#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-08-13

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[0:22] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
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[0:31] <davor> which rtorrent web ui would you guys recommend?
[0:31] <ozzzy> rtorrent?
[0:32] <pronto> webui?
[0:32] <pronto> wat
[0:33] <CeilingKitten> rutorrent
[0:33] <CeilingKitten> it looks like utorrent
[0:33] * Firehopper (~Firehoppe@pool-71-175-181-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:33] <ozzzy> never heard of either
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[0:35] * Firehopper knows what happened to the python program, that caused it to stop working..
[0:35] <Firehopper> stupid photoshop saved it in the wrong mode.. indexted instead of rgb
[0:37] * chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:37] <TheSeven> hm, looks like the stock kernels don't support initrds... :/
[0:37] * KiltedPi (KiltedPi@host-78-151-112-243.as13285.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:38] <TheSeven> that's a bit nasty
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[0:46] <davor> it's a pretty popular linux torrent client ozzzy
[0:47] <davor> yeah, a web interface for rtorrent accessible via http pronto
[0:47] <davor> thanks CeilingKitten
[0:48] <pronto> davor: dont mind me, i'm just being arrogent
[0:48] * coin3d (~coin3d@p5B167693.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: coin3d)
[0:48] <davor> ah, hehe
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[0:49] <ozzzy> I just use ktorrent
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[0:53] * AeroNotix (~xeno@abok235.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) Quit (Quit: Uploading hax.....)
[0:54] * gyeben (5401d689@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
[0:55] <davor> ewwww KDE :p
[0:56] * dj_pi (~dj@ Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:56] <[Saint]> Nothing wrong with KDE, though, I'd want something a bit lighter on the pi.
[0:58] <davor> indeed, I'm just messing around hehe
[0:58] * nmpro (~mike@ Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[0:59] <davor> I haven't tried it out in ages, had bad issues on my PC. it was very, very slow and jittery, probably due to my graphics card
[0:59] * JethroTroll (~RaycisCha@cpc5-lutn10-2-0-cust681.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit ()
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[1:00] * ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK
[1:01] <davor> I think I'm going to have to wash my nose out... I keep sneezing
[1:01] <davor> it's itchy too
[1:01] <davor> maaan, afternoon naps. nothing but trouble!
[1:04] <Firehopper> sounds like its time for a neti pot davor :)
[1:05] <davor> indeed... *shudder*
[1:05] * simonwja1 (~simonwjac@128-79-207-130.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[1:05] <Firehopper> I've never done that :)
[1:05] <[Saint]> Uuuuuugggggh.
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[1:06] <[Saint]> Next thing y'know, you'll be breaking out the ear candles and walking a rainbow healing circle.
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[1:06] * Firehopper yays, switching from 32 bit ints to 3 8 bit ints saved 20K compiled arduino code size.
[1:07] <SpeedEvil> Yow. I was wondering why quasselcore on my Pi was being slow.
[1:07] * taza (~zap@unaffiliated/taza) Quit ()
[1:07] <[Saint]> Its "ok" for one server/5 channels or less.
[1:07] <SpeedEvil> I find that the wget command line I'd done had screwed up a _leeetle_ - and it's 350 meg into swap.
[1:08] * sidus (~abracadab@37-5-73-205-dynip.superkabel.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[1:08] <[Saint]> Bwahahahahaha!
[1:08] <SpeedEvil> And has downloaded 8 gigabytes over about half a million files.
[1:08] <[Saint]> Recursive wget huh? :)
[1:09] * [Saint] admits to downloading entire directories of several hundred MB, or several GB, while only wanting a subset of said files before.
[1:09] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[1:09] <SpeedEvil> It needs to remember each file
[1:09] <[Saint]> In fact, the last time I did that was only a few days ago.
[1:09] <[Saint]> I usually use curl, but there's a few things curl can do that wget can't, and vice versa.
[1:10] <[Saint]> And despite preferring curl, I'm more familiar with wget. Though, that doesn't stop me from bothing it on occasions.
[1:10] * andatche (~andatche@mule.andatche.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[1:11] <[Saint]> (my curl preference is probably biased by being fairly close to the author)
[1:11] * andatche (~andatche@mule.andatche.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:11] <[Saint]> {who also happens to be a ROckbox developer}
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[1:12] * SpeedEvil needs to re-set-up wwwoffled
[1:12] <SpeedEvil> Or similar.
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[1:13] * [Saint] Googles the unknown word above
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> Being able to search your webcache is awesome.
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> Especially if it doesn't expire.
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> Also useful for stuff like showing you the description of an ebay purchase from a year ago
[1:14] * josePhoenix (~josephoen@planeshift/irc/josePhoenix) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[1:14] <[Saint]> Aha. That would be useless for me. I cache *nothing*.
[1:14] * josePhoenix (~josephoen@planeshift/irc/josePhoenix) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:14] <[Saint]> (and make sure my ISP doesn't either)
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[1:16] <[Saint]> Though my ISP likes to play games with me and turn caching and interleaving back on at random.
[1:17] <CeilingKitten> lol
[1:17] <CeilingKitten> Host your own DNS Server and disable theirs
[1:17] <[Saint]> I have tried this.
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> Turning interleaving off is harder.
[1:17] <rikkib> squid is handy if you do a lot of windows installs
[1:17] <CeilingKitten> then setup your own cache
[1:18] <CeilingKitten> rikkib you need a special setup to cache windows updates?
[1:18] <[Saint]> However, I don't know what is going on - but using their DNS servers damn near doubles my upload.
[1:18] <rikkib> No
[1:18] <[Saint]> It seems as though they are actively preferring queries from their own DNS, asnd making others wait.
[1:18] <rikkib> windows update uses http
[1:19] <rikkib> you can also proxy ftp
[1:19] * bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:19] <[Saint]> It makes absolutely no sense at all, but, using my own DNS server, or Googles, and my upload halves.
[1:19] <CeilingKitten> saint, i host my own dns server it caches and i get resolves in like 10ms instead of asking the isp for each domain, plus i can poison the list with for all the ads, web bugs, trackers, and junk
[1:19] <[Saint]> yeah, see above.
[1:19] <CeilingKitten> I just set it up the other day =) on my pi its great
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[1:20] <CeilingKitten> if you host your own you have no worries about them slowly your queries to others down
[1:20] <[Saint]> Slightly faster lookups aren't worth halving (or less) my upload.
[1:20] <CeilingKitten> since its on your local network
[1:20] <rikkib> some adsl routers will do the dns for you
[1:20] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: upload - as in large tcp upload to a random site?
[1:20] <CeilingKitten> It really shouldnt effect your upload ...
[1:21] <[Saint]> I know it shouldn't. :)
[1:21] <[Saint]> I have NFO what they're doing.
[1:21] <[Saint]> *NFI
[1:21] <CeilingKitten> especially if you host locally all your responses are instant, there is no communication with your ISP, it cant get any faster than that xD
[1:22] <[Saint]> There's a chance I botched something< i have a rather non-conventional connection setup - but afaik it should affect anything.
[1:22] <CeilingKitten> you mean upload on peer to peer torrents etc,.? or jsut websites?
[1:22] <[Saint]> torrents, yes.
[1:22] <CeilingKitten> most game servers, or p2p is address based
[1:23] <CeilingKitten> like in utorrent resolving domains of every peer is optional, but for trackers its not, unless you have a lot of bad trackers that are hanging and dns cant find them ? or you choose something like opendns with blocking then you'd have issues prolly
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[1:24] <CeilingKitten> =| sounds like a bizarre anomaly
[1:24] <davor> well that was awful
[1:24] <CeilingKitten> I'd sure dont make sense to me, but stick with what works saint
[1:24] <[Saint]> Whenever I complain about anything to do with my connection my ISP is all like "Well...you're the one that somehow convinced someone in upper management to allow your odd setup - so, its your fault". Lol.
[1:24] <CeilingKitten> davor whats wrong :o ?
[1:24] <[Saint]> They're kinda dicks.
[1:24] <davor> first time I've done it, and I do indeed hate nasal irrigation
[1:24] <CeilingKitten> [Saint], whats your setup?
[1:25] <davor> nasal irrigation CeilingKitten. blehh
[1:25] <[Saint]> The mammalian diving response means that this is the very last thing your body wants to let you do, davor :)
[1:25] <[Saint]> CeilingKitten: two bonded VDSL lines.
[1:25] <davor> hahaha, indeed!
[1:25] <davor> my nose was too itchy for its own good though
[1:25] <davor> it is better now
[1:25] <CeilingKitten> [Saint], as in ml-pppoe ?
[1:26] <CeilingKitten> my reseller isp offers that to bypass throttling on the main isp's filters xD
[1:26] <[Saint]> yes.
[1:26] <TheSeven> so... is there a kernel source tree for hexxeh's rpi-firmware git binaries somewhere?
[1:26] <CeilingKitten> it works perfectly fine here, you can use it to login twice with one modem and switch or with two modems boned as you say
[1:26] <TheSeven> looks like I'll have to recompile it
[1:26] <[Saint]> While they technically can support it, I am the only one they're currently implementing it for in a domestic setting.
[1:26] <TheSeven> and either I'm blind, or this is violating the GPL...
[1:27] <[Saint]> TheSeven: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[1:28] <[Saint]> (and yes, you're right, it probably should point to this from the repo at least)
[1:28] <TheSeven> yes, looks like that
[1:28] <[Saint]> but perhaps I'm blind too.
[1:28] <TheSeven> [Saint]: it also looks like what you linked doesn't contain source code either
[1:29] * Midnigh2ker (~Toker@unaffiliated/midnightoker) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[1:29] <[Saint]> I was sure it did...hmmmm.
[1:29] <[Saint]> This is, interesting.
[1:29] <TheSeven> that seems to be in https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux though
[1:29] <CeilingKitten> [Saint], do you by chance have a router setup that can handle both connections properly? is it ML-pppoe where half of each packet goes out each modem? or is one a fallback/secondary route? maybe you can prioritize DNS to one conenction
[1:30] * ruif13 (~ruif13@a89-153-58-111.cpe.netcabo.pt) Quit (Quit: ruifigueiredo.me)
[1:30] <CeilingKitten> i know ml-pppoe screws up filters because they work on some layer of the protocol, but maybe thats effecting your dns too o_o you should ask in some networking genius irc lol
[1:30] <[Saint]> I'm not sure if its half of each packet, or alternating packets.
[1:31] <CeilingKitten> i know bypassing the throttle here works by splitting the packet because then they cant spy into them and decide if its peer to peer
[1:31] <[Saint]> To be honest, I'm thinking about dropping the second line, its more trouble than its worth.
[1:31] <[Saint]> Ahhhh, nice.
[1:31] <CeilingKitten> [Saint], have you been to broadbandreports.com ?
[1:32] <CeilingKitten> they have forums and isp ratings, and sections for help lots of ml-pppoe talk on there i found through google previously
[1:32] <CeilingKitten> otherwise, like i said stick to whatever works best
[1:32] * TheSeven wonders how long cloning that git will take
[1:32] <CeilingKitten> I'd imagine you could get fiber for the cost of two vdsl connections
[1:32] <[Saint]> TheSeven: "a long time"
[1:33] <[Saint]> CeilingKitten: Ohhhhh...hahahaha...you poor, sweet, deluded kitten. :)
[1:33] <[Saint]> This is NZ. :)
[1:33] <rikkib> haha
[1:33] <[Saint]> Guess how much my two *DSL lines cost me.
[1:33] <rikkib> 120
[1:34] <CeilingKitten> 80-120 ?
[1:34] <[Saint]> (its $180NZD, and fibre-to-the-door isn't an option)
[1:34] <CeilingKitten> unless they are both lite speed
[1:34] <CeilingKitten> oi
[1:34] <rikkib> ouch
[1:34] <TheSeven> vdsl (50mbit/s down, 10mbit/s up) is like $50 a month here, including phone flatrates etc.
[1:34] <[Saint]> It was my only option for "true unlimited".
[1:35] <rikkib> $50NZD 1mbps/100kbps 100gig cap
[1:35] <[Saint]> The second line only costs me an additional $20/m
[1:35] <CeilingKitten> Kiwis, kiwis everywhere xD
[1:35] <[Saint]> rikkib: I'd eat that in a week.
[1:35] <[Saint]> also...1mbps? ick.
[1:35] * Firehopper gets 3mbit down, 768K up for 30$ a month..
[1:36] <Firehopper> its the best I can get in my area.
[1:36] <[Saint]> On a good day, I can get ~42 down, 11 up.
[1:36] <rikkib> Small town NZ speed
[1:36] <Firehopper> fios = not avail.
[1:36] <CeilingKitten> I pay $40 CAD for 6MBit dn / 1 MBit up - unlimited
[1:36] * [Saint] throws things
[1:36] <rikkib> fixed ip and rdns
[1:36] <[Saint]> You damn Euros/USians and your cheap, fast, unlimited infonets.
[1:36] <[Saint]> BAH!
[1:37] <CeilingKitten> seems all my fav irc channels has people from NZD lately
[1:37] <[Saint]> Y'know why, right?
[1:37] <[Saint]> ...'cos we're awesome.
[1:37] <[Saint]> Duh...
[1:37] <[Saint]> :P
[1:37] <CeilingKitten> yup ^_^
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[1:37] <TheSeven> you mean they're finally getting internet connections *at all*?
[1:38] <[Saint]> I often laugh at how heavily represented NZ is online when there's only 4M of us.
[1:38] <CeilingKitten> =)
[1:38] <[Saint]> (well, 4.3M iirc)
[1:38] * TheSeven wonders how much of an influence mega.co.nz will have on NZ's internet infrastructure development
[1:38] <rikkib> NZ Uni were in on the early net in NZ in fact that used to be the only access
[1:39] <[Saint]> TheSeven: we had to change the infrastructure after India stopped telegram service. :P
[1:39] <[Saint]> TheSeven: Approximately none.
[1:39] <[Saint]> So far.
[1:39] * satellit (~satellit@c-24-19-192-50.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:39] <rikkib> Then Waikato uni made it accessabl;e to all
[1:39] <[Saint]> NZ Government got a way better deal from the NSA
[1:40] * Benguin (~Benjamin@adsl-83-100-188-68.karoo.KCOM.COM) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:41] <Benguin> Uh oh.
[1:41] * redarrow (~redarrow@gateway/tor-sasl/redarrow) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[1:41] <CeilingKitten> [Saint], so you mean the lobbyists and the spies won, and MEGA will have to go offshore?
[1:41] * olefowdie (~chatzilla@99-119-112-115.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla [SeaMonkey 2.12.1/20120910120517])
[1:41] <[Saint]> 'ol whatshisface Mega dude offered to pay half of a transatlantic cable, if the government paid the rest, but I read yesterday we got a better deal from the NSA if we blatantly allow them to split the line and snoop.
[1:41] <Benguin> I rebooted my pi with "reboot" via ssh, and it wouldn't get past the stage with the red light..
[1:41] <CeilingKitten> Kim Dotcom (Mr. Mega)
[1:41] <[Saint]> That's the one.
[1:41] <Benguin> And I tried plugging my hdmi cable in, and there's nothing coming from the pi :C
[1:41] <Benguin> I'm running arch ARM, any tips?
[1:42] <CeilingKitten> AHammar, so NZ welcome to Prism =)
[1:42] <CeilingKitten> oops damn autocomplete
[1:42] <Benguin> was rebooting right after instaling updates
[1:42] <[Saint]> CeilingKitten: NZ has been a member of "The Five Eyes" for *years*. :)
[1:42] <CeilingKitten> NZ, Welcome to Prism, =X enjoy your privacy well it lasts
[1:42] <[Saint]> It never existed.
[1:42] <CeilingKitten> five eyes ? thats a new one to me?
[1:43] <[Saint]> US, CAN, UK, AU, NZ
[1:43] <rikkib> 4 mill people... They know every one
[1:43] <[Saint]> "the five massive spy platforms for filtering teh infonets"
[1:43] <rikkib> Waihopia
[1:43] <[Saint]> NZ is in a very curious place, geographically, makes us an awesome location for a spy base.
[1:44] <[Saint]> Google "Five Eyes", all those buggers are in cahoots.
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[1:45] <CeilingKitten> o-o
[1:45] <[Saint]> ALso, yes, I was trying to think of the name of it, but rikkib got it - so yay.
[1:45] * renderful (~renderful@ip174-75-107-2.br.br.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:45] * TheSeven recompiles the kernel
[1:45] <[Saint]> Waihopia is the spy base that no one even tries to hide.
[1:45] <CeilingKitten> >_>
[1:46] <[Saint]> ...just sitting out there, right in the open. Spying on things.
[1:46] <Benguin> Do you think something went wrong with the firmware upgrade?
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[1:46] <[Saint]> No one denies it. No one tries to hide it.
[1:46] <CeilingKitten> how come all the NZ people are up on all the latest conspiracies?
[1:46] <[Saint]> Benguin: it sounds as though your boot partition is trashed.
[1:46] <rikkib> Kim dot com
[1:46] <[Saint]> CeilingKitten: because for us, its not new.
[1:46] <TheSeven> Benguin: any blinking leds shortly after powering on?
[1:47] <[Saint]> This is years and years and years old.
[1:47] <Benguin> It went to the orange light then immediately to red
[1:47] <rikkib> He is almost a hero here
[1:47] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[1:47] <Benguin> and it stays on red
[1:47] <rikkib> Certainly in the media all the time... and in person
[1:47] <[Saint]> Benguin: your boot partion is trashed (at least).
[1:47] <Benguin> Oh boy
[1:47] <TheSeven> [Saint]: I wouldn't say that
[1:47] <CeilingKitten> [Saint], so is anyone doing anything about it? or we all screwed?
[1:47] <TheSeven> *one* blink seems like the kernel boots successfully
[1:48] <[Saint]> TheSeven: that indicates it can find nothing on the boot partition that can...well...boot.
[1:48] <[Saint]> I'd call that trashed.
[1:48] <TheSeven> [Saint]: doesn't it blink once during a normal, successful boot with somewhat recent boot files?
[1:48] <TheSeven> it does for me at least
[1:48] <Benguin> Is it safe to pull the cord now? last time I powered off like that it ruined my SD card..
[1:48] <TheSeven> if it can't find something, it will typically blink multiple times
[1:48] <rikkib> Govt has a one vote majority for legislation... Only mass protest will change that in the polls next year
[1:49] <[Saint]> If it isn't booting, the sdcard is almost certainly already "ruined".
[1:49] <TheSeven> Benguin: there's no other option
[1:49] <Benguin> True
[1:49] <TheSeven> Benguin: I assume you don't have a serial interface?
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[1:49] <Benguin> [Saint]: by ruined, I mean completely trashed
[1:49] <Benguin> TheSeven: Not even sure what that means, to be honest, so, probably not
[1:49] <[Saint]> I assume you have a card rerader available.
[1:50] <[Saint]> Mount it on another host and try chkdsk or fsck
[1:50] <Benguin> Will do, thanks
[1:50] <TheSeven> Benguin: the board produces debug output on the serial port, but accessing that requires special hardware
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[1:50] <[Saint]> TheSeven: "The red power LED should never blink, because it is hard-wired to the 3.3V power supply rail. If it is blinking, as one user has reported[1] it means the 5V power supply is dropping out. Use a different power supply."
[1:50] <TheSeven> [Saint]: I mean the green one
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[1:50] <[Saint]> Ahhhh, sorry.
[1:51] <Benguin> the red light didn't blink, the orange light went on then turned off as the red one came on and then stayed on
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[1:51] <TheSeven> orange == red + green in this case
[1:51] <TheSeven> red is always on, green blinked once, from what I understood
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[1:52] <Benguin> oh.. Anyway, I'll go boot up the laptop so I can check the SD card, back later! Thanks
[1:52] <[Saint]> What's the orange lisht again? I'm miles from a pi.
[1:52] <[Saint]> That's netwrok, is it not?
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[1:52] <[Saint]> The link light?
[1:52] <TheSeven> network is yellow
[1:52] <[Saint]> Aha.
[1:53] <TheSeven> orange is probably a misinterpreted red + green led next to each other
[1:53] <TheSeven> (or even in one LED package on newer boards? who knows...)
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[1:53] <Benguin> my pi case says "ok" for the light that blinked orange
[1:53] <Benguin> it's the bottom light, if you consider the card slot to be at the bottom
[1:54] <Benguin> and the red light is directly above it
[1:54] <[Saint]> 100mbit link active
[1:54] <[Saint]> (is what that LED is)
[1:54] <TheSeven> that "ok" light is supposed to be green
[1:54] <TheSeven> nah, 100mbit would be top, not bottom
[1:54] <Benguin> my pi is upside down, then
[1:54] <[Saint]> TheSeven: not if its the one he says it is.
[1:54] <TheSeven> well, on my pi it is :)
[1:54] <[Saint]> Ooooh, whoops. card at the bottom.
[1:55] <[Saint]> derp.
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[1:55] <[Saint]> indeed. "act" is supposed to be green.
[1:55] <TheSeven> "act"? it's labeled "ok" on mine
[1:55] <TheSeven> OK PWR FDX LNK 10M
[1:55] <Benguin> from top to bottom, my case says "10M, LNK, FOX, PWR, OK"
[1:55] <[Saint]> a case printing "OK" for the activity light is a bit weird.
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[1:56] <TheSeven> [Saint]: that's what's labaled on my *board*!
[1:56] <Benguin> or maybe FDX not fox
[1:56] <[Saint]> top to bottom, mine is ACT, PWR, FDX, LNK, 100
[1:56] <[Saint]> TheSeven: ancient pi?
[1:56] <TheSeven> 256MB networked edition from mid 2012
[1:57] <Benguin> and yeah it says act on the board
[1:57] <[Saint]> Mine's a 2011.12 512 Model B
[1:57] <Benguin> 256B
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[1:58] <[Saint]> "OK" is bloody weird to print there.
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[1:58] <[Saint]> I assume it still performs the I/O indicator function?
[1:58] <[Saint]> TheSeven: ^
[1:59] <TheSeven> I think so
[1:59] <TheSeven> but it might have had a different function with early firmwares
[1:59] <davor> hm, apache can't bind to 443 because sshd is listening to it...
[1:59] <davor> darn it, I knew it was a bad idea heh
[2:00] <[Saint]> TheSeven: but...I have an older board.
[2:00] <[Saint]> So that doesn't seem to make much sense.
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[2:02] <[Saint]> if you imagine the RCA and 3.5MM out are both black, this is exactly as my pi appears (I found one neglected in a drawer) http://elinux.org/images/9/96/RpiFront.jpg
[2:02] <[Saint]> and no, I have no idea why my RCA out is black.
[2:03] <Benguin> well, the card is still mountable and the content is intact
[2:03] <davor> it works! http://davor.mooo.com/~davor/ohyes.jpg
[2:03] <davor> I think
[2:03] <Benguin> which means I haven't trashed the card \o/
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[2:03] <[Saint]> Benguin: that's not necessarily a good thing. :)
[2:03] <davor> does it?
[2:03] <[Saint]> That's the easiest thing to fix.
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[2:04] <[Saint]> My guess is that the data may be "intact", but incomplete.
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[2:05] <[Saint]> Which is what you'd want.
[2:05] <[Saint]> ANything else would seem to point to the power supply or the board.
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[2:05] <Benguin> no I menat
[2:05] <Benguin> the last time I trashed my card it wouldn't even let me read or write to it
[2:06] <Benguin> still haven't fixed that one, because I wasn't sure how and never got around to it.. MAybe later xD
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[2:06] <[Saint]> Oooooh, well, reading and wrinting != data intact
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[2:07] <[Saint]> Benguin: check it with <insert_disk_check_for_you_OS_here>; attempt recovery, attempt to pull off important user data, reflash if it fails. All you can do, really.
[2:07] <[Saint]> (for the other trashed card)
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[2:08] <[Saint]> Next time, make a dd image of the card when you have it setup to your liking.
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[2:08] <[Saint]> It saves a lot of hasle when things like this happen.
[2:08] <Benguin> Yeah, not sure why I didn't
[2:09] <Benguin> probably because my laptop is the only computer with an sd card slot, and I hate using my laptop. Procrastination ensues >^>
[2:09] <Benguin> why didn't I get a cheap sd card reader anyway
[2:10] <Benguin> the files on the sd that I'd want to keep seem to be intact \o/
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[2:10] <Benguin> I don't mind reinstalling and setting everything back up, since it was a simple setup to begin with
[2:10] <[Saint]> also, it pays not to expand the filesystem if you can avoid it. At least, not until after you have dd'ed an image of your preferred setup.
[2:10] <[Saint]> Otherwise you end up backing up a bunch of useless free space.
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[2:11] <Benguin> Makes sense
[2:12] <dagerik> how do i get omxplayer running on arch
[2:12] <Benguin> am quickly backing up some files , then I'm going to maybe see what's wrong with it. Any ideas where to start? you said it find the boot partition?
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[2:14] <[Saint]> If you want to do something quick and dirty, and see if it "Just Works (TM), replace the files in the boot partition with fresh ones from here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[2:14] <[Saint]> See how it behaves then.
[2:15] <Benguin> Heh, will try :3
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[2:16] <rikkib> Drum practice time...
[2:18] <[Saint]> Lucky boy. I've played on my kit approximately three times since I moved here.
[2:18] <[Saint]> (about 4 months ago)
[2:19] <[Saint]> The neighbors complain *every* time - and then Ms [Saint]'s sister took up the spare room with all her crap when she moved.
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[2:33] <Benguin> hmm
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[2:34] <Benguin> I did as you said and now the OK light and the power light are on
[2:34] <Benguin> only those two, though
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[2:35] <Benguin> Though,
[2:35] <Benguin> I think before I had sometihng special in cmdline.txt
[2:35] <Benguin> Should probably put that back in, not that I remember what it was for..
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[2:37] <Benguin> Butt
[2:37] <TheSeven> hm... Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00007f00
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[2:37] <Benguin> I'm guessing it's not a good idea to pull the power cord while ACT is on
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[2:39] <Benguin> hm wiki says the green light shouldn't stay on
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[2:41] <Benguin> oh the light randomly just turned off
[2:41] <TheSeven> then it was probably some stuff starting up in the background, causing SD access?
[2:41] <Benguin> and now it's just the red light again
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[2:42] <Benguin> wiki says the first thing the bootcode does is turn off the green light
[2:42] <Benguin> doesn't say anything about turning it off 20 seconds later
[2:42] <TheSeven> well, and later code probably uses it as an SD access indicator
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[2:44] * TheSeven still wonders why his absolutely trivial init script (just spawning a shell) in his initrd fails
[2:45] <TheSeven> or rather initramfs
[2:45] <houqp> hi everyone
[2:45] <houqp> a quick question
[2:45] <TheSeven> adding /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 now makes init start and immediately crash with a "command not found" return code
[2:45] <houqp> so I and my friend is trying to power the pi with AA batteries
[2:46] <houqp> and we bought this: http://www.amazon.com/3-5-30V-4-0-30V-Booster-Converter-Regulator/dp/B008FLE7PA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1375167884&sr=8-2&keywords=dc+voltage+boost
[2:46] <TheSeven> /init is just #!/bin/bash\n/bin/bash\n\n
[2:46] <houqp> which did give us 5v output
[2:46] <TheSeven> and /bin/bash is a symlink to busybox, /bin/busybox is present... what's going on here?
[2:46] <houqp> and pi boots successfully
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[2:46] <houqp> but none of the usb devices works
[2:46] <TheSeven> houqp: how many AA batteries?
[2:47] <Benguin> Could it be that the permissions on the boot files are messed up on my card?
[2:47] <TheSeven> USB devices not working sounds like the voltage is somewhere between about 3.5 and 4.5V
[2:47] * TheSeven facepalms... and checks chmod +x on his init script and busybox :)
[2:47] <houqp> TheSeven: so it should work as long as voltage is stable on 5v?
[2:47] <TheSeven> houqp: in theory yes
[2:48] <TheSeven> houqp: what's the input voltage / number of batteries?
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[2:48] <TheSeven> the specs of that module look good... you should probably configure it to have 5.5V output voltage without the pi attached
[2:49] <sinnet3000> houqp, depending on the level of charge of your AA batteries they might not suppply +700mA
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[2:49] <houqp> TheSeven: my friend did the experiment, and he said he got 5v output
[2:49] <houqp> but probably before attach to pi
[2:49] <sinnet3000> houqp: Open voltage
[2:49] <sinnet3000> houqp, without load
[2:50] <TheSeven> <TheSeven> houqp: what's the input voltage / number of batteries?
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[2:50] <houqp> TheSeven: 4 AA
[2:50] <TheSeven> hm... rechargeable or not?
[2:51] <houqp> TheSeven: probably rechargeable, does that matter?
[2:51] <sinnet3000> houqp, rechargable batteries AA are 1.2V alkalines are 1.5V
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[2:51] <houqp> will I destroy the pi if voltage is higher than 5?
[2:51] <TheSeven> ...when they're full. you should always dimension things for a 0.9V to 1.6V idle voltage range (per cell)
[2:51] <houqp> but we checked the voltage before pluging into the pi, it's 5v
[2:52] <sinnet3000> TheSeven, indeed
[2:52] <TheSeven> houqp: it should tolerate ~5.5V, there will also be drops across the cables etc.
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[2:52] <TheSeven> so 5.5V is kind of a measure to compensate for those drops
[2:52] <TheSeven> expect the pi to draw 300-400mA while idle
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[2:53] <ShorTie> you gonna suck those batteries up
[2:53] <TheSeven> the pi itself tolerates voltages down to about 4V, or 3.1V with a little HW mod
[2:53] <houqp> sinnet3000: TheSeven thanks for your help :)
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[2:54] <TheSeven> houqp: re-check voltages when the pi has booted up, my guess is that your converter's input voltage drops below 4V, and the output voltage below 4.5V
[2:55] <dagerik> how do i get omxplayer running on arch?
[2:55] <houqp> ok, we will check it tonight :)
[2:55] <dagerik> There's an Arch AUR package 'omxplayer-bin'. it doesnt work
[2:56] <dagerik> *omxplayer-git
[2:56] <Benguin> I found a guy with a similar problem to mine, and he fixed it by reverting to the boot files from june 6th
[2:56] <ShorTie> not sure that is a thing really with, output set voltage higher than the input voltage must be guaranteed
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[2:57] * TheSeven would run his pi directly off a li-ion cell for such a project, and just use a little boost converter for USB devices
[2:57] <TheSeven> that solves a whole bunch of problems at once
[2:57] <ShorTie> that is a booster
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[3:01] <houqp> TheSeven: noob question, why using li-ion cell solve a bunch of problems?
[3:02] <houqp> is it suggested to power pi with li-ion cell?
[3:03] <chithead> you can power the pi with normal usb battery packs if you so desire. but model A would be a good idea as it needs only half the power
[3:04] * LaxWasHere is now known as LaxWasThere
[3:06] <TheSeven> houqp: it solves these problems: 1. it decouples USB power supply from rpi power supply (avoids crashes while plugging in USB devices), 2. generally avoids power hungry USB devices from bringing down the pi, 3. has higher efficiency (less total power usage), 4. li-ion cells typically have a very low inner resistance, avoiding voltage drop problems such as the one you're observing
[3:06] <TheSeven> directly using a li-ion cell requires a hardware modification (or add-on board) to the pi though, because the on-board 3V voltage regulator has too much dropout voltage
[3:09] <houqp> wow, where can I read about all these things?
[3:10] <houqp> and any recommendation for where to buy li-ion cells?
[3:10] <TheSeven> this is mostly general electronics stuff, along with some basic information from the rpi's schematics
[3:11] <Firehopper> http://t.co/ag26QOtpez < adorable link for the day
[3:11] <TheSeven> houqp: if you don't want to mess with the hardware modification and the risks involved with "raw" li-ion cells (they can do really nasty things if shorted or charged wrongly), go for a usb "powerbank" module
[3:12] <TheSeven> do you need replacable/swappable batteries, or is rechargeable sufficient?
[3:13] <houqp> yeah, rechargeable sufficient
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[3:13] <houqp> so we are doing simple project like controlling rc car with pi
[3:15] <houqp> we tried usb bettery packs before
[3:15] <houqp> it's too heavy and for unknow reason drops off our wifi connection
[3:16] <houqp> and the car already comes with AA batteries for motors
[3:16] <houqp> so we want to power the whole thing use only AA
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[3:18] <TheSeven> expect the motors to drop the battery voltage sufficiently low to crash the pi
[3:19] <houqp> oops
[3:19] <TheSeven> powering the pi from the same source doesn't seem like a good idea
[3:19] <TheSeven> how much battery runtime for the pi do you need?
[3:19] <houqp> really low
[3:19] <houqp> we don't care about runtime ;p
[3:19] <TheSeven> so less than an hour?
[3:20] <houqp> at least for now
[3:20] <houqp> yep
[3:20] <TheSeven> and what's the weight budget?
[3:20] <houqp> i am not sure about this though
[3:20] <Firehopper> also setup a battery failsafe
[3:21] <houqp> battery failsafe?
[3:21] <houqp> let me google it...
[3:21] <Firehopper> that way if the PI looses power, the car stops
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[3:22] <houqp> Firehopper: how can I do it? how do I know the pi looses power?
[3:22] <Benguin> heeehahah
[3:22] <Benguin> I like rpi's "new out of box software"
[3:22] <houqp> ;p
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[3:23] <TheSeven> some kind of watchdog seems best: stop the car if the driver electronics haven't received any new commands for like a second
[3:23] <TheSeven> that covers software, hardware and power failure
[3:23] <TheSeven> something like this might work as a power source, although I have no experience with that particular model: http://dx.com/p/universal-portable-2600mah-power-bank-for-ipad-iphone-ipod-mp3-mp4-more-black-150528
[3:23] <TheSeven> shouldn't be terribly heavy either
[3:24] <houqp> TheSeven: so watchdog is a hardware component?
[3:25] <houqp> so will powerbank introduce a lot of interference?
[3:26] <houqp> that's the first thing we try, the wifi disconnected immediately after we power the motor
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[3:26] <houqp> everything works fine if i power the pi from my laptop
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[3:28] <TheSeven> I guess that interference is coming from either the motor, or a shared power supply
[3:29] <dagerik> how do i get omxplayer running on arch?
[3:29] <TheSeven> a power bank would either cause that interference all the time or never
[3:29] <houqp> hrm... that's strange
[3:29] <TheSeven> well, unless your circuitry is badly screwed up at least
[3:29] <houqp> if it works for my laptop, then it's not from the motor
[3:30] <TheSeven> was the wifi adapter equally close to the motor both times?
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[3:30] <TheSeven> was the laptop grounded? (unlike the powerbank)
[3:30] <houqp> oh!
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[3:30] <TheSeven> was the power supply shared with the motor in any way?
[3:30] <houqp> probably because the laptop is grounded?
[3:30] <houqp> power supply is not shared
[3:31] <TheSeven> grounding it could have an impact, but that's just one of many possibilities
[3:31] <houqp> btw, usually how do people find out the source of interferenc?
[3:32] <houqp> *interference
[3:32] <TheSeven> depends on your equipment... without really expensive gear it's mostly trial and error
[3:32] <TheSeven> it's also fairly unlikely for random interference to disconnect wifi
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[3:33] <TheSeven> it seems more likely that a power glitch (for whatever reason) caused the wifi adapter to restart
[3:33] <TheSeven> how do you connect the pi to the motor driver?
[3:34] <houqp> wait a second :)
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[3:35] <TheSeven> a quick test to rule out interference problems would be to put an USB extension cord between the pi and the wifi adapter, and locate the adapter as far as possible away from the rest of the circuitry. if it still fails, then whatever you're seeing is very unlikely to be interference
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[3:37] <houqp> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-lesson-9-controlling-a-dc-motor?view=all
[3:37] <houqp> I did the same thing in the tutorial
[3:38] <houqp> TheSeven: i see :)
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[3:40] <TheSeven> what's your PWM frequency?
[3:41] <TheSeven> where is the ground connection point between the motor controller circuitry and the pi?
[3:41] <TheSeven> I assume it goes through the expansion header?
[3:41] <houqp> what's expansion header?
[3:42] <TheSeven> well that pin header on the pi
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[3:42] <houqp> oh
[3:42] <houqp> yes
[3:42] <houqp> is it wrong?
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[3:42] <TheSeven> but the battery pack that's driving the motor has it's negative side connected to the motor controller circuitry, and not to the USB side of the pi somehow? (just ruling that out)
[3:43] <houqp> yes
[3:43] <TheSeven> er, power supply side of the pi, i.e. USB power bank, i mean
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[3:43] <TheSeven> ok... so we shouldn't have any ground bounce problems either
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[3:45] <houqp> btw, any recommendation for me to how to pick up these basic electronic stuffs?
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[3:45] <houqp> reading books?
[3:45] <houqp> i came from a pure software background :(
[3:46] <TheSeven> houqp: hm, I did it all the "learning by doing" way
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[3:46] <houqp> hehe, cool
[3:47] <TheSeven> so my plan would be:
[3:47] <TheSeven> 1. check if relocating the wifi receiver using a USB extension cord changes the behavior
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[3:47] <houqp> k
[3:47] <TheSeven> 2. check if driving the motor at very low duty cycles immediately disconnects wifi
[3:48] <houqp> what if 2 is the case?
[3:48] <TheSeven> 3. check if driving the motor to 100% directly, without any steps in between, disconnects it as well
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[3:48] <houqp> how am i going to deal with 2 and 3?
[3:48] <TheSeven> 4. check if jumping from 100% back to 0% disconnects it as well
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[3:49] <TheSeven> 2 suggests problems with interference caused by the PWM, either by the motor's coils or by power supply bouncing
[3:49] <TheSeven> 3 and 4 avoid PWM trouble, and thus shouldn't disconnect it if the PWM is causing it
[3:50] <TheSeven> 3 however causes a massive current surge while the motor speeds up, significantly dropping the battery voltage
[3:50] <TheSeven> 4 has no impact on that either, but creates a current spike through an internal diode in the motor driver chip
[3:51] <TheSeven> the combination of results from those 4 tests should give us a better idea of what's going on here
[3:51] <houqp> wow
[3:51] <houqp> that's really helpful
[3:51] <houqp> TheSeven: thanks so much!
[3:52] <houqp> will test it and report back
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[3:59] <propheticsquiddy> this is one of the best rooms i've ever been in...no sociopaths or anything
[4:02] <nerdboy> sure about that?
[4:02] <propheticsquiddy> well, hope springs eternal i guess
[4:02] <houqp> ;p
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[4:06] <nerdboy> did i say that out loud?
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[4:26] <mrlespaulman> Anybody in here use XBMC on the pi?
[4:26] <mrlespaulman> I'm having some issues when scanning music files to the library
[4:27] <mrlespaulman> It is painfully slow.
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[4:33] <TheSeven> mrlespaulman: in some cases libeatmydata might help
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[4:46] <mrlespaulman> Thanks TheSeven, I'll check that out.
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[4:56] <[Saint]> TheSeven: isn't that only useful for non-safe writes?
[4:56] <[Saint]> I mean, its not going to be terribly useful for speeding up reads, is it?
[4:56] <[Saint]> With the side effect of no longer making anything crash safe.
[4:57] <[Saint]> (eek, that's worded horribly)
[4:57] <[Saint]> *With the side effect of nothing being crash safe anymore
[4:58] <mrlespaulman> I'm guessing the best thing would be to use the mySQL databases
[4:59] <[Saint]> I admit I don't have a complete understanding of what libeatmydata is doing, but iiuc it is silently disabling fsync (et al).
[5:01] <[Saint]> The "eatmydata" part is quite appropriate.
[5:01] <[Saint]> It best not be used anywhere where you really care about the data.
[5:01] <[Saint]> Oh, haha. Their site even states this: "DO NOT use libeatmydata on software where you care about what it stores. It's called libEAT-MY-DATA for a reason." :)
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[5:04] <mrlespaulman> Yeah I saw that. It scared me.
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[5:08] <nerdboy> why not libgivemeaheadache ?
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[5:16] <Lerg> Hi all
[5:17] <Lerg> Anybody using Arch Linux ARM? They have linux 3.11 for armv5 already built. Is it suitable for RPi?
[5:18] <leming> that 3.11 is testing, and only for i.mx233.. rpi has 3.10 though if you want it
[5:19] <Lerg> I need a driver for one of the easycaps - it's only in 3.11
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[5:20] <leming> you'll need to wait until the foundation brings their testing kernel up to 3.11, sometime after 3.11 is actually finalized
[5:21] <Lerg> Do you think it might be a good idea just to copy driver to 3.whatever and recompile it?
[5:21] <Lerg> from 3.11
[5:22] <leming> you will want to check its commit history and perform any necessary backporting in any other systems it's touched
[5:22] <leming> 3.10 would be the easiest to bring it back to
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[5:26] <Lerg> Does raspberian wheezy has 3.10 now?
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[5:29] <leming> no idea
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[5:31] <Lerg> Ok, thanks leming. Will try arch with 3.10
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[7:06] <myself> so I just ran across this and think it might fit the pi... http://dx.com/p/doseen-disk-nifty-minidrive-sd-card-adapter-light-blue-231851
[7:06] <myself> curious if anyone's tried it
[7:06] <myself> it's definitely shorter, but is it shorter enough?
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[7:07] <propheticsquiddy> hmm...cellar door...forget which poet said 'cellar door' was like the most perfect line ever
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[7:19] <Lerg> myself: not to go out of the board? Not enough.
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[7:30] <propheticsquiddy> hmm, wasn't a poet, was jrr tolkein apparently
[7:30] <[Saint]> hifi: ping?
[7:30] <hifi> pong
[7:32] <[Saint]> May I suggest changing "xzcat /path/to/raspbian-ua-netinst-latest.img.xz > /dev/sdX" to "xzcat /path/to/raspbian-ua-netinst-latest.img.xz | auso dd bs=1M /dev/sdX"?
[7:32] <hifi> auso?
[7:32] <[Saint]> errrr...s/auso/sudo/
[7:33] <[Saint]> sorry, apparently I half fell off the keyboard. :)
[7:33] <hifi> I didn't see any performance difference in using cat and dd with 1M block size
[7:34] <hifi> but yes, I could change it to use sudo
[7:34] <[Saint]> right, but, this actually...works. :)
[7:34] <[Saint]> "sudo xzcat f17arm-latest-arm-rpi-xfce-mmcblk0.img.xz > /dev/sdb" falls over with permission denied errors.
[7:34] <[Saint]> blargh, wrong image, but, yeah.
[7:35] <hifi> right, well I'm not that ubuntunish so I didn't really think about adding sudo
[7:36] <[Saint]> sorry, I c/p'd incorrectly: "xzcat /path/to/raspbian-ua-netinst-latest.img.xz > /dev/sdX" falls over. even "sudo xzcat /path/to/raspbian-ua-netinst-latest.img.xz > /dev/sdX" falls over.
[7:36] <[Saint]> However, "xzcat /path/to/raspbian-ua-netinst-latest.img.xz | auso dd bs=1M /dev/sdX" works fine, and should work elsewhere as well.
[7:37] <[Saint]> man, same typo. uuugh.
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[7:40] <[Saint]> Argh! I am *really* bad at this - I guess sleeping may have been a good idea.
[7:40] <[Saint]> IMO, it should be: "xzcat /path/to/raspbian-ua-netinst-latest.img.xz | sudo dd bs=1M of=/dev/sdX"
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[7:41] <hifi> you're not advanced user enough if you can't write the image to your card ;)
[7:41] <[Saint]> this should be safe on all *nix-esque systems
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[7:42] <[Saint]> This is true, but, some users won't understand why the instructions given don't work on their system.
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[7:42] <hifi> which is why they probably are not the target audience
[7:43] <[Saint]> Target audience or not, does it not make sense to use an instruction that will work across the board instead of saying (paraphrased) "If they can't work it out, screw them"? :P
[7:43] <hifi> sudo doesn't work on any of my systems
[7:44] <hifi> it's not the silver bullet in the instructions
[7:45] <hifi> not really trying to be a dick but I really do expect the target audience to know how to write the image
[7:46] <funkster> how do you guys feel about overclocking and the stability?
[7:46] <[Saint]> I don't think that's a reason to give an instruction that won't work for a large majority of users.
[7:47] <hifi> the large majority of users you talk about will try to write to /dev/sdX anyway
[7:47] <[Saint]> "if they can't figure it out, screw them" is a *terrible* attitude.
[7:47] <[Saint]> Sorry.
[7:47] <hifi> if I would change that to /dev/sda the same large majority if users would fry their hard drive
[7:48] <hifi> s/hard drive/filesystem/
[7:48] <hifi> and of*
[7:48] <[Saint]> Well...no they wouldn't, because they wouldn;t have permission to write to it. :)
[7:48] <hifi> not the best day of my typing either
[7:48] <hifi> and everyone are saved because that's double fail for them now :p
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[7:48] <[Saint]> assuming the c/p'ed the instruction directly, it would be safe for most users.
[7:49] <[Saint]> even if you wrote /dev/sda
[7:49] <hifi> why would that be?
[7:49] <hifi> if I changed it to use sudo and /dev/sda that would cause large scale destruction
[7:49] <[Saint]> Because xzcat doesn't have permission to write to a volume like this, sudo or nay.
[7:50] <[Saint]> In Ubuntu, that is.
[7:50] <hifi> and for the truly illiterate there's the .zip file
[7:50] <[Saint]> which is why I suggested following through with dd, which can actually write.
[7:51] <[Saint]> There's really no harm in making the instruction slightly saner.
[7:51] <hifi> sudo will not make it any saner
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[7:51] <[Saint]> disclude sudo, and add a note to include it (and where to include it) if permission is required.
[7:52] <hifi> you're really saying on ubuntu they have added some extra layer of unnecessary security that only dd can write to block devices even AS root?
[7:52] <[Saint]> "Please note: if you get permission denied errors, do <blah>..."
[7:52] <[Saint]> it seems that xzcat can't perform this write, even with elevated permissions, yes.
[7:53] <[Saint]> *on Ubuntu
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[7:54] <[Saint]> see: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2570&sid=41024ab08b4fb76acbca4ac2bae0bf73
[7:54] <hifi> huh?
[7:55] <[Saint]> blargh, link fail - why can't I just link to a comment, dammit.
[7:56] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/yYzXiW4z
[7:57] <hifi> that's differeny
[7:57] <hifi> different
[7:57] <[Saint]> its exactly the same situation, just a different image.
[7:58] <hifi> if you 'sudo su' first and then do zxcat all's fine
[7:58] <[Saint]> It isn;t going to behave any differently just because the image file is different.
[7:58] <[Saint]> sudo su is ugly as hell.
[7:58] <hifi> I meant the unimaginable situation xzcat wouldn't have permission to write to a block device
[7:59] <hifi> there is no silly added security, just redirections being set before sudo as jojopi said
[7:59] <[Saint]> I mean, ultimately, I don;t care...I figured out it wasn't going to work as is as soon as I read it. But, I doubt this would be the case for everyone.
[7:59] <hifi> which is again one more reason to avoid sudo like the plague, it's a hack
[8:00] <[Saint]> I'm not sure how large your userbase it, but it seems silly to give a direction that justplain won't work for a lot of people and leave them wondering why.
[8:00] <hifi> might be a good idea for the people who copy and paste instructions, but they are NOT my userbase
[8:01] <hifi> those people will not even understand the concept of the root user, they shouldn't be using my installer
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[8:02] <[Saint]> If you do decide to edit the instruction, please don't tell them to "sudo su" before running the xzcat command.
[8:03] <[Saint]> Giving new users a root shell probably isn;t a good idea. :)
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[8:05] <hifi> new users shouldn't be using it in the first place...
[8:05] <[Saint]> Additionally - I don't mean to come off as an ass, and I do understand that your userbase is (intended to be) powerusers.
[8:05] <[Saint]> That won't stop them, though.
[8:05] <hifi> now it does :p
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[8:06] <[Saint]> touché
[8:06] <[Saint]> ;)
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[8:12] <[Saint]> hifi: I haven't looked at how the installer-config is parsed, but I'm assuming it can contain any or all values? As in, the installer-config could consist entirely of "release=jessie" and "packages=foo, bar, baz"?
[8:13] <[Saint]> Or need I duplicate the entire example config?
[8:15] <hifi> it's sourced as a shell script, so it can replace anything and contain code
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[8:16] <[Saint]> Oooooh, nice.
[8:18] <[Saint]> For some reason I thought only the online config could do that.
[8:19] <hifi> so yes, the config config can only contain release and packages if you want
[8:19] <hifi> though do remember the packages are limited to main repo
[8:19] * [Saint] nods
[8:20] <hifi> if you need to do additional magic you can apt-get in post-install though
[8:20] <hifi> i haven't tried that yet
[8:20] <hifi> but in theory if you mount bind /dev and copy resolv.conf in you'd have networking
[8:20] <hifi> or proc, I don't remember what you had to mount bind for networking to work
[8:21] <hifi> I also have newer pure raspbian version that doesn't use any foundation built stuff, the image is a lot smaller
[8:22] <hifi> once plugwash does some fixes to the kernel package I will start linking that, currently when you install the kernel package it nukes your kernel.img from /boot
[8:22] <[Saint]> s/raspbian/debian/?
[8:22] <hifi> no, raspbian
[8:22] <hifi> the default raspbian SD card and any raspbian derieved images use foundation kernel
[8:23] <hifi> starting from next raspbian-ua-netinst it's built off purely from raspbian packages and kernel
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[8:24] <[Saint]> Hmmm. I guess I wasn't clear about the line between raspbian/debian.
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[8:24] <hifi> raspbian is debian hardfloat
[8:24] <hifi> that's about it
[8:25] <hifi> with some pi related modifications and default configs in the kernel package mostly
[8:25] <[Saint]> I would think of raspbian minus the foundation stuffs as debian with a tonne of pi-specific tweaks.
[8:27] <hifi> there is no pi specific tweaks really afaik
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[8:30] <hifi> I'm quite sure you could use raspbian-ua-netinst to do a debian soft float install if you tweak it a bit
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[9:03] <Shtl> Hi Good morning all,
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[9:04] <Shtl> can any one suggest me the deb based minimal OS (Just cli) for RPi
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[9:05] <hifi> Shtl: https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[9:05] <Shtl> thanks hifi
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[9:10] <hifi> Shtl: np
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[9:21] <Shtl> hifi: do i need to hav monitor attached to RPi or just i can boot and ssh to it from other system?
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[9:24] <Ophies> Benguin
[9:24] <Ophies> You're a butt
[9:24] <Ophies> >:(
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[9:25] <Benguin> >^>
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[9:45] <timofonic> Hello
[9:47] <hifi> Shtl: no, you don't need a monitor, as stated it takes around 15 minutes to install
[9:47] <hifi> sshd will be enabled on first boot after the install completes
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[9:47] <Shtl> ok
[9:48] <hifi> as long as you find the ip you can ssh in
[9:48] <Shtl> can i keep an already installed OS + additional packages (creating .img) as backup?
[9:49] <hifi> if you want to save anything you have on the SD card backup it first
[9:49] <hifi> so yes, create an .img with dd for example
[9:50] <Shtl> ok
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[10:16] <Tehnix> should programs using a whole lot % of the CPU be able to make the rpi unresponsive? I'm experiencing problems running transmission + sickbeard on the rpi, it causes it to go unresponsive (can't ssh to it or anything) at random points in time :/
[10:16] <Tehnix> only fix is a hard reboot at that time
[10:16] <hifi> that's probably a hard crash then, if it doesn't recover
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[10:17] <hifi> if you have overclocked it, try with stock clocks, if not, try ventilating it better
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[10:17] <Tehnix> hifi: it's not overclocked. Hmm, will try and see if I can find any logs lying around that might explain it
[10:18] <SirLagz> Tehnix: is it headless ? if not then does it respond to physical interaction ?
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Tehnix, , linux doesn't generally become unresponsive when at 100% cpu.... let alone unrecoverably so.
[10:18] <Tehnix> SirLagz: headless
[10:18] <SirLagz> Tehnix: plug a screen and keyboard in and see what it does ?
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd start by checking the tp1-tp2 voltage
[10:19] <Tehnix> ShiftPlusOne: errr, how'd I go about doing that?
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> and is it connected by wifi or ethernet?
[10:19] <Tehnix> ShiftPlusOne: ethernet
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Got a multimeter?
[10:19] <hifi> if you don't have anything to test it with, try using another power supply
[10:19] <hifi> how do you currently power it?
[10:19] <Tehnix> ShiftPlusOne: unfortunately, no :/
[10:19] <Tehnix> hifi: with the supplied cable
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[10:19] <SirLagz> Tehnix: what's that cable plugged into ?
[10:19] <hifi> that's the best answer I've ever heard :)
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[10:20] <Tehnix> hifi: hehe, sec, trying to find out the specs on the cable :)
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[10:21] <Tehnix> SirLagz: plugged into wall outlet with just one other appliance. It's more than enough power from there, that, I'm 100% sure of
[10:21] <SirLagz> I'm assuming the cable plugs into some sort of USB power supply though...
[10:21] <hifi> that's not *just* a cable, that's a power supply
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[10:22] <Tehnix> micro USB 5V 1A (http://raspberrypi.dk/produkt/stromforsyning-raspberry-pi-eu-5volt-1ampere/)
[10:22] <SirLagz> that's what we need.
[10:22] <SirLagz> do you have a HTC android phone ?
[10:22] <SirLagz> or an iPhone ?
[10:22] <hifi> that's probably a good adapter though
[10:22] <Tehnix> iPhone
[10:22] <SirLagz> try using the iPhone charger as well
[10:22] <hifi> iphone doesn't use microusb?
[10:23] <Tehnix> hifi: nope
[10:23] <SirLagz> no, but the iPhone charger still has a USB plug in it :)
[10:23] <lukefabis> iPhone charger is just a wall wart.
[10:23] <lukefabis> Stick any USB cable in it.
[10:23] <hifi> right, but you still need a usb->microusb cable
[10:23] <lukefabis> Yes.
[10:23] <Tehnix> SirLagz: not quite following, the usb into the raspberry pi?
[10:23] <SirLagz> I'm assuming that's what Tehnix has.
[10:23] <SirLagz> Tehnix: that power supply that you have, can you unplug the cable from it ?
[10:23] <hifi> Shtl: that what he pasted didn't have a USB socket, it directly had a cable
[10:24] <SirLagz> ah right
[10:24] <Tehnix> SirLagz: nope, it's directly attached to the transformer(?)
[10:24] <hifi> also did you ever complete the installation last night?
[10:24] <Tehnix> hifi: was that directed to me?
[10:24] <SirLagz> hifi: yeah it complete but i had already quit irc when it finished
[10:24] <Tehnix> oh ^_^
[10:24] <nid0> how regularly is it dying btw, is this a case of crashes every few minutes when running everything, or might go for hours at a time?
[10:24] <hifi> Tehnix: sorry, should have prefixed
[10:24] <SirLagz> Tehnix: can you borrow a usb -> micro usb cable ?
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[10:25] <Tehnix> nid0: might go weeks, and sometimes only hours.. there's no real pattern :/
[10:25] <Tehnix> SirLagz: yup
[10:25] <Tehnix> SirLagz: so, try to switch it out then?
[10:25] <nid0> have you taken a look in messages to see if anything such as kernel memory errors get output when it dies?
[10:26] <SirLagz> Tehnix: I'd give that a shot to make sure it's not the power supply
[10:26] <lukefabis> Question from a demi-noob: has anyone managed to hit 1 GHz overclock and have their Pi remain stable? What kind of cooling setup was used there?
[10:26] <hifi> 1 GHz could run stable without anything extra
[10:26] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[10:27] <hifi> according to people it depends heavily on the unit itself how high it can be clocked
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Aye, some people struggle with 1GHz even
[10:27] <SirLagz> i haven't even tried to overcloc my Pis lol
[10:27] <SirLagz> never needed to
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> but yes, for most people, the pi will run quite happily at 1GHz
[10:28] <lukefabis> Noted, thank you.
[10:28] <lukefabis> So, out of curiosity, what's the overclocking record?
[10:28] <hifi> over 4 GHz
[10:28] <SirLagz> 3ghz if people online are to be believed lol
[10:28] <SirLagz> 4*
[10:28] <hifi> or was it around 4 GHz
[10:28] <SirLagz> dammit, beaten
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> people have different ideas about what stable means.
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[10:29] <hifi> but that's with ridiculous cooling effort
[10:29] <SirLagz> haha yeah
[10:29] <lukefabis> I can imagine.
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> If I recall correctly, there was something about an sd card melting
[10:29] <SirLagz> burnt i believe.
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[10:30] <sinnet3000> I couldn't even clock to 800mhz
[10:30] <SirLagz> Dom thinks that it's fake though
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[10:30] <SirLagz> I'm curious as to whether it's real or not
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[10:31] <sinnet3000> I doubt it IMO
[10:31] <lukefabis> I've seen some really extreme overclocks done with x86 CPUs.
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[10:31] <lukefabis> Can't see why RPi couldn't be pushed to insane levels.
[10:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Now then... nap time.
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[10:32] <dwatkins> arm_freq=1100 with a heatsink is reported to run at 57'c, sounds a bit high to me, though.
[10:33] <Benguin> so
[10:33] <Benguin> I reinstalled archlinux arm on my pi
[10:33] <Benguin> how safe is it to just
[10:33] <Benguin> copy everything in / from the old installation, to the new installation?
[10:33] <Benguin> or maybe just /usr/bin /etc and /home
[10:33] <SirLagz> depends on whether you're running the same kernel...
[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> What are you trying to accomplish?
[10:33] <SirLagz> personally i'd just copy home
[10:34] <Benguin> I broke my old install by updating the rpi firmware
[10:34] <Benguin> butt if I just copy home I'll have to reinstall all my stuff
[10:34] <Benguin> and settings :<
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[10:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you have two sd cards (one with the old install and one with the new) ?
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[10:35] <ShiftPlusOne> If so, you could copy the files on the fat32 partition from the new install onto the old and you'd be good to go. You didn't have to reinstall, you could have just downloaded the firmware manually.
[10:36] <Benguin> tried that
[10:36] <Benguin> didn't work
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[10:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you know why?
[10:36] <Benguin> I have a copy of only the old installs / folder
[10:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Because if it didn't work, the firmware has nothing to do with it.
[10:36] <Benguin> and no, not really, just that it would try to read the boot partition, for about 20 seconds, then fail
[10:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyway, good luck. I wouldn't bother copying anything but the config files you require. You can get back a list of packages you installed and re-install them properly.
[10:38] <Benguin> probably a better idea
[10:38] <Benguin> ...how does one accomplish that?
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[10:38] <Benguin> since I can't actually boot the / copy I have
[10:38] <SirLagz> copy /home and /etc to get configs
[10:39] <Benguin> I meant, how would I get a list of installed packages?
[10:39] <SirLagz> have a look at all the directories in your PATH environment variable and compare the files that are missing.
[10:39] <hifi> you are probably better off just installing as you go the packages you need
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[10:39] <SirLagz> that won't include libs etc, but pacman should take care of dependencies IIRC
[10:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Benguin, I don't actually know. Gentoo has a plain text file you can get that info from. I am not too sure about arch.
[10:41] <hifi> also it's a good time to move to raspbian \o/
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> hifi, nonsense
[10:41] <SirLagz> lol
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> raspbian is great of course, but some of us prefer arch
[10:42] <hifi> lazy gentoo
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[10:42] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds about right actually
[10:42] <SirLagz> imagine compiling gentoo on the Pi...i tried that once on a Pentium 1. i gave up after a few days lol
[10:42] <ShiftPlusOne> People do >_<
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[10:42] <SirLagz> haha
[10:43] <SirLagz> not me. I'm a debian man, though I want to tryout Arch on my laptop
[10:43] <SirLagz> I'm getting sick of Ubuntus non-rolling updates
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[10:43] <Benguin> I prefer arch's simplicity
[10:43] <hifi> debian/raspbian isn't very complex either
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[10:43] <Benguin> eh, it comes with junk on it
[10:43] <SirLagz> junk...like ?
[10:44] <Benguin> xorg and stuff
[10:44] <hifi> see, perfect time to use raspbian-ua-netinst ;)
[10:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Benguin, the image comes with junk. You can get a minimal image as well. or use hifi's installer.
[10:44] <Benguin> Ah
[10:44] <SirLagz> ah. my debian never comes with junk lol
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[10:44] <Benguin> I use arch on all my other pc's though
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[10:44] <hifi> I found it so sad what raspbian SD card did to debian I had to step in
[10:44] <SirLagz> what Raspbian SD Card ?
[10:44] <hifi> even though I'm a fedora user now
[10:45] <hifi> the official
[10:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ?
[10:45] <hifi> image, image!
[10:45] <hifi> not card
[10:45] <SirLagz> oh the image >
[10:45] <SirLagz> lol
[10:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[10:45] <ShiftPlusOne> a fedora user? What's the deal with fedora anyway?
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[10:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I have used it for a while when fedora pi remix was the recommended distro, but it just felt so awkward.
[10:45] <hifi> what I've seen it's quite bleeding edge
[10:46] <SirLagz> it's just red hat without the red lol
[10:46] <ShiftPlusOne> And my server runs centos, which also feels terrible >=/
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[10:46] <hifi> centos is entttterprise
[10:46] <SirLagz> which is again red hat...without the red or the hat lol
[10:46] <hifi> we (at work) sort of moved from debian to centos because it has better support in the corporate world
[10:47] <hifi> and I moved from debian to fedora on the desktop as that makes me a better sysadmin with centos when hell breaks loose
[10:47] <Tachyon`> deadrat
[10:47] <SirLagz> or you could just use CentOS on the desktop too lol
[10:47] <Tachyon`> you poor thing -.-
[10:47] <hifi> and I broke my debian installation before that by forgetting "unstable" in my apt sources
[10:47] <hifi> SirLagz: that would be like using debian stable!
[10:47] <SirLagz> that's one of the things i like about Linux...same system can be a perfectly good gaming rig, or a perfectly good server
[10:47] <SirLagz> hifi: hahaha
[10:48] <Tachyon`> well, the same is true of windows
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[10:48] <hifi> actually worse
[10:48] <Tachyon`> microsoft just artificially separate them
[10:48] <hifi> because it doesn't have that much desktop related packages
[10:48] <SirLagz> Tachyon`: well we can't then really can we :P
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[10:49] <Tachyon`> ah, my postcode has been selected
[10:49] <Tachyon`> FOR FRAUD
[10:49] <hifi> also testing out stuff on fedora gives me a good glimpse what will become RHEL7 and eventually CentOS 7
[10:49] <Benguin> if I copied all my etc stuff
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[10:50] <Benguin> would those files be overwitten when I reinstall thincs anyway?
[10:50] <hifi> if arch doesn't suck, no
[10:50] <hifi> and I doubt it sucks that much
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[10:50] <SirLagz> lol
[10:50] <SirLagz> what hifi said.
[10:50] <hifi> I don't have anything against arch though, I used it for quite some time
[10:50] <ShiftPlusOne> iirc arch saves a backup of the old files and then you can run a command to merge, or replace the config files... or whatever you want to do.
[10:50] <hifi> .pacnew, was it?
[10:51] <ShiftPlusOne> or pacsav... idn
[10:51] <ShiftPlusOne> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacnew_and_Pacsave_Files
[10:51] <hifi> most linux distributions lack an automated way to migrate from old to new config
[10:51] <Benguin> heh, I think, maybe coping my sysctemctl settings went wrong
[10:52] <Benguin> at boot it started and then stopped opensshdaemon like a billion times
[10:52] <Benguin> and getty..
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[10:52] <hifi> that could be a kernel fail too
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[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I would not have copied ALL of /etc , just the files you have put effort into.
[10:52] <hifi> like missing initrd image
[10:52] <hifi> dunno if arch even generated initrd images
[10:53] <hifi> generates*
[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I hope to never have to set znc up again, for example, so I made sure I have a backup of it. >.>
[10:53] <Benguin> hmm
[10:53] <Benguin> yeah znc is annoying to set up
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[10:54] <hifi> thankfully real IRC clients just work
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[10:56] <Benguin> guuuh, I'm too lazy to do this atm I'll do it later o^o
[10:56] <Benguin> I'm a bad linux user.
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[10:57] <Jck_true> Hmm any of you guys got an idea what to use a tiny servo for on my desk?
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[10:58] <hifi> a fly is having a feast on a tissue I sneezed to, I don't know what to think of that
[10:59] <Benguin> it's the ciiicle of liiiife
[10:59] <Benguin> circle*
[10:59] <Benguin> anyway,I'm off, later!
[11:00] <Benguin> thanks for the advisement
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[11:00] <hifi> yeah, now he just needs to go touch another human being to continue infecting my flu
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[12:10] <[7]> [Saint]: my guess is that the database writes, which likely are synchronous, are slowing it down noticably
[12:12] <[7]> for one time setup stuff, where you can just start over and do it again if it should fail, it's quite appropriate, especially on sd cards
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[12:23] <voxadam> Does the processor on the Raspberry Pi contain any crypto offload or AES-NI type instructions to assist with things like VPN connections?
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[12:33] <[7]> voxadam: this processor is mostly a GPU with a little ARM "coprocessor" that linux runs on. So I strongly doubt it will have anything like that.
[12:34] <voxadam> I had a feeling.
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[12:34] <[7]> arrrrrgh... why does start.elf outright ignore the "cmdline" parameter!?
[12:34] <[7]> that just caused hours of pointless debugging attempts :/
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[12:37] <[7]> start.elf apparently hardwires the kernel command line to "dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait" :/
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[12:54] * [7] swears about these closed source blobs
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[12:58] <[7]> "cmdline (string) command line parameters. Can be used instead of cmdline.txt file" - well, that seems to be utterly wrong
[13:00] <linuxstb> [7]: File a bug report? (raspberrypi/firmware on github)
[13:01] <[7]> well, what is considered to be "right", the wiki or the code?
[13:02] <hifi> the wiki is unofficial afaik
[13:02] <[7]> now with cmdline.txt it seems to get the bootargs, but I still don't have a console. wtf.
[13:03] <[7]> it can't be *that* hard to get a stupid shell running on the serial port, can it?
[13:03] <hifi> your inittab is correct, right?
[13:04] <[7]> i'm using an initramfs that's said to be "known good" somewhere on the forums
[13:04] <[7]> ::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS
[13:04] <[7]> ::respawn:-/bin/sh
[13:04] <[7]> ::ctrlaltdel:/bin/umount -a -r
[13:04] <[7]> can't be all that wrong
[13:05] <[7]> but I'm only getting dmesg output on the serial port
[13:05] <hifi> it doesn't really set any tty to serial
[13:05] <hifi> if that's your complete inittab
[13:05] <hifi> is that busybox?
[13:05] <[7]> I think so
[13:05] <[7]> effective kernel command line: dma.dmachans=0x7f35 bcm2708_fb.fbwidth=656 bcm2708_fb.fbheight=416 bcm2708.boardrev=0x2 bcm2708.serial=0xe40be314 smsc95xx.macaddr=B8:27:EB:0B:E3:14 sdhci-bcm2708.emmc_clock_freq=100000000 vc_mem.mem_base=0xfa00000 vc_mem.mem_size=0x10000000 dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 print_fatal_signals=1 LOGLEVEL=8
[13:06] <hifi> the kernel has nothing to do with your serial after it has outputted the boot stuff
[13:06] <[7]> so the serial port is supposed to be the only console
[13:06] <[7]> which should be what init's stdout is...
[13:06] <hifi> you need to have the serial port set as login tty
[13:08] <[7]> well, in theory (at least it seemed to work that way on x86) I should be able to just have this setup:
[13:08] <[7]> console=whatever bootarg, /init being a file containing just "#!/bin/sh\n/bin/sh\n", and /bin/sh being a symlink to busybox
[13:09] <[7]> and this inittab is from the "kernel_emergency.img" file IIUC
[13:15] <[7]> hm, we're getting closer
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[13:16] <[7]> hm... is it possible to link busybox with klibc?
[13:16] <mgottschlag> huh, I always had to specify the terminal file together with the shell executable in inittab
[13:16] <hifi> kernel_emergency has a lot of additional cruft though
[13:16] <hifi> as it has an included initramfs
[13:16] <hifi> and if you specify your own initramfs it is extracted on top of the included one
[13:16] <[7]> /init being "#!/bin/sh\n/bin/sh </dev/console >/dev/console 2>&1\n" seems to work
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[14:15] <faLUCE> hello. is there an image with a desktop os + xbmc ?
[14:16] <mrlespaulman> I use Raspbian with the xbmc package from michael gorven's blog
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[14:17] <faLUCE> mrlespaulman: url?
[14:20] <mrlespaulman> http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc
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[14:21] <mrlespaulman> faLUCE: You can download a preloaded raspbian image there too.
[14:21] <faLUCE> mrlespaulman: is it a desktop image?
[14:22] <faLUCE> I mean: desktop + xbmc ?
[14:22] <mrlespaulman> yes. type startx to open the desktop
[14:22] <mrlespaulman> you can run xbmc from there.
[14:22] <faLUCE> mrlespaulman: thanks. but I can't found the link for the image
[14:23] <faLUCE> raspbian-xbmc-20121029.img.xz
[14:23] <faLUCE> it doesn't provide the link for downloading it
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[14:25] <mrlespaulman> They are under the Release history heading. Torrents/magnet links
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[14:26] <davor> weee I got my m-f breadboard jumper cables in the mail today
[14:26] <faLUCE> thanks very much mrlespaulman. what about the youtube plugin? does it work in this image?
[14:27] <mrlespaulman> Oh yes it does. Youtube, 1channel, errthing works great!
[14:27] <faLUCE> great
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[14:34] <SirLagz> hifi
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[14:50] <davor> hmmm... should I start Star Trek: Enterprise
[14:51] <SirLagz> nope.
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[14:51] <bacobart> i liked it
[14:51] <SirLagz> I'm just spouting crap btw.
[14:52] <davor> I hear it really grows its beard after the 3rd season or so
[14:52] <davor> heh
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[14:52] <bacobart> the only thing that you're going to loathe is that stupid theme song
[14:53] <davor> hahaha
[14:53] <davor> I actually don't mind the theme song
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[14:53] <bacobart> get back to me after you finish season4 ;)
[14:53] <davor> haha
[14:53] <davor> I think I'll finish my DS9 rewatch and then take off
[14:54] <davor> with ENT
[14:54] <davor> man, I love DS9... must be my favourite TV series ever
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[14:55] <SirLagz> anyone know how many switches is too many switches in a network ?
[14:55] <bacobart> i think that when you have to ask that question, you've reached the point of too many switches ;p
[14:55] <SirLagz> hahaha
[14:55] <SirLagz> i seem to remember 3...
[14:56] <bacobart> well that shouldnt really be too many
[14:57] <SirLagz> that's the amount of switches I have atm lol
[14:57] <hifi> IIRC it's relative to the maximum time a TCP packet can travel without being discarded as timed out
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[14:58] <SirLagz> well 3 switches won't take packets long at all so taht should be fine then
[14:59] <bacobart> there's a TTL on packets, on how many hops a packet can do
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[14:59] <bacobart> but thats at 30 i believe
[14:59] <SirLagz> grrrr why wont this laptop boot =/
[14:59] <SirLagz> was working fine yesterday !
[15:00] <ozzzy> it hates you
[15:00] <SirLagz> and it works now...wtf =/
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[15:06] <SirLagz> hifi: is the /etc/apt/sources.list one done by you ?
[15:08] <SirLagz> hrm, no ralink modules
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[15:09] <SirLagz> *sigh* i really can't be bothered compiling hte ralink module =/
[15:10] <SirLagz> back to RSE
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[16:11] <SirLagz> woooo kernel panicked...again
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[16:25] <hifi> SirLagz: yes, you need to add more sources to it if you need something special
[16:25] <SirLagz> hifi: yeah I was just trying to get my wifi stick working lol
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[16:25] <hifi> I doubt you would need to compile something
[16:26] <SirLagz> it doesn't have modules for my rt5370 stick
[16:26] <hifi> raspbian doesn't have the modules?
[16:26] <SirLagz> well Raspbian does...
[16:26] <hifi> and?
[16:26] <hifi> install the firmware package
[16:27] <SirLagz> lsmod - no rt2800usb module loaded
[16:27] <hifi> what I said
[16:27] <SirLagz> installed firmware, but still no module
[16:27] <hifi> did you also install the kernel package
[16:27] <SirLagz> oh...derp.
[16:27] <SirLagz> didn't check to see if it was installed lol
[16:28] <hifi> it's not installed as stated in the documentation too
[16:28] <SirLagz> haha
[16:28] <SirLagz> yeah i probably forgot that
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[16:28] <SirLagz> multitasking is distracting
[16:28] <hifi> there are no modules shipped with raspbian-ua-netinst kernel
[16:28] <hifi> so naturally even if you install the firmware there are no modules
[16:28] <SirLagz> yep
[16:28] <SirLagz> forgot to install the kernel package lol
[16:29] <hifi> installing the 3.6 trunk kernel and fixing /boot/config.txt BEFORE rebooting is what I told you to do last night
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[16:30] <SirLagz> shows how good my memory is lol
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[16:32] <hifi> the documentation will be updated to reflect the real kernel package once the pending issue is fixed, I find it rather inconvenient installing the kernel package makes raspbian unbootable
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[16:41] <faLUCE> hello. I downloaded a prebuilt image from here: http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc raspbian-xbmc-20130704.img. but it seems that it doesn't have a desktop. it has only xbmc... what I miss? are there images with desktopv + xbmc ?
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[16:56] <[Saint]> faLUCE: it sounds like you want to install xbmc from withing raspbian.
[16:56] <[Saint]> However, this really doesn't work terribly well.
[16:56] <[Saint]> (splitting of resources)
[16:56] <[Saint]> *within
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[16:58] <faLUCE> [Saint]: I don't want to install anything. I'm searching for a distro that already has these thingas
[16:58] <faLUCE> [Saint]: I don't want to install anything. I'm searching for a distro that already has these things
[17:00] <SirLagz> RaspBMC ?
[17:00] <SirLagz> I don't know if that's what you downloaded or not.
[17:00] <faLUCE> SirLagz: it seems that raspbmc doesn't have a desktop
[17:01] <SirLagz> in that case. You're buggered.
[17:01] <SirLagz> AFAIK all distros either have have a Pi optimised XBMC install, or a desktop
[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> I built xbmc on a RPI under raspbinan so I can run xbmc from the command line - but it's not something that is easy to do ..... takes a while
[17:02] <faLUCE> SirLagz: I don't understand why
[17:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> but if you use noobs or have 2 SD cards then no issues really
[17:03] <SirLagz> faLUCE: I'd ask the Distro maintainers.
[17:03] <faLUCE> RaTTuS|BIG: yes, I know that. but I wonder why there are not such distros
[17:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> what someone needs to do is make xbmc a package
[17:04] <faLUCE> I'm not noob. but I don't want to waste time in doing what should be already done
[17:04] <kephra> just install xbmc under debian, and you are done
[17:05] <faLUCE> kephra: which distro?
[17:05] <kephra> raspbian
[17:05] <faLUCE> kephra: I remember that I had to do many things for obtaining that, some months ago
[17:06] <faLUCE> it was not so easy
[17:07] <SirLagz> xbmc package on raspbian doesn't include some optimisations that OpenELEC and RaspBMC have
[17:07] <faLUCE> SirLagz: which ones?
[17:08] <SirLagz> I'm no expert so I'm not sure. sorry
[17:08] <SirLagz> although I did read that a few months ago
[17:08] <SirLagz> may have changed now
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[17:09] <faLUCE> this is weird
[17:10] <faLUCE> really: an image with desktop, xbmc, torrent, browser would be very useful
[17:10] <[7]> sounds like raspbian + a few packages?
[17:10] <SirLagz> well why would you need a desktop AND xbmc ?
[17:10] <malcom2073> The raspberry pi doesn't have very much in the way of resouces, such a system would likely not be able to handle doing all that at once, and retain its ability todo each individual task quickly?
[17:10] <SirLagz> most people who use xbmc have their Pi plugged into a TV so have no use for a desktop
[17:11] <faLUCE> SirLagz: because I need xbmc and a torrent client with a web browser
[17:11] <SirLagz> faLUCE: torrent client with a web browser ?
[17:11] <faLUCE> SirLagz: because I need xbmc and a torrent client and a web browser
[17:11] <SirLagz> ah
[17:11] <SirLagz> why do you need a web browser on your xbmc box ?
[17:11] <malcom2073> faLUCE: install raspxbmc, apt-get install a desktop, browser, and torrent client?
[17:12] <faLUCE> malcom2073: it would not so easy and safe
[17:12] <faLUCE> apt-get install "a desktop" is easy to say, unstable to do
[17:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> web browsing is going to be painful unless you use elinks ;-p
[17:12] <SirLagz> faLUCE: why do you need a web browser AND xbmc ?
[17:13] <faLUCE> SirLagz: because with a web browser I choose torrent files from web forums
[17:13] <SirLagz> use transmission-daemon
[17:13] <SirLagz> and use another computer to add torrents to the pi
[17:13] <SirLagz> or a phone
[17:13] <SirLagz> or a tablet
[17:13] <SirLagz> transmission-daemon has a web interface
[17:14] <faLUCE> SirLagz: I don't have a phone., nor a tablet
[17:14] <SirLagz> do you have another computer ?
[17:14] <faLUCE> I don 't want to use another computer. SirLagz I already did this stuff some months ago
[17:14] <SirLagz> well if you did this stuff some months ago why are you doing it again ?
[17:14] <faLUCE> then my sd card has broken, without a backup
[17:14] <SirLagz> ah i see.
[17:14] <SirLagz> well what did you use some months ago ?
[17:14] <faLUCE> it was very useful
[17:15] <faLUCE> I built a system with xbmc, desktop
[17:15] <faLUCE> and torrent
[17:15] <faLUCE> I used it in the night for downloading movies
[17:15] <SirLagz> if you don't need to watch youtube and the few other things that the optimised xbmc clients did, then you can install xbmc via apt-get
[17:16] <SirLagz> grab normal raspbian and install xbmc on that
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[17:16] <faLUCE> I used youtube plugin too
[17:16] <faLUCE> and I need it
[17:17] <faLUCE> it was a very useful system. no need of two computers.
[17:18] <faLUCE> and I don't understand why other people did not do the same thing
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[17:23] <ShorTie> you know, someone who would help you setup a torrent thing, could be held as an accessory if you download an illegal thing ??
[17:23] <SirLagz> ShorTie: not every torrent is illegal
[17:23] <ShorTie> notice what i said pleaze
[17:24] <SirLagz> ah. sorry misread.
[17:24] <johnc-> copyright infringement should be civil matter anyway :(
[17:25] <faLUCE> torrent can be used for legal stuff too
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of-off-topic.
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> Is there a way to - with normal sysadmin tools - pin a process in RAM - so it absopositively won't be swapped out.
[17:27] <kephra> torrent should be used for legal stuff only - as your ip can be logged by anybody sharing the torrent
[17:27] <nmpro> yep.. very true..
[17:27] <kephra> e.g. i often seed modarchive when new year collection comes out
[17:28] <kephra> perfectly legal ;-)
[17:40] <[7]> waaaaah
[17:40] <[7]> can someone please kill these write protect switches on SD cards!=
[17:40] <[7]> !?
[17:40] <IT_Sean> um...
[17:40] <IT_Sean> the raspi doesn't read the switch, [7]
[17:40] <IT_Sean> it ignores it. :p
[17:41] <[7]> yes, but my laptop does
[17:41] <IT_Sean> Oh
[17:41] <IT_Sean> Well.
[17:41] <[7]> and the switch magically switches to "on" every second time I insert the card to fix something
[17:41] <[7]> that's rather annoying...
[17:42] <johnc-> hehe, mine does that sometimes
[17:42] <johnc-> very annoying
[17:42] <IT_Sean> If you rip the sliding tab off the SD card, does the PC see it as locked, or unlocked???
[17:43] <Firehopper> 7, a drop of superglue will keep it from moving :)
[17:43] <[7]> IT_Sean: locked
[17:43] <Firehopper> its not actually a switch on the card..
[17:43] <IT_Sean> :/
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[17:43] <Firehopper> the sd card slot has the switch.. its just a movable lump of plastic that the switch can detect where it is..
[17:43] <[7]> a drop of glue might help indeed, but I'm afraid it might get stuck in the slot or something
[17:43] <IT_Sean> Firehopper is correct. It is in no way electrically connected to the card. It's position is read mechanically from the slot.
[17:44] <Firehopper> just dont brake it off..
[17:44] <IT_Sean> [7]: you let the glue dry BEFORE you put it in the slot.
[17:44] <Firehopper> if its broken off the card, it reads as protected :)
[17:44] <[7]> with some kinds of glue this could happen regardless :/
[17:44] <Firehopper> so I had to glue a tiny bit of wood on to replace it :)
[17:44] <Firehopper> superglue :)
[17:44] <Firehopper> works wonders :)
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[18:27] -mist- [Global Notice] Please note that emails from services (nickserv etc..) are currently unavailable. ETA to their return is approx 1-2 hours. During this downtime, new registration emails will fail, and password resets cannot be issued.
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[19:50] <faLUCE> hello. I have a 4 Gig sd card with an image of raspbian + other stuff. how can I backup the image so that I can use it, in the future on a 8 or 16 Gig sd card?
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[19:53] <feeshon> You can use DD
[19:53] <faLUCE> feeshon: ?
[19:54] <feeshon> dd if=/dev/sdc of=sdimage.img bs=4M
[19:54] <feeshon> This will create a copy of your card into an img
[19:54] <feeshon> When you want to image another card you can do the reverse
[19:54] <faLUCE> feeshon: thanks but it will create a 4Gb file, right? what if I want to put it on another sd card?
[19:55] <faLUCE> with another size? (8gb)
[19:55] <feeshon> You would expand the file system
[19:55] <feeshon> which raspbian has a utility to do so
[19:55] <feeshon> raspi-config
[19:56] <faLUCE> yes thanks, but it would work even without expand the file system?
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[19:57] <feeshon> Yes it will just that your file system will only have 4GB accessible
[19:57] <faLUCE> thanks feeshon
[19:57] <feeshon> No problem
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[19:59] <TurtleTemps> hey
[20:01] <TurtleTemps> heads up ->advent N212 wireless number Pads are reduced from �19.99 to �2.99 @ currys
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[20:09] <NullMoogleCable> hi
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[20:22] -mist- [Global Notice] Services emails should now be working as normal, thanks.
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[20:39] <steve_rox> got fun?
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[20:43] <steve_rox> its too quiet
[20:44] * steve_rox lobbs a flashbang into the room
[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> No lobbing >=/
[20:45] <steve_rox> :-D
[20:45] * ShorTie falls of his chair
[20:46] <steve_rox> that seemed to work
[20:46] * IT_Sean makes a rude noise
[20:47] * hifi snorts
[20:50] <steve_rox> how jolly
[20:50] <aaa801> anyone managed to get chrome to run on weston
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[21:05] <Firehopper> http://t.co/FUnEmQOvwR < box of kittens
[21:06] <steve_rox2> what am i ment to do with them?
[21:07] <Firehopper> cuddle them?
[21:08] <IT_Sean> AWWW!
[21:08] <IT_Sean> I want one!
[21:08] * Firehopper laughs :)
[21:10] <TurtleTemps> ewww kittens in a box
[21:11] <TurtleTemps> last one of those I found gave me ringworm
[21:11] * aaa801 tips the box of kittens over TurtleTemps
[21:12] * TurtleTemps shudders
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[21:18] <aaa801> god damit, i left my last usb mouse at the hackspace =/
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[21:19] * apo would gladly exchange a USB mouse for a hacker space
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[21:21] <djapo> hello world, i have my boot/config.txt file set to use hmdi group 2 and hdmi mode 27 which should give me 1280X800 scree resolution but when i run xinit and than xrandr it says its maximum is 640X480 even xbmc reports this size
[21:22] <djapo> djapo: im going to try some other resolutions and see if they are set
[21:23] <pksato> safe_hdmi=1 ?
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> not strictly on topic. I thought there was an option for less to go to the next file at the bottom of the previous?
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> can't find it in manage
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> manpage
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[21:26] <pksato> like a 'concatenated' file?
[21:26] <djapo> pksato: i don't have that set
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[21:27] <pksato> djapo: bugged edid?
[21:27] <djapo> SpeedEvil: cat 1file 2file >> 3file
[21:28] <djapo> pksato: does it neet to be set
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[21:38] <kephra> today was an important step of my birdcv side project - wrapped picam, v4l webcam, and opencv into one Lua lib/module
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[21:47] <CrazyGadget> I have a raspberry pi and I'm running raspian, but on startup, it's saying that the root file system does not have enogh free space, and when i try to use startx, it just goes to a black screen. Can anyone please help me?
[21:48] <pukka_pi> What Size SD card are you using?
[21:48] <CrazyGadget> 16 gigs
[21:49] <pukka_pi> have you tried using raspi-config to expand the root fs?
[21:49] <CrazyGadget> no, I will though now
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[21:50] <pukka_pi> give it a shot, I think the Raspian image defaults to a 2GB partition (ish) which could easily fill up
[21:50] <CrazyGadget> ok, im in the config, now what
[21:51] <pukka_pi> there should be a expand root fs option
[21:51] <CrazyGadget> there is
[21:51] <pukka_pi> select it
[21:51] <CrazyGadget> done, reboot?
[21:51] <doc-saintly> Does anyone have a recommendation on how to connect into your Pi from behind a firewall?
[21:51] <doc-saintly> Something like Teamviewer / LogMeIn?
[21:52] <pukka_pi> yu[
[21:52] <pukka_pi> yup
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[21:52] <sney> doc-saintly, most people use ssh but if you want/need the desktop gui there's also xrdp
[21:53] <doc-saintly> sney: the problem is it's behind a firewall I don't control
[21:53] <doc-saintly> otherwise I would just open the ports
[21:53] <CrazyGadget> still getting the warning about root file system having insufficiant space
[21:53] <pukka_pi> what does lsblk output?
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[21:54] <CrazyGadget> I've never used linux b4 so I don't know what that means
[21:55] <sney> doc-saintly, that firewall doesn't allow windows remote desktop? that's what xrdp uses
[21:55] <pukka_pi> just type lsblk and press enter
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[21:56] <pukka_pi> it should show you your partition sizes
[21:56] <CrazyGadget> size?
[21:57] <pukka_pi> mine shows :
[21:57] <pukka_pi> mmcblk0 179:0 0 29.7G 0 disk
[21:57] <pukka_pi> ├─mmcblk0p1 179:1 0 56M 0 part /boot
[21:57] <pukka_pi> └─mmcblk0p2 179:2 0 29.7G 0 part /
[21:57] <CrazyGadget> mmcblk0 size is 14.7g
[21:58] <pukka_pi> do you have a p1 and p2?
[21:58] <doc-saintly> sney: I need to get in to the pi, and it's behind a router that I can't open ports on.
[21:58] <CrazyGadget> yes, p1 sayd 56m and p2 says 14.7g
[22:00] <plugwash> ok what does df say?
[22:00] <plugwash> and can you start X now?
[22:00] <CrazyGadget> i don't see df
[22:01] <CrazyGadget> startx did work
[22:02] <CrazyGadget> also, how do i set my resolution
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[22:03] <CrazyGadget> how do i set my resolution?
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[22:08] <pukka_pi> So your in the GUI now yeah?
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[22:20] <doc-saintly> so no one remotes into their pi without ports opened? :(
[22:20] <steve_rox2> wish i could change res without reboot
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[22:24] <Encrypt> doc-saintly, Locally, I do
[22:24] <Encrypt> That's what you do when you SSH into it, right?
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[22:27] <doc-saintly> Encrypt: Yea, but I'm looking for a way outside. Perhaps Reverse SSH is the answer.
[22:27] <doc-saintly> i'll poke and prod around in linux a bit I think.
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[22:27] <Encrypt> doc-saintly, Can"t you open port 22?
[22:28] <doc-saintly> no
[22:28] <doc-saintly> I don't control the firewal
[22:28] <Encrypt> That's what I've done on my dsl modem (router)
[22:29] <Encrypt> I could open ports
[22:29] <doc-saintly> Encrypt: yep, but I don't control the firewall
[22:29] <Encrypt> Hum... :/
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[22:29] <PhotoJim> one answer would be to have a VPN tunnel to the other machine from where you want to connect, but it would need its own open port to accommodate that.
[22:30] <doc-saintly> mhm. I've been given the suggestion of reverse SSH or reverse VPN, but not too familiar with those
[22:30] <PhotoJim> it'll take some learning.
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[22:31] <doc-saintly> PhotoJim: are you familiar with it?
[22:31] <PhotoJim> Tunneling yes, reverse SSH no.
[22:31] <doc-saintly> K. I do fine with bringing traffic back through the tunnel , just the reverse part throws me.
[22:31] <doc-saintly> Here's another Pi specific question - what's the best way to setup VNC on the same display as the HDMI output?
[22:31] <doc-saintly> raspbian
[22:32] <PhotoJim> a tunnel is just an Ethernet route, but the route isn't hardware, it's a virtual tunnel transported encapsulated in another IP's traffic.
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[22:40] <LigerZero> Any sound wizards around? I still don't know how to get sound on it yet :/
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[23:09] <pronto> wewt, got the laptop dock from my dad, next step get the parts to make the rpi laptop
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[23:28] <nmpro> pronto, rpi laptop?
[23:28] <nmpro> sounds like a fun project!!
[23:29] <pronto> nmpro: its been done before
[23:29] <pronto> nmpro: its with that atrix laptopdock
[23:29] <nmpro> has it?
[23:29] <pronto> http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/wireless/detail-page/motorola-atrix_dock-main-lg.jpg <
[23:29] <pronto> many times
[23:29] <pronto> lol
[23:29] <pronto> yo ucan pick those docks up for pretty cheap, when the moto atrix came out, i bought it for my dad when it was expensive
[23:29] <pronto> he used it like 5 times
[23:30] <pronto> just got it back, :p
[23:30] <nmpro> cool
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[23:31] <TurtleTemps> not seen an rpi pancake flipper yet
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[23:31] <pronto> make one
[23:31] <nmpro> true.. but I think a rpi toilet bowl scrubber is in order.. ;)
[23:31] <pronto> :D
[23:32] <Encrypt> Adafruit made a "howto" video to build this kind of thing
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[23:33] <nmpro> Encrypt, which thing? toilet bowl, pancake flipper?
[23:34] * heathkid|2 is now known as heathkid
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[23:36] <Encrypt> nmpro, "The RPi laptop"
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[23:40] <jda2000> Wow! i just discovered that my raspberry pi won't come up if the keyboard cover is mashing some of the keys. I had a bad moment there.
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[23:43] <jda2000> Anybody using the raspian motion daemon w/ the paspberry pi camera?
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[23:49] <djazz> 72 days uptime, and counting! i use this pi as irc client, web server, whatever needs 24/7 hosting :D
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[23:52] <steve_rox2> fun
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[23:53] <PipeDale> Hi
[23:53] <nmpro> hi PipeDale
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[23:53] <PipeDale> How's everyone on this wonderful evening?
[23:54] <nmpro> so far.. so good.. 4pm here.. work is almost over.. yippie .. :-)
[23:54] <kephra> nmpro still 20 minutes to wait for relax
[23:55] <PipeDale> Ahhh
[23:55] <PipeDale> I'm still screwing at my iPhone :(
[23:55] <nmpro> lol
[23:56] <PipeDale> debating what software to run
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[23:57] <steve_rox> most ppl just run angry birds or something like that
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[23:59] <PipeDale> i mean iOS

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