#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-09-22

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[0:00] <Armand> Tis the internets... :P
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[0:01] <Romeo-> no more
[0:01] <Sonny_Jim> I'm having weird problems with a for (;;) loop
[0:01] <Romeo-> :) nsa it's watching you :D
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[0:03] <Sonny_Jim> http://github.com/sonnyjim/snesbot
[0:03] * ozzzy ccs all his email to info@nsa.gov just to save them the time/money of searching
[0:04] <Sonny_Jim> I've got the Pi GPIO pins hooked up to the controller port of a SNES
[0:04] <ozzzy> what voltage is the snes
[0:04] <Sonny_Jim> So far I can see it latching, but I think I'm being a bit too ambitious thinking it'll handle 12us delays
[0:04] <Sonny_Jim> I have a level convertor in there
[0:04] <ozzzy> good man
[0:04] <ozzzy> I use CD4050s
[0:04] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I'm using the Retropie GPIO adapter in 'reverse'
[0:05] <Sonny_Jim> It's supposed to be for SNES Controller -> Pi
[0:05] <Sonny_Jim> I'm using it Pi -> SNES console
[0:05] <Sonny_Jim> So in *theory* the levels should be ok, but it seems to be putting out 3.3v on the data port
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[0:10] <Hopsy> after the raspian update serial connection is not working, why?
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[0:33] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
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[0:44] <vinse> oh
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[1:16] <aquaticape> Hi. I have a 16GB SD card and created a 4GB vfat partition and a 12GB ext4 partition. I'm wondering, with the dd command, do I use of=/dev/sdc1 or of=/dev/sdc?
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[1:20] * ShorTie wonders why the special partitioning
[1:22] <aquaticape> I just didn't want 16GB of vfat, no real reason otherwise.
[1:23] <ShorTie> it would not be all vfat, just a very small portion
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[1:24] <ShorTie> a normal image write would end up being more like 99% ext4
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[1:25] <ring0> my /boot takes 56mb, the rest is ext4. just flash the image and expand the filesystem afterwards in raspi-config
[1:25] <aquaticape> ok, I didn't know the img would create the ext4 partition
[1:26] <aquaticape> thanks
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[1:27] <ring0> aquaticape, http://elinux.org/RPi_raspi-config
[1:30] <aquaticape> ring0: thanks!
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[1:31] <mist__> Evnin!
[1:31] <ring0> the script should start automatically on first boot and as you can see, the second option is 'expand_rootfs'
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[1:42] <ring0> aquaticape, the wiki on elinux http://elinux.org/RPi_Hub is quite extensive :)
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[1:59] <mist__> this might come as a strange question but does anyone have a raspberry pi with the camera installed that i could borrow/ssh into for the evning? I'm working nightshift and am bored as fck, thought i'd write a c++ application to automatically open my carport when the camera recognises the my numberplate ^^
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[2:07] <Sonny_Jim> Ooh err
[2:07] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty cool idea, but easily hackable
[2:08] <mist__> oh yeah, just walk next to it with an A4 with my registry number printed on it
[2:08] <mist__> lol =)
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[2:09] <mist__> i COULD also hook up a cantenna and use my iphone as identification, the combined result would open the carport
[2:10] <Sonny_Jim> Well, depends on how secure the car port is
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[2:11] <Sonny_Jim> But lets face it, the odds of a burglar figuring out they can open up your car port with a piece of paper is practically zilch
[2:11] <Sonny_Jim> The benefits of hetreogenus subsystems, or something
[2:12] <Sonny_Jim> ie If it's out of the ordinary, your ordinary criminal is going to leave it alone and go after what they know
[2:12] <mist__> tbh i don't think the loss of say my lawnmower would be such a big deal
[2:12] <Sonny_Jim> It's why car insurance is so ridiculous for older cars, they can't steal the new ones :-(
[2:12] <mist__> the carport in itself is not a securitysystem. Its only there to keep my car out of the weather.
[2:13] <Sonny_Jim> Sure
[2:13] <Sonny_Jim> You could do probably 60% of the work without access to a camera
[2:13] <Sonny_Jim> Find the font used on your rego plate, open up paint, feed that into an OCR system
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[2:14] <Sonny_Jim> Or
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[2:14] <Sonny_Jim> Go and take a picture of your car plate with your phone camera and use that as a test image
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[2:15] <mist__> to make it fast though i won't be dumping the images to disk but will get them off the camera directly. I'm assuming in some raw format?
[2:15] <mist__> so writing a file importer for jpeg would potentially be a waste of time
[2:15] <Sonny_Jim> Well, you don't need to write your own importer
[2:16] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty sure whatever language you pick there will be an image lib
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[3:57] <myndzi> what bits would i need to use my rpi to run a wifi access point that hosts a webserver?
[3:57] <myndzi> i'd like to bring it along as backup to a convention where i'm not sure if there will be internet access, but i've got a web app to help the refs manage scores and stuff
[3:57] <sney> just a wifi dongle and probably some kind of extra storage
[3:58] <sney> and sufficient power for both the pi and the wifi dongle
[3:58] <myndzi> the specific part i'm uncertain about is how to set up the networking
[3:58] <myndzi> i've got the dongles and the power etc.
[3:58] <sney> the drivers can be annoying since most usb wifi dongles require non-free firmware but once you're past that, any of the standard methods of setting up networking will work
[3:58] <myndzi> i've set the thing up as a wifi access point before but that was passing through to a real internet connection
[3:59] <sney> then it's the same process only without nat
[3:59] <myndzi> and preferably i wouldn't have to have people like, punch in ips
[3:59] <myndzi> mk
[3:59] <sney> add dhcpd, then
[3:59] <myndzi> and some kind of dns server?
[3:59] <sney> yeah. actually, I think dnsmasq can operate as a dhcp server and dns, though you'll have to double check
[4:00] <myndzi> will look into it, thanks
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[4:13] <j4jackj> Hi al
[4:13] <j4jackj> all
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[4:58] <jorb> does anyone know if a usb xbox 360 wifi controller would ever work on the pi ?.. probalby more of a general linux question sry if it is a stupid question here
[4:58] <Jeebiss> http://www.tiaowiki.com/w/How_to_config_USB_wifi_adapter_for_Raspberry_Pi
[4:59] <letstest> hi, i am having trouble with a usb sound card that i am using. i did something so that it no longer works. when i do aplay file.wav i get invalid value for card
[5:00] <letstest> anyone know what i shoudl do to fix this?
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[5:00] <Jeebiss> did you change the default?
[5:00] <Jeebiss> i always need to specify hw:1,0 for my usb sound card to work
[5:00] <letstest> i did before but i dont remember how i did it
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[5:00] <letstest> where do i set that?
[5:01] <letstest> asound.conf?
[5:02] <Jeebiss> ive never adjusted the default personally
[5:02] <Jeebiss> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=52106
[5:03] <letstest> thank you!
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[5:05] <letstest> cool , it works
[5:05] <letstest> i have to use sudo for some reason
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[5:19] <zero_coder> hey i cant use PWM in gpio
[5:19] <zero_coder> my RPi module version is 0.4.1
[5:21] <zero_coder> ??
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[5:22] <zero_coder> hello :)
[5:23] <mist__> zero_coder: in irc, ask, wait, wait, wait some more, hope you get answer
[5:24] <zero_coder> mist__, :)
[5:24] <zero_coder> mist__, u can help :)
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[5:42] <jeebiss> why would any powered hub have power through the data line?
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[7:09] <NoobiePi> Good evening everyone
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[7:11] <NoobiePi> Anyone active?
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[7:12] <PhotoJim> More or less.
[7:12] <NoobiePi> haha, I know the feeling sir.
[7:12] <PhotoJim> Heh.
[7:13] <NoobiePi> I had some relatively quick questions if you feel active more than less and feel comfortable answering them
[7:13] <PhotoJim> Well, we'll see if they're within my knowledge.
[7:13] <PhotoJim> and if not, be patient here and surely someone will eventually add their opinion or knowledge.
[7:14] <NoobiePi> I just got my Pi and am excited by the possibilities of what to do with it. I've done lots of software stuff before, but I want to play with the GPIO pins. I'm looking at things to purchase on Amazon and I've found some items I think would do the trick, but wanting to confirm before ordering.
[7:16] <PhotoJim> I've not done anything with GPIO I have to admit.
[7:16] <PhotoJim> but you can do a lot
[7:16] <NoobiePi> I know, that's what is so exciting.
[7:16] <PhotoJim> Heh
[7:16] <PhotoJim> indeed
[7:17] <NoobiePi> The media capabilities are cool, but I already have other solutions for that, so now just looking for a pet project to understand how circuits work from the ground up.
[7:19] <PhotoJim> sounds like a good start.
[7:19] <NoobiePi> *nod*
[7:20] <NoobiePi> Well, I'm going to be going to sleep soon, but I'll check in tomorrow. In the meantime, anyone who happens to read this who is familiar with GPIO manipulation, please feel free to PM me so I can respond with more detailed questions. Thanks!
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[7:21] <PhotoJim> absolutely. this is a good channel.
[7:21] <PhotoJim> people will help.
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[7:26] <j4jackj> The web is beautiful; you can change a page and it will update bang-on-time.
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[9:10] <j4jackj> Hi all
[9:13] <SirLagz> hi
[9:14] <j4jackj> Well, I am trying to help the devs of UNG/Linux...
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[9:27] <SirLagz> what linux partitions do you guys use normally ?
[9:27] <SirLagz> ext4 ?
[9:28] <j4jackj> EXT2 through EXT4.
[9:28] <SirLagz> anyone use anything exotic ?
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[9:48] <SirLagz> echo "/////home/sirlagz/Pi/" | sed "s|^[a-zA-Z0-9\./]\+\.\.||g" <-- why does that sed not get rid of the beginning slashes ?
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[11:05] <rendar> i connected my raspberry to tv, started a divx playing with mplayer (or even vlc) but the audio goes out of sync with video which is slow and often freezes, is that because rasp is too slow for divx?
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[11:15] <a7x> rendar, i really don't think so
[11:15] <a7x> which kernel?
[11:17] <rendar> hmm 2.6.30 iirc
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[11:30] <ShorTie> rendar, if you think the rPi is getting over loaded, top or htop may give some insight
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[11:36] <rendar> ShorTie: i'll try, but as far as i saw, only the mplayer (or vlc) were at the top
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[11:36] <rendar> there were no others stuff sucking cpu
[11:37] <tanuva> Don't you need to use omxplayer to have hw accelerated video?
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[11:39] <rendar> tanuva: dont know, do i?
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[11:39] <tanuva> At least that's what I heard of. Not sure if mplayer can to that, too
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[11:48] <ShadowJK> Yeah it's only omxplayer that can use the proprietary hw accel
[11:48] <ShadowJK> normal players only run on the cpu, which is way too slow for decoding video
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[13:54] <lord4163> Why can't I turn up my volume with mocp anymore?
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[13:56] <Kane> hello o/
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[13:58] <SirLagz> hi kane
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[13:58] <Kane> SirLagz o/
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[15:04] <SirLagz> woo...PiParted auto image resizer script finished...who wants to test it ? :D
[15:05] <patagonicus> SirLagz: bash? If so I'd like to take a look at it. But I don't have any cards lying around so I won't be able to run it.
[15:05] <SirLagz> patagonicus: whiptail/bash script yes.
[15:06] <SirLagz> the auto image resizer bit of it runs on image files, so you don't need cards :)
[15:07] <SirLagz> actually it's not ready...i think i messed something up lol.
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[15:11] <SirLagz> patagonicus: you can have a look at my other resizer script though that I wrote in bash
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[15:13] <patagonicus> SirLagz: Well, give me a link. :)
[15:14] <SirLagz> patagonicus: I haven't had much feedback on the script though, so make sure you backup any image files that you experiment with
[15:14] <SirLagz> http://sirlagz.net/2013/03/10/script-automatic-rpi-image-downsizer/
[15:15] <SirLagz> you probably want to change this line though - minsize=`echo $minsize+1000 | bc`
[15:15] <SirLagz> change that to +30000
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[15:17] <patagonicus> Hmm, I'll take a closer look at it later, but it doesn't look too bad. However, I think it'll break if the image file path contains a space.
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[15:21] <NoobiePi> Anyone in here familiar with GPIO manipulation on the pi?
[15:23] <BurtyB> most likely
[15:25] <NoobiePi> Well, I have some kind of specific questions about it. I'm familiar with software stuff, but just entering the wiring side of things.
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[15:29] <NoobiePi> BurtyB, you comfortable with the GPIO pins?
[15:30] <mgottschlag> NoobiePi: well, just ask the questions
[15:30] <NoobiePi> Sorry. I'm trying to find out what I should order as far as starter kits. I have found quite a few things on Amazon that I believe would work, but I'm not positive and don't want to order them until I know.
[15:32] <mgottschlag> what did you plan to order?
[15:33] <NoobiePi> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D9MK150/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ADHH624DX2Q66
[15:33] <NoobiePi> It says it's for Arduino, but I don't believe there would be an issue with cross compatibility
[15:33] <mgottschlag> looks good to me
[15:34] <NoobiePi> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003B22UR0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3SC7BPT5ZUZY6
[15:34] <NoobiePi> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005H8MWS8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2E0IHQCUI9LTK
[15:36] <NoobiePi> How about those 2? Will those work as well?
[15:36] <mgottschlag> NoobiePi: if you have an electronics shop somewhere in your region, that looks good to me, otherwise you should maybe think about getting larger component kits e.g. from ebay
[15:36] <mgottschlag> the display should work - but it seems to be 5v
[15:36] <NoobiePi> So it would require an external power source, correct?
[15:36] <mgottschlag> the pi is 3.3V, should be possible to make it work though
[15:37] <mgottschlag> no, but maybe level conversion for the communication signals (not necessarily complex, maybe two resistors are enough)
[15:38] <mgottschlag> the pi has 5v power on the gpio connector, but everything else is 3.3v
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[15:39] <NoobiePi> Ah
[15:39] <NoobiePi> I'm totally noob when it comes to the EE stuff
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[15:40] <NoobiePi> Did some digital logic stuff for school, but outside of that all of my experience is software
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[15:43] <mgottschlag> it issimple to get a 3.3v logic signal from a 5v one (display -> pi), but 5v from 3.3v might be more complex, you need to check whether the display recognizes 3.3v as logic 1 already (somewhere in some datasheet for the display)
[15:43] <mgottschlag> 5v->3.3v is a simple voltage divider
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[15:47] <Encrypt> mgottschlag, Or a few LEDs :)
[15:48] <tanuva> LEDs are the solution to everything.
[15:48] <Encrypt> :)
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[15:50] <NoobiePi> Alright, so I found the data sheet and it says it requires voltage between 2.7 and 5
[15:52] <NoobiePi> I'm not seeing the 3.3v as logic 1 spec though (not really sure where to look for it, however)
[15:53] <mgottschlag> link to the datasheet?
[15:53] <NoobiePi> https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/LCD/HD44780.pdf
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[15:57] <mgottschlag> NoobiePi: page 48
[15:58] <NoobiePi> What am I looking for here?
[15:58] <mgottschlag> input high voltage (except OSC1)
[16:01] <NoobiePi> So min is .7 and max is between 2.7 and 4.5?
[16:01] <mgottschlag> min is 0.7*whatever you use as the supply voltage
[16:01] <mgottschlag> and max is the current supply voltage
[16:01] <NoobiePi> Ah
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[16:02] <NoobiePi> So that means this would work since 3.3 is in that range?
[16:02] <mgottschlag> (same with the pi - supplying more than 3.3 to any GPIO pin might fry it)
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[16:03] <mgottschlag> well, 0.7*5V is 3.5V, but that is *probably* close enough
[16:03] <mgottschlag> those numbers are usually given with quite some error margin
[16:03] <NoobiePi> So adding a resistor that would reduce that .2V would be better
[16:04] <mgottschlag> no, we are talking about a 3.3v signal which should be above 3.5V to trigger a logic 1 in the display
[16:04] <mgottschlag> so you'd have to *add* 0.2V
[16:04] <NoobiePi> Ahhh
[16:05] <mgottschlag> which is a bit more difficult and could be done with two transistors and two resistors, or an opamp, or a dedicated level shifter
[16:05] <NoobiePi> Sorry if this is taking a second, we covered gates but not so much on the voltages.
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[16:05] <NoobiePi> But it should work OoB?
[16:05] <mgottschlag> but I'd only do that if it proves to be necessary
[16:05] <mgottschlag> the other way round (5v from the display) can be done with two resistors
[16:06] <mgottschlag> I can't say for sure
[16:06] <NoobiePi> Okay, I can tinker with it. You've been a great help mgottschlag!
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[16:07] <mgottschlag> you could also just get a 3.3v display though :)
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[16:10] <NoobiePi> Probably what I'll end up doing. Just going to shelf that idea for now.
[16:10] <NoobiePi> Anything else you would recommend for a beginner?
[16:11] <NoobiePi> The kit seems to be a good starting point, but is there anything it's lacking that I shouldn't be without?
[16:11] <mgottschlag> hm, not now, but you probably want a multimeter somewhere in the near future (as soon as you start debugging electronics)
[16:12] <NoobiePi> That is actually already covered
[16:12] <NoobiePi> As well as a soldering iron
[16:12] <mgottschlag> maybe 1-2 opamps and a couple of capacitors
[16:12] <mgottschlag> but that isn't that important, you'll notice once you need them :)
[16:12] <mgottschlag> it all depends on what you want to do
[16:13] <NoobiePi> Opamps take 1 signal and split it in 2? Or just double the signal?
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[16:14] <ShadowJK> Various amplification functions
[16:14] <mgottschlag> opamps can do *a lot* once you find out how they work - they can do anything from just amplifying the signal to integrating or differentiating it, just with a couple of additional parts
[16:14] <NoobiePi> Wow, very cool.
[16:14] <mgottschlag> but that's analog stuff
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[16:15] <NoobiePi> Not digital
[16:15] <NoobiePi> Any sites/books you would recommend for teaching myself?
[16:15] <mgottschlag> hm, now that I look at it from that point - that kit has a bunch of sensors, those aren't usable with the pi
[16:16] <mgottschlag> they are analog as well - you want at least an analog-digital-converter (ADC) for SPI/I2C to use them
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[16:19] <mgottschlag> also, I learned electronics by helping my gf through their ee exam (she is a mechanical engineer), so I can't recommend any books, because I never used any
[16:19] <NoobiePi> Ah
[16:19] <NoobiePi> haha
[16:19] <NoobiePi> Second hand education ftw
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[16:29] <Dooley> Hi guys
[16:29] <Vanfanel> hi Dooley
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[16:30] <Dooley> I'd like to share a couple of pictures from my finished project
[16:30] <EpixP0ison> working on a micro OS for the PI basicly removing loads of packages ect ect obviously this isnt good if you plan to use the PI for development ect due to so many libs gone but i plan to use mine for bitming so the less crap the lower i can put the cpu clock and more power i can give to my usb miner also my hope is being able to use cheaper shittier SD cards that are smaller so overall saving money and saving
[16:30] <EpixP0ison> watts for the usb miner
[16:30] <alcides> sure
[16:30] <Dooley> http://i.imgur.com/gXckH77.jpg
[16:30] <Dooley> http://i.imgur.com/eYebmQy.jpg
[16:30] <Dooley> http://i.imgur.com/ch3d61i.jpg
[16:31] <EpixP0ison> i started with 676 packages
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[16:31] <EpixP0ison> remove about 300 already
[16:31] <Encrypt> Dooley, Nice!!!! :)
[16:31] <Encrypt> Do want :p
[16:31] <Encrypt> Dooley, Is it an e-ink screen?
[16:31] <NoobiePi> Very very cool Dooley
[16:31] <Dooley> yes it is
[16:32] <Dooley> it's the unit from embedded artist
[16:32] <Encrypt> :))
[16:32] <EpixP0ison> when i did this on my vps with just essentual packages i used about 4mb ram so i should be able to do the same for the pi
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[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> bitmining on the Pi is a stupid idea
[16:36] <patagonicus> EpixP0ison: Why not start with a distro that is already small? 676 packages for a base system is huge.
[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> And having packages on the SD card doesn't make the CPU any slower....
[16:36] <patagonicus> Sonny_Jim: That's why (s)he said USB miner.
[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> AH ok
[16:36] <EpixP0ison> no it dosnt :p
[16:37] <EpixP0ison> but it saves SD space
[16:37] <Sonny_Jim> Disk space is cheap
[16:37] <EpixP0ison> i just used the default debian 6
[16:37] <EpixP0ison> true but on large rigs
[16:37] <Sonny_Jim> 1TB is what, £70?
[16:37] <EpixP0ison> were talking about 100 - 200 pi's so 100 - 200 SD's
[16:37] <EpixP0ison> ever � counts
[16:37] <Sonny_Jim> Buy an FPGA rig and throw the Pi in the bin
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[16:37] <Sonny_Jim> Use the right tool for the job
[16:37] <patagonicus> Can't you just get a large USB array or something?
[16:38] <EpixP0ison> could do powered usb ports
[16:38] <EpixP0ison> but my plan is to rent the pi with the miner
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[16:38] <EpixP0ison> as vm isnt a option
[16:38] <NoobiePi> What's your inital investment on that Epix, and what ROI are you looking at?
[16:38] <EpixP0ison> this kinda is the best bet
[16:39] <EpixP0ison> it all depends
[16:39] <EpixP0ison> i will work on the os with just 1 then buy 10 see if they sell if so buy 100
[16:39] <NoobiePi> Ah ha
[16:39] <EpixP0ison> rent them for about 10 USD pm
[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> Glad I'm not your bank manager....
[16:40] <EpixP0ison> lel money wasnt the goal really
[16:40] <NoobiePi> And how many BC does one Pi generate in a month?
[16:40] <EpixP0ison> well it generates about $5 a month
[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> At current rates
[16:40] <EpixP0ison> so it works out about $5 for the pi
[16:40] <EpixP0ison> but then of course the pi can do more then just bitmine xD
[16:40] <EpixP0ison> webserver + miner + w.e. else and so on
[16:41] <dowlf> there is so much coin mining hardware shipping now that the difficulty is going way up, so the payouts are going way down
[16:41] <Sonny_Jim> ^^
[16:41] <Sonny_Jim> This
[16:41] <EpixP0ison> true indeed
[16:41] <NoobiePi> Right, but would you want it running other functions using CPU clock? Wouldn't that reduce the mining efficiency?
[16:41] <EpixP0ison> thats when i will ocnsider clustering
[16:41] <EpixP0ison> shouldnt do
[16:41] <patagonicus> Wait, so I'd pay ~$5 on average for a Pi with a small SD card ($10 - what the miner generates). I'd rather get a VPS or something for that.
[16:41] <Sonny_Jim> NoobiePi: You'd be insane if you thought you'd get a return on mining on the Pi alone
[16:42] <patagonicus> NoobiePi: No, a USB miner generates the coins, the Pi doesn't do any number crunching.
[16:42] <EpixP0ison> as the mining is on the miner
[16:42] <EpixP0ison> :p
[16:42] <NoobiePi> Ah
[16:42] <EpixP0ison> which is about �25
[16:42] <EpixP0ison> :3
[16:42] <NoobiePi> Sorry, still new to all of this
[16:42] <dowlf> usb block erupters don't really use much cpu at all, they do all the work
[16:42] <EpixP0ison> ^indeed
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[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> If you are spending £500+ on a decent FPGA miner, then you can afford to spend more than £25 on the controller
[16:43] <EpixP0ison> again renting
[16:43] <EpixP0ison> so i woul;d have to buy 10 + miners
[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> Honestly, I think you are going about this totally the wrong way
[16:44] <EpixP0ison> well
[16:44] <EpixP0ison> there is 1 other way
[16:44] <EpixP0ison> 1 pc with 10 vms with 10 miners
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[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> That's the way I'd go
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> But no need for VM's
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> And why rent?
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> Just keep the BCs for yourself
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[16:45] <EpixP0ison> lol because bitcoins vary to much
[16:45] <dowlf> I've got 6 block erupters going at about 2Gh/s, I'll just let it go for a few years and then see what I can do with the bitcoins I accumulate then
[16:45] <EpixP0ison> when you rent the rates stay the same
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[16:45] <dowlf> I've got almost 3 now
[16:45] <NoobiePi> If BCs vary so much, why am I (or anyone else) going to pay 10 a month for an underpowered VPS?
[16:45] <EpixP0ison> where as with bitcoins if you mine for ages and they go down to $0.10 your screwed
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[16:45] <Sonny_Jim> Start small, buy more rigs with the money you generate and hope you stay ahead of the curve
[16:45] <Sonny_Jim> exactly
[16:46] <Sonny_Jim> No one is going to take that risk
[16:46] <EpixP0ison> NoobiePi thats down to the user but its not just a single perpose of course
[16:46] <dowlf> no way to stay ahead of the curve now, there is just too much hardware, it is for the big boys now
[16:46] <EpixP0ison> some vps companyus charge about $10 + for a crappy 128mb vps :/
[16:46] <pksato> that is profitability of bitmining? How many spend to get 1coin?
[16:47] <NoobiePi> Well, some people don't know how to use Google properly.
[16:47] <EpixP0ison> lel#
[16:47] <EpixP0ison> gooogle.com i can use it properly
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[16:48] <NoobiePi> You can, but people who pay 10 dollars for a 128 mb VPS can't.
[16:49] <NoobiePi> Plus, what kind of bandwidth do you have to be able to support users? That would be another expense.
[16:50] <Hopsy> can someone help me http://puu.sh/4xtjT/d56790ef08.png ?
[16:50] <Hopsy> { internet } -> {wlan -> pi -> eth0 } -> { pc }
[16:50] <EpixP0ison> well i havnt quite got that far yet i have a friend who owns a homemade datapubcenter :/
[16:50] <Hopsy> trying to make a bridge
[16:51] <EpixP0ison> he has unlimited and i could buy blocks of ips nice and cheap
[16:53] <Cultist> Quick question, how well does the pi handle high def video playback?
[16:53] <EpixP0ison> define "well"
[16:53] <EpixP0ison> and define "high def"
[16:53] <EpixP0ison> 1080 720 UHD
[16:53] <Cultist> say a 1080p BRD rip
[16:54] <Cultist> can it do it without skips and pauses?
[16:54] <EpixP0ison> in theory
[16:54] <EpixP0ison> but it wont be as good as what some would expect. it all depends on what your used to
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[16:55] <EpixP0ison> if you used to like some fucked up 4x 680 crossfire setup
[16:55] <EpixP0ison> then no
[16:55] <EpixP0ison> the fps might be noticable
[16:55] <Cultist> Well for comparison, I was using an Asus gaming laptop running Linux for movies and music
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[16:56] <EpixP0ison> which im gussing you would get over 30 fps on 1080ps?
[16:56] <Cultist> but I had a backup pi that was just sitting there so I decided to throw it on hdmi and use it for that stuff instead
[16:56] <Cultist> I've never looked at the framerate, but probably
[16:56] <EpixP0ison> well it can play 1080p but it wont be like.... GREAT!
[16:57] <EpixP0ison> never tested the fps on a 1080p on the pi but ima have a stab in the dark at 15 - 20
[16:57] <EpixP0ison> could be wrongf
[16:57] <Cultist> most of what I watch is 720 or lower anyway
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[16:57] <patagonicus> I'm pretty sure the Pi can handle 30fps for 1080p if it's h.264
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[16:57] <EpixP0ison> ^
[16:57] <EpixP0ison> take his advice
[16:58] <EpixP0ison> i dont normally use the pi with a gui i was just making esitmates
[16:58] <patagonicus> Sound is another problem: If your playback device can't decode it itself the Pi will have to which can cause problems.
[17:00] <Cultist> I didn't think that would be a problem, since it's going to be running through hdmi
[17:00] <Cultist> and will essentially just be another linux box, as far as dac is concerned
[17:01] <patagonicus> Well, I have a very cheap projector (~100€ Acer C20, non-HD), that one can't decode audio afair. Most TVs and better projectors should, though.
[17:02] <Cultist> it'll be going through my surround sound
[17:02] <Cultist> Hopefully it will work just fine
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[17:10] <Hopsy> sooo how do I create a bridge :')
[17:11] <Armand> Ropes and wood.. ?
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[17:13] <Hopsy> I need to find good wood, otherwise it will disintegrate Armand
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[17:13] <Sonny_Jim> Any idea roughly how long a kernel compile takes on the Pi?
[17:13] <Armand> Long...
[17:13] <Hopsy> 1 hour
[17:14] <Sonny_Jim> That's not too bad
[17:14] <Sonny_Jim> It took me nearly a week to compile MESS...
[17:14] <Hopsy> lol
[17:14] <Hopsy> :D
[17:15] <Hopsy> Sonny_Jim: maybe you know how to make a bridge connection :(
[17:15] <Hopsy> this is my setup { internet } -> {wlan -> pi -> eth0 } -> { pc }
[17:15] <Sonny_Jim> My SNESBot needs greater precision and to do that I need to put it in the kernel
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[17:15] <Sonny_Jim> That's easy
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[17:16] <Sonny_Jim> Use a standard home router guide but swap eth0 and wlan0
[17:16] <Hopsy> Sonny_Jim: http://puu.sh/4xtjT/d56790ef08.png
[17:16] <Sonny_Jim> So in the guide, where it says wlan0, use eth0
[17:16] <Sonny_Jim> Why do I need to look at that?
[17:16] <Hopsy> because I did that
[17:16] <Sonny_Jim> So what's the png for?
[17:17] <Hopsy> what you are explaining now
[17:17] <Hopsy> screenshot of my terminal
[17:17] <Sonny_Jim> A what?
[17:17] <Sonny_Jim> Use pastebin
[17:17] <Hopsy> route
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[17:19] <Hopsy> Sonny_Jim: http://pastebin.com/YVAgwdfg
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[17:20] <Sonny_Jim> Hopsy: You are better off asking someone else
[17:20] <Hopsy> why
[17:20] <Sonny_Jim> Because I didn't come in here to help you
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[17:22] <BCMM> Hopsy: what are you trying to do exactly? share the pi's wireless connection with a PC over ethernet?
[17:22] <BCMM> there's two ways to do that :)
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[17:22] <BCMM> bridging is nicest, if your wireless driver and hardware support it. NAT is easiest to set up
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[17:23] <BCMM> (but means that other machines on the wlan can't directly open connections to the PC)
[17:23] <Hopsy> BCMM: no wireless to lan, so the other direction
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[17:24] <BCMM> Hopsy: the PC is connected to the Pi's ethernet port, right?
[17:24] <BCMM> and gets its internet through the pi?
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[17:25] <Hopsy> currently no, but that is the idea yes
[17:25] <Hopsy> this is my setup BCMM { internet } -> {wlan -> pi -> eth0 } -> { pc }
[17:25] <BCMM> Hopsy: do you know how to set up the connections, apart from the sharing bit?
[17:26] <Hopsy> owh, I have also a switch between the pi and pc
[17:26] <BCMM> i mean, ips, gateways, hostmasks?
[17:26] <Hopsy> yes, but I fail in the bridging part
[17:26] <BCMM> Hopsy: ok, i must admit i don't understand what your physical setup is here, but are you trying to route network traffic through the pi?
[17:27] <Hopsy> yes exactly
[17:27] <pksato> Hopsy: install bridge-utils
[17:27] <pksato> create a bridge, brctl addbr br0
[17:27] <BCMM> Hopsy: easiest solution: use different subnets on each side of the pi, and use iptables to do NAT on the pi http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html
[17:27] <Hopsy> pksato: is that brctl
[17:28] <Hopsy> owh crap haha :p
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[17:28] <BCMM> Hopsy: you could also bridge the connections, which is a little more effort but allows incoming connections to the machine behind the pi
[17:28] <pksato> add interfaces to br0, brctl addif br0 eth0 wlan0 (probable, fail)
[17:28] <BCMM> however, bridging won't work on all drivers
[17:28] <pksato> ah, before addif, down interfaces.
[17:29] <Hopsy> I tried this pksato http://users.sdsc.edu/~glockwood/sa/rpi-wifi-bridge.php
[17:29] <pksato> let her try. :)
[17:29] <BCMM> because some wireless drivers/hardware can't recieve packets addressed to the "wrong" ip address
[17:29] <Hopsy> and the bash script in the commands here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlLLmacDqJU
[17:30] <BCMM> Hopsy: also, you'll presumably want to find a way to make what you're doing permenant, and i'm a noob when it comes to /etc/network/interfaces (i mostly use gentoo), so you'll have to get somebody else to advise on that
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[17:30] <pksato> if need to access bridge device, set ip to br0 (not on wlan0 of rth0)
[17:30] <BCMM> Hopsy: the main problem i had with bridging is realising that the hardware network interfaces that make up the bridge do *not* have IP addresses in a bridged setup. the *bridge* has an IP address.
[17:30] <pksato> ip addr add 192.168.123.4/24 dev br0
[17:31] <Hopsy> pksato: are you familiar with the 'route' command?
[17:31] <BCMM> pksato: that won't persist across reboots, he needs to setup /etc/network/interfaces or something to make the bridges on bootup
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[17:32] <pksato> Hopsy: link is not about bridge.
[17:32] <pksato> Yes. need to set bridge on interfaces.
[17:33] <BCMM> Hopsy: yeah, the link misuses the word "bridge". it is really "raspberry pi as a NAT router"
[17:35] <Hopsy> hmm okay, now I am more stuck then before
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[17:36] <bts__> hello
[17:36] <pksato> if you have luck and can add wlan0 as bridge interface. you bridge may be is working.
[17:37] <AugurNZ> hi all, could someone from the RaspberryPi foundation possibly upload a copy of the RasperryPi logo to Wikimedia Commons? I'd like to use the logo in a Userbox on Wikimedia projects, like Wikipedia, but currently I'd need a fair-use rational, and fair-use images are impractical for userboxes.
[17:37] <bts__> is anybody experienced with ili9320 lcd driver?
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[17:58] <BCMM> AugurNZ: this channel probably isn't a great way to contact the foundation...
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[18:18] <AugurNZ> BCMM, thanks for that.
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[18:25] <Hopsy> pksato and BCMM shouldnt this work? http://puu.sh/4xxgr/b0691bc269.jpg
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[19:06] <BCMM> AugurNZ: can't tell if that was sarcastic, but i meant that, as far as i know, the foundation people don't hang out here
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[19:07] <AugurNZ> BCMM, not sarcastic at all, I appreciated the reply. Thanks.
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[19:16] <shiftplusone> BCMM, they drop by, but rarely.
[19:17] <shiftplusone> but this isn't a good place to contact them. Email, send a PM or start a forum thread.
[19:18] <shiftplusone> What are userboxes though? O_o
[19:18] <shiftplusone> Doesn't sound like a use they'd allow.
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[19:21] <AugurNZ> shiftplusone, a userbox is a small box on a userspace profile page that indicates that the user likes/uses/contributes using a particular thing.
[19:22] <shiftplusone> ah
[19:22] <shiftplusone> and fair use doesn't cover that?
[19:23] <AugurNZ> fair use is discouraged on Wikipedia. Open licenses are preferred, especially for userboxes that many user may add to their own userspace page.
[19:24] <AugurNZ> otherwise every user that adds the userbox to their profile would need to provide a fair-use rationale for it.
[19:24] <shiftplusone> makes sense, thanks.
[19:25] <shiftplusone> If it's uploaded to wikimedia commons, wouldn't they kind of lose their ability to enforce the trademark though?
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[19:25] <AugurNZ> I'm not experienced in legal matters to comment on that, sorry
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[19:30] <shiftplusone> Well what are the licensing options for wikimedia? I am guessing it would be Creative Commons, and that would allows people to slap the pi logo on their projects (unless it's CC-NC-*) or misrepresent the pi. So I don't think it's going to happen. Doesn't hurt to ask though.
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[19:31] <AugurNZ> shiftplusone, Wikimedia Commons doesn't allow NC licenses, so, erm, yeah.
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[19:32] <shiftplusone> ah well, there you go.
[19:32] <shiftplusone> not going to happen then
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[19:34] <AugurNZ> I'm currently using a generic raspberry (fruit) as the logo on my userbox. That will just have to do. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:AugurNZ/Userboxes/User_Raspi
[19:34] <shiftplusone> heh >_<
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[19:36] <Syliss> noobs is nice, would be better if we could throw in our own distro's to choose from
[19:36] <shiftplusone> can't you?
[19:37] <AugurNZ> Is there any benefit to using NOOBS? I went straight to downloading and installing Raspbian.
[19:38] <Sonny_Jim> If you are going to be using Raspbian anyway, I can't see a benefit
[19:38] <shiftplusone> AugurNZ, in my opinion, it's better for noobs (as the name implies). It lets you restore the distro if you mess it up without having to take the card out and such.
[19:38] <AugurNZ> but then, I use Ubuntu everywhere at home, so Debian is a familiar look and feel for me.
[19:38] <shiftplusone> The latest version lets you boot multiple distros too, doesn't it?
[19:39] <Tonbi_v6> I dislike Debian, but I use raspbian.
[19:40] <j4jackj> Maybe the alternate logo should be a generic raspberry (fruit) laid upon a generic letter pi.
[19:41] <Tonbi_v6> In first, Debian system makes me confuse but soon acclimatized
[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> Just curious, how was the name "Raspberry Pi" chosen?
[19:41] <j4jackj> Sonny_Jim: because.
[19:42] <shiftplusone> I vote for https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/RPi.png
[19:42] <chithead> some twitter users have such user logos https://twitter.com/raspiforum https://twitter.com/RaspberrypiMobi
[19:42] <Sonny_Jim> j4jackj: Great answer!
[19:42] <j4jackj> I switched to FreeBSD simply because Debian was starting to become old and I wanted a fresh look at computers.
[19:42] <AugurNZ> Sonny_Jim, apparently fruit names are common in computing, think Apple, Apricot, Blackberry, etc.
[19:42] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, inspired by the early computers named after fruit (acorn, apple and such). And the Pi is dyslexic for python.
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> Makes sense, thanks
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> I would of chosen Lemon Party myself
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> Just so schoolkids would google it
[19:43] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, lol, not the channel for that!
[19:43] <j4jackj> It's would 'have', not 'would of'.
[19:44] <Sonny_Jim> j4jackj: Thanks again!
[19:44] <Sonny_Jim> noone is as gud at speling as me, abit like that eh?
[19:44] <AugurNZ> chithead, those are great!
[19:44] <j4jackj> I also didn't like Xglitch, which is a 'feature' where the graphics driver in X fails to completely deinitialise, but the terminal switches. When you switch back to the X TTY, it fails to initialise the driver, so you're left SSHing in, or if that fails, using the serial console (not normally enabled).
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[19:45] <Sonny_Jim> I like that alot
[19:45] <j4jackj> Sonny_Jim: what?
[19:45] <Sonny_Jim> nm
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[19:46] <AugurNZ> shiftplusone, that logo you linked to is somewhat familiar. The original Apple logo, perhaps? :)
[19:46] <shiftplusone> AugurNZ, aye, that's what I was trying to allude to, yes. >.>
[19:47] <AugurNZ> oh snap, I'm showing my age! LOL
[19:48] <Sonny_Jim> Ah Apple, the company that thinks a charging cable needs to have a security chip....
[19:48] <shiftplusone> AugurNZ, not so much, since it's not THE original logo, just an early one.
[19:48] <shiftplusone> http://edibleapple.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/original_apple_logo.gif
[19:49] <AugurNZ> ah, okay, I don't think I'm that old then. When was that one made, in the 1800's? :)
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[19:50] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[19:51] <AugurNZ> hey, can a Pi kill an HDMI cable?
[19:51] <AugurNZ> if it is insert/unplugged while the Pi is running?
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[19:52] <shiftplusone> I don't see how it could
[19:52] <AugurNZ> I wouldn't have thought so either, but i seem to have a dead HDMI cable since i got my Pi last weekend.
[19:53] <AugurNZ> I pinched the HDMI cable from my Xbox, where it has been working fine. At first it worked on the Pi, then it stopped working, now it doesn't work on the Xbox any more either.
[19:54] <Sonny_Jim> Bent pins? If you can bend pins on an HDMI cable that is
[19:54] <shiftplusone> Could have been slightly damaged already and the handling damaged it fully.
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[19:55] <AugurNZ> Sonny_Jim, you're right, I just had a look, and one of the pins is out of alignment inside the plug. Bugger!
[19:56] <Sonny_Jim> `
[19:56] <Sonny_Jim> -[P
[19:56] <Sonny_Jim> Erk, stood on keyboard
[19:56] <Sonny_Jim> And you meant to say "Oh bother"
[19:56] <AugurNZ> yeah, that too :)
[19:58] <AugurNZ> My Pi is currently clothed in a cut up cardboard toilet roll tube, until my mate Gary at Tangleball (hackerspace/makerspace) prints me a case on his RepRap.
[19:58] <AugurNZ> I may have struggled getting the HDMI plug inserted once or twice.
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[20:03] <gordonDrogon> evening Pi peoples.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, hello?
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[20:04] <Sonny_Jim> Just wondering if I'm being way too optimistic thinking wiringpi can handle 12us delays
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, no real problem.
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[20:04] <Sonny_Jim> I've got some code up here:
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> however jitter in the rest of the system might get in your way.
[20:04] <Sonny_Jim> Sure
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> run the thread in real-time + high priority.
[20:05] <Sonny_Jim> This is why I'm thinking I might have to pop it into the kernel
[20:05] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.github.com/sonnyjim/snesbot
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> what are you looking at?
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[20:05] <Sonny_Jim> The protocol I'm trying to match is this one:
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> if it's a clocked data signal, then the actual accuracy shouldn't be a problm.
[20:07] <Sonny_Jim> It's the SNES controller protocol
[20:08] <Sonny_Jim> a google for gamefaqs snes controller protocol should find the link
[20:08] <Sonny_Jim> Can't seem to get lynx to work atm
[20:08] <Sonny_Jim> otherwise I would just paste it
[20:08] <Sonny_Jim> oh and any tips on how I could increase the priority would be helpful :-)
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> call piHiPri (60);
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[20:09] <Sonny_Jim> Where would I find the documentation for that, in the wiringpi lib?
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[20:10] <Sonny_Jim> nm, got it
[20:10] <Sonny_Jim> thanks!
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[20:10] <Sonny_Jim> The other thing I might be having troubles with is the input level
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> the timings are more geared towards the video generator - that's why the 12�S pulse comes from.
[20:11] <Sonny_Jim> I am using the RetroPie GPIO adapter which reads the clock and latch fine
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> I'd guess you don't have to do it 60 times a second...
[20:11] <Sonny_Jim> But it seems that the outputs are 3.3v, which I'm not sure that the SNES likes
[20:11] <Sonny_Jim> But atm I can make it 'press buttons' just not reliably
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> I wrote code to drive the original NES controller.
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> it worked off 3.3v just fine.
[20:12] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, the controllers are happy with 3v-7v
[20:12] <Sonny_Jim> It's whether the console will work with 3.3v
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[20:12] <Sonny_Jim> Ah good, so you know the protocol ;-)
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/nes-controller-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> there is a devLib library for it.
[20:13] <Sonny_Jim> I am going the 'other way'
[20:13] <Sonny_Jim> So Pi -> SNES console
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> Oh.
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> why?
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[20:14] <Sonny_Jim> So I can record and playback controller inputs
[20:14] <Sonny_Jim> Something called a "Tool Assisted Speedrun"
[20:14] <Sonny_Jim> I've seen it done with Arduinos, so I'd thought I'd have a try with a Pi
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> what I'd do:
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> have the input signal trigger an interrupt to the Pi. you can pick this up in userland - then poll the clock pin and clock the data out.
[20:16] <Sonny_Jim> Sure
[20:16] <Sonny_Jim> The latching part seems to work fine so far
[20:16] <mgottschlag> hm, did you already try spi?
[20:16] <Sonny_Jim> Nah not yet
[20:16] <Sonny_Jim> Although it does work *sortof* with what I'm doing at the moment
[20:16] <Sonny_Jim> mgottschlag: http://www.github.com/sonnyjim/snesbot
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, Pi can't be an SPI slave...
[20:17] <mgottschlag> ah, okay, didn't know that
[20:17] <mgottschlag> but 12us latency is difficult in usermode
[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> I saw the delaytest program in wiringpi, didn't seem to be accurate enough
[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> Hence why I'm thinking of putting it into the kernel
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> the main puls is 60x a second - that's ok - then I'd poll for each pulse afte that.
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, where?
[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> erm
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> wiringPi/examples/delayTest
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> there is delayTest.c in the examples... yea, that one.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I'd not delay at all - just sit in a tight loop, polling the clock pin.
[20:19] <Sonny_Jim> If you look, that's what I do
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> you take an interrupt first, then supply the first data bit, then sit in a loop, polling for the next edge and supply data
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> run that in high priority.
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> and delayTest.c is quite accurate - at least on my Pi.
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> it can't avoid the situations where it gets deschedulled though.
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> have a look at the source code - it switches to high priority - if you sudo it.
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> Sure, I just popped a piHiPri (60) in there
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> the actual number in ()'s doesn't matter - unless you're running something else in the same program in another thread. 10 is enough.
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[20:38] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[20:38] <Sonny_Jim> So I'd probably be better off using wiringPiISR when waiting for the clock?
[20:38] <Sonny_Jim> rather than what i have atm:
[20:38] <Sonny_Jim> while (digitalRead (clockPin))
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> to be honest, it's probably not going to make any difference - unless the Pi is doing something else.
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> it can poll the pin at about 15 million times/sec.
[20:44] <Sonny_Jim> In fact the way I do it is kinda inefficient
[20:44] <Sonny_Jim> while (clocked)
[20:44] <Sonny_Jim> clocked = digitalRead (clockPin);
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> jus use: while (digitalRead (clockPin) == 0) ;
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> or == 1
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> whatever edge you're looking for.
[20:45] <Sonny_Jim> It made sense when I wrote it last night, that's my excuse :-p
[20:46] <Sonny_Jim> plus it gives the Pi something to do whilst it waits....
[20:48] <Syliss> sorry working, the advantage to noobs is that you just extract the zip to your sd, no imaging needed
[20:48] <Syliss> and you can install multiple distros
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> you mean there's more than Raspbian? ;-)
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[20:57] <ring0> not possible
[20:58] <Sonny_Jim> I've yet to try the RiscOS but it sounds cool
[20:58] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> tried it 20+ years ago - gave up when Linux came along.
[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> I suppose one way to figure out if the SNES will accept 3.3v on the data pin is to put a resistor into a controller and see if it still works
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> most 5v devices will read from a 3.3v device.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> however are you conecting the 5v output from the snes directly into the Pi?
[21:00] <Sonny_Jim> No I'm using the RetroPie GPIO adapter
[21:00] <Sonny_Jim> And no I'm not that stupid
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> just checking:)
[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> The only outputs from the SNES are clock, latch and GND
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[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> Interesting though that the SNES wants 16 bits clocked out and doesn't recognise the controller if the last 4 bits aren't high
[21:02] <Sonny_Jim> So yeah, I'm guessing the problems I have right now are timing related, considering it recognises it at all
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[21:29] <davor> my friend and I got another friend a Pi for his birthday
[21:29] <davor> and a charger, SD card, some resistors/capacitors, breakout board etc
[21:29] <davor> an entire kit basically
[21:29] <sney> neat
[21:29] <davor> I need some packaging ideas
[21:29] <davor> as a joke
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[21:29] <davor> I have an iPhone box available :p
[21:30] <sney> no, go more oddball. hollow out a bible?
[21:30] <davor> hahahaha
[21:30] <davor> I don't think I have one handy
[21:30] <sney> (they are pretty ubiquitous)
[21:31] <davor> hmm... I think I might just go that way haha
[21:31] <davor> yell if you think of some more ideas
[21:31] <sney> or any book really. hard cover works better.
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[21:33] <davor> haha, indeed.
[21:34] <davor> I feel kind of bad destroying a book though
[21:34] <mist__> how about a handbook on relationships or something. Thats usually appreciated ;D
[21:35] <davor> hahahahahha
[21:35] <davor> good one, that'd be hilarious
[21:35] <sney> love & romance for dummies
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[21:38] <mist__> i've given away 2 pi's so far. One became a GoCart ECU =D
[21:38] <sney> oh that's awesome
[21:39] <sney> maybe when I get tired of 70s mechanical FI I can do that with my car
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[21:40] <mist__> i'd like to put one on my cat with a battery, webcam and a gps
[21:41] <mist__> make a slipstreamed backpack to house it all
[21:41] <mist__> see wtf my cat is doing all day. Pretty sure he just finds the closest car and lounges
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[21:42] <sney> an animal rescue volunteer I know got tired of all the outdoor cats in her neighborhood murdering all the birds and squirrels
[21:42] <sney> so, she started growing catnip. now all the neighborhood cats come to her yard, roll around, and get high. it's like a cat opium den
[21:43] <mist__> lmao!
[21:44] <Sonny_Jim> gordonDrogon: Example video of a TAS speedrun using an arduino
[21:44] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2JNf0lAo3Ns
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[21:47] <davor> lol sney
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[21:55] <gordonDrogon> woa.
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> so - the arduino just pushes the buttons at specitic timings to play the game
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> isn't that somewhat dull?
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[21:56] <gordonDrogon> mist__, please read the channel rules... check your language, even abreviations.
[21:56] <Sonny_Jim> gordonDrogon: Well, the point is that it plays the game better than any human could
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, sure, so you spend your time tuning the timings on the arduino, Pi, etc.
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> it's an interesting diversion.
[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, there's quite a few people doing it
[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> There's a good couple of thousand videos on tasvideos.org
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> saying that, something I did waaaaayyyy back was to hack the original game of brickout on the Apple II (the one Woz wrote :) so that if I entered my name it would automatically move the paddle for me...
[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> lol
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[22:08] <davor> hmm... I don't know if I'll have time to get and carve a book tomorrow, I have some stuff to do as well
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[22:45] <gordonDrogon> carve a book?
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[22:45] * gordonDrogon imagines captain caveman with a slab of rock and a chisel...
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> http://www.dartmoor-npa.gov.uk/aboutus/news/au-geninterestnews/au_10commspr
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> ^^^ near where I live.
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[23:22] <davor> hollow one out that is, gordonDrogon, heh
[23:22] <davor> I gave up on that though
[23:23] <davor> no time, plus it feels Fahrenheit 451 hollowing out books
[23:23] <davor> mmm Breaking Baaad
[23:23] <davor> can't wait
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[23:23] <chris_99> is it out yet?
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[23:29] <davor> it'll be on TV in 4,5 hours I think
[23:29] <davor> no idea though, I'm not from the States heh
[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> Not really correct subject matter for this channel davor
[23:29] <davor> ah, I apologise, I did not know chit chat was prohibited
[23:30] <davor> was told at one point it's encouraged so... I don't know what I know now :p
[23:30] <davor> strictly RPi-related stuff now?
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> Well, not really
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[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> Kids come in here, so talking about a TV about a meth dealer isn't the best idea
[23:31] <davor> ahh
[23:31] <davor> sorry
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[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> Nor is the fact that unless you have netflix, you won't be able to watch it legally
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[23:31] <davor> yeah I get that, it's not exactly child-safe
[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> but I don't care, seen people kicked for less though
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[23:31] <davor> at least I have netflix hehe
[23:31] <davor> I'll be more careful in the future
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[23:35] <davor> Either way thanks for the heads up Sonny_Jim
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