#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-10-09

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[0:00] <trelane> is the +5v on the GPIO direct from power or? wanting to switch some relays that take some amount of power and the raspi is already power starved :/
[0:01] <Phosie> I believe so
[0:01] <ShorTie> best to power them from a different source
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[0:02] <rikkib> Careful there is a limit on the ammount of current that can be drawn from the gpio
[0:02] <rikkib> check the wikki
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[0:03] <rikkib> http://elinux.org/RPi_Hub
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[0:06] <rikkib> 50 mA max (01 & 17)
[0:07] <rikkib> On the 3.3v pin
[0:07] <rikkib> P1-01
[0:07] <rikkib> P1-17
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[0:09] <rikkib> Power pins
[0:09] <rikkib> The maximum permitted current draw from the 3.3 V pins is 50 mA.
[0:09] <rikkib> Maximum permitted current draw from the 5 V pin is the USB input current (usually 1 A) minus any current draw from the rest of the board.[14]
[0:09] <rikkib> * Model A: 1000 mA - 500 mA -> max current draw: 500 mA
[0:09] <rikkib> * Model B: 1000 mA - 700 mA -> max current draw: 300 mA
[0:10] <rikkib> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[0:20] <Peetz0r> Hi! Can I connect a 230v relais directly to a gpio pin or do I need a transistor in between
[0:20] <Peetz0r> oh wait, the answer is a few lines above
[0:20] <Peetz0r> I should check if the relais needs less than 50 mA
[0:20] <Peetz0r> lemme find a relais
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[0:22] <mgottschlag> Peetz0r: the rpi's pins are limited to about 16mA and you might fry things if you do anything else
[0:22] <mgottschlag> also, 5V relays are more common than 3.3V
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[0:23] <mgottschlag> and I don't think GPIO pins handle inductive loads (=relay coils) and the associated voltage spikes during switching very well
[0:23] <mgottschlag> so, use a transistor
[0:25] <pksato> to drive relay, allways uses a transistor. discrete or packaged as array.
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[0:31] <Peetz0r> oh, it's speled relay in english :p didn't know that :)
[0:31] <Peetz0r> But I can onlyfind 12v relays here (= local hackerspace)
[0:31] <Peetz0r> so I'm screwed, right?
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[0:33] <Peetz0r> or, I should find a 12v supply and a 5v/usb suply, connect the 5v supply to the Pi, connect the 12v ground to the gpio header ground, and connect the relais to the 12v supply with transistors between them and the gpio pins
[0:33] <Peetz0r> is that correct?
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[0:36] <ShorTie> doesn't matter what voltage they are in away
[0:37] <ShorTie> you can not control them directly
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[0:37] <pksato> check her http://www.pcbheaven.com/wikipages/Transistor_Circuits/
[0:38] <ShorTie> ya, it is normally best to have all grounds tied together
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[0:42] <ShorTie> don't forget, you really need to 'size' your relays like backwards from how your thinking i think
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[0:44] <ShorTie> you first need to figure out what your controlling, that in turns give you the specifactions to look for a relay
[0:45] <ShorTie> coil voltage is not critical as the rest
[0:46] <ShorTie> and a good fudge factor in there will make the points last longer
[0:47] <Peetz0r> the goal is to control a smoke machine from a python script (which also plays a movie with awesome sound effects and stuff)
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[0:48] <ShorTie> that gives absolutly no clue as what is needed for the relay
[0:49] <ShorTie> you got link to smoke machine ??
[0:50] <pksato> I think, you need a more complex circuit. relay on power on or off.
[0:50] <pksato> only power on or off/
[0:50] <Peetz0r> yes, I need oly on and off
[0:51] <pksato> on/off at low speed.
[0:51] <Peetz0r> yes
[0:51] <Peetz0r> no pwm or stuff like that
[0:51] <Peetz0r> just on, and maybe10 seconds later off
[0:51] <pksato> low as one click per minute.
[0:51] <Peetz0r> maybe more than one per minute, but definately less than one per second
[0:52] <pksato> can replace relay with a solid state versiom, the ssr.
[0:52] <ShorTie> i would think the relay could out react the smoke machine in timing
[0:52] <Peetz0r> and I want the circuit to be re-usable tocontrol other 230v devices in the future
[0:52] <pksato> or thrystor/triac.
[0:52] <ShorTie> ah, a clue, 230v
[0:53] <pksato> need to use opto-coupler.
[0:53] <pksato> to isolate high voltage.
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[0:54] <ShorTie> i would think the relay would isolate the high voltage, 230v, ok
[0:54] <pksato> using more complex circuit, you can control oil drop and fan speed.
[0:55] <Peetz0r> The smoke machine ws really just an example
[0:55] <Peetz0r> but I want tocontrol other 230v devices in the future
[0:55] <pksato> and a pigment to change smoke color.
[0:56] <ShorTie> the voltage of the device is relavant, but current is more of the limiting factor
[0:56] <Peetz0r> I *just* want to control a 230v switch from a python script.
[0:56] <Peetz0r> 16A if that would be possible
[0:57] <Peetz0r> but i'dsettle for less
[0:57] <pksato> for on/off like room lamp, relay is ok.
[0:57] <pksato> to quick on/off need to use a SSR or tiac+opto-coupler.
[0:59] <Sonny_Jim> Why would you ever want to switch 230V quickly?
[0:59] <ShorTie> so now your talkin, you want a relay that can handle 230v @ 16a
[0:59] <Sonny_Jim> And you realise how much power is involved with 230V@16A?
[0:59] <pksato> to a 'dancing' ligth.
[0:59] <Sonny_Jim> A relay to do that much wouldn't be hard to get
[0:59] <Peetz0r> Sonny_Jim: yes, I know what 230V 16A can do
[0:59] <ShorTie> first you find those spec's, then search for a nice coil voltage
[1:00] <Sonny_Jim> Check industrial DIN stuff
[1:00] <pksato> triac easy handle 16A.
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[1:00] <Sonny_Jim> You mean like a strobe light?
[1:00] <pksato> but, to use relay, need a big one.
[1:01] <Sonny_Jim> Well, one that won't destroy the contacts through arcing
[1:01] <Peetz0r> Sonny_Jim: no, I don't need speed
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[1:01] <ShorTie> 16a, you maybe looking for a contactor more then a relay
[1:01] <Sonny_Jim> Then a simple transistor hooked up to a GPIO should do it
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[1:01] <Peetz0r> it's "turn on smokemachine; sleep 10; turn off smoke machine; done;"
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[1:01] <pksato> use SSR
[1:02] <Peetz0r> I am trying to find specs for the smoke machine now
[1:02] <Sonny_Jim> It's not going to be 16A
[1:02] <Sonny_Jim> maybe 3A
[1:02] <Peetz0r> but I don't own the device, and the owner is probably sleeping right now (01:02 here)
[1:02] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, they have a heater element, but it's not that powerful
[1:04] <pksato> http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/blog/optocoupler.html
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[1:09] <pksato> http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=51671.0
[1:12] <pksato> http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-controlled-light-dimmer-The-circuit/
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[1:17] <TheWarden> Hi, where can I find official information about the legalities of using the RPi to play videos commercially? I'm under the understanding that to encode or decode videos commercially one requires a license from MPEG LA but I want to confirm this.
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[1:19] <Sonny_Jim> You've got that slightly wrong I think
[1:19] <Sonny_Jim> You need to purchase a license to unlock the hardware CODECs
[1:19] <Sonny_Jim> Otherwise you don't have any hardware acceleration
[1:20] <Sonny_Jim> It has nothing to do with using a Pi in a commericial situation
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[1:25] <TheWarden> really mmm it states for personal non-commercial use when encoding and decoding on this little piece of paper I got with my RPi.
[1:25] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[1:25] <Sonny_Jim> I wouldn't worry about it
[1:26] <Sonny_Jim> That sounds like a personal liability thing more than anything else
[1:26] <Sonny_Jim> ie I used your CODEC and it screwed my business, you are liable
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[1:27] <Xark> In the US, I believe showing to >13 people is considered a public performance (i.e., need some license).
[1:27] <TheWarden> oh really.. well I suppose that is a good idea from that side of things. Mmmm, I really sure confirm this though. Hate to get stung.
[1:27] <Sonny_Jim> Depends on how visible it'll be
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[1:28] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, what's the likelihood of anyone actually noticing vs how much a commerical license for the codec is going to cost
[1:28] <TheWarden> well see that's my point there could be potentially 100s to eventually 1000s of these things out there.
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[1:28] <Sonny_Jim> Oh right
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[1:28] <Sonny_Jim> If you are reselling rather than supplying a service that's different
[1:28] <Sonny_Jim> Buyer opens up Pi (figuratively), spots you are using a non-commercial license on the codec
[1:28] <TheWarden> we will be re-selling them as a product/service.
[1:28] <Sonny_Jim> All hell breaks loose
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[1:29] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, does the customer own the equipment?
[1:29] <TheWarden> yes the will. There could be cases where one rents it from us instead.
[1:29] <ShorTie> re-selling brings a whole new can of worms into the equation
[1:29] <Sonny_Jim> yup
[1:30] <Sonny_Jim> I'd contact whoever dishes out the licenses and see what a commericial one is going to set you back
[1:30] <TheWarden> crap... I need to get this confirmed. okay well I'll have to see what I can find and see then.
[1:30] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, no one gives a crap about GPL violations but if it's something owned by MPEG.....
[1:31] <ShorTie> are you producing these shows or re-airing someone elses work ??
[1:31] <Sonny_Jim> If it's just a box to replay network streams, there's plenty of STB's that will do that
[1:31] <TheWarden> because in reality once the product is sold... we can't control what is being played on it. Well in honesty I want to care about the GPL as well... I just don't know where to go from here. I'm going to try and encourage further donations by us to RPi Fondation for each sale.
[1:32] <TheWarden> ShorTie: The content can be anything really... usually created by the customer but they are the ones liable for the content they choose to display not us since we can't control that.
[1:32] <chithead> the mpeg la is profit oriented. if there is no money to be had by suing you, they will leave you alone. but once you start to make profits, be sure that they will know about you
[1:32] <PKodon> Hey, someone asked me a question: can you use a Raspberry Pi connected to a computer via Ethernet to play DVDs off that computer's DVD drive, on an old (non-digital) TV set?
[1:32] <TheWarden> chithead: well there will be profits for sure.
[1:32] <Sonny_Jim> Non digital....
[1:32] * Sonny_Jim thunks head
[1:33] <Sonny_Jim> You mean CRT?
[1:33] <Sonny_Jim> Which incidentally will have digital electronics
[1:33] <TheWarden> I want to also push donating to Debian as well but not sure I can convince the powers that be.
[1:33] <TheWarden> well thanks for hte input. I'll have to dig into this deeper. I must be going. take care all.
[1:34] <PKodon> Well, an old NTSB TV. I know the Raspberry Pi has the yellow video plug, but can it access the other computer's DVD player, via Ethernet?
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[1:34] <Sonny_Jim> Personally, I would rip the DVD to a file and do it that way
[1:34] <Sonny_Jim> Is it an actual DVD or a DVD with an avi on it?
[1:34] <PKodon> Personally, that's what I told him to do. Actual, commercial DVD.
[1:35] <Sonny_Jim> Do that and share the resulting file over the network
[1:35] <PKodon> I think they should just look for a DVD player, myself.
[1:35] <Sonny_Jim> It would be too much of a pita to sort out playing an actual DVD over a network
[1:35] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah right
[1:35] <Sonny_Jim> About the only consumer product that's cheaper than a Pi is a DVD player
[1:35] <PKodon> Heh.
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[1:36] <ShorTie> i would think you would need to setup a video server and play it on the pc with dvd, then share it out from there
[1:36] <Sonny_Jim> VLC would probably be able to do it
[1:36] <Sonny_Jim> No need to setup a complex video server
[1:36] <PKodon> Well, it seems a bit complex, if you ask me.
[1:36] <ozzzy> Sonny_Jim: VCR
[1:36] <chithead> you can export the dvd via nfs or nbd
[1:36] <Sonny_Jim> Why can't they just plug the PC into the TV?
[1:37] <chithead> or aoe
[1:37] <Sonny_Jim> chithead: Is there a DVD player app on the Pi?
[1:37] <chithead> the pi cpu can decode mpeg2 sd, so you can use any linux application that plays dvds
[1:37] <PKodon> It's a CRT-style TV, no VGA or HDMI input, just they Yellow/Red/White plugs for video/L/R audio.
[1:38] <Sonny_Jim> So spend $10 on an HDMI-composite convertor off ebay
[1:38] <Sonny_Jim> Or $10 on a video card for the PC with comp output
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[1:38] <ShorTie> yellow/white/red is what the rPi has
[1:38] <PKodon> Or, perhaps the C/M/Y or H/S/V plugs, if it's a fancy one.
[1:39] <ozzzy> there's already a composite out... you just need a 3.5 phono to RCA cord
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[1:39] <Sonny_Jim> ozzzy: Not on the PC that has the DVD drive there isn't
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[1:39] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, ffs just buy a DVD player and be done with it
[1:39] <ozzzy> ahhh... thought he was talking Pi
[1:39] <ozzzy> [shrug]
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[1:40] <PKodon> ozzzy: I was talking about Pi connected to computer via Ethernet, could it play a DVD off of the computer's DVD drive (and display it on a composite TV).
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[1:41] <PKodon> All this drive sharing stuff in Windows gets confusing.
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[1:44] <ShorTie> just do it the easy way and get 1 of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-USB-2-0-to-3-IDE-SATA-S-ATA-2-5-3-5-Adapter-Cable-/370914714530?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item565c3d63a2
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[1:48] <obihann> Hey all, I'm looking for a good torrent client for the pi, I've tried deluge but I find its too resource heavy... Any suggestions?
[1:48] <Phosie> Never had problems with transmission
[1:51] <ozzzy> PKodon: interesting... I have no idea
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[1:51] <obihann> I've used it on mac, never thought to try it on the pi
[1:51] <ozzzy> you could share the drive as just a drive and play the VOB over the network
[1:52] <obihann> Does transmission offer a command line interface and web access?
[1:53] <chithead> obihann: maybe rtorrent
[1:54] <obihann> FFS! Is it asking too much of my raspberry pi to run the deluge daemon and berrio without crashing?
[1:54] <obihann> now I have to power cycle it cause I can't even SSH :(
[1:54] <Phosie> obihann: I don't know about CLI but it has web access
[1:54] <otak> rtorrent runs in cli or screen, you can automate it, not sure how up to date it is tho'
[1:54] <obihann> thanks
[1:55] <otak> oh there is transmission-cli too (in debian)
[1:55] <obihann> I would much perfer something with cli because I would like to be able to just ssh in instead of using a monitor and such
[1:55] <obihann> otak: awesome!
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[1:57] <delinquentme> sooo I'm using a pi to run a pretty intense tool
[1:57] <delinquentme> and it seems to be crashing from the abuse
[1:58] <delinquentme> is there some rule of thumb metric that I can go by for timing to keep it alive?
[1:58] <chithead> pi crashing under load could point to a poor power supply
[1:59] <delinquentme> its plugged into a wall wart
[1:59] <delinquentme> if its plugged it ... it should be just fine right?
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[2:00] <ShorTie> hard to say without more info
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[2:00] <Sonny_Jim> delinquentme: What rating is the power supply?
[2:00] <SlickMcRunFast> Hey
[2:01] <SlickMcRunFast> Is it possible to replace the current OS on the SD card while its running?
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[2:02] <delinquentme> 5v 1000 ma
[2:02] <SlickMcRunFast> like dropping it down to a run in memory mode and then replace it?
[2:02] <delinquentme> Sonny_Jim, ^
[2:02] <Sonny_Jim> "Memory mode"?
[2:02] <chithead> the psu rating unfortunately doesn't tell whether it is a good one or not
[2:02] <SlickMcRunFast> ram
[2:02] <Sonny_Jim> No.
[2:02] <SlickMcRunFast> run the os in ram with like in ram filesystems
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[2:04] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, it would be possible, but you wouldn't bother
[2:04] <SlickMcRunFast> forgot my sd card reader and tomorrow is too far away
[2:04] <Sonny_Jim> Not easily, no
[2:05] <Sonny_Jim> You'd need to repartition the card, copy the distro onto the second partition then tell the bootloader to boot the 2nd partition
[2:05] <Sonny_Jim> (or third partion, as it would be)
[2:07] <SlickMcRunFast> guess its a failed project. I don't have a monitor either
[2:07] <SlickMcRunFast> just ssh
[2:07] <SlickMcRunFast> oh well
[2:07] <SlickMcRunFast> thanks
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[2:08] <pksato> SlickMcRunFast: have a usb drive? move current rootfs to it, and tell kernel to load from.
[2:08] <SlickMcRunFast> yes i do
[2:08] <pksato> and, after reboot, you can do any thing on SD.
[2:09] <pksato> but, if you do some wrong, you can not boot again.
[2:09] <SlickMcRunFast> forgot this thing had a usb port
[2:09] <SlickMcRunFast> 2
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[3:13] <SlickMcRunFast> attempting noobs silentinstall hoping it will replace my boot too
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[3:22] <SlickMcRunFast> fail
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[3:29] <SlickMcRunFast> boot was not overwritten i guess
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[4:12] <stokje> hey guys...I have a quick(ish) question: Im running the Occidentalis v0.2 (a build of Raspbian from adafruit) which has the 8192cu drivers (wireless USB wifi) compiled into it. This seems good news as my WiFi works straight-away, but the crap thing is that my WiFi keeps going into "Power Saving Mode", cutting out my connection, and the normal fix of "nano /etc/modprobe.d/8192cu.conf" where
[4:12] <stokje> you enter "options 8192cu rtw_power_mgnt=0" does not work! After reboot when I cat "/sys/module/8192cu/parameters/rtw_power_mgnt" it is still at 1. My noobness must come in from I dont understand how to set "options" on a driver pre-compiled into a kernel, as the "fix" I am trying to do runs on modules and typing "lsmod" I do not see a 8192cu module...I am guessing my kernel 8192cu drivers
[4:12] <stokje> are at "lib/modules/3.1.9adafruit+/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi" but I cant even be sure. Any help from you bored geniuses is highly appreciated...ive spent ages beating my head against this issue..
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[4:22] <[Saint]> wireless wifi? :)
[4:22] <stokje> doh
[4:22] <stokje> :)
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[4:25] <stokje> oh well I give up anyway
[4:25] <[Saint]> I have no idea what Occidentalis is doing for the most part.
[4:26] <[Saint]> I use Arch, a very different creature.
[4:26] <stokje> well its not really about the occidentalis
[4:26] <stokje> let me pose it more generically: when you compile a driver/module "into" a kernel, is it still a module?
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[4:27] <stokje> because I cant see any network related module in "lsmod", so im stumped as to how my 8192cu is even functioning
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[4:50] <andrew9183> anyone play with node?
[4:53] <ring0> anyone play with play-doh?
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[5:22] <ct0> hey what lightweight distro's is everyone running, the newest rasbian is too big for my card
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[5:23] <Sonny_Jim> Arch linux is pretty small from what I hear
[5:23] <ct0> i couldnt ssh after installing arch
[5:23] <Sonny_Jim> Did you install the sshd?
[5:24] <ct0> i did not, didnt really try that hard, the machine was not anywhere near a hdmi video display
[5:24] <ct0> i could try it again
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[5:33] <ct0> Sonny_Jim, i found a great guide http://elinux.org/ArchLinux_Install_Guide
[5:33] <ct0> going to give it another shot
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[5:45] <atomi> has anyone installed bower using npm on the rPi?
[5:45] <atomi> I'm getting some errors :(
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[5:51] <[Saint]> atomi: It should just be "make sure you have node.js and npm installed, then do "npm install -g bower""
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[6:24] <atomi> [Saint]: I do I've installed coffee-script and grunt and nodemon but bower errors with:
[6:24] <atomi> Error: ENOENT, lstat '/usr/local/lib/node_modules/bower/node_modules/update-notifier/node_modules/semver/test/index.js'
[6:24] <atomi> even tried it with sudo
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[6:25] <atomi> actually npm install needs sudo
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[6:27] <[Saint]> I'd give "npm cache clean && npm install -g bower" a go.
[6:27] <atomi> [Saint]: yeah I did npm rm -g bower too
[6:28] <[Saint]> and, afaik, npm install shouldn't need sudo at all.
[6:28] <[Saint]> permission issues?
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[6:28] <atomi> weird if I don't use sudo I get an EACCESS error requesting I run again with root/Administrator privileges
[6:30] <atomi> [Saint]: yea, it might be a permission issues
[6:30] <atomi> *issue
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[6:56] <storge> -channels #raspberrypi * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
[6:57] <[Saint]> Nein!
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[7:00] <storge> i forgot the /ignore
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[7:04] <[Saint]> Nein!
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[7:07] <storge> Jawohl!
[7:08] <[Saint]> Sir?
[7:08] <[Saint]> Damn skippy.
[7:08] * [Saint] rarely sees jawohl used.
[7:09] <storge> jawohl mein ubersturmfreund
[7:11] <[Saint]> super storm boyfriend?
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[7:12] <[Saint]> Freundin is more comon iiuc.
[7:12] <storge> whatevs
[7:12] * storge is no kraut
[7:12] <Sonny_Jim> I guess it's a bit like an English person saying "Quite"
[7:13] <Sonny_Jim> As in, "Strange weather today old chap"
[7:13] <Sonny_Jim> "Quite"
[7:13] * storge actually is kraut, as his family is from deutschland
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[7:13] <[Saint]> Pip pip, tally ho, stiff upper lip, etc.
[7:14] <Sonny_Jim> Rather
[7:14] <Sonny_Jim> I say, tea and scones?
[7:14] <Sonny_Jim> Sounds tip top
[7:14] <storge> pip pip, tally ho, my old man's a mushroom, jolly good, et cetera
[7:14] <[Saint]> After Coronation Street.
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[7:14] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I'm pleased
[7:14] <Sonny_Jim> My Pi controlled SNES is working now
[7:15] <Sonny_Jim> Took me two weeks of fiddling
[7:15] <Sonny_Jim> Although there's still issues, it's certainly working better now
[7:15] <[Saint]> Actual pi-controlled SNES, or emulation?
[7:15] <Sonny_Jim> Actual
[7:15] <[Saint]> Nice.
[7:15] <Sonny_Jim> Plugs into the controller port
[7:15] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty easy to do, as it happens
[7:16] <[Saint]> Now you can code yourself a perfect game of Mario.
[7:16] <[Saint]> I'm working on a clock made from Pong.
[7:17] <[Saint]> A side is programmed to lose every minute, and the other every hour, and reset at midnight. :)
[7:17] * [Saint] saw it done somewhere and thought it was awesome.
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[7:22] <tig|> 'nings all
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[7:25] <[Saint]> But...b...but, its 'noon here!
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[7:26] <tig|> well afternoonings then :)
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[7:27] <tig|> it is 0630 here and I am in the office >.<
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[7:30] <tig|> not sure if I am committed to my job or just should be committed :)
[7:31] <Phosie> 6:30 and I haven't slept yet
[7:32] <Phosie> morning tig|
[7:32] <tig|> 'nings Phosie
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[7:34] <Phosie> I'm at work later, don't want to go.
[7:34] <tig|> I know that feeling :)
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[7:34] <Phosie> My bed is too cosy
[7:35] <tig|> not seen mine since 0345 :'C
[7:36] <Phosie> Ouch!
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[7:36] <tig|> and now I am updating some fluffykittening windows servers :<
[7:37] <Phosie> fun. I'll be making windows in just over an hour
[7:38] <tig|> but that is my own fault
[7:38] <tig|> glass ones?
[7:39] <Phosie> yes :D
[7:39] <tig|> hurrah!
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[7:40] <Phosie> splinter heaven
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[7:41] <tig|> :/
[7:41] <Phosie> Oh well, used to it.
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[7:42] <tig|> at least I can play with my pi while waiting for updates to finish :)
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[7:43] <Phosie> Lucky you
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[9:38] <Azusa> Anyone talking?
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[9:41] <Jck_True_> Azusa: IRC is pretty dead by nature ;)
[9:41] <tig|> depends on the time and channel
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[9:41] <Azusa> Jck_True: Yeah, I feel like I've gotten in to it too late.
[9:41] <shiftplusone> Nuh, you just joined late. We've already discussed everything.
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[9:49] <urs> "Hi, I've got a problem with my farnargle on my garglebunch" - "Dude, we discussed that, like, 15 years ago!"
[9:50] <shiftplusone> heh
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[9:51] <tig|> "it's not my problem if people don't keep logs"
[9:51] <tig|> :P
[9:52] <willybilly0101> I don't
[9:53] <Azusa> I do on my phone, never checked them though.
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[10:42] <Sonny_Jim> It works!
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[11:16] <mac_nibblet> Anyone got any experience in fixing mmal_vc_component_create: failed to create component 'vc.ril.camera' (1:ENOMEM)
[11:16] <mac_nibblet> with the raspberry pi camera _
[11:16] <mac_nibblet> it was working flawlessly yesterday and today i come to the office it's dead ?
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[11:25] <nanu_cent> kind of question
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[11:25] <nanu_cent> anyone knows how-to send a word via i2c and python
[11:25] <nanu_cent> everything is working
[11:25] <SrRaven-work> Hello, anyone here ever use their Pi as a sous vide controller?
[11:26] <nanu_cent> but i dont understand write_word_data(addr,cmd,val)
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[11:31] <Sonny_Jim> My SNESBot schematic:
[11:31] <Sonny_Jim> http://github.com/sonnyjim/snesbot/blob/master/snesbot_schematic_v1.png
[11:31] <SrRaven-work> Whats a Snesbot?
[11:31] <Sonny_Jim> A Pi controlled SNES
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[11:31] <Sonny_Jim> Plugs into the controller port
[11:32] <Sonny_Jim> You use a USB joystick to record a game, then it plays it back exactly the same
[11:32] <SrRaven-work> cool
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[11:32] <Sonny_Jim> Because most SNES games random number generators suck hard and use the controller inputs for entropy
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[11:33] <Sonny_Jim> So fighting games, the opponent always acts the same way, random items are always the same etc
[11:33] <storge> interesting
[11:33] <urs> does the snes even *have* any other entropy source?
[11:33] <SrRaven-work> Im still a newbie to the Pi, and im wanting to get a sous vide controller working. Just not quite sure where to start
[11:34] <Sonny_Jim> I need to write a TAS video convertor and then the project will be complete
[11:34] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
[11:34] <Sonny_Jim> Well, depends on the game
[11:34] <Sonny_Jim> Megaman on the NES had a novel method, can't remember what it was exactly
[11:34] <Sonny_Jim> I think it looked to see how many sprites were drawn in the first two frames or something
[11:34] <Sonny_Jim> Most games just count the number of frames before a controller input and use that as the seed for the RNG
[11:34] <Sonny_Jim> ie when you press start on the title screen
[11:35] <tig|> mac_nibblet: I got mine into a state once and had to reboot it
[11:37] <mac_nibblet> tig|: it has not been working for about 4 hours
[11:37] <mac_nibblet> and out of nowhere it just started working again
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[11:49] <ShorTie> mac_nibblet, have you double checked your ribbon cable connections ??
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[11:51] <mac_nibblet> ShorTie: yeah
[11:51] <mac_nibblet> well it's working now
[11:51] <mac_nibblet> so im not going to touch it
[11:51] <ShorTie> ok
[11:52] <nanu_cent> is there any ressource explaning how to send 2 bytes via i2c?
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[11:52] <krautguy> hi everyone
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[11:58] <Moonboot> Hi
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[12:15] <hexabit> A friend of mine use cowsay but thought it would be nicer if there were girls instead of a cow.
[12:15] <hexabit> So i made a program for him called "chicksay" :)
[12:16] <kai> hm, I'd have expected a chicken in that one
[12:16] <hexabit> http://www.codeland.se/pup_pplog.pl?viewDetailed=00043
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[12:16] <hexabit> Warning! No chickens if you know what i mean...
[12:16] <hexabit> ;)
[12:17] <hexabit> Made it in shellscript, so you can customize it all you want.
[12:18] <kai> ah, and when you say girl, apparently you mean pin-up
[12:18] <hexabit> kai: hehehe that's right :)
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[12:19] <hexabit> Hope you like it.
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[12:19] <kai> it's a distinction that is important if you want to stay out of trouble at work
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[12:25] <hexabit> I forgot to put up the downloadlink, but it's there now :)
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[12:38] <ShorTie> nifty hexabit
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[12:39] <hexabit> ShorTie: Thankyou! :)
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[12:40] <pwuertz> Hi! I'm trying to cross compile C code for the raspberry pi on ubuntu. However, the compile command "arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc test.cpp -o test -march=armv6j" returns with the error "test.cpp:3:10: sorry, unimplemented: Thumb-1 hard-float VFP ABI"
[12:41] <pwuertz> the code is a simple hello world printf
[12:42] <pwuertz> The arm-linux-gnueabihf toolchain from the ubuntu repository seems to be fine, since it already compiled a kernel that is running on the pi.
[12:43] <pwuertz> But I don't know why it fails to compile hello world ^^
[12:43] <pwuertz> is there a cflag I'm missing?
[12:44] <chris_99> why isn't the pcb layout of the Pi open
[12:45] <chithead> -marm if gcc was built with --with-mode=thumb according to gcc -v
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[12:48] <pwuertz> chithead: ah, that successfully compiles the program.. although, running it gives me a segmentation fault :(
[12:48] <mac_nibblet> Random question, how many people here use a overcklocked pi ?
[12:49] <chithead> mac_nibblet: most distros overclock the pi by default, so almost everybody
[12:49] <mac_nibblet> uh, not me im running at 700
[12:49] <mac_nibblet> what is the *recommend*
[12:50] <urs> I've never seen a pi that had problems running at 900
[12:50] <kai> how do I tell? I sure didn't set up anything myself
[12:51] <kai> but ambient temperature where my rpi is sitting right now is ~38 °C, so I rather not produce any more heat
[12:51] <chithead> cpu frequency is set in config.txt
[12:51] <chithead> voltage is more important than frequency when it comes to power consumption
[12:52] <kai> ok, then I don't overclock my rpi
[12:53] <urs> also, when overclocking, remember to pull up ram and core frequency a little, not just arm freq.
[12:53] <urs> since the memory controller runs with core freq.
[12:54] <urs> otherwise you won't actually gain much performance (depending on your type of workload, of course)
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[12:55] <pwuertz> any idea why I'm getting segmentation fault for cross compiled binaries?
[12:55] <kai> the only thing that feels a bit slow on my rpi is reading from the w1 bus, and I think that's not caused by the CPU speed :)
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[13:03] <mac_nibblet> kai: try transcoding video from the PI camera to something viewable in a html5 browser without flash
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[13:06] <kai> fair enough
[13:06] <kai> but you don't do that in a warm dark room :)
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I run most of my Pi's at 700.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> have one at 900.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> pwuertz, why can't you compile directly on the Pi?
[13:09] <Ben64> how can i make a battery powered pi? I'd like to use AAs
[13:09] <Ben64> a mintyboost doesn't put out enough power
[13:10] <kai> moar mintyboosts!
[13:10] <Ben64> can that be done?
[13:10] <Ben64> connect 2 mintyboost's output in parallel and get more power?
[13:10] <kai> but kidding aside, how many amps does a rpi draw? I think you'd drain batteries pretty fast
[13:11] <Ben64> 700ma at most
[13:11] <Ben64> for B
[13:11] <tig|> Ben64: 700mah as a minimum really
[13:12] <tig|> you can run one from AAs or those lith-ion battery phone chargers
[13:12] <pwuertz> gordonDrogon: I guess I could, it's just for simplicity because I'm writing/developing on my pc and compiling the code there would be much easier and faster
[13:12] <Ben64> 0.7a*5v=3.5w; 1AA = ~1.2v*2.5ah=3wh, so almost 1 hour per AA
[13:13] <Ben64> why 700ma minimum
[13:13] <Ben64> thats not what they say
[13:13] <tig|> Ben64: well unless you are not going to connect anything to it
[13:13] <pwuertz> gordonDrogon: I think I also narrowed the problem down to these crtX.o files the compiler includes when linking the binary
[13:13] <nid0> if you're not connecting anything to it, you need more like 450
[13:14] <tig|> Ben64: the general experience around here is that you want a 700mah psu or you may hit power issues
[13:14] <nid0> 700ma is pretty much the max limit you need even with stuff plugged in, unless you're bypassing the input polyfuse to supply high power devices on the usb
[13:14] <Ben64> maybe a mintyboost would work, but i find it gets mad at high drain
[13:15] <pwuertz> gordonDrogon: linking on the host results in segfaults.. but when I copy over my compiles .o files and link them on the rpi the binary runs without a problem
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[13:15] <kai> pwuertz: that sounds like the cross-linker is doing something odd
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[13:16] <pwuertz> kai: it seems like the startup code included in ubuntu/debian's cross-compiler is wrong
[13:17] <kai> pwuertz: I personally do my compiles on the pi or in qemu-arm\
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[13:17] <pwuertz> kai: yea.. reasonable
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> pwuertz, I'm not an advodate of cross compiling at all. Part of the reason for the Pi was that it was a standalone platform capable of compiling its own code.
[13:18] <pwuertz> at least this now explains why the cross compiler managed to build a working rpi kernel, but fails to build hello world :D
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> pwuertz, I compile all my code on the Pi - however my biggest project is only 20K lines of C. Takes 2 minutes on the rare occasion I compile from scratch.
[13:19] <kai> ok, Samba takes some hours to build
[13:20] <ShorTie> and wiringPi is such a sweet project
[13:20] <pwuertz> yea, guess you are right.. its just that I thought cross compiling is just a matter of "apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnuabihf"
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[13:21] <pwuertz> which it kinda is.. but there is still some linker magic involved I don't know anything about
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[13:30] <mac_nibblet> tig|: hmm now i have a problem with the camera hanging
[13:30] <mac_nibblet> tig|: i reboot but it hangs at [infp] Will now restart.
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[13:32] * ShorTie thinkz i would triple check connections
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[13:35] <mac_nibblet> ShorTie: it only occurs when i try and use a different value for -t then the default
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[13:52] <Davespice> folks, what is a good X desktop IRC client for use on the Pi?
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[13:52] <kai> irssi in an xterm? ;)
[13:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> irssi is the best
[13:53] <kai> kidding aside, I've used xchat before, that was OK
[13:53] <kai> but I'm back to irssi these days
[13:54] <tig|> same, screen+irssi here
[13:54] <J_Rey> Davespice: depends
[13:54] <mac_nibblet> screen irssi here
[13:55] <kai> tmux irsii :)
[13:55] <J_Rey> I like ChatZilla, X-Chat, & WeeChat
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[14:02] <[Saint]> quassel is where its at.
[14:02] <[Saint]> distributed clients are way better than monolithic ones, IMO.
[14:03] <J_Rey> oh yeah, I've been meaning to try that
[14:03] <[Saint]> single database, as many clients as you care to connect, as many identities as you care for.
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[14:25] <Phosie> Fuck, should have added some diodes to my order
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[14:28] <Phosie> Sorry!
[14:28] <tig|> Phosie: mind the language, there are a channel rules about that sort of thing as there may be all ages on here
[14:28] <Phosie> Wrong channel
[14:28] <Phosie> Sorry sorry sorry
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[14:29] <Aquifex> Hi, is the RPI able to recognise a microSD in a SD adaptor? If not that may well be the source of my frustration
[14:29] <Phosie> Sorry, wont happen again
[14:29] <tig|> Aquifex: yes should be able to
[14:29] <tig|> Aquifex: make sure it is all the way in the adaptor though
[14:30] <tig|> Aquifex: there is a slim chance that you have a card that is not compatible but they are not that common
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[14:31] <Aquifex> Hopefully not seeing as they came with the pi and have the logo printed on the side lol. Also, I've got the ACT led blinking three times in a row, Thats apparently the start.elf file not found. where can I download it?
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[14:32] <tig|> Aquifex: probably best to re-image the card (unless you have any work on it already)
[14:32] <tig|> follow the getting started bit on the raspberry pi site
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[14:39] <Aquifex> I've formatted and reeimaged the card a bunch of times. With NOOBS as it is the ACT light blinks randomly for one second then a tiny pinprick of blinking.. On the trubleshooting guide it says replace bootcode.bin, so I do. Now the ACT led blinks three times in a row. Now i'm bypassing NOOBS entirely and going with writing raspbian to the SD as we speak
[14:40] <tig|> never used NOOBS here, always just gone with raspbian
[14:40] <heeed> dd all the way
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[14:41] <Aquifex> win32 disk imager is slooow. and thats just finding the disk image lol
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[14:42] <Aquifex> I will be so happy once i see that waterfall of white text on my tv
[14:48] <Aquifex> ok I've written raspbian to the SD card, put it in the pi, now the ACT led blinks randomly for a good few seconds (I thought it was booting, was so happy), then does that annoying barely-a-pinprick regular blink
[14:50] <Ben64> try a different card
[14:51] <Aquifex> lol such a pain in the neck
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[14:56] <Davespice> does it make any difference if you keep your thumb pressed onto the sd card during boot?
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[14:56] <J_Rey> the way I had to do it last time: I used the SD Card Association’s formatting tool to wipe it at first but XP didn't recognize it as formatted so I rebooted into a Linux LiveCD and used Gparted to check the card for errors & it fixed a couple things then copied the files over. Then worked fine in XP & booted fine with the RPi too
[14:56] <Davespice> I read this yesterday, a guy was able to fix it; http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=57675
[14:57] <J_Rey> er, then I copied
[14:57] <heeed> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[14:58] <J_Rey> so long story short for me, use parted in Linux to format the SD card
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[14:59] <J_Rey> oh wow, didn't think about checking the SD card contacts
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[15:01] <Aquifex> Nope doesn't work either. :(
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[15:05] <J_Rey> Aquifex: which what? there were multiple ideas thrown your way
[15:07] <J_Rey> did you even verify the data looked okay on the other computer before putting it into the RPi?
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[15:11] <Aquifex> Sorry, pressing thumb onto SD card hasn't changed anything. And yep data looked ok. I switched the bootcode.bin with the one on the elinux troubleshooting page and now the ACT led is blinking 3 times regularly. Apparently this means that start.elf isn't found but that is confusing because I double checked it was there when I wrote raspbian on it. I could be corrupt? Which is why i'm no longer using
[15:11] <Aquifex> my inbuilt SD card reader and doing this process again using a digital camera
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[15:31] <J_Rey> Does anyone in the Foundation even lurk here?
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[15:33] <J_Rey> had a convo going in #rasbian about a security issue that comes back to the foundation's default image not Rasbian itself
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[15:38] <IT_Sean> J_Rey: the best way to contact The Foundation is via the contact info on the website.
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[15:39] <gordonDrogon> J_Rey, what's the security issue?
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[15:41] <J_Rey> default configs
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[15:41] <J_Rey> I used NOOBS 1.3 lite to install Raspbian about a week ago
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[15:42] <J_Rey> I had to change sshd config setting PermitRootLogin to no
[15:42] <J_Rey> sudo doesn't ask for a password
[15:43] <J_Rey> users usually wouldn't know to set a root password either unless asked
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[15:44] <J_Rey> I set a root password but sudo still isn't asking for one
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[15:48] <J_Rey> I mean its basic Linux security & how hard is it to ask for 2 passwords on initial setup?
[15:49] <IT_Sean> J_Rey: that's by design. Ease of setup for people that haven't got a spare monitor.
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[15:50] <zencyl> window balance
[15:50] <IT_Sean> If you know enough to make your raspi accessable outside of your own network, you should know enough to set up the basic security
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> that's the same as Debian - rootLogin is allowed there with sshd.
[15:50] <nid0> idd. the pi is designed to be an easy educational device, not a bulletproof-out-of-the-box server.
[15:50] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[15:51] <nid0> configure it properly, or dont plug in ethernet
[15:51] <IT_Sean> The "flaw" you are complaining about is a feature. not a bug.
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> if you want sudo to ask for a password, edit /etc/sudoers ..
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> You are right in that it's a potential issue, but the reality is that if you're going to stick a Pi on a publicly facing service then you probably have more to wory about.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> same goes for a standard Debian install too.
[15:52] <J_Rey> well maybe its the raspi-config script's fault then
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> maybe there isn't a fault?
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[15:52] <J_Rey> it enables the SSH server & shouldn't do it without requiring a root password & having sudo start using one too
[15:53] <IT_Sean> J_Rey: again... this is intentional. Feature. Not a bug.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[15:55] <J_Rey> of all equipment that could be physically damaged by root access & y'all...
[15:55] <pksato> J_Rey: most moderm desktop linux have theses features. If you need a server, use a server oriented linux distribution, one of theses hard do install and configure (dont have gui).
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[15:57] <wolfehr> hey guys, is there a particular apache/mysql distro used that is tuned for pi specifically?
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[15:57] <J_Rey> all I'm hearing are excuses or explanations
[15:57] <J_Rey> If its not designed to be public facing servers then shouldn't that be blocked then??
[15:58] <pksato> wolfehr: have some striped version of raspbian.
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[15:58] <pksato> if rpi are to be a server, yes, it come with hardware firewall.
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> J_Rey, what do you want to hear?
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> J_Rey, we're telling you what it is. deal with it, or complain. We deal with it.
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> J_Rey, we're just users, not the foundation.
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[16:01] <J_Rey> I'd say there's 3 options rather: deal w/ an issue, only complain about it, or contribute toward its resolution
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[16:02] <J_Rey> this is open source, eh?
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[16:02] <J_Rey> I guess I'll fork https://github.com/asb/raspi-config then
[16:02] <nid0> you're more than free to fork raspbian into a release that's secure and less beginner friendly, by all means
[16:04] <J_Rey> isn't there a major difference between the foundation's image (NOOBS & raspi-config) & what you get with the Rasbian Installer (Debian-style)?
[16:04] <pksato> ok, next version come with ssh disabled, if user install, default with no root login, no password, and login with preshared key and totem to store keys.
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[16:05] <J_Rey> I'm not even pushing for full lockdown just not root access
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> J_Rey, yes, open source, but how will you persuade people to use your forked version over the foundations suproted one?
[16:05] <nid0> J_Rey: not that I know of, I havent used NOOBS other than briefly when it was first released but the standard raspbian image comes with ssh enabled, root ssh disabled by virtue of the root acct having no password, the pi/raspberry user, and non-passworded sudo
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> ^ wot he said.
[16:06] <nid0> and ssh was enabled following the preview releases of raspbian that had it disabled, because it made first-time access to the system a total PITA.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> you can not ssh into a 'new' Pi as root.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> (running the foundations Raspbian)
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[16:07] <gordonDrogon> You're really making a mountain out of nothing.
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[16:08] <Tachyon`> but using pi/raspberry and sudo you can walk into root anyway
[16:08] <tig|> especially if you were running it headless
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> if only there was one solution that would work for absolutely everyone - newbies and gurus...
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[16:11] <J_Rey> gordonDrogon: and you don't get it & seem to have only read half of what I typed
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> J_Rey, deal with it.
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> because I can't be bothered.
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[16:14] <tig|> password on sudo would only stop you if you didn't know the default password but your arguement that it would be somehow more secure because you are getting them to type it twice is absurd. "Oh I have just logged in using the default password, oh sudo is asking for the password again, oh fiddlesticks I can't remember what it is..."
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[16:15] <IT_Sean> J_Rey: this "Argument" has happened in here at least twice before.
[16:15] <IT_Sean> the ease of SSHing in is BY DESIGN
[16:15] <IT_Sean> you are, at this point, urinating up a rope.
[16:15] <tig|> language IT_Sean :P
[16:16] * tig| throws a bagel at IT_Sean
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> erm..
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[16:16] <Sonny_Jim> Hey gordonDrogon
[16:16] <Sonny_Jim> It works!
[16:16] <IT_Sean> Um... sorry? Nothing i said there is a violation of the channel language policy
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, it does? cool! (what does?)
[16:16] <tig|> IT_Sean: was only kidding :)
[16:16] <Sonny_Jim> SNESBot!
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> hurrah!
[16:16] <Sonny_Jim> Huzzah!
[16:16] <Sonny_Jim> Drinks all round etc
[16:17] <Sonny_Jim> I was feeding the 4021's 3.3v instead of 5v
[16:17] <Sonny_Jim> Plus I needed a few blocking diodes, buffers etc
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> a-ha...
[16:17] <Sonny_Jim> Hence why it was so flakey
[16:17] <Sonny_Jim> revised schematic
[16:17] * IT_Sean throws a deep fried oreo at tig|
[16:17] <J_Rey> omg
[16:17] <Sonny_Jim> http://github.com/sonnyjim/snesbot/
[16:18] <J_Rey> Ops, please read: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
[16:18] <Sonny_Jim> There's a .png there
[16:18] <tig|> IT_Sean: I didn't know you were of Scottish decent :)
[16:18] <IT_Sean> J_Rey: please do not tell us how to run our channel. Thank you.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> deep fried oreo? Ye gods. I raise you with a delicacy of my home coutry; the deep fried mars bar ...
[16:18] <Sonny_Jim> I'll hae a poke o' chups, please
[16:18] <Sonny_Jim> an' twa fush suppers
[16:19] <tig|> gordonDrogon: I suppose a deep fried oreo could be filed under fusion cuisine :)
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> deep friend pizza to go?
[16:19] <IT_Sean> that's disgusting
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> my first pizza was deep fried.
[16:19] <Sonny_Jim> Just the Irn Bru to wash it down
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> yea!
[16:19] <IT_Sean> (>_<)
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[16:19] * IT_Sean vomits a little
[16:19] <J_Rey> We are on Freenode so its more theirs than yours.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> J_Rey, what are you on about?
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[16:20] <IT_Sean> J_Rey: i will not ask you again.
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> Fun Fact, Scotland is the only country in Europe that has a soft drinks top ten that isn't totally ruled by Coca-cola/Schweppes
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> Go Irn Bru!
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> Barrs ftw etc
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> then there's 'Tablet' and 'Macaroon Bar'.
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[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> First footing and reciting poems to the haggis
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> Born in Broxburn
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> Wee cowering timreous beastie...
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[16:21] <J_Rey> I'm done w/ trying to get anywhere on my previous rant but I didn't appreciate gordonDrogon showing off his ops
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, you have my sympathies.
[16:21] <J_Rey> "Use channel operator privileges sparingly."
[16:21] <Sonny_Jim> Moved out of there pretty swiftly
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[16:21] <gordonDrogon> J_Rey, that was to IT_Sean - a fellow op ...
[16:21] <Sonny_Jim> Oi'm Wezz Country now
[16:21] <tig|> gordonDrogon: with legs on the one side shorter than the other so they can run along the hillsides
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, er, how far west?
[16:21] <Sonny_Jim> But still like to uphold traddition
[16:21] <J_Rey> I took it as directed toward me to hush or be forced out
[16:21] <Sonny_Jim> Grew up just outside of Minehead
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> J_Rey, no.
[16:22] <J_Rey> oh okay, I've unfortunately seen too many ops kickban w/o warning
[16:23] <J_Rey> nevermind then on everything
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> I'm not.
[16:25] <ReggieUK> lol
[16:25] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[16:25] <pksato> Sonny_Jim: Why you not implement all signal control direct on rpi, with out shift registers?
[16:25] <Sonny_Jim> It works!
[16:25] <Sonny_Jim> pksato: Can't bit bang out quick enough for the clock
[16:25] <Sonny_Jim> 12us pulses
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> you can BB 12�S pulses.
[16:26] <pksato> interrution?
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> a lot of jitter though.
[16:26] <Sonny_Jim> Would be simpler hardware, but this way, you just take an broken/knockoff controller and use the 4021's in that
[16:26] <Sonny_Jim> You need the connector anyway, so it made sense
[16:26] <Sonny_Jim> And any, it works
[16:27] * Sonny_Jim does a merry dance
[16:27] <Sonny_Jim> Now to figure out the file format that the speedrun videos use and write a convertor
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[16:28] <Sonny_Jim> I was lying in bed at 3am this morning, thinking about it, then realised I wasn't giving the 4021's the correct Vcc
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[16:54] <SpeedEvil> Woo.
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, So, Zomerset...
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[17:03] <FR^2> I've got a gps module (navilock 552 TTL) with a serial com signal (ttl), and I'd like to connect that to "some module" so that I can access the serial port via bluetooth serial port profile.
[17:03] <FR^2> So the thing I need is some chip or module that transfers the serial ttl signal to bluetooth spp
[17:03] <FR^2> And I don't know if that's possible at all or what to look for
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[17:10] <mgottschlag> FR^2: I am sure that is possible
[17:10] <mgottschlag> at least with a microcontroller inbetween
[17:10] <FR^2> hmm.
[17:11] <FR^2> would have hoped to reduce the effort :) Then I could also use a raspi in between ;)
[17:11] <mgottschlag> because bluetooth modules usually do not just speak ttl serial, but want more control codes
[17:11] <mgottschlag> well, the raspi only has one uart, right? so you'd need another USB uart
[17:11] <FR^2> I guess so, like eg. a PIN and an ack of requests and such...
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[17:12] <FR^2> mgottschlag: connecting the gps to the raspi's internal ttl serial port is no problem, and the software can transfer the data to a usb bluetooth dongle and vice versa.
[17:12] <mgottschlag> (also, I consider a pi more effort than some microcontroller with two uarts, but that always depends on what you have worked with before :) )
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[17:13] <FR^2> Yes, that's the thing: I don't know much about microcontrollers and such
[17:13] <mgottschlag> well, a usb bluetooth module might work as well, but I have no idea whether there is enough software available for what you want to do
[17:13] <FR^2> Hmm. Seems not so trivial.
[17:13] <mgottschlag> hm, isn't that the perfect situation to try working with microcontrollers? ^^
[17:14] <FR^2> Not really. :) I have to stop somewhere ;)
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> why not just connect the serial port directly to the Pi?
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[17:14] <mgottschlag> something like http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-HC-07-Wireless-Serial-4-Pin-Bluetooth-RF-Transceiver-Module-RS232-TTL-New/819902558.html paired with your gps module and... well, there are atmegas with two uarts
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[17:14] <mgottschlag> gordonDrogon: well, if the GPS module speaks serial, and the bluetooth module as well, there aren't enough uarts
[17:14] <FR^2> gordonDrogon: That's the setup I already have :)
[17:15] <FR^2> mgottschlag: No, the thing is I wanted that gps module to be accessible via bluetooth ;)
[17:15] <mgottschlag> so, either an USB bluetooth dongle and some software, or a microcontroller + serial bluetooth and some software
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> FR^2, ok - but (I guess) you want to be wireless?
[17:15] <mgottschlag> FR^2: yes, that's what I mean?
[17:16] <FR^2> Maybe I should just buy some bluetooth gps module and that's it ;)
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> FR^2, ok - good luck. I'm not a fan of wireless when I can use a wire instead.. give me copper any day!
[17:16] <FR^2> gordonDrogon: Yes, I would have wanted it to be separate from the raspberry pi ;)
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> use a longer wire :)
[17:17] <FR^2> :D
[17:17] <FR^2> I probably will :D
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[17:19] <FR^2> One raspberry pi with the gps, a usb bluetooth dongle, gpsd running, and I could connect that to my PC, Laptop, Smartphones.... :D
[17:19] <Windy> anybpody happen to konw how much power is supplied by the pi USB ports?
[17:19] <Windy> wondering if it's possible to run a 2.5" drive or if i absolutely need a powered hub
[17:20] <mgottschlag> Windy: 140mA, that's nowhere near enough for HDDs
[17:20] <mgottschlag> (iirc)
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[17:21] <Windy> thanks
[17:21] <FR^2> http://lm-technologies.com/adapters/bluetooth-serial-adapters-no-pc-required/lm048-bluetooth-serial-adapter/ <-- found something interesting ;)
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[17:28] <FR^2> Hehe, that adapter costs about 100 EURs ;)
[17:28] <BurtyB> FR^2, I hate to think what price that is vs the cheap BT stuff on ebay etc
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[17:32] <FR^2> BurtyB: I think that adapter is meant to be used in industrial environments or such, that could explain the price
[17:32] <FR^2> Well, I'll dump that idea.
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[17:44] <eval-> Does anyone know what sort of (accelerometer?) sensor I could attach to a device that could tell the Pi when it's moved/shaken?
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[17:44] <eval-> Erm, not 'device' ... more object
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[17:45] <eval-> Small, battery powered, wireless(IR?) if possible...
[17:45] <eval-> (Trying to catch a thief with a real world honeypot)
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[17:50] <andreiiar> What a stupid ideea. Why don't you put a camera on it?
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[17:51] <andreiiar> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-12-sensing-movement/hardware
[17:52] <atouk> the pi is small enough to put in a bear trap. that will keep thieves out of your picinic basket
[17:53] <eval-> hahahaha
[17:54] <eval-> http://fcastanedo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/icdsc2013.pdf
[17:55] <Windy> how about a mercury switch?
[17:55] <eval-> The object is small and in a highly trafficked area, so I can't simply detect all movement.. I need to catch exactly who is stealing from this one
[17:56] <Windy> GPS a possibility?
[17:56] <eval-> maybe a I can sneak a magnetometer under it though?
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[17:56] <eval-> we're talking size of a 1lb bag of sugar, not more
[17:57] <Windy> oh wait, the device is being stolen,you just want to detect that with the pi?
[17:57] <Windy> or the pi is being stolen
[17:57] * Windy is confused, sporry
[17:57] <eval-> the bag contains things that are being stolen
[17:57] <atouk> trigger an exploding dye pack
[17:57] <Windy> hehe
[17:57] <eval-> haha
[17:57] <eval-> well there are also legitimate users
[17:57] <Windy> i'm getting curious now
[17:58] <Windy> can you attach a magnet and use a reed switch to detect when it's moved?
[17:59] <eval-> I think that's probably the smartest/cheapest solution, if I can hide the switch under it somehow
[17:59] <eval-> Might have to battery power the pi?
[17:59] <Windy> well, yeah, probably but without you divulging what exactly the situation is it's hard to offer any better suggestions
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[18:00] <eval-> I'd love a general solution in which a tiny accelerometer ping'd out via IR 'I've been moved!' so I could just snap a photo from far away
[18:00] <eval-> And hide it in the bag
[18:01] <Windy> you might look into something like arduino to drive the accelerometer and IR then
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[18:01] <Windy> is someone stealing your halloween candy? that's it isn't it?
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[18:01] <eval-> I think the reed switch and concealing the Pi might be easier, long as I can still position the camera accurately
[18:01] <eval-> haha
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[18:04] <Windy> what about RFID
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[18:04] <Windy> you could hide an RFID tag in the bag, concealed PI underneat. when the RFID goes out of range trigger the camera
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[18:05] <eval-> benefit over the hall effect sensor?
[18:05] <Windy> harder for your thief to pull an indiana jones with a permanent magnet :D
[18:06] <eval-> I'm thinking maybe TinyDuino w/ hall effect under the object, somehow (IR?) pings the Pi across the room when magnet/RFID moves
[18:06] <eval-> I'm just looking for cheapest and easiest, just worried I can't adequately hide the Pi near the bag =/
[18:06] <tolmun> anyone, with working webcam stream with gstreamer-1.0 and omx?
[18:07] <Windy> how "heavily traffic"ed is the location compared to the frequency of the issue? Motion detection software and still images might be easier and cheaper
[18:07] <Windy> if you're looking for one malicious user amongst 100 legit users
[18:08] <tig|> tolmun: not with omx but done it with gstreamer both ends and a pi camera
[18:08] <eval-> I'm just worried we can't positively ID the theif with the particular object unless I have HD photos, and yeah, it's (hopefully!) 100:1
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[18:08] <Windy> hell, even 1/1000. it'd be easier to look through 1000 photos once, than set up some rube goldberg of a contraption
[18:08] <eval-> hahaa
[18:08] <eval-> Well, but then we need to finally prove it... also that increases the storage needs
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[18:09] <eval-> But now an active RFID sounds appealing... the receiver can know how far it is?
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[18:09] <eval-> (ie, the object moved)
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[18:09] <eval-> that would eliminate needing to hide the Pi close
[18:09] <Windy> i don't know much about RFID, it just sounded closer to your original idea
[18:10] <Windy> i thnk they have pretty limited range though
[18:10] <tolmun> tig|: for me only success is saveing webcam video in h264 with omx into .mk
[18:10] <johnc-> active rfid is not what you need
[18:11] <johnc-> the only real solution is something with GPS that can report it's location back to you somehow
[18:11] <Windy> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4832 <-- passive IR to detect movement near your bag, then snap photo
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[18:11] <johnc-> the camera idea miiight work if you don't need to follow where the object ends up
[18:12] <johnc-> motion activated cameras are quite popular to catch people in the act of doing naughty things
[18:14] <eval-> http://www.axsi.com/products/docs/SAFFT_Asset_Tag.pdf
[18:15] <eval-> I'd need a lot more specs on that
[18:17] <eval-> hum, i think they want you to buy it with their receiver. forget it. http://adtlatam.helpserve.com/Knowledgebase/Article/GetAttachment/133/120
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[18:20] <andreiiar> You are not thinking outside the box. You need to direct the motion detector to the ground. If it's taken from it's place it detects movement.
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[18:21] <eval-> andreiiar: I don't get the advantage? there are a lot of objects and people moving about. I need to tag (photograph) all "users" of this particular bag to identify the errorneous one(s)
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[18:22] <ZiNC> Hi.
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[18:25] <ZiNC> Can anyone suggest channels about mini-computers/controllers in general?
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[18:27] <Ascavasaion> I got my new Raspberry Pi today... all excited, connected HDMI, SD card, power supply, WiPi wireless USB dongle, and a 4 port hub for mouse and keyboard. WiPi crashes system or does not allow the keyboard to work. Please please please can someone help me.
[18:28] <IT_Sean> What's a "wipi" ?
[18:28] <IT_Sean> O,h wifi dongle
[18:28] <IT_Sean> Probably needs a powered hub.
[18:28] <IT_Sean> Sounds like the Wifi dongle is drawing too much powah
[18:28] <ZiNC> How's it different than any WiFi dongle?
[18:28] <Ascavasaion> WiPi = Wifi dongle.
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[18:28] <Windy> ZiNC: it's not, except there's probably drivers in all the default images so it's easy
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[18:29] <ZiNC> Looks big.
[18:29] <ZiNC> Assuming it's a specific thing, rather a class.
[18:29] <ShadowJK> Hotplugging it probably will crash things
[18:29] <IT_Sean> Ascavasaion: it sounds like your WiFi dongle is drawing too much power. You may need a powered usb hub to use it. Try booting without it and see if that works.
[18:30] <Ascavasaion> Powered hub? I plugged it straight into the Pi.
[18:30] <IT_Sean> Yes. It very likely will need a powered hub.
[18:30] <Windy> some USB hubs have a separate power supply to provide additional power
[18:30] <IT_Sean> ^ that
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[18:31] <Windy> http://www.amazon.com/Highspeed-Port-Adapter-Silver-Electronics/dp/B003U7G6I0/
[18:33] <ZiNC> A bit of a generic question, but, what's the quickest boot time possible?
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> ZiNC, depends on what you need to do - the kernel will be loaded in under 2 seconds with no USB peripherals to initialise.
[18:34] <ZiNC> Is the bottleneck the storage or the CPU or device init?
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> after that, it's initialising the bigger peripherals - checking the SD card, network, etc.
[18:34] <ZiNC> Oh. Even before SD.
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> for SD - the filesystem is checked - should be < 1 seconds if it's clean.
[18:35] <ZiNC> So at least 3 realistically?
[18:35] <ZiNC> 3 seconds
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> the quickest I've had a Pi load an application and run is 5 seconsd - that was booting Linux, doing the bare minimal initialisation - checking SD, setting up the keyboard and launching my BASIC.
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> its normally about 15-25 seconds to get to the login prompt, depending on what you have going.
[18:36] <ZiNC> Are there more basic OS variants that are still "standard"?
[18:36] <Ascavasaion> Aaaaah, okay, cool man. Another problem I have is that if I remove it while the pi is on and plug it back in, the Pi OS crashes and restarts.
[18:37] <ShadowJK> Ascavasaion; the Pi power system can't handle hotplugging powerhungry stuff.
[18:37] <ZiNC> I'm looking to use it for more of an embedded-type scenario.
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> ZiNC, RiscOS, but I don't think its much quicker.
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[18:38] <ZiNC> Any idea why it is slow?
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> it's not much slower than my laptop.
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> personally I don't think it's slow.
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[18:39] <gordonDrogon> but it's not a microcontroller with everything in flash...
[18:39] <Ascavasaion> ShadowJK: Aaah, never realised that.
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> Linux just has a lot to do to get running.
[18:39] <ZiNC> Not the quickest from a PC-perspective, but compared with embedded it seems very slow.
[18:39] <Ascavasaion> ShadowJK: So, wired LAN will be fine?
[18:39] <ShadowJK> Ascavasaion; built-in ethernet? sure
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> ZiNC, that's because it's not embedded.
[18:40] <ZiNC> Isn't the OS mainly to blame?
[18:40] <Ascavasaion> ShadowJK: Yes, built in ethernet. I thought as much.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> ZiNC, even embeded Linux systems can take some time to boot - e.g. I'm using an OpenWRT based system right now - that runs linux and it takes 30 seconds to boot.
[18:40] <ShadowJK> "embedded" is a silly word. Some people consider anything capable of runninh a linux kernel as not embedded.
[18:40] <ZiNC> I just use it as a label for a class of devices.
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> ShadowJK, I'd consider applying it to a system that has a power-down proof filing system
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> even then it's sometimes tricky, but there are millions of openwrt and similar systems out there...
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[18:41] <ZiNC> Any idea what might be other nice platforms for embedded-like usage,
[18:41] <ZiNC> though, I do need USB, WiFi.
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> ZiNC, it depends what you need. Arduino is pretty common.
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> in which case Arduino might not be the best..
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> as soon as you add networking the resource requirements go up - although there are wi-fi adapters for ATmega platforms.
[18:42] <ZiNC> I haven't researched it enough, but I think I'd like something I could use C/C++ on, with an nice set of existing libs,
[18:42] <ZiNC> not too slow, and with some breathing room memory-wise.
[18:43] <ShadowJK> Getting boot time down on anything will need careful design, a bit like gordon's one-purpose boot?
[18:43] <ZiNC> Delay-loading stuff could be an option.
[18:43] <Windy> most embedded devices i use have boot times 15seconds or greater
[18:43] <Windy> i'm thinking android phones, roku, etc
[18:43] <Windy> you just don't reboot them often so it doesn't matter
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[18:43] <ZiNC> Android's a pretty complex OS with a lot to init.
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> android, roku run linux too..
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> lots of stuff run linux these days...
[18:44] <Windy> ain't it grand? :D
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> for sure!
[18:44] <ZiNC> I just want to read/send USB, a few LEDs, memontary switches, and delay-load a WiFi element.
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> I did put together an "embedded" system myself some time back - runs entirely in RAM...
[18:44] <Ascavasaion> thank you for the advice, will try the wired connection.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> and was designed to be power-fail proof.
[18:45] <ZiNC> gordon, what platform?
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> not easy to upgrade thought )-:
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> ZiNC, x86 - Alix boards.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> although the principles would apply to the Pi too.
[18:45] <ZiNC> How quickly did that boot? :)
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> no quicker.
[18:46] <ZiNC> Should I care what CPU the platform's based on?
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> it has to load in a 32MB compressed root filesystem and uncompress it then boot it.
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[18:46] <ZiNC> I'm thinking, ARM may be an advantage (besides x86, of course), but maybe it doesn't matter.
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> It would go from brick to PBX in under a minute.
[18:46] <ZiNC> gordon: What sort of CPU does it have? Decompress 32MB could take a while. Well, assuming ZIP or something.
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> Even my desk phone that runs Linux (Grandstream GXP2100) takes a minute to boot...
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> Alix - AMD Geode @ 500MHz.
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> as soon as you get into higher levels stuff - usb, wi-fi, networking, etc. then you must expect boot times to rise.
[18:48] <ZiNC> PCs init USB quickly, at least for keyboard/mouse.
[18:48] <Windy> VoIP phones are often network booting though, so that slows boot times
[18:48] <ShadowJK> My PC sometimes needs 3 minutes to init USB, heh
[18:49] <ZiNC> Shadow: POST stage? :)
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> or they need network to load their config - mine is statically configured and it still takes a minute to boot ...
[18:49] <ShadowJK> ZiNC; both
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[18:49] <ZiNC> Shadow: That can't be fun.
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> You can tune a Pi to some extent - remove all unneeded packages.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> no swap, etc.
[18:50] <ZiNC> gordon: slow-starting network devices are annoying, but part of it is the network training, I suppose.
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[18:50] <steve_rox> anyone got a python example of how to query the value of a sensor over gpio?
[18:50] <ZiNC> Though, things like DSL improved since the initial revision.
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> ZiNC, the biggest issue you'll face will be sudden power loss with a live filesystem.
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, x - digitalRead (pin) ; // oops, that's C & wiringPi ;-)
[18:51] <steve_rox> :-P
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> s/-/=/
[18:51] <ZiNC> gordon: I don't plan to do anything fancy. There's not much state to keep, possible even none at all in many cases.
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[18:51] <steve_rox> i obtained a alcahol gas sensor with digital out
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[18:52] <steve_rox> now i just need some python :-P
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, do it in BASIC,you know you really want to :)
[18:52] <steve_rox> nah ive been using python for most things at moment
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> ZiNC, give it a go - all you have to lose is time & money ;-)
[18:52] <ZiNC> BASIC, like GW-BASIC?
[18:52] <steve_rox> i figure i should stay with it for now
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> ZiNC, RTB - Return to BASIC - it's a BASIC I wrote.
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> runs on the Pi with full GPIO access.
[18:53] <ZiNC> The sort that goes: 10 ?"stuff" 20 goto 10 ?
[18:53] <steve_rox> i just need some example code how query a gpio pin value
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> if you want to use line numbers, yes, but we don't normally use line numbers.
[18:53] <ZiNC> :)
[18:53] <ZiNC> Well, I find that I've grown more fond of C. :)
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> in RTB: cycle // print "Hello world "; // repeat
[18:54] <ZiNC> I wouldn't mind JavaScript, though. ;)
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb for an example.
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[18:54] <ZiNC> Does it support DEFSEG?
[18:54] <ShadowJK> not while do ?
[18:55] <ZiNC> ;)
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> defseg ?
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[18:58] <ZiNC> An old command.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> ShadowJK, there is one loop construct cycle...repeat and you can use while or until with that at the top or the bottom of the loop.
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[18:58] <ZiNC> Actually DEF SEG, it seems.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> while foo cycle... repeat or until not foo cycle... repeat..
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> there is def proc and def fn to define procedures and functions (which can be recursive and have local variables)
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> cycle ... repeat until digitalRead (pushButton)
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> all good stuff - if you like BASIC :-)
[19:00] <ZiNC> Not anymore.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> it's written in C.
[19:00] <ZiNC> Although I did use it sometimes for quickly testing simple things.
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[19:01] <ShadowJK> load "@",8,1 ; list
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon> sounds like a spekky command...
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[19:02] <ShadowJK> for x=32768 to 65535; poke x,peek(x); next ; poke 1,0
[19:02] <ShadowJK> (Copy ROM to RAM, disable ROM)
[19:02] <ShadowJK> iirc :)
[19:02] <steve_rox> sounds like a c64 command to me
[19:03] <ShadowJK> ya
[19:03] <steve_rox> i rember it well
[19:03] <steve_rox> still going nuts trying to find some python code
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[19:04] <steve_rox> probly going about it the wrong way
[19:04] <steve_rox> going to eat some foodz
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[19:27] <andrew9183> what would you guys use to detect a goal in foosball? would you use a laser ?
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[19:31] <chris_99> look at how hawkeye works
[19:31] <FrankBlues> Not what you are asking, but the fifa system uses cameras
[19:31] <chris_99> i think they use loads of cameras iirc
[19:31] <FrankBlues> Foosball being the tabletop thing, yeah?
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[19:34] <andrew9183> ya
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[19:34] <J_Rey> Has anyone heard of any issues using this yet? http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#CMA_-_Dynamic_Memory_Split
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[19:36] <funky1> hi all :) i was wondering if anyone knows what the max reading/writing speed is that the SD slot supports on the most recent pi?
[19:38] <J_Rey> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#Performance
[19:38] <FrankBlues> andrew: what about some sort of magnetic sensor?
[19:39] <funky1> J_Rey: thx knew that side, but i meant hardware wise up to what speed it supports but seems to be limited around 20MBs looking at the benchmarks
[19:39] <J_Rey> overclocking can increase rates but also cause corruption
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[19:41] <Chetic> I try to read an i2c device using i2cget but it responds with "Error: Read failed". Is it possible to get more information on what's wrong?
[19:41] <Chetic> I highly suspect my soldering
[19:41] <Chetic> but the multimeter indicates all the right points are connected...
[19:43] <funky1> J_Rey: overclocking can increase reading/writing speed? how would that work
[19:44] <ShadowJK> funky1; 25 would be theoretical max
[19:45] <ShadowJK> but there's overhead
[19:45] <funky1> ah ok
[19:45] <funky1> get it
[19:45] <funky1> thanks
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[19:52] <pksato> Chetic: is using correct parameter to bus and address?
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[19:57] <Chetic> yes pksato
[19:57] <Chetic> no doubt about that
[19:57] <Chetic> i2cdetect even finds the device
[19:58] <pksato> Chetic: some device need to send correct command to read/write data. generic program not work.
[19:59] <Chetic> I'm using the same scripts that have worked for other people
[19:59] <Chetic> with the same device
[19:59] <pksato> that device?
[19:59] <Chetic> also a program I have used with a completely different raspberry pi and the same type of device
[19:59] <Chetic> I know it's not the software
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[20:00] <dheeraj> Hii all
[20:00] <pksato> check wiring.
[20:00] <Chetic> ...
[20:00] <pksato> use a scope to inspect signal.
[20:00] <dheeraj> I am new with rPi
[20:01] <Chetic> is there a way to get more information on what went wrong when it tried to read or write, pksato?
[20:01] <Chetic> i2cget only says "error writing"
[20:01] <Chetic> or rather: Error: Read failed
[20:01] <pksato> Chetic: as root?
[20:01] <Chetic> I want more information
[20:01] <Chetic> than just error
[20:01] <Chetic> can I get that?
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[20:02] <Chetic> yes I run it as root
[20:02] <dheeraj> i hav rPi type B with me i want to hav a os.. I had downloaded NOOB and extraccted too, but confused here do hav to copy whole os folder to card..??
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[20:04] <pksato> dheeraj: yes. copy all files to sd card, not to folder on sd card.
[20:06] <dheeraj> Ohkk..
[20:08] <pksato> just stract as it to sd.
[20:08] <pksato> extract
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[20:13] <dheeraj> Done
[20:13] <dheeraj> Now do i remove SD Card
[20:13] <dheeraj> ??
[20:14] <J_Rey> don't just yank it out but do the safe remove option in your current O/S first
[20:14] <J_Rey> might even say eject or something
[20:15] <J_Rey> in the corner by the time usually
[20:15] <dheeraj> Ohkk
[20:15] <J_Rey> then you can try it out
[20:15] <dheeraj> Thank u guys..
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[20:25] <steve_rox> iam still no closer to obtaining the python code i need
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[20:30] <gazzwi86> how can I connect directly to the RPi from my mac via an ethernet with no router?
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[20:33] <steg132> gazzwi86: ssh?
[20:33] <gazzwi86> steg132: thats what I'm trying right now
[20:33] <gazzwi86> its really slow, but i have been prompted for a password now
[20:34] <steg132> make sure that you are sshing as a user on the device, and enter your password
[20:35] <gazzwi86> steg132: I'm trying pi and root
[20:35] <gazzwi86> both of which are on the box and the password i set up earlier
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[20:37] <steg132> when you enter your password to ssh in, what message do you receive?
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[20:37] <gazzwi86> Its ok, I'm presuming for some reason sshd hasn't started
[20:37] <gazzwi86> I'm going to try and get the pi hooked up on a monitor and try from there.
[20:37] <gazzwi86> thanks though
[20:38] <steg132> good luck :)
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[20:41] <seejy> ut
[20:41] <seejy> oops
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[20:53] <steve_rox> think im going to give up reading this sensor for the night , im getting tired
[20:54] <Sonny_Jim> Fresh eyes in the morning
[20:54] <Sonny_Jim> Although I did manage to squash a gamestopping bug lying in my bed at 3AM this morning
[20:55] <steve_rox> eyes are errelivent tho , im going mad trying to find some code that querys a gpio sensor
[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> What make/model is it?
[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> I think there's code in WiringPi that does that
[20:55] <steve_rox> just going thu a fustrateing moment
[20:55] <steve_rox> erm
[20:56] <Sonny_Jim> MaxDetect?
[20:56] <steve_rox> its a mq-3 gas sensor
[20:56] <Sonny_Jim> ah
[20:56] <steve_rox> with digital out pin on it
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[20:56] <steve_rox> 4 pins in total
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[20:56] <steve_rox> power , digital out and annolog out
[20:57] <IT_Sean> that's 3 pins. 4th one is gnd?
[20:57] <steve_rox> hopeing to find some python example but seems impossible
[20:57] <steve_rox> power =2
[20:57] <steve_rox> :-P
[20:57] <IT_Sean> I see
[20:58] <steve_rox> i havent attempted to wire it in yet im going to wait untill i find some sort of code
[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> You can get 1 wire protocols
[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> seems odd, but there you go
[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> You'd think you'd always need at least two
[20:59] <steve_rox> i havent done sensors on rpi yet so im kinda going in blind
[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> Oh ok
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[20:59] <ShorTie> is this like what your talking about http://wiring.org.co/learning/basics/airqualitymq135.html ??
[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> Then you should definitely have a look at wiringPi
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[21:00] <steve_rox> that sensor looks a lot like it
[21:01] <ShorTie> that 1 is just analog though
[21:01] <ShorTie> need a adc then i believe
[21:01] <steve_rox> this board outputs digital and anlog apparently
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[21:01] <steve_rox> theres a small chip on the board i assume its a adc
[21:02] <Sonny_Jim> Part number?
[21:02] <ShorTie> oh, ok
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[21:03] <steve_rox> its a sainsmart board with a mq-3 on it
[21:03] <steve_rox> i see no part number
[21:03] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[21:03] <Sonny_Jim> Has it been scratched off?
[21:03] <Sonny_Jim> Or covered in epoxy
[21:03] <steve_rox> no idea
[21:03] <Sonny_Jim> Very unusual for a chip to have no identifying marks during manufacture
[21:03] <steve_rox> G A0 D0 V is the pins
[21:04] <steve_rox> i can probly read the chip if i can get my eyes sharp enough
[21:04] <Sonny_Jim> You should do that and google it
[21:04] <Sonny_Jim> Then the datasheet will make things a whole lot easier
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[21:07] <steve_rox> hmmm
[21:09] <steve_rox> apparently its a LM393
[21:10] <ShorTie> ya, i'm blind any more without my eye loop .. :/~
[21:10] <steve_rox> YRD16 allso on it
[21:11] <Sonny_Jim> Right
[21:11] <Sonny_Jim> Voltage reg isn't it?
[21:11] <Sonny_Jim> too lazy to google it
[21:11] <steve_rox> seems it
[21:12] <Sonny_Jim> Normally quite a big chip to shed the heat
[21:12] <Sonny_Jim> Any other chips on there?
[21:12] <steve_rox> no
[21:12] <Sonny_Jim> Interesting
[21:12] <Sonny_Jim> Do you have a multimeter?
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> What I would do is get a piece of paper and use the continuity test of the multimeter to figure out the circuit layout
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> The look at the datasheet and see what pins are connected where
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> or rather, what's wired up to the pins of the LM393
[21:14] <Sonny_Jim> btw the last digits will be a manufacturers code for what week/year it was made
[21:14] <Sonny_Jim> So then can track bad batches of chips
[21:14] <steve_rox> www.amazon.co.uk/SainSmart-10-1000ppm-Alcohol-Detector-Arduino/dp/B00E5X2VZA/ref=sr_1_fkmr3_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380634987&sr=8-2-fkmr3&keywords=Alcohol+Detector+Sensor+digital+signal
[21:14] <steve_rox> this was the page i think
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[21:15] <lwizardl> hello
[21:17] <Sonny_Jim> Hi
[21:18] <Sonny_Jim> steve_rox: You should be able to find a example implentation from the manufacturer of the nq-3 sesnor
[21:18] <Sonny_Jim> It's rare that they'll sell a sensor and not tell people how to read it ;-)
[21:18] <steve_rox> heh
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> Sonny_Jim: unless there are no consumer appa
[21:18] <Sonny_Jim> You might have to pretend you are from a company interested in using it in a product and could you have an example implmentation
[21:18] <steve_rox> its hard finding anyone else thats done it within the community
[21:19] <Sonny_Jim> There's plenty of people using sensors on the GPIO
[21:19] <steve_rox> the gas sensor
[21:19] <Sonny_Jim> Have you read the wikipedia page about how a gas sensor operates?
[21:19] <lwizardl> Just ordered my rpi last night from element14. can't wait for it to get here
[21:19] <Sonny_Jim> That would be a good start
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[21:24] <steve_rox> think i may give up for now , im tired
[21:25] <Sonny_Jim> fair enough
[21:25] <Sonny_Jim> If you take pics and I have time tomorrow I'll have a look
[21:25] <steve_rox> ill be driven mad by it tommrow :-P
[21:25] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[21:25] <steve_rox> i gave you a link above to it
[21:26] <Sonny_Jim> I don't have a webbrowser on this
[21:26] <Sonny_Jim> Pi = screen + IRC + vim + gcc
[21:26] <Sonny_Jim> That's all I need, baby
[21:26] <steve_rox> hahah
[21:26] <steve_rox> :-P
[21:26] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I do
[21:26] <Sonny_Jim> I have lynx
[21:26] <steve_rox> so how would you see images ?
[21:26] <Sonny_Jim> I don't
[21:26] <steve_rox> i cant convert them to text letters
[21:26] <Sonny_Jim> I go out of the shed, up the stairs into my house
[21:27] <Sonny_Jim> And then print off the datasheets on the laptop
[21:27] <Sonny_Jim> Then back to the shed via the kettle
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[21:27] <Sonny_Jim> Hey, if I can cludge together a Pi controlled SNES, reading sensors should be easy
[21:27] <steve_rox> errr okays :-P
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, I *could* bring the laptop down here, but that would be weird
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> I'd spend all day on Facebook
[21:28] <steve_rox> sounds terrible
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> This way I'm forced by the ASCII gods to do stuff
[21:28] <steve_rox> playing farmtown
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> Nah
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> OpenTTD
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> Man that sucks up so much of my time if I let it
[21:29] <Sonny_Jim> That and Kerbal Space Program were major timesinks getting in the way of my projects
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[21:29] <steve_rox> hehe ive played some of that
[21:31] <steve_rox> it drove me nuts too :-)
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> I managed to get to Mun and back
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> The other moon was way easier though, wish I known that before
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> Got to Duna with a probe and landed
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> Got some fuel depots spotted around
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> But haven't risked a Kerbal on going to Duna yet
[21:32] <steve_rox> how many you killed so far?
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> None
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> I play it for keeps
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> Otherwise, what's the point
[21:32] <steve_rox> well done :-P
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> If I can't get a probe there and back, I don't bother sending a Kerbal
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> The Kethane mod certainly makes it easier though
[21:33] <steve_rox> yeah someone said i should give that a go
[21:33] <steve_rox> like auto pilot
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> It's something to do
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> Nah, no autopilot
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> Where's the fun in that?
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, yeah it makes sense to do the take offs and landings manually in a plane sim and use autopilot for getting to place to place
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> But the whole thing with an autopilot?
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> Bill Kerbal would die of boredom
[21:34] <steve_rox> thats possible
[21:35] <Sonny_Jim> I'm worried though that development is going to stall badly on it
[21:35] <steve_rox> "your going to crash into the sun" - exsiteing enough for ya ? :-P
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[21:39] <Robint91> what is the latest stable kernel version?
[21:41] <sney> I ran rpi-update last week and I'm on 3.6.11+. "stable" is relative but this is what's out
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[21:41] <sney> I haven't had any issues that were likely to be kernel-related, anyway
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[22:17] <digitalWrite> I want to become an embedded programmer I have beeen using the arduino but I want to get into the pi with the arm
[22:17] <digitalWrite> any ideas
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[22:18] <ZiNC> So get one, and play with it.
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[22:29] <steve_rox> does seem to be a good solution
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[22:31] <Sonny_Jim> Yup
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[22:32] * gordonDrogon waves.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> been baking & sampling new bread...
[22:33] <Gadget-Mac> Stop, you're making me hungry
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[22:33] <ShorTie> i hear that, lol.
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> first trial run of my sourdough wholemal loaf...
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> and it's well enough to go on sale...
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> well, not that one, there's only 2/3 of it left, but the next ones...
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[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> Cool beans
[22:34] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Do you ship ?
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, you're not that far away to drive over and buy some ;-)
[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> Nah I'm good
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, sorry - no. I did look into it, but the cost of packaging is prohibitive.
[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> Birthday tomorrow, so going to hit the hay soon
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> ah, have a good one!
[22:34] <Gadget-Mac> Oh well. Did that driver work ?
[22:35] <Sonny_Jim> Will do
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> your one? I don't have hardware to test it, but you have improved bit twidding.
[22:35] <Sonny_Jim> Nice birthday present to myself getting this working, though
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> that was the only difference I remember going through with you.
[22:35] <Gadget-Mac> Indeed. Seems to work here :)
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[22:42] <Phosie> Happy early birthday Sonny_Jim
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[22:48] <lwizardl> the codec store says emailed within 72 hours. how long on average does it take ?
[22:48] <lwizardl> reason why is Im waiting for my pi to show up and haven't ordered the codecs yet due to not having my serial number
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> I've never bought a codec from them...
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[23:07] <k1ng440> i am trying to get ZTE CDMA modem
[23:07] <k1ng440> but cant get it to work
[23:08] <k1ng440> USB
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[23:21] <Shaan> hey guys i'd like to use my raspberrypi as a fax server does anyone know of any known working solution for SENDING faxes?
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[23:25] <lwizardl> Shaan, well I would say using raspbian being based on debian this might be a starting point http://www.aboutdebian.com/fax.htm
[23:26] <ShorTie> i was lookin at this 1, lol. http://askubuntu.com/questions/87120/how-can-i-configure-a-fax-server
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[23:26] <sney> the hard part I think would be getting a good hardware modem and interfacing it with the pi
[23:27] <k1ng440> known working solution for SENDING faxes?
[23:27] <k1ng440> sorry
[23:27] <k1ng440> [ 953.715078] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial
[23:27] <k1ng440> [ 953.715194] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial_generic
[23:27] <k1ng440> [ 953.715316] usbserial: USB Serial Driver core
[23:27] <k1ng440> why its doesnt mount to /dev/?
[23:27] <lwizardl> yupp I would maybe try one of the old RS232 based serial modems connected to a serial to usb adapter if it was me
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[23:29] <Shaan> well
[23:29] <Shaan> i dont mind a software solution based on asterisk
[23:29] <Shaan> i could always virtualise a pc on my laptop with very little resources
[23:30] <Shaan> but would be nice to use raspberryPI
[23:30] <Shaan> to send faxes
[23:30] <Shaan> which is a very menial task if you ask me
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[23:30] <ShorTie> if you got the right modem
[23:30] <Shaan> you dont need modem you can use VoIP
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