#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-09-01

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[0:02] <Rydekull> image written
[0:03] <Rydekull> sweet!
[0:03] <Rydekull> booting!
[0:03] <Rydekull> [7]: my gratitude to you
[0:04] <[7]> well, that was mostly trivial :)
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[0:06] <[7]> Rydekull: btw, android has some ext4 sparse imaging tool
[0:06] <[7]> that could turn out to be useful
[0:06] <Rydekull> interesting
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[0:07] <[7]> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/system/extras/+/c2470654d4b4db09a7052fc5fa108ac21f1b1948%5E/ext4_utils
[0:09] <[7]> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081239 can be helpful for using it outside of android
[0:12] <[7]> ext2simg for packing, simg2img for writing to the card
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[0:20] <Rydekull> I will look into that :-)
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[0:34] <ryao> Does the Raspberry Pi use high memory in the kernel?
[0:35] <ShorTie> it uses all 512 megs of it
[0:36] <ryao> ShorTie: I mean addresses above 1GB, which need to be treated specially.
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> on x86
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[0:37] <ShorTie> if it only has 512 megs, how can it acess > 1gig ??
[0:38] <ShorTie> access*
[0:38] <ShorTie> or > 513 megs
[0:38] <Vostok> löps löps löps
[0:38] <wiiguy> there is only 512mb ram
[0:39] <ryao> That does not mean that it is all mapped contiguously.
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[0:39] <ryao> ShorTie: Mappings.
[0:39] <ShorTie> it be a map to nowhere
[0:40] <ryao> ShorTie: Basically, the page at address X can be mapped anywhere, 0, 1, or more times.
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[0:40] <Mortvert> ryao, still, there's no need for highmem on pi?
[0:40] <ryao> Is there a channel for kernel hackers?
[0:40] <ryao> Mortvert: Most likely not, but I want to confirm that there is no high memory.
[0:41] <Mortvert> higmem is more than 2 gigs, no?
[0:41] <Mortvert> unless i'm mistaking it
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[0:41] <ryao> I also want to ask if anyonw can explain why initramfs support breaks when vmalloc is set to a value above 192M.
[0:41] <ShorTie> i think they took it to 4 gig
[0:42] <ryao> Mortvert: 1GB
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[0:42] <ryao> High memory refers to the user/kernel split.
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[0:43] <ryao> If something is in high memory, it means you need to map it into low memory to access it because trying to access it directly will read from userland.
[0:43] <ryao> Assuming you do not page fault in unmapped memory.
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[0:44] <ryao> There is some address space set aside for such mappings. There is also address space set aside for kernel virtual memory.
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[0:47] <j4jackj> Vostok: what does lops lops lops mean?
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[1:48] <[7]> ryao: hm...
[1:48] <[7]> in my pi kernel (but my pi has 256MB) CONFIG_HIGHMEM isn't set, so I guess you don't need it
[1:48] <[7]> I'm using an initramfs without problems
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[1:48] <ryao> [7]: Thanks.
[1:49] <[7]> VmallocTotal: 778240 kB
[1:49] <[7]> VmallocUsed: 856 kB
[1:49] <[7]> VmallocChunk: 564548 kB
[1:49] <[7]> can you describe in more detail how you're loading the initramfs and how it breaks?
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[1:54] <ShorTie> go in there and try /? and see what it says about it
[1:54] * [7] wonders what that is referring to
[1:57] <ryao> [7]: I am loading the initramfs via config.txt. Increasing vmalloc above 192M (default) on the kernel commandline causes the kernel to skip execution of the initramfs and panic.
[1:58] <[7]> the pi is a 512MB one? how much GPU memory?
[1:58] <[7]> is the kernel image compressed?
[1:58] <ryao> 512MB, default gpu memory
[1:58] <ryao> [7]: Yes
[1:59] <[7]> at which address are you loading the initramfs?
[1:59] <ryao> [7]: I have a line like this in config.txt: initramfs name
[1:59] <ryao> Where name is the filename.
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[2:00] <[7]> hm, without the second argument?
[2:00] <[7]> typically that line would look like: initramfs initramf.gz 0x00800000
[2:01] <ryao> [7]: Apparently, it is able to function without it... I wonder if it will pass the value to the kernel if I set it myself... maybe it is being loaded somewhere that is being clobbered by vmalloc=
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[2:01] <[7]> yes, I'd guess something like that
[2:02] <[7]> the bootloader should pass the user specified address to the kernel
[2:02] <[7]> look at /proc/cmdline, it passes all kinds of other crap as well :)
[2:02] <[7]> and it happily ignores the cmdline= config.txt line
[2:02] <ryao> [7]: That is the commandline. I am referring to the field in the struct passed from the bootloader to the kernel.
[2:02] <[7]> yes, I know
[2:03] <[7]> but the bootloader sets that if you specify an address
[2:03] <ryao> [7]: Ignoresa. It sounds like your cmdline is hardcoded.
[2:03] <[7]> if you have a compressed kernel image, you have to watch out that the decompression doesn't trash the initramfs as well
[2:03] <ryao> [7]: It sets it if you do nto specify an address. That is how the kernel is managing to boot without that information in the kernel cmdline.
[2:04] <ryao> [7]: It has not yet.
[2:05] <[7]> another option, which is what I'm doing currently (and which avoids a whole lot of possible problems) is integrating the initramfs into the kernel image. is that an option for you?
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[2:06] <ryao> [7]: Yes, but I would rather avoid it. I guess I ould try that and see if vmalloc=256M works. Thanks for the idea.
[2:07] <ryao> s/ ould/could/
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[2:08] <Wolfram74> quick question, can only one of the pins be used as output at a time?
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[2:10] <[7]> Wolfram74: I haven't dealt with the GPIOs yet, but that would seem odd
[2:12] <Wolfram74> i just have this little script i've made in python
[2:13] <Wolfram74> and i had a part where I turned on 3 LED's, but took a .1 second pause between
[2:13] <Wolfram74> and they didn't stay lit up between pauses
[2:14] <[7]> can you pastebin the full script?
[2:14] <Wolfram74> hrmmm
[2:14] <Wolfram74> let me try
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[2:16] <Wolfram74> http://pastebin.com/hG8ZrQnT
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[2:21] <[7]> you're referring to that for i in range(20) loop?
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[2:41] <Wolfram74> yeah
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[2:44] <knob> definitely
[2:44] <Wolfram74> what?
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[2:44] <Wolfram74> oh,you got that out of context a bit
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[2:48] <knob> Sorry mate
[2:48] <knob> been having intermittent connection problems
[2:48] <knob> =)
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[2:54] <Wolfram74> so'k
[2:54] <Wolfram74> have any familiarity with the GPIO pins?
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[3:05] <knob> Wolfram74, no... not really
[3:05] <Wolfram74> ok
[3:08] <knob> Sorry man... I'm a rPi n00b
[3:10] <j4jackj> Does the RPi support UUCP?
[3:10] <j4jackj> :D
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[3:13] <ryao> j4jackj: Why wouldn't it?
[3:13] <j4jackj> ryao: heh
[3:13] <ryao> :)
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[3:19] <steve_rox> any interesting projects going on?
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[3:41] <ryao> steve_rox: I am working on getting Gentoo Linux running on the Raspberry Pi with a ZFS rootfs.
[3:48] <steve_rox> not sure what that does
[3:50] <ryao> steve_rox: What do you mean?
[3:50] <ryao> steve_rox: Most people using the Raspberry Pi use ext4. This replaces that with ZFS.
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[3:56] <steve_rox> oh right so its like changeing the file system type
[4:01] <ryao> steve_rox: Yes. ZFS is a superior filesystem. It will be nice to use it as the rootfs on the Raspberry Pi.
[4:02] <ryao> steve_rox: Some neat things about ZFS are that it eliminates fsck and it can transparently compress files. It also uses the ARC page replacement algorithm.
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[4:03] <steve_rox> if it eliminates fsck whats used to repair the file system?
[4:04] <ryao> steve_rox: Mathematics
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[4:04] <ryao> steve_rox: The filesystem is a giant merkle tree with duplicate copies of metadata. It can heal itself if it gets damaged.
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[4:04] <ryao> steve_rox: If there is anything it cannot heal, it will name the casualty and you can move on.
[4:05] <steve_rox> interesting
[4:06] <tzarc> RAM will be a problem.
[4:06] <steve_rox> would save a lot of trouble
[4:06] <ryao> steve_rox: You can do a scrub to catch anything that is corrupted.
[4:06] <ryao> tzarc: Not really.
[4:06] <ryao> steve_rox: Yeah. :)
[4:06] <tzarc> howso?
[4:07] <tzarc> ZFS performance is abysmal without a large amount of memory used for the ARC and whatnot
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[4:07] <tzarc> don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it working, but I just question the viability of it considering the constraints of the pi
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[4:08] <tzarc> if it's a "because I can", then by all means :)
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[4:08] <j4jackj> does anyone here run UUCP on their Pi?
[4:09] <PhotoJim> I don't think many run UUCP much anymore, but it should run just fine.
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[4:09] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: will you run it?
[4:10] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: I'd like to play with it. hadn't thought of doing so on the Pi but no reason it couldn't be done. but I want to go old school and do it with modems. :)
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[4:12] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: well my UUCP server is throttled to 33.6k for every connection
[4:13] <PhotoJim> what's your connection? dialup?
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[4:19] <j4jackj> It's ADSL at 20Mbps
[4:19] <j4jackj> with 1.9Mbps upload
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[4:23] <PhotoJim> so you're using TCP transport for UUCP, not serial?
[4:24] <PhotoJim> UUCP is designed to run over serial links so it may not be very fast over TCP/IP
[4:25] <ryao> PhotoJim: Throughput wise, TCP/IP would be faster by leaps and bounds.
[4:25] <PhotoJim> it would be, just not sure if UUCP can take advantage of it.
[4:25] <PhotoJim> I'd think it ought to be able.
[4:25] <PhotoJim> but maybe not.
[4:26] <PhotoJim> in its day 9600 bps was considered to be a fast link.
[4:26] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: I am running UUCP over TCP
[4:26] <PhotoJim> maybe see if you can find some users who use it on other platforms and see what bandwidth they get
[4:27] <PhotoJim> is it possibly emulating a modem connection encapsulated over TCP/IP? if so that might explain it too
[4:28] <j4jackj> I'd like you to be tester, 'dialing' in at 4 AM lastng through however long it takes to upload and download all messages
[4:28] <j4jackj> Through TCP ofc
[4:29] <PhotoJim> I'm out of the country at the moment. but if you don't mind it being a day or two from now we can chat about testing it.
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[4:30] <j4jackj> Out of what country? Also, I need to know whether dialup over VoIP is possible, let alone plausible.
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[4:31] <PhotoJim> I live in Canada. I'm in the US right now.
[4:31] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: Phreaking phonespace!
[4:31] <PhotoJim> dialup over VoIP is possible, depending on the quality of your modem and the quality of your VoIP provider. :)
[4:31] <j4jackj> Bit of a bummer
[4:32] <PhotoJim> I find it finicky but possible.
[4:32] <ryao> tzarc: Please highlight me in the future... I am in multiple channels and if I am not highlighted, I might not see responses should someone else keep highlighting me.
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[4:33] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: how does one make an ATA out of spares?
[4:33] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: I just buy cheap Linksys PAP2Ts off eBay. I have about 5 of them. that'll last me a metric lifetime.
[4:33] <ryao> tzarc: Anyway, ZFS performance does not really require a large amount of RAM. That is mostly a myth. There are some deficiencies that make running ZFS on the Raspberry Pi somewaht challenging, but those have to do with virtual address space.
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[4:34] <ryao> tzarc: Anyway, I am hacking on it.
[4:34] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: and they support G711u?
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[4:35] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: they do but I have a niggle that only one line of the two can do 711u at a time. I'm not positive that's 711u that has the limitation though.
[4:35] <pksato> I just watched MiB 3, and and catch yours talking about UUCP. :P
[4:35] <PhotoJim> heh, cool.
[4:36] <j4jackj> I'll need about 4 then... but anycase, if I get it to work it will only use G711a. Why? Because alaw is THE international trunk standard.
[4:37] <PhotoJim> sounds like an interesting project
[4:37] <PhotoJim> do some research :)
[4:37] <PhotoJim> the PAP2s are nice but they may not be the best. I like them because I know them.
[4:37] <PhotoJim> they work well for voice . and I have at times had good luck with them for data.
[4:37] <j4jackj> like fax?
[4:38] <PhotoJim> not fax, v.34 modems.
[4:38] <j4jackj> thing is I want to emulate dial up over VoIP, for a laugh.
[4:38] <PhotoJim> well v.90 but you can't do v.90 speeds when you connect to another normal analog modem.
[4:38] <PhotoJim> I've done serial console connections over VoIP.
[4:39] <PhotoJim> depending on line quality I sometimes have to slow the data rate down quite a bit, but it can and does work.
[4:39] <j4jackj> Does the PAP2T support two different SIP accounts? Also I will need to buy another modem since it will be computer loopback for first tests
[4:39] <PhotoJim> yes, I have mine set to use les.net on line one and voip.ms on line 2
[4:40] <PhotoJim> if you want modems, get US Robotics Courier v.Everythings. they're awesome and they're cheap now.
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[4:40] <PhotoJim> they are, to be honest, quite large, though.
[4:40] <PhotoJim> Courier v.90 and v.92 are best, but for your applications, they will work as will a v.34 one.
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[4:44] <j4jackj> Are you sure I won't get a line that's marginally 53.3k quality?
[4:44] <j4jackj> :D
[4:45] <j4jackj> Since once it leaves the modem, it's all 1s and 0s
[4:46] <j4jackj> I should expect a lot of retraining, but oh well. What goes around comes around
[4:48] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: heh, no, I'm saying you need ISDN/T1-type lines to do v.90 inbound calling. ISPs had 'em, consumers generally don't :)
[4:48] <PhotoJim> and you need special hardware, not normal modems.
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[4:52] <j4jackj> Are there any VoIP to ISDN emulators?
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[4:53] <PhotoJim> Not that I know of, but ISDN has higher bandwidth than VoIP does so I'm not sure it would be easy to emulate.
[4:55] <j4jackj> I mean the 64k ISDN, not 128k ISDN
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[4:58] <PhotoJim> Not sure, to be honest. I'd be interested to find out.
[4:58] <PhotoJim> I'd love to have v.90 inbound dial-up Internet hosted at home. :) (v.34 isn't too hard to accomplish.)
[4:58] <j4jackj> Maybe send raw ISDN data as 'G711u' in the headers
[4:59] <j4jackj> Is v90 outbound possible at all?
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[5:02] <PhotoJim> yes, it's really just v.34.
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[5:03] <j4jackj> does v34 support 48k?
[5:04] <j4jackj> or is that v90's exclusive reserve?
[5:04] <PhotoJim> no, v.34 is 33.6kbps max. in both directions
[5:04] <PhotoJim> v.90 is 56k from the ISP max., 33.6k up from the customer max.
[5:04] <PhotoJim> v.92 is 56k/48k max.
[5:04] <PhotoJim> but v.92 was never super-widely deployed. it came just a little too late.
[5:06] <j4jackj> is v92 48/48 even possible over G711a?
[5:07] <j4jackj> I wonder.
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[5:08] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: if the other end has v.92 hardware and T1/ISDN, then theoretically yes.
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[5:09] <j4jackj> why doesn't v92 support full POTS operation?
[5:10] <PhotoJim> it does, but it's limited to v.34 speeds.
[5:10] <PhotoJim> ditto v.90.
[5:10] <j4jackj> that's no good
[5:10] <PhotoJim> that's always been true.
[5:11] <j4jackj> they should make a 56k over analog-only connection standard
[5:11] <j4jackj> or is there one?
[5:11] <PhotoJim> if it's POTS on both ends, 33.6kbps is the best youc an possibly get.
[5:11] <PhotoJim> it's not possible.
[5:11] <PhotoJim> v.92 can essentially slow down the download bandwidth to let the other end have more upload bandwidth. it's bandwidth-shifting, really.
[5:12] <j4jackj> that's just over half the bandwidth. I guess echo cancellation comes into play here. So if you attempted to use v92 over VoIP, it would work if you turned echo cancellation OFF, would it?
[5:13] <j4jackj> since VoIP-to-VoIP is nigh echo-free, is it not?
[5:13] * PhotoJim shrugs
[5:13] <PhotoJim> no, not echo free, for sure.
[5:14] <PhotoJim> I suppose maybe, if you could keep it within a single VoIP system and not route it via POTS or other VoIP providers. Maybe.
[5:14] <PhotoJim> you're talking about redesigning analog modems when most people don't use them anymore though, so there would be very tiny demand for the finished product.
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[5:16] <j4jackj> Maybe V44 with V34 could work?
[5:16] <j4jackj> Or would we have to GZIP?
[5:16] <j4jackj> I'm happy with streaming GZIP.
[5:17] <j4jackj> If it makes my modems faster.
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[5:17] <PhotoJim> v.44, good question if it will work with v.34. in theory it could if both modems were v.92 modems.
[5:17] <PhotoJim> but real world, it's not that big an improvement.
[5:17] <PhotoJim> v.42bis works quite well.
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[5:18] <j4jackj> It will only be going via one ATA, on the same provider (me) and maybe even the same computer.
[5:18] <j4jackj> Two accounts for sure.
[5:18] <ryao> I wonder if LZ4 is an option instead of gzip... it should make things even faster. It should be possible if you control both ends.
[5:18] <j4jackj> But on the same provider, never traverses the POTS, only uses POTS as the last metre...
[5:18] <j4jackj> LZ4? Ned to look into that
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[5:20] <j4jackj> What would the effective transmission rate (IYHO) be if you `gzip -7`'d the data going IN to ttyS0, and zcat'd the data coming out of ttyS0 ? Ofc after the modem negotiation...
[5:21] <j4jackj> Or maybe LZ4 f it's dialup cmpatible
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[5:22] <johnc-> I installed libc6-dev and appear to be missing the auxv.h headerf ile
[5:23] <johnc-> stuff won't compile :(
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[6:54] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: hello?
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[6:58] <Morgazmo> Bluetooth audio question for any takers - I have my Galaxy paired and connected with my raspberry pi and it works nearly completely automatically, but I need to run pactl load-module module-loopback source=bluez_source.18_1E_B0_4D_20_0B sink=alsa_output.platform-bcm2835_AUD0.0.analog-stereo just once at the terminal before it pipes the audio through. What is the best way to have this command run automatically
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[7:03] <Twist-> Morgazmo: do you just need it to run once on boot, or each time the galaxy pairs?
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[7:04] <Morgazmo> Twist-: so far at least once on boot. haven't tried breaking the connection and repairing, but I shouldn't need to much either..
[7:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Sounds like more of a pulseaudio config question.
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[7:10] <Morgazmo> ShiftPlusOne: I tried having a script in the init.d directory - didn't seem to work (but I did have sudo in front of the command) - suppose I could try that again. Also, my pi boots into Raspbian GUI, but it's not necessary. Can I have it just boot to command line to speed things up?
[7:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, if you run sudo raspi-config, there is an option to disable X (the GUI)
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[7:11] <Morgazmo> ShiftPlusOne: Cheers - will do.
[7:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think this is the 'right' way to do what you want, but have you tried putting that command in /etc/rc.local ?
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[7:16] <Morgazmo> ShiftPlusOne: Trying now. Removing sudo from my script didn't help. Appended the command to /etc/rc.local and disabled X - Still needed to run the command to make it pipe the audio correctly..
[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know enough about pulseaudio to be able to help, sorry.
[7:18] <Morgazmo> ShiftPlusOne: No probs - cheers, will keep at it.
[7:18] <ShiftPlusOne> good luck
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[7:23] <johnc-> anybody know why my libc6-dev header files appear to be missing a single file?
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[9:13] <mattwj2002> hi all
[9:14] <mattwj2002> is there any plans of a raspberry pi C?
[9:14] <mattwj2002> you know more expensive hardware
[9:14] <mattwj2002> :)
[9:14] <ShiftPlusOne> no
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[9:14] <mattwj2002> why not ShiftPlusOne?
[9:14] <ShiftPlusOne> at least none that have been publicly mentioned, discusses or hinted at.
[9:15] <ShiftPlusOne> because they are focusing on getting the most out of current hardware and also on the education aspect of things.
[9:15] <mattwj2002> got ya ShiftPlusOne
[9:15] <mattwj2002> :)
[9:16] <ShiftPlusOne> the current pi meets their requirements. If you want something like a pi, but more powerful and expensive, there are already boards like that out there.
[9:16] <mattwj2002> either way it is amazing what $25 or $35 will buy you know days
[9:16] <mattwj2002> more expensive was't really what I asking
[9:17] <mattwj2002> I was asking more about higher spec boards in the future
[9:17] <ShiftPlusOne> look up beaglebone black, cubieboard and odroid.
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[9:18] <mattwj2002> ShiftPlusOne: I am sorry if I frustrated you
[9:18] <ShiftPlusOne> O_O frustrated? Not at all... sorry if I gave the impression that I am frustrated.
[9:18] <mattwj2002> :)
[9:18] <mattwj2002> I brought my pi out from hiding
[9:19] <mattwj2002> man is this amazing
[9:19] <Xark> mattwj2002: It is a safe bet at some point in the future they will have an updated design. I doubt 2013 though. They know better than to discuss it or else it would halt the current model sales. :)
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[9:20] <mattwj2002> Xark: I guess my thought was......are the boards going to get simplier and simplier or are they going to get more advance and cost about the same amount
[9:21] <mattwj2002> if you guys haven't guessed
[9:21] <Xark> mattwj2002: We will have to wait and see. My guess would be keep similar cost but increase capabilities in the future.
[9:21] <mattwj2002> I am a hobbyst pier :)
[9:21] <ShiftPlusOne> the foundation will do whatever they can at the given price point.... at this stage, there isn't any wiggle room.
[9:21] <mattwj2002> cool
[9:22] <mattwj2002> I am building a 2 TB video collection of shows off of cable
[9:22] <mattwj2002> :)
[9:22] <mattwj2002> a dvr of sorts
[9:22] <mattwj2002> anyways.....I use mythtv
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[9:23] <mattwj2002> and openelec makes the perfect frontend for this
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[9:23] <mattwj2002> pi!
[9:26] <Xark> Has anybody here attempted an IR filter-ectomy on their Pi camera?
[9:29] <mattwj2002> RaspberryPi's purpose is education of our young people right?
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[9:30] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, by being a cheap computer they can have in their rooms... since people tend to get paranoid about letting kids mess around with the family pc.
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[9:32] <mattwj2002> I am getting a lot of you guys are too young for this.....
[9:32] <mattwj2002> but does anyone remember Tandy Color Computer 2?
[9:32] <mattwj2002> raspberry pi reminds me of that!
[9:32] <Xark> mattwj2002: Sure. But mostly the original...
[9:32] <mattwj2002> cc1?
[9:33] <Xark> mattwj2002: That is the plan. Have it be kind of like a C64 or whatnot that you can flick on and mess with.
[9:33] <ShiftPlusOne> It's inspired by those sorts of computers (namely the BBC micro)
[9:33] <Xark> mattwj2002: Yes. I programmed for the CoCo 1 for a bit working at DataSoft (for a database in a cartridge).
[9:33] <mattwj2002> nice
[9:34] <mattwj2002> here was how I wanted to make the comparison between CoCo 2
[9:34] * Xark was one of those kids who soldered Atari joystick adapters to his first computer...
[9:34] <mattwj2002> and RPI
[9:35] <mattwj2002> it hooks up to the tv
[9:35] <Xark> mattwj2002: Hehe, OK, but your comparison was bang on. :)
[9:35] <mattwj2002> it has a small cartridge sd versus old school cartiages
[9:36] <Xark> mattwj2002: Totally. It is only missing BASIC in ROM (and this is probably not a terrible thing...).:)
[9:36] <mattwj2002> and a lot of uses for educational purpose
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> there is a company making an instant-on BASIC sort of computers with the pi though
[9:37] <mattwj2002> O.o
[9:37] <mattwj2002> what is that about history repeating itself?
[9:37] <mattwj2002> :P
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't remember the name off the top of my head
[9:37] <Xark> ShiftPlusOne: With a fast booting SD card?
[9:38] <mattwj2002> a raspberry pi probably could have put man on the moon in 1969
[9:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Xark, Yeah, I believe the plan was to keep everything in the initrd image.
[9:38] <mattwj2002> it has enough horse power anyways
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[11:11] <konfiot> Hello everybody, I'm trying to download the soft float debian image, but it isn't shown anymore in the RPI download list
[11:12] <konfiot> o you know how I can do that ?
[11:13] <konfiot> thanks in advance
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[11:19] <Dooley> Good morning
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[11:27] <Dooley> Does anyone know how the unit "AT" works for magnetic switches?
[11:27] <Dooley> I'd like to order one of these magnetic switches, but I guess I have to buy the magnet separately and I have no idea how to choose it
[11:31] <ShorTie> got a picture of it ??
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[11:33] <ShorTie> not real sure what your talking about
[11:33] <Dooley> oh yes one second
[11:33] <Dooley> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/89/CT10-227139.pdf
[11:34] <Dooley> it says release range: 3-35
[11:35] <ShorTie> ok, so it is a ried switch
[11:35] <ShorTie> any old magnet will work most likely
[11:36] <Dooley> is it related to the value in tesla?
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[11:36] <Dooley> I am wondering about the "A"T unit
[11:36] <ShorTie> oh your getting to complicated i think
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[11:37] <ShorTie> they normally don't take much
[11:38] <ShorTie> you ever see those switches they put on doors and windows for an alarm ??
[11:38] <Dooley> ah ok
[11:38] <ShorTie> same thing
[11:38] <Dooley> Yes
[11:38] <Dooley> but I guess too strong of a magnet may damage or make it not work properly
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[11:38] <Dooley> same way, too weak may not trigger the switch
[11:40] <ShorTie> true, those things come as a set
[11:40] <Dooley> betetr buying a set then
[11:40] <Dooley> I can only find single units in mouser
[11:40] <ShorTie> where the magnet is and how far away will also effect it
[11:41] <CeilingKitten> reid switch
[11:41] <CeilingKitten> i believe they are called
[11:41] <ShorTie> you can take a magnet and slide it down that thing
[11:41] <CeilingKitten> the magnet pulls a thin piece of metal into contact with another completing the circuit
[11:41] <ShorTie> it will activate at a certian point
[11:42] <ShorTie> i use to use those on robots all the time to sense where it was
[11:42] <ShorTie> or those type things
[11:42] <CeilingKitten> the way they work its flimsy inside so i doubt you need a strong magnet unless you are trying to trigger it through a wall or something lol
[11:42] <ShorTie> yup CeilingKitten
[11:43] <ShorTie> ya, i'm think i simple frig magnet will work
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[11:45] <CeilingKitten> there is some wonderful security magnets, that are rare earth metal, and they are in a ring with a rubber flance in the center, so you can screw them onto projects and its recessed so the screew is flat inside the ring
[11:45] <ShorTie> what is the applacation for it ??
[11:45] <CeilingKitten> flange*
[11:47] * CeilingKitten *shrugs*
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[11:51] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi Peeps
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> Mmmmm Magnets :)
[11:52] <Xark> Delicious neodymium...
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[11:57] <ShorTie> mornin\
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[12:34] <skoushik> Hello. I wanted to know how the resolution is decided when an RCA cable is used for the display ( an analogue TV).
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[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I think the resolution is determines by the actual standard (NTSC or PAL) and then the rest is scaled by your settings in config.txt
[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne> *determined
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[12:45] <gordonDrogon> you'll get up to 720xabout 480.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> I got 640x480 on an old monitor.
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[12:45] <gordonDrogon> the vertical resolution will be more critical on the TV you use.
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[12:51] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg <- picture of Pi using compost video output - resolution was 640x480 there.
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[13:01] <skoushik> 640 x 480 is not bad.. I got something lower than that.
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[13:33] <john_perl> i am using QEMU emulator version 1.5.2, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard
[13:33] <john_perl> and 2013-05-25-wheezy-raspbian.img
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[13:34] <john_perl> how to run it ?
[13:36] <john_perl> this not work >>qemu-system-arm -kernel kernel-qemu -cpu arm1176 -m 256 -M versatilepb -no-reboot -serial stdio -append "root=/dev/sda2 panic=1" -hda 2013-05-25-wheezy-raspbian.img
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[13:37] <chithead> it's a bit more complicated than that. if you google for "raspbian qemu" you will find some instructions
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[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> john_perl, have you edited ld.so.preload in the image?
[13:40] <john_perl> no
[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne> problem #1 then
[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Does it boot and then go into a loop, or does it not start at all?
[13:42] <john_perl> loop
[13:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that's the ld.so.preload issue.
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[13:42] <john_perl> how to fix ?
[13:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Did you use xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/ to get that far?
[13:43] <john_perl> i am reading
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[13:43] <ShiftPlusOne> No, I am just asking if that's what you used. Since the launch command you used is identical.
[13:44] <ShiftPlusOne> but if you used that page, you managed to miss the big bold text at the top and I am wondering if maybe I should put that text somewhere else or try to make it more prominent.
[13:45] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: Cool. I did not realize it was so easy to emulate the Raspberru Pi with QEMU.
[13:47] <ryao> I wonder if it runs faster in QEMU than on actual hardware.
[13:47] <chithead> well you emulate a generic arm system
[13:47] <ShiftPlusOne> It doesn't quite emulate Raspberry Pi, but it's close enough for testing purposes. Torlus has a proper raspberry pi qemu target on github somewhere, but it's not quite there yet.
[13:48] <ryao> chithead: I did not realize that the CPU had a target.
[13:49] <chithead> except for qualcomm, all arm cpus are based on a small number of designs that come from arm ltd.
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[13:51] <ShiftPlusOne> And being backward compatible is quite neat, since even if the exact cpu was missing, you'd still be able to use one of the other ones
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[13:57] <john_perl> Oh!! ld.so.preload issue.
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[13:57] <john_perl> it is working now.
[13:58] <john_perl> thank u
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[13:58] <Kane> radiateur o/
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[15:17] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: Yes?
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[15:41] <pothibo_> Anyone got ethernet sharing on mac to successfuly share internet to your raspberry pi? I'm on Lion I'm lost
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[16:46] <aktomariel_2012> Hi I am from Kiev, Ukraine , juset get my PI model B and wanderis is est any way ke groob to boot multiply partion from USB HDD , I want istall to HDD Raspbian, Kali Linux, Risc OS and even Android, I wan lke in Groob boot menu I
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[16:46] <aktomariel_2012> i read berryboot can istall multy os but probke with riscospi partitioning
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[16:47] <aktomariel_2012> can any halp me ?
[16:49] <aktomariel_2012> ???
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[16:54] <Shakaz> is a micro usb required to charge/power the raspberry pi?
[16:54] <Shakaz> is it like a 'samsung charger'
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[16:55] <plugwash> The raspberry Pi uses a micro USB connector for power input yes, it should be connected to a suitable USB power supply rated at 5V 1A or higher and of a reasonablly reputable brand
[16:57] <plugwash> the original "chargers" (they aren't really chargers, the actual charging circuit is in the phone itself) supplied with most smartphones from reputable brands should be fine. "Chargers" sold on ebay direct from china or sold in small asian-run phone shops are much less likely to be fine.
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[17:10] <Shakaz> plugwash, do powered usb hubs require mains power as well?
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[17:12] <plugwash> Powered hubs will require a power connection , that is what makes them powered ;) usually the power adator is supplied by the hub though be aware that bargin basement hubs are often supplied with grossly inadequate power supplies.
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[18:05] <gooch> Hello, I've bought a powered usb hub, when i connect it to the pi usb port it gives power to the pi even though i haven't even plug the pi power source
[18:05] <gooch> is that normal ?
[18:06] <ShiftPlusOne> for cheap hubs, yup
[18:06] <Pyrat> yep
[18:06] <ShiftPlusOne> it's due to magic
[18:06] <gooch> lol
[18:07] <gooch> is that bad for the pi ?
[18:07] <ShiftPlusOne> as long as the hub doesn't do something stupid, yup.
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[18:08] <Pyrat> my hub has been doing it for months, no apparent harm done.
[18:09] <gooch> ah, good then, no need to worry
[18:11] <Twist-> gooch: you could google up 'backpower raspberry pi' if you want more info. It's a USB spec violation, from what I've read. Hubs aren't supposed to supply 5v to the controlling computer.
[18:11] <Twist-> gooch: but I do it too. I just make a point of not using that hub with more expensive computers.
[18:11] <Twist-> If a Pi pops, I'll grab another.
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[18:15] <gooch> yeah, i'll never use it on my gaming rig
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[18:24] <RavenII> that didn't take 30 hours at all...
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[18:25] <RavenII> I started compiling at at 1:30 PM yesterday, and by the time I woke up today at around 9, it was done.
[18:25] <RavenII> Qt*
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[18:37] <Twist-> gooch: heh.. many of us have had that moment of confusion, unplugging the Pis power and watching it keep running.
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[18:37] <Twist-> "wait a minute..."
[18:38] <TLoFP1> hi all, i am playing with the camera module and was wondering what the supported resolutions are
[18:38] <TLoFP1> I can not find this documented anywhere on the itnernets
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[18:44] <gooch> yeah, i'll never use it on my gaming rialized it was the hub
[18:44] <Twist-> TLoFP1: 2592×1944.
[18:44] <gooch> dammit, this keypad
[18:44] <Twist-> https://www.google.com/search?q=raspberry+pi+camera+resolution -> https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-camera-board
[18:45] <Twist-> http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=66&limit=171
[18:45] <chris_99> it'd be cool to have a case that turned it into a little video camera
[18:47] <Twist-> chris_99: obtain project box. apply drill.
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[18:47] <TLoFP1> Twist-: sorry I meant for video
[18:48] <TLoFP1> Twist-: and 1920x1080 is supported
[18:48] <Twist-> TLoFP1: 1080p
[18:48] <TLoFP1> but what about 1920x1000
[18:48] <TLoFP1> that seems to work too
[18:48] <chris_99> heh yeah i guess Twist-
[18:48] <TLoFP1> and so does 300x200
[18:48] <TLoFP1> but neither of those are on the list of "supported resolutions"
[18:48] <TLoFP1> so why can't I do say video at 2000x500 ?
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[18:49] <TLoFP1> still less pixels then full hd
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[19:25] <Rydekull> Hello, is there any known solution/workaround, something that prevents the raspberry pi rebooting when inserting a usb key :-)
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> give it more power.
[19:26] <Rydekull> Hmm
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> although most USB keys ought to be fairly low power.
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> anything on the screen?
[19:27] <Rydekull> its plugged directly with a 2.0 A adapter
[19:27] <Rydekull> so, I feel it should be getting enough power :-)
[19:27] <Rydekull> and from what I've read, this is a "known issue"
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[19:32] <mattwj2002> guys my rpi is locking up?
[19:32] <mattwj2002> any ideas?
[19:33] <mattwj2002> it is not overclocked
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> What power supply do you have it connected to.
[19:33] <mattwj2002> a 2.1 A one
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> Also, is it currently at the bottom of a pan of boiling chicken soup.
[19:34] <mattwj2002> no
[19:34] <Rydekull> SpeedEvil: amazing followup
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> mattwj2002: what do you mean by 'lock up'
[19:34] <mattwj2002> I have a new power supply I could try
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> mattwj2002: might it just be USB stopping working?
[19:35] <mattwj2002> actually lock up is incorrect
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> That's a good first step
[19:35] <mattwj2002> it just shutoff
[19:35] <mattwj2002> :(
[19:35] <Mort> mattwj2002, RMA it
[19:35] <Mort> Had the same issue
[19:35] <mattwj2002> what Mort?
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> Do you have any usb devices connected to it?
[19:35] <Mort> return it if it's still under warranty.
[19:35] <Mort> If it works for short peroid of time and dies, they'll exchange it for you
[19:35] <mattwj2002> a wireless keyboard
[19:36] <mattwj2002> and mouse
[19:36] <mattwj2002> how long is the warranty?
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[19:37] <Mort> mattwj2002, try without keyboard and mouse
[19:39] <mattwj2002> Mort: what do you need for a power supply wattage wise?
[19:39] <Mort> I've no idea actually.
[19:39] <Mort> I bough a phone charger and it just works.
[19:40] <mattwj2002> I think I'll try a different charger
[19:40] <mattwj2002> :)
[19:40] <mattwj2002> I have a new one!
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> no matter how many amps the PSU can provide, it's all going via the 700mA polyfuse into the Pi.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> so if the usb key (or whatever) needs more than about 300mA (all that's spare) at boot time, then it's going to upset the boot sequence.
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> probably not the boot sequence
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> one workaround might be to power the Pi (if it's a Rev 2) via the other regular USB socket
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> it takes many minutes to trip at 800mA
[19:44] <mattwj2002> so you guys think my rpi is pulling too much juice for the wireless adapter?
[19:46] <mattwj2002> as in keyboard wireless adapter?
[19:46] <Mort> try running without it and see if it still fails face-first
[19:47] <Twist-> mattwj2002: The usual fix is hanging the USB devices off a powered hub
[19:48] <mattwj2002> oh okay
[19:48] <mattwj2002> I'll give that a try
[19:48] <mattwj2002> thanks guys :)
[19:50] <mattwj2002> bye!
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[20:05] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: I wonder, if I compressed a G722 with bzip2, and the filesize went below 50%, would I be able to send G722 over dialup in real time?
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[20:16] <ParkerR> j4jackj, wouldnt that depend on the original filesize?
[20:16] <j4jackj> Yes i would
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[20:17] <j4jackj> This is assuming I want to send G722 data real time over a voice quality link.
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> isn't G722 only 32Kb/sec to start with?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> if you want audio over dialup then you might want to try speaking into it rather than modulating some sort of digitally encoded speech...
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> Use g729 if you want more compression - the raw data rate of g729 is about 8Kb/sec. GSM is 13Kb/sec. IP overhead via RTP is about 8Kb/sec though.
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> latency will be high over dialup though - it's been a long time since I've used it, but ISTR 200-300mS wasn't uncommon.
[20:27] <j4jackj> gordonDrogon: It's 64kb/sec
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> j4jackj, what is?
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> j4jackj, Ah. G722. ok yes. "HD" audio - I was mistaking it for G726 which is usually 32Kb/sec.
[20:59] <mattwj2002> okay now
[20:59] <mattwj2002> who was I talking to before?
[20:59] <mattwj2002> I need to have a word with you!
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> scrollback :)
[21:00] <mattwj2002> I closed my window
[21:00] <mattwj2002> :(
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> power issues?
[21:00] <mattwj2002> yeah
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> solved with a powered hub?
[21:00] <mattwj2002> well I have to pick up a powered hub
[21:00] <mattwj2002> but unplugging my wireless keyboard and mouse adapter seems to have fixed it
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> it's probably sucking too much juice.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> is it a Rev 1 or Rev 2 Pi?
[21:01] <mattwj2002> 512 MB version
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> ok. rev 2.
[21:02] <mgottschlag> mattwj2002: there are logs in the topic btw :)
[21:02] <mattwj2002> in myho that is a pretty bad design then
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> so the total limit is 700mA or so.
[21:02] <mattwj2002> oh yeah hehe
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> mattwj2002, yes - a badly designed wireless adapter. many are.
[21:02] <mattwj2002> :P
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> USB peripherals are not supposed to draw more than about 100mA without power negotiation with the on-board controller... Many dont and many hosts don't have a clever controller, so the assumption is that more usb devices may draw more and the host isn't going to care. The Pi cares as there really isn't much spare power....
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[21:05] <mattwj2002> wait a second
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> the solution is a good powered usb hub, alternatively power the Pi via one of the normal usb sockets not the micro usb (or via GPIO)
[21:05] <mattwj2002> it might have just died!
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> The Pi?
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> alas poor Pi...
[21:06] <mattwj2002> yup it just did
[21:06] <mattwj2002> what type of warranty does the pi hav?
[21:06] <mattwj2002> *have
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[21:07] <gordonDrogon> depends on the country yuo're in.
[21:07] <mattwj2002> US
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> no idea.
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> same as any consumer goods I guess.
[21:07] <mattwj2002> gordonDrogon: it varies in the US
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> depends on the state then...
[21:07] <mattwj2002> I am probably out of luck
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[21:08] <gordonDrogon> With nothing plugged in - just the �USB power do you get the power LED coming on?
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[21:08] <mattwj2002> gordonDrogon:
[21:09] <mattwj2002> I just have an ethernet cable and a usb power cable
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> any LEDs?
[21:09] <mattwj2002> yes
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[21:09] <mattwj2002> all lights are lite besides the activity
[21:09] <mattwj2002> led
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> it might not be dead.
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> do you have a regular keyboard for it?
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> one you can plug directly in?
[21:10] <mattwj2002> a usb keyboard?
[21:10] <mattwj2002> yeah
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> thinking: go back to first principles here. Pi, SD card, no ethernet, just power & keyboard & video.
[21:10] <mattwj2002> I don't even have an HDMI hooked up to it at the moment
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> can you ping it?
[21:11] <mattwj2002> O.o
[21:11] <mattwj2002> I can but my ssh session and samba file transfer died
[21:11] <mattwj2002> before the hdmi died too
[21:11] <mattwj2002> this time I didn't have the hdmi connected up
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> have you tried switching it off and back on again? (with the bare minimum plugged in)
[21:12] <mattwj2002> gordonDrogon: not yet
[21:12] <mattwj2002> if I do that it'll work for a while and then this again
[21:12] * mattwj2002 cries
[21:13] <mattwj2002> gordonDrogon: do you want me to plug in the hdmi and usb keyboard (non wireless)?
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[21:14] <gordonDrogon> just go through the usual debugging - see if it runs with minimal plugged in, then add more and so on.
[21:15] <mattwj2002> okay
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> since you can ssh into it, try with just power and ethernet...
[21:15] <mattwj2002> gordonDrogon: that is what I had before
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> if you have a voltmeter, check the votlage between TP1 and TP2.
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> most Pi problems like this are to do with the power supply.
[21:16] <mattwj2002> let me see if I can find it
[21:16] <vlt> Hello. I'm running raspbian on the Raspberry Pi. I wanted to playback video file. Which player is recommended? (I tested once raspbmc, so I know that full HD h.264 video runs without problems. But how to get this with the default raspbian system?)
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[21:16] <gordonDrogon> and I've seen stuff like the Ethernet dropping out, then coming back due to a bad 5v supply.
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> vlt, the omxplayer command will generally play files without anything else needed.
[21:17] <vlt> gordonDrogon: Thank you
[21:18] <knob> Good afternoon guys =)
[21:18] <mattwj2002> gordonDrogon:
[21:18] <mattwj2002> I have a new .7 A 5V power supply
[21:18] <mattwj2002> is that enough juice?
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> in theory yes- however some cheaper ones struggle to maintain full load. OK for charging, not ok for Pi.
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> do you have a multimeter?
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> or a desktop PC?
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> If you have a desktop PC, try powering the Pi from that.
[21:19] <mattwj2002> what about a netbook?
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> I often power a Pi from a laptop/netbook (old Acer Aspire One works to power 3 Pi's OK)
[21:20] <mattwj2002> okay I'll try that
[21:20] <mattwj2002> :)
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> but a multimeter will let you see if there is a power problem.
[21:21] <knob> n00b question: I want to upload a file from the rPi to my webserver via ftp... yet rPi linux is telling me ftp unknown command
[21:21] <knob> Do I have to install ftp on the rPi?
[21:21] <knob> I mean, I don't want to turn my rPi into an ftp server. That's not it. What I want is to be able to setup a cronjob that will run an ftp upload script
[21:21] <knob> Any thoughts?
[21:21] <knob> any thoughts on the rPi ftp command?
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[21:22] <pksato> knob: need to install ftp client. aptitude install ftp
[21:22] <ShorTie> rPi1 ~ # apt-cache search ftp and take your pick
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[21:22] <pksato> to "standard" ftp client.
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> surprised ftp isn't installed.
[21:23] <knob> Awesome... thanks pksato and ShorTie ... thank you =)
[21:23] <knob> gordonDrogon, yeah... but it's about to work now!
[21:23] <knob> :)
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> seems to be on mine, but I'm not sure if I installed it or not.
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> I mostly use scp though.
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> one issue with standard FTP is providing a password if running it via a cron script.
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[21:24] <gordonDrogon> ncftp can remember sites, usernames and passwords though.
[21:24] <knob> Yup... just ran into that problem
[21:25] <knob> I used to use ftp-upload -h ftpSERVERip etc etc etc
[21:25] <knob> Yet that just error out in the rPi's ftp
[21:25] <knob> Any idea how I can... do this?
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[21:27] <gordonDrogon> pick one of the many FTP client programs to use - I'd suggest ncftp as it can remember passwords, etc.
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> or use scp with keys if your remote site allows it.
[21:27] <knob> Cool :) Will try that now
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[21:33] <knob> gordonDrogon, ncftp looks pretty nifty.
[21:33] <knob> Huge man page... going to see if I can get it to do what I want now =)
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[21:39] <patagonicus> standard ftp should use .netrc for passwords
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[21:43] <Rydekull> Hmm
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[22:23] <vlt> gordonDrogon: Thanks, omxplayer works fine for basic playback.
[22:24] <vlt> Any idea how to get padded black borders for fullscreen video?
[22:24] <vlt> (Looks a bit confusing having the task and title bar in the background.
[22:24] <vlt> )
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a big video expert I'm afraid...
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[23:52] <hwgasdfasdf> Hi, new Pi user, but long time linux user / sysadmin. I just bought some pis a couple days ago, and had one running raspbian, and was taking timelapse pictures with the camera
[23:52] <hwgasdfasdf> sometime overnight, the filesystem completely disappeared, and no ammount of zeroing and re-imaging the sd card will get it to boot now
[23:52] <hwgasdfasdf> it does boot a different sd card, and the busted card works fine in the computer in a USB reader
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