#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-10-01

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[0:20] <Bozza> Hello raspberry pians
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[0:51] <Bozza> Yo guys
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[0:58] <ShorTie> mornin
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[1:07] <Bozza> ShorTie: sup shortie
[1:08] <ShorTie> not much, just waiting on the tuna casaroll
[1:08] <Bozza> Nice
[1:08] <Bozza> I made a new irc channel
[1:08] <Bozza> For is raspberry pians
[1:08] <Bozza> us*
[1:08] <Bozza> ShorTie: can you code in python?
[1:09] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[1:09] <ShorTie> me not like to play with snakes
[1:09] <Sonny_Jim> I can now play my SNES using the USB keyboard attached to the Pi
[1:09] <Sonny_Jim> But playing Mario when you can only press one button at once is lame
[1:09] * Sonny_Jim fixes
[1:10] <Bozza> Sonny_Jim: do you code in python?
[1:10] <ShorTie> i sortta maxed out with pong
[1:11] <Bozza> There is a great python framework called kivy
[1:11] <Sonny_Jim> I hate python
[1:11] <Sonny_Jim> Don't know why
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[1:11] <Bozza> It runs on pretty much anything .. OS X, windows, android, ios and raspberry pi
[1:11] <Sonny_Jim> I'd rather code in BBC BASIC
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[1:11] <Sonny_Jim> I'm well aware of it's portability
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[1:12] <Bozza> The problem with kivy is ... That the mouse doesn't work on the pi
[1:13] <ShorTie> that is what they make patches for, hehe
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[1:13] <Bozza> Yea we were discussing it in main channel today
[1:13] <Bozza> Some guy is going to send some other guy his pi
[1:14] <Bozza> And hopefully there will be a patch soon
[1:15] <Bozza> But in the mean time if anyone is excited about having kivy on the PI I made an IRC channel just for that
[1:15] <Bozza> Python people are quite excited about kivy
[1:15] <Bozza> But not many raspberry pi people
[1:15] <Bozza> 2 other people so far lol
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[1:23] <crumb> what's the function of libcofi_rpi.so
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[1:41] <shiftplusone> crumb, copies and fills (optimized functions for ARM)
[1:42] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/simonjhall/copies-and-fills
[1:43] <shiftplusone> (I don't think that's where it's sourced from anymore. Simon has gone missing in action, but there is the current version on github somewhere as well)
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[1:45] <ozzzy> Bozza: what's a kivy
[1:46] <Bozza> It allows you to create python apps with a GUI
[1:46] <ozzzy> oh
[1:46] <ozzzy> that's why I've never heard of it LOL
[1:46] <ozzzy> sounds fun though
[1:47] <Bozza> YouTube it .. It is cross platform. Allows for multi touch support
[1:47] <Bozza> Supports ios and android
[1:47] <Bozza> Main channel is in #kivy.. But I am deflecting and made a kivypi channel ;) ozzzy
[1:49] <ozzzy> well... I don't do python... but all the best
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[1:56] <Bozza> ozzzy: ty :)
[1:56] <Bozza> ozzzy: what do you do?
[1:57] <ozzzy> C, PERL, PHP, BASH
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[2:31] <Smrtz> Can I boot the model B without an SD card? Or does it not come with raspian by default?
[2:32] <pksato> no.
[2:32] <PhotoJim> No SD no boot.
[2:32] <PhotoJim> Can I boot Pi without SD is like Can I drive my car without any gasoline?
[2:32] <pksato> RPi dont have on board storage.
[2:33] <pksato> car you can. just down some hill. :)
[2:33] <PhotoJim> OK true :)
[2:35] <Smrtz> Ok, thanks guys.
[2:37] <PhotoJim> SD cards are cheap at least.
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[3:26] <BlueProtoman> How well does Python and Pygame run on the Pi?
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[3:38] <EchoFox> im having trouble with samba on the rpi. i can see it over the network but the connection keepings timing out. i set the permissions to 0777
[3:38] <EchoFox> still no luck
[3:40] <Sonny_Jim> Grrr
[3:40] <Sonny_Jim> fd = open("/dev/input/event0", O_RDONLY);
[3:40] <Sonny_Jim> read (fd, &ev, sizeof(struct input_event));
[3:40] <Sonny_Jim> printf ("type %i key %i value %i\n", ev.type, ev.code, ev.value);
[3:40] <Sonny_Jim> I never see a keypress, only a key repeat
[3:41] <Sonny_Jim> I have no idea why
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[3:47] <EchoFox> Sonny_Jim: sir. we fall upon deaf ears in a room filled with 403 people
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[4:07] <TM26> Hola , is in the near future more capacity to raspberrypi .. Like more than 512mb of memory???
[4:07] <TM26> Or something else ???
[4:08] <PhotoJim> they all have more than 512 millibits of RAM already :)
[4:09] <PhotoJim> but no, as far as I know, none are planned to have more than 512 MB of RAM.
[4:11] <TM26> :( well it still have so much power :)
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[4:14] <PhotoJim> TM26: the point of the Pi isn't to be powerful, it's to be very inexpensive.
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[4:24] <TM26> Haha yeah your right Photojim :)
[4:24] <PhotoJim> :)
[4:24] <PhotoJim> still, it can do a lot.
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[4:30] <TM26> The raspberry pi has a limited life or something like that ???
[4:31] <PhotoJim> Mine run 24/7 and are doing fine.
[4:31] <PhotoJim> Time will tell.
[4:34] <Sonny_Jim> Lol
[4:34] <Sonny_Jim> I just played the first level of Super Mario World on a real SNES, using a keyboard attached to my Pi
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[4:35] <Sonny_Jim> Hilarious
[4:35] <Sonny_Jim> All I needed was 2 x 4021 shift registers and an old floppy cable to plug into the GPIO ports
[4:37] <johnc-> I need a cool NFC project
[4:37] <Sonny_Jim> NFC?
[4:37] <Sonny_Jim> Near field Communication?
[4:37] <Sonny_Jim> Read a passport with a Pi
[4:38] <scottstamp> Haha that sounds fun.
[4:38] <scottstamp> Does anyone know a good terminal music visualizer?
[4:46] <johnc-> I was thinking of programming NFC tags with movie names or something and when you place them on the reader the movie plays
[4:47] <Sonny_Jim> Barcode would be simpler and cheaper
[4:47] <Sonny_Jim> NFC means in nearby proximity
[4:47] <Sonny_Jim> So use it to track the family pet or something
[4:48] <johnc-> it's like active rfid?
[4:48] <Sonny_Jim> hmm
[4:48] <johnc-> nfc only has a range of a few inches
[4:48] <Sonny_Jim> I can't think of a use off hand, all the ones I am thinking of are RFID like ones
[4:49] <Sonny_Jim> Use it with a phone to do something
[4:49] <Sonny_Jim> Like use it to secure a door/box/computer etc
[4:49] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, don't ask me for ideas
[4:50] <Sonny_Jim> I'm the one who thought it would be a good idea to play SMW using a USB keyboard....
[4:53] <johnc-> super mario world?
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[4:59] <Sonny_Jim> johnc-: USB Keyboard is plugged into the Pi, the Pi is connected to 2 x 4021 shift registers, which are connected to a SNES
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[5:38] <Jeebiss> Sonny_Jim: you are working with an NES or SNES?
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[5:41] <Sonny_Jim> SNES
[5:41] <Sonny_Jim> NES is easy
[5:42] <Sonny_Jim> Although I have just found out that some games don't recognise the controller
[5:42] <Sonny_Jim> Yoshis Story, NBA Jam, Super Tetris 3 to name a few
[5:42] <Jeebiss> So I had a random thought, that you may have some insight on.
[5:42] <Sonny_Jim> It tends to be the games with over-the-top piracy protection (SRAM/Region checks) so I'm guessing it came as a part of that code
[5:42] <Jeebiss> Im sure you have heard the debates on the quality of emulations before.
[5:43] <Sonny_Jim> Not sure if emulations should be plural, but carry on
[5:43] <Jeebiss> Do you think it'd be possible, to instead of emulating a game, to somehow pass the original console the game information, and have it do all of the work?
[5:43] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
[5:43] <Sonny_Jim> You mean like a erm
[5:43] <Sonny_Jim> What's the word
[5:43] <Jeebiss> Essentially, trick it into thinking a game is plugged in.
[5:44] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, I do it all the time
[5:44] <Sonny_Jim> Backup cart?
[5:44] <Sonny_Jim> In depends on the console, but most of them don't have anything fancy in the carts
[5:44] <Sonny_Jim> Megadrive is just EPROMs, SNES normally just has region lock chip, SRAM and EPROM
[5:45] <Jeebiss> I just envision a raspi tucked into an SNES cartirdge, and when you plug it in, you could play all your games off the SD
[5:45] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[5:45] <Sonny_Jim> That exists already and doesn't need a Linux kernel to do it
[5:45] <Sonny_Jim> All you need is something that can emulate an EPROM
[5:45] <Sonny_Jim> Pi is too big to fit into a SNES cart anyway
[5:45] <Jeebiss> I originally thought it would be interesting for an N64, because the pi itself cant emulate it effectively
[5:46] <Jeebiss> Not if you desoldered all the bulk connectors
[5:46] <Sonny_Jim> Again, all that's in an N64 cart is an EPROM
[5:46] <Jeebiss> most of which you wouldnt use.
[5:46] <Sonny_Jim> Again, you don't need have the technology that's on a Pi
[5:46] <Sonny_Jim> You literally just need a flash chip
[5:47] <Sonny_Jim> No PSU section, no CPU, no nothing
[5:47] <Jeebiss> It just uses an EPROM?
[5:47] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[5:47] <Sonny_Jim> The only time that it doesn't is in cases like the SuperFX chip
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[5:47] <Sonny_Jim> There's a few chips in carts which are used to offload processing or make it harder to pirate
[5:47] <Jeebiss> Where would something like that be used?
[5:48] <Sonny_Jim> An EPROM?
[5:48] <Jeebiss> No no, SuperFX chips
[5:49] <Sonny_Jim> SuperFX was for 3D games like Starfox/Starwing, Stunt Race FX, Doom etc
[5:49] <Sonny_Jim> There was the SA-1, which was used in Super Mario RPG, a couple of golf games
[5:49] <Jeebiss> Ahhh, do you know how that would differ from a standard EPROM?
[5:49] <Sonny_Jim> An EPROM is just for storage
[5:49] <Sonny_Jim> Like a read only floppy disc
[5:49] <Sonny_Jim> SuperFX/SA-1 are actual CPUs
[5:50] <Jeebiss> Oooh, I see
[5:50] <Jeebiss> Ah, here we go, this is essentially what I am talking about.
[5:50] <Jeebiss> http://krikzz.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=54
[5:50] <Jeebiss> But, a DIY version, that doesnt cost 100 bucks lol
[5:50] <Sonny_Jim> What's the name of the product?
[5:50] <Jeebiss> EverDrive64
[5:50] <Sonny_Jim> Right
[5:51] <Sonny_Jim> You *can* make your own
[5:51] <Sonny_Jim> But then you need someway of programming EPROMs
[5:51] <Sonny_Jim> Which costs more than $100
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[5:51] <Sonny_Jim> Plus EPROMs are fiddly and small
[5:51] <Sonny_Jim> The only reason Nintendo went with EPROMs rather than CD, was the load times and it's harder to write EPROMs at home
[5:52] <Sonny_Jim> (well, 2 reasons)
[5:52] <Sonny_Jim> The lock chip in each cartridge also meant that they could control who could publish software
[5:52] <Jeebiss> Could I write one with my Arduino?
[5:52] <Sonny_Jim> I believe it's possible
[5:52] <Sonny_Jim> google arduino eprom programmer
[5:52] <Jeebiss> Ive seen it done with small ones
[5:53] <Sonny_Jim> Again, by the time you've bought some EPROMs, a writer and wired it all together, if you factor in your time at a generous $5 an hour
[5:53] <Jeebiss> Right, fair enough hah
[5:53] <Sonny_Jim> $100 for an Everdrive64 doesn't seem that bad at all
[5:53] <Sonny_Jim> And I've made quite a few DIY carts
[5:53] <Sonny_Jim> Imagine having to solder 32 tiny pins with tiny wires to tiny pads
[5:53] <Sonny_Jim> Then double that
[5:54] <Sonny_Jim> And make sure they all work
[5:54] <Sonny_Jim> There is a reason why people charge upwards of $90 for a Starfox 2 cart
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[5:54] <Sonny_Jim> Takes about $15 worth of parts, $100 worth of tools and about 3 hours
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[5:55] <Jeebiss> Were there no SF2 carts made?
[5:55] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
[5:55] <Sonny_Jim> Nintendo canned it just before release
[5:55] <Jeebiss> Oh wow, they are all repos
[5:56] <Sonny_Jim> The rumour was that they wanted to put a gap between their 2D console (the SNES) and their new 3D one (N64)
[5:56] <Sonny_Jim> A good repro seller will always label their cart as a Repro
[5:57] <Jeebiss> I didnt realise reproducing carts was a thing
[5:57] <Jeebiss> I guess it does make sense.
[5:57] <Sonny_Jim> People will repro anything that's in demand
[5:58] <Sonny_Jim> So translations of popular JRPGs
[5:58] <Sonny_Jim> Unreleased games, etc
[5:58] <Sonny_Jim> Some unscrupulous ones will even try to pass off repros as either the real thing or prototype games
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[7:51] <gooch> Hi, I just tried running htop and the htop itself uses 8% of cpu compared to top than only uses 1.3%
[7:52] <gooch> Has anybody noticed that?
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[7:53] <gooch> it's funny that the monitorning tools itself uses almost 10% of the system cpu resource
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[8:35] <Xark> gooch: I have noticed this. A lot is updating framebuffer typically. You can use "d" to set a longer delay between updates to lower overhead too.
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[8:44] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, so I've got my USB joystick working with my SNES
[8:44] <Sonny_Jim> Actually loads easier than getting the keyboard to work with it
[8:44] <Sonny_Jim> Or rather, I know evdev a little better this time around
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[8:48] <Sonny_Jim> mgottschlag: Got it working finally, ended up using 2 x 4021's
[8:48] <Sonny_Jim> Not every game works though, which is a shame :-(
[8:51] <Xark> Because of the joystick (or not every game in general)? Also, how would you describe the quality of emulation (in general)?
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[8:52] <Sonny_Jim> It's not emulation
[8:52] <Sonny_Jim> I'm driving a real SNES through the controller port hooked up to the Pi's GPIO pins
[8:53] <Xark> Ahhh, I see. Hmm. Do you know why some games aren't happy with that?
[8:54] <Sonny_Jim> Not yet
[8:54] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, in theory the hardware I am using is identical to a real snes controller
[8:55] <Xark> Yeah. Kind of surprising only some games would work (but maybe there are multiple methods to read the controller or something)?
[8:55] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[8:55] <Sonny_Jim> There are different ways games can read the port
[8:55] <Sonny_Jim> The SuperGB for example does twice as many reads to the controller port than normal games
[8:55] <Xark> My understanding was it was a bog simple shift register.
[8:55] <Sonny_Jim> Most games send out pulses at 60Hz (or 50Hz for PAL)
[8:56] <Sonny_Jim> The SuperGB puts out 100Hz
[8:56] <Sonny_Jim> Or 120Hz for NTSC
[8:56] <Xark> Interesting. Two reads per frame update is unusual.
[8:56] <Sonny_Jim> The main CPU doesn't have much to do as the Z80 in the SuperGB is doing most of the work
[8:57] <Sonny_Jim> The official Nintendo test cart also reads at twice the normal rate, for the same reason, it hasn't got much else to do
[8:57] <Sonny_Jim> I think I need to fire up a SNES emulator that has a decent debugger to try and find out why certain carts don't like the hardware I'm using
[8:58] <Sonny_Jim> Or rather, pinpoint the differences in the controller code SMW uses (which works) as opposed to NBA Jam (which doesn't)
[8:59] <Xark> Or perhaps look at what they are doing on the controller with logic analyzer (or similar).
[8:59] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, I should be getting a cheap 7MHz one soon
[8:59] <Sonny_Jim> Not sure if it'll be quick enough though
[8:59] <Xark> I bet that is fine.
[8:59] <Sonny_Jim> Each clock pulse is 12us apart
[8:59] <Xark> No problemo
[8:59] <Sonny_Jim> I can't remember what that works out to in MHz
[8:59] <Sonny_Jim> I think it was 75KHz or so
[9:00] <Sonny_Jim> Right now I want to get record and playback working so it can play itself
[9:01] <Xark> 7Mhz is 142.857 nanoseconds (so you have a good margin). :)
[9:01] <Xark> (BTW, Google is great for unit conversions, enter e.g. "1/7000000 seconds")
[9:03] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: It will be interesting to see how many games are deterministic. :)
[9:04] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: I could also see needing to sync the record/playback with (e.g.) vblank.
[9:04] <Sonny_Jim> Well, it's a £10 logic analyser off ebay, so I'm not expecting much
[9:05] <Sonny_Jim> Games-wise, it tends to be the games with copy protection that also detect unofficial controllers
[9:05] <Sonny_Jim> ie SRAM/region checks
[9:05] <Sonny_Jim> I'm guessing it comes as part of that code
[9:06] <Xark> If it is only Nintendo first party games that fail, that seems a good theory. :)
[9:06] <Sonny_Jim> Well, most if not all the launch games work
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[9:07] <Xark> Yeah, so Nintendo could have reved the SDK library to check (for all devs on later games).
[9:07] <Sonny_Jim> But with copy protection routines, it actually tends to be the 3rd party stuff that's more stringent
[9:07] <Xark> For the cartridge, perhaps but I can't see them caring much about controllers.
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[9:08] <Sonny_Jim> For example, there's a crappy Picross clone called Oh Chan-Something that has all manner of SRAM and region checks
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[9:08] * Xark only started developing for Nintendo consoles on N64 so not super familiar with SNES stuff (other than helping co-workers decode Japanese manual back in the day).
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[9:09] <Sonny_Jim> I'm right in thinking that all there is in an N64 cart is an EPROM and a lockout chip?
[9:09] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: Also sometimes SRAM or flash.
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[9:10] <Xark> I think it is a mask ROM also (expensive and long lead time on manufacturing).
[9:11] <Sonny_Jim> I thought that the N64 used memory paks?
[9:11] <Sonny_Jim> Or was that quickly abandoned?
[9:11] <Xark> Nintendo would make out when publisher would order too many carts (that would cost $$$ and sit in a warehouse). :)
[9:11] <Xark> Most games had memory pack, but IIRC those were too small (or perhaps a form of copy protection).
[9:12] <Xark> I worked on Starcraft64 and it was a fairly big cart and has (IIRC) some EEPROM on the cart for saves.
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[9:13] <Sonny_Jim> Are you a member on Assembler Games?
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[9:15] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: Hmm, I guess not. Is that an IRC channel?
[9:15] <Sonny_Jim> No, it's a web forum. Pretty interesting place, you should check it out
[9:15] <Sonny_Jim> Lots of prototypes/dev units/etc etc
[9:16] <Xark> OK, thanks. I'll google it.
[9:16] <Sonny_Jim> If you have any info or hardware related to N64 dev they would probably like to hear about it
[9:16] <Xark> Ahh. I think I have an old SN devkit in a box somewhere... :)
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[9:17] <Sonny_Jim> Every so often a piece of dev kit turns up with unreleased code on it
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[9:17] <Sonny_Jim> Right now everyone is talking about the "Toejam & Earl" unreleased game for Saturn that has just been found
[9:18] <Xark> I see. Yeah, I wish I had kept a few things I have had in the past (however, legally none of it was mine to keep).
[9:18] <Sonny_Jim> Sure
[9:19] <Xark> "Work for hire" generally.
[9:20] <Xark> http://justpaste.it/uop
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[9:25] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: I do have some manuals from a prototype Amiga that are kind of interesting (when it used QIY instead of RGB and had totally different sound hardware).
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[9:27] <Sonny_Jim> Cool!
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[9:32] <cnf> has anyone got a screen working on the DSI interface?
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[9:33] <Sonny_Jim> cnf: I believe the DSI interface is proprietory, so there's no docs, hence there's no support
[9:34] <Sonny_Jim> As in, the DSI needs to be controlled by the GPU, but because it's a binary blob you have no chance
[9:35] <cnf> .me sighs
[9:35] <cnf> why even put it on there, if they aren't going to support it?
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[10:11] <bitnumus> Hi all, anyone know of a cheap NFC chip that would work with the Pi ?
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[10:12] <Xark> bitnumus: I haven't heard of such a thing. Perhaps RFID, bit not NFC.
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[10:13] <bitnumus> i'm looking at the SCL3711 NFC reader
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[10:13] <bitnumus> amazed that there isn't something cheaper though
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[10:14] <Xark> bitnumus: Probably a lot of patents etc.
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[10:18] <bitnumus> hmm
[10:18] <Xark> That is pretty amazingly expensive though (~$40).
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[10:25] <ShorTie> here is 15 for 14.99 http://nfctags.tagstand.com/collections/nfc-kits/products/nfc-hobbyist-starter-kit-15-stickers?gclid=CImrmvCa9bkCFZSd4Aod2BAAfw
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[10:38] <double-you> my wifi RX/TX stats in ifconfig often resets to zero... why is that so?
[10:39] <Xark> double-you: 32-bit counters, I believe.
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[10:40] <double-you> Xark: what? is this a common problem?
[10:41] <Xark> double-you: I think it is a known limitation of ifconfig stats. Doing 64-bit would require atomic ops etc. and is not worth it on 32-bit machines.
[10:42] <double-you> Xark: so you think I should take another tool to measure rx/tx stats?
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[10:42] <Xark> double-you: Perhaps. Not sure. I think it is a kernel limitation. It is possible software could recognize a "wrap".
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[10:43] <double-you> Xark: thank you, I thought it was a reconnection problem or so...
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[10:45] <ShorTie> that was more of what i was thinking
[10:47] <ShorTie> if it is a counter reset it would be at a specific number every time i would think
[10:49] <double-you> 32 bit means it should reset at about 4 gigabytes? I'll try
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[11:20] <double-you> yes, you were right
[11:21] <Xark> double-you: So it does wrap at ~4GB?
[11:21] <double-you> TX bytes:4289926807 (3.9 GiB)
[11:22] <double-you> 2 seconds later: TX bytes:2206721 (2.1 MiB)
[11:22] <Xark> Bingo. :)
[11:22] <hyperair> RX bytes:7130792862 (7.1 GB) TX bytes:4372372939 (4.3 GB)
[11:22] <hyperair> hmm? =\
[11:22] <hyperair> oh i'm running a 64-bit kernel.
[11:22] <Xark> :)
[11:23] <Xark> hyperair: Not on the RPi, I imagine. :)
[11:23] <hyperair> heh yeah
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[11:23] <tig|> 'nings all
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[11:39] <Davespice> Morning folks, I don’t want to start a flame war about the Pi Store here. I know there are widely varying views on it and they’ve been discussed to death on the forums. For those of you that use it, Cave Story is now available as a free download. Its under games, second page at the bottom. A little beauty of a game :)
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[11:50] <AHammar> Davespice, that is awesome!!!!
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[11:51] <Davespice> thanks AHammar, its a special build of RetroArch backaged to just run NXEngine as its core
[11:51] <Davespice> packaged*
[11:51] <Davespice> gets 60 fps+
[11:52] <Davespice> I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of kids with ruined homework because of this :)
[11:52] <SirLagz> if I knew what Cave story was...lol
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[11:53] <Davespice> Have a read here; http://store.raspberrypi.com/projects/cavestory
[11:54] <Davespice> It’s considered exceptional because it was all made by one guy. Graphics, music, programming, storyline, dialogue everything.
[11:54] <SirLagz> looks very retro heh
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[11:54] <SirLagz> ah i see. Nice
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[11:55] <Davespice> yeah, thats deliberate :)
[11:55] <SirLagz> I figured :)
[11:56] <Davespice> you can see the Metroid influence really easily, its pretty much the same sound effect when you pick up a life capsule :)
[11:58] <SirLagz> haha nice
[11:58] <SirLagz> pity I don't have a Pi with a screen to play it on the Pi haha
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[12:07] <Davespice> SirLagz: do you always run it headless then?
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[12:08] <SirLagz> Davespice: yep
[12:09] <SirLagz> Davespice: actually one *is* connected to a shared screen
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[12:09] <SirLagz> Davespice: but the screen is barely ever on the Pi input
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[12:12] <Davespice> ah well, there you go then :)
[12:12] <SirLagz> Davespice: there's no keyboard or mouse connected to that Pi though lol
[12:12] <SirLagz> it's my experimentation Pi, normally headless unless something breaks
[12:13] <ShorTie> it's just for the oop's factor
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[12:13] <SirLagz> yep.
[12:14] <Vostok> i have a headless pi a hundred miles away and can't get any connection
[12:14] <Vostok> a bit irritating
[12:14] <SirLagz> Vostok: that would be irritating. Don't know if it crashes or whether the connection has just gone down etc etc.
[12:15] <Vostok> the network card is down or something
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[12:15] <SirLagz> I'm trying to work out whether this Apple Charger that I have is genuine or not...it looks genuine but i still don't trust it powering one of my Pis lol
[12:16] <Vostok> it stopped sending data to the internet, after which i got someone to reboot it
[12:16] <Vostok> then, thanks to my IP reporting script, i found out that it had changed IP (ie. got a new one via DCHP)
[12:16] <Vostok> after that it worked for a while
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[12:17] <Vostok> then it freezed again. this time the IP reporting script does nothing after reboot. which means it can't get any connection
[12:17] <Vostok> which means something is broken
[12:18] <Vostok> sadly, raspberry pi isn't suitable for this kind of stuff at all, contrary to what i hoped for
[12:18] <Vostok> probably have to go with udoo or beagleboard
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[12:28] <tig|> Vostok: most pi issues seem to be power related
[12:29] <Vostok> most of my issues are related to the faulty usb hardware
[12:29] <Vostok> i wouldn't be surprised if this did, too. since the ethernet goes through usb
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[12:43] <Sonny_Jim> Is NXEngine NanoX?
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[12:51] <Davespice> Sonny_Jim: its a heavily modified version of NXEngine, not the original Caitlin Shaw one
[12:51] <Davespice> the libretro guys did a lot of work to it to make it run well
[12:52] <Davespice> more info here; http://nxengine.sourceforge.net/
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[14:10] <SpeedEvil> Hah - my i3 uses less power than my Pi. (admittedly in suspend)
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> (assuming for the moment the meter reading of 2W is accurate
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[14:20] <Tachyon`> those meters are generally inaccurate at low levels
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[14:29] <SpeedEvil> And yes.
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> I believe this one is more-or-less accurate at least +-2W or so at that sort of level, and with the waveshape likely to be coming from the PSU
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if I can cut that 22W.
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> 2-8W is easy with a better PSU.
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[14:40] <andreiiar> Hell!
[14:40] <andreiiar> Hello!
[14:40] <andreiiar> This is dog!
[14:42] <andreiiar> Why is raspbian network install not working?
[14:42] <andreiiar> I formated fat32
[14:42] <andreiiar> Copy all data
[14:42] <andreiiar> And only red led apear no green.
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[14:44] <Crenn-NAS> The joys of 3D printers: http://pic.twitter.com/Zfv8EuF8OW
[14:45] <andreiiar> Looks like cake but it does not answer my question.
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[14:50] <ShorTie> no green light means no bin found on card
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[14:50] <ShorTie> you need to put a proper image a proper way on the sdcard
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[14:52] <andreiiar> Why did it not work I was asking. I followed the procedure on the besite
[14:52] <andreiiar> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
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[14:54] <andreiiar> I installed the whole image from raspberri site and I have another problem. My keyboard is not working. How can I use all raspi-config remote?
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[14:56] <ShorTie> if you just copied the image over it will not work
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[14:57] <ShorTie> is your sdcard writer on a windows machine ??
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[14:57] <Vostok> ssh into your pi and type raspi-config
[14:58] <andreiiar> user and pass?
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[14:59] <Vostok> andreiiar: they are written everywhere
[14:59] <Vostok> pi:raspberry, i think
[14:59] <double-you> read at least the quick start guide
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[14:59] <andreiiar> no need
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[14:59] <Vostok> yes there's need
[15:00] <markonarch> any suggestions to this one? http://pastebin.com/27y5X8Ub
[15:00] <Vostok> how were you able to download your image without noticing the passwords which are written next to the download link
[15:00] <andreiiar> No it's ok I studied for LPIC 101
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[15:00] <ShorTie> follow the raw images instructions here http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
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[15:02] <dirty_d> does the rpi have a /dev/rtc without adding a rtc hardware module?
[15:02] <Vostok> andreiiar: apparently it doesn't help much. :)
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[15:04] <andreiiar> OMG MY WEBSITE FROM THE LAST DISTRO I FORGOT TO BACKITUP
[15:04] <Kymru> oops
[15:04] <IT_Sean> The caps lock button. please turn it off.
[15:04] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:04] <dirty_d> I need to run some code at a fixed frequency and I'd rather not busy loop looking at clock_gettime
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[15:05] <dirty_d> if /dev/rtc is there that would work fine
[15:05] <andreiiar> I just wrote with the SHIFT pressed no capsloc there :((
[15:05] <Vostok> we don't really care of the details
[15:06] <Vostok> *about :)
[15:06] <andreiiar> Yes, you programmers never did!
[15:06] <Vostok> huh?
[15:06] <Kymru> Vostok, thats what i thought
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[15:07] <andreiiar> I am also skilled in fine sarcasm.
[15:07] <Vostok> right
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[15:07] <Kymru> you need more lessons then because that wasnt sarcasm
[15:07] <andreiiar> Thakn you for you help. I must return now to work.
[15:08] <IT_Sean> Indeed... my sarcasmometer never moved off the peg. [\ ]
[15:08] <double-you> heh
[15:08] <Kymru> i thought it jumped down into the "huh..WTF" section
[15:09] <tig|> at the risk of going off topic, there isn't any way of turning the leds off on either the camera or pi are there? or is it black tape to the rescue?
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[15:10] <ozzzy> unsolder them
[15:10] <Vostok> you really imagine _that's_ off topic :)
[15:10] <tig|> Vostok: in here? yes
[15:10] <Vostok> :D
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[15:11] <tig|> I didn't mention bagels, penguins or the lack of the critter cam
[15:12] * tig| waits for a certain Op to notice the bagels comment
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[15:13] <tig|> I was doing a timelapse test out of the window and the led reflected in the glass so all night and during sunrise it looks like I have a cylon looking through the window :)
[15:13] <xenomorph> Speaking of topic... is there a camera for the pi that doesn't suffer from rolling shutter effect?
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[15:14] <tig|> xenomorph: does the csi one suffer from it? I hadn't noticed
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[15:14] <tig|> I am presuming it does, hence the question, but when are you seeing that?
[15:16] <xenomorph> I didn't buy one yet. I'm trying to find one by watching sample videos on youtube. It's visible at higher movement speed. E.g. when attached to a quadcopter or used as dashcam in a car
[15:17] <tig|> ah not used mine in anything fast moving
[15:17] <tig|> xenomorph: I thought you could bump up the framerate or is that something they were working on?
[15:18] <xenomorph> The rolling shutter is a hardware "issue" afaik. The image is read line by line off the sensor not a once. If the movement is faster than the reading process, the picture get's distorted.
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[15:19] <xenomorph> It's explained here (where else ^^): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter
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[15:19] <xenomorph> Afaik the camera would need a so called global shutter
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[15:21] <tig|> ah
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[15:24] <Tu13es> the rpi doesn't come with any accessories generally, right?
[15:24] <xenomorph> Right
[15:24] <Tu13es> i bought mine from element and can't remember if / what it came with
[15:24] <Tu13es> ok cool, thanks xenomorph
[15:24] <steve_rox> a usb port
[15:24] <xenomorph> There are shops which are selling complete sets though
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[15:25] <steve_rox> at insane prices im sure
[15:25] <Tu13es> right. cool. thanks!
[15:25] <Tu13es> i just sold mine and forgot if it came with anything :P
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[15:25] <steve_rox> pink box thing?
[15:25] <bacobart> usually the combopacks are better priced than buying a rpi+adapter+sd+case seperatly
[15:25] <bacobart> atleast the combo deals i've seen were
[15:26] <tig|> usually it comes in an antistatic bag in a white card box with a slip of paper inside :)
[15:26] <xenomorph> steve_rox depends on the shop I guess. :) Personally I don't like to buy these sets because they include not the HW I want.
[15:26] <steve_rox> yay for bags
[15:26] <Tu13es> yeah, that sounds right tig| :)
[15:26] <steve_rox> chef excellence bags
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[15:28] <steve_rox> poundland has some handy usb tat for rpi useage
[15:28] <steve_rox> like hubs or mem card readers
[15:29] <xenomorph> tig| As soon as my second Pi arrives I'll try an USB camera, maybe my worries are without reason.
[15:29] <xenomorph> Just thought maybe one of you already stumbled across that particular question. ;)
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[15:30] <tig|> there was someone on here that was doing live streaming from a robot or automated car or something
[15:31] <xenomorph> Sounds interesting. I'll try to build a blackbox for my car.
[15:31] <steve_rox> it has to be bomb proof tho
[15:33] <steve_rox> i need to figure out how to put a alcahol gas sensor on the rpi for a insane idea
[15:33] <Vostok> steve_rox: breath analyzer or some other kind of sensor?
[15:34] <steve_rox> the one i was looking at only put annalog signal out
[15:34] <Vostok> why analog
[15:34] <steve_rox> cos thats how its designed
[15:34] <xenomorph> steve_rox you could us an arduino board to read analogue signals
[15:34] <steve_rox> id need some conversion chip
[15:34] <Vostok> http://dx.com/p/mq3-high-sensitivity-alcohol-detector-sensor-module-red-165242 this one has digital too
[15:34] <steve_rox> i dont have one
[15:35] <steve_rox> hmmz
[15:36] <steve_rox> then id have to figure the wireing and ensure im supplying voltage without cooking pi
[15:37] <xenomorph> *baking ;)
[15:38] <steve_rox> :P
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[15:46] <steve_rox> looking for one on amazon , difficult guessing if they support digital
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[15:49] <steve_rox> Pin Definition: AO-analog Output,DO-Digital Output,GND- Ground,VCC-Voltage To Current Converter
[15:49] <steve_rox> think that translates to digital out?
[15:51] <steve_rox> http://www.amazon.co.uk/SainSmart-10-1000ppm-Alcohol-Detector-Arduino/dp/B00E5X2VZA/ref=sr_1_fkmr3_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380634987&sr=8-2-fkmr3&keywords=Alcohol+Detector+Sensor+digital+signal
[15:51] <steve_rox> that thing
[15:51] <steve_rox> damn link lenghs
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[15:53] <xenomorph> steve_rox according to the product description it should have a digital signal, but I would contact the seller about it
[15:54] <steve_rox> fun
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[16:24] <Sonny_Jim> Can someone have a look at my program and see why my argc/argv sucks so bad?
[16:24] <Sonny_Jim> Right now only -fFilename works
[16:25] <Sonny_Jim> And I'd like to to work with -f filename
[16:25] <Sonny_Jim> https://github.com/SonnyJim/snesbot/snesbot.c
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> use getopt() ?
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> that link 404's.
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[16:41] <gordonDrogon> try: man3 getopt
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[16:57] <Kymru> if i mounted /dev/sdb3 /home/pi/HDX1000 and went into WinSCB to /home/pi and deleted the folder HDX1000 from right click, would it delete the HDX1000 folder or would it delete the contents of /dev/sdb3
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[17:12] <Neoteric> howdy ! does anyone have a link to a distro for the pi that runs on jffs2 rather than this ext nonsenese ?
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[17:16] <Jusii> why jffs2?
[17:16] <Jusii> jffs2 is for raw flash?
[17:17] <Jusii> not for sdcards etc
[17:17] <Jusii> 'normal' flash devices handle wear leveling by themselves
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[17:18] <Jusii> with jffs2 you're actually causing more wear on sdcard
[17:18] <sandman> And secondly, what's so bad about ext? I run ext2 on my flash drives and get quite good performance.
[17:19] <sandman> If you're getting bad performance, may be beneficial for you to check out how partition alignment relates to SSD drives (and apparently many flash-type storages)
[17:20] <ShadowJK> You want f2fs instead of jffs on SD/emmc type storage
[17:20] <sandman> I up and skipped partitioning entirely on my flash drives, building the filesystem directly on the device, like through mke2fs /dev/sda, and saw pretty convincing evidence of improved performance, likely due to kicking the misalignment issue out the door by way of skipping partitioning
[17:20] <ShadowJK> f2fs is actually designed for SD cards
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[17:21] <ShadowJK> 8M or 16M alignment should be ok
[17:21] <sandman> Perhaps both those things in tandem?
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[17:22] <Vanfanel> Hi! Do you know how to change the console character map? I tried "setfont Uni3-TerminusBold24x12" and it DOES chante the font, but doing "setfont Uni3-TerminusBold24x12 -m 8859-1" returns: "mapscrn: cannot open map file"
[17:22] <ShadowJK> though, since windows defaults to 4M alignment now, some cards have an internal offset so that 4M starts aligning up with their internal 8M or 12M block sizes
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[17:25] <Neoteric> okay
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[17:25] <Neoteric> so is there a pre-rolled distro w/ F2fs ?
[17:26] <Neoteric> cuz the google not helping me here
[17:26] <Jusii> what's the problem with extX nonsense?
[17:26] <Neoteric> Jusii: i said "jffs2" cuz i'm an old embedded guy and that's what i used 10yrs ago
[17:26] <Jusii> Neoteric: same here, that's why I had a response
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[17:27] <Neoteric> but ideally some distro not running ext2/3 would be great
[17:27] <Neoteric> or image
[17:27] <Neoteric> this F2fs seems neato
[17:27] <ShadowJK> Neoteric; jffs2 is pretty slow on devices larger than a few hundred megs too
[17:28] <Neoteric> yeah again ... i just mentioned jff2 as it's what i did 10yrs ago . this f2fs seems smrt
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[17:28] <ShadowJK> Neoteric; ubifs is better, but yet again needs raw flash..
[17:29] <Neoteric> interestin
[17:30] <ShadowJK> extX is optimized for harddrives, and as such makes great effort to not move the "read/write head".. SD type storage behaves, roughly like a tape drive when writing, and like ram when reading. So, the optimal would be to write in streamnig fashion only.
[17:31] <Neoteric> right . still just looking for an image .
[17:31] <ShadowJK> The worst case on many modern cards, is of a 512 byte host write getting transformed internally in the SD card into a 12 megabyte read/modify/write cycle
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[17:34] <Neoteric> well i guess i'm off to build my own kernels
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[17:35] <ShadowJK> I vaguely recall seeing something in the forum
[17:36] <ShadowJK> Not sure if the rpi kernel is new enough though..
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[18:41] <Phosie> Hi hi
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[18:52] <Vanfanel> Does the command luit work for you on Raspbian??
[18:53] <Vanfanel> My console seems to be hung upon running it
[18:53] <Vanfanel> I'm on a tty console, not a terminal emulator inside X
[18:53] <Vanfanel> but it should work on the tty, too
[18:54] <PhotoJim> maybe that's how it's designed.
[18:54] <PhotoJim> no, mine doesn't hang.
[18:54] <PhotoJim> if I just type "luit" it comes back right away.
[18:54] <Vanfanel> PhotoJim: that's the expected bevaiour
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[18:55] <Vanfanel> but it doesn't work here
[18:55] <PhotoJim> I use Raspbian.
[18:55] <PhotoJim> if you just type "luit" by itself it doesn't come back?
[18:55] <PhotoJim> maybe you have a bad SD card and the file got corrupted.
[18:56] <Vanfanel> Nope, it hangs there until I blindly write exit
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[18:56] <Vanfanel> Nah, it's something with the font or character encoding
[18:56] <PhotoJim> ahh.
[18:56] <PhotoJim> I didn't know luit existed until today so I'm not likely to be any more help. :)
[18:57] <Vanfanel> ok, well, you were of help by running it on your system :P
[18:57] <Vanfanel> so thanks
[18:57] <PhotoJim> np, good luck
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[19:17] <bitnumus> So i'm looking for a cheap display, large enough to show a QR code, with stock in the UK any ideas? :P
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[19:19] <ShorTie> cheap does not really define a price
[19:20] <keyvin> I find 42" plasmas to be quite cheap these days
[19:20] <keyvin> you can find one at your local electronics retailer probably
[19:20] <keyvin> there will be no missing the QR code either
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[19:25] <Jeebiss> http://www.adafruit.com/products/338
[19:25] <Jeebiss> something like that would probably suffice
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[19:40] <lee> Jeebiss: check out linitx.com maybe
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[19:58] <EpixP0ison> does anybody know what the smallest raspbeery pi debain based os is?
[19:58] <EpixP0ison> minibian is 181mb when compressed
[19:58] <EpixP0ison> anything smaller?
[19:59] <geordie> take minibian and delete a bunch of stuff that you know you don't want or need
[20:00] <geordie> RaspEpixIan
[20:00] <EpixP0ison> just found a 84mb
[20:00] <geordie> nice
[20:00] <EpixP0ison> yes but i always had isues with that :/
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[20:00] <EpixP0ison> i remove stuff that seems unimportant
[20:00] <EpixP0ison> then it wont boot :(
[20:00] <geordie> yeah
[20:01] <keyvin> Alternatively spend $20 on a 32gb sd card
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[20:01] <EpixP0ison> size isnt the issue
[20:01] <EpixP0ison> :p
[20:01] <EpixP0ison> i have a 64gb in the post
[20:01] <EpixP0ison> 4gb for now
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[20:01] <EpixP0ison> i just dislike mess
[20:01] <EpixP0ison> and having useless crap is mess
[20:01] <hifi> EpixP0ison: minimal real raspbian/debian install can be achieved with raspbian-ua-netint
[20:01] <geordie> i once shoehorned debian onto a laptop with a 100MB drive and
[20:02] <keyvin> geordie: I remember doing something similar with debian woody
[20:02] <hifi> you can pre-configure the target packages
[20:02] <hifi> if you really want to install it without networking
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[20:02] <hifi> *raspbian-ua-netinst
[20:02] <EpixP0ison> im wondering if crap like tiny core linux would work
[20:02] <EpixP0ison> doubt it
[20:02] <EpixP0ison> but i do prefer debian
[20:03] <EpixP0ison> uses about 10mb
[20:03] <EpixP0ison> would be lush to have that working
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[20:03] <plugwash> There is a limit to how much you can strip a distro like debian down and still reasonablly consider the result of the stripping debian
[20:03] <EpixP0ison> yeh
[20:03] <EpixP0ison> for example apt i love to use it
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[20:03] <hifi> plugwash: on related note, people are asking why raspbian-ua-netinst isn't on the raspbian wiki, *hint*
[20:03] <EpixP0ison> but i could just use wget and dpkg
[20:04] <EpixP0ison> im just lazy
[20:04] <plugwash> The main reason is because i'm not sure how to create an account for you at the moment
[20:04] <EpixP0ison> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=20487
[20:04] <EpixP0ison> lame :(
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[20:04] <EpixP0ison> there "core" os is only 9mb
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[20:05] <EpixP0ison> 15mb for a gui
[20:06] <EpixP0ison> O
[20:06] <EpixP0ison> M
[20:06] <EpixP0ison> G
[20:06] <EpixP0ison> http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/ports.html
[20:06] <EpixP0ison> picore 28mb
[20:06] <EpixP0ison> :3
[20:06] * ozzzy isn't worried about the size of the distro
[20:07] <EpixP0ison> smaller it is
[20:07] <EpixP0ison> the lass crap
[20:07] <EpixP0ison> the less crpa the less crap running
[20:07] <EpixP0ison> the les crap running the more ram and cpu
[20:07] <EpixP0ison> the more ram and cpu the more i can stil around all day staring at htop
[20:07] <EpixP0ison> sit*
[20:07] <hifi> less stuff on the SD card doesn't mean you have more free ram and cpu
[20:08] <ozzzy> you have full control of what is or isn't running no matter the footprint on the sd card
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[20:08] <hifi> a base debian install runs the bare minimum services, you can tweak it a bit but if you want to do anything useful the stock services are sort of required
[20:09] <EpixP0ison> no no no
[20:09] <EpixP0ison> debian normally adds in crap i dont care about
[20:09] <EpixP0ison> DHCP ect ect
[20:09] <EpixP0ison> always running
[20:09] <EpixP0ison> the pi is on static
[20:09] <EpixP0ison> useless
[20:10] * EpixP0ison would still like to have ubnutu on the pi :(
[20:10] <EpixP0ison> even though it has so much crap
[20:11] <hifi> debian doesn't run dhcp if you configure it with static ip, you are misinformed
[20:11] <EpixP0ison> :/
[20:11] <EpixP0ison> either way normal rasbian has alot more packegs "running" then the 84mb one
[20:11] <EpixP0ison> stuff which i have no need for
[20:12] <EpixP0ison> im try out tiny core on the pi :3
[20:12] <hifi> normal raspbian has no more services running than debian
[20:12] <EpixP0ison> ^^
[20:12] <hifi> the foundation image is just bloated
[20:12] <EpixP0ison> services use ram and cpu
[20:12] <EpixP0ison> not much....
[20:12] <EpixP0ison> but stil
[20:12] <andreiiar> Hello!
[20:12] <EpixP0ison> it all add up to like 2% cpu and like 10mb ram
[20:13] <EpixP0ison> tiny core should be nice and speedy with hardly anything to load :/
[20:13] <andreiiar> I started this website for one reason. To share a secret. The secret of free live cams.
[20:13] <EpixP0ison> O.o
[20:13] <EpixP0ison> oh god the ads have reached IRC
[20:13] <EpixP0ison> god save us
[20:13] <andreiiar> :)
[20:13] <keyvin> free live raspbian cams I hope
[20:13] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
[20:13] <EpixP0ison> yus :3
[20:13] <EpixP0ison> i wanna watch you grep some cats
[20:13] <andreiiar> I can't userdel pi. It uses a sshd process. Why is that started by pi?
[20:13] <EpixP0ison> maybe do some cuts
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[20:14] <EpixP0ison> question #1 are you root?
[20:14] <andreiiar> I am afraid if i kill process i cant ssh to my rpi
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[20:14] <EpixP0ison> well if you kill ssh then yes
[20:14] <EpixP0ison> whats the proccess name
[20:14] <andreiiar> Can I transfer parentship?
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[20:14] <andreiiar> sshd
[20:15] <EpixP0ison> yeh.... umm dont kill that if you wanna use ssh
[20:15] <andreiiar> It sais right there 4 lines above.
[20:15] <EpixP0ison> although it will still worfk wierdly
[20:15] <EpixP0ison> but as soon as you close that window
[20:15] <EpixP0ison> i dont fully understand the question then...
[20:15] <keyvin> andreiiar if you ps aux | grep sshd, does it show a process called /usr/sbin/sshd
[20:15] <EpixP0ison> It uses a sshd process. Why is that started by pi?
[20:16] <EpixP0ison> so you can ssh.....
[20:16] <andreiiar> What if I set a suid bit on sshd. If i restart
[20:17] * EpixP0ison feels english is not his native lingo :p
[20:17] <keyvin> andreiiar: is the /usr/sbin/sshd process owned by root?
[20:17] <EpixP0ison> ah i get it now
[20:17] <andreiiar> No.
[20:17] <EpixP0ison> he wants to del the user
[20:18] <Vostok> EpixP0ison: me neither: <andreiiar> This is dog!
[20:18] <EpixP0ison> but the procces is owned by pi
[20:18] <Vostok> ;)
[20:18] <EpixP0ison> lol
[20:18] <andreiiar> I don;t get what Vostok means
[20:18] <Vostok> yes, i'm sure you don't
[20:18] <EpixP0ison> *sniggers*
[20:18] <EpixP0ison> anyways
[20:19] <andreiiar> Back to me.
[20:19] <EpixP0ison> to you
[20:19] <EpixP0ison> to me
[20:19] <EpixP0ison> to you
[20:19] <EpixP0ison> to me
[20:19] <andreiiar> Now look at your men, now at me
[20:20] <EpixP0ison> i love that advert
[20:20] <EpixP0ison> xD
[20:20] <EpixP0ison> its man btw
[20:20] <EpixP0ison> men = more than 1
[20:20] <EpixP0ison> xD
[20:20] <andreiiar> Yes yes you get the point this is not nazi english channel.
[20:20] <EpixP0ison> umm
[20:20] <keyvin> andreiiar: if you run who, is the user pi still logged into the system
[20:20] <EpixP0ison> nazi = german
[20:21] <andreiiar> lol
[20:21] <andreiiar> That is so tipicaly american.
[20:22] <keyvin> adnreiiar in any case if the user pi is logged in you need to kill its sessions and then you should be able to userdel it
[20:22] <EpixP0ison> umm
[20:22] <EpixP0ison> im not americarno
[20:23] <andreiiar> Yes, I foresaw that. But beeing the ssh deamon that is not letting me delete the user it's kind of hard.
[20:23] <keyvin> adnreiiar if the ssh daemon is running as the user pi, you have done something insane to your system
[20:23] <keyvin> ssh probably forked a sub process
[20:23] <keyvin> owned by the pi user
[20:24] <keyvin> I don't know the deatails of psuedoterminal creation and subprocessing of sshd
[20:24] <andreiiar> I did nothing insane. I just installed the thing from img with win32imager and ran that program you run for the first time
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[20:25] <keyvin> when you run the command "who" does it list pi in any fashion?
[20:25] <andreiiar> No.
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[20:25] <keyvin> did you background any processes using nohup or screen?
[20:25] <EpixP0ison> anybody feel like helping me work out why my pi has aprently oc'ed to .1ghz with me today?
[20:25] <EpixP0ison> 2.1*
[20:26] <EpixP0ison> we was trying to work it out the otherday
[20:26] <EpixP0ison> but it seems the params passed :/
[20:26] <EpixP0ison> 2.2 didnt work
[20:26] <EpixP0ison> but 2.1 does
[20:26] <EpixP0ison> no overvolt
[20:26] <EpixP0ison> no northing
[20:26] <andreiiar> No. I did no such thing
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[20:27] <keyvin> are you in the same room as your pi?
[20:27] <andreiiar> No.
[20:27] <EpixP0ison> are you on the same plaent as your pi
[20:27] <EpixP0ison> :p
[20:27] <keyvin> is there a /usr/sbin/sshd process owned by root?
[20:27] <andreiiar> Is hthat a real question?
[20:27] <andreiiar> No
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[20:28] <andreiiar> Wait
[20:28] * EpixP0ison waits
[20:28] * EpixP0ison pauses his entire life
[20:28] <andreiiar> I'd like to change my statement to Yes.
[20:28] <EpixP0ison> tough
[20:28] * EpixP0ison should stop trolling now :/
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[20:29] <EpixP0ison> to much coffee for me
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[20:29] <andreiiar> I don't mind.
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[20:29] <EpixP0ison> try telling that to the ops
[20:29] <EpixP0ison> :p
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[20:29] <andreiiar> pi owns pi@notty
[20:30] <andreiiar> sshd: pi@notty
[20:30] <keyvin> something is running in the background I think
[20:30] <keyvin> what shows up if you ps aux | grep pi
[20:30] <andreiiar> Hackers
[20:30] <andreiiar> That is the only process from pi
[20:31] <andreiiar> sshd: pi@notty
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[20:31] <keyvin> no subprocesses or anything?
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[20:32] <keyvin> are you in the middle of an scp to the box?
[20:32] * EpixP0ison suspects nargle's are to blame
[20:32] <EpixP0ison> omg this should so be my new saying
[20:32] <keyvin> or do you have an scp session open?
[20:32] <andreiiar> No.
[20:33] <andreiiar> I am just going to kill that. Fuck it!
[20:33] <keyvin> If it were my box, I would feel pretty confident killing it
[20:33] <keyvin> lol, what I was just getting ready to say
[20:33] <EpixP0ison> i kill everything on mine
[20:33] <EpixP0ison> :(
[20:33] <EpixP0ison> i bent my gpio4
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[20:34] <keyvin> I have no clue why there would be an sshd subprocess active that wasn't attatched to a psuedoterminal unless you left like winscp logged in somewhere
[20:34] <EpixP0ison> its the end of the world as i know it :(
[20:34] <andreiiar> No it was new box
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[20:34] <andreiiar> Gentelmen I have an announcement!!!
[20:35] <Kymru> if i mounted /dev/sdb3 /home/pi/HDX1000 and went into WinSCB to /home/pi and deleted the folder HDX1000 from right click, would it delete the HDX1000 folder or would it delete the contents of /dev/sdb3
[20:35] <andreiiar> It's working.
[20:35] <andreiiar> omg Kymru wrecked my glory
[20:36] <Kymru> what?
[20:36] <andreiiar> You never talk if somebody has an announcemnt to make.
[20:36] <andreiiar> Where is your manners?!
[20:36] <tig|> Kymru: at a guess it would delete the contents but not the folder as that is in use by the mountpoint
[20:36] <tig|> andreiiar: what is working?
[20:36] <Kymru> what announcement?
[20:37] <Kymru> cheers tig|
[20:37] <andreiiar> Who cares :( You ruined it.
[20:37] <tig|> andreiiar: also mind the language as there are channel rules about that sort of thing
[20:37] <andreiiar> I am going to eat my hotwings with wet eyes.
[20:37] <andreiiar> I'm not allowed to say glory?
[20:37] <xenomorph> andreiiar I enjoyed your announcement! ;)
[20:38] <tig|> andreiiar: it was a shorter word :) but anyway moving on :)
[20:38] <andreiiar> It;s not about that kind of glory you watch in porn you know.
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[20:39] <andreiiar> I am proud owner of a new debian based distribution. I forgot to backup my webpage before I formated my SD card though.
[20:39] <tig|> andreiiar: whoops
[20:39] <sney> what does it do, then
[20:40] <sney> what is the purpose of your new distribution
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[20:40] <Kymru> andreiiar, didnt you write that in here about 7 hours ago?
[20:40] <andreiiar> No.
[20:40] <andreiiar> It was probably my cousin who did the same thing.
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[20:41] <andreiiar> The pourpose is I had kali linux and some guy told me it was bad and he didnt want to support it. And I don;t wantto be a criminal.
[20:41] <sney> what.
[20:42] <sney> everything about that premise is insane.
[20:42] <ozzzy> criminal?
[20:42] <xenomorph> andreiiar that's bullsh*t
[20:42] * xenomorph was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[20:42] <sney> I expected a bad excuse for making a new distro, but not quite that nuts
[20:43] <tig|> kali linux is designed for a specific use but it is a tool like a hammer, you can use it to build something by hammering a nail to secure wood together or to smash a window
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[20:43] <tig|> but if you don't need that tool then it seems daft to carry it around
[20:43] <xenomorph> Sorry.
[20:43] <sney> and many people need to be reminded that distros like Kali, backtrack, etc, do not magically turn them into hackers
[20:43] <sney> or criminals, for that matter, I guess
[20:44] <tig|> well crackers really
[20:44] <sney> I know the distinction, but the people who think that don't
[20:44] <sney> they are thinking "hacker" like on TV
[20:44] <sney> so if I'm going to make fun of them, I'll do it in their language so they understand me :P
[20:45] <tig|> sney: I suspected you did :-)
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[20:46] <andreiiar> These hot wins are .... HOT!!!
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[20:47] * ozzzy 's pi has a memory footprint of around 75M
[20:47] <ozzzy> that's small enough for me
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[20:50] <andreiiar> Any girls from romania here?
[20:51] <ozzzy> did I end up in #eharmony by mistake?
[20:52] <andreiiar> What client are you using? Channels are usualy at top of the window.
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[21:02] <Kymru> andreiiar, why romanian girls?
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[21:03] <sney> he's probably romanian himself and, like many people from that part of the world, thinks that he can find girls in chat rooms
[21:03] <sney> regardless of the nature of said chat rooms.
[21:04] <Kymru> oh, i find it easier to go outside and chat to them face to face
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[21:05] <sney> indeed
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[21:09] <lordow> girls on freenode.. lol
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[21:10] <sney> there are some, surely. but here for something else
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[21:12] <EpixP0ison> i might start a PI forum
[21:12] <EpixP0ison> :/
[21:12] <EpixP0ison> even better host it on my pi
[21:13] <sney> I can hear php screaming already
[21:13] <EpixP0ison> what do you mean
[21:13] <EpixP0ison> php runs fine
[21:13] <lordow> heh
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[21:13] <sney> well, assuming it doesn't just fail silently with no users the way many forums do
[21:14] <EpixP0ison> i have lightpdd php5-cgi php5 and php5-mysql and mysql
[21:14] <EpixP0ison> all working
[21:14] <sney> congratulations.
[21:14] <EpixP0ison> thanks lel
[21:14] <sney> let me know how it goes when your client count breaks 50.
[21:14] <lordow> now add 1k+ users and we will see :-)
[21:14] <EpixP0ison> umm
[21:14] <EpixP0ison> i have done test like that before
[21:14] <EpixP0ison> a local httpd dos to test threads
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[21:15] <EpixP0ison> lighttpd can take a blow
[21:15] <EpixP0ison> apache however.....
[21:15] <sney> yes yes, I'm sure you have tested it and it was amazing and why don't production websites all use raspberry pis instead of those expensive servers
[21:15] <EpixP0ison> lets just not talk about apache
[21:15] <sney> have fun
[21:15] <EpixP0ison> umm i never said that lol
[21:15] <EpixP0ison> my "large" website runs on tiny vps's
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[21:15] <EpixP0ison> all of the front end is 32mb ram servers
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[21:16] <EpixP0ison> 873713 hits per month
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> It's cheaper to run 100VMs off a modern system, than 100 Pis
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> From all perspectives.
[21:16] <EpixP0ison> exactly
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