#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-10-10

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[0:23] <Everspace> Does the pi make a good personal media server/repository host?
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[0:26] <Everspace> I was thinking of making mine an SVN repository
[0:27] <sney> the i/o is pretty limited but it's fine for 1 client
[0:28] <Everspace> Back-up-slave is perfectly reasonable?
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[0:45] <k1ng440> can anyone help install a USB modem please?
[0:46] <unpopsicle> k1ng440: the channel isn't very active at this time, you might have more luck on the official forums where timing isn't so important
[0:47] <k1ng440> the forum is active 24/7?
[0:47] <pksato> k1ng440: plug and configure a dial-up connection.
[0:47] <k1ng440> pksato, cant find the modem on /dev/
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[0:47] <pksato> yes. but. all are zombies.
[0:48] <unpopsicle> k1ng440: in irc, if someone doesnt see it when you write it can get easily hidden in the scrollback, it isnt the case for a forum
[0:48] <pksato> that kind of modem? a v90 land line modem?
[0:48] <k1ng440> yeah i understand unpopsicle
[0:48] <k1ng440> http://pastie.org/8390874
[0:48] <k1ng440> ZTE CDMA modem
[0:49] <k1ng440> ZTE WCDMA
[0:49] <pksato> ah...
[0:50] <pksato> install usb-modeswitch
[0:50] <pksato> or, just, eject /dev/sda
[0:50] <pksato> or name of disc
[0:51] <pksato> or /dev/sr0
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[1:08] <k1ng440> pksato, i have installed usb-modeswitch, what i have to do now?
[1:10] <pksato> I dont know, exact.
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[1:11] <pksato> now you have a tty device?
[1:11] <pksato> or /dev/modem
[1:12] <pksato> I never used that kind of modem.
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[1:13] <k1ng440> dont i have to configure the usb-modeswitch or something?
[1:13] <pksato> no
[1:13] <pksato> unplug you modem.
[1:13] <k1ng440> ok hold on
[1:13] <pksato> run sudo dmesg -c
[1:13] <pksato> plug again.
[1:13] <pksato> run sudo dmesg
[1:14] <pksato> and, have lines about modem (serial device) or storage device?
[1:15] <k1ng440> http://pastie.org/8390952
[1:16] <k1ng440> i see 4 usb now
[1:16] <k1ng440> lol
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[1:17] <pksato> plugged 4 times?
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[1:17] <k1ng440> no just once
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[1:18] <pksato> now, need to configure a dial-up conection. but, I dont recall how do.
[1:19] <k1ng440> http://pastie.org/8390966
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[1:25] <k1ng440> PKodon, you rock
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[1:25] <SpeedEvil> pksato: pppd
[1:25] <JesperHead> Good day to you all
[1:28] <pksato> pppd I know, but, how connect, need to search my notes.
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[2:12] <PKodon> k1ng440: I do?
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[2:13] <k1ng440> sorry?
[2:13] <k1ng440> oh yeah you do
[2:13] <k1ng440> pksato, rocks too
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[3:03] <ZiNC> gordonDrogon: Thanks.
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[10:56] <tig|> 'nings all
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[10:58] <shiftplusone> ey
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[11:01] <Ben64> would this work on pi? http://dx.com/p/ulbox-atk-neo-6m-v12-gps-module-w-5hz-antenna-blue-yellow-226460
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[11:03] <shiftplusone> yes
[11:04] <shiftplusone> might draw a little to much current than you should from the 3.3v rail though
[11:06] <Ben64> i want to make this http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080915235403/bttf/images/4/4f/Digital-speedometer.jpg
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[11:06] <shiftplusone> a time machine?
[11:06] <Ben64> well eventually
[11:06] <Ben64> but for now the speedometer
[11:07] <shiftplusone> ah
[11:07] <Ben64> would there be enough io left to make a couple 7 segment displays work
[11:07] <shiftplusone> yup
[11:07] <Ben64> sweet
[11:08] <Ben64> haven't touched the gpio on my pi yet
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[11:08] <shiftplusone> But again, keep current consumption in mind. Sounds like you'll need to provide your own 3.3v rail and use transistors for the LEDs
[11:09] <Ben64> yeah i could bring in extra 3.3, but transistors?
[11:09] <shiftplusone> to drive them
[11:09] <Ben64> back in my day there was one wire per segment
[11:10] <shiftplusone> aye, given that there are 17 gpio ports easily accessible, that's enough. But how much current does a 7 segment display need when all segments are on?
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[11:11] <Ben64> haven't chosen one yet
[11:11] <Ben64> too much to draw from gpio again?
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[11:13] <shiftplusone> I don't know how much they usually draw, so I can't say. I am sure it's more than 4ma per segment though, so given that the pi is designed to provide about 50mA extra from the 3.3v rail.... you won't have enough.
[11:14] <Ben64> oh only 50ma
[11:14] <mgottschlag> "I am sure it's more than 4ma per segment though" - not necessarily, some LEDs are bright enough with 4mA and less
[11:14] <mgottschlag> but I certainly wouldn't count on that
[11:15] <mgottschlag> unless the datasheet says so
[11:15] <shiftplusone> is 'bright enough' good for a 7 segment display that you would want to be able to view under the sun though?
[11:15] <mgottschlag> hm, yeah, maybe not
[11:15] <Ben64> yeah if its only a couple extra components to get it working properly, thats not a big deal
[11:18] <shiftplusone> Given that you'll already provide your own power for the gps module and the flux capacitor, it's not too much of a problem.
[11:18] <Ben64> yeah, already need at least 1.21 jiggawatts
[11:19] <shiftplusone> =)
[11:19] <mshaw> hey all, is it possible to (effectively) run a wireless dongle from the rpi's onboard usb, or do i need to buy a powered usb switch?
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[11:20] <shiftplusone> in general, yes, but there are some that work without a powered hub
[11:20] <Ben64> my pi has a usb bluetooth in right now, it doesn't like anything else with it
[11:21] <mshaw> shiftplusone: i have the ralink 5370 available at detroit diy electronics, formerly raspberry-pi-buy.com
[11:22] <Vostok> raspberry buy
[11:22] <mshaw> i can't seem to get it to broadcast an ssid as an access point and i'm wondering if it's a driver issue, a power issue, or a problem with the administrator (me)
[11:23] <shiftplusone> mshaw, does ifconfig show the interface?
[11:23] <mshaw> yes
[11:23] <shiftplusone> unlikely to be a driver issue then
[11:23] <mshaw> it supposed supports ap mode too
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[11:24] <mshaw> i never tried to connect it as a client to my other wireless though, so i'm going to see if it can even do that
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[13:43] <dheeraj_> Hiii
[13:44] <shiftplusone> hi...ii
[13:44] <dheeraj_> Can i power Raspberry Type B
[13:45] <dheeraj_> with Micro usb cable
[13:45] <dheeraj_> As if i hav it..
[13:45] <shiftplusone> depends on what the other end of the cable is connected to O_o
[13:45] <dheeraj_> Ohkk
[13:46] <dheeraj_> Well, I hav samsung Mobile and it have charger same of which slot of Rpi
[13:46] <shiftplusone> yeah, that should work
[13:47] <dheeraj_> Can i Use it.. , I know its wierd, But could i..??
[13:47] <patagonicus> I'm using about three samsung chargers to power Pis. Works fine (all from Note II or accessories)
[13:47] <shiftplusone> It's not weird, it's exactly what you're supposed to do.
[13:48] <dheeraj_> I am afraid it will damage Rpi .. :/
[13:48] <shiftplusone> How do you imagine the pi is supposed to be powered? O_o
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[13:51] <ozzzy> I extract the zero point energy from random photons striking the surface of a flux diode
[13:52] <shiftplusone> heh
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[14:47] <mac_nibblet> Anyone know the progress of the v4l2 driver for the pi camera ?
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[15:01] <Davespice> Anyone here know if there is a python api for wayland windowing system? A bit like gtk+ for X?
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[15:05] <shiftplusone> Are you after python bindings for gtk+ or are you asking if there's a wayland backend for gtk+?
[15:06] <shiftplusone> Davespice,
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[15:07] <Davespice> either a wayland backend for gtk+ or some other api which has a wayland back end
[15:07] <shiftplusone> yeah, gtk+ supports wayland already
[15:07] <shiftplusone> https://wiki.gnome.org/Wayland/GTK+
[15:07] <Davespice> ah okay
[15:07] <Davespice> on the Pi too?
[15:08] <shiftplusone> not sure. I haven't played around with wayland myself yet.
[15:08] <Davespice> oh okay cool
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[15:08] <Davespice> thats good though, I'll have a look into it myself
[15:08] <Davespice> cheers :)
[15:09] <shiftplusone> report back
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[15:11] <shiftplusone> hm, probably a better link http://wayland.freedesktop.org/gtk.html
[15:11] <shiftplusone> "The GTK+ backend is under active continuous development - currently you should only attempt to use it if you are experienced with GTK+."
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[15:16] <Matt> i.e. it'll probably break, don't blame us when it does - go fix it instead
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[15:21] <Davespice> heh
[15:21] <Davespice> its just I tutor a young lad a private school in Hammersmith every Friday
[15:21] <Davespice> and I am going to teach him gtk soon, but thought it might be worth looking into doing stuff with layland
[15:22] <shiftplusone> same one as you mentioned a while back?
[15:22] <Davespice> yeah
[15:22] <shiftplusone> ah, awesome that you're sticking with it
[15:22] <Davespice> its my second term with him now
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[15:22] <Davespice> I originally made this for him; http://blogs.arcsoftwareconsultancy.com/pi/2013/10/03/halloween/
[15:23] <Davespice> but thought it was too good to not put on the blog
[15:24] <shiftplusone> Well, that's a little evil
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[15:25] <Davespice> yeah I know, he loves practical jokes
[15:25] <Davespice> it properly works too by the way :)
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[15:29] <shiftplusone> and he understands how it all works now as well?
[15:29] <Davespice> yep
[15:30] <shiftplusone> =)
[15:30] <Davespice> although I gave him simpler python to start with
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[15:30] <Davespice> and then made him to the detector class and the whole design pattern thing afterwards as an exercise in writing tidy code
[15:31] <shiftplusone> Not planning on switching over to C though are you? =(
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[15:31] <Davespice> I will actually, I ahve already shown him some C
[15:32] <Davespice> so he is aware there are other languages besides python, and he knows about interpreted vs compiled
[15:32] <shiftplusone> ah, awesome.
[15:32] <leonixyz_> Hello, I've like to connect a 5V fan to GPIO's pins, but I've also like to be able to control -when- the fan should cool my rpi. So, as far as I know, programmable pins are only of 3.3V. I thought I would need a relay to control a 5V line through a 3.3V input, but I have no idea where could I get something like that. I also read on a discussion forum about Arduino that it is possible to use logic gates (and, nand, or) with an
[15:32] <Davespice> however, sometimes some stuff leaks
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[15:34] <shiftplusone> leonixyz_, no need for logic gates (or a fan). How much current does the fan draw at 5v ?
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[15:34] <mgottschlag> leonixyz_: 1. your line was truncated 2. the pins cannot drive relays either
[15:34] <shiftplusone> Davespice, leaks? O_o
[15:34] <Davespice> yeah, his memory
[15:34] <shiftplusone> ah
[15:34] <leonixyz> shiftplusone: 0.8W
[15:34] <mgottschlag> leonixyz: I'd rather use a transistor to control the fan
[15:35] <gates> so much highlighted
[15:35] <shiftplusone> +1 for transistor
[15:35] <leonixyz> mgottschlag: where do I get such a transistor?
[15:35] <shiftplusone> gates, should have thought of that before you chose your nick! >=/
[15:35] <mgottschlag> I use these for similar situations, but they are bit small for normal hand soldering: http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/IRFML8244TRPBF/IRFML8244TRPBFCT-ND/2538166
[15:35] <mgottschlag> any logic level nmos should do
[15:35] <mgottschlag> any bipolar as well
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[15:36] <mgottschlag> provided that the fan already works with like 4.3V
[15:36] <shiftplusone> leonixyz, wherever you can find electronics. If you have some local electronics store (like JayCar in Australia) that will do. If not, ebay.
[15:36] <mgottschlag> leonixyz: http://www.mikrocontroller.net/wikifiles/4/4f/Relais_npn.png
[15:36] <shiftplusone> Why the fan though? I am all for doing this as a learning exercise, but the fan part of it is just silly.
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[15:39] <shiftplusone> Steuereingang? You Germans sure do like putting too many letters in your words.
[15:39] <mgottschlag> ^^
[15:40] <mgottschlag> the google search query to that german image was "nmos relay" though :)
[15:40] <mgottschlag> sometimes it is a bit annoying that google prefers localized results - but then, mikrocontroller.net is just awesome.
[15:41] <shiftplusone> Ah, I have spent a bit of time reading poorly translated (google translate) forum threads there I think.
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[15:44] <leonixyz> mgottschlag: thank you, but my knowledges in electronics are null... The schema is for me totally unclear, and on the webpage you linked me I read that there parts works with 25V... What do I need to search (or ask, in some store) for? "nmos relay"
[15:45] <mgottschlag> eh
[15:45] <mgottschlag> you want a logic level nmos transistor
[15:45] <mgottschlag> one that switches at 3.3v
[15:45] <leonixyz> thanks
[15:45] <mgottschlag> but the people in the store are rarely competent enough to pick some part
[15:45] <mgottschlag> (the 25V there are the absolute maximum voltage, not the switching voltage)
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[15:46] <mgottschlag> oops, just noticed that I linked to german digikey
[15:46] <leonixyz> no problem I can read german
[15:46] <leonixyz> (a little bit)
[15:47] <Romeo-> oh
[15:48] <mgottschlag> hm, the german page where that image is from suggest BS170 as a transistor
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[15:48] <mgottschlag> that one seems pretty common in stores
[15:48] <mgottschlag> (even though it is not the best transistor for the task)
[15:49] <leonixyz> mgottschlag: lol I have no idea where to buy such a transistor where I live, but will search
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[15:50] <mgottschlag> I happen to be lucky to live in a town with a pretty good electronics store, so I don't have to order *everything* on the internet :)
[15:50] <leonixyz> going into a store and asking for a single transistor is ridiculous... but i'll try
[15:50] <shiftplusone> It's a little sad that a local electronics store is rare nowadays =(
[15:52] <mgottschlag> leonixyz: well, you'll need at least a resistor and a diode as well
[15:53] <mgottschlag> according to the schematics linked above
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[15:56] <mgottschlag> also, there should be online stores with lower shipping fees than mouser or digikey in most parts of the world, where it is more affordable to pay shipping for just 3-4 parts
[15:56] <leonixyz> mgottschlag: hmmm, why? isn't enough a transistor?
[15:57] <mgottschlag> http://www.mikrocontroller.net/wikifiles/4/4f/Relais_npn.png <- the one on the right side is how you connect parts
[15:57] <mgottschlag> the "Steuereingang" part is connected to the pi
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[15:57] <mgottschlag> the block on the top right is your fan (in this situation it is a relay)
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[15:57] <mgottschlag> and the resistor is there to prevent damage to the transistor if the pi isn't controlling it
[15:57] <shiftplusone> It's hard to explain why without you having a little background knowledge. In short, to limit the current and to deal with back EMF, but that probably doesn't mean much.
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[15:59] <mgottschlag> shiftplusone: hm, actually, that's a second resistor :)
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[15:59] <mgottschlag> http://i.stack.imgur.com/Ce6Ud.png
[15:59] <shiftplusone> what is? O_o
[15:59] <mgottschlag> I meant the one between gate and ground
[16:00] <mgottschlag> which isn't really related to current limiting
[16:00] <leonixyz> so, in the image Q1 is the transistor, R1 the resistor and K1 mi fan?
[16:00] <mgottschlag> yes
[16:00] <shiftplusone> I have never used that.
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[16:00] <leonixyz> and what is D1?
[16:00] <shiftplusone> diode
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[16:01] <mgottschlag> leonixyz: relays (and up to a certain extent also dc motors as in your fan) will create huge voltages when switched off - the diode there prevents damage to the transistor due to that voltage
[16:01] <mgottschlag> so if in doubt, grab a diode as well and install it like that
[16:01] <mgottschlag> it lets current flow around the fan in reverse
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[16:02] <leonixyz> mgottschlag shiftplusone: ok now is clear, and how do I know the specifications for this diode, and resistor?
[16:02] <mgottschlag> shiftplusone: I just destroyed a set of 4 power mosfets due to static electricity, that's bound to happen when you can touch the gate in the final device
[16:02] <mgottschlag> for the diode and the resistor, just use the parts from the image
[16:02] <shiftplusone> when a coil (like in a motor/fan) has electricity flowing through it, it creates an magnetic field. When the current is removed, the magnetic field collapses, which induces a backward current, and sometimes a very high voltage. The diode provides a path for that current to flow without damaging anything.
[16:02] <mgottschlag> 100k resistor and 1n4148 diode
[16:03] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, hm, something to look into. Thanks.
[16:03] <leonixyz> thanks thanks
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[16:04] <shiftplusone> In this case, any of the common diodes will do, I think.
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[16:04] <leonixyz> mgottschlag: the transistor was the BS170 ?
[16:04] <mgottschlag> BS170 *should* work
[16:04] <leonixyz> ok
[16:04] <mgottschlag> according to where I just read it, up to 500mA, that should be enough
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[16:05] <shiftplusone> as far as the resistor value goes, you will want to make sure the current is high enough to activate the transistor, but low enough not to draw too much from the pi.
[16:05] <mgottschlag> shiftplusone: wait, are you talking about mosfets or bipolar transistors?
[16:05] <mgottschlag> that would explain why you don't use that resistor :)
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[16:05] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, doh >_<
[16:06] <shiftplusone> I have a box of BJTs, so I usually use those, my mistake.
[16:07] <leonixyz> shiftplusone mgottschlag: there are many 100k resistors, what does it mean 0.25 or 0.5 or 1 watt? Do I need one that is strong enough to "hold" my fan (that is 0.8W) ?
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[16:07] <mgottschlag> leonixyz: no, not at all
[16:07] <mgottschlag> for 100kOhm and 3.3v, anything will do
[16:08] <mgottschlag> the resistor does not care about the power dissipated in the *fan*, because that power is somewhere completely else
[16:08] <leonixyz> so it tells only the power consumption -of- the resistor?
[16:08] <mgottschlag> it tells the maximum power consumption of the resistor where it will start to emit smoke
[16:08] <mgottschlag> you won't get anywhere near that
[16:08] <shiftplusone> no, it tells you the MAXIMUM power the resistor can handle.
[16:08] <shiftplusone> I am too slow today.
[16:09] <leonixyz> i can choose the less powerful, so the 0.25W ?
[16:09] <mgottschlag> yes
[16:10] <mgottschlag> leonixyz: the resistor is accross 3.3v, 3.3v / 100kOhm = 0.33mA, 0.33mA * 3.3V = 0.0011 Watt
[16:10] <mgottschlag> that's what the resistor needs to handle :)
[16:10] <mgottschlag> *the resistor is accross *at most* 3.3v
[16:11] <mgottschlag> you don't need much precision either, even 20% resistors would work :)
[16:11] <leonixyz> wtf, 10.74 Euro for these three pieces
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[16:11] <mgottschlag> is that 70ct + 10€ shipping? :D
[16:11] <leonixyz> total 2.79 Euro
[16:12] <mgottschlag> also, where are you buying?
[16:12] <shiftplusone> the joy of ordering from anywhere but China or a local store
[16:12] <leonixyz> but if I go in the shop and get them 10 Euro, if I choose to get them by post 12 Euro
[16:13] <leonixyz> https://shop.euras.com/
[16:13] <shiftplusone> sounds like the store has a nice mark-up for itself.
[16:13] <leonixyz> It's a shop nearby where I live
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[16:13] <shiftplusone> >=/
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[16:14] <shiftplusone> (sorry)
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[16:16] <shiftplusone> on a kicking spree D=
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[16:18] <KBme> hello.
[16:18] <IT_Sean> Morning.
[16:18] <shiftplusone> ahoy
[16:19] <KBme> does anyone know how usb autosuspend works on the raspberry-pi? it seems like there is a nonstandard way of dealing with it (nonstandard files in /sys instead of power/state files). my issue is that I have an usb ir receiver, and after a while it turns off and I don't know how to turn it back on.
[16:20] <KBme> I would like to disable this functionality as powersaving is not an issue for me
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[16:20] * shiftplusone has no idea
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[16:39] <tig|> KBme: I wonder if runnig something like lsusb would power it back up
[16:39] <tig|> KBme: if so then you could just bung an lsusb into cron so it runs every now and again
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[16:40] <tig|> a bit clunky but might work
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[16:50] <KBme> tig|, interesting
[16:50] <KBme> still better than having to reboot all the time :D
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[16:53] <shiftplusone> Did that actually work?
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[16:54] <tig|> I don't know if it will work but it is worth a shot
[16:54] <KBme> I don't know, I ill probably be able to test it tomorrow
[16:54] <KBme> but it is pretty wonky
[16:54] * KBme hates wonky hacks
[16:54] <JesperHead> http://ix.io/8pe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzTGSKNjrp4
[16:54] <tig|> I have never known my usb to shut down on my pi
[16:55] <KBme> well, it probably also depends on the device that is attached I would guess
[16:55] <tig|> yeah I suppose
[16:55] <KBme> although I'm not altogether sure that is the issue, honestly
[16:57] <shiftplusone> tig|, the pi is not capable of doing that (without shutting off usb entirely, including ethernet).
[16:57] <shiftplusone> I don't know how suspended devices are normally woken up though =/
[16:57] <KBme> shiftplusone, so you are saying that it isn't capable of selectively shutting down usb devices?
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[16:59] <shiftplusone> KBme, not entirely shutting down. The most it can do is ask the device to kindly stop drawing current, but that's about it.
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[16:59] <KBme> ah, ok.
[17:00] <KBme> yeah, so it's still possible that my issue is with usb suspend
[17:00] <shiftplusone> Since the usb 5v line is connected straight to the main 5v line, which cannot be switched off without switching off the pi itself. The pi can shut down the built in usb hub though, but as I said, that kills everything usb related.
[17:00] <KBme> yeah, especially in this case since all my devices are attached to an usb hub
[17:00] <KBme> ok
[17:01] <KBme> well, thanks for the info, i'll be better prepared to debug the issue tomorrow
[17:01] <shiftplusone> good luck
[17:01] <KBme> thanks ☺
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[17:02] <JesperHead> KBme: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=281354 perhaps redhawk's solution is a feasible alternative?
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[17:02] <JesperHead> im trying to get my pi_arcade working. still pretty nubbish ti linux. Bought hardware from adafruit, and they also provide a script that when running, will translate joystick movements and button presses to keyboard keys, working as a bridge for popular emulators. I edited the retrogame.c file (https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Retrogame) and tried to remake and received a great many errors found at http://ix.io/8pe any inp
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[17:03] <KBme> JesperHead, yeah, i have seen that, but it's rather confusing …
[17:03] <shiftplusone> JesperHead, what solution? I don't see a solution.
[17:03] <JesperHead> run it as a script, eth will come back up
[17:03] <shiftplusone> Oh, you mean turning USB off entierly and turning it on again... I see.
[17:04] <shiftplusone> Very hackish.
[17:04] <KBme> ah, broadcom hardware, the best at undocumenting hardware and giving out substandard drivers
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[17:04] <JesperHead> regarding my own problem, im uploading my custom retrogame.c now
[17:05] <shiftplusone> KBme, I am not sure that broadcom has anything to do with it in this case.
[17:06] <KBme> yes, I do understand that.
[17:06] <KBme> in any case, they have a pretty bad track record.
[17:06] <KBme> I've had plenty of broadcom hardware in my time
[17:06] <Sonny_Jim> MAME on a Pi makes baby jesus cry
[17:06] <Sonny_Jim> It's that bad
[17:07] <KBme> ah well, this is OT, i won't rant. thanks for the help.
[17:07] <shiftplusone> KBme, feel free to rant, most people agree with you on that one.
[17:07] <JesperHead> Sonny_Jim: lol well nes seems to be working well. what's wrong with mame?
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> ARM isn't the best platform for MAME
[17:08] <Sonny_Jim> So you have to use an old version
[17:08] <Sonny_Jim> Plus it's very slow
[17:08] <Sonny_Jim> Plus you can't hook it up to a 15KHz monitor without buying two convertors
[17:08] <Sonny_Jim> A $50 2nd PC can very easily outperform a Pi for MAME
[17:08] <JesperHead> http://ix.io/8pf for my custom retrogame.c file
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[17:08] <Sonny_Jim> Just going by my experience with it
[17:09] <JesperHead> only thing changed is the GPIO pins used and the keys they emulate
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[17:09] <shiftplusone> JesperHead, pastebin would be better, but I'll take a look.
[17:09] <Sonny_Jim> shiftplusone: If you shutdown the USB hub, how do you turn it back on again?
[17:09] <Sonny_Jim> GPIO?
[17:09] <JesperHead> Sonny_Jim: no i appreciate these opinions. i like learning and I admit im feeling a little overwhelmed at times
[17:09] <JesperHead> shiftplusone: hah, the arch guys got me on ix.io
[17:09] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, for all other emulation RetroPi is pretty good
[17:10] <Sonny_Jim> Even PS1 is pretty playable
[17:10] <JesperHead> get my tekken on
[17:10] <Sonny_Jim> But MAME on the Pi sucked, two versions of MAME play different games better than each other
[17:10] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, I would imagine that you'd need to find a way to run "echo 0x1 | sudo tee /sys/devices/platform/bcm2708_usb/buspower"
[17:10] <shiftplusone> either from a script or through serial.
[17:10] <Sonny_Jim> Ah, forgot about seriak
[17:10] <Sonny_Jim> I would imagine a button wired into the GPIO would be pretty good in battery powered situations
[17:11] <Sonny_Jim> But then again, you are nearly always going to want to use USB for something
[17:11] <shiftplusone> Yeah, chances are that if you don't need USB, there's probably a better platform than the pi for what you're doing.
[17:11] <Sonny_Jim> USB certainly has lived up to it's U in USB
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[17:11] <Sonny_Jim> That's for sure
[17:12] <shiftplusone> It's doing well on the S and B fronts too.
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[17:12] <Sonny_Jim> Look what happens when people agree on a standard, Apple, are you taking note of this?
[17:12] <Sonny_Jim> (clearly not...)
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[17:12] <JesperHead> lulz
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[17:13] <JesperHead> i dont know much about apple blunders. I do suspect the guys in charge of their NIC development huff hairspray out of a paper bag on their lunch breaks.
[17:13] <Sonny_Jim> Nah
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[17:14] <Sonny_Jim> It'll be more expensive than that
[17:14] <Sonny_Jim> Anyway
[17:14] <Sonny_Jim> It works, huzzah, hurray etc
[17:14] <shiftplusone> JesperHead, problem one: your .c file has a comment that's not a comment
[17:14] <Sonny_Jim> I'll be doing that for the next 24hrs
[17:14] <shiftplusone> you're missing a / at the very start
[17:14] <JesperHead> looking
[17:15] <shiftplusone> you need /* instead of just /
[17:15] <JesperHead> ah <3 the block comment. Stupid mistake
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[17:15] <JesperHead> yeah i actually remember noticing that and uhh... ignoring it
[17:15] <shiftplusone> What's the error after fixing that?
[17:15] <Sonny_Jim> It returns the amount of seconds since Unix epoch right?
[17:16] <JesperHead> HAH
[17:16] <JesperHead> none
[17:16] <shiftplusone> >_<
[17:16] <JesperHead> sorry, i should have known better. thank you very much though
[17:16] <shiftplusone> No problem
[17:17] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, this one? http://linux.die.net/man/2/gettimeofday
[17:17] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, it doesn't
[17:18] <shiftplusone> What doesn't? how are you using it?
[17:18] <shiftplusone> Just reading the return value?
[17:18] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I haven't written the code yet, but it doesn't return seconds
[17:18] <Sonny_Jim> I just want to time how long something takes
[17:18] <Sonny_Jim> so I was going to do: time_started = gettimeofday ()
[17:18] <shiftplusone> nope
[17:18] <shiftplusone> "gettimeofday() and settimeofday() return 0 for success, or -1 for failure (in which case errno is set appropriately)."
[17:19] <Sonny_Jim> Yup
[17:19] <shiftplusone> You need to pass it the right arguments
[17:19] <shiftplusone> and then read those back
[17:19] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, just reading the man page now
[17:19] <Sonny_Jim> Shame, that seemed the easy way of doing it
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[17:19] <shiftplusone> you make the timeval and timezone structs and then pass their pointer to the function, then it's filled out for you.
[17:20] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[17:20] <shiftplusone> but I don't think that's the way to do this.
[17:20] <Sonny_Jim> There's no function that returns system time as a long or anything?
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[17:21] <Sonny_Jim> Google is the way forward here methinks
[17:21] <shiftplusone> Actually, the examples I have found on line do use gettimeofday.
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[17:21] <shiftplusone> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2150291/how-do-i-measure-a-time-interval-in-c
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[17:22] <Sonny_Jim> Ah thanks
[17:22] <Sonny_Jim> Saved me a google
[17:22] <shiftplusone> As you can see, he makes the structs "timeval t1, t2;" then fills it out with gettimeofday(&t1, NULL); and then again with gettimeofday(&t2, NULL); and compares
[17:22] <shiftplusone> That's what we're here for... saving googles >.>
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[17:23] <shiftplusone> Looks like there is clock_gettime for high precision stuff
[17:23] <Sonny_Jim> Nah
[17:23] <Sonny_Jim> Just need roughly how many seconds
[17:23] <shiftplusone> But reading the manpage for it hurts my brain
[17:23] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, I find that a lot
[17:24] <Sonny_Jim> But then again, they normally have all the information you'd ever need about the command, bar reading the source
[17:24] <shiftplusone> It seems to be the same, but it returns the seconds and nanoseconds
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[17:25] <shiftplusone> And in your implementation, if the time changes (maybe by ntp), you get wrong results.
[17:25] <Sonny_Jim> Sure, it's not critical though
[17:26] <shiftplusone> Well, you can't be a good C/C++ programmer without being overly pedantic about everything, now can you? >=/
[17:26] <Sonny_Jim> Just a small note to show how long a recording has been running for, I don't store it or anything, I@m storing time measured by the amount of clock latchs out of the controller port
[17:26] <shiftplusone> yeah, that'll work
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[17:26] <Sonny_Jim> Also, depending on whether you use a PAL or NTSC SNES, that clock latch will be different speeds anyway
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[17:27] <Sonny_Jim> 60Hz latchs as opposed to 50Hz
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[17:27] <Sonny_Jim> I'm still amazed that a SNES game can be reproduced exactly just by mimicking the controller data exactly
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> ie the RNG method normally used is extraordinarly poor
[17:28] <shiftplusone> RNG?
[17:29] <patagonicus> Random Number Generator.
[17:29] <shiftplusone> What does that have to do with controller data? O_o
[17:30] <patagonicus> The controller data is the only thing that has to be saved so a play of a SNES game can be reproduced. Everything else is deterministic, including the pseudo RNG.
[17:30] <patagonicus> (Well, that and savegame data if it is loaded)
[17:31] <shiftplusone> ah
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[17:31] <shiftplusone> That's what I would've expected, actually
[17:31] <shiftplusone> What about card games then?
[17:31] <shiftplusone> if there were any
[17:32] <shiftplusone> or overall dicey games
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[17:35] <shiftplusone> IIRC there was monopoly not the NES... surely you wouldn't play the same game every single time, given two controllers repeating the same game over and over? O_o
[17:36] <shiftplusone> *on
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[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> patagonicus: Not quite
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> There is no source of entropy in the SNES apart from the controller inputs
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[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> Some games, like the Konami NES ones, use uninitialised memory as entropy, but they are few and far between
[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> Normally the seed for the RNG is set by the amount of clocks between power on and the first button press (start on the main titles screen for example)
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[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> Consequently, if you press the button at exactly the same time, then the game gives you exactly the same random numbers
[17:41] <shiftplusone> interesting
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[17:43] <Sonny_Jim> No hardware RNG, no RTC
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[17:45] <dheeraj_> Hii..
[17:45] <shiftplusone> Hi..i.. again.
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[17:45] <dheeraj_> shiftplusone: Sorry that time i had to leave..
[17:46] <dheeraj_> I am back
[17:46] <dheeraj_> :)
[17:46] <shiftplusone> welcome back
[17:46] <dheeraj_> Now i hav power cable, ethernet cable and sd card
[17:46] <dheeraj_> I hav to start from begning...
[17:47] <dheeraj_> I want to use my laptop's display and laptop's keyboard
[17:47] <shiftplusone> Then you'll want to use vnc and expect some lag
[17:48] <dheeraj_> What do i need for this..
[17:48] <dheeraj_> ??
[17:48] <shiftplusone> vnc
[17:49] <dheeraj_> vnc on my laptop
[17:49] <dheeraj_> ??
[17:49] <shiftplusone> vnc server on the pi and vnc client on the laptop
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[17:49] <dheeraj_> From where will i get it..??
[17:50] <shiftplusone> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-lesson-7-remote-control-with-vnc/installing-vnc
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[17:51] <dheeraj_> Ohkkk ... let me get it first,
[17:53] <shiftplusone> nap time
[17:54] <dheeraj_> but here we need to install it on pi
[17:54] <dheeraj_> and i had not yet powered pi
[17:55] <dheeraj_> I had downloaded NOOB and extracted over SD Card
[17:55] <shiftplusone> If you're going to use NOOBS, you will need a separate display and keyboard, at least for the first boot.
[17:55] <shiftplusone> anyway, I am off, good luck.
[17:55] <dheeraj_> But i dont hav saparate display
[17:56] <shiftplusone> then don't use NOOBS
[17:56] <dheeraj_> Then what to use..??
[17:56] <Sonny_Jim> shiftplusone: My PiSNESBot in action
[17:56] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMcgHFdjaQMc
[17:57] <shiftplusone> I don't have time to explain every single step, but I am sure somebody else will help you out. You write a disk image to the sd card, then use ssh to set things up as necessary.
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[17:57] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, that link is messy
[17:57] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I just noticed
[17:57] <Sonny_Jim> Trying to get a link that works
[17:58] <shiftplusone> "Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network. Please try your request again later. Why did this happen?" O_o
[17:58] <Sonny_Jim> although a google for Pisnesbot should get it
[17:58] <dheeraj_> shiftplusone: Ohkk.. :(
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[17:59] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McgHFdjaQMc
[17:59] <Sonny_Jim> Thanks
[17:59] <Sonny_Jim> Not sure why that other one gives a weird message
[18:00] <dheeraj_> How can i boot pi using laptop's display and Keyboard..??
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[18:00] <Windy> hey all, i have a pretty noobish question about IDLE
[18:00] <shiftplusone> dheeraj_, in short, you can't.
[18:01] <Windy> i've added a python module. when i run a program using it from the command line it's fine. when i use IDLE it says "ImportError: No module named midiutil.MidiFile"
[18:01] <dheeraj_> shiftplusone: Why..??
[18:01] <dheeraj_> shiftplusone: Do i need saparate display and keyboard for it..??
[18:02] <shiftplusone> dheeraj_, not if you know what you're doing.
[18:02] <shiftplusone> dheeraj_, are you using windows?
[18:02] <shiftplusone> (on your pc)
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[18:03] <shiftplusone> dheeraj_, you start by following these steps (Using the Win32DiskImager program) http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Using_Windows_7_or_Windows_XP
[18:04] <dheeraj_> shiftplusone: No i am using Ubuntu
[18:04] <shiftplusone> ah, in that case, these steps http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Using_the_Linux_command_line
[18:04] <dheeraj_> Ohkk
[18:04] <shiftplusone> download the 'raw image' of Raspbian, rather than NOOBs
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[18:05] <shiftplusone> be careful not to write the disk image to one of your hard drives.
[18:06] <dheeraj_> Ohkkk
[18:06] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, is the SNES controller easy to talk to?
[18:06] <Sonny_Jim> Really easy
[18:07] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, I have a C64 and a joystick for it, but the joystick really sucks and impossible to use to games. I bought a SNES controller clone to hack up and use with the C64 instead. Should be fairly trivial?
[18:07] <shiftplusone> The C64 just uses switches directly.
[18:08] <shiftplusone> *for games
[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> I won't go into the details, but it's just a shift register
[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> Same as the NES protocol, just more bits
[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> NES has 8bits for Up, down, left, right, A, B, Select, Start
[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> SNES has 12, but last 4 bits are always high
[18:08] <Sonny_Jim> Keeping sync is the hard bit
[18:08] <shiftplusone> ah, so a little trickier then.
[18:09] <Sonny_Jim> Not massively so
[18:09] <Sonny_Jim> I'd hack the pad directly
[18:09] <shiftplusone> so I'll need to either make an adapter with an AVR chip or modify the hardware entirely.
[18:09] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah
[18:09] <Sonny_Jim> I'd do the latter method
[18:09] <Sonny_Jim> Much easier
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[18:09] <shiftplusone> well, not entirely, but tap the necessary lines.
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[18:10] <shiftplusone> alright, thanks
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[18:10] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[18:10] <Sonny_Jim> Thinking about it
[18:10] <Sonny_Jim> If you fancy a little microcontroller challenge, the first method would be 'cleaner'
[18:10] <Sonny_Jim> Depends if the microcontroller has enough lines
[18:11] <Sonny_Jim> You'd need to have clock out, latch out, data in lines to read the SNES controller
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[18:11] <Sonny_Jim> Then 4 + 2 buttons (?) for the output to the C64
[18:11] <shiftplusone> as far as I know, yes. I haven't looked into it too much yet.
[18:11] <shiftplusone> I don't plan to do this any time soon, so no need to get into details.
[18:12] <shiftplusone> But now I know who I will be hunting down if I get around to it.
[18:12] <Sonny_Jim> gordonDrogon is pretty knowledgeable about the NES protocol
[18:13] <Sonny_Jim> As I said, it's basically the same
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[18:13] <shiftplusone> Don't try to shift the burden, I bug him enough as it is.
[18:14] <dheeraj_> shiftplusone: It will take a lot of time to download the image
[18:14] <Sonny_Jim> You won't be able to clock the SNES pad directly from the Pi, that's for sure
[18:14] <Sonny_Jim> Unless you go bare metal
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[18:50] <Cordyy> can someone tell me how to create small backup image from 8gb sd card?
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[18:53] <Romeo-> scp
[18:53] <Romeo-> ftp
[18:53] <Romeo-> external usb-hdd drive
[18:53] <Romeo-> etc
[18:53] <Cordyy> ?
[18:54] <Romeo-> u can use dd
[18:54] <Romeo-> rsync
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[18:54] <Cordyy> dd will create 8gb .img file?
[18:54] <Romeo-> i don't know what do u dream about "backup"
[18:54] <Romeo-> whole sd card?
[18:54] <Romeo-> or just the configs
[18:55] <Romeo-> or files
[18:55] <Romeo-> :)
[18:55] <Romeo-> read your question again, and try to tell us exacly what do u need:)
[18:56] <Romeo-> dd if=/dev/sdx of=/path/images.img bs=1M
[18:56] <Romeo-> 1. one
[18:56] <Romeo-> :
[18:56] <Romeo-> :)
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[18:57] <Romeo-> ask google too, they will no bite u :)
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[19:31] <bahamas10> hey, anybody successfully using hdmi-cec on raspbian to detect media button presses from their TV remote?
[19:31] <bahamas10> i'm basically looking for a command line tool (or a raw /dev/ device) to listen for HDMI events (like button presses, etc) to react to (run scripts)
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[19:35] <patagonicus> bahamas10: XBMC wiki says libcec supports the Pi.
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[19:39] <bahamas10> patagonicus: yeah it works pretty well actually, i have XBMC being controlled by my remote now it's awesome
[19:39] <bahamas10> i'm looking for a way to tie into the events directly, so i can fire off custom scripts when events come in (outside of XBMC)
[19:39] <bahamas10> i'm thinking i'll have to write a little daemon or something using libcec, unless one already exists
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[20:41] <[sr]> hi
[20:41] <[sr]> im trying to make a 3g usb pen work, but i need to make it switch to modem mode, anyone can give a hint?
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[20:46] <davor> it just occurred to me now that I can simply hook my PC's power button lines to the Pi in order to be able to turn my PC on, minutes for instance, before I arrive home
[20:46] <davor> *turn my PC on minutes, for instance, before I arrive home
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[20:54] <Jusii> [sr]: google at commands for that, then use minicom
[20:55] <Jusii> AT
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[20:56] <Windy> davor: i'd look into whether your pc supports Wake on Lan first. it'd be much easier than rewiring the power button
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[20:56] <davor> it doesn't wiiguy
[20:57] <wiiguy> ?
[20:57] <davor> whoops, sorry wiiguy . It doesn't, Windy
[20:57] <wiiguy> LOL
[20:57] <Windy> heh
[20:57] <davor> I should check my tabbings heh
[20:57] <Windy> i'm in a channel with Windpower, happens al lthe time :S
[20:57] <davor> hahaha
[20:57] <[sr]> Jusii: used aomething named "sakis3g" and it did the switch to modem
[20:57] <wiiguy> i was talking in a other channel, suddenly a ping ... so i got a bit worried i was going crazy ...
[20:58] <davor> hahaha
[20:58] <[sr]> bug i preffer wvdial, it's working now :)
[20:59] <Windy> davor: any chance your BIOS supports power on by real time clock?
[20:59] <davor> yeah, I think it does
[20:59] <Windy> http://www.maketecheasier.com/make-windows-7-system-startup-and-shutdown-on-a-schedule/
[20:59] <davor> if you mean setting the time to power the PC on
[20:59] <davor> automatically
[20:59] <Windy> but you're hoping for something you can trigger remotely?
[20:59] <davor> yep
[20:59] <Windy> ahh
[20:59] <davor> I was hoping to just use a transistor or something
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[20:59] <davor> as a switch that would be controlled by a gpio pin
[21:00] <davor> sadly, I know next to nothing about transistors, which one to get etc haha
[21:00] <davor> I don't know what the voltage on the switch is
[21:00] <davor> gotta check that first
[21:00] <Jusii> how about wake on lan
[21:00] <JesperHead> awright folks, hold on to your butts and wish me luck.
[21:01] <Windy> Jusii: i already suggested that.
[21:01] <Windy> you might use an optocoupler
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[21:23] <davor> Jusii, I can't WOL
[21:23] <davor> Windy, that sounds like a good idea
[21:24] <davor> why not just use a transistor though?
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[21:25] <Windy> i'm no electronics expert :D
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[21:25] <davor> hehe
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[21:38] <Jusii> to turn on atx power, you have to ground power on pin
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[22:02] <davor> Jusii, yeah, but I can't ground 5v on a GPIO pin
[22:02] <davor> I can't pull a GPIO pin up to 5v either
[22:02] <davor> I need some active component
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[22:04] <ShorTie> atx power supply requires a load to turn on
[22:05] <ShorTie> check out power supply checkers, they all have a couple big resistors in them
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[22:24] <mgottschlag> davor: the power button might be connected differently btw
[22:24] <mgottschlag> so the optocoupler sounds like a good idea to me
[22:26] <mgottschlag> (I mean, you usually don't know whether the button pulls something up or down)
[22:26] <davor> ShorTie, the button connected to the mobo is just a switch here though
[22:26] <davor> that's what I'd be connecting to the Pi
[22:26] <davor> mgottschlag, I believe it pulls it down
[22:27] <mgottschlag> what is that belief based on? :)
[22:27] <davor> I have checked the wires, +5v on one compared to the other
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[22:27] <davor> and the button is an open switch until pressed
[22:27] <mgottschlag> and you are sure that it won't pull the ground one up instead?
[22:28] <mgottschlag> (I mean, did you measure with a closed switch)
[22:28] <davor> ya, pressing the 5v wire against the inside of the case turns my PC on
[22:28] <davor> without doing anything with the 0v wire
[22:28] <davor> so the 5v wire just needs pulling down
[22:28] <mgottschlag> okay, yeah, then a simple transistor will do the trick
[22:29] <mgottschlag> (assuming that the ground of the pi is the same as the ground of the computer, which isn't necessarily true though depending on the power supply)
[22:29] <davor> is there such an NPN transistor that will take 5v on the collector, 0v on the emitter and 3v3 (closed switch)/0v (open switch) on the base?
[22:29] <pksato> davor: that you trying? (not on my channel buffer)
[22:29] <davor> yeah I have to check the voltage between their grounds
[22:30] <mgottschlag> davor: every npn would work
[22:30] <pksato> power on a ATX PSU?
[22:30] <mgottschlag> with the right resistor
[22:30] <davor> pksato, turn the PC on with the Pi
[22:30] <davor> mgottschlag, how :p
[22:30] <davor> I have no idea how transistors work in real life
[22:30] <davor> just theoretically
[22:30] <Squarepy> quantum mechanics
[22:31] <davor> by making the Pi ground the +5v wire of the PC pksato
[22:31] <pksato> humm... pw btm on mb is high activated.
[22:31] <davor> Squarepy, technically true I suppose
[22:31] <mgottschlag> http://jeelabs.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/low-side.png
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[22:31] <pksato> NPN as voltage flow mybe work.
[22:32] <davor> what's the value of the resistor in the mosfet circuit mgottschlag ?
[22:32] <davor> and how do I know what resistor to use?
[22:32] <pksato> davor: Ohms law.
[22:33] <Squarepy> davor, actually qm was the basis on which they were developed as I remember, not some underlying thing
[22:33] <davor> and am I safe in assuming the Pi's pin will in no circumstances be pulled up to 5v, thereby frying it?
[22:33] <davor> pksato, yeah but how does it apply here?
[22:34] <davor> yeah Squarepy, I remember learning about it in a class
[22:34] <mgottschlag> davor: yes, in both cases the input is safe
[22:34] <davor> excellent!
[22:34] <mgottschlag> and I'd select 1MOhm or 100kOhm as the mosfet resistor
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[22:34] <mgottschlag> hm, probably 100kOhm is better
[22:35] <pksato> for NPN, for base, Vin-0.7/(Colect Corrent/Tr Gain)
[22:35] <davor> why 0.7?
[22:35] <pksato> mosfet , just need a resistor to prevent false swicth. if not build in.
[22:35] <davor> well best look that up heh
[22:36] <davor> what does the resistor do exactly, how does it prevent false switching?
[22:36] <mgottschlag> 0.7 is the most common diode drop voltage in an npn
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[22:36] <mgottschlag> davor: the base of a mosfet is a capacitor
[22:36] <mgottschlag> you can charge it by just touching it
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[22:36] <mgottschlag> or somtimesby running a wire next to it with large enough current
[22:37] <mgottschlag> the resistor causes the gate to be grounded unless there is something stronger driving it
[22:37] <pksato> but, on digital circuit, most time use a some starndard values, like 1k, 4k7, 10k.
[22:37] <mgottschlag> also, it provides some ESD protection, for the same reasons
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[22:38] <mgottschlag> heh, always stick to E12/E24 resistors unless you have reasons
[22:38] <mgottschlag> (ESD protection in the sense that a touch with your finger can easily charge the gate to 1000V and destroy the transistor)
[22:38] <davor> voltage difference between the Pi's and the PC's ground jumps between +0.3v (Pi's gnd being of higher potential) and -0.1v
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[22:38] <davor> ahh, makes sense mgottschlag
[22:39] <davor> woah mgottschlag, that can happen on a BJT?
[22:39] <mgottschlag> no, mosfet only
[22:39] <davor> ahh
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[22:39] <davor> ahh the resistor does that
[22:39] <ShorTie> davor, ya don't forget you a mother board between the button and the power supply
[22:40] <mgottschlag> +-0.3v are good enough
[22:40] <mgottschlag> although you need to connect the grounds
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[22:41] <mgottschlag> also make sure that your computer's ground isn't directly connected to either neutral or live power lines - otherwise, when you rotate the plug in the wall socket, you suddenly might have 230V voltage difference
[22:41] <davor> hm, can't I use the PC's ground with an NPN, on the emitter, and connect a GPIO to the base?
[22:41] <mgottschlag> but that is really uncommon, at least 5V power supplies are always completely isolated
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[22:41] <davor> oh wow, gotta check that indeed
[22:41] <pksato> I suspect that computer can power up sending 3v3 direct to power pin.
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[22:42] <mgottschlag> davor: that scenario is probably not possible, but I've heard horror stories about it before
[22:42] <davor> I need to pull a 5v line down low instead of pulling a 0v line up high pksato
[22:42] <davor> horror stories indeed
[22:42] <mgottschlag> therefore I always check before connecting two power supplies together :)
[22:42] <pksato> to low?
[22:42] <davor> yes, it needs grounding
[22:45] <mgottschlag> anyways, gn8
[22:48] <davor> cya man, thanks for the help :)
[22:48] <pksato> davor: need to do similar to it (lower volume before play) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgFh6yLe6Os&feature=share&list=UU8yk0zzpUQu-yDpBZwvuoYA
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> evening..
[23:16] <GingerGeek> I'm starting a Raspberry Pi club at my school and am starting with basic coding in Python via Minecraft API. We will be doing projects based around Python interfacing wiht other things as well eg motors for a quadcopter, etc, etc. Any tools or programs you recommend for a classroom and dev envrionment?
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[23:20] <gordonDrogon> doing it in basic &| C ;-)
[23:21] <GingerGeek> hmm, I don't think that will get the passion I need :P
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[23:22] <gordonDrogon> my basic will soon be talking to minecraft though.
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> but not tonight as it's zed time!
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[23:52] * _BigWings_ (~Thunderbi@modemcable055.111-22-96.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:54] * picca (~picca@90.218.13.136) Quit (Quit: Lingo - http://www.lingoirc.com)
[23:55] * _BigWings_ (~Thunderbi@modemcable055.111-22-96.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:56] * smccarthy (~smccarthy@ip-64-134-237-221.public.wayport.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:59] * smccarthy (~smccarthy@ip-64-134-237-221.public.wayport.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:59] * jaytk (~jaytk@108-232-157-80.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:59] * Yachtsman (~Yachtsman@107.28.5.57) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)

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