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IRC Log for 2013-08-16

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[0:24] <crumb> hi
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[0:24] <crumb> where do i get a build environment for the pi?
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[0:28] <Freeder> Hi, I'm playing with a waterproof temp sensor, black wire connected to ground, red to +5, and the white sensor to gpio4 (along with a 5K resistor to +5). when i modprobe w1-therm, I am not able to see the sensor appear in the /sys/bus/w1/devices/ path. Where would I start troubleshooting?
[0:29] <blonkel> dmesg
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[0:30] <Freeder> no errors in there
[0:30] <blonkel> crumb: git://github.com/raspberrypi/tools.git
[0:30] <Freeder> last entry: [ 41.204080] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1
[0:31] <crumb> blonkel: does it come with any instructions?
[0:33] <blonkel> hmm, not realy i used it for cross compiling the linux kernel source: http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation, maybe it helps a bit :)
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[0:34] <crumb> thanks
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[0:40] <blonkel> [7] thanks, its running :)
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[1:34] <crumb> where can i get g.729 codec for rpi-asterisk
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[2:18] <funkster> so i read the docs too quickly while connecting raspberrypi serial cable and had USB power while i plugged in usb serial cable. seems when i boot RPi only red light shows and nothing else. Anything i can do or thats it for this RPi?
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[2:23] <Freeder> have you unplugged everything (yes, everything), and then tried booting w/o anything connected?
[2:24] <funkster> yes
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[2:28] <ShorTie> you could try redoing the card real quick
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[3:17] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/9518472027/ < newest light painting :)
[3:18] <pronto> wait
[3:18] <pronto> Firehopper: explian that
[3:18] <pronto> oh
[3:18] <pronto> not with lasers
[3:18] <pronto> lame
[3:19] <pronto> saw this neat talk at defcon where people did projector like things with lasers and mirrors and servos
[3:20] <Firehopper> I dont have lasers and servos an stuff.
[3:20] <Firehopper> I'm using my doodlestick
[3:20] <pksato> Firehopper: nice, that is shutter speed?
[3:20] <pronto> is that a long exposure photo?
[3:20] <Firehopper> 20 seconds
[3:20] <Firehopper> yes :)
[3:20] <pronto> Firehopper: not saying what you did isnt cool, because it is
[3:20] <pronto> but i just like lasers a lot
[3:21] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/9455793994/ < this is the device :)
[3:21] <Firehopper> lasers are really cool.. but expensive as hell
[3:21] <pksato> oh.. need to be "the flash" :)
[3:21] <pronto> oooh, one of those things
[3:21] <pronto> i almost bought one of those strips, one of the venders were selling them
[3:22] <Firehopper> I have a old HE-NE tube/powersupply with scanning galvos.. but no idea how to hook up the laser power supply.. or if it still even works..
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[3:22] <Firehopper> I didnt really have to move too fast actually :)
[3:22] <pronto> Firehopper: is it easy to program/talkto/whatever
[3:22] <pronto> the light-strip
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[3:22] <Firehopper> and I can adjust the delay between the rows
[3:23] <Firehopper> pronto I'm using the strip I got off ebay.. it spi
[3:23] <Firehopper> and theres a libary to talk to it.. so its easy :)
[3:23] <Firehopper> strip.setpixelcolor(led#, R,B,G)
[3:23] <pronto> hah, nice, is the library portable? (i dont have an arudino board)
[3:24] <Firehopper> then once you have all the leds set to the colors you want. strip.show
[3:24] <Firehopper> no idea..
[3:24] <pronto> parallax propellerboard, and rpi's
[3:25] <Firehopper> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170965202155 < the strip, I have, sold by the foot..
[3:25] <Firehopper> https://github.com/adafruit/LPD8806 < code :)
[3:25] <pronto> ah, nice
[3:25] <pronto> nice ice
[3:25] <pronto> nice n*ice
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[3:34] <Lerg> Are we talking about lasers?
[3:34] <Firehopper> nope rgb leds
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[3:35] <Lerg> Anyway it might be a good opportunity to humbly promote my game for ios and android - Laser Flow - check it out.
[3:36] <funkster> is there no way to console into RPi while having usb connection power?
[3:36] <Lerg> btw, anybody rebuilt kernel on rpi under arch linux arm?
[3:37] <SirLagz> funkster: console as in serial port ?
[3:37] <funkster> Firehopper: you powering leds and RPi off one source of power?
[3:37] <funkster> SirLagz: sorry, yes i mean serial console.
[3:37] <Firehopper> not rpi, arduino
[3:37] <funkster> Firehopper: gotcha.
[3:37] <SirLagz> funkster: I don't see whats stopping you using the serial port on the Pi if you're powering via the USB...
[3:38] <funkster> well me either, until i use it and things like up. lol. adafruit tutorial says to not power with both as well, so def an issue.
[3:38] <funkster> maybe dont plug in power/ground wires?
[3:38] <SirLagz> don
[3:38] <SirLagz> don't plug in power wire
[3:38] <funkster> plug in ground tho?
[3:38] <SirLagz> i think ground still needs to be plugged in though
[3:39] <SirLagz> iirc
[3:39] <funkster> ok let me try that. if i break RPi i send you bill =P
[3:39] <SirLagz> lol
[3:40] <Lerg> I am trying to understand where to specify it should be 3.10 kernel and not something else...
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[3:40] <Firehopper> ground needs to be connected.. or nothing will work :)
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[3:42] <funkster> SirLagz: work great, with ground in
[3:42] <funkster> i guess i will leave it in?
[3:42] <SirLagz> yep
[3:42] <funkster> awesome.
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[3:46] <ShorTie> uname -r will tell you your kernel
[3:46] <ShorTie> 3.6.11-14-ARCH+
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[3:49] <funkster> created a /tmpfs for max 50MB - awesome way to store some files that my programs fun
[3:50] <SirLagz> my whole /tmp is a tmpfs lol
[3:52] <Lerg> I see https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-3.10.y and https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/tree/master/core/linux-raspberrypi-latest
[3:52] <funkster> SirLagz: oh damn. niice i should do that actually lol
[3:52] <Lerg> what to use to build a kernel, given that I want to make a few changes?
[3:53] <SirLagz> Lerg: what changes ? do you know how to build the kernel ?
[3:54] <Lerg> SirLagz: update a driver for easycap device. I've built kernels on ubuntu, but no idea yet how it's done under archlinux
[3:54] <SirLagz> ah righto
[3:57] <SirLagz> i would think building would be the same if not very similar
[3:57] <Lerg> I see this page about abs https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernels/Compilation/Arch_Build_System but how do I tell it I want 3.10 kernel?
[3:58] <SirLagz> that's beyond me. i'm a very basic arch user lol
[3:58] <Lerg> they probably have chatroom here too
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[4:32] <nerdboy> arr...
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[4:34] <Lerg> I will try to compile the kernel on medium overclocking without a heatsink.
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[5:12] <nerdboy> Lerg: do you need to build a new kernel or build a driver against your current kernel source?
[5:12] <Lerg> nerdboy: new kernel with updated driver
[5:13] <Lerg> I've downloaded kernel, updated the source, but can't make makepkg to eat it yet
[5:13] <Lerg> I type makepkg -Ace --skipinteg --asroot "e" is for not extracting source files and use what is there already.
[5:13] <Lerg> When I run it, it says destination path 'linux' already exists and is not an empty directory
[5:13] <Lerg> Inside that dir I have my modified files...
[5:14] <nerdboy> so a manual build is you last resort, i guess...
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[5:14] <nerdboy> &your
[5:16] <nerdboy> can you make a patch and let makepkg do its thing and apply it?
[5:17] <Lerg> yeah, I hope it's not hard. I basically need to replace one dir and add one another.
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[5:17] <nerdboy> i know how i would do it in gentoo/debian/poky, but not arch....
[5:17] <nerdboy> just make a giant diff between pristine and your changes
[5:18] <nerdboy> you may need to adjust the patch level when your apply it, but it should work...
[5:18] <nerdboy> s/your/you/
[5:20] <nerdboy> try something like "diff -ur old-dir new-dir > name.patch"
[5:20] <nerdboy> maybe -Nur
[5:22] <Lerg> and what to do when the directory does not exist?
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[5:25] <nerdboy> -N should handle it... try it and see...
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[5:27] <nerdboy> try it with just "diff -qr ..." to see what files/dirs differ
[5:27] <nerdboy> it should tell you what only exists on either side
[5:30] <Lerg> oh I think I can simply edit PKGBUILD script to replace those dirs
[5:33] <nerdboy> i usually make my own foo-sources ebuild and leverage vanilla/gentoo/hardened
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[5:34] <nerdboy> don't really need any of my older ones, since it's mostly all been pulled upstream
[5:35] <nerdboy> oh yeah, still need the pata led patch on the ibook
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[5:35] <nerdboy> can't think of any others atm...
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[5:49] <Lerg> Edited PKGBUILD script and it's building!
[5:50] <nerdboy> got something to do for 10 hours or so?
[5:51] <Lerg> Eat, sleep, watch youtube.
[5:52] <Lerg> Am I right that I don't need to change anything in kernel configuration by menuconfig?
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[5:52] <nerdboy> depends on what you changed...
[5:53] <nerdboy> if the arch defconfig is what you want, then no...
[5:53] <Lerg> I've updated stk1160 driver under media/usb and added driver usbtv
[5:56] <Lerg> I need a fan or something to cool down it a bit
[5:56] <chz|bacon> evening all
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[6:00] <nerdboy> Lerg: are you sure the config has what you want enabled?
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[6:08] <Lerg> nerdboy: no idea
[6:09] <Lerg> it has asterisks under multimedia and video capture devices
[6:09] <Lerg> so I assume yes
[6:10] <nerdboy> you can also grep the config, but as long as your stuff is enabled...
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[6:15] <Lerg> I've just took the cooler from my web server (atom) and gave it to rpi, connected via usb hub.
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[6:16] <jda2000> How do you take a screen shot on lxde?
[6:19] <Lerg> 45C - nice
[6:20] <Lerg> jda2000: install scrot
[6:20] <Lerg> and use printscreen button
[6:22] <ParkerR> That keybind may or may not be setup
[6:23] <nerdboy> no xfce plugin for that?
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[6:23] <nerdboy> the old fallback is imagemagick
[6:24] <nerdboy> specifically the import command
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[6:26] <Lerg> it's done compiling kernel/* !
[6:27] <funkster> lerg how long did it take?
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[6:27] <nerdboy> try make modules_install and see if it fails...
[6:27] <Lerg> not the whole kernel, just files inside kernel/ dir.
[6:28] <nerdboy> i'll bet it didn't finish (hint: that wasn't *nearly* long enough for a full kernel build)
[6:28] <nerdboy> a few modules maybe
[6:28] <Lerg> it's compiling -^
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[6:46] <jda2000> Lerg, Thanks
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[10:42] <CruX__> hey there. Has anyone been able to run the most recent rpi-3.10.y kernel?
[10:42] <pixel3D> hello
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[10:43] <pixel3D> any risc os users/devs?
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[10:58] <Lerg> CruX__: I am building one
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[11:08] <CruX__> Lerg: okay great. Please tell me if it does boot (getting kernel panic here)
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[12:28] <StyxAlso> Hi. I installed Raspbian using NOOBS and I ran out of space on my root partition. How do I drop the recovery partition and resize my root partition? I have an 8 gig SD card.
[12:29] <zleap> can you run the raspberry pi configuration tool
[12:29] <zleap> http://elinux.org/RPi_raspi-config
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[12:32] <ShorTie> you really don't need NOOBS, just write the image to the card and on first boot it goes into a gui that lets you resize out to full sdcard capacity
[12:33] <StyxAlso> Okay
[12:36] <ShorTie> read thru the gui, it has many options to setup your system properly
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[12:41] <StyxAlso> Great. I'll take the time to do that.
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[12:43] <StyxAlso> Things were going quite well until I tried installing texstudio. That filled the SD card pretty quickly.
[12:44] <StyxAlso> But I have an 8 gig SD card! The root partition should have been larger.
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[12:46] <ShorTie> na, images normally defualt to <2g so they will fit on any thing
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[12:48] <tig|> run df -h to see how big / is then if only 2G run sudo raspi-config and use the "expand root filesystem"
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[13:14] <Vostok> how can i expand the root partition on windows?
[13:14] <Vostok> hmm, i wonder what tool i used last time.
[13:15] <CruX__> I'd download gparted live and let it do the magic (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php)
[13:15] <CruX__> If you really dont want to reboot, you could even do it in a vm
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[13:16] <Vostok> damn, i don't have another usb stick
[13:16] <Vostok> well, maybe i'll just have to resize it with raspi-config
[13:17] <Vostok> i figured i could do it beforehand here at work
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[13:18] <scoopio> hey
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[13:19] <scoopio> does anyone know why my raspberry pi's quake3 can't join quake3 games run on the the original windows version?
[13:20] <scoopio> is it an interoperability issue?
[13:20] <scoopio> I think I was getting a "Server is talking version 43" or something like that
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[13:33] <rihnapstor> hello can I use pidora as a server os on pi ?
[13:33] <hifi> wouldn't recommend it but yes
[13:33] <hifi> as you're explicitly asking about pidora you're experienced in rhel/centos/fedora administration?
[13:34] <rihnapstor> yes hifi mainly the rpm packages.
[13:34] <rihnapstor> hifi: what would be better?
[13:34] <StyxAlso> Wow, Raspberry Pi can run Quake 3?
[13:34] <hifi> fedora isn't well suited for servers because the rapid release and update cycle
[13:34] <hifi> that's only my opinion though
[13:35] <hifi> rihnapstor: I would recommend raspbian with my installer, it follows debian wheezy and is very stable
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[13:35] <rihnapstor> yeah,fedora doesn't have the stability.but centos doesnt have the arm based image.but hifi I think opensuse has it.
[13:35] <hifi> opensuse would not run on pi I'm afraid
[13:36] <hifi> ARM image doesn't mean it's compatible with the specific CPU of the pi
[13:36] <rihnapstor> hifi: opensuse arm image I am talking about ?
[13:36] <rihnapstor> yeah hifi ohh ok
[13:36] <hifi> and even then you'd need a pi specific image or jump some hoops to get it running
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[13:40] <rihnapstor> hifi: can raspbian based repo's support any debian packages ?
[13:40] <hifi> rihnapstor: the raspbian repositories contain most debian wheezy packages rebuilt to the pi cpu with hard float support, you can certainly build any arm compatible debian package for the pi
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[13:41] <vvu> is there a way to find a generic download link to raspberry pi latests OS-es from the download page?
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[13:42] <rihnapstor> ok hifi
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[13:43] <rihnapstor> hifi: will give a thought for debian.
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[13:45] <hifi> rihnapstor: and if you are installing a pi server none of the official images (except maybe Arch) will do you any good, they are full on desktop software
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[13:47] <rihnapstor> hifi: what would you suggest for server os'es ?beacuse I will keep pi running throughout the day.
[13:49] <hifi> rihnapstor: either my raspbian-ua-netinst or SirLagz's raspbian server edition
[13:50] <hifi> first is an automated minimal installer that boots it up with only ssh enabled, latter one is a pre-installed image with server software
[13:51] <Jcktrue> Or you can just install the default distro and not care about the minimal effect the extra unused packages will have :)
[13:54] <rihnapstor> hifi: Jcktrue and what are possible ways of deploying server code?i have thought of using git to keep the code synced in.
[13:54] <hifi> Jcktrue: and keep updating tons of packages you don't nee
[13:54] <hifi> need*
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[13:55] <hifi> that's not really a minimal effect, that also affects the SD card wearing and overall you have less storage
[13:57] <Jcktrue> rihnapstor: What language you plan on writing in? Most languages seem to have their own way of doing things
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[13:59] <Jcktrue> hifi: It's not really a huge effort... Let me check my pi server
[13:59] <rihnapstor> its my undergraduate project on home automation server.python/java code that interfaces well with GPIO's
[14:00] <rihnapstor> hifi:
[14:01] <hifi> Jcktrue: why install all that useless software when you have slim options?
[14:01] <Jcktrue> rihnapstor: My advice would be to use the default distro (You're fairly sure that doesn't change too dramatic in the future)
[14:01] <McBofh> rihnapstor: if you are concerned about having "too much" stuff on your card, you could investigate the JEOS concept - Just Enough OS
[14:01] <McBofh> http://www.google.com/search?q=jeos%20debian appears to have some useful links on the first page
[14:01] <hifi> how a custom image/installer makes any difference? you still use the exact same packages and updates
[14:02] <hifi> McBofh: but there's already raspbian-ua-netinst that does just that
[14:02] <McBofh> it's great that there's more than one option
[14:02] <hifi> you just pointed him to google something that doesn't even necessarily exist
[14:02] <hifi> for the pi
[14:03] <rihnapstor> :)
[14:03] <hifi> why do I even bother, continue
[14:03] <McBofh> perhaps one might think that a student might investigate and apply the principles to what is available for thepi
[14:03] <McBofh> the pi
[14:03] <Jcktrue> Well my biggest issue with using another distro is support
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[14:04] <mgottschlag> my biggest issue is that this seems to be a university project, where getting the code to work is much more important and should be done well before you define the environment
[14:04] <hifi> Jcktrue: RSE (afaik) and raspbian-ua-netinst are not "another distro", they are just custom spins of raspbian that will essentially be the exact same thing even if you installed the actual image and removed 2 gigs of software from it
[14:05] <rihnapstor> I really hope rpm based distro's to e available for this mini computer;s in the future.
[14:05] <Jcktrue> hifi: now that I accept -
[14:05] <hifi> rihnapstor: pidora is available and supported by the pidora devs
[14:05] <hifi> you can very well use that for your project if you get more support for RPM based distributions
[14:06] <Vostok> hifi: wow, that netinst is sweet
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[14:07] <rihnapstor> wandboard channel is idle compared to pi.
[14:07] <McBofh> iirc there were 1.5million rpi sold last year
[14:07] <hifi> it's just because of me and my endless quest to promote raspbian-ua-netinst to everyone who mentions the word "server"
[14:07] <Tachyon`> lol, to think they weren't sure if 10,000 would go
[14:08] <McBofh> one might expect a bit of activity in the irc channel for it
[14:08] <Tachyon`> I failed to get oen initially, despite being awake at the right time
[14:08] <McBofh> Tachyon`: yeah, breaks me up every time I read it
[14:08] <Tachyon`> due to the sites going down
[14:08] <Tachyon`> (and incorrect instructions on the twitter re one of t hem)
[14:09] <McBofh> had a 4 month wait to get mine
[14:09] <McBofh> actually wound up with two because I gave up on RS' queue when I noticed that element14 had hundreds in stock locally
[14:09] <rihnapstor> is there a simulated tool to play with GPIO's of pi ?
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[14:12] <hifi> Vostok: if you do give it a spin and like it and have a forum account, drop there a line of support if you may
[14:13] <Vostok> hifi: let's see. i have one system to install shortly
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[14:19] <flooh> hello, can anyone help me reaching my raspberry pi by the hostname from an os x system. i think the problem is on the raspberry. when i look up in the router (fritzbox 3170) the name given by the fritzbox doesn't fit with the hostname on the raspberry. i can reach the raspberry by IP
[14:20] <flooh> hostname does return the correct hostname. in /etc/dhcp/dhcpclient.conf is the line send host-name = gethostname();
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[14:42] <flooh> no one else experienced such problems with his raspberry?
[14:45] <frogman1984> not me... sorry
[14:45] <pksato> flooh: not all router register hostname on local dns server.
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[14:46] <pksato> or send hostname.
[14:47] <linuxstb> flooh: What is the DNS set to on your OS X machine? What if you type "host [hostname of pi] [IP or hostname of router]" on your OS X machine?
[14:48] <flooh> mhh, for my imac and my laptop (opensuse) it worked fine
[14:49] <flooh> the dns on my os x is set to the ip of the router
[14:49] <pksato> or, name are resolved using other means.
[14:49] <flooh> and the command returns "Host aquapi not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)"
[14:50] <jimvin> flooh: Have you set the IP address of your pi in the DNS server?
[14:50] <jimvin> It's not registered usually automatically so you would need to add it manually to DNS
[14:51] <jimvin> If you are using the DNS server built into your router you may be able to set a static entry
[14:51] <flooh> no, shouldn't that be done by dhcp? the pi gets an correct ip address and i can reach it and connect with ssh via this ip. only the name resolution dont work
[14:51] <jimvin> Else you can add the name and address to /etc/hosts on your OS X machine
[14:52] <jimvin> flooh: DHCP probably won't set up your hostname
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[14:52] <jimvin> Unless you have configured dynamic DNS
[14:53] <jimvin> flooh: Typically DHCP will set the IP address, default gateway and DNS servers on the DHCP client i.e. your pi
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[14:54] <pksato> mac use zeroconf (Bonjour, Avahi) to resolv named and other information.
[14:56] <pksato> I dont remember if raspian have Avahi daemon default instaled.
[14:56] <flooh> mh that means i have to add bonjour/avahi to the pi?
[14:57] <flooh> ok thank you for that hint, i will try
[14:57] <mac-> pksato: ?
[14:58] <flooh> mac-: lol, he didn't mean you. he just mentioned something over my os x system
[14:58] <mac-> oh, I see now
[14:58] <mac-> :d
[14:58] <flooh> :3
[14:58] <pksato> mac-: not you. :) mac OS. sorry.
[14:58] <mac-> heh
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[15:06] <IT_Sean> Morning
[15:06] <pronto> moin
[15:08] <flooh> pksato: ok, that worked. i installed libnss-mdns which contains everything necessary for bonjour / avahi. now i can reach the pi by hostname.local. any idee how i can omit that .local?
[15:08] <flooh> but thank you for the hint so far
[15:09] <pksato> no, try /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf
[15:09] <pksato> or other .conf
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[15:20] <flooh> ok solved this by adding local to the default seach-domains in Systempreferecnes/Network/Ethernet(connection in use)/Further Options/DNS. now i can reach it just by the hostname
[15:21] <MrVector> Hello guys, I'm doing som bare metal in C, got this strange issue with multidimensional arrays that I can't seem to figure out, could someone take a peak please? http://pastebin.com/jgeCZM59
[15:21] <davor> hi
[15:21] <MrVector> Noticed now that I neglected to include my initialization of the array, basically 2 for loops that fills it with ' '.
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[15:23] <Mihaylov> Hello
[15:23] <pronto> hello
[15:24] <Mihaylov> Can the rpi be powered from the usb port? not the power port
[15:24] <Tachyon`> yes
[15:26] <Mihaylov> And if you have a powered hub but also you have conected the power on your rpi, is there any issue of stability?
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[15:42] <pksato> Mihaylov: one psu to hub, and other to rpi? is ok, and is a usual connection.
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[16:03] <Mihaylov> pksato yes
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[16:03] <Mihaylov> but my system becomes unstabe
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[16:12] <pksato> Mihaylov: that is power rating of RPi psu, and of hub?
[16:13] <Mihaylov> RPi psu 1A and the hub i believe it was 2A
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[16:17] <pksato> 1A can be lower.
[16:18] <Mihaylov> Its 1A
[16:18] <pksato> 1A on label?
[16:20] <Mihaylov> on amperimeter
[16:20] <pksato> Test powerring from on of hub port (using only on PSU).
[16:21] <pksato> one of hub port
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[16:44] <TheSeven> MrVector: still need help?
[16:44] <TheSeven> the problem is quite obvious
[16:44] <TheSeven> you've mixed up the rows/cols
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[16:45] <TheSeven> you've declared it as [192][77], but are accessing it in that loop as [77][192]
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[16:50] <funkster> does anyone know the specs of an led that i can control off gpio with resistor?
[16:50] <funkster> volt/amps etc
[16:51] <TheSeven> basically any one?
[16:51] <TheSeven> the ideal resistor value depends on the led type, but 100 or 220 ohms should be a somewhat safe guess for most LED types
[16:52] <funkster> well there very ranging led from volts/amps on mouser.
[16:52] <funkster> i need a panel mount led
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[16:53] <MrVector> My brain is fried today :-( Just can't think
[16:54] <pksato> funkster: need to read datasheet of the led.
[16:54] <MrVector> I still have "an" issue, kinda related, TheSeven, thanks for looking at it though, I suspected I was doing something stupid
[16:54] <pksato> but, most leds have a basic same parameter, depending of color.
[16:54] <funkster> pksato: .... im asking what i should read on the datasheet of the led, that will work
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[16:55] <MrVector> Just one of those days where my brain goes "0.... 1.... 2.... 3.... ERROR!! "Ok lets try again" 0....1.....2.....ERROR!" Heh...
[16:55] <funkster> forward voltage and forward current have very large differenced in leds on mouser/digikey
[16:55] <pksato> max. current and direct voltage drop.
[16:55] <TheSeven> forward current should ideally be around 10-20mA
[16:56] <TheSeven> forward voltage highly depends on the color... ideally less than 2.5V
[16:56] <funkster> TheSeven: why didnt you tell me this to begin with and not "any led?" lol
[16:57] <TheSeven> because basically any simple regular LED will match these criteria
[16:57] <pksato> for commom leds used on signaling, current 10mA or less, drop voltage 1.5V for red, 2 for green and 3v for blue.
[16:58] <rigid> funkster: why didn't you know it already?
[16:58] <funkster> rigid: what?
[16:58] <rigid> funkster: that any led will do
[16:59] <funkster> rigid: we just discussed that any led WONT do.
[16:59] <funkster> ......
[17:00] <pksato> and use ohms law to determint resistor value R=(3.3-drop)/0.008
[17:00] <funkster> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/VCC/CNX-482-1-GTP-24/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsUguuR3b6UZg3elFFkVuENMURSXiBUUlk%3d
[17:00] <funkster> voltage slightly too high at 20?
[17:01] <funkster> sorry. i mean current.
[17:01] <pksato> 20mA (error on page)
[17:02] <rigid> funkster: you didn't read right... you won't easily find an LED that doesn't work.
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[17:03] <rigid> modern LEDs even work down to a few mA
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[17:03] <funkster> funkster: ok
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[17:03] <TheSeven> lil
[17:04] <rigid> funkster: but I ineed confused your answer to TheSeven, so forget what I said at first ;)
[17:04] <rigid> *indeed
[17:04] <funkster> you are wrong. but there no point it telling you this. you seem argumentative for the hell of it.
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[17:05] <pksato> 20mA is a maximum recomende current.
[17:05] <funkster> pksato: thank you. and voltage i will stay around 2V. appreciate for giving me specifics on which LED will work well.
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[17:06] <rigid> pksato: can you really safely draw 20mA from a GPIO? (i.e. every GPIO at once)
[17:06] <pksato> for red 1.5 or 1.8V greed 1.8 to 2.4V, blue 3V to 3.4.
[17:06] <rigid> i dunno the specs by heart...
[17:07] <pksato> no. max. is limited to 16mA.
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[17:08] <pksato> for pratical use, resistor for 220Ohms work for any red or green led.
[17:08] <rigid> funkster: i'd love it if you'd find a LED you couldn't connect to the GPIO (and lit up) or explain why it isn't possible...
[17:08] <ShiftPlusOne> rigid, http://www.scribd.com/doc/101830961/GPIO-Pads-Control2
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[17:08] <rigid> ShiftPlusOne: oh great, thanks
[17:08] <Mihaylov> Red standart (1,7v 50mA) Red Low Current (1,7V 2mA) red bright (2v 10mA)
[17:09] <pksato> some blue led dont lit on gpio pins of raspberry pi.
[17:09] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[17:09] <Mihaylov> Blue high intensyty (4,5v 20mA)
[17:09] <rigid> pksato: the one with Vff=60V? :)
[17:10] <rigid> oh right
[17:10] <rigid> Mihaylov: i forgot GPIO levels are 3.3V not 5V, right?
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[17:10] <pksato> lunch time...
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[17:11] <Mihaylov> Yes :D
[17:12] <Mihaylov> Blue green (3,2V 20mA) should
[17:12] <rigid> hehe, that explains it
[17:13] <rigid> well, still it's not "impossible" to connect the LED to the GPIO
[17:13] <Mihaylov> Super blue (3,6V 20mA) White cool (3,6v 20mA)
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[17:13] <rigid> ...you'd just need a transistor
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[17:13] <rigid> no one said "directly" ;)
[17:13] <Mihaylov> Of course, nothing is imposible
[17:13] <TheSeven> ...and even those LEDs are likely to light up at least a little bit if connected to 3.3V
[17:13] <Mihaylov> thats true
[17:13] <rigid> TheSeven: yep, if they're not ancient
[17:14] <rigid> but of course you don't want that in production design
[17:14] <Mihaylov> But they are the ones rated as super bright
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[17:14] <Mihaylov> and a bit more pricey
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[17:14] <Mihaylov> so why you would put them if not using them at full potential
[17:15] <rigid> mostly to save power i guess
[17:15] <Mihaylov> save power?
[17:15] <Mihaylov> Red Low Current (1,7V 2mA)
[17:15] <TheSeven> as if that would matter if you have that videocore thing suck up 200+ mA
[17:15] <rigid> Mihaylov: yes, a super bright LED lights as bright as a cheap LED but uses much less current
[17:16] <Mihaylov> Didnt know that
[17:16] <rigid> TheSeven: the video core can't be put asleep? :-O
[17:16] <Mihaylov> i just have standart leds
[17:16] <IT_Sean> rigid: No.
[17:16] <TheSeven> rigid: not easily at least... the Pi's processor is kind of a big GPU with a little ARM coprocessor on which the linux system runs
[17:16] <rigid> i didn't measure but normally those kinda systems are quite well power optimized...
[17:17] <TheSeven> I'm a bit annoyed that you can't even seem to completely shut off HDMI video output to save power
[17:17] <rigid> and it even sucks full power when the driver isn't even loaded?
[17:17] <TheSeven> not sure if full power, but a significant amount of power at least
[17:17] <chithead> the videocore is the first thing which starts on the pi, even before the arm cpu
[17:18] <rigid> i couldn't believe there's no way... probably just not implemented in linux by broadcom?
[17:18] <rigid> TheSeven: well, it still matters if you have something like 200 LEDs ;)
[17:18] <chithead> every peripheral that the arm core accesses is done through the videocore
[17:18] <SirLagz> what's a good packet / network sniffing program for the command line (excluding tcpdump) ?
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[17:19] <rigid> chithead: the DMA is routed through the video core?
[17:19] <rigid> hm
[17:19] <chithead> all memory access is
[17:19] <rigid> i have to study the block diagram
[17:19] <TheSeven> I think that depends on what you define as the "videocore"
[17:19] <TheSeven> there will be some kind of AHB arbiter between the actual GPU part of it and the ARM
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[17:27] <nmpro> good morning everyone
[17:27] <jimvin> 'ning
[17:27] <Mihaylov> wow
[17:28] <Mihaylov> Here is 17:27
[17:28] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, the magic of timezones
[17:28] <nmpro> lol.. here it's 9:28 am
[17:28] <SirLagz> 23:30 here. bed time ! g'night all
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[17:29] <nmpro> gnight SirLagz!
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[17:31] <Mihaylov> I cant wait untill my nokia 5110 display comes
[17:32] <Mihaylov> do you think it can be used as a terminal?
[17:32] <Mihaylov> maybe the size is a limitation
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[18:05] <arcanescu> can anyone recommend a good PLL for use with the pi
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[18:07] <SpeedEvil> That's a kind of misguided question.
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> In what context?
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[18:13] <arcanescu> well im trying to make a transverter using the pi
[18:13] <arcanescu> so im looking for a pll ... thats known tested and works.... probably a library of some form
[18:13] <IT_Sean> a transverter?
[18:13] <arcanescu> in C or whatever
[18:13] <arcanescu> yea a transverter
[18:13] <IT_Sean> this is beginning to sound like a 50s sci fi movie
[18:13] <tig|> has anyone seen a command line twitter app that can upload images? I have been doing a load of digging but I can't find one that still works
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[18:14] <arcanescu> IT_Sean : :) nvm
[18:15] <IT_Sean> o_o
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[18:18] <johnc-> phase-locked loop?
[18:19] <arcanescu> yes johnc-
[18:20] <johnc-> I'll stick to trilateration, at least I understand that
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[18:21] <SpeedEvil> arcanescu: you need to start making sense.
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[18:21] <SpeedEvil> arcanescu: What do you want the PLL for. What to lock to what. At what frequency range. Hardware or software. ...
[18:21] <johnc-> I'm doing trilateration using 3 or more wifi hotspots to determine location of hardware :)
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[18:33] <zleap> hi all
[18:34] <pronto> hi one
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[18:54] <nmpro> sup zleap
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[19:15] <doc-saintly> How long should an RSA key be to be secure?
[19:15] <pronto> about tree fiddy
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[19:15] <doc-saintly> I ain't givin' you no damn tree fiddy!
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[19:15] <pronto> :(
[19:15] <doc-saintly> Oh, now it's just two fiddy. What, is there a sale on Loch Ness munchies?
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[19:21] <doc-saintly> So no advice? :( I'm wondering if 1024 is strong enoguh, it takes RPi forever to generate a 4096 key, so I wonder if that is a sign of how slow the SSH connection will be with that key
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[19:25] <necreo> at least 2048
[19:25] <necreo> 1024 is not safe in the future
[19:26] <pronto> because anything running on an RPI needs to be super secure
[19:26] <pronto> keeping improtant stuffs ont hat
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[19:26] <necreo> what a *** attitude is that
[19:26] <doc-saintly> :P I'm using it as something that will be passing important traffic through, so yea
[19:27] <doc-saintly> necreo: will key length affect performance?
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[19:27] <necreo> I reckon so yea
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[19:28] <doc-saintly> in a big way?
[19:28] <necreo> not I don't think so :)
[19:28] <necreo> anyways http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/09/10/minimum-rsa-public-key-lengths-guidelines-or-rules.html
[19:28] <necreo> so I would just go for 2048
[19:29] <doc-saintly> necreo: I see, thanks
[19:30] <necreo> you're very welcome
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[19:45] <TheSeven> doc-saintly: it has an influence on the time needed to establish a connection, but not on the traffic flowing through that connection afterwards
[19:45] <TheSeven> the RSA key is just used during handshake to negotiate a fast symmetric encryption key that is used for application data
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[19:56] <TLoFP1> is there a tutorial out there on how to hook up a microphone to the raspberry pi and stream that to another computer?
[19:57] <IT_Sean> you will need something to plug the mic into. A USB audio capture device.
[19:57] <TLoFP1> I want to stay away form USB
[19:57] <IT_Sean> As the raspi lacks an audiop gazinta.
[19:57] <IT_Sean> *audio
[19:57] <TLoFP1> 1. only one usb jack available. 2. I need all the USB bandwith I can get
[19:58] <TLoFP1> so I want to do something over GPIO
[19:58] <IT_Sean> that is not going to be as simple as just wiring up a mic.
[19:59] <IT_Sean> Not even sure how you would begin to do that, actually. It's going to take a decently sized wad of electronica, i'd imagine.
[19:59] <TLoFP1> well a simple adc + mic should do it right?
[19:59] <IT_Sean> I honestly do not know.
[19:59] <TLoFP1> you are more a software guy?
[20:00] <linuxstb> Doesn't the Pi have an SPI bus accessible? You could attach an ADC to that I suspect.
[20:00] <TLoFP1> yes it does have SPI
[20:00] <TLoFP1> I think i might just attach one of my ADC and see if I can make that happen
[20:01] <ShorTie> adc'c work great on the rPi spi bus
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[20:01] <TLoFP1> yea
[20:01] <TLoFP1> the RPi can run the SPI bus freakishly fast :)
[20:01] <TLoFP1> another question, I have a command that looks roughly like this
[20:01] <TLoFP1> netcat | mplayer
[20:02] <TLoFP1> I understand this as "piping" the netcat output into mplayer
[20:02] <TLoFP1> my question is how can I simultaneously pipe into mplayer AND into a file?
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[20:03] <linuxstb> "man tee"
[20:03] <TLoFP1> thanks
[20:08] <jlf> hi all, i'm interested in using my pi to share usb HDDs over the network for a cheap nas device. is usbip the way to go or is there some other approach that people would recommend?
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[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> That sounds like a really obscure approach. Why not create a samba or NFS share?
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Btw, if you use the pi as a cheap nas device, you get what you pay for.
[20:10] <linuxstb> jlf: Buy a NAS… It will work, but not particularly quickly.
[20:12] <jlf> i don't care about speed as this is just for nightly backups, not real-time access. the reason i'd like to do it at the usb layer instead of nfs is that i'd also like to share other kinds of devices, e.g. http://www.altera.com/b/bemicro-sdk.html
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[20:19] <zleap> hello
[20:19] <zleap> nmpro, just saying hello, i was afk
[20:20] <zleap> biab
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[20:23] <zleap> back
[20:23] <pronto> welcomeback
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[20:25] <Kane> bonsoir o/
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[20:26] <zleap> thanks
[20:26] <zleap> is anyone using the adafruit web ide
[20:26] <nmpro> ahhh ... np zleap.. :-)
[20:26] <zleap> k]
[20:27] <zleap> chat later
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[20:39] <jlf> i take it nobody knows of a better approach than usbip then
[20:40] <type11error> i assume you don't want to run nfs/samba/etc?
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[20:41] <type11error> nm just read your other comment. theres iscsi as well
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[20:45] <jlf> type11error: thanks, but iscsi looks to be storage only. i'm looking for tunneling connections to arbitrary usb devices.
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[20:47] <type11error> jlf: ah sorry thought you were trying to setup a nas
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[20:49] <jlf> type11error: my bad, my initial question was too narrowly scoped
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[21:13] <nmpro> tgif! :-)
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[21:21] <foo303> Hi all. I've got this adaptor for use with the raspberry pi http://www.dlink.com/uk/en/home-solutions/connect/adapters/dwa-131-wireless-n-nano-usb-adapter
[21:21] <foo303> but it only works when I tether from my phone and keep the phone close. Other APs in the area are seen but connecting seems to timeout.
[21:22] <foo303> Is there a solution to this? Could it be a power issue with the rpi powering the adaptor?
[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> checked the voltage between TP1 and TP2 using a multimeter?
[21:22] <sney> it could be a power issue, yes. usb devices that need power should be powered separately from the rpi
[21:23] <foo303> How can I power it separetely?
[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> using a powered hub
[21:24] <foo303> Okay, I'll check localy if I can find a good one, but recommendations are always good. Thanks a lot for helping.
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> the elinux wiki has a lot of pages for verified peripherals
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[21:27] <foo303> sweet :) that's a big collection.
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[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, elinux is great (except for when it's not)
[21:28] <Vostok> i have a script that reports the local ip of raspi onto an external web server. the idea is that i'd be able to plug the raspi in a network and then check the website for an IP i need to connect to
[21:28] <Vostok> where should i put the script and how should i trigger it?
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[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, that's kind of up to you O_o
[21:29] <pksato> Vostok: on raspbian /etc/network/ip-up.d/
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, good one.
[21:29] <Vostok> pksato: when does that run?
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Or you could have it phone in every x minutes using crontab
[21:29] <Vostok> and do i just place the script there with +x rights?
[21:29] <pksato> when interface up
[21:30] <Vostok> ShiftPlusOne: that's the obvious choice, but i was looking for something elegant for once. ;)
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[21:30] <Vostok> (in contrast to all my other stuff)
[21:30] <pksato> but, dhcp can change ip...
[21:30] <Vostok> can i somehow detect ip change and trigger on it
[21:30] <pksato> why dont use no-ip or other dymamic dns service?
[21:31] <hifi> I'm quite sure some script is called when dhcp gets a new ip
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[21:32] <pksato> depend of dhcp client.
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[21:41] <clynamen> Can I connect the raspberry to a 5v 2Ampere power adapter?
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> In fact, you should.
[21:42] <clynamen> thanks
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ...do it
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[22:09] <ShiftPlusOne> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXdjxPY2j_0 heh, the spacex grasshopper just doesn't look real from far away
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[22:40] <syntax_erorr> Can anyone point me in the right direction for what I want to do? I'm want to put a pi in my car. I want to build a power supply that will turn on with the ignition. Wait for the pi to boot fully, then when the ignition is turned off tell the pi to shutdown. After the pi has shutdown the power supply needs to pull power from the pi.
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[22:41] <sney> pull power from the pi? it's not like it has a VRM with capacitors
[22:41] <ShiftPlusOne> sney, as in turn off the power to the pi.
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[22:41] <sney> ah, ok
[22:41] <sney> I was too literal.
[22:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I had to read it a few times.
[22:41] <syntax_erorr> yeah sorry about that
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> syntax_erorr, how much effort are you willing to put in?
[22:42] <syntax_erorr> lots, I want to do this right
[22:42] <sney> for the power part it'd probably be simplest to dissect a cigarette lighter style phone charger and rig it up behind the glove box or center console, depending on the car and where the lines are
[22:42] <syntax_erorr> I'm not strong with the electronics side of things
[22:43] <syntax_erorr> I'm more of a computer geek than a circuit geek, so I'm not sure where to start
[22:43] <sney> there should be forum howtos on making sure it's being powered by the battery, rather than the alternator.
[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I am trying to figure out how to cut the power once the pi has shut down.
[22:43] <sney> yeah, that's the tricky part since it doesn't support acpi shutdown
[22:44] <IT_Sean> Somone made a little board that does that, i thought.
[22:44] <syntax_erorr> IT_Sean, there is a kick starter for one
[22:44] <IT_Sean> Sends the shutdown command, then waits for it to shutdown, then powers off.
[22:44] <IT_Sean> Ahh, that's what i'm thinking of.
[22:44] <syntax_erorr> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1312527055/raspberry-pi-car-power-supply-ignition-switch
[22:44] <ShiftPlusOne> But then that board would waste a bit of power when the pi is off, wouldn't it?
[22:45] <sney> I imagine it'd be negligible
[22:46] <sney> power usage when the pi is _on_ is practically nil
[22:46] <IT_Sean> ^ that.
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[22:47] <ShiftPlusOne> syntax_erorr, will the pi have a dedicated use or do you want to have a full general purpose OS?
[22:47] <syntax_erorr> dedicated use. basically a dash cam.
[22:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Then I would run from RAM
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[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> and just have the power wired straight to a point that turns on when ignition is on.
[22:48] <syntax_erorr> Thing is it needs to shutdown cleanly.
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, you'd want to record to disk... oops >.>
[22:48] <syntax_erorr> ShiftPlusOne, Yes.
[22:49] <sney> well, strictly speaking, all you need is sync
[22:49] <sney> it's not like it needs to park disks
[22:49] <syntax_erorr> so maybe sync / unmount then cut power?
[22:50] <sney> yeah that would do it
[22:51] <SpeedEvil> wait av few seconds.
[22:51] <ShiftPlusOne> If I were doing this, I'd record to ramdisk then have a button to save the last x minutes to disk for when Fun Stuff happens (however much would fit... depending on quality). But that's probably not what you're after.
[22:51] <SpeedEvil> you can't tell when the SD is doing internal stuff
[22:51] <syntax_erorr> The recorded video files will be on the same SD card as the OS root.
[22:51] <syntax_erorr> Right that is waht I was thinking
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[22:52] <syntax_erorr> I would rather shut the pi down cleanly after the ignition has been turned off.
[22:53] <syntax_erorr> I'm not just sure what IC would be used for this
[22:53] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, so you can probably get away with an attiny or something like that.
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[22:55] <willybilly0101> is owncloud heavy on a pi?
[22:55] <sney> syntax_erorr: fwiw, I've had several SD cards fail on me since I got my pi, I'd recommend storing the videos somewhere else. Maybe a usb drive so you can remove it
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> syntax_erorr: 555 plus a relay
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> ##electronics
[22:55] <willybilly0101> I run archlinux, already transmission server + TOR relay
[22:56] <ShiftPlusOne> willybilly0101, I would say yes. A few others say no. I couldn't get it to a usable state, but I didn't try too hard.
[22:56] <willybilly0101> what do you mean usable?
[22:56] <willybilly0101> you were not able to finish configuring it?
[22:56] <willybilly0101> :)
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> willybilly0101, I configured it just fine, it was just very slow. PHP requests kept timing out so I had to change those settings and then wait longer than I would like for each page to load. Maybe some php accelerator may help.
[22:58] <willybilly0101> ah
[22:58] <willybilly0101> I understand
[22:58] <willybilly0101> ok
[22:58] <willybilly0101> I will stay on openshift for now :)
[22:58] <willybilly0101> just afraid keeping my data in a cloud
[22:59] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, how would a 555 help shut the pi down and then cut the power?
[23:00] <ShiftPlusOne> willybilly0101, that's just my experience. nid0 says it's fine.
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[23:00] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: monostable to delay power off for 30s.
[23:01] <willybilly0101> dunno, I already have it closed to max
[23:01] <syntax_erorr> 555 timer shoudl be enough you think huh?
[23:01] <willybilly0101> tor is eating a log
[23:01] <willybilly0101> same for transmission
[23:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, so the pi will detect the ignition being off and start to shut down, then the 555 will cut the power, ey?
[23:01] <nid0> yer with minimal apache+php+sql config getting owncloud to a usable state isnt too much bother
[23:01] <nid0> especially using apache 2.4 + php 5.4
[23:02] <syntax_erorr> Thanks ShiftPlusOne and SpeedEvil I'm gonna look up some 555 monostable circuits and see if I can make them work.
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[23:02] <ShiftPlusOne> That seems like the most minimal solution.
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[23:03] <ShiftPlusOne> syntax_erorr, good luck... the 555 is an interesting chip to play around with.
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[23:04] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: yes
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[23:05] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: Also - google 555 ingition delay courtesy light
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[23:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Nice... I always forget how handy some of these chips are and jump straight to a microcontroller.
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[23:21] <nmpro> messy soldering job .. lol.. ---> http://tinyurl.com/l4coc4r
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> I've seen worse
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[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> applying so much solder because it's not flowing to the trace or because you have thick solder and it's hard to control how much you're using?
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[23:23] <nmpro> I think both reasons are valid here.. lol
[23:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe try a different tip (like a larger chisel type) and thinner solder.
[23:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I am just saying because I did the same thing recently and ended up with a short and then things exploded https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/ldo.jpg
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[23:29] <nmpro> damn..
[23:29] <nmpro> lol
[23:30] <nmpro> do they make transparent breadboards?
[23:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I am pretty sure I've seen them yes.
[23:31] <ShiftPlusOne> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9567 for example
[23:32] <nmpro> cool
[23:32] <nmpro> thanks
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[23:41] <steve_rox> on minecraft at moment on someones rpi server
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[23:41] <steve_rox> strangely its working okays
[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> how many people? vanilla/bukkit or a c port server?
[23:42] <steve_rox> erm not sure
[23:42] <steve_rox> im on it at moment with my friend
[23:43] <steve_rox> think the isp may be letting it down tho
[23:43] <steve_rox> "talktalk" isp within the uk was branded worst
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Fair enough. I suspect that if it's vanilla and you run in separate direction trying to load/generate a lot of chunks you'll bring it down.
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[23:45] <steve_rox> maybe ill give it a go if ii understand the instructions
[23:45] <steve_rox> and have the space
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