#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-09-14

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[0:01] <h1nd> pksato: as I said before: "grep cma /boot/config.txt" doesnt produce output, because the line is not in there. And "grep gpu_mem /boot/config.txt" outputs the line "gpu_mem=16"
[0:01] <h1nd> I just rebooted again, didn't help :(
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[0:02] <h1nd> "head -n1 /proc/meminfo" is also showing MemTotal: 383612 kB
[0:02] <pksato> change to high value and see that happens
[0:02] <h1nd> :(
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[0:04] <pksato> like maximum gpu_mem=448
[0:05] <h1nd> I used raspi-config and entered 256MB. This setting was applied as I checked after the reboot. Now I will switch it back again to 16M ...
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[0:05] <pksato> updated firmware?
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[0:06] <h1nd> which firmware? after installing a raspberryPi for the first time, I am doing a "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade".
[0:07] <Rydekull> apt-get install rpi-update
[0:07] <h1nd> pksato: Nope, doesnt work. config.txt shows 16M, but free -m shows me 374M only :( I will try rpi-update
[0:08] <pksato> =32 ?
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[0:08] <h1nd> didnt try 32, but even if 32 would work, that would not satisfy me.
[0:09] <h1nd> is a "sudo rpi-update" enough, or should I take a "sudo apt-get install git-core -y && sudo wget https://raw.github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/master/rpi-update -O /usr/bin/rpi-update && sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update && sudo rpi-update" ??
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[0:11] <Rydekull> if you had it in your repo, executing rpi-update is enough after installing it
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[0:13] <h1nd> When do I have to run this rpi-update? I never did that before :( is that only necessary when having problems or should I execute that after I have updated/upgraded with apt-get my packages ?
[0:14] <pksato> apt-get upgrade upgrade firmware, if really need.
[0:14] <pksato> use rpi-update with caution.
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[0:15] <h1nd> what u mean by "use with caution" ? what can I do wrong and fail?
[0:16] <pksato> No you.
[0:18] <h1nd> Firmware upgrade finished, rebooted, "free -m" still shows me 374 :(
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[0:18] <pksato> ways you can rewrite sd card with fresh OS.
[0:19] <h1nd> pksato: but this IS a fresh install :/
[0:19] <pksato> try =17 or other random number.
[0:20] <pksato> and, post this issue on official forum. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/
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[0:29] <h1nd> 17M didnt help either, it's still 374M showed :(
[0:30] <pksato> 32M is accepted?
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[1:06] <monkers> Hello
[1:07] <monkers> so i just found the raspberry pi 'camera' and now im thinking theres no use mucking about with a usb webcam or anything like that. Is that about right? does it have a UV filter? i was hoping to do nightvision too
[1:07] <monkers> http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-7757731-Camera-Board/dp/B00E1GGE40/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_img_y
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[1:08] <monkers> ill read up
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[1:26] <spacebug^> hello. I'm getting "w1_slave_driver 28-000004b099a9: 18S20 doesn't respond to CONVERT_TEMP." (some times) when using my DS18B20. Any suggestions?
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[1:54] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys quick question if i get Rasbpmc could I hook up my portable hard drive
[1:54] <Psil0Cybin> the ones that do not have an ac adapter, that get power from the USB.
[1:54] <Psil0Cybin> Would I need a stronger Power supply for the Pi.?
[1:54] <sney> yeah and even that might not be enough
[1:54] <Psil0Cybin> darn
[1:55] <sney> I heard a good solution the other day though, where you get a powered usb hub and run the pi off it as well as any peripherals. so you still only have 1 power plug
[1:56] <Psil0Cybin> okay next question, If I musing Xubuntu and am planning on getting Rasbpmc is there a way I can share my external hard drive so it gets picked up by Rasbpmc (Havent used it yet, thats Why im asking silly questions)
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[1:57] <sney> yeah you can share directories/drives between linux OSes pretty easily
[1:57] <Psil0Cybin> Alright so thats what I am going to have to do.
[1:58] <Psil0Cybin> do you think a supported wifi dongle that i bought with the pi from the store, would work with Rasbpmc?
[1:58] <Psil0Cybin> like @ first I am aware i will need a LAN Cable, to update, etc
[1:58] <Psil0Cybin> but after could i get it working via Wifi?
[1:59] <ShorTie> wifi and hard drive, you definitly need a good powered hub
[1:59] <sney> should be able to
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[2:00] <Psil0Cybin> Well If i was using the hdd i was planning on using a lan wire, just Wifi now because I am not hooking up any hard drives
[2:00] <Psil0Cybin> but the thing is Im wondering if the AC ADapter to my Nexus 7, would be able to power the Hard drive.
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[2:00] <Psil0Cybin> I am just not in the mood to corrupt my sd card by chance atm lol
[2:01] <Psil0Cybin> lol some College near my school is helping Pidora , the second I saw that I wanted to switch programs
[2:04] <ShorTie> wifi is iffy if pluged into rPi
[2:04] <Psil0Cybin> Why is that, I have used other wifi dongles with Raspbian and it was perfect
[2:04] <Psil0Cybin> for hosting an http server.
[2:05] <Psil0Cybin> I have been nothing but pleased with rPi and Wifi.
[2:05] <ShorTie> power drain can cause issues
[2:06] <ShorTie> not saying it will not work
[2:06] <ShorTie> just saying if you start having problems, look toward power issues
[2:06] <Psil0Cybin> hmm how often do you think that would happen, I have kept on the pi on for a week straight, and have not had any difficulties..
[2:06] <Psil0Cybin> yea
[2:06] <Psil0Cybin> well im using the ac adapter from my s3
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[3:04] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys silly silly silly question
[3:04] <Psil0Cybin> but if i want to use the pi for two things, could i get two sd cards?
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[3:04] <Psil0Cybin> and swap them depending what i want to use the pi for?
[3:04] <Psil0Cybin> so its the same pi but two different sd cards?
[3:05] <nerdboy> why would that be a problem?
[3:05] <nerdboy> i swap cards all the time
[3:05] <Psil0Cybin> okay
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[3:05] <Psil0Cybin> ahaha i dunno just wanted to double check :) i love this thang
[3:05] <Psil0Cybin> thats amazing
[3:07] <Psil0Cybin> alright another question when installing raspbmc what do i allocate towards the graphic vs cpu
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[3:07] <Psil0Cybin> or is it all done for me
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[3:09] <ShorTie> i'd just try it, and then see what problems crop up
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[3:10] <Psil0Cybin> alright :) thanks
[3:11] <Psil0Cybin> oh man im just so stoked that i can swap cards
[3:11] <Psil0Cybin> thats amazing
[3:11] <Psil0Cybin> i dunno why i didnt think i could.
[3:11] <Psil0Cybin> that actually just solved all my problems.
[3:11] <Psil0Cybin> im sucha moron.
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[3:13] <ShorTie> or just for a little you could just get another rPi
[3:13] <ShorTie> and play with both, lol.
[3:13] <Psil0Cybin> i have two ;)
[3:13] <Psil0Cybin> i wanted to buy a third.
[3:13] <Psil0Cybin> my gf would kill me
[3:14] <Psil0Cybin> =D I invest in this rPi corporation
[3:14] <Psil0Cybin> im going to power my whole house by linux
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[3:15] <ShorTie> lights by linux, ah
[3:16] <Psil0Cybin> oh everything
[3:16] <Psil0Cybin> im going to get my oven to tell me when the roast is done via ssh
[3:16] <Psil0Cybin> ;)
[3:16] <Marvin-RPi> have 3, one's a dedicated mumble-server, this one for dektop, anfd last one for gertboard and fiddling around
[3:17] <Psil0Cybin> Currently ---- Tenderizing ---- Please Stand By..
[3:17] <ShorTie> i saw some where where i guy added on to his microwave
[3:17] <Psil0Cybin> well thats settled, a third is on th way.
[3:17] <Psil0Cybin> yea so did i, it gave me so many ideas...sigh if only i had a full time job doing this id make so much $$
[3:17] <Psil0Cybin> im 22, its hard to juggle school, work, and love for linux ;)
[3:18] <ShorTie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4358
[3:18] * ShorTie noticed where the gf fit in
[3:18] <Psil0Cybin> although today i saw that the college thats working with my university has a program dedicated to linux ( and one part is Raspberry Pi ) - Like he room has a big sticker saying they help create/fix pidora
[3:18] <Psil0Cybin> i actually am debating switching into that program and dropping my program
[3:19] <Psil0Cybin> ShorTie: she fits in , nicely with the dog...lol
[3:19] <Psil0Cybin> but yes i did forget those things
[3:19] <ShorTie> have you tried Gentoo yet ??
[3:19] <Marvin-RPi> love for linux is a future ;-)
[3:20] <Psil0Cybin> noo lol, I have only been using linux for a year and a few months now, All I have tried was Xubuntu and Ubuntu, and I love Xubuntu and Xfce...but my first Debian experience was with Raspbian but im guessing that doesnt really count
[3:21] <ShorTie> those are all basically the same
[3:21] <ShorTie> try Gentoo if you want to learn, lol.
[3:22] <Psil0Cybin> Yea i do!
[3:22] <Psil0Cybin> i am obsessed, i jumped into linux with both feet, formatted all windows machines and now 256gbs of Xubuntu on my netbook and 500gbs on my other laptop ;)
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[3:22] <Psil0Cybin> all of open source.
[3:23] <Psil0Cybin> havent even needed a windows machine since, my computers run so much smoother (they are cheaper computers)
[3:23] <Marvin-RPi> if you come from windows, most likely, you should also try OpenSuSe. it's beatiful
[3:23] <Psil0Cybin> im in love with the linux/gnu gui's like xfce, gnome
[3:24] <Psil0Cybin> I actually have a textbook from when i was 13 for old school SuSe with KDE
[3:24] <Marvin-RPi> and user friendly, but you can go hardcore with SuSe as well
[3:24] <ShorTie> gnome, blaa
[3:24] <Psil0Cybin> i forget which version it even came with the pre burned cd
[3:24] <Psil0Cybin> lmao
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[3:24] <Psil0Cybin> only reason why i use Xubuntu actually guys is because that was the only OS that worked on my Acer Aspire One
[3:24] <ShorTie> kde rocks, hehe
[3:24] <Psil0Cybin> it took so many iso burnings to find one OS that would boot into the GUI
[3:24] <Psil0Cybin> by default
[3:24] <Psil0Cybin> i dunno Kde reminds me of winblows
[3:24] <Psil0Cybin> but i KNOW you can customize it like crazy
[3:25] <Psil0Cybin> so im just talking out the rear.
[3:25] <Marvin-RPi> we noticed
[3:25] <Psil0Cybin> just it uses alot more resources compared to xfce
[3:25] <ShorTie> oh, gui on Gentoo could take 6 months to boot into
[3:25] <Marvin-RPi> but on a desktop PC that doesn't really matter
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[3:26] <Psil0Cybin> LOL Marvin-RPi, When I first got the Pi, I was going to make that my desktop computer
[3:26] <Psil0Cybin> but realized i could waste resources or learn terminal coding/ssh
[3:27] <Psil0Cybin> so i decided to use it to configure nginx, mysql, php, and host my own forum :)
[3:27] <Psil0Cybin> for me and my friends.
[3:27] <Marvin-RPi> no, it's not a real substitute. It's too slow for that
[3:27] <Psil0Cybin> yea I realized lol
[3:27] <Psil0Cybin> after I bought it, but still im in love.
[3:27] <Marvin-RPi> try opening youtube
[3:27] <Marvin-RPi> good luck with that
[3:27] <Psil0Cybin> I had a long debate with sney or someone else about using it as a "homeless guys personal computer"
[3:27] <rikkib> haha
[3:28] <Psil0Cybin> but now
[3:28] <ShorTie> don't trust sdcards with important info
[3:28] <Psil0Cybin> ShorTie: why you cannot like 007 that shyt, use the Pi for some top secret h4x0ring, and then grind it up in a blender?
[3:28] <Psil0Cybin> get rid of the evidence.
[3:28] <Psil0Cybin> down the toilet drain
[3:28] <Psil0Cybin> or just the lil sd card
[3:28] <Psil0Cybin> lol keep the pi.
[3:28] <Marvin-RPi> I mainly use my desktop-Pi, as I call it, because of the low power consumption and to manage my NAS via SSH
[3:29] <Marvin-RPi> and keeping IRC on all the time
[3:29] <Psil0Cybin> IRC on all the time is key.
[3:29] <ShorTie> no, not that, they corrupt easily if you got programs that leave files open
[3:29] <Psil0Cybin> oh actually ShorTie
[3:30] <Psil0Cybin> see i have alot to learn.
[3:30] <Psil0Cybin> nice
[3:30] <Psil0Cybin> Raspbmc just finished downloading.
[3:30] <Psil0Cybin> Time to give it a test run.
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[3:30] <Psil0Cybin> i have the nice sexy R
[3:30] <Psil0Cybin> on the screen.
[3:30] <ShorTie> might want to learn dd so you can make images of your cards
[3:31] <Psil0Cybin> do you think i can learn alot using the man dd command?
[3:31] <Psil0Cybin> or do googling
[3:31] <Psil0Cybin> yea that would be amazing
[3:31] <Psil0Cybin> as right now if one of these cards goes down, id have to go buy a new one
[3:31] <ShorTie> google and linux like go hand and hand
[3:32] <ShorTie> most of the time it just takes re-imaging it to fix it up
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[3:34] <Psil0Cybin> man oh man how much i love linux, when you come from windows to linux by free choice, and start learning you realize how shackled you have been when it comes to an operating system and what you use your machine for.
[3:34] <sraue> if anyone is interested, just released: http://openelec.tv/news/22-releases/107-openelec-3-2-0-released :-)
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[3:53] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys how can i connect my laptop to my xbmc (raspbmc)
[3:54] <dowlf> lay off the mushrooms first
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[4:01] <Burritoh> ..
[4:02] <Burritoh> Psil0Cybin: If you have a seperate monitor with HDMI, it's probably better to do that
[4:02] <Burritoh> RaspBMC does not have an X server, and you can't VNC in.
[4:02] <Burritoh> does not use an X server*
[4:03] <Burritoh> anyways, your movies won't stream very well over VNC
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[4:10] <Psil0Cybin> sigh
[4:10] <Psil0Cybin> god damit
[4:10] <Psil0Cybin> everything i do is for nothing
[4:10] <Psil0Cybin> i cant hook up my hard drive, i cannot access it off another computer
[4:10] <Psil0Cybin> what gives...
[4:11] <Psil0Cybin> how can i stream any file i have...
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[4:11] <monkers> ?
[4:11] <monkers> Psil0Cybin stream how?
[4:13] <Burritoh> Psil0Cybin: oh, by 'connect' I thought that you wanted to use XBMC on your RPi from your laptop
[4:13] <pksato> Can use DLNA to send/control xmbc
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[4:13] <Burritoh> But "connect" depends on what exactly you want to do.
[4:14] <Burritoh> You can SSH in quite easily, you can also hook up a hard drive and access the files over FTP and Samba - all those servers are already running on a default install of RaspBMC
[4:14] <pksato> or network remote control.
[4:14] <Burritoh> Yes, it also has an httpd server for that, IIRC
[4:14] <Burritoh> Not sure if it runs by default
[4:16] <Burritoh> Psil0Cybin: to watch a movie stored on the RPi from your laptop, that also might depend on the operating system the laptop uses
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[4:24] <monkers> how do i connect the raspi to a usb hub? do i need a male to male connector?
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[4:25] <pksato> monkers: usb hub have a proper connector to connect to RPi (or other)..
[4:25] <pksato> a USB A conector.
[4:26] <pksato> Or have a USB B to connect a USB A to USB B cable.
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[4:30] <monkers> im confused, im trying to go from the usb ports on the raspi to a usb port on a hub, both are the same type of female connector, so, i figured i'd need a male/male
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[4:30] <pksato> monkers: that hub?
[4:31] <monkers> http://newlyreleasedproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Sabrent-4-Port-USB-2.0-Hub.jpg
[4:32] <monkers> the dongle on that connects to a usb battery charger
[4:32] <monkers> and i was hoping that would give me a powered usb hub
[4:33] <monkers> then connect in the raspi to the hub, and the micro usb port into another port on the usb charger battery.
[4:33] <pksato> the cable is connected to rpi.
[4:33] <monkers> rats.
[4:33] <monkers> ok so what i really need is a hub that's actually 'powered' and has a 5v input
[4:33] <monkers> >_<
[4:34] <pksato> powered hub have a connector to external psu.
[4:35] <monkers> yah, this will be mobile though, so i thought i'd be ok here plugging USB into the battery
[4:35] <monkers> but that port has to go into the arduino
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[4:43] <monkers> anyone see anything wrong with this? http://pastie.org/8324506
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[5:12] <Wolfram74> anybody playing with CODER yet?
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[5:36] <pablq> hey can anyone tell me the command to update my pi?
[5:38] <pablq> nm lol
[5:38] <shiftplusone> apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade, isn't it?
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[5:38] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys can someone help me stream video files from my xubuntu laptop the files are located on a portable hard drive and i want to show them onto my raspbmc
[5:38] <Psil0Cybin> i tried samba
[5:38] <Psil0Cybin> that does not work causes mount problems
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[5:47] <pablq> anyone have a suggestion for software on a pi to play animated gifs?
[5:47] <pablq> the image viewer works but offers pretty bad quality playback
[5:48] <shiftplusone> Since X isn't accelerated, I don't expect smooth playback
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[5:50] <shiftplusone> I doubt it will work, but give omxplayer a go.
[5:51] <shiftplusone> and then when it doesn't work, winge on the forum about playing gifs with omxplayer on the forum and hope dome implements it.
[5:52] <Wolfram74> so anybody playing with googles CODER package?
[5:53] <shiftplusone> Wolfram74, do you have a question about it or do you just want to exchange high fives with other people using it?
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[5:53] <Wolfram74> I was curious what people were using it for
[5:54] <shiftplusone> ah fair enough
[5:55] <Wolfram74> and if the only editor available was through chrome or if there were ways to poke at the files in other ways
[5:56] <shiftplusone> It should get a little more popular when they do a write up about it ont he front page. It doesn't seem terribly useful though, at least not for people who can already code.
[5:57] <Wolfram74> yeah, it seems to accomodate at a very plug and play level of skill
[5:57] <Wolfram74> I think I'll be able to get some useful things out of it
[5:58] <shiftplusone> But given that you're meant to connect to it from another PC, why bother with running it on a pi in the first place?
[5:58] <shiftplusone> I am having a little trouble wrapping my head around the utility of it
[6:01] <pablq> thanks for the suggestion on the omxplayer. i'll give it a shot.
[6:01] <shiftplusone> it won't do anything, but good luck >.>
[6:03] <pablq> lol worth a shot. if nothing else it'll make me learn how to get new software on my machine. yeah i'm a noob whatever.
[6:03] <shiftplusone> noobs are welcome
[6:03] <shiftplusone> kind of the point of the pi after all
[6:04] <shiftplusone> sudo apt-get install whatever to install whatever
[6:04] <Wolfram74> sudo all the commands!
[6:04] <shiftplusone> so apt-get install omxplayer should install omxplayer
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[6:05] <shiftplusone> (Do not use sudo unless you have to >_<)
[6:07] <pablq> what's the dif between using sudo or not?
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[6:07] <shiftplusone> 'sudo' runs the command as root (admin)
[6:08] <shiftplusone> So you'll often have to use it to install/remove packages or edit system-wide config files.
[6:08] <pablq> k. and it's not necessary for smaller thing like adding software?
[6:08] <pablq> what would a package be then?
[6:09] <shiftplusone> in this case software and package is the same thing.
[6:09] <pablq> o k
[6:09] <shiftplusone> also, a check the 'man' command. If you run 'man sudo' that will pull up the manual for the sudo command. It works for pretty much all other commands as well, so if you are not sure about something, you can read the man page for it.
[6:10] <pablq> cool thanks
[6:11] <pablq> once this thing is done installing the updates i'll check it out a bit
[6:11] <pablq> i appreciate the info
[6:11] <shiftplusone> np
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[6:42] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys when i installed raspbmc
[6:42] <Psil0Cybin> it works perfectly but videos are a little choppy
[6:42] <Psil0Cybin> is there a way to run the rasp-config thing like with raspbian maybe set more memory for the GPU
[6:43] <shiftplusone> I don't know about raspbmc, but I assume it will be in the settings
[6:43] <shiftplusone> the settings menu may actually be an addon, so check programs.
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[6:54] <JakeSays> hmm. looks like freebsd 10 will have native raspi support
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[6:59] <pablq> anyone have experience with imagemagick?
[6:59] <shiftplusone> what about it?
[7:00] <shiftplusone> the documentations for imagemagick is pretty clear, so I am not sure you need experience to use it.
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[7:07] <pablq> well all the explanations seem simple enough but when i try to open an image with it i get errors
[7:09] <pablq> the error i get is: display.im6: unable to open image 'image.jpg': now such file or directory @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2638.
[7:10] <pablq> meh i'll just keep workin at it thanks
[7:11] <shiftplusone> ahm, good luck. What are you running to open the image (the full command you give) and what's the output of 'ls -la'
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[8:18] <shiftplusone> sraue, where could one find up to date openelec img files?
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[8:20] <sraue> shiftplusone, basically here: http://openelec.thestateofme.com/ we released a new version last night, so it may take 1-2 days until its up there, otherwise you can download the last from http://openelec.thestateofme.com/test_images/ and perform a update via OpenELECs settings addon
[8:21] <shiftplusone> Thanks. Someone was asking on the forum. Just wanted to make sure I directed them to the right source.
[8:23] <sraue> shiftplusone, http://tasksofohm.wordpress.com/hardware/openelec-on-raspberry-pi/ thats a howto to install manually under windows. not hard and you dont must go trough the whole resize procedure... a good alternative
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[8:24] <shiftplusone> I know, but this individual seems to believe partitioning and then copying some files is too hard.
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[8:24] <sraue> ok :-)
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[9:20] <Kaikz> Anyone know of the Arch log file location? I don't have a /var/log/everything/log file..
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[9:21] <shiftplusone> excuse my stupid, but log file for what exactly?
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[9:21] <Kaikz> Doesn't the OS just log output from everything into everything.log?
[9:22] <shiftplusone> That's a thing?
[9:22] <Kaikz> I always see people referring to this log file when searching for errors
[9:22] <Kaikz> I don't have it, so I'm wondering how I can debug my network issue...
[9:22] <shiftplusone> You could try asking in #archlinux-arm, but I have never heard of an everything.log
[9:23] <Kaikz> Okay thanks
[9:23] <shiftplusone> Whaat's in /var/log/journal/ ?
[9:23] <shiftplusone> *What's
[9:24] <shiftplusone> ...booting arch in qemu to look around
[9:24] <shiftplusone> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Journal
[9:25] <shiftplusone> Looks like it stores it in some sort of db and you need to use jounralctl to access it
[9:26] <Kaikz> Interesting, thanks man
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[9:30] <shiftplusone> I don't see it on raspbian either =/
[9:31] <Kaikz> Maybe it was for an older distro
[9:32] <shiftplusone> Maybe it was around before systemd.
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[10:08] <EpixP0ison> are there any screens (preferably touch screen) that will work with the raspberry pi without extra voltage ect and are preferably the same size as the pi itself
[10:10] <shiftplusone> EpixP0ison, this sort of deal? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=53144
[10:12] <EpixP0ison> yeah but preferably somthing ribbon cabled and using the DSI slot and able to actually display what the HDMI port would display so basicly a monitor.....
[10:12] <shiftplusone> Well, as far as DSI goes, I don't think you can actually use it for anything.
[10:12] <EpixP0ison> :/
[10:13] <EpixP0ison> thats a bit..... odd
[10:14] <EpixP0ison> its just i would prefer to keep my gpio ports :/ but if that is the only option then so be it but thanks :)
[10:14] <sonny_jim> Erm
[10:14] <shiftplusone> Since it's SPI, I don't expect it to actually use up many pins.
[10:14] <sonny_jim> When you say "can't actually use it for anything"
[10:15] <sonny_jim> You mean you can't plug a DSI lcd screen into it?
[10:16] <shiftplusone> I would be surprised if you could. As far as I know, it's controlled by the GPU, so you could get all the accelerated goodness, but it's more of a future expansion sort of deal, nothing has been implemented yet.
[10:16] <sonny_jim> Right
[10:17] <EpixP0ison> just like they did with the camera
[10:17] <shiftplusone> exactly
[10:18] <EpixP0ison> im just bored and looking into making basicly a pi tablet.... except the pi is thicker ect but its more for the fun of development
[10:18] <EpixP0ison> pointless but fun :3
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[10:19] <EpixP0ison> thats sort of the pi all over really :/ like people who build pi clusters ect.... price wise your better of getting a server :/
[10:19] <EpixP0ison> but nowhere near as fun
[10:20] <shiftplusone> In that case, I think texy's screen will work best.
[10:20] <EpixP0ison> ok :p
[10:20] <EpixP0ison> i shall also try and geta 3d printer soon so i could make a nice custom case for it
[10:21] <shiftplusone> Looks like it uses up 8 of the GPIO pins.
[10:21] <EpixP0ison> yeh :/
[10:21] <EpixP0ison> im looking at a similar screen now
[10:22] <EpixP0ison> issue is the gpio connector uses all pins but only connects to a few :/ and to cable it up to only use a couple and not the others would effect size ect :/
[10:23] <EpixP0ison> the one texy has looks like it has the remaning gpio on the back i think :/
[10:24] <shiftplusone> Yeah, he doesn't block any gpio pins, so you can still use them.
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[10:25] <EpixP0ison> issue is that screen is no longer available :/
[10:26] <shiftplusone> He says the parts are on the way, so it shouldn't be too long.
[10:27] <EpixP0ison> ok :3
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[10:27] <EpixP0ison> thanks for finding thast
[10:28] <shiftplusone> np
[10:29] <EpixP0ison> now i will just have to look into a lithium battery :/
[10:29] <EpixP0ison> i would like it to charge when a micro usb is plugged in too :/ so im thinking i may need a seperate board for this
[10:30] <shiftplusone> or use one of those usb battery packs. The whole thing is going to be the size of a cat, but that seems like the easiest approach.
[10:30] <EpixP0ison> again its for a tablet :/
[10:30] <shiftplusone> so?
[10:31] <EpixP0ison> so yeh :/ not really a good idea
[10:31] <EpixP0ison> it would be masive
[10:31] <shiftplusone> It will be massive no matter what you do >_<
[10:31] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[10:31] <EpixP0ison> plus if your using it on the move they have a tendacy to fall out
[10:31] <EpixP0ison> i was thinking prehaps a batter the same size as a mobile phone one just under the screen
[10:31] <EpixP0ison> obviously there could be heat issues :/
[10:32] <shiftplusone> and the charging circuit to worry about
[10:32] <EpixP0ison> yeh :/
[10:32] <EpixP0ison> just buying a micro usb battery pack wouldnt be as fun :p
[10:32] <EpixP0ison> but the end result would be rather cool
[10:33] <EpixP0ison> but "pointless"
[10:34] <EpixP0ison> i would then proberly look into internal speakers ect should be pretty easy with a bit of soldering
[10:34] <EpixP0ison> but i have a bad feeling that screen will eat watts like a beast :/ so there wont be much power left for usb ect
[10:35] <shiftplusone> If you're modding it anyway, you may as well power through the large usb port to bypass the polyfuse.
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[10:36] <EpixP0ison> maybe
[10:36] <shiftplusone> (or through gpio)
[10:36] <shiftplusone> gpio would be better
[10:36] <EpixP0ison> power what threough gpio? the screen?
[10:37] <EpixP0ison> the screen is already gpio powered i belive
[10:37] <shiftplusone> No, I meant the pi itself
[10:37] <EpixP0ison> power the pi from its own gpio O.o...... umm.... i think i misunderstood somethign
[10:37] <EpixP0ison> xD
[10:37] <shiftplusone> >_<
[10:37] <EpixP0ison> as in battery to gpio?
[10:38] <shiftplusone> Apply power to the 5v and gnd pins, instead of the microusb connector
[10:38] <shiftplusone> then you're more limited by what the battery can provide safely, than what the pi allows. I suspect it's not going to last long 'course.
[10:39] <EpixP0ison> hmm depends
[10:39] <ShorTie> EpixP0ison, have you consider a tft lcd rear view screen that hooks up by composite video
[10:39] <EpixP0ison> yes
[10:39] <shiftplusone> those are huge though
[10:39] <EpixP0ison> but no
[10:39] <EpixP0ison> again its for a tablet
[10:39] <EpixP0ison> so preferably nothing using external connection like the composite video
[10:40] <ShorTie> they run off of 5 volts
[10:40] <EpixP0ison> gpio / DPI is ideal as its all onboard
[10:40] <EpixP0ison> some do but that isnt the issue because i found a screen now :p
[10:40] <EpixP0ison> perfect size and uses gpio so :p
[10:41] <ShorTie> little composite video cable be as small or smaller then the gpio cable
[10:41] <EpixP0ison> if i was to solder it inside mybe
[10:41] <EpixP0ison> but then its about the debth of the screen and the daughterboard if it has one
[10:42] <EpixP0ison> its all extra uneeded space when the gpio one is fine and sits rifht on top
[10:45] <ShorTie> only mod to the tft lcd is to by pass the internal voltage regulator
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[10:46] <shiftplusone> ... ShorTie and his pro rear view composite screen propaganda.
[10:47] <ShorTie> just laying out an option
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[10:48] <shiftplusone> Idn.... you seem to be pushing it pretty hard. Do you work for big rear-view-composite-screen?
[10:48] <ShorTie> i raise chickens
[10:48] <shiftplusone> heh
[10:48] <ShorTie> they are alot easy then a gpio conected screen is all
[10:49] <ShorTie> easier*
[10:49] <cloudy_nz> the only display I have for my Pi is an ancient 14" TV, or text via ssh *lol*
[10:49] <ShorTie> by the time the solder iron warms up, you can be watching it
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[10:50] <EpixP0ison> xD
[10:50] <ShorTie> and they have speakers if that matters
[10:51] <EpixP0ison> still gpio is the best bet
[10:51] <ShorTie> okie dokie
[10:51] <EpixP0ison> "generally" smaller and easier
[10:51] <ShorTie> how small you looking for ??
[10:52] <EpixP0ison> by small i mean debth wise
[10:52] <ShorTie> 3.5"
[10:52] <EpixP0ison> screen itself idealy to be the same size as thepi itself
[10:52] <EpixP0ison> so yeh 3.5
[10:52] <EpixP0ison> thin and 3.5
[10:52] <ShorTie> depth wize, they like 1/4" thick
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[10:53] <EpixP0ison> hmms
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[10:53] <ShorTie> 3.5" for like 16 bucks, or 4.3" for 20 bucks
[10:53] <EpixP0ison> still gpio is aboput that if not less and easier
[10:54] <ShorTie> okie dokie
[10:57] * cloudy_nz takes American prices, triples them, adds 50% and gets local prices in his own country :-/
[10:57] <EpixP0ison> lol
[10:57] <EpixP0ison> in the uk is like double
[10:57] <EpixP0ison> almost
[10:58] <EpixP0ison> ohwait no half
[10:58] <cloudy_nz> most geeky people here order stuff from Asia because even with the shipping it's far cheaper than anything in our local or online stores
[10:58] <ShorTie> any one want a fun toy ??
[10:58] <ShorTie> try one of these http://www.harborfreight.com/electronic-fly-swatter-40122.html
[10:59] <EpixP0ison> even better
[10:59] <EpixP0ison> pi fly swatter
[10:59] <EpixP0ison> that count how many flys have been swatted
[10:59] <EpixP0ison> again..... pointless but fun xD
[10:59] <cloudy_nz> I thought for a minute you were going to mention that Penthouse VR article featuring rPis :-S
[11:00] <shiftplusone> Ah, and now you're shilling for big fly-swatter D=
[11:00] <shiftplusone> (I'll drop it >.>)
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[11:06] <shiftplusone> nope
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[13:22] <mh5> hi
[13:23] <ShorTie> mornin
[13:23] <mh5> i've got a problem ld_preloading a custom library on the raspberry pi. it works on intel laptop and almost works on the pi
[13:24] <mh5> i am testing with the nc binary
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[13:25] <mh5> and it seems that i am able to overwrite the functions calls as i intend. all but read()
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[13:25] <chris_99> hmm odd
[13:26] <chris_99> what's the code for your library?
[13:26] <mh5> it works with another binary
[13:26] <mh5> but not with nc
[13:26] <mh5> https://github.com/fnordian/sshy/blob/master/src/connect.c
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[13:31] <chris_99> so you reckon it works for everything but netcat?
[13:32] <mh5> it works for irsii
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[13:32] <mh5> not sure if irsii is using read()
[13:32] <mh5> and it works with my test, which uses read()
[13:33] <chris_99> i just did strings /usr/bin/nc it looks like it _may_ use something called readv
[13:34] <chris_99> i'd grab the source for netcat, and see what it does
[13:35] <mh5> ah, great hint, maybe what shows up as read() in strace is a readv libc-call
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[13:35] <mh5> . o O ( gotta catch 'em all )
[13:36] <sliddjur> What http server are you guys using for your Pi?
[13:36] <shiftplusone> nginx is the way to go
[13:36] <sliddjur> why
[13:36] <ShorTie> you could grep read in your directory to see how it is used
[13:36] <shiftplusone> Has all the required features, it lighter than apache.
[13:36] <chris_99> lighttpd is pretty good too
[13:37] <shiftplusone> Word on the street is that lighttpd has memory leaks, though I haven't run into this problem.
[13:37] <chris_99> not heard thht
[13:38] <chris_99> i use for my personal webserver and havent had any issues
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[13:45] <shiftplusone> If resources become an issue, there's also pancake
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[13:50] <sliddjur> My class suggests using apache ngingx or lighttpd
[13:50] <sliddjur> Is there a comparison chart or something somewhere_
[13:50] <sliddjur> ?
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[13:51] <sliddjur> http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Web_Server_Performance_Comparison obviously ngingx outclasses everything
[13:51] <sliddjur> but in form of functionally_
[13:51] <sliddjur> ?
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[13:52] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I stumbled upon a comparison a few minutes ago.
[13:52] <shiftplusone> Nginx came out as being way better... let me see if I can pull it up again
[13:52] <shiftplusone> blog.monitis.com/index.php/2012/08/22/nginx-vs-lighttpd/
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[13:53] <shiftplusone> realistically though, you won't notice any difference, just try both and see which you like better
[13:55] <sliddjur> Well I heard nginx has a larger user base so it probably has more helpforums and such on then et?
[13:55] <sliddjur> the net*
[13:55] <shiftplusone> Are you doing something complicated?
[13:55] <sliddjur> Nope
[13:55] <plugwash> nginx is somewhat unusual in that it doesn't run any dynamic content directly
[13:55] <sliddjur> Just a few virtual hosts
[13:55] <shiftplusone> There you go
[13:56] <plugwash> dynamic content with nginx is always done by passing off the requests to another daemon over a socket
[13:57] <plugwash> (which isn't really a bad thing as such but it's kinda unusual if you are used to working with webservers that do run dynamic content directly)
[13:57] <sliddjur> plugwash: im a noob but you mean php, sql and such?
[13:58] <shiftplusone> php, python and such
[13:58] <shiftplusone> sql, not so much.
[13:59] <shiftplusone> is sql ever tied into the actual server in any way?
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[14:04] <sliddjur> I dont know
[14:04] <plugwash> pretty much every sql database runs as it's own daemon anyway. Plus sql databases don't normally talk to the webserver directly, usually the webserver deals with the webapp and the webapp in turn deals with the database
[14:05] <sliddjur> Anyways, im trying to understand why rpc port 111 is open, and what can i do with remote procedure calls?
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[14:05] <mh5> it's for nfs
[14:05] <shiftplusone> Ignore that, it's just an NSA thing.
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[14:06] <sliddjur> is it like windows wmi?
[14:07] <mh5> what's wmi?
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[14:08] <chris_99> haha shiftplusone
[14:08] <shiftplusone> =P
[14:09] <sliddjur> mh5 you can gather info about a windows computer by calling its wmi service
[14:10] <sliddjur> about a remote win pc*
[14:11] <mh5> ah, interesting
[14:11] <mh5> hmm, rpcd is imho an interface for rpc-services such as nfs
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[14:13] <sliddjur> mh5 you can get OS version, free memory, network settings, and pretty much everything you need
[14:14] <mh5> that's quite powerful
[14:15] <sliddjur> yes, it is. its pretty nice implemented in windows powershell script language
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[14:20] <sliddjur> mh5: so rpc is nothing near that?
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[14:26] <mh5> i dont know it to the details. could be, it's just an interface for other services. depending on your configuration. try rpcinfo
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[14:49] <h1nd> Hello all. Is there a package on Raspbian's repo available, which I can use to update the current public IP (of my ISP gateway which I use) to a BIND server which I run on another host? Something like a DynDNS-client, but which connects to my own BIND server on the internet.
[14:53] <pa> hi
[14:53] <pa> does anybody know where to find "iwinfo" for the RPi?
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[14:56] <lee> h1nd: I think it's more complicated than that; at a guess, you either need the client to upload a new zone file with the right details to the BIND server and rehash it, or you'd need to submit your current IP to a script on the remote host that would check if it's the same as before and if not recreate the zone file and reload BIND
[14:58] <lee> (assuming you want to run it yourself and not use dyndns.org or similar - there are clients for that latter purpose)
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[14:58] <h1nd> lee: sounds nice. Do you know a tutorial for that? actually I can read out my current IP address with command "wget -qO- http://ipecho.net/plain" and the I could use (maybe) nsupdate command to write that into my BIND server?
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[15:01] <lee> h1nd: afraid I don't offhand - I'd probably cobble something together with scripts, but a quick google shows http://nexus.zteo.com/blog/your-own-dynamic-dns-in-3-steps/
[15:01] <lee> also I wouldn't run BIND =)
[15:02] <h1nd> lee: the whole world is running BIND; but ok, that's your personal taste of course ;)
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[15:03] <lee> my ISP has a really awesome dns updating system based off of rsync and tinydns, that's what I use
[15:03] <Andy80> hi! I currently have two SD cards that I used with my RaspberryPi and both have about 5 Mb/s write speed. Which brand/model of SD card do you suggest me to buy to improve this performance? I think they're both class 4 or 6. Would a SanDisk class 10 help or is it just "false adv" ?
[15:04] <shiftplusone> Andy80, I don't think you'll get any noticeable improvements.
[15:04] <lee> I haven't had to touch a bind zone file in at least 4 years
[15:04] <mh5> i have an class 10 and performance sucks
[15:04] <Andy80> mh5, which brand?
[15:04] <mh5> sandisk
[15:05] <h1nd> lee: I am running various BIND server so that's not the problem :) But anyhow, thanks for your comments. I will look into it and hope to find a suitable way for my needs. Thank you
[15:06] <Andy80> mh5, can I ask you to perform a quick test? If you don't mind: dd count=900 bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=test.img (once you're ssh-ed into your rpi)
[15:06] <lee> h1nd: it (run own dynamic dns with bind) seems to have plenty of howtos available via google, I haven't tried any, but I would guess that your biggest problem will choosing which way to do it (which is a nice problem to have)
[15:07] <Andy80> p.s: you need to have 900Mb available
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[15:08] <Andy80> oh and another different question: since I'm not using the gui at all, is it ok if I reduce the amount of memory dedicated to video? Now it's 64 Mb of the 512 total I think...
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[15:08] <shiftplusone> Andy80, yup
[15:09] <Andy80> cool, thanks :)
[15:09] <shiftplusone> Feel free to set it to the minimum, unless you need to play movies or something
[15:09] <shiftplusone> (16mb is the minimum IIRC)
[15:12] <mh5> Andy80: 943718400 bytes (944 MB) copied, 67.9367 s, 13.9 MB/s
[15:12] <Andy80> mh5, 13,9 it's a huge improvement compared to 5,1 :)
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[15:12] <mh5> well. i only know that i have to wait a lot for my pi to respond
[15:13] <mh5> ;-)
[15:13] <Andy80> mh5, what are you using the rpi for?
[15:13] <lee> I need to get a pi talking to the weather station before it's mounted
[15:13] <mh5> i am building a mailserver
[15:13] <shiftplusone> Not a very accurate benchmark, since a lot of that could (well.. is) still be cached for write.
[15:13] <Andy80> I had setup a OwnCloud instance but it's been a bad idea.... Apache+MySQL+PHP it's too slow on it...
[15:13] <mh5> and doing some dev-stuff on it
[15:14] <mh5> i am planing to move to cubieboard as soon as i finished my setup
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[15:15] <RichardP> hey
[15:15] <Andy80> I've a nice card at home (something like a Panda board) but I haven't here with me :\
[15:15] <RichardP> I need to install the soft float debian version, which all the guides say to get from the raspberrypi.org downloads page - unfortunately, its no longer on there, so can someone point me in the right direction?
[15:17] <shiftplusone> RichardP, it was removed a short while ago. You can find mirrored copies around.
[15:17] <RichardP> shiftplusone: Im totally unsure as to what to search for tho, Ive had my Pi for ... oooh, about a day now :)
[15:17] <shiftplusone> RichardP, why do you think you need soft float?
[15:18] <RichardP> shiftplusone: datetime issues with mono
[15:18] <shiftplusone> ah, then yeah.
[15:18] <RichardP> i dont really want to switch to Arch, as Im familiar with Debian historically
[15:18] <RichardP> and it doesnt look like Raspian want to support soft float at all
[15:19] <RichardP> (which is their perogative, not a complaint)
[15:20] <RichardP> Ive been bogged down in searches for this Debian distro thus far, every link Ive found points to the main downloads page
[15:20] <RichardP> is it at all just the Debian Arm port, or is it more than that?
[15:20] <shiftplusone> it is, with only a little more
[15:20] <shiftplusone> (the firmware)
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[15:21] <RichardP> ahh, so i really need the specific distro then
[15:21] <shiftplusone> ...unless you know what you're doing
[15:21] <shiftplusone> You can bootstrap it yourself just fine.
[15:22] <RichardP> shiftplusone: yeah, i could do that, but i really wanted something that was community supported :)
[15:22] <RichardP> right, brb
[15:22] <RichardP> shiftplusone: thanks for the info
[15:22] <RichardP> good to know Im not just going blind!
[15:24] <shiftplusone> http://raspberrypi.serverspace.co.uk/raspberrypi/images/debian/
[15:24] <shiftplusone> more specifically, http://raspberrypi.serverspace.co.uk/raspberrypi/images/debian/7/2013-05-29-wheezy-armel/ I think
[15:25] <shiftplusone> You're not going to get much support for that image specifically though, since very few people need soft float debian on the pi. However, it's most likely that whatever problems you run into will be generic and all of the debian-based distro support will be just as applicable.
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[16:09] <dunfy> Hi guys, I'm looking at making my raspberry pi into a router, has anyone had any experience with BT Infinity? Can I get aware with not using a USBtoEthernet adapter and maybe run the raspberry pi through a switch with the BT Infinity modem?
[16:09] <dunfy> away*
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[16:13] <Straight_Silver> What sort of speed do you get on your BT Infitinty connection>
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[16:15] <chris_99> i get around 40mbps from speedtest
[16:16] <dunfy> 50-60Mb
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[16:17] <dunfy> I'm guessing using one network port will throttle it, but I was wondering if it would work If I plugged both the modem and pi into a switch, then a home plug into the same switch to serve the rest of the network...
[16:17] <dunfy> or does it need to be a direct ethernet connection between the pi and modem?
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[16:19] <mpmc> dunfy: If you have the Huawei HG612 modem then you can unlock it and use that instead of a router.
[16:19] <dunfy> nah I have the ECI one :(
[16:19] <dunfy> Don't fancy hooking up a serial to it without a spare.
[16:20] <mpmc> I used to have the Huawei HG612, but the engineer changed it because I'd modified the software to see the line stats =/
[16:20] <dunfy> Did they find out, or was it a routine check for a fault or something?
[16:21] <mpmc> I had a drop in speed and showed them the line stats lol, he changed it because he assumed it was faulty, I told him it wasn't lol.
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[16:22] <mpmc> But apparently they are phasing them out because they are unreliable (load of rubbish)
[16:22] <dunfy> ha fair enough, I might get a HG612 off ebay at some point, are you able to switch off TR69? Don't like the idea of BT having access.
[16:22] <mpmc> Yes you are..
[16:22] <mpmc> I did just that.
[16:23] <mpmc> but I can't with the ECI rubbish :p
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[16:23] <dunfy> Nice, I'm quite tempted to do the hardware hack on the ECI
[16:23] <dunfy> Only problem is if something goes wrong, I'm screwed, working from home would be a problem.
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[16:25] <mpmc> dunfy: Just get shot of the OR modem if you can afford it.
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[16:26] <dunfy> How? I didn't realise you could replace the fibre modem?
[16:27] <mpmc> dunfy: Yes, you need a VDSL one, Fritz!Box/something else (I forget)
[16:28] <dunfy> Ah yes, quite pricey
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[16:30] <mpmc> dunfy: Yeah, pretty much a rip off if you ask me. too bad they're are no vdsl pcie cards.
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[16:30] <fooman2011> Hello guys. I have a problem when I want to use my USB microphone. It's recording but the sound is very bad (a lot of pops and clicks). Is it a known problem ? Do you know how to solve this ?
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[16:32] <dunfy> fooman2011: do you get the same result when connected to a PC?
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[16:32] <RichardP> shiftplusone: thanks :) Its only really until Mono get their issue fixed that I need it
[16:33] <shiftplusone> RichardP, it has been quite a while. Even Oracle got a hardfloat java build for the pi already. I wouldn't hold my breath.
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[16:33] <dunfy> fooman2011: Another thing you could try is properly grounding the PI, I'm guessing the power adapter doesn't have an active ground pin.
[16:34] <fooman2011> dunfy: On Window PC, it is ok (I don't have Linux PC)
[16:34] <dunfy> fooman2011: Trying grounding it then
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[16:35] <fooman2011> dunfy: How to do that ?
[16:35] <dunfy> Find a ground pin on your pi and shove it in the ground..
[16:36] <dunfy> Or find a power adapter that is correctly grounded
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[16:38] <fooman2011> dunfy: are you sure that it will solve me problem ?
[16:38] * shiftplusone is sceptical
[16:40] <dunfy> fooman2011: No idea, but it's a start, I'm going on the basis that my PC speakers use to crackle and buzz because it wasn't properly earthed.
[16:41] <shiftplusone> that would be called a ground loop
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[16:43] <dunfy> shiftplusone: so if the pi isn't properly earthed, as most USB adapters don't have a metal earth pin, it could cause it surely?
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[16:46] <shiftplusone> I am not knowledgeable about that sort of thing, but it seems to me that there's no reason for the USB ground to be different from the rest of the pi's ground.
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[16:46] <dunfy> shiftplusone: I wasn't saying the two are different, only that the PI isn't grounded at all if the usb adapter doesn't have an earth pin.
[16:48] <dunfy> A quick test would be to power the PI using an earthed USB port, it if doesn't work, move onto to something else.
[16:48] <shiftplusone> but why would it need to be? You think the popping is just the pi picking up RF noise and a proper ground will get rid of that?
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[16:49] <dunfy> shiftplusone: It might
[16:49] <shiftplusone> The usb test sounds like a good idea to test that then
[16:51] <dunfy> The thing is, I'm no expert, but if the popping/clicking doesn't happen on the PC I'd look at the PI and identify what's different, other than the actual hardware and firmware, I've noticed the lack of proper earthing.
[16:51] <dunfy> For all I know it could be the PI interfearing with its self.
[16:51] <dunfy> interfering*
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[16:52] <shiftplusone> Idn, the pi doesn't seem to have many magnetic elements.
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[16:53] <dunfy> shiftplusone: Wouldn't all the components give off some sort of magnetic field?
[16:54] <dunfy> iirc all electronics give of some sort of magnetic field
[16:56] <shiftplusone> AFAIK, it would need to be AC and for this purpose digital signals are considered AC, however the current should be too low for there to be any significant effect. Plus I am sure the folks that laid the board out knew what they were doing and took all of that into account. But again, I don't know what I am talking about.
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[17:00] <dunfy> I dunno, but their main intention was for an educational device, for programming, so shielding and media applications probably wasn't on the list of priorities.
[17:01] <shiftplusone> True, but when you lay out a board, you think about these effects and try to minimize them no matter what you're designing.
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[17:01] <dunfy> Did you read about the raspberry pi being a FM transmitter without any hardware modifications other than attaching an antenna to GPIO pin 4?
[17:02] <dunfy> For all we know it could be that bleeding over onto the microphone cable
[17:02] <shiftplusone> >_< point taken
[17:02] <dunfy> :-p
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[17:02] <dunfy> Speaking of which, I've still yet to try, could be a cool way to scare the shit out of people
[17:03] <shiftplusone> People don't actually look too kindly on doing that sort of thing.
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[17:03] <shiftplusone> Btw, family friendly channel.
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[17:03] <dunfy> Nah I know, I have an amateur radio license and they're pretty strict on tranmitting on freqs you're not licensed to.
[17:03] <dunfy> (and sorry)
[17:04] <shiftplusone> Yeah, someone was asking about using the pi as a transmitter and it got a few people stirred up, heh.
[17:05] <dunfy> As long as it's very low power you can sometimes get away with it, MP3 to Car radio adapters use FM to work, which are legal.
[17:05] <shiftplusone> This individual was asking about getting maximum range.
[17:05] <dunfy> Ha
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> FM transmitters - legal ones are 50nW.
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> the pi gpio transmitters will greatly exceed that, and the other emissions on undesired frequencies will be almost as strong
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[17:08] <dunfy> Has anyone measured it on the PI?
[17:08] <shiftplusone> I think the people that got stirred up were actually concerned about the other frequencies.
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> it's 3.3 v nominal
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[17:09] <SpeedEvil> this will result in an output power of several milliwatts into a wire antenna - about a million times over the allowed power.
[17:10] <dunfy> Probably not advisable then
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> For quitck - oooh - this is cool - 5 minute trials - not that much of a problem
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> for 'how much range can i get out of this thing I'm going to leave on 24 hours a day - no
[17:11] <dunfy> Yeah it's just how long someone reports you, or some official comes across the signal and investigates it.
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_FM_radio_transmitter
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> Is a page of mine on this topic - goes into the issues and links to submissions from the BBC on this issue.
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> It takes a very small amount of power to disturb a Fm reciever that's listening to another station on the edge of its covereage
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> _much_ less than it would take to be able to hear the interfering station properly
[17:13] <shiftplusone> I would've thought that the current and antenna is more important than the voltage =S
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> current and voltage are strongly related
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[17:15] <shiftplusone> But if you keep the current constant by adjusting the resistance, does voltage have an affect?
[17:15] <SpeedEvil> Power = voltage * current
[17:15] <SpeedEvil> you care about power, not either voltage or current.
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[17:16] <SpeedEvil> In pracitce, for many antennas, the free space impedence of space matters and creates a fairly natural relationship between voltage and current
[17:17] <shiftplusone> So as far as RF goes, a 5V 1A signal is as strong as a 10v 500mA signal?
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[17:18] <lord4163> Isn't iptables in the kernel?
[17:18] <chris_99> netfilter is in the kernel
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: yes, as far as that means anything
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> ##electronics
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[17:19] <lord4163> Iptables doesn't work here :( http://paste.kde.org/p62142b48/
[17:19] <shiftplusone> Hm... I should really read up on radio.
[17:19] <bts__> if I want c++ constructor to fail creating an object under some condition, would it be sufficient to call destructor from there?
[17:19] <dunfy> shiftplusone: It's pretty interesting, you meet a lot of interesting people too.
[17:20] <fooman2011> mmh problem solved by putting dwc_otg.speed=1 in the /boot/cmdline.txt
[17:20] <dunfy> fooman2011: nice one
[17:20] <dunfy> what's dwc_otg ?
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[17:20] <shiftplusone> dunfy, any recommendations?
[17:20] <fooman2011> but now my usb port are like 1.1 and not 2.0 :/
[17:21] <dunfy> shiftplusone: The best place to start is look for a local amatuer radio club to go along to
[17:21] <lord4163> Anyone?
[17:22] <fooman2011> dwc_otg.speed -> 1 will limit USB speed to full speed 12Mbps (USB 1.1)
[17:22] <shiftplusone> hm
[17:23] <dunfy> http://rsgb.org/main/clubs-and-education/find-a-club/
[17:23] <dunfy> I'm guessing you're in the UK
[17:24] <shiftplusone> D= well that's just offensive
[17:24] <dunfy> Oh?
[17:24] <shiftplusone> (Australia)
[17:24] <dunfy> Ah
[17:25] <dunfy> No idea how it works out there
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[17:27] <dunfy> fooman2011: I still think it's because it's not earthed properly
[17:28] <bts__> lord4163: it seems that ip_tables module is incompatible with current version of kernel, is everything upgraded? if so, maybe try downgrading kernel
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[17:28] <bts__> or compiling it on your own
[17:29] <lord4163> bts__: I actually figured it out, yesterday I installed the new kernel but didn't reboot, after the reboot it worked :-) Problem Solved!
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[17:54] <Marvin-RPi> even linux has to reboot one in a while
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[17:58] <atommann_> hi
[17:59] <sney> hi
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[18:40] <pellis> do anyone use IR led hooked to rpi in order to control appliances around the house? (tv, receiver, a/c)
[18:42] <pksato> pellis: search for lirc
[18:42] <pellis> cool!
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[18:46] <mgottschlag> I played with a microcontroller and an ir sensor some time ago, that was for *receiving* IR though :)
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[18:55] <pellis> mgottschlag, whats the benefit?
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[18:58] <mgottschlag> nothing, I want to build an audio amplifier which then will get IR remote control capabilities :)
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[19:02] <pellis> hmm
[19:02] <pellis> so i got 3 LEDs scavenged from old remotes
[19:02] <pellis> I'm wondering can i take out receiving IR led from an old CDROM drive?
[19:03] <mgottschlag> usually, IR remotes transmit modulated with 38kHz
[19:04] <mgottschlag> so for receiving you might want something which already filters that frequency
[19:04] <ShorTie> you would atleast need the other hafe of those remotes
[19:04] <mgottschlag> hm, for transmitting, 38kHz shoudn't be too difficult to do with the pi
[19:05] <ShorTie> ie" device they work
[19:05] <mgottschlag> with hardware PWM at least
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[19:48] <davor> this is weird. I just got an LED matrix in the mail (without a driver) and if I reverse polarity between two pins, the LED's color changes from red to green
[19:48] <davor> heh
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> afternoon.
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[19:53] <zero_coder> hi gordonDrogon
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[19:56] <davor> hi gordonDrogon
[19:56] <davor> can I connect I2C devices with the Pi powered on?
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> is it sensibe? Who knows.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> the main issue is other active devices on the bus (possibility of data corruption when the new device is initialising), and the power surge if you connect it to the Pi's 3.3 or 5v supply...
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[20:11] <davor> ah, gotcha. thanks gordonDrogon
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[21:23] <davor> is there anything wrong with powering a component with the Pi's 5v line lead through a 2N7000 to bump the voltage down to 3.3v in order to get more power to the component than the Pi's 3v line can provide?
[21:25] <mgottschlag> as long as the 3.3v regulation is good enough (what about a 1117 regulator instead?) and you don't exceed the current rating, there isn't anything wrong about that :)
[21:26] <davor> I think it'll do, I want to power the MCP23017 (Adafruit says I can power it with 5v and still connect it directly to a 3.3v device's i2c bus, but I'm being paranoid and don't want to take their word for it)
[21:26] <davor> its range is from 1.8v to 5.5v or something like that
[21:27] <mgottschlag> i2c really isn't problematic if you wire it correctly :)
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[21:57] <monkers> i think i found the problem, the eth0 routes arent being pulled when the eth0 gets unplugged
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[22:17] <davor> mgottschlag, problem is I know very little about i2c :p
[22:17] <davor> this is my first experimentation with it
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[22:28] <monkers> ok if i delete the configs for eth0 alltogether wlan0 works fine, so, thatll do for now
[22:28] <ShorTie> what are you gonna control with the MCP23017 ??
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[22:34] <davor> ShorTie, an LED matrix
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[22:37] <davor> I don't need current-limiting resistors on stuff like the MCP23017?
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[22:38] <pksato> davor: aways need a resistor or other way to limit current to use leds.
[22:39] <davor> no, I mean on the MCP23017's power supply line
[22:39] <pksato> no.
[22:40] <davor> thanks
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[22:40] <pksato> I think.
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[22:41] <davor> I have two more questions
[22:41] <davor> one, what's the purpose of the RESET pin?
[22:42] <pksato> to reset?
[22:42] <davor> and two, on the MCP23017's datasheet ( http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/devicedoc/21952b.pdf , page 4), INTA and INTB are interrupt outputs for PORTA and PORTB respectively. what are PORTA and PORTB?
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[22:43] <davor> isn't just cutting the power and reestablishing it sufficient? furthermore, I see it needs to be pulled up for normal operation. what happens otherwise? it just plain doesn't work?
[22:43] <pksato> A set of I/O pins
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[22:43] <davor> ahh, thanks
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[23:15] <mgottschlag> "isn't just cutting the power and reestablishing it sufficient?" - usually, yes - although the reset pin might be easier to use in some circumstances (when you use it in a real product, not in a hobby prototype)
[23:15] <Armand> I had to buy myself a new domain for my rPi projecy, baked-pi..
[23:16] <Armand> *project
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[23:16] <davor> Hmm, makes sense mgottschlag . Wouldn't it make more sense for it to have to be grounded for normal operation instead of pulled up?
[23:18] <mgottschlag> yeah, that is a bit weird at first, but results from the fact that nmos transistors (=those which are used to pull the reset pin down) are slightly cheaper at the same specs
[23:19] <mgottschlag> I mean, if you add an external nmos transistor to pull it down, that's more expensive than if you had to pull it up to reset the chip
[23:19] <mgottschlag> anyways, doesn't matter
[23:20] <davor> ahh heheh, interesting
[23:20] <davor> thanks
[23:20] <mgottschlag> WP "Logic level": "This stems from the fact[dubious – discuss] that most logic families can sink more current than they can source", that's what I meant
[23:21] <mgottschlag> same reason why i2c for example uses a pullup resistor, but pulldown transistors in the chips (=nmos)
[23:21] <mgottschlag> http://www.esacademy.com/assets/images/hsbus.jpg
[23:22] <davor> ah
[23:22] <davor> makes sense
[23:22] <davor> thanks man :)
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[23:22] <mgottschlag> also, "more expensive" should have been "less expensive
[23:22] <mgottschlag> :)
[23:23] <davor> yeah heheh, I got the gist :)
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