#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-09-03

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:28] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: yeah, just getting some work done, but I'm sort of around.
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[0:31] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: but are you in the great white north?
[0:31] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: Yup, I'm home in Regina.
[0:31] <j4jackj> Teh one you canot say :D
[0:32] <PhotoJim> I can and do say it routinely ;)
[0:32] <PhotoJim> people will get used to it if they hear it lots :)
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[0:33] <j4jackj> Hi JJE
[0:33] <PhotoJim> back to this teaching prep, bbl
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[0:38] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: So what is your thought on Opus over telephone?
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[0:54] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: I think it's practical, just depends on CPU speed.
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[1:57] <Twist-> hum. You can't actually stream video to xbmc, can you.
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[1:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Not with that attitude =/
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[2:27] <CeilingKitten> Twist-, there are plugins to Send video links to xbmc
[2:27] <CeilingKitten> I know someone who has a XBMC plugin in chrome and they have all their devices added so they can click send current video to (livingroomxbmc/bedroomxbmc)
[2:31] <johnc-> I'm doing that! :D
[2:33] <CeilingKitten> whats the name of that plugin :o
[2:33] <CeilingKitten> i had seen it but not found it in the chrome store yet
[2:33] <CeilingKitten> though i honestly havent looked to hard
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[2:34] <johnc-> no idea, I'm making my own
[2:34] <CeilingKitten> I noticed altely alot of things will not show up in chrome webstore when searched by name but they do if you search in google. I think google is being an evil jerk and hiding some
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[2:38] <ShorTie> gotta get the add dollars
[2:39] <CeilingKitten> clipboard monitor on the desktop and python script that clones the clipboard on the pi and autoloads videos?
[2:40] <CeilingKitten> lol xD prolly a billion simpler ways to do it
[2:40] <CeilingKitten> i want my py to share my clipboard and autodownload things i "copy link address", that be pretty neat
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[2:42] <Twist-> CeilingKitten/johnc-: Do you know how that works from the XBMC side? Is an addon module required?
[2:43] <Twist-> CeilingKitten: is this it? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/play-to-xbmc/fncjhcjfnnooidlkijollckpakkebden
[2:44] <johnc-> I don't use xbmc, I'm writing my own thing
[2:44] <Twist-> ah
[2:45] <CeilingKitten> Twist-, I think it would be loaded the same way videos from the local library except it would be like open http instead of open /file/
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[2:46] <CeilingKitten> johnc-, maybe i will see you on github =D
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[2:46] <Twist-> Yeah, that's not what I'm after.. this plugin seems to send a content URL to XBMC, causing XBMC to in turn retrieve the file.
[2:46] <pksato> dlna?
[2:47] <Twist-> It's not like using VideoLan or Airplay to play a file locally and send a compressed video stream to the player
[2:48] <johnc-> CeilingKitten: maybe, do you C#? :)
[2:49] <CeilingKitten> i know a wee bit of C++ not sure what that is in relation to C#
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[2:50] <johnc-> next to no relation
[2:51] <plugwash> AIUI like with java C# borrows a lot of syntax from C++ but the semantics are rather different
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[2:52] <plugwash> AIUI the basic semantics of C# are similar to Java but C# has a lot of features that java is missing
[2:53] <CeilingKitten> Languages i would most likely never learn are java and .NET =|
[2:53] <johnc-> what I'm working on is a "smart home" type of deal with a TV, tablet and voice interface
[2:53] <johnc-> my pis are working as satellites around my home and on my tv :)
[2:53] <CeilingKitten> I dont like apps that use them they are insecure, and bloated, use way more memory than needed =)
[2:53] <johnc-> .net is yummy
[2:53] <CeilingKitten> johnc-, have you seen the raspberrypi GoogleTV UI ?
[2:54] <johnc-> "google tv" in massive quites?
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[2:54] <johnc-> http://blog.donaldderek.com/2013/06/build-your-own-google-tv-using-raspberrypi-nodejs-and-socket-io/ I assume
[2:54] <CeilingKitten> someone posted a project or info about a NodeJS type TV with UI w
[2:54] <CeilingKitten> ^ thats the ones
[2:54] * plugwash hopes that one day the debian mono guys will deliver working armhf packaging for us to rebuild in raspbian
[2:54] <CeilingKitten> =) the idea looks interesting
[2:55] <johnc-> CeilingKitten, now imagine that networked with other computers in your home to let you play video/music anywhere in your home, or control your lighting and heating ;)
[2:55] <CeilingKitten> I was looking at maraschino for XBMC it would link up to headphones, sabnz, sickbeard, etc,.
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[2:56] <CeilingKitten> I was debating gutting a flat panel lcd and putting the pi inside for a wallmounted screen with voice command (radio, calendar, reminders, etc,.)
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[3:00] <johnc-> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-E7i--AEJFEg/UejCyZRfWNI/AAAAAAAAATQ/2xw38iefmCM/w737-h553-no/20130718_233422.jpg
[3:00] <johnc-> bit of an old build
[3:01] <johnc-> but if I go into video, I can browse the media on my NAS and decide which TV or computer to play it on
[3:01] <johnc-> or, go into lights to see the lights that are on/off in my home
[3:01] <johnc-> etc.
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[3:12] <letstest> hi - I want to use the raspberry pi to alert me when it hears the music that my washer plays when it is done it's cycle. I have the microphone listening in now. any suggestions on how i can do this?
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[3:14] <CeilingKitten> ooh
[3:14] <opcode> wow
[3:14] <j4jackj> hook up the music circuit to a GPIO on the Pi and make that circit trip an alert.
[3:14] <opcode> yeah ^ i think that's your best bet
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[3:14] <opcode> you can get it to just detect the voltage on the speaker output
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[3:15] <tonsofpcs> is there anyone in here that works on the RPi FM transmitter project? Was looking to discuss FM Stereo, RDS/RDBS, and frequency conversion
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[3:21] <letstest> opcode - how would i go about doing that?
[3:23] <opcode> well it would involve opening up the dryer
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[3:23] <letstest> ohhhh
[3:23] <letstest> i misunderstood
[3:23] <opcode> err washer
[3:23] <opcode> not dryer
[3:23] <opcode> but what i was suggesting is
[3:24] <CeilingKitten> opcodes idea is prolly best otherwise you could try VoiceCommand (Pi project), and record the finishing tone as a command maybe?
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[3:24] <opcode> sound recognition is going to be far less reliable
[3:24] <CeilingKitten> yeah ^ any noise in the room or area would cause it to fail or get the wrong noise etc,.
[3:25] <letstest> yaa - i don't think i am comfortable with opening up the dryer/washer. :) but, voicecommand sounds like a fun thing to try
[3:25] <letstest> it isnt critical and it is in the basement.
[3:25] <opcode> likely all it would require is taking the cover off wherever the speaker is
[3:25] <letstest> this is it right - http://stevenhickson.blogspot.ca/?
[3:26] <CeilingKitten> yup
[3:26] <opcode> hook some wires in parallel with the speaker
[3:26] <letstest> ic
[3:26] <opcode> and then just set it to detect any old voltage change
[3:26] <opcode> (probably)
[3:26] <CeilingKitten> opcodes idea is really the best i think, but oyu would need some other parts prolly
[3:26] <letstest> ok.
[3:27] <Taylor> Sound recognition seems like a dead end tbh, I'd try to tap into the buzzer
[3:27] <Taylor> Like they mentioned ^
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[3:28] <letstest> alright. I got the idea when i saw Shazam being advertised on TV for getting Tennis scores for US open. But, Shazam i am sure has a lot going on
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[3:29] <CeilingKitten> we need a pi project with IR sending, that works like a remote and somehow interfacing it with closed caption, and have the pi mute the tv when certain celebrities are spoken about or when commercials come on O-o lol
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[3:30] <letstest> yes!
[3:30] <CeilingKitten> *shrugs* it be good for the normal people. I just stream my stuff, since i prefer no commercials at all
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[3:34] <Coburn> Could someone who is using their R-Pi tell me what kernel version they are using and give me their config.gz from /proc ?
[3:35] <Coburn> the reason I ask is because there is a driver that I need, and i'm not sure what version of the kernel it got merged with (mainline)
[3:35] <Coburn> The driver is HiFace, a USB DAC controller
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne> If nobody replies, I believe the kernel version is 3.6.11 and the config can be extracted from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/kernel.img?raw=true using the config extracting script that comes with the kernel source
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[4:01] <Coburn> thanks
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[5:10] <Lejoni> Very quiet here
[5:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, not anymore >=/
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[5:26] <JodaZ> is the rapberry powerfull enough to play xvid movies of standard dvd quality ?
[5:27] <sney> yeah, with omxplayer
[5:27] <sney> it should be anyway
[5:27] <Lejoni> JodaZ: I think so
[5:27] <Lejoni> JodaZ: There is a xbmc port for RPi
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[5:28] <CeilingKitten> Lejoni, it will play anything you didnt download from the kazaa days lol
[5:29] <ShiftPlusOne> xvid is accelerated? O_o
[5:29] <CeilingKitten> I got the Rescue Rangers tv show, but its in mpeg and it wont play =|
[5:29] <CeilingKitten> but everything else seems to work for me
[5:29] <johnc-> I've got copies of SG-1 that won't play
[5:30] <johnc-> but my Friends copies will
[5:30] <CeilingKitten> (minus the mpeg2 and vc1 licenses) lol
[5:30] <johnc-> it's very odd
[5:30] <CeilingKitten> johnc what filetype or codec is it?
[5:30] <johnc-> I'll check after VLC updates
[5:31] <Lejoni> CeilingKitten: I honestly have nothing left from thouse days.
[5:31] <CeilingKitten> haha xD
[5:32] <Lejoni> I was on 56Kbits dialup the
[5:32] <Lejoni> *then
[5:33] <johnc-> CeilingKitten, VLC says it's "MS MPEG-4 Video v3 (DIV3)"
[5:35] <johnc-> looks like a non-standard variant of mpeg 4
[5:35] <johnc-> ie. not gonna work
[5:36] <Lejoni> can anyone reccomend a good collorful highcontrast irssi theme?
[5:36] <johnc-> fortunately my architecture supports content negotiation and transcoding :)
[5:37] <CeilingKitten> yup sounds like the same type as my ones that dont play
[5:37] <Lejoni> just throw it at ffmpeg and ask it to spit out something better
[5:38] <johnc-> yes, that's what transcoding is
[5:38] <johnc-> the problem is you lose quality
[5:38] <Lejoni> so get a better source :)
[5:38] <johnc-> I've considered it
[5:39] <johnc-> for now, they serve as a good test of my video plugin
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[6:03] <Otakus> anyone have info on running andoird on the pi? i tried googling and as of a month ago opt/vc/lib seemed to have been provided so i can't find any recent info
[6:05] <Xark> Otakus: Hasn't been much work lately. I think the main issue is it runs rather poorly on the RPi.
[6:05] <Xark> word*
[6:06] <Otakus> ye and it was due to broadcam not providing a library, but according to here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/70 they did so about a month ago
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[6:14] <CeilingKitten> *shrugs* Otakus you would be better asking on the #razdroid irc channel
[6:15] <CeilingKitten> last i remember razdroid was a usergroup working on the port
[6:16] <Otakus> no recent info
[6:16] <Otakus> and the irc channel doesn't exist
[6:17] <Otakus> they liste
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[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Otakus, no android on pi. The pi devs have no interest in it. The others don't seem to be able to accelerate android with the existing libs for some reason. So whatever ports there are, they are not usable.
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[6:28] <Otakus> well my problem is i can't seem to find anything to make the pi what i want it to do in one os
[6:28] <Otakus> i want flash, youtube, rtsp stream ability
[6:29] <ShiftPlusOne> well, you can cross flash off the list, that was never an option for anything useful.
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[6:32] <Otakus> it is for some sites that are flash based and there's no other way around it
[6:32] <Otakus> on my android phone i can even watch streams using flash players, the linux options don't work at all that i tries for rasberry
[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> There is 'gnash' which kind of works, but is painfully slow. What websites other than youtube do you need flash for?
[6:33] <Otakus> tried it
[6:33] <Otakus> didn't work
[6:33] <Otakus> a site called bosnatube
[6:33] <Otakus> half the stuff is java based half is flash
[6:34] <j4jackj> PhotoJim: as long as you didn't commit any crimes in the USA then you're now safe from execution.
[6:36] <Otakus> or any online streaming site as a matter of fact
[6:36] <Otakus> they are mostly flash based
[6:36] <Otakus> work fine on my android phone
[6:36] <Otakus> with the old flash plugin
[6:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Otakus, the pi is not your android phone though, so that's not a good comparison.
[6:37] <hifi> most android phones have more juice in them than the pi anyway
[6:37] <Otakus> well true but i figured someone would at least be able to make it run, just slower
[6:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Otakus, Adobe specifically goes out of their way to support hardware acceleration on the pi.
[6:37] <Otakus> since it's arm based
[6:38] <ShiftPlusOne> In this case, broadcom would have to work with adobe to support flash on a device that neither companies rely on.
[6:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Instead, you need to find a way to extract the video information without flash.
[6:39] <ShiftPlusOne> xbmc does this for youtube. There's also youtube-dl. Aside from youtube xbmc has a lot of plugins for various sites, but it's unlikely that there's one for something like the one you mentioned earlier.
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[6:42] <Otakus> ye also tried xmbc but no support for the two sites im looking for
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[6:43] <raptor67682> N
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[6:44] <Syliss> anyone made the pi into a irc server?
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[6:46] <fizzybuzz> Hello, gentlesirs. I am currently having issues with an unpowered USB, where anything plugged into it is severely slowed down (eg, wifi dongle goes from about 2 MB/s to 200 KB/s, HDD goes from 40 MB/s to 120~ KB/s). Could my HDD -- even though it's powered directly from the wall, not the hub -- be slowed down like that because the USB hub is drawing too much power from the Pi?
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[6:47] <fizzybuzz> And in addendum, would get a powered USB hub fix this issue if it is indeed somehow a power issue? (Should be noted again, that the HDD is powered directly from the outlet.) Thanks.
[6:48] <Otakus> what i don't get is why is it so hard to port android over to the rasberry pi, doesn't it use the same chipsets some phones do so shouldn't it be rather straight forward?
[6:50] <hifi> fizzybuzz: the hub might be USB 1.1, have you considered that?
[6:51] <hifi> those speeds sound like USB 1.1
[6:51] <fizzybuzz> hifi: Thanks for the input. According to `lsusb`, it reports the hub is 2.0
[6:52] <fizzybuzz> >Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub / D-Link DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub
[6:52] <Syliss> i know right Otakus
[6:53] <hifi> fizzybuzz: does it connect as "high speed" in dmesg?
[6:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Otakus, the chipset is not used in any phones at all.
[6:53] <johnc-> if you want android then buy an android device?
[6:53] <hifi> fizzybuzz: possibilities are: low speed, full speed and high speed
[6:54] <Otakus> i read it's used in the galaxy y
[6:55] <Coburn> the thing is
[6:55] <Coburn> don't get me wrong
[6:55] <Coburn> there's Java in the mix.
[6:55] <Coburn> Android could run fine on a R-Pi if they didn't use Java.
[6:55] <hifi> android doesn't use java
[6:55] <Coburn> It uses Dalvik, my friend
[6:55] <Otakus> it uses a vm based on the javavm but as hifi said it doesn't use java
[6:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Otakus, not quite, but similar. I didn't know that.
[6:56] <Coburn> which is a fork of java
[6:56] <Coburn> As far as I know
[6:56] <Coburn> there is java support in the Broadcom CPU itself
[6:56] <Coburn> since under "extensions" it says "java"
[6:56] <fizzybuzz> hifi: I think you might have it. dmesg logs report it is a high-speed device, but then complains it's not runing at top-speed, and to connect it to a high-speed hub.
[6:56] <Coburn> the thing is, if you want Android to run on it
[6:56] <Coburn> make it happen
[6:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Coburn, that's a little misleading. I think it's referring to jazelle, which is useless.
[6:57] <hifi> fizzybuzz: so it's something between your hub and the pi, getting another hub will probably solve the issue
[6:57] <Otakus> well people ahve already got it running android, but no recent info anywhere
[6:57] <Otakus> everything from 2012
[6:57] <Otakus> they stated they had no hardware acceleration, but latest post someone stated the videocore library became available
[6:57] <Coburn> Also, the way Android interacts with the hardware is a pain in the butt
[6:57] <Otakus> so that should fix those issues but i can't find any info
[6:57] <Otakus> new info anyway
[6:58] <fizzybuzz> hifi: That's what I figured. Thanks. That, and, I am kind of ashamed I didn't think of just doing something as basic as checking the logs. :)
[6:58] <Coburn> To run Android comfortably you need a lot of memory
[6:58] <Coburn> you said the broadcom chip is used in the Galaxy Y. How much RAM does that have?
[6:59] <hifi> to run android comfortably you need accelerated graphics
[6:59] <Syliss> yeah google got sued for dalvik since it was pretty much a ripoff of java
[6:59] <hifi> running plain java on pi shouldn't be much different from android/dalvik except it might perform a bit worse because it isn't as optimized
[7:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Is java the issue though? I was under the impression that the basic components run, it's just the GUI stuff that needs work.
[7:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Otakus, coming back to the original point though, android does not automatically imply accelerated flash. Even if you get android on a pi and even if it's not too painfully slow, your websites will still not work.
[7:01] <hifi> though apparently oracle did some benchmarks on ARM and beat dalvik in java(-ish) performance
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[7:06] <hifi> wow, I just pulled the 9 lines oracle and google were fighting for in court, that's the most stupidest (code) thing I've ever seen anyone fighting over in court
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[7:10] <Syliss> yep yep
[7:10] * j4jackj smiles and shakes his head. 'I don't know...'
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[7:12] <plum> hi there, is there a way i can make my raspberry pi connect to wifi before it searches for my bluetooth keyboard?
[7:14] <plum> what's happening is when i try to run it headless without the monitor or keyboard/mouse, it doesn't connect to wifi.. i don't even see the wifi light on
[7:14] <plum> so i assume that it's searching for the keyboard to connect, when i'm not going to be using it
[7:14] <Syliss> wifi light?
[7:14] <plum> yeah, on my adapter
[7:14] <plum> sorry-- should have specified
[7:14] <Syliss> lulz
[7:15] <plum> :)
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[7:15] <plum> is there anything you think i can do for it..? or should i just try to connect to it via an ethernet cable?
[7:15] <plum> for the time being, that is... then i can at least diagnose the issue
[7:18] <Syliss> that i dont know
[7:18] <Syliss> it prolly looks for the keyboard first
[7:19] <plum> how might i go about changing the order to put wifi connection as a higher priority?
[7:20] <Syliss> have you checked the config file, what distro are you using
[7:20] <Syliss> ?
[7:21] <plum> i'm using raspbian, i should have specified that earlier as well haha
[7:21] <Syliss> its okay
[7:21] <plum> which config file would it be...?
[7:22] <Syliss> the primary, there is no 'bios', there is a config file that tells everything where to start
[7:23] <Syliss> http://elinux.org/RPi_raspi-config
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[7:25] <Syliss> that should help a bit plum
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[7:44] <jimboy> hello
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[8:01] <plum> thank you Syliss , i'll look at that and try to fix it
[8:04] <Syliss> np
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[8:11] <Syliss> hmm which distro to use as an irc server
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[8:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd vote for arch
[8:17] <Syliss> thats what i was thinking
[8:18] <Syliss> and just dropping the gfx mem to bare min
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[8:18] <Jck_True> Syliss: If it's just gonna be a small server i would suggest you took a look on ngIRCd
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[8:32] <hifi> raspbian of course, with raspbian-ua-netinst
[8:32] <hifi> arch is too rollin' for stable server
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[8:34] <Deadlights> The Archies will eat you alive. =O
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[8:39] <Syliss> well it'll be for work so that we dont have to rely on im when our network goes down
[8:39] <Syliss> which is sad since i work at an isp
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[8:42] <Syliss> gonna totally try ngircd, thanks Jck_True
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[8:43] <Jck_True> Syliss: It's lacking the features of the "big ones" but very nice otherwise :)
[8:43] <Syliss> it just needs to handle 10-40 users an a few channels
[8:44] <Syliss> and maybe a bot
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[8:44] <Jck_True> Perfect for that - (And you don't need network services )
[8:44] <Syliss> nope since it will be intranet
[8:44] <Jck_True> Syliss: Have you checked Jabber/XMPP if you're in a company enviroment?
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[8:45] <Syliss> meh we want something more fun and have more control over
[8:45] <Deadlights> Man, I am excited. I just ordered my first Raspberry Pi and I am ordering a ODROID UX next week. I foresee some fun in the coming months. =D
[8:46] <Syliss> we already use jabber for proxy stuffs
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[8:47] <Jck_True> No worries - Jabber just got better clients for less "tech savy" people
[8:47] <Syliss> well most are tech savy at my work
[8:48] <Syliss> more than most since we are a small company, only about 45-ish people
[8:49] <gordonDrogon> morning Pions!
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[8:50] <Deadlights> Morning.
[8:51] <Syliss> we shall see tho, we have been throwing ideas against the wall
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[9:22] <Robint91> hi all
[9:22] <Robint91> I have a locking up rpi's
[9:23] <Robint91> I see "smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 2 may have been dropped"
[9:23] <Robint91> but I have in my command line the following
[9:23] <Robint91> smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N
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[9:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Checked your tp1 tp2 voltage?
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[9:25] <Jck_True> Robint91: 1) Check your power supply 2) Check your power supply AGAIN 3) Check that you're up to date (apt-get upgrade) 4) Remove whatever USB devices you have and retry
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[9:26] <Robint91> Jck_True, okay, I'm only running one USB device
[9:26] <Jck_True> Robint91: What USB device is that?
[9:27] <Robint91> that smsc
[9:27] <Robint91> on the pi
[9:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think that counts >_<
[9:28] <Robint91> it is stilly a usb device
[9:28] <ShiftPlusOne> but for extra pedantry points, you're running two, since the hub counts as well.
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[9:31] <Kane> matin
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[9:49] <bts__> good morning
[9:49] <j4jackj> Evnin...
[9:51] <bts__> I've some functions written in ASM in .s file, and I would want to use them in c++, how to do that?
[9:51] <ShiftPlusOne> look up inline assembly gcc
[9:52] <Xark> bts__: Generally extern "C" them (so they don't need mangled names). You might need to prepend an underscore or at sign or something.
[9:52] <ShiftPlusOne> even better
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[9:54] <ShiftPlusOne> this seems like what you're after http://www.cs.uaf.edu/2012/fall/cs301/lecture/10_01_link_with_cpp.html
[9:55] <ShiftPlusOne> And the top answer here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8054362/mixing-c-and-assembly-files
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[9:58] <bts__> ok, thanks for these links and advices
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[10:00] <MrVector> Morning guys, I'm a little bit curious, I've got a C project on Github and I've got a file with this line in it "void LedInit(void);", anyone know why Github thinks this is C++?
[10:00] <MrVector> I'm a little bit fussy on the details :)
[10:00] <MrVector> And no, it doesn't really matter why it says it's C++, I'm just curious
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the file extension?
[10:03] <MrVector> .h
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> How would you tell the difference?
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> (I don't know maybe there is a setting on github you can change, but if it's automatic, it seems like a close enough guess)
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[10:04] <rendar> if i open a tcp server with netcat (nc) in my rasp, i can connect with telnet to it from the rasp itself, but not from a computer in the LAN, if i try, i receive connection refused. why? does rasp has some firewall set or something?
[10:05] <ShiftPlusOne> not by default, no.
[10:05] <patagonicus> I also have a bash script on GitHub and it's counted as JavaScript. :/
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[10:05] <rendar> hmmm
[10:05] <rendar> ShiftPlusOne, how i could solve that? also, why its connection refused and not, e.g. connection timed out?
[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I have no idea, I'd just blame the router. Does ssh work?
[10:07] <rendar> ShiftPlusOne, i just solved that, basically i was binding the nc to insead of, now it works with
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, that sounds like a tricky mistake to spot. Nicely done.
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[10:11] <rendar> :)
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[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> *sigh* neighbour practicing the drums again.
[10:12] <MrVector> ShiftPlusOne, so you're saying it's just guessing it's C++? Possibly due to it's popularity over C nowadays
[10:13] <ShiftPlusOne> MrVector, I am saying I haven't got a bloody clue. >.>
[10:14] <MrVector> Well, then atleast we're on the same page!
[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[10:17] <MrVector> As C++ "inherited" the .h header style from C, I would have thought it would default to being C, and leave hpp or similar for C++ :(
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[10:19] <harryhcs> hi, anyone using the raspberry pi to stream photos?
[10:20] <bts__> damn, I still can't get it working... look: http://pastebin.com/FFQgZTq7
[10:20] <bts__> it can't find reference to entry, nor to setGpioFunct
[10:21] <Xark> bts__: Try "nm" on entry.o and see what the compiler named it. As I mentioned, it may be adding an underscore (etc.)
[10:22] <Xark> (IIRC _ or . is normal for ARM)
[10:23] <JlRd> It looks like the link to the Raspbian soft-float image was removed from the Pi Downloads page. Does anyone know whether that is still supported or have a link to the current last supported image?
[10:24] <bts__> hm... weird
[10:24] <bts__> Xark: g++ couldn't even produce object file, but it succeeded producing .s file
[10:24] <bts__> now I have just compiled all that with as, linked and it works
[10:24] <bts__> (seems to at least)
[10:24] <Xark> bts__: Hmm, even if it can't link entry.cpp, it should be able to compile it...
[10:26] <bts__> ok, sorry, it is able indeed. Works with -S as well as with -c, and then I can use makefile.
[10:28] <bts__> uff, it's good. I became tired a bit with writing in pure asm :X
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[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Why purse asm anyway?
[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> (I am all for pure asm by the way, I am just wondering why in this case)
[10:32] <bts__> ShiftPlusOne: just to widen my knowledge and bring me new skills; and actually I consider it very profitable to learn asm, even if using C every day
[10:32] <ShiftPlusOne> absolutely
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> I rarely drop to assembler these days.
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> last time I had to use any was on te PIC as the C compiler couldn't quite manage what I needed in an interrupt routine.
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> lost too many grey cells writing assembler...
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[10:42] <Jck_True> I order todo embedded programming I would say you should atleast understand the concepts of assembler...
[10:43] <MrVector> I think it helps
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[10:44] <ShiftPlusOne> It definitely helps, but I am getting along just with bare metal arm just fine without it... so far.
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[10:48] <MrVector> Im doing the same, but I like knowing all of the things!
[10:48] <MrVector> Also, it has helped reading the disassembly once or twice when my program wasn't working :)
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[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I've done AVR asm, so I don't feel like I am missing out on much by not knowing other instructions sets. I know the more serious coders may say that that doesn't help, since the architectures are too different, but meh.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> on a modern processor just knowing its assembler isn't enough - you need to think about the cache, pipelining and so on.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> if you want efficiency that is.
[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on how much you care about... yeah that.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> looking at some disasembled code when the compiler writers have taken the time to read up on that stuff can be quite bewildering.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> AVR asm is very nice to read & understand. it was designed to be used as a target for a high level language (ie C) too.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> and it's a simple near RISC like processor too, so no pipelining, branch delays, etc. to wory about.
[10:56] <Jck_True> Only ASM in production i've written was a tiny bootloader for a 8051...
[10:56] <Jck_True> Damm thing took me forever to write too
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[10:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I suppose that's why my uni decided that it's the best one to teach first.
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> an odd choice, but there are millions of 8051's about.
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> I've never looked at it, but it's a very popular choice for (probably) older engineers to use as a microcontroller.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> still - could be worse: https://projects.drogon.net/cesil-controlled-xmas-tree-on-the-raspberry-pi/
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[11:00] <Jck_True> TI has an entire range of "modern" 2,4Ghz single chip radios - all running 8051
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> they also have some brain curdling DSP chips with multi-cores, shared registers with no interlocking - I was offered a job to write some code on those a couple of years back. I declined.
[11:02] <Jck_True> Only had a 32kb program memoery space I think... So had to employ bank switching
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> it's the effort of designing something new vs. just extending something you know and trust...
[11:02] <Jck_True> And our bootloader had to run in ram - - That ment triggering a flag which put your RAM into your code space so you could execute
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> I think the oddest chip I wrote assembler for was the transputer although it wasn't that bad.
[11:03] <Jck_True> Just some madness we had to ensure that our update routine didn't use the address space where ram would get mapped into
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> most challenging was the i860. it had a dual-instruction mode - 64-bit memory bus which would read 2 x 32-bit instructions and feed one to the integer unit and one to the floating point unit in the same cycle.
[11:05] <Jck_True> gordonDrogon: I've been reviewing PLC code (Mind you I know nothing about PLC's)
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> Sparc was quite sane after that with its register window concept.
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> Jck_True, ladder logic or some lower level?
[11:05] <Jck_True> Ladder Logic - They were measuring total acid consumption
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of ladder many years ago.
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> they still teach it at the local college...
[11:06] <Jck_True> The acid pump would send 1 pulse on each stroke . 1 stroke = 0.19ml
[11:06] <Jck_True> So - How do you sum that up?
[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh, even I have done ladder logic for PLCs
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it's still used in many industrial control system.
[11:06] <Jck_True> You just take a float --- And add 0.00019 for each pulse...
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> it's been 24 years since I last looked...
[11:07] <Jck_True> That goes well... For about 1 cubic meter...
[11:08] <Jck_True> I had to sit in a meeting with him for an hour
[11:08] <Jck_True> where he repeatly said that its working correctly
[11:09] <Jck_True> And there was no way would could work together if I didn't understand the basic concepts of PLC programming
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> heh...
[11:09] <bts__> as for PLC, I have still the choice to study these industrial things or rather electronics... (starting studies in next month)
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[11:10] <Jck_True> Some PLC code is really horrifying
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> as part of a job I had to look at implementing an alternative to ladder for a new industrial controller once... So I hacked up something called AFLPL - A Fairy Light Programming Language - named because the first thing I hooked up to it was the company xmas tree lights :)
[11:11] <Jck_True> They interface with a RS-232 GSM modem further down.... See the hoops they jump through trying to construct AT commands
[11:12] <Jck_True> Every variable is in a global scope - No code reuse
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> and entire factorys run on these :)
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[11:13] <Jck_True> gordonDrogon: Nuclear powerplants....
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> part of my PhD was to create small autonomous factory/production units networked together rather than one huge overall control system.
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> it worked very well...
[11:14] <Jck_True> So many PLC's with lots of differnt software versions?!?!
[11:14] <Jck_True> (Just kidding - I know what you mean)
[11:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Why do they use PLCs and these strange programming languages instead of ruggedised microcontrollers anyway?
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> I used BBC Micros with a in-house designed microcontroller for each "station".
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> this was 25+ years ago...
[11:15] <Jck_True> ShiftPlusOne: I suppose it's where you come from - Ladder diagram makes perfect sense to an electrician...
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[11:16] <Jck_True> ShiftPlusOne: Started off as "smart relays" and then it's just legacy from there
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[11:17] <Jck_True> ShiftPlusOne: And business don't like big changes - They wanna evolve at a constant rate instead
[11:18] <Jck_True> So what starts off as "Start the pump if the tank is less than half full"
[11:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I understand the legacy reasons and resistance to change, I am just wondering if there's actually a benefit.
[11:18] <Jck_True> ends up as a huge complicated thing over 10 years
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> vendor lock-in.
[11:19] <Jck_True> ShiftPlusOne: PLC programming is VERY easy for simple stuff
[11:20] <Jck_True> ShiftPlusOne: And the hardware is allready made
[11:20] <ShiftPlusOne> and pricey
[11:21] <Jck_True> ShiftPlusOne: Pricey? 400£ for a PLC vs a 2000£ for a print production start up?
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> wah? where is the 2000 coming from?
[11:22] <Jck_True> If you want a printed circut board
[11:24] <ShiftPlusOne> hm =/
[11:28] <ShorTie> gaffer tape ??
[11:28] <ShorTie> mornin folfs
[11:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ey
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[11:30] <ShorTie> just reading gordonDrogon's Techcamp 2013 write up
[11:30] <ShorTie> never heard of that stuff
[11:33] <flufmnstr> hey yall. im working on getting the open usb module working in debian 3.6.11. i see the module get picked up in dmesg, but it doesnt appear to be given a designation in /dev. any ideas?
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[11:33] <flufmnstr> relevent dmesg output http://pastebin.com/GnZqD3sQ
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, yea - it was great stuff!
[11:37] <ShorTie> what is it like, duck tape
[11:37] <flufmnstr> *open dmx usb module for ola
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[11:42] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, duck/duct tape - it has a light side, a dark side and holds the universe together :)
[11:42] <ShorTie> that it does
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[11:46] <ShorTie> camp sounds like it was a great time for all
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[11:46] <gordonDrogon> it was pretty hard work, but very rewarding.
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> we had about 85 the first week and about 70 the 2nd week.
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> each young person got to choose 2 courses to do for a week, and a small number stayed over for both weeks.
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> so as well as the introduction to the Pi and programming, they could build a pair of laser tag guns, build & launch model rockets, play with floor crawling robots, do game and web design.
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> next year I'll be splitting the Pi into beginner and advanced.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> I'd no idea in advance of the abilities of the people attending, so for a few it was stuff they'd done before, but for most it was all relatively new.
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> and I got to teach them BASIC :)
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[11:52] <gordonDrogon> as well as scratch and python )-:
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[11:57] <ShorTie> i like basic
[11:57] <ShorTie> good old TRaSh-80
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[12:24] <gordonDrogon> Get basic on the Pi here:) https://projects.drogon.net/return-to-basic/rtb-download-and-install/
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[12:41] <Tachyon`> -FOUND
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[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Oh yeah
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> It's been a while
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[12:47] <Tachyon`> lol
[12:47] <Tachyon`> I used to have an IBM XT model 286 that actually had the ROM Basic
[12:48] <Tachyon`> (although no tape port, that was removed on that machine)
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[12:50] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[13:54] <Xethron> Greetings
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[13:55] <Xethron> Running Raspbian, and trying get a barcode scanner working
[13:56] <Xethron> lsusb shows the scanner, however, using it doesn't seem to work
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> don't most of them just pretend to be a serial device?
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> So use minicom -D /dev/ttyUSBx ... ?
[13:56] <Xethron> I believe it pretends to be a keyboard?
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> should be fairly trivial then..
[13:57] <Xethron> I have it working on my linux, so, if you need me to check anything I can try
[13:57] <Xethron> 1109472-3
[13:57] <Xethron> meh, wrong screen, soz
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> so it works on a "normal" Linux PC, but not on the Pi ?
[13:58] <Xethron> yes
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> odd...
[13:58] <Xethron> Running Linux Mint here
[13:58] <Xethron> The Pi sees it in lsusb
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[13:58] <gordonDrogon> the only thing I'd be suspicious of (assming dmesg/lsusb looks OK) is power.
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> just in-case the Pi can't power it's scanning laser enough?
[13:59] <Xethron> Well
[13:59] <Xethron> The barcode scanner shows the lazer and it beeps when it sees a barcode
[13:59] <Xethron> but it doesn't enter the text
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> ok
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> scrap that idea then!
[13:59] <Xethron> it should "type" out the code and press enter
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> I know the Pi can handle multiple mouse & keyboard inputs...
[14:00] <Xethron> haha
[14:00] <Xethron> umm
[14:01] <Xethron> We made the most stupid mistake... I'm too ashamed to mention it
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> go on :)
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[14:02] <Xethron> We're using vnc to connect to it as we dont have a HDMI screen... I believe the vnc server is connected to a new screen... which means, we won't see the input
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> a-ha...
[14:03] <Xethron> *facepalm*
[14:03] <Xethron> sorry for the bother
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[14:05] <stevenm> Lo, I'm wondering why the Pi (that I've barely used - but today have a use for) is slow insanely slow.
[14:05] <stevenm> I've got raspian running on it, and simply commands like 'apt-cache search libreoffice' take forever
[14:06] <stevenm> ran rpi-update too and I think it updated - didn't speed it up though
[14:06] <stevenm> oh and by forever I mean - still waiting :P
[14:06] <bortzmeyer> stevenm: Debian admin commands are always slow. ArchLinux on the Pi is much better, for admin-related commands.
[14:06] <nid0> what sort of storage are you using
[14:06] <stevenm> a 16gb microsd in an sd adapter
[14:06] <nid0> (i've just run apt-cache search libreoffice on my pi and its 6 seconds to complete)
[14:07] <stevenm> nid0, this looks like it might well be 6 hours lol
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[14:07] <nid0> is it just commands related to apt that take an age?
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[14:07] <stevenm> no other things like X starting up seemed sluggish - and loading up the LXDE terminal
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> if it's slow, try running the top command inside a terminal.
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[14:08] <nid0> I suppose you arent using like a class 2 microsd are you?
[14:08] <stevenm> setting locales/timezones/keyboard wasn't snappy either
[14:08] <stevenm> no a class 4 i think it is
[14:08] <stevenm> yeah it is
[14:09] <nid0> run a
[14:09] <nid0> dd bs=1M count=256 if=/dev/zero of=test conv=fdatasync
[14:09] <stevenm> ok running...
[14:09] <stevenm> won't that make a 256mb file?
[14:09] <nid0> if it takes more than about 2 minutes, problem identified
[14:09] <nid0> yes
[14:10] <stevenm> is there a list of known bad sd's for the pi?
[14:10] <stevenm> ah wait 0 it just finished - under a minute
[14:10] <nid0> whats the speed?
[14:11] <stevenm> 268435456 bytes (268 MB) copied, 86.3575 s, 3.1 MB/s
[14:11] <nid0> kinda slow, but shouldnt be causing major issues at the terminal
[14:11] <stevenm> is it bad I picked 256mb for GPU?
[14:11] <nid0> not if you're using a 512MB pi
[14:12] <stevenm> can't remember what this is - will something like lshw tell me?
[14:12] <nid0> check free -m
[14:13] <nid0> thatll show how much is *not* in use by the gpu
[14:13] <stevenm> mem has a total of 57
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[14:13] <nid0> ah.
[14:13] <stevenm> yeah that's what I thought
[14:13] <nid0> so you probably have a 256mb pi
[14:13] <nid0> set your gpu mem down to like 16 for now
[14:13] <nid0> then restart and try everything again
[14:13] <stevenm> ok rebooting...
[14:13] <stevenm> i used raspi-config
[14:14] <stevenm> all I need it do is show a libreoffice impress slideshow
[14:14] <stevenm> so I figured more memory to the gpu is better
[14:14] <nid0> you'll eventually want more than 16mb for the gpu if you want desktop stuff, but lowering it then trying agha
[14:14] <nid0> ain will confirm whether that was your problem
[14:15] <nid0> if your pi had only 60MB of ram to play with though, it will be
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> the normal desktop doesn't use the gpu.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> only playing video and some games for now.
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[14:17] <stevenm> aha! apt-cache is much quicker now at searching :)
[14:17] <workingcats> hello, i'm still having a little problem with midori+media berry and omxplayer. i can start omxplayer from the shell inside xterm so that it blacks out the parts of the screen not taken up by the video
[14:17] <stevenm> so yeah looks like i'm a 256mb-er
[14:17] <workingcats> however, when i try to do the same with media berry i just cant get it to work..
[14:18] <workingcats> so this works from the shell: xterm -fullscreen -fg black -e bash -c "omxplayer -o local \"$videoPath\""
[14:19] <workingcats> and this is the original command in /opt/media-berry/server/omxplayer.sh: /usr/bin/omxplayer -o local "$videoPath" < "$controlFilePath"
[14:19] <workingcats> and this is my latest attempt at getting the two combined, so to speak: xterm -fullscreen -fg black -e bash -c "omxplayer -o local \"$videoPath\"" < \"$controlFilePath\""
[14:20] <workingcats> any ideas? :/
[14:20] <stevenm> gordonDrogon, well I take it libreoffice impress showing a slideshow that uses opengl transitions *would* use the GPU?
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[14:21] <knob> Good morning everyone =)
[14:22] <knob> Has anybody seen a dc-iris lens used with the rPi Camera Board? I've searched, yet can't find anything.
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[14:36] <gordonDrogon> stevenm, actually, I've no idea... it it did then it might be impressive, but my experience of using libreoffice to display a slide show has been one requiring a little bit of patience (although it was very usable)
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[14:47] <MrVector> Reading https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal/blob/master/interrupts.c , what I don't get is the interrupt_vectors() function, and how it "registers" the interrupt handlers. Any tips on further reading about this?
[14:48] <MrVector> If you look at the inline asm, it looks like it'll just create a bunch of function calls, however I suspect some magic with the interrupt("...") attribute.
[14:49] <MrVector> Just not sure how it's tied together :-)
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[15:09] <SgtBurned> Hello? *Dust ball rolls by*
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[15:19] <gordonDrogon> it's a quite afternoon here...
[15:19] <JodaZ> *quiet
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> thats what I typed, dyslectically.
[15:22] <MrVector> Unfortunately there's a lot of work and not so much play!
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> MrVector, baremetal... just that... 'bare' :)
[15:25] <JodaZ> has anyone ever thought about making something like raspberry but with all open source hardware?
[15:26] <MrVector> gordonDrogon I know that, but I'm not sure I get what you're trying to say :-/
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> JodaZ, the hard part is getting something with a nice/fast display.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> MrVector, bare metal - a lot of work to get something to work...
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[15:28] <MrVector> I know that, and I'm all for it. :)
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[15:28] <MrVector> Not sure if/how this is relevant to what I've said
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[15:28] <gordonDrogon> MrVector, I'm sticking to microcontrollers for bare-metal stuff :)
[15:29] <MrVector> I like power, oh sweet power!
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[15:29] <MrVector> Might end up porting my rpi bare metal project to x86 some day
[15:30] <JodaZ> what porting would be required there ?
[15:30] <MrVector> Right now it's all very much based on the hardware of the pi
[15:30] <MrVector> Would need to rewrite all of that :)
[15:31] <eval-> hey hackers. how can I get a smoothed estimate of %cpu usage (ie, over the last n seconds or minutes) ?
[15:32] <eval-> top -p -b -n1 | awk '{print $9}' ... is too instantaneous. ps -o %cpu is since the processes' birth and so recent history becomes progressively dampened
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> non command line option
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> htop
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> can do updates every 3 minutes, for example, and you can then see CPU average over that periods
[15:36] <pksato> eval-: watch -n 5 vmstat
[15:38] <SgtBurned> or just loop, get the CPU instantaneous and then average it out over 5 seconds.
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[15:38] <eval-> SgtBurned: I'm looking to do less work then that. Yes, I want per-process cpu averages collected over some window
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[15:46] <gordonDrogon> eval-, /proc/stat has the information you need - e.g. the cpu ticks as an incrementing number.
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[15:49] <SgtBurned> Psst, Stephan. *Hi Five, UK!*
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[16:24] <PhotoJim> j4jackj: no crimes of which I'm aware :)
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[16:27] <SgtBurned> *Yawns*
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[16:30] <SgtBurned> nitdega smells.
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[16:48] <donoban> hi, anybody has tried to install Quagga on the raspberry?
[16:48] <donoban> I'm getting this error:
[16:48] <donoban> /usr/lib/quagga/zebra: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/quagga/zebra: undefined symbol: setsockopt_ipv6_multicast_hops
[16:49] <Dagger2> `modprobe ipv6`, maybe?
[16:49] <donoban> I didn't find nothing useful in google
[16:49] <donoban> uhM, let me try
[16:49] <donoban> no, still getting same error :(
[16:53] <Dagger2> I'm not finding anything useful either
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[16:55] <workingcats> donoban, sounds like whatever library provides that symbol is either missing or outdated
[16:55] <workingcats> you get the error when try to run it i guess?
[16:56] <donoban> yes If I run the binary direclty I get same error
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[16:56] <workingcats> how did you install it and on which OS?
[16:57] <donoban> Raspbian just apt-get install quagga
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[16:58] <workingcats> i take it deactivating zebra isnt an option for you?
[16:59] <donoban> I'm pretty noob with quagga but I suppose that without zebra I can't get routing working
[16:59] <donoban> I'm trying to do a ad-hoc network with Raspberrys
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[17:01] <donoban> maybe I've should try to compile it from source
[17:01] <donoban> It will complain if a library is missing
[17:01] <workingcats> worth a shot
[17:01] <workingcats> yeah
[17:01] <donoban> ok let's go hehe
[17:03] <donoban> what should I do if it compiles fine but doesn't need any additional lib?
[17:03] <donoban> replace compiled binary?
[17:03] <workingcats> remove the version installed with the package manager, use your own, and file a bug report in any case ;)
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[17:04] <InanTop> I'm trying to port an existing mobile OpenGLES engine to the raspberry pi, but I'm seeing terrible performance
[17:04] <InanTop> Is there a software rendering fallback that I could be triggering? What performance troubleshooting steps would you recommend for a native OpenGLES application?
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[17:05] <donoban> hehe ok workingcats
[17:06] <InanTop> Any known OpenGLES performance issues with the raspberry pi? Is there a best practices guide... anything?
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[17:08] <gyeben> hi
[17:09] <gyeben> I compiled an OpenGL ES application, but when I run it, I only get a black screen with a mouse cursor
[17:09] <gyeben> what can be the problem?
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[17:09] <InanTop> gyeben: almost anything
[17:09] <InanTop> black screen is the most common graphics bug
[17:10] <InanTop> if it's your own code, put in calls to glGetError and eglGetError in appropriate places
[17:10] <gyeben> well, unfortunately it's not my own code
[17:11] <InanTop> any console output?
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[17:11] <gyeben> I can't exit the app without a reboot
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[17:12] <InanTop> I can't realy suggest anything without more information
[17:12] <InanTop> missing assets perhaps
[17:12] <InanTop> if it's not your own code
[17:12] <InanTop> and you trust that it works
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[17:13] <gyeben> I tried to compile and run this codebase: https://github.com/RKSimon/extremetuxracer
[17:13] <gyeben> it uses OpenGLES
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[17:13] <gyeben> and according to the internet, it works on the ODROID devices
[17:14] <gyeben> so I think that some Pi-specific stuff has to be the problem here
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[17:15] <workingcats> gyeben, you can login via ssh to check things without rebooting
[17:15] <Deadlights> ODROID is a different device. I'm ordering the XU, which looks amazing from there, but you can't expect it to work the same way with Pi. Totally different hardware.
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[17:16] <gyeben> the app in question runs on Linux and supports OpenGLES
[17:17] <gyeben> so, it should *somehow* run on the Pi, shouldn't it?
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[17:17] <SgtBurned> the answer speaks for itself in the fact that you have a black screen.
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[17:18] <SgtBurned> Maybe it it a small error, maybe it is a large on going error caused by hardware.
[17:18] <SgtBurned> All I can offer is that it's most likely hardware specific or you are missing something.
[17:18] <Deadlights> While there is a good chance it could be made to run on Pi, like SgtBurned said, it obviously isn't out of the box.
[17:18] <Deadlights> So to speak.
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[17:20] <workingcats> gyeben, it's obviously not that easy..
[17:20] <workingcats> there's more to a piece of hardware than running linux and supporting GLES
[17:20] <Deadlights> This is like going back to the old school days of Linux, my friend. Back when you had to edit code and make programs work for your system regularly. =D
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[17:23] <InanTop> Any known caveats when running ES on the pi?
[17:23] <InanTop> I've got a successful port but the performance sucks
[17:23] <InanTop> port of a proprietary mobile engine
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[17:26] <InanTop> Is the ES 2.0 support on the pi 100% hardware accelerated support?
[17:26] <InanTop> Are some things emulated?
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> I thought Open GL ES was what was natively supported on the Pi?
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> it's what things like Quake and Open Arena use AIUI..
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> it's not an area I know much about though.
[17:27] <InanTop> It's reporting that ES 2.0 is supported, but the GL spec is very loose with those terms
[17:27] <InanTop> for example, on OSX, anything above OpenGL 3.0 (I think) is "supported" via software emulation
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> I imagine Minecraft uses it too.
[17:27] <InanTop> but it will still report that it's supported
[17:27] <InanTop> so I'm wondering if our engine is making use of some API calls that are not accelerated
[17:27] <SgtBurned> GL ES is definitly Supported
[17:27] <InanTop> unfortunately I have no way of knowing
[17:28] <SgtBurned> Read numerous reports and tutorials that state GL ES is very usuable, even in the early stages of RPi
[17:28] <InanTop> ES 1.0 or 2.0?
[17:28] <SgtBurned> 2.0
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[17:28] <InanTop> Interesting
[17:28] <InanTop> thanks
[17:28] <InanTop> our engine is a 2.0 engine, it runs great on iOS / Android / Blackberry
[17:28] <InanTop> but seems to struggle on the pi
[17:28] <InanTop> I have no idea why at the moment
[17:29] <SgtBurned> https://github.com/nfz/RPIGears
[17:29] <SgtBurned> A nice GL ES 2.0 demo showing 3D Gears
[17:29] <SgtBurned> Could be the GPU limitations ?
[17:29] <InanTop> I thought the GPU was comparable to mobile devices
[17:29] <SgtBurned> I don't know much about Hardware, hence why I got stuck into the programming part of the company xD
[17:30] <InanTop> thanks for that link
[17:30] <InanTop> yeah I don't know much about hardware either but we're a small company
[17:30] <InanTop> so sometimes you need to wear these uncomfortable hardware shoes
[17:30] <InanTop> haha
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[17:31] <workingcats> i _suspect_ that the pi is weaker than medium/top range current phones. but tbh that's pretty much a wild guess..
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[17:31] <InanTop> I initially thought we might be CPU bound but that doesn't seem to be the case
[17:31] <InanTop> I'll report back if I find anything, thanks for the suggestions
[17:31] <workingcats> oh, do you have sufficient RAM assigned to the GPU?
[17:32] <InanTop> 256/256 split
[17:32] <workingcats> hm
[17:32] <SgtBurned> Not that then...
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[17:32] <workingcats> maybe not enough CPU-RAM then?
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[17:32] <workingcats> but i guess you checked that
[17:32] <Deadlights> It is weaker than most midrange phones, yes.
[17:32] <SgtBurned> I'm taking off these Hardware shoes. They are hella uncomfatable and i'd rather slip into my Python Slippers.
[17:32] <InanTop> Fill-rate seems not to be a big factor
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[17:32] <InanTop> a 100x100 output performs only marginally better than a full HD output
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[17:32] <InanTop> hmm
[17:32] <nmpro> good morning..
[17:33] <InanTop> hello_triangle2 is also a full mandelbrot demo so I doubt it's shader limited
[17:33] <InanTop> I'll keep digging
[17:33] <InanTop> thanks
[17:33] <workingcats> gl
[17:33] <InanTop> thank you
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[18:00] <InanTop> What's the recommended system call to grab raspberry pi's "time" for benchmarking/deltas
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[18:00] <InanTop> clock_gettime works sometimes, other times it returns bad values
[18:01] <InanTop> or our engine's time reporting is broken... sigh
[18:01] <InanTop> I'm just trying to take a delta
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[18:02] <mike_t> clock_gettime() with CLOCK_MONOTONIC scale is good choice
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[18:02] <InanTop> mike_t: that's what our engine uses, but I'm getting "0" reported
[18:02] <InanTop> is there a precision issue
[18:02] <InanTop> maybe I'll use it directly
[18:03] <InanTop> instead of relying on our engine
[18:05] <mike_t> what is the value of the delta? the smallest meaningful timestamp resolution on the Pi is 1 microsecond.
[18:06] <InanTop> The actual delta value shouldn't be small
[18:06] <InanTop> but I'm actually getting a zero for the time, not hte delta
[18:06] <InanTop> the only post-processing our engine does on the vfalue is to convert it into a 64-bit integer in microseconds
[18:07] <InanTop> the time between samples is probably up to 20 seconds, but I'm getting zero and zero reported
[18:07] <InanTop> I'll try clock_gettime manually
[18:09] <InanTop> I seem to get a non-zero value now
[18:09] <InanTop> crisis aveted
[18:09] <InanTop> averted*
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[18:15] <johnc-> oh whose bright idea was that :/ omxplayer isn't playing a file but doesn't exit omxplayer
[18:15] <johnc-> just sits there
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> maybe its reading from stdin?
[18:26] <johnc-> seems unlikely
[18:26] <johnc-> same command line as other files that do work just with a different filename
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[18:51] <johnc-> hmm, playing a url makes it freeze on the last frame of the video
[18:51] <johnc-> but playing through a fifo doesn't
[18:51] <johnc-> weird
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[19:26] <buzzsaw> ello
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[19:31] <nmpro> buzzsaw, hello
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[19:40] <buzzsaw> what is the default username and password for raspbian?
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[19:42] <tig|> user : pi
[19:42] <tig|> pass : raspberry
[19:42] <buzzsaw> thanks :-)
[19:42] <buzzsaw> first time I put raspbian on the pi...
[19:42] <tig|> cool :)
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[19:44] <buzzsaw> I got it and put kali on it for a bit then had to pack it up. Today is the first day since the move that I have seen it :-)
[19:46] <buzzsaw> I find it odd that it has sudo by default and no "real" root.
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[19:46] <buzzsaw> easy enough to fix...
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[19:51] <Mortvert> buzzsaw, think security measure
[19:52] <Mortvert> to avoid id10t
[19:53] <Mortvert> Since it's rather easy to mess up stuff when you're root all the time
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[19:53] <johnc-> anytime you're root you're just 12 keystrokes away from a destroyed system
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[19:59] <SrRaven> uhhh which 12 ?
[19:59] <johnc-> ok, 9!
[20:00] <ShorTie> format c:
[20:00] <johnc-> pretty much
[20:00] <johnc-> rm -rf /
[20:00] <ozzzy> mv * /dev/null
[20:00] <ShorTie> oh ya, thats fun too...
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[20:03] <atouk> that's easy to fix "mv /dev/NSA *" Use your official govt approved backup services. A free service in a free country (tm)
[20:03] <ozzzy> actually... you'd have to do something like for a in `find . -type f`; do mv -T $a /dev/null; done
[20:03] <ozzzy> =)
[20:03] <jhoffmann> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda
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[20:04] <ozzzy> that'd work... I never gave this much thought
[20:04] <jhoffmann> things to do at work when moral is low.
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[20:05] <ozzzy> "The floggings will continue until the attitude around here improves"
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[20:17] <buzzsaw> Mortvert: haha its just as easy to bork something as non root using sudo ;-)
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[20:40] <buzzsaw> this is unusual... the pi booted and all was good. I ddid an ssh in and it worked fine. did some updates to packages rebooted and nothing...
[20:40] <buzzsaw> Now I plug into my HDMI TV and still nothing
[20:41] <sney> what do your blinkenlights tellyou
[20:41] <buzzsaw> they were all on solid
[20:42] <sney> all of them? that's generally not a good sign
[20:42] <sney> re-seat everything and try again
[20:42] <buzzsaw> act was not on
[20:43] <buzzsaw> okay its rebooting
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[20:50] <vadmeste> Hello everybody. I heard that RPI provides 100mA for each of its USB ports, is that also true for the last 4G RPI ?
[20:51] <sney> as long as it's getting enough input power, I would say probably? I haven't seen an announcement about that changing
[20:51] <PhotoJim> vadmeste: use a powered USB hub. far more reliable.
[20:51] <PhotoJim> vadmeste: you can also use the hub to power the Pi.
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[20:52] * buzzsaw still needs to get a powered usb hub...
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[20:56] * nmpro also needs a powered usb hub.. ;)
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[21:03] <pksato> new arrivals from china: 1xPCF8591 (AD/DA module), 2xmicro usb cable, 2xDHT11, 2xbreadboard (400).
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[21:04] <Diaoul> hi
[21:04] <pksato> ola
[21:04] <Diaoul> I'm using an nfs as rootfs on my Pi and I'm looking for options to reduce io
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> pksato, all supported in wiringPi :-)
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> Diaoul, don't put root on NFS - that'll reduce IO a bit ;-)
[21:05] <pksato> :), now need some spare time to put on work.
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[21:09] <gordonDrogon> spare time... what a concept!
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[21:12] <gordonDrogon> vadmeste, 4G Pi ?
[21:13] <Diaoul> I meant NFS i/o
[21:13] <Diaoul> or sd card io
[21:13] <vadmeste> gordonDrogon: yes, I think it means the RPI with 512Mb of RAM.
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> vadmeste, the Pi has about 2-300 mA spare on its 5v supply - that's shared between USB and the GPIO.
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> vadmeste, ok.
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> Diaoul, yea - I was just teasing...
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> Diaoul, you could try running cachefs on the Pi to SD card, but I've not found it particularly stable.
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> Diaoul, or just boot off SD and NFS mount /home - which is something I occasionally do.
[21:16] <DMackey> Question : I have an RALINK RT5370N USB Adapter, Works fine for about a day then no longer works, I have to reboot the RPi to get access back to it.
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[21:16] <DMackey> Restarting Networking doesn't help either.
[21:18] <sbma44> hi all -- anyone have links to a wicd configuration tutorial that's more readable than the man page? I've been using wicd-curses to great effect, but not having much luck writing config files that will *just work* when all I really have in hand is an SSID and wpa2 passphrase. In particular, wicd's config file seems to assume the base station MAC and channel will be available, even if the config option to connect to any
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[21:18] <sbma44> identically-named networks is enabled.
[21:19] <Diaoul> what about tmpfs for /var/tmp and /var/log ?
[21:20] <sbma44> I'd love to know if there's a trick to this or perhaps a script that could simplify the process. wicd-curses is great but unusable over SSH since connecting to a network flushes the existing connections -- that means I can only configure new networks by being on-site with an HDMI display and keyboard :P
[21:20] <pksato> Diaoul: to reduce IO, mount rootfs as ro, and disable daemons like syslog, crond and others.
[21:21] <sney> sbma44: it sounds like you might be better suited by just writing configurations in interfaces, not a full networking daemon
[21:22] <sbma44> sney: perhaps you're right. I was scared off of that by my experience on the beaglebone with its awful connman manager (basically impossible to tear out). might be worth another try.
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[21:22] <Diaoul> sounds like a little extreme pksato
[21:22] <pksato> or, need a "full embedded" OS.
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[21:23] <Diaoul> I just don't want useless IO to occur on my NFS share
[21:23] <Diaoul> like logs or whatever
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[21:23] <pksato> disable or configure syslogd to dont write on file.
[21:24] <Diaoul> is there a log where I can find write IO on rootfs too see most frequently modified files?
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[21:24] <sney> sbma44: 'man 5 interfaces' might help you make that decision.
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[21:24] <tig|> chuck /var into a small ram drive
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[21:24] <sbma44> sney: thanks. the ladyada rpi docs look temptingly straightforward. time to pull wicd out of my bootstrap scripts, I guess
[21:24] <pksato> but, IO is very litle. some bytes per second.
[21:25] <pksato> on normal condition.
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[21:25] <gordonDrogon> Diaoul, look in /etc/default/tmpfs
[21:25] <pksato> crond generante log every minute.
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> Diaoul, remove syslogd too (unless you actually read the log-files)
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[21:27] <pksato> Diaoul: that is use of rpi ?
[21:27] <Diaoul> 1 openhab server and 1 xbmc
[21:27] <Diaoul> NFS is on a Synology NAS but I suspect NFS share to have a bad impact on my write bandwidth to my NAS
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[21:28] <Diaoul> I usually can write ~110MB/s with the two booted up I barely have ~50MB/s
[21:29] <pksato> at boot time?
[21:29] <Diaoul> PC (with SSD) - > NAS
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[21:30] <Diaoul> I like the idea to have my NFS on my NAS (RAID 5) so I don't have to worry about overclocking SD Card corruption or SD Card dying prematurely
[21:31] <Diaoul> 50MB is pretty great but I wonder why the 60MB drop because of my 2 RPi so I'm trying to reduce IO on the RPi side to see if that has an effect, then I'll try to tweak NFS settings
[21:31] <pksato> even full configured, syslog write few kbytes per second.
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[21:32] <gordonDrogon> Diaoul, you're unlikely to wear-out the SD card - my originals now about 16 months old are still going.
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> and remember the Pi only has 100Mb or 10MB/sec ethernet...
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> you can usually get double that off a local SD card (reading, anyway).
[21:32] <sney> SD cards do die, though. keep spares
[21:32] <pksato> or NAS not on local network?
[21:33] <Diaoul> NAS is on local network, RAID 5 gives me some security and I've already broken an SD Card due too overclocking
[21:34] <pksato> dont overvlock above save limit.
[21:35] <pksato> overclock
[21:35] <Diaoul> I'd try iSCSI LUN as rootfs but it doesn't seem anyone did this before
[21:35] <pksato> iSCSI have more IO.
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[21:36] <nid0> Diaoul: it's been done
[21:36] <nid0> it was done within about a week of the pi being released
[21:36] <nid0> and an extensive guide on the process was put on the wiki
[21:36] <nid0> (by me)
[21:37] <vadmeste> thanks PhotoJim
[21:38] <Diaoul> and if I remember correctly that guide, you had to recompile a kenel with the correct kernel modules
[21:38] <vadmeste> I have another question for everybody, I have two RPIs (512Mb) and one sdcard. When I plug the sdcard on the first box, it works (Act LED blinks) however, the second RPI won't work. Is that a known issue ?
[21:38] <tig|> vadmeste: same power supply?
[21:38] <nid0> Diaoul: yes, the raspbian kernel by default includes no iscsi support
[21:39] <Diaoul> which I didn't want back in the time because then I'd have to do that manually in case of an update. There was an issue on the GH about getting kernel iscsi support but I don't know if it was done or not
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[21:42] <vadmeste> tig|: yes
[21:42] <tig|> vadmeste: anything on the display?
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[21:43] <vadmeste> tig|: no
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[21:43] <pksato> vadmeste: two new rpis?
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[21:43] <pksato> not working, work before?
[21:44] <vadmeste> pksato: they are both 3 months old
[21:44] <vadmeste> pksato: but when I use another same model sdcard, it works on both
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[21:45] <pksato> not work with specific sd card?
[21:46] <pksato> clear contatcs on rpi and card, check if sd card holder is not damanged.
[21:46] <pksato> plastic parts of holder.
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[21:49] <Diaoul> nid0: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/118
[21:49] <nid0> well there you go then :)
[21:50] <nid0> dont know that i've actually extensively used a fresh raspbian kernel for almost a year
[21:50] <nid0> i'll check on it and get the guide updated if it is there now
[21:50] <Diaoul> nid0: you tried it, how is performance compared to nfs?
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[21:50] <nid0> better, and works very well with a synology nas
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[22:06] <Diaoul> nid0: sudo iscsiadm -m discovery -t st -p xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx returns iscsiadm: Cannot perform discovery. Invalid Initiatorname.
[22:06] <Diaoul> iscsiadm: Could not perform SendTargets discovery: invalid parameter
[22:06] <nid0> did you set a valid initiator name?
[22:07] <Diaoul> I'm not familiar with discovery stuff, I use iSCSI with my VirtualBox
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[22:07] <Diaoul> never used iscsiadm
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[22:07] <Diaoul> any particular configuration on the Synology side?
[22:07] <Diaoul> Except having LUN/Target ?
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[22:09] <nid0> no, you just need the lun and target to be setup - the guide does assume you don't have chap auth enabled though
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[22:09] <Diaoul> I don't
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[22:11] <Diaoul> obviously I missed something obvious, I just typed the above command on my Pi with the IP of my NAS instead of xxx. I gtg I'll try later, thanks for your help
[22:12] <nid0> im not familiar with that error, and nor is google it seems :\
[22:13] <Diaoul> what does m stands for here: CONFIG_ISCSI_TCP=m
[22:13] <Diaoul> ?
[22:14] <Diaoul> Seems different than what you get with your kernel
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[22:14] <nid0> m means its a loadable module but isnt actually built in
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[22:16] <nid0> modify /etc/modules and add iscsi_tcp to the list
[22:16] <nid0> then run depmod -a
[22:16] <nid0> then modprobe iscsi_tcp and it should be listed
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[22:20] <Diaoul> nope it's not
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[22:24] <nid0> well if its not there thatll be your problem, but why its not there if it is included as a module and you've just done those steps I don't know
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[22:25] <nid0> i'll check the state of the kernel with a fresh install sometime and see whats up with the modules and update the guide
[22:25] <nid0> by the way
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[22:26] <nid0> just having iscsi support doesn't allow you to get an iscsi root with no kernel alterations, because initramfs support is presumably still not enabled by default, and you need to enable that and setup an initramfs to get a full iscsi root working
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[23:18] <Romeo-> moin geeks
[23:18] <Romeo-> which of u guys run on a raspberry pi oscam?:)
[23:19] <ShorTie> probily be better just to state the problem if there is 1
[23:20] <Romeo-> yay
[23:20] <Romeo-> i cannot connect connect whit a clint on
[23:20] <Romeo-> eve
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[23:20] <Romeo-> even the software server (oscam) are working well
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[23:21] <Romeo-> the logs are clear and so on...
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[23:25] <ShorTie> sorry, i dont have the oscam to help
[23:25] <Romeo-> no problem:)
[23:25] <Romeo-> just saying
[23:25] <Romeo-> on a alix board works perfect
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[23:28] <Diaoul> nid0: how do I know initramfs is present or not?
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[23:32] <Diaoul> zcat /proc/config.gz | grep RAMFS => # CONFIG_CRAMFS is not set
[23:32] <Diaoul> I guess that's my answer
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[23:46] <Diaoul> nid0: I get iscsi_tcp working fine after reboot
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[23:46] <Diaoul> don't know what I missed
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