#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-09-02

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:43] <Syliss> thinking of running an irc server on my pi at work
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[0:51] <hwgasdfasdf> not sure if anyone saw my message before about what I guess is sd card corruption
[0:52] <hwgasdfasdf> any ideas? why can I read the files fine on the PC, but the raspi will not boot off that card anymore
[0:54] <Syliss> it happens
[0:54] <piedpiper> hwgasdfasdf: Can you read both partitions of the card ok or just the fat section from windows?
[0:55] <hwgasdfasdf> nope, both
[0:55] <hwgasdfasdf> I don't use windows :)
[0:56] <resolutionary> is there an estimate for the lifetime % reduction when running a ver. B pi in turbo mode?
[0:56] <hwgasdfasdf> also not overclocked or anything
[0:56] <hwgasdfasdf> (if anything I tried underclocking to get a different SD card to work, and it did work better, but still not perfectly)
[0:57] <hwgasdfasdf> with this brand new sd card I bought yesterday (which is on the list of cards verified to work - Patriot LX 8GB class 10), it worked great yesterday
[0:57] <hwgasdfasdf> and now it will not boot
[0:57] <hwgasdfasdf> just red light, no slight green light either
[0:57] <hwgasdfasdf> but another card does boot
[0:59] <plugwash> if there is no green light and nothing on the screen then i'd say something on the boot partition is corrupted
[0:59] <piedpiper> Lucky you not having to use windows :), I haven't had much luck with class10 cards...they have all corrupted eventually. My cheap class 4 & 6 have lasted much longer
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[1:00] <plugwash> i'd reformat the boot partition and fill it with a fresh set of boot files
[1:00] <hwgasdfasdf> i'm zeroing the entire card right now, before I only zeroed the first 2 gb and re-copied the raspbian image
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[1:00] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[1:01] <mattwj2002> wow that is crazy
[1:01] <mattwj2002> bad power :(
[1:01] <hwgasdfasdf> seems to me there's quite a problem with the SD card driver
[1:01] <mattwj2002> but my raspberrypi has been running fine for hours
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[1:02] <mattwj2002> it is even running with my wireless keyboard/mouse
[1:02] <mattwj2002> :P
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[1:03] <piedpiper> I have now switched to the main partition on a HDD for my main server pi...eliminates the problem but no good if your using it outside or remote location I guess
[1:04] <mattwj2002> piedpiper: what type of server are you running a pi on?
[1:04] <mattwj2002> :)
[1:04] <hwgasdfasdf> yeah, the reason i got pis was mainly to have remote ip cameras, so hard drives would not work well
[1:04] <hwgasdfasdf> maybe NFS root would though
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[1:05] * mattwj2002 records hwgasdfasdf
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[1:08] <Syliss> lol
[1:08] <mattwj2002> the NSA records Matt O.o
[1:08] <mattwj2002> :P
[1:09] <hwgasdfasdf> haha
[1:09] <mattwj2002> how is it going Syliss
[1:09] <plugwash> For single function devices read only root may well be an option too
[1:09] <hwgasdfasdf> yeah, definitely need to make everything readonly or tmpfs
[1:09] <hwgasdfasdf> but I just got the thing running yesterday! I thought I'd at least take a timelapse first to try it out for a while (and the timelapse pictures were being saved to an NFS share, not on the SD card)
[1:10] <Syliss> okay so far
[1:11] <mattwj2002> hwgasdfasdf: is this for a company or your own use?
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[1:12] <piedpiper> mattwj2002: Its not all back up and running (only recently killed my last SD and switched to HDD) but I was running http/s, samba, owncloud, couple of other things came & went
[1:13] <mattwj2002> piedpiper: what is owncloud?
[1:14] <mattwj2002> oh nevermind I looked it up
[1:14] <mattwj2002> :)
[1:15] <piedpiper> Learnt a lot setting it up...anything on my main pi is just for fun/learning
[1:16] <mattwj2002> piedpiper: I am playing video off of my mythtv box using openelec
[1:16] <mattwj2002> stuff up to 1080p :D
[1:17] <piedpiper> mattwj2002: yeah i've got another pi with Raspbmc streaming from the first one. That works well but I have to work out DVD from a connected drive & Live TV from a usb tuner
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[1:18] <hwgasdfasdf> mattwj2002: my own use
[1:18] <mattwj2002> piedpiper: mythtv is great
[1:18] <hwgasdfasdf> but to monitor stuff that's very far away, and where I already have a network
[1:18] <mattwj2002> I can record up to 2 TB of porgramming
[1:18] <hwgasdfasdf> so stability is rather important - seems the Pi is not really up to that kind of stability
[1:18] <mattwj2002> which is a few weeks to a month of programming
[1:19] <mattwj2002> hwgasdfasdf: that is cool
[1:19] <piedpiper> mattwj2002: What do you have MythTV running on?
[1:19] <mattwj2002> a desktop :)
[1:19] <mattwj2002> a dual core hp something or other
[1:20] <piedpiper> mattwj2002: See I'd like to try to avoid having another full computer running. I could set up Myth on my main but it uses a ton of power.
[1:21] <mattwj2002> ah
[1:21] <mattwj2002> maybe it would work on a pi
[1:21] <piedpiper> I'll have to look into that. My TV Tuner atm requires a kernel rebuild for RaspBMC which i haven't had time to do yet.
[1:22] <piedpiper> If I can get that to work and then record to a network location I'd be set :)
[1:22] <mattwj2002> piedpiper:
[1:22] <mattwj2002> :O
[1:22] <mattwj2002> http://mythpi.monkeynetwork.fr/
[1:22] <mattwj2002> mythpi!
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[1:25] <piedpiper> interesting...doesn't look like he's got very far but there are quite a few questions on google about it...might give it a try setting it up on this pi. Thanks mattwj2002
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[1:25] <mattwj2002> piedpiper: after further investigation
[1:25] <mattwj2002> mythpi doesn't look available yet
[1:25] <mattwj2002> no problem
[1:25] <mattwj2002> :)
[1:26] <hwgasdfasdf> I don't see how you can run anythin "server-ish" on a pi with it being so unstable - everything that I run as a server needs to be dependable, or needs special hardware, like my phone system, or has 20 sata ports for a storage server
[1:27] <piedpiper> I'd never try running it for anything more than my household but the pi holds up pretty well so far at least for what I have been playing with
[1:27] <mattwj2002> yeah I hear you guys
[1:27] <hwgasdfasdf> what sd card are you using? :)
[1:28] <piedpiper> Its more about learning about the serverish stuff than anything else
[1:28] <hwgasdfasdf> and my server stuff is for my household
[1:28] <hwgasdfasdf> I know not a lot of households have an asterisk server, or a 30TB storage array, but I'm not most people :)
[1:28] <mattwj2002> 30 TB storage array?
[1:28] <hwgasdfasdf> yup :)
[1:28] <mattwj2002> that is a lot of pr0n :P
[1:28] <mattwj2002> jk :D
[1:29] <hwgasdfasdf> not too much porn, mostly bluray rips :)
[1:29] <piedpiper> asterisk is pbx? is that correct?
[1:29] <hwgasdfasdf> yes
[1:29] <piedpiper> I want to look into that next...it was on "my pi to do list"
[1:29] <hwgasdfasdf> when people come over to watch movies, one person said "I knew you had lots of movies, I didn't know you had ALL the movies ever made"
[1:29] <mattwj2002> if I had a 30 TB storage array I would fill it with tv recordings
[1:30] <mattwj2002> :P
[1:30] <hwgasdfasdf> oh, yes, and a fair bit of TV too
[1:30] <hwgasdfasdf> because I record the contribution feeds, which are high bitrate and thus take lots of space
[1:30] <piedpiper> gotta go...time to work...have a good day all
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[1:30] <hwgasdfasdf> there's probably about 5TB of TV recordings
[1:30] <mattwj2002> you too piedpiper
[1:30] <hwgasdfasdf> mostly from PBS and NBC
[1:31] <mattwj2002> what is on nbc?
[1:31] <hwgasdfasdf> the office, until it ended :(
[1:31] <mattwj2002> pbs is good for kids programming
[1:31] <mattwj2002> ah
[1:31] <mattwj2002> hwgasdfasdf: do you like revolution?
[1:31] <hwgasdfasdf> pbs is good for nova / nature / frontline
[1:31] <CeilingKitten> hwgasdfasdf, I was debating setting up asterisk w/ astycrapper script for telemarketers, recommend any lowend equipment fxo fxs ? type things? Also lol at 30SATA ports, is that possible i need something like that =P
[1:31] <hwgasdfasdf> revolution? the tv rip group?
[1:31] <mattwj2002> no
[1:32] <mattwj2002> the show about the power going out!
[1:32] <hwgasdfasdf> oh, didn't watch it
[1:32] <CeilingKitten> revolution the tv show where the Pi was the only working device left on earth o-o
[1:32] <hwgasdfasdf> only saw a couple episodes
[1:32] <mattwj2002> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_%28TV_series%29
[1:32] <CeilingKitten> The Pi did a cameo appearance in one episode
[1:32] <mattwj2002> oh okay
[1:33] <mattwj2002> really?
[1:33] <CeilingKitten> pretty sure that was the show >.>
[1:33] <mattwj2002> oh yeah the one where the google guy fix the ladies leg
[1:33] <mattwj2002> :)
[1:33] <mattwj2002> *fixes
[1:34] <hwgasdfasdf> CeilingKitten: yes, 20 (actually) sata ports is possible - 6 onboard, 2 channel sata card with 5 port multipliers on each port, and one 4 port sata card for the last few bays when I actually got that many drives
[1:34] <mattwj2002> if you have 20 sata drives...you could have 80 TB minus that for raid6
[1:34] <mattwj2002> :)
[1:34] <hwgasdfasdf> http://www.ece.ualberta.ca/~hakman/s_server/
[1:35] <hwgasdfasdf> I don't do raid - no sense wasting space to store movies and tv
[1:35] <hwgasdfasdf> and not all the drives are the same size - I bought drives as I filled them
[1:35] <mattwj2002> ah
[1:35] <hwgasdfasdf> so there's a mix of 1.5TB, 2TB, and now 3TB drives
[1:36] <hwgasdfasdf> and I new server for expansion because that one I've already pulled drives out of to make room for new ones
[1:37] <hwgasdfasdf> thankfully 3TB drives take a while to fill - especially because lots of what gets released now I already downloaded at some point!
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[1:38] <mattwj2002> ::P
[1:38] <CeilingKitten> hwgasdfasdf, ever thought about ZFS? i have a huge number of TB's but i store it on NTFS =| between multiple computers
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[1:39] <CeilingKitten> I was debating consolodating it all onto one giant machine, i keep hearing ZFS will remove duplicates, and has builtin recovery etc,.
[1:40] <Dagger2> do not rely on ZFS deduplication being something you can actually use
[1:41] <Dagger2> it requires /lots/ of memory (gigabytes per terabyte of disk space) and an ability to never reboot
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[1:41] <hwgasdfasdf> yeah, and zfs wasn't anywhere near ready for production use in linux when I started building this box
[1:41] <CeilingKitten> ah =| sounds like its not ready for production usafe lol
[1:42] <Dagger2> zfsonlinux is much better these days
[1:42] <hwgasdfasdf> and I hate solaris - I had to use it on a fileserver at school for a while when i was building this box, and it made me really angry (I'm a grad student, but was also the sysadmin of our network for a while because no one else knew enough to do it)
[1:42] <CeilingKitten> I really want a filesystem where i can tag things, make my own tags like genre, actor, actress, etc,. (not just music, but books, movies etc,.) =|
[1:42] <Dagger2> the problems with dedup aren't because of unreadyness... it's just designed for more expensive machines than you'd ever use at home
[1:43] <Dagger2> you see blog posts from sun engineers testing on machines with 48 GB of RAM... five years ago
[1:43] <CeilingKitten> i've heard of a few Fuse based filesystems but they all sounded really unattractive =s
[1:43] <hwgasdfasdf> I was waiting for bttrfs, but I'm not sure what the status of that is either
[1:43] <CeilingKitten> ah i guess ZFS dedupe is for NSA storage of encrypted files lol
[1:44] <hwgasdfasdf> so instead it's just individual XFS partitions on each drive
[1:44] <Dagger2> ZFS *is* generally amazing though, and I do recommend it
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[1:45] <hwgasdfasdf> kindof a pain in the ass in some ways, and not redundant at all, but it is what it is for now
[1:45] <hwgasdfasdf> no time to fix it until my thesis is done, and maybe after I have a real job that pays some real money
[1:45] <CeilingKitten> Sounds like i'd need a serious upgrade before i can use ZFS lol
[1:46] <Dagger2> it's just that it does have some awkward requirements (no removal of disks from arrays, no expansion of an n-disk raidz vdev to an n+1-disk raidz vdev, a gigabyte or two of memory, a 64-bit kernel and you can't use dedup)
[1:46] <Dagger2> but the commandline tools for interacting with it more than make up for that. they're so much better than lvm/mdadm/etc
[1:47] <Dagger2> plus checksuming, compression, snapshots, zvols etc
[1:47] <hwgasdfasdf> you can't add disks to a raidz?
[1:47] <CeilingKitten> hwgasdfasdf, what kind of case holds 20 sata drives, Best i been able to find is about 8
[1:47] <hwgasdfasdf> did you look at the pictures?
[1:47] <CeilingKitten> =| i have a few drives just plugged in sitting outside the case =|
[1:48] <hwgasdfasdf> one is a Norco, and the other one I bought is a supermicro
[1:48] <CeilingKitten> not yet :o I didnt realise thats what you linked lol
[1:48] <Dagger2> hwgasdfasdf: sadly not. in practice it's not been a problem for me (what am I going to do -- buy new 500gb drives to add to my array?), but it really would be nice to have :/
[1:48] <CeilingKitten> =)
[1:49] <CeilingKitten> I've seen something for linux i think it was mhddfs ?
[1:49] <hwgasdfasdf> Norco RPC-4220
[1:49] <CeilingKitten> it sort of virtual jbod's all your drives into one
[1:49] <CeilingKitten> i might give it a go
[1:49] <hwgasdfasdf> the problem with those is if any drive craps out, usually the whole volume is toast
[1:49] <hwgasdfasdf> that's not acceptable to me
[1:49] <CeilingKitten> Thats a massive computer :o
[1:49] <hwgasdfasdf> if I loose a disk, ok, but not everything
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[1:50] <Firehopper> cee 7/7
[1:50] <Dagger2> hwgasdfasdf: ZFS is very good on that front. losing too many disks temporarily isn't a problem (other than the array hanging), provided you bring them back online at some point
[1:51] <Dagger2> hwgasdfasdf: and single-bit errors during a raidz1 recovery won't lead to massive data loss. at worst they'll lead to one lost block in one file
[1:51] <CeilingKitten> So do you just swap in an identical drive and the array repairs itself and the files?
[1:51] <CeilingKitten> or am i thinking of raid parity ?
[1:51] <CeilingKitten> i thought zfs was fault tolerant too
[1:51] <hwgasdfasdf> haha, that's the way it works in theory
[1:51] <Firehopper> ment for german or french sockets
[1:51] <CeilingKitten> alot of my 1TB drives are dying lately =(
[1:51] <hwgasdfasdf> until the stupid ass sun raid controller loses its mind and goes bezerk!
[1:52] <hwgasdfasdf> then all bets are off
[1:52] <Dagger2> CeilingKitten: you are thinking of raid5. ZFS has an equivalent called raidz1. either can take the loss of one drive
[1:52] <Dagger2> CeilingKitten: there's also raidz2 and z3 which can tolerate 2 or 3 failures
[1:52] <hwgasdfasdf> and you spend hours in the server room at 2am
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[1:53] <CeilingKitten> i got one specifically right now it works great at around the 700GB mark it stops accepting writes from the OS and makes a loud click and disconnects, then reconnects without issues,i diskcheck, mark bad sectors and it all works again for a while >.> im in the middle of trying to move all my files off of it im sure it will die completely soon, im not sure if its the drive or sata adapter but i'll figure that out after i sav
[1:53] <CeilingKitten> e my files lol
[1:53] <hwgasdfasdf> I always thought I wanted to get my hands on those sun disk arrays at school/work when they were replaced, until I saw it fail, and fail miserably
[1:54] <hwgasdfasdf> and it even had redundant controllers, and it still horked horribly
[1:54] <CeilingKitten> its sata over usb though maybe im breaking the 480mbps bottleneck and crashing it o-o
[1:54] <hwgasdfasdf> no, if the disk is clicking, it's done
[1:54] <hwgasdfasdf> get your stuff off it as fast as possible
[1:54] <mattwj2002> crap
[1:54] <mattwj2002> :(
[1:55] <mattwj2002> my raspberrypi locked up AGAIN
[1:55] <mattwj2002> :(
[1:55] <hwgasdfasdf> probably the SD card!
[1:55] <mattwj2002> why do you say that?
[1:56] <hwgasdfasdf> because in my entire experience of using pi's (2 days), any time anything doesn't work properly, it's always the SD card
[1:56] <CeilingKitten> such luck my secondary laptop (junk server) drive died too, and its sata on disk >_> not even regular sata it looks like a comb of interlocking fins =| no one has replacement drives lol
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[1:57] <hwgasdfasdf> usually those laptop drives have a thin board to switch between one connector and another - you just yank that board off and there's a standard connector behind it
[1:57] <CeilingKitten> =) SD Cards and bad powersupplies are tied for #1 cause of all failures on raspberrypis
[1:57] <hwgasdfasdf> at least thats the way it is on laptop cdrom drives
[1:57] <mattwj2002> CeilingKitten: it is possible I guess
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[1:58] <hwgasdfasdf> speaking of that, my zeroing of 8GB of sdcard is done, now I can copy the image back to it and watch it still not boot
[1:59] <mattwj2002> I could buy a 32 GB sd card for about $20
[1:59] <mattwj2002> class 10 even
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[2:01] <mattwj2002> it makes sense it could be the sd card
[2:01] <mattwj2002> because usually when it fails I am transferring to the card
[2:01] <mattwj2002> :)
[2:02] <ShiftPlusOne> mattwj2002, only if you're 100% sure your tp1-tp2 voltage is good.
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[2:03] <mattwj2002> ShiftPlusOne: I am not sure where my meter is at the moment
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[2:08] <hwgasdfasdf> I don't even see how you could see a problem with a regular meter
[2:08] <mattwj2002> guys I might have found the problem!
[2:08] <mattwj2002> :D
[2:09] <mattwj2002> see my SD card is actually a microsd card
[2:09] <mattwj2002> with a converter
[2:09] <mattwj2002> well
[2:09] <mattwj2002> I tried a different microsd card and I got an error on my laptop
[2:09] <hwgasdfasdf> there could be a very fast voltage dip that a regular meter wouldn't even see - need a meter with a fast min/max/avg mode, or a scope with glich capture
[2:09] <mattwj2002> I changed out the converter and it works fine now
[2:09] <ShiftPlusOne> hwgasdfasdf, it's rarely transient issues. Usually it's a steady low voltage.
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[2:10] <hwgasdfasdf> oh
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[2:11] <hwgasdfasdf> you sure it isn't a transient problem on the 3.3V from that regulator perhaps? I was thinking about that, but haven't actually looked at it yet
[2:11] <hwgasdfasdf> I know 5V isn't a problem for me - I'm using a lab power supply that can do 3A on 5V
[2:12] <hwgasdfasdf> yet my sd card didn't last 24 hours
[2:12] <ShiftPlusOne> corrupted?
[2:13] <hwgasdfasdf> I guess - it was running, then all filesystems disappeared, no command executables could be found, and on reboot, just a red light
[2:13] <ShiftPlusOne> And you're not overclocking?
[2:13] <hwgasdfasdf> yet I can read both the filesystems in linux just fine
[2:13] <hwgasdfasdf> nope
[2:14] <ShiftPlusOne> If you're providing 5v from a bench supply, I don't see why the 3.3v regulator would be problematic, since it's just a linear regulator and seems to have sufficient filtering on it.
[2:15] <hwgasdfasdf> originally I was using a 8GB class 6 card that was even worse, and underclocking to 500Mhz helped, but it was still unstable with any writes
[2:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Tried different brands of sd cards?
[2:15] <hwgasdfasdf> yes, I even took my laptop and a PI to the store to test out sd cards when i bought them, and it worked fine for the first few hours
[2:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Probably don't need to ask, but you're running the recent raspbian image?
[2:15] <hwgasdfasdf> and got one that was on the list of supposedly good cards
[2:16] <hwgasdfasdf> downloaded a couple days ago yes
[2:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, for some reason this only seems to happen to some people and I haven't figured out what's the problem.
[2:17] <hwgasdfasdf> well, it does seem to be taking a bit longer than usual to write the image to the card now
[2:17] <hwgasdfasdf> after I zeroed it completely with dd
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[2:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I have never had a corrupted SD card from a pi, regardless of what I do with it. I know that's the case for most people. Yet reports of cases exactly like yours are quite common too. I wonder if it's a manufacturing flaw.
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[2:18] <hwgasdfasdf> with the card? or the pi?
[2:18] <ShiftPlusOne> the pi
[2:18] <hwgasdfasdf> I have 5 pis I can test with
[2:18] <hwgasdfasdf> but I'm guessing they'd all be from the same lot
[2:19] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: maybe. honestly, one would have to try. but compressing fast enough to keep up with dialup isn';t too hard with a modern CPU.
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[2:19] <ShiftPlusOne> hwgasdfasdf, I think if it was an issue that affected entire lots, it would be noticed by the manufacturers
[2:19] <IPv4-is-arsehatd> Sorry bout the bad nickname
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[2:20] <hwgasdfasdf> wow, that was slow, 1.5MB/s writing to a class 10 card? WTF
[2:20] <hwgasdfasdf> now, will it boot?
[2:21] <hwgasdfasdf> nope, doesn't boot in 2 different pis
[2:21] <hwgasdfasdf> like the card completely crapped out
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[2:36] * mattwj2002 play with his pi
[2:36] <mattwj2002> :D
[2:36] <mattwj2002> on an old analog tv
[2:37] <mattwj2002> well....kind of analog
[2:37] <mattwj2002> it is a CRT
[2:37] <mattwj2002> it has a digital tuner
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[2:40] <hwgasdfasdf> I wonder why the write speed of this card dropped so much
[2:40] <sney> sd cards die
[2:40] <sney> it happens
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> SD cards are like very, very retarded ssds.
[2:42] <mattwj2002> :P
[2:42] <mattwj2002> how retarded are they?
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[2:42] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: I'm using bzip2 for the general data version of 'Modem based digital voice specification', and Opus for the voice part of the same.
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[2:44] <mattwj2002> in a jimmy carlson voice
[2:44] <Twist-> I wish they'd put a bloody sata port on the Pi, or at least allowed USB boot
[2:44] <mattwj2002> *johnny
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[2:45] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: it's all about CPU speed at this point :)
[2:45] <Firehopper> twist, one of the reasons I preorded a udoo quad
[2:45] <mattwj2002> what is an udoo quad?
[2:45] * mattwj2002 googles it
[2:46] <hwgasdfasdf> sney: sd cards maybe die, but I'd hope not within 24 hours of the first use
[2:46] <PhotoJim> a defective card could
[2:46] <PhotoJim> they tend to fail fast or last a long time
[2:46] <hwgasdfasdf> the files can be read fine in linux though
[2:46] <hwgasdfasdf> so wtf
[2:47] <hwgasdfasdf> but the pi won't boot anymore from the card
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[2:47] <hwgasdfasdf> wonder if this stupid windows only sd card formatting program actually does anything useful
[2:47] <mattwj2002> wow
[2:47] <mattwj2002> the udoo quad looks awesome
[2:47] <sney> sd card formatting program ...
[2:47] <Twist-> Firehopper: I hadn't heard of those.. my immediate reaction is that they're too expensive.
[2:47] <mattwj2002> it comes with built in wifi?
[2:48] <hwgasdfasdf> sney: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/
[2:48] <ShiftPlusOne> hwgasdfasdf, swearing, even abbreviated or *'ed, isn't really appropriate in this channel (check the channel rules). =/
[2:48] <sney> yikes. just use win32 disk imager
[2:49] <sney> or write the image with cat or dd. weird 3rd party utilities can make stuff act up
[2:49] <sney> I still think your sd card is hosed but at least try preparing it normally before you give up
[2:50] <mattwj2002> I think my sdcard adapter is hosed
[2:50] <mattwj2002> luckily I have another one
[2:50] <mattwj2002> :)
[2:51] <Twist-> Problem with being north of $100 is that you're competing with actual PC hardware
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[2:52] <mattwj2002> good point Twist-
[2:52] <Firehopper> it is a bit pricey thouggh
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[2:53] <Firehopper> but with quad cpu, and wifi, and sata port :)
[2:53] <Firehopper> I think its worth it
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[2:54] <Twist-> Firehopper: I'm not sure what use case they're targeting with that thing.
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[2:54] <hwgasdfasdf> sney: the only thing I've used up to now is dd, and the write speed has dropped dramatically
[2:55] <sney> card's probably toast
[2:55] <mattwj2002> hwgasdfasdf: do you have another sdcard?
[2:55] <hwgasdfasdf> yeah, all the same though :(
[2:55] <hwgasdfasdf> I bought 5 of them to go with the 5 pis
[2:55] <mattwj2002> :(
[2:55] <hwgasdfasdf> and one other one that doesn't work at all even for reads
[2:55] <mattwj2002> you got the sham
[2:56] <hwgasdfasdf> my old camera uses XD cards, not SD, and I actually don't have any other devices that use SD cards, so i don't have many of them kicking around
[2:56] <hwgasdfasdf> I do have a micro sd card for a gumstix around somewhere
[2:56] <hwgasdfasdf> but it's so small, most of the time it's lost, even if I remember where it is!
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[2:56] <mattwj2002> you have 5 pis?
[2:56] <mattwj2002> O.o
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[2:57] <hwgasdfasdf> yeah, and 5 cameras
[2:57] <hwgasdfasdf> and 5 cases ...
[2:57] <mattwj2002> I wish I had another pi
[2:57] <hwgasdfasdf> these were supposed to work good - they run linux after all
[2:57] <hwgasdfasdf> so far it's been rather frustrating
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[2:58] <sney> the sd card is a good idea for booting because they're so cheap, but it's wise to keep anything important on either usb or network volumes
[2:58] <sney> because the sd card is also slow, and they die
[2:58] <hwgasdfasdf> I was already doing that
[2:58] <hwgasdfasdf> it died while taking a timelapse, but the pictures were going to an NFS share
[2:59] <mattwj2002> timelapse?
[2:59] <mattwj2002> what is that?
[2:59] <sney> make sure your power supply is sufficient and try another sd card from a different make
[2:59] <hwgasdfasdf> where you take a picture every x seconds or miliseconds
[2:59] <mattwj2002> oh okay
[2:59] <hwgasdfasdf> ugh: I'm using a lab bench power supply (3A) and I use linux - i hate answering the "yes, I'm not a noob" questions over and over again
[3:00] <hwgasdfasdf> there are some people around that can read things first, have actual test equipmnt, and aren't windows drones you know
[3:00] <sney> you haven't done the latter though
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[3:01] <hwgasdfasdf> sney: huh? what haven't I done
[3:01] <sney> sney> make sure your power supply is sufficient and try another sd card from a different make
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[3:01] <sney> as in, not that weird batch of 5 that isn't cutting it
[3:01] <sney> change a variable.
[3:02] <hwgasdfasdf> well, considering I don't have any other sd cards at the moment, and it's sunday night on a long weekend, there isn't much I can really do at this point
[3:02] <sney> ok. that's still the next step unless anyone else has an idea
[3:03] <Firehopper> hwgasdfasdf, do you have a walmart? :)
[3:03] <hwgasdfasdf> yeah
[3:03] <Firehopper> they sell em and some are open 24/7
[3:04] <Firehopper> if your desperate :)
[3:04] <mattwj2002> no all walmarts are 24/7
[3:04] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:04] <Firehopper> prices arent too bad
[3:04] <hwgasdfasdf> yeah, I know, but I'm not that desparate yet
[3:04] <Firehopper> mattwj2002, some of the ones here are not 24/7
[3:04] <hwgasdfasdf> no, the one here isn't 24/7 anymore
[3:04] <hwgasdfasdf> it used to be
[3:04] <hwgasdfasdf> or only is in december or something
[3:05] <Firehopper> nearly all supercenters are
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[3:05] <Firehopper> they close one day a year.. xmas
[3:05] <hwgasdfasdf> not in canada
[3:05] <Firehopper> I used to work there..
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[3:05] <Firehopper> pay wasnt bad.. managment. on the other hand..
[3:06] <Firehopper> I miss the people I used to work with.. dont miss the managers..
[3:06] <Firehopper> I miss the big fat paychecks.
[3:06] <mattwj2002> haha
[3:06] <mattwj2002> you mean customers?
[3:06] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:07] <Firehopper> eh. customers werent too bad either
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[3:07] <Firehopper> but now I work at a local grocery store. only 4 miles from my house :)
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[3:07] <mattwj2002> I meant big fat customers
[3:07] <Firehopper> pay isnt super.. but not too bad..
[3:07] <mattwj2002> assuming you are talking about in America
[3:07] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:07] <Firehopper> eh, I didnt have much problems with those customers
[3:08] <Firehopper> the ones I had issue with is the idiots buying a patio set and want to try and fit it in a tiny car..
[3:08] <Firehopper> I mean, WTF people
[3:08] <hwgasdfasdf> or what about TVs
[3:09] <mattwj2002> http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/
[3:09] <hwgasdfasdf> I know a 55" only fits in a fairly large car if you take it out of the box!
[3:09] <hwgasdfasdf> learned that in a walmart parking lot!
[3:09] <Firehopper> tvs usually fit in cars if you remove the box :)
[3:10] <Firehopper> thats how I got my 32inch lcd :)
[3:11] <Firehopper> I still remember when we had 32" tube tvs.. someone had a geo and wanted ti fit a 32inch tube tv.. that was funny :)
[3:17] <mattwj2002> does anyone else think that home automation in particular that has cameras inside of the home is freaky?
[3:18] <Twist-> meh
[3:18] <Twist-> openelec is kind of a pain in the ass to install
[3:18] <hwgasdfasdf> freaky how?
[3:19] <mattwj2002> hwgasdfasdf: freaky may be the wrong word
[3:19] <mattwj2002> how about just a bad idea
[3:19] <Twist-> mattwj2002: privacy's gone.
[3:19] <hwgasdfasdf> because someone is going to hack your cameras and watch you watching youtube?
[3:19] <Twist-> You can try fighting the trend if you want
[3:20] <mattwj2002> why would a person purposely put a security up in their house is beyond me....I could see outside of the house but inside?
[3:21] <hwgasdfasdf> you mean cameras specifically, or any security?
[3:21] <hwgasdfasdf> tons of people have security systems, and I don't necessarily get that either
[3:21] <mattwj2002> cameras specifically
[3:21] <hwgasdfasdf> all you really need is some stickers from the security companies - just as good as actually having security
[3:22] <mattwj2002> if I want to walk around in my birthday suit.....I don't want to worry about someone spying on me
[3:22] <mattwj2002> :)
[3:22] <hwgasdfasdf> if someone wants to spy, I say go for it
[3:22] <hwgasdfasdf> see if I care
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[3:23] <mattwj2002> I agree privacy is gone
[3:23] <mattwj2002> but why give up more of it?
[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> You people have a strange concept or privacy O_o
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[3:23] <mattwj2002> explain ShiftPlusOne?
[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> having your own cameras in your own home is a violation of your privacy?
[3:24] <mattwj2002> ShiftPlusOne: no you misunderstand me
[3:24] <Twist-> There are viable use cases.. recording the babysitter has caught incidents of child abuse, etc.
[3:24] <hwgasdfasdf> you can also do some pretty cool stuff with openCV and automatic recognition
[3:24] <Twist-> Having a video record of a home invasion would be helpful
[3:24] <ShiftPlusOne> mattwj2002, what's the issue then?
[3:25] <mattwj2002> why would I put up a security inside of my home that the security company (and other people) could tap into
[3:25] <hwgasdfasdf> at least if it's your security, you can make it as secure as you choose
[3:25] <hwgasdfasdf> it's not that hard to make it prohibitively difficult for others to get into
[3:25] <Twist-> mattwj2002: It wouldn't have to be connected to the internet
[3:25] <ShiftPlusOne> mattwj2002, I am not sure why you would give a security company access O_o
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[3:26] <Twist-> mattwj2002: But it sounds like the correct answer here is "you wouldn't. Others might."
[3:26] <mattwj2002> well I was just talking about these commericals I see on tv
[3:26] <mattwj2002> watch your kids arrive home from your cell phone.....etc
[3:26] <hwgasdfasdf> oh
[3:26] <mattwj2002> good point Twist-
[3:26] <hwgasdfasdf> because what other new tech does security have to entice new business
[3:27] <hwgasdfasdf> yeah, it's completely different when it's a security company doing it
[3:27] <hwgasdfasdf> I thought you meant when you do it yourself
[3:27] <mattwj2002> no no
[3:27] <mattwj2002> sorry I wasn't clear
[3:27] <mattwj2002> :)
[3:28] <mattwj2002> I must just be getting old
[3:28] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:28] <mattwj2002> I'll be 32 this month!
[3:28] <hwgasdfasdf> heh, I'm catching up - i'm 30
[3:29] <ShiftPlusOne> mattwj2002, I am not sure that that's a privacy issue. If people voluntarily give access to something, then that's their own concern.
[3:29] <hwgasdfasdf> that's a scarry number
[3:29] <mattwj2002> ShiftPlusOne: your probably right....the only thing is how many people install it not knowing who may have access to it
[3:29] <Firehopper> bleah. you guys make me feel old :>
[3:29] <mattwj2002> 32?
[3:29] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:29] <ShiftPlusOne> hwgasdfasdf, why? that's almost 2^5
[3:29] <Firehopper> < 43
[3:30] <mattwj2002> it is like that Taylor Swift song....I am feeling 32
[3:30] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:32] * PhotoJim wishes he were still 32
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[3:32] <mattwj2002> PhotoJim: how old?
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[3:33] <ShiftPlusOne> mattwj2002, if they don't know, then maybe they don't care. Also, is there a reason to think that anybody actually accesses such systems without permission? If so, does it happen often enough to be a concern. Though I see the flaw with that logic (why tolerate a framework where the possibility of abuse is built in).
[3:34] <hwgasdfasdf> heh, is that the same argument the NSA uses?
[3:35] <hwgasdfasdf> and if the NSA has some high school dropouts with access to that much info, how good is the screening some lame security company does when they hire people, and how good is their access control
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[3:37] <hwgasdfasdf> hmm, I wonder if I go for a bikeride to walmart, and pick up a random sd card, what are the chances it's going to actually work, considering about 40% of them in the list don't
[3:37] <hwgasdfasdf> apparantly even the ones that other people claim do work!
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne> and maybe those would be good questions to answer before getting all dramatic about it.
[3:37] <sney> my production pi is currently using a regular normal class 10 Sandisk that I got at futureshop
[3:38] <sney> I imagine wal-mart would carry thoese too
[3:38] <sney> it's blue.
[3:38] <hwgasdfasdf> futureshop is actually just across the parking lot
[3:38] <hwgasdfasdf> but I hate that place with a passion
[3:38] <CeilingKitten> ^ lol same
[3:38] <mattwj2002> hwgasdfasdf: how can you get to it though?
[3:38] <sney> whatever it's just best buy with a red sign
[3:38] <mattwj2002> it is in the future
[3:38] <sney> it is exactly what you'd expect
[3:39] <mattwj2002> ;)
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
[3:39] <mattwj2002> ShiftPlusOne:
[3:39] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:39] <hwgasdfasdf> except future shop and best buy will sell the same thing, and future shop just charges more
[3:39] <sney> regardless, those sandisk cards are everywhere and my experience says they work.
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne> mattwj2002, you wait a second, I suppose.
[3:39] <mattwj2002> I guess it depends how far into the future
[3:39] <hwgasdfasdf> and I've had a bad experience with bestbuy, so I don't imagine that future shop is any different
[3:39] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:39] <CeilingKitten> hwgasdfasdf, I got a bunch of brandless, + some kingston, sandisk, lexar, and a few others they all seem to work so far all except one =|
[3:40] <mattwj2002> best buy has really pushy sellsmen
[3:40] <CeilingKitten> futuresho pi scommissioned? best buy wasnt last i checked
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> mattwj2002, given the delay between physical reality, perception and cognition, I think the name is justified.
[3:40] <CeilingKitten> dont know why they would be pushy
[3:40] <hwgasdfasdf> my problem is more with the hand picked display TV models that don't have the flaws the ones you actually buy do
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> mattwj2002, actually, by that logic, it should be pastshop, my mistake.
[3:41] <CeilingKitten> ^ lol that and they put the cables through splitters etc,. to demo you the "average cable" and why its not as good as their 120$ hdmi cable lol
[3:41] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:41] <CeilingKitten> =| sneaky buggers
[3:41] <mattwj2002> hdmi cables
[3:41] <hwgasdfasdf> hah, if you buy cables in places like that, you either have an abundance of money, a shortage of brains, or both!
[3:42] <mattwj2002> one word
[3:42] <mattwj2002> monoprice
[3:42] <hwgasdfasdf> yup
[3:42] <CeilingKitten> *Shrugs* as long as the cable meets specs, and you dont have like an EMP next to your tv there shouldnt be any fancy need for 120$ worth of fake shielding and gold tips, or the the warranty life time replacement i'd rather have 4 cables, and 100$ in my pocket lol xD
[3:43] <hwgasdfasdf> and now they carry nice cheap outdoor camera enclosures too - perfect for some raspberry pi camers, if I can ever find sd cards that are reliable
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[3:56] <PhotoJim> mattwj2002: just turned 46 three weeks ago
[3:56] <mattwj2002> congrats PhotoJim
[3:56] <mattwj2002> :)
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[4:08] <j4jackj> x x/win 16
[4:09] <mattwj2002> huh?
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[4:28] <UnaClocker> I'm having trouble getting/installing Wayland/Weston on my Pi.. Anyone running it?
[4:28] <UnaClocker> Is there a distro with it already setup?
[4:28] <ShiftPlusOne> raspbian
[4:28] <ShiftPlusOne> you should be able to run weston-launch (or was it launch-weston)?
[4:28] <UnaClocker> Ahh, my Raspbian is really out of date then..
[4:29] <UnaClocker> I'll go download the latest image and do a fresh install.
[4:29] <ShiftPlusOne> You can't just install it from the repos?
[4:29] <UnaClocker> As I said, I'm having trouble doing that.
[4:30] <UnaClocker> "weston: Depends: libwayland0 (>= 1.0.90) but 0.85.0-2 is to be installed"
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[4:31] <UnaClocker> Then it errors out, unable to correct problems.
[4:33] <UnaClocker> Nah, raspberrypi.org's Wheezy still uses LXDE.. Definitely not Weston.. Such a massive performance increase, I gotta have it! :)
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[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I wonder if it's actually usable as a replacement for X yet.
[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> (so report back >.>)
[4:35] * johnc- hits mono
[4:36] <johnc-> just can not get this thing to compile
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[4:48] <johnc-> grr, the xaml deserializer is a little weird on mono
[4:49] <johnc-> probably just doing things in a different order I suppose
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[4:56] <Coburn> what distro is the best XBMC for R-Pi and what version is the latest?
[4:57] <Coburn> I'm asking because I have a potiental client
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> there is no best, only different. Options to look at are OpenElec, xbian and raspbmc
[4:57] <UnaClocker> Coburn: I use RaspBMC, and it self updates when it installs.
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[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> each has slightly different use cases, so that will determine which one you are after.
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[5:12] <Coburn> I've used RaspBMC in the past and it shat itself
[5:12] <Coburn> even the Windows SD Card Imager for RaspBMC failed to work properly
[5:12] <Coburn> said done and wrote a dummy file to the SD
[5:13] <UnaClocker> Sweet, that narrows down the list for you.
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[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Coburn, 1) language >=/ 2)openelec runs from a read only root file system and only lets you install addons and change the settings through their menu, so you can't use it as a general purpose OS 3) raspbmc is somewhere in the middle, you can mess with the filesystem, but it doesn't work well as a general purpose OS. 4) I haven't used xbian, but from what I gather, it's like raspbian with xbmc i
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> nstalled and actively maintained and tweaked.
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[5:16] <sraue> http://www.linuxplained.com/overclocked-openelec-vs-xbian-raspberry-pi/
[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> I am surprised that xbian fares so closely. I'd expect openelec to boot much faster.
[5:20] <sraue> yeah xbian is not bad... but openelec is a bit better :-) most time spent on boot is for xbmc startup, there is nothing to improve from the OS side
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[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> no bias or anything 'course =P
[5:21] <sraue> read the second page, there is the real improvenment in the new OpenELEC versions :-)
[5:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I skimmed through it
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[6:45] <UnaClocker> I wonder why they never finished the Pi version of Minecraft.. It's still sitting at the pre-release experimental version.. sooo many bugs in that thing.
[6:49] <nsgn> UnaClocker, probably a bit complicated considering the state of graphics on the pi
[6:50] <UnaClocker> Yes, but the USB hub doesn't get that hot on the newer Pi's.
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[6:51] <nsgn> UnaClocker, ?? that isnt what the graphics issue is..
[6:51] <UnaClocker> ?? Lack of graphics drivers don't cause software bugs. They make video slow to update. You stated something irrellevant, I replied in kind.
[6:52] <nsgn> Cute
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[6:54] <[Saint]> Wow...
[6:55] <[Saint]> I thought that conversation didn't make any sense because I dropped out for a second.
[6:55] <UnaClocker> ;)
[6:55] <nsgn> No it pretty much was just what you saw
[6:55] <[Saint]> But, nope, it doesn't make any sense in the logs either. :)
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[6:58] <[Saint]> anyway - fwiw, lack of drivers may well be inconsequential, poorly implemented or incomplete drivers however...
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[6:59] <nsgn> Having some fun there?
[7:01] <[Saint]> heaps. :-S
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[7:02] <[Saint]> And, of course, my telco is blaming *me* for it...
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[7:02] <nsgn> always
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[8:22] <grim> i just installed rasbian from the installer for the second time now, and every time it finishes and reboots, I get no video. This is on a rev 2 model b
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[8:22] <grim> any thoughts?
[8:22] <grim> ah sorry, didn't realize there was a raspbian channel, heading there ;)
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[8:48] <gordonDrogon> morning...
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[10:43] <tig|> 'nings
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[11:37] <bts__> ahoy
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[11:40] <vadmeste> Hello everybody. Could anyone tell me how can I be sure that I have the 512Mb of Raspberry-PI when looking at RPI board ?
[11:41] <ShiftPlusOne> You can tell by the markings on the chip in the middle
[11:41] <ShorTie> does in have 2 holes in it ??
[11:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know the codes off the top of my head, but you can google it.
[11:42] <queretaro> vadmeste: if it's a new model B (512MB of RAM) your board will have two holes surrounded by a golden ring, as ShorTie pointed out
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> check the chip - or power it up. if it's a Model B (2 USB + Ethernet) and it has 2 holes then it will have 512MB.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> Models A's also have the 2 holes, but only 1 USB and no Ethernet and only 256MB.
[11:43] <ShiftPlusOne> You can have a 512 without the mounting holes as well, so that's not reliable
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[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think there are any 256mb with mounting holes though, so... fair enough.
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[11:46] <bts__> what do you think, what's the simplest way to connect bare-metal raspberry system with ubuntu-based notebook? on bad notebooks don't have gpio nor spi, maybe usb?
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> serial
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[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> notebook's usb port > serial to usb adapter > pi
[11:48] <patagonicus> Ethernet is also very easy.
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> is bare metal ethernet really easy?
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> that already implies USB
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think that's easy at all
[11:50] <bts__> ShiftPlusOne: wouldn't it be simplier to use usb<->usb? I haven't yet studied usb documentation, just wondering
[11:50] <patagonicus> Ah, thought bare-metal RPi just meant out of the box. Yeah, ethernet is pretty hard, serial is great.
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> usb to usb wouldn't be easy at all, since you'll have two devices running in host mode =/
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know what that chadderz usb driver thing is like, but I suspect it's only meant for simple things like the keyboard.
[11:54] <bts__> hm... and if I connected usb data pins to gpio (without using actual usb port on Pi) and then pretended to be a device?
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> afaik, usb is more complicated than that, but I don't know anything about it.
[11:55] <mgottschlag> that is doable... if you REALLY know what you do
[11:55] <Jck_True> There's been a few posts on the forum about running the Model A as a USB slave... Not sure how far it is
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Sounds like a timing nightmare though
[11:55] <mgottschlag> indeed
[11:56] <mgottschlag> the common example for software based usb is the atmega vusb stuff
[11:56] <mgottschlag> and the code is horrible
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> in other words... serial.
[11:56] <Jck_True> Or what about a cheap LAN<->USB adapter?
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> how does that help?
[11:57] <Jck_True> Gets you SSH?
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> ... bare metal
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[11:58] <Jck_True> my bad - I gotta start reading everything :)
[11:58] <mgottschlag> actually, I still want to try software-VGA through GPIO -.-
[11:59] <bts__> ok, thanks for these advices; if you say it's horrible, probably it would be hardly possible for me to code that
[12:00] <mgottschlag> it would be totally impossible for almost everyone around here :D
[12:00] <mgottschlag> but... it would probably be interesting :D
[12:01] <Jck_True> mgottschlag: From what I've been reading about the USB specs... it WOULDN*T be interresting :)
[12:01] <bts__> especially because there are only two wires, data+ and data-...
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[12:02] <Xark> mgottschlag: Yes, sounds crazy, but fun. Have you seen this http://hackaday.com/2011/05/10/bit-banging-vga-from-an-sd-card-slot/ ?
[12:03] <mgottschlag> wtf :D
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I remember that. Didn't realise it was through an SD card slot
[12:04] <mgottschlag> this is pretty awesome
[12:04] <Xark> ShiftPlusOne: I guess GPIO is GPIO. :)
[12:05] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> at 3.3v
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, am I remembering wrong, or did you bitbang vga on a pi at some stage?
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> not me. I'd not even dream of it.
[12:06] <Xark> I got a 1K 40Mhz 8051 to generate VGA, so I am sure the Pi could (as long as you can disable interrupts - or otherwise maintain timing). 8051 -> http://imgur.com/a/Jtr2C#2
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Ok, I wasn't sure if that I made up or something that happened
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> I did mention the fignition board a while back though - it's an ATmega bit-banging composite lowish resulution video
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> Xark, your 8051 has static ram and guaranteed timings. the Pi has neither.
[12:07] <chris_99> unless you wrote your own OS, or somehow hacked the kernel
[12:07] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah, if RAM referesh is not deterministic, then that is a problem.
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> the gpio speed is limited by the 19.2MHz clock too.
[12:08] <mgottschlag> hm, the pi should have somewhat guaranteed timings if the program is run on bare metal - one just has to be *very* careful to stay inside L1 cache :)
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, all bets are off if you access main memory though...
[12:08] <mgottschlag> yeah, indeed
[12:09] <mgottschlag> hm, the pi's DMA cannot write to GPIO, can it?
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> there is some trick you can do with DMA and GPIO - I think servoblaster uses it, but I've not studied it in detail yet.
[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> So... stupid question time. What's the point of DMA? How does it differ from accessing things normally (not just that it's faster)?
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[12:11] <mgottschlag> it probably has some kind of buffer somewhere, so it might get around memory access delays
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[12:11] <mgottschlag> and it doesn't block the CPU :)
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> on the contrary - it will block the cpu
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> it all depends on the memory bandwidth avalable.
[12:13] <mgottschlag> well, it will block the CPU for much shorter durations than if the CPU did the bit banging
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> the point is that the hardware can transfer data to/from a peripheral without needing to code it on the cpu - which in most cases can be faster - and you gain in the cpu doesn't need to access memory while the dma happens -e.g. running in cache, or with a fast memory system.
[12:13] <ShiftPlusOne> So you get an interrupt when the buffer is empty or something?
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> in most scenarios,yes.
[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Alright, that helps thanks. I've been avoiding using it, since I don't quite get it, but I should probably give it a go.
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> good luck :)
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> and time for coffee I think!
[12:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I understand how to use it with bare metal. But what about when you're running an OS? Does linux automatically use DMA when it can?
[12:16] <ShiftPlusOne> (Or is it handled by the compiler? Or does it need to be done by the application?)
[12:17] <mgottschlag> linux has to manage access to the DMA unit, and it only supports DMA for devices where such support has been developed (= everything important)
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[12:17] <mgottschlag> I don't know whether there is any generic DMA userspace interface though, I doubt it
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> got it, thanks
[12:18] <mgottschlag> *DMA units
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> yea, poke the hardware directly :)
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> and hope Linux doesn't notice...
[12:26] <vadmeste> thanks everybody
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[12:36] <snoshers> I'm trying to access my rpi's files on Ubuntu (live CD) but it is saying I don't have permission how can I change this?
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[12:37] <tig|> snoshers: via a gui or command line?
[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne> How are you accessing the files? Just automounted and through the file manager?
[12:37] <tig|> try just sudoing up
[12:37] <snoshers> Gui
[12:37] <tig|> open a console and do sudo -s for command line
[12:37] <tig|> or sudo nautilus to get a superuser priv. gui
[12:37] <snoshers> k
[12:38] <tig|> anything then launched through that nautilus session should also have sudo privs
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[12:41] <snoshers> It says it wants user sharing
[12:42] <snoshers> I think thwer
[12:42] <snoshers> ignore that
[12:45] <snoshers> Nautilus wants user sharing?
[12:45] <snoshers> I think
[12:45] <snoshers> Sorry my irc clients terrible
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[12:57] <Ice_Strike> I am trying to get tightvnc to work, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/eEpEtbhw
[12:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd start by running which tightvncserver, then looking at it with a text editor to see why the syntax error occurs. I am guessing it's a small wrapper script that sets things up before running the main binary.
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[13:03] <Ice_Strike> ShiftPlusOne I just done normal install via apt-get
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[13:04] <ShiftPlusOne> That's what I assumed
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[13:26] <Ice_Strike> ShiftPlusOne I am still having problem trying to get it to work :/
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[13:44] <Ice_Strike> "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 13 not upgraded."
[13:44] <Ice_Strike> Why 13 not upgraded?
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[13:50] <Dagger2> upgrading those packages would involve installing new packages or removing packages you have installed
[13:50] <Dagger2> `apt-get dist-upgrade` will allow it to do that
[13:50] <Ice_Strike> thx
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[14:04] <Ice_Strike> I managed to get tightvnc working and I can connect it via vnc viwer
[14:04] <Ice_Strike> but it is not showing on the screen when I do something on the vnc viwer ?
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[14:05] <Jck_True> Ice_Strike: Tried clicking on anything? Mouse movements aren't sent
[14:06] <Ice_Strike> I can click on anything on vnc viwer yes and I opened a terminal
[14:06] <Ice_Strike> but not appearing on the tv screen odd.
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[14:08] <Jck_True> That does sound strange... But the terminal is on you VNC window? :|
[14:08] <hifi> that's probably vnc server having its own X desktop
[14:08] <hifi> damn I hate people who cross post questions on both channels
[14:13] <Ice_Strike> Jck_True Yes
[14:13] <Ice_Strike> hifi How to prevent that?
[14:14] <hifi> use a different vnc server that attaches to your current desktop
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[14:16] <Ice_Strike> which one
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[14:19] <\\Mr_C\\> http://nextmicrosoftceo.com/
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[15:13] <vlt> Hello. Is there a way to get Firewire into a Raspberry Pi?
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[15:15] <tig|> vlt: maybe with some kind of usb adaptor but it would be very slow
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[16:11] <eval-> I had an "I/O error, dev sda, sector 596534911", then "Aborting journal" and "JBD2: Error -5 detected when updating journal superblock" followed by a "usb 1-1.3: USB disconnect"
[16:11] <eval-> OK, so fine, I/O error, drive went offline...
[16:12] <eval-> But then... "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000" (Process khubd (pid: 16, stack limit = 0xd78a41b0))
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[16:13] <eval-> Is khubd segfaulting after an I/O error OK or woth investigating?
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> although it's probably your SD card being corrupted.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> either through power supply issues, or overclocking - experience suggests that a properly faulty SD card is less likely than the first 2 potential issues.
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[16:43] <kraptv> I had a Dell Mini 9 atom netbook running as my little linux server in my house for four years, migrated over to the RPi last week - working quite well now!
[16:43] <kraptv> now, I miss the "poor man's UPS" functionality but that's not a big deal.
[16:44] <kraptv> Avoiding X11 - waiting for Wayland to get better - so the SDL based stuff works pretty well.
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[16:45] <kraptv> debating whether I should pay the 5GBP or so for the licence unlocks for omxplayer to use GPU transcoding.
[16:46] <kraptv> I already have a Mac Mini that does well for media playback with the television.
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[16:53] <eval-> gordonDrogon: no, it's an external. and I reduced my overclock to 900/450 ... now on reboot sda1 doesn't appear (external 2.5" drive) .. well sorta " Asking for cache data failed " and "Unhandled sense code"
[16:53] <humbolt> Is VLC hardware accelerated already on the Pi?
[16:53] <eval-> gordonDrogon: I'm just surprised a dying drive can segfault khubd =/
[16:54] <tig|> humbolt: I don't think so I think it is just omxplayer
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[16:59] <CeilingKitten> Hello eval-, still working on your ultimate pi server?
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[17:04] <eval-> CeilingKitten: No no =) That's already in the mail xD
[17:05] <eval-> CeilingKitten: But then I got xbmc all happy at home, and decided to use LXC to have it also run transmission in the BG
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[17:05] <CeilingKitten> ah =) i am looking at rtorrent myself
[17:06] <eval-> CeilingKitten: but during a compile, my external drive died, and khubd segfaulted, and I lost the USB bus =/ since I know I have limited reboots before the SD needs to (why?!) be mounted in another PC (no journal replay e2fsck, just mounted for some reason) this kinda segfault makes me nervous about the Pi in the sky
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[17:07] <CeilingKitten> transmission is a good one though, on googlecode there is soemthing called TransGUI, it basically looks like and acts like transmission but its a client to the server all .torrent and magnets on your computer are sent remotely to the server and you have the full UI =)
[17:07] <CeilingKitten> its crossplatform too =)
[17:07] <eval-> CeilingKitten: Lemme know how your resources are with rtorrent... I can keep transmission-daemon to ~25% cpu and 64-128mb depending on cache-size
[17:07] <CeilingKitten> did you tweak much for that or is that a default install of transmission?
[17:08] <eval-> I really like cgroups... help me prioritize xmbc>torrent>make/cc1
[17:08] <eval-> CeilingKitten: I just prefer unencrypted peers, limit overall and per torrent, and play with cache-size
[17:08] <CeilingKitten> =\ unencrypted, isnt everyone encrypted nowadays though?
[17:09] * eval- is trying to decide whether to e2fsck -cc or -c this drive..
[17:09] <eval-> CeilingKitten: well, it'll just *prefer* them.. I didn't see any traffic shaping from my ISP back when I didn't have a VPN
[17:10] <eval-> encryption taxes the poor Pi.. between openvpn/torrent/disk it's easily at 70-80%
[17:10] <CeilingKitten> I been playing with bt sync, once you get a few large files or many peers o-o it seems to spike my desktop cpu to ridiculous amounts, but if they fix that, i think a pi network of btsync users could make a nice distrobution network =]
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[17:11] <CeilingKitten> *shrugs* but what if your torrent never completes because there is no one with encryption turned off?
[17:11] <eval-> gave up on my tcplay (truecrypt) raid0... cpu is the bottleneck before bandwidth, and everything shares the same bus and the net never gets above 6mb/s for me (back when it did, that used to cause kernel oops too, regardless my vm.mine_free_kbytes)
[17:11] <eval-> CeilingKitten: I think it just *prefers*... it still *allows* encrypted peers...
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[17:12] <CeilingKitten> haha =O i have an UDOO coming evcentually, so sata and quadcore O_o i think it will be my baby server ^_^ torrents, etc,.
[17:13] <CeilingKitten> my pi will prolly just be a dedicated xbmc, with maybe some silly things running in the background
[17:13] <eval-> CeilingKitten: I'm thinking to debianWRT my router (128mb ram) and have another... wonder if I can get LXC going there too, keep the cpu limits & openvpn tunnel just for that container
[17:13] <CeilingKitten> debianwrt :o
[17:14] <CeilingKitten> i know of xwrt and ddwrt, and openwrt, but thats news to me
[17:14] <eval-> CeilingKitten: I also have a quad rk3188 stick but that's for my lapdock since I'm sick of shitty atrix ubuntu 9.04, no matter how modded, getting stale
[17:14] <eval-> CeilingKitten: yeah I hadn't either! back when I put dd-wrt on my router it was the only thing that supported it. I'm excited!
[17:14] <CeilingKitten> I was thinking would openwrt on a raspberry have tons of ram left? i seen torrents, openvpn etc,. packages for wrt
[17:15] <CeilingKitten> i meet wrt installs are usually like 32mb and same amount for ram and flash =)
[17:15] <eval-> Yeah.. but I'd rather just use debian packages and src rebuild if I need to
[17:15] <CeilingKitten> mean* but i doubt it has hardfloat?
[17:15] <eval-> The limited rootfs, yea that's the problem I think
[17:16] <CeilingKitten> hmm maybe raspberry has a debianwrt project coming soon =)
[17:16] <humbolt> tig|: omxplayer unfortunately is not really a long runner, when it comes to rtsp or rtmp streams.
[17:16] <eval-> Oh my router is a MIPS... pretty sure debian has no hardfloat going..
[17:17] <eval-> CeilingKitten: I really wish *wrt would be a debian PACKAGE anyone can configure, a set of scripts, but maybe that's a pipedream.. been a while since I looked into it
[17:17] <CeilingKitten> humbolt, not a long runner? as in it crashes?
[17:18] <humbolt> CeilingKitten: as in "it does tend to stop, when some frames are lost".
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[17:19] <CeilingKitten> Might have to run it verbose and file a bug report on github, with example rtsp/rtmp links?
[17:20] <eval-> Oy at this rate e2fsck -cc will finish in 16hrs
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[17:20] <CeilingKitten> =o
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[17:20] <CeilingKitten> eval you could full format a 2TB drive in that time or diskcheck a 1TB drive that was almost full lol
[17:20] <CeilingKitten> i hope thats not your sd card o-o or you are in trouble lol
[17:21] <eval-> CeilingKitten: nah it's an external 500gb
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[17:25] <eval-> CeilingKitten: I'm sorta more interested in whether there's *actually* bad blocks and this drive is dying, or whether it was some kernel oops that prompted the original corruption too
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[17:26] <CeilingKitten> i diskchecked a drive this weekend took me atleast 24hours, and its clicking, my understanding clicking is never good, its more of the power dying and restarting not the disk but still worried =| so i have to find room for the data somewhere else =| before it dies (its my incoming torrent drive though, so i can see why its dying lol), Past 2 months i have had a combined loss 2440GB 4 hard drive failures =|
[17:27] <CeilingKitten> bad luck =\
[17:27] <eval-> CeilingKitten: Damn.. that's a lot of losses. Yeah clicking in my experience has always been bad. I was just looking at the 4TB seagate today as a 1.5tb at work with my old thesis data refused to mount the first 5 times..
[17:27] <eval-> CeilingKitten: So, what irony the Pi/drive died 2hrs later :p
[17:27] <eval-> Maybe I should e-bay that 4TB after all...
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[17:27] <CeilingKitten> =S
[17:28] <eval-> Since I am lucky like you :p
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[17:38] <aktomariel_2012> Hi I am from Kiev, Ukraine
[17:39] <troulouliou_dev> hi is it possible with overclocking and an usb ethernet adapter to set up a raspberry as ppoe/adsl 2Mega router with a torrent client and snort ?
[17:41] <PhotoJim> troulouliou_dev: possible, sure, although I wouldn't overclock a machine that's going to act as a router. reliability is more important than speed. and you'll have to test to see if the performance is acceptable. if you mean 2 megabits when you say "2Mega" then yes, I'd expect so but it will depend on the torrent traffic ( and the lan traffic).
[17:41] <PhotoJim> 2 megabits per second that is
[17:42] <troulouliou_dev> PhotoJim, no lan traffic will be flowing through a wireless lan router
[17:42] <PhotoJim> try it and see.
[17:43] <troulouliou_dev> PhotoJim, main issue is that i bought a tenda adsl router after my linksys fried and i have some kind of weird congestion with >= 120 connections
[17:43] <troulouliou_dev> while in the past with the same provider i was able to go up to 250
[17:44] <PhotoJim> that sounds like an ISP issue not a router issue
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[17:44] <PhotoJim> changing hardware likely wont' change that
[17:44] <PhotoJim> won't
[17:44] <PhotoJim> you can try of course
[17:45] <troulouliou_dev> PhotoJim, really it occured right after switching adsl router
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[17:45] <troulouliou_dev> PhotoJim, furthermore i have other issue with it like wireless disconection when transfering file over 10 giga from nas to htpc ...
[17:45] <troulouliou_dev> PhotoJim, will try thanks
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[17:47] <PhotoJim> troulouliou_dev: well I'm not a big fan of wireless networking. you're potentially affected by all your neighbours and their cordless phones, Bluetooth devices, and on and on. Run Ethernet cable and get rid of that as a problem.
[17:47] <aktomariel_2012> is it way make multiboot USB hhd with Raspbian and RiscOS ?
[17:47] <PhotoJim> I'll catch up - I'll be away for about 45 minutes.
[17:47] <troulouliou_dev> PhotoJim, �e neither wireless is only used for wife phone atm :)
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[17:54] <aktomariel_2012> anybady alive ?
[17:55] <tig|> aktomariel_2012: not sure as I don't think there is grub or any other bootloaders available but you could always just use two different cards
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[18:01] <aktomariel_2012> help me
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[18:04] <aktomariel_2012> hello
[18:07] <CeilingKitten> hello
[18:07] <CeilingKitten> hi aktomariel_2012
[18:08] <CeilingKitten> You need Berryboot (its a multiboot bootmanager)
[18:08] <CeilingKitten> you can easily install raspbian from the menu on first boot but risc os you would have to convert to berryboot format
[18:09] <aktomariel_2012> can it istall RiscOS ?? as I knkw RiscOS pi have nom standard fat32 partition
[18:09] <aktomariel_2012> I have external USB hdd 640gb and wan istall mutoli os in other pertitions
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[18:10] <aktomariel_2012> also I have USB C-Sond card
[18:10] <CeilingKitten> mm the only way to multiboot raspberry nicely is with berryboot but it boots from containers / special img files, not partitions
[18:11] <CeilingKitten> for partitions you would need to move & edit boot configs to boot separate partitions every time
[18:12] <aktomariel_2012> I an istal all syse an boot from hdd
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[18:12] <Ice_Strike> Is there a shoutcast client for raspbian?
[18:12] <aktomariel_2012> so for raspbian and Risc os hot to partiton my external hdd ?
[18:12] <CeilingKitten> benefit of berryboot is you can also select recover and it will wipe changes and you are back to factory default in seconds
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[18:13] <CeilingKitten> Ice_Strike, I believe i seen a python radio indexer/player that handle shoutcast
[18:14] <Ice_Strike> CeilingKitten I heard mplayer can do it but it is a big heavy
[18:14] <aktomariel_2012> I need hav eoss istalled on HDD
[18:14] <Ice_Strike> I just want to audio stream
[18:14] <CeilingKitten> i think it was like shout.py, there was al pyradio.py (another one not shoutcast exclusive and i think you had to add your own stations)
[18:15] <Ice_Strike> yes I have done station on the server
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[18:15] <Ice_Strike> now I need to setup client on the raspberry pi
[18:16] <aktomariel_2012> so waht istruction to put Raspbian and RiscOS to external HDD ?
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[18:39] <Jaimbo> Hey guys, does anyone know how to put an automatic timestamp in a filename?
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[18:40] <workingcats> PhotoJim, that connection count thing is very often a router issue, i've had it, too
[18:40] <workingcats> e.g. router can run out of ram
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[18:44] <CeilingKitten> jaimbo, id try something like mv filenameIN filenameOUT-`date` im sure you could use %d etc,. to just just the date instead of the time etc,.
[18:45] <CeilingKitten> those are backticks ` (next to the 1 button)
[18:45] <CeilingKitten> i think they would escape it and run date as a command ? inside the file rename that or you might need a script so you can do mv file file-$DATE
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[18:48] <keyvin> jaimbo "touch filename-$(date +%d%m%Y)"
[18:48] <keyvin> man date to see formatting options (the %blahs after the +)
[18:49] <keyvin> bbecause `` is so 1980s :)
[18:52] <workingcats> this may be a stupid question... but how do i get omxplayer to go fullscreen?
[18:52] <linuxstb> It's always fullscreen by default for me. Do you mean to ignore the aspect ratio, and stretch the video?
[18:53] <workingcats> no i dont want it to do that
[18:53] <workingcats> i start it from midori.. suppose i should try starting it straight
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> gosh. gone 6pm already. afternoon vanished.
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[19:13] <CeilingKitten> =| i'll be saying the same thing at 6pm here lol
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[19:14] <keyvin> Hey, I have a question
[19:14] <keyvin> The brightness of the hdmi output dims adn brightens randomly
[19:14] <keyvin> on my pi
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[19:14] <keyvin> is something physically wrong with my pi?
[19:15] <UnaClocker> keyvin: Could be a power supply problem. What are you using?
[19:15] <keyvin> lol, a random AC to usb converter
[19:16] <keyvin> let me see if the amperage is printed on it
[19:16] <UnaClocker> Probably not putting out clean enough power.
[19:16] <keyvin> allthough, I am in a house that was built in the 1800s
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[19:16] <snoshers> I't trying to copy my old ext4 files back on to my pi however there isn't enough room ,how can I expand the ext4 drive?
[19:16] <keyvin> and I am on the same circuit as half the house
[19:17] <keyvin> snoshers, the easiest way is to run raspi-config and expand the root file system
[19:17] <keyvin> I don't know the magic words to do it from the command line
[19:17] <snoshers> lol thanks
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[19:22] <keyvin> lol who wrote the man page for resize2fs
[19:22] <keyvin> its a man page and an editorial on the name of bytes
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[21:04] <neebs> can anyone recommend beginner projects, that are done only through cli/ssh?
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[21:06] <Jaimbo> Quick question guys, what is the best way to sort (rename and move) tv shows and movies on the Pi?
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[21:10] <CeilingKitten> neebs? setup a webserver, radio streamer, openvpn, etc,. =) depends what you want out of the pi?
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[22:07] <Twist-> Jaimbo: There's no huge difference between a Pi and any other computer in this respect.
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[22:14] <pksato> three toys to rpi arrived, 2x ultrasonic range meter and one rtcDS1307 module.
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[22:46] <adept-phil> I'm looking at my first RPi project but don't know how capable the device is. I want to use it to run XMBC, web browsing, read external FAT32 / NTFS devices, SMB shares via Wi-Fi and run some emulators (MAME, Genesis, SNES etc) but want to know if it's possible to do all this with one Pi. Does anyone have any experience with this to answer a few questions?
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[22:49] <Twist-> adept-phil: Check out the raspbmc and RetroPi projects.
[22:50] <Twist-> huh. there's also an unrelated RetroPie project.
[22:50] <Twist-> Which seems to be the more popular option
[22:51] <Twist-> adept-phil: you'll find web browsing on the Pi a little underwhelming.
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[22:55] <adept-phil> Twist- thanks for the advice. Earlier today I found a lot regarding Raspbmc and RetroPi so good to see you recommend these. I'm a little sketchy on how everything works. I know that the Pi can run Linux distros (Raspbian being the one I'm considering) and I assumed you could get Chrome for that? Will that work? I'm curious as to why you feel that web browsing will be poor?
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[23:00] <Twist-> adept-phil: the Pi runs happily off 4GB SD cards, which are under $5 each. OS distributions are most commonly made available as raw image files, which are copied to the cards. So get a handful and you can easily switch back and forth as you play with different configurations.
[23:01] <Twist-> You can get chrome.. Raspian runs Midori out of the box. The main processor is slow compared to modern Intel PCs, and there's no accelerated graphics driver for X11.
[23:02] <patagonicus> I ran Chrome once on a netbook that was a bit more powerful than a RPi, it was horrible. May have been the slow disk, though and midori is nicely useable on a RPi.
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[23:03] <Twist-> So while the GPU is relatively powerful, you don't get to take full advantage of that in X11 apps. You'll notice delays in scrolling, window resizing, and on loading javascript heavy pages.
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[23:03] <Twist-> It's completely usable, of course.. just don't expect modern desktop performance out of a $30 computer.
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> I've used it recently - it needs patience but renders pages very well.
[23:04] <adept-phil> Twist- that's invaluable info cheers for that. gordonDrogon I've just read this page regarding it, cheers :) http://www.geek.com/news/raspberry-pi-gets-a-taste-of-google-chrome-1504209/
[23:05] <Twist-> adept-phil: It makes me giddy. I feel like a kid with a box of floppy disks.
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[23:06] <PhotoJim> Pi Chromium? Interesting.
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[23:07] <PhotoJim> patagonicus: Firefox runs fine on my netbook, but it's a 1.6 GHz Atom with 1.5 GB of RAM.
[23:07] <adept-phil> Twist- I'm 32 and was massively into micro electronics as a kid. I followed it through secondary education and kinda grew apart from it. Recently I've become interested with Arduino and Raspberry Pi and I feel like a kid again, I know how you feel :)(
[23:07] <adept-phil> Already built loads of projects so far and I feel I've rediscovered a lost friend.
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[23:07] <patagonicus> PhotoJim: I had a 1.3 GHz or so first gen Atomi with 512MB RAM and the slowest SSD I've ever seen. I think the 8GB SD card I used to double the storage was faster.
[23:08] <PhotoJim> heh. sad.
[23:08] <PhotoJim> Mine has a hard disk in it which helps. Small, but ample.
[23:08] <PhotoJim> and the extra RAM helps loads. and I run Linux on it which helps loads more. :)
[23:08] <adept-phil> The project I'm building is a portabel media center for when we go camping. We've a good group that tend to get out every month around the UK and we all love our music etc so after a hike we chill around the campsite and need some entertainment that we enjoy. I built a portable power box a few weeks back. It's basically a large fishing tackle box, 88Ah car bettery and a Kenwood head unit
[23:08] <adept-phil> and speakers. Now I'm taking it further and adding a Raspberry Pi, but recycling a 1080p LCD screen from an broken laptop to use with the Pi
[23:09] <Twist-> adept-phil: Yeah, I'm going through a similar personal renaissance with the same toys. It's a common thing around here.
[23:09] <patagonicus> Well, I only got it after my laptop died. My father used to use it but he's switched to a tablet. zram was really helping plus I switched to a lot of text user interface tools I still use. mcabber for example instead of pidgin.
[23:09] <Twist-> adept-phil: Check http://hackerspaces.org/ and find a local hackspace if you haven't already.
[23:10] <plugwash> Any one here come across the PSU vendor "mean well" and have anything good bad or indifferent to say about them?
[23:10] <adept-phil> Twist- Sorry fella, wtf is a hackspace lol
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[23:10] <adept-phil> Twist- ignore me, visitied the link ha ha
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[23:11] <Twist-> adept-phil: In a nut, it's a bunch of geeks pooling resources to have a common workshop.
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[23:12] <adept-phil> Twist- That's a GREAT initiative, can't find much like that in the UK though :(
[23:12] <Twist-> adept-phil: You certainly can
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[23:13] <Twist-> iirc the movement's larger and older in europe than in the states
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[23:13] <keyvin> adept-phil: It started in the EU
[23:13] <tig|> adept-phil: there are a few in the UK but it depends where you are based
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[23:14] <adept-phil> Yeah and there isn't much regarding this field
[23:15] <adept-phil> in terms of collaborative workshops / labs I mean
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[23:15] <adept-phil> I mean there's a few places I know to get laser cutting done. I fabricate my own PCB's, I need something like a wood / metal workshop to fabricate my projects
[23:16] <adept-phil> has anyone in here used the LCD controller units to re-use laptop LCD's before?
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[23:17] <adept-phil> like these things: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/lcd-controller-board-hdmi
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[23:18] <Twist-> adept-phil: where are you? (city)
[23:19] <keyvin> adept-phil: It might be easier to buy something on adafruit than it will be to reuse a 1080p laptop LCD Panel
[23:20] <plugwash> http://ip-address-lookup-v4.com/ip/ reckons he is in aberdeen, whether that is correct or not who knows
[23:20] <adept-phil> Manchester
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[23:21] <adept-phil> keyvin, Adafruit don't have 1080p TFT's ;) And I don't like easy, you don't learn much the easy way :)
[23:22] <keyvin> my concern though is that you are going to hit a wall and it turns out your particular panel can only be driven by a specific chipset that isn't readily available to independant buyers
[23:22] <keyvin> unless you know for certain your panel conforms to a certain standard
[23:22] <keyvin> in which case ignore me
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[23:23] <adept-phil> Keyvin, I previously had the same concerns as yourself but after diggina round a bit I found out a bit more info. Prior to purchase you have to let the vendor know what panel you have. They have to flash the firmware on the unit for your panel
[23:23] <adept-phil> after digging*
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> manchester -you have MadLab there...
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[23:24] <adept-phil> gordonDrogon, it's a digi lab
[23:24] <Twist-> adept-phil: fun trend lately.. panels are beginning to use DisplayPort
[23:24] <adept-phil> I go there already for web development
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[23:24] <harryhcs> hey there
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> I went to an event there just over a year ago. looked like a fab place.
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> we have nothing down here in devon.
[23:25] <harryhcs> I'm using the camera module, taking a photo with raspistill takes some time, is this normal? the issue is that it does not seem to work with the -tl option cause it seems to be to slow
[23:25] <Twist-> adept-phil: http://mikesmods.com http://emerythacks.blogspot.com/2013/04/connecting-ipad-retina-lcd-to-pc.html
[23:25] <adept-phil> it's great! I go there for the WPDev meets and a few others. Good to have a beer with likeminded people. I'm going to try and see if I can connect with like minded people and maybe create one ourselves. Maybe you should too gordonDrogon?
[23:25] <keyvin> adept-phil is there kernel support for your lcd driver?
[23:26] <keyvin> or the ones you are interested in?
[23:26] <bts__> good night
[23:26] <adept-phil> Keyvin, the module simply provides your LCD panel with a HDMI connector. The Pi doesn't require drivers to use it ;)
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[23:26] <keyvin> oh, sweet
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> adept-phil, some of us here have tried - the population density is just too low. no-one wants to travel and unless you live in a city (ie. exeter/plymouth) its hard to get a group together.
[23:27] <adept-phil> It basically replaces the invertor the laptop would use, and provides a drive ciruit for the LCD itself. It adds multiple source input as well such as sVGA, HDMI and RCA / Compenent :)
[23:28] <adept-phil> gordonDrogon that sucks fella. That's something you can't do anything about and I feel for you
[23:28] <adept-phil> Twist- that's really interesting! Very much what I'm trying to achieve now but recycling a broken laptop at the same time :)
[23:29] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: you back here in the great white north yet?
[23:30] <adept-phil> Keyvin they also provide the correct connector for the LCD panel AND invertor type for the CCF tube that backlights the screen. They've covered all bases with it and there's a few vid's on YouTube. I'll dig them out for you
[23:30] <pksato> I need some time to put theses on work http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/6844/hban.jpg
[23:30] <adept-phil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n5qWv6Hijk
[23:30] <adept-phil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKifzJ7sEWs
[23:31] <adept-phil> The one thing I'm concerned about is they're from China... Buy cheap, buy twice... :(
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> adept-phil, one of the local colleges is thinking about starting an after-class sort of things which I'm hoping to be involved with, so who knows.
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[23:32] <adept-phil> how old are you gordonDrogon?
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> adept-phil, 50.
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> and it all goes quiet ;-)
[23:33] <adept-phil> gordonDrogon it was with you saying about a college after-class I thought you were in college as secondary education :)
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> long since since I was a student :)
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> I do some private tuition - looking/hoping to do some work with a local college.
[23:36] <chithead> what kind of electronics is not from china?
[23:37] <plugwash> A large proportion of electronics is indeed assembled in china, some of the components are made there too
[23:38] <plugwash> but there is a big difference between something assembled in china from quality components under the direction of a reputable firm and the crap you get shipped direct from china on the likes of ebay
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[23:46] <adept-phil> indeed plugwash
[23:46] <adept-phil> I was refering to the latter of course :)
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[23:57] <acidfoo> hi folks, is there any FMC expansion for the RPI ?
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