#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-09-12

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[0:21] <schultza> i have a new SDCard... SanDisk Extreme SDHC 32 GB/8hr, class 10 (45MB/s). Considered blank. Is there a good article to getting started. And my boss wonders what the difference between debian arm and raspberrypi (raspian) deb archives?
[0:22] <sney> ok, schultza's boss:
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[0:22] <sney> debian armel works on the raspberry pi, very slowly. it doesn't use hardware floating point calculations.
[0:22] <plugwash> schultza: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianFAQ#What_is_Raspbian.3F
[0:23] <sney> debian armhf doesn't work on the raspberry pi. it's made for a newer revision of the arm CPU than what the pi has.
[0:23] <sney> and raspbian is the middle ground. armhf, for the older cpu.
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[0:23] <schultza> ok.. any good getting started articles for a fresh sd card?
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> I've found SD cards rarely read things you put on them.
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[0:33] <schultza> well, i cant plug in a ssd or hd into this.. :)
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[0:35] <CeilingKitten> not without a powered usb hub schultza
[0:35] <CeilingKitten> it is doable though
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[0:37] <sney> schultza: just cat the image directly to the card. it's pretty foolproof. the usb hard drive (or network volume) idea is good for data you need to keep safe, but the OS needs to boot off the SD
[0:38] <jdriver> I'm really disappointed with the raspberry as a wifi hotspot..running something else and with no usb devices besides the wifi antenna, my speedtest.net numbers drops from 4.5 MB/s to 2.3 MB/s. I know it's not a high performance device but still disappointed :(
[0:39] <sney> yeah, the pi is really cheap so people have all kinds of great ideas of what to use it for - and performance is lacking in at least 75% of cases
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[0:39] <jdriver> maybe i'll get a wifi router and put the pi behind it, use it as an experimental web/mail server, something a little less demanding
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> jdriver: define 'something else'
[0:39] <jdriver> sorry i meant "nothing else"
[0:40] <sney> just remember with the pi that every piece of i/o is going over the same usb bus. so, both the wifi and the ethernet, for instance
[0:40] <sney> not a lot of elbow room.
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> sney: that shouldn't really matter in this case
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> sney: the device can cope with 100 megabit ethernet
[0:40] <sney> could be a power issue as well, I suppose
[0:41] <jdriver> yeah..when i did the math it still shouldn't have bumped into any limits but i guess the combo of it all just bogged it down
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> sney: unlikely
[0:41] <sney> well, there is an issue. do you have any theories?
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> jdriver: you're routing from the ethernet to the wifi ?
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> I would try downloading a file off the SD
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> over wifi
[0:41] <jdriver> ya, cable modem to pi (via ethernet) to wifi antenna to macbook
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> I'd also be interested to sss if top showed that there was much CPU usage
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> to see
[0:42] <jdriver> naw, top didn't show anything more than a few percentage points
[0:42] <jdriver> 460mb of ram free etc..didn't seem too stressed
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[0:44] <jdriver> power might be an issue..i'm running it from a .5v 700ma wall adapter, may be worth trying a 1a adapter. it did crash this morning during a video watch..i had it sitting on the cable modem and the whole thing felt really hot so not sure if it was power or heat
[0:45] <sney> does the wifi dongle have its own power?
[0:46] <jdriver> no, it's usb driven. but it's a brand new pi so i read those usb power limiters (can't think of the technical term) have been removed ?
[0:46] <sney> yeah, but 700mA may not be enough to go around
[0:47] <sney> 700mA is generally listed as the minimum for running the pi by itself - I have one running off 500mA, so that's not accurate, but I'm not trying to power a radio transmitter
[0:48] <jdriver> i guess i can get a 1a wall adapter, try it out. but after trying to decipher iptables to turn it into a firewall i think i'd be better off with a commercial router..or something that runs BSD, what a cluster iptables is
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[0:48] <sney> shorewall is a nice solution for making iptables make sense. human-readable text files.
[0:48] <sney> iptables is a good firewall (I mean, look at ASA) but the config is just madness.
[0:49] <sney> I don't know how well the pi would hold up doing nat though
[0:49] <jdriver> cool i'll look into it..that's what i miss about BSD's pf, the rules are in a textfile, i'll never take that for granted again
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[0:49] <buzzsaw> it would not make much sence using a pi for nat...
[0:50] <jdriver> why not?
[0:50] <buzzsaw> why?
[0:50] <buzzsaw> $5 at the thrift shop and you can get a wrt54g*
[0:50] <buzzsaw> now you have a port in and 4 ports out
[0:51] <buzzsaw> as sits you woud need a us ethernet port :-)
[0:51] <jdriver> yeah i think that's what i'm going to do..if using the pi cuts my internet speed in half it's not worth it
[0:51] <buzzsaw> yeah no need to cut a board with a hammer...
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[0:51] <jdriver> haha
[0:52] <buzzsaw> I dont think it would cut it in half... there is plenty of ram and fast enough processor just does not have the needed ports
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[0:52] <jdriver> well in actual use as a wifi hotspot it is cutting speed by half
[0:53] <buzzsaw> hum
[0:53] <nmpro> good night every1
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[0:54] <buzzsaw> I dont know why it would do that
[0:54] <jdriver> i don't either..top shows cpu and ram almost unused
[0:55] <jdriver> i'll try a 1a adapter and hope it helps..other than that i don't know
[0:55] <jdriver> no other usb devices are plugged in besides the wifi antenna
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[0:55] <buzzsaw> how do you know it cut in half?
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[0:55] <buzzsaw> what test did you use to determine that?
[0:56] <jdriver> just running speediest.net, watching the speed of apgets and so on
[0:56] <jdriver> speedtest.net
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[0:58] <jdriver> i may have setup hostapd, nat rules etc incorrectly..was just following a tutorial without really understanding it so may be something in there slowing stuff down
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[1:11] <schultza> thanks guys
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[2:39] <WiFau> Does anyone experience any issue with the ssh daemon during the boot with Arch Linux ARM? It fails during the boot stage, it retries and tries again for a while and then declares failure, then the boot goes on normally. Should I configure it first?
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[2:44] <ShorTie> might help
[2:44] <ShorTie> i know it's slow to give me a prompt
[2:44] <[Saint]> You shouldn't need to.
[2:45] <[Saint]> It should "just work" from first boot.
[2:45] <[Saint]> ...exactly as its supposed to.
[2:45] <j4jackj> It's a gnu nu nu nu nu nu nu
[2:45] <[Saint]> (it would be somewhat useless headless if it didn't)
[2:46] <WiFau> So [Saint] you are sayin' it should just work. But this is a fresh image.
[2:47] <[Saint]> Exactly.
[2:47] <[Saint]> It is absolutlely supposed to work from first boot without any configuration.
[2:48] <WiFau> And, [Saint] could it be a network problem which causes the failure?
[2:49] <[Saint]> It could be, yes.
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[2:50] <WiFau> Ok thanks [Saint] I'll try to point my attention on it to fix the problem.
[2:52] <austinbv> I am having some boot issues with my pi and have been googleing/trying for hours with no luck. I am hopeing someone here may be able to shed some light. I was configuring my edimax wifi adapter in wicd-curses hit refresh pi crashed and now on boot I get (panic: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2))
[2:52] <austinbv> I tried correcting the boot.txt
[2:53] <ShorTie> did you look in the log files for any clues ??
[2:53] <austinbv> errr cmdline.txt
[2:53] <[Saint]> Sounds like you whalloped the /boot partition.
[2:53] <[Saint]> replace the contents of the boot partition and give that a go.
[2:54] <austinbv> [Saint]: any way to recover without killing all my data :(
[2:54] <[Saint]> well, hopefully, its just /boot, nothing in there really matters.
[2:54] <[Saint]> some config stuffs you can replicate in a few minutes, no biggie.
[2:54] <ShorTie> never store any thing on the sdcard that you cn't loose
[2:54] <jdriver> maybe mount the sdcard on a pc, copy what you can
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[2:55] <austinbv> ShorTie: nothing I care about loosing
[2:55] <austinbv> I was trying to build an image for my company
[2:55] <austinbv> didn't want to go back through all the installs and compilations
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[2:56] <[Saint]> anyway, yeah, I would either loopback mount the boot partition on another OS and c opy that over, or, pull the files in directly from the raspberrypi github rewpo.
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[2:56] <[Saint]> either way, replacing /boot is a lot quicker and easier than a full re-image, and if it works, great.
[2:56] <austinbv> [Saint]: trying now
[2:56] <austinbv> still no luck :(
[2:56] <austinbv> fuck well that ruins some fun
[2:56] <[Saint]> *fudgies
[2:57] <austinbv> my bad
[2:57] <[Saint]> I was so terrible for that on this channel I ended up making a script to combat my sailor mouth.
[2:57] <[Saint]> It happens. :)
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[3:01] * [Saint] stabs Firefox in the face
[3:01] <austinbv> I normally am not in public channels so most langugae goes :P
[3:01] <[Saint]> "WOuld you like to install <foo> for quicker access and more features?"
[3:01] <[Saint]> No, dammit! NO!
[3:02] <[Saint]> I would, however, like Chrome to have FF's awesomebar and tags for bookmarks, if you can do that FF...go nuts.
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[3:03] <austinbv> that's a big repo to chrom
[3:03] <austinbv> clone*
[3:04] <[Saint]> Just pull the required files from github off teh infowebz.
[3:05] <[Saint]> minutes as opposed to ...many minutes.
[3:06] <[Saint]> all the /boot partition stuffs live precompiled in their own branch.
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[3:12] <pksato> 4
[3:13] <edman007> 5
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[3:16] <[Saint]> Oooh...Ohhh...I can do this!
[3:16] <[Saint]> 7
[3:16] <[Saint]> ...crap.
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[3:35] <austinbv> how often do cards crash
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[3:36] <SpeedEvil> too often
[3:38] <austinbv> like not really a viable solution for a micro computer if I want uptime
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[3:41] <[Saint]> No, inded not. Nor was it intended to be.
[3:42] <[Saint]> *indeed
[3:42] <[Saint]> People are using these things for far more than the original scope of the project ever intended.
[3:43] <[Saint]> If you want reliable storage, move / to a USB HDD>
[3:43] <[Saint]> s/>//
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[3:44] <austinbv> [Saint]: what was the scope?
[3:44] <[Saint]> Everything else is free to be shipped to a removable disc via USB.
[3:45] <[Saint]> Which has the added benefit of being a LOT faster than sd will ever be.
[3:45] <SpeedEvil> austinbv: photo storage
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[3:45] <[Saint]> austinbv: cheap educational board for embedded development
[3:45] <[Saint]> SpeedEvil: even if that answer was correct, I believe he meant the Pi, not sd.
[3:46] <SpeedEvil> ah
[3:47] <[Saint]> People get really disappointed when they find out that this isn't really a ~$25USB desktop PC replacement
[3:47] <[Saint]> Why people expected this, I do not know, but...they do.
[3:47] <SpeedEvil> oh, it is.
[3:47] <SpeedEvil> if you're using a PC from over a decade ago
[3:47] <[Saint]> It most certainly is not.
[3:48] <[Saint]> The thing I usually point out to people is that if you consider the hardware, this thing is a cellphone from late 2007
[3:49] <austinbv> Yeah I ment the pi :)
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[3:49] <austinbv> I am not using it for a pc
[3:49] <austinbv> I was using it to replace my couple of my arduino projects
[3:50] <austinbv> and prototype a few embedded systems
[3:50] <[Saint]> Which it is perfectly suited for. :)
[3:50] <austinbv> [Saint]: but we were hoping for uptime b/c the arduinos never go down
[3:50] <austinbv> but man I would rather write python than c
[3:51] <[Saint]> Then I would advise USB storage.
[3:51] <austinbv> and there are some cool things that a pi can do like embedded system that servers webpages easily.
[3:51] <austinbv> [Saint]: and boot from USB
[3:51] <[Saint]> Not only is it a lot faster, it is less likely to crap itself if power goes down.
[3:52] <[Saint]> well, you'll still be booting from the sdcard, its impossible not to, /boot must reside on the sdcard, but it is the only partition that requires this.
[3:52] <[Saint]> but this way you can easily get away with using a 32MB sdcard. :)
[3:52] <SpeedEvil> I would recommend BBB over pi for this
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[3:52] <austinbv> ah and the /boot partition is pretty good or is that the one that craps out (reading the forums, it seems to be the probelm)
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[3:52] <SpeedEvil> or, well, suck it up and learn to write c.
[3:53] <[Saint]> FAT doesn't like sudden power loss.
[3:53] <[Saint]> It can cope with it, but, occasionally it...doesn't.
[3:53] <[Saint]> (and the /boot partition must be FAT)
[3:53] <[Saint]> You can thank the odd GPU for this weirdness.
[3:54] <[Saint]> Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe you could kludge up a FAT container in a saner FS...maybe.
[3:54] <[Saint]> I doubt it though.
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[4:00] <austinbv> I know c it just sucks to prototype in
[4:00] <austinbv> :P
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[4:00] <austinbv> would rather program in a dynamic fun language until I have an idea of what I want
[4:00] <austinbv> why I wrote https://github.com/austinbv/dino
[4:01] <[Saint]> Another route to consider if you / is small enough is shipping it off to a tmpfs immediately after boot.
[4:02] <[Saint]> this doesn't really make it any more reliable, but it is a LOT faster.
[4:02] <[Saint]> (in actual fact, it introduces more chances for things to go wrong...but, hey. :))
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[4:02] <austinbv> speed is not horrible when program is running
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[4:09] <austinbv> I mainly want the board for wifi too, wifi + arduino == no fun
[4:10] <j4jackj> no go then, because Pi cannot support WiFi without a WiFi to dialup bridge and even then teeds a hardware modem which needs all the pins but the Pi only has 3, BUMMINUS.
[4:11] <[Saint]> ...errr...what?
[4:13] <j4jackj> Err, [Saint], the Pi can't power Wifi cards.
[4:13] <austinbv> j4jackj: not a wifi component but a wifi usb
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[4:13] <[Saint]> Why would you even consider using a PCI wireless card on a Pi?
[4:13] <austinbv> and https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10004 is only 3.3v
[4:13] <[Saint]> That's nuts.
[4:14] <austinbv> if rsp can do that than... noone would use it
[4:14] <[Saint]> Saying things like "cannot support wifi" is going to get you a WHOLE lot of people lining up to tell you how wrong you are.
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[4:15] <[Saint]> Step 1: insert wifi dongle
[4:15] <[Saint]> Step 2: ...hmmmm...nope, there isn;t one.
[4:16] <j4jackj> The RPi has serious trouble supporting wiFi because of the power requirements in amperage.
[4:17] <[Saint]> No.
[4:17] <[Saint]> That's just wrong.
[4:17] <[Saint]> All types of wrong.
[4:18] <[Saint]> If that is the case *for you*, your PSU sucks, or you're using one of the ancient raspis that actually did have a limited amount they could provide over USB.
[4:19] <[Saint]> the latter is solved easily with an actively powered hub.
[4:20] <[Saint]> I don't mean to sound like a dick, but when you make vague, sweeping, incorrect statements on the Internet...someone will correct you.
[4:20] <j4jackj> I'm using the 512MB Model B, with a PSU from Apple. Plugging in a USB DVD RW causes a reboot with USB disabled.
[4:21] <[Saint]> see "your PSU sucks"
[4:21] <j4jackj> All PSUs I have tried do this exact thing.
[4:21] <pksato> ah? wifi and dvd now are same thing?
[4:21] <SirLagz> then get better PSUs
[4:21] <j4jackj> Some of them 2 PSUs connected in parallel.
[4:21] <Xark> j4jackj: USB DVD probably will require powered hub on RPi.
[4:21] <j4jackj> Which is dangerous and illegal, but it didn't work.
[4:22] <j4jackj> I shall build my own power ed hum. :D
[4:22] <SirLagz> are you powering the Pi through GPIO or through microusb ?
[4:22] <[Saint]> ...why are you blaming the pi for your mistakes?
[4:22] <j4jackj> s/hum/hub
[4:22] <[Saint]> I don't get it.
[4:22] <[Saint]> ...and when did wifi == DVDrw?
[4:23] <pksato> but, probable, My RPi can power DVD drive with out issues.
[4:23] <[Saint]> If the combined power consumption is greater than the PSU can provide, it doesn't take a genius to figure out you'll have serious issues.
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[4:24] <j4jackj> Should I build my own powered hub?
[4:24] <[Saint]> ...why?
[4:24] <pksato> dont forget, RPi have 750mA polyfuse.
[4:25] <pksato> On my RPi, I replaced with 1.6A polyfuse.
[4:27] <[Saint]> I do respect that for a lot of people the science and mechanics behind these types of thing may as well be magic.
[4:28] <[Saint]> But, really, it doesn't take too much to add up your consumption and compare it to what you're providing.
[4:29] <[Saint]> ...alternatively, use an actively powered hub and just don't bother about worrying at all.
[4:29] <j4jackj> To me it's mathemagical. :D
[4:29] <j4jackj> I understand the maths but not the science.
[4:30] <jdriver> i'd really like to know why routing internet traffic through my pi cuts throughput so much…is it just me? does anyone else have experience running some sort of pi in the middle network service? did it affect throughput? how much?
[4:30] <j4jackj> WT?
[4:31] <j4jackj> Is there a Haiku driver for the gfx card used in the Pi?
[4:32] <pksato> jdriver: that is you internet speed?
[4:32] <jdriver> pksato yes, pi seems slower than the specs of the hardware would indicate for me.
[4:33] <j4jackj> Does plugging the Pi into a computer void the warranty?
[4:34] <[Saint]> ...why would it?
[4:34] <j4jackj> The warranty of either device.
[4:34] <jdriver> i'm stumped..cpu's not active, plenty of memory available..which makes me think either user error or drivers..most likely user error. so if someone's got an alternate experience i know i need to do something different
[4:34] <j4jackj> (Mind you, the W on my desktop is already null'n'void)
[4:35] <j4jackj> It seems to boot...
[4:35] <[Saint]> Regarding network speed, you can kiss roughly 25% of your potential saturation goodbye just from the usual overhead eth carries combined with the fact that on the pi ethernet and USB are sharing the same stack.
[4:36] <[Saint]> regarding plugging the pi into your computer, since the pi is only a USB host, plugging it into another USB host does absolutely nothing but supply power to it.
[4:37] <[Saint]> keep in mind, though, that if the PC is following spec (which is hilariously unlikely), because the pi doesn't enumerate, the host may decide to only give it anwhere from 200~500mA
[4:38] <pksato> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#NIC
[4:38] <[Saint]> But, most things seems to disgregard this completely and will happily supply 2A...even though they really shuldn't.
[4:38] * [Saint] can't type today
[4:39] <jdriver> it seems the device is performing nowhere near it's potential, even given the shared usb/ethernet
[4:39] <[Saint]> I know my laptops are very picky about supplying power to anything that doesn't properly declare its requirements.
[4:40] <jdriver> ah well not bad for a 35 dollar device :)
[4:40] <[Saint]> Just because its a 100M connection doesn't mean you're actually going to get anywhere enar 100M throughput
[4:40] <[Saint]> *near
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[4:41] <Jeebiss> hey guys
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[4:41] <[Saint]> Praise jeebiss
[4:41] <Jeebiss> I know this may be a stretch, but has anyone used VoiceCommand for the pi before?
[4:41] <Jeebiss> http://stevenhickson.blogspot.com/2013/06/voice-command-v30-for-raspberry-pi.html
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[4:41] <Jeebiss> Thats the website for it
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[4:42] <Jeebiss> I am having trouble with it D:
[4:42] <[Saint]> Jeebiss: I played with it briefly.
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[4:42] <Jeebiss> Did you get it to work?
[4:43] <[Saint]> Its better to just say what you're having issue(s) with
[4:43] <[Saint]> Yes, sure.
[4:43] <[Saint]> The setup is trivial.
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[4:44] <Jeebiss> Well, I cant get it to recognize any command
[4:44] <Jeebiss> Let me grab my config, so you see what I have done thus far.
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[4:45] <Jeebiss> [Saint]: http://pastebin.com/mY3J1Qe0
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[4:46] <Jeebiss> I have verify turned off, because thats the only way I can get anything at all to happen with VC
[4:46] <Jeebiss> However it always says "No translation"
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[4:47] <[Saint]> All I can advise is to watch the setup video (and listen to it) at http://stevenhickson.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/installing-and-updating-piauisuite-and.html
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[4:48] <Jeebiss> I have, a couple times now
[4:48] <Jeebiss> I've been messing with it for almost a week hah
[4:48] <[Saint]> Well, it "Just Worked" for me when I did the same, perhaps there is an unmet dependency on the system...no idea.
[4:49] <Jeebiss> Just curious, when you were using it, did you need to specify a different sound device?
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[4:49] <[Saint]> Nope.
[4:49] <Jeebiss> Hmmm
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[4:49] <[Saint]> "If you've watched the videos and read the posts and read the README and something still doesn't work, feel free to contact me and ask questions."
[4:50] <Jeebiss> I also did that, no response ;)
[4:50] <Jeebiss> I assumed here would be a stretch
[4:50] <[Saint]> How did you attempt to contact him?
[4:50] <[Saint]> Best bet would be G+ or Facebook, I'd assume.
[4:50] <Jeebiss> Email and a Github ticket
[4:50] <[Saint]> https://plus.google.com/111353927380064338623
[4:52] <[Saint]> Hmmmm. Dunno then. It was a fair while ago when I played with this last, and all I did was set it up and discover that just like every other voice recognition software it hates my EN-NZ accent. :)
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[4:53] <[Saint]> But it *did* work.
[4:53] <[Saint]> I just installed it, followed the setup prompts, and...blammo, working.
[4:53] <Jeebiss> Ah okay, maybe Ill try starting over again
[4:54] <[Saint]> Sorry. I know it sucks to wage war against a piece of software for days on end only to find out that someone else got it to work doing absolutely nothing special in particular.
[4:54] <Jeebiss> Story of my life D:
[4:54] <Jeebiss> haha
[4:54] <[Saint]> Its ok, you get to look forward to reincarnation on Easter...gotta make it worth it. :)
[4:54] <Jeebiss> But its also conforting to know that someone other then the developer can get it to work
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[4:59] <[Saint]> If it helps any, I'm about ready to stab MythTV in the face.
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[5:27] * [Saint] is slightly pleased to know that Better Call Saul has been approved for its own series
[5:28] <[Saint]> uuuugh, wrong channel. Sorry.
[5:31] <Jeebiss> Is that a true statement :O?
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[5:32] * JakeSays yawns
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[5:38] * [Saint] nods
[5:38] <[Saint]> Yes, it is.
[5:38] <[Saint]> Awww...he left.
[5:39] <[Saint]> Anyhoo - yes, Better Call Saul has been approved for a series and will be a "prequel", explaining how Saul got to be where/who he is now in the current Breaking Bad world.
[5:39] <[Saint]> see: http://www.deadline.com/2013/09/breaking-bad-saul-goodman-spinoff-amc-series/
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[5:43] <Jeebiss> okay, new question
[5:44] <Jeebiss> how can i make my pi try to reacquire network settings?
[5:44] <j4jackj> 20:38 < [Saint]> Yes, it is.
[5:44] <j4jackj> 20:38 < [Saint]> Awww...he left.
[5:44] <Jeebiss> Sorry had to reboot ;)
[5:44] <j4jackj> You're welcome
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[5:45] <[Saint]> [15:39] <[Saint]> see: http://www.deadline.com/2013/09/breaking-bad-saul-goodman-spinoff-amc-series/
[5:45] <[Saint]> j4jackj: use a static IP and you don't have to
[5:45] <j4jackj> I don't have to what?
[5:45] <[Saint]> ...however, your router really should be taking care of this itself gracefully.
[5:46] <j4jackj> Did you mean Jeebiss ?
[5:46] <Jeebiss> I think he meant me lol
[5:46] <[Saint]> "reacquire network settings"
[5:46] <[Saint]> AH, sorry, last-spoken-order fooled me.
[5:46] <Jeebiss> It seems for some reason that my pi occasionally has trouble getting internet access, I am using ICS through my laptop
[5:47] <j4jackj> Jeebiss: use a real router, like a Linux box (aka connect your ADSL router to your Pi and use a switch)
[5:47] <[Saint]> I just use a static IP, DynDNS to supply a hostname, and have my router filter by hostname and do port forwarding from there.
[5:47] <j4jackj> ICS does not work.
[5:48] <j4jackj> ICS is windows stuff.
[5:48] <[Saint]> so saint-raspberrypi1@dyndns.org always points to a specific device.
[5:48] <[Saint]> so saint-raspberrypi2@dyndns.org, etc.
[5:48] <Jeebiss> Ah, okay, that seems simple enough
[5:49] <j4jackj> s/@/./
[5:50] <[Saint]> My router's filters do make this remarkably easy to pipe traffic from a specific hostname to a specific device, though.
[5:50] <[Saint]> I understand that filtering/port forwarding on some routers can be anywhere from crippled to non-existant
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[5:53] <[Saint]> Just have the pi(s) specify a fixed IP within the pool that the router provides and blammo, no more wondering what IP you're going to end up with if power goes down.
[5:53] <[Saint]> (even though sane lease times should prevent this anyway)
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[5:54] <Jeebiss> internet is acting up again D:
[5:54] <Jeebiss> screw you at&t
[5:54] <[Saint]> a dyndns hostname isn't by any means necessary, but I find it a lot easier to remember a hostname than an address that may change if you don't have a fixed IP.
[5:55] <[Saint]> I'm sure there are many good dyn clients available.
[5:56] <[Saint]> My ISP initially didn't offer a static IP, but I guess I bugged them enough.
[5:56] <[Saint]> ...they didn't support bonded connections either, but I bugged them enough there too apparently.
[5:57] <[Saint]> However I now pretty much get a default "you tricked us into supporting your setup, anything the breaks is your fault" response now. ;)
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[6:05] <Jeebiss> YAY I GOT IT!
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[6:06] <ct0> anyone running arch?
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[6:11] <[Saint]> ct0: it is better to ask your actual question.
[6:12] <[Saint]> I suspect you don't actually want to know the answer to that.
[6:12] <[Saint]> (and I suspect you already know it)
[6:12] <[Saint]> Jeebiss: VoiceCommand?
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[6:14] <Jeebiss> [Saint]: yep :0
[6:14] <Jeebiss> :)*
[6:14] <ct0> connecting to rpi running arch over ssh gives me an error, connection refused
[6:15] <ct0> any insite
[6:15] <Jeebiss> i just reran the install for the millionth time lol
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[6:17] <Jeebiss> well... it was working x_x
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[6:17] <gooch> ct0: i got the same problem, and this helped me https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Openssh#Connection_refused_or_timeout_problem
[6:18] <ct0> gooch, thank you ill check it out
[6:18] <gooch> truns out it was my router
[6:18] <gooch> np
[6:18] <ct0> i have ssh'ed hundreds of times before without a problem
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[6:19] <Jeebiss> is ctrl+x a proper way to exit out of running cli apps?
[6:19] <ct0> i think so
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[6:20] <ct0> then enter to save
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[6:22] <[Saint]> Jeebiss: you likely want Crtl+Z
[6:22] <[Saint]> which is actually "stop task"
[6:22] <Jeebiss> Thats what I meant, not X
[6:23] <Jeebiss> But that is a safe way to exit something?
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[6:24] <[Saint]> I guess that depends on what you're doing, and your definition of safe.
[6:24] <Jeebiss> Well, I ma currently using it to close voicecommand
[6:25] <Jeebiss> But it seems that after doing it, it stopped working
[6:25] <Jeebiss> Well, after I stopped it, and restarted it, it no longer detected my voice
[6:26] <[Saint]> How did you restart it? Crtl+Z should print a number, which you can then use with fg to restart the process.
[6:27] <[Saint]> ...though I doubt it would make a difference.
[6:29] <Jeebiss> I just restarted it using the 'voicecommand' command
[6:29] <[Saint]> Try this, as an example:
[6:29] <[Saint]> yes
[6:29] <[Saint]> Crtl+Z
[6:29] <[Saint]> fg <number the stop printed>
[6:30] <[Saint]> (it should restart the yes process again)
[6:30] <[Saint]> You should see something like
[6:30] <[Saint]> [1]+ Stopped yes
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[6:30] <[Saint]> so you'd use "fg 1" to restart that process
[6:30] <Jeebiss> oh insteresting
[6:31] <Jeebiss> thanks for letting me know
[6:31] <Jeebiss> can i clear out the tasks that are stopped?
[6:31] <Jeebiss> if that makes sense
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[6:35] <Jeebiss> Jesus, this is killing me, it was just working lol
[6:36] <[Saint]> Hmmm, you want to only kill stopped jobs, or all jobs?
[6:36] * [Saint] may be able to regex this up.
[6:36] <[Saint]> kill $(jobs -l | grep Stopped | cut -d' ' -f3) seems to work
[6:36] <[Saint]> jobs -l
[6:36] <[Saint]> whoops, ignore that last part.
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[6:37] * [Saint] nods to himself approvingly
[6:38] <[Saint]> "kill $(jobs -l | grep Stopped | cut -d' ' -f3)" will indeed cull stopped jobs.
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[6:38] <axsuul> Hey
[6:38] <[Saint]> I always think its nice when you see something you come up with in a stackexchange answer, it proves you're not *completely* insane at least. :)
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[7:06] <trek555> I'm having trouble accessing my homegroup shared folders from my raspberry pi
[7:06] <trek555> I got samba working, and my pc can read my pi, but it wont work the other way around
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[8:21] <thirtythreeforty> What does four blinks of the ACT light upon power up mean? (4 blinks, pause, repeat.)
[8:21] <shiftplusone> checking
[8:22] <shiftplusone> 4 flashes: loader.bin not launched
[8:22] <shiftplusone> 4 flashes: start.elf not launched
[8:22] <shiftplusone> so, check your fat32 partition firmware files are valid
[8:22] <shiftplusone> namely that start.elf is there
[8:23] <shiftplusone> actually, it should be there... just not launched for whatever reason.
[8:23] <shiftplusone> Did you run rpi-update or something like that recently?
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[8:26] <Jck_True> Anybody tested Bittorrent Sync on the Pi?
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[8:57] <thirtythreeforty> shiftplusone, sorry for leaving you hanging... weird because sometimes it boots fine, sometimes ACK is a really faint green, and just now it did that. Bad SD card?
[8:57] <shiftplusone> sounds like a bad contact with the sd card holder
[8:57] <shiftplusone> does it happen with all cards or just that one?
[8:58] <thirtythreeforty> I don't know. I'll have to dig up other cards. Is that a solder job?
[8:58] <shiftplusone> doubt it
[8:58] <Jck_True> And I can vouch - BitTorrent Sync - Works just fine on the pi :)
[8:58] <Jck_True> Just wish there was something open source :(
[8:58] <thirtythreeforty> Jck_True, I would be on Sync like white on rice if it were open source
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[8:59] <thirtythreeforty> shiftplusone, so just need to plug card in better?
[8:59] <shiftplusone> thirtythreeforty, you'll have to experiment and see if holding the card down with the thumb helps... maybe blowing on the sd card to get any dust away. maybe clean the contacts or bend them back a little.
[8:59] <thirtythreeforty> hm ok
[8:59] <thirtythreeforty> next time it locks up like that I'll do that
[8:59] <thirtythreeforty> It's working fine again now... I'm using it as a router to talk to you :D
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[10:48] <h1nd> hello everybody. I would like to know which filesystem is preferable for a USBdrive, which I want to use on my RPi. It should stay connected on the RPi as drive space, I dont want to take it and share with Windows hosts (so I dont need NTFS). Should I choose ext4 as filesystem or is there a better fs which you can advice?
[10:51] <neilr> ext4 works just fine for me on an external USB drive. And if you want, you can still use samba to export a share for a Windows machine to mount.
[10:52] <h1nd> neilr: of course. So ext4 is my favorite one, which I always use when I install a new host or drive. But I never made thoughts about filesystems on a USB drive. Anyone have experience with BTRFS on RPi and USBdrive? Or isn't that a good choice for the RPi+USBdrive?
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[10:55] <patagonicus> I mostly stick with ext4. I've heard good things about XFS, however that one does not support file system shrinking which I want. btrfs is nice but still somewhat unstable (you may never have problems, but I'd keep a backup around). I think btrfs has higher CPU usage than most fs, but zfs is probably the most expensive one (and I do not know if it runs on the RPi).
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[10:57] <h1nd> patagonicus: yes,I have red many flame wars about zfs<-->btrfs and I think I will choose ext4 for the RPi. Thanks to all
[10:57] <ShadowJK> ext4 probably has the best performance on flash
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[10:57] <ShadowJK> (not counting f2fs which we dont have in rpi kernel afaik)
[10:57] <ShadowJK> Performance on harddrives is a different matter. :)
[10:57] <h1nd> ShadowJK: so ext4 would be a good choice for my USBdrive I bet...
[10:58] <ShadowJK> yes
[10:58] <h1nd> thank you
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[12:34] <fooman2011> hello guys. I have a problem. I'm trying to use the speak_lib using mbrola voices. But I get the error: "mbrola voice not found". I have installed mbrola in /usr/bin and put mbrola voices in /usr/share/mbrola/XX/XX. Does anyone could help me please ?
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[12:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> fooman2011 - was it installed via apt-get ? or did you build from scratch ?
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[13:10] <fooman2011> RaTTuS|BIG: I tried both
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[13:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> fooman2011 I dunno it but the apt-get approch whould be the best way - I'd post onthe forum,s and see if some can help
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[13:21] <ShorTie> have you install gespeaker fooman2011 ??
[13:22] <ShorTie> gespeaker - GTK+ front-end for eSpeak and mbrola
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[13:28] <InterWeb> What phone charger can I use for raspberry pi ?
[13:29] <InterWeb> I want to buy one
[13:29] <ShorTie> any thing that is regulated and outputs 5v @ 1amp
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[13:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> InterWeb personally I'd use a powered USB hub and power the RPI from that [get a good one with plenty of amps]
[13:36] <remib> Hi. I've tried raspbmc and xbian but don't really like the fact that they aren't bare xbmc on top of raspbian. Is it worth installing raspbian + xbmc on top to have a more vanilla debian ?
[13:37] <remib> And would I get comparable performances ?
[13:37] <shiftplusone> are you sure you're not after xbian?
[13:37] <shiftplusone> ah derp
[13:37] <shiftplusone> misread
[13:37] <shiftplusone> carry on <.<
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[13:47] <MrVector> Hey guys :)
[13:47] <shiftplusone> Hello, you again.
[13:47] * MrVector tickles shiftplusone
[13:47] * shiftplusone isn't ticklish >.>
[13:48] <tig|> 16A at 240V tickles everyone :)
[13:48] <shiftplusone> lol
[13:48] <MrVector> Got some very simple bare metal code, and query the Get power state as soon as it loads, and it says the SD is turned off. I find this a bit strange...
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[13:49] <MrVector> Surely the mailbox isn't lying to me, so why is the sd turned off!
[13:49] <shiftplusone> why wouldn't it be?
[13:50] <shiftplusone> perhaps it's turned off prior to executing the kernel, so that the kernel can initialise it however it wants.
[13:50] <MrVector> Well it's just loaded my kernel.img off the sd, and uhm.. I Guess I can't see why it would be :)
[13:50] <MrVector> That would be very nice of the bootloader if that was true! Is there any way to confirm this?
[13:51] <shiftplusone> maybe ask on the bare metal section of the forum
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[13:52] <MrVector> Was hoping this would be documented somewhere :(
[13:52] <MrVector> If it's not then I guess the only way to verify it is for more people to experience the same thing
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[15:33] <Technicus> Here is an Idea: < http://phoneblocks.com/ >, but seems very challenging to develop. Especially considering how difficult it is to get a SoC for the Raspberry Pi.
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[15:35] <MoleMan> Technicus: what is it? looks like a new domain and the DNS hasn't propagated yet
[15:36] <Technicus> MoleMan: Looks like it is just a video.
[15:36] <shiftplusone> MoleMan, a phone where different parts are on different blocks and everything connects all lego-like so that you can replace parts that break or upgrade parts one by one.
[15:36] <shiftplusone> not developed, just an idea
[15:37] <shiftplusone> 90% sure it's not going to happen
[15:38] <Draylor> only 90? thats way too optimistic
[15:38] <shiftplusone> >.>
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[15:39] <atouk> and like lego's, you'll have that one odd open area that you can't find a filler for, or one piece won't fit right.
[15:40] <shiftplusone> I'd rather electronics came with real manuals again and the manufacturers stocked all the individual chips.
[15:40] <shiftplusone> but that's not happening either
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[15:43] <workingcats> hello, does anyone know of a firefox 24 beta build for the pi, ideally raspbian? can't find one anywhere and was hoping to avoid setting up a cross compiler
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[15:44] <DouglasK> workingcats, considering how slowly lightweight browsers run on the pi, I'd not want to run ff. That said, I do ssh into another machine with ff and run it over remote X.
[15:45] <workingcats> DouglasK, well i dont expect it to do be able to do what i need from it (to run one specific website, non-public unfortunately), but kinda need to give it a try
[15:46] <DouglasK> fair 'nough. ... I don't have a pi version of it, but if you look up how to compile firefox from source and info on compiling for pi, you may just need to add a compiler flag to cause it to build for the correct ARM platform.
[15:46] <workingcats> no it's not that simple unfortunately
[15:46] <workingcats> well, i'm quite certain, if it were why would people bother with cross compilers
[15:47] <workingcats> oh well i can make a sorta-test with ff17
[15:47] <shiftplusone> You can compile on the pi just fine, quite often the same way you would on a desktop.
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[15:47] <workingcats> shiftplusone, i dont think you can compile FF on the pi just fine ;)
[15:48] <shiftplusone> But if you're going to compile FF, you'll probably want to come back every few weeks to see if it's done yet.
[15:48] <workingcats> hehe yeah
[15:48] <shiftplusone> workingcats, why not? what's so special about FF?
[15:48] <workingcats> well i would expect a few days would be enough ;)
[15:48] <workingcats> it's huge
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[15:48] <shiftplusone> so?
[15:49] <shiftplusone> Think it will run out of memory while compiling?
[15:49] <workingcats> quite possibly
[15:49] <workingcats> even if it doesnt, it'll take days or weeks
[15:50] <shiftplusone> Well, he didn't say time was an issue. I think anybody willing to run FF on a pi would also be willing to wait a few days for it to compile. After all, it will take that long to load the page anyway.
[15:50] <shiftplusone> >.>
[15:50] <workingcats> hehe suppose you have a point
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[15:52] <workingcats> i wish they had never made video playback through browsers possible -.-
[15:54] <workingcats> ohh wow FF loaded the page and started video playback before chromium had even loaded it
[15:54] <workingcats> surprisingly fast, too, i think i get at least 1fps
[15:55] <shiftplusone> well yeah, FF loads quickly. Chromium usually feels faster though.
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[15:57] <fooman2011> Hello. I have the same problem as described here https://teras.slashdotmedia.com/rf/13072/58793143/s/tdevpgv2/a/2900/ (about espeak and mbrola). Could you help me please ?
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[15:58] <tig|> fooman2011: I am not sure that is the right link
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[15:59] <fooman2011> oops
[15:59] <fooman2011> yep sorry
[15:59] <fooman2011> here it is: http://sourceforge.net/p/espeak/discussion/538921/thread/25a94088/
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[16:01] <tig|> I have never used it but one thing that could be an issue is that not all arm linux is the same and that mbrola support could be for a different version of ARM
[16:01] <megaproxy> i have a arm
[16:02] <tig|> I have about 8 off the top of my head thinking about it but I am not a spider :)
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[16:02] <tig|> actually no, more o.o
[16:03] <megaproxy> are you a skitter?
[16:03] <tig|> skitter?
[16:03] <megaproxy> http://sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Skitter1.png
[16:03] <megaproxy> aliens from Fallen Skies
[16:03] <megaproxy> or falling
[16:03] <tig|> is that one of those hippity hop words?
[16:03] <tig|> :P
[16:03] <workingcats> tig|, its not simply arm linux, there are many significantly different "families" of arm processor
[16:03] <shiftplusone> That gentleman looks like he has 2 arms to me.
[16:04] <megaproxy> shiftplusone: yea, i thought legs.
[16:04] <megaproxy> my brain isnt quite in gear today
[16:04] <shiftplusone> Well that's no excuse, I clearly see 6 legs, not 8+.
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[16:05] <megaproxy> GAWD LEAVE ME ALOOONE
[16:05] * megaproxy crys in the corner
[16:06] <shiftplusone> Well, you can't be inaccurate on the internet and get away with it, now can you
[16:06] <megaproxy> evidently :(
[16:06] <megaproxy> what about this guy http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121107002409/aliens/images/thumb/8/8c/OctobrachialPostalAlien.jpg/250px-OctobrachialPostalAlien.jpg
[16:06] <megaproxy> he has 8 arms
[16:07] <megaproxy> apparently, i count 4/5
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[16:11] <tig|> fooman2011: the Pi is an ARM11 make sure that package you are using is not designed for something else
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[16:11] <fooman2011> mmmh
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[16:12] <fooman2011> They (Mbrola team) say: ARM/Linux (tested on Nokia N800 and N810)
[16:12] <fooman2011> And Nokia N800 is ARM11
[16:13] <fooman2011> so it should be ok
[16:14] <tig|> ah fair enough shouldn't be that then :)
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[16:30] <fooman2011> I have compled a lib by myself using make and make install. But now I would like to resintall the official build of the previous version of the lib. apt-get install don't want to install it a newer version is already present. How to solve this ?
[16:30] <fooman2011> any idea tig| ?
[16:31] <tig|> make uninstall
[16:31] <tig|> apt-get purge $libname
[16:31] <tig|> apt-get install $libname
[16:31] <fooman2011> make uninstall => no rule for uninstall
[16:32] <tig|> gah
[16:32] <workingcats> are you in the directory from where you ran make install back when you installed this?
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[16:34] <itguru> WOOHOO! :)
[16:34] <shiftplusone> YAY!
[16:34] <shiftplusone> What's the excitement about?
[16:34] <fooman2011> workingcats yes
[16:35] <tig|> careful you will wake the IT_Sean
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[16:35] * IT_Sean grumbles
[16:35] <IT_Sean> what?
[16:35] <shiftplusone> oops
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[16:35] <IT_Sean>
[16:35] <tig|> now you have done it
[16:35] <tig|> has someone got an emergency cupcake?
[16:35] <IT_Sean> tig|: so... you highlighted me for no reason?
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[16:36] <tig|> IT_Sean: well general mischief really :)
[16:36] <IT_Sean> Okay. That's one. Everyone gets one. That one was yours.
[16:36] <shiftplusone> One hug?
[16:36] <workingcats> fooman2011, well.. try the purge followed by the install command that tig| said earlier
[16:36] <workingcats> shiftplusone, cookie
[16:36] <shiftplusone> ah
[16:39] <tig|> you might have to do an apt-get remove $libname before you do the purge
[16:39] <tig|> not used it in ages tbh
[16:39] <workingcats> i *think* purge does the remove, if applicable
[16:40] <tig|> yeah I couldn't remember
[16:40] <tig|> so I threw it in jic :)
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[16:41] <tig|> oh I tried that raspyfi project thing out last night, I could have sworn it said it had webgui wifi config
[16:41] <tig|> if it has it didn't detect my card :(
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[17:04] <fooman2011> mmmh
[17:04] <fooman2011> tig| are you there ?
[17:04] <tig|> yep
[17:04] <fooman2011> could you test something for me please ?
[17:04] <tig|> well as about there as normal
[17:04] <tig|> fooman2011: I can give it a whirl
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[17:05] <fooman2011> I don't know if the thing doesn't work because of all modifications I have done or because it simply doesn't work
[17:05] <fooman2011> please could you just install this:
[17:05] <fooman2011> sudo apt-get install espeak
[17:05] <fooman2011> and then execute this:
[17:05] <fooman2011> espeak -x -q -v mb/mb-fr1 "Toto"
[17:06] <tig|> ok hang on
[17:06] <fooman2011> thank you very much
[17:06] <tig|> installing now
[17:06] <fooman2011> ok
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[17:07] <fooman2011> When I execute the command I get this:
[17:07] <fooman2011> mbrola: mbrola: No such file or directory
[17:07] <fooman2011> mbrowrap error: mbrola exited with status 1
[17:07] <fooman2011> mbrola voice not found
[17:07] <fooman2011> tOt'o
[17:07] <tig|> mind you I wouldn't hear anything if it did as a) there are no speakers plugged into this pi at the moment and b) it is 15 miles away from me :)
[17:07] <tig|> I suppose I could fire up the ip cam and turn on the microphones for b...
[17:07] <fooman2011> yeah it's just a phoneme output
[17:07] <fooman2011> not sound output
[17:07] <tig|> ah that is ok then :)
[17:08] <tig|> still unpacking here
[17:08] <fooman2011> ok
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[17:09] <tig|> this is an old model B with only 256 Meg of RAM :)
[17:09] <fooman2011> ah I have 512 but i d'ont think that it is important for this test
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[17:10] <tig|> just setting up now
[17:10] <IT_Sean> tig|: if it's 15 miles away, you are going to need some truly biblical speakers.
[17:10] <IT_Sean> You might think about moving it closer to yourself.
[17:10] <tig|> IT_Sean: or an ip camera with a microphone :)
[17:10] <IT_Sean> Yes, or that.
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[17:11] <IT_Sean> ^ not really
[17:11] <tig|> actually IT_Sean thinking about it I could hook it up to a marshall stack :)
[17:11] <atouk> squatter already grabbed it
[17:11] <tig|> but still I don't think it would be loud enough :)
[17:11] <IT_Sean> No.
[17:12] <tig|> fooman2011: tig@tipi ~ $ espeak -x -q -v mb/mb-fr1 "Toto"
[17:12] <tig|> mbrola: mbrola: No such file or directory
[17:12] <tig|> mbrowrap error: mbrola exited with status 1
[17:12] <tig|> mbrola voice not found tOt'o
[17:12] <IT_Sean> You would need a set of speakers so large the DOD would force you to declare a minimum safe distance.
[17:12] <tig|> IT_Sean: I take it you have read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy :)
[17:12] <fooman2011> ok u have the same errors as me so it's not a wrong manipulation from myself
[17:13] <IT_Sean> tig|: yes.
[17:13] <fooman2011> Thanks very much tig| :)
[17:13] <tig|> IT_Sean: remember Disaster Area :)
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[17:13] <IT_Sean> I do
[17:13] <tig|> fooman2011: no problem :)
[17:13] <tig|> THAT is what I need :)
[17:13] * IT_Sean has read the book, seen the film, seen the television series, and listened to the radio broadcasts.
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[17:14] <tig|> IT_Sean: actually thinking about it I did have the IP cam pointed at the pi at one point when I was playing with video streaming and had it pointed at the output monitor so I could play with it while travelling around :)
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[17:15] <IT_Sean> OOOH!
[17:15] <tig|> what I should have done is point the sending camera at the ip camera and screen :)
[17:15] <IT_Sean> I've just had an Idea!
[17:15] <IT_Sean> I've got a 2 line character LCD on my Pi.
[17:16] <shiftplusone> I think that has been done before.
[17:16] <IT_Sean> what?
[17:16] <IT_Sean> the webcam at the LCD and let people write on it thing?
[17:16] <IT_Sean> yeah... good point. People would only put rude things on it, anyway.
[17:16] <shiftplusone> no, the lcd part. But I did see the same thing you mentioned without a pi though
[17:17] <tig|> IT_Sean: for real geek points put the camera on top of the pi and aim it a mirror reflecting the pi so you have to code it to put the messages up reversed :)
[17:17] <shiftplusone> and like you wouldn't be the first person to put 'rude things' on it.
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[17:17] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: Another fair point.
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[17:18] <honkeygenius> have it read the messages aloud. would probably be hella funny.
[17:18] <honkeygenius> and scary
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[17:27] <nmpro> good morning every1
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[17:29] <DouglasK> Morning, nmpro
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[18:03] <fooman2011> Hello guys. Does anyone use mbrola for speech synthesis on raspberry pi ?
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[18:04] <thunder1212> hi
[18:04] <fooman2011> hi
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[18:05] <thunder1212> i have downloaded noobs v121, how do i write it to my 8gb sd card. i am on ubuntu
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[18:06] <thunder1212> do i just extract the the zip file and copy the folder noobs to the sd card
[18:07] <Jusii> yes
[18:07] <Jusii> contents of the folder
[18:07] <megaproxy> "Just head to the downloads page, grab a copy of the NOOBS zip file, and unpack it onto a freshly formatted 4GB (or larger) SD card. When you boot up for the first time, you�ll see a menu prompting you to install one of several operating systems into the free space on the card. The choice means you can boot the Pi with a regular operating system like Raspbian, or with a media-centre specific OS like RaspBMC."
[18:09] <thunder1212> megaproxy, i dont need to set the sdcard to bootable or something?
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[18:10] <Jusii> no, just plain fat32 formatted card
[18:10] <megaproxy> it doesnt say to
[18:12] <thunder1212> ok thanks
[18:12] <thunder1212> :)
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[18:13] <thunder1212> one more question, i have a logitech wifi keyboard mouse combo . is it ok to use?
[18:13] <thunder1212> with pi..
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[18:14] <Jusii> really wifi or just wireless?
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[18:15] <thunder1212> Jusii, yes i mean wireless..
[18:15] <thunder1212> with a small usb receiver
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[18:16] <thunder1212> Jusii, there won't be power issues with the pi if i use wireless usb mouse keyboard combo?
[18:17] <tig|> thunder1212: shouldn't be providing you have a decent powersupply
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[18:17] <thunder1212> tig|, i am using nokia power cable
[18:18] <tig|> if is rated for 1A you should be fine
[18:18] <thunder1212> tig|, and if its not?
[18:18] <tig|> thunder1212: then you pi will probably reboot when you plug it in :)
[18:18] <tig|> *your
[18:19] <thunder1212> ok thanks bye
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[18:35] <fooman2011> Still nobody used mbrola for speech synthesis on raspberry pi ?
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[18:39] <tig|> fooman2011: I did have a quick look, it could be to do with the soft-float hard float
[18:40] <tig|> if it was crashing out
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[18:41] <tig|> fooman2011: ok
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[18:42] <Mihaylov> Hello
[18:44] <IT_Sean> 'ello
[18:44] <Mihaylov> How its going?
[18:45] <fooman2011> tig|?
[18:45] <fooman2011> soft float hard float ?
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[18:46] <Mihaylov> is there something like luCI for raspberry on raspbian?
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[18:53] <ShorTie> apt-cache search xxxxx will tell ya Mihaylov
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[18:53] <Mihaylov> I dont think so
[18:55] <ShorTie> sumfin like emacs23-lucid - The GNU Emacs editor
[18:55] <ShorTie> ??
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[18:55] <tig|> fooman2011: your command that you asked me to run : espeak -x -q -v mb/mb-fr1 "Toto" fails that I don't have mbrola installed
[18:55] <tig|> as the -v flag is the mbrola voice
[18:55] <Mihaylov> something like this
[18:55] <Mihaylov> http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/luci.essentials
[18:56] <tig|> fooman2011: so if you remove that then espeak works
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[18:57] <tig|> now mbrola looks like it could be an issue with it being compiled for ARM11 soft float where the current version (afaik) of raspbian is hard float
[18:57] <fooman2011> mmh
[18:57] <tig|> now there was a soft float version of raspbian available (or used to be) so you could try that on a spare SD card if you want
[18:58] <fooman2011> soft float is ok on hard float system no ?
[18:58] <tig|> fooman2011: I found a post on the forum that says it can cause issues
[18:58] <fooman2011> aerf
[18:59] <tig|> fooman2011: your other alternative would be to compile mbrola from source
[18:59] <fooman2011> I don't have another sd card
[18:59] <fooman2011> and mbrola is not open source
[18:59] <tig|> ah
[18:59] <fooman2011> free but not open source
[18:59] <fooman2011> :(
[18:59] <tig|> :(
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[19:06] <tig|> anyway I have to dash ttfn
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[19:10] <SirLagz> I need a name for this sensor, that is normally open, but will close a circuit when temperature hits a certain threshold
[19:10] <SirLagz> this is for water temperature.
[19:10] <SirLagz> can't remember what they're called =/
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> A bimetalic thermostat
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> for example
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> or any thermostat
[19:11] <SirLagz> hrrmm
[19:11] <SirLagz> trying to find one to buy on Element14
[19:11] <SirLagz> can't seem to find it lol
[19:11] <ShorTie> for water your gonna need a temperature probe
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> why?
[19:11] <SirLagz> I need one for my car
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[19:11] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=2031+212615&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=thermostat&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&No=0&getResults=true&appliedparametrics=true&locale=en_UK&divisionLocale=en_UK&catalogId=&skipManufacturer=false&skipParametricAttributeId=&prevNValues=2031+212615&filtersHidden=false&appliedHidden=false&autoApply=false&originalQueryURL=%2Fjsp%2Fsearch%2Fbrowse
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> .jsp%3FN%3D2031%2B212615%26Ntk%3Dgensearch%26Ntt%3Dthermostat%26Ntx%3Dmode%2Bmatchallpartial%26No%3D0%26getResults%3Dtrue%26appliedparametrics%3Dtrue%26locale%3Den_UK%26divisionLocale%3Den_UK%26catalogId%3D%26skipManufacturer%3Dfalse%26skipParametricAttributeId%3D%26prevNValues%3D2031%2B212615
[19:11] <SirLagz> that's a long link...
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/nte-electronics/nte-dto180/snap-action-disc-thermostat-open/dp/2192456 for example
[19:12] <SirLagz> yeah similar to that
[19:12] <SirLagz> except i need one that I can stick into water lol
[19:12] <SirLagz> or coolant.
[19:13] <SirLagz> i swear I've seen them on E14 before
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[19:13] <ShorTie> like this maybe ?? http://www.adafruit.com/products/381?gclid=CO7B_9mtxrkCFbF9Ogod5zoAkQ
[19:14] <SirLagz> almost but not quite
[19:14] <SirLagz> 1/8 thread on the sensor
[19:14] <SirLagz> grrr why can't i find it anymoer =/
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[19:14] <fooman2011> Still nobody used mbrola for speech synthesis on raspberry pi ?
[19:15] <SirLagz> maybe I didn't see it on E14 =/
[19:15] <ShorTie> can't just use a water proof wire gromit type thing to hold it in the water ??
[19:15] <ShorTie> car is only like 15 psi
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[19:16] <SirLagz> it'll be going into a water temp adapter block thingy which is threaded
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[19:17] <ShorTie> ya, pipe thread most likely
[19:17] <SirLagz> yep
[19:17] <ShorTie> that is what electrical connectors are
[19:18] <SirLagz> what is ? That probe thing ?
[19:18] <ShorTie> but 1/8" pipe is kinda small
[19:18] <SirLagz> 1/8 is just the thread
[19:18] <SirLagz> for the sensor
[19:18] <ShorTie> no, the gromet thing
[19:18] <SirLagz> oh right
[19:19] <ShorTie> sumfin like this but smaller http://www.homedepot.com/p/Halex-3-4-in-Liquid-Tight-Connector-Nylon-Multipiece-10-Pack-76207B/202241096?MERCH=REC-_-categorylevel2Horizontal1-5-_-NA-_-202241096-_-N#.UjH3gNKsjTo
[19:20] <SirLagz> ah...the sender I'm thinking of needs contact with the pipe
[19:20] <ShorTie> you trying to monitor water temp on your car ??
[19:21] <SirLagz> yes
[19:21] <SirLagz> temp gets above certain range and it'll trigger the fan to turn on
[19:21] <SirLagz> going to try and get my Pi to do something useful :D
[19:21] <ShorTie> you could get a 5/8" or 3/4" tee that has 1/2" pipe thread as tee
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[19:22] <SirLagz> http://dx.com/p/m34-car-tee-joint-water-temperature-gauge-radiator-hose-sensor-adapter-set-blue-219459 <-- I was gonna get one of these to stick into my top hose
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[19:22] <SirLagz> then the sender just sits in there nicely
[19:22] <SirLagz> but i need to find a damn sender lol
[19:23] <ShorTie> ya, just a fancy blue aluminum thing
[19:23] <SirLagz> yep haha
[19:24] <ShorTie> same as i'm talking about, but just regular old plumbing stuff
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[19:25] <SpeedEvil> SirLagz: using a Pi to do this is basically insane.
[19:25] <SirLagz> SpeedEvil: It'll be doing more than just that
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> SirLagz: using a Pi, and a thermostatic disk to do this is _totally_ insane.
[19:25] <SirLagz> one of the many functions I want to use the Pi for
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> As you might concievably gain some benefit using a temperature sensor.
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> And be able to PWM the fan speed.
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> Versus a bimetallic disk which can switch the fan directly, or with the aid of a small relay
[19:27] <SirLagz> yeah, originally i was thinking of the thermo but now I'm leaning towards temp sensor
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[19:28] <SirLagz> I don't think I'll use pwm on the fan though...too much effort haha
[19:28] <SirLagz> simple on/off when water temp hits a certain threshold would be good enouhg for me
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[19:31] <SirLagz> anyway, 1:30 AM here, I'm off to sleep
[19:31] <SirLagz> g'night all
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[19:33] <fooman2011> re
[19:33] <fooman2011> Still nobody used mbrola for speech synthesis on raspberry pi ?
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[19:35] <eval-> how to find a usb stick with good random read/write ?
[19:36] <fooman2011> "TS for #espeak changed from 1379007358 to 1264323974" What does it means ?
[19:36] <bertrik> some kind of time stamp I guess
[19:36] <maxinux> irc server time stamp
[19:37] <maxinux> server that you were on had a newer timestamp than the old server, so you would have lost any splits and not gained ops
[19:37] <maxinux> people on the old server would prevail
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[19:37] <fooman2011> so where is the channel now ?
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[19:39] <Kane> o/
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[19:52] <fooman2011> I'm desperate.. :(
[19:53] <fooman2011> Does anyone already used mbrola for speech synthesis on raspberry pi ?
[19:53] <fooman2011> sorry but I don't have another place to ask
[19:54] <pksato> fooman2011: need speak on that language?
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[19:56] <pksato> fooman2011: http://elinux.org/RPi_Text_to_Speech_%28Speech_Synthesis%29
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[19:59] <fooman2011> pksato I would like to use espeak + mbrola
[19:59] <fooman2011> I though that is was possible
[20:00] <fooman2011> that's why i bough a raspberry pi
[20:00] <fooman2011> but It a big fail!
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[20:00] <fooman2011> I need "french" language
[20:03] <pksato> no about how do , http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=12955
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[20:04] <fooman2011> pksato already looked
[20:04] <fooman2011> :(
[20:05] <pksato> espeak have french. but, dont know about quality
[20:06] <fooman2011> french without mbrola has poor quality
[20:06] <fooman2011> that is why I really need mbrola
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[20:09] <pksato> fooman2011: that linux use on rpi?
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[20:11] <pksato> mbrola is on raspian respository. (if work, I dont know)
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[20:18] <fooman2011> pksato only voices are available i think
[20:19] <fooman2011> what is the package name ?
[20:19] <eval-> i hate choosing a usb flash drive. i want good random r/w, and for one drive i find crystaldiskmark ratings from 1 to 5 to 7 mb/s (for 512k) .. will any drive have such inconsistent "batches" ?
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[20:28] <fooman2011> rahh I'm trying to install the package cicero which depends on mbrola-fr4 which depends on mbrola which is not installable.... How to install this so ?
[20:28] <ShadowJK> eval-; most cheap brands just use whatever internals happens to be cheapest at the time
[20:29] <ShadowJK> And very fast drives tend to suck at random i/o
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[20:29] <ShadowJK> and also I think the 4k random write is more useful
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[20:30] <ShadowJK> I suggest Sandisk Cruzer Blade, anyways. It's the only drive 8Mve found that a) doesn't suck entirely b) isn't impossible to find
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[21:08] <tristan_1990> Hey, I'm having problem with a really simple if statement if anybody could help
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[21:08] <tristan_1990> heres the code (30 lines) https://gist.github.com/anonymous/04bdda6e56786a36f601
[21:09] <tristan_1990> And heres the error - https://gist.github.com/anonymous/80a8e2e4e2402ff655cd
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[21:23] <Chetic> how do I find out what stop-bit, parity and char-size /dev/ttyAMA0 is set to?
[21:23] <Chetic> I have used stty but I want it in plain english, and stty speaks gibberish
[21:25] <Jusii> does setserial work?
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[21:28] <Chetic> Jusii: what do you mean work?
[21:28] <pksato> Chetic: 8 bits, no parity, one stop bit
[21:28] <Jusii> i don't know if it supports arm uart
[21:28] <pksato> aka: 8N1
[21:28] <Chetic> I've changed it to 50 baud though
[21:29] <Jusii> afaik, 10 years ago it didn't ;)
[21:29] <Chetic> dunno if that changes the other parameters
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> evening Pi peoples.
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[21:50] <ShorTie> mornin
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> Chetic, the default is 115200, 8n1
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> Chetic, but you can change it to whatever you want...
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[21:52] <gordonDrogon> Chetic, use stty -F /dev/ttyAMA0 50 # Set to 50 baud.
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> for example.
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[21:55] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4824
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[21:57] <Chetic> gordonDrogon: right, but I want to know what it's set to now
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[21:58] <ShorTie> know thats using your head
[21:59] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, hmm, does the serial driver for the pi support arbitary baud rates nowadays?
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[22:09] <drcasper> hi guys.. simple question.. can i run a web server + mail server from raspberri pi?
[22:09] <sney> yes
[22:09] <drcasper> or is 512mb to small
[22:10] <sney> people have run web servers on far less. just be aware that the more simultaneous clients you have, the slower it'll be
[22:10] <IT_Sean> a small one.
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[22:11] <drcasper> i intent on starting up a pc repair business . just need people to have my info.. AND.. host screenconnect (like teamviewer)
[22:11] <drcasper> can u install additional memory by any chance?
[22:11] <sney> nope
[22:11] <IT_Sean> no
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[22:11] <sney> the ram isn't the bottleneck anyway
[22:12] <sney> if it's a simple static webpage you'll be fine
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[22:12] <drcasper> yeah. static, but the software i'm planning to run might take a toll on resources?
[22:12] <drcasper> sney: what would be the bottle neck?
[22:12] <sney> even apache is pretty easy on your system if you're not serving much
[22:13] <sney> i/o is always the bottleneck on a raspberry pi. everything shares the same single usb 2.0 bus. it can get a little crowded.
[22:13] <drcasper> at this point i'm considering either a vps for 5ddls a month or do my own with raspberri
[22:15] <pksato> use a vps or a shared hosting.
[22:15] <drcasper> thanks pksato
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[22:16] <pksato> RPi can do the job.
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[22:17] <drcasper> buuut... ?
[22:17] <pksato> Its is very powerfull computer if comparated a early internet era machines.
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[22:17] <pksato> era-> age
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, not arbitary by default - you can make some non-standard ones by fiddling with the clocks...
[22:18] <sney> can't keep up with a pci bus though
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> Chetic, just stty -F /dev/ttyAMA0 will tell you what it's set to - hm. just checked a Pi - looks like 9600 might be the default.
[22:20] <pksato> and, to maintain a server, need a fixed ip and reliability connection
[22:21] <pksato> some datacenter/hosting have a colocation service to RPi.
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[22:28] <gordonDrogon> it's true to say that I was handling email (and web) for a 120 person company on a 16MHz 68020 processor with a mere 16MB of RAM once upon a time - some 25 years ago, however email has gotten bigger and a higher volume now - and that system probably had a lower latency disk drive too - that's a big slow down for lots of different things going on on the Pi right now, even though it's effectively solid state...
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[22:29] <fooman2011> re
[22:29] <fooman2011> Still nobody used mbrola for speech synthesis on raspberry pi ?
[22:29] <drcasper> i think i'll just do a vm on my home desktop with server 2008
[22:30] <drcasper> i just don't want the security risk of having people on my network :/
[22:30] <drcasper> any thoughts?
[22:31] <pksato> higher volume of email spam. :P
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[22:33] <gordonjcp> fooman2011: I don't see why it wouldn't work
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[22:34] <fooman2011> hey I just found this gordonjcp
[22:34] <fooman2011> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=13643&p=145286
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[22:35] <fooman2011> they talk about soft floating point... etc... and they talk about a work around using chroot
[22:35] <fooman2011> but I don't understand
[22:35] <gordonjcp> can you install it from the raspbian repositories?
[22:35] <fooman2011> what is an armel chroot
[22:35] <fooman2011> ?
[22:36] <fooman2011> mbrola is only a binary, it can't be installed from raspbian repo
[22:37] <gordonjcp> fooman2011: then you'll need to get the source and compile your own
[22:37] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: You had the web in 1988? ;)
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[22:37] <IT_Sean> They didn't call it The Internet back then, of course. Back then, it was just 'a series of tubes.'
[22:38] <gordonjcp> linuxstb: I had internet access in 1988
[22:38] <gordonjcp> linuxstb: lots of people did
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[22:38] <fooman2011> gordonjcp the sources are not public
[22:38] <linuxstb> gordonjcp: I'm talking about "the web".
[22:38] <fooman2011> this ismy problem...
[22:38] <gordonjcp> fooman2011: oh, well
[22:38] <linuxstb> Which I understand to be http+html
[22:39] <gordonjcp> fooman2011: no idea, then, contact the authors?
[22:39] <fooman2011> already tryied
[22:39] <fooman2011> currently no answer
[22:39] <fooman2011> do you understand the workaround from the URL i gave you ?
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[22:41] <gordonDrogon> linuxstb, ok, out by a few years. it was something called Archie & Gopher ...
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> and FTP and 9600 baud PSS lines...
[22:41] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: That's OK then ;)
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> there was another searcher with a womans name too which I may have forgotten... Veronica? but it was a weird old time.
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[22:44] <gordonDrogon> in the UK when we did get proper Internet (1990 I think) it was cheaper for the company (UK based) to run their own 64Kbps leased line over the atlantic to the Boston office where they had a 56K line to the series of tubes...
[22:44] <fooman2011> Does anyone know what is an armel chroot ?
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> than to buy a 64K oversubscribed line from ukkent..
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[22:45] <shiftplusone> fooman2011, sort of a jail environment, but in what context?
[22:47] <fooman2011> shiftplusone: it is used here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=13643&p=145286 as a workaround to solve one of my problem. But I understand nothing...Could you explain me how to do this please ?
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[22:49] <shiftplusone> fooman2011, it's a little involved. look up chroot. You'll need a soft float rootfs extracted somewhere. I am guessing debian will do, just make sure you get the right version.
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[22:51] <fooman2011> shiftplusone it seems to be very intrusive right ?
[22:51] <shiftplusone> intrusive in what way?
[22:51] <fooman2011> I don't know what I have to look for
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[22:51] <fooman2011> "soft float rootfs extracted somewhere"
[22:51] <fooman2011> that's means nothing for me :(
[22:52] <fooman2011> I just want to run an binary... :'(
[22:52] <shiftplusone> ah, I am a little busy, but hopefully someone else will jump in and explain.
[22:52] <fooman2011> I hope... thanks for your help
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[22:54] <sney> well, you'd basically just install debootstrap, make a directory for your chroot environment, and 'debootstrap --arch=armel wheezy /path/to/directory http://http.debian.net/debian/
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[22:55] <sney> and that would put a very minimal debian wheezy armel into that directory. then you mount /proc, /sys and /dev if necessary and chroot in with 'chroot'
[22:56] <nutzz> hey guys, what do you say about this http://googlecreativelab.github.io/coder/?
[22:56] <fooman2011> well sney
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[22:57] <linuxstb> fooman2011: What do you want to do? Run mbrola?
[22:57] <fooman2011> Yeah
[22:57] <fooman2011> I want to have a text to speech using mbrola
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[22:58] <fooman2011> but mbrola seems to be not compatible with raspbian because of a soft/hard floating point compatibility
[22:59] <gordonjcp> fooman2011: well, it's proprietary closed-source software
[22:59] <fooman2011> yep
[22:59] <gordonjcp> fooman2011: you can contact the supplier to see if they can help, or look for an alternative
[22:59] <fooman2011> already done
[22:59] <fooman2011> no answer
[22:59] <fooman2011> yet
[22:59] <sney> if it runs on debian armel, the chroot is a legit option
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[23:00] <fooman2011> yeah but I'm not an expert
[23:00] <fooman2011> I need detailed commands
[23:00] <sney> I gave you the first commands. come back when you're done
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[23:00] <sney> if something in there confuses you, ask a specific question.
[23:00] <fooman2011> "mount this this and this if necessary" it is too abstract to me
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[23:00] <fooman2011> yeah ok
[23:01] <fooman2011> let me try
[23:01] <fooman2011> first i install debootstrap
[23:03] <fooman2011> ok done
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[23:03] <fooman2011> then i make a directory
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[23:05] <fooman2011> then I run the command: debootstrap --arch=armel wheezy /path/to/directory http://http.debian.net/debian/
[23:05] <sney> where /path/to/directory is the actual directory you just made, /home/fooman/chroot or whatever you called it
[23:05] <fooman2011> yep
[23:06] <fooman2011> ok it currently retrieving packages
[23:06] <sney> so far so good
[23:06] <fooman2011> yep
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[23:07] <fooman2011> what does it doing right now ? It's downloading an entire another raspbian ?
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[23:09] <plugwash> Not exactly, it's downloading a debian armel base system
[23:10] <sney> armel is the soft float one you're after.
[23:10] <fooman2011> mmh ok I think I understand
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[23:12] <fooman2011> It's now resolving dependancies
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[23:13] <tig|> 'nings all
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[23:15] <tig|> blimey fooman2011 I admire your persistance :) a chroot should do it, it allows you to create a sort of walled off sandbox so you can use alternative system libraries inside it without affecting the main system, it also keeps anything inside the chroot messing with the main system
[23:16] <fooman2011> yeah
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[23:20] <tig|> if this gets that software running but then you run into integration issues due to the chroot then you might be better off restarting with a soft float version of raspbian until you can convince them to release a hardfloat version of the software :)
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[23:21] <tig|> you could highlight the number of raspberry pi machines out there :)
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[23:26] <shiftplusone> except that there is no soft float raspbian and the debian image seems to have been taken off the downloads page =/
[23:27] <shiftplusone> So you'd have to dig up an old copy mirrored somewhere or make one yourself.
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[23:28] <PhotoJim> https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi Debian armel works with soft float apparently.
[23:29] <PhotoJim> https://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
[23:29] <shiftplusone> yup, but I doubt debian provides a pi-ready image... hence the building your own thing.
[23:30] <PhotoJim> ahh, that I don't know.
[23:30] <PhotoJim> they certainly did, as you said.
[23:30] <shiftplusone> it was the foundation that did
[23:30] <PhotoJim> and the foundation has withdrawn it?
[23:30] <fooman2011> This command is during a long time
[23:30] <shiftplusone> and I suppose since java has released a proper hardfp vm, they don't see the point anymore.
[23:31] <shiftplusone> but that wiki page is just a rant about how evil the pi is. >_<
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[23:32] <fooman2011> I one time I want to remove that, I will just have to delete the directory that I have created ?
[23:32] <shiftplusone> yup
[23:33] <fooman2011> ok :)
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[23:36] <plugwash> If you want the foundation armel image there seems to be a copy at http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/raspberrypi/images/debian/7/
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[23:40] <shiftplusone> thanks
[23:41] <PhotoJim> yeah, that'll be easily updatable
[23:42] <shiftplusone> not so sure about the 'easily updatable' part.
[23:42] <fooman2011> aaaah
[23:42] <fooman2011> dine
[23:42] <fooman2011> done
[23:42] <fooman2011> what I have to do now ?
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[23:43] <shiftplusone> PhotoJim, Would have to resort to rpi-update for the firmware at least. But yeah, I suppose it's not a big issue. I just don't expect the foundation to keep their repo for it up to date, but that's probably not really required.... so fair enough.
[23:44] <shiftplusone> fooman2011, look under 'mounting the necessary filesystems http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=6
[23:45] <shiftplusone> so mount proc, sys and dev. Then you're ready to chroot.
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[23:47] <PhotoJim> shiftplusone: ignoring firmware, the OS would be easily updatable. hopefully rpi-update would let you keep the proprietary firmware updated as well.
[23:48] <fooman2011> mmmh how to transfert data from my old env to the chroot env ?
[23:48] <sney> the chroot exists in a directory. just move stuff into it.
[23:48] <fooman2011> oh ok
[23:49] <shiftplusone> PhotoJim, yup, I was just thinking of the foundation repo, but I guess that's not important, so yeah you're right.
[23:49] <PhotoJim> use Raspbian if you can. it makes the most sense.
[23:49] <PhotoJim> if you can't, then use what you have to use or run the problematic app on different hardware.
[23:51] <fooman2011> ah yeah
[23:51] <fooman2011> it works!
[23:51] <fooman2011> Thank you very much guys :)
[23:51] <sney> np
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[23:54] <[Saint]> Hmmmm...just noticed something.
[23:54] <[Saint]> Why is this channel set as restricted?
[23:55] <tig|> fooman2011: working?
[23:55] <tig|> fooman2011: HURRAH!
[23:56] <[Saint]> It kinda raises the bar for entry, people seeking help may be using some form of web-based IRC and/or have never used IRC before and won't necessarily know what nick registration is or how and why they need to do it.
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[23:56] <sney> and +r is never worth it to keep out the handful of people who MIGHT show up once in a while looking for warez or porn chat
[23:56] <sney> there's only a point if there's a lot of them
[23:57] <[Saint]> I agree.
[23:57] <tig|> [Saint]: I agree, I just assumed it was due to trolling or trying to make it more of a safer environment by making people identify
[23:57] <plugwash> afaict it was basically because the ops here thought making it slightly harder for people to get away with swearing in here was worth making things harder for newcomers
[23:57] <tig|> but yes it does raise the barrier
[23:57] <[Saint]> but sney pretty much summed up exactly what I was typing at the same time and about to post. :)
[23:57] <sney> bah, of course it comes back to that horribly implemented swearing rule.
[23:58] <[Saint]> head _. desk
[23:58] <[Saint]> whoops. -> even
[23:58] <sney> because if you want a crowd control rule, the best way to go about it is manual enforcement whenever you get around to it. amirite!?
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[23:59] <[Saint]> WHile I admit it could easily be defeated in many ways, a warning/ban bot for language control with a central list of disallowed words is trivial to implement.
[23:59] <sney> it really is.
[23:59] <sney> there is no reason not to do it that way.

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