#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-09-13

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[0:01] <sney> yeah, you get silly things like the 'scunthorpe' problem but for the vast majority of cases, it keeps people in shape and provides a consistent approach.
[0:01] <shiftplusone> Whatever is done, people will complain anyway. We have changed things several times and every time a change is made there's someone complaining how the previous way was better. Sure, that's no reason not to try to make things a little more sensible, but it's just not going to be perfect and pretty much any rule will rub some people the wrong way.
[0:01] <[Saint]> And while it may easily be beaten by inserting spaces, periods, weird unicode characters that are similar to latin chars, etc...it still beats the "maybe something will be done about it IFF someone is watching and their mood at the time".
[0:01] <sney> ^ this
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[0:01] <[Saint]> And bots aren't inconsistent.
[0:02] <sney> and run the bot on a raspberry pi, give it a handful of helpful factoids, maybe a flood kicker, and you've got a nice helper for a functional tech channel
[0:02] <[Saint]> If people are going to go to those lengths to not abide by the channel rules, channel registration probably isn;t going to keep them out either.
[0:03] <chithead> here is a nice list we could feed to the bot http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/about-parliament/history-buildings/history/special/language/00PlibHstBldgsHistorySpecialLanguage1/unparliamentary-language
[0:03] <[Saint]> We could totally rip of "Ubotu"
[0:03] <[Saint]> *off
[0:03] <[Saint]> That helper bot is awesome.
[0:03] <sney> I thought ubottu was just an infobot like dpkg
[0:04] <[Saint]> (gives man page info, package search, dependency lists, etc. etc. etc. it really is an awesome bot)
[0:04] <shiftplusone> Just wondering though. Why do you want 100% enforcement? Why does it matter that some people get away with swearing sometimes? Even if people get away with it sometimes, they don't last long anyway.
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[0:04] <chithead> it's called zero-tolerance policy...
[0:04] <sney> because if that's the attitude, then whyhave the rule?
[0:04] <[Saint]> Its the massive amount of discrepency between the level of enforecement.
[0:04] <[Saint]> That's the issue.
[0:05] <[Saint]> No one m,inds the rules, just the enforecement.
[0:05] <sney> if it's not really a big deal all the time, then drop the rule entirely and replace it with "no trolling" and an !ops command like #debian has
[0:05] <[Saint]> eeeek, typing.
[0:05] <shiftplusone> why all or nothing though?
[0:06] <sney> because you want - I assume, anyway - a community. and a community can get pretty strained if the rules are different at 6PM GMT than at 2AM GMT
[0:06] <[Saint]> The ops seem to really disagree on what is allowable/tolerable, and its not very nice seeing people warned publicly for something that others were getting away with earlier.
[0:07] <sney> when you take it out of a human's hands, you solve that.
[0:07] <sney> human ops can take care of the extraordinary asshats.
[0:07] <sney> oh, hmm. I may have just broken the rule depending on who's on. I have no idea! what surprise will life show me next
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[0:08] <zsentinel> can the rpi interface with adruino components?
[0:08] <[Saint]> I also thought (and mentioned the other day), that despite it being in the topic a channel welcome message with the channel rules link and the asking for help link would be nice.
[0:08] <[Saint]> That way there's no excuses.
[0:08] <zsentinel> like at the store there was this motor shield which was a dc motor controller for the ardruino
[0:09] <[Saint]> (that's something I do with my own channels)
[0:09] <sney> I was an op for several years on a gaming channel with a similar swearing rule and a similar dissonance among the ops re:severity. the years we had a bot, yeah, some people still complained. but it was much more manageable.
[0:10] <shiftplusone> Last I heard, IT_Sean was going to code up a bot, but I am not sure if he will have the time to get around it.
[0:10] <[Saint]> "chanserv set #channel entrymsg insert_text_here" iirc.
[0:10] <[Saint]> ...something like this.
[0:10] <sney> whenever the bot was broken etc, it was a free for all with daily accusations of abuse. now, freenode is a little less nuts than gamesurge, but the parallels are clear
[0:10] <shiftplusone> But I am 100% sure people will just replace letters with symbols anyway =/
[0:10] <sney> some people will, sure.
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[0:10] <sney> but most people will just knock it off.
[0:11] <sney> the extraordinary ones, that's why you still have a human op here and there
[0:11] <[Saint]> Indeed.
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[0:11] <[Saint]> Most people just need a little "hey man, that's not cool here" nudge.
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[0:12] <shiftplusone> And then how do you account for people who are really helpful, have been around, try to follow the rules, but sometimes forget what channel they are in? I suppose a 1 month expiry on warning would take care of that... hmm.
[0:12] <sney> right, and human ops once again - "sorry about that, can you remove my ban?" "Sure!"
[0:12] <[Saint]> you could easily add a whitelist
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[0:12] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I guess I see the merit of a bot for this.
[0:12] <[Saint]> Huzzah.
[0:12] <shiftplusone> So, who's going to whip one up? =P
[0:13] <sney> I could probably dig up the perl sources for the one we used to use over on gamesurge. or something similar. there are many prefab bots
[0:13] <tig|> no whipping the bot, it is rude
[0:13] * tig| kicks self
[0:13] <shiftplusone> Don't bother yet. Would have to check that the others are on board.
[0:13] <[Saint]> I could have a go later on. But it really depends on who wants to be running it and how they want it implemented.
[0:13] <[Saint]> Since there's so many different ways to implement such a bot.
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[0:15] <fooman2011> mmmh guys. Now I would like to make a C program to call the mbrola executable from the chroot environment.
[0:16] <fooman2011> I do this: fork, chroo(chroot path), execlp("mbrola"...)
[0:16] <shiftplusone> fooman2011, you can use the chroot command, but specify the command to run instead of bash.
[0:16] <fooman2011> my C program is called from the NON chroot env
[0:16] <fooman2011> &) It can be works ?
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[0:17] <fooman2011> 2) Something should be wrong because the mbrola called is the one NOT in the chroot env
[0:17] <shiftplusone> chroot /home/fooman/something mbrola
[0:17] <fooman2011> yeah from a script
[0:17] <fooman2011> but from C program
[0:18] <shiftplusone> ah, right
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[0:18] <fooman2011> chroot function doesn't have a command arg :/
[0:18] <shiftplusone> I suppose you could cheat and use system
[0:18] <shiftplusone> but yeah, sorry I missed that part of the question.... carry on >.>
[0:18] <tig|> fooman2011: don't you need to call mbrola from the outside of the chroot?
[0:19] <fooman2011> mmh yeah maybe. In fact i'm patching espeak to use the mbrola from chroot env and not from the current env.
[0:19] <fooman2011> espeak talk with mbrola using pipes
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[0:20] <tig|> actually did espeak actually need to talk to mbrola? the command you sent me earlier just had it talking to a speech model didn't it? or does that invoke mbrola somehow?
[0:21] <fooman2011> 2 ways are available
[0:21] <fooman2011> but the standard speak_lib way calls mbrola using a execlp inside the C code
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[0:24] <Firehopper> http://xkcd.com/879/ < ROTFLMAO!!
[0:25] * tig| facepalms
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[0:25] <tig|> time and place...
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[0:54] <plugwash> <fooman2011> chroot function doesn't have a command arg :/ <-- AIUI if using chroot from a C program you chroot first then run whatever it is you want to run in the new root
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[0:55] <plugwash> so to run a subprogram chrooted you'd probablly start with fork, then chroot, then exec
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[0:58] <nmpro> good night every1
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[1:24] <moosev2> What's that RPi monitoring program called? That provides the pretty web UI?
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[1:27] <Firehopper> not sure, what monitoring program are you talking about?
[1:28] <moosev2> Oh, I think it's called RPi-Monitor
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[1:33] <moosev2> Wait, I don't think I can get the perl libs on arch linux (librrds-perl libhttp-daemon-perl libjson-perl libipc-sharelite-perl) so I might have to use...raspcontrol?
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[2:11] <Marvin-RPi> You could try Nagios
[2:16] <Marvin-RPi> or Ganglia
[2:16] <Marvin-RPi> both are web-based and require PHP
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[3:47] <Jeebiss> Hey guys
[3:49] <pksato> hi
[3:52] <ct0> hay
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[3:56] <Jeebiss> Does someone know the key shortcut to change video inputs durring NOOBs install?
[3:57] <Jeebiss> I know when I did this last time, I had to switch to composite because it defaults at hdmi
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[3:59] <Jeebiss> figured it out, its just the 1-4 number keys
[3:59] <ct0> nice
[3:59] <Jeebiss> the fist time i thought it just wasnt booting
[3:59] <Jeebiss> but oyu need to press 4 to make it show up after it boots apparently
[4:01] <ct0> i have only used the hdmi
[4:01] <ct0> but read somewhere that it switched automatically
[4:02] <Jeebiss> I think the pi usually does, but it is something specific to the NOOBs installer
[4:02] <Jeebiss> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/7790/noobs-wont-start
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[4:08] <Jeebiss> So unrelated note, apparently this huge multipack of resistors, has almsot every bundle wrongly labeled lol
[4:08] <Jeebiss> So, thats nice...
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[4:11] <atouk> Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Wilingly
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[4:13] <Jeebiss> :S
[4:13] <Jeebiss> I imagine that realtes to the resistor codes?
[4:14] <atouk> Black Brown Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Violet Grey White
[4:15] <atouk> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
[4:15] <Jeebiss> isnt therre also a multiplier.
[4:15] <Jeebiss> ?*
[4:15] <PhotoJim> Bad boys do something illegal and sexual to our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
[4:20] <Jeebiss> Someone may appreciate this
[4:20] <Jeebiss> I bought a 1 dollar usb sound card from ebay, and the first one they sent me didnt work
[4:20] <Jeebiss> and they mailed me a new one
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[4:20] <Jeebiss> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vsrky32huj85jd5/2013-09-12%2022.07.20.jpg
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[4:21] <Jeebiss> The new one, has an entirely different circuit board layout
[4:21] <atouk> they look slightly different
[4:21] <Jeebiss> Despite being the same 1 dollar piece of crap lol
[4:21] <Jeebiss> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9oy2446kvnwksle/2013-09-12%2022.07.37.jpg
[4:21] <Jeebiss> Thats the top of them
[4:21] <Jeebiss> The one with the yellow jack is the working one
[4:22] <atouk> probobly didn't work because one has a yellow socket, and the other black. electricity is very picky about colors. that's why + is always red
[4:23] <Jeebiss> I think you nailed it
[4:25] <pksato> No quality control chinese industry.
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[4:48] <nerdboy> ahoy
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[4:50] <[Saint]> tally ho, pip pip, what what.
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[5:03] <j4jackj> Tally ho!
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[5:04] <Jeebiss> Bah, I still cant get VoiceCommand to work lol
[5:04] <Jeebiss> This is driving me insaneeee
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[5:12] <Jeebiss> [Saint], I envy the ease of which you got this to work.
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[5:32] <Jeebiss> Anyone know how to get to the audio mixer?
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[5:33] <Jeebiss> Nevermind, got it, 'alsamixer'
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[5:55] <nerdboy> Jeebiss: you need amixer to switch the output routing, if that's what you're looking for...
[5:56] <Jeebiss> I was just adjusting my mic level
[5:56] <Jeebiss> I cant get this voicecommand program to work x_x
[5:56] <Jeebiss> i worked for like 5 minutes, and refuses to now
[5:56] <Jeebiss> it*
[5:59] <EchoFox> do i NEED an SPI to read a DHT22 sensor?
[5:59] <EchoFox> if its already digital?
[6:01] <Jeebiss> I wouldnt think so
[6:01] <EchoFox> all the blogs ive seen use spi's
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[6:03] <Jeebiss> Hmmm
[6:03] <Jeebiss> I dont know enough to really tell you, but if its already digital, id assume there should be no need for an SPI
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[6:34] <Jeebiss> Is anyone respectable with git?
[6:34] <Jeebiss> I need to go back to a previous commit, and cant figuer out how to
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[6:43] <hifi> Jeebiss: like, edit your commit you just made?
[6:43] <Jeebiss> Sorry, let me rephrase
[6:44] <Jeebiss> I cloned the voicecommand repo, but I want to try an older version to see if it works, how would I revert to that
[6:44] <hifi> git reset --hard <commit hash>
[6:44] <Jeebiss> ah okay, thats what i did
[6:44] <nerdboy> git checkout branchname_or_hash_or_tag
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[6:44] <hifi> that works too
[6:45] <hifi> if you are trying to find a commit that introduced a but I suggest bisect
[6:45] <hifi> a bug*
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[6:46] <Jeebiss> bisect?
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[6:47] <nerdboy> Jeebiss: are you trying to build newer than x-release branch/tag, or go back from HEAD ?
[6:48] <Jeebiss> I cloned the most recent version of the repo, and I want to go back to a previous version
[6:48] <nerdboy> oh, you did say older version...
[6:48] <Jeebiss> https://github.com/StevenHickson/PiAUISuite/commits/master
[6:49] <nerdboy> do git branch -a git tag -l
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[6:49] <nerdboy> *and git tag -l...
[6:50] <nerdboy> if it's just master, then browse "git log" and pick a commit
[6:50] <Jeebiss> if i have the hash i want to go back to
[6:50] <Jeebiss> 78420a41d91f797d7410082edc7ea52daae915dc
[6:51] <Jeebiss> what is the best way?
[6:52] <nerdboy> git checkout <hash>
[6:52] <nerdboy> don't worry about the "detached head" message
[6:52] <InterWeb> Is there any 3.5 mm jack for sound in raspberry ?
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[6:53] <nerdboy> right next to the video jack...
[6:54] <nerdboy> on the latest pi, anyway
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[7:29] <Jeebiss> What would this be called, where he puts all those commands together like this?
[7:29] <Jeebiss> https://github.com/StevenHickson/PiAUISuite/blob/master/VoiceCommand/speech-recog.sh#L34
[7:29] <Jeebiss> I am trying to parse this code, but I know little about bash scripts :S
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[8:44] <Kaikz> So I'm using Arch on my Pi with a static IP which worked for a week or two, and now it's suddenly stopped getting an internet connection, even though I can access it over my local network, anyone know how I can see what's wrong?
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[8:58] <nerdboy> type route and see if you have a sane default gateway
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[8:59] <nerdboy> then check your network config and make sure it's correct there too
[9:05] <Kaikz> Everything seems to be fine
[9:06] <Kaikz> Like I said, the internet connection just stopped working without me doing anything.
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[9:10] <nerdboy> the gateway is pretty much it if it can see the local network but can't find the internet...
[9:11] <nerdboy> your basic routing table should have 3 routes
[9:11] <nerdboy> default, loopback, and the local subnet
[9:12] <nerdboy> can you ping one of those google addresses?
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[9:13] <nerdboy> or try pinging your ISP's gateway address
[9:13] <Kaikz> I only have two entries when I do route, but I can ping 8.8.8.8
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[9:14] <Kaikz> I can ping my ISPs gateway too
[9:14] <nerdboy> is one of your two entries default?
[9:14] <Kaikz> Yes
[9:15] <nerdboy> and the other one?
[9:15] <Kaikz> And the other is 192.168.2.0, which is nothing on my network
[9:15] <Kaikz> The gateway for that is just *
[9:15] <nerdboy> that's the "network" address for the subnet
[9:16] <nerdboy> 192.168.2.0 that is
[9:16] <nerdboy> and the gateway for the default route is correct?
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[9:16] <Kaikz> Yes, but the genmask isn't: http://cl.ly/RMuy
[9:17] <nerdboy> you should have a working loopback address/route
[9:17] <nerdboy> genmask for default is typically 0.0.0.0
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[9:18] <Kaikz> Ok, I figured that was the subnet mask, which is the same value.
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[9:19] <nerdboy> things might get a little weird without a valid loopback address/route...
[9:20] <nerdboy> does ifconfig show the interface as up?
[9:20] <Kaikz> I believe so: http://cl.ly/RN9t
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[9:21] <nerdboy> does arch have an ifup command or equivalent?
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[9:23] <nerdboy> i would try bringing it down and back up again and see if the route gets created properly
[9:23] <nerdboy> or reboot...
[9:23] <Kaikz> I believe "ifconfig eth0 up/down" should work
[9:23] <Kaikz> And I've tried rebooting too
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[9:24] <nerdboy> i meant ifdown/up lo
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[9:26] <Kaikz> Nope, nothing.
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[9:36] <th0rsten> what do I need for my rpi to recognise my logitech quickcam pro?
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[9:37] <ShorTie> why do you say it is not recognised ??
[9:37] <ShorTie> did you look in dmseg for it ??
[9:38] <th0rsten> i see it using lsusb
[9:38] <th0rsten> but there is no /dev/video
[9:38] <th0rsten> so I guess it is recognised, but not in a way that I can access it
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[9:41] <ShorTie> how about in lsmod ??
[9:43] <ShorTie> or what does 'lsusb -vvvvv' say about drivers
[9:44] <th0rsten> i'm not sure what to look for in lsmod. lsusb -vvvvv produces an output way bigger than what I can scroll through
[9:46] <ShorTie> you look in lsusb or dmesg to get device info to look in lsmod to see if it is loaded
[9:47] <ShorTie> most likely you need to modprobe the device
[9:48] <ShorTie> thats if linux has drivers for it
[9:50] <th0rsten> hmm weird. dmesg tells me that the camera is detected and registered as video0. Shouldn't it be in /dev/video0 then?
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[9:53] <ShorTie> i believe that means it is /dev/video0, not that it should be in /dev/video0
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[9:54] <th0rsten> what is the easiest way of accessing it for testing purposes?
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[10:50] <murlock> j
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[10:59] <patagonicus> I nearly finished my LFS booting from a 128MB SD card and now my father has given me a 16MB one. However, I doubt I'll get a full system on that without using uclibc and that has always been complicated. :/
[11:01] <hifi> default raspbian install could boot from a 256MB card
[11:01] <hifi> but smaller than that, no, need some actual tweaking
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[11:03] <patagonicus> Well, a base LFS with the docs removed and squashfsed is something like 80MB including bootloader blobs and kernel. But that still a long way to go.
[11:03] <patagonicus> And I'm doing this only for fun so I'll have to think about trying it. :)
[11:05] <Mortvert> remove ALL the things \o/
[11:06] <tig|> 'nings
[11:07] <patagonicus> Mortvert: I think you're on to something. I could just zero the card and use the Pi to power my USB fan! Fully functional! However, I could just plug it into the charger I use to power the Pi.
[11:08] <murlock> patagonicus: on xDSL router, we managed to put in 8MB firmware samba, asterix, lighttpd ....
[11:08] <murlock> first, with uclibc, everything was compiled with sstrip options
[11:08] <murlock> than rootfs was compressed using squashfs
[11:10] <patagonicus> murlock: Yeah, as I said, I'd have to switch to uclibc with that which would mean switching from LFS to cross LFS. Maybe I'll play around a bit during boring lectures.
[11:11] <murlock> Maybe using openwrt should be a better option, since you have already played with LFS :)
[11:12] <patagonicus> Using something that has already been built for that purpose takes away all the fun. :)
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[11:25] <D-Boy> Hi, Can this command "sudo chown -R pi / var / www" be reverted without format/reinstall raspbian ? the dev isn't that good with linux command :/
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[11:26] <tig|> D-Boy: yes should be doable
[11:26] <mgottschlag2> D-Boy: you could compare with a new install, most files should be owned by root
[11:26] <mgottschlag2> some aren't, especially when it comes to various services
[11:27] <mgottschlag2> you could also write a script to automate it
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[11:27] <linuxstb> D-Boy: I would say reinstall… Unless you're very bored.
[11:27] <tig|> generally speaking most things are root apart from inside /home where they should be owned by the users names
[11:28] <tig|> then there are few things in /dev and /var which will need doing
[11:28] <tig|> but should be easy enough
[11:28] <tig|> you may as well give it a shot before blowing it away with a new install :)
[11:29] <D-Boy> okey, I'll try with chown -R root / to see if things go stright forward ^^
[11:29] <D-Boy> thx guys
[11:29] <D-Boy> tig| : yeah ^^
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[11:30] <th0rsten> Hi. I am still failing to get a symlink at /dev/video0 for my logitech quickcam pro. I would appreciate any pointers. I am running raspbianr
[11:30] <D-Boy> I have another RPi with fresh install, I could verify some ownerships but it's time consuming i guess
[11:31] <tig|> D-Boy: shouldn't be too bad really
[11:31] <tig|> just compare the two
[11:31] <tig|> you probably only need to go one level into each directory
[11:33] <linuxstb> D-Boy: And don't give that dev root access again...
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[11:34] <tig|> lol, everyone makes mistakes and that is the kind of thing you learn from
[11:34] <D-Boy> :)
[11:34] <linuxstb> D-Boy: You could always make that dev fix it...
[11:34] <tig|> at least it was on a raspi and not a large server with a couple of TB of production data :)
[11:34] <tig|> linuxstb: I have a suspicion the dev is :)
[11:34] <D-Boy> tig| : that one, NO ONE has acces to it :D
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[11:36] <D-Boy> linuxstb : yeah the dev (a girl) has nothing to do with linux in general, but that was the 'boss' idea to give her the gpio part of the project to dev
[11:36] <linuxstb> D-Boy: But seriously, asking her to fix that mistake will be a useful lesson in Linux...
[11:36] <D-Boy> linuxstb : sure
[11:37] <D-Boy> but, she has to know something about it before, linux is not windows and CLI is certainly not DOS
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[11:38] <tig|> also remember you can totally backup a pi by simply shutting it down and using dd to make an image of the sd card, then you can always revert to it :)
[11:39] <D-Boy> tig| : yes, I asked of a couple of SDCards to do that, and still waiting ^^'
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[11:49] <D-Boy> tig| : hum, that starts well :p "sudo: effective uid is not 0, is sudo installed setuid root?"
[11:49] <D-Boy> (i'm not familiar with sudo thing)
[11:49] <tig|> ah
[11:50] <mentar> Happy Programmers' day all :)
[11:50] <tig|> this could be interesting
[11:50] <D-Boy> mentar : \o/ we want the 'raspberry cake' !
[11:51] <tig|> D-Boy: ok do it without the sudo
[11:51] <tig|> D-Boy: as you have changed the ownership to pi
[11:51] <tig|> so as pi you should be able to change it to whatever you want
[11:51] <tig|> then once /usr/bin is back to being owned by root then sudo will work again :)
[11:51] <D-Boy> tig| : i'm afraid no, chown: changing ownership of `/root/.profile': Operation not permitted : an example
[11:52] <tig|> D-Boy: try doing /usr/bin first
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[11:53] <D-Boy> tig| : not finished yet but i see a lot of operation not permitted ^^
[11:54] <tig|> D-Boy: did the original chown command finish (the one that got you into this mess :) )
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[11:58] <D-Boy> tig| : no idea, nothing on the /var/log/syslog, I did 'find' the mistake on the history command, otherwise she 'swear she's not guilty' :)
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[11:58] <tig|> let's do the essentials first :)
[11:59] <tig|> who owns /bin /sbin and /usr/bin
[11:59] <mgottschlag2> you might want to do that from a different computer :)
[11:59] <mgottschlag2> if sudo is not owned by root, it cannot work
[12:00] <tig|> mgottschlag2: but if it is owned by the current user they can put it back to root
[12:00] <D-Boy> tig| : pi:root for the 3 directories
[12:00] <D-Boy> mgottschlag2 : pulling the sdcard for the RPi and changing ownerships ?
[12:00] <tig|> first things first
[12:00] <mgottschlag2> yeah, but it is necessary to be careful about the right order, a different computer might be easier
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[12:01] <tig|> backup all data
[12:01] <tig|> :)
[12:01] <thunder1212> hi
[12:01] <tig|> mgottschlag2: yeah I suppose it would be easier
[12:01] <tig|> then just mount to pi cards up and make them match
[12:01] <D-Boy> tig| : yeah i dit scp the data on another server
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[12:02] <thunder1212> i downloaded the noobs zip file and formatted my sd card and then extracted the noobs files and copied it to the sd card. but when i insert it in pi it doesnt work?
[12:03] <tig|> thunder1212: what did you format the card to?
[12:03] <thunder1212> fat32
[12:03] <tig|> did you extract it into the root of the sd card?
[12:03] <linuxstb> If you look at the SD card, what files do you see? Are they inside a sub-folder?
[12:03] <D-Boy> thunder1212 : what output do you use ? I haven't an hdmi monitor so i did use the video output on a datashow and clik on 3 or 4 key on the keyboard to get the view
[12:04] <thunder1212> linuxstb, no
[12:04] <thunder1212> D-Boy, i use rca
[12:04] <D-Boy> thunder1212 : try to click on 1 to 4 num keys to get the output
[12:04] <thunder1212> D-Boy, ok
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[12:13] <thunder1212> D-Boy, no output
[12:13] <thunder1212> is the pi dead :(
[12:13] <linuxstb> thunder1212: What colour LEDs are lit?
[12:13] <thunder1212> linuxstb, red
[12:13] <thunder1212> on the pi
[12:14] <linuxstb> What files are on your SD card?
[12:17] <linuxstb> Or more specifically, do you see bootcode.bin, start.elf, fixup.dat, config.txt (I'm not sure what the noobs image contains...)
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[12:19] <thunder1212> linuxstb, i see bootcode.bin but no start.elf
[12:20] <thunder1212> linuxstb, neither do i see fixup.dat
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[12:33] <D-Boy> Okey, So I have the shiped Noobs sdcard with RPi, I see there is a folder 'images' on it , I can reinstall from those ones ? or do i need to format the sdcard ?
[12:34] <ShorTie> have you booted the rPi with the card to see the options ??
[12:35] <D-Boy> ShorTie : the first time yes, and i choosed Raspbian, now i want to reinstall raspbian
[12:35] <D-Boy> from the website : The best part is that NOOBS stays on your SD card, so if things go wrong you can load up NOOBS at any time to reinstall an OS <== how to do so ?
[12:35] <D-Boy> is there a grub which let me choose ?
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[12:36] <ShorTie> i'd just download the raspbian image and write it to the card
[12:36] <ShorTie> no grub per say
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[12:37] <D-Boy> ShorTie : yeah that's the safest way to do, I'd like to take advantage of their NOOBS system ^^'
[12:37] <ShorTie> for ??
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[12:38] <ShorTie> there is berryboot that is similar to noobs
[12:39] <ShorTie> it is sortta like grub, but more enhanced
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[12:40] <D-Boy> ShorTie : okey, i'll check
[12:40] <D-Boy> thx :)
[12:43] <ShorTie> D-Boy, you know not to keep any thing of importance on the sdcard right ??
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[12:44] <ShorTie> mornin
[12:44] <D-Boy> ShorTie : yes sir! we're on the dev-stage at the moment, trying to integrage RPis on a telemetry system ^^
[12:44] <D-Boy> integrate*
[12:44] <D-Boy> Morning gordonDrogon
[12:44] <D-Boy> love your WiringPI :p
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> thanks!
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[12:49] <D-Boy> ShorTie : found it ! The best part is that NOOBS stays on your SD card, so if things go wrong you can load up NOOBS at any time to reinstall an OS
[12:49] <D-Boy> oops again
[12:49] <D-Boy> NOOBS also creates a recovery partition, which can be accessed by holding Shift when the Pi boots. This lets users switch operating systems, or reinstall the OS if the card is corrupted
[12:52] <ShorTie> you can always dd your card for backup, that would save a lot of re-install time
[12:54] <D-Boy> ShorTie : yes, i'll do this time
[12:56] <ShorTie> berryboot can also like boot off the usb, not only the sdcard
[12:58] <D-Boy> interesting
[12:59] <D-Boy> but from what i read the sdcard needs to be on for booting from a usb disk
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[13:01] <ShorTie> well, that is why i said sort of
[13:01] <ShorTie> yes, there must be a sdcard
[13:01] <ShorTie> for certain stuff
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[13:08] <berzerka> hey there! i need the exact specs of the model b usb integrated hub/ethernet phy. is this http://www.smsc.com/Products/Ethernet_and_Embedded_Networking/USB_to_Ethernet_Controllers/USB_to_Ethernet_Controller_Hub_Combos/LAN951x/Description the correct component? and which of the 3 versions is being used?
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[13:10] <berzerka> seems to be the 9512..
[13:11] <ShorTie> lsusb -vvvvv mught help ya berzerka
[13:11] <berzerka> ShorTie, i don't own a raspberry yet :)
[13:11] <ShorTie> ya, that be kinda hard then, lol.
[13:12] <berzerka> got the datasheet. sorry for the noise. (http://www.smsc.com/media/Downloads_Public/Data_Sheets/9512.pdf)
[13:13] <ShorTie> np, we like noise
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[13:27] <fooman2011> hello guys. How are you today ?
[13:27] <ShorTie> still breathing if that means any thing, lol.
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[13:29] <fooman2011> For your info.If you're interested by text to speech on raspberrypi, I just compiled an Mbrola version for the raspberry pi. It is available here: http://www.tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola/
[13:32] <linuxstb> fooman2011: The source code is available now?
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[13:40] <linuxstb> berzerka: lsusb seems to say it's the 9512: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9512 Standard Microsystems Corp.
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[13:46] <th0rsten> anyone has an idea why i got no /dev/video0 for my logitech quickcam pro? raspbian with freshly updated kernel. pwc recognizes cam and registered it as video0. udev is running.
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[14:41] <gordonDrogon> today is a baking day, so in & out :)
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[14:41] <ShorTie> i'll take a cheesecake pleaze
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> Heh... today is blackjack, devon apple cake and lemon polenta cake... some bread too.
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[14:44] <neilr> blackjack? Is that like flapjack?
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> yes - with blackcurrants.
[14:44] <neilr> (I *love* flapjack)
[14:44] <neilr> mmmmmmmmmm
[14:44] <neilr> I'm on my way :)
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> it's for a local shop opening tomorrow.
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> although the polenta cake is for the local LUG meeting tonight in Exeter ...
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> it's gluten free and we have one chap who can't eat wheat..
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[14:45] <neilr> I'll get my children making Scones later when they get in from school. It's good that they earn their keep.
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> good move!
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> I make scones by the batch.. 50 an hour :)
[14:46] <neilr> Just about matches my consumption rate.
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> Yea, mine too!!!
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[14:47] <neilr> Feeling peckish now. Best put the kettle on.
[14:48] <tig|> gordonDrogon: scones are the fastest cake known (depending on your pronunciation)
[14:48] <tig|> because as soon as you see one it's scone
[14:48] <BurtyB> bum bum
[14:49] <tig|> I might make another shooters sandwich next week, not made one in about a year
[14:50] <th0rsten> any suggestions what is going wrong here: http://paste.debian.net/39486/ ?
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[15:21] <Niyeaux> anybody around right now?
[15:22] <Niyeaux> need a bit of help
[15:22] <SirLagz> Niyeaux: what's up ?
[15:23] <Niyeaux> i'm having problems with Nginx
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[15:23] <Niyeaux> basically, i'm running RaspyFi, and it's supposed to have a web ui
[15:24] <Niyeaux> when by R Pi is plugged into a wired connection, i can load the web ui from other devices on my local network just fine
[15:24] <Niyeaux> but when i set up the R Pi on wi-fi, the web UI craps out and throws an Nginx error message
[15:24] <tig|> Niyeaux: how did you setup the wifi?
[15:24] <Niyeaux> with wicd-curses
[15:24] <tig|> hmmm I would reset the wifi up again as I did this last night and it worked fine
[15:24] <Niyeaux> and the wi-fi itself works! i can SSH to the R Pi, and it can ping external addresses, and all that
[15:25] <tig|> Niyeaux: have you tried restarting nginx
[15:25] <tig|> as I think I have rebooted mine
[15:25] <Niyeaux> just give it a service nginx restart?
[15:25] <tig|> yes or /etc/init.d/nginx restart
[15:26] <Niyeaux> hmmm, i'll give that a try when i get home
[15:26] <Niyeaux> rebooting it outright didn't work though, so i'm not sure restarting the service will
[15:26] <tig|> oh
[15:26] <tig|> when you rebooted it did you have the ethernet cable still in?
[15:27] <Niyeaux> no, i had it running on the wi-fi, and rebooted it (a couple times actually), and while the wi-fi autoconnects and works fine every time, the web UI never comes back
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[15:28] <Niyeaux> it's gotta be something weird going on with nginx, or maybe mpd?
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[15:33] <gnerd> Anybody know how to make the pi a VPN with an airport base station
[15:35] <megaproxy> worst friday 13th ev0r
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[15:36] <fooman2011> re
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[15:38] <fooman2011> linuxstb: sorry for the delay. Nope unfortunetely the mbrola source code is not available... but I signed a certificate from the creator to get the sources and compile them for the raspberry pi
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[15:45] <fooman2011> How to tell raspberry to ouput sound to the USB headset instead of the Jack plug ?
[15:46] <Jusii> I think alsa is the keyword
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[15:47] <fooman2011> yep
[15:47] <fooman2011> but i'm looking for the correct way
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[15:48] <fooman2011> on forums they talk about modify alsa-base.conf but they are "not sure"
[15:48] <pksato> redirect sound on Linux is not a easy task. if dont have some sound server like pulseaudio.
[15:48] <Jusii> asoundrc
[15:48] <Jusii> or /etc/asound.conf
[15:49] <pksato> alsa way is to create a .asoundrc with default settings.
[15:49] <pksato> but, some applications dont use alsa lib, and send direct to device.
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[15:50] <fooman2011> what I have to put intot asoundrc ?
[15:50] <pksato> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc
[15:50] <fooman2011> thanks
[15:50] <pksato> The default plugin
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[15:51] <pksato> nano -w ~/.asoundrc
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[15:52] <fooman2011> why they talk to my about "soundcard"
[15:52] <pksato> card 0 is rpi internal sound
[15:52] <fooman2011> I just have a headset
[15:52] <pksato> or not. :)
[15:52] <Jusii> usb headset is a usb soundcard
[15:52] <fooman2011> a headset is like a soundcard ?
[15:53] <tig|> if it is a usb one then yes
[15:53] <Jusii> anything usb audio is a soundcard
[15:53] <pksato> yes, headset e a soundcard
[15:53] <fooman2011> oh ok
[15:53] <fooman2011> I didn't know, thanks for the info
[15:53] <pksato> if ir is connected to usb.
[15:53] <pksato> to list card, cat /proc/asound/cards
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[15:56] <UA-07> Hi All :)
[15:56] <SirLagz> hi
[15:56] <pksato> fooman2011: some applications like omxplayer dont use alsa (or other), It send direct to cpu/gpu audio circuit.
[15:56] <UA-07> Hi SirLagz
[15:57] <UA-07> I have have a question, which is kind of an annoyance to me in the RPi
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[15:58] <UA-07> How do you manage to run GUI apps when it's always lagging after the second or third opened window
[15:58] <SirLagz> UA-07: Not sure about that, I don't run a GUI on my Pis lol
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[15:58] <UA-07> I tried LXDE with Raspian and XFCE on Arch and both are damn slow
[15:58] <fooman2011> pksato ok. But currently I only use alsa app
[15:59] <UA-07> I am doing that too
[15:59] <fooman2011> 'im trying to find the correct hw:X,X
[15:59] <pksato> opened window? what window?
[15:59] <fooman2011> I'm testing using aplay -D
[15:59] <UA-07> I am using my Pi for testing stuff I can't do on my Mac and as a Linux Box
[16:00] <fooman2011> The USB headset seems to be the second sound device so I do: aplay -D hw:1,0 foo.wav
[16:00] <fooman2011> but I get the error message: aplay: set_params:1087: Number of channels not available
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[16:01] <fooman2011> channels count not available
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[16:19] <fooman2011> mmmh ok
[16:19] <fooman2011> I can heard the sound now
[16:19] <fooman2011> but it is horrible
[16:19] <fooman2011> very poor quality
[16:20] <fooman2011> something is wrong somewhere
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[16:25] <pksato> fooman2011: a good quality headset? or one of theses cheap?
[16:26] <fooman2011> I just test the headset under windows
[16:26] <fooman2011> it is ok
[16:27] <fooman2011> something is wrong on my Raspberry Pi
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[16:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> fooman2011 audio via the headphone jack is poor - can be inproved - what you need is HDMI audio or API audio
[16:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> SPI*
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[16:41] <fooman2011> Ok I understood where the problem comes from
[16:42] <fooman2011> I have to call => "aplay -D hw:1,0 test.wav" to output sound to my usb headset
[16:42] <fooman2011> that works only if the wav file is 44100 16bits Stereo
[16:43] <fooman2011> Is there a way to be able to read wav file not in this format ?
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[16:48] <pksato> fooman2011: need to use resample plugin on alsa.
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[18:33] <Kane> o/
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[19:01] <fooman2011> For your info.If you're interested by text to speech on raspberrypi, I just compiled an Mbrola version for the raspberry pi. It is available here: http://www.tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola/
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[19:03] <bts__> hello
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[19:09] <nutzz> hey guys, what happens if i plug-in a raspberry pi without a sd card?
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> I want to be able to play sounds on the Pi - but not pre-recorded .wav files, plain old sine waves... Oh for the days when computers had a "sound chip" to do this for you...
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> nutzz, it just gets slightly warm, but nothing else happens.
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[19:10] <nutzz> i just pluged my raspberry pi to may tv (using composite video cable) and ai plugged it in(the raspbbery) ... and nothing
[19:10] <nutzz> my*
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[19:12] <nutzz> i mean, i don't see nothing on the tv screen
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[19:13] <ninharp> nutzz, what you wanted to see without sdcard?
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[19:13] <nutzz> a black screen and an error ?
[19:14] <ninharp> nope
[19:14] <ninharp> nothing is correct
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[19:14] <ninharp> the pi got no bios ;P
[19:15] <nutzz> aaa
[19:15] <nutzz> now i understand
[19:15] <nutzz> thanks
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[19:15] <vortexx> I think the display isn't even initialised without the firmware on the SD card
[19:15] <nutzz> aaaa
[19:15] <vortexx> in that msdos partition
[19:15] <nutzz> so ehn i starts i loads the content from sd card
[19:16] <nutzz> when*
[19:16] <vortexx> yes
[19:16] <mrueg> if i try to set and unset the gpio in a high frequency the raspberry sometimes fails to set it for one cycle. is this a known bug or some software scheduling issue?
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> mrueg, you're fighting against a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system.
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[19:22] <gordonDrogon> There will be latency - it's almost impossible to generate a very high frequency stable output in software.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> although you can get close, but even then things like the memory refresh will get in the way.
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[19:22] <gordonDrogon> above about 100KHz and you're into the weird zone..
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[19:23] <mrueg> gordonDrogon: "high frequency" = 1MHz
[19:23] <mrueg> there should be plenty of other processing cycles for the other tasks available, right?
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> plenty of cycles, but you'll not get anything stable at that frequency.
[19:26] <fooman2011> gordonDrogon have you look at ALSA api ?
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> its almost impossible to delay for 0.5�S
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> fooman2011, thanks - looking at SDL stuff as my application already uses SDL..
[19:27] <fooman2011> you're looking for the minimal latency ?
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> mrueg, use the hardware - install wiringPi; gpio -g mode 4 clock ; gpio -g clock 4 1000000
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> there is one pin that can be plumbed into the hardware clocks.
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[19:29] <mrueg> gordonDrogon: do you think I could avoid all the user scheduling if i implement this as a kernel module? would this improve stability?
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> mrueg, probably, but the hardware will still get in the way, and I still don't think you can schedull a process with a 0.5�S accuracy at all.
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[19:40] <nutzz> hey guys, i don't understand this how this function works(array_diff_uassoc) http://pastium.org/view/1ae20cbe40c89af660fdbcc447958677(check out the output) why does it compare the index of secod element of first array against the index of first elemnt of the first array(check out the first output line)
[19:40] <nutzz> wrong chat
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[20:11] <prp-e> Hi, I've connected my board to modem using cable, and I could control it using ssh or vnc. but now I can't ping it. what's the problem?!
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[20:41] <bts__> gordonDrogon: how do you think - is there any point writing low-level things, as gpio/spi/pwm etc. driver objective way (in c++)?
[20:43] <bts__> I'm just curious what's your opinion, as you have great experience in that matter
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[20:46] <pksato> http://googledevelopers.blogspot.se/2013/09/coder-simple-way-to-make-web-stuff-on.html
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[21:08] <Firehopper> yay, udoo schemaitcs available now! http://download.udoo.org/files/schematics/UDOO_REV_D_schematics.pdf
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[21:18] <Jeebiss> gah! so i convinced myself that the port on the raspi must be a mini hdmi, so i bought the mini to normal cable, without even trying a normal cable...
[21:18] <Jeebiss> i waited like a week for it to show up in the mail nad everything haha
[21:19] <sney> welp
[21:19] <Jeebiss> now ill just steal the cable from my xbox
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[21:25] <Jeebiss> using hdmi, the pi should output sound to the tv right?
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[21:27] <vortexx> depends on the drivers of your kernel Jeebiss
[21:27] <vortexx> it's not always a given
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[21:27] <Jeebiss> I assume the kernal is part of the OS you install?
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[21:27] <Jeebiss> I installed Raspbian via NOOBs
[21:27] <vortexx> Jeebiss, yes
[21:28] <vortexx> mh then it likely works but check the forum
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[21:33] <Jeebiss> Hmmm
[21:33] <Jeebiss> Now that I switched to HDMI, nothing is displayed :S
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[21:34] <vortexx> Jeebiss, without rebooting?
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[21:34] <vortexx> Jeebiss, it's probably not dynamic, reboot and you should be fine
[21:34] <Jeebiss> It was off when I switched over
[21:34] <vortexx> ok
[21:34] <vortexx> weird! then maybe it's not working properly
[21:34] <lee> huh, cool! http://blog.bytemark.co.uk/2013/09/13/sympiosis-porting-our-symbiosis-hosting-environment-to-raspberry-pi
[21:35] <Jeebiss> gah, i dont want to just pull my power plug
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[21:37] <sney> there's no harm in it
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[21:39] <ShorTie> try rebooting with it on Jeebiss
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[21:50] <Jeebiss> Gah, sorry, my internet is being really spotty
[21:50] <Jeebiss> If the ACT light it blikning fairly rapidly, that means something is happening right?
[21:50] <Jeebiss> Im trying to properly shutdown my pi, without a owrking screen..
[21:50] <sney> that means you have some sort of ethernet activity on the device
[21:51] <sney> it is receiving and/or transmitting frames
[21:51] <Jeebiss> I thought the FDX LNK and 100 lights were for ethernet
[21:51] <Jeebiss> Isnt ACT for the SD card?
[21:51] <sney> I don't think so? typically a nic will have both LNK and ACT lights
[21:52] <Jeebiss> If i pull the ethernet cable, it still blinks rapidly
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[21:52] <Jeebiss> but the other 3 turn off
[21:52] <sney> hum, ok, that's different
[21:52] <Jeebiss> So i wonder what I told my pi to do
[21:52] <Jeebiss> Thats taking so long
[21:53] <Jeebiss> Obviously its not shutting down like I had hoped lol
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[21:55] <pellis> hello
[21:55] <pellis> i'd like to do something like google glass does - voice recognition just for my home, to play music
[21:55] <pellis> something like "ok pi. play Miles Davis"
[21:55] <pellis> anyone done something like this?
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[21:56] <Jeebiss> pellis: i am working on the exact same thing
[21:57] <Jeebiss> http://stevenhickson.blogspot.com/2013/06/voice-command-v30-for-raspberry-pi.html
[21:57] <Jeebiss> Check out VoiceCommands
[21:58] <pellis> looks exciting!
[21:59] <pellis> i forgot to add, that i'd like my pi to be constantly listening for commands
[21:59] <Jeebiss> It can do that
[21:59] <Jeebiss> Well, supposedly
[22:00] <Jeebiss> I have been messing with it for a coupel days now
[22:00] <Jeebiss> I worked for a bit, but I think my input method is crappy
[22:00] <Jeebiss> http://stevenhickson.blogspot.com/2013/06/installing-and-updating-piauisuite-and.html
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[22:00] <Jeebiss> Definitely watch the videos, hes explains it well
[22:00] <pellis> yep looking at it
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[22:13] <Jeebiss> oooh nice, hdmi is a lot nicer looking
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[23:23] <h1nd> hey all. I just installed my new RPi. I am confused when lookin on its RAM. It says it only has a total RAM of 374 (!). My first RPi shows 485 as total RAM. In raspi-config I have chosen at both RPi's 16M for the GPU and rebooted. Whats going on here?
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[23:28] <ShadowJK> does /proc/iomem look same?
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[23:31] <h1nd> ShadowJK: No. On my good RPi it shows in first line 00000000-1effffff : System RAM. On my new RPi it shows 00000000-17ffffff : System RAM
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[23:39] <EpixP0ison> I'm considering putting cPanel on a raspberrypi for a cheap echo freindly n00b freindly resllable webserver :/ not to sure how well it will run if at all but has anybody tried this?
[23:40] <pksato> h1nd: boot both with same SD?
[23:40] <EpixP0ison> there arnt many RHEL based os's that will work on the PI but SL and a few others are cPanel comptarable
[23:42] <h1nd> pksato, yes. And I just installed the third one, and the 3rd is correct, shows me 485M with "free -m" command. There was a command to check the board of a Rpi, it displays information about brand,model,revision, etc... what was it (I forgot) ?
[23:43] <plugwash> EpixP0ison, if you aren't wedded to cpanel specifically you might be interested in the fact that bytemark ported symbiosis to raspbian recently
[23:44] <EpixP0ison> i tend to go with cPanel for bussines reasons as its more.... used among those with lesser understanding of running webservers and quite alot of my previous clients from my previous hosting companys couldnt even handle simple things such as webmin on a vps :/
[23:45] <EpixP0ison> cPanel has always been the "easy alternative" although me myself i prefer to run lighttpd and nginx servers and bind dns as a stand alone
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[23:46] <EpixP0ison> in "theory" it is possable as cPanel only requires 266 Mhz 512mb ram (1GB+ recomended) and 10GB hdd so possable but of course not..... enterprise kinda standered
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[23:47] <dRbiG> hello
[23:47] <EpixP0ison> issues mainly is finding a compantable RHEL based os as cPanel "officlay" only supports CentOS 5 / 6 RHEL 5 / 6 and cloudlinux 5/6 none of which (as far as im aware) work with the pi at current
[23:47] <pksato> h1nd: run /opt/vc/vcgencmd get_mem
[23:49] <h1nd> pksato: cat /proc/cpuinfo shows me 000e for all my RPis. That should be fine, because http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory indicated that this is an actual 512MB model.
[23:49] <pksato> vcgencmd get_mem arm ; vcgencmd get_mem gpu
[23:50] <EpixP0ison> fedora will work with cPanel :/
[23:51] <plugwash> There is a fedora variant for the Pi but i've no idea if cpanel would work with it
[23:51] <EpixP0ison> in "theory" it should
[23:51] <EpixP0ison> pi comptable with fedora remix
[23:51] <EpixP0ison> and fedora compatable with cPanel
[23:51] <h1nd> pksato: Ok, that command helped. On the problem RPi it shows me, that 128M are used for GPU. But that's wrong. I double-executed raspi-config and did enter 16 for the GPU (as I always do). I rebooted afterwards. The command "grep -i gpu /boot/config.txt" also outputs the line "gpu_mem=16". So why it's not loaded by my problem RPi ??
[23:51] <EpixP0ison> just depends on what the "remix" has changed
[23:52] <EpixP0ison> all "should" be fine just wondered if anybody else has done this
[23:52] <plugwash> It also depends on if cpanel contains any binaries without source
[23:52] <plugwash> if it does then you are screwed trying to run it on any non-pc architecture
[23:52] <EpixP0ison> yeh :/
[23:53] <EpixP0ison> hence why it would be best to check first :p
[23:53] <EpixP0ison> maybe i should just order 1 pi rather then 10 :/ test it out see if it will work
[23:53] <pksato> h1nd: for new 512MB version need other parameter to set gpu memoty
[23:53] <h1nd> pksato: what you mean?
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[23:55] <h1nd> pksato: I am always using the default config tool "raspi-config" for adjusting these settings. It's not my first RPi I have installed. I did it with over 40 RPi's before and it worked like a charm. I just "looked" into /boot/config.txt to ensure, that my desired settings was written correctly in this file. And it was! But RPi doesn't seem to load that. Any clues?
[23:55] <pksato> gpu_mem_512=
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[23:56] <h1nd> pksato: you mean I have to use gpu_mem_512=16 on this problem RPi ? So why raspi-config doesn't do that automatically for me? That's crazy
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[23:56] <pksato> check if have gpu_mem_512 on config.txt
[23:56] * ruben-ikmaak (~ikmaak@541A275B.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:56] <pksato> it overwrite gpu_mem=
[23:57] <h1nd> pksato: No, I only have one gpu_mem= line
[23:57] <pksato> or, have a Dynamic Memory Split enabled
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[23:58] <h1nd> Dynamic Memory Split is unknown to me, didnt hear that before
[23:58] <pksato> grep cma config.txt
[23:58] <pksato> or again grep gpu_mem config.txt
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