#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-09-05

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[0:29] <Sonny_Jim> Chuckie Egg rules
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[1:03] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
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[1:14] <Sonny_Jim> Stupid advancemess
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[1:15] <Sonny_Jim> Normally, when scrollock is pressed it disables the UI keys
[1:15] <Sonny_Jim> Unfortunately on the Pi version it seems to ignore this
[1:15] <Sonny_Jim> So when I try pressing F1 under BBC B emulation, it sends F1 to the emulator core AND opens the help window
[1:16] <Sonny_Jim> When I try this on other platforms it only sends F1 to the emulator core
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[1:22] <nmpro> have a good night everyone!
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[2:25] <hotch> not sure the proper channel but i do believe that many of us share common interests. I'm not really "into" ownCloud, writing my own osx contacts sync service for the pi now, but is there YET a "dropbox clone" out there that is just that … not a zillion other features that i don't need? anyone found anything, let me know .. :)
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[2:27] <troulouliou_dev> hotch, i like spideroak for the encryption approach
[2:27] <troulouliou_dev> hotch, the nonzillion feature one is ubuntu one i guess
[2:27] <hotch> i did notice spider oak, are you using it on a pi?
[2:28] <hotch> heh
[2:28] <troulouliou_dev> hotch, ha no i m not even sure if it can work without gui
[2:28] <hotch> don't let me rant but i think that its bullshit that people want open source freebies and done contribute themselves. a dropbox clone with a few clients and a server could be done with a team so fast :/
[2:29] <hotch> troulouliou_dev: not directed at you sir :)
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[2:29] <troulouliou_dev> hotch, ubuntu one is open source no ?
[2:29] <hotch> checking
[2:30] <sney> warning: there's a swearing rule in here. the ops tend to roll in like 10 minutes later to enforce it, too
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[2:31] <hotch> nah troulouliou_dev its gpl3 with only some components being open
[2:31] <troulouliou_dev> hotch, but a perso cloud server + encrypted partition+ vpn + encfs + rsync can fit
[2:31] <hotch> sney: thx on the heads up
[2:32] <troulouliou_dev> hotch, and contribution to community through a blog post ;)
[2:32] <hotch> yes, i do like that idea - i think that my biggest issue is that say … i am on osx? just like dropbox i should have files syncing visually ala my toolbar.
[2:32] <hotch> hehe troulouliou_dev do you code? what's your poison
[2:33] <troulouliou_dev> hotch, poison ?
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[2:33] <hotch> a joke, "do you code … what's your poison (language[s] of choice)
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[2:34] <troulouliou_dev> hotch, ruby / c for perso stuff
[2:34] <troulouliou_dev> c# for work
[2:34] <troulouliou_dev> java when needed :)
[2:35] <hotch> hehe quote of the week. java when needeed
[2:35] <troulouliou_dev> hotch, what are you using your pi for ?
[2:36] <troulouliou_dev> i bought 2 one year ago and after a led blink test i needed month to find a real use of the
[2:36] <troulouliou_dev> m
[2:36] <hotch> currently web, working on an osx app to *actuallly* sync contacts unlike ownCloud and such
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[2:38] <hotch> troulouliou_dev: my buddy is one of the MailPile guys, can't wait to run email on the pi too. i get a decent amount of traffic - its nice walking by the pi and seeing my usb wifi blink as i get a hit :) so just web atm
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[3:41] <Sonny_Jim> So BeebEm is horrifically slow
[3:42] <Sonny_Jim> But the bbcb core of advancemess is OK on a 900MHz Pi
[3:42] <Sonny_Jim> Chuckie Egg rules!
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[3:55] <jdriver> Hello. Anyone have experience running a RAID 5 disk array on a raspberry?
[3:56] <sney> not directly, but it'd just be md like on any other linux device
[3:56] <sney> (and slow)
[3:56] <pksato> ON a NAS?
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[4:00] <jdriver> well i haven't implemented it yet
[4:00] <jdriver> currently have 2 x 2tb drives, with a script backing up one drive to the other
[4:00] <jdriver> but i'm running out of space
[4:00] <jdriver> it'd be nice to get a third or fourth drive
[4:01] <sney> md is really easy to use, there are a ton of manuals out there
[4:01] <sney> and it's just part of the linux kernel so there's not much overhead
[4:01] <jdriver> but i've heard, like has been mentioned, that maybe the rip can't keep up computation wise
[4:01] <jdriver> md, i'll have to look into that, not familiar
[4:01] <sney> basically any time you see an embedded device with a raid that runs linux, it's using md. and any time someone does software raid on a linux system, it's md or fakeraid
[4:02] <sney> sometimes it's just called "linux kernel raid" but md is the actual name
[4:02] <jdriver> looks like md supports raid 5 (and 6!) so if it runs well that's the solution
[4:02] <jdriver> thanks
[4:02] <sney> the pi can probably do the parity required but your disk i/o will get pretty slow
[4:03] <jdriver> i can live with that, nothing speed critical
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[4:05] <pksato> jdriver: you need a JBOD.
[4:06] <sney> well, actual raid parity is usually a good idea over jbod.
[4:06] <jdriver> i need data redundancy so i don't think jbod would work
[4:07] <pksato> 2TB is lot of data. CERN data? :)
[4:07] <jdriver> i'll set it up over the next few days as parts arrive, i'll report here how it goes. it's also running as a wifi hotspot and torrent server so it might overwhelm the little guy
[4:08] <sney> yeah that might be a stretch. you could always get another one
[4:08] <jdriver> naw, just personal/compsci studies stuff
[4:09] <pksato> rpi is very slow to disk I/O, have only one USB bus.
[4:10] <jdriver> yeah but that's still 60mB/s, more than enough (in theory) for my needs
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[4:10] <jdriver> even counting in my 4mB/s internet
[4:10] <pksato> 60mili bytes per second is really slow. :)
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[4:10] <sney> haha I was going to say
[4:11] <jdriver> faster than any write i do locally on my computer
[4:11] <jdriver> i think 2.5" drives, at least on my mac, well i don't see anything greater than 6 or so
[4:12] <jdriver> so i think the bus is faster than the write speed of the physical media
[4:14] <sney> the joke is that a small m means 'mili', as in the metric prefix meaning 1/1000
[4:14] <sney> when you're saying Mega you need M
[4:14] <jdriver> oops just tested it, my 2.5" drives can handle about 20MB/s, thanks for the correction
[4:15] <chithead> in most cases there is little confusion possible between mega and milli
[4:16] <sney> indeed, but it's still wise to be accurate anyway
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[4:23] <intothev01d> hello all. anyone running arkos?
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[4:47] <monkers> hello, anyone have an rpi talkin to an arduino?
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[4:52] <dowlf> monkers: yes, through bluetooth
[4:53] <ozzzy> my rpi talks to my arduino nicely... I just plug the arduino into a USB port and presto
[4:54] <dowlf> yep, that works too
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[5:00] <monkers> hrm... i guess if i dont need the usb ports thats probably the easiest way
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[5:01] <monkers> ozzy - did you use a guide or somethin?
[5:01] <monkers> got a link? :P
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[5:05] <monkers> does that power the arduino?
[5:05] <monkers> that'd be saweeet.
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[5:27] <Twist-> monkers: yeah. You can even run the arduino IDE on the Pi if you like.
[5:28] <Twist-> monkers: But serial comms work to nearly anything. node.js, python script, you name it.
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[5:30] <nerdboy> howdy
[5:36] <monkers> soo, i need to use the usb port on the arduino... whats my next best option? how about this approach - http://blog.oscarliang.net/raspberry-pi-arduino-connected-i2c/
[5:36] <monkers> hey nerdboy
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[10:08] <bts__> hello
[10:09] <bts__> I've lcd screen with 3V3_IN and 3V3_OUT pins, what's the purpose of the second one?
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[10:20] <ShiftPlusOne> got a link to the datasheet?
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[10:31] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi's
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[10:32] <ShiftPlusOne> ey
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[11:08] <gordonDrogon> Hm. just when you think you have a good wordpress anti-spam plugin, along comes smarter spammers.
[11:09] <bacobart> it's get really really annoying
[11:09] <bacobart> getting
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> akismet has blocked 100% of spammers so far, though there have been a few false positives
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[11:10] <bacobart> sure akismet blocks comment spam
[11:10] <bacobart> but on wordpress you end up with 90% of your registrations being spammers
[11:10] <ShiftPlusOne> change the registration url
[11:10] <bacobart> yeah there are all sorts of tricks
[11:10] <ShiftPlusOne> or disable registration if you don't need it
[11:11] <bacobart> but as gordonDrogon mentioned it just takes a while before they figure it out and the spam starts all over;p
[11:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe it's because my site is much smaller and less of a target, but I haven't had any problems after installing akismet and a general security plugin.
[11:13] <SpeedEvil> 'The below box is not a captcha, but a command line for a virtual raspberry pi. Wget, the kernel, bash, and ncftp are installed, nothing else. Compile and install a booting kde desktop from the upstream source repository on theftp server to login to this site'
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[11:14] <tig|> lol
[11:14] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[11:15] <MordFustang> can anyone tell me how to fix SD card, card is working fine in PC, camera. I also try to run fsck, defrag etc and all is good
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[11:19] <MordFustang> I own Transcend 8GB class 10 (TS8GSDHC10)
[11:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Sounds like there is nothing to fix
[11:21] <MordFustang> but why is not booting RPi?
[11:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, you didn't mention that bit
[11:21] <neilr> I had a Transcend 4GB card. Couldn't boot from it. I could mount it on other machines, fsck it, copy data to/from it. But not boot.
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[11:21] <MordFustang> card was working fine 3 weeks ago
[11:22] <neilr> Yup - mine worked fine up until Monday
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> MordFustang, 1) what happens to the LEDs when the card is plugged in? 2) What files are located on the first partition of the card?
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> So you're 100% sure you're writing the image correctly then?
[11:22] <neilr> I copied the /boot partition from a known good card to the Transcend card. Still wouldn't boot.
[11:22] <MordFustang> only red led is on when plug power in and first partiton is boot
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[11:23] <ShiftPlusOne> If that's all the information you can give, sounds like getting a new card is the way to go.
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[11:24] <MordFustang> would they maybe replace sd card its still in warranty?
[11:25] <SpeedEvil> if it doesn't work in a normal PC, pehaps
[11:25] * SpeedEvil grrs at stupid SD cards without SMART.
[11:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Depends on your luck. 90% certain they'll just say it works fine and you're using it for the wrong application.
[11:25] <MordFustang> it's working everywhere just not on RPi :D
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[11:29] <neilr> Sounds exactly the same as my problem - I was going to reimage the card, but, well, seeing as I can mount it in a card reader and get all the data off it anyway, I'm just going to use it as a backup.
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[11:31] <MordFustang> how about if I destroy sd card? :D that wont work anywhere
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[11:32] <ShiftPlusOne> If your ethics allows it and you can do it in a way that isn't obvious, I don't see why not.
[11:37] <ShiftPlusOne> *allow
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[12:08] <MrVector> Yo! I'm learning (by doing) some bare metal programming making an OS on my Rpi, lately there been more fuss about the "Ouya" device, anyone have any insight into how developing for this would differ frmo the pi?
[12:09] <MrVector> Is it possible? supported? Harder? The reason I'm looking at it is that it's got a bit more... oompf. :)
[12:10] <chris_99> if you're making your own OS, why would you need more oompf than the Pi
[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> D= treachery
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[12:13] <MrVector> chris_99, no particular reason (right now). Just curiosity :)
[12:13] <MrVector> ShiftPlusOne It's all about knowing your field!
[12:14] <MrVector> Built in wifi and bluetooth doesn't hurt either, I guess!
[12:15] <ShiftPlusOne> how open is the tegra3?
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[12:15] <MrVector> I don't know, this is why I'm asking here :-)
[12:16] <ShiftPlusOne> This isn't exactly #ouya, heh
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[12:16] <chris_99> "Nvidia distributes proprietary device drivers for Tegra through OEMs and as part of its "Linux for Tegra" (formerly "L4T") development kit. As of April 2012, due to different "business needs" from that of their GeForce line of graphics cards, Nvidia and one of their Embedded Partners, Avionic Design GmbH from Germany, are also working on submitting open source drivers for Tegra upstream to the mainline Linux kernel.[53][54] Nvidi
[12:16] <chris_99> a co-founder & CEO laid out the Tegra processor roadmap using Ubuntu Unity in GPU Technology Conference 2013.[55]"
[12:16] <MrVector> ShiftPlusOne, true, this is why I asked how it compares to the pi :)
[12:17] <MrVector> chris_99, so it's closed-ish now, but will open up, did I read that right?
[12:17] <workingcats> chris_99, nvidia has been fine for linux for a long time, except for graphics. not that that statement doesnt explicitly address graphics ;)
[12:18] <chris_99> yeah i guess MrVector
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I would say it would be harder, since the pi is very education-centric, which means you get a lot of tutorials, like the cambridge one
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I doubt there is an OS tutorial for tegra 3. You'd have to do all of the legwork
[12:18] <MrVector> This is true, but
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[12:18] <chris_99> workingcats, i wish manufacturers would release their source for hardware though, it's not as if you can use it for someone elses stuff too :)
[12:19] <MrVector> They do cover a lot of "beginners ground", so say you did the Rpi tutorials first, then you might be able to translate that knowledge to other platforms
[12:19] <workingcats> chris_99, for drivers you mean ;)
[12:19] <chris_99> yeah heh
[12:19] <MrVector> Assuming you (along the road) learnt how to look things up in the manuals/reference papers
[12:19] <MrVector> No?
[12:19] <workingcats> well with graphics specifically there's probably a lot of patent "infringement" and i wouldn't be surprised if they copied code, too
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[12:19] <chris_99> haha probably
[12:20] <ShiftPlusOne> MrVector, I am not sure how easy it would be to go from talking to the binary blobs on the pi through the mailbox thing to actually porting everything from linux to bare metal... if that makes sense.
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[12:20] <workingcats> well, and they probably also cheat in benchmarks
[12:21] <MrVector> ShiftPlusOne, "From talking to the binary blobs"?
[12:21] <MrVector> ShiftPlusOne, "porting everything frmo linux" I thought we were discussing making our own not porting anything? :)
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne> You want to write your own tegra 3 drivers?
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Right now, if you want to display something on the screen, you tell the firmware to do that. I don't know how it will work with something like the tegra.
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[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Looks like you need to be a 'tegra registered developer' to get the technical reference manual... whatever that entails
[12:23] <MrVector> I want to do the same level of development as I do on the rpi :)
[12:24] <workingcats> ShiftPlusOne, probably an NDA
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[12:25] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't look like it
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[12:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Either way, good luck with it all. I would suggest that you look at the beaglebone black instead.
[12:29] <MrVector> I would like a device I can program from scratch just like the pi that is just a little bit faster
[12:29] <MrVector> Fast enough to serve as, say.. a local file server on the network
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[12:30] <ShiftPlusOne> So you're not talking about the CPU or GPU speed at all then
[12:30] <MrVector> Not exactly I guess, but more board "setup"?
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne> something with a good NIC
[12:31] <MrVector> 10/100 is enough, of course 1000 would be prefered but not a requirement
[12:32] <MrVector> I don't think the nic is the bottleneck on the pi though, is it? In the whole "read from sd/usb -> Nic -> *"
[12:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Pi is going through USB, so you'd have to figure out a way to implement the USB and ethernet stack all in bare metal and that's not an easy task.
[12:33] <ShiftPlusOne> but I can't say anything on that topic without making stuff up so..
[12:34] <ShorTie> sounds like an awfull lot of work for not much, imho
[12:35] <MrVector> ShorTie , what's a lot of work? Implementing usb+ethernet?
[12:35] <ShorTie> the whole bear metal thing
[12:35] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... bear
[12:36] <MrVector> Of course it's a lot of work :)
[12:37] <MrVector> I might be making stuff up here, but isn't the sd+nic going through the usb controller on the pi ?
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[12:37] <SgtBurned> CHICKEN WINGS
[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne> not the SD
[12:37] <MrVector> I recall reading something about that, and that it slowed things down quite a bit
[12:37] <MrVector> Or well...
[12:37] <MrVector> It meant you couldn't do as many things at once as you might want to do in a timely manner
[12:38] <MrVector> ShiftPlusOne, right, thanks for clearing thatu p
[12:38] <ShiftPlusOne> That's not the only problem. The chip choice itself makes it less than ideal, since you have to implement a lot in software that is normally handled by hardware (as I understand it)
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[12:39] <MrVector> Implement things such as..? Do you have any examples
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> No, like I said, I have no idea what I am talking about
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[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Just parroting snippets I've picked up from the forum <.<
[12:40] <MrVector> Drats! :)
[12:40] <MrVector> Do you have any idea of Pi-like boards that is more ideal for these kind of things?
[12:40] <MrVector> (or anyone else for that matter)
[12:40] <ShorTie> why not build your own board too ??
[12:41] <ShiftPlusOne> baglebone black
[12:41] <MrVector> I Guess what I'm kinda asking is for some sort of logical progression when it comes to bare metal. To move to more powerful things
[12:41] <SgtBurned> Hey MrVector.
[12:41] <MrVector> Pi -> Intel x86 seems like a bit of a jump.. if you know what i mena :)
[12:41] <SgtBurned> Still got problems?
[12:41] <MrVector> mean*
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[12:41] <MrVector> SgtBurned, with? I've always got problems!
[12:41] <SgtBurned> :)
[12:42] <SgtBurned> I'm with you too.
[12:42] <SgtBurned> Stepper Motors *Sigh*
[12:43] <MrVector> If I don't have a problem, I'm probably in the zone writing some code till I run into a problem. aaand we're back!
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[12:43] <SgtBurned> The death cycle.
[12:43] <MrVector> Heh :) I always wanted to do something with hardware, havn't gotten into that yet
[12:43] <SgtBurned> We only stop coming up with errors when A) We are dead, B) Passed out on the keyboard.
[12:43] <SgtBurned> xD.
[12:44] <SgtBurned> I've got a job to make 2 stepper motors rotate using just 2 GPIO Pins.
[12:44] <Mortvert> don't think that's possible.
[12:44] <SgtBurned> Using an old MCP23S17 chip so I have the pins for it, then sending the binary sequence to rotate one by one. Trouble is making 2 rotate at the same time, the loop just can't quite seem to time properly.
[12:44] <MrVector> wooooooosch
[12:45] <MrVector> *the sound of information flying above MrVector's head*
[12:45] <SgtBurned> xD
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> SgtBurned, if you only want one direction then use a stepper motor controller.
[12:45] <MrVector> Some day I'll buy a "Electronics for dummies" and play around. Until that day I'm a Software man
[12:46] <SgtBurned> I need 2 Directions for 2 different steppers
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> with these you just pulse each step and the controller does the rest - although they have a 2nd input pin for direction.
[12:46] <SgtBurned> I have to use this board. It's the project I have right now
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> what does the board have on it?
[12:46] <SgtBurned> 32 digital outputs
[12:46] <SgtBurned> 8 of those are digital in's
[12:46] <SgtBurned> rest are outputs
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> and that's 2 x mcp23s17's ?
[12:47] <SgtBurned> Yes :)
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> so SPI.
[12:47] <SgtBurned> Yeah
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> ok. good luck there then ;-)
[12:47] <SgtBurned> See if you can find the board I am using
[12:47] <SgtBurned> Got it doing 2 seperate Stepeprs
[12:47] <SgtBurned> Steppers*
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[12:47] <SgtBurned> Just need to do 2 different steppers in different directions
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> what you could do is wire both mcp23s17's in parallel - using the same CE line off the Pi.
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> then you could put a stepper on each chip and move them simultaneously.
[12:48] * gordonDrogon ponders
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> actually, you can do it with one chip - 4 outputs from each chip to the 4 wires of the stepper (unipolar)
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> then load up 8-bit words to the output register to move the stepper.
[12:49] <MrVector> My (very ambitious) plan is to one day port my little OS from the pi to a modern computer. We'll see how that goes! :)
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[12:49] <gordonDrogon> so both steppers off the same output port.
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> MrVector, the pi is a modern computer!
[12:50] <MrVector> gordonDrogon, of course it is. Clumsy phrasing on my part. English fails me today. :(
[12:50] <SgtBurned> Both Steppers are running off one MCP
[12:50] <SgtBurned> But the board has 2, the other MCP is controlling some LED's
[12:50] <SgtBurned> English fails us everyday, we speak PYTHON and C!
[12:50] <MrVector> You probably (hopefully) understood that I meant something more like a x64 intel based PC :)
[12:51] <workingcats> MrVector, i hope you're not writing your OS in ASM then
[12:51] <MrVector> workingcats, C :-)
[12:52] <SgtBurned> I can actually have 32 Steppers controlled from the RPi
[12:52] <SgtBurned> off one board.
[12:53] <SgtBurned> not 32...
[12:53] <SgtBurned> Wait...
[12:53] <SgtBurned> Yeah
[12:53] <SgtBurned> 128 Pins.
[12:53] <SgtBurned> 4 Pins per Stepper
[12:53] <SgtBurned> Wahoo!
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[12:57] <SgtBurned> http://pridopia.co.uk/pi-23s17-8-lp.html
[12:57] <SgtBurned> 128 Pin GPIO board. If you wanted to check it out ;)
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[12:58] <MrVector> Wow, that's a massive amount of pins
[12:59] <chris_99> heh, what are you making SgtBurned
[13:00] <MrVector> He's going to turn the earth, using nothning but steppers and a pi
[13:01] <SgtBurned> xD
[13:01] <SgtBurned> I wish
[13:01] <ShiftPlusOne> No pulley system?
[13:01] <SgtBurned> Just my job.
[13:01] <SgtBurned> Well, World domination is one thing
[13:01] <SgtBurned> Plus, I would like my summers to be warmer so I think I might rotate the earth a little off axis
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[13:03] <MrVector> You job is the main thing
[13:03] <MrVector> and if that so happens to end up in world domination, then... happy coincidence!
[13:05] <SgtBurned> I could essentially move my work office somewhere...
[13:05] <SgtBurned> 32 Stepper motors winched to the ground with a little rope
[13:05] <SgtBurned> BAM
[13:05] <SgtBurned> Relocation on a budget
[13:06] <SgtBurned> But for now, Just a simple Reversing Stepper motor program will do :P
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[13:08] <SgtBurned> Feel like helping me with a little world domination?
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[13:08] <MrVector> I'm next to useless when it comes to hardware, so not sure how much of a help I can be! What did you have in mind?
[13:09] <BurtyB> SgtBurned, I hear pinky is up for that kind of thing
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> SgtBurned, think I've seen that board - someone else was using it. it's supported by wiringPi :)
[13:11] <SgtBurned> :)
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[13:11] <SgtBurned> I think we have close to around 100 / 200 of those boards here.
[13:12] <SgtBurned> World Domination HERE I COME!
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> SgtBurned: not wanting to microstep?
[13:12] <SgtBurned> ?
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[13:13] <SgtBurned> If anyone is looking for some Raspberry Pi Boards but can't find one to suite them just message me. I'm sure I can pass the message along to my Boss.
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[13:15] <MrVector> SgtBurned, out of interest, where do you work? :)
[13:15] <SgtBurned> Pridopia ;)
[13:15] <SgtBurned> Proud to work here too
[13:16] <Polyatomic> SgtBurned where r u geo wise
[13:16] <SgtBurned> UK.
[13:16] <MrVector> Ah interesting :)
[13:18] <SgtBurned> Re-writing the main programs that we use at home.
[13:18] <SgtBurned> Slowly building up a small database of programs for testing :D
[13:20] <SgtBurned> Now this board [http://pridopia.co.uk/pi-matrix-3.html] Was a pain in the rear!
[13:20] <SgtBurned> Where are you guys / gals from?
[13:21] <Polyatomic> Australia
[13:21] <SgtBurned> Oooh
[13:24] <Polyatomic> what display would u recommend for the pi
[13:24] <SgtBurned> Depends on the size
[13:24] <Jck_True> SgtBurned: Ideas for a Pi board?
[13:24] <SgtBurned> Like, a Board that can control motors etc.
[13:25] <SgtBurned> or, a 7 segment display
[13:25] <SgtBurned> Polyatomic, I would say for like 7" Look at the in car DVD screens. They have the single cable input and power is not that much
[13:26] <Polyatomic> ok sound good
[13:26] <Jck_True> I wish for a classical PLC board :) - 4-20mA inputs and outputs - 24V relays - 24V input - Digital in and out :)
[13:27] <Vibe> i tried to connect passive hdmi->vga converter to pi and vga screen, sometimes it works sometimes not
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[13:27] <SgtBurned> check the boot up settings
[13:27] <Vibe> with native manual resolution
[13:27] <Jck_True> HDMI -> VGA passive? That won't work...
[13:27] <Jck_True> Not with the Pi atleast...
[13:28] <SgtBurned> VGA Passive?
[13:28] <Vibe> Jck_True: saw video on yotube where it worked
[13:28] <Vibe> but i couldnt get it to work
[13:28] <Jck_True> It won't work...
[13:28] <Jck_True> HDMI is a digital signal - VGA is analog
[13:29] <SgtBurned> HDMI to VGA Works
[13:29] <SgtBurned> I have a HDMI - DVI - VGA adapter at home
[13:29] <Jck_True> If you got a suitable converter...
[13:29] <SgtBurned> you have to change a line in the boot settings like "hdmi-mode=2"
[13:30] <Vibe> like this but not this -> http://fi.farnell.com/element14/piview/adapter-raspberry-pi-hdmi-to-vga/dp/2133899
[13:30] <MrVector> I bought one of those
[13:30] <MrVector> Cost like half as much as the pi itself lol
[13:30] <SgtBurned> Thats the one I'm using now :)
[13:30] <Jck_True> That's an active converter :)
[13:31] <MrVector> As opposed to? an "inactive" converter?
[13:31] <Jck_True> 30USD in china - Not really cheap - http://dx.com/p/hdmi-to-vga-video-converter-71816?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
[13:31] * MrVector knows nothing about this
[13:31] <Vibe> MrVector: what resolution you using?
[13:31] <SgtBurned> No pound sign on this keyboard.... Damn
[13:31] <MrVector> 1633*768 and 1920*1080
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[13:32] <SgtBurned> Home: 1366x768
[13:32] <SgtBurned> or something dodgy
[13:32] <Jck_True> Even cheaper - 17.40 USD - http://dx.com/p/3-in-1-micro-hdmi-mini-hdmi-hdmi-to-vga-3-5mm-audio-video-adapter-white-black-213273?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
[13:32] <workingcats> MrVector, DVI>HDMI and HDMI>DVI-D are a mechanical conversion ie passive
[13:32] <MrVector> 1366 that's it :D
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[13:33] <Vibe> MrVector: hmm, i got 1280x1024 or something native
[13:33] <Vibe> didnt work with native well
[13:33] <MrVector> :o :(
[13:34] <MrVector> workingcats A-ha, did not know that
[13:34] <Vibe> sometimes gives picture on boot sometimes not
[13:34] <workingcats> basically, DVI-I is analog+digital, HDMI just digital, VGA just analog
[13:34] <MrVector> Strange, mine always works :-/
[13:34] <Vibe> MrVector: is that native resolution for your screen?
[13:34] <SgtBurned> Work: 1280 x 1024
[13:34] <SgtBurned> :D
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[13:34] <MrVector> Vibe screens (I use two different ones), yes.
[13:35] <Jck_True> MrVector: You could try hdmi_safe=1 in your config file for starts - check that it works every time
[13:35] <MrVector> I'm using my own OS though, might make a difference :P
[13:35] <MrVector> Jck_True, Vibe is the one with issues :)
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[13:35] <Jck_True> Sorry - Juggling one too many balls :)
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[13:36] <MrVector> Happens to us all!
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[13:41] <SgtBurned> Anyone know a small LCD / LED Screen that is roughly the same size as the RPI ?
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[13:46] <Vibe> damn i doesnt have now pi with rapbian to test the adapter again
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[13:47] <Vibe> it has xbian
[13:47] <Vibe> later then
[13:47] <Vibe> yes nice touch screen lcd would be nice
[13:50] <Vibe> usb boot would be nice to get for rpi
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[14:25] <SgtBurned> Damn, I think I've pulled out all my hair doing this damn program
[14:26] <Vibe> that's why I dont have hair anymore
[14:27] <Vibe> what prog your doing?
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[14:30] <SgtBurned> Bi-Directional Steppers
[14:30] <SgtBurned> One goes one way
[14:30] <SgtBurned> another goes the other
[14:30] <SgtBurned> I might just hard code in the sequence xD
[14:30] <Vibe> kewl
[14:31] <SgtBurned> I did a program this morning to control both steppers on one MCP.
[14:31] <SgtBurned> "Now do it so that you can make them go either way
[14:31] <SgtBurned> :'(\
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[14:41] <SgtBurned> and I have FINISHED
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[14:49] <SgtBurned> Spoke too soon
[14:49] <SgtBurned> Now, Each stepper has to go a different speed, different angle and a different rotation.... YAY.
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[14:49] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> now, setup something to let you set a desired target, and to accellerate the stepper at a given rate - taking care of step-out limits - and decellerate to stop exactly on point. On both axes at the same time.
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[14:53] <SgtBurned> You can go shove it :D
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[14:55] <SgtBurned> Unless you pay me either the same or more than my boss pays me, I won't do anything :)
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[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Well - I was pointing out a common real world requirement
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[15:17] <SgtBurned> Yeah, Its a shame.
[15:17] <SgtBurned> Got the problem finished
[15:17] <SgtBurned> now he wants them moving at the same time...
[15:19] <SgtBurned> I want to build a CNC Machine using 3 Stepper motors
[15:19] <SgtBurned> X Y and Z
[15:19] <SgtBurned> Just need to save up for the boards....
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[15:24] <atouk> http://massmind.org/techref/io/stepper/linistep/index.htm
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[15:47] <SgtBurned> $80 per axis ?!
[15:47] <SgtBurned> The price I'm looking at is $120 ish for maximum of 32 Steppers
[15:49] <atouk> 80? 28 for one, 75 for 3
[15:49] <workingcats> SgtBurned, if you have severe, what was it called, dyslexia but for numbers, it's close enough ;)
[15:49] <SgtBurned> Yeah sorry
[15:49] <SgtBurned> Read the wrong thing too which doesn't help xD
[15:49] <workingcats> maybe you have both :D
[15:50] <SgtBurned> I do have Dyslexia with Wording though...
[15:50] <SgtBurned> Good enough excuse ?
[15:50] <workingcats> it'll do for me
[15:50] <SgtBurned> That'll do donkey. That'll do donkey.
[15:50] <SgtBurned> That'll do donkey. That'll do. *
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[15:52] <atouk> 32 steppers?
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[15:52] <chris_99> why do you need that many steppers?
[15:52] <SgtBurned> Well, Enough pins for 32 Steppers.
[15:52] <SgtBurned> There was a discussion earlier..
[15:52] <SgtBurned> 1) Moving the earth
[15:53] <SgtBurned> 2) Relocating your house across the globe.
[15:53] <SgtBurned> 3) Torture machine?
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[16:03] <workingcats> SgtBurned, all of the above
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[16:05] <SgtBurned> Yes
[16:06] <SgtBurned> and plent of Stepper Motors left over.
[16:06] <SirLagz> anyone played with vlans much ?
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[16:07] <MrVector> Vlan, sounds like a female russian name.
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[16:08] <workingcats> are there any pi mailing lists i could subscribe to?
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[16:12] <Mortvert> SgtBurned, 32 steppers would be enough to construct howl's moving castle
[16:13] <SgtBurned> ...
[16:13] <SgtBurned> That sounds like a challenge to me.
[16:14] <atouk> 32 steppers is enough for a simulated hand job machine with oth right and left hands
[16:14] <atouk> +b
[16:14] <SgtBurned> don't... Make... me... smile.
[16:14] <SgtBurned> NSFW Language!
[16:14] <Mortvert> atouk, keep it family-friendly
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[16:14] <Mortvert> SgtBurned, build the castle, i dare you.
[16:14] * atouk hides in shame
[16:14] <SgtBurned> ...
[16:14] <SgtBurned> I cant
[16:14] <SgtBurned> MONEY
[16:15] <Mortvert> Broken printers are usually free
[16:15] <SgtBurned> Hmm
[16:15] <SgtBurned> I have like 3 at home
[16:15] <SgtBurned> A bit of Card
[16:15] <Mortvert> i belive they have at least one stepper each
[16:15] <SgtBurned> Its the controller board that costs the most
[16:15] <SgtBurned> 70 GBP for the 128pin out
[16:15] <atouk> old dot matrix printers usually have the strongest seppers, but can't be gauranteed what type
[16:16] <SgtBurned> Hm
[16:16] <SgtBurned> Ill go scavenge on my way back from work
[16:16] <Mortvert> atouk, i like dot-matrix printers, don't dissasemble them please :<
[16:16] <SgtBurned> I know some industrial places that used to be a printing place.
[16:16] <Mjolinor> they are usually 7.5 degree ones in printers
[16:16] <SgtBurned> Bet they have some high value steppers
[16:16] <Mortvert> They're the most sturdy usually, and most user-proof
[16:16] <SgtBurned> Yeah
[16:16] <SgtBurned> I was going to say High Quality
[16:16] * Mjolinor thinks maybe he shouldn't join in the middle of conversations wehn he has no idea what is being discussed :)
[16:17] <SgtBurned> but I forgot what the word "Quality" meant for a while
[16:17] <Mortvert> and they require engineering degree to change the tape :P
[16:17] <SgtBurned> I had to replace Toner for a librarian at college once...
[16:17] <Mortvert> toner replacement is easy.
[16:17] <SgtBurned> There was even a picture of a person taking the toner out and replacing it.
[16:17] <SgtBurned> She didn't even have the right brand at first.
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[16:19] <Mjolinor> I have a problem starting my Pi
[16:19] <Mjolinor> I needed to save soem databases form ram disk when power is lost and cleanly shut down
[16:19] <Mjolinor> that isn't aproblem but starting the Pi once shutdown is
[16:19] <Mjolinor> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dknpower/sch_pic.png
[16:20] <Mjolinor> I made that and it works fine soem of the time but sometimes the pulse on pin 5 does not wake the Pi up and I have no idea how to debug it as hte Pi is shutdown at the time
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[16:22] <SgtBurned> SSH into it
[16:22] <SgtBurned> log EVERYTHING until you loose connection
[16:22] <Mjolinor> how?
[16:23] <SgtBurned> I use an android with connectbot
[16:23] <Mjolinor> it jsut shuts down
[16:23] <SgtBurned> Hmm
[16:23] <SgtBurned> what command did you use to shutdown
[16:23] <Mjolinor> shutdown -h now
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[16:24] <Mjolinor> it works every time if I wait for full shutdown but not wait more than 2 minutes or so then it will reboot correctly
[16:25] <Mjolinor> If I apply the power before shutdown is complete or wait more than 2 minutes then it will not restart
[16:25] <SgtBurned> Hmm
[16:25] <SgtBurned> You are sending a pulse to GPIO 5?
[16:25] <Mjolinor> I can find no information at all about the low pulse that is needed to start it
[16:26] <Mjolinor> If I make it too long then I get safe mode but anything form about 100us up to about 2 seconds seems to get normal boot
[16:26] <Mjolinor> pin 5
[16:26] <Mjolinor> I dont htink that is GPIO 5
[16:26] <SgtBurned> Oh okay
[16:26] <Mjolinor> not sure, memory like a sieve
[16:26] <SgtBurned> Pin 5 would be ground
[16:27] <Mjolinor> SCL
[16:27] <Mjolinor> 6 is ground
[16:27] <SgtBurned> Send a pulse through GPIO 1 & 3
[16:27] <SgtBurned> that should wake it up from a halt
[16:28] <Mjolinor> that is what I am doing
[16:28] <SgtBurned> strange
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[16:29] <Mjolinor> yup, strange :)
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[16:30] <SgtBurned> What rev are you on?
[16:30] <Mjolinor> the Pi?
[16:31] <SgtBurned> Yeah
[16:31] <Mjolinor> latest I think, it's dated 2011 12
[16:31] <SgtBurned> 512mb
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[16:32] <Mjolinor> think so
[16:32] <SgtBurned> If so, GPIO 1 -> Ground
[16:32] <SgtBurned> http://elinux.org/File:Jump-pins-5-6.jpg
[16:32] <pfui> is there a fix to stop the ralink rt5370 usb wifi dongle from powering off when not in use?
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[16:33] <Mjolinor> 6 is ground and 5 is what needs a ground
[16:33] <Mjolinor> that is what I am doing
[16:33] <SgtBurned> In your config do you have a line saying something like "avoid-safe"
[16:33] <Mjolinor> no
[16:33] <SgtBurned> avoid_safe_mode=1
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> pfui: ping -f
[16:33] <Mjolinor> but aht shouldnt matter anyway
[16:34] <IT_Sean> WellTheresYourProblem.png
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[16:34] <Mjolinor> it is jsut sitting drawing 100 ma and has pulses going in the right pin but it isn't booting
[16:34] <pfui> SpeedEvil: tried ping, but not -f, still dies though...
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[16:37] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> holy pin number confusion. batman )-:
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> when the Pi is in halt state (Linux kernel halt) then it can be rebooted by taking either of the I2C pins to ground for a few milliseconds. You need to release the pins, else it will boot into the recovery kernel.
[16:38] <Mjolinor> I think I am going to have to power the PIC from 3.3 and remove hte series resistors
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> the I2C pins are physical P1 pins 3 & 5.
[16:39] <Mjolinor> was hoping to avoid that but I think the series resistor is probably preventing the line going low enough.
[16:39] <IT_Sean> Isn't that what the reset header does on the rev 2 boards?
[16:39] <IT_Sean> can't that "wake" a halted Pi?
[16:39] <SgtBurned> gordon, if you put avoid_safe_mode=1 into the config it will not go into safe mode when powered from the GPIO
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> you need to drive the lines low via an open-collector output.
[16:39] <SgtBurned> Yes
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> as the Pi has 1.8K pull-up on-board.
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[16:39] <Mjolinor> the problem with using hte reset pin is that I cannot tell if the Pi is finished shutting down or not, there is no way to do that
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> SgtBurned, what's 'safe mode' ?
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> you mean boot the emergeny kernel?
[16:40] <SgtBurned> Yeah
[16:40] <Mjolinor> so if power comes back on before the Pi is shutdown a reset may corrupt things which is exactly what I am trying to avoid
[16:40] <SgtBurned> Roughly the same thing
[16:40] <IT_Sean> Mjolinor: is ACT still blinking?
[16:40] <SgtBurned> :)
[16:40] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:40] <SgtBurned> Im not hardware sorry
[16:40] <Mjolinor> no
[16:40] <Mjolinor> just a solid red LED that is all
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> I have successfully brought a Pi out of sleep mode with an external atmega processor.
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> I have a board in-front of me now that does just that...
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> I can tell the atmega "wake me in 3 hours", then do a halt on the Pi, and in 3 hours it wakes up...
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[16:42] <IT_Sean> that's a handy trick, gordonDrogon.
[16:42] <Mjolinor> the atmega is running on 3.3 or 5?
[16:42] <IT_Sean> Could use it for anything you needed to monitor perioditically over a long period. Wake up, take measurements, report, sleep for 3 hours, repeat.
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> 5
[16:42] <Mjolinor> I think it must be hte series resistor that is the problem as it sometimes works adn soemtimes doesn't but is more likely to work if I have my scop eon the pin
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, that's the idea.
[16:42] <IT_Sean> That's pretty awesome, actually.
[16:42] <Mjolinor> so are you using a resistor to drop the voltage?
[16:43] <Mjolinor> or are you abusing your Pi with 5 volts :)
[16:43] <IT_Sean> Could save a LOT of power that way, if running off a batt.
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> Mjolinor, use an open collector driver to pull the pin low. Remember there is a 1.8K resistor pulling it to 3.3v.
[16:43] <Mjolinor> no need to bother with that, I can jsut make the pin an input and change to output when I need hte pulse
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> I'm actually using a pair of FETs in 3.3 - 5v I2C voltage change mode.
[16:44] <Mjolinor> rather than changing the state of the pin I will jsut change from input to output, that will remove hte problem of 5 votls
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> because the processor then uses I2C to communicate with the Pi once the Pi is booted.
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> Mjolinor, don't enable the internal pull up on your �C
[16:45] <Mjolinor> its jsut booted now
[16:45] <Mjolinor> the internal pull ups are all disabled anyway
[16:45] <Mjolinor> took it close to 20 minutes then to accept the start pulse
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> le me check my code..
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> I keep it low for 100mS
[16:47] <Mjolinor> I oculdnt find anythign to tell me how long the pulse needs to be
[16:47] <Mjolinor> it has jsut booted into safe mode and my pulse is currently 1.6 seconds so shorter than that is the order of the day
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it's edge triggered in the GPU.
[16:48] <Mjolinor> I think so to as its good down to less than 50 micro seconds
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> it's a shame it can't go any lower power though.
[16:48] <Mjolinor> 100ma when its asleep is pretty grim
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> plan B on my board is to have the atmega shut-down the 5v supply too - it runs on a coin cell anyway.
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[16:49] <SgtBurned> So how did you fix it or is it still "Borked"
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> the SMPS has an enable pin I can use, but I'd need to make sure it doesn't drain the coin cell, so connect a little FET to it. current when on the coin cell is currently < 1nano amp.
[16:50] <IT_Sean> Could you control a small relay, somehow? Halt the Pi, then cut power to it... then restore power when time to wake?
[16:51] <Mjolinor> I could do that
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> a latch on/latch off relay might work.
[16:51] <Sonny_Jim> Relay uses a lot of juice though
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[16:51] <pfui> SpeedEvil: I keep getting ~15% packet loss regardless of which host I'm ping flooding, is that normal?
[16:51] <Mjolinor> but it has the proiblem of not knowing if it has shut down or not
[16:51] <Sonny_Jim> latch on/latch off wouldn't though
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[16:51] <gordonDrogon> pfui, ping floods are never a good thing. even on a LAN.
[16:51] <pfui> SpeedEvil: I understand that both wifi and icmp and lossy by nature, but what's the acceptable interval
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> pfui: no, it is not normal
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> pfui: While it's not generally a good thing, on an unloaded network, you should get approximately no packets lost.
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> pfui, trying ping -An <host>
[16:53] <pfui> gordonDrogon: yeah, I know. just trying to see if it would fix a problem with my wifi dongle powering off itself at random
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[16:53] <gordonDrogon> pfui, ah wifi... hatefull stuff.
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[16:54] <pfui> SpeedEvil: so, faulty adapter then?
[16:54] <pfui> gordonDrogon: indeed...
[16:54] <SgtBurned> More than likely faulty
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> pfui: or something up with your AP
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> or PSU
[16:54] <SgtBurned> If its a Powered USB device, make sure the USB HUB is not going to sleep too
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> wifi is half duplex ... usb is also half duplex ... I've seen weird stuff there.
[16:55] <SgtBurned> xD
[16:55] <pfui> SgtBurned: nope, other peripherals connected to the same hub keep functioning. only the wifi dongle has that issue
[16:56] <SgtBurned> Strange
[16:56] <SgtBurned> most likely faulty device :(
[16:57] <SgtBurned> Got another wifi adapter?
[16:57] <pfui> SgtBurned: nope :-\
[16:57] <SgtBurned> HAVE ALL THE WIFI ADAPTERS *Throws the 4 he has here at the screen*
[16:58] <pfui> :D
[16:58] <SgtBurned> Making my stepper motors do a dance :D
[16:59] <SgtBurned> \o\ ~o~ /o/
[17:00] <Sonny_Jim> Guiles theme on 6 stepper motors plz
[17:00] <SgtBurned> These make no sound :(
[17:01] <Sonny_Jim> open them up and pour some iron filings in
[17:01] <SgtBurned> I could do some relay music
[17:01] <Sonny_Jim> and glue them to a sounding board
[17:01] <SgtBurned> Okay
[17:01] * IT_Sean plays the star wars theme on floppy drives for Sonny_Jim
[17:01] <SgtBurned> Sure my Boss won't mind
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[17:03] <tig|> I remember a lovely little video of someone playing mozart on a flatbed scanner
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[17:04] <SgtBurned> We played mozart on an old plotter a few years back
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[17:04] <mrAZ> hi, when i install 2013-07-26-wheezy-raspbian is the video (cinch) enabled already?
[17:05] <Sonny_Jim> SgtBurned: I liked using the CRT beam to produce AM radio
[17:05] <Sonny_Jim> Or rather, was impressed by the guys who did it
[17:05] <Sonny_Jim> Think TEMPEST but way cooler
[17:05] <SgtBurned> :P
[17:05] <SgtBurned> This Plotter was about to be thrown out
[17:05] <SgtBurned> that was 3 years ago :(
[17:05] <SgtBurned> Made a grinding noise when you zero'd it
[17:05] <Sonny_Jim> Bloody long mozart concerto
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[17:06] <SgtBurned> like trying to put a rasp file into a spinning engine
[17:06] <Sonny_Jim> Or a brick in a tumble dryer
[17:06] <Sonny_Jim> No wait
[17:06] <Sonny_Jim> That's just cool
[17:06] <SgtBurned> Oh yeah xD
[17:06] <SgtBurned> That is awesome
[17:07] <SgtBurned> It's a shame these relays only make a click on 2 pins :(
[17:07] <SgtBurned> Should get the 16 Relay board we have here
[17:07] <SgtBurned> and try and make a nice little beat :D
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[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, I remember making noises with the tape relay in a BBC B
[17:07] <SgtBurned> Awesome
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> I wouldn't go so far and call them "tunes"
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, what with dubstep nowadays
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[17:08] <SgtBurned> More like high pitched squeels that sound roughly like a "Tune" if you cover your ears in such a way xD
[17:08] <SgtBurned> I don't like dubstep
[17:08] <SgtBurned> but I like Chillstep and drum and base
[17:08] <Sonny_Jim> It'll be dead soon
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[17:08] <Sonny_Jim> Just like DnB :-(
[17:08] <SgtBurned> Hopefully
[17:08] <SgtBurned> :(
[17:08] <SgtBurned> Hopefully not DnB
[17:08] <SgtBurned> also
[17:08] <Sonny_Jim> (ex-Bristol chappy)
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[17:09] <SgtBurned> I can crack my fingers multiple times just by bending them :'(
[17:09] <SgtBurned> 'tis bad
[17:09] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
[17:09] <Sonny_Jim> urban myth, check snopes
[17:09] <SgtBurned> Do you thin k I could start a band up?
[17:09] <tig|> isn't there a raspi jam thing going on in bristol in a couple of weeks
[17:09] <Sonny_Jim> Dunno
[17:09] <Sonny_Jim> Should pop up there with my pager decoder if there is
[17:09] <SgtBurned> Relays, Steppers with Iron Fillings and Floppy Drives. Acommpanied by Sgt's knuckles
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[17:10] <Sonny_Jim> With Death on Double Bass
[17:10] <tig|> Sonny_Jim: iirc didn't someone win an ignobel prize for it for cracking the knuckles in one hand only for about 30 years?
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[17:10] <SgtBurned> xD
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[17:10] <SgtBurned> Damn Chinese lettering stickers...
[17:10] <SgtBurned> I'm only 19, I can do this for another 31 and get one ;D
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[17:15] * Benguin[College] is now known as Benguin
[17:15] <SgtBurned> Benguin has returned from torture!
[17:15] <SgtBurned> Are you uscathered bretherin
[17:16] * Benguin is now known as Benguin[1]
[17:16] * Benguin[1] is now known as Benguin
[17:16] <IT_Sean> ...
[17:16] <SgtBurned> He Cannot Speak! What have they done to him?@
[17:17] <Benguin> my legs
[17:17] <Benguin> they hurt a lot
[17:17] <IT_Sean> o_O
[17:17] <SgtBurned> Oh god!
[17:17] <Benguin> walking to college sucks!
[17:17] <Benguin> and I'm
[17:17] <Benguin> DRENCHED
[17:17] <SgtBurned> GET HIM TO THE WITCH DOCTOR
[17:17] <IT_Sean> hahaha
[17:17] <Benguin> in sweat
[17:17] <IT_Sean> GET IN SHAPE!
[17:17] <Benguin> beads of it just rolling down my thin, twink body
[17:17] <SgtBurned> Biking to work sucks more ;)
[17:17] <Benguin> I mean hi
[17:17] <IT_Sean> eew.
[17:17] <SgtBurned> haha
[17:17] <IT_Sean> that was a little gross.
[17:17] <SgtBurned> Dude, Laughing in work. Not good :#
[17:17] <SgtBurned> :3*
[17:17] <SgtBurned> Just a tad gross
[17:18] <SgtBurned> Smiling like a weirdo now :P
[17:18] <IT_Sean> SgtBurned: you ARE a weirdo. :p
[17:18] <SgtBurned> And ?
[17:18] <IT_Sean> Just pointing out.
[17:18] <sney> ah, kids. each generation thinks they're the one to invent laughing at things when they're supposed to be working
[17:18] <SgtBurned> I'm sure its in the rules somewhere about my @Weirdness@
[17:19] * IT_Sean shakes a stick at sney and tells him to get off the lawn
[17:19] <sney> YOU'RE NOT MY DAD
[17:19] * sney slams the door
[17:19] <SgtBurned> Turns out he is..
[17:19] <IT_Sean> sney: ... How do you know!?
[17:19] <sney> that would be pretty weird.
[17:19] <Benguin> Hi sney's dad
[17:19] <IT_Sean> Hi!
[17:19] <Benguin> Did you know sney started smoking?!
[17:19] <SgtBurned> xD
[17:19] <SgtBurned> Yeah
[17:19] * IT_Sean gasps!
[17:19] <sney> my dad types all his emails IN CAPS, ALL THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHY
[17:19] <SgtBurned> I saw him outside with a spliff
[17:19] <Benguin> Heheh
[17:20] <sney> BUT I DONT THINK HE WOULD LAST LONG ON IRC
[17:20] <IT_Sean> easy on the caps there, dude. we get it.
[17:20] * mrAZ ended up in wrong chatroom?
[17:20] <SgtBurned> HI SON, JUST WRITING TO LET YOU KNOW I FOUND THE MAIL BUTTON. THAT PAPERCLIP GUY HELPED ME
[17:20] <SgtBurned> Fucking paperclip dude.
[17:20] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[17:20] * SgtBurned was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
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[17:21] <SgtBurned> You Cannot Silence Me!
[17:21] <SgtBurned> For I am, Sir Dividend The 3rd
[17:21] <IT_Sean> I can, actually.
[17:21] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
[17:21] <SgtBurned> ;P
[17:21] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[17:21] <IT_Sean> See?
[17:22] * mrAZ suggests to set topic to "i am alone and bored so go to geek chan bitchin'"
[17:22] <SgtBurned> You can silence me IRC but you will never take my soul!
[17:22] * mrAZ was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[17:22] <SgtBurned> xD
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[17:22] <sney> you should really put that on a bot
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[17:23] <sney> I mean, it works fine when you're here, but you/other ops aren't always here, and it's not something that needs to be done manually
[17:23] <mrAZ> you are usefull like fucking shit on the ass of the bitch
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[17:23] <SgtBurned> Oooooh
[17:23] <SgtBurned> Looks like you managed to annoy a 12 year old.
[17:23] <sney> and rolling in 15 minutes later to kick someone who was complaining about a boot problem with colourful language is kind of weird and probably doesn't accomplish anything
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[17:24] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*@ip-89-102-198-102.net.upcbroadband.cz
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[17:24] <SgtBurned> :D
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[17:25] <bacobart> i feel that being this anal about swearing (seriously, "bitchin" is swearing?) doesn't really help the channel.
[17:25] <Sonny_Jim> Cool people don't swear, yeah?
[17:25] <Sonny_Jim> Cool.
[17:25] <sney> I have to watch my language more in here than I do in #debian. Hilarious
[17:25] <sney> (it's not a big difference, but still)
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[17:25] <Sonny_Jim> It's because there can be a hugher percentage of kiddies due to the nature of the Pi
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[17:26] <bacobart> irc and family friendly are mutually exclusive
[17:26] <Sonny_Jim> Don't want some stupid BBC News item about the 'Horrors of IRC'
[17:26] <IT_Sean> Not in here, bacobart.
[17:26] <Sonny_Jim> Cool? Cool.
[17:26] <IT_Sean> The channel rules are clearly spelled out. Link in the topic
[17:26] <sney> yeah, I do understand the reasoning. the pi is cheap, so hopefully young people will start buying them and getting into the software development scene etc and so on
[17:26] <SgtBurned> "A Kid murdered his parents after talking to some newbs on IRC"
[17:26] <SgtBurned> "IRC Makes Murderers * Study shows*"
[17:26] <bacobart> i'm aware of the rules, it's just my opinion that being so overly strict is not helping anyone
[17:27] <sney> (the swearing rule should REALLY be handled with a bot, though. Then everyone gets the same treatment 24/7)
[17:27] <ReggieUK> yawn
[17:27] <bacobart> according to the rules you can't say fsck unless it's in the context of checking a disk
[17:27] <bacobart> that's just hilarious
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[17:27] <bacobart> what
[17:28] <bacobart> i can't discuss the rules?
[17:28] <sney> just... leave the line alone while you're doing it
[17:28] <bacobart> or comment on them?
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
[17:28] <SgtBurned> ...
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> Not up for discussion
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> Discussion is Pi
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> Cool?
[17:28] <ReggieUK> I'll make this clear, we have our rules, if you don't like them, you can leave or we can help you out of the door if you wish :-)
[17:28] <bacobart> but that was my point, being overly strict on the swearing only adds noise to the channel :P
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> *sigh*
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[17:28] <ReggieUK> only because you're whining about it :)
[17:29] <Sonny_Jim> innit
[17:29] <bacobart> whining yeah?
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[17:29] <IT_Sean> Yeah.
[17:29] <Sonny_Jim> Not Cool :(
[17:29] <bacobart> heh
[17:29] <ReggieUK> there are 457 people here, less than 1% have an issue :D
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[17:29] <SgtBurned> Less than 5% are actually active
[17:30] <Mortvert> <-lurking
[17:30] <SirLagz> at any one time, or in general ?
[17:30] <bacobart> seems to me some ppl here are just on a power trip
[17:30] <bacobart> but whatever :)
[17:30] <SgtBurned> In General
[17:30] <sney> all the more reason to put it on a bot. bots don't have emotional attachments to kicking people so you can't accuse them of such
[17:30] <SgtBurned> i've come on here, 300 people online "Great, people to talk to..."
[17:31] <SgtBurned> "Hello?" 15 minutes later some kid says hello then leaves
[17:31] <SirLagz> SgtBurned: or that could just be that they aren't online when you're online
[17:31] <ReggieUK> SirLagz, ZOMG!!!!1
[17:32] <SirLagz> ....whaaa ?
[17:32] <ReggieUK> surely the internetz sleeps when I sleep?
[17:32] <SirLagz> ohh lol
[17:32] <SirLagz> some people think that way...lol
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[17:34] <Sonny_Jim> This discussion is un-fonzy
[17:34] <Sonny_Jim> We need to re-fonzy
[17:34] <ReggieUK> you lot started it :D
[17:34] <SirLagz> i did not.
[17:34] <bacobart> by the way "dammit" is not considered swearing?
[17:34] <bacobart> (just noticed the kick msg, kinda ironic:P)
[17:35] <sney> hjaha
[17:35] <Sonny_Jim> mame takes a *long time* to compile on the Pi
[17:35] <Sonny_Jim> Like, gentoo long
[17:35] <sney> incredible
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[17:36] <SirLagz> anythign takes a long time to compile on teh Pi lol
[17:36] <sney> hello.c takes a good second
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[17:36] <SirLagz> I'm trying to figure out why one Pi can ping the other Pi, but the other Pi can't ping the first Pi
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> ah good
[17:36] <sney> route back?
[17:36] <SirLagz> derp.
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> What's the setup?
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> Oh
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[17:37] <Sonny_Jim> That was too fast
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[17:37] <SirLagz> oh....no the route didnt' help
[17:37] <Sonny_Jim> How are they connected
[17:37] <SirLagz> the setup is this
[17:37] <sney> yeah I was going to say it turns out my suggestion doesn't actually make sense
[17:37] <SirLagz> Pi-1 -- > WiFi --> Pi 2
[17:37] <SirLagz> Pi-1 is using hsotapd
[17:37] <SirLagz> hostapd*
[17:37] <Sonny_Jim> Ok
[17:37] <SirLagz> Pi 2 is connecting to Pi 1 using a wifi stick
[17:37] <Sonny_Jim> I've done that before, so I maybe fonzy with this
[17:37] <sney> so one pi is the access point and the other is the client, which one is having the problem
[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> Can your laptop connect to Pi-1
[17:38] <SirLagz> the client
[17:38] <SirLagz> Sonny_Jim: if I didn't have mac address filtering, yes it could.
[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> I've had it where certain clients wouldn't connect to hostapd for some bizarre reason
[17:38] <SirLagz> well the thing is
[17:38] <SirLagz> the wifi is connected
[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> Do you have a dhcpd server
[17:38] <SirLagz> yes
[17:38] <SirLagz> using dnsmasq
[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> dnsmasq?
[17:38] <SirLagz> though I have both Pis on static IPs atm
[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> What howto did you follow
[17:38] <SirLagz> my own :D
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> ok
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> Paste your erm
[17:39] <sney> if the access point pi can ping the client pi, then you can assume that layer 1 and 2 communications are working
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[17:39] <SirLagz> though my setup is very unsual :D
[17:39] <sney> what does it say if you try to traceroute the access point pi from the client
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> It's been a while since I slept
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> dnsmasq conf
[17:39] <Kane> morning
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> Have you fudged around with iptables?
[17:39] <SirLagz> sney: traceroute can't get to the access point
[17:40] <SirLagz> Sonny_Jim: on the AP ?
[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> lo Kane, you cool?
[17:40] <sney> SirLagz: I didn't ask if it could trace the route, I asked what does it *say*
[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> On either Pi
[17:40] <SirLagz> it says what it says when it can't get there lol. * * *
[17:40] <Kane> fine and you Sonny_Jim ?
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[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> I'm Cool.
[17:41] <SirLagz> sney: 30 rows of * * *
[17:41] <sney> really only interested in the first row. ok.
[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> So:
[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> Pi1 Hostapd <-> Pi2
[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> Or is there an AP as well?
[17:42] <Sonny_Jim> Because it sounds like you want a wifi bridge
[17:42] <SirLagz> nope. just Pi 1 (Hostapd) --> Pi 2
[17:42] <Sonny_Jim> Okey dokey
[17:42] <Sonny_Jim> things you need:
[17:42] <Sonny_Jim> hostapd configured, try without encryption first
[17:42] <SirLagz> hostapd works fine
[17:42] <SirLagz> other devices can connect
[17:42] <Sonny_Jim> Ok
[17:43] <sney> have you been able to connect the client to another ap?
[17:43] <Sonny_Jim> Remember what I said about certain clients not working with hostapd
[17:43] <SirLagz> sney: yep
[17:43] <SirLagz> Sonny_Jim: this particular client has worked before lol
[17:43] <Sonny_Jim> Cool.
[17:43] <Sonny_Jim> Try Pi2 connected to another AP
[17:43] <sney> mercy
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[17:43] <Sonny_Jim> Pi1 is workee, we know that. We don't know if Pi2 wifi workee
[17:44] <SirLagz> trying now
[17:44] <Sonny_Jim> Cool beans
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[17:45] <SirLagz> well it connected to the wifi network fine
[17:45] <Sonny_Jim> Cool
[17:45] <SirLagz> but it was setup with static IP so it didn't try to get an IP
[17:45] <Sonny_Jim> that's fine
[17:45] <Sonny_Jim> I take it associated and you could ping Pi2 <->
[17:45] <Sonny_Jim> erm, from pi2 and to pi2
[17:45] <SirLagz> the IP address was in the wrong range, so no. lol
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[17:46] <Sonny_Jim> You did see it associate, maybe with iwconfig?
[17:46] <SirLagz> yep
[17:46] <SirLagz> wpa_cli status
[17:46] <Sonny_Jim> Ah
[17:46] <Sonny_Jim> turn off encryption
[17:46] <Sonny_Jim> Turn it on later
[17:46] <Sonny_Jim> On Pi1 this is
[17:46] <Sonny_Jim> Or is it off already?
[17:46] <SirLagz> still on...
[17:46] <SirLagz> don't really want to turn it off because I have devices connnected atm lol
[17:46] <Sonny_Jim> right
[17:47] <Sonny_Jim> Challenge start
[17:47] <Sonny_Jim> Anything interesting in dmesg or /var/log/messages of either Pi when you try to associate Pi2 to Pi1/
[17:47] <SirLagz> nope
[17:47] <SirLagz> it associates fine
[17:47] <Sonny_Jim> Cool beans.
[17:48] <Sonny_Jim> What IP address and netmask are set on Pi1 and Pi2
[17:48] <SirLagz> 10.0.0.1 on Pi1, 10.0.0.2 on Pi2, 10.0.0.3 on Pi1 (wlan0.sta1 interface)
[17:48] <Sonny_Jim> Also default gw
[17:48] <SirLagz> on Pi2 ?
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[17:49] <Sonny_Jim> in fact
[17:49] <Sonny_Jim> I reckon route add default gw pi1 on pi2
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[17:49] <SirLagz> Sonny_Jim: did that earlier and it didn't work lol
[17:49] <Sonny_Jim> Just to check, neither pi can ping each other?
[17:50] <SirLagz> well Pi1 could ping Pi2 before, but Pi2 couldn't ping Pi1
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[17:50] <Sonny_Jim> Cool
[17:50] <SirLagz> now neither can ping each other
[17:50] <Sonny_Jim> Oh
[17:50] <Sonny_Jim> Not cool
[17:50] <Sonny_Jim> because option 1 definitely sounds like Pi2 didn't have a gw set
[17:50] <SirLagz> yeah Pi2 didn't have a gateway set before
[17:50] <Romeo-> what do you want to do?
[17:50] <Romeo-> :)
[17:51] <Romeo-> tcp/ip
[17:51] <Romeo-> ?
[17:51] <SirLagz> something stupidly complicated that isn't working. lol
[17:51] <Romeo-> rp as router?
[17:51] <Sonny_Jim> Nah
[17:51] <SirLagz> nope
[17:51] <Sonny_Jim> It's not complicated
[17:51] <Sonny_Jim> You just didn't use a howto
[17:51] <Romeo-> explain again
[17:51] <Romeo-> :)
[17:51] <Sonny_Jim> and missed a step
[17:51] <SirLagz> use 4 address mode on Pi 2 to talk to Pi 1
[17:52] <Romeo-> do you have ssh access to one of them?
[17:52] * Sonny_Jim goes off to be fonzed
[17:52] <SirLagz> I have physical access to both
[17:52] <SirLagz> ssh access to Pi 1
[17:52] <Romeo-> good
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[17:53] <Romeo-> give me the ifconfig output
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[17:53] <SirLagz> Romeo-: PMed it to you
[17:54] <SirLagz> http://pastebin.com/M3hgPk4R
[17:54] <Romeo-> ok
[17:54] <Romeo-> route -n
[17:55] <Romeo-> ping yahoo.de
[17:55] <SirLagz> on which Pi ?
[17:55] <Romeo-> p1
[17:55] <Romeo-> you want to use it like a wlan router?
[17:55] <Romeo-> :)
[17:55] <SirLagz> not quite
[17:55] <SirLagz> it already *is* a router
[17:55] <Romeo-> then scann on p2 the wifi network
[17:55] <SirLagz> I'm trying to get Pi2 to talk to Pi1 while using 4 address mode
[17:56] <Romeo-> aha
[17:56] <Romeo-> but u have to connect them first to the rp1 trou wifi
[17:56] <SirLagz> yep. they can connect via wifi
[17:56] <Romeo-> as dhcp server and client or static ip?
[17:57] <SirLagz> static ip
[17:57] <Romeo-> nevermind
[17:57] <Romeo-> where is the problemm then?
[17:57] <Romeo-> u want to use aliases?
[17:57] <SirLagz> once it connects to wifi, they can't talk to each other
[17:57] <Romeo-> i see
[17:58] <SirLagz> actually
[17:58] <Romeo-> u have to forward the internet from eth0 to wlan0 to get inet on the 2-nd one
[17:58] <SirLagz> Pi1 can ping Pi2
[17:58] <SirLagz> but Pi2 can't ping Pi1
[17:58] <Romeo-> route -n on nopaste
[17:58] <SirLagz> I don't need internet, I just want to be able to ping Pi1 from Pi2 lol
[17:58] <Romeo-> haha
[17:58] <Romeo-> ok
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[17:58] <Romeo-> ifconfig
[17:58] <Romeo-> route -n
[17:58] <Romeo-> arp -a
[17:59] <Romeo-> on nopaste
[17:59] <SirLagz> on Pi1 ?
[18:00] <Romeo-> p2
[18:00] <Romeo-> :)
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[18:00] <Romeo-> rp1 yes
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[18:01] <SirLagz> http://pastebin.com/Grk06Sfg
[18:02] <vlt> Hello. Where can I set the keyboard layout in raspbian’s GUI (LXDE?) environment? I want to be able to switch between layouts.
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[18:03] <nmpro> vlt, #raspbian ? ;)
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[18:22] <doorknob60> hi. I'm running raspbian on some devices to use as digital signage (contstantly display an HTML page), and am having issues with memory leaks in browsers. Is there a way to update to the latest Iceweasel/Firefox in Raspbian?
[18:22] <handuel> doorknob60: Either just download the latest version from the site, or use the wheezy backports repo
[18:23] <patagonicus> Maybe try a different browser. Midori should be preinstalled.
[18:23] <doorknob60> we tried Midori, but after a day or two or running, it crashed due to memory leaks
[18:23] <doorknob60> I will look at the backports repo though.
[18:23] <PhotoJim> doorknob60: you could just set up a cron job to kill the browser and restart it every 12 hours or so.
[18:23] <handuel> doorknob60: Are you sure it's memory leaks, it could just be chance, after a while something will go wrong
[18:23] <PhotoJim> that might be simpler.
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[18:24] <doorknob60> restarting it could certainly be an option, as obviously nobody will see it overnight
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[18:24] <patagonicus> Restarting the browser regulary is just an ugly hack. I'd rather fix the problem then work around it. But if backports doesn't help it may be the best option.
[18:24] <doorknob60> we are pretty sure it is memory, at least with Midori, because you could watch the memory usage rise in top
[18:25] <handuel> doorknob60: That would sound like memory leaks then yes :)
[18:25] <doorknob60> I'll also try Chromium, as it might handle memory better
[18:25] <patagonicus> Does the page use JavaScript? Maybe the script has a memory leak.
[18:25] <handuel> The think is finding something with as little memory leaks as you can (everything will have leaks somewhere)
[18:26] <doorknob60> we are using Concerto: http://www.concerto-signage.org/ as the backend. I haven't looked at the source much, but I assume it uses JS, but I also assume the devs of it have fairly stable code
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[18:27] <doorknob60> and we have it running currently on old Dell PCs and it can stay running for weeks on those
[18:28] <patagonicus> There should be tools in Firefox or Chrome that monitor memory usage of JavaScript, you could take a look at it with that. If you see a leak, file a bug report.
[18:29] <PhotoJim> patagonicus: it's an ugly workaround, but also a trivially simple one.
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[18:36] <handuel> Can someone explain to me why this: http://i.imgur.com/G4X921Y.png works? Apparentely the output is high (3.3v) and low (0v? I don't know) when the button is pushed, surely when the button is pressed the circuit will just become a parralel one. And voltage will flow to the output and to ground. Why is this not the case.
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[18:37] <handuel> The example is from the raspberry pi usermanuals chapter on GPIO by the way. Sorry for the awful reproduction of it. My gimpfu is not great
[18:38] <workingcats> handuel, more or less wild guessing, exposing how little i remember of my electronics... presumably something will be connected to the out, so most of the flow will be to ground. something along those lines anyways..
[18:39] <handuel> workingcats: OK, I think that helps me understand it a bit more. Thanks.
[18:39] <handuel> I might ask in ##electronics in as well
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[18:39] <workingcats> i'm fairly certain it's at least something along those lines.. but it has been about a decade :/
[18:40] <workingcats> shame, was my favourite subject at a-level, by far
[18:40] <Mjolinor> I dont understand your question
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[18:40] <Mjolinor> are you asking what the voltage will be at the bottom of the resistor?
[18:40] <handuel> workingcats: :( You should do some projects on your pi to get yourself back into it :)
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[18:41] <handuel> Mjolinor: I'm asking why pressing the switch makes the voltage at the output low
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> handuel, the input to the pin is at 3.3v until the button is pushed - then it drops to 0v.
[18:41] <Mjolinor> because you are connecting Out to ground
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> handuel, the resistor pulls it to 3.3v
[18:42] <workingcats> handuel, dont actually own one, doing a work project on it :)
[18:42] <handuel> workingcats: Buy one then :D
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[18:42] <workingcats> handuel, once i have my server ;)
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[18:43] <workingcats> that reminds me, are there any attempts to get *bsd, ideally openbsd, on the pi?
[18:43] <handuel> gordonDrogon: Why does it drop to 0 though? I thought the circuit would just become parralel, with half the charge flowing to the ground, and half flowing to the output pin
[18:43] <Freeheart> I'm grabbing a Pi today for OpenELEC as a home media center. Does anybody have any recommendations for USB wifi dongles that support 802.11n and 5ghz?
[18:43] <workingcats> to answer my own question, no obsd
[18:44] <Freeheart> Preferably with open source drivers rather than a blob.
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[18:45] <vlt> vlt: You can use `setxkbmap` ;-)
[18:46] <Mjolinor> no
[18:46] <Mjolinor> there is 0 resistance, (I am assuming that the black triangle is a ground symbol)
[18:46] <Mjolinor> so oyu have 3.3 volts dropped across the resistor
[18:46] <doorknob60> where can I find the backports repo that has iceweasel in it? The mozilla.debian.net repo only has i386 and amd64 packages, and http://archive.raspbian.org does not seem to have any backports either
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[18:47] <Mjolinor> it doesn't matter what is ocnnected to "out" the voltage will always be 0 at the bottom of the resistor
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[18:47] <handuel> Mjolinor: Why is the voltage not 0 all the time then?
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[18:48] <handuel> voltage at the bottom of the resistor*
[18:48] <handuel> as the book says it is 0 only when the switch is pressed.
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[18:49] <Mjolinor> because when the switch is open thepotential divider is the resistor + whatever impedance oyu have to ground on your load circuit, if this is a normal microprocessor input it will be very large compared to the resistor
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[18:49] <Mjolinor> the resistor in the diagram will be about 10 k ohm, the resistance looking into the "out" will be probably > 1 M ohm
[18:50] <handuel> Mjolinor: Thankyou very much. I understand now. Sorry for seeming argumentative.
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[18:51] <handuel> Does raspian come with the python GPIO libs installed? I don't have internet connection on either of my pi's
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[18:54] <handuel> Mjolinor: ONe final question, the book states that the circuit wouldn't work if the switch just connected the +3.3v in, and the ouput, and then you had a program checking if the pin was high. Why is this?
[18:55] <Mjolinor> the input pin will float when the switch is not pressed
[18:55] <Mjolinor> it is therefore undefined and because hte circuit you are driving is such hish impedance it will change at random
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[18:55] <Mjolinor> as you walk past it or touch anythign in the sam eroom and so on it will drift about
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[18:56] <handuel> Mjolinor: Ok, will it also float when the switch is pressed in the diagram I posted?
[18:56] <Mjolinor> I think the Raspi may have its own pullups internally but I am not sure
[18:56] <Mjolinor> if it has then you could jsut add a switch to ground and it would work
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[18:57] <Mjolinor> it will not float in your circuit, you ahve a ground at hte bottom
[18:57] <Mjolinor> if it si a ground and not jsut a black random triangle :)
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[18:58] <handuel> Mjolinor: It is indeed a ground :D I can't draw circuit diagrams. So how is no voltage down it because it has all been dropped over the resistor, different to no voltage as it is not connected to anything (A switch between it and the power is open)
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[18:59] <Mjolinor> if it is a theoretical circuit then when the switch is open you have no current flow through the resistor
[19:00] <Mjolinor> 0 current, fixed resistance there fore no voltage drop across the resistor << ohms law
[19:00] <Mjolinor> when the switch is pressed you have current flow thorugh the resistor to ground, 3.3 volts dropped across the resistor << ohms law again
[19:01] <Mjolinor> in practise there will be slightly less than 3.3 volts at the bottom of the resistor when the switch is open due to internal loads on the circuit you are driving (presumably a Raspi input pin)
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[19:03] <handuel> I got that bit, however I'm confused about what this stuff about floating means. I'd think that when ~3.3v is dropped across the resistor there is nothing flowing to out. Which is the same as if I had an open switch between the +3.3v in and the out (No current flowing to out)
[19:03] <Mjolinor> no, it is not hte same
[19:04] <Mjolinor> you can test this by removing your circuit and measuring the voltage at "out"
[19:04] <Mjolinor> you will find a voltage there
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[19:04] <handuel> Mjolinor: Is it explainable why>
[19:04] <Mjolinor> but what it will be is undefined
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[19:05] <Mjolinor> OK, I think this would be better in a private window, I dont htink it really fits in here
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[19:14] <plugwash> Anyone here heard of the PSU vendor mean well and have anything good or bad to say about them?
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[19:22] <Sonny_Jim> Funny Indian Ben from Short Circuit 1 & 2 was a white guy in 'blackface'
[19:22] <Sonny_Jim> I feel bad about this
[19:23] <Sonny_Jim> Carry on
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[19:23] <ShorTie> go go Johny 5
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[19:34] <Vibe> hi
[19:34] <Sonny_Jim> Hi Vibe
[19:34] <Vibe> my RPi shows red led on if hdmi not connected
[19:35] <Vibe> something wrong with my config.txt?
[19:35] <Sonny_Jim> I thuoght the red LED was just power...
[19:35] <Sonny_Jim> ie it's always one
[19:35] <Sonny_Jim> *on
[19:35] <Vibe> just that red led on
[19:35] <Sonny_Jim> Oh
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[19:35] <Vibe> RPi works when hdmi connected, without doesn't
[19:36] <Sonny_Jim> Can you paste you config.txt somewhere so we can look at it?
[19:36] <Vibe> I have disabled all in config.txt just overclockage on
[19:36] <Sonny_Jim> And I take it you are trying to ping it or something to check whether it's booted?
[19:36] <Vibe> yeap
[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> odd
[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> Works with composite?
[19:37] <pksato> Vibe: hi, with hdmi connected, red led is on?
[19:37] <Vibe> havenyes
[19:37] <Vibe> *yes
[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> Bad firmware download?
[19:38] <Vibe> but why does it fail if hdmni not connected
[19:38] <pksato> Vibe: and, how yu know that not working with out hdmi?
[19:38] <Sonny_Jim> pksato: ping
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[19:38] <Vibe> no other leds on and doesn't respond to ping
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[19:38] <Sonny_Jim> Ethernet cable?
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[19:39] <Vibe> responds to ping if hdmi connected
[19:39] <Vibe> so cable is ok
[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> Ok
[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> Have you tried overwriting what's in boot, the first partition?
[19:39] <Vibe> nope
[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> Give that a whirl
[19:40] <Vibe> why I should do something like that
[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> because the firmware blob might be corrupted
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[19:40] <Vibe> does config.txt have something enabled more than overclock things by default?
[19:41] <pothibo> Hi there, I just came accross something. When creating the sdcard with DD it limits the partition to 2gb. My sdcard is 4gb, how can I use the whole space ?
[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> afaik an empty config.txt will boot no matter what
[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> pothibo: sudo raspi-config
[19:41] <pothibo> Sonny_Jim: Thank you!
[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> You may have a hooky SD card that pretends to be 4GB when it's 2GB however
[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> But try that first
[19:42] <Sonny_Jim> Raspian by default will only use 2GB of the card until you use raspi-config
[19:43] <pothibo> actually it's and 8gb
[19:43] <pothibo> oh I'm on arch
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> to expand the filesystem
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> Not sure then, check the wiki installation instructions
[19:43] <pothibo> yeah I'll check it out thx
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[19:49] <pothibo> wow it was simple
[19:50] <Mjolinor> simple is fine but not necessarily good
[19:51] <Mjolinor> you shudl leave it at 2 and make the other 6 a seperate file system so that if anythign goes wrong you are not writing to your OS filesystem
[19:51] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[19:51] <Sonny_Jim> Or you could not do insane overclocks and enjoy a stable system
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[19:56] <Mjolinor> stable without overclocking would be nice
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[19:56] <Mjolinor> If I power my Pi on with the HDMI connected but the TV not switched to that input then the Pi crashes the tv
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[20:12] <pothibo> is it trivial for Go lang to use sudo power?
[20:13] <pothibo> oops
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[21:15] <quackgyver> Finally done moving.
[21:15] <quackgyver> Took the opportunity to get myself a dedicated glass desk for my rPi stuff. :-)
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> I need a better desk - it's a bit shoogly and my new monitor wobbles a bit too much for my liking.
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[21:19] <pukkapi> My desk was kicked out of what is now a Nursery..... how am I going to teach him hacking now!?
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[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> Teach him how to analyse, dissemble, understand and reassemble
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[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> But I guess he'll work that out for himself
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> Along with putting toast in the DVD player
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[21:26] <pukkapi> He'll be asking me what a DVD is
[21:27] <pukkapi> "You mean you could only get standard definition on them dad? Thats Ridiculous!"
[21:29] <ozzzy> standard definition is fine
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[21:38] <pukkapi> VHS was fine
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[21:38] <krosis> SVHS all the way!
[21:40] <pukkapi> You can't put a Blueray on Long Play
[21:40] <pukkapi> urrgh *Bluray
[21:41] <krosis> well… you can really adjust the bitrate on a digital file a lot more flexibly than sp/lp.
[21:42] <krosis> loading 30 seasons of SD tv shows onto a single BD yay
[21:43] <Sonny_Jim> Pfft
[21:43] <Sonny_Jim> Kinoscope is where *true* quality is at
[21:43] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, I still think analog TV broadcast was of drastically better qualirt
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[21:44] <Sonny_Jim> And they only needed the bandwidth to shove more adverts in out faces
[21:44] <Sonny_Jim> No one believes me however
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[21:45] <krosis> don't the digital broadcasts use less bandwidth per physical channel?
[21:46] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[21:46] <Sonny_Jim> More adverts to get through to you but worse picture quality
[21:47] <atouk> analog was better because of infinite color levels. no matter how good HD is, you still get blocking, or motion and compression artifacts
[21:47] <Sonny_Jim> Analog TV broadcast looks better, most obvious one is sports
[21:47] <Sonny_Jim> yah
[21:47] * Sonny_Jim hands atouk a hat
[21:47] <krosis> blocks or no, hard to get around 6x the resolution.
[21:47] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
[21:48] <Sonny_Jim> You have to remember there had been nearly 70 years of progress on the technology end to end
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[21:48] <Sonny_Jim> When DTV came out it looked awful
[21:48] <atouk> the more we watch HD, we just train ourselves to ignore the squares
[21:48] <pukkapi> All digital media is stifled by sample rates, its just at what point we stop perceiving the difference
[21:48] <Sonny_Jim> HD-DVD/Bluerary
[21:48] <Sonny_Jim> Erk
[21:49] <atouk> and fim is better than digital projectors in cinemas
[21:49] <Sonny_Jim> In cinema, for sure
[21:49] <krosis> I think you're just remembering analog a little too fondly :)
[21:49] <Sonny_Jim> Can't get the bulbs to go bright enough with digi
[21:49] <Sonny_Jim> Least not yet
[21:49] <Sonny_Jim> You weren't there man!
[21:49] * Sonny_Jim sits in the corner
[21:49] <Sonny_Jim> This isn't CD versus Vinyl
[21:50] * plugwash bets if digital broadcast was given the same RF bandwidth analog broadcast had it would blow it out of the water
[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> Different kettle of fish entirely. Anyone can hear that CD is better, but that's lossless
[21:50] <plugwash> but the broadcasters perffer to use the bandwidth to cram more channels in
[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> Not the point plugwash
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[21:50] <atouk> with film, the grain is random, so it smoothes color /contrast progressions. with digital, the pixels are always in the same place and if you look, you see them
[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> The topic was quality of what we were given via broadcast
[21:50] <krosis> plugwash: not all, there are a few single channel digital stations
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[21:50] <pukkapi> But then we wouldn't have 4G! Oh .... hold on.... nobody does
[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> Which went downhill
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[21:51] <krosis> and the primary channel usually gets 60-75% of the bandwidth
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[21:51] <krosis> honestly if they had just mandated mpeg4 support and 1080p30 in atsc.. things would have been a little nicer.
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[21:52] <atouk> digital broadcast was crippled at birth because it was givento a preprietory scheme instead of a best method. it's all about the $$, not the picture quality
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[21:56] * plugwash lives in a country with DVB rather than ATSC so afaict there is no concept of a "primary channel"
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> the quality of (tv) programming - both the visual and content is 1� numberOfChannels
[21:57] <ShadowJK> Within each bundle, bandwidth is evenly split here
[21:58] <ShadowJK> but some bundles have fewer channels than other bundles :)
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> oh god what have I done
[22:00] <krosis> in atsc they aren't evenly split.. I get about 12-15 Mbps on primary channels and 2-3 on secondary.
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[22:07] <SpeedEvil> http://connect.dpreview.com/post/1040220037/first-look-sony-qx10-qx100-mobile-cameras - now these look interesting for the Pi - and other things perhaps
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> Basically a LCD-less camera.
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[22:14] <CDR`> Is there any tutorials on using the Pi as a news scraping type device? I am thinking of plugging the rPi into a monitor at work in the staff room and would have it display sports news, global news etc but googling "Raspberry Pi news ticker" or +scraper etc, isn't that great
[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe a plugin for xmbc or the like
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[22:29] <SpeedEvil> CDR`: basically you're being confused - the pi is nothing special
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> CDR`: do it like you would on any (slow) linux box
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> The pi is nothing mroe than a very slow linux computer for this app.
[22:30] <ParkerR> CDR`, http://www.newsrssticker.com/
[22:30] <ParkerR> Not sure about compatibility with the Pi
[22:31] <ParkerR> Aha http://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/main/t/tickr/tickr_0.6.4-1_armhf.deb
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> couldn't you just run something like chromium browser in kiosk mode pointing to bbc news page?
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[23:15] <DMackey> My Wireless RALINK RT5370N USB Adapter keeps going to sleep, I have to reboot the RPi to get it working again, anyone know what command IF there is a command to get it working again with out rebooting?
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> replace it with something else?
[23:16] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, Not exactly the cheapest solution :P
[23:16] <DMackey> lol I was actually thinking that to be honest
[23:16] <DMackey> This adapter was like $8 on ebay awhile back.
[23:17] <ParkerR> Ahh
[23:17] <ParkerR> I prefer anything with the RTL8188CUS chipset in it for the Pi (Most newer N donlges)
[23:17] <ParkerR> Edimax, Netgear, etc
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[23:19] <DMackey> Point something out on ebay for me will ya? The smaller the better of course
[23:20] <Sonny_Jim> erm
[23:20] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wifi
[23:20] * Sonny_Jim has been in ##rtlsdr for too long
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[23:22] <DMackey> I guess I could try one of these. http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-Dongle-Wifi-RealTek-RTL8188-Wireless-RealTek-RTL8188-For-IBM-DELL-SONY-/190874875333
[23:22] <DMackey> The one I have looks exactly like it BUT has the RT5370N Chip in it.
[23:24] <ParkerR> Weird
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> I've never used a wi-fi dongle myself. not a big fan of wi-fi at all.
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> office full of cables here :)
[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> At least most wifi works without having to slice apart Windows blobs here
[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> And I hate those stupid Ethernet-over-power-wire things
[23:31] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, At least on my beefier machines I have always had just as good if not very near the speed of wired in my house. Helps living towards the middle of nowhere with little to no interferrance
[23:32] <Sonny_Jim> HAMs have a right to radio too you know!
[23:32] <DMackey> THis is for my RPi Wifi Access point :)
[23:32] <DMackey> I have 3 RPi's so I figured I would use one of the 256mb ones for an AP
[23:33] <ParkerR> DMackey, D: Eww. I had horrible throughput with the Pi as just an access point (sharing ethernet to its own wifi connection)
[23:33] <DMackey> THe Wireless lasts around 12 to 15 hrs to craps out and requires a reboot
[23:33] <ParkerR> Was maxing at 600kB/s
[23:33] <DMackey> I have the Wireless bridged to ethernet
[23:34] <ParkerR> Yeah
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[23:39] <steve_rox> yay i sucessfully got the relay board working on the rpi
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[23:39] <Sonny_Jim> steve_rox: Cool!
[23:39] <steve_rox> seems to draw like 500ma from the gpio at 5v tho
[23:39] <steve_rox> not sure how safe it is
[23:40] <steve_rox> but no magic smoke released and it seems stable
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[23:40] <Sonny_Jim> You running the relay straight from GPIO?
[23:40] <Sonny_Jim> no MOSFET/Transistor?
[23:40] <steve_rox> well i followed a utube vid
[23:40] <Sonny_Jim> erm
[23:40] <steve_rox> the 5v gpio out and the ground pin
[23:40] <DMackey> Link to the vid plz?
[23:40] <Sonny_Jim> Get a 20p MOSFET, save $35
[23:40] <steve_rox> might take me a min
[23:41] <Sonny_Jim> I fix pinball tables so I have quite a few kicking around
[23:42] <DMackey> I bought a stash of MOSFETS and transistorrs when I got the Arduino and RPI's..
[23:42] <steve_rox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc1daIb1LVc
[23:43] <DMackey> I have people give me old electronics, I strip the PCBs out and use them for parts and recycle what ever else is left
[23:43] <steve_rox> try that link
[23:43] <DMackey> lookign
[23:43] <steve_rox> i think thats it
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[23:45] <DMackey> I have a few relays like this I play with : http://www.ebay.com/itm/310643608362
[23:46] <DMackey> I have 2 hooked to a Digispark right now, was playing with a PIR sensor and some LED lighting with them
[23:46] <steve_rox> i got all 8 working fine
[23:47] <steve_rox> i changed some example led control code to trigger them
[23:47] <steve_rox> i need to learn some more python so i can do more wacky things with it now
[23:47] <Sonny_Jim> My Pi project was to take a $12 USB TV Tuner and use it to receive and catalog pager messages into a database
[23:48] <steve_rox> sounds interesting
[23:49] <steve_rox> i do have a usb tv tuner here
[23:49] <Sonny_Jim> 14:31-63 041: ALARM 1 04/09/2013 14:30:47 BAE RO-BH-FE-FEP Blr Feed Water Press Pres0.5bar (Pres3.0bar)<NUL><NUL>
[23:49] <steve_rox> but i wouldent know where to start
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[23:49] <Sonny_Jim> steve_rox: It's easy
[23:49] <Sonny_Jim> google rtlsdr
[23:49] <Sonny_Jim> Lots of alarm and monitoring companies still use it
[23:49] <Sonny_Jim> But I must remind people of the Telegraphy Act
[23:49] <Sonny_Jim> aka
[23:50] <Sonny_Jim> it's illegal to know the contect any transmission that wasn't explicitly destined for you
[23:50] <Sonny_Jim> (really, that's the law)
[23:50] <Sonny_Jim> *content
[23:52] <Sonny_Jim> 23:07-85 03/09/2013 23:06:01 INC 10062178 31D02 (211) BAR SITY PUB, XXX ROAD, XXX MANCHESTER, M13 XXX Male 13 Years 13YOM DRUNK CODE 2 NUL>
[23:52] <steve_rox> i wanted to try see if i could watch tv thu it too
[23:53] <Sonny_Jim> Stuff like that, obv I've censured it
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[23:53] <Sonny_Jim> Er I just read that message
[23:53] <Sonny_Jim> A drunk 13yr old at a pub isn't going to go down so well
[23:54] <steve_rox> sounds amuseing
[23:54] <Sonny_Jim> Mostly boring, every so often you see pure gold
[23:54] <steve_rox> haha
[23:55] <steve_rox> sounds like something fun to rig up
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[23:55] <Sonny_Jim> Bank Holidays are the best time
[23:55] <Sonny_Jim> So many crazy people
[23:55] <steve_rox> how easy is it to rig up?
[23:55] <Sonny_Jim> If you have windows, sdr# is pretty easy
[23:55] <Sonny_Jim> if you have linux, it's even easier
[23:56] <Sonny_Jim> git clone blah
[23:56] <Sonny_Jim> configure make install
[23:56] <Sonny_Jim> I did a HOWTO on the forums
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[23:57] <steve_rox> i can do cloneing and all that stuff
[23:57] <Sonny_Jim> www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=45142
[23:57] <steve_rox> i just need to configure hardware etc
[23:57] <Sonny_Jim> No need really
[23:58] <Sonny_Jim> But there's a script attached to the first post that does it all the building for you
[23:58] <Sonny_Jim> The hard part is learning how to tune effectively
[23:58] <Sonny_Jim> But I've put some tips on a later post
[23:58] <Sonny_Jim> If you give it a try let me know how you get on
[23:59] <Sonny_Jim> Also I'm working on a decent BBC B emulator to run ELITE fullspeed
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[23:59] <Sonny_Jim> Based on MESS
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[23:59] <Sonny_Jim> So far it's looking good, chuckie egg is fun to play :-)
[23:59] <Sonny_Jim> BeebEM sucks on Rasbian
[23:59] <steve_rox> that like a bbc micro?
[23:59] <Sonny_Jim> yeah

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