#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-08-29

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[0:32] <Rice14> I
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[0:33] <Rice14> I've got somewhat of a noob question, figuratively and literally. I'm running NOOBS OS, and I've lost my keyboard for my pi. Is there a way of accessing the OS's recovery screen without holding shift, via a command or something?
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[0:34] <Auzze> are we allowed to post image links??
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[0:35] <ShorTie> ya
[0:35] <patagonicus> Rice14: I've never used NOOBS, but even if you could access the recovery screen, what would you do with it without a keyboard?
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[0:36] <Rice14> Ah...I hadn't thought that through. I suppose VNC won't keep running at the recovery screen...
[0:37] <patagonicus> Probably not. What do you want to do with the recovery? Maybe it's possible with a second PC and an SD card reader.
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[0:37] <Rice14> I just want to re-install raspbian
[0:38] <patagonicus> You could just reinstall it without NOOBS. Shouldn't be too hard, even on Windows.
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[0:38] <Rice14> But if i do that, don't i need to use a keyboard to reset the password?
[0:38] <ShorTie> scrub noobs and just re-image your card
[0:38] <patagonicus> I'm pretty sure it comes with a default of "raspberry"
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[0:38] <patagonicus> You'd need an SSH client, though, as I don't think VNC is started by default.
[0:39] <Rice14> Yeah I've got puTTy
[0:39] <Rice14> I'll get on that, thanks!
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[0:41] <Firehopper> I got my scope! woo :) superfast shipping!
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[0:43] <alesan> hiiiiii
[0:43] <alesan> I am really disappointed by raspberry pi - I never noticed this issue before now
[0:43] <alesan> it does not come with MOUNTING HOLES :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
[0:43] <alesan> sigh
[0:44] <alesan> how can I do now? all is ready I just have to mount it... but how???
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[0:44] <patagonicus> mounting holes? For mounting it on a wall or something? Most hulls come with it.
[0:44] <chithead> current revision comes with mounting holes
[0:45] <chithead> for older revisions, some people have misused the audio jack and composite tv-out for holding it in place
[0:46] <Firehopper> or get a case and use the case to hold it in place
[0:46] <ShorTie> cool
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[0:55] <Twist-> alesan: get a case, or fab some little mounting blocks with slots for the edge of the board.
[0:55] <alesan> I don't need a case, it will go inside the case I am building with other gear
[0:56] <alesan> so you are saying a recent revision of the board has mounting holes?
[0:56] <alesan> I need to buy new anyway
[0:56] <alesan> I can return this Raspberry Pi to the guy I have borrowed it from
[0:56] <alesan> is there a picture of the new version???
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[0:57] <Twist-> alesan: google images is your friend
[0:59] <Auzze> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:141953
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[1:01] <alesan> Twist-, are there no official images and drawings for me to drill the holes?
[1:01] <alesan> Auzze, is that yours? :)
[1:03] <Auzze> alesan yes
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[1:27] <AlchemyFalcon> hey all, what is the best way to communicate between my raspberry pi and my macbook via my wifi? Right now I'm trying out running a web server on the laptop and trying to find a way to connect the pi to it. My larger goal is to interact with the pi in one room, and have it change what spotify is playing from the laptop...
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[1:32] <AlchemyFalcon> or I could ssh from the pi to the macbook, anybody have any experience with that?
[1:33] <Twist-> AlchemyFalcon: are you asking about how to get a Pi on a wireless network, or is this purely a software question?
[1:34] <AlchemyFalcon> Twist-: Probably both to be honest, it's really a "what's the right starting point?" question.
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[1:35] <Twist-> AlchemyFalcon: On the hardware side, you need a USB WiFi adapter like http://www.adafruit.com/products/814
[1:35] <AlchemyFalcon> Twist-: I've got one of those
[1:35] <AlchemyFalcon> Is ssh'ing from Pi to the Mac a viable solution?
[1:36] <Twist-> Possibly. I'd say the first question is "can spotify be remotely controlled? If so, how?"
[1:36] <Twist-> google saves the day with http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12337685/remote-control-api-for-spotify
[1:37] <AlchemyFalcon> Twist-: If I can run commands or interact with the mac in any way, then I'm set.
[1:37] <AlchemyFalcon> I've already got the spotify-mac control part working 9 different ways
[1:37] <Twist-> If console will do you, SSH is fine. Alternatively you could set up a web service under apache on the mac.
[1:39] <AlchemyFalcon> Twist-: I have a server running on the mac, I was trying to go that route, but I think I'm running into problems because of firewall settings, but that's a networking question more that anything. Anyways, is the Pi capable of running scripts and commands based on physical buttons being pressed? I plan on wiring arcade buttons to control it..
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[1:40] <Twist-> AlchemyFalcon: sure. One route is using the GPIO pins to attach electronics directly to the Pi. Another is using serial communications between the Pi and a microcontroller like the Arduino
[1:41] <Twist-> AlchemyFalcon: http://learn.adafruit.com/category/learn-raspberry-pi
[1:41] <Twist-> AlchemyFalcon: You may find some useful examples there
[1:41] <AlchemyFalcon> whooooooaaaaaaa
[1:41] <AlchemyFalcon> :0 :)
[1:44] * Twist- waves
[1:44] <Twist-> see you in a couple weeks. :D
[1:44] <AlchemyFalcon> haha thanks!
[1:45] <Twist-> http://www.adafruit.com/category/105 if you need a link to the store
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[6:08] <uw> Looking to download dev-src of a package using apt-get. However it doesn't look like "deb-src" is available. here is the url in the sources.list http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/wheezy/InRelease
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[6:13] <uw> anyone know how i can get the deb-src of an experimental package?
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[7:11] <mumixam> download the source from the authors www?
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[7:25] <hifi> uw: you just need to add the deb-src line to your sources.list and then use apt-get to download the sources
[7:25] <hifi> just make a copy of the deb line and change that to deb-src
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[7:37] <Kaikz> Anyone have any idea how to fix my issue? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=54158
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[8:19] <Auzze> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34227679/2013-08-29%2016.18.02.jpg
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[8:31] <b0bbi10> hi
[8:31] <b0bbi10> does the latest wheezy image only contain one partition?
[8:33] <b0bbi10> I followed these instructions here http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup (linux command line) but the last time I did that there were two partitions,
[8:33] <b0bbi10> now there is just one partition
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[8:38] <ShiftPlusOne> b0bbi10, there should always be at least two. Did you write an image or did you use NOOBS?
[8:39] <ShiftPlusOne> NOOBS only requires one partition, as it creates the other when it installs an OS.
[8:39] <b0bbi10> ShiftPlusOne: I wrote an image (debian wheezy)
[8:40] <b0bbi10> I am too wondering why there is just one partition
[8:40] <b0bbi10> I did exactly the same as the last time
[8:40] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the image filename?
[8:40] <Auzze> Whats the best and easiest OS to use for a cluster setup
[8:41] <ShiftPlusOne> b0bbi10, if you're running linus, what's the output of "file imageyouwrote.img"?
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> *linux
[8:43] <b0bbi10> ShiftPlusOne: http://pastebin.com/zx0TBHmD
[8:44] <b0bbi10> image filename 2013-07-26-wheezy-raspbian.img
[8:44] <ShiftPlusOne> run "file 2013-07-26-wheezy-raspbian.img"
[8:44] <ShiftPlusOne> it should tell you that there are two partition
[8:45] <b0bbi10> ShiftPlusOne: http://pastebin.com/Gbe1g2Mg
[8:45] <b0bbi10> yeah
[8:45] <b0bbi10> but one the sd card, there is only one partition...
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[8:46] <ShiftPlusOne> which can only mean that either something went wrong, or you made a mistake.
[8:46] <ShiftPlusOne> because as you can see, the image has two partitions
[8:47] <b0bbi10> I exactly followed the instructions from the beginners guide
[8:47] <ShiftPlusOne> does the card boot into anything useful?
[8:47] <ShiftPlusOne> wait, did you remove the card and insert it back?
[8:48] <ShiftPlusOne> because linux will not automatically re-read the partition table after a dd write
[8:48] <b0bbi10> I haven't tried it (not at home right now, had to format my SD card here at work with my Laptop since I don't have a card reader at home)...
[8:48] <b0bbi10> just asking because I am wondering there's only one partition
[8:48] <b0bbi10> as I said, the last time there were two partitions
[8:49] <b0bbi10> ah
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[8:49] <b0bbi10> that might be the problem
[8:49] <b0bbi10> let me check
[8:49] <ShiftPlusOne> physically remove it and re-insert
[8:49] <b0bbi10> here we go :)
[8:49] <b0bbi10> now there are two partitions
[8:49] <b0bbi10> ok
[8:50] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry, I should've realised that was the problem earlier.
[8:50] <b0bbi10> no worries, thanks for the help :)
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[8:50] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[8:51] <b0bbi10> do you know why linux just reads one partition?
[8:51] <yogeshp> http://ix.io/7F6 I am facing issue installing raspbmc
[8:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Because that's what was there when you inserted the card
[8:51] <yogeshp> I am on archlinux
[8:51] <b0bbi10> I mean, it appears that Linux reads the partition table (otherwise it wouldn't detect that partition)
[8:51] <b0bbi10> ah right
[8:51] <b0bbi10> ok
[8:51] <b0bbi10> I see
[8:52] <ShiftPlusOne> You can use the 'partprobe' command to re-read if you need to do it without removing anything
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[8:52] <ShiftPlusOne> yogeshp, try #raspbmc
[8:53] <yogeshp> ShiftPlusOne: thanks
[8:53] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[10:00] <gregtom6> hy all
[10:00] <gregtom6> how can I use rxd txd if I would like to connect bluetooth module and xbee with rpi?
[10:02] <ShiftPlusOne> does the xbee use 3.3v logic?
[10:03] <j4jackj> ..?
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> ....??
[10:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Well... according to wikipedia it does. gregtom6 what's the problem you're having? You connect ground to ground, rxd to txd and txd to rxd, disable the serial console and then send commands through the serial interface.
[10:05] <gregtom6> I would like to connect other serial devices too
[10:05] <gregtom6> I mean I would like to connect bluetooth module and xbee at the same time
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[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> then use a usb bluetooth module, since there is only one uart port available.
[10:08] <hifi> in theory, couldn't you use GPIO pins to do serial?
[10:08] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, definitely
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> going software serial on the Pi is not going to be reliable at all.
[10:09] <ShiftPlusOne> even at low baud rates?
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> there is too much jitter.
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> you might get away with 300 baud....
[10:09] <hifi> it's enough to send simple commands
[10:09] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> but an xbee module that runs at 3.3v should just plug into the on-board uart.
[10:10] <ShiftPlusOne> can always use a usb serial adapter if you really need an extra uart port, but then you may as well use a usb bluetooth dongle instead.
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> I've used the ciseco urf modules which plug into USB.
[10:10] <hifi> but most definitely just getting cheap usb devices is the easier way to go
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> they then look like a serial interface over usb - talk to other urf or xfr modules.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> the xrf are sort of xbee-like in size and appearance.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> and british... :)
[10:12] <gregtom6> so what should I get?
[10:15] <gregtom6> because you have spoken about bluetooth dongle and serial adapter
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[10:16] <ShiftPlusOne> both are options... a usb dongle seems like the sensible option if all you need it bluetooth connectivity.
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[11:30] <Jck_True> And don't buy the cheapest bluetooth dongles you can find :\
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[11:31] <Jck_True> My $2 keeps crashing - While the proper Sandberg one works
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> Jck_True, I think he left some time back..
[11:32] <Jck_True> oh - My chat wasn't scrolling so I thought it was recent :P
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[11:40] <vibhav> would it be safe to insulate the gpio pins on the RPi?
[11:41] <ShiftPlusOne> insulate how?
[11:44] <vibhav> ShiftPlusOne: I can cut the plastc of some wires and put them on the gpio pins
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't see why not... or why
[11:45] <vibhav> ShiftPlusOne: My desk is full of metallic objects which may short the Pi
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[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> and aside from the gpio headers, what are you doing for the rest of the board? Seems like a case and a ribbon cable is a sensible solution.
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> assuming cleaning up the table is not an option >.>
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[12:07] <Jck_True> Or just stuff it in the box it came in
[12:08] <tig|> or any plastic box
[12:08] <hifi> acrylic cases are cheap
[12:09] <Jck_True> $6.30 In china for a Pi case :)
[12:09] <tig|> or attach several helium balloons to it and the other end to the table
[12:09] <hifi> Jck_True: the dx case?
[12:09] <Jck_True> yes
[12:09] <hifi> I have it
[12:09] <hifi> because it was the cheapest one I could find at that time
[12:10] <Jck_True> I broke my first - Because I was a retard assembling it
[12:10] <tig|> I have a couple of pibows and an openbox one, the pibows are more solid but I like the way the camera is attached to the frontplate on the openbox
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[12:12] <hifi> Jck_True: I almost started hacking it when assembling it because I was a retard
[12:12] <hifi> just before I started cutting I flipped the piece over "oooooh"
[12:12] <Jck_True> hifi: SAME LOL
[12:12] <hifi> the hdmi port, right?
[12:13] <Jck_True> No USB/LAN i think
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[12:13] <hifi> ah
[12:13] <Jck_True> Was upside down and mirrored
[12:13] <hifi> I had to bend my USB port a bit so it fit through the hole
[12:13] <Jck_True> It would *almost* fit but the board was being bent
[12:13] <hifi> and yes, I has that piece upside down too
[12:13] <Jck_True> So i tried using force to snap it into place
[12:13] <hifi> yeah, I did that too but I didn't force it, lol
[12:14] <hifi> just pondered a while why the heck it didn't fit
[12:14] <hifi> then flipped it over and facepalmed
[12:14] <Jck_True> Lovely case otherwise
[12:15] <hifi> true, I keep my pi on my desk a lot with all my other stuff like keys so it is very easy to accidentally short something
[12:15] <hifi> and my dog has a habit of sniffing it with a very wet nose
[12:15] <hifi> took a good while for that dx order to arrive, almost forgot it
[12:15] <hifi> I think it was well over a month
[12:17] <hifi> oh, dx also ripped off pibow
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[12:21] <tig|> hifi: just saw that :/
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[12:22] <hifi> well, I ripped off crabby wallet by making one myself :(
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[12:38] <Jck_True> And for thoose who got curious about the case - Here is the link - http://dx.com/p/raspberry-pi-acrylic-case-transparent-197133?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
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[12:39] <hifi> the chinese child labor workers rejoice for sharing
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> Jck_True, that's the adafruit case. They open-sourced the design.
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> I made up about 60 on them in the past few weeks...
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> actually it's not quite the adafruit case, but very similar.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I'm quite an expert at putting them together now without breaking the 'dragon claws' :)
[12:45] <Jck_True> my 3rd case (My first being the Farnell cardboard box) - The second being the Multicomp Case
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> I like the PiBows, but they're a fiddle when fitting board on-top of the Pi.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> so I have a pair of Pi's in the old SKPang mounts.
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> one I cut-down the pillars so I could get more boards on-top.
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[13:13] <rendar> network of my raspberry doesn't work. when i plug the rj45 cable (i have tried 2 cables, which one works with my laptop) the 3 leds FDX, LNK e 10M blinks in long intervals, like 8 seconds, and when i try to setup network, when i give to it 'route add default gateway' it says: network is unreachable, how i can fix this? shouldn't rasp conigure network by itself?
[13:16] <Jck_True> rendar: Running a x11?
[13:16] <rendar> nop
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> rendar, out of the box, Raspbian looks for IP via DHCP
[13:16] <rendar> only console
[13:16] <Jck_True> rendar: And do you have any USB devices connected?
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> however I've seen dodgy power supplies cause the Ethernet to drop out...
[13:17] <rendar> Jck_True, only an old usb keyboard that after some minutes of usage seems to freeze
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[13:17] <IT_Sean> Sounds like a squiffy PSU
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> power....... (or lack of it)
[13:17] <Jck_True> Sounds like power supply
[13:17] <rendar> hmmm
[13:17] <rendar> power supply problem? i see
[13:17] <rendar> btw now i have unplugged that shitty keyboard
[13:17] <Jck_True> rendar: If you have a multimeter measure between TP1 and TP2
[13:17] <rendar> and rasp seems running
[13:18] * ShiftPlusOne adds 'squiffy' to the vocabulary.
[13:18] <rendar> but it still doesn't appear to the router connected devices..
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[13:18] <rendar> do i have to remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ?
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> I often have to remove that file - it sometimes renames eth0 to eth1 )-:
[13:19] <rendar> hmmm
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[13:20] <rendar> it seems that dhcp doesn't work
[13:20] <rendar> leds remain fixed now, instead of blinking
[13:20] <Jck_True> the USB stack is no longer crashing then :) It's a start!
[13:20] * IT_Sean still thinks it's a power issue
[13:20] <IT_Sean> also...
[13:20] <rendar> lol yeah
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[13:21] <rendar> i'll try to change power supplier
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[13:22] <rendar> sorry..
[13:22] * Jck_True fails to see where rendar slipped
[13:22] <IT_Sean> <rendar> btw now i have unplugged that [REDACTED] keyboard <---- Jck_True, right there.
[13:23] <IT_Sean> about 16 or 17 lines up.
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[13:23] <hifi> maybe it was a typo and he meant shining keyboard with a lot of backlights that would deplete the power supply, no? ;)
[13:23] <ShiftPlusOne> clearly
[13:23] <Jck_True> hifi: Because the keys are like right next to each other :P
[13:24] * IT_Sean remains unconvinced
[13:24] <piedpiper> must admit thats what stuffed up my pi the first time...plugged in MS X6 keyboard with lights...flipped it right out
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[13:24] <hifi> I only own one USB keyboard and luckily it's a cheap one without anything fancy
[13:25] <rendar> ok i solved the problem, just changing power supplier!
[13:25] <rendar> now rasp is connected also to the router
[13:25] <rendar> and dhcp works!
[13:26] <Jck_True> I bought a cheap bluetooth keyboard.. And that keeps crashing my pi :(
[13:26] * IT_Sean isn't one to say "he told you so" but...
[13:26] * IT_Sean told you so
[13:26] <IT_Sean> :p
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[13:28] <Jck_True> Would have been a nice final touch to my work desk setup :(
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[13:28] <Jck_True> Anyway - Has anybody experienced with FUSE and cloudstorage on the pi?
[13:28] <hifi> Jck_True: you know if it's software or hardware related issue?
[13:28] <rendar> btw, if i type `su -h', what kind of password i'm supposed to give to rasp?
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> Jck_True, I've used some proprietary 2.4Ghz wireless keyboars & mice without an issue. Personally I'd never consider bluetooth - too much hassle.
[13:29] <nid0> Jck_True: define "cloudstorage"
[13:29] <Jck_True> nid0: I'm not really picky, dropbox/sugarsync/GDrive
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> get a cheap VPS and NFS mount its disks :)
[13:30] <Jck_True> I just wanna backup my webpages
[13:30] <nid0> or a synology box all of your very own :)
[13:30] <Jck_True> nid0: 4bay QNAP is on my wishlist :P
[13:31] <nid0> honestly, most cloud storage providers are just a general hassle to try to integrate outside of their own provided tools, a cheap vps of your own as gordonDrogon suggested that you can just access via your choice of nfc/iscsi/rsyncd/whatever you want is much easier
[13:32] <nid0> nfc = nfs*
[13:32] <Jck_True> Doh... Rsync
[13:32] <Jck_True> Why didn't I think about that earlier...
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[13:36] <nid0> rsyncd+stunnel is a super easy + reliable compressed/encrypted way to transfer stuff around remotely, ideal for backups
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> storage in VPSs seems expensive though.
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[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> nid0, what's stunnel for? Wouldn't using ssh for syncing make it encrypted anyway?
[13:39] <nid0> generally yes, because vps storage is usually aimed at being fast, = not cheap
[13:39] <nid0> but for small volumes its often no major deal
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[13:43] <nid0> ShiftPlusOne: using rsyncd rather than ssh at the remote end is much more efficient and portable in terms of user access/setup etc but doesn't support encryption natively, hence stunnel requirement
[13:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, fair enough. I've only used rsync over ssh, without rsyncd, my mistake. Thanks
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[13:47] <tig|> my piglow has just arrived \o/ but I have to wait till I get home to play with it
[13:47] <nid0> for a lot of single-user backup purposes just using rsync over ssh might be more straightforward tbh, but for huge filesets rsyncd performs file/block comparison much more quickly than going over ssh, and we have rsync backup servers at work that're used by a lot of different clients so simply setting up separate rsyncd users with allowed access addresses is more straightforward than
[13:47] <nid0> segregated ssh users
[13:47] <nid0> ofc if you're just backing up a small set of website files to your own VPS as root anyway, rsync + ssh is probably the easier to setup :)
[13:48] <ShiftPlusOne> makes sense
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[14:06] <Kane> matin
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[14:36] <foo303> Hi all. I'm trying to resize my sdcard for the raspberry pi. However, whenever I do mount -o ro,remount / I get an error saying that / is busy (which makes sense) but I'm wondering what others have done in order to run e2fsck
[14:36] <foo303> Is it necessary to run it, or just a precaution?
[14:37] * foo303 thinks maybe fstab should be edited and a reboot... but no one is mentioning these steps in their "tutorials", so maybe I'm missing something
[14:37] <SirLagz> use another computer to run fsck ?
[14:37] <SirLagz> or use single user mode
[14:37] <patagonicus> foo303: ext2/3/4 support online growing, e2fsck is not needed in that case. However you need to resize the partition first and the kernel may not pick up the change in the partition table until you reboot.
[14:37] <foo303> ah, well that's done :)
[14:39] <foo303> and while I'm at it, I'm wondering if anyone used the DWA-131 wireless adaptor from D-link. It uses a realtek chipset that 1892su I think, and it is advertised to be a "raspberry pi accessory" and it doesn't even work well with linux (x86 AND arm)
[14:39] <foo303> Just an honorable mention for any wall of shame.
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[14:39] <tig|> shutdown -rF now <-- should reboot and force fsck to run on reboot
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[14:40] <foo303> F is not a recognized option, tig|.
[14:40] <patagonicus> tig|: That wouldn't help as e2fsck forces you to do a an fsck if the filesystem is unmounted even if it is clean. But after the reboot the fs would be mounted anyway, so it would be an online resize.
[14:40] <patagonicus> *resize2fs forces you
[14:40] <tig|> hmm in that case try : sudo touch /forcefsck
[14:41] <tig|> then reboot
[14:41] <patagonicus> Just make sure the partition table was read correctly, then run resize2fs, there is no e2fsck needed.
[14:41] <foo303> hmm. I did it, but no fsck
[14:42] <foo303> touch /forcefsck; shutdown -r now;
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[14:42] <foo303> the file got removed though
[14:42] <foo303> so whatever was supposed to fsck did a part of its job :p
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[16:11] <yannickoo> hey guys, my "100" (http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/rasberry_pi_status_leds.jpg) is yellow. could the reason be that the pi was falling down and no it's broken?
[16:12] <IT_Sean> The LEDs are NOT dual color.
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[16:12] <tig|> yannickoo: the 100 led is for the ethernet connection
[16:13] <yannickoo> tig|: sure but if it's yellow what could it mean?
[16:13] <patagonicus> yannickoo: On for that LED means you're getting 100MBit/s on the ethernet port.
[16:13] <patagonicus> As opposed to only 10MBit/s.
[16:13] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[16:13] <yannickoo> patagonicus: ah okay... i have no ip with eth0
[16:13] <yannickoo> (see ifconfig)
[16:14] <patagonicus> That's a different story. The 100-LED is only for the physical layer, IP is above that.
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[16:14] <yannickoo> patagonicus: okay thanks :)
[16:15] <yannickoo> how could i debug no why lan doesnt work?
[16:15] <IT_Sean> standard troubleshooting procedures... Does it have an IP. If yes, can it connect to local network? cna it connect to innernet? etc... start locally and work your way out.
[16:16] <yannickoo> IT_Sean: if i take the lan cable and connect it to my laptop it works...
[16:16] <tig|> yannickoo: first make sure your DHCP service is working on your network, on most home networks this is done by your router
[16:16] <IT_Sean> Check your router logs. Is the router giving the raspi an IP.
[16:16] <IT_Sean> Check the network configs on the raspi... is it accepting the IP>
[16:16] <IT_Sean> ?
[16:17] <tig|> also have you made any changes to /etc/network/interfaces
[16:17] <tig|> does /etc/init.d/networking restart throw up any errors?
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[16:18] <daylo> I have quite a big problem
[16:18] <IT_Sean> ?
[16:18] <tig|> daylo: nope, you have an oppertunity for a technical solution :)
[16:18] <daylo> with my raspbery pi
[16:18] <daylo> thats a way to put it
[16:18] <IT_Sean> what. is. the. problem?
[16:18] * tig| hands IT_Sean a cookie to calm him down
[16:19] <daylo> I can't login to my raspberry pi becuase my keyboard is messed up, some keys don't work
[16:19] <daylo> I am running windows os
[16:19] <tig|> daylo: download putty and log into it via SSH :)
[16:19] <IT_Sean> Some keys don't work?
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[16:19] <IT_Sean> Sounds like an ew keyboard might be in order then.
[16:19] <daylo> yep
[16:19] <IT_Sean> *new
[16:20] <yannickoo> IT_Sean: network is unreachable (
[16:20] <yannickoo> :/
[16:20] <daylo> i have putty but my raspberry pi isn't connected to the network i think
[16:20] <daylo> I really do need a new keyboard but I can't this week
[16:20] <tig|> daylo: plug it in via ethernet and look on the router status page to see if it gets and IP
[16:21] <tig|> yannickoo: ifup eth0
[16:21] <daylo> thanks
[16:21] <daylo> I need to dig around to find my ethernet cable
[16:21] <tig|> then you will be able to SSH into it
[16:22] <yannickoo> tig|: no i see the dhcp discover actions
[16:22] <yannickoo> tig|: no dhcp offers received
[16:23] <tig|> daylo: once you can ssh in you could setup VNC or something similar and use the Pi from your other machine :)
[16:23] <daylo> tig: is there any other ways that doesn't involve ethernet? Can I use another device as a keyboard?
[16:23] <daylo> tig: like a tablet or laptop keyboard?
[16:23] <tig|> yannickoo: ok try setting up a static IP address on it and restart the networking see if that gets you online
[16:24] <IT_Sean> daylo: if you want a keyboard to plug right into the Pi, you will need a USB keyboard.
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[16:24] <daylo> i'm going to nick my friends keyboard
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[16:25] <IT_Sean> Since when is a broken keyboard a "Serious problem with a raspi" ?
[16:25] <PhotoJim> that's not a problem with a raspi at all. :)
[16:25] <PhotoJim> that's like saying I have a serious problem with my car because the stereo doesn't work :)
[16:26] <IT_Sean> ^ that
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[16:31] <yannickoo> tig|: just executed ifconfig 192.168.69.48 netmask 255.255.252.0
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[16:32] <tig|> yannickoo: that is an odd netmask
[16:32] <ShorTie> sounds like a ip address to me
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[16:32] <yannickoo> tig|: what would you suggest?
[16:33] <patagonicus> PhotoJim: More like: "I have a serious problem with my car because the garage door won't open." The stereo can been seen as part of the car.
[16:33] <tig|> it is a /22 o.O if it is a standard home network I would expect to see 255.255.255.0 as the netmask
[16:33] <tig|> unless you are doing something special
[16:34] <tig|> yannickoo: if you are setting it using ifconfig you will also need to add a route and nameservers manually
[16:34] <tig|> but you should be able to already ping your router
[16:35] <yannickoo> tig|: "host is unreachable"
[16:35] <tig|> which will probably be 192.168.69.1 or 192.168.69.254 (usually)
[16:35] <yannickoo> tig|: it was 192.168.69.254
[16:36] <tig|> hmmmm have you got a different network cable you could try?
[16:36] <yannickoo> tig|: 192.168.68.1, sory. already tried another cable
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[16:37] <yannickoo> tig|: hm.. is there another way instead of sudo ifconfig IP ... ?
[16:37] <tig|> yannickoo: wait, double check your ip addresses as you said you did ifconfig using 192.168.69.48 and just pinged 192.168.68.1
[16:37] <tig|> which way round is it?
[16:37] <pksato> yannickoo: you sure about ip 192.168.68.xxx ?
[16:37] <yannickoo> 192.168.59.47 is my ip address
[16:37] <yannickoo> 69*
[16:38] <yannickoo> yeah the ip of my laptop is 92.168.69.22
[16:38] <yannickoo> 192.168.69.22
[16:38] <pksato> 59, 68 or 69 ?
[16:38] <pksato> normaly, 192.168.x.x have a netmask 255.255.255.0 or /24
[16:38] <tig|> yannickoo: you can set it manually in /etc/network/interfaces a quick google will bring it up as it is not pi specific
[16:39] <tig|> yannickoo: this isn't a BT homehub is it?
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[16:39] <yannickoo> tig|: do you know how to remove my manually assigned ip addres?
[16:39] <pksato> it's mean, that the third number not change.
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[16:40] <yannickoo> pksato: 69
[16:40] <yannickoo> pksato: i changed the netmask to 255.255.255.0
[16:40] <tig|> yannickoo: sudo ifdown eth0 then sudo ifup eth0 should do it I think
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[16:41] <pksato> ifconfig eth0 192.168.69.31 netmask 255.255.255.0
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[16:41] <pksato> ifconfig eth0 up
[16:42] <yannickoo> pksato: should be the same like ifup eth0 ?
[16:42] <pksato> if is doing it manualy. instead distrobuition specific way to configure network.
[16:42] <pksato> no.
[16:43] <pksato> to use ifup need to configure /etc/network/interfaces
[16:43] <pksato> on raspbian or debian like distribuition.
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[16:46] <yannickoo> pksato: tig| and again host unreachable :(
[16:46] <PhotoJim> patagonicus: I can live with that analogy :)
[16:46] <pksato> yannickoo: what host?
[16:47] <yannickoo> pksato: 192.168.69.1 (router)
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[16:48] <pksato> is a ethernet cable connected direct to router?
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[16:48] <yannickoo> pksato: to a switch
[16:48] <pksato> rpi -> sw -> router?
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[16:49] <yannickoo> pksato: yes
[16:49] <pksato> notbook ping router?
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[16:50] <pksato> or/and, notbook ping rpi?
[16:50] <pksato> ee
[16:50] <yannickoo> pksato: rpi > sw > sw > router
[16:51] <pksato> two switch? you sure that connection is working?
[16:51] <yannickoo> ah cool, i can ping now the pi from my laptop
[16:51] <yannickoo> they both are connected to the same switch
[16:51] <yannickoo> yes, i'm in office right now ;)
[16:52] <yannickoo> but i cannot ping my laptop from the pi
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[16:52] <pksato> office? firewall on router? or 802.x auth needs?
[16:53] <yannickoo> pksato: ... good question :D
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[16:53] <yannickoo> pksato: the switch goes to a power socket like ethernet input, that goes to another switch and then to the router
[16:54] <yannickoo> pksato: and you don't think that the problem could be that my pi was falling down?
[16:54] <yannickoo> and i cannot connect via ssh to the pi :s
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[17:09] <yannickoo> pksato: ? :D
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[17:28] <yannickoo> Oh, i cannot connect to the pi and cannot reach it via ping
[17:28] <yannickoo> fuck.
[17:28] <patagonicus> I just skimmed the backlog. So you can ping from the laptop to the Pi but not the other way round?
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[17:32] <jerng_> kicked because of ...?
[17:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> language
[17:33] <Firehopper> he swore
[17:33] <Firehopper> said the F word
[17:33] <jerng_> oh
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[17:34] <yannickoo> gordonDrogon: why did you kick me?
[17:34] <yannickoo> patagonicus: no i cannot get an ip address and i guess the problem is that my pi was falling down :/
[17:35] <sney> yannickoo: it took me a couple tries to get used to it too. this channel doesn't allow swearing.
[17:35] <tig|> yannickoo: channel language policy, the pi is used by everyone including kids so the channel has one
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[17:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> language this is a child friendly channel
[17:35] <sney> If I swear in here again, I'll be banned permanently! unless the earlier strikes get forgotten, anyway
[17:35] <patagonicus> yannickoo: And DHCP works with the laptop? Or is that one using static addresses?
[17:36] <yannickoo> tig|: oh sorry guys :(
[17:36] <tig|> yannickoo: I would move the pi into the same room as the switch to take out the ethernet plugs until you have it working
[17:37] <yannickoo> tig|: but it also does not work if i connect the pi to my macbook
[17:37] <tig|> yannickoo: you would either need a crossover cable for that or a switch in the middle
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[17:37] <tig|> and you would have to set both ends static
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[17:41] <yannickoo> tig|: and what do you think about connecting them both?
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[17:43] <gordonDrogon> yannickoo, swearing in the channel.
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> yannickoo, Channel Rules: http://tiny.cc/h7za1w
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[17:44] <patagonicus> Hmm, lets see if my Pi'll start the network and SSH now. But first I'll have to run mksquashfs again …
[17:44] <tig|> yannickoo: so to recap where are you now, pi can see laptop but not the other way around?
[17:44] <yannickoo> tig|: i can neither see the laptop from the pi and the pi form the laptop
[17:45] <tig|> can you see the router from the pi
[17:45] <tig|> ?
[17:46] <yannickoo> tig|: host unreachable
[17:46] <tig|> right
[17:46] <tig|> I would reset the powerline setup (the ethernet plug thingies)
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[17:49] <yannickoo> tig|: tried it multiple times...
[17:50] <yannickoo> tig|: just ordered a wifi usb adapter because i guess the lan port is broken
[17:50] <tig|> yannickoo: I wouldn't write off the lan port until you have it plugged directly into the switch
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[17:51] <yannickoo> tig|: hm okay
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[17:56] <ShorTie> yannickoo, is the laptop windows ??
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[18:03] <yannickoo> ShorTie: mac
[18:04] <ShorTie> oh ok
[18:05] <yannickoo> ShorTie: why do you ask?
[18:05] <ShorTie> don't know how to check ip stuff on a mac, but have you ??
[18:06] <ShorTie> everything should be the same except the actual ip address and mac
[18:06] <yannickoo> ShorTie: ifconfig :)
[18:06] <ShorTie> is this a home or business network that you are trying to connect ??
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[18:07] <ShorTie> if it is a business, i'm wonder if they have mac filtering
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[18:11] <yannickoo> everything is working now <3
[18:11] <yannickoo> the switch had some issues :D
[18:11] <yannickoo> ShorTie: mac filtering?
[18:12] <ShorTie> ya, router can filter stuff so only specific mac's can connect
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[18:13] <yannickoo> crazy
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[18:29] <RavenII> Holy Moly?there are a LOT of people in here.
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[18:30] <IT_Sean> 446 people, to be exact.
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[18:33] <mgottschlag> not too exact though :)
[18:33] <mgottschlag> ChanServ ftw
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[18:33] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[18:34] <ShorTie> more like 46 peeps and 400 bots
[18:34] <IT_Sean> Um no.
[18:34] <IT_Sean> No bots.
[18:34] <RavenII> fight fight fight!
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[18:34] <IT_Sean> At least, there _shouldn't_ be any bots in here.
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[18:35] <RavenII> I'm back?clumsy fingers...
[18:35] <RavenII> back to the fight.
[18:35] <IT_Sean> Nope. You still aren't here, RavenII.
[18:35] <IT_Sean> Try again.
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[18:36] <RavenII> Damn it.
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[18:36] <RavenII> Now?
[18:36] <IT_Sean> Yeah, that worked.
[18:36] <RavenII> Whew, irc has been acting up lately.
[18:36] <RavenII> lately too...
[18:36] <IT_Sean> It does that.
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[18:46] <Moon_Man> I'm trying to increment a bash variable. My code keeps giving me errors, I've tried a few different formats. Could someone take a look? http://pastebin.com/WBY9FFct
[18:46] <Moon_Man> This is the error I'm getting; nodejs.sh: 40: nodejs.sh: COUNT++: not found
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[18:52] <ShorTie> maybe try lower case
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[19:17] <slikts> pi doens't have any builtin temperatue sensors right?
[19:17] <chithead> the bcm2835 has a sensor
[19:17] <slikts> oh
[19:19] <chithead> rpi kernel has support for the sensor if you enable CONFIG_SENSORS_BCM2835
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> unfortunately, it has limits.
[19:19] <slikts> it works, thanks
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[19:19] <patagonicus> Well, it has one to measure its own temperature, but none that you can use to measure room temperature accurately.
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> it did not properly measure the temperature of my deep fat frier.
[19:19] <slikts> I used /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> Also, it made the oil taste funny.
[19:20] <ozzzy> I never liked deep fried pi
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[19:21] <RavenII> Now?Key lime pi?I love
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> key lime pie isn't available yet.
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[19:23] <RavenII> I'm trying to do a home information/thermostat system?one where you can enter when you changed your furnace filter, humidifier element, oil changes (car), etc etc?and set reminders
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[19:23] <RavenII> as well as control your HVAC
[19:23] <RavenII> now my question is....
[19:24] <RavenII> to make it a bit more "efficient" at reading temperatures?is it possible to have the Pi read from multiple (say 2 or 3) temp sensors and avg it out and decide whether or not to kick the system on?
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> RavenII: Sure.
[19:24] <slikts> why wouldn't it be possible
[19:25] <RavenII> Because I'm completely new at programming and have no clue?
[19:25] <RavenII> :-)
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> Generally you'd connect up multiple temperature sensors - and then use a relay to turn the furnace on/off
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[19:25] <na85> RavenII: you can have as many sensors as you have inputs to the pi
[19:26] <RavenII> ok, so I'm assuming it's relatively simple?poll temp sensor 1, 2, 3, get sum, blah blah blah if result ? do this if not, don't?
[19:26] <na85> alternatively you can use a single input on your pi and connect that to a small board with a microprocessor, and then you could have thoeretically unlimited inputs
[19:26] <na85> RavenII: well yeah, once you have the values from the sensors, whatever math you want to do with them is up to you
[19:27] <RavenII> Now, would something like that be written in python? or is there a better suited language to program with?
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[19:27] <SpeedEvil> python can be used.
[19:27] <na85> RavenII: if your rpi is running a linux distro you can pretty much write it in whatever language you want
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[19:27] <na85> i'd choose one that you're familiar with
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> Or forth, javascript, perl, php, intercal, spectrum basic plus a Z80 emulator, ...
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[19:28] <RavenII> That's the thing, I'm politely familiar with Arduino?completely oblivious to other languages. For now.
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> Arduino is sort-of-C++
[19:29] <na85> i didn't know arduino was its own language
[19:29] <na85> that's.... silly
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> Transitioning to C, for example might be a plan.
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> Python probably isn't a bad language to learn.
[19:29] <slikts> na85: it's actually neat
[19:29] <na85> slikts: if it's me I'd rather just use actual C++ and not some bastard child of it
[19:29] <RavenII> I understand it relatively well?.enough to be dangerous.
[19:29] <RavenII> I believe you can
[19:29] <RavenII> If I'm not mistaken.
[19:30] <na85> well in any case
[19:30] <na85> C, C++, and Python would all be good choices
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[19:30] <na85> c and c++ because you're sort of familiar
[19:30] <RavenII> Got ya.
[19:30] <na85> python is pretty easy to learn
[19:30] <na85> if you google
[19:31] <na85> "learn python the hard way"
[19:31] <na85> there's a nice tutorial
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[19:31] <slikts> that's actually a book
[19:31] <na85> i believe there's a free online version
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[19:31] <slikts> yes it's free
[19:31] <na85> yes, so
[19:31] <na85> google that
[19:31] <RavenII> Already there :-)
[19:32] <na85> and it's a pretty good tutorial that will get you on your feet quickly
[19:32] <na85> moves nice and quick, but not so fast as to be overwhelming
[19:32] <RavenII> I see.
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[19:33] <Vib3> hi
[19:33] <RavenII> Herro
[19:33] <Vib3> I am trying to use hostapd with zd1211rw wlan card
[19:34] <Vib3> but it says :/ -> "Line 2: invalid/unknown driver 'zd1211rw'"
[19:34] <Vib3> ideas?
[19:36] <RavenII> Have you installed the driver?
[19:37] <Vib3> yes
[19:37] <RavenII> Then no?no ideas.
[19:37] <RavenII> But, I'm not the best person to ask
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[19:38] <Vib3> k
[19:38] <Vib3> hmmmm
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[19:39] <na85> Vib3: i would assume that means that your distro doesn't have the zd1211rw driver
[19:39] <na85> or rather
[19:40] <na85> you'll have to re-build hostapd from source
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[19:41] <na85> Vib3: this might help
[19:41] <na85> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/hostapd
[19:41] <Vib3> seems that hostapd doesn't have support for zd1211rw :/
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[19:42] <slikts> what's a good way to use youtube on pi, xmbc with youtube plugin?
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[19:59] <Twist-> slikts: That works. XBMC is a bit slow on a Pi, though. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/whitey is another option.
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[19:59] <IT_Sean> XBMC worked brilliantly for me, when i was running it on my Pi
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[19:59] <RavenII> Shit, if you think XBMC is slow on the pi?you've not ran on an Apple TV
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[20:00] <RavenII> It was BLAZING fast on my pi?in comparison.
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[20:00] <RavenII> The only thing it lacks for me to use it is Netflix?and even that, I'm debating on whether or not I want to cancel my useless account.
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[20:01] <RavenII> Right, family channel
[20:01] <IT_Sean> Right.
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[20:02] <johnc-> you are live on channel 4, please do not say *explitive deleted* or bugger
[20:03] <IT_Sean> I no longer run XBMC on my Pi (replaced it with a Roku), but, OpenELEC was nice and snappy for me.
[20:03] <IT_Sean>
[20:03] <johnc-> I know there are brits in the room who'll get the reference
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[20:04] <RavenII> clumsy fingers again...
[20:04] <johnc-> to be fair, trying to run a fast UI on pi is a challenge
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[20:08] <sraue> IT_Sean, the last (3.1.6) OpenELEC releases includes some more improvenments... now bootime is much faster... maybe you should try again and replace your Roku with a second RPi :-)
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[20:08] <RavenII> Roku does Netflix. BOOM!?what now?
[20:08] <RavenII> (Kiddin)
[20:08] <sraue> the GUI is improved too :-)
[20:08] <sraue> who needs Netflix
[20:08] <RavenII> But he/she is right. I had a good experience with it.
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[20:09] <RavenII> Those who like to watch C string movies that come out 4-5 years after their release?
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[20:09] <Twist-> Does Roku do YouTube?
[20:09] <sraue> Netflix dont cares about (linux)users so why they should care about Netflix...
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[20:10] <RavenII> Because I use a?.right, Linux. That's what I use?full time. Command line only.
[20:10] <johnc-> I need my netflix
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> C string? Zero terminated?
[20:11] <johnc-> null terminated*
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> actually nul, but hey ...
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[20:20] <Moon_Man> How do I install the command flock? I tried sudo apt-get install flock, it didn't work.
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[20:22] <IT_Sean> Twist-: No. There is no YouTube app for Roku due to some licensing issue disagreement with google or soemthing silly like that
[20:22] <IT_Sean> There are some hackish workarounds, however.
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[20:23] * IT_Sean really only uses the Roku for Netflix, which is how he gets all of his television (no cable).
[20:23] <ShorTie> apt-cache search says to try libfile-flock-perl
[20:23] <Moon_Man> ShorTie: Do you mean adding that to the sources?
[20:23] <Moon_Man> or sudo apt-get install libfile-flock-perl?
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[20:23] <ShorTie> no, try apt-get it
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[20:24] <Moon_Man> ShorTie: Yep, that worked. Thanks man.
[20:25] <Twist-> IT_Sean: Yeah, I read something about that earlier this year, when I set a Roku up for my mother.
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[20:26] <Twist-> IT_Sean: I was just wondering if anything had recently changed. I haven't been following Roku news since then
[20:26] <IT_Sean> Nah... as fair as i know, there is no easy way to yootoob on a roku
[20:27] <johnc-> silly locked down services
[20:28] <IT_Sean> It is not an issue that bothers me, however. Short of having a "Is it a good idea to microwave this" marathon on the TV, i am happy to restrict my YouTube viewing to my computer / tablet / phone
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[20:29] <Twist-> IT_Sean: I'm of the opinion that DRM is a helpful indication that my time may be better spent on other media.
[20:30] <Twist-> I don't bother working around it.
[20:30] <johnc-> youtube doesn't have DRM
[20:31] <Twist-> johnc-: I have a similar reaction to advertising supported media.
[20:31] <Twist-> johnc-: YT doesn't have DRM in the traditional sense, but they certainly go to great lengths to shut out clients that don't display their advertising.
[20:31] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[20:32] <IT_Sean> And it's the ads that make me not use YoUTube.
[20:32] <johnc-> adblock = problem solved
[20:33] <johnc-> YT is a pain though if you wanna write your own viewing app
[20:34] <IT_Sean> Thats Google for you.
[20:34] <IT_Sean> Google. Making crap harder than it needs to be, because we can!
[20:34] <johnc-> I wonder if youtube-dl can be piped to omxplayer
[20:34] <johnc-> "because we can" psh
[20:34] <johnc-> "to protect our revenue model"
[20:34] <Twist-> johnc-: yes. That was covered in the whitey link I provided earlier.
[20:35] <johnc-> care to relink?
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[20:35] <RavenII> Dude, that % is a...doozy.
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[20:36] <Twist-> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/whitey is another option.
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[20:37] <SpeedEvil> I'd be quite happy to pay a subscription to youtube - of a small amount
[20:37] <RavenII> Really? Why?
[20:37] <RavenII> well, I mean I know why?but why?
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> To remove ads, and support content providers.
[20:37] <RavenII> Ah?of course.
[20:38] <nmpro> how is everyone doing today?
[20:38] <RavenII> nmpro, We woke up?not too bad.
[20:38] <RavenII> You?
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[20:38] <RavenII> SpeedEvil, I see what you mean. It would be cool to have one consolidated place to watch everything...
[20:38] <johnc-> your subscription fee would give google less money than you seeing ads :P
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[20:39] <SpeedEvil> not really
[20:39] <Twist-> SpeedEvil: They'd go with the Hulu model. You'd pay a monthly subscription, but they still wouldn't remove the Ads.
[20:39] <RavenII> netfulufinitrime (netflix, hulu, xfinity, Amazon Prime, HBO GO, Showtime)...?wow, there are a lot
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[20:40] <SpeedEvil> i think only netflix of those works in the UK
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> - and only somewhat
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[20:41] <RavenII> Wow.
[20:41] <RavenII> Surely there's an alternative, no?
[20:42] <plugwash> The trouble is that media licensing is nearly all region dependent
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> netflix - iplayer for BBC content - and there are a couple of channels
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> but those channels generally do not have primetime type content
[20:42] <RavenII> Ah, yes?money, money, money?.
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> At least promptly
[20:42] <plugwash> if an internet video provider wants to move into a new region they have to redo all their licensing negotiation from scratch
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[20:43] <nmpro> RavenII, doing great.. off tomorrow.. excited for a 4 day weekend...
[20:43] <RavenII> Nice?very nice.
[20:43] <nmpro> RavenII, moving tomorrow .. no more 45 minute commutes.. haha.. the wife and I are moving directly across the street from work.. :-)
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[20:44] <plugwash> now of course end users can use proxies and tunnels to get arround this, though the legality of doing so is questionable
[20:44] <RavenII> Legality?most of those users still have to pay the subscription fee...
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[20:44] <RavenII> Not to mention it's slowww....
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[20:45] <TronCycle> Illegal doesn't equal convenient, evidently. ;)
[20:45] <RavenII> Tell that to most of my family members...
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[20:56] <armin> hi, did anyone already find cases for the raspberry pi with a piface attached onto it?
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[20:59] <SpeedEvil> RavenII: it can be extremely difficult to get a subscription to one of the pay services if you're outside the region - you may for exampl eneed an in-region credit card
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[20:59] <tig|> Gadgetoid: hiya, just tried your web gui for the piglow but it complains about wiringpi2 being missing
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[21:04] <RavenII> SpeedEvil, I see?hmm, well, I'm covering at least one person?I've been paying for years and used it ?maybe? 10 times?
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[21:06] <SpeedEvil> Err - what?
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> i'm not arguing about the ethicality - merely the practicality
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> i can't sign up for hulu - even if I use a VPn - as they require a US credit card.
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[21:08] <RavenII> Oh I know?I was being facetious
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[21:13] <johnc-> hehe, now I just gotta cook up a chrome plugin to send youtube urls to my pi to be played on my TV :)
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[21:13] <RavenII> That?would be awesome
[21:14] <daemoneye> yay! I got my pi to work after struggling with it not booting.
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[21:17] <nmpro> daemoneye, congrats!
[21:17] <sney> what was the issue
[21:17] <nmpro> power not plugged in? lol.. haha
[21:17] <daemoneye> thanks nmpro... I was installing the OS to /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sdb...
[21:18] <daemoneye> I was not reading all the instructions, so user error
[21:18] <nmpro> ahh.. i c
[21:18] <RavenII> You know?I found that backing up was a pain because of that...
[21:18] <RavenII> I kept doing if=/dev/sdX instead of if=/dev/sdX2
[21:19] <daemoneye> heh... yea.
[21:19] <daemoneye> I wonder if that is a common problem
[21:19] <RavenII> Doing it the other way backs up the WHOLE 32GB (which in hindsight seems like overkill).
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[21:20] <RavenII> daemoneye, I make tons of mistakes. Usually when I'm really eager to get something working.
[21:20] <daemoneye> Same here. I just got in the mail today a second pi that I want ready to go for when I get some ham radio equipment for it.
[21:21] <RavenII> Hah, nice?I tried using it to stream my RTL-SDR?not really successful yet?but I'm still trying.
[21:21] <RavenII> Tech class license?
[21:21] <daemoneye> yea. Tech... I want to put up an APRS iGate
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[21:23] <RavenII> Nice.
[21:23] <RavenII> I never got into VHF/UHF stuff much, APRS still popular?
[21:23] <daemoneye> yea. It'll be a fun project
[21:23] <RavenII> That's cool.
[21:23] <daemoneye> Yea, it is still popular.
[21:23] <daemoneye> anyway, I gotta split. Take care
[21:23] <RavenII> YOu too
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[21:46] <sney> I should probably get going on installing my video kiosk. lazy sney
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[22:02] <RavenII> So?let's say that I've got the temperature part sorted out (which I'm confident I'll do)?how does one go about making a?.I'll google it, nevermind
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[22:13] <CheckMatt> Hello
[22:14] <plugwash> hi
[22:14] <RavenII> Ahoy hoy
[22:14] <CheckMatt> I have a little question : i will buy a raspberrypi soon, if i connect my smartphone (Galaxy Ace) with the usb cable, without powered usb hub, will it work ?
[22:15] <RavenII> CheckMatt, work?.doing what?
[22:15] <RavenII> charging it?
[22:15] <RavenII> or detecting it?
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[22:16] <CheckMatt> just detecting it, and don't shutdown
[22:16] <Firehopper> your pi wont charge your phone..
[22:16] <Helldesk> nor the other way around
[22:16] <Firehopper> it might detect it..
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> in principle, your pi can be powered from your phone
[22:16] <RavenII> ^ what he said
[22:16] <CheckMatt> I don't want to charge it, just tethering
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> that's about it
[22:16] <Firehopper> the phone wont power the pi..
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> Tethering will not work.
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[22:17] <RavenII> CheckMatt, rndis? does Linux even have that?
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> I'm assuming there is no other power source but the phone.
[22:17] <RavenII> CheckMatt, why not wifi tether?
[22:17] <Helldesk> cnosider the Pi a computer you just happen to power with a (decent) phone charger
[22:17] <Firehopper> tethering may work if the pi has a driver.. but its doubtfull
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[22:18] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, what makes you think that?
[22:18] <CheckMatt> RavenII: i just have this idea : imagine my smartphone is charged, and i connect it to the Pi, does tethering will work ?
[22:18] <CheckMatt> The smartphone can work on battery, isn't ?
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: how i interpreted his line.
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[22:19] <RavenII> CheckMatt, to answer your question?you'll need to see if RNDIS works on Linux (I've never tried personally). If it does?it should work.
[22:19] <Helldesk> search for instructions for tethering from a linux environment, it's up to the software
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> CheckMatt: if you are asking if you can use your phone to power it - and connect to the pi - not without modification at least, and the answer is probably not.
[22:20] <funkster> would i have a problem powering 3 5mm leds off raspberry pi power? they would be red/green/blue
[22:20] <CheckMatt> RavenII: i will search. But the Pi won't shutdown because of an asking tension from the PI ?
[22:20] <plugwash> my experiance with my wildfire S was that when in tethering mode it appeared as a USB ethernet adaptor and I could grab an IP from it over DHCP and access the internet through the phone
[22:20] <RavenII> Itttt?.might CheckMatt ?I'm not TOO sure.
[22:20] <plugwash> note: the phone WILL try to charge from the Pi when doing this so you need to make sure your power supply can cope with that
[22:20] <RavenII> plugwash, yeah, that's android 4.x
[22:21] <CheckMatt> SpeedEvil: I don't want to power the RPi with the phone !
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> ah - k
[22:21] <Helldesk> currently shipping units don't have polyfuses on the usb ports, right?
[22:21] <Helldesk> or am I mistaken
[22:21] <CheckMatt> RavenII: Ok, i will try, if it doesn't work... i will see
[22:21] <plugwash> RavenII, my phone is android 2.3.5...............
[22:22] <Helldesk> some phones sniff for a resistor network on the data lines fo figure out how much power they can ask from a usb port
[22:22] <RavenII> plugwash, Really??hmm
[22:22] <Helldesk> *to figure out
[22:22] <CheckMatt> plugwash: so you ever try tethering with your android and the Rpi ?
[22:22] <plugwash> If it's plugged into a Pi it will act as if it's connected to a PC, so it will probablly try and charge at 500ma
[22:23] <plugwash> CheckMatt, yes as I said I tried it and it worked
[22:24] <CheckMatt> plugwash: ok thank's a lot, but the Rpi won't give 500mA, so it will work on battery probably ?
[22:24] <plugwash> I enabled USB tethering on the phone, set the tethering mode to "windows" (it didn't work in "mac" mode) and the Pi saw the phone as a network adaptor called "usb0", bringing that adaptor up in dhcp mode resulted in a working internet connection
[22:25] <CheckMatt> plugwash: that's exactly what i want :')
[22:25] <plugwash> Modern Pis don't have any usb polyfuses, so if the phone tries to pull 500ma it will either get it or it will drag down the power rails on the Pi which may cause some problems
[22:25] <Helldesk> CheckMatt: there are no automatic apostrophes in front of the letter s, so the correct thing to type is "thanks a lot"
[22:25] <plugwash> If you are going to do more than just a quick test I'd reccomend hooking up a 2A or so PSU to the Pis GPIO
[22:26] <plugwash> to make sure that even if the phone pulls 500ma there is still a good soild 5V on the Pi's power rail
[22:26] <CheckMatt> Helldesk: exact, i forgot, sorry i don't really speak english
[22:26] <chithead> or a powered usb hub
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[22:27] <Helldesk> plugwash: on the other hand a phone can't exactly "ask" for more than a source can provide, but yeah, the way with least headaches is to use a powered usb hub between a pi and any accessories
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[22:27] <Helldesk> especially if you want to plug in a keyboard *and* a mouse in addition to the phone
[22:28] <CheckMatt> Helldesk: yeah i know, but if i can don't buy an powered usb hub, it will be fine
[22:28] <CheckMatt> Helldesk: i will use only a keyboard
[22:28] <Helldesk> it certainly won't hurt to try it out
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[22:28] <Helldesk> CheckMatt: you should be good to go if your usb charger for powering the Pi is up to the task
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[22:30] <CheckMatt> Hm... problem : my usb charger just provides 700mA
[22:31] <Helldesk> it probably won't be enough
[22:32] <Helldesk> it's a surprisingly tricky to get decent power sometimes
[22:32] <CheckMatt> What can happend ?
[22:32] <Helldesk> nothing, which is the problem
[22:33] <CheckMatt> but the phone will be connected, isn't ? If it don't charge its, i will be not a problem
[22:33] <Helldesk> or you might see it trying to boot over and over again and browning out due to lack of power
[22:33] <Helldesk> the phone won't cause a problem nor will it help any
[22:34] <Helldesk> the Pi alone can demand all of the power available from that power supply, and more
[22:34] * plugwash fights with uwsgi
[22:34] <plugwash> The phone WILL try to charge
[22:34] <CheckMatt> Hm... But with a PSU 2A, it will be fine ?
[22:35] <plugwash> With a 2A PSU hooked up to the GPIO header it will be fine, with a 2A PSU on the microusb connector you may have issues due to the input polyfuse
[22:35] <plugwash> of course one soloution to that problem is to solder a wire over said polyfuse
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[22:36] <CheckMatt> And with a 700mA PSU on the microUSB and a PSU on the GPIO ?
[22:36] <plugwash> Generally you don't want to connect two PSUs at once.........
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[22:37] <CheckMatt> Ok.. I just return on what you said : [22:34] <plugwash> The phone WILL try to charge
[22:37] <CheckMatt> But it will not be good, so what will happend ?
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> anything that draws too much power from the Pi's 5V supply will give you headaches.
[22:38] <plugwash> Depending on how agressive the phone is about trying to charge it may be anywhere from nothing noticable to random misbehaviour to total poweroff of the Pi
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> at best the USB & Ethernet will drop out, at worst the Pi will drop-out, or go into a reboot loop.
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[22:39] <CheckMatt> hm... If the phone is charged, it will be better isn't ?
[22:40] <funkster> would i have a problem powering 3 x 5mm leds off raspberry pi 5v power? they would be red/green/blue
[22:40] <tig|> funkster: people power lots of leds without problems :)
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> funkster, LEDs are fine. keep the drain to under 15mA per pin though.
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> and while I don't recommend this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[22:41] <tig|> gordonDrogon: had my first contact with your wiringpi and it worked perfectly :)
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> tig|, excellent! :)
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[22:42] <tig|> gordonDrogon: used the excellent Gadgetoid's colour selector for the piglow :)
[22:42] <funkster> gordonDrogon: the 5mm leds rnage from 1.8-4VDC depending on the color, i think. they are about 15-20mA
[22:43] <funkster> the 5mm leds i purchased, that is.
[22:43] * IT_Sean shoves a 5mm LED into a mains socket, steps away, and flicks the wall switch
[22:43] * IT_Sean hears a nice little POP, then walks away smiling
[22:44] * Firehopper yawns and prods IT_Sean with a 20mm led
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> 4V is unlikely in the extreme
[22:44] <IT_Sean> OW!
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> 3.6 is the top or so
[22:45] * IT_Sean pokes Firehopper with a small capacitor
[22:45] * Firehopper eeeeks!
[22:45] <IT_Sean> oooh,I see what you were thinking!
[22:45] <Firehopper> zap!
[22:45] <funkster> sorry 3.2 is highest
[22:45] * SpeedEvil is currently pondering making a 5mm 60W LED.
[22:45] <funkster> for white and green, it looks like.
[22:45] * IT_Sean turns off the power, sticks the 20mm LED in the mains socket, then steps back
[22:45] * IT_Sean flips the power on
[22:45] <IT_Sean> BANG!
[22:45] <IT_Sean> :D te he he
[22:46] * Firehopper has 2 10 watt leds
[22:46] <IT_Sean> O_O
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> - a copper cube, with a LED on each face, and two hypodermic leads for coolant and power
[22:46] <funkster> SpeedEvil: powering 3 of these leds with 270ohm resisitors shouldn't be a problem with the 5v power, yeah?
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> funkster: no
[22:46] <IT_Sean> o_O
[22:46] <IT_Sean> coolant?
[22:46] <IT_Sean> jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: Well - it's 60W
[22:46] <funkster> SpeedEvil: awesome, thanks.
[22:47] <IT_Sean> blooooody hell.
[22:47] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: it's to replace a 30W halogen in a old fairly massive lead-acid light.
[22:47] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8407106634/ < 10 watt leds :)
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[22:47] <IT_Sean> I want one!
[22:47] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:47] <funkster> maybe i dont understand electronics enough but the leds use between 1-3.2V and the raspbery pi only have 5V supply. am i missing something?
[22:48] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: equivalent to about a 500W flood.
[22:48] <SpeedEvil> funkster: the resistor 'wastes' most of the voltage.
[22:48] <Firehopper> 10 watt led runs on 12volt, 100 watt, 36 volt ish
[22:48] <Firehopper> funkster. ohms law
[22:48] <funkster> SpeedEvil: ahh.. thats makes sense! awesome.
[22:48] <Firehopper> V = I x R
[22:48] <IT_Sean> 's really more of a guideline. :p
[22:48] <SpeedEvil> my preferred 10W LED.
[22:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp/discrete-directional/xlamp-xml
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> 5*5mm
[22:49] <funkster> Firehopper: thats another language to me, which is obvious if im asking lol. but i will look into ohms law
[22:49] <Firehopper> nice SpeedEvil
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[22:51] <Firehopper> v = voltage, I is current, r is resistance.
[22:51] <Firehopper> so
[22:51] <Moon_Man> Is there a way to do math on variables in bash?
[22:52] <Firehopper> if the led drops 2 volts across it, the resistor needs to drop 3 volts..
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[22:52] <Firehopper> and if the led needs 10ma..
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[22:52] <Firehopper> so now we know that the resistor has to drop 3 volts at 10 ma.
[22:53] <IT_Sean> eeeeeeeeeeew
[22:53] <IT_Sean> maths
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[22:53] <Firehopper> so 3.0 = .01 * ??
[22:53] <Firehopper> 3.0 / .01 = resistance needed in ohms
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[22:54] <Firehopper> 310 ohms
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[22:54] <Firehopper> but you could use 330 or 470 ohms as well
[22:54] <funkster> 270 resistor wont work?
[22:55] <Firehopper> it might, but it would be brighter..
[22:55] <funkster> makes sense.
[22:55] <funkster> and what total voltage is each LED going to use after all hooked up?
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[22:55] <Firehopper> use a bigger one to start with.. then you can adjust it later
[22:56] <funkster> thats confusing me =( sorry for such newbie questions.
[22:56] <Firehopper> leds are diodes..
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[22:56] <Firehopper> led = light emitting diode.
[22:56] <Firehopper> so its going to depend on what kind of led it is and what color..
[22:56] <Firehopper> but they have a range..
[22:56] <Firehopper> thats why usually a 1k resistor is a good place to start..
[22:57] <Firehopper> you can measure the voltage across the led. and it wont blow up the led with too much current
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[22:57] <Firehopper> it wont be very bright. but it should still be visable
[22:57] <funkster> for example say the 5mm LED is 2v 15mA
[22:58] <Firehopper> okay..
[22:58] <Firehopper> and your driving it with 5volts
[22:58] <Firehopper> so...
[22:58] <funkster> wlk me through how you figure it out so i can learn pls =D
[22:58] <Firehopper> take the 2volts from 5 volts leaves 3 volts that have to go away
[22:58] <Firehopper> so..
[22:58] <Firehopper> v = i * r
[22:59] <Firehopper> 3 volts = .015 Amps( ma is milliamps) * ?
[23:00] <Firehopper> so rearrange that to be 3 volts divided by .015 amps = resistance we need
[23:00] <Firehopper> 200 ohms
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[23:00] <Firehopper> but I would drop the current a bit just to be sure you dont kill the pi
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[23:01] <Firehopper> so maybe 10ma or less, depending on how bright you like it..
[23:01] <funkster> so a higher resistor
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[23:01] <Firehopper> you would then pick the closest value resistor that you have available
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> you can take over 35mA out of a single Pi GPIO pin, but I really don't recommend it.
[23:01] <Firehopper> there are standard values ..
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[23:02] <Firehopper> gordonDrogon, whats the max total current from the pi's port?
[23:02] <funkster> in this case how much power is the LED using?
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[23:02] <Firehopper> for all the pins at once..
[23:02] <Firehopper> :>
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> Firehopper, it's an intersting question. Most will say to not take more than 50mA off the 3.3v line.
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest sticking to 15mA per pin or under.
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[23:02] <Firehopper> funkster, how many leds are you wanting to light up?
[23:03] <funkster> lets just say one, for now.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> however I have drawn 150mA off the 3.3v line - those 17 LEDs take about that...
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> I would not recommend that for any sort of "production" device at all.
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[23:03] <Firehopper> yeah 15ma per led..
[23:04] <v1c3> Hello, my networkmanager plugin of xbmc doesnt start. "script ERROR" in XBMC-gui. The xbmc.log says: http://bpaste.net/show/127541/ . Has anybody an idea how to solve this ERROR? NOTE: IGNORING THIS CAN LEAD TO MEMORY LEAKS! I am running arch-arm on my pi.
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[23:04] <Firehopper> or less.. so lets say 5 - 10 ma max per led..
[23:04] <funkster> gordonDrogon: you used different resistors based on color, yeah?
[23:04] <Firehopper> and funkster the ma value is usally listed as a max on leds..
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> funkster, no - I'm lazy.
[23:04] <Firehopper> the number to look at on a led datasheet is Typ.
[23:04] <Firehopper> that means typical
[23:05] * chod looks in
[23:05] <Firehopper> or average
[23:05] <funkster> Firehopper: gotcha. maybe i need to understand voltage and mA better =( voltange is the the "pipe" and mA is the current, right?
[23:05] <Firehopper> voltage = pressure and current is flow
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> is a good analogy.
[23:05] <Firehopper> a valve = resistor
[23:06] <Firehopper> a valve regulates the flow
[23:06] <funkster> ahhh!! gotcha
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[23:13] <Firehopper> thats prolly why electronic tubes were also called valves.
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> i would say calling it a valve is a terrible term.
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> As it misleads and implies controllability
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> which a (fixed) resistor is not.
[23:14] <Firehopper> true
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[23:16] <SpeedEvil> also - ##electronics is generally a sane place
[23:16] <Firehopper> sane? whats that :)
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[23:17] <na85> valve is a decent analogy because it causes a pressure ("voltage") drop
[23:17] <na85> but i suppose you could change "valve" to just about any obstruction in the pipe
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[23:20] <gordonDrogon> a valve in a water pipe will not cause a drop in static pressue.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> just as a resistor won't drop any voltage when no current is flowing.
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[23:33] <chod> voltage pushes the current through the resistance
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> Yes - my objection isn't to the analogy - just to the implicaiton of variability.
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> 'A resistor is like a partially closed valve fixed in one position'
[23:34] <ShorTie> na, current pushes the voltage through
[23:35] <chod> increase voltage more current flows
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[23:36] <ShorTie> hard to change 1 of 3 things and the other 2 stay the same
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[23:37] <chod> its all dynamic in reality
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