#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-09-17

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[0:54] <blueredturtle> this probably isn't the right channel for this, but we're looking for a way to hide the mouse cursor in javafx (arm). I found some documentation from a while ago that said that you couldn't in the arm builds, but I'm not sure if this has changed, or if there is another way to get around this. (we don't need a mouse at all - we're using a touchscreen)
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[1:38] <jda2000> What's the life expectancy of a Raspberry Pi?
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[1:40] <jda2000> at 100% CPU utilization?
[1:40] <ozzzy> as long as the temp doesn't get over 85 a long time
[1:41] <jda2000> ozzzy, Years?
[1:41] <Sonny_Jim> The MTBF will probably be on the datasheet
[1:41] <ozzzy> years... decades... who knows
[1:41] <Sonny_Jim> The people who designed the chip know and calculated an MTBF figure
[1:41] <jda2000> Sonny_Jim, OK.
[1:42] <ozzzy> MTBF is just a statistical construct.... could fail tomorrow... could fail in 2113
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[1:46] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[1:46] <Sonny_Jim> But some people rather like to try and calculate 'chance'
[1:46] <Sonny_Jim> especially if you are buying 250,000 chips
[1:47] <jda2000> What then, is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?
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[1:51] <Sonny_Jim> September
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[1:52] <raidensnake> how does the pi handle on fibre based connections?#
[1:53] <Sonny_Jim> The bottleneck will be on the USB interface
[1:53] <Sonny_Jim> The network adapter connects to the CPU though USB (even though it's onboard)
[1:54] <raidensnake> what's the max rate limit though?
[1:54] <Sonny_Jim> No idea, quick google will probably find it though
[1:54] <Sonny_Jim> It's a 100Mb/s interface, so maybe 70-80Mb/s if you are lucky?
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[1:55] <pksato> 60Mb/s
[1:55] <raidensnake> well I'm getting fibre installed later today and my connection is estimated to be 66.2Mbits down/ 20mbits up
[1:56] <Dagger2> raidensnake: with BT? I have a feeling that isn't going to be fibre-based
[1:56] <raidensnake> I'm getting FTTC
[1:57] <raidensnake> Fibre To The Cabinet
[1:57] <Sonny_Jim> How far away is the cabinet and what's the contention ratio
[1:57] <Sonny_Jim> My Ferrari doesn't go very quick when there's a traffic jam....
[1:57] <raidensnake> 135 meters and the connection ratio is estimated to be around 3.3:1
[1:58] <raidensnake> instead of 17:1 as it is now.
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[1:58] <raidensnake> for ADSL2+
[1:58] <atouk> when it gets to 1:1, sell
[1:59] <raidensnake> 3.3:1 is better than virgin media
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[2:00] <Dagger2> yeah, FTTC means it's not fibre to you :p
[2:00] <raidensnake> even so 66.2/20 is pretty high
[2:01] <Dagger2> the RPi can just about route 65 Mbit/s with connection tracking enabled
[2:01] <Dagger2> and if you're not routing it'll handle that just fine
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[2:04] <jda2000> What replaces lspci on the RPi?
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[2:06] <Sonny_Jim> jda2000: lsusb?
[2:07] <pksato> jda2000: rpi dont have pci bus.
[2:07] <jda2000> Thanks, so the USB bus is the only bus I can ls...
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[2:13] <jda2000> Sonny_Jim, When you said that the network adapter connected via USB I did an lsusb.
[2:13] <jda2000> On rasbian.
[2:14] <jda2000> Was not able to confirm your assertion, without your help.
[2:14] <Sonny_Jim> Right
[2:14] <Sonny_Jim> Well, tried google?
[2:15] <jda2000> No, but I will. Later. AFK....
[2:15] <Sonny_Jim> Roger, copy that. Over and out.
[2:15] <Sonny_Jim> 73
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[3:07] <j4jackj> uclibc
[3:07] <j4jackj> opus
[3:07] <j4jackj> lemons
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[3:35] <Jeebiss> This is going to sound bizarre, but would someone be able to test something out for me?
[3:35] <STLBrian> ?
[3:35] <Jeebiss> All you need is a mic your pi will capture from, in most cases a webcam
[3:35] <Jeebiss> I've been battling google's speech to text api, and I need to see if it works with someone else's mic setup
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[3:37] <Jeebiss> its a pretty simple test, if someone is willing to help
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[3:46] <jda2000> Sonny_Jim, OK, I can See in the schematic that the Ethernet port and the USB ports go through the same LAN9512 chip.
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[3:48] <jda2000> Sonny_Jim, but it looks like a case of two fairly independent devices on the same chip. As far as I can tell.....
[3:52] <jda2000> Sonny_Jim, Scratch that. They are connected in the LAN9512 block diagram and it says the Ethernet controller implements 4 USB endpoints.
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[4:05] <Jeebiss> anyone familar with sox?
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[4:12] <Jeebiss> Hey guys, anyone know how to set the record duration using the 'rec' command from sox?
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[4:16] <Sonny_Jim> rec -c 2 radio.aiff trim 0 30:00
[4:16] <Sonny_Jim> records half an hour of stereo audio
[4:16] <Sonny_Jim> From the man page
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[4:16] <Jeebiss> oh
[4:16] <Jeebiss> i swear i looked all over that massive man page
[4:16] <Jeebiss> thank you :)
[4:17] <Sonny_Jim> It wasn't easy to find
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[6:08] <Adya> Hi guys
[6:08] <sney> hi
[6:08] <Adya> How are you?
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[6:09] <Adya> I just need to know, what os do you use on pi?
[6:09] <sney> I use raspbian
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[6:10] <Adya> I tried both arch and risc, but raspbian is still the most comfortable for me
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[6:10] <sney> it's recommended for a reason
[6:10] <Adya> Anyway, people say it's nooby
[6:11] <sney> it's a recompile of debian stable with fewer packages. debian isn't "nooby" by most people's definition
[6:11] <opcode> who cares what people think
[6:11] <Adya> I guess, that geeks definetly use something different
[6:12] <sney> fsvo 'geeks'
[6:12] <opcode> the kind of people who use a particular product because of its perceived social worth are the WORST kind of hipster douchebags
[6:12] <sney> also, this
[6:12] <Adya> NOONE CARES! LOL!
[6:12] <opcode> use whatever linux gets the job done and fits your preferences
[6:13] <sney> you could even lfs. but it'd take a while. heh
[6:13] <Adya> Opcode, thx, i think you're right!
[6:13] <opcode> rock on Adya
[6:13] <Adya> Heh;-)
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[6:15] <Adya> Sorry for offtop, but if there is any irc addict, can you recommend me some quite popular channel where I can chat on any topic just for fun?
[6:15] <opcode> #defocus might be what you're looking for
[6:15] <opcode> at least on freenode
[6:15] <opcode> other networks will have other channels
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[6:17] <Adya> Thx to everybody, bye! Have a nice day, guys ;-)
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[8:00] <InterWeb> When I connect my 5V,1A charger to pi It doesn't bootup ,but on 5V,1.2A it workes good , why ?
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[8:03] <j4jackj> InterWeb: voltage droop
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[8:04] <InterWeb> j4jackj, but my another charger with same Voltage is working good ,why ?
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[8:07] <j4jackj> InterWeb: more amps, less voltage droop
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[8:41] <lord4163> Hello
[8:41] <lord4163> Can I set in raspbian to boot once from usb?
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[8:55] <berzerka> hi there
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[8:57] <berzerka> is anyone running the 3.11.y branch successfully? i have problems with the smsc95xx module crashing (or so it seems). any reports on that?
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[9:00] <berzerka> also, should i in general be able to reproduce kernel oopses with a qemu machine emulation? in that case i would set up qemu to ease kernel debugging.
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[9:04] <elmargol> Hi I'm wondering if there is a decent DLNA server for the RaspberryPi. I'd like to atach media to the pi and stream it to a chromecast
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[9:20] <quackgyver> Hey, anyone here good at electronics?
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[9:21] <rikkib> Your question
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[9:25] <quackgyver> Well, I tried asking in ##electronics but couldn't get a straight answer due to people wanting to flaunt their knowledge or school you (which I don't care about, but I still need an answer). I'm wondering why engineers who tinker with electronics seem so unconcerned with shorting circuits. Like for example, I was watching a YT video of some guy who was
[9:25] <quackgyver> making a portable NES hack, and he basically just sandwiched two boards which were mounted to each half of a case, with some wires and peripherals connected to each
[9:26] <berzerka> have to get to work, will check back later.
[9:26] <berzerka> bb
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[9:26] <quackgyver> and I'm sort of thinking that the whole device would be ruined if one of the cables' protection was to wear or tear and expose the metal to the wrong circuit
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[9:27] <quackgyver> when I tinker with my own projects, I feel like I'm taking more steps to ensure safety in this sense than what normal engineers seem to do
[9:27] <quackgyver> and I'm wondering why
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[9:28] <kai> morning folks
[9:29] <rikkib> In most instances it does not matter but
[9:30] <rikkib> maybe they have access good supplies of the bits cheap
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[9:30] <rikkib> as for logic circuits most are low power
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[9:31] <rikkib> if you short something it may not kill it.
[9:31] <rikkib> when the smoke comes out replace the chip and sort the fault condition
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[9:32] <rikkib> Hacking stuff is a bit different to designing from scratch
[9:35] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/
[9:35] <rikkib> A look at module I use with the RPi
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[9:38] <murlock> elmargol: in past, I've used Tombstone
[9:39] <murlock> and also minidlna
[9:39] <elmargol> The idea is to use the pi as dlna server my phone as remote and chromecast as renderer
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[9:40] <quackgyver> rikkib: Okay, that explains everything.
[9:40] <quackgyver> Thanks. :-)
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[9:41] <quackgyver> arent people afraid that the open metal ends of cables will touch each other though?
[9:41] <rikkib> Yes most likely
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[9:41] <kai> I'm planning to drive a 12 V fan from my rpi, obviously I need to do this via a transistor. will a transistor switch fast enough to do a PWM so I can run the fan at different speeds?
[9:41] <rikkib> I tend not to have open wire ends hanging around
[9:42] <rikkib> I use vero board and the wire you find on PC front panels
[9:42] <kai> I figure that most of the time I'll avoid the noise that running at 12 V generates, and 5 V should be sifficient most days
[9:42] <kai> *sufficient
[9:42] <rikkib> and connect modules together
[9:43] <rikkib> I have hundreds if not thousands of circuit board pins
[9:44] <rikkib> Most modules have the same pins style
[9:44] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/
[9:44] <quackgyver> rikkib: Alright
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[9:44] <quackgyver> thx
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[9:48] <rikkib> Both my RPi web cams...
[9:48] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/index.html
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[9:56] <rikkib> I dare say my web cams overload my outbound rate of 100KB
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[10:38] <berzerka> hi again. is anyone running the 3.11.y branch successfully? i have problems with the smsc95xx module crashing (or so it seems). any reports on that?
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[10:41] <ShorTie> berzerka, have you read this ?? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=11971&p=129570
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[10:41] <shiftplusone> A thread that's over a year old might not be helpful
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[10:43] <ShorTie> when it talks about noise on the usb ??
[10:43] <ShorTie> i found this interesting atleast
[10:43] <shiftplusone> Using a different kernel does not magically inject noise though.
[10:44] <ShorTie> When the speakers are powered by the same hub which is connected to the PI and connected to the audio out of the PI, one can hear noise which matches the text printed on the console. So when the PI boots one can turn the screen off and listen to the text being printed via the hdmi out. If the PI is disconnected from the usb hub, then the audio is almost completely noise free. The noise signal is also different if the hdmi is connected or not, si
[10:44] <ShorTie> nce the only GND line to the PI is through the monitor to hdmi shield.
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[10:49] <berzerka> ShorTie, thanks for the pointer. might be related to the hardware problem (noise on the bus), but since this particular device runs fine with the 3.6.y branch, i rather expect it to be a software issue.
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[10:52] <ShorTie> well, if that is the case, a nice diff should be able to explain it then
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[10:52] <shiftplusone> >_< a diff between 3.6 and 3.11... have fun sorting through that. Really berzerka you need to give the errors you are getting.
[10:53] <ShorTie> true, and like you say, without specific error we are shotting in the dark
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[10:54] <berzerka> shiftplusone, alright, i'll report back if i have the backtrace available. it was a kernel panic upon loading of the smsc95xx module.
[10:54] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, you are always shooting in the dark >_< I am starting to see a pattern =P
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[10:55] <shiftplusone> berzerka, that sort of thing is best posted on the forum. Dom actually pays attention to those sorts of posts and can offer the best help.
[10:55] <shiftplusone> (as long as you include all the information)
[10:55] <berzerka> shiftplusone, thanks, will do that.
[10:56] <ShorTie> sorry i am not as good as you
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[10:57] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, not where I was going with that. I have no idea what the problem is either.
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[10:58] <shiftplusone> apologies if that came across not as intended D=
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[11:22] <RichardP> i dont suppose anyone in here has any experience with scons?
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[11:23] <berzerka> RichardP, not much. what is your question?
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[11:24] <RichardP> berzerka: im just wondering if doing "scons install" should actually compile anything? Ive already done "scons" and suffered a 8 hour build :)
[11:25] <RichardP> when i do scons install, it starts to compile
[11:25] <RichardP> just wondering if thats normal (not used scons before, im used to make)
[11:25] <berzerka> RichardP, well yeah, as with any build system, the install target probably depends on a successful build of what is going to get installed, which makes total sense.
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[11:25] <berzerka> RichardP, same with make install targets, normally.
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[11:26] <RichardP> berzerka: yes, i understand that, but ive already successfully built the codebase - i wasnt expecting the install target to launch the compiler
[11:27] <berzerka> RichardP, did you update some sourcefiles in the meantime maybe? or installing a different config that you built beforehand? debug/release?
[11:27] <RichardP> nope
[11:27] <berzerka> RichardP, messed up system clock? :P
[11:27] <RichardP> nope
[11:27] <berzerka> RichardP, hm well then i have no idea, sorry..
[11:27] <RichardP> system has been up since it finished building as well
[11:28] <RichardP> berzerka: so you wouldnt expect an install target to build unless the codebase hasnt been compiled properly?
[11:28] * ShorTie might suggest using nano and then you could see what it does, but without it right here i'm shotting in the dark
[11:29] <RichardP> ShorTie: good point, lets take a look
[11:30] <berzerka> RichardP, remove one negation from that sentence, then yes.
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[11:30] <berzerka> RichardP, if the codebase has not been compiled properly, the install target will fail, or rather retrigger the build.
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[11:34] <RichardP> ahh sod it, i cant work out what scons does - it could be accessing another reality for all I can make of the file :)
[11:35] <RichardP> brb
[11:35] <RichardP> thanks for the help :)
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[13:38] <hetii> Hi :)
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[13:40] <hetii> Any clue how to rescue my pi board ? In uart i got nothing, few cards was flashed by different way and different images non of them start. currently after power the green led have poorly light and nothing happens.
[13:41] <hetii> power supply 5v, 1.8v 3.3v are fine
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[13:42] <hetii> i also re-solder sd slot to be sure that there are no cold contacts.
[13:42] <hetii> Is there any other way to check if cpu is still alive ?
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[14:34] <mgottschlag> hetii: it used to work?
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[14:40] <hetii> in past yes
[14:43] <ShorTie> has it been over clocked ??
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[14:46] <hetii> yep, but i don`t use it often, and the trouble start where i put my board to another case where i disolder usb ports and remove C6.
[14:50] <hetii> but the strange think is that sometime i saw that gren light blinking in some patern :) so like trouble with booting procedure.
[14:50] <hetii> but now is silent
[14:51] <hetii> so the question is if there is possible to talk with pi board via some jtag to see what exactly happens
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[14:52] <hetii> as i saw the uart part is initialized after booting
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[15:10] <mgottschlag> hetii: I think you are out of luck
[15:10] <SirLagz> hifi
[15:10] <mgottschlag> JTAG to the ARM core won't help you because that is only initialized by the bootloader afaik, and the bootloader does not run correctly
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[15:11] <hifi> SirLagz: yas
[15:11] <SirLagz> hifi: your installer, does it do repartition as well ?
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[15:11] <hifi> SirLagz: of course, it only has a fat32 partition by default
[15:11] <SirLagz> does it let me choose the size ?
[15:11] <hifi> why does it matter?
[15:12] <SirLagz> because I don't want it to use the whole SD Card
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[15:12] <hifi> any particular reason for that?
[15:12] <hifi> I'm being difficult but bear with me
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[15:12] <SirLagz> hifi: My Micro-SD => SD Card adapter is buggerred, so I'm using a SD Card that I don't want to use just for the Pi
[15:13] <SirLagz> hifi: if it won't do it, it's no problems. I'll just install RSE manually
[15:13] <SirLagz> I'd rather use your installer because I want a minimal system though
[15:13] <hifi> SirLagz: there are options
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[15:13] <hifi> you can choose the fat32 partition size
[15:13] <SirLagz> that will do
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[15:13] <SirLagz> off to get your installer ! :D
[15:13] <hifi> lol
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[15:13] <hifi> I thought that might be enough
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[15:14] <SirLagz> going to try and unlock a linksys SPA-2102 with a RPi :D
[15:16] <InterWeb> How do I can open a software like transmission on raspberry pi in background using command line ?
[15:16] <SirLagz> InterWeb: use transmission-daemon ?
[15:16] <SirLagz> InterWeb: or use screen
[15:16] <SirLagz> InterWeb: or `transmission-cli &`
[15:16] <InterWeb> SirLagz, I've used transmission-gtk
[15:16] <SirLagz> then use the last option
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[15:20] <InterWeb> SirLagz, How do I can add a magnet url to transmission-cli ?
[15:20] <SirLagz> no idea, sorry. I don't use transmission-cli
[15:21] <InterWeb> SirLagz, What do you use for torrent ?
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[15:21] <SirLagz> transmission-daemon
[15:21] <InterWeb> SirLagz, How do I can use that
[15:21] <SirLagz> do you mean "How do you" or "How can you" ?
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[15:22] <InterWeb> How do you use that ? sorry for my bad English
[15:22] <SirLagz> transmission-daemon uses a web interface
[15:23] <SirLagz> so run transmission-daemon on the Pi, then access the web interface iwth a browser on another computer
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[15:24] <SirLagz> hifi: your windows image isn't booting for me :(
[15:24] <SirLagz> hifi: your windows image isn't booting for me :(
[15:24] <SirLagz> oops.
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[15:24] <hifi> oh?
[15:24] <SirLagz> I'll try the linux one
[15:24] <SirLagz> maybe it's just this SD card.
[15:25] <SirLagz> derp. I just realised there's no difference between windows and linux version lol
[15:25] <InterWeb> SirLagz, ok I'm running transmission-daemon , then ?
[15:26] <SirLagz> so run transmission-daemon on the Pi, then access the web interface iwth a browser on another computer
[15:26] <SirLagz> port 9090 ?
[15:26] <SirLagz> or something similar
[15:26] <SirLagz> google will help you there.
[15:26] <hifi> SirLagz: except latter is an actual image
[15:26] <SirLagz> ah true
[15:28] <SirLagz> dammit the ethernet ports gone funky agian
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[15:31] <SirLagz> hifi: does it ask me as it's installing about customising the size or anything ?
[15:31] <hifi> of course not
[15:31] <SirLagz> didn't think so, but just checking haha
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[15:35] <SirLagz> opinions on a good light but easily configurable webserver ? I'm assuming answer will be lighttpd but I'm looking for alternatives.
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[16:14] <bts__> ave
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[16:46] <hetii> I have bad feeling about my PI :) http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8638/qy43.jpg
[16:46] <hetii> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/ax22.jpg/
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[16:47] <Vostok> how is that even possible
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[16:49] <IT_Sean> What the hell did you do to it, hetii!?
[16:49] <IT_Sean> It looks like it's been in a house fire.
[16:50] <hetii> Well it was my last chance to rescue it :) http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/wcub.jpg/
[16:50] <IT_Sean> wait...
[16:50] <IT_Sean> you....
[16:50] <IT_Sean> you put it in an oven?
[16:51] <IT_Sean> WHY!?
[16:51] <hetii> yep
[16:51] <pksato> O_o
[16:51] <IT_Sean> Don't take offense to this, but, that was a monumentally stupid thing to do.
[16:52] <pksato> to make a RPi cake?
[16:52] <hetii> cause it won`t boot anymore, and any other way fails :)
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[16:53] <pksato> how you have a contamined oven.
[16:53] <IT_Sean> That too.
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[16:54] <pksato> for reheating uses a not in use eletric oven,
[16:54] <mgottschlag> IT_Sean: not necesarily too bad
[16:55] <mgottschlag> I mean, the general idea
[16:55] <mgottschlag> in this case though... :D
[16:55] <pksato> with thermostat.
[16:55] <IT_Sean> True. But, in this case, the execution was just biblically wrong.
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[16:55] <IT_Sean> hetii: your household oven is NOT (i repeat, IS NOT) a reflow oven.
[16:55] <hetii> it is oven for gas :)
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[16:56] <IT_Sean> hetii: congratulations. You ahve ruined your Pi, and contaminated your oven. Well done.
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[16:56] <hetii> ok time to solder memmory and see if its up :D
[16:56] <IT_Sean> hetii: that Pi is never going to work again.
[16:56] <IT_Sean> You've ruined it.
[16:56] <IT_Sean> It's dead.
[16:57] <hetii> I suppose will not be dead more then before :)
[16:58] <asramos> hetii: congratz now you have a rasp to dinner! :)
[17:00] <mgottschlag> also, hetii, next time read up on reflow profiles :)
[17:00] <IT_Sean> ^ that
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[17:01] <hetii> i ask before here if some of you have other idea to fix it, i just hear that have no luck so try my idea :)
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[17:01] <mgottschlag> heh, I understand why you did it :D
[17:02] <mgottschlag> and it could have worked, with akĺmost any oven
[17:02] <mgottschlag> but that looks like a bit too much heat a bit too long ^^
[17:03] <mgottschlag> http://www.puiaudio.com/images/reflow_profile.jpg
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[17:05] <hetii> hmm it wwas around 360~400 degre
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[17:06] <hetii> yep too much for it :<
[17:07] <sney> it's a pi, not a pie.
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[17:11] <sover> pi * e
[17:13] <hetii> yep its still dead, even red led don`t work anymore:(
[17:13] <sover> :(
[17:13] <sover> what did you do to it?
[17:13] <rigid> hetii: checked your power supply?
[17:13] <hetii> sure i check it :)
[17:13] <mgottschlag> rigid: did you see the photos? :)
[17:13] <rigid> oh no, sorry... sec
[17:14] <rigid> lol... reflow-with-campfire (tm) :)
[17:15] <rigid> hetii: this looks like the maximum credible accident you could have when reflowing :)
[17:15] <rigid> anything worse involves flames i guess :D
[17:16] <IT_Sean> it looks like there might have been flames, actually.
[17:17] <hetii> well to be honest there was :/
[17:17] <rigid> hehe
[17:17] <hetii> i use paper box to keep distance from back to pi and they burn :(
[17:18] <rigid> paper+heat=bad idea
[17:18] <rigid> actually the pi is a small price to learn that :) you could have burnt down the house i suppose...
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[17:23] <hetii> ok time to order some other arm board? with other then pi are in market that are worth to check ?
[17:24] <troulouliou_dev> hetii, if you don't need gpu related stuff, cupieboard seems nice
[17:24] <mgottschlag> beaglebone black looks good as well
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[17:25] <hetii> i look something for simple httpd server :)
[17:25] <mgottschlag> and is targeted at a similar audience like the pi (well, at least the maker part, not so much the educational part)
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[17:28] <InterWeb> How do I can install archlinux on my raspberry pi?
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[17:29] <berzerka> hetii, i find this page pretty informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers
[17:30] <hetii> nice :)
[17:30] <InterWeb> Can anyone help ?
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[17:31] <megaproxy> https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CF0QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Felinux.org%2FArchLinux_Install_Guide&ei=xXU4UtKLCKXQ7AbfkYCwDg&usg=AFQjCNEobfPCpyVh3OnTyln5LzlKysR7tg&sig2=axTHaAnaAcWLGquxoOw2JQ
[17:31] <megaproxy> uh
[17:31] <berzerka> InterWeb, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Raspberry_Pi
[17:31] <megaproxy> http://elinux.org/ArchLinux_Install_Guide
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[17:44] <darkbasic> If someone is interested I released a new version of my image: http://www.linuxsystems.it/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
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[18:25] <InterWeb> How do I can download torrent using magnet link on raspberry pi raspbian ?
[18:26] <PhotoJim> rtorrent
[18:26] <PhotoJim> run it, hit "backspace", paste magnet link into field
[18:26] <PhotoJim> hit enter
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[18:29] <InterWeb> PhotoJim, Hashing: Sorage error : [Hash checker was unable to map chunk : Permission denied]
[18:29] <InterWeb> sorate ==> storage
[18:30] <PhotoJim> do you have write privileges where you're trying to put the file?
[18:30] <InterWeb> PhonicUK, what ?
[18:31] <InterWeb> PhonicUK, my fault
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[18:37] <InterWeb> How do I can change the permission using chmod ?
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[18:39] <PhonicUK> autocomplete is a *****
[18:39] <PhotoJim> InterWeb: it's easy, but first you need to figure out where you're trying to put the file and if it's an appropriate place to change the permissions.
[18:39] <PhonicUK> :P
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[18:43] <PhonicUK> I think we need a #raspberrypi-adults, I just got told off for using asterisks...
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[18:44] <sney> PhonicUK: #raspbian sort of provides that channel
[18:45] <bts__> InterWeb: what permissions do you want to set?
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[19:13] <nicdev> does anyone know if HiFiMAN HM-101 usb DAC will work with rPi or someone who have used it willing to share their experience?
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[19:19] <sney> nicdev: all you really need to worry about is : a) linux driver support, b) power requirements, and sometimes c) cpu usage
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[19:20] <Sonny_Jim> Most USB audio devices 'just work'
[19:20] <Sonny_Jim> At least in my experience
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[19:25] <nicdev> sney: from their forms, it seems they use a common chip so the driver is supported by default. I will get it and give it a shot. i have a powered hub so i might have to use that.
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[19:34] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[19:34] <Sonny_Jim> I have the choice between using my GPIO for making a TAS SNES thingy
[19:34] <Sonny_Jim> or controlling LED strips
[19:35] <IT_Sean> sounds like you need a 2nd raspi!
[19:35] <Sonny_Jim> The TAS SNES thingy would be cool as funk, but a lot tougher
[19:35] <Sonny_Jim> But the LED one would have instant payoff
[19:35] <Sonny_Jim> I did have two, the SD socket died on the other one though
[19:35] <Sonny_Jim> Meeh
[19:35] <Sonny_Jim> Less chat more splat is the phrase I think
[19:36] <IT_Sean> o_O
[19:36] <Sonny_Jim> If the SNES inputs are 3.3v then I'll probably go for that as the level converter/buffer I have only has 2 outputs on it
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[19:36] <Sonny_Jim> So atm I can only control 2 strips safely
[19:36] <Sonny_Jim> But then I could always use a shift register, which would be something good to learn
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[19:37] <unpopsicle> Sonny_Jim: maybe you need a blog to express your workflow
[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> lol
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[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> Well right now I use the Pi for Pager decoding, that's pretty fun
[19:37] <IT_Sean> Pager decoding?
[19:37] <IT_Sean> o_O
[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> Yurp
[19:38] <IT_Sean> wassat?
[19:38] <unpopsicle> IT_Sean: in the 80's before there were mobile phones people used pagers to communicate
[19:38] <Sonny_Jim> I did a forum post about it, but basically you need a £10 USB TV tuner
[19:38] <IT_Sean> yeah, but, noone uses them anymore>
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[19:38] <IT_Sean> ?
[19:38] <Sonny_Jim> Quite a lot do actually
[19:38] <IT_Sean> really?
[19:38] <PhotoJim> pagers are still used, for sure
[19:38] <Sonny_Jim> Not personal, but alarms, fire, medical etc
[19:38] <unpopsicle> IT_Sean: probably a hipster thing
[19:38] <IT_Sean> and you are intercepting the messages?
[19:38] <Sonny_Jim> You can't beat the battery life and reception
[19:38] <unpopsicle> IT_Sean: like using a typewriter in a coffee shop
[19:39] <PhotoJim> a pager lets a person be accessible without having to give up their mobile #
[19:39] <PhotoJim> they can be callable but not be interrupted
[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> A pager will run for weeks on a single AA
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[19:39] <rigid> Sonny_Jim: checkout http://niftyled.de and go with the LEDs... they are cooler than mario :)
[19:39] <unpopsicle> PhotoJim: so modern pagers are small and cheap?
[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> Plus as they don't transmit you can use them in RF sensitive places
[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> like hospitals etc
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[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> Pagers were always small and cheap
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[19:39] <unpopsicle> not that small
[19:40] <rigid> POCSAG is fun
[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> The protocol is designed so that most of the time the pager is in a very low power state
[19:40] <unpopsicle> I'm thinking button sized
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[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> Once it receives the tone, it wakes up to see if the message is aimed at it, then goes to sleep again
[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> I did a detailed post on the forums, a search for POCSAG should find it
[19:40] <IT_Sean> so, Sonny_Jim, are you able to decode the messages?
[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, it's all clear text
[19:41] <knob> Anybody here use the rPi cam? I am using raspicam, and was wondering if there's a flag to set a "Title" to the image
[19:41] <IT_Sean> awesome
[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> But part of the telegraphy act states that "interception of *any* message not targeted at you is a crime" yadda yadda
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[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> In the US it's slightly different, *acting* on the message is a crime
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> example message:
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> POCSAG1200-: Alpha: 18:42-26 Daily Test Message<NUL>
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[19:43] <PhotoJim> unpopsicle: pretty small, quite cheap,yes.
[19:43] <IT_Sean> cooooooool
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> I patched the decoder to dump to an sql database so I've run out of things to do with it
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> If I had a pager subscription I could control the Pi via POCSAG
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[20:21] <h1nd> hello. Is there a way to get DRBD 8.4.x installed on a RPi running Raspbian? The repo only has 8.3.x and I am not sure if I can compile 8.4.x through the source files, because the kernel is also touched
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[20:30] <Jusii> are you sure?
[20:31] <Jusii> I know nothing about DRBD but this http://www.drbd.org/users-guide/s-build-from-source.html suggests, that you only need kernel source / headers to build it
[20:31] <Jusii> kernel module is built separately from kernel source
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[20:40] <h1nd> Jusii: I even cant run "cd /usr/src/linux" because I don't have this dir on my RPi. That's why I am asking the Pro's in here. How should I compile it on my RPi ?
[20:40] <Jusii> ah, ok
[20:41] <Jusii> you need to install kernel source and headers packages
[20:41] <Jusii> I don't have any RPi's at home so I can't give you exact commands right now
[20:42] <plugwash> which is where things get messy because most people use the foundation kernel's and the foundation are not very competant in kernel packaging :(
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[20:43] <shiftplusone> plugwash, I have been meaning to ask. Is the kernel provided by you guys built from the same source or is it the mainline kernel with some patches?
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[20:43] <h1nd> plugwash: what does that mean? I will not be able to build DRBD 8.4.x on the RPi ?
[20:44] <gordonjcp> h1nd: I wouldn't bother compiling *anything* on the Pi
[20:44] <h1nd> gordonjcp: why?
[20:44] <gordonjcp> h1nd: it'll be quicker to set up a toolchain on a decently fast machine and compile there
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[20:44] <plugwash> h1nd, it means if you are running the kernel supplied by the raspberry pi foundation then building kernel modules will be a pain
[20:45] <plugwash> and as it's something i've not got involved with myself I can't provide details on how to do it
[20:45] <h1nd> gordonjcp: oh, ok :) due to speed reasons, I see ...
[20:45] <gordonjcp> h1nd: make yourself a build server that's faster than the Pi
[20:45] <plugwash> there are debian style kernels in the raspbian repository though they may lag a bit behind the foundation kernels
[20:45] <gordonjcp> h1nd: have you got an old PII kicking about? ;-)
[20:45] <h1nd> plugwash: as I am using the original Raspbian image, I think it'll be impossible for me to get this version run on my RPi, right?
[20:46] <plugwash> h1nd, not impossible but likely not trivial either
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[20:46] <h1nd> damn it :(
[20:46] <h1nd> but thank you guys
[20:46] <plugwash> gordonjcp, cross-building is faster than building native but it also brings in a lot of extra complexities which are the last thing a newbie needs
[20:46] * gordonjcp wonders what the difference between the 256M and 512M ones are, besides the RAM
[20:47] <gordonjcp> plugwash: true
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[20:47] <gordonjcp> plugwash: still, getting same-day service is nice
[20:47] <hht> hello, where are logs on rpi ? I have raspbmc
[20:47] <plugwash> shiftplusone, we have a script that takes the foundation git repo and the upstream linux git repo and spits out a truckload of patches. We then apply these on top of the debian kernel sources
[20:48] <shiftplusone> plugwash, isn't that the same thing as compiling straight from the foundation's source?
[20:48] <h1nd> plugwash: maybe you know if there's a package of DRBD 8.4.x which I can download from somewhere and install it manually with dpkg (or similar) ?
[20:48] <plugwash> h1nd, not that i'm aware of
[20:49] <plugwash> shiftplusone, not exactly because it means we get BOTH the foundation's changes and debian's changes
[20:49] <shiftplusone> ah, fair enough. Thanks for clearing that up.
[20:52] <ciaron> the difficult i've had (with compiling modules) is finding packages for the kernel headers
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[20:57] <gordonjcp> y'know, PoP RAM is pretty cheap these days
[20:58] <gordonjcp> and 256MB RPis are pretty cheap too, second hand at least
[21:00] <plugwash> once you add the cost of the correct PoP ram and the cost of reworking though I doubt it's worth doing a ram upgrade
[21:00] <plugwash> even if it's theoretically possible
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[22:02] <funkster> i need a custom circuit board built to power raspberry pi via micro usb @ the current amps, 120MM fans, and a 110v plug for computer. anyone know who i can talk to for this?
[22:03] <shiftplusone> You need someone else to build it for you, or are you only asking about how to go about it?
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[22:04] <funkster> id like to hire qualified people to do this, as its a production device.
[22:04] <funkster> asking about how to go about finding companies that do this.
[22:05] <rigid> you want like 10.000 of those devices?
[22:05] <shiftplusone> Yup, doing it properly is not as trivial as it sounds. Not sure where to direct you though, sorry.
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[22:05] <funkster> about a 100 of these i would need for first run.
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[22:06] <rigid> it's quite trivial, but true: when doing it properly there are quite some pitfalls
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[22:06] <funkster> rigid: what pitfalls come to mind for you?
[22:06] <rigid> funkster: you need some all-in-one devices? why not get a ready 5V PSU, premade cables and a power cord?
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[22:07] <rigid> funkster: for example missing certification that's needed in your country, sources of hazard/fire/electrical shock, missing isolation foobar
[22:07] <funkster> i have that, i am trying to consolidate down to one powering device, to become more production like.
[22:08] <shiftplusone> I think most of the pitfalls come from the switched-mode power supply design, especially if you don't want to use a ready-made Chinese board for it.
[22:08] <rigid> PSU design itself is far from trivial
[22:08] <funkster> now i have tons of cables
[22:08] <rigid> funkster: so you want a box with a 110V socket, 5V USB connector and tiny connectors for fans?
[22:09] <plugwash> Personally I'd try and find a PSU that can deliver both 5V and 12V off the shelf and the customise the output cables
[22:09] <rigid> i'd modify some existing AC power distributor i guess
[22:09] <IT_Sean> plugwash: ATX PSU?
[22:09] <funkster> rigid: yes. maybe a powers supply exists with all these?
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[22:09] <plugwash> IT_Sean, overkill, i'd be looking more at something like the PSUs sold for use with HDDs
[22:09] <rigid> yep, go with what plugwash said and put it in a nice case
[22:10] <IT_Sean> plugwash: what about taking a 12v PSU, and adding a 5v rail to it via a regulator?
[22:10] <funkster> what i cant find is a PSU that have 110 socket for the inside.
[22:10] <funkster> maybe i havent looked hard enough?
[22:10] <rigid> and don't choose a cheap PSU for it can generate noise/EMR
[22:11] <rigid> funkster: they don't have 110V socket but they all take 110V input
[22:11] <rigid> ...just route the cable from the input to a socket
[22:11] <plugwash> IT_Sean, that is an option too though if you go down that road make sure you use a switching regulator
[22:11] <IT_Sean> funkster: I don't think you are going to find such a thing. The regulations around mains voltages are quite strict in most countries regarding wiring and such
[22:11] <IT_Sean> Yes
[22:11] <shiftplusone> Wouldn't any switched-mode PSU generate noise/EMR if you don't shield it in some way? The best you can do is keep it away from the pi, shield what needs shielding and make sure everything is filtered. As far as I understand it anyway.
[22:11] <plugwash> What do you mean by a "110V socket"? using a normal mains socket for an input would obviously be dangerous
[22:12] <IT_Sean> and against about every wiring code & regulation on the books
[22:12] <rigid> good PSUs are all shielded
[22:12] <plugwash> there are plenty of PSUs out there with IEC inlets though I dunno how hard it is to find one with both 5V and 12V outputs
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[22:12] <rigid> and not using a switching PSU would waste lots of energy i suppose
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[22:12] <mpmc> Github is going at a snail pace today =/
[22:12] <IT_Sean> Parts of it are down, or were earlier, mpmc
[22:12] <funkster> correct, input as in wall socket -> PSU. i need to power a printer device on the inside of the box as well as the rpi and two 120MM fans.
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[22:12] <knob> mpmc, it was down earlier
[22:13] <rigid> mpmc: they do server maintenance stuff
[22:13] <mpmc> I'm getting 550KiB/s =/ It's usually at a min double that =/
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[22:13] <funkster> as of now i have everything working, but.. i have a PS for 120MM fans, a PS for raspbeery pi, and an adapeter for the printer power cord
[22:16] <funkster> too many cables, its a mess.
[22:17] <plugwash> hmm, so does the printer use mains directly? does it have it's own power brick? (if so what voltage)?
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[22:19] <shiftplusone> If you want someone to design an all in one board from scratch, this might not be the best place to ask. If you're interested in other, cheaper ways of doing it then it may be.
[22:20] <funkster> plugwash: for the print, its just a power cord, with no "brick" attached to it. so i guess its internal t printer the PS
[22:20] <plugwash> and the printer is going "inside" your device?
[22:20] <funkster> plugwash: yes, inside is: printer, RPi, and two fans.
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[22:21] <plugwash> One option could be to use an "open frame" style power supply which has everything on screw terminals, then you would fit your own cables from that to the Pi, the fans, the printer and the mains inlet on the outside of the box
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[22:22] <plugwash> I don't think you are going to be able to avoid having custom mains wiring in the box and meet your goals,
[22:22] <pksato> printer on box? funkster that you inventing? :)
[22:23] <funkster> plugwash: im not trying to avoid, im just looking at where i can get this work done =D
[22:23] <funkster> pksato: not sure what you mean?
[22:23] <asaru> find a similar printer that takes dc and you are set
[22:24] <funkster> that is not an option.
[22:24] <funkster> hardware/software is built specifically for this printer.
[22:24] <asaru> well you could take it apart
[22:25] <funkster> ........
[22:25] <asaru> most consumer electronics use dc, i'd imagine it has a transformer inside you could bypass
[22:25] <funkster> its a $5,000 printer. no sir. lol
[22:25] <asaru> i see
[22:26] * plugwash is just not sure where to suggest asking, the actual wiring is trivial but i'm not sure what the certification requirements are for wiring up a PSU inside your device to connections on the outside in a production device
[22:26] <funkster> right.. me either =(
[22:26] <mpmc> I can see it going BOOM ;)
[22:27] <funkster> if i have an wall outlet that has USB power, the USB powering isnt ideal with what RPi would like, (i think) what are my options?
[22:27] <asaru> okay then i would just use a regular ac input in your box
[22:27] <asaru> take that inside, power your printer, and a transformer for everything else
[22:27] <johnc-> anybody back the udoo kickstarter?
[22:28] * plugwash would have done if they had put more ram on the thing
[22:28] <asaru> basically put the transformer for the pi/fans inside the box
[22:29] <funkster> asaru: im already doing that basically.
[22:29] <pksato> ac power panel/bus?
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[22:30] <asaru> i made a little game console thingie, takes 12v power to the unit and powers pi and a pair of 9v speakers and a 12v screen
[22:30] <asaru> it would be easy to make it take ac to the unit and have that happen inside
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[22:31] <asaru> i mean it would look just as nice from a consumer standpoint
[22:32] <funkster> asaru: do you know of one transformer for pi and fans?
[22:34] <asaru> well you would need to step down the voltage as necessary
[22:34] <asaru> figure out what amperage you need for the pi and the fans
[22:35] <asaru> when i didnt have my 9v speakers included yet, i was using an lm7805 to step down from 12v supply (for the screen) to 5v for the pi
[22:36] <asaru> so get a 12v transformer, power the fans from that and step down to 5v for the pi
[22:36] <asaru> get a nice switching board though for that
[22:37] <shiftplusone> Or use 1 transformer with two taps.
[22:37] <Encrypt> What am I reading? Adding fans to the Pi?
[22:38] <asaru> something like this
[22:38] <asaru> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supply-12V-5V-AC-Adapter-For-HARD-DISK-Drive-Power-HD23L-/111155203009
[22:38] <asaru> takes ac from mains and sends 12v and 5v seperately
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[22:40] <funkster> asaru: thats what i have
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[22:40] <funkster> its just too much wires in the box
[22:40] <funkster> thats why im looking to have something custom made, and made properly.
[22:41] <pksato> Tesla can solve the problem of wires. :)
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[22:41] <shiftplusone> IMHO, production power supply design is not for amateurs. Keep looking for a professional firm to help you out, but expect a big price tag.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[22:43] <funkster> im fully aware, i cam in asking if anyone knew of such companies or a way tp find them.
[22:43] <funkster> im not in here to do this myself =D
[22:43] <pksato> Local yellow pages.
[22:43] <IT_Sean> Google
[22:43] <shiftplusone> This is a bit of a DIY channel with a hacker mentality, so I am not sure you'll get much help. Google will be more helpful.
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[22:44] <asaru> or something from here
[22:44] <asaru> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?pv87=3&pv1525=62&pv1526=17&FV=fff40042%2Cfff80229&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25
[22:45] <funkster> ok
[22:45] <shiftplusone> I'd use ATX, to be honest.
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[22:47] <shiftplusone> You'll end up paying someone to redesign an ATX supply, with less outputs.
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[22:48] <shiftplusone> and ATX supplies are ridiculously cheap, thanks to economies of scale and have been very well tested over the years.
[22:48] <pksato> wires, just organize. Planes have a kilometer of cables, and you not see anything.
[22:49] <shiftplusone> Sure, but they have a whole plane to hide those wires in >.>
[22:49] <funkster> ^
[22:49] <funkster> the enclosure is significantly larger due to the extra power supply/cables.
[22:50] <funkster> shiftplusone: well, im not aware how i can power a printer with an ATX power supply easily and safely so i will have to hire someone regardless.
[22:50] <pksato> printer dont have own psu?
[22:50] <shiftplusone> pksato, built into the printer.
[22:51] <funkster> printer needs to be powered.
[22:51] <pksato> so, what is the problem?
[22:51] <funkster> ....
[22:51] <Burninate> Question for those of you who put together RPi media center PCs: What other devices were you, or are you, tempted by for that application? Why?
[22:52] <shiftplusone> funkster, I would imagine that the printer would get power directly from the mains and that would split off to an ATX supply input.
[22:52] <pksato> low power ATX psu are cheap, and have a AC in and some cases AC out.
[22:52] <opcode> Burninate: you can put together a media centre out of just about anything that can decode video at acceptable rate/resolution
[22:52] <funkster> shiftplusone: that make sense, yes.
[22:52] <shiftplusone> Burninate, you phrase that like an exam question >_<
[22:52] <opcode> not really a well-posed question
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[22:53] <Burninate> A homebuilt media center PC is more like $200-$300.
[22:53] <pksato> And, a AC bus can be build inside a case/box.
[22:53] <a7x> is there any tangible difference using a high quality class 10 sd, instead of a cheap one?
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[22:53] <pksato> Like most industrial equipment.
[22:53] <shiftplusone> a7x, quality and price don't necessarily equate when it comes to sd cards.
[22:54] <shiftplusone> It's a bit of a gamble.
[22:54] <opcode> Burninate: sounds like you answered your own question
[22:54] <Burninate> For "a homebuilt media center PC".
[22:54] <opcode> .. ok
[22:54] <Burninate> But not for any other devices $50-$150, which I have failed so far to dismiss.
[22:55] <a7x> shiftplusone, it's the class a good way to choose?
[22:55] <opcode> if you're looking for one compelling reason to discount everything else
[22:55] <Burninate> I'm asking someone who surveyed the field and decided on an RPi: what was the runner up?
[22:55] <opcode> then you're not going to be successful
[22:55] <opcode> there are a lot of not-very-differentiated products competing in the same market segment nowadays
[22:55] <a7x> is the bus a bottleneck?
[22:55] <opcode> ultimately it will come down to personal preference
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[22:55] <Tachyon`> the USB is a bottleneck
[22:55] <Tachyon`> as it and the ethernet share one port internally
[22:56] <shiftplusone> a7x, in many cases, class 10 may be less reliable than class 4 on a pi, unfortunately. Take a look at elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[22:56] <a7x> ok
[22:56] <Burninate> opcode: This is depressing.
[22:56] <a7x> thank you
[22:56] <opcode> Burninate: why? just pick one
[22:56] <opcode> it's less than 50 bucks
[22:56] <opcode> every device has pros and cons
[22:57] <opcode> just pick one whose cons don't bother you so much
[22:57] <Burninate> Will RPi do the h.263 (mpeg-4) codec associated with xvid files?
[22:57] <Tachyon`> if money is no object the udoo is quite interesting looking
[22:57] <Burninate> assuming I feed it the MPEG-2 codec license
[22:58] <Tachyon`> it does h264 already
[22:58] <Tachyon`> the mpeg2 license as the name suggests is for mpeg2 (and mpeg1)
[22:58] <Burninate> Money is mostly the object - I don't want to buy something that won't reliably play my library of videos, because I don't want to waste money.
[22:59] <Burninate> right.
[22:59] <Burninate> How about the Xvid codec?
[22:59] <asaru> in my experience the pi is a fine media center, if you have a reliable power supply
[22:59] <Tachyon`> it plays almost all my divx/xvid etc. vide
[22:59] <asaru> the menus in xbmc can be a bit laggy at times
[22:59] <Tachyon`> about 3TB of it
[22:59] <Tachyon`> with only a few things (old DS9) failing to play
[22:59] <asaru> with the mpeg2 license i have yet to come across a video file mine wont play
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[23:00] <opcode> isn't h.263 considered legacy nowadays
[23:00] <Tachyon`> if anything has multiple audio channels/subtitles you can persuade those to play too
[23:00] <Burninate> Including videos marked with XVID?
[23:00] <opcode> i'd imagine anything that plays 264 will also play 263
[23:00] <Tachyon`> yes, heh, it plays xvids
[23:00] <Burninate> You'd imagine the same thing about MPEG-2, and you'd be wrong.
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[23:01] <Tachyon`> what it doesn't seem to play is old videos encoded with divx 3.11
[23:01] <Tachyon`> IE: my old ds9
[23:01] <opcode> well, the pi doesn't have hardware for xvid that i'm aware of
[23:01] <opcode> but you can easily convert to mpeg4
[23:01] <Tachyon`> xvid is just mpeg4
[23:01] <Burninate> the GPU in the RPi was described to me as curiously powerful but crippled by license problems
[23:01] <Tachyon`> it's supported
[23:01] <opcode> err
[23:01] <opcode> mpeg2
[23:02] <Burninate> "Yeah, it can do $codec X, but we don't plan on getting a license for $codec X"
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[23:02] <Tachyon`> it plays 1080p content nicely
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[23:02] <Tachyon`> including the new remasters of TNG which are not small
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[23:03] <Burninate> opcode: Let's just say I can't easily convert to H.264 or MPEG-2.
[23:03] <Burninate> opcode: and leave it at that.
[23:04] <Burninate> opcode: I'm not spending hours time sitting in front of Handbrake to watch things in the living room.
[23:04] <Tachyon`> it will play xvid/divx as is
[23:04] <Tachyon`> without any additional licenses
[23:04] <Burninate> Tried it. Not interested.
[23:04] <Burninate> Thank you Tachyon`.
[23:05] <opcode> you'll have to get a new license key, then
[23:05] <Burninate> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=20486
[23:05] <Tachyon`> if you run raspbmc and your tv supports HDMI-CEC you can even control it with the TV remote
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[23:09] <a7x> okay, given the benchmarks i guess i'll take the sandisk extreme 16GB
[23:09] <Tachyon`> I use a sandisk ultra and it works quirte nicely althoguh sandisk cards seem a bit variable even within the same family
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[23:11] <Marvin-RPi> I own a couple of RPI's. Always used Platinum 8gb SD's. never had any problems for 1,5 year now
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[23:12] <rikkib> I have a Transcend 8GB C10 card that boots on two other RPi yet does not work on the latest RPi I bought... Indicating some production variation in the RPi.
[23:13] <shiftplusone> rikkib, no overclocking of any kind?
[23:13] <rikkib> No
[23:13] * nmpro loves some Transcend ..
[23:13] <Burninate> "XBMC traditionally has decoded via ffmpeg using software decoding. In the past few years since moving to multiple platforms we have tried to leverage hardware decoders if it’s possible and available, like VDPAU, VAAPI, OpenMax, etc. XBMC will utilize whatever you have to do decoding. If it’s a hardware decoder that supports Part3 and Part 10 (ASP or AVC, or xvid vs h.264) XBMC will utilize it. If not, it will attempt
[23:13] <Burninate> it to do it with software.
[23:13] <Burninate> R-Pi doesn’t have support for MPEG4 ASP/Part 3 in their hardware decoder, so XBMC will fall back to software decoding in those instances."
[23:13] <Burninate> - XBMC dev presumably
[23:14] <Burninate> early 2012
[23:14] <shiftplusone> rikkib, odd
[23:14] <rikkib> Overclocking is not a consideration at boot time... The RPi concerns does not see the card.
[23:14] <Marvin-RPi> some Pi's can't be overclocked for some reason, probably the batch of CPU's are not that good
[23:15] <shiftplusone> rikkib, ah, good point. The class 10 I have fails to boot, but only after the kernel is loaded.
[23:15] <Marvin-RPi> i've also came across some issues of dodgy soldering on the SD-card holder
[23:16] <Marvin-RPi> one would think that has been tested in the factory before shipping
[23:17] <shiftplusone> Marvin-RPi, because there is a variation in what CPUs are capable of. Manufacturing of them is not a perfect process. You can make 1000 of the same CPU, then find the clock frequency at which each fails, half it, and sell them as different frequency CPUs, even though they are made from the same design files and the same batch.
[23:17] <rikkib> SD card start sequence is' well defined and I use sd cards in the STM32V boards I use so I have delved the depths of arm source code to over issues I had using little sd cards (2gb)
[23:17] <Marvin-RPi> I know, it depends on the die
[23:18] <rikkib> to oercome
[23:18] <rikkib> to overcome
[23:18] <Marvin-RPi> dye
[23:18] <Marvin-RPi> sorry ;-)
[23:18] <shiftplusone> I think die was right.
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[23:19] <shiftplusone> Unless you prefer your silicon colourful.
[23:19] <Marvin-RPi> really, allight. looked a bit odd to me when i read it afterwards. I'm Dutch, forgive my ingorance
[23:19] <rikkib> Client destroyed a RPI last week... It had a fixing issue (Fell off) and yanked the usb cable in the inside of the usb connecter out.
[23:20] * shiftplusone grumbles about the ignorant Dutch =P
[23:20] <Marvin-RPi> hahahaha
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[23:52] * paeroa68 (~paeroa68@182-239-197-60.ip.adam.com.au) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:53] * intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:54] * pfoo (~pfoo@unaffiliated/pfoo) Quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.)
[23:54] * paeroa68 (~paeroa68@182-239-197-60.ip.adam.com.au) Quit (Client Quit)
[23:54] * Thra11 (~Thra11@87.113.58.201) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[23:55] * pfoo (~pfoo@unaffiliated/pfoo) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:58] * imark (~mark@unaffiliated/imark) Quit (Quit: Leaving)

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