#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-09-20

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[0:10] <skrator> Hi guys, I'm back
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[0:11] * ozzzy alerts DHS
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[0:11] <skrator> I spoke to my girlfriend, and she actually liked the 4 pi cluster idea! LOL
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[0:14] <LordThumper> skrator: Image the raw performance!
[0:14] <LordThumper> Imagine*
[0:15] * Sonny_Jim imagines
[0:15] <Sonny_Jim> I then imagine spending the money on a comparable x86 setup
[0:15] <LordThumper> Sonny_Jim: Running the build again, this time with logging enabled... let's see how it goes
[0:16] <Sonny_Jim> I'm pretty sure there would of been a file with the error in it
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[0:16] <Sonny_Jim> But it's been literally years since I've bothered doing a kernel compile, 2.6 days at least
[0:16] <plugwash> Sonny_Jim, mmm, even a single celeron is going to blow a cluster of 4 pis out of the water
[0:16] <plugwash> (modern celeron that is)
[0:17] <LordThumper> good old 2.6
[0:17] <Sonny_Jim> Even better, buy 2nd hand CPUs, it's not like they get slower with age
[0:17] <Sonny_Jim> Even more bangs per buck
[0:17] <Sonny_Jim> I love the Pi, but there are some things it's good at
[0:18] <plugwash> Or if you want to stay in the arm world you can pick up a nice wandboard quad or odriod u2 for the kind of money you would spend on four Pis
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[0:19] <edwardthefma> hey all
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[0:20] <skrator> I didn't intend to get cpu power by connecting 4 pi
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[0:20] <skrator> the point was to create some distributed system
[0:21] <skrator> for our 'final exam'
[0:22] <skrator> Here in Brazil at least (I don't know how it works elsewhere), we gotta make a paper in order to get degree on college
[0:23] <skrator> we could use the pi for some distributed system with portable properties
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[0:24] <LordThumper> Sonny_Jim: This should be it... http://pastebin.com/swvgFvqz
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[0:25] <LordThumper> Seems to be an error in line 651:
[0:25] <LordThumper> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `fs/ext4/resize.o', needed by `fs/ext4/ext4.o'.
[0:25] <skrator> So... back to reality, I wanna buy a raspberry pi to learn more about linux, what model should I look for?
[0:26] <sney> model B seems to be the one everyone has
[0:26] <LordThumper> Model B rev 2 (512MB RAM)
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[0:26] <pksato> model B. but, to learn about Linux, dont need to buy anything.
[0:29] <skrator> pksato: I know that, but I'm looking for a reason to buy a pi just to fool around and perhaps do some cool stuff with it :)
[0:29] <PhotoJim> model B
[0:29] <PhotoJim> wired Ethernet
[0:29] <PhotoJim> double the RAM
[0:30] <Sonny_Jim> LordThumper: Did you download the kernel sources as a zip or from github?
[0:31] <LordThumper> Sonny_Jim: As a zip, I am cloning directly from github atm
[0:31] <Sonny_Jim> That will probably work
[0:31] <LordThumper> Hope so
[0:31] <Sonny_Jim> The first hit on google with that error was due to using a zip rather than github
[0:32] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe some strange line ending issue, who knows
[0:32] <LordThumper> yes, i actually just read that page
[0:32] <LordThumper> maybe
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[0:34] <LordThumper> well in the meantime, thanks for your help Sonny_Jim
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[0:34] <Sonny_Jim> no worries
[0:34] <Sonny_Jim> I got to go to bed
[0:34] <LordThumper> laters
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[0:41] <edwardthefma> hey all
[0:41] <edwardthefma> who is online
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[0:42] <edwardthefma> :(
[0:42] <shiftplusone> edwardthefma, hey
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[0:44] <LordThumper> hello
[0:45] <edwardthefma> how many gpio pin on a pi with a gertbord can be used for relays
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[0:46] <pksato> how many you need?
[0:46] <edwardthefma> well as many as i can get
[0:46] <edwardthefma> the maxumum
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[0:47] <pksato> 12 is ok?
[0:47] <edwardthefma> ya
[0:47] <pksato> or 2048?
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[0:48] <edwardthefma> well im redoing lights for my local skating rink
[0:48] <edwardthefma> the light system is about do die and it was made in the late 80s
[0:49] <manitou> hmhm driving me crazy
[0:49] <edwardthefma> i need at least 20
[0:49] <pksato> ok, direct 12. Indireect is indefined.
[0:49] <pksato> indefinite
[0:50] <edwardthefma> i know i can do 8 without the gert
[0:51] <edwardthefma> but the more lights i can run the better :)
[0:51] <ShorTie> you could get 32 preaty easily with a couple MCP23017 and stuff
[0:52] <edwardthefma> kool
[0:53] <edwardthefma> ok what is stuff
[0:53] <pksato> have a lots way to expand numbers of relays.
[0:53] <plugwash> Lets be clear before chips get fried, you can't generally drive relays direct off logic, I presume by "direct" pksato means "not via an IO expander or similar" and by "indirect" he means "via an IO expander or similar". Either way you will still need transistors or similar to actually drive the relays.
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[0:54] <edwardthefma> ok u got over my head
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[0:55] <edwardthefma> i was going to use a bunch of 8 channel relay bords
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[0:55] <pksato> yes, direct mean, using pins on getobard and drive to driver relay,
[0:55] <plugwash> Do you have a link for the boards you were planning to use
[0:55] <edwardthefma> yes direct
[0:56] <ShorTie> they just may need an upgrade too ...
[0:56] <edwardthefma> 1 sec
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[0:57] <ShorTie> what amperage are the lighting circuits ??
[0:57] <pksato> if use bare RPi, and after disabled some stuff, you have 17pins to relays.
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[0:57] <edwardthefma> http://www.sainsmart.com/8-channel-5v-solid-state-relay-module-board-omron-ssr-4-pic-arm-avr-dsp-arduino.html
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[0:58] <ShorTie> Load current: 0.1 to 2 AMP. don't think thet will work
[0:58] <edwardthefma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKFrWDQY0rw
[0:58] <ozzzy> buffer the relays
[0:59] <edwardthefma> i found it used hear
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[1:00] <ShorTie> it might be easier to get a relay board at the correct amperage though
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[1:00] <edwardthefma> ill look
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[1:01] <edwardthefma> what am i looking for
[1:01] <ozzzy> http://www.winfordeng.com/products/rly104.php
[1:02] <ShorTie> if it was me i would start with looking at the breakers and see what amperage they are, and then go from there
[1:02] <pksato> sainsmart have lots os relay modules on related panel
[1:03] <edwardthefma> well i plannd on getting a dc adaptior
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[1:03] <ShorTie> 15a still might be a little small
[1:03] <edwardthefma> and plugging it to a wallmount
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[1:05] <edwardthefma> well i got to find out what ill need to the most pins
[1:05] <pksato> relay for high power are know as contactor
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[1:06] <ShorTie> ya, like on my 50a light circuits
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[1:08] <edwardthefma> wholy shit
[1:08] <edwardthefma> that relaybord u showed me is expensive
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[1:12] <ShorTie> you really need to go see what is in the breaker box, # of circuits are not as the amperage of each circuit, to be safe
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[1:12] <edwardthefma> ok
[1:13] <edwardthefma> well i dont know that
[1:16] <edwardthefma> i wansent planning on intagrating the board into the breker box
[1:18] <ShorTie> it would most likely not be in it, but a box beside it
[1:19] <edwardthefma> ohh the voltige
[1:19] <ShorTie> for a skating ring, to be safe
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[1:20] <ShorTie> voltage is not as critical as amperage
[1:20] <edwardthefma> sorry i got most my shit backwerds
[1:20] <edwardthefma> i almost failed shopclass
[1:21] <edwardthefma> tell me what to look for
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[1:21] <ShorTie> the little numbers that are normally printed on the handle
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[1:22] <edwardthefma> ok ill go find that out tommarow
[1:23] <edwardthefma> thay are only open 2 days outof the week
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[1:23] <ShorTie> voltage and # might be good info too ...
[1:24] <edwardthefma> ill take a photo with my phone
[1:24] <ShorTie> like if there are 1, 2 or 3 breaker handles tied together
[1:24] <edwardthefma> i would assume its 1
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[1:25] <ShorTie> skating ring might use 277v 3-phase
[1:25] <edwardthefma> :)
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[1:30] <edwardthefma> Xd this is gonna be awsome
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[1:59] <mattwj2002> well guys
[1:59] <mattwj2002> I am happy and sad at the same time
[1:59] <mattwj2002> I am happy because I got a second raspberrypi :D
[1:59] <mattwj2002> I am sad because it takes 72 hours to get my codecs :(
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[2:08] <mattwj2002> wow no one here
[2:08] <mattwj2002> :(
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[2:16] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys quick question can i use my raspberry pi for a raspbmc and for a torrent downloader or it cannot really do two main things @ once?
[2:17] <mattwj2002> is that linux torrents? :P
[2:17] <Psil0Cybin> of course
[2:17] <mattwj2002> got ya ;)
[2:18] <mattwj2002> Psil0Cybin: it should be able to download while running raspbmc
[2:18] <mattwj2002> I would think
[2:18] <Psil0Cybin> oh nice!
[2:18] <Psil0Cybin> well i got the one with 512mb
[2:18] <Psil0Cybin> so i hope so
[2:18] <PhotoJim> if you want to pin the bandwidth and play HD videos simultaneously, maybe not.
[2:18] <mattwj2002> right but if you just want to download and play around it should be okay
[2:18] <mattwj2002> don't you think PhotoJim?
[2:19] <mattwj2002> I want my codecs *tear*
[2:19] <Psil0Cybin> fine but im guessing my main question is can i multitask a xbmc server on the pi with something else in the background
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[2:19] <Psil0Cybin> maybe like
[2:19] <Psil0Cybin> irc
[2:19] <Psil0Cybin> ?
[2:19] <Psil0Cybin> through SSH
[2:20] <maxinux> Psil0Cybin: of course
[2:20] <maxinux> 'screen' is one method...
[2:20] <maxinux> its just linux
[2:21] <mattwj2002> I have something to say...
[2:21] <mattwj2002> I have looked at other embedded computer boards
[2:22] <mattwj2002> some have better hardware and what not (usually not a better price)
[2:22] <mattwj2002> but they are missing something....the community support :)
[2:23] <Psil0Cybin> what is the command or package to view all the resources being used and get the little graph on the top left
[2:23] <Psil0Cybin> if im going to be using screen ;)
[2:23] <mattwj2002> graph?
[2:23] <mattwj2002> there is always top
[2:23] <mattwj2002> no graphics though
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[2:25] <Psil0Cybin> i want to have something like this mattwj2002
[2:25] <Psil0Cybin> http://klaxa.eu/no_network_spikes.png
[2:25] <Psil0Cybin> top right
[2:25] <Psil0Cybin> of his terminals
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[2:25] <mattwj2002> no idea
[2:25] <Psil0Cybin> darn i forgot i used to remember
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[2:28] <SSilver2k2> lo all
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[2:32] <Psil0Cybin> htop
[2:32] <Psil0Cybin> now i remember
[2:32] <Psil0Cybin> mattwj2002:
[2:32] <Psil0Cybin> its called htop
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[2:35] <mattwj2002> htop?
[2:35] <mattwj2002> hmm I have never heard of it
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[2:36] <PhotoJim> htop is a fancy top that I like
[2:36] <mattwj2002> cool
[2:36] <mattwj2002> I have used atop before
[2:36] <PhotoJim> bottom right screen
[2:36] <atouk> wasn't htop the third king of egypt?
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[2:59] <Prime326> I'm having a weird issue I can't resolve. I run my pi headlessly via SSH, but whenever I download something - whether it be package updates or just using wget - SSH will die and refuse to reconnect
[3:00] <Prime326> the only way to fix it is a hard reset
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[3:01] <Prime326> My systemd journal doesn't have any info that could clue me in to what's happening, so I don' know if this is a networking error or a software error, what else could I check to help narrow this down?
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[3:36] <diakonos> Hello raspi - I'm hoping someone can suggest a good module to add to the pi that will allow me to monitor a 4 - 20 milliamp output. Thanks in advance!
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[3:54] <scottstamp> Guys, I have a question that I can't seem to find an example of. I have a PCB with tact switches, normally open. Can I replace the leads to the switches with a GPIO pin and ground? The board itself is running on 3.3v.
[3:54] <scottstamp> I can do it with an Arduino, I figure it'd be the same concept.
[3:55] <scottstamp> The board is regulated 3.3v from the raspi's output itself so I'm not worried about spikes.
[3:58] <pksato> ?
[4:00] <pksato> when press, switches out goes do 3v3 or 0v?
[4:00] <scottstamp> pksato: I'm not sure I understand your English. The switch just grounds one lead to another.
[4:01] <scottstamp> I want to replace the switch with a raspi.
[4:01] <pksato> ah.
[4:01] <scottstamp> It's basically a two-button remote control.
[4:01] <pksato> best way is to connect a npn transistor parallel to switch.
[4:02] <pksato> emitter do gnd, coletor to other lead. and a resitor from base to RPi gpio.
[4:02] <scottstamp> I don't have any components around. Can the raspi do it without a transistor?
[4:03] <shiftplusone> Do you have a schematic?
[4:03] <scottstamp> Like with my arduino I just set the pin to output and pull it high to simulate a button press
[4:03] <scottstamp> Nah, I'm just hacking around with some parts I had on hand.
[4:04] <pksato> Can do with out transitor, but, it can burn RPi.
[4:05] <shiftplusone> as long as you're not applying 5v to the pin in any way and there is no chance of your device forcing the gpio pin to sink/source current a large current, you should be fine. I am not sure though, I'd need to see a schematic.
[4:05] <scottstamp> Like I said, my Raspi is powering the board I'll be interfacing with, so it should be safe.
[4:05] <shiftplusone> I am off
[4:05] <scottstamp> No caps or active components on my board at all.
[4:05] <scottstamp> Besides a micro
[4:07] <scottstamp> Lol, it's actually a set of three RF-controlled LED lights for a kitchen cabinet, they came pre-packaged, but they eat batteries. So I hooked one up to a wall wart, now I'm trying to turn it into a phone-controlled nightlight.
[4:07] <scottstamp> I'm more of a programmer than an engineer to be honest.
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[4:16] <rigid> scottstamp: then use niftyled ;)
[4:17] <rigid> </ad>
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[4:22] <scottstamp> rigid, all I need is GPIO. Lol.
[4:22] <scottstamp> All my controller functionality is build into this hardware I'm scrapping.
[4:22] <scottstamp> **built
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[4:27] <nerdboy> ahoy
[4:28] <steve_rox> got fun?
[4:29] <nerdboy> during a work week?
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[4:34] <steve_rox> hdd is clunking on this pc
[4:34] <steve_rox> fun times
[4:36] <scottstamp> record it and make awesome hard drive crash dubstep
[4:37] <steve_rox> im still useing it at moment
[4:37] <scottstamp> Awh.
[4:37] <scottstamp> I went SSD actually, I don't have many old HDDs.
[4:37] <scottstamp> I have about 4TB of space in this rig with HDDs and a 120GB SSD.
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[4:39] <mukti> Is there a way to use the mail command to send email to remote domains (eg. gmail.com) from a Pi running raspbian?
[4:39] <mukti> I have nagios3 running on it, but it isn't sending notificaitons because of this
[4:40] <steve_rox> the os is locking up a lot which is probly why im timeing out
[4:40] <steve_rox> Cannot open volume for direct access.
[4:40] <pksato> mukti: need some smtp relay.
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[4:40] <steve_rox> im running out of functional IDE based hdd's
[4:40] <steve_rox> :-D
[4:41] <nerdboy> don't forget to arrr today... or we'll have to find a yardarm and a keel...
[4:41] <pksato> like esmtp or ssmtp
[4:42] <mukti> pksato: thanks
[4:42] <nerdboy> courier vs. ssmtp? the latter is much simpler/smaller
[4:43] <pksato> or a complete \MTA, like exim, postfix, etc
[4:44] * nerdboy uses postfix on the gateway, courier on the backend, and ssmtp on misc clients
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[4:59] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys if i enable ssh keys on a machine and then try to login on the actual machine would it keep giving me login incorrect? if i set so you cannot login with password on ssh and only through keys
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[5:51] <ubercolin> hello - was wondering if anyone had any advice as to how to troubleshoot why wget and curl cannot connect to any servers (such as mirrordirector.raspbian.org)
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[5:51] <Xark> Psil0Cybin: I believe so.
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[5:52] <Xark> ubercolin: "any servers"? Sometimes "fancy" URLs that try to point to a closeby mirror fail with simple URL downloaders.
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[5:53] <Xark> Psil0Cybin: Wait, if you are trying on USB keyboard, I don't believe SSHD settings affect that.
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[5:55] <Bozza> Guys has anyone tried going into AP mode with 8192cu??!
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[5:56] <cyphernaut> Anyone had any experience using arkos?
[5:56] <cyphernaut> Link: arkos.io
[5:56] <ubercolin> Xark - yes, it seems to be any address
[5:56] <Xark> ubercolin: Does (e.g.) ping someserver.com work?
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[5:56] <ubercolin> yes, ping works
[5:56] <Bozza> Guys is it possible to get AP mode with 8192cu? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=24951
[5:57] <Xark> ubercolin: What error does wget give?
[5:57] <Xark> ubercolin: (maybe use a pastebin?)
[5:57] <ubercolin> I get a Connection timed out error
[5:58] <Bozza> Can anyone with 8192cu check if AP mode works?? Pretty please
[5:58] <Xark> ubercolin: Hmm, interesting. How about "telnet someserver.com 80"?
[5:58] <ubercolin> one odd thing with wget is if I just do it straight, it seems to try to use ipv6 which gives me a different error
[5:58] <Xark> ubercolin: Straight?
[5:59] <ubercolin> Xark - straight as without any modifiers to the command. if I do 'wget -4' it behaves a bit better but gives me the connection timed out error
[5:59] <Xark> ubercolin: I see. What about the telnet to http port?
[5:59] <ubercolin> Xark - and no telnet installed (this all came from trying this on a newly set up raspberry pi and doing apt-get)
[6:00] <Xark> ubercolin: What? telnet should be a default app? apt-get it.
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[6:00] <sney> "default" is a pretty blurry word when everyone and their dog is distributing a custom image
[6:01] <ubercolin> that's the catch, I can't use apt-get because it can't connect to mirrordirector
[6:01] <Xark> sney: Sure. However, along with "cat" and "ping" telnet is a pretty basic command (but I can see not as useful as it used to be).
[6:01] <Xark> ubercolin: OK then.
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[6:08] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys if i used my raspbian to hot a webserver so i installed nginx, php5, mysql but i decided i dont really need that stuff anymore whats the best way to uninstall all those and to get rid of configure files
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[6:13] <funkster> apt-get remove pkg-name
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[6:33] <Bozza> Guys, 8192cu and AP Mode
[6:33] <Bozza> Does it still not work?!
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[6:37] <Bozza> Anybody here ?
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[7:43] <DuncanNZ> Hi, I have a fresh install of Raspbian on my Pi and am having trouble streaming raspi webcam to my computer. If I run nc -l -p 5001 | mplayer -cache 1024 -fps 31 - on my computer then raspivid -t -1 -o - | nc duncan 5001 on the pi, the pi flickers to video then back, and the computer shows the following error:
[7:43] <DuncanNZ> libavformat version 53.21.1 (external)
[7:43] <DuncanNZ> Mismatching header version 53.19.0
[7:44] <DuncanNZ> And when I do a apt-get upgrade on the pi I get packages held back regarding libraspberrypi* packages, so I apt-get install libraspberrypi* and get messages about unmet dependencies
[7:45] <DuncanNZ> but it's a clean install :(
[7:47] <DuncanNZ> sorry for the flooding, but I'll also give the error detail: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libraspberrypi0 : Depends: raspberrypi-bootloader (= 1.20130902-1) but 1.20130534-1 is to be installed. Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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[7:53] <Bozza> Anybody tried powering they're pi with a solar charger?
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[8:14] <nerdboy> Bozza: no, but i've used a couple of different battery setups
[8:16] <nerdboy> four 2600 mAhr AA batteries only goes for about an hour...
[8:16] <Bozza> Ouch
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[8:16] <Bozza> I was thinking of a setup that charges the batteries and keeps the pi alive during the night
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[8:21] <jda2000> What is the most likely cause of failure if I follow these instructions: "Format an SD card with a single FAT32 (MS-DOS or Windows formatted) partition and copy the installer files from this zip file onto the top level directory." Even on a Windows XP machine and the resulting SD card won't boot the RPi?
[8:23] <jda2000> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[8:23] <jda2000> /dev/sdb1 39 124159 62060+ b W95 FAT32
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[8:24] <jda2000> ls /media/RASPBOOT/
[8:24] <jda2000> bootcode.bin cmdline.txt kernel.img loader.bin README.txt start.elf
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[8:25] <jda2000> /dev/sdb1 60M 16M 45M 26% /media/RASPBOOT
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[8:26] <jda2000> That is to say my HDMI connected screen stays blank.
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[8:45] <DuncanNZ> Hi, I have a fresh install of Raspbian on my Pi and am having trouble streaming raspi webcam to my computer. If I run nc -l -p 5001 | mplayer -cache 1024 -fps 31 - on my computer then raspivid -t -1 -o - | nc duncan 5001 on the pi, the pi flickers to video then back, and the computer shows the following error: libavformat version 53.21.1 (external) Mismatching header version 53.19.0. So I tried upgrading the Pi's packages and I get "package
[8:45] <DuncanNZ> s held back" regarding packages starting with "libraspberrypi" so I did sudo apt-get install libraspberrypi* and get messages about unmet dependencies: libraspberrypi0 : Depends: raspberrypi-bootloader (= 1.20130902-1) but 1.20130534-1 is to be installed. Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Any ideas? It's a clean install of Raspbian.
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[9:04] <skrator> I'm looking to buy my first pi, I see that there are versions with 3 heat sinks, are those heat sinks necessaries?
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[9:07] <ParkerR> skrator, no, not really
[9:08] <skrator> ParkerR: thanks
[9:08] <xz81> Hi someone using the Raspberry with OpenSprinkler? <-- irrigation programmer
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[9:12] <skrator> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-2PCS-84X48-for-Nokia-5110-LCD-Module-for-arduino-for-raspberry-pi/1111837677.html
[9:13] <skrator> I'm not sure if it is supposed to work along with pi, the title says it does, but also says it's a nokia display
[9:13] <scottstamp> skrator the Nokia displays are really easy to drive, I guess the pi can support it with whatever pins it needs.
[9:14] <skrator> scottstamp: hmm, thanks for your help
[9:14] <scottstamp> no problem.
[9:14] <scottstamp> But if you want one for a project, get a kit.
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[9:15] <scottstamp> I hate to promote, but http://www.adafruit.com/category/105_160 has some nice display boards
[9:15] <skrator> I actually have no purpose in mind so far, I just to fool around
[9:15] <scottstamp> Ah. Fair enough.
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[9:15] <scottstamp> Well yeah those LCDs require very little external logic, that's why they're popular.
[9:15] <scottstamp> I think an ATtiny can run one.
[9:15] <scottstamp> You'd need to loop a buffer, no i/o, but it'd work
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[9:17] <skrator> where can I find some lessons about this? I mean, I'm noob at electronics, but I can program on c/java like languages
[9:17] <skrator> I have no idea what do you mean by 'loop a buffer'
[9:17] <scottstamp> Honestly I have no idea. I was just an EE geek for a while.
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[9:18] <scottstamp> Well you couldn't feed a video signal INTO the ATtiny, there aren't enough pins on that microcontroller
[9:18] <scottstamp> so you'd need to program a little video, and loop it
[9:18] <scottstamp> the "buffer" is the space you have on the microcontroller in this case.
[9:18] <skrator> oh, got it
[9:19] <scottstamp> It's like how an Arduino can run VGA displays
[9:19] <skrator> I'm thinking about getting those nokia displays
[9:19] <scottstamp> If you can find a good breakout adaptor and you have the parts I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun.
[9:19] <scottstamp> or magic smoke
[9:19] <scottstamp> either way, something cool will be learned.
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[9:21] <skrator> hahahahahahah
[9:22] <skrator> that probably can be found on any local electronics store, right?
[9:23] <skrator> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/12864-128x64-Dots-Graphic-Blue-Color-Backlight-LCD-Display-Module-for-arduino-raspberry-pi/896661666.html
[9:23] <skrator> this one seems promising too
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[9:25] <skrator> so, should I go for this one, or the nokia display? (the easier to set up, the better)
[9:27] <scottstamp> Hmm
[9:28] <scottstamp> skrator, I'd say the nokia one.
[9:29] <scottstamp> the nokia one looks like it has a header on it, probably to plug into the GPIO
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[9:30] <skrator> hmmm
[9:30] <skrator> It's hard to say by that picture
[9:30] <scottstamp> I agree.
[9:30] <scottstamp> But it looks more complete than the second one.
[9:31] <scottstamp> Just IMO
[9:31] <scottstamp> These could both totally not work
[9:31] <skrator> ahahahhhaha
[9:31] <skrator> :P
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[9:32] <skrator> http://funkboxing.com/wordpress/?p=1589
[9:33] <skrator> guess this one is the one
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[9:34] <scottstamp> that looks like a pain to plug in.
[9:34] <skrator> but its doable
[9:34] <scottstamp> Guess so mate! I've never tried.
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[9:37] <Jck_True> Just don't apply 5V to the backlight... The 4 background led's light up for like 5-10 seconds - The pop one by one... With a sad smoke and smell....
[9:38] <scottstamp> LOL
[9:38] <scottstamp> I'm working on a cellphone controlled RF nightlight
[9:39] <scottstamp> I wish I had a radio, I'd love to know what RF they're operating on, I could use it directly instead of driving a stupid remote.
[9:39] <skrator> Jck_True: thanks for the tip. Why is that so? Are they supposed to work on 3.3v?
[9:40] <scottstamp> They're supposed to work on cellphones.
[9:40] <scottstamp> :P
[9:40] <scottstamp> so yeah 3.3v
[9:40] <skrator> guess a voltage divisor will do the trick
[9:40] <Jck_True> scottstamp: Cellphone controlled RF nightlight?
[9:41] <scottstamp> The pi supports 3.3 natively
[9:41] <jda2000> so far, the best answer I can find on Google is that the sd card is not making proper contact in the Pi...
[9:41] <Bozza> Has anyone successfully gotten access point mode to work with 8192cu?
[9:41] <scottstamp> Jck_True, I had these weird RF-controlled lights for like under-the-counter lighting
[9:41] <scottstamp> so I hacked them to run off a wall wart and now I'm controlling them over RF from the pi
[9:41] <scottstamp> with a web interface on my phone
[9:41] <Jck_True> Haha
[9:41] <scottstamp> They eat AAA batteries in like two hours
[9:41] <scottstamp> but wallwarted they're bright as shit.
[9:42] <scottstamp> I might make it my alarm clock
[9:42] <Jck_True> And I cracked my broke my LCD panel the other night
[9:42] <Bozza> Has anyone successfully gotten access point mode to work with 8192cu?
[9:42] <Jck_True> and broke*
[9:42] <scottstamp> Ouch.
[9:42] <scottstamp> I need new monitors. x_X
[9:42] <Jck_True> My typos should be an indication I'm too stressed at work to be chatting
[9:42] <Jck_True> Better get back to it
[9:43] <scottstamp> lame! D:
[9:43] <Bozza> Does anybody have a wifi dongle that uses the 8192cu driver???
[9:43] <Bozza> Can anyone check?!
[9:43] <skrator> Bozza: sorry pal, I don't
[9:43] <scottstamp> Bozza I have a wifi dongle that does NOT have AP mode, I don't recall the driver though.
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[9:43] <scottstamp> It was some dirt cheap Ralink.
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[9:44] <Bozza> scottstamp: don't all wifi dongles support AP?
[9:44] <scottstamp> Bozza, apparently this one or it's drivers do not.
[9:44] <Bozza> Do you know which driver you use?
[9:44] <scottstamp> I usually use my Alfa through a powered hub and overclocked.
[9:44] <scottstamp> No, I don't, not off hand. :(
[9:44] <scottstamp> I'm not sure where my dongle is right now.
[9:44] <Bozza> Fair enough
[9:45] <scottstamp> Overclocked Alfas vs. Uni campus wifi
[9:45] <scottstamp> heh.
[9:45] <scottstamp> Let's just say I melted the RADIUS server
[9:45] <Bozza> Wow :)
[9:45] <Bozza> Hahaha that's impressive
[9:45] <scottstamp> Not on raspis of course.
[9:45] <skrator> Jck_True: about the display thing, if it is supposed to work on 3.3v, doesnt that mean that the whole display is in danger if I put 5V over it?
[9:45] <Bozza> Yea
[9:46] <scottstamp> skrator, they're designed to prevent that from happening typically
[9:46] <Bozza> Hmm I might have to get myself a decent wifi stick
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[9:46] <scottstamp> If you don't mind it being like a whole separate thing, get an Alfa.
[9:46] <scottstamp> They're awesome.
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[9:46] <skrator> scottstamp: so it will be fine just to plug it into pi vcc?
[9:46] <scottstamp> skrator, Yeah, I would think so.
[9:47] <Bozza> Aren't things like AP mode and monitoring mode all in the driver? What's in a frikking wifi device? I am pretty sure those things are pretty universal?
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[9:48] <scottstamp> AFAIK some chipsets aren't fully supported by the ARM processor in the pi.
[9:48] <scottstamp> Like they work, but certain modes wont work
[9:48] <scottstamp> Promiscuious mode is a common one.
[9:48] <scottstamp> I slaughtered the spelling there.
[9:48] <Bozza> Is this a kernel issue?
[9:49] <Jck_True> skrator: Depends what the board is designed for (Find the description for your specific board, I was simply being stupid and picked a free header on my pi)
[9:49] <Bozza> Hehe yea
[9:49] <scottstamp> It's more of a kernel module issue
[9:50] <scottstamp> If I'm not mistaken ALL WiFi drivers are kernel modules
[9:50] <Bozza> Sounds like it is "easy" to fix
[9:50] <Bozza> scottstamp: I think so afaik
[9:50] <scottstamp> It really isn't.
[9:50] <scottstamp> They're broken because nobody's written code for it.
[9:50] <scottstamp> You'd need to fix the driver itself.
[9:50] <Bozza> Oh
[9:50] <Bozza> Fair enough
[9:51] <scottstamp> It's like how you can only use some wifi dongles to crack WEP/WPA network passwords
[9:51] <Bozza> Yes that's quite a pain
[9:51] <Bozza> I should probably get myself one of those :)
[9:51] <Bozza> Habe you tried cracking WPA /WPS ?
[9:51] <scottstamp> Most ALFAs work.
[9:51] <Bozza> With a pi
[9:51] <scottstamp> Yeah, I used to do pentesting for work
[9:51] <scottstamp> Lol
[9:52] <scottstamp> I've cracked hundreds of WEP keys'
[9:52] <Bozza> Sweet
[9:52] <Bozza> How fast is reaver on the pi?
[9:52] <scottstamp> erm
[9:52] <scottstamp> LOL
[9:52] <scottstamp> not very
[9:52] <scottstamp> I mean like capturing the handshake
[9:52] <scottstamp> Then crack it on a x86 machine
[9:52] <Bozza> Is WPS cracking an offline attackZ?
[9:53] <Bozza> Backtrack used to publish torrents with REALLY good WPA rainbow tables
[9:53] <scottstamp> yeah, it's offline.
[9:53] <scottstamp> Rainbow tables are like 10gb.. O_O
[9:54] <Bozza> For WPA rainbow cracking it was enough to capture just the handshake
[9:54] <Bozza> scottstamp: yea... For each SSID !
[9:54] <scottstamp> Lol Backtrack never distributed RTs for WPA
[9:54] <Bozza> But backtrack had the most common SSID tables
[9:54] <Bozza> No no they did
[9:54] <Bozza> I am pretty sure lol
[9:54] <Bozza> At least the same team
[9:54] <scottstamp> it's like 300mb at least for one SSID
[9:54] <scottstamp> Maybe same team. Research blog or something.
[9:55] <Bozza> They're tables were absolutely huge! Like 8 gigs or so for one SSID
[9:55] <Bozza> Their*
[9:55] <scottstamp> Oh yeah that's full charset.
[9:55] <Bozza> A shame that the torrents have gone missing
[9:55] <scottstamp> My RTs were 1234567890 min len 10 max len 12 for a lot of SSIDs
[9:56] <scottstamp> All the phone number defaults
[9:56] <scottstamp> Roughly 300mb per SSID
[9:56] <scottstamp> I could buffer 20 of the most popular in RAM
[9:56] <Bozza> I don't know if its just in Europe. But ISP providers have started releasing wifi hubs with unique strings in the SSID
[9:57] <Bozza> for ex belkin-73778283739
[9:58] <Bozza> It's quite annoying that the SSID is part of the cypher lol
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[10:03] <Bozza> scottstamp: isn't the WPS just an eight digit number?
[10:04] <Bozza> Can WPS be hacked with a rainbow table?
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[10:10] <hexabit> Bozza: You can crack WPS with reaver.
[10:10] <hexabit> http://code.google.com/p/reaver-wps/
[10:11] <Bozza> hexabit: I realise that. What is more interesting is if reaver can crack WPS on a pi
[10:11] <Bozza> In a reasonable time
[10:12] <hexabit> Bozza: ahaa ok. Yeah that would be nice. :)
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[10:14] <Bozza> I think scottstamp is right .. It might be super slow
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[10:19] <aykut> merhaba teknoloji aşıkları
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[12:31] <mattwj2002> hi all
[12:31] <mattwj2002> anyone around? :)
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[12:32] <ShorTie> maybe, what cha need ??
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[12:35] <mattwj2002> hi ShorTie nothing :)
[12:35] <mattwj2002> I just wanted to talk pi! :D
[12:35] <mattwj2002> I got a new pi in the mail yesterday
[12:36] <mattwj2002> I got my codecs finally
[12:36] <ShorTie> cool
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[12:36] <mattwj2002> yup
[12:37] <mattwj2002> now I have DVR access in both my bedroom and my living room
[12:37] * mattwj2002 dances
[12:37] <mattwj2002> I built a mythtv box
[12:38] <ShorTie> that is nice, myth is preaty cool
[12:38] <mattwj2002> I agree
[12:38] <mattwj2002> my mythtv box has a 2 TB hard drive....so I can store quite a bit at once
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[12:40] <ShorTie> depending on format, you sure can
[12:41] <mattwj2002> ShorTie: I record off of Comcast cable
[12:41] <mattwj2002> it is roughly 1 GB/hour for SD and about 6-7 GB per hour for HD
[12:42] <mattwj2002> a lot of GB in a TB drive ;)
[12:43] <ShorTie> 6-7 gig is not true hd, but ok i guess
[12:43] <mattwj2002> right it is compressed down
[12:43] <mattwj2002> ShorTie: what is over the air?
[12:44] <mattwj2002> 13 GB seems right
[12:45] <ShorTie> a more truer hd would be like 1080p, which would be over 20 gig most likely
[12:45] <mattwj2002> ShorTie: TV signals in the US are only 1080i I believe
[12:45] <mattwj2002> you need to go BluRay for 1080p
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[12:47] <ShorTie> not sure on over the air stuff, i live to far in the bonies to get it
[12:47] <mattwj2002> ShorTie: are you in the US or elsewhere?
[12:47] <mattwj2002> most of the rest of the world uses DVB
[12:47] <ShorTie> ya, i'm in the US
[12:48] <mattwj2002> ShorTie: I live in Minneapolis, MN
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[12:48] <mattwj2002> I am not that far from the towers......
[12:49] <mattwj2002> but there is a stupid water tower in direct line of sight of me and the tv signal :(
[12:49] * mattwj2002 cries
[12:49] <ShorTie> cutting torch might help then
[12:50] <mattwj2002> the towers are in North East metro....and I live in South West
[12:50] <mattwj2002> a nice big water tower between me and free tv :(
[12:50] <mattwj2002> hehe
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[12:54] <mattwj2002> ShorTie: what do you use your PI for?
[12:54] <mattwj2002> assuming you have one
[12:54] <mattwj2002> :)
[12:55] <ShorTie> oh i have just 3 at the moment, i use them for PLC purposes
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[12:58] <mattwj2002> ah
[12:59] <mattwj2002> gtg bye!
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[13:36] <MrVector> BCM2835 manual states "Because the EMMC module shares pins with other functionality it must be selected in the GPIO interface. Please refer to the GPIO section forfurther details."
[13:36] <MrVector> I've been digging around the GPIO section for about half an hour and not seen any mention of emmc or sd :s Any hints?
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[13:37] <MrVector> http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs only lists GPIO47-GPIO53 as SD_*... But they have no alternate function, so it doesn't look like one has to select it? :s
[13:37] <InterWeb> How do I can make an irc on my pi ?
[13:37] <InterWeb> or xmpp server
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[13:38] <ozzzy> you want an irc client or server
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[13:39] <Tachyon`> if you want an ircd be aware that your external IP would have to be routed to the pi on the correct ports for people to connect to it
[13:39] <Tachyon`> unrealircd used to be good although I've not used it in quite some years
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[13:42] <InterWeb> I want a server to chat to otherones privately , can I use xmpp ?
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[13:48] <InterWeb> Tachyon`, ozzzy , Can I use other things like xmpp ?
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[13:49] <ozzzy> I'm not familiar with xmpp
[13:50] <InterWeb> Tachyon`, How do I can use it ? after install it what do I need to do ?
[13:50] <overrider> I want to give a user the ability to change the timezone as in /etc/localtime via a web interface. How to do that in a safe way? Just giving php write access to etc seems not ideal.
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[13:51] <Tachyon`> I don't know that software either unfortunately
[13:51] <Tachyon`> I'd imagine it's well documented though
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[14:07] <InterWeb> after install and configuring the irc server How do I can connect to it ?
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[14:08] <InterWeb> can anyone help ?
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[14:12] <Sonny_Jim> Which irc server?
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[14:16] <Sonny_Jim> Yay, well my blinky LED load meter works, kinda
[14:17] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, I've connected to my own irc ,
[14:18] <Sonny_Jim> There's a few ircds iirc
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[14:49] <SirLagz> damn you Linksys..DAMN YOU
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[14:56] <SirLagz> why did they have to make the SPAs more secure dagnabbit :(
[14:59] <linuxstb> More secure in what way?
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[15:05] <SirLagz> linuxstb: trying to unlock a SPA3102, and a SPA2102...and I can't anymore :(
[15:05] <SirLagz> linuxstb: I unlocked an older SPA3102 so easily too :(
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[15:12] <Crenn-NAS> MY 3D PRINTER MOVES!
[15:12] <Crenn-NAS> Also, hello
[15:13] <SirLagz> hi
[15:13] <linuxstb> SirLagz: Ah, OK. I never even knew they came in locked versions....
[15:14] <SirLagz> linuxstb: yeah...unfortunately they do.
[15:14] <SirLagz> My older one was easy to unlock, because it didn't use HTTPS to grab the configuration files
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[15:14] <SirLagz> the new ones use HTTPS and I can't trick it into downloading a default configuration file
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[15:15] <SirLagz> linuxstb: unless you know how I can impersonate a server lol
[15:19] <linuxstb> So VOIP providers sell/give away locked versions?
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[15:21] <SirLagz> linuxstb: yep. unfortunately
[15:21] <SirLagz> linuxstb: I bought one off ebay...it didn't mention it was locked :(
[15:22] * IT_Sean only buys unlocked phones. It's mine, and i'll do with it as i please, dammit.
[15:22] <SirLagz> IT_Sean: totally agreed.
[15:24] <linuxstb> IT_Sean: Me too. You generally end up paying more though...
[15:25] <SirLagz> linuxstb: true
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[15:39] <InterWeb> How do I can set password for my irc server ? I've added a password to It's config but I should not use a password on loging into it
[15:39] <Sonny_Jim> You need to tell people *which* irc server you are using
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[15:41] <ozzzy> when I ran ircd I just had to tell people the address and port
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[15:44] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, hybird
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[15:45] <InterWeb> ozzzy, I want to ask people a password
[15:45] <InterWeb> ozzzy, I want to for private chat
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[15:47] <InterWeb> Sonny_Jim, I'm using hybird-ircd
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[15:55] <InterWeb> can anyone help ?
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[16:00] <SirLagz> InterWeb: do you mean when people join a channel ?
[16:00] <SirLagz> InterWeb: or join your IRC server ?
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[16:03] <InterWeb> SirLagz, join my IRC server
[16:03] <ParkerR> InterWeb, if you ask a question, maybe
[16:03] <InterWeb> ParkerR, What do you mean ?
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[16:07] <Bozza> Anybody who got 8192cu work to work with AP mode well?
[16:08] <SirLagz> InterWeb: googling got me this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/181111/how-can-i-set-ircd-hybrid-server-password <-- have you done what the answer suggests ?
[16:08] <SirLagz> Bozza: you need to use realteks version of hostapd
[16:09] <Bozza> SirLagz: cool I thought I would need to use realteks 8192cu.ko driver
[16:09] <InterWeb> SirLagz, Yes I did it before and restarted my server too
[16:09] <Bozza> SirLagz: is there a pre compiled hostapd?
[16:10] <Bozza> I can keep the 8192cu.ko that's running on my pi right?
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> Good Friday afternoon to all Pi peeps!
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[16:11] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: yello!
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[16:12] <Bozza> SirLagz: if you could link me to a discussion with the solution I would appreciate it greatly! I have only found one discussion about it where no one is quite sure what's going on
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[16:16] <InterWeb> SirLagz, what should I do ? :/
[16:17] <Bozza> If I also want monitoring mode would I need the Realtek version of the driver itself?
[16:17] <SirLagz> Bozza: check on the forums. someone made a thread about using realteks hostapd
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[16:17] <SirLagz> InterWeb: no sorry. I haven't set a password on my IRC server.
[16:18] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: evening !
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[16:20] <SirLagz> woo writing a file browser in whiptail. this is getting interesting
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[16:21] <SirLagz> each directory keeps getting a / prepended to the start of the path lol
[16:24] <Zackio> /ban
[16:24] <Zackio> Oops.
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[16:29] <WienerWuerstel> Servus
[16:31] <WienerWuerstel> I'm in despair- I tried several SD Cards and also just tried a new power supply from pi hut but I still just get a black screen and a red light from my pi.
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[16:32] <IT_Sean> WienerWuerstel: are you sure you are correctly writing the OS image to the SD? It sounds like it is not finding the OS.
[16:33] <WienerWuerstel> I tried to write it with the suse imagewriter which is recommended by the raspbian team.
[16:33] <IT_Sean> Okay. Just making sure.
[16:33] <IT_Sean> Did you receive any errors when writing the image?
[16:33] <WienerWuerstel> And I also tried to format it just with gparted to fat 32 and putting the files on the sd card
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[16:34] <WienerWuerstel> Nope. No Errors
[16:34] <IT_Sean> the red LED is normal. That LED merely indicates that the raspi is receiving power. That is A Good Thing.
[16:35] <WienerWuerstel> I know but I wanted to share that info. That's why I find it weird that my USB Keyboard doesn't get any power and I got no picture
[16:35] <casaper> hi, I've just noticed that there seems to be no hdmi_mode= for 2560x1440. Thats what my HDMY 27" Display is supporting natively. If it is not possible to get the rpi to do that, what resolution would you suggest in that case?
[16:36] <WienerWuerstel> The Pi worked perfectly a couple weeks ago but then it just stopped working and I tried several power supplies and sd cards after that
[16:36] <IT_Sean> So, it was booting, and isn't now?
[16:36] <WienerWuerstel> Exactly
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> casaper: not as i understand it
[16:37] <WienerWuerstel> It doesn't power the usb keyboard so I'm guessing that it get's power but fails to boot from the sd card for some reason
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> casaper: divide by 2
[16:37] <IT_Sean> Might be an issue with the Pi. Did you do anything that might have damaged it? i.e. used the wrong PSU? crossed up the wrong GPIO pins? anything?
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> casaper: 1280x720
[16:38] <gyeben> casaper: you could also try 1920x1080
[16:38] <WienerWuerstel> I didn't mess with the Pins. But I could have used the wrong PSU. But I used my samsung charger before and it worked just fine but one day it failed on me.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> in general, you want a simple ratio.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Try both 1/2 and 3/4
[16:39] <WienerWuerstel> I also have a second pi that got the same issue but I didn't try the new power supply with that one. I just got it today from pi hut
[16:39] * SpeedEvil is looking for a low power box that will run a 2560*1600 display too.
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> i offer a large bounty for it.
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> it's a coconut one, though it did expire in 2003.
[16:40] <casaper> gyeben & SpeedEvil: ok, Id just run in 1080 then, because the monitor has a upsampler built in, i guess. But I wonder, if there is any possibility to get the full res out of my raspy. It could spit out 2560x1600, so it wouldn't be about performance, i guess
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> casaper: 2560*1600 requires a 'dual link' HDMI output.
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> It's my understanding that the card cannot do this
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> Pi
[16:41] <casaper> so why does the rpiconf have a hdmi_mode for it then?
[16:42] <casaper> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[16:42] <casaper> hdmi_mode=77
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> Text files don't mean hardware support.
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> I would be delighted to be wrong.
[16:42] <Jusii> it's actually just a list of all CEA/DMT modes
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[16:43] <SpeedEvil> However - performance in general at 2560*1600 will be comedically bad.
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> At least in X/console
[16:43] <Jusii> "there is a pixel clock limit which means the highest supported mode is 1920x1200 @60Hz with reduced blanking."
[16:43] <casaper> it said it does that much. but I have no idea. But thank you anyway, SpeedEvil and gyeben. I'll be fine with 1080 for now anyway. I was just thinking it would be better to give the display its native res. but it doesn't matter that much
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> casaper: what says that it does that much
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> Jusii: ah
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[16:45] <Jusii> they shouldn't list those higher resolution modes, makes it only confusing
[16:45] <casaper> SpeedEvil: actually I didn't expect the rpi to deliver more than 1200, but was just scanning this RPi_config doc. Thats why
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[16:46] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:46] <casaper> Jusii: right
[16:46] <casaper> :)
[16:46] * SpeedEvil is annoyed.
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> In principle the intel NUC's can do that res - but not in HDMI
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> And thunderbolt to HDMI-dual adaptors do not seem to exist
[16:47] <casaper> I didn't even know that there is such a thing at all ;-)
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[16:47] <casaper> well, thank you guys for the hints
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> BRING BACK VGA.
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[16:47] <SpeedEvil> It was all simple then.
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[16:51] <casaper> SpeedEvil: wouldn't a simple plain old Displayport do as well :D
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> Digital video - it'll never catch on.
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[16:52] <casaper> or better the antenna connectors, we used to connect our NES back in the days
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[16:52] <casaper> Gradius for ever. ;)
[16:54] <crumb> where do i get the build tools for compiling stuff for raspberry pi
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[16:54] <crumb> cross-compile build tools
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[17:01] <Datalink> SpeedEvil, if we went back to analog, would we have a SCART, coax F-Connector, PAL Connector, UHF Connector, Composite, Component, S-Video, BNC, or twin lead?
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[17:02] <SpeedEvil> Datalink: All of them of course.
[17:02] <linuxstb> You could probably fit the Pi inside a SCART connector ;)
[17:02] <Datalink> sheeyeah, linuxstb, they're pretty big
[17:03] <Datalink> I wanna get one just to have one in my part collection, never would need it being in the US though
[17:03] <busla> has anyone had problems with the Samsung cards sold by Modmypi ... preinstalled with NOOBS?
[17:03] <busla> getting the infamous mmc0 errors
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[17:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ what power
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[17:17] <diverdude> Hello, have many FLOPS does the raspi processor provide
[17:17] <diverdude> ?
[17:17] <diverdude> i know GPU provides 24GFLOPS
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[17:29] <Sonny_Jim> Is there a way of setting all the GPIO pins low on boot?
[17:29] <Sonny_Jim> As in from config.txt
[17:30] <ozzzy> what state are they in on bootup
[17:30] <Sonny_Jim> high
[17:31] <Sonny_Jim> At least GPIO0,1,2,3 are
[17:31] <ozzzy> hmmm... then they should be tripping my shutter and focus motor on boot... they don't
[17:31] <ozzzy> I have to explicitly set them high
[17:31] <Sonny_Jim> Well
[17:31] <Sonny_Jim> They are set to IN from boot I believe
[17:32] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe my circuit is more sensitive than yours
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: 'on boot' - Will generally never mean 'the instant power is enabled
[17:32] <Sonny_Jim> I think the solution for me would be to find a GPIO pin that's set to OUT and LOW on boot and use that
[17:32] <Sonny_Jim> to control OE on the buffer chip I am using
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[17:33] <ozzzy> SpeedEvil: they don't enable the external hardware anytime after boot until being told to
[17:34] <ozzzy> 2, 3, 14, 15 may be high but they're not GPIOs by default
[17:35] <Lejoni> diverdude: the only number I can find is 0.175 GFLOP/s. and it's only an estimation.
[17:36] <diverdude> Lejoni, thats really weak compared to its 24GFLOPS GPU
[17:37] <Lejoni> diverdude: all CPUs are weak compaired to GPUs if you measure it like that.
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[17:37] <ozzzy> I wouldn't use a pi for anything that needs a lot of processor LOL
[17:37] <diverdude> Lejoni, but so much? Thats like 137 factor
[17:37] <ozzzy> but for my needs... it's great
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> Looks like GPIO7 is pulled high on boot, so I could probably use that
[17:40] <Lejoni> diverdude: my graphic card in my gaming rig is about 3200GFLOPS the CPU I believe is somewhere around 120GFLOPS
[17:41] <Lejoni> also depends if its singel or double precision
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[17:45] <diverdude> Lejoni, single precision is enough for most uses
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[17:46] <Jeebiss> Anyone ever used a yaml library with python?
[17:46] <Jeebiss> Or does anyone have a suggestion on how to make easy to read configs
[17:46] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: isn't that what Google App Engine use?
[17:47] <Jeebiss> Not sure, im only familar with it because I also write minecraft plugins, and its the standard for those
[17:47] <Lejoni> diverdude: yeah the CPU is pritty weak on the RPi but it is enough to run a mumble server witch I was very impressed by :)
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[17:48] <diverdude> Lejoni, i was considering to crunch some numbers :D
[17:48] <diverdude> maybe not the best card for that hehehe
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[17:48] <Jeebiss> mumble is similar to vent or teamspeak?
[17:48] <Lejoni> diverdude: cant you use the GPU for that?
[17:48] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: yes
[17:49] <Jeebiss> Ah, interesting
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[17:49] <diverdude> Lejoni, well i cannot access the raspi GPU
[17:49] <diverdude> afaik
[17:50] <A_J_> Hello All. I'm looking to create a project for uni using a rasberry pi controlling some hardware element. i'm going to be using a programming langauge(C,C++,Java) to control the hardware. can someone help me think i can do using the pi
[17:51] <A_J_> can someone help me with some pointers
[17:53] <Lejoni> diverdude: have you checked this thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3330&start=25
[17:54] <Sonny_Jim> A_J_: Make an LED blink and go from there
[17:54] <A_J_> Sonny_Jim yea i figured that would be the basics.
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[17:54] <A_J_> but i'm not sure what the pi can control
[17:55] <Sonny_Jim> Use you imagination
[17:55] <Lejoni> A_J_: This seams like a good place to start: http://elinux.org/RPi_Expansion_Boards
[17:55] <Sonny_Jim> Right now I'm reading the output of /proc/loadavg to blink LED's
[17:56] <Sonny_Jim> The final goal is control a pinball table with it
[17:56] <A_J_> piball table.
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[17:56] <A_J_> hmm okie Sonny_Jim how many led's can i control ?
[17:57] <Sonny_Jim> Lots
[17:57] <A_J_> like a whole gird ? 8x8 ?
[17:57] <Sonny_Jim> If you look at the wiringpi examples you can control up to 256 with a couple of chips
[17:57] <Sonny_Jim> Sure
[17:57] <Lejoni> multiplexing for the win
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[17:57] <Sonny_Jim> In the pinball world we call that a lamp matrix
[17:58] <Sonny_Jim> Couple of transistors and some diodes
[17:58] <A_J_> hmm can you give me something to read up
[17:58] <Sonny_Jim> Have a look at gordondragons site
[17:58] <A_J_> or the elinux page is good ?
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[17:58] <Sonny_Jim> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
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[18:00] <A_J_> thank you Sonny_Jim. one last thing
[18:00] <A_J_> did i make a mistake buying a pi, should i have got a adrino
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[18:05] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[18:05] <Sonny_Jim> I like my Pi, it's cheap and I can do stuff with it
[18:05] <Sonny_Jim> I like Linux, so it was a no brainer
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[18:06] <Sonny_Jim> My advice is to pick a project that can be broken down into easy to manage chunks and is something you are interested in
[18:06] <johnc-> if you wanted an arduino that's what you should have bought I guess
[18:06] <Sonny_Jim> I'm not really sure what the differences are
[18:07] <johnc-> arduino is built for hobby tinkering
[18:07] <Sonny_Jim> Well, so is the Pi
[18:07] <johnc-> no, the pi is build for learning on
[18:07] <Jeebiss> Pi is a computer, Arduino is a microprocessor
[18:07] <Sonny_Jim> Ah there you go
[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> I like having things like an ethernet port and USB that works
[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> For £25
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[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> Can't really go wrong with that
[18:08] * Lejoni has worked with both the Pi and Arduino
[18:08] <johnc-> pi is great fo sho
[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> Say if I spot a Linux program (like reaver), it's trivial to run it on a Pi
[18:08] <Jeebiss> Pi is good when you need computer like processing, in an easy package.
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[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> So you get quite a lot of software straight off the bat
[18:08] <Jeebiss> Prior to the pi, doing GPIO with anything was a difficult task
[18:09] <Sonny_Jim> A_J_: You might want to get the other side of the story in an Arduino channel
[18:09] <Jeebiss> A_J_: what kind of project are you working on?
[18:09] <Jeebiss> Sorry if I missed your explanation
[18:10] <Sonny_Jim> They haven't picked one yet
[18:10] <Jeebiss> Oh, there it is
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[18:11] <A_J_> Jeebiss hardware implentation of java(or c++) on a pi
[18:12] <A_J_> Jeebiss trying to figure out what a pi can do for now.
[18:12] <A_J_> and i need some compatible hardware.
[18:12] <Lejoni> If you just want to take an input from a GPIO and give an output from another GPIO with fairly minimal work inbetween I would say Arduino is a better choise. If you want more complex processing i between Pi is prolly better.
[18:12] <Jeebiss> hardward is a vague term
[18:13] <A_J_> Jeebiss well input something from outside processes that and do something with it (eg print it) or some corresponding action
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[18:13] <A_J_> that's the basic idea atleast
[18:13] <Jeebiss> Without any specifics, either would suit your bill
[18:13] <Jeebiss> Arduino is lower power, and easier to setup/use out of the box
[18:14] <Jeebiss> it also uses c++ which you seem fond of
[18:14] <A_J_> i bought the pi though.
[18:14] <Jeebiss> The pi will handle it also
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[18:15] <A_J_> but question is Jeebiss what should i do.
[18:15] <bel3atar> can I use the SD card for storing files after I've dded the OS image to it?
[18:15] <Jeebiss> Just in general?
[18:15] <A_J_> you got any idea's you can throw my way
[18:15] <A_J_> yea something general.
[18:15] <Jeebiss> I always suggest the basic blinking led
[18:15] <A_J_> i've got a few ones
[18:15] <Jeebiss> to get your juices flowing
[18:16] <A_J_> hmm okie. i can start by doing that i guess.
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[18:16] <Jeebiss> Im working on making a voice activated home automation system
[18:16] <Jeebiss> A_J_: Do you have the stuff to easily use the GPIO from the pi. (i.e. a pi cobbler, or female to male jumpers and a breadboard)?
[18:16] <Lejoni> - Pi! Turn on the lights please.
[18:16] <A_J_> no Jeebiss i do not.
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[18:17] <Jeebiss> I'd look into that
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[18:17] <Jeebiss> Have any old floppy ide cables?
[18:17] <A_J_> on it. it's the same stuff which audrio uses right ?
[18:17] <Jeebiss> Yeah, the components are really similar
[18:17] <A_J_> yea i do have ide cables
[18:18] <bel3atar> can I use the SD card for file storage after I've dded the OS image to it?
[18:18] <Jeebiss> bel3atar: sure you can
[18:18] <Lejoni> <Pi> - Lejoni, did you say turn on the night phase?
[18:18] <Lejoni> - Pi! NO!
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[18:18] <Jeebiss> A_J_: you can plug an ide cable onto the raspi's gpio to access the pins without risking damage to the board
[18:19] <Jeebiss> you can crudely just shove wires into the other end of the ribbon cable
[18:19] <johnc-> Lejoni: mine totally does that :P
[18:19] <Lejoni> bel3atar: If you use Raspbian and after first boot expand the filesystem to fill the SD card then yes you can
[18:19] <Jeebiss> Im not sure how extensive your budget is, but this is a great starter kit
[18:19] <Jeebiss> http://www.adafruit.com/products/942
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[18:19] <Jeebiss> a minimalistic start kit that is
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[18:20] <Jeebiss> Lejoni: lol, so far its pretty good at recognizing my voice
[18:20] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: English is not my first language so I have learned to hate voice recognizion
[18:20] <A_J_> wow Jeebiss that looks awesome
[18:20] <Jeebiss> Lejoni: ahh, interestingly enough, the speech-api im using supports lots of languages
[18:21] <johnc-> Jeebiss: which speech recog API are you using?
[18:21] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: Yeah Google started to support Swedish a while ago. I gave it a go. And it went nowhere
[18:21] <Jeebiss> google's
[18:21] <johnc-> ahh
[18:21] <johnc-> haven't looked into that yet
[18:22] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: Problem with google voice search is that it dose not know how names on citys or other local places is pronouced so it allways tries to make me drive to the US when I want to go to the next town over.
[18:22] <Jeebiss> its pretty straight forward
[18:23] <Jeebiss> Lejoni: thats unfortuante :(
[18:23] <Lejoni> Hopefully it will get better with time though :)
[18:24] <Jeebiss> do a quick google search for at&t watson, its looking like a pretty impressive speech recognition system
[18:25] <A_J_> Jeebiss do you hang here often ?
[18:25] <Jeebiss> Yeah
[18:25] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: Me doing a voice search for "AT&T Watson" in english made it google for "hent watson"
[18:26] <Jeebiss> hahaha
[18:26] <Jeebiss> 50% isnt too shabby
[18:26] <A_J_> Jeebiss thanks for the website.
[18:26] <A_J_> so what do i get a breadboard and a led's
[18:26] <A_J_> with the cables
[18:26] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: if I pronouced A T & T in sweish it got it though :)
[18:27] <Jeebiss> A_J_: Just curious, whats your budget?
[18:27] <A_J_> umm depends though it's a group project i can get max 500$
[18:28] <A_J_> without the pi that is
[18:28] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: the real pain with voice recognition though is that for me I often want to say some things in English and some things in Swedish. and it can't really handle that
[18:28] <Jeebiss> A_J_: if you can afford it, this would be a lot more appropriate to get started with
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[18:28] <Jeebiss> http://www.adafruit.com/products/955
[18:29] <Jeebiss> thats everything you'd need to get started
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[18:30] <A_J_> Jeebiss i was loooking at that only.
[18:30] <Lejoni> ok this is funny: Now when I tryed to voice search: "A T & T Watson" in English it gave me "at at what" when I tryed it again in Swedish it gave me "hej and tina watson"
[18:30] <A_J_> but what am i going to do with it
[18:30] <Jeebiss> That'll get you LEDs, jumpers, buttons, resistors.
[18:30] <A_J_> i need a kinda idea what it's for...
[18:30] <Jeebiss> Well thats the thing, those are the tools to do stuff
[18:31] <A_J_> atleast to convice my group members
[18:31] <jda2000> OK,
[18:31] <Jeebiss> The cobbler and the breadboard, allow you to access the GPIO really easily
[18:31] <Jeebiss> Which you'll need to interface with stuff
[18:31] <A_J_> okie.
[18:31] <Jeebiss> The LEDs and buttons give you some very simple i/o componets
[18:31] <Lejoni> LMAO. when I voice searched "google voice search sucks" it was spot on 100%!
[18:31] <jda2000> So, I'm using NOOBS and I have this:
[18:32] <jda2000> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[18:32] <jda2000> /dev/mmcblk0p1 2048 2466796 1232374+ e W95 FAT16 (LBA)
[18:32] <jda2000> /dev/mmcblk0p2 2473984 31116287 14321152 85 Linux extended
[18:32] <jda2000> /dev/mmcblk0p5 2482176 2596863 57344 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[18:32] <jda2000> /dev/mmcblk0p6 2605056 31116287 14255616 83 Linux
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[18:32] <jda2000> How badly can I mess up those last two partitions and still recover?
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[18:34] <A_J_> thanks anyway Jeebiss
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[18:35] <Jeebiss> A_J_: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a61n5enl256ox9z/2013-09-20%2012.33.26.jpg
[18:35] <Jeebiss> thats my current project, a bicycle computer
[18:35] <Jeebiss> it gives you an idea of why youll need some components
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[18:35] <Jeebiss> breadboard it your prototyping base
[18:36] <A_J_> aah i see
[18:36] <Jeebiss> jumpers connect things, i use the 4 buttons for inputs, and the screen as an output
[18:36] <jda2000> Specifically, I think I want to copy the contents of the last partition to a hard drive and then change /boot/cmdline.txt to point to it as /dev/sda1.
[18:37] <jda2000> If that goes wrong, will the NOOBS recovery functionality be able to repair it?
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[18:38] <A_J_> Jeebiss i had this idea. i'll run it by you
[18:38] <Jeebiss> sure
[18:39] <A_J_> using a credit card scanner, which scans credit card information and somehow emulates information
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[18:39] <A_J_> and displays it ready for network communication
[18:40] <Jeebiss> Soooo stealing credit card info ;)?
[18:40] <A_J_> well lol
[18:40] <A_J_> that's where i got the idea from
[18:40] <Lejoni> A_J_: They have already done that to the ATM's here a lot.
[18:40] <A_J_> hmm okie that's good.
[18:40] <A_J_> it would look impressive atleast
[18:40] <Jeebiss> Is this for a school project or something?
[18:41] <Lejoni> granted you have to be pritty blind to not see that something is attached to the ATM like that
[18:41] <A_J_> yea Jeebiss a uni project
[18:41] <Jeebiss> is there any criteria?
[18:41] <A_J_> focus is programming
[18:41] <A_J_> nothing really.
[18:41] <A_J_> it was my idea for hardware implentation
[18:41] <Lejoni> A Really impressive uni project I saw was someone that built a working CPU in redstone in Minecraft
[18:42] <Jeebiss> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZIfIzNW9xM
[18:42] <Jeebiss> that would get you an A+, guareneteed
[18:43] * A_J_ watches
[18:43] <A_J_> lol
[18:43] <A_J_> Jeebiss other thing must be i need to be carry this to my uni
[18:44] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: Dont see any wires. Assume it communicates wireless with some computer somehwere that controlls it?
[18:44] <Jeebiss> I think its done with a basic stamp
[18:44] <jda2000> Come on, guys. It's a simple yes or now question. surely out of 434 lurkers somebody knows the answer.
[18:44] <Jeebiss> and X10 transmitters/receivers
[18:44] <jda2000> s/now/no/
[18:44] <Jeebiss> jda2000: sorry, thats way out of my leauge D:
[18:45] <Jeebiss> maybe try #raspbian
[18:45] <jda2000> Ok, Thanks Jeebiss
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[18:45] <Lejoni> jda2000: Might want to ask in a channel specificly for NOOBS
[18:45] <Jeebiss> "Once the X10 transceiver receives the wireless signal from the party button, it then forwards it out towards a computer that is always listening for the signal. Once it detects the signal that the button was pressed, it then runs a script which starts the party initiation process."
[18:46] <jda2000> Lejoni, Did not know there was one. Thanks for the idea.
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[18:47] <Lejoni> jda2000: I do not know that there is. and if not try a forum for NOOBS. this is a general RPi forum. I know there is a #Raspbian channel that Im in cus I use that.
[18:47] <A_J_> Jeebiss well any idea's
[18:47] <Jeebiss> The potential is limited by your imagination
[18:48] <A_J_> well i'm afraid to say. i'm not big on imagination
[18:49] <A_J_> i'm willing to try though
[18:49] <A_J_> i just dont wanna take something which coding will kill me
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[18:49] <A_J_> cause i've gotta do all the worl
[18:49] <A_J_> work*
[18:49] <A_J_> and we just learned java
[18:49] <A_J_> secondly it should work after all the efforts
[18:49] <Jeebiss> Well, what interests you?
[18:50] <Jeebiss> Im a bicycle mechanic, so I am building a bicycle computer
[18:50] <Lejoni> jda2000: as I understand it NOOBS is just a way for you to be able to test diffrent distrubutions without having to rewrite new ISOs
[18:51] <A_J_> i was thinking automation Jeebiss. or some sort of information gathering system
[18:51] <Lejoni> jda2000: would prolly be better to deside on one distro before you put it on an external HDD
[18:51] <A_J_> but it must be portable
[18:51] <A_J_> is a bugluar alarm too basic to build ?
[18:51] <IT_Sean> "bicycle mechanic"? Is that even a thing?
[18:51] <Jeebiss> I build and fix bicycles, so id say so
[18:51] <A_J_> i fix up motorcycles in my mean time. also like games,coding
[18:51] <A_J_> idk
[18:52] <jda2000> Lejoni, Yes, I should be able to change from one distro to another at any time. As well as to reinstall/recover my current system.
[18:52] <Lejoni> A_J_: idk. it it's too basic. but it sertanly is very basic. unless it also notifyes you with a live camera feed to your phone of the burgler :)
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[18:52] <Jeebiss> A_J_: Well, alarms systems are not complicated, but you can complicate it with a camera, SMS messages, online management
[18:52] <Jeebiss> All sorts of stuff
[18:52] <Jeebiss> Lejoni: well shit, you beat me to it lol
[18:53] <diverdude> Lejoni, hmm so is it possible to do calculations on raspi GPU?
[18:53] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: hehe
[18:53] <Lejoni> diverdude: from what I could gather of that thread yes it is possible. Maybe not easy though
[18:53] * A_J_ ponders
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[18:54] <diverdude> Lejoni, hmm i think its some bad hack they are using
[18:54] <Lejoni> diverdude: if it works...
[18:54] <Lejoni> Everything good started out as a ugly hack
[18:55] <diverdude> Lejoni, i wonder how many FLOPS a 128 node raspi cluster could perform if GPU were utilized on the raspis
[18:55] <A_J_> Jeebiss how many GPIO pins does the LCD display need ?
[18:55] <Lejoni> that is not saying every ugly hack becomes something good
[18:55] <Jeebiss> A_J_: you already have composite and hdmi out on the pi
[18:55] <Jeebiss> no need to use GPIO
[18:56] <Jeebiss> Just get a crappy rear veiw camaera from amazon
[18:56] <Jeebiss> 20 bucks
[18:56] <Lejoni> A_J_: The once I use need 4 pins I think
[18:56] <A_J_> nah i mean the one in your picture
[18:56] <Lejoni> or was it 6
[18:56] <Lejoni> dont remember
[18:56] <Jeebiss> Oh, that one origianlly was 16 pins, but I have an I2C converter on the back, so it only uses 2 now
[18:57] <A_J_> damn
[18:57] <Jeebiss> Well, technically none because the arduino has seperate I2C pins, so I freed up all the digital i/o it was using
[18:57] <A_J_> i'll run out of pins if it takes so much
[18:57] <A_J_> any way we can expand the pins ?
[18:57] <A_J_> like spliiters or something
[18:57] <Jeebiss> Well, like I said, you dont need a crappy lcd like I use
[18:57] <Jeebiss> That project was on an arduino
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[18:57] <Jeebiss> You already have video out, use that
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[18:58] <Jeebiss> Thats another bonus to the pi vs and arduino
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[18:58] <diverdude> Lejoni, ?
[18:58] <A_J_> hmm correct.
[18:59] <Jeebiss> A_J_: something like this
[18:59] <Jeebiss> http://www.amazon.com/3-5-Inch-TFT-Monitor-Automobile/dp/B0045IIZKU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1379696358&sr=8-4&keywords=lcd+screen+small
[19:00] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: do you know if there is drivers for the DSI on the RPi yet?
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[19:00] <Jeebiss> DSI?
[19:00] <IT_Sean> Noet yet, no, Lejoni.
[19:01] <IT_Sean> There will not be until the Foundation releases it's display module
[19:01] <Lejoni> Display Serial Interface I think it is. Its one of the flat ribbon connectros
[19:01] <Jeebiss> oooh
[19:01] <A_J_> i think i've narrowed it down to sense some information from outside
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[19:01] <A_J_> and print using java
[19:01] <A_J_> jframes and all
[19:01] <Lejoni> IT_Sean: Dose not the camera module connect to the CSI though?
[19:01] <A_J_> how's that
[19:01] <Jeebiss> http://elinux.org/RPi_Screens#DSI_port
[19:01] <IT_Sean> Lejoni: Yes. it does.
[19:02] <IT_Sean> which is an entirely different connector, with it's own, entirely seperate driver.
[19:02] <Jeebiss> A_J_: simplest thing you could do is stick to command line
[19:02] <Jeebiss> also, i wouldnt really suggest java on the pi
[19:02] <Jeebiss> its a bit resource intensive for the pi
[19:02] <Lejoni> I have a old LCD with a Controller card that connects to DSI. Got it from a old Photo Printer
[19:02] <rigid> i wouldn't suggest java on any platform :-P
[19:02] <A_J_> yea i've heard the JVM is heavy
[19:02] <Jeebiss> hey hey
[19:02] <Jeebiss> java isnt that bad
[19:02] <Jeebiss> lol
[19:02] <rigid> ;) it's fun bashing it
[19:02] <Jeebiss> A_J_ \: python is simple to use with the pi
[19:03] <Jeebiss> thats what i am using
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[19:03] <Lejoni> IT_Sean: and I suppose they are not going to release that untill they release an official LCD for the Pi?
[19:03] <IT_Sean> Bingo.
[19:03] <A_J_> Jeebiss i would have to learn python for that
[19:03] <Lejoni> Well I would need to get another Pi to play with that anyway. Do not want to messup my Mumble server ;)
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[19:04] <Lejoni> Maybe I can get the rev2 one next so I do not have to use a cellphone car holder to hold it in place
[19:05] <Lejoni> granted a old cellphone holder was a better choise than screwing in to my routers back
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[19:07] <A_J_> Jeebiss can i use adrino stuff for the pi ?
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[19:10] <Lejoni> A_J_: I think there is some extension board for the Pi that makes so you can use Arduino sheilds
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[19:11] <Lejoni> A_J_: like this: http://www.cooking-hacks.com/index.php/raspberry-pi-to-arduino-shield-connection-bridge.html
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[19:12] <Jeebiss> A_J_: what are you refering to specifically?
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[19:12] <Jeebiss> also, python is a really simple language
[19:13] <Lejoni> Jeebiss: It's an elegant language. I would not call it simple ;)
[19:13] <A_J_> Jeebiss stuff like this : http://dx.com/p/l298n-stepper-motor-driver-controller-board-for-arduino-120542
[19:13] <A_J_> http://dx.com/p/arduino-flame-detection-sensor-module-135038
[19:14] <A_J_> thinking a fire sensor which will trigger an alarm open doors using a stepper motor
[19:14] <A_J_> and record temprature
[19:14] <Jeebiss> that stuff would work, but you'd need to know how to communicate with it
[19:15] <Jeebiss> when people label stuff as arduino compents, they usually supply libraries
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[19:15] <Lejoni> The bridge I linked comes with libs for py so you can use native Arduino code
[19:15] <A_J_> hmm
[19:16] <A_J_> Jeebiss do you think the complexity is enough
[19:16] <Lejoni> err for Pi
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[19:16] <Lejoni> not py nessesarely
[19:17] <A_J_> Lejoni what do you think
[19:17] <Sonny_Jim> Learn C
[19:18] <Sonny_Jim> And play with hardware :-)
[19:18] <A_J_> i know C
[19:18] <Sonny_Jim> Bit outdated now, not many jobs for C, although Objective C++ (whatever it's called) is quite popular
[19:19] <A_J_> Sonny_Jim care to offer me some pointers
[19:19] <Sonny_Jim> *a_pointer
[19:19] <Sonny_Jim> jk
[19:20] <Lejoni> A_J_: about what?
[19:20] <A_J_> hmma system that sensors if there is a fire, sounds a buzzer, then open windows via a stepper motor and records tempratre
[19:20] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
[19:20] <Sonny_Jim> You don't want to open windows during a fire
[19:20] <Sonny_Jim> Fire needs fuel and oxygen
[19:21] <Sonny_Jim> Opening the windows = more oxygen
[19:21] <Lejoni> Sonny_Jim: I think Apple use Objectiv C a lot. C++ is object oriented as well. So is Python
[19:21] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, Obj C is the one that'll get you into mobile apps, which there seems to be a lot of jobs around for
[19:21] <A_J_> Sonny_Jim hmm okie. maybe opening doors ?
[19:21] <Lejoni> A_J_: have to agreen with Sonny_Jim here. You do NOT want to open windows during a fire
[19:21] <Sonny_Jim> Same thing
[19:22] <Lejoni> A_J_: Most automatic fire systems will close doors in case of a fire
[19:22] <Benguin> seals in the juices
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[19:22] <A_J_> they close doors so people can roast inside ?
[19:22] <Lejoni> A_J_: have you seen door that are help up with a magent lock?
[19:22] <Benguin> they don't lock the doors
[19:22] <Benguin> just close them; people can still leave
[19:22] <Sonny_Jim> Always test the door handle with the back of your hand before opening during a fire
[19:22] <Benguin> closing the doors decreases fire spread
[19:22] <A_J_> Lejoni well i found a unit to control stepper motors
[19:22] <Sonny_Jim> If it's hot, leave it closed and find another exit
[19:23] <A_J_> so was thinking why not
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[19:23] <PhotoJim> Benguin: and smoke spread too.
[19:23] <Lejoni> A_J_: Maybe you should have it controll a sprinkler system instead?
[19:23] <Lejoni> But then you do not want any bugs in your code lol
[19:23] <A_J_> hmm.. i'll look for a module
[19:23] <A_J_> i want this though : http://dx.com/p/51-mcu-scm-development-board-kit-149010
[19:23] <Bozza> Anybody got a link to anyone who managed to replace the wifi drivers of 8192cu to get either AP or monitoring mode working? Or both
[19:24] <A_J_> i can use the simple on led system for sprinker's
[19:24] <A_J_> but how would i make that
[19:24] <A_J_> a motor to pump water
[19:24] <Jeebiss> I have an orbit valve that controls my garden sprinklers
[19:24] <A_J_> what's an orbit valve
[19:25] <Lejoni> it's a valve in orbit
[19:25] <Lejoni> I think?
[19:25] <Lejoni> lol
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[19:25] <rigid> A_J_: i'm also thinking about doing a sprinkler system using a raspi... valves & moisture sensors (optimally RF)
[19:26] <rigid> iirc there already are some raspberry gardening projects
[19:26] <Jeebiss> http://rayshobby.blogspot.com/2010/06/minty-water-valve-controller.html
[19:26] <Lejoni> as fare as I can tell an orbit valve is a valve that only need to be turned 90deg to open/close
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[19:27] <Jeebiss> orbit is a brand name in my case
[19:27] <Lejoni> basicly has a ball with a hole in it
[19:27] <Jeebiss> sorry lol
[19:27] <Lejoni> oh ok
[19:27] <Lejoni> so I was right it is a valve in orbit lol
[19:27] <rigid> Jeebiss: why the voltage booster? is that guy powering the valves solenoid using the arduinos 3.3V??
[19:27] <rigid> i'm planning to use valves from a washing machine
[19:27] <Jeebiss> the valve need +/- 24v
[19:28] <Lejoni> MOSFET can handle that
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[19:28] <Jeebiss> he uses 2 mosfets
[19:28] <Lejoni> I built a circutry board that lets an Arduino controll 12 12v outputs
[19:29] <Jeebiss> well, he has his project entirely self contained
[19:29] <Kane> o/
[19:29] <Jeebiss> so, he boosts the battery to 24
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[19:29] <A_J_> there is a little bit of a problem
[19:29] <A_J_> i'm not in europe or usa
[19:29] <A_J_> i'm in asia
[19:29] <A_J_> so i wont get that stuff here
[19:29] <Lejoni> A_J_: why is that a problem everything is made there?
[19:29] <Jeebiss> lol
[19:30] <A_J_> Lejoni i wont get that water sprinker thing here
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[19:30] <Jeebiss> amazon
[19:30] <A_J_> but it does sound like a convincing project. detect fire
[19:31] <A_J_> sound buzzer on sprinklers and record temprature
[19:31] <Lejoni> A_J_: You might want to send that temperature somewhere else also. Might not be recoverable after the fire
[19:31] <A_J_> make a small scale model to show how it works
[19:31] <A_J_> hmm...
[19:32] <A_J_> i can say enclose the device in a safe location
[19:32] <Lejoni> create a free Google App Engine project and just have a simple script that stores it in a DB
[19:32] <A_J_> that would mean i need network connection.
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[19:32] <A_J_> hmm i'll think about that. but tell me how am i gonna get the sprinker system working
[19:32] <Lejoni> A_J_: true but thats usually easy
[19:33] <A_J_> i basically need a samll pump.
[19:33] <Lejoni> A_J_: Usually sprinkler system is built in to the building. the pump or acumilator tank need to be made for the building specifically
[19:34] <A_J_> hmm..
[19:34] <A_J_> yea but it would look nice if i could implement it in my project
[19:34] <A_J_> perhaps trigger an on and off switch
[19:34] <A_J_> of a sprinkler ?
[19:34] <Lejoni> should work with a small model just as demonstration
[19:35] <Lejoni> LOL have it trigger a water gun that is pointed at a candle that has the heat sensor over it. when it is lit it puts it out :)
[19:36] <Lejoni> A what program do you actually studdy at Uni?
[19:37] <A_J_> lmao
[19:37] <A_J_> Lejoni computer enginnering it seems
[19:38] <Lejoni> A_J_: you mean you're not sure?
[19:38] <A_J_> oh i am.
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[19:38] <A_J_> i'm in my final year
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[19:39] <Lejoni> I never went to Uni
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[19:39] <Lejoni> not even collage actually
[19:39] <A_J_> well i'm not sure what's in to usa standards
[19:39] <A_J_> but i think it's collage
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[19:40] <Lejoni> equivalent to highschool is what I have
[19:40] <PhotoJim> college not collage. collage is a type of art :)
[19:40] <A_J_> well when i finish this i gradurate
[19:40] <A_J_> Lejoni your smart mate. better than half our people
[19:40] <Lejoni> PhotoJim: see I cant even spell. Do you learn that at college?
[19:40] <A_J_> heh better than most.
[19:40] <PhotoJim> Lejoni: ideally, before college :)
[19:41] <Lejoni> damn
[19:41] <Lejoni> Im tost
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[19:41] <A_J_> i'll tell you guys a joke
[19:41] <Lejoni> toast sorry
[19:41] <A_J_> this girl i know, the teacher asks where are lan ports..
[19:41] <A_J_> the girl looks behind the monitor
[19:41] <A_J_> ...
[19:41] <Lejoni> hehe
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[19:41] <Lejoni> A_J_: Well if its an old iMac :)
[19:42] <A_J_> yea collage is good. but you need some brains
[19:42] <Lejoni> college
[19:42] <A_J_> lol it's a modern machine
[19:42] <A_J_> yes college
[19:42] <A_J_> seem's you can spell
[19:42] <Lejoni> No PhotoJim told me
[19:42] <Lejoni> Im dyslexic
[19:42] <A_J_> join the club
[19:43] <PhotoJim> no, dyslexia would be celloge
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[19:43] <PhotoJim> we just call it "university" here in Canada. a college here is a lesser learning institution.
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[19:44] <A_J_> boo jeebiss quit
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[19:44] <IT_Sean> actually, he ping'd out.
[19:44] <A_J_> hmm..
[19:45] <A_J_> okie how's this for an idea. a dorbell application with a screen, that records video
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[19:45] <PhotoJim> bbiab
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[19:46] <A_J_> Lejoni most audrino stuff works with the pi yea?
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[19:50] <Lejoni> A_J_: if you have the converter board I think it dose. I have never used it myself though
[19:50] <Lejoni> Now i need to go AFK ttyl
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[19:53] <A_J_> bye Lejoni
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> where did my afternoon go )-:
[20:01] <A_J_> oh wow it's gordonDrogon
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[20:02] <A_J_> hey gordonDrogon
[20:04] <A_J_> so gordonDrogon can i ask you a question
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[20:07] <A_J_> okie whats compatibilty with Arduino supplies with the pi.
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> the pi can run the normal arduino IDE and use usb serial to talk to an arduino. no real issue there.
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> although the ide is a bit slow, but it's usable.
[20:08] <A_J_> gordonDrogon was talking about sensors like this : http://dx.com/p/arduino-flame-detection-sensor-module-135038 and http://dx.com/p/meeeno-mn-eb-mq2gs-electronic-building-block-smoke-sensor-module-orange-silver-203801
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> that first one looks OK. it says it will run from 3 to 5v, so should be OK.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> digital output too, so easy.
[20:10] <A_J_> well gordonDrogon i'm making a collage project actually
[20:10] <A_J_> could need some advise.
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> the 2nd one doesn't say if it's analog or digital output though - would need to dig a bit deeper.
[20:11] <A_J_> what i've got till now i'm going to use a flame sensor to trigger a buzzer
[20:11] <A_J_> and say start and sprinkler system and record temprature
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> I presume you want these to run off the Pi rather than an Arduino?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> or run off Arduino and send data back to the Pi?
[20:12] <A_J_> yea
[20:12] <A_J_> nah run of a pi
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> well in-general if they're digital outptus and will run at 3.3v you should be fine.
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> you just need to write the code ;-)
[20:12] <A_J_> okie what language would be good to code
[20:12] <A_J_> i was thinking java
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> whatever you're most familiar with.
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> I do almost everything in C or BASIC.
[20:13] <A_J_> i can manage c,c++,java
[20:13] <A_J_> was told to stay away from java
[20:13] <A_J_> cause the jvm is heavy
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> my wiringPi library is all C but usable from c/c++ and others like java,python with various wrappers (which I don't maintain)
[20:14] <A_J_> yea i saw that earlier today, amazing work there
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi? thanks.
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[20:16] <A_J_> so any pointers on what i need and how do i get started
[20:16] <A_J_> i got the pi.
[20:16] <Lejoni> gordonDrogon: ah good I did not even think about that the Pi only supply 3.3v
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[20:16] * Lejoni is at home now
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> well, I just use vim to edit files and gcc to compile stuff - when it gets complex, then I use a makefile.
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> Lejoni, very important that :)
[20:17] <A_J_> gordonDrogon i need a breadboard i'm guessing
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> breadboards are good for quick prototyping.
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[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> veroboard ftw
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> yea, vero/strip/perf boards are good for more durable projects
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> oh and that 74hct244n worked a treat
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> plus the ability to solder ;-)
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> expensive stuff that veroboard though
[20:19] <Sonny_Jim> for what it is, anyway
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> yes, but you're paying for the convenience.
[20:19] <Sonny_Jim> Better than having crocodile clips dangling about the place...
[20:19] <Armand> Sometimes I enjoy.....
[20:19] <Armand> *cough*
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I've got a Pi in a box complete with breadboard in-front of me right now :)
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> plus keyboard.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> it's a neat little box.
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> http://www.fuze.co.uk/product/the-fuze-case-component-kit-for-raspberry-pi-pre-order/
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> one of those ...
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[20:21] <Armand> How does the keyboard connect?
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> it's usb.
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> one usb port is extended to the rear of the case - they're supplying a cordless mouse with it.
[20:22] <Armand> Why... does it have... Windows keys?? O_o
[20:22] <Lejoni> Hmm
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> Try buying a keyboard without them....
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> hm. the one I have doesn't.
[20:22] <Armand> lol
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> Besides, I call it the Tux key
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> or they've scrubbed it out!
[20:23] <Lejoni> I call it the Super key
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> I moved to gnome-3/shell for my desktop recently - it uses the windows key!
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[20:23] <A_J_> gordonDrogon thank you mate. i'll bother you if have any other questions. ty :)
[20:23] <Lejoni> Sonny_Jim: there is actually Keyboards sold that has a Tux instead of the Windows logo
[20:24] <Sonny_Jim> I have a small question about how the QPIO pins are initialised
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> if I'm here, feel free to ask.
[20:24] <Sonny_Jim> Lejoni: Try the range of Das keyboards, you can get all blank ones
[20:24] <Sonny_Jim> Like every key is blank
[20:24] <Sonny_Jim> Great for stopping people using your desktop
[20:24] <Lejoni> Sonny_Jim: I like my G510
[20:24] <A_J_> the das are awesome
[20:24] <A_J_> mx blues <3
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, it's never a good thing to rely on them being initialised at boot time - always set them the way you want.
[20:25] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, trouble is I think I'm going to have to build a time delay circuit that waits until the boot has finished, as it appears I can't rely on any of them being an out on boot
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> the I2C pins will be pulled high on boot.
[20:25] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> most of the gpio pins should be inputs with the pull-ups disabled, however... do check with the gpio readall command after boot...
[20:26] <Sonny_Jim> So if I send one of those to the OE on my buffer chip, that should stop it from working until I sink it low
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> hopefully..
[20:26] <Sonny_Jim> Considering my final aim is to drive 60V solenoids with it, I'll have to double/triple check anyway
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> yes...
[20:27] <Sonny_Jim> only gripe I have so far, can't set something in config.txt to setup the GPIO
[20:27] <Lejoni> Sonny_Jim: just have a py script autorun at boot
[20:27] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, but you see
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, no... best is to edit fake-hwclock in /etc/init.d to call the gpio program...
[20:28] <Sonny_Jim> That still means I could have 5 seconds of 60V flowing when I don't want to
[20:28] <Sonny_Jim> Even 100ms is too long
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> however it can be 2-4 seconds after boot before that gets run..
[20:28] <Sonny_Jim> I need to check with the SD card removed to see what outputs are constant
[20:29] <A_J_> gordonDrogon for a amatuer programmer. my project is doable right ? or am i aiming too high
[20:29] <Sonny_Jim> Hence why I'm going to have to have some kind of time delayed blanking circuit
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> A_J_, for some simple sensors - should be able to do something with them...
[20:29] <Lejoni> A_J_: Nah thats easy. Im an amature and I have done way more complex things :)
[20:29] <A_J_> kk. that's good news. ty
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, you can get mechanical time-delay relays...
[20:31] <Lejoni> Sonny_Jim: just put a couple of redstone repeaters on max delay between ;)
[20:31] <Sonny_Jim> Rather not go the mechanical route, as odd as that sounds
[20:31] <jda2000> Suppose I do manage to get my RPi running off of a hard drive with no SD card partition mounted. Would it be safe to change SD cards while the RPi is powered up and running?
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, you could probably make something with a 555 timer then - monostable mode.
[20:32] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, hooked into one side of an NAND with the other being a GPIO pin
[20:32] <jda2000> Answers from experienced people would be appreciated.
[20:32] <Sonny_Jim> output of the NAND goes to the OE of my buffer
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> jda2000, if root is on the hard drive, unmount /boot and off you do... not sure I'd recommend it though!
[20:33] <Sonny_Jim> won't mount -o remount / be handy here?
[20:33] <Lejoni> jda2000: why do you need to change SD cards?
[20:33] <jda2000> gordonDrogon, Right, the question is would the hardware be OK with it?
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> you can't easilly remount root to a new place once booted..
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> jda2000, probably... I've never tried, but I've heard of others trying the same thing.
[20:34] <jda2000> Lejoni, So I can prepare other SD cards while the system is up. W/O a USB SD card reader/writer.
[20:34] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[20:34] <Lejoni> gordonDrogon: chroot wont work?
[20:34] <Sonny_Jim> You'd need to boot into a tmpfs
[20:34] <Sonny_Jim> Wouldn't be easy
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> Lejoni, look up pivot_root
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> you can boot directly into a usb drive with root on the usb drive.
[20:35] <Sonny_Jim> Basically everything would have to live in RAM, with the bare minimum to switch over to another root
[20:35] <Armand> Sonny_Jim: I've seen the "ninja" keyboards with no markings.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> use the root= in /boot/cmdline.txt
[20:35] <Sonny_Jim> I did something similar many moons ago with DSLinux
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[20:36] <Sonny_Jim> You think Linux sucks with 512MB of RAM? Try running it in 4MB....
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> Eeee... when I wur a lad we ran Unix in 128KB....
[20:37] <Sonny_Jim> Oh this was at least 2.4
[20:37] <Sonny_Jim> I think we even made the move to 2.6 at one point
[20:38] <jda2000> And we ran DOS in 16K!
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> 16K Luxury!
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> I give you... 128 bytes. http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
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[20:38] <Sonny_Jim> From memory, your initrd contains a busybox and enough to mount and run pivot_root
[20:38] <Lejoni> I run linux in 32GB ram
[20:38] <Lejoni> plenty of space to move around :)
[20:38] <Sonny_Jim> I met a guy who was making his own computer with core memory
[20:39] <Sonny_Jim> I think he made it up to 16 bits
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> it's hard work hand-making core...
[20:39] <Sonny_Jim> One of the guys from Llamasoft
[20:39] <Lejoni> my first x86 PC was 32MB RAM
[20:40] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, I think I have some pinball schematics here that will have a blanking circuit I can pinch, pretty sure they use a 555 as well
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm not convinced the "usability" has improved - from that pdp11 with 128KB of core running Unix v6 to todays big boxes... I still use terminals, editors, C and Makefiles...
[20:41] <Sonny_Jim> If it works...
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[20:41] <jda2000> And we were Grateful!
[20:41] <Sonny_Jim> Jeez, flicking switches on a PDP11 to make it boot
[20:41] <Sonny_Jim> I was a decade past that, thank god
[20:42] <Lejoni> gordonDrogon: but I can record 1.5h of 1080p goodiness in to RAM now I could not do that then!
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> that was fun. although it was just 1730000 load address/run on the one I used.
[20:42] <Sonny_Jim> US Military still use PDP11's here and there
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> funny how you remember these things.
[20:42] <Sonny_Jim> Well, they did 5 years ago
[20:42] <jda2000> Switches! You had switches! Try programming a plug-board!
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> some nuclear plants still use them - they advertised recently for pdp11 programmers!
[20:42] <Sonny_Jim> It took me a while to remember what keys to press to get LOAD"" out of a ZX Speccy
[20:42] <Lejoni> program punch cards
[20:42] <Sonny_Jim> (J shift P P)
[20:43] <Sonny_Jim> BBC B is easy, Shift Break
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> Heh..
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> Apple II: PR#6
[20:43] <Sonny_Jim> oh btw, I did get BBC B Elite running quite well on the Pi with advancemess
[20:43] <Lejoni> Damn you guys are old ;) My first computer was a C64
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> My apple II: http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
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[20:43] <Sonny_Jim> I need to compile a stripped down advancemess binary and a HOWTO at some point
[20:45] * ozzzy had a VIC20 then a CoCo running OS9
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> the first I bought was a BBC B.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> actually, no. I have a TRS80-pocket computer.
[20:45] <Sonny_Jim> Sheesh, Mr Moneybags
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> and the MK14.
[20:46] <Sonny_Jim> I had to make do with the ones at school
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> I was working when I bought the Beeb.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> first used an apple II in '78. The beeb wasn't about until 82.
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[20:46] <Sonny_Jim> I think I had a ZX80, then a ZX Speccy, Speccy +, then managed to get a BBC B from somewhere
[20:46] <Sonny_Jim> Oh and a Sam Coupe, wish I still had that
[20:46] <Sonny_Jim> Sam Coupe = Speccy on steroids
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[20:47] <Lejoni> I was born with the beeb!
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> in 82?
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[20:47] <Lejoni> yes
[20:47] <jda2000> Computer! Hah! Why, all we had was an abacus and we had to carve the beads ourselves!
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> jda2000, beads? we had stones in the sand and had to be thankful...
[20:48] <Sonny_Jim> I even had a RiscPC with a 486dx coprocessor card
[20:48] <Sonny_Jim> Beefy
[20:48] <jda2000> And we were grateful!
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[20:48] <gordonDrogon> kids of today, ec.
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[20:48] <Sonny_Jim> Just think what £25 gets you nowadays
[20:48] <Lejoni> I wrote my first program in BASIC when I was 9 or 10 yo on my C64
[20:49] <Sonny_Jim> BBC B BASIC was awesome, you could drop into ASM right in the middle of a BASIC program
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> neat. I was 16 when the Apple II landed.
[20:49] <Sonny_Jim> One thing Acorn did do was nice APIs
[20:49] <Sonny_Jim> And gave us the ARM of course
[20:50] <Sonny_Jim> I like telling homophobes that the CPU in their pocket was designed by a transexual....
[20:50] <Lejoni> My first program was a login prompt using PIN and PUK code. Wasnt very secure though as all you had to do was to press Break to get past it :)
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/rtb/ for a new BASIC for the Pi ;-)
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[20:52] <Lejoni> Well my FIRST program was ofcourse 10 PRINT "MYNAME" GOTO 10. but the login prompt was the first I actually made myself and not copyed from a book :)
[20:53] <Lejoni> Then I had to go ask my mother what "save" was in english so I could save it to a kasset tape
[20:53] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[20:54] <Lejoni> Still have that tape somewhere
[20:55] <Lejoni> Still have the C64 as well. Have a really hard time getting rid of my old comps
[20:55] <Lejoni> still have my Amiga 2000 too
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[20:56] <Lejoni> Do not have my first x86 PC though. Was a Pentium II 233MHz with 32MB RAM.
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> Luxury
[20:57] <Lejoni> It came with windows 95. Less than a year later I discovered Linux though :(
[20:57] <Lejoni> err :)
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> I think it was around 2000 when I first got into it, did a LFS build on a spare Pentium I had knocking around
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> maybe I was just lucky to always have nice computers where I worked. the beeb at home was fun though. I bought an Arc A320 (I think) too.
[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> Three mouse buttons before it was cool
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> but didn't bother with anything for a long time after that until I bought a PC and put Linux on it... about 93/4 I think.
[21:00] <Sonny_Jim> Never did like the way the filesystem worked though, you could hide stuff in icons
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[21:03] <Lejoni> ok enough nostalgia for me. Need to get to bed so I wake up for work tomorrow too. Good night!
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[21:08] <ozzzy> the ones I wish I still had were a Wang MVP and a PDP11
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[21:08] <ozzzy> for no other reason that they were really cool
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[21:09] <Sonny_Jim> PDP11's are cool
[21:09] <Sonny_Jim> I'll admit that
[21:09] <Sonny_Jim> Nothing like the sight of a wirewrapped board
[21:10] <Sonny_Jim> You can simulate a PDP11 on the Pi, the name of the emulator escapes me though
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[21:21] <Moonboot> PDPi11?
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> Simh
[21:23] <Sonny_Jim> http://simh.trailing-edge.com/
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[21:28] <jda2000> In answer to one of my earlier questions. cmdline.txt is one of the files the NOOBS system allows you to edit on the way up so YES you can recover that file quite easily should you be tempted to fool with it.
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[21:29] <jda2000> And I am tempted to fool with it because I want to run raspbian completely off of a hard drive.
[21:30] <jda2000> For speed and SD card longevity.
[21:30] <sney> yeah, all you need to boot off the sd card is the kernel
[21:31] <sney> and MAYBE a tiny initrd
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[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> You'll need an initrd
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> Otherwise, all you have is a kernel sat there, waiting, all lonely
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[21:36] <Jusii> ei ollu mitä hain, tosta oli mun mielestä parempi esimerkki jossain tubessa
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> I don't think you need an initrd.
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> Jusii, english is the channel language, please.
[21:36] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, confused
[21:36] <Sonny_Jim> I don't understand how the kernel can do anything without an initrd
[21:36] <Jusii> oh sorry, cursor up and enter when wrong window was active
[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> You could ping it, I suppose..
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, in /boot/cmdline.txt you specify the location of the root filing system - as long as the kernel has the driver built-in, then it'll find it.
[21:37] <Jusii> it can mount rootfs and run init from there
[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[21:38] <Sonny_Jim> Makes sense
[21:38] <Jusii> you only need initramfs (formerly known as initrd) if kernel lacks something you need to mount rootfs
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> so if you want root on a usb drive, then root=/dev/sda1 (or wherever it appears) and off you go.
[21:38] <Sonny_Jim> Been a while since I mucked around with minimal Linux
[21:39] <Sonny_Jim> You'll always need an SD card to boot from though
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> however a for SD card wear - it's not a big issue..
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> and I suspect that under normal use it's really not something to wory about.
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> I've yet to wear one out in nearly 18 months of use now.
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> and if it does wear out - no big deal, I'mm buy another.
[21:40] <Sonny_Jim> Put a swap file on it and compile Gnome
[21:40] <Sonny_Jim> That should do it
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> I've compiled the kernel on one, as well as the rest of AMP (apache, mysql, php)
[21:41] <Sonny_Jim> I compiled MESS, that took nearly a week
[21:41] <Jusii> decent sd cards seem to work more reliable than I ever thought
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[21:41] <Jusii> did a 2 month test with almost constant write/delete, after 20TB writes I gave up
[21:42] <sney> the QA isn't amazing though, and with most SD-capable devices you wouldn't notice as much as when you're using it as an OS volume
[21:44] <jda2000> QA?
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[21:45] <sney> quality assurance. the tech hardware procedure of making sure what you just made isn't going to break in a week
[21:45] <sney> it's harder the higher production volumes are
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[22:11] <vence> Hey all
[22:11] <vence> how's it going
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[22:13] <sney> not bad
[22:13] <sney> working my way up to attempt #2 to hang the big screen monitor my pi will use to communicate to the world
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[22:19] <vence> I'm about to buy a raspberry pi from someone at school
[22:20] <vence> they were asking for $75 dollars with the plastic transparent case/adapter/hdmi cable
[22:20] <vence> would this be a fair price?
[22:20] <Jusii> what adapter
[22:20] <Jusii> power?
[22:20] <sney> I think that's pushing it
[22:20] <Sonny_Jim> For a 2nd hand device, sure
[22:21] <sney> raspberry pi brand new: $35, case: $10 maybe, dongles: $20 combined tops
[22:21] <sney> that's still just $65
[22:21] <sney> and this one is used
[22:21] <sney> offer him $50
[22:22] <Sonny_Jim> Point out to them for another $10 you could buy brand new and unscratched etc
[22:22] <vence> he bought it for 110 bucks from the university LOL. used it for a lab and than dropped the course
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[22:22] <Sonny_Jim> Does it come with an SD card?
[22:22] <vence> no unfortunately not
[22:22] <sney> well, he got hosed too, doesn't mean you have to. if you want one you can get one new
[22:22] <vence> I'm from Canada btw
[22:23] <ryanteck> You can likely buy it cheaper brand new
[22:23] <ryanteck> or for the same price
[22:23] <vence> oh I see
[22:23] <ryanteck> Just check around at what your local retailers are charging
[22:23] <sney> I also live in canada and spent maybe $60 on my pi with a sd card and shipping
[22:23] <sney> cables I already had
[22:23] <sney> they use micro-usb phone chargers, you know. easy to find spares.
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[22:24] <ryanteck> I think you should also get warranty as well if you buy it where as if it goes wrong then you can't then send it back.
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[22:34] <vence> thanks for the advice
[22:34] <vence> I just had a chat and told him I won't be interested unless he lowers the price
[22:34] <vence> What do you guys use your raspberry pi for?
[22:35] <Sonny_Jim> Cheap sdr box, learning GPIO and brushing up on C
[22:37] <vence> SDR?
[22:37] <ShadowJK> software define radio?
[22:37] <vence> Oh I see
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[22:38] <pksato> need to hook up some buttons to control SDR sw.
[22:38] <Sonny_Jim> Not great for it, but it's enough for messing around with
[22:38] <Sonny_Jim> pksato: the GPIO is very easy to code for
[22:39] <pksato> It is easy part.
[22:39] <Sonny_Jim> Or you could make it even easier and get something like an I-Pac
[22:39] <Sonny_Jim> USB keyboard emulator, a lot of MAME guys use it
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[22:41] <pksato> RPi, rtl stick, 2x16 LCD, and some hardware hacking, and have a 0Hz to 2.2GHz multi-mode radio reciever for ~$60.
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[22:59] <ryanteck> You don't even need an i-Pac
[22:59] <ryanteck> Keyboard hacking is much more fun
[22:59] <ryanteck> (and cheaper)
[22:59] <steve_rox2> whats i-pac supposed to be?
[23:00] <ryanteck> A HID acting as a keyboard that you can wire arcade buttons to
[23:00] <ryanteck> to make an arcade machine
[23:00] <ryanteck> or you can spend time mapping out a keyboard and have lots more fun! (But not always as good)
[23:00] <steve_rox2> ah i made one them out of a old keyboard
[23:01] <steve_rox2> yeah the mapping was fun
[23:01] <ryanteck> Yeah, I done it a few times
[23:01] <ryanteck> Twice with my dad, once on my own for a school project
[23:01] <steve_rox2> seems to be the cheapest solution
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[23:01] <ryanteck> I never have had ghosting on it, and lots cheaper so :D
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[23:02] <steve_rox> i hotwired the 8 relay board from rpi onto keyboard pcb
[23:02] <steve_rox> i was able to auto drive a tank using the rpi
[23:02] <steve_rox> and teach it how to do a few tricks
[23:03] <ryanteck> o.o
[23:03] <ryanteck> awesome
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> One word answer for keyboard hacks:
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> Ghosting
[23:03] <phantomcircuit> sigh
[23:03] <steve_rox> yeah i took it apart now tho , it was just a expermental insanity
[23:03] <phantomcircuit> stupid sdcard
[23:03] <phantomcircuit> power died and the fs is totally corrupted
[23:03] <ryanteck> Sonny_Jim "(22:01:47) ryanteck: I never have had ghosting on it, and lots cheaper so :D"
[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> Depends on the keyboard
[23:04] <ryanteck> Like I said, three different times. No errors
[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> I've done both and much preferred using an I-Pac
[23:04] <phantomcircuit> anybody have a suggestion for an sdcard? preferably a microsd one so it doesn't stick out
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[23:04] <ryanteck> Maybe one of the NOOBS cards that the foundation support?
[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> No messing around soldering onto tiny tracks, nice screw terminals and about $20 more than a keyboard
[23:04] <steve_rox> a better case so it doesent stick out?
[23:05] <steve_rox> not seen one of the "i-pac"
[23:05] <ryanteck> There not tiny! And I think it was a lot more than $20 in the UK
[23:05] <steve_rox> so not sure how easier it is
[23:05] <ryanteck> Well instead you just screw wires from buttons onto the terminals
[23:05] <ryanteck> so lots lots easier
[23:05] <Sonny_Jim> Tidier too
[23:06] <Sonny_Jim> But, depends what like doing
[23:06] <ryanteck> I remember when my teacher said "You will never be able to make that" xD
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[23:06] <Sonny_Jim> *what you like doing
[23:06] <Sonny_Jim> If you buy the input only one it's cheaper, I think the J-Pac has an onboard amp
[23:06] * Sonny_Jim looks at his 2 x arcade cabinets and 2 x pinball tables
[23:07] <steve_rox> think the only downside to useing a keyboard pcb is some only accept a limited ammount of keypresses at any one time
[23:07] * ryanteck looks at his GCSE work and thinks how awesome it was to prove the teacher wrong
[23:07] <Sonny_Jim> steve_rox: That was the part about ghosting
[23:07] <steve_rox> oh right
[23:07] <Sonny_Jim> Most USB keyboards are ok with it nowadays
[23:07] <ryanteck> Well yes but most keyboards can cope with many presses now. High speed gaming being one
[23:07] <steve_rox> the term ghosting means something else when in games
[23:08] <Sonny_Jim> Means a lot of things
[23:08] <Sonny_Jim> I remember ghosting mean you lived by a hill and your TV signal had outlines around it
[23:08] <Sonny_Jim> There's another good board that does rotary spinners as well, but that's a bit more.
[23:09] <Sonny_Jim> Absolute must for Tempest
[23:09] <ryanteck> I remember the first one my dad built had a trackball in it
[23:09] <ryanteck> and was gigantic due to CRT moniter
[23:09] <steve_rox> arcade games seem to look better on CRT for some reasion
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[23:10] <ryanteck> Well they were designed for it
[23:10] <steve_rox> bigger pixels i guess
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> Mmmmm big pixels ... :)
[23:17] <ryanteck> not 1920x1080!?
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[23:18] <ryanteck> Ok, I don't even have that now. I think my first was 1024x768
[23:18] <Sonny_Jim> It's because they were designed to look good on an CRT and took advantage of the blending of the pixels
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[23:19] <Sonny_Jim> 15Khz or go home, LCD can kiss my grits etc etc
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> I bought a new monitor recently. quite impressed with it. 24" 1080p thingy.
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[23:20] <Sonny_Jim> I love how everyone goes "Ooh, high def!", my first PC could do >1024x768 easily
[23:20] <Sonny_Jim> And that was nearly 20 years ago
[23:20] <ryanteck> I wasn't even born 20 years ago 0.o
[23:21] <Sonny_Jim> Although I did have work somewhere where we got to play with a 3840x2160 56" monster
[23:21] <Sonny_Jim> Google maps looked like a map
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[23:21] <Sonny_Jim> To zoom in, you moved your head closer to the screen (Like Kryten)
[23:22] <ryanteck> Wow
[23:22] <ryanteck> How I would love to be able to do that with one map...
[23:22] <Sonny_Jim> More pixels = more information to display
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> I was invovled with some hi def video some 20 years ago
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> the big issue was the cost of computer/video memory and the lack of speed for real-time processing.
[23:23] <Sonny_Jim> It was for an Air Traffic Control installation, they wanted to be able to monitor from the south of the UK, down to top of Spain and over to Russia on one picture. After 9/11 a *lot* of money was thrown at ATC
[23:23] <ryanteck> I had a Real 3D or something like that GPU along side my ATI!
[23:23] <ryanteck> It was cutting edge!
[23:24] <Sonny_Jim> Besides, medical monitors have been doing resolutions like that for years
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[23:24] <Sonny_Jim> X-rays, MRI etc
[23:24] <Sonny_Jim> So HiDef isn't new nor clever
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> I had 1280x1024x24bpp 20 years ago...
[23:25] <Sonny_Jim> Exactly
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> actually 32bpp as there was a separate 8-bit overlay.
[23:25] <Sonny_Jim> Even my old Archimedes could do HiDef
[23:25] <ryanteck> o.o
[23:25] <chod> colorcard
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> well - to a degree...
[23:25] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe a RiscPC
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> didn't the arc have 16-bit colour? memory was still expensive..
[23:25] <Sonny_Jim> *maybe*
[23:25] <Sonny_Jim> I think you could only do 256 colours
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> I seem to recall a 5:6:5 RGB pallet...
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[23:26] <chod> A3000 could do 16m
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> or maybe that was something else I was thinking of.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> company I worked for had 2 separate video products.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> I wrote all the drivers for one of them.
[23:27] <Sonny_Jim> Garth from Waynes World's brother wrote code for the VideoToaster and it was promoted by Wesley Crusher
[23:27] <Sonny_Jim> That's a weird history
[23:28] <ryanteck> my teacher at college was surprised when I said that the answer to all colours of HTML / CSS Hex = 16 Million
[23:28] <ryanteck> He was trying to break it down into chunks for the class. I spoiled his surprise
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> they were fairly fancy boards for the time. ah well. Toyota used them alongside the supercomputer they plugged into to render photo realistic images of their cars in various lighting - more for the maketing dept. than anything else - just so they could pick the right colour paint!
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[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> Niche industry is cool
[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> They say "Make us toys", you say "Sure!"
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> well we made the supercomputer to go with it - that was the main line of business!
[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> Shame about the Cray dude, died in a car crash didn't he?
[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> In a car that was designed on a Cray.....
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> was it?
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> no idea.
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> Allegedly
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> Jeep Wrangler I think
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> I always remember thinking that the C-shaped Crays were cool
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> They were the Crayons - we were the Meikons :)
[23:30] <ryanteck> 0.o
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> Had no idea it was to shorten signal paths
[23:30] <ryanteck> Tooo old for me :C
[23:30] <ryanteck> Oldest I remember was noddy wallpapers on windows 98
[23:30] <ryanteck> and Tonka games
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[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> I wish I had Lego mindstorm as a kid, that stuff looks amazing
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> this photo: http://unicorn.drogon.net/cs2.gif is one of the systems I worked on. It's 2m tall... but in the background of that photo is a Cray :)
[23:31] <ryanteck> I never got one of them
[23:31] <ryanteck> they were just, expensive
[23:32] <Armand> Sonny_Jim: and what's wrong with Lego Technic ?
[23:32] <ryanteck> and whats wrong with just a computer?
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> ours were L (or H) shaped to limit the length of the signal wires too - they ran diagonally under the floor.
[23:32] <ryanteck> xD
[23:32] <ryanteck> 0.o gordonDrogon
[23:33] <Armand> I'm soon going to be working in a brand new datacentre. :D
[23:33] <ryanteck> Awesome
[23:33] <Armand> Hell yeah.. We've got the false floor in, LV panels went in yesterday..
[23:33] <Armand> Just waiting on fat pipes and servers.
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[23:34] <ryanteck> Erm
[23:34] <ryanteck> TSOHost?
[23:34] <Armand> *cough* yes
[23:34] <ryanteck> xD, I buy my domains through you. Not the hosting. Too expensive :P
[23:34] <Armand> O_o
[23:34] <Armand> Not heard that before. :P
[23:35] <Sonny_Jim> Armand: It's pretty hard to hook up Lego Technic to a PC
[23:35] <ryanteck> Wasn't it Infared?
[23:35] <Armand> Didn't Mindstorms spin-off from Technic ?
[23:35] <ryanteck> Yeah I think it did
[23:36] <Sonny_Jim> Don't like the fact Lego now seems to just do 'novelty' boxes, like Star Wars lego etc
[23:36] <Sonny_Jim> Kinda defeats the point, having specific blocks
[23:36] <Armand> Meh..
[23:36] <Armand> Just bulk buy Technics kits. ^_^
[23:37] <ryanteck> But yeah. If the technics were infared then they must have been pretty easy
[23:37] <Sonny_Jim> I've got about 200 pieces of Scalectrix here, need to offload them onto a cousin
[23:37] <ryanteck> I used to make wallpapers for my dads old nokia all the time and put it on via infared
[23:37] <Sonny_Jim> Last time we set them all up it took like 2 minutes a lap
[23:37] <Armand> Sonny_Jim: Want to send those to Slough? :D
[23:38] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[23:38] <Sonny_Jim> Already promised them
[23:38] <Sonny_Jim> But you can bulk buy 'classic' scalectrix track pretty cheap
[23:38] <Sonny_Jim> This box was £40-or so from eBay
[23:39] <Sonny_Jim> The cars are still extortionate though, £25 is the cheapest
[23:39] <Sonny_Jim> And no one only has one car
[23:39] <Armand> Meh
[23:39] <Armand> I'm looking at getting my mitts on loads of bits for the new office.
[23:40] <Armand> Build a track in the server room. :D
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[23:41] <ryanteck> well I better go to sleep
[23:41] <steve_rox> have fun
[23:41] <Armand> Good idea, wish I could..
[23:42] <ryanteck> Cambridge Raspberry Jam tomorrow if any of you are there!
[23:42] <Armand> On 'til 12.
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[23:49] <jda2000> Can the RPi receive an Ethernet packet while a seek is executing on a USB attached hard drive?
[23:50] <PhotoJim> seems yes. I don't have any issues with packet loss on my Pis.
[23:50] <PhotoJim> might slow down the throughput, mind.
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[23:51] <jda2000> PhotoJim, Thx
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