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IRC Log for 2013-09-08

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[0:15] <prettymuchbryce> Does anyone have a good idea where I can buy an affordable raspberry pi B bundle online which ships to the US ? I'm having some trouble finding one that isn't on backorder.
[0:16] <pksato> rs or e14 dont have on stok?
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[0:16] <plugwash> Can you be specific about what exactly it is you are after, "bundle" can mean different things to different people..........
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[0:19] <prettymuchbryce> power supply, pi, sd card. plugwash
[0:19] <prettymuchbryce> power adapter rather
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[0:21] <feeshon> Hello, I have a Jdrones IO board (for multicopters) which I want to control from my raspberry pi via I2c
[0:21] <feeshon> Has anyone done this?
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[0:28] <plugwash> mcm have a bundle with the Pi and SD card in stock http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-15499 and they sell suitable PSUs seperately http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/28-13055&green=2E19C6EE-04C6-5DEA-BA1E-1E7682F958FB
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[0:30] <pksato> pirack. http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-55186
[0:32] <prettymuchbryce> Perfect. Thanks plugwash
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[0:51] <Phosie> One more little change and my Arch will be perfect :D
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[0:52] <Phosie> I just need to get the wifi sorted, I have to type wifi-menu every boot at the moment
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[1:07] <Sonny_Jim> Could I use a 74xx AND chip as a 'protection buffer' for my GPIO?
[1:07] <Sonny_Jim> Just wire one side of it to vcc
[1:08] <rikkib> vcc = 3.3v?
[1:08] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I think you get 5V there as well
[1:09] <rikkib> The RPi gpio is 3.3v
[1:09] <Sonny_Jim> The GPIO adapter I have already isn't wired the way I'd like, I want to use the PWM GPIO but it's been wired as an input
[1:09] <Sonny_Jim> I mean you can get 5V from the header
[1:09] <Sonny_Jim> P1
[1:09] <plugwash> While there is a 5V power pin on the Pi's GPIO header you MUST NOT put 5V into any of the IO lines
[1:09] <rikkib> You must use a level translator if you want to run 5v
[1:09] <Sonny_Jim> I know that
[1:10] <rikkib> Or transistor buffers
[1:10] <Sonny_Jim> ah ok
[1:10] <Sonny_Jim> I have a max232 somewhere I think
[1:10] * plugwash thinks that is highly unlikely to be a suitable device for anything involving a Pi
[1:11] <Sonny_Jim> Should really just look at the datasheet
[1:11] <Sonny_Jim> I think it's a quad input 2 AND
[1:11] <plugwash> tell us what exactly you are trying to interface and we can tell you an appropriate way to interface it.
[1:11] <rikkib> replace max232 with max3232
[1:11] <Sonny_Jim> Nevermind
[1:11] <plugwash> rikkib IF he is trying to interface to a RS232 system which I am pretty sure is NOT what he is trying to do
[1:11] <Sonny_Jim> thanks anyway, I'll go have a look what I've got
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[1:12] <rikkib> Just buy the proper devices... 3.3v logic
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[1:13] <atouk> 74lcx244
[1:18] <Sonny_Jim> Thanks, I'll check it out
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[1:19] <Sonny_Jim> I want to control strips of 12V SMD5050 LEDs but I don't really want to tie up that many GPIO pins, so I think I want something like a SIPO shift register
[1:20] <Sonny_Jim> I have pretty much no idea what a SIPO shift register is, but it seems to be the go
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[1:21] <rikkib> Serial in Parallel Out
[1:21] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, I think I need to go read some logic tutorials to get my head around it
[1:21] <rikkib> You need pwm
[1:21] <rikkib> for leds
[1:21] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah well
[1:21] <rikkib> to control intensity
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[1:22] <Sonny_Jim> The retropie GPIO adapter I have isn't setup so I can use the PWM pin as an output.....
[1:22] <rikkib> and most likely multiplexing
[1:22] <Sonny_Jim> 4 inputs, 2 outputs but on totally the wrong pins
[1:23] <Sonny_Jim> and the schematics for it were wrong *grumble grumble*
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[1:23] <Sonny_Jim> But right now I've got a strip of them being controlled by P1-19 and a TIP122
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[1:56] <Sonny_Jim> wait, I can do PWM on any of the GPIO pins?
[1:56] <Sonny_Jim> I thought it was only certain ones, I tried with wiringpi and it didn't seem to make a difference
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[2:04] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/sets/72157635427543068/
[2:10] <Sonny_Jim> Nope, only hardware PWM on GPIO1
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[4:06] <InterWeb> Hi
[4:06] * Sonny_Jim says Hi to the InterWeb
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[4:08] <InterWeb> My raspberry pi will arive on 9 days, I want to use my raspberry pi for downloading and I don't have any monitors , so I want to use ssh -x on my computer and use my raspberry pi , could I ?
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[4:09] <Sonny_Jim> I'm not sure I understand the question. What does X11 forwarding have to do with downloading?
[4:10] <Sonny_Jim> I suppose the question is, how do you plan to download stuff
[4:10] <Sonny_Jim> http/ftp/torrent etc
[4:11] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, I don't have any problem with cron :) , I just want to know how do I can run my raspberry pi from scratch and connect it to my commputer without monitor ,
[4:11] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm good question and it gets asked a lot
[4:11] <Sonny_Jim> How are you planning to connect, wifi or ethernet?
[4:12] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, I bought model B so ethernet.
[4:12] <Sonny_Jim> Right
[4:12] <Sonny_Jim> I *believe* that the sshd starts on first boot
[4:12] <Sonny_Jim> You will need to figure out what dhcp address it gets
[4:12] <IT_Sean> Depends on he OS. Raspi an has it on by default.
[4:12] <Sonny_Jim> Either through your router dhcp table
[4:12] <IT_Sean> *the
[4:12] <Sonny_Jim> (I always assume rasbian)
[4:12] <IT_Sean> *raspbian
[4:12] <Sonny_Jim> Or through nmap'ing
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[4:13] <InterWeb> I want to use debian for raspberry ( raspbian ?)
[4:14] <InterWeb> What happens on first boot ? any config ? Can I do that without monitors?
[4:15] <Sonny_Jim> From memory, when you login for the first time you will be taken to a configuration screen
[4:15] <Sonny_Jim> The first thing you will want to do is change the default password and resize the main partition
[4:15] <Sonny_Jim> By default it is only 2GB, regardless of SD card size
[4:15] <Sonny_Jim> This is all in the installation instructions
[4:16] <Sonny_Jim> But unfortunately I cannot confirm if the sshd starts on first boot
[4:16] <Sonny_Jim> You may have to plug in a keyboard and give it the three finger salute
[4:16] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, Can I skip the configuration and connect it to sshd and do the configuration?
[4:16] <Sonny_Jim> I do know it will start on the 2nd boot
[4:17] <Sonny_Jim> Boot it up, leave it for a couple of minutes and check your DHCP client table in your router
[4:17] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, I have an old TV too ,
[4:17] <Sonny_Jim> Then just use that, it'll be much easier
[4:18] <InterWeb> I don't know the name of the cable , It is not HDMI or VGA
[4:18] <Sonny_Jim> composite/RCA
[4:18] <InterWeb> Let me go check it,
[4:18] <Sonny_Jim> (kids these days...)
[4:19] <pksato> yellow connector on TV with label video in.
[4:19] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, white , yellow and red cables was there , Is it supported ?
[4:20] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[4:20] <Sonny_Jim> That's what we old timers call composite
[4:20] <Sonny_Jim> Plug the yellow cable into the round connector on the Pi
[4:21] <Sonny_Jim> Which is coincidentally yellow
[4:21] <Sonny_Jim> You can always buy a cheap HDMI->DVI connector if need be
[4:21] <Sonny_Jim> DVI is the same as HDMI, just a different plug and no audio
[4:22] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, except the first boot I don't need any monitor's :) just want to use ssh
[4:22] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah as I said, I can't remember if it starts the sshd on the first boot
[4:22] <Sonny_Jim> I think it does
[4:23] <Sonny_Jim> You may want to google "headless raspbian installation"
[4:23] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, Do I need to do any config for network too ?
[4:23] <Sonny_Jim> Not if you use an ethernet cable
[4:25] <pksato> InterWeb: like any moderm system, rpi get ip from dhcp protocol, just need a some dhcp server on network, like a Internet Router.
[4:25] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, sshd server *does* start on first boot
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[4:26] <InterWeb> pksato, after connecting ethernet cable should I do any config to use internet on it ?
[4:26] <pksato> no.
[4:26] <pksato> or, depend of you network.
[4:27] <Sonny_Jim> Normally, no.
[4:27] <pksato> if you connect a other big computer, you need do any configuration to use internet?
[4:27] <pksato> big computer = notebook or desktop
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[4:27] <InterWeb> pksato, Yes , dns
[4:28] <InterWeb> pksato, I mean DNS
[4:28] <Sonny_Jim> Your router doesn't dole out the DNS information?
[4:28] <Sonny_Jim> weird.
[4:29] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, on my last ISP everything was good and after coming to new one I need to change DNS‌ on phone on laptop :/
[4:30] <Sonny_Jim> Again, weird.
[4:30] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, :)))
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[4:30] <Sonny_Jim> To get round filters or just nothing works till you change to a different DNS server?
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[4:31] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, Some sites I've used before doesn't work , like google
[4:31] <Sonny_Jim> Jeez, sounds like you live in China or something
[4:31] <pksato> poor configured modem
[4:32] <Sonny_Jim> But yeah, I would chat to your ISP about that
[4:32] <InterWeb> pksato, What should I do ?
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[4:32] <Sonny_Jim> Well, you could always /quit before getting an answer
[4:32] <pksato> and, some ISP have a badly dns service.
[4:33] <Sonny_Jim> Can't say I've ever had a problem
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[4:33] <Sonny_Jim> Well, apart from Sky ADSL completely sucking
[4:34] <Sonny_Jim> Oh I miss my Surfboard Cablemodem and Telewest....
[4:34] <Sonny_Jim> Bandwidth 'management'? What's that?
[4:34] <Sonny_Jim> etc etc
[4:34] <pksato> other direct to some site if dns fail.
[4:34] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah that sucks big time
[4:34] <Sonny_Jim> Most let you opt out, but it should be opt out anyway
[4:35] <Sonny_Jim> If I ever spot it on a friends ISP I always opt them out
[4:35] <Sonny_Jim> www.fdsnjfnerufnewuifneu.com should never resolve
[4:36] * Phosie registers www.fdsnjfnerufnewuifneu.com
[4:37] <Sonny_Jim> A friend of mine used to IRC from:
[4:37] <Sonny_Jim> loc@l.ho.st
[4:37] <Sonny_Jim> sorry
[4:37] <Sonny_Jim> loc@lho.st
[4:37] <Sonny_Jim> I've actually seen him irc from an address ending in .255 before, no idea how he did that
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[4:42] <Phosie> Just reminded me, I need to connect my pi to the network again
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[4:47] <Dagger2> same way you use any other address: assign it to yourself and connect from it
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[4:48] <Sonny_Jim> I always thought broadcast addresses would get filtered left right and centre
[4:48] <Dagger2> it may not be a broadcast address
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[4:48] <Dagger2> and there's no way to tell if it is or not from the rest of the internet
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[4:51] <Sonny_Jim> I suppose if all it means is that if you use 1.2.3.255, then anything on the 1.2.3.x subnet will listen to the message
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[4:58] <pksato> network and broadcast address depend of netmask.
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[5:30] <Dagger2> Sonny_Jim: assuming it actually is 1.2.3.x
[5:31] <Dagger2> if it's 1.2.x.x there's a bunch of .255 addresses that aren't the broadcast (which is .255.255)
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[6:36] <Jungle-Boogie> how's everyone's pi doing this evening?
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[6:38] <mouse9911> hi, this is kind of a random question, but its very important to me :)
[6:39] <mouse9911> i am trying to use speakers with raspberry pi
[6:39] <mouse9911> when i power usb speakers through pi with wifi adapter it crashes
[6:39] <mouse9911> so i used wall adapter to power pi (through gpio) and speakers
[6:39] <mouse9911> which works ok… but when i use speakers it really destabilizes pi
[6:39] <mouse9911> any ideas? anyone? :)
[6:40] <pksato> use more power psu.
[6:40] <mouse9911> higher wattage rating?
[6:40] <PhotoJim> not enough power, yup
[6:40] <PhotoJim> higher amps, which means it draws more watts
[6:40] <mouse9911> or should l i put in some more capacitors? its a 5v 2A supply
[6:41] <mouse9911> with just pi, and usb speakers
[6:41] <PhotoJim> what do your speakers draw?
[6:41] <mouse9911> i see… good question ;)
[6:41] <PhotoJim> it might also be the speakers are too close to the Pi
[6:41] <PhotoJim> if they're not shielded
[6:42] <mouse9911> its the pi that gets unstable, the speakers sound great
[6:42] <mouse9911> the speakers say Output power: 2.5W*2(RMS)
[6:42] <PhotoJim> that doesn't say anything about the speaker shielding
[6:42] <mouse9911> i see
[6:43] <mouse9911> do you know by chance what RMS means?
[6:43] <PhotoJim> root mean square
[6:43] <PhotoJim> i.e. average essentially
[6:44] <mouse9911> ok, i am a bit confused :) sorry for questions……….
[6:44] <fengshaun> wouldn't you need a supply that can...supply...at least 2.5A?
[6:44] <mouse9911> so output power is 2.5W?....
[6:44] <mouse9911> well i guess that depends what RMS=?
[6:44] <mouse9911> i don't know….. :(
[6:44] <fengshaun> I remember RMS was the average: sqrt(I)/2
[6:45] <fengshaun> I've only seen it used in context of alternate current
[6:45] <mouse9911> i see… ok i guess it really deeds on that parameter… they are USB speakers.. the kind you attach to computer USB port
[6:45] <pksato> Its is audio power.
[6:46] <mouse9911> so i thought 2A would be fine for both pi and them...
[6:46] <PhotoJim> you need to know watts and volts to calculate amps
[6:46] <PhotoJim> besides, audio output is not the same as power consumption
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[6:46] <mouse9911> ok that makes sense
[6:46] <fengshaun> P=IV
[6:46] <pksato> if is usb powered speaker, voltage is 5V.
[6:46] <fengshaun> so, with 2.5W = I * 5V
[6:47] <PhotoJim> just like my 100-watt amateur radio transceiver draws 20 amps of 13.8 volts which is well over 200 watts of power
[6:47] <fengshaun> oh
[6:47] <pksato> these speaker need at least 1A at full volume.
[6:47] <PhotoJim> 2.5W is output, not consumption
[6:47] <PhotoJim> that would assume 100% efficiency and they're not
[6:47] <fengshaun> does it say how much power it consumes?
[6:47] <PhotoJim> besides, two speakers x 2.5 watts
[6:47] <mouse9911> i am confused, they are usb speakers, usb allows 500mA at 5V?
[6:47] <PhotoJim> and draw will be higher for louder audio
[6:48] <mouse9911> why can i use them on a computer normally.. and not with pi with 2A 5v adapter?
[6:48] <PhotoJim> you have plenty of evidence of inadequate power here
[6:48] <PhotoJim> if moving them away from your Pi doesn't help, then you need more juice
[6:48] <mouse9911> ok let me try that :)
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[6:58] <mouse9911> ok first test seems to suggest its distance… trying again
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[7:03] <mouse9911> it seems a bit better when speaker is farther but pi still falls apart just takes a bit longer
[7:04] <mouse9911> it becomes more and more unresponsive, if speaker is near then the effect is immediate, if farther it takes a minute or two
[7:05] <pksato> It not make sense.
[7:06] <mouse9911> i am powering speakers directly from awl adapter and raspberry pi through the gpio 5v and gnd headers…. could that be the problem?
[7:06] <mouse9911> i just want to use USB speakers and pi from same power source...
[7:07] <pksato> you have other power supply?
[7:07] <mouse9911> awl=wall****
[7:07] <mouse9911> i have a few of the same model wall adapters
[7:07] <pksato> try other.
[7:08] <mouse9911> ok
[7:08] <pksato> perhaps, unit is use is falt.
[7:08] <pksato> fault.
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[8:20] <Phosie> By idling you can really tell who has a terrible connection.
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[8:25] <jungle-boogie> who uses irssi with their pi?
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[8:47] <Phosie> Jungle-Boogie: I use irssi with my pi
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[9:03] <Phosie> hi
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[11:03] <Mjolinor> is there any way to tell when the raspi has completed a shutdown by looking at an IO pin?
[11:03] <ShorTie> when just the red light is on
[11:03] <Mjolinor> i mad e aboard that pulses pin 5 of P1 to bring it out of shutdown if it is shutdown, this keep spulsing every minute or so
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[11:04] <Mjolinor> the pulses dont do anythign if hte pi is booted but will wake it if it isnt
[11:04] <Mjolinor> the problem is that I need to add an RTC and that uses the same pin so I can't do it that way anymore adn I dont want to use hte reset pin because if it is not shut down then it may corrupt things
[11:04] <Mjolinor> the red LED is jsut power though, it wont tell me anything
[11:05] <ShorTie> every minute, how is it being shut down so often ??
[11:05] <Mjolinor> it isnt being shut down so often
[11:05] <Mjolinor> the pulses are there because it was hte only way I could think of to do it
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[11:06] <ShorTie> well, when all other lights go off and just red (power) led is on is when it is shut down
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[11:07] <Mjolinor> but it may naturally be in the state where only the red led is on
[11:07] <Mjolinor> so I cant use that and anyway hakcing it with a lod of wires sin't ideal :)
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[11:08] <ShorTie> you could use a relay i guess
[11:08] <Mjolinor> how?
[11:09] <ShorTie> use a gpio pin to hold relay on
[11:09] <Mjolinor> it wont help
[11:09] <Mjolinor> i still have no way to know if it has shutdown or not
[11:09] <ShorTie> when shut down the gpio voltage would fall and close relay to say i'm off
[11:10] <Mjolinor> if I tell the pi to shutdown it will let go the relay at soem point probably before it has completed shutdown
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[11:11] <Mjolinor> I think that on shutdown all processes are terminated then a sync is called so the relay would let go before hte cache is cleared
[11:11] <ShorTie> time delay by like a minute before you try to reboot it
[11:12] <Mjolinor> :) that too has problems if a write is failing, any timed method of doing it is not certain
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[11:13] <ShorTie> so who is issuing the shutdown command ??
[11:13] <ShorTie> shutdown and power blurp are not the same
[11:14] <Mjolinor> a bash script
[11:14] <Mjolinor> it is monitoring pin 12 on P1 and if that goes low (no 5 v supply) the shutdown is initiated
[11:15] <ShorTie> pin 12 on P1 ??
[11:15] <Mjolinor> yup
[11:15] <ShorTie> don't know what you mean there
[11:16] <Mjolinor> I have a battery and a supply, the supply is connected to pin 12 so if the supply fails then pin 12 goes low
[11:16] <Mjolinor> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dknpower/sch_pic.png
[11:16] <Mjolinor> line that
[11:17] <Mjolinor> I think the best way is to make sure I use rev2 and use the extra I2C for hte RTC
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[11:17] <ShorTie> but how is it going to shutdown with no power ??
[11:17] <Mjolinor> it has a battery
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[11:21] <ShorTie> that pic is programable ??
[11:22] <Mjolinor> yes
[11:22] <Mjolinor> all pics are programmable :)
[11:22] <sfan5> I'm trying to use an usb stick for the root filesystem but the kernel complains that it can't open the root device with error -19
[11:23] <ShorTie> i don't see why you need pin 12 then
[11:23] <Mjolinor> ?
[11:23] <Mjolinor> how else does hte pi know to shutdown?
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[11:23] <Mjolinor> if I don't monitor the supply with the PI?
[11:23] <Mjolinor> you still need an SD to boot USB
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[11:24] <ShorTie> monitor the incoming volts with the pic, no need to bother with rPi
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[11:25] <Mjolinor> so how does the pic knowing there is no power help with shutting the Pi down?
[11:25] <ShorTie> incoming power wired to pic sensing power
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[11:25] <ShorTie> when no power have pic issue shutdown command
[11:25] <Mjolinor> yup, so the pic knows there is no power, then what?
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[11:26] <Mjolinor> how does the pic issue a shutdown to the Pi
[11:26] <ShorTie> pull a gpio pin high or low
[11:27] <Mjolinor> that si what i am doing
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[11:30] <ShorTie> a simple relay could replace that pic
[11:31] <Mjolinor> no it couldnt
[11:31] <Mjolinor> but even if it could a pic is cheaper than a relay anyway :)
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[11:34] <ShorTie> then use the pic to monitor input power
[11:34] <ShorTie> if input power on, turn rPi on
[11:34] <Mjolinor> that is what I am doing
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[11:34] <ShorTie> if off, turn rPi off
[11:35] <Mjolinor> that is exactly what it does
[11:35] <ShorTie> nop, not if your just pulsing it every minute or so
[11:35] <Mjolinor> I do that because I have no signal to say the Pi has shut down
[11:36] <Mjolinor> I could add another line to the Pic <>Pi that says the Pi has booted and stop the pulses but it is not needed
[11:36] <ShorTie> does the pic have 2 inputs ??
[11:36] <Mjolinor> the poulses do not do anythign to the Pi unless it si asleep
[11:36] <Mjolinor> the pic has 6 IO lines
[11:36] <Mjolinor> well 5IO and 1 input only
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[11:37] <ShorTie> so 1 to main power and another to rPi with timer
[11:37] <Mjolinor> a timer is no good
[11:37] <Mjolinor> shutdown time is undefined
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[11:38] <ShorTie> if you don't see the rPi input for > 1 minute i would think it is shut down
[11:39] <Mjolinor> I wouldn't
[11:39] <Mjolinor> it's not safe
[11:39] <ShorTie> it doesn't take a minute to shutdown
[11:39] <Mjolinor> it can take much longer than that
[11:39] <Mjolinor> and mine will almost always take longer than that as the whole reason for doing this is to save 35 3meg datbases that are stored in RAM
[11:39] <ShorTie> make ot 2
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[11:40] <ShorTie> then shutdown time is defined
[11:40] <Mjolinor> no
[11:40] <ShorTie> measure the time and increase by a minute to handle extra
[11:41] <Mjolinor> not safe
[11:41] <Mjolinor> no timed method is safe
[11:41] <Mjolinor> the only way to add RTC si to use the other I2C inputs I think
[11:42] <ShorTie> what would a RTC on the I2C do for ya ??
[11:42] <Mjolinor> i need to knwo the time
[11:43] <ShorTie> for ??
[11:43] <Mjolinor> logging the time of data input from the sensors
[11:43] <Mjolinor> CN4 on that schemtaic is a 433 MHz radio
[11:43] <ShorTie> rPi time isn't good enough ??
[11:43] <Mjolinor> that recieves data fomr up to 20 sensors
[11:44] <Mjolinor> there is no RTC on the Pi
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[11:44] <Mjolinor> so if it loses power it loses time
[11:44] <ShorTie> ya, i know
[11:44] <Mjolinor> so I need an RTC
[11:44] <ShorTie> but rPi/linux knows time
[11:45] <Mjolinor> only if it has it to start with and that needs an internet connection
[11:45] <Mjolinor> this may not have one
[11:45] <ShorTie> linux time not accurate enough ??
[11:45] <Mjolinor> linux tiem is plenty accurate but it isnt availabe
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[11:46] <ShorTie> if the rPi is on doesn't linux know time ??
[11:47] <Mjolinor> only if it has it to start with
[11:47] <flufmnstr> i knows how many seconds its been on
[11:47] <ShorTie> it may not be precise to the millisecond
[11:47] <Mjolinor> it doesnt ahve time
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[11:47] <flufmnstr> it needs an external refference such as NTP or a powered RTC
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[11:52] <ShorTie> where are you writing these 35 3 meg files too ??
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[11:53] <Mjolinor> probably a USB stick
[11:53] <Mjolinor> or disk
[11:53] <Mjolinor> currently a USB stick
[11:53] <ShorTie> ok, cause sdcard would not be safe
[11:54] <Mjolinor> :) that si why I am doing all this
[11:54] <Mjolinor> if SD cards were worht the goddam plastic they are made form most of it would not be necessary :)
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[11:55] <Mjolinor> currently all the SD does is tell it to boot fomr USB, nothing else is on there at all
[11:55] <Xark> Mjolinor: Indeed somewhat scary for a root filesystem...
[11:55] <Mjolinor> :)
[11:55] <ShorTie> but if this is being done in a script, then you do know when the writing is done
[11:56] <Mjolinor> yes you do
[11:56] <Mjolinor> the shutdown test is not done until the writing is finished
[11:56] <Xark> Mjolinor: That is what I did, yet still it got corrupted (somehow, no overclocking or anything)...
[11:56] <Mjolinor> SD are really unpredicatable
[11:56] <Xark> Mjolinor: Yeah, not fun.
[11:56] <Mjolinor> http://81.110.238.61/index.php
[11:56] * flufmnstr has never had an SD card problem
[11:57] <Mjolinor> that is running SD only and has been running for a few months with no problems at all
[11:57] * flufmnstr knocks on wood
[11:57] <Xark> Mjolinor: So far having good luck with this current SanDisk, but my trust is shattered..
[11:57] <Mjolinor> but I have had them trash almost straight away adn have had them trash unrecoverable, ie dead SD
[11:57] <ShorTie> so the last thing in the script would be to toggle shutdown pic input, from there a timer should be fine
[11:58] <ShorTie> cause disk activaty is done
[11:58] <Mjolinor> a timer is no good :)
[11:58] <Mjolinor> no
[11:58] * Xark is mostly using his Pi as a lowly SSH server...I just need it to be awake when I connect to make a tunnel.
[12:00] <ShorTie> from the last byte write of your data base, to the time it is shut down should be preaty stable i would think
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[12:00] <flufmnstr> only one way to find out
[12:00] <Mjolinor> there are a lot of things you are not considering
[12:00] <flufmnstr> grab a stop watch and start shutting her down
[12:01] <Mjolinor> li9ke what happens if hte pwoer dgoes off adn is only off for 1 second
[12:01] <ShorTie> now the amount of time it takes to write data base would not be, i agree there
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[12:01] <Mjolinor> the pic detect the power loss but the Pi doesn't
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[12:01] <ShorTie> the rPi would know
[12:01] <Mjolinor> how would it know?
[12:01] <ShorTie> well maybe not with batt
[12:02] <Mjolinor> it may not know because it didnt check the supply in that time because it was receiveing data
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[12:02] <Mjolinor> so the pic waits for the timer then pulses what?
[12:02] <ShorTie> so you need to have pic monitor how long power is off for
[12:02] <ShorTie> if off > xx seconds shutdown
[12:02] <Mjolinor> so your sayign I need ot make it 10 times more complicated to do the same thing in a differnt way?
[12:03] <Mjolinor> it is fine as it is
[12:03] <Mjolinor> pulsing the IO is not a problem if I dont use that IO for anythign else and if I only use rev2 boards I can use the alternate I2C bus
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[12:04] <ShorTie> i really don't think blantenly pulsing it is the proper way
[12:04] <ShorTie> should have more control then that
[12:04] <Mjolinor> why?
[12:04] <Mjolinor> most watchdog circuits behave in that way
[12:06] <Mjolinor> if I could detect a shutdown then I would change it but there does not seem to be a way to detect a shutdown
[12:07] <Mjolinor> I could send a byte out of the serial port once booted and have hte pic detect it adn stop the pulses I suppose but to me it doesn't give oyu any thing better
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[12:08] <ShorTie> why can't the pic detect voltage and only send it when needed ??
[12:09] <ShorTie> then you have control over it
[12:10] <ShorTie> how long do you think main power is going to be off ??
[12:11] <ShorTie> that many data bases i would think we want it to run like 24/7 ??
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[12:13] <ShorTie> my main power is never off more then 16 seconds, so a ups is far more then i would need .. :)~
[12:13] <mgottschlag> btw, about pic: anybody here can share any success story with free compilers on linux? I am considering again to switch to pic for a work project (from avr, because anything from atmel with i2c and can is quite expensive)
[12:13] <Mjolinor> the PIC cant only send when needed because hte PIC can't knwo when it is needed b3ecause there is no signal to say that shutdown has happened
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[12:14] <Mjolinor> PIC progrmaming is easy in linux
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[12:14] <Mjolinor> PIKlab is what you need
[12:14] <mgottschlag> I only heard horror stories about crippled gcc optimization etc, how much of that is true?
[12:14] <Mjolinor> ok, you mean C programming then not real PIC programming :)
[12:15] <mgottschlag> heh, what does one usually use instead?
[12:15] <Mjolinor> power may be off for days in this situation, the sensors are monitoring LV neetworks in substations
[12:15] <mgottschlag> I certainly won't use assembler :)
[12:15] <Mjolinor> so power cuts can be often adn for any length of time
[12:16] <Mjolinor> well I only use assembler
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[12:16] <mgottschlag> hm, okay
[12:16] <mgottschlag> that would certainly increase the development cost far too much :)
[12:18] <Mjolinor> swings and roundabouts , assembler only has one cost, C has ongoing cost while you spend years fixing it and a more expensive cost to start as you need bigger devices to fit iti in :)
[12:18] <Mjolinor> lets not go down this road please
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[12:20] <Mjolinor> I dont seem to be able to find a RTC 3.3volt chip, anyone know one. I don't want to ahve to build a level shifter if I can do it without
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[12:23] <ShorTie> plus, i think '5v ish' is not good enough to charge battery and not good enough to power rPi
[12:24] <Mjolinor> thats because its not defined
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[12:24] <Mjolinor> it depends on what hte diodes are and on what hte battery is and they are not defined yet
[12:24] <ShorTie> by the time you have enough to charge battery you are going to be over powering the rPi
[12:24] <Mjolinor> ?
[12:24] <Mjolinor> refresh the page
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[12:26] <ShorTie> well now you need way more the 5v ish
[12:26] <Mjolinor> yup
[12:26] <Mjolinor> so
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[12:28] <ShorTie> you can get alot more effecient power supply regulators off ebay cheaper then a 7805, or as cheap
[12:29] <Mjolinor> efficiency isn't a problem
[12:29] <ShorTie> how long is this gonna run off the battery ??
[12:29] <Mjolinor> long enough to shut down
[12:30] <ShorTie> needs to be longer then that
[12:30] <ShorTie> pic is still runnin
[12:30] <Mjolinor> doesnt matter if the pic sotps running
[12:31] <Mjolinor> i cna stick the pic to sleep when the 5 votl goes and it draws virtually 0 current
[12:31] <Mjolinor> the bigger current draw will probably be hte 7805
[12:33] <ShorTie> so your gonna kill the battery when power goes off for any amount of time ??
[12:33] <Mjolinor> probably
[12:35] <Mjolinor> its not really likely to do any damage to discharge them if I use a balanced pack of nicads
[12:36] <ShorTie> ya you will
[12:36] <ShorTie> batteries can not be killed
[12:37] <Mjolinor> I cna kill 'em
[12:37] <Mjolinor> they do go with a big bang soemtimes when you abuse them, much fun
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[12:37] <ShorTie> not and have them last any amount of time
[12:37] <Mjolinor> no, its pretty termminal when you explode them
[12:37] <Mjolinor> they do not work well even if you find all the bits
[12:38] <ShorTie> if you draw them down to 0 volts you kill them .
[12:38] <Mjolinor> nope
[12:38] <Mjolinor> you reduce their capacity adn working life but it iwll not kill a nicad or a nimh
[12:39] <Lejoni> They may switch polarity if you draw out all amps on it. But it is fixable
[12:39] <Mjolinor> but if oyu only trickle charge that is extremely unlikely to happen
[12:39] <Mjolinor> and if hte cells are mathced it is also unlikely to ahppen
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[12:43] <ShorTie> you draw them down to 0 volts, you have no idea what they are going to come back as
[12:43] <ShorTie> matched is meaningless
[12:43] <Mjolinor> ok, whatever
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[12:49] <ShorTie> you need to zap a battery back to life if discharged to 0 volts, trickle charge is not any good
[12:50] <Mortvert> ShorTie, and risk a explosion? :P
[12:51] <ShorTie> might want to read sumfin like this http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_restore_nickel_based_batteries
[12:51] <Mjolinor> you dont need to zap it unless it has grown crystals inside thourgh prolonged misuse
[12:51] <Mjolinor> going flat in that situationn will not result in the feather crystals growing
[12:52] <Mjolinor> and htey dont explode when you zap them provided you zap them witha controlled circuit
[12:52] <Mjolinor> i know how ot restore shorted nicads, dont need to read anything :)
[12:53] <ShorTie> yup, you know it all, so so sorry for trying
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[12:53] <Mjolinor> nbo problem
[12:53] <Mjolinor> now you post soem links to somethign you ahve done and Ill spend 2 hours telling you what you did wrong without giving you any solutions
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[12:54] <ShorTie> i'm just trying to give you idea's
[12:54] <ShorTie> it's up to you to come up with solutions
[12:55] <ShorTie> i have a 140kw hospital start generator for my backup power .. :)~
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> ShorTie: That's great, until you need to biuy fuel.
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:56] <ShorTie> ya, it's a cost of the farm, that i must deal with
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[13:00] <SpeedEvil> ShorTie: You actually need the 140kW - or a sizeable fraction thereof?
[13:01] <ShorTie> my max steady draw is around 225 amps
[13:02] <ShorTie> but in flux of restarting 30 1hp motors, i need some safty factor
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[13:17] <SpeedEvil> Oh - are you chicken farmer guy.
[13:18] * SpeedEvil loves chickens.
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[13:22] <ShorTie> yup
[13:22] <ShorTie> eat more chicken ,hehe.
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[13:24] <tobago> an nfs share is not shown with "showmount -e", after reboot. Although it is still in the userdata/sources.xml
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[13:25] <SpeedEvil> ShorTie: in principle, you can stagger the fan starts and reduce peak load. But if you already have hte generator...
[13:25] <SpeedEvil> ShorTie: VFD controls may also save you money, and reduce power use.
[13:26] <ShorTie> the controlleres in the houses do stager restarts
[13:26] <ShorTie> most of the time atleast
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> VFD = speed controllers
[13:27] <ShorTie> speed controls can/are used on a couple min vent fans
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[13:28] <ShorTie> but not needed on the tunnel fans
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[13:28] <ShorTie> those come on with each deg rise in temp
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[14:14] <ciaron> does anyone happen to know if the TL-WN725N v2 driver is now packaged with the latest raspbian or does it still require manual install?
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[14:16] <snoshers> Is there any good python ide's for the pi?
[14:17] <shiftplusone> What do you expect from an ide? just syntax highlighting?
[14:17] <snoshers> And code completion
[14:17] <snoshers> I tried ulipad but it was really slow
[14:18] <shiftplusone> Hm, then no idea. Not a python person myself.
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[14:19] <shiftplusone> tried 'eric' ?
[14:20] <shiftplusone> looks a bit heavy though
[14:21] <shiftplusone> there's also pycharm
[14:22] <shiftplusone> also this http://learn.adafruit.com/webide/overview
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[14:24] <freed0me> hi all
[14:25] <shiftplusone> hey
[14:25] <freed0me> i joined this IRC channel from my rpi with irssi
[14:25] <freed0me> i really like this cli irc client :)
[14:26] <freed0me> works really fast without a gui
[14:26] <shiftplusone> aye, it's a popular one.
[14:26] <freed0me> never used it before, but i'll stick with it
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[14:29] <freed0me> I am wondering, has anyone used the GPIO feature of the rpi? I want to create some sort of controller so that I can control the mpc software to play, stop, forward, back music. In a later stadium I want to connect a small led display so that I can see what radio station that I'm listening to
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[14:29] <shiftplusone> sure, lots of resources for it too
[14:30] <shiftplusone> what programming language do you prefer?
[14:30] <freed0me> Yes I saw some resources. But before I start I want to talk to someone who has some experience with GPIO
[14:30] <freed0me> I want to try python, did some scripting in the past
[14:30] <shiftplusone> Ooh, I am sorry, the correct answer was 'C'. =(
[14:31] <shiftplusone> Heh, but yeah, GPIO is very easy with python.
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[14:31] <shiftplusone> Adafruit have lots of tutorials for using GPIO in python too.
[14:31] <shiftplusone> Do you have some specific questions?
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[14:33] <freed0me> Im not that familiar with 'C', only read much about it. Maybe I will learn it if it is better with using GPIO
[14:33] <shiftplusone> Nuh, it doesn't make a difference. Python will work as well.
[14:33] <freed0me> Oke nice
[14:35] <freed0me> I want to buy a breadboard, but I have no idea how many ports that the breadboard needs, when I only want to have to following buttons: play, stop, forward, backward, volume up, volume down.
[14:35] <freed0me> Is there much difference in quality? Is there a specific brand that suits the rpi the best
[14:36] <shiftplusone> nope, they're all terrible, so you can get any cheapy on ebay and it will work as well as any other.
[14:37] <freed0me> oke thanks for the info.
[14:37] <shiftplusone> (and I recommend that you do)
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[14:37] <freed0me> Why are all breadboard terrible :P
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[14:39] <shiftplusone> They're great for simple things, but once you start building up a larger circuit or getting into high speed signals, it can get a little hairy. If you accidentally yank a wire out, it can be a pain. The physical construction also means that there is a lot of capacitance everywhere, so it can produce unexpected results in some cases.
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[14:41] <freed0me> Thanks for all the info shiftplusone. I'm going to take a look at the adafruit website and follow some youtube videos. But purchasing all the components made me a bit uncertain.
[14:41] <shiftplusone> np
[14:41] <freed0me> Ill report it here if my first GPIO project worked out for me :)
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[14:43] <shiftplusone> feel free to ask if you run into problems
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[14:44] <shiftplusone> https://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/Examples
[14:44] <freed0me> Thanks mate. I will. But at first I'll try to look things up on Google. Just to expand my knowledge
[14:45] <freed0me> I'' take a look at that link
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[15:42] <ciaron> hi, where do i get the kernal source for 3.6.11+?
[15:43] <shiftplusone> github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[15:43] <ciaron> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.6.y/Makefile is just 3.6.11?
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[15:43] <mpmc> Its the same thing.
[15:44] <ciaron> hmm, really? because i've just tried compiling a wifi dongler driver
[15:44] <ciaron> and it's giving me this:
[15:44] <ciaron> 8188eu: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
[15:44] <ciaron> which i thought suggested the kernel source was wrong
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[15:47] <ciaron> or is it something else?
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[15:48] <mpmc> ciaron: All I can see after googling that error is this http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=7671
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[15:50] <ciaron> yeah that's the post that lead me onto looking at the kernal source version
[15:51] <ciaron> (i've already tried the other version of Module.symvers suggested in that post)
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[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> Can anyone recommend a suitable shift register I can wire up to the GPIO from maplins?
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[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> Closest thing I could find was a dual flip-flop
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[16:43] <chris_99> maplin hardly seem to have any components these days
[16:43] <chris_99> you may be better off looking @ CPC/Farnell
[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> They never did anyway
[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, it was to have something to mess with this afternoon
[16:43] <chris_99> ah
[16:44] <mgottschlag> Sonny_Jim: 4012 shift register
[16:44] <mgottschlag> *4021
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> I'll check to see if they carry it
[16:45] <mgottschlag> (I just compared the 4xxx ic list with maplins website
[16:45] <mgottschlag> )
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[16:49] <Sonny_Jim> any joy?
[16:49] <Sonny_Jim> Can't seem to find it
[16:49] <Sonny_Jim> They have a 74hc4060N binary counter which might do
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[17:24] <Phosie> O/
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[17:40] <ciaron> once i've installed a driver to /lib/modules and done a depmod -a, how do i then "uninstall" it?
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[17:42] <maxinux> ciaron: rm it and depmod again
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[17:42] <ciaron> ta
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[17:48] <ciaron> strange, removed a non-working driver and re-installed a previously working one and it doesn't work
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[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> Managed to pick up a 4021 from maplins, whoever suggested that to me, thanks
[18:09] <krawek> hello, I'm having a hard time configuring the surround sound. can someone point me in the right direction? I'm using arch linux and have tried alsa with/out pulseaudio without luck
[18:09] <Sonny_Jim> got something to keep me busy for the rest of the afternoon
[18:09] <Phosie> Gotta love having something to do
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[18:10] <Phosie> I'm thinking about work instead :(
[18:10] <Sonny_Jim> Still need to email the guy who sells the RetroPie GPIO adapters and tell him that he's got the pinouts on the schems back to frount
[18:10] <Sonny_Jim> Pin 1 = pin 26, pin 26 - pin 1 etc
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[18:12] <Phosie> Still need to get wifi on my pi
[18:13] <Sonny_Jim> I always end up using wpa_gui to do it
[18:14] <Phosie> I use wifi-menu on arch
[18:14] <Phosie> But it doesn't auto connect on boot
[18:15] <shiftplusone> Phosie, you need to enable the service.
[18:15] <Phosie> Is that it?
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[18:16] <Phosie> I feel silly now
[18:16] <shiftplusone> yeah, after you've used wifi-menu to set it up. I don't remember the service name but it will look something like something@wlan0 IIRC
[18:17] <shiftplusone> maybe netctl@wlan0
[18:17] <Phosie> I'll look it up, thanks!
[18:17] <shiftplusone> np
[18:19] <Phosie> netctl enable profile
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[18:20] <Phosie> Easy peasy
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[18:21] <shiftplusone> excellent
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[18:44] <Sonny_Jim> Can anyone recommend a circuit sim that isn't a massive CPU hog? I'm using Atanua atm but it doesn't support 4021
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[18:45] <shiftplusone> pretty sure circuit sim is inherently a cpu intensive task.
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[18:45] <RavenII> is paste bin still the preferred place to put stuff?
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[18:45] <Sonny_Jim> shiftplusone: Not really, I don't need analog simulation
[18:45] <Sonny_Jim> digital sim should be fairly nippy
[18:46] <shiftplusone> hm, no idea then
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[18:46] <Sonny_Jim> RavenII: sure
[18:47] <shiftplusone> RavenII, the exact place doesn't matter, as long as you don't flood it here.
[18:47] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, tried logisim?
[18:47] <RavenII> In that case... http://pastebin.com/sCPfL5DB
[18:47] <RavenII> anyone know what this is about?
[18:48] <Sonny_Jim> I suppose here would be a good start:
[18:48] <Sonny_Jim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_electronics_circuit_simulators
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[18:49] <mgottschlag> RavenII: sounds like version mismatch between headers/source to me
[18:49] <mgottschlag> what are you compiling?
[18:49] <Sonny_Jim> yeah, something wrong with the headers
[18:49] <RavenII> qt5
[18:50] <Sonny_Jim> eww
[18:50] <Sonny_Jim> Cross compiling?
[18:50] <RavenII> Negative
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[18:50] <RavenII> that's the weird part, I've followed the same tutorial before...and it went fine, I'm doing it again and it doesn't go.
[18:51] <RavenII> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Native_Build_of_Qt5_on_a_Raspberry_Pi
[18:51] <RavenII> thats the one i followed
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[19:09] <Phosie> Yay! Got a wi-pi
[19:11] <Sonny_Jim> cool
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[19:15] <Phosie> Just need to give it a static ip now
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[19:17] <shiftplusone> don't forget to disable dhcpcd afterwards
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[19:19] <Phosie> I don't know how to assign it a static ip D:
[19:19] <shiftplusone> surely you have discovered the arch wiki by now
[19:19] <PhotoJim> google. /etc/network/interfaces is the key file.
[19:19] <PhotoJim> oh, Arch. that's different.
[19:19] <PhotoJim> that file is for Raspbian.
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[19:19] <Phosie> Got it :-)
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[19:19] <shiftplusone> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_Configuration#Static_IP_address
[19:20] <PhotoJim> Or configure your router to always give the same IP by DHCP. that works too.
[19:20] <Phosie> Wiki pages didn't help me, found a raspberry pi specific guide
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[19:21] <shiftplusone> Someone was in here the other day doing the same thing and managed to use the wiki instructions just fine O_o
[19:21] <shiftplusone> ah well
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[19:24] <RavenII> So what does one do about the header/source mismatch?
[19:25] <RavenII> and what could have caused it? Could they have updated qt5 from the first time I compiled it (a week or so ago) til now?
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[19:27] <ShorTie> did you 'make distclean' ??
[19:29] <ShorTie> and then re-run the configure RavenII
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[19:33] <RavenII> ShorTie, nope, I didn't
[19:33] <RavenII> I'll try that now
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[19:35] <Phosie> Hmm still having issues, i feel stupid
[19:35] <RavenII> ShorTie, should I also do a make clean?
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[19:49] <Phosie> Ugh i give up
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[19:50] <shiftplusone> Phosie, might help to describe what you've done and what the problem is.
[19:51] <Sonny_Jim> RavenII: You might want to ask in the qt channel
[19:52] <Phosie> It doesnt matter, im having a break from it
[19:53] <Phosie> Thanks anyway
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[19:53] <Phosie> Working now:-)
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[19:54] <Phosie> Had to remove the /24 from my ip
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[19:57] <ant_thomas> Is it possible to use raspistill whilst raspivid is running? sure I read somewhere it might be possible to capture a still whilst recording video, or am I imagining things?
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[20:02] <XpineX> ant_thomas: I just tried running raspistill while raspivid was running and it failed "Failed to create camera component"
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[20:17] <sliddjur> How can I upgrade my 256mb version of raspberry to 512mb??? my friend told me this works http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ ? how do I open in terminal?
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[20:17] <chris_99> buy the other Rpi
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[20:17] <RavenII> sliddjur, there's no wya
[20:17] <RavenII> way&
[20:17] <RavenII> *
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[20:18] <ShorTie> or at least a hot air station
[20:18] <sliddjur> RavenII: it worked on pc
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[20:18] <ShorTie> did that help RavenII ??
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[20:18] <sliddjur> it succeded
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[20:19] <ant_thomas> wget http://www.downloadmoreram.com/download.html should do the job
[20:19] <ant_thomas> XpineX: Yeah, tried the same, no success unfortunately
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[20:21] <RavenII> ShorTie, I'm going to ./configure again right now
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[20:25] <sliddjur> ant_thomas: it worked for me. i got the 1gb pack for my raspberry now
[20:25] <shiftplusone> sliddjur, excellent
[20:26] <sliddjur> you need to use lynx though
[20:26] <shiftplusone> 'course
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[20:29] <RavenII> how...the hell can software make hardware?
[20:29] <RavenII> heck, I meant heck
[20:29] <Nik05> controlling other hardware to make new hardware
[20:29] <RavenII> Nik05, -.-
[20:29] <shiftplusone> O_o... 'hell' is fine.
[20:30] <RavenII> oh...
[20:30] <sney> haha
[20:30] <Nik05> what RavenII ?
[20:30] <sney> swearing rule stockholm syndrome! gosh darn gee willy fruitbasket I will be good.
[20:32] <Nik05> swearing?
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[20:33] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:33] <Nik05> ? :S
[20:33] <IT_Sean> I'm just kidding. :p
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[20:36] <shiftplusone> sliddjur, btw, will you be trolling here often or are you just really bored?
[20:36] <sliddjur> just bored
[20:37] <shiftplusone> ah, righto.
[20:37] <sliddjur> :E
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[20:37] <shiftplusone> won't be needing that then
[20:37] <sliddjur> hehehe
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[21:21] <j4jackj> Does Haiku work on RPi yet? :P
[21:21] <sney> have you ported it yet?
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[23:02] <Caztiel> hi
[23:02] <Caztiel> what ftp server is installed on the Raspian distribution?
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[23:04] <PhotoJim> I'm not sure one is installed by default
[23:04] <PhotoJim> pick whichever you one you want that's in a standard Debianesque distribution
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[23:04] <Caztiel> okay
[23:05] <ShorTie> apt-cache search ftp , will tell you what is availible
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[23:09] <prappl93> I have a question. I had an SD card that was formatted for Raspbian, but I'd like to now put Arch on that card. Is there a guide out there for it? I've been pulling my hair looking for one but haven't had any success.
[23:09] <Caztiel> thanks, it's yafc
[23:10] <Caztiel> prappl93: search for raspberry beginners guide. it tells you how to format your SD card
[23:10] <prappl93> I need to over-write an existing partitioning scheme that was on the card.
[23:11] <Caztiel> the beginners guide explains it pretty well how you over-write an existing partitioning scheme ;)
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[23:12] <PhotoJim> prappl93: maybe you want to take an image of the existing card state in case Arch doesn't work out for you, but no reason you can't reuse it.
[23:14] <ShorTie> prappl93, you can just write the new image over it
[23:14] <ShorTie> it will be fine
[23:15] <prappl93> That didn't quite work for me
[23:15] <ShorTie> what did you use to write it ??
[23:16] <prappl93> dd
[23:16] <PhotoJim> full syntax?
[23:16] <PhotoJim> i.e. the full command you used
[23:16] <ShorTie> got access to windows ??
[23:17] <prappl93> dd if=archlinux-2013-07-22.img of=/dev/mmblck0
[23:17] <PhotoJim> looks alright
[23:17] <prappl93> I have a Windows computer, but it has no SD card.
[23:17] <prappl93> Let me pull up what it exits on
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[23:18] <ShorTie> oh, was gonna say just use Win32DiskImager
[23:18] <prappl93> It spits out "dd: writing to '/dev/mmblck0': No space left on device
[23:18] <prappl93> "
[23:18] <prappl93> Then it says it only copied 963 MB
[23:18] <prappl93> Is that correct for Arch?
[23:19] <ShorTie> is this in the rPi or some where else ??
[23:19] <prappl93> I'm on a laptop running Slackware 14.0 x64
[23:19] <PhotoJim> how big is the card?
[23:19] <prappl93> 32GB
[23:19] <PhotoJim> possible it's a fake card?
[23:19] <prappl93> No.
[23:19] <shiftplusone> fake card or bad reader
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[23:19] <prappl93> I've used it successfully before.
[23:20] <PhotoJim> yeah, it might be toast now.
[23:20] <shiftplusone> or pebkac somehow
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[23:20] <PhotoJim> not sure if SD cards have spare blocks in case of bad blocks, but might be there aren't enough spare blocks to make up for defective blocks on the card.
[23:23] <PhotoJim> you could try a new card reader. worth a try.
[23:23] <prappl93> Well, my card reader is integrated to my laptop
[23:23] <PhotoJim> could also, theoretically, be a problem reading the source file.
[23:23] <prappl93> So I'd imagine it probably is good and screwed up
[23:23] <PhotoJim> prappl93: you don't own an accessory USB card reader?
[23:23] <ShorTie> or try a windows boot cd like hiern's on the laptop
[23:24] <PhotoJim> try copying the original source file to null
[23:24] <PhotoJim> dd if=./sourcefile of=/dev/null
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[23:24] <PhotoJim> see if it completes
[23:25] <prappl93> Yeah, it did complete
[23:25] <PhotoJim> you pasted an error above that indicated it errored out a little before it had written a gig
[23:25] <PhotoJim> oh just now it did you mean?
[23:25] <PhotoJim> okay.
[23:25] <prappl93> To /dev/null it did
[23:25] <PhotoJim> gotcha
[23:25] <PhotoJim> so that's a good sign
[23:25] <prappl93> It completed at 2.0 GB
[23:25] <PhotoJim> your card is bad or your reader is bad
[23:25] <prappl93> I'm betting on the reader.
[23:25] <PhotoJim> try a new card, or a different reader if you can
[23:26] <prappl93> Because this laptop is kinda crap anyway
[23:26] <PhotoJim> could be as simple as dirty contacts on the card
[23:26] <PhotoJim> important to keep fingers off the contacts
[23:27] <PhotoJim> and if you don't have one, pick up a card reader for future
[23:27] <PhotoJim> get a USB 3.0 one, they're cheap and they'll be fast on USB 3.0 ports (and work fine on 2.0)
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[23:29] <prappl93> Thanks for the help
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[23:30] <ShorTie> newegg has 8 gig cards with a rear for like 8 bucks
[23:32] <PhotoJim> he's gone alas
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[23:39] <prappl93> I think it's for sure the writer... gonna have to have the goondicks at my school fix my computer now.
[23:39] <prappl93> Because I
[23:40] <prappl93> I'm using a secondary computer and it's writing successfully.
[23:41] <prappl93> I'm going to invest in a secondary external card reader/writer too now
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