#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-09-09

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:08] <nickl1> hello, how can i configure the network without attaching a monitor/keyboard?
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[0:08] <shiftplusone> edit the files from another computer or use serial
[0:09] <nickl1> shiftplusone: after i burn the image to the SDCARD can i mount it on windows and edit files?
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[0:09] <linuxstb> Are you talking about wireless or wired? Is this Raspbian?
[0:09] <shiftplusone> there is a way to do it from windows, but I'd rather use a live usb of ubuntu or something
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[0:10] <nickl1> shiftplusone: how can i?
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[0:10] <nickl1> shiftplusone: i don't have the option to run linux.
[0:10] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[0:11] <shiftplusone> D= there's always the option to run linux! >.> you'd have to use something like ext2fsd to do it from windows.
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[0:56] <smrtz> Hey, Where do you guys recommend buying a RP in the US?
[0:57] <beers> I picked up mine from Newark, seemed to ship out pretty quickly.
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[0:57] <beers> If you are near a Micro Center they even sell them in the stores at a slight markup
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[0:58] <smrtz> Thanks!
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[0:58] <shiftplusone> yup, definitely newark
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[0:59] <smrtz> Input voltage is 5.0 right?
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[1:01] <shiftplusone> aye
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[1:01] <shiftplusone> (not for GPIO signals though, only to power the pi)
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[1:02] <smrtz> GPIO?
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[1:03] <shiftplusone> Ah, not important then.
[1:03] <shiftplusone> They are pins you can hook up arbitrary stuff to. An LCD for example, or whatever else you might want.
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[1:03] <smrtz> Ahh, Ok.
[1:03] <smrtz> What about the amp draw?
[1:04] <smrtz> Well, nevermind. I found it.
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[1:04] <shiftplusone> The pi itself can't draw more than about 800mA. Typically it's around 350mA + whatever your usb devices draw.
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[1:09] <beers> Anywhere that is better than others for misc project parts? I've used mouser a bit but am not hugely familiar with places for ordering components
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[1:28] <shiftplusone> beers, ebay and aliexpress for me
[1:29] <beers> shiftplusone: Thanks
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[1:30] <shiftplusone> but you may also want to look at element14/farnell/newark, digikey and sparkfun, but they are generally a lot of expensive.
[1:30] <shiftplusone> and adafruit
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[1:34] <mgottschlag> local electronics shop ftw :)
[1:34] <phantomcircuit> any suggestions for a usb wall wart?
[1:35] <shiftplusone> something that comes with a samsung, htc or apple phones.
[1:35] <mgottschlag> (only if it needs to be fast though)
[1:35] <shiftplusone> (not a cheap clone)
[1:36] <shiftplusone> *cheap fake, rather
[1:36] <phantomcircuit> shiftplusone, sadly im currently using my samsung charger
[1:36] <phantomcircuit> for my phone
[1:36] <phantomcircuit> :)
[1:36] <phantomcircuit> those are like $20 though
[1:36] <phantomcircuit> that seems a bit much
[1:36] <phantomcircuit> no?
[1:36] <shiftplusone> depends how lucky you get with a cheapy
[1:37] <shiftplusone> if it doesn't burn your house down, connect your device directly to mains and actually provides 5v, then that's good.
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[1:38] <phantomcircuit> shiftplusone, heh so it's basically gambling with cheaper ones
[1:38] <shiftplusone> yup
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[2:07] <vlt> Hello. Can anyone tell me which ffmpeg options I should use when I encode a live stream to h264 for the Pi ...
[2:07] <vlt> ... for the smallest possible latency?
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[2:10] <RavenII> ShorTie, failed again.
[2:10] <RavenII> Compiling Qt5 that is.
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[2:14] <ShorTie> same error or diff ??
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[2:16] <RavenII> same error
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[2:21] <ShorTie> forget what that was, lol.
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[2:22] <RavenII> http://pastebin.com/sCPfL5DB
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[2:24] <ShorTie> are the sources up to date ??
[2:24] <ShorTie> like latest git pull
[2:24] <RavenII> Yeah, I mean...I'm just using the links given in....http://qt-project.org/wiki/Native_Build_of_Qt5_on_a_Raspberry_Pi
[2:25] <RavenII> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Native_Build_of_Qt5_on_a_Raspberry_Pi
[2:26] <ShorTie> what all have you done since it last worked ??
[2:26] <ShorTie> like apt-get update/upgrade
[2:26] <RavenII> Nothing. Well, I dd'd...oh, yeah.
[2:26] <RavenII> crap
[2:26] <RavenII> I see.
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[2:29] <RavenII> You think that could be it?
[2:31] <ShorTie> could
[2:32] <RavenII> Hmm, I'll experiment.
[2:32] <RavenII> Thanks.
[2:32] <phantomcircuit> shiftplusone, found an apple one
[2:32] <phantomcircuit> hiding in a drawer
[2:33] <ShorTie> how does your ./config output match to there's
[2:33] <shiftplusone> phantomcircuit, is it one of those 'cube' american ones?
[2:33] <RavenII> ShorTie, never bothered to check...
[2:33] <RavenII> I'll check that now
[2:33] <phantomcircuit> shiftplusone, yeah
[2:33] <shiftplusone> phantomcircuit, ipad or iphone? =/
[2:33] <phantomcircuit> iphone
[2:34] <shiftplusone> Might not work =(
[2:34] <phantomcircuit> usb hdd has external power so im not thinking it'll be such a big problem
[2:34] <phantomcircuit> it's just that the one im using now is only rated to 850 mA
[2:34] <shiftplusone> Give it a go, but I think I remember IT_Sean saying that the type you have doesn't work for whatever reason.
[2:35] <phantomcircuit> ha found an energizer 2.1 A one
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[2:36] <shiftplusone> should be more than good enough then
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[2:38] <RavenII> ShorTie, identical output...well, the part that he posted anyhow
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[2:40] <ShorTie> did you look thru http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=43087&p=406431
[2:40] <ShorTie> they getting same error says google
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[2:43] <Sonny_jim> RavenII: have you asked in the qt channel?
[2:43] <ShorTie> you did the whole ./configure line right ??
[2:45] <ShorTie> what, 38 hours to compile
[2:45] <ShorTie> crazy
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[2:46] <lenswipe> hey guys
[2:46] <lenswipe> im taking my raspberry pi into a school where my mum works to show some kids (they're about 11-12)
[2:46] <shiftplusone> hey guy
[2:46] <lenswipe> I want to show them why raspberry pis are awesome but I don't have any ideas
[2:46] <lenswipe> I was hoping you guys could suggest something
[2:46] <shiftplusone> excellent =D
[2:47] <lenswipe> I would demonstrate what I use it for - but I use it for a print server, which I don't imagine is particularly mind blowing for your average 12 year old
[2:47] <shiftplusone> How long do you have?
[2:47] <lenswipe> shiftplusone, until thursday
[2:47] <lenswipe> I don't want to be ordering peripherals if I can avoid it either
[2:47] <shiftplusone> As in, how long will you have to demo it and let them poke around?
[2:47] <lenswipe> shiftplusone, oh - no idea
[2:48] <lenswipe> shiftplusone, I was talking to the teacher when I was in last week(I go in and teach simple programming to them) and showed her my pi and she wanted me to do something with them with it
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[2:48] <GSM1800> Pff, the SD card connector is really unreliable
[2:49] <GSM1800> Don't even know what breaks, the connect looks physically fine, but some pin does not connect
[2:49] <GSM1800> replacing the connector always fixes the Pi
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[2:50] <Sonny_jim> lenswipe: Show them how to use ngrep and why they should always be using https
[2:50] <lenswipe> shiftplusone, i was thinking of running node on it and getting it to display a HTML5 canvas and then use my phone to control a ball or something on the canvas using the HTML5 accelerometer API
[2:50] <shiftplusone> If it's a situation where they will be able to get hands on experience with it, I'd thrown on some python games and Pi3D demos let them play around and then show them the source and let them modify it to do stuff or code something simple from scratch.
[2:50] <lenswipe> Sonny_jim, I'm sure they will love that
[2:50] <lenswipe> shiftplusone, bear in mind that they have never /WRITTEN/ code before
[2:50] <lenswipe> they're doing programming with Scratch from MIT (not my idea)
[2:50] <lenswipe> bleh
[2:50] <Sonny_jim> helloworld isn't exactly exciting either
[2:51] <Sonny_jim> not with xbox 360/ps3 blah
[2:52] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I assumed so, but if you show the source code for something like snake, they don't have to understand it to change strings or colours. Just changing 'Score:' to "Johnny is awesome" or changing the snake graphics may be enough to excite some 11 year olds >.>
[2:53] <shiftplusone> at least more so than you know... a print server =P
[2:53] <ShorTie> lenswipe, gordonDrogon just did a 2 week thing, he might be able to help
[2:53] <shiftplusone> ah good idea. He has a write up about it on his blog
[2:53] <ShorTie> yup
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[2:59] <lenswipe> shiftplusone, a SAMBA print server
[2:59] <lenswipe> shiftplusone, I was gonna add LDAP at one point but realised there was no point for a home network
[2:59] <lenswipe> currently it serves up 2 print queues though :)
[3:00] <shiftplusone> Yeah, awesome but might not be a good sales pitch for 11 year olds =D
[3:00] <lenswipe> indeed not
[3:00] <lenswipe> I was trying to get automated driver delivery working at one point
[3:01] <lenswipe> ie: point and print
[3:01] <lenswipe> never got it working though
[3:01] <lenswipe> and broke one of the print queues in the process :(
[3:01] <lenswipe> never got that fixed :/
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[3:25] <Sonny_Jim> Wierd
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[3:25] <Sonny_Jim> advancemess works a lot better under X11 than console
[3:25] <Sonny_Jim> Normally it's the other way around....
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[3:27] <lenswipe> Sonny_Jim, ?
[3:27] <lenswipe> oh
[3:27] <Sonny_Jim> It's a multisystem emulator
[3:28] <Sonny_Jim> Currently using it for BBC B
[3:28] <Sonny_Jim> Because BeebEM sucks hard
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[4:26] <Sonny_Jim> How can I save the settings from alsamixer
[4:26] <Sonny_Jim> Fed up of my pi being so quiet all the time
[4:27] <flufmnstr> so, is puleaudio still the only way to eliminate the popping issue when playing and stopping audio with mpd?
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[4:34] <Sonny_Jim> flufmnstr: Sounds like it needs a bigger buffer
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[6:37] <austinbv> what is the ui used to make tools like the raspi-config?
[6:38] <austinbv> ncurses?
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[7:06] <shiftplusone> indirectly
[7:06] <shiftplusone> ncurses is the library behind it all, but raspi-config is just a bash script and used 'dialog' which in turn uses ncurses
[7:07] <shiftplusone> Ah, he left... all those two seconds worth of effort to explain it for nothing.
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[7:48] <unpopsicle> shiftplusone: I found it informative
[7:49] <Sonny_Jim> dialog is actually pretty handy
[7:49] <Sonny_Jim> Good for prettyfiying bash scripts for others to use
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[9:35] <plum> hi all
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[9:39] <plum> i'm having a frustrating issue with my raspberry pi... it's on a new install i did today of the latest raspbian, and the pi will randomly cease wireless functions (happens every time i ssh after a little bit, so far)
[9:39] <plum> i've gotten to the point where i just don't know what to do, and it's becoming more of a frustration tool than a learning tool for me. since it's random and there's no direction i can see to begin troubleshooting...
[9:40] <plum> is there anything i can do to fix it?
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[9:45] <unpopsicle> plum: possibly a power thing, tried sticking a powered hub inbetween?
[9:45] <plum> i can try that, yes
[9:45] <plum> i'll let you know how it goes... the power is connected directly to an outlet, though
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[10:05] <plum> that might be the case, unpopsicle, as i'm currently updating it now and was not able to previously
[10:05] <plum> perhaps my cable needs to be a higher quality one in order to provide a proper charge?
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[10:16] <unpopsicle> plum: the raspberry pi is only a little thing, sometimes it can't share all the power it uses from its own power supply with all the usb ports
[10:17] <plum> so is a hub a necessity for it to function then? or was i possibly using the wrong cable to power the microusb cable?
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[10:17] <tig|> plum: I have had issues with low grade USB cables when charging (or not) my phone before so they are out there sadly :(
[10:18] <murlock> hi, I've installed mame4all on my rpi revB with 900MHz overclocked . I've tested Bubble Bobble and single player game run perfectly but with two players, frames are dropped making game unplayable. Did you tested two players game with mame4all ?
[10:18] <murlock> PS: I'm using wiimote as input
[10:18] <plum> this one does seem to fall under that category, tig|
[10:18] <unpopsicle> plum: your wifi dongle might just be too hungry for the pi to handle without its own power supply
[10:19] <tig|> your power supply should be at bare minimum 700mah but 1A is better (at 700 you may find that usb devices pull to much power and crash it)
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[10:19] <tig|> lack of power does seem to be one of the things that most people run up against when starting out
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[10:20] <hyperair> that's because a hell lot of power supplies can't supply the amount of power they claim to supply.
[10:20] <unpopsicle> hyperair: especially chinese brands
[10:20] <hyperair> ah i didn't know that
[10:20] <unpopsicle> somtimes they just downright lie
[10:20] <hyperair> yeah
[10:20] <hyperair> i've got one from emeraon network power here
[10:20] <plum> so, does that mean that the cable is not proper to handle it? or would the 1A need to be in the outlet prongs part?
[10:21] <hyperair> made in china, claims to do 1A
[10:21] <hyperair> only does 300mA
[10:21] <tig|> plum: what does the PSU say it is? if 1A then I would try another cable if possible first
[10:21] <hyperair> i use that to charge my phone by combining it with another USB port (miniUSB B Y-cable (those external hard disk ones)), with a mini->micro USB adapter
[10:21] <unpopsicle> plum: I hear this one works well for a pi, http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003MTTJOY/
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[10:22] <tig|> plum: if you have a smart phone the cable that came with that is usually a decent one to test with
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[10:22] <plum> brb, gonna check
[10:23] <unpopsicle> tig|: or a kindle
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[10:23] <tig|> unpopsicle: ooo yes, they are nice psus too :)
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[10:39] <plum> it seems like a different cable is yielding success
[10:39] <plum> thanks very much for help on the issue guys :)
[10:40] <tig|> plum: anytime, it is what we are here for :)
[10:40] <plum> best of wishes, then
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[10:40] <plum> i'll likely pop in another time to bug you with more questions :P
[10:40] <plum> take care
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[10:54] <SgtBurned> Hello?
[10:54] <unpopsicle> hello
[10:55] <Sonny_Jim> I'm living in a world of NPN transistors, where I need a PNP one
[10:56] <SgtBurned> aaaannnd Brain is now melted.
[10:58] <Sonny_Jim> You're telling me
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[11:01] <tig|> Sonny_Jim: just use a marker pen :)
[11:02] <SgtBurned> Anyone do any LCD work?
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[11:04] <SgtBurned> I have strange characters appearing on my LCD screen
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[11:09] <cumana> SgtBurned, I've LCD with working backlight, and that's all I've been able to achieve :>
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[11:12] <SgtBurned> Well, I've managed to get characters to display
[11:13] <SgtBurned> but second and third line start with strange characters
[11:13] <SgtBurned> [o] for the 2nd line
[11:13] <SgtBurned> and <3 for the 3rd
[11:13] <SgtBurned> 2nd line is initiated with a 0x90
[11:13] <SgtBurned> 3rd is init with 0x88
[11:13] <SgtBurned> 4th line is perfectly fine with 0x98...
[11:13] <mgottschlag> what display model?
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[11:14] <j4jackj> MONDEGREEN
[11:14] <unpopsicle> SgtBurned: I've been thinking of purchasing one of these http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008K7G88S
[11:15] <SgtBurned> Display model... ermm
[11:15] <SgtBurned> home made / company made? xD
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[11:16] <SgtBurned> 16x4
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[11:19] <mgottschlag> SgtBurned: well, but you have to be working with some datasheet and controller model, right?
[11:19] <mgottschlag> also, do these characters work in other lines?
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[11:23] <SgtBurned_> Sorry, Blue Screened
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[11:24] <mgottschlag> <mgottschlag> SgtBurned: well, but you have to be working with some datasheet and controller model, right?
[11:24] <mgottschlag> <mgottschlag> also, do these characters work in other lines?
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[11:26] <SgtBurned_> Every line works fine, It's just that it appends [o] onto the second line
[11:26] <SgtBurned_> and then <3 onto the 3rd line
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[11:26] <SgtBurned_> if I input "2This is a new line"
[11:26] <unpopsicle> SgtBurned_: maybe its sentient and trying to express its love
[11:26] <tig|> lol
[11:26] <SgtBurned_> I wish.
[11:26] <SgtBurned_> "/3This is a new line"
[11:26] <SgtBurned_> It would output as
[11:27] <SgtBurned_> "<3This is a new line"
[11:27] <Sonny_Jim> \n
[11:27] <tig|> if it starts printing "I can't do that Dave" then run :)
[11:28] <unpopsicle> tig|: thats selfish, the screen could kill others, he should try to destroy it
[11:28] <tig|> unpopsicle: good point
[11:28] <SgtBurned_> ....
[11:28] <SgtBurned_> Risk my life against an LCD Screen?!
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[11:28] <SgtBurned_> Are you crazy, I't suicidal!
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[11:29] <tig|> mind you if it did turn sentient and had a sense of humour it would print up "ceci n'est pas une |"
[11:29] <unpopsicle> how did the screen learn french?
[11:29] <SgtBurned_> ...
[11:30] <SgtBurned_> I think thats the least of our worries.
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[11:32] <tig|> SgtBurned_: you mean it's terrible sense of humour is more worrying?
[11:32] <SgtBurned_> Yeah!
[11:32] <tig|> \o/
[11:33] <SgtBurned_> Could it be that the code for \2 or \3 is ascii or the index for those 2 characters?
[11:34] <SgtBurned_> because in the library it goes like if char=='\2': make a new line.
[11:35] <SgtBurned_> Home alone in the office.
[11:35] <SgtBurned_> LCD prints "I'm coming for you!"
[11:35] <SgtBurned_> *Office lights turn off"
[11:36] <unpopsicle> oh dear
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[11:36] <SgtBurned_> *Boss appears behind me with a print out of the IRC chat*
[11:36] <SgtBurned_> ....
[11:36] <SgtBurned_> xD
[11:37] <mgottschlag> SgtBurned_: then maybe the start of the lines is not correct in your code
[11:38] <mgottschlag> if it just prepends an additional character to your lines
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[11:39] <SgtBurned_> To print out lines its just a simple lcd.message("String here")
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[11:39] <SgtBurned_> then that function in the library goes to a loop which loops through those characters in the string, checks for \2 or \3 and then writes 4 bits to the address of the LCD which changes lines
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[11:40] <SgtBurned_> FFS
[11:41] <SgtBurned_> Don't know whether to be annoyed or scared.
[11:41] <SgtBurned_> SMILEY FACE NOW
[11:41] <SgtBurned_> [O] :D
[11:41] <unpopsicle> they can smell fear
[11:42] <SgtBurned_> Well I'm emitting it more than ever now!
[11:42] <SgtBurned_> Damn smiley face looks like a murderer
[11:47] <tig|> HEEEEERE'S JOHNNY!
[11:48] <tig|> |< |< |<
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[11:52] <SgtBurned_> Please don't im going to cry xD
[11:56] <SgtBurned_> fixed...
[11:56] <SgtBurned_> Such a stupid and simple problem overlooked.
[11:59] <unpopsicle> SgtBurned_: please share
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[12:01] <Sonny_Jim> I dunno
[12:03] <SgtBurned_> in the library instead of putting if char == "\2": ChangeBit elif chat == "\3": etc etc
[12:03] <SgtBurned_> I forgot to put elif and put 4 if's
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[12:04] <SgtBurned_> thus, instead of a new line it put a new line + an ascii code for a symbol such as a smiley face :)
[12:05] <unpopsicle> SgtBurned_: so you killed it?
[12:05] <SgtBurned_> Yes, No more crappy french LCD screen with terrible humour
[12:07] <SgtBurned_> World is safe now
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[12:08] <kerx> anyone know why raspberry pi website is down?
[12:12] <SgtBurned_> Oh no...
[12:12] <SgtBurned_> The Angry French LCD is attacking the source!
[12:13] <ShorTie> it just has the munches
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[12:17] <SgtBurned> LCD Chewed into the power supply in order to exact revenge
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[12:56] <SgtBurned> Anyone awake?
[12:57] <[Saint]> Ask your question and find out.
[12:57] <unpopsicle> anyone asleep?
[12:58] * [Saint] raises a hand in a state of REM
[12:58] <[Saint]> Lucid dreaming FTW.
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[12:59] <j4jackj> [Saint]: Except, you're awake.
[13:00] <[Saint]> Proove it.
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[13:01] <j4jackj> [Saint]: The text on your screen isn't garbled.
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[13:02] <unpopsicle> are there any decent pre-built ir-recievers/remote for the pi?
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[13:04] <arulfi> hi
[13:04] <arulfi> is gpu support framebuffer acceleration
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[13:10] <stapper> Has anyone any experience creating an internet radio with the pi?
[13:10] <unpopsicle> stapper: yes!
[13:10] <stapper> I want to use GPIO as play and menu buttons
[13:10] <stapper> is mpd and a custom mpc the best way to go?
[13:11] <unpopsicle> its the way I did it
[13:11] <unpopsicle> mpd is great
[13:11] <unpopsicle> with the added bonus of you could always control it from a phone/tablet aswell
[13:11] <stapper> Did you write it in python? Which python pacakge did you use python-mpd or python-mpd2?
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[13:12] <unpopsicle> stapper: I didnt go the gpio button route
[13:12] <tekkoooo> hi, can anybody tell me why is it when i play video from vlc and go to full screen, the pi freezes and i have to do xkill?
[13:12] <stapper> ok
[13:12] <unpopsicle> tekkoooo: tried omxplayer?
[13:13] <tekkoooo> unpopsicle: only mplayer, which does not full-screen
[13:13] <unpopsicle> tekkoooo: afaik omxplayer is the only one with hardware support
[13:13] <arulfi> is gpu support framebuffer acceleration
[13:13] <arulfi> or only x
[13:13] <tekkoooo> unpopsicle: thanks, will give a try
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[13:15] <MrVector> Anyone got any ideas why the mailbox would fail to power off the sd reader? The response just goes "Sure all is well! Oh btw, I didn't actually turn the controller off, TEHE!"
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[13:16] <arulfi> MrVector: why do you need powerf of sd reader?
[13:16] <arulfi> and isnt os files on sd
[13:16] <MrVector> The idea is to power cycle it to make sure it's in it's initial state
[13:17] <MrVector> Bare metal environment I might add
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[13:23] <tekkoooo> unpopsicle: thanks it works, but how to tell omxplayer to use jack audio output indstead of hdmi?
[13:23] <tekkoooo> instead*
[13:24] <tekkoooo> unpopsicle: alsamix i gueaa
[13:24] <unpopsicle> tekkoooo: I believe thats decided by alsa
[13:24] <tekkoooo> guess*
[13:24] <unpopsicle> tekkoooo: there's a command to change the default but I forget it
[13:24] <tekkoooo> unpopsicle: I also see my deskop under the video
[13:25] <unpopsicle> tekkoooo: I dont know how to remedy that, alas I do not run a gui on my pi
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[13:28] <tekkoooo> unpopsicle: and how do I quit playing? nothning works
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[13:28] <cumana> hello. If I want to test if my spi works, can I connect MISO<->MOSI, send data and check if it's received?
[13:29] <unpopsicle> tekkoooo: http://elinux.org/Omxplayer#Hotkeys ?
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[13:30] <mgottschlag> cumana: I think so, that should work fine to check your software
[13:30] <mgottschlag> although it does not check the clock line at all
[13:30] <tekkoooo> unpopsicle: tried, nothing really
[13:30] <bjorn`> Hi! Any tips on debugging a first gen Rpi that won't boot? Red light, and faint green, indicating no bootcode loaded as I understood. Tried several images and several SD cards (Class 6 and 10). Where do I start digging?
[13:30] <bjorn`> I did read the R-Pi_Troubleshooting guide on elinux, to no avail.
[13:31] <unpopsicle> tekkoooo: I guess you're stuck watching that video until the end of time
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[13:31] <mgottschlag> if a different SD card, different software image and a different power supply don't solve it, it might be a hardware problem
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[13:31] <unpopsicle> bjorn`: do the sd cards work on other pis?
[13:32] <tekkoooo> unpopsicle: great, so will give my legs on the table, relax and have a good time :D
[13:32] <bjorn`> unpopsicle: Unsure, only have one
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[13:34] <unpopsicle> bjorn`: well it could be that you're just not creating the cards correctly
[13:34] <ItsMeLenny> what is this? http://au.element14.com/piface/pirack/circuit-rack-for-raspberry-pi/dp/2327992?Ntt=2327992&ICID=ap-2327992-np1
[13:34] <unpopsicle> ItsMeLenny: a circuit-rack-for-raspberry-pi
[13:35] <ItsMeLenny> whats it do
[13:35] <ItsMeLenny> i mean
[13:35] <ItsMeLenny> :P
[13:35] <ItsMeLenny> true, you told me what it is
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[13:35] <ShorTie> it is a gpio expansion board i believe
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[13:39] <ItsMeLenny> i'm curious to see it in action
[13:39] <unpopsicle> ItsMeLenny: it won't look very interesting, it needs more flashing lights
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[13:40] <ItsMeLenny> lol true
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[13:40] <pksato> Have problem to download RaspBMC, Pidora and OpenELEC from torrent? My downloads dont start. http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[13:41] <unpopsicle> pksato: are you connected to the internet?
[13:41] <ozzzy> LOL
[13:42] <ShorTie> in action, it doesn't really do any thing
[13:42] <ozzzy> you're actually asking someone on IRC if they're connected to the internet?
[13:42] <unpopsicle> ozzzy: yes
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[13:42] <pksato> no, I dont have internet connection. and torrent running on this host.
[13:43] <pksato> tracker are ok. and I put theses on query on Friday.
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[14:03] <ItsMeLenny> technically, how many polyphony notes could the raspi play at once?
[14:04] <ItsMeLenny> (argument with my brother, i say a raspi has more processing power than a new hammond organ)
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[14:08] <e2k> any way to get rpix86 on arch linux?
[14:08] <unpopsicle> e2k: the pi is arm not x86?
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[14:10] <e2k> unpopsicle: yes, rpix86 is a x86 emulator (for example for running dos programs and/or games)
[14:10] <e2k> (for arm)
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[14:12] <pksato> e2k: donwload, unpack, and try (./rpix86)
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[14:19] <e2k> hmm, I swear I tried this multiple times, and it always complained about a false binary or something, but now that I did again, it seemed to work :o)
[14:20] <e2k> thanks pksato for giving me the kick in the butt to retry
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[14:24] <SgtBurned> RAWWWWRRRRRRRR
[14:24] <SgtBurned> Hey Guys
[14:25] <tig|> SgtBurned: is that the sound of an LCD screen with a chainsaw?
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[14:26] <SgtBurned> Oh I am going to have some nightmares tonight about that damn LCD.
[14:27] <ShorTie> is there a way you can get it to print out the charactor map ??
[14:27] <ShorTie> yours might not match there's
[14:28] <SgtBurned> I got it working in the end
[14:29] <SgtBurned> Turns out I missed a simple elif.
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[14:33] <SgtBurned> So where is everyone located tonight?
[14:34] <ozzzy> at home
[14:35] <tig|> at work
[14:35] <[Saint]> 43°31′48″S 172°37′13″E
[14:35] <SgtBurned> We have one lucky winner!
[14:35] <SgtBurned> Come on up Mr Ozzy
[14:35] * ozzzy remembers work.... vaguely
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[14:36] <tig|> or to be slightly more accurate Worcestershire :)
[14:36] <ozzzy> wow.... [Saint] is almost right under my feet
[14:36] * [Saint] believes he should get points for accuracy
[14:36] <ozzzy> oh... 172E.... I read that 72E
[14:36] * tig| points at [Saint]
[14:37] <SgtBurned> 50 Points to Tigl
[14:37] <SgtBurned> -25 to Saint for trying to be a smart arse
[14:37] <SgtBurned> :)
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[14:37] <tig|> /o/
[14:37] <SgtBurned> 200 points to SgtBurned because I can
[14:38] <[Saint]> ozzzy: iirc, my antipodes is somewhere in Spain.
[14:38] <ozzzy> yeah... I read 72E not 172E
[14:38] <tig|> Welcome to #raspberrypi where the rules are in the topic and the points don't matter :)
[14:38] <[Saint]> Some Google-fu tells me A Coruña
[14:38] <[Saint]> tig|: rules matter - there basically is no topic, though.
[14:39] <SgtBurned> Topic of the day is...
[14:39] <[Saint]> Conversation here is only pi-related ~50% of the time at a guess. :)
[14:39] <SgtBurned> Angry French LCD Screens with character errors striking back at their programmer
[14:39] <SgtBurned> 50%?!
[14:39] <[Saint]> The other day, it was baked goods and various cheeses.
[14:39] <SgtBurned> When as it been that high?
[14:39] <tig|> Topics are generally hazelnutty :) Well they are over here
[14:40] <[Saint]> You're Italian?
[14:40] <[Saint]> ...those guys love them some hazelnut spread.
[14:40] <SgtBurned> tigl ?
[14:40] <SgtBurned> Tigl is a brit I beleive
[14:41] <SgtBurned> Rick Saunders :3
[14:41] <tig|> [Saint]: nope British but we have a chocolate bar over here called Topic and they have hazelnuts in them :)
[14:41] <SgtBurned> looks like a Yank!
[14:41] <SgtBurned> :P I hate Topics
[14:42] <Sonny_Jim> The Dutch like chocolate sprinkles on their toast for breakfast
[14:42] * [Saint] is pretty sure that publically outing the relationship between realname/handle is a freenode no-no.
[14:43] <SgtBurned> A simple Whois would tell anyone
[14:43] <ozzzy> pfft
[14:43] <[Saint]> Well, IFF they have that info public.
[14:43] <unpopsicle> [Saint]: you mean doxing?
[14:43] <SgtBurned> Ima Dox you brah
[14:45] <bjorn`> unpopsicle: I'm doing dd if=file.img of=/dev/disk1 bs=1m
[14:45] <bjorn`> on osx
[14:45] <bjorn`> is there a better way?
[14:45] <bjorn`> sorry for the delay
[14:45] <tig|> SgtBurned: did you just accuse me of being called Rick and looking like a Yank?
[14:45] <tig|> How dare you!
[14:45] <tig|> Geoffery! Fetch me my fighting trousers!
[14:46] <SgtBurned> Ohhhh SH*T
[14:46] <SgtBurned> Its about to go down!
[14:46] <SgtBurned> You are logged into a US server ;)
[14:47] <unpopsicle> SgtBurned: be warned, I've been kicked for saying less on this channel
[14:47] <SgtBurned> I've been kicked for saying much less too
[14:47] <SgtBurned> Just depends if the Mod is stuck up his own rear
[14:48] <SgtBurned> Mr Tigl is french ?
[14:48] <tig|> SgtBurned: pop onto youtube and look for Professor Elemental Fighting Trousers
[14:48] * mchou (~quassel@unaffiliated/mchou) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[14:48] <SgtBurned> Can't
[14:48] <tig|> it will bring joy to your day :)
[14:48] <SgtBurned> "Work"
[14:48] <tig|> SgtBurned: ah
[14:48] <tig|> :(
[14:50] <SgtBurned> Hehe, I do a lot of work for someone who spends a lot of time on IRC and reddit...
[14:51] <SgtBurned> I personally like playing Hide and Seek with my programs.
[14:52] <SgtBurned> Go on a lunch break, come back and BAM all my programs have hidden in some folder no-where that I have been before
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[14:54] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
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[15:02] <SgtBurned> Everyone just goes quite when the mods come out....
[15:03] <PhotoJim> goes quite what?
[15:03] <PhotoJim> or do you mean "quiet"?
[15:03] <SgtBurned> Damnit
[15:03] <IT_Sean> HAHA!
[15:03] <SgtBurned> never get that word right xD
[15:04] <SgtBurned> I will blame my Dyslexia with words :)
[15:04] <IT_Sean> Would you say you "never get that word quiet right"? :p
[15:04] <SgtBurned> ;) I would yes
[15:04] <PhotoJim> the E sound in "quiet" is before the T, if you pronounce it right.
[15:04] <SgtBurned> I also tend to confuse it with Quit.
[15:04] <SgtBurned> Meh
[15:05] <SgtBurned> Brain no function. Brain only useful for programming. Brain no good. Brain go sleep.
[15:05] * IT_Sean invents a new word, "queet", which can be used in place of 'quiet' 'quit' or 'quite', and who's meaning varies based on context, just for SgtBurned
[15:06] * IT_Sean uses it in a sentence: "It's queet queet in here. i queet."
[15:08] <PhotoJim> That's what Queet Elizabeth would say.
[15:08] <IT_Sean> Um... no.
[15:08] * IT_Sean slaps PhotoJim for musies of the word "queet"
[15:08] <IT_Sean> *misuse
[15:08] * tig| throws bagels at IT_Sean
[15:08] <IT_Sean> (darnit)
[15:08] * IT_Sean throws bananas at tig|
[15:09] * IT_Sean catches one of the bagels and eats it
[15:09] * tig| makes a smoothie with bananas
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[15:10] <PhotoJim> I'm going to hire a good lawyer and get aqueeted of this charge.
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[15:12] <tig|> everyone's aqueetic
[15:13] * tig| thows a bisqueet at IT_Sean
[15:13] <SgtBurned> it is quite quiet.
[15:13] <SgtBurned> I don't know if I Fudged up or not...
[15:13] <SgtBurned> Eff it
[15:13] <SgtBurned> I Qeet
[15:13] <SgtBurned> asdjasd
[15:13] * IT_Sean clears his throat
[15:14] <SgtBurned> *cries*
[15:14] <Mjolinor> ok, I'll noise it up a bit for you
[15:14] <Mjolinor> any brains for picking?
[15:15] * IT_Sean look suspiciously at SgtBurned, then goes back to eating his breffast
[15:15] * IT_Sean offers his nose to Mjolinor
[15:15] <Mjolinor> ideally I need to detect that a shutdown is complete and can't find a way to do that other than monitoring the video out signal which is a piss poor way of doing it
[15:15] <IT_Sean> Mjolinor: please familiarize yourself with the channel acceptable language policy!
[15:16] <Mjolinor> alternatively I can wait a predefined time
[15:17] <[Saint]> IT_Sean: it might help to have chanserv automessage on join.
[15:17] <SgtBurned> Mjol, Find where the shutdown command stuff is
[15:17] <SgtBurned> Monitor it ?
[15:17] <IT_Sean> [Saint]: it's in the topic
[15:17] <[Saint]> pretty much no one reads the topic, unfortunately.
[15:17] <SgtBurned> Yeah, The small topic at the top is very small..
[15:17] <IT_Sean> Well, it's there.
[15:17] <[Saint]> such is life.
[15:17] <[Saint]> Oh, I know.
[15:17] <SgtBurned> even on this 1200 height monitor
[15:17] <[Saint]> But you really have to cram it in people's faces.
[15:18] <tig|> even if it is hazelnutty
[15:18] <SgtBurned> Britain.. .Never stops raining
[15:18] <PhotoJim> you can always type "/topic" to read the topic.
[15:18] <SgtBurned> Not had a single day here where I don't cycle home from work in the rain
[15:19] <tig|> SgtBurned: it is currently "not raining"
[15:19] <SgtBurned> I :'(
[15:19] <SgtBurned> Is here
[15:19] <tig|> (it was earlier though)
[15:19] <SgtBurned> I like rain
[15:19] <SgtBurned> Listening to rain, watching the rain
[15:19] <SgtBurned> but not being out in it at 35mph
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[15:20] <tig|> our office here has a metal roof, when the rain gets heavy it is like sitting in a carwash
[15:20] <SgtBurned> :3
[15:20] <IT_Sean> tig|: I have the same issue here.
[15:20] <[Saint]> "/msg chanserv set #raspberrypi entrymsg Welcome to #raspberrypi - please remember to read our channel rules: http://tiny.cc/h7za1w "
[15:21] <SgtBurned> Issue?!
[15:21] <IT_Sean> I've been known to transfer Support calls to my mobile, so i could take them in my car. It's quieter in there.
[15:21] <[Saint]> I do a similar thing for my channels.
[15:21] <Mjolinor> ok, as you seem to prefer discussing hte ins and outs of "adult oriented language" I'll leave you to it
[15:21] * Mjolinor goes back to google
[15:21] <SgtBurned> I do programming all day everyday
[15:21] <SgtBurned> So rain is calming
[15:21] <SgtBurned> Rather than having numerous beeps of BIOS etc
[15:22] <IT_Sean> heh
[15:22] <IT_Sean> i used to have a lot of screechy modem noise, at $job.old
[15:22] <SgtBurned> Boss and Husband are also very fast and loud speakers
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[15:22] <SgtBurned> xD
[15:22] <SgtBurned> My old 1 week job was electrician stuck up in a loft for 9 hours a day
[15:23] <SgtBurned> whilst the customer loved to have the central heating on all day
[15:23] <SgtBurned> Dinner kept warm though.
[15:23] <[Saint]> Mjolinor: its a very heated issue. As there's no defined, or defineable, list of "disallowed" expressions, its pretty much up to whatever moderator happens to be looking at the time.
[15:23] <[Saint]> And it doesn't help that none of them can agree on what is dissallowed.
[15:23] <[Saint]> ...but, hey.
[15:24] <[Saint]> "safe for work" and/or "family friendsly" don;t really mean very much.
[15:24] * [Saint] shrugs
[15:25] <tig|> Mjolinor: I don't think there is a way to do it from software, I think you can visually see when it has halted as only the power light will be on and all others will be off
[15:25] <SgtBurned> :P I don't mind having un-family friendly.
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[15:25] <SgtBurned> If there is a kid on the internet, He has 99% likely found pornographic images already
[15:25] <[Saint]> The issue is my idea of SFW may differ greatly from yours, and the next guys, and the next...
[15:25] <SgtBurned> and then it comes down to parental issues. Shouldn't the Kids mother / father be watching over him whilst he uses the internet?
[15:26] <SgtBurned> Yeah
[15:26] <Mjolinor> that isn't enough, the power light can be on alone under normal use
[15:26] <[Saint]> I got a few warnings in here before I learned the (vague) acceptable limits.
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[15:26] <SgtBurned> SFW for me just means no Porno links shrunk down into an innocent tiny.url
[15:26] <Mjolinor> the only way I have found is to look for the video out signal
[15:26] <SgtBurned> I'll have a look for you Mjol :)
[15:26] <IT_Sean> Mjolinor: and what is wrong with that method?
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[15:27] <IT_Sean> presumably, if it's got vid out, it's booted. if it hasn't, it's halted
[15:27] <Mjolinor> it takes a PIC with an anlalogue input, not really a problem but untidy to implement
[15:27] <SgtBurned> Hmm
[15:27] <Mjolinor> it means the PCB has to have a floating phone plug on the end of a wire
[15:27] <SgtBurned> How about monitoring some GPIO Pins ?
[15:27] <[Saint]> I was going to say that.
[15:27] <Mjolinor> can't see any way to do it by monitoring
[15:27] <SgtBurned> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=13268&f=44#p185458
[15:27] <[Saint]> Can't you just check GPIO for power?
[15:28] <IT_Sean> Have the raspi pulse one of the pons when booted. when that stops, it's halted!
[15:28] <SgtBurned> or check the voltage across the PEW led
[15:28] <IT_Sean> *pins
[15:28] <Mjolinor> what I am currently wondering is whether to stick a script in init.d and put the simlink in rc0.d to run the script
[15:28] <SgtBurned> PWR*
[15:28] <IT_Sean> SgtBurned: That wouldn't work. the PWR LED is ALWAYS lit, whever the raspi is PLUGGED IN
[15:29] <SgtBurned> 0_o Damn
[15:29] <IT_Sean> Same with the 5v GPIO pin. You would have to use one of the switchable 3.3v pins to monitor the pi status.
[15:29] <Mjolinor> the proiblem being that I dont really understand how the kill simlinks can unmount the drives before calling the halt, the halt function calls the sync that writes the caches out adn it can't do that if the disks are unmounted
[15:29] <mgottschlag> I'd say a watchdog system is the best method
[15:29] * tekkoooo (~Tekk@ Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[15:29] <mgottschlag> hm, or did you already discuss that yesterday?
[15:30] <Mjolinor> so I have to put my script to run before the unmount simlink and if I do that the time from there to actual shutdown is undefined depending on how full the cache is so a fixed wait is not good
[15:30] <SgtBurned> Oh. I know!
[15:30] <Jck_True> Does the PI have enough horsepower to run SDR?
[15:30] <SgtBurned> Hire a small leprechaun, Have it hit a horn when it powers off.
[15:30] <ReggieUK> saint, it's not a heated issue at all, our rules are our rules, you haven't understood that we don't like any kind of swearing, cursing, homophobic, genderphbic, xenophobic, politicised, religion based chat :-)
[15:30] <IT_Sean> SgtBurned: the PWR LED is powered, directly, by the voltage regulator, which is active whenever the 5v line is powered. The 5v line is powered any time the raspi is plugged in, even if it is NOT booted.
[15:30] <[Saint]> Which makes total sense. As it indicates power, and nothing more.
[15:31] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[15:31] <SgtBurned> Ahh yeah
[15:31] <SgtBurned> Sorry, Brain is still in Prog mode
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[15:31] <[Saint]> Mine is constantly on as I halt the pi and keep it powered and use P6 to bring it back up.
[15:31] <IT_Sean> It's slightly counter-intuitive, as the "power" light on your PC means it is powered on, not just plugged in. On the pi, it is a "i am plugged in" light.
[15:32] <IT_Sean> P6? That's the 2 pin 'reset' header, right?
[15:32] <Jck_True> IT*S ALIVE!
[15:32] <[Saint]> My PC has an "I have power" light.
[15:32] <IT_Sean> [Saint]: you PC is werid.
[15:32] <[Saint]> Server(s) too.
[15:32] <[Saint]> I admit this is non-common.
[15:32] <IT_Sean> wait... lemme guess... The LED on the NIC?
[15:32] <pksato> some PC MB have a led to indicate 5VSB.
[15:33] <IT_Sean> ahh
[15:33] <mgottschlag> argh, I seem to have destroyed a set of power mosfets by pure carelessness -.-
[15:33] <Jck_True> 5VSB is great :) - I'm running my Pi on the standby line and using a pin on my pi to start the PSU :)
[15:34] <Jck_True> mgottschlag: Hope you weren't holding one in your hand like i was when you burnt it...
[15:34] <IT_Sean> O_O
[15:34] <[Saint]> It indicates that the "wake on" devices will still function.
[15:34] <[Saint]> etc.
[15:34] <[Saint]> WOL, WOUSB, etc.
[15:35] <mgottschlag> nothing burnt, just damaged by static electricity :|
[15:35] <mgottschlag> probably
[15:35] <IT_Sean> *fzap*
[15:35] <mgottschlag> (not like I don't know that mosfet gates don't like that -.-)
[15:35] <SgtBurned> My Motherboard has a "I have power" LED too
[15:37] <SgtBurned> Although I don't think its intentional
[15:37] <Jck_True> mgottschlag: I had one in my hand when it burnt after powering up a 10Amp Vacuum pump
[15:37] <Jck_True> mgottschlag: (Startup current around 40Amps)
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[15:40] <gordonjcp> afternoon
[15:40] <gordonjcp> is there a bill of materials for the Raspberry Pi available anywhere, or does anyone know offhand who makes the SD card socket?
[15:42] <SgtBurned> You broke the SD Card slot ?
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[15:42] <Jck_True> gordonjcp: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/07/19/how-to-repair-a-broken-raspberry-pi-sd-card-slot-raspberry_pi-piday-raspberrypi :)
[15:43] <SgtBurned> http://www.techunboxed.com/2013/07/how-to-repair-broken-raspberry-pi-sd.html
[15:43] <SgtBurned> We are. GOOGLE FU
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[15:44] <SgtBurned> I can rest my cup of coffee on this laptop and it will heat up slowly :D
[15:44] <IT_Sean> then there is something wrong with the laptop
[15:44] <SgtBurned> Yeah
[15:44] <SgtBurned> Its about 15 years old
[15:44] <SgtBurned> DELL
[15:44] <SgtBurned> Inspiron :3
[15:44] <IT_Sean> probably needs a good dust out.
[15:44] <IT_Sean> eeeew.
[15:45] <IT_Sean> an Inspiron? It needs to be recycled.
[15:45] <tig|> noooo it is all the dust that helps keep it nice and warm
[15:45] <Jck_True> My Acer runs at a stable 90C under load :)
[15:45] <SgtBurned> "Designed for Microsoft Windows 2000"
[15:45] <SgtBurned> Hey, It works.... Sort of
[15:45] <tig|> how could you, it is going into winter! you don't shear a sheep just before it gets cold do you?
[15:45] <SgtBurned> Blue Screened 5 times this morning :D
[15:45] <SgtBurned> Heats up my coffee
[15:45] * IT_Sean gets the company shotgun and offers to put that pile of trash out of it's misery
[15:45] <SgtBurned> ;D Come at me bro
[15:45] <Jck_True> I thought you were supposed to run a computer like an engine - Don't put it under load till its warm...
[15:45] <SgtBurned> This could take a truck smashing into it
[15:46] <gordonjcp> SgtBurned: yes, the little plastic strip up the side broke
[15:46] <gordonjcp> SgtBurned: exactly like in the pic in the link that Jck_True posted ;-)
[15:46] * IT_Sean shoots a deer slug through the keyboard, cratering the motherboard in the process
[15:46] <SgtBurned> 1600 x 1200 Resolution.
[15:46] <SgtBurned> Take that!
[15:46] <SgtBurned> Bigger Res than my 32" TV!
[15:46] <SgtBurned> Noppe
[15:46] <SgtBurned> Took 2 keys off...
[15:46] <SgtBurned> Try again
[15:46] <IT_Sean> dang
[15:47] * IT_Sean just takes it and throws it into the pond out back of the office
[15:47] <Jck_True> I've cleaned an Asus laptop once... The kid had poured half a liter of coke into it...
[15:47] <SgtBurned> 780Mhz with 512Mb RAM
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[15:48] <IT_Sean> half a liter? what are you, canadian!?
[15:48] <gordonjcp> Jck_True: perfect, the article leads me to a company in England that could post it up - but better still, a datasheet
[15:48] <Jck_True> Methanol - A filt pen... And like 8 hours of cleaning...
[15:48] <gordonjcp> Jck_True: and I can get them for a little more from RS ;-)
[15:48] <SgtBurned> Man this beasts through PDF's like a corvette through an oil spill
[15:48] <SgtBurned> Gordon, You in the UK?
[15:48] <gordonjcp> SgtBurned: yes
[15:48] <Jck_True> IT_Sean: Danish ;)
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Ahh
[15:48] <gordonjcp> also those sockets look like they sit the other way up, thus giving the card a bit more protection
[15:48] <SgtBurned> I could most likely get you a part from my boss if I can
[15:49] <SgtBurned> If you get a part number I could try
[15:49] <gordonjcp> SgtBurned: we've got an RS account at work, and they stock that card socket
[15:49] <Jck_True> gordonjcp: You could check out the mini sd adapter cards
[15:49] <IT_Sean> I've seen a few miniSD adapters that don't stick out as far
[15:49] <SgtBurned> ;) Ok
[15:50] <IT_Sean> Might be the way to go if you are worried about the SD Overhang
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[15:51] <SgtBurned> BOurbon Biscuits :3
[15:52] <gordonjcp> IT_Sean: also not a bad idea
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[15:52] <Jck_True> haha just listening to my boss on the phone "Well if the user changes that value in the registry database it will cause problems... But the user won't do that"
[15:52] <Jck_True> ^^ Clearly he's under estimating users again...
[15:52] <IT_Sean> (>_<)
[15:53] <IT_Sean> Never underestimate the power of stupid users in large numbers.
[15:54] <tig|> The amount of tickets closed with PEBCAK/PICNIC....
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[16:01] <SgtBurned> My Boss seems to understand how users can be
[16:02] <SgtBurned> I put an example of something like "Type A11 to Toggle Bank A, Port 1 and LED 1."
[16:02] <SgtBurned> "No no no, User will not understand, more examples so they understand" xD
[16:03] <IT_Sean> Sounds like you need new uesers.
[16:03] <IT_Sean> *users
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[16:04] <SgtBurned> Well, The users we deal with are mostly hobbyists
[16:04] <SgtBurned> One could be a kid
[16:04] <SgtBurned> another could be a hardcore programmer
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[16:09] <SgtBurned> Sourceforge/staff/ ?
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[16:09] <jhoffmann> previous, was never updated
[16:09] <jhoffmann> morning!
[16:10] <SgtBurned> Afternoon!
[16:10] <SgtBurned> 3:11pm ;)
[16:10] <jhoffmann> GMT?
[16:10] <SgtBurned> Yeah
[16:11] <tig|> there are other timezones?
[16:11] <tig|> how quaint
[16:11] <jhoffmann> Yes but they are inferior to EST.
[16:12] <jhoffmann> We should just all switch to Swatch Beats(tm).
[16:12] <tig|> jhoffmann: haha I remember those
[16:13] <tig|> didn't they use the @sign to try to show they were "designed" for the internet and the future?
[16:13] <jhoffmann> Yup.
[16:13] <jhoffmann> Didn't go over well, much like the metric system in the US.
[16:13] <IT_Sean> I remember Beats.
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[16:14] <IT_Sean> I used to have a @Beats widget on my machine at home.
[16:14] <jhoffmann> I wanted a Beats watch so bad as a kid.
[16:14] <tig|> I don't think they really pushed them over here much
[16:14] <jhoffmann> 1998? Wow, thought it was before that.
[16:15] <tig|> I don't recall much of an ad campaign or anything
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[16:15] <jhoffmann> Probably read about it on slashdot.
[16:15] <tig|> yeah something like that
[16:15] <tig|> or the Inq
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[16:18] <alanhoff> What is the official raspberry channel?
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[16:18] <SpeedEvil> There is none.
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> here is as close as it gets
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[16:21] <alanhoff> SpeedEvil, thanks for the info
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[16:23] <alanhoff> Someone know is Raspberry + Chromium + jQuery (for realtime chart ploting) have a good performance?
[16:24] <shiftplusone> If you don't scroll around too much, it should be just 'ok'
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[16:25] <alanhoff> Yep, that will be a separated page without scroll
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[16:27] <SgtBurned> Is anyone here good with Web script to Python / SSH ?
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[16:28] <SgtBurned> Or possibly know an open source Android SSH script
[16:28] <SgtBurned> I know ConnectBot is open source, Just looking for another one to cross reference
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[16:33] <foo303> Hi all.
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[16:33] <foo303> Has anyone gotten the rpi camera to work on archlinux?
[16:33] <shiftplusone> What's special about getting it to work on arch as opposed to raspbian? =/
[16:33] <foo303> There seems to be very little documentation for using it on arch, unless there need not be any setup for it
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[16:34] <foo303> debian has a config script, arch doesn't seem to have one :p
[16:34] <Jeebiss> hi guys
[16:34] <foo303> raspi-config, that is.
[16:34] <Jeebiss> i just installed Raspian from the NOOB files on raspi.org
[16:34] <shiftplusone> Whatever raspi-config does to enable the camera, it can't be more than a few lines.
[16:34] <Jeebiss> How do I make it boot into command line?
[16:35] <shiftplusone> Jeebiss, run 'sudo raspi-config' and disable X.
[16:35] <foo303> hmm. I'll open the script and look inside. Thanks for the nudge.
[16:35] <Jeebiss> oooh, thank you
[16:35] <shiftplusone> foo303, checking as well, just in case.
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[16:36] <Jeebiss> shiftplusone: thats exactly what i needed, thank you
[16:36] <foo303> damnit. stupid question, but where can I find that script?
[16:37] <shiftplusone> np
[16:37] <shiftplusone> foo303, https://github.com/asb/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config
[16:37] <foo303> thanks a lot, shift
[16:37] <SgtBurned> Turns out they still haven't disconnected us from the main LAN.
[16:37] <SgtBurned> Anyone in the UK here?
[16:37] <gordonjcp> SgtBurned: me
[16:38] <IT_Sean> Him ^
[16:38] <SgtBurned> You know the NHS.
[16:38] <gordonjcp> yes, to some extent
[16:38] <SgtBurned> The office I am in does some major administration work for this region.
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[16:38] <SgtBurned> They didn't disconnect the LAN ;)
[16:38] <SgtBurned> On top of having free 50Mb/s broadband.
[16:38] <foo303> SgtBurned: Everyone using Raspbian, has experienced the UK at least once. Those who haven't configured their locale, continue to experience it.
[16:39] <gordonjcp> foo303: :-)
[16:39] <SgtBurned> ;)
[16:39] <IT_Sean> hahahaha
[16:39] <SgtBurned> Does anyone have any ideas for Raspberry Pi Boards ( USB Hubs etc ) ?
[16:40] <shiftplusone> foo303, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=44539
[16:40] <shiftplusone> http://blog.philippklaus.de/2013/06/using-the-raspberry-pi-camera-board-on-arch-linux-arm/
[16:40] <SgtBurned> Board to control 8 motors etc.
[16:40] <shiftplusone> annoying business that default locale =/
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[16:41] <shiftplusone> usb hubs and motor control boards are very different.... kind of hard to suggest anything with that spread O_o
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[16:41] <SgtBurned> Can be anything
[16:41] <SgtBurned> What do you think needs to be on the RPi that already isn't or is not availible
[16:41] <shiftplusone> time machine
[16:42] <SgtBurned> LCD Screens are coming.
[16:42] <SgtBurned> Yeah... Might be a little hard to program and build ;F
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[16:42] <shiftplusone> everything else has been done
[16:42] <SgtBurned> There will be something we have forgotten surely
[16:42] <SgtBurned> Oooohh Thunder
[16:43] <SgtBurned> I wonder if you can have 16 MCP23S17 chips...
[16:43] <Jeebiss> It'd be great to see a formal audio imput
[16:44] <SgtBurned> Audio Input. Hmmm
[16:44] <Jeebiss> in my case, i have to use a crappy usb soundcard to have audio input
[16:45] <SgtBurned> Oh okay.
[16:46] <SgtBurned> This CD RW sounds like a robot trying to sing.
[16:47] <Jeebiss> just curious, does anyone know the common issues with raspi's? like which components fail most often?
[16:47] <Jeebiss> someone mentioned thatt the silver cap by the power port is rather fragile
[16:47] <Jeebiss> and people use it as leverage to plug in their power lol
[16:48] <SgtBurned> Ouch
[16:48] <SgtBurned> Only people who don't care for what thye have
[16:48] <Jeebiss> Or children
[16:48] <SgtBurned> I would most likely have to go with SD Card slot or the Ports such as USB or Ethernet
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[16:48] <SgtBurned> Hmm True, Although I keep mine well away from Children xD
[16:49] <SgtBurned> Little Buggers tried to chew on my SD card the other day
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[16:49] <shiftplusone> Some people tend to break the cap and the sd card holder
[16:49] <shiftplusone> most other issues are caused by bad power supplies and incompatible sd cards.
[16:49] <pothibo> I have a raspberry pi working for a few weeks now, this morning, tried to ssh into it.. was nto responding, went downstair to check our, power was on but no light was working (Not even the red light) Unplugged and replugged. Nothing. any idea?
[16:49] <shiftplusone> tasty
[16:49] <IT_Sean> pothibo: If the PWR LED is not on, it isn't getting power.
[16:50] <tig|> SgtBurned: in case you missed it pimoroni just released their raspberry usb hub
[16:50] <SgtBurned> ;) I got enough USB Hubs here
[16:50] <pothibo> well the relay board connected to the pi has faint lights
[16:50] <shiftplusone> pothibo, done anything recently that might mess with the hardware? Connect 5v to it, connect a bad power supply, nuke it or anything like that?
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[16:50] <tig|> SgtBurned: well you were asking about them earlier :)
[16:50] <SgtBurned> Seems like Power Pot
[16:50] <shiftplusone> *connect 5v to GPIO
[16:50] <pothibo> pot?
[16:50] <SgtBurned> I was asking for ideas for boards
[16:50] <SgtBurned> pothibo: :D
[16:50] <SgtBurned> Tab didn't work
[16:51] <pothibo> :)
[16:51] <pothibo> it's connected to 5v yes
[16:51] <pothibo> oh well
[16:51] <shiftplusone> GPIO is connected to 5v? O_o
[16:51] <SgtBurned> ...
[16:51] <IT_Sean> wait...
[16:51] <pothibo> well, not the GPIO
[16:51] <SgtBurned> I think he means the power source is connected ?
[16:52] <IT_Sean> you... connected 5v to GPIO?
[16:52] <IT_Sean> gpio is 3.3v!!!!!!
[16:52] <shiftplusone> ah ok
[16:52] <IT_Sean> ahh
[16:52] <pothibo> too many questions at the same time, hard to answer them all :)
[16:52] <SgtBurned> :D
[16:52] <SgtBurned> pothibo: What cable are you using?
[16:52] <pothibo> SgtBurned: cable?
[16:52] <SgtBurned> pothibo: Power from mains, USB socket?
[16:52] <pothibo> mains
[16:53] <SgtBurned> pothibo: What is the rating on the supply?
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[16:53] <pksato> SgtBurned: ideas for board? DSI to LVDS bridge. :)
[16:54] <SgtBurned> ;) Thats a good one
[16:54] <SgtBurned> DSI or DVI ?
[16:54] <pothibo> 5v@4a
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[16:55] <SgtBurned> Don't know whether 4a is too much
[16:55] <SgtBurned> I'm, running on 2a
[16:55] <pksato> DSI, Display Serial Interface
[16:55] <shiftplusone> You can't have 'too much' when it comes to current.
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[16:55] <SgtBurned> Thanks pksato ;). Will let you know next time I am online if he wants to build it.
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[16:56] <SgtBurned> Just making sure shift ;)
[16:56] <foo303> thanks a lot, shiftplusone. this is elegantly simple, compared to hacking the raspi-config script :p
[16:56] <pothibo> yeah amps is irrelevant and I need it to drive the relay
[16:56] <pksato> DSI bridge is a next leap on RPi.
[16:56] <shiftplusone> foo303, got it working?
[16:57] <foo303> preparing testing code in openframeworks
[16:57] <shiftplusone> DSI bridge? I still think the time machine idea is worth exploring. =/
[16:58] <foo303> got some downloading to do, but I'll keep you posted on this. shouldn't be too long. /me wishes it is as simple as it is presented
[16:58] <SgtBurned> I will research in to the Time Machine as much as I can
[16:58] <SgtBurned> but DSI -> LVDS seems more reasonable and do-able right now
[16:59] <shiftplusone> fine =(
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[16:59] <tig|> SgtBurned: if you had got one working you would be finished by now :)
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[16:59] <SgtBurned> xD
[16:59] <SgtBurned> Was just about to say something like that.
[16:59] <tig|> I was going to say you would have finished by then :)
[16:59] <SgtBurned> and about, if I had invented a time machine I would of gone back and given the blue prints to myself.
[16:59] <tig|> but it wasn't as clear to understand
[16:59] <SgtBurned> or
[17:00] <SgtBurned> If I go back in time it will create a parrallel universe
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[17:00] <shiftplusone> heh
[17:00] <SgtBurned> So really we don't win.
[17:00] <SgtBurned> It will just be like Virtual Reality.
[17:00] <SgtBurned> Seperate Universe to mess about in :(
[17:00] <SgtBurned> Suppose that can be fun...
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[17:01] <shiftplusone> Unless you also destroy all other universes from that parallel universe, then we will only exist in the universe with the time machine. Well, this 'we' would die, but meh.
[17:01] <SgtBurned> Might aswell just "Borrow" the NSA data and re-create your past.
[17:01] <SgtBurned> xD
[17:01] <SgtBurned> WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER
[17:01] <SgtBurned> *Starts to swim underwater*
[17:01] <SgtBurned> *drowns*
[17:02] <SgtBurned> Can anyone read chinese?
[17:02] <IT_Sean> The Chinese can.
[17:02] <SgtBurned> Ill ask them
[17:02] <shiftplusone> Only basic symbols you would see around the street, like 'exit' and such.
[17:03] <SgtBurned> *Walks up to a chinese person and speaks english*
[17:03] <SgtBurned> shiftplusone: Thats cheating, They are green and lit up :)
[17:03] <SgtBurned> and they have diagrams!
[17:03] <shiftplusone> Yeah well, I only had a few weeks in China, so I couldn't pick up much more than that
[17:03] <SgtBurned> :P
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[17:05] <SgtBurned> Anyone here ever soldered a 64pin Chip ?
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[17:06] <SgtBurned> or 68 or whatever it is
[17:06] <IT_Sean> is it through hole?
[17:06] <IT_Sean> 'cause, of so... how hard can it be!
[17:06] <SgtBurned> Nope, Surface mount
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[17:06] <IT_Sean> oooh
[17:06] <ShorTie> sounds like hot air to me SgtBurned
[17:06] <IT_Sean> Yeah... that sounds tricky
[17:07] <ShorTie> na
[17:07] <SgtBurned> It wasn't soo bad
[17:07] <SgtBurned> Just...
[17:07] <SgtBurned> Damn Bridging
[17:07] <ShorTie> just need the right stuff
[17:07] <IT_Sean> Your solder fu is not strong, grasshopper.
[17:07] <SgtBurned> It's not..
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[17:08] <ShorTie> tin the pads, stick a couple corners down, hit it with hot air, done, hehe
[17:08] <SgtBurned> ;) Cheating
[17:08] <shiftplusone> SgtBurned, with a solder mark between the pins, it shouldn't be a problem.
[17:08] <SgtBurned> Ill set the scene
[17:08] <SgtBurned> Small company of 3 so far
[17:08] <SgtBurned> I was joining them as their 4th
[17:08] <SgtBurned> Soldering Iron was broke ( Handle was taped with Masking tape....
[17:09] <SgtBurned> Was soldering a few large components ( USB, 16pin Header etc )
[17:09] <SgtBurned> BAM
[17:09] <SgtBurned> Huge ass chip
[17:09] * ShorTie cries a tear for SgtBurned
[17:09] <SgtBurned> Anyway
[17:09] <SgtBurned> I am now software for them ;D
[17:09] <SgtBurned> I got out of that one.
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[17:09] <ShorTie> jk
[17:09] * shiftplusone watches IT_Sean put on the boot. D=
[17:10] <pothibo> well just tested the power supply. he's the one that is blown. Raspberry Pi is fine when plugged via usb.
[17:10] <SgtBurned> Wahoo
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[17:10] <SgtBurned> Lucky pothibo ;)
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[17:10] <IT_Sean> SgtBurned: please review the channel rules, specifically those regarding language. Thank you.
[17:10] <pothibo> ;)
[17:10] <SgtBurned> regarding what word in particular?
[17:11] <SgtBurned> Ass ?
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[17:11] <IT_Sean>
[17:11] <SgtBurned> Kicked for that word...
[17:11] <SgtBurned> Thats a little too strict dont you think?
[17:11] <shiftplusone> Rabble rabble rabble
[17:11] <SgtBurned> What about Elbow ?
[17:12] <IT_Sean> Elbow is fine.
[17:12] <SgtBurned> Foot ?
[17:12] <IT_Sean> Foot's okay.
[17:12] <SgtBurned> Lumbar/
[17:12] <IT_Sean> Are you quite done?
[17:12] <SgtBurned> nNot yet
[17:12] <SgtBurned> Just want to make sure...
[17:13] <SgtBurned> Rectum?
[17:13] <shiftplusone> Was nice knowing you
[17:13] <SgtBurned> *Waves*
[17:13] <IT_Sean> SgtBurned: you were reminded of the rules last week, as well, on thursday.
[17:14] <SgtBurned> ;)
[17:14] <SgtBurned> What does that say about me / channel?
[17:14] <SgtBurned> Someone is either too strict or someone is too immature
[17:14] <sney> there's no point barking up that tree, man
[17:14] <sney> trust me
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[17:15] <SgtBurned> Whaaa..
[17:15] <mpmc> Off with his head!
[17:15] <SgtBurned> Just sayin'
[17:15] <ShorTie> like the one that does follow rulez ??
[17:15] <ShorTie> like the one that does not follow rulez ??
[17:15] <SgtBurned> Ass is an ass. It is part of the human anatomy. I might as well of been kicked for saying the word finger.
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[17:15] <SgtBurned> Just depends on context
[17:15] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*d49fb1ba@*.
[17:16] * SgtBurned was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[17:16] * mpmc hides in fear.
[17:16] <IT_Sean> relax mpmc. He had that coming. You are not even on our radar.
[17:17] * ShorTie puts on his tin foil hat
[17:18] <mpmc> Seeing others get banned is not nice to see :(
[17:19] <ReggieUK> unless you're an op
[17:19] <mpmc> I don't think any OP likes doing it either.
[17:19] <mpmc> unless they're mad with power.
[17:19] * ReggieUK cackles maniacally
[17:19] <johnc-> doesn't matter if you disagree with the rules (they are a bit silly sometimes), just gotta live with them if you wanna be in this channel (or others with similar rules)
[17:20] <gordonjcp> in another channel I'm in, everyone is opped all the time
[17:20] <gordonjcp> kickbanning people is seen as a friendly greeting
[17:20] <mpmc> O.O
[17:20] <IT_Sean> gordonjcp: lol. yeah that's nooooot gonna happen here.
[17:21] <gordonjcp> IT_Sean: it makes sense in context, we're even more horrible to each other in real life
[17:21] <IT_Sean> lol
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[17:21] <IT_Sean> is that channel on this server?
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[18:10] <x7ewis> Hey everyone!
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[18:11] <tig|> hey x7ewis
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[18:11] <x7ewis> Hi :) Do you know much Python?
[18:11] <Jeebiss> Is just typeing 'halt' sufficient for shutting down my pi?
[18:12] <x7ewis> I would like to try and achieve this: http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/1m1f52/beep_when_mentioned_on_twitter/
[18:13] <x7ewis> Jeebiss: just use poweroff
[18:13] <shiftplusone> Jeebiss, yes, if you wait for the green light to flash 10 times before unplugging power.
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[18:14] <x7ewis> How can I make my Pi play a sound through speakers, everytime I am mentioned on Twitter, or a particular hashtag is tweeted? Answer either here, or here: http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/1m1f52/beep_when_mentioned_on_twitter/ please, thanks!
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[18:16] <Phosie> o/
[18:16] <shiftplusone> hi
[18:16] <Jeebiss> hey guys
[18:16] <x7ewis> There's a pdf guide similar to what I'm asking here http://www.ocr.org.uk/Images/128312-recipe-card-twitter-led.pdf I don't know how to adapt it though
[18:17] <Phosie> I so wish my tablet had a tab key...
[18:17] <Xethron> We need mobile barcode scanning in our warehouses, and then updating information via an api, and making a noise to say its ok... I was thinking of using the Pi with a USB barcode scanner and wifi dongle, however, I need some sort of battery pack...
[18:17] <Xethron> What do you guys recommend?
[18:18] <shiftplusone> would something like a USB external battery sort of deal work?
[18:18] <shiftplusone> Like this kind here www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005NFOA0S/
[18:18] <Jeebiss> Those rechargable "emergency" chargers for phones
[18:19] <Jeebiss> would probably suffice
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[18:19] <tig|> Xethron: I have just used a standard USB battery pack but make sure you get one that do 1A output
[18:20] <Jusii> I just had pi running on a '10000mAh' for over ten hours with wifi
[18:20] <tig|> it seemed perfectly happy on one :)
[18:20] <Phosie> Oh nice
[18:20] <Jusii> it's one those dealextreme backup batteries
[18:21] <tig|> mine was a new trent brand one from amazon
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[18:21] <Kane> morning
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[18:23] <Phosie> Kane, morning
[18:23] <tig|> Xethron: you could do it with a pi, you might be better off with a cheap android phone though and using that as your hardware base as it would give you wifi, camera and battery pack out of the box
[18:23] <Kane> morning Phosie
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[18:24] <Phosie> Pda maybe? Its what i use at work
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[18:27] <Xethron> tig|: We tried android phones. Problem is the cammera vs a scanner. In low light it doesn't want to scan and we would have to increase the size of our barcodes (as cheap phones have cheap cameras). Whereas a real barcode scanner produces its own light and works in all enviroments
[18:28] <tig|> Xethron: ah right, sorry I just assumed you were using a webcam or csi camera :)
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[18:28] <Xethron> tig|: The problem is it will be idiots using it, and they need to scan between 50 and 200 barcodes as quickly as possible.
[18:28] <Xethron> tig|: ah, ok.
[18:28] <tig|> Xethron: so the design is to be luggable rather than pocketable :)
[18:29] <Xethron> tig|: Also, we will be building about 100 of these devices once we know how to do it, so cost is definitely a major issue. And keeping them charged. :P
[18:29] <EchoFox> what do you recommend for taking temperature data and plotting them to a graph in real time?
[18:30] <Xethron> Thinking of using some sort of Li-Ion battery, and maybe a wireless charging mat that they can be placed on...
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[18:31] <Phosie> Temp sensor and it shouldn't be too hard to write a bit of software for the graph echofox
[18:31] <shiftplusone> Xethron, wouldn't the scanning guns made for this exact purpose be a little cheaper and convenient once all the costs are added up?
[18:31] <tig|> Xethron: don't bother with wireless charging, although it works it is slow
[18:31] <Xethron> tig|: ah, ok, good point
[18:32] <Phosie> I was thinking that shiftplusone thats why i suggested a pda
[18:32] <shiftplusone> ah fair enough
[18:32] <tig|> Xethron: I bought a qi charger for my n4 the other day, and it works if I leave it on overnight but I can have it charged (or put half a battery load in) in about an hour with a wire :)
[18:33] <EchoFox> Phosie: i have everything set up and logging it. i just need to take the raw data and plot it
[18:33] <EchoFox> Phosie: hopefully via website.
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[18:33] <Phosie> Ah ok
[18:33] <Xethron> shiftplusone: the ones I found only connect to a PC, and beeps when they scan a barcode... I need to be able to make a sound if the task was successful. aka, if they scan a barcode and the server is slow, they won't know and just keep scanning
[18:34] <Xethron> shiftplusone: Oh, and they cost about twice as much as what I'm trying to do now :P
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[18:35] <shiftplusone> Fair enough, I suppose they are targeted at supermarkets and other terrible wasteful places, so they can add a massive mark-up
[18:35] <Xethron> shiftplusone: so I'll be using a standard wired scanning gun connected to a pi
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[18:35] <Xethron> instead of the bluetooth ones
[18:35] <Xethron> and then the pi can have a speaker out
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[18:36] <Xethron> to make some sound if the operation was successful
[18:36] <Phosie> Or a buzzer connected to gpio
[18:36] <Phosie> A bit cheaper
[18:36] <Xethron> ah
[18:36] * Xethron googles gpio
[18:36] <Phosie> The pins on your pi
[18:36] <x7ewis> Someone help me here please http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/1m1f52/beep_when_mentioned_on_twitter/
[18:36] <Jeebiss> Hmm wonder what the chances of my 2 dollar use sound card working with my pi are lol
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[18:37] <Xethron> Phosie: ah, sweet. Yeah, sounds like a better idea
[18:38] <Phosie> Really easy to use :-)
[18:38] <Xethron> Phosie: I'll be running a python script on it. I can control them with Python?
[18:39] <Phosie> You can
[18:39] <Phosie> You just use a library
[18:39] <Xethron> great
[18:40] <Phosie> One line sets them as input or output, the other sets it on or off
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[18:51] <Jeebiss> Im really new to python here, what is an easy way to output something, so i know if something has worked?
[18:52] <Jeebiss> I was going to do a blinking led, but i dont have female header jumpers
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[18:53] <Phosie> Do you have a screen Jeebiss ?
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[18:54] <Phosie> Or are you running headleas
[18:54] <Jeebiss> I have a screen
[18:55] <Phosie> Then you can use the print command
[18:55] <shiftplusone> You could repurpose the green 'acct' LED on the pi. But I don't know how to prevent SD activity interfering.
[18:55] <Phosie> Print 'it worked!'
[18:55] <Jeebiss> ah thats simple enough
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[18:57] <chris_99> also this may be of interest to you Jeebiss http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/python/
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[18:58] <Jeebiss> oh, nice link ch
[18:58] <Jeebiss> err chris_99*
[18:59] <Jeebiss> wow, python is a lot more different from java then i thought it would be
[18:59] <chris_99> heh
[18:59] <Phosie> "Pig drinks 18 pints and has fight with cow" umm...
[19:00] <shiftplusone> And thank god for that
[19:00] <shiftplusone> That python is not like java... not the pig-cow fighting.
[19:00] <Phosie> Lmao sorry
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[19:00] <chris_99> i wish python's threading was like Javas
[19:01] <chris_99> in the sense that it uses real threads
[19:01] <Phosie> Python is just like java, in the sense that i know very little of both
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[19:04] <Vostok> my history of attending programming courses at the university tells you about the differences between python and java
[19:04] <Vostok> i've taken five java courses and one python course
[19:04] <Vostok> i can do all sorts of cool stuff on python, and i wouldn't say i know anything about java
[19:05] <Jeebiss> what is the python file extention?
[19:05] <chris_99> .py
[19:05] <Vostok> .py
[19:05] <Jeebiss> oh thanks :)
[19:05] <Vostok> but i'm not really sure the extension matters
[19:06] <Jeebiss> Gah, anyone know what just a couple of my keyboard characters would be wrong?
[19:06] <Jeebiss> shift-3 makes the english pound sign
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[19:06] <Jeebiss> and shift-' makes a @
[19:06] <Jeebiss> :S
[19:06] <shiftplusone> terrible default locale
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[19:06] <shiftplusone> run raspi-config and fix it
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[19:07] <Phosie> Oops
[19:07] <IT_Sean> Jeebiss: you are on a UK keyboard layout!
[19:07] <Jeebiss> lol
[19:07] <IT_Sean> change your local to US, or wherever you are.
[19:07] <Jeebiss> en_US?
[19:07] <IT_Sean> If you are using an English US keyboard, then yes.
[19:08] <Phosie> Yes
[19:08] <gordonjcp> I love how raspbian is UK English throughout
[19:08] <Jeebiss> okay, thanks again
[19:08] * IT_Sean slaps Jeebiss with a bucket of £s
[19:08] <gordonjcp> serves everyone in the US right, for assuming everyone uses US "English"
[19:08] <gordonjcp> forcing their weird patois on people
[19:08] <chris_99> heh
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[19:08] <shiftplusone> Nothing to do with US English... but hell of a lot more of the world uses the US layout than the UK layout.
[19:09] <Vostok> i use the scandinavian layout
[19:09] <shiftplusone> Though they should make dvorak default, for extra fun.
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[19:09] <Jeebiss> hmmm
[19:10] <Jeebiss> how do i actually select the locale
[19:10] <Jeebiss> i have the marker on it
[19:10] <shiftplusone> space
[19:10] <Jeebiss> but i can move to <OK>
[19:10] <shiftplusone> spaaaace!
[19:10] <Jeebiss> oh, sweet
[19:10] <shiftplusone> space
[19:10] <Phosie> Lol
[19:10] <Jeebiss> i got it
[19:10] <Jeebiss> haha
[19:10] <chris_99> the last frontier you say shiftplusone
[19:10] <shiftplusone> ah, just making sure =)
[19:11] <e2k> what could cause omxplayer to suddenly start performing poorly? I used to have very smooth playback on 1080p videos with the same setup (from external usb hdd with own power), but no when I play the same video, the sound glitches and video seems slow-motion :O
[19:11] <e2k> (running on arch arm)
[19:11] <shiftplusone> e2k, did you buy any codecs?
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[19:11] <Phosie> Linux really confused me at first when i tried to enter a password
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[19:11] <e2k> shiftplusone: no.. and the same video worked well a couple weeks ago
[19:12] <shiftplusone> Phosie, because of the no echo thing?
[19:12] <Phosie> Yeah
[19:12] <shiftplusone> e2k, no idea then... that's odd.
[19:12] <Phosie> "Its not letting me type!"
[19:14] <Jeebiss> gah wtf
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[19:14] <alanhoff> how to disable NOOB from running on startup?
[19:14] <Jeebiss> i still cant make double quotes
[19:15] <shiftplusone> alanhoff, can't... you'd have to install using a different method (writing the image you want directly)
[19:15] <Phosie> shiftplusone, been wondering this for a while, are you on EEVblog?
[19:15] <alanhoff> shiftplusone, k thx
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[19:15] <shiftplusone> Phosie, referring to the multimeter giveaway thing?
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[19:15] <Phosie> I just recall seeing your username there... I think
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[19:15] <shiftplusone> alanhoff, actually, I may be wrong... maybe you can tweak the boot partition to boot the OS instead of the other thing.... In fact, that's definitely the case.
[19:16] <alanhoff> shiftplusone, you know some tutorial?
[19:16] <shiftplusone> Phosie, I haven't been active on there for years, but yup.
[19:16] <shiftplusone> alanhoff, nope, I'd have to poke around to figure it out, but I am a bit busy =(
[19:17] <alanhoff> shiftplusone, no problem, thx for the light :)
[19:17] <shiftplusone> np
[19:17] <shiftplusone> If you haven't spent long configuring it and setting things up, it may make sense to just write the OS you want without NOOBS.
[19:17] <alanhoff> sure, I will take a look in that
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[19:31] <Jeebiss> how do i open the 'start' menu of the gui on a keyboard
[19:31] <Jeebiss> i accidently started the gui, and i have no mouse lol
[19:32] <IT_Sean> i think it's the meta key?
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[19:32] <IT_Sean> don't quote me on that, though.
[19:32] <Phosie> Meta key?
[19:32] <Jeebiss> Meta key?
[19:32] <shiftplusone> <IT_Sean> i think it's the meta key?
[19:32] <shiftplusone> It may be meta key + something else
[19:32] <Jusii> ctrl-alt-Fx gets you back to console
[19:32] <Jusii> then just kill kill kill!
[19:33] <Phosie> Thats why i like i3 on my netbook, all keyboard shortcuts
[19:33] <Jusii> ctrl-alt-backspace might kill X also
[19:33] <Phosie> Looks horrible on the pi
[19:34] <shiftplusone> Jeebiss, have you tries "alt + f1" or "alt + esc' ?
[19:35] <Jeebiss> i ended up just switching consoles and powering off lol
[19:35] <shiftplusone> k
[19:36] <Jeebiss> im off to work, thanks for all the help :)
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[19:57] <pksato> new toy to rpi: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter
[19:58] <IT_Sean> so... you got a wifi adapter?
[19:58] <pksato> yes
[19:58] <IT_Sean> whoopti doo
[19:59] <pksato> but, erro on my desktop: phy0 -> rt2800usb_init_eeprom: Error - Invalid RT chipset detected.
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[20:03] <pksato> and a: ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC
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[20:22] <pksato> now, how to use this FT245RL usb i/o module? :)
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[20:35] <alanhoff> someone know if I can enable webgl is raspberry?
[20:36] <shiftplusone> don't know, but doubt it.
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[20:36] <pothibo> it will be slow as hell
[20:36] <alanhoff> I need to render a simple chart
[20:37] <alanhoff> but pure JS is very slow
[20:37] <pothibo> why not use d3.js and svg?
[20:37] <alanhoff> Do you think that it will be faster than GPU?
[20:37] <pothibo> you don't have much ram to start with
[20:38] <shiftplusone> I expect that you'd have some porting to do, if you want it to run on the GPU.
[20:38] <saik0> Is there any way to netboot an rpi (chainloading from sd is fine)
[20:38] <pothibo> so I'm guessing that even if you dump the texture on the GPU it will speed upu calcultion, but you will still hit the RAM's limit
[20:38] <pothibo> I don't think the GPU has it's own memory in a rPi
[20:38] <shiftplusone> saik0, would the kernel be on the sd card?
[20:39] <shiftplusone> saik0, if so, an NFS root will work just fine.
[20:39] <pothibo> Screw me. Power supply blew up decide to give opensprinkler pi a go, waste 1 hour reinstalling everything: OpenSprinkler doesn't work for ****
[20:40] <saik0> shiftplusone: perferably not, was hoping for something like iPXE
[20:40] <alanhoff> I won't load textures, just simple lines, a small realtime chart (cardiogram)
[20:40] <shiftplusone> saik0, do you need 'media' features like the GPU for anything other than the framebuffer?
[20:40] <saik0> but most of the information i've found form searching is > 1 year old
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[20:41] <shiftplusone> saik0, the only way I can think of is kexec, but there are issues and I haven't tried it in about a year. There's u-boot, but I am not sure what it's functionality is. I would be surprised if it could entboot.
[20:41] <shiftplusone> *netboot.
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[21:34] <CeilingKitten> shiftplusone, i believe uboot was part of the process of porting FreeBSD ...
[21:35] <shiftplusone> So I am guessing they didn't bother getting any of the usb or ethernet magic working?
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[21:41] <pothibo> where do you guys buy your 5v power supply from?
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[21:41] <shiftplusone> the bag of assorted adapters in the garage
[21:43] <pothibo> can't believe I blew up 2 power supply this morning...
[21:43] <plugwash> The same places I buy other electronic bits from, farnell, RS, rapid etc
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[21:43] <shiftplusone> pothibo, do you know why?
[21:43] <pothibo> no...
[21:43] <tig|> pothibo: either amazon but don't buy the cheap ones, ones that came with proper kit ie kindles, smartphones etc
[21:43] <pothibo> I'll use a surge protector from now on
[21:43] <shiftplusone> or were they just cheap terrible ones?
[21:43] <pothibo> I believe it was a cheap crap
[21:43] <shiftplusone> yeah, fair enough
[21:44] <pothibo> and the second welll…. I made a mistake..
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[21:44] <tig|> pothibo: if in the uk the pimori usb hub looks like a good option
[21:44] <pothibo> Ca
[21:44] <pothibo> :(
[21:44] <tig|> they launched it today it is a USB hub with a 3A supply
[21:44] <tig|> so could power a pi and everything you would ever need
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[21:45] <tig|> or 3 pis providing you don't connect them back to the hub as a host :)
[21:45] <pothibo> I would prefer 4a :(
[21:45] <jhoffmann> google shows 0 results for 'pimori usb hub'
[21:45] <pothibo> well actually… 3a would be enough, I don't have enough water to turn them all on
[21:45] * plugwash might consider buying power supplies from amazon themselves, I wouldn't buy them from third party sellers on amazon
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[21:45] <plugwash> too much chance of getting dangerous rubbish that way
[21:46] <tig|> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pihub
[21:46] <tig|> jhoffmann: that is because I can never spell pimoroni correctly :)
[21:46] <pothibo> well power supply ain't easy to find tb
[21:46] <pothibo> tbh*
[21:46] <jhoffmann> nice specs, dislike the shape though :D
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[21:47] <pothibo> amazon doesn't have a lot of power suppluy for 5v
[21:48] <pksato> http://dx.com/p/5v-2a-regulated-switching-power-supply-110-220v-94518
[21:48] <mgottschlag> http://www.amazon.de/AmazonBasics-USB-Netzstecker-Ladegerät-Output-EU-Stecker/dp/B008VSMD08/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1378756067&sr=8-7&keywords=basics+charger
[21:48] <mgottschlag> oops
[21:48] <mgottschlag> http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Wall-Charger-Outlet-Output/dp/B005CG2ATQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378756103&sr=8-1&keywords=amazon+basics+charger
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[21:49] <mgottschlag> (no idea what the quality is of course)
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[21:50] <pothibo> and I'm in north america ;)
[21:50] <jhoffmann> the best america
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[21:50] <mgottschlag> heh, the second link was the same, but not in german :p
[21:50] <pothibo> french canadian
[21:50] <mgottschlag> ah
[21:51] <jhoffmann> ah, too bad
[21:51] <mgottschlag> well, the comments don't read too good anyways
[21:51] <pksato> search PSU on CCTV stores.
[21:52] <jhoffmann> how does a 2.1A charger not charge a Nexus 7?
[21:52] <tig|> jhoffmann: if the usb lead is rubbish
[21:52] <jhoffmann> weird
[21:52] <mgottschlag> I bet the nexus expects proper charger protocols
[21:52] <tig|> jhoffmann: I have a N7 and I have a couple of cables that just won't cut it
[21:53] <tig|> mgottschlag: it isn't that ime but some cables are so badly made they just won't carry the current
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[21:59] <pksato> 5mm hard drive http://www.zdnet.com/seagate-launches-500gb-hard-drive-for-tablets-blurs-pc-lines-7000020403/
[21:59] <ninharp> is there a possibility to use the pi's audio out as an audio input?
[21:59] <shiftplusone> ninharp, none at all
[22:00] <ninharp> *sigh*
[22:00] <ninharp> so i had to use usb ...
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[22:00] <shiftplusone> yeah, usb is the simplest option
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[22:01] <jhoffmann> pksato: i love how websites still explain hard drive sizes in scale of 'photos and songs'
[22:01] <ninharp> but for my application i think its overstated
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[22:01] <shiftplusone> heh
[22:01] <ninharp> hmm is there a i2a solution for that?
[22:02] <ninharp> the raspi should receive data packages (1200baud) from a radio scanner and push it to an pc
[22:03] <pksato> jhoffmann: only 100000 photos? and about movies? :)
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[22:03] <plugwash> i2s is certainly possible on the Pi, dunno how hard it is to get working though
[22:03] <jhoffmann> 100000 photos? who stores photos on disk anymore?
[22:03] <shiftplusone> O_O
[22:03] <shiftplusone> where else would you store them?
[22:04] <jhoffmann> cloud?
[22:04] <shiftplusone> ew
[22:04] <mgottschlag> +1
[22:04] <unpopsicle> jesus christ
[22:04] <jhoffmann> dropbox, Copy, etc.
[22:04] <pksato> facebook, instagram
[22:04] <jhoffmann> redtube
[22:04] <jhoffmann> flickr
[22:04] <unpopsicle> jhoffmann: I have hdd's full of raw photographs from my dslr
[22:04] <unpopsicle> jhoffmann: they have to no right to be in the cloud
[22:04] <jhoffmann> yes, but you're not your average consumer then
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[22:05] <unpopsicle> of course I am
[22:05] <shiftplusone> sure he is
[22:05] <unpopsicle> its a consumer cmsera
[22:05] <unpopsicle> *camera
[22:05] <jhoffmann> if you're storing RAW photos on a disk, you probably understand better that 500GB != 100k RAW photos
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[22:05] <unpopsicle> jhoffmann: it doesn't have that many megapixels so its only 5mb a raw
[22:06] <jhoffmann> that's my point though, you understand mb, why does zdnet need to explain it to you in songs and photos?
[22:06] <unpopsicle> they probably resize them
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[22:07] <unpopsicle> google music reencodes your music after you upload it
[22:07] <jhoffmann> thats not the point :0
[22:07] <mgottschlag> in any case, I wouldn't upload anything as private as my photo albums anywhere :)
[22:07] <jhoffmann> s0/)
[22:07] <mgottschlag> except if it is encrypted
[22:07] <unpopsicle> mgottschlag: I only ever upload stuff I want to share, and even then in limited sizes if in the public domain
[22:08] <mgottschlag> and a local harddisk usually is much more userfriendly than encrypted dropbox :)
[22:08] <unpopsicle> the best way to win a legal argument over photograph ownership is to have a larger original
[22:08] <jhoffmann> well, no, since dropbox just mirrors stuff between local disks (on desktop machines anyways)
[22:09] <unpopsicle> jhoffmann: You don't think dropbox shares anything, you know they wouldn't tell you, its all gag-ordered nowadays
[22:09] <jhoffmann> they can share pictures of my penis with as many people as they want
[22:10] <shiftplusone> jhoffmann, this isn't the channel for that.
[22:10] <jhoffmann> well i thought we were headed towards a privacy debate, i nipped it in the bud :D
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[22:11] <mgottschlag> heh, until now, google image doesn't know how I look yet :)
[22:11] <mgottschlag> and I don't many other services have any imformation like that
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[22:12] <mgottschlag> in a time where automatic image recognition is as far is it is now, I don't want any such information out there if it can be avoided
[22:12] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, pretty sure I have stumbled upon your info somewhere. You look kinda like a tall nerdy german guy, don't you?
[22:12] <mgottschlag> indeed :p
[22:12] <shiftplusone> well... there you go, heh
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[22:41] <local> hello everybody. I am running a 16GB card on my RPi Mod.B (512MB model) and I would like to have more harddisk space. What is the maximum capacity for USB stick available and compatible for the RPi? is there a list of certified USB sticks that work 100% ?
[22:42] <shiftplusone> there's no limit
[22:42] <shiftplusone> no practical limit anyway
[22:42] <local> does any USB stick available on the market work with RPi ? No issues/bugs etc. ? I am asking because not every SDHC is working fine on the RPi's.
[22:43] <shiftplusone> I can't say with 100% certainty
[22:43] <shiftplusone> I am sure 99% of usb stick will work just fine
[22:43] <ShorTie> i would think it more depends on the linux drivers for the device
[22:43] <ShorTie> more then the rPi
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[22:44] <shiftplusone> mass storage devices are fairly generic so...
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[22:44] <unpopsicle> if it was fat there would be a limit
[22:44] <unpopsicle> oh god remember fat thumb drives?
[22:44] <ajf> Having trouble with X11 forwarding
[22:44] <unpopsicle> those were the days
[22:45] <shiftplusone> ajf, did you gedit sshd_config (not ssh_config) ?
[22:45] <shiftplusone> *edit
[22:45] <ajf> PuTTY has it turned on, pointing to localhost:0:0), not disabled in sshd config, I have Xming running on localhost:0:0, but
[22:45] <ajf> ajf@raspberrypi ~ $ midori &
[22:45] <ajf> [1] 3627
[22:45] <ajf> ajf@raspberrypi ~ $ Midori - Cannot open display:
[22:45] <shiftplusone> what's the output of echo $DISPLAY ?
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[22:46] <ajf> blank
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[22:46] <shiftplusone> then it's a pi-side problem
[22:46] <shiftplusone> check the logs
[22:46] <ajf> which?
[22:46] <shiftplusone> idk... whatever looks relevant in /var/log
[22:47] <unpopsicle> open all the log files!
[22:47] <shiftplusone> Actually is there an option to get verbose output to the ssh client?
[22:47] <ajf> is the problem possibly that I don't have the GUI running on the pi?
[22:48] <shiftplusone> ajf, no, shouldn't make any difference at all.
[22:48] <local> does RPi recognize also USB 3.0 sticks? or should I take a 2.0 ?
[22:48] <unpopsicle> ajf: iirc you had to run like startx midori or something
[22:48] <unpopsicle> local: usb 3.0?! on a $30 computer?!
[22:48] <shiftplusone> unpopsicle, nope. He's nowhere near that stage yet.
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[22:49] <ajf> maybe I should try another app?
[22:49] <unpopsicle> another app?
[22:49] <ajf> something other than midori
[22:50] <shiftplusone> ajf, no, it won't work.
[22:50] <pksato> local: if stick have back compatibilty for usb 2.0, yes, it work on Rpi.
[22:50] <ShadowJK> usb3 claims to be backwards compatible, so...
[22:50] <shiftplusone> ajf, if x11 forwarding worked at all, your DISPLAY variable would be already set up
[22:50] <unpopsicle> midori is the best lightweight browser I think
[22:51] <mgottschlag> ajf: how does your ssh call look?
[22:51] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, he's using putty
[22:51] <ajf> mgorbach: Using PuTTY. Settings work for connecting to my VPS with x forwarding.
[22:51] <local> pksato & unpopsicle : thanks. So I will look for a USB stick about 128GB, that should be enough for my needs. Can u prefer something special or can I pick anyone?
[22:51] <mgottschlag> oh
[22:51] * linuxstb wonders what the point of running midori over a remote X11 session is, instead of just a local browser
[22:51] <ajf> linuxstb: to test if X11 works
[22:51] <ajf> :P
[22:51] <unpopsicle> wouldnt it be easier to use some vnc software?
[22:51] <shiftplusone> no
[22:51] <ajf> would rather not
[22:51] <shiftplusone> x11 forwarding is as easy
[22:52] <ajf> as pi
[22:52] <ajf> ;)
[22:52] <shiftplusone> (when it works)
[22:52] <unpopsicle> I got vnc working once and that was pretty dead simple to setup
[22:52] <mgottschlag> hm, I've never seen that a highlight towards mgorbach was intentional :)
[22:52] <mgottschlag> *yet
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[22:52] <ajf> what terminal program does rpi use?
[22:52] <unpopsicle> bash
[22:52] <shiftplusone> lxterminal
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[22:54] <ajf> yup, doesn't work
[22:54] <shiftplusone> 'course not
[22:54] <ajf> yeah
[22:54] <ajf> X11Forwarding yes
[22:54] <ajf> X11DisplayOffset 10
[22:54] <ajf> Is there anything wrong with that?
[22:54] <shiftplusone> what's the filename?
[22:55] <ajf> hm?
[22:55] <ajf> oh, /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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[22:55] <local> as the RPi only has FastEthernet interface (100MBit/s which is equal to theoritically about 12 MB/sec) would it make sense to choose a USB stick which supports 60MB/sec read/write speed?? I am kinda confused
[22:55] <shiftplusone> be very careful to make sure it's not actually ssh_config
[22:55] <ajf> it's not
[22:55] <shiftplusone> ajf, did you reload sshd?
[22:55] <unpopsicle> local: don't forget overhead
[22:56] <ajf> shiftplusone: I didn't edit the config, but I'll try
[22:56] <unpopsicle> local: and the fact the ethernet + usb share the same 480mbit usb hub
[22:56] <local> unpopsicle: what you mean? can you be more precise, i am sorried I didnt understand. I dont know how much overhead is used and how it works
[22:56] <shiftplusone> ajf, ah. it was on by default =S ?
[22:56] <ajf> yeah
[22:56] <shiftplusone> hm... go figure.
[22:56] <unpopsicle> local: I think you cut off like 10% for tcp overhead and the liks
[22:56] <shiftplusone> Then I recommend either trying to get more verbose output or going through the log files
[22:56] <unpopsicle> *likkes
[22:56] <unpopsicle> *likes
[22:56] <local> unpopsicle: I am asking because I am about to choose a good USB stick about 128GB which I want to order
[22:57] <local> and theres a lot around :p
[22:57] <unpopsicle> local: you wouldnt even reach half 60mb/s if both your ethernet and usb are both maxing out
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[22:57] <local> unpopsicle: what is a good read/write speed for USB, what do you suggest me to pick ?
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[22:58] <local> I did mean: for a USB stick in conjunction with my RPi
[22:58] <unpopsicle> local: I'd go with one thats verified to work on the wiki
[22:58] <local> is there a Wiki with verified USB sticks ??
[22:58] <local> oh
[22:58] <shiftplusone> local, wouldn't you hit the bandwidth limit of the usb bus before anything else?
[22:59] <local> shiftplusone: I dont know, I am not an expert and do not know much about the usb bus bandwidth. That's why I joined in here and tried to ask the pro's :)
[22:59] <unpopsicle> yeah the pi makes for a terrible nas
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[22:59] <local> hmmm
[23:00] <unpopsicle> local: imagine the ethernet port isnt actually a proper ethernet port but actually a usb ethernet port
[23:00] <local> unpopsicle: ok
[23:00] <shiftplusone> imagine?
[23:00] <ajf> local: then realise that's how it actually is
[23:00] <shiftplusone> that's exactly what it is >_<
[23:00] <linuxstb> And imagine the usb port as not really a usb port ;)
[23:00] <ajf> but a usb port usb port
[23:00] <local> ok , so both: NIC and USB-stick are sharing ONE bus ?
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[23:01] <shiftplusone> local, if you imagined it right
[23:01] <shiftplusone> yes
[23:01] <local> if I would attach a USB-stick, and i would do a rsync/copy or similar, what speed will I be able to achieve as maximum ?
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[23:01] <shiftplusone> might have to try and see
[23:02] <local> I never tried before, because never attached a USB stick onto it. Maybe anyone can tell me?
[23:02] <pksato> local: not fast enough. :)
[23:02] <local> pksato: in numbers?
[23:02] <PhotoJim> depends on the stick's speed, and from where the other data comes.
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[23:02] <PhotoJim> but the USB bus is capable of about 440Mbps theoretical (300 Mbps real world) total throughput.
[23:03] <PhotoJim> Ethernet would use up to 100 Mbps of that throughput (200 if it was fully used in both directions).
[23:03] <local> PhotoJim: let's assume it comes from a computer connected with a cross-over LAN cable directly onto the Rpi
[23:03] <unpopsicle> local: usb 2 bus has a theoretical max of 480mbit
[23:03] <pksato> local: I have a 8gb stick, it take arround 40min to transfer 1GB.
[23:04] <PhotoJim> err, yes, 480 not 440. but real world probably 300.
[23:04] <local> ah ok
[23:04] <local> well
[23:04] <PhotoJim> so you have roughly 30 MB/s of total capacity. so assuming neither end is the major bottleneck, figure about 15 MB/s max. throughput.
[23:04] <pksato> if you need some speed, use external usb hard disk.
[23:05] <PhotoJim> if it's coming from Ethernet, a little slower. and that depends how you rsync. if you're rsyncing over ssh there's encryption so it will be slower.
[23:05] <pksato> or, really fast and expensive usb flash stick.
[23:05] <unpopsicle> most thumbdrives would be able to handle 15mb/s for large files, small files are iffy
[23:06] <unpopsicle> local: if you're planning to use your pi as a nas you'd be saving yourself some headache by just throwing down the money for a dedicated nas
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[23:07] <PhotoJim> which would likely have GigE.
[23:07] <ShadowJK> local; one big file or many small files?
[23:08] <ShadowJK> For small files I would recommend Sandisk Cruzer Blade. Only one I know of that doesn't suck horrible for small files.
[23:09] <pksato> I have one of these sandisk.
[23:10] <PhotoJim> if you want to run a server, I agree, USB disks will give better performance in general.
[23:10] <shiftplusone> ajf, found the problem yet?
[23:10] <PhotoJim> and more space.
[23:10] <local> unpopsicle, ShadowJK: I do not intend to use my RPi as a NAS for serving media files or similar (like most people use it as a media server). I want to use it with rsync or better said with UNISON to sync various data (owncloud, DMS system, etc.). The access is rare, I would say per week I add files about 50MB roughly said)
[23:10] <pksato> ID 0781:5567 SanDisk Corp. Cruzer Blade
[23:11] <unpopsicle> local: so multiple users streaming? :|
[23:11] <unpopsicle> oh wait I misread that
[23:11] <local> pksato: just attached my SanDisk 16GB onto the RPi to do some checks ;) Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0781:5571 SanDisk Corp.
[23:11] <ajf> shiftplusone: no
[23:11] <shiftplusone> nice =/
[23:11] <local> unpopsicle: no multiple users
[23:12] <ajf> I'm appealing for help in #debian too, on the off chance Debian folks would know
[23:12] <ajf> I know Raspbian isn't plain Debian, but eh
[23:12] <pksato> testing it with bonnie++ (on linux desktop)
[23:12] <shiftplusone> ajf, this is a very generic issue so any channel is fine.
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[23:13] <local> unpopsicle: I am using the RPi for a backup device which is located on a different location. Imagine I have 4 RPI's in 4 different countries (just as an example). I want to mirror my data on these 4 RPi's, so I have a backup in case of failures/lost data, or similar.
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[23:13] <local> pksato: yes, bonnie++ and netio are my tools I am doing such tests (for net bandwith tests and hd performance benchmarks)
[23:13] <tig|> local: I take it you are using at least two drives of different makes with each pi
[23:14] <local> tig|: didnt understand what you mean, I am sorrid. english is not my native language thats why I didnt catch. What did u mean?
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[23:15] <tig|> local: well if you are using a pi as a backup device then you would want to have at least two copies of the data with each device, doing RAID is probably not an option but if you don't duplicate the data per node you are spending a lot of money for not much resilience
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[23:16] <tig|> and you would use different hardware per node to help guard against issues with specific hardware combinations
[23:16] <pksato> local: use some cloud service.
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[23:17] <tig|> then you have a greater chance of getting one sane copy of the data
[23:17] <tig|> but by this point you might be better off using a third party service with decent morals, encryption and legal system
[23:17] <tig|> so nothing in the US :)
[23:17] <local> tig|: Listen, I have 4 RPi's. I just want to mirror/backup the data which is stored on the USB stick. So I would like to buy 4x same USB stick and use it on my RPi's. As I am syncing with Unison (or rsync) I don't bother of which hardware my RPi's have. Am I wrong?
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[23:18] <unpopsicle> local: sounds fine to me
[23:19] <local> imagine I attach a USB stick on the RPi, and do a "mkdir /usbdata && mount /dev/sda /usbdata" Then I will keep this /usbdata directory in sync with the other RPi's
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> local: other than Mac address, there is no difference
[23:19] <local> I don't care about hardware, I just want to sync/mirror my USB content, nothing else.
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[23:19] <unpopsicle> local: you should attach some thermite to be triggered by the gpio so you can remotely erase the data incase their location is compromised
[23:19] <tig|> local: it would work but it depends on what you are trying to achive, rpis are awesome but they are only little computers, it all depends on what you want to do with them, I wouldn't use them for storing critical data unless I had a proper backup plan
[23:20] <tig|> but that is the same as any other hardware
[23:20] <local> unpopsicle: sounds nice, although I have no fear about that (no sensitive data to do that, although I dont want to loose it) but --> I would like to read more about that. Can you provide a link with information about that?
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[23:21] <unpopsicle> local: I was kidding
[23:21] <tig|> local: if the data doesn't change often then rsync will be fine
[23:21] <unpopsicle> I do not know how one would obtain or create thermite >.>
[23:21] <local> tig|: it's not as critical as you think. It's just an extra security. RPi's are cheap and flexible. Of course I have my sensitive data stored on "bare metals" or VMs, backed up with a good scheme and secured fine
[23:22] <local> unpopsicle: oh :)
[23:22] <tig|> local: infact I seem to remember a foss project where it worked on file copies across many devices
[23:23] <local> unpopsicle: I was asking, because I have red about tools which can do that (similar to what you described , hehe
[23:23] <unpopsicle> local: cool
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[23:28] * ozzzy just got an Edimax network dongle thingy... so simple to get going
[23:29] <ajf> Turns out it was my fault. "localhost:0:0" worked as config for VPS, but not for raspberry Pi.
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[23:29] <unpopsicle> ajf: pebkac :)
[23:29] <local> tig|: there are many ways you can do. I would also like to experiment on my RPi's with DRBD clustering file systems)
[23:30] <ajf> no, wait. I mis-typed a colon as a semicolon. ah.
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[23:30] <ajf> so localhost:0;0 is fine, but not localhost:0:0
[23:30] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[23:30] <ajf> yup
[23:31] <ajf> now, is it possible to spawn the shell from bash?
[23:31] <shiftplusone> sure, just run lxterminal
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[23:31] <ajf> I mean the sort of desktop environment
[23:32] <unpopsicle> ick
[23:32] <shiftplusone> ah try lxsession
[23:32] <ajf> wow, it works
[23:32] <ajf> no taskbar, though
[23:32] <shiftplusone> huzzah
[23:32] <ajf> any idea what it's called?
[23:33] <shiftplusone> going out on a limb here, but maybe lxpanel
[23:33] <ajf> yup
[23:33] <ajf> you're right
[23:33] <unpopsicle> and then you ralise lxde is ugly and install xfce
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[23:33] <ajf> now I have a Windows taskbar and a Pi taxbar
[23:33] <unpopsicle> *realise
[23:33] <ajf> unpopsicle: Oh, you can do that? :D
[23:34] <local> can anyone provide a link for verified USB sticks ? I found the link http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals but I cannot find information about USB sticks
[23:34] <shiftplusone> then realise they are both too heavy for the pi and don't use X. >.>
[23:34] <unpopsicle> yes I agree shiftplusone
[23:35] <unpopsicle> pis are good for background stuff
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[23:35] <ajf> "need to get 314MB of archives"
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[23:35] <ajf> er, maybe not :3
[23:35] <unpopsicle> ajf: try installing bluetooth, thats like 200mb
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[23:36] <ajf> whoa
[23:36] <ajf> why?
[23:36] <unpopsicle> bluetooth is magic
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[23:36] <ajf> Also, uh, I am admittedly not a linux m@st0r. How can I make a program run in the background beyond my session?
[23:36] <ajf> I suppose I could cheat and use screen
[23:37] <unpopsicle> ajf: daemons are what they're called
[23:37] <shiftplusone> that's not cheating O_o That's kind of a major point of screen.
[23:37] <ajf> unpopsicle: I know, I just want to run lxpanel and quit PuTT-
[23:37] <ajf> Oh.
[23:37] <unpopsicle> I love my gnu screen, some say tmux is better though
[23:37] * ajf facepalms herself
[23:38] <ajf> OK that was pretty stupid of me
[23:38] <ajf> X11 isn't going to forward itself!
[23:38] <shiftplusone> nope...
[23:38] <unpopsicle> ajf: fullscreen it to take away the distraction?
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[23:41] <ajf> unpopsicle: nah, just minimising it is fine
[23:41] <ajf> also, hey, lxpanel can be de-uglified in 3 easy steps!
[23:41] <ajf> 1) right-click, click panel settings
[23:41] <ajf> 2) click appearance
[23:41] <ajf> 3) check "system theme"
[23:41] <shiftplusone> Ooh...ahh. Should try that some time then.
[23:42] <ajf> That said, I can't remember what the Pi system theme looks like, I'm just seeing what my primitive X server's theme looks like
[23:42] <ajf> so beware
[23:43] <shiftplusone> it should use the same theme as on the pi.... that's where all the pixels are coming from after all
[23:43] <ozzzy> I never use a gui
[23:45] <ajf> shiftplusone: It doesn't though. Since X11 works with commands, not pixels, I think.
[23:45] <shiftplusone> ajf, traditionally. From what I understand of X11, that's not so much the case nowadays.
[23:45] <unpopsicle> ajf: whats the latency like?
[23:45] <ajf> not bad
[23:46] <ajf> since it's on my ethernet
[23:46] <unpopsicle> how long until someone invents a wireless monitor standard I wonder
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[23:47] <ozzzy> I'm amazed that Apple hasn't... they're the ones that ran a monitor on SCSI
[23:48] <shiftplusone> Has apple invented anything recently?
[23:48] <tig|> unpopsicle: already done
[23:48] <unpopsicle> shiftplusone: they invented an expensive trashcan
[23:48] <ajf> So, guess why I got my Pi out and wanted X11 working?
[23:48] <tig|> unpopsicle: the wifi consortium have one already
[23:49] <unpopsicle> tig|: any working models?
[23:49] <tig|> unpopsicle: yeah it is called miracast
[23:49] <tig|> already baked into recent android phones and tablets
[23:49] <shiftplusone> ajf, if I didn't know better I'd guess that you wanted to run some X11 applications remotely. >.>
[23:49] <plugwash> iirc there is already a standard for wireless monitors in the 60GHz band
[23:50] <plugwash> but iirc noones actually building it in at the moment, you have to use seperate converter boxes to go from HDMI to wireless and back to HDMI
[23:50] <ajf> shiftplusone: I'm stuck on Windows which is awful for development of any open-source unix project... and 700MHz is awful but development will be easier than on Windows!
[23:50] <unpopsicle> ajf: vm?
[23:50] <shiftplusone> ajf, why not use a vm then?
[23:51] <shiftplusone> yeah, that.
[23:51] <ajf> No hardware support :(
[23:52] <shiftplusone> hm
[23:52] <unpopsicle> hardware support hardly matters for a desktop
[23:52] <ajf> No, it does
[23:52] <ajf> it's horribly slow to use a VM
[23:53] <unpopsicle> I'd used virtualbox for years before they offered any hardware support, I'm not even sure if they do now
[23:53] <ajf> It's *required* for x64
[23:53] <ajf> Er, x64 client OSes
[23:54] <unpopsicle> your oss project requires 4gb of ram?
[23:54] <ajf> I don't know :3
[23:54] <unpopsicle> so why x32?
[23:54] <unpopsicle> *why not
[23:54] <ajf> That's not the reason
[23:55] <ajf> Just pointing it out
[23:56] <shiftplusone> ajf, and the setup you have now is less painful than just using cygwin or mingw? =/
[23:56] <ajf> We'll see :P
[23:56] <shiftplusone> good luck
[23:56] <ajf> Well, actually, I can't use MingW
[23:56] <tig|> cygwin is never the answer :)
[23:57] <shiftplusone> It's a shame colinux doesn't support x64 =( it was awesome.
[23:58] <tig|> unless the question is "how can I make linux even worse for windows users" :)
[23:58] <ajf> colinux is a pretty damn clever idea
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[23:59] <ajf> php -r '(print (print (print "Look mom, Lisp!")));'

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