there?
[15:21] <StathisA> i just need it to have the web interfaces up and moving stuff around
[15:21] <IT_Sean> ^that
[15:22] <pksato> some need do create a 'inverse' sd to sata adapter. to use sd slot to connect a sata hd. :)
[15:22] <IT_Sean> Thats.... not actually possible, pksato.
[15:23] <StathisA> i dont really like having torrent clients on hardware stuff that mainly does other jobs...
[15:24] * Dreamingpup is now known as KwisA
[15:24] <CeilingKitten> pksato, your only option is a cheap small SD card to hold the Brain of the system (kernel bootloader ect,.) and then a USB to SATA adapter for the operating system and files
[15:24] <StathisA> so i was thinking on RPi for the clients and moving files from network shares...
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[15:25] <Amadiro> StathisA, I use a single pi for a lot of things like that, and it works well -- but it depends on what kind of speeds you expect
[15:25] <Amadiro> my internet connection caps out at around 800KiB/s anyway, so the raspberry pi is plenty fast for torrenting et cetera.
[15:25] <StathisA> not much tbh, my internet is really slow...250-300KiB
[15:25] <Amadiro> For LAN transfers via FTP I get around 5.8-6MiB/s max, from USB HDD
[15:25] <IT_Sean> what kind of terrible connection do you have!?
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[15:27] <CeilingKitten> its prolly ADSL lite speed
[15:27] <CeilingKitten> 3mbps aprox
[15:27] <StathisA> right...i'm too far from the nearest exchange
[15:27] <olefowdie> I still think it's funny that we all find 800k to be too slow...
[15:28] <olefowdie> I mean, think about how we all felt about a decade ago when 800k first became available.
[15:28] <CeilingKitten> lol
[15:28] * IT_Sean is on a 30mbps connection, at home.
[15:28] <Amadiro> 800K isn't too bad
[15:28] <Amadiro> plenty fast for streaming 1080p media
[15:29] <CeilingKitten> i got a bit less than 800kb
[15:29] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[15:29] <CeilingKitten> i max out at 600 - 650kbps
[15:30] <CeilingKitten> I've still managed to push obscene amounts of traffic >.>
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[15:39] * SpeedEvil checks, and finds his exchange is still scheduled for upgrade sometimes in 2014.
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[15:46] * ShorTie wonders if that is like somewhere over the rainbow
[15:47] * davor is burning in hell
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[15:47] <davor> 38°C (100F) outside
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[15:49] <davor> I'm in an Airconditioned Nightmare luckily
[15:49] <Phosie> o/
[15:49] <davor> oh also my Cobbler has just arrived!
[15:49] <davor> heya phorce1
[15:50] <davor> oops. sorry phorce1. heya Phosie!
[15:50] <Phosie> Heya.
[15:50] <IT_Sean> That's slightly warm, Davor.
[15:50] <davor> indeed IT_Sean
[15:50] * Phosie does snoopy dance
[15:50] <IT_Sean> 70F and raining, here.
[15:51] * IT_Sean trips Phosie
[15:51] * Phosie slaps IT_Sean around a bit with a large trout
[15:51] <davor> is the air humid and heavy IT_Sean?
[15:51] <IT_Sean> davor: It's so thick you can see it.
[15:52] <davor> ...are you referring to the rain? :p
[15:52] <davor> or is it just foggy?
[15:52] <IT_Sean> It's humid.
[15:52] <davor> ah
[15:52] <Phosie> Connected my pi to the network, I can't SSH into it...;(
[15:52] <davor> I do not envy you in that case
[15:53] <davor> I'd rather have a dry 38°C than a wet 20°C
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[15:53] <davor> how so Phosie ? you got the right port, IP, and sshd running on the Pi?
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[15:54] <Phosie> It's probably sshd not running.
[15:54] * IT_Sean slaps Phosie with a whale shark
[15:54] <Phosie> I'll deal with it later.
[15:54] <Phosie> Ow!
[15:54] <davor> hehe
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[15:54] <davor> ...
[15:54] <davor> WATER!
[15:54] <davor> I need some.
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[15:55] <mgottschlag> here it just started to rain, and I forgot that I still had some clothes on the balcony for drying -.-
[15:56] <Phosie> Oops.
[15:56] <davor> ow
[15:56] <davor> where's my swissy
[15:56] <davor> ah there it is
[15:57] <Phosie> My chips arrived too, it felt like Christmas this morning.
[15:57] <davor> yay cobbler!
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[15:59] <davor> it felt like Christmas Saturday morning for me Phosie, when I found a slip to pick up a package in my mailbox. up to the moment I realised that the post office which is about 100 metres from my place had just closed 10 minutes ago. so I only got the package today
[15:59] <Phosie> I lost my SD card down the sofa within minutes of opening it...
[15:59] <davor> it was a national holiday on Monday...
[15:59] <davor> ha! I hate it when that happens
[16:00] <Phosie> Out of my hand, off my leg and down the side.
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[16:00] <IT_Sean> Did you dive in after it?
[16:00] <Phosie> I did, took a few minutes to get it back.
[16:01] <IT_Sean> SD cards are shockingly rugged. It's probably still good, despite falling down the sofa crack.
[16:01] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:01] <davor> hahaha
[16:01] <davor> hm, I swear, these breadboard holes are like bottomless pits
[16:01] <davor> I can shove the end of a resistor in it down as far as it goes, but it won't come out the other side
[16:02] <Phosie> Haha!
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[16:02] <Phosie> It works IT_Sean :)
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[16:06] * ShorTie wonders why Arch is smaller yet bigger then Weezy
[16:06] <Phosie> smaller yet bigger?
[16:06] <ShorTie> yup
[16:06] <Phosie> I don't understand.
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[16:07] <ShorTie> the zip file for Arch is 182k which expands out to a img of 1,900k
[16:08] <Phosie> Ah, now I follow.
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[16:08] <ShorTie> where Weezy's zip is 506k which expands out to a img of 1,894k
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[16:10] <linuxstb> You mean MB instead of KB I guess?
[16:11] <linuxstb> The image size is arbitrary - the image creators have just chosen something close to 2GB
[16:11] <linuxstb> Atch obviously contains fewer packages installed by default.
[16:12] <linuxstb> ^Arch
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[16:14] <Phosie> Arch isn't playing nicely with me
[16:14] <Phosie> Not letting me ssh, hmm
[16:17] <justsee> raspivid question - wondering about modifying raspivid code to be able to freeze the webcam stream based on external input (signal / socket connection).
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[16:18] <justsee> new to c, and mmal, and wondering if others think this is pretty straightforward before diving further into the userland code.
[16:19] <Phosie> I can't help I'm afraid.
[16:20] <linuxstb> justsee: What do you mean by "freeze" ?
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[16:20] <Phosie> pause.
[16:22] <justsee> yes, a pause.
[16:22] <justsee> So another video source is playing on another pi, which tells this pi to pause the video stream for a period of time.
[16:23] <linuxstb> So you want to stop sending data, and then resume?
[16:24] <justsee> yes that's right
[16:24] <linuxstb> You can just do that outside raspivid - kill it, then restart it.
[16:25] <justsee> It needs to be seamless. Video stream - pause for x seconds, then resume the video stream.
[16:25] <justsee> My current solution uses a desktop machine and a flash app which does this, but now I have the camera board it'd be nice to ditch the desktop + flash dependency
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[16:26] <MrVector> Afternoon guys. I'll be continuing my bare metal adventures shortly, my eyes are on the MMU and enabling that. Problem is I have very little knowledge in this area. Any recommendations for readings before trying to do this? (Other than the refrence manual)
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[16:27] <justsee> linuxstb: ah, sorry to your question, no not stop sending data. Still display a frame of the video at the point it was paused, so visual data is always onscreen.
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[16:30] <davor> huh, for a minute there I was having some strange readings
[16:30] <davor> 4.2v between TP1 and TP2
[16:31] <davor> 1.61v on what is supposed to be 3.3v
[16:31] <davor> etc
[16:31] <davor> could've been just my multimeter acting up
[16:31] <davor> cheap fudge
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[16:32] <davor> what's up Phosie
[16:32] <Phosie> Just arch being a pain
[16:32] <davor> ah
[16:32] <davor> I can't say I can relate, Arch has always been a wonderful sweetheart towards me
[16:33] <mgottschlag> MrVector: do you have an idea about how page tables work already?
[16:33] <Phosie> I can't SSH into my pi, everytime I reboot I need to reconnect to the network manually
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[16:33] <MrVector> mgottschlag, I have read a couple of articles/tutorials and such on them, so I get the general idea. If that answers your question?
[16:33] <Phosie> typing "SSH" gives me "invalid ELF header"
[16:34] <linuxstb> justsee: So are you viewing the camera locally (on the same Pi), or streaming it?
[16:34] <justsee> on the same pi
[16:34] <IT_Sean> The elf that lives in your raspi and runs SSHD is asleep, Phosie
[16:35] <Phosie> Might just reflash the card and start again, never had issues before.
[16:35] <davor> weird, Phosie
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[16:35] <davor> never had anything like that myself either
[16:36] <linuxstb> justsee: I would ignore MMAL, and just write a small openmax app to do it. Assuming you're familiar with C, I can point you to some sample code that would at least get a basic camera display working.
[16:37] <linuxstb> If you modify raspivid, you would need to worry about the encoding - which if you are just viewing locally you don't need.
[16:37] <linuxstb> Although I don't really understand your application...
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[16:38] <justsee> linuxstb: two screens. One plays a looping video of an artist's eye, which occasionally blinks. Another screen shows a full-screen webcam feed. It should freeze when the artist's eye occassionally blinks (for x seconds) and then resume.
[16:38] <mgottschlag> MrVector: I knew x86 memory management before, but when I started to work with ARM, the first thing I had problems with understanding was the partition between system memory and program memory at a fixed address (0x40000000, 0x80000000, 0xc0000000) which leads to the two pagetables
[16:39] <mgottschlag> you should probably find out more about that split first
[16:39] <mgottschlag> but there aren't any resources but the two manuals for the CPU.
[16:39] <justsee> linuxstb: the sample code pointer would be great if you think that's the simplest path. I don't know c, but I have incentive to learn so I can remove the desktop + flash app from this setup ;)
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[16:40] <MrVector> Hmm alright, I found the manuals very heavy to read. It's very difficult your first time around to filter out unnecessary features and stuff
[16:40] <justsee> I have been looking through the https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/tree/master/host_applications/linux/apps/raspicam source to see about modifying this, but if it's more trouble than it's worth I'll skip it...
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[16:44] <MrVector> Reference manuals are scary for beginners. :) A lot of new concepts, phrases and words. I found I spent 90% of my time looking up what stuff meant at one point heh...
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[16:50] <linuxstb> justsee: See this forum thread - http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=44852 - but if you're new to C it may be a bit of a struggle, as it's just code snippets, rather than something ready to compile.
[16:52] <Phosie> Shopping! Back in a few minutes.
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[17:06] <justsee> linuxstb: thanks - will have a look through it all.
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[17:08] <nmpro> good morning everyone
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[17:25] <harris> hi
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[17:50] <gyeben> I have to use the commands 'export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib' and 'sudo ldconfig' to be able to start eg.: xbmc or penguinspuzzle
[17:51] <gyeben> Does anyone know why is that? The contents of /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ seem OK for me
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[17:56] <savid> I have a USB to 9-pin rs232 serial cable. Can I hook that up to my GPIO using wires only, or does it need any kind of level conversion?
[17:56] <mgottschlag> rs232 is +-15V which probably would kill your pi
[17:56] <savid> oh
[17:57] <savid> USB is 5v, though, right?
[17:57] <ParkerR> mgottschlag, I think he means a USB to serial converter
[17:57] <mgottschlag> usb is 5V, but the converter maybe contains a charge pump which creates 15V
[17:57] <ParkerR> In which case you wouldnt see that kind of voltage
[17:57] <mgottschlag> 9-pin rs232 sounds pretty much rs232 compatible to me :p
[17:57] <mgottschlag> and rs232 is possible to use 5V
[17:58] <mgottschlag> or even 3.3V
[17:58] <mgottschlag> but even then, negative voltages cause harm
[17:58] <mgottschlag> bbl
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[18:02] <Phosie> o/
[18:03] <IT_Sean> savid: the raspi's GPIO header is for use ith 3.3v signaling ONLY. Anything more than 3.3v will cause harm to the raspi.
[18:04] <savid> Maybe it's not RS232.. not exactly sure. The package says "Cameras, modems and ISDN terminal adapters frees your RS-232 port for other uses".
[18:04] <savid> It's this thing: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Rhino-CBU-DB9-USB-to-Serial-Cable/20864876
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[18:05] <savid> I have a level shifter that I can use, assuming the usb port on my computer sends 5v levels
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[18:13] <savid> Meh, I could take apart the cable and see what circuitry is in there
[18:13] <savid> (if any)
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[18:31] <Phosie> wb IT_Sean
[18:31] <IT_Sean> tks
[18:31] <IT_Sean> I return with noms
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[18:33] <Phosie> phood :)
[18:33] <IT_Sean> aye
[18:33] <IT_Sean> phood
[18:33] <IT_Sean> phood of much nommable nommyness
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[18:34] <Phosie> I'm getting hungry now.
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[18:42] <Phosie> Silly sudo, I entered my password correctly.
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[18:46] <davor> Phosie, Defaults insults
[18:46] <davor> bolognese time!
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[18:53] <Phosie> I'm having bolognese too davor
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[18:59] <dbtid> quick question. there are articles on the 'net describing how to use the USB port on the iphone 5 to allow the pi to connect to the internet via the iphone hotspot. does anyone have info on how to do this via the wifi on the pi to the wifi on the iphone to get to the 'net?
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[18:59] <dbtid> it seems like this should just work...
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[19:00] <IT_Sean> dbtid: you are looking for the wifi hotspot function of the phone, which may be disabled or restricted depending on your carrier and plan.
[19:00] <Phosie> It sounds interesting, I wish I hd an iphone to try it.
[19:00] <dbtid> IT_Sean: well, i know it's enabled, because other devices (my mac) can use it.
[19:01] <Phosie> Reflashed my card and the elf inside is playing nicely \o/
[19:01] <dbtid> the pi's wifi interface should just be able to use the iphone hotspot, right?
[19:01] <IT_Sean> should do
[19:01] <dbtid> i mean, any other computer can...
[19:01] <IT_Sean> just connect the pi to the iPhone's SSID
[19:01] <dbtid> yeah, that's what they tried. didn't seem to work.
[19:01] <davor> hehe, I love bolognese Phosie
[19:02] <Phosie> I'm just waiting for the pasta.
[19:03] <nmpro> damn, you guys are making me hungry.. lol
[19:05] <Phosie> Sorry. :P
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[19:43] <bacobart> so i have hdmi_ignore_cec_init=1 in boot.txt
[19:43] <bacobart> but my tv still switches to the hdmi of the rpi when i reboot it
[19:43] <bacobart> any idea howto stop this?
[19:43] <bacobart> ehm config.txt not boot.txt
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[19:48] <pksato> bacobart: tv settings?
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[19:53] <bacobart> hm yeah im not sure if there's anything cec related to setup in my tv
[19:53] <bacobart> but i'll check thanks
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[19:55] <SuperJuan> hi all, having a raspberry problem. Red power light comes on but nothing else. It was working previously for 10 months. I have tried known working components with this board (I have 2 other pis to test with) so the problem must be with the pi itself
[19:55] <SuperJuan> does anyone know anything about repair option?
[19:59] <Phosie> Sure it's not the card?
[19:59] <pksato> SuperJuan: you make basic Troubleshooting? (voltage, sd, cable, etc)
[19:59] <ShorTie> have you tried a fresh sdcard in it ??
[19:59] <pksato> psu
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[20:00] <SuperJuan> I have tried 2 different 2 cards
[20:01] <pksato> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[20:01] <SuperJuan> The PSU works ok as it powers my other Pi without an issue, same for the HDMI and Ethernet cables and keyboard
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[20:02] <SuperJuan> the SD that was in the Pi when it stopped working will successfully boot on my other Pi
[20:02] <SuperJuan> I have tried both my Pi power supplies too, they both boot my other Pi, but just get that red light on the problem Pi
[20:03] <Phosie> Hmm..
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[20:05] <SuperJuan> also tried the test with USB and SD only and I don't get a flashing light
[20:06] <SuperJuan> the Pi was on pretty much 24/7 as a media device under the TV, came home one day and just a Red light on it
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[20:06] <SuperJuan> it's not like it's been moved or had any wear or tear
[20:07] <Phosie> Strange. I don't know I'm afraid.
[20:07] <ShorTie> did it have any air to breath ??
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[20:07] <SuperJuan> yes, it's not in a case, totally open, it's just on a wooden block
[20:08] <hydroxygen> did u try another wooden block ?
[20:08] * hydroxygen runs fast
[20:08] * Phosie trips hydroxygen
[20:08] <hydroxygen> eesh
[20:08] <SuperJuan> LOL hydroxygen
[20:08] * nmpro just laughs out loud
[20:09] <SuperJuan> classic lols
[20:09] <SuperJuan> hrmm, looks like it might be F3 polyfuse or bad solder sowhere
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[20:09] <ShorTie> you check sdcard slot contact for corrosion ??
[20:10] <ShorTie> don't think you will get red light if the polyfuse is popped
[20:11] <SuperJuan> ShorTie, yes it seems clean. plus the SD has been in there constantly since I bought it
[20:11] <CeilingKitten> do you have a cat and is it in a case lol >_<
[20:11] <CeilingKitten> static shock?
[20:12] <CeilingKitten> I'd say do all the tests you can, check warranty bit, and then ask for RMA nicely and pray for the safe arrival of a new one
[20:12] <hydroxygen> try power it thru the usb port?
[20:12] <SuperJuan> lol i do have cats
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[20:13] <SuperJuan> they seem non electrocuted though
[20:13] <SuperJuan> check checked, my Pi is 14 months old, so 2 months outta warranty
[20:13] <nmpro> CeilingKitten is right. Consider the cost for a replacement, virtually nothing, do your tests beg for RMA or just buy new board.. :)
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[20:13] <SuperJuan> lol my bank balance is below virtually nothing
[20:13] <CeilingKitten> try an RMA then :o
[20:13] <nmpro> lol
[20:13] <SuperJuan> i might beg for RMA
[20:14] <SuperJuan> hopefully RS will be kind
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[20:14] <nmpro> of course if any of your other pi's are under warranty you could always do the "bait and switch" lol
[20:14] <SuperJuan> i'd rather try and work out the problem and solve it with a soldering iron
[20:15] <nmpro> or you could do that.. lol
[20:15] <SuperJuan> thats why I came here, to see if anyone else had encountered the same problem
[20:15] <ShorTie> might be more like a hot air station instead of soldering iron
[20:15] * SuperJuan nods
[20:15] <CeilingKitten> ^ the pcb and the lines and all are in multiple layers >.>
[20:16] <SuperJuan> either fuse replacement or a reflow
[20:16] <SuperJuan> lol i think i'll rma beg first, less hassle
[20:16] <CeilingKitten> i'd be more likely to go the RMA route, before i destroy it and cant RMA it lol
[20:16] <SuperJuan> right on kitty
[20:17] <CeilingKitten> =) best to attempt an RMA with an unmodified object, less likely they point the finger at user error
[20:17] <nmpro> lol.. I can see it now, RS gets a charred rpi back
[20:17] <nmpro> lol
[20:17] <SuperJuan> lol nmpro
[20:17] <SuperJuan> "it was like that when i got it"
[20:17] <CeilingKitten> its a rare black pi they have those you sold it that way, china has red ones
[20:17] <nmpro> lol.. haha.. yep .. exactly..
[20:17] * CeilingKitten rambles
[20:17] <SuperJuan> "the burned thing is kind of cool but I at least expected it to be not-sticky"
[20:19] <SuperJuan> It could be jealousy. I literally only got my 2nd Pi a week ago
[20:19] <SrRaven> So, the camera, worth it or not?
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[20:19] <ShorTie> sounds like a swap-n-return to me, hehe
[20:21] <SuperJuan> the second one was off ebay
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[20:21] <SuperJuan> ah well, thanks for your advice everyone
[20:22] <SuperJuan> If they don't do an RMA then i'll try and diagnose it and let you all know how to fix it
[20:23] <ShorTie> maybe just for yucks, try rubbing a pencil ereaser on the contact to clean them
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[20:25] <IT_Sean> nmpro: the bait and switch will not work.
[20:25] <IT_Sean> The Pis are all serialized.
[20:26] <nmpro> IT_Sean: yeah, your right..
[20:26] <nmpro> I was mainly joking .. ;)
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[20:34] <SpeedEvil> insure it with accidental damage cover, then set it on fire.
[20:35] <IT_Sean> that's insurance fraud.
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[20:36] <nmpro> lol
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[20:36] <nmpro> maybe if it cost 10,000 lol.. but $35 bucks.. not worth the effort... or jail time
[20:36] <nmpro> ;)
[20:36] <hydroxygen> makes a differance if the wooden block was precut or the user had to cut it himself..
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[20:39] <nmpro> sorry hydroxygen, I don't understand your analogy.. :(
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[20:47] <pksato> Brazilian edu. robot http://www.natalnet.br/~aroca/afron/
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[20:53] * ShorTie likes the front bumper
[20:56] <Phosie> I'll be trying my motor in a min, i'm actually scared.
[20:57] <ShorTie> and the wheels of the bus go roundy round
[20:58] * Phosie closes her eyes and crosses her fingers
[20:58] <Phosie> it works1
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[21:00] * ShorTie jumps up and down with joy for Phosie
[21:01] <Phosie> Just need to get tkinter working now
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[21:04] <ecraven> if i wanted to put my pi into a car (via the cigarette lighter and an usb cable), how would i deal with the fact that it can't shut down, but just loses current if i turn the car off?
[21:05] <Dooley> small battery maybe, and when the voltage drops below a given value the RPi shuts down
[21:05] <Dooley> shuts down properly I mean
[21:05] <ShorTie> cig lighter normally doesn't lose power when key is off
[21:05] <ecraven> mine seems to
[21:05] <Phosie> As does mine.
[21:06] <ecraven> also, does anyone know of a link describing the wiring and setup for this battery thing? :)
[21:07] <ShorTie> tap into fuse box then
[21:07] <Dooley> you should look for these solar powered Pi
[21:07] <Dooley> they usually have the same issue
[21:07] <Dooley> there are a nimber of projects out there with clear instructions
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[21:07] <Phosie> How do I solve this?
[21:07] <Phosie> tkinter.TclError: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable
[21:08] <stapper> google?
[21:08] <Mr_Sheesh> Look for those battery isolators they use for RVs, if you're not into electronics, ecraven, maybe?
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[21:11] <jda2000> Phosie, startx
[21:12] <dhbiker> anyone tried wayland
[21:12] <dhbiker> ?
[21:13] <dhbiker> i saw RPI as a use flag on gentoo
[21:15] <Phosie> New issue now :P
[21:15] <Phosie> X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
[21:15] <Phosie> google time
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[21:23] <Phosie> ugh
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[21:27] <Phosie> Thanks
[21:27] <Phosie> I don't know why it's not working
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[21:43] <LordThumper> Hi, my Pi boots about 50% of the time I turn the power on. I am using a powered USB hub. What could the problem be?
[21:43] <Dooley> which PSU are you using?
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[21:44] <LordThumper> What do you mean?
[21:44] <LordThumper> The power output should be 5V 1A
[21:44] <LordThumper> From the hub
[21:45] <Dooley> you power your pi from a powered usb hub?
[21:45] <LordThumper> yes
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[21:47] <nmpro> LordThumper: question. if using a powered usb hub to power the pi, does that mean we shouldn't use the microusb at the same time?
[21:48] <LordThumper> The strange thing is the ports, like the RCA video output, are not earthed and shock on touch
[21:48] <Dooley> yeah in general i'd say thats a bad idea
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[21:48] <LordThumper> nmpro: I connect my devices to the hub
[21:48] <ShorTie> yes, use micro usb port to power rPi to not bypass protection
[21:49] <nmpro> ok. that's what I thought.. just making sure. thanks
[21:49] <ShorTie> hopefully your hub doesn't back feed power
[21:51] <LordThumper> no it doesn't
[21:51] <LordThumper> well, is it normal for the output ports to give a small electric shock?
[21:52] <ShorTie> if your getting shocked touching the rPi, sumfin is wrong
[21:52] <nmpro> lol. my first thought is NO
[21:52] <LordThumper> mmm
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[21:53] <IT_Sean> sounds like you have an earthing issue somewhere
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[21:53] <ShorTie> sure your walwart is polarized correctly ??
[21:53] <eaxxae> has anyone done a project including pi and a modem/vgetty/mgetty ?
[21:54] <LordThumper> IT_Sean: Pi is encased, maybe it's touching some screws
[21:54] <IT_Sean> If he'd reverse biased the Pi, it would have gone POOMF, ShorTie
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[21:54] <ShorTie> oh, ok
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[21:55] <LordThumper> Can unreliabe booting be caused by something else, apart from the PSU?
[21:56] <LordThumper> I'll dismantle the case and check it but I doubt I fill find anything off
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> flaky SD
[21:56] <LordThumper> will*
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[21:56] <LordThumper> SpeedEvil: right
[21:57] <nmpro> if your getting shorts then unreliable booting is probably a symptom of a bigger problem.
[21:58] <ecraven> can anyone recommend a simple 2-axis accelerometer and gyrometer? for in-car use on a pi?
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[21:59] <nmpro> ecraven: maybe you can find a part from this project someone posted earlier .. http://www.natalnet.br/~aroca/afron/
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[22:05] <SpeedEvil> there is no reason to use a 2d accel
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[22:11] <bob_binz> evening, any "arduino with raspi" gurus around?
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[22:11] <mgottschlag> no, but "avr without raspi" and "raspi without avr" :)
[22:12] <bob_binz> hmm, but not the marriage? shame
[22:12] <mgottschlag> there isn't anything special about the combination, is it?
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[22:13] <bob_binz> no - I have a gertboard and can using Gordon's avrdude to program the AVR, but I also just made a Paper-Duino thingy, which uses a programmer called alamode - I am assuming they are both mods to the avrdude tool, but I want them both to run from the same tool
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[22:14] <bob_binz> if that makes sense
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[22:20] <Phosie> Wow this chip gets hot...
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[23:05] <nmpro> Phosie: did you get it working?
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[23:05] <Phosie> nmpro: I did :D :D :D
[23:06] <nmpro> good
[23:06] <Phosie> I have a little wi-fi issue at the moment but not too bad.
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[23:37] <davor> hm, this breakout board has all 3.3v pins on the breadboard side connected to the first GPIO pin, and all GND pins to the 6th GPIO pin
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[23:38] <ShorTie> ya, so ...
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[23:39] <davor> and it has pin 9 (breadboard side) connected to pin 6 (GPIO, GND) and pin 17 (breadboard side) to 3.3v (first pin on GPIO)
[23:39] <davor> so, replaced
[23:39] <davor> I dunno. it shouldn't be a problem, right?
[23:39] <davor> I mean, I don't know the reason behind the Pi's GPIO having multiple 3.3v and GND pins in the first place
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> It should really connect all the pins.
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> It's good practice.
[23:40] <davor> yeah my thoughts exactly
[23:40] <davor> but should still be good to use, right?
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> At high frequencies, single pins have significant impedence.
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> Probably, yes.
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> It's not unsafe in any way.
[23:40] <davor> high frequencies?
[23:40] <davor> ah
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> In some cases, for really high speed comms - there may be an issue
[23:41] <davor> ah gotcha
[23:41] <davor> thanks
[23:41] <davor> I guess they did that so that the labels on the board work with both rev a and b
[23:42] <davor> or something
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[23:42] <davor> I mean it has GND and 3.3v (pins 9 and 17) replaced on the board compared to the Pi's pinout, but because it's shorted, it works
[23:42] <davor> *they're shorted to pins 1 and 6
[23:44] <ShorTie> if it's inside the board i would call it conected together, not shorted
[23:44] <davor> good point
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[23:49] <davor> yeah it's just the 3.3v, GND and 5v pins that are connected to the three "main" pins on the GPIO input side
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