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IRC Log for 2013-10-12

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[0:00] <eightfold> ShadowJK: it hadn't moved the pin into read only
[0:00] <ShadowJK> I said "filesystem", not "SD Card"... If you've yanked the power, or experienced a crash, or similar, the filesystem might have become corrupted to the point where kernel decides it's safer to not write
[0:01] <ShadowJK> And I imagine that "read only filesystem" would be one of the things that would trigger a kiosk mode
[0:01] <eightfold> ShadowJK: yes, i understand. i just explained why i had a look at the card.
[0:01] <ShadowJK> Not that I know anything at all about xfce4 and kiosk modes :)
[0:02] <ShadowJK> I'm just guessing, throwing ideas, etc
[0:02] <eightfold> ShadowJK: errors=remount-ro 0 0
[0:02] <eightfold> ?
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[0:03] <eightfold> rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0
[0:03] <eightfold> on the first line
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[0:04] <ShadowJK> remount-ro is ok
[0:04] <ShadowJK> first line is generally useless
[0:04] <ShadowJK> Ok I guess it's time to google wtf xfce kiosk mode is all about
[0:04] <ShadowJK> and what triggers it
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[0:05] <eightfold> ShadowJK: yup
[0:05] <ShadowJK> Also check 'dmesg' for weirdness
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[0:05] <eightfold> ShadowJK: thanks. how does weirdness show?
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[0:05] <ShadowJK> heh
[0:06] <ShadowJK> Compariing what "dmesg" usually looks like, to how "dmesg" looks now?
[0:07] <atomi> great write up if you're using Scala on the Pi http://spray.io/blog/2013-07-23-spray-on-the-raspberry-pi/
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[0:08] <atomi> hmm what happened to the hardfloat Debian distro?
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[0:09] <ShadowJK> Obsoleted by raspbian, I imagine?
[0:09] <atomi> exit
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[0:10] <atomi> hmm weird this is Raspbian there is no java --version
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[0:10] <ShadowJK> I think the install is kinda minimal
[0:10] <ShadowJK> but apt-get has more
[0:10] <atomi> hmmm yeah there was a new release 9/25
[0:11] <atomi> but I'm sure that's the version I have
[0:11] <ShadowJK> no java in apt-cache search ?
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[0:12] <atomi> ShadowJK: yeah I just see Java Wrappers
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[0:12] <plugwash> did you run apt-get update?
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[0:13] <atomi> and of course gcj
[0:13] <atomi> plugwash: no let me try that
[0:13] <atomi> I may just do a re-install
[0:14] <atomi> can I update the entire OS?
[0:14] <atomi> without re-install?
[0:16] <atomi> ah it's under oracle-java7-jdk
[0:16] <plugwash> yes, that is what apt-get upgrade (and sometimes apt-get dist-upgrade but you have to be a bit more careful with that one) are for
[0:16] <atomi> plugwash: ah ok
[0:16] <plugwash> yep oracle-java7-jre is what you want if you want a fast jdk and don't care about it being non-foss
[0:17] <atomi> plugwash: just going to play with Jersey for a bit, though I do also have a Vagrant/Chef machine for dev
[0:18] <eightfold> is there no .xinitrc when i have a clean install of raspbian
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[0:20] <atomi> well Fatal Error occured could not load Java
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[0:20] <atomi> looks like I have some troubleshooting to do
[0:21] <atomi> oh it's java -version not --version
[0:22] <atomi> nice thanks guys
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[0:27] <atomi> has anyone tried the JDK8 arm release?
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[1:35] <Firehopper> GRRRRR I HATE Microsoft
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[1:42] <SpeedEvil> Why?
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> One of my major reasons at the moment is exfat licencing.
[1:43] <Firehopper> they zapped me for live gold, when I thought I had canceled it
[1:43] <Firehopper> leaving me with $.34, cant get gas with that
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[1:57] <lwizardl> anyone know of a good place to find emulators for using on the pi
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[1:58] <ozzzy> to emulate what
[1:59] <lwizardl> well say nes, snes, and genesis
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[2:06] <ozzzy> oh... games
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[2:07] <ShadowJK> One of the reasons to not use debit cards online
[2:07] <ShadowJK> Atleast CC lets you dispute
[2:08] * ShadowJK prefers, of course, the "normal" bank transfer
[2:08] <ShadowJK> If they want money, they email you invoice
[2:08] <ShadowJK> Though these days the invoices seem to be payably both through the normal classic bank, and through more modern methods like debit/cc and paypal...
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[2:27] <bezaban> great. girlfriend comes home, proclaims how much she loves me, falls asleep on the sofa, I get her undressed and in bed, she throws up, has a panic attack, then falls asleep
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[2:30] <ozzzy> women that have panic attacks belong with someone else
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[2:30] <nsgn> interesting observation
[2:30] <nsgn> i have 4 raspberry pis. three of them run just fine at 1000mhz
[2:31] <nsgn> one locks up reliably at that speed
[2:31] * ozzzy runs his at default speed
[2:31] <nsgn> i'm pushing the CPU to max with my program so i need every ounce i can get
[2:31] <lwizardl> Firehopper, that is the exact reason I use the prepaid visa cards for my online subscriptions
[2:32] <lwizardl> they can only grab it when I put the money on the cards, otherwise the charge attempt fails for no funds
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[2:33] * ozzzy 's software doesn't make the pi even break a sweat
[2:33] <Firehopper> yeah this is a prepaid card, too bad its the one my paycheck is auto deposited to..
[2:33] <Firehopper> I thought I had killed it.. but apparently not..
[2:34] <Firehopper> It should be killed now though
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[2:35] <nsgn> and on my third lockup the filesystem is now hosed. nice
[2:35] <nsgn> why on earth would the same program run fine this way on 3 pis and the 4th not handle it
[2:35] <lwizardl> different hardware revisions maybe ?
[2:36] <nsgn> lwizardl, this is a 512pi...hmm. why would it handle worse than the 256 one?
[2:37] <lwizardl> not sure, was thinking maybe it has a different chipset or something and that difference is causing the lockup maybe
[2:37] <ozzzy> not all chips respond the same
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[2:53] <ozzzy> I wonder why every computer I've ever owned has noise coming from the speakers when the mouse moves
[2:54] <nsgn> ozzzy, i've noticed this too, but only for some computers
[2:55] <nsgn> primarily desktops, usually slightly older ones
[2:55] <bezaban> how do you overclock a pi?
[2:55] <ozzzy> every computer I've had in the past 20 years has done it
[2:55] <ozzzy> this one's not that old
[2:55] <nsgn> bezaban, raspi-config lets you do it officially and (fairly) safe
[2:55] <bezaban> is there a bios or do you do iy with software?
[2:55] <bezaban> ah ok
[2:55] <nsgn> ozzzy, maybe you use the same cruddy speakers? :D
[2:55] <nsgn> bezaban, there's no traditional bios on the pi
[2:55] <bezaban> nsgn: thanks
[2:56] <bezaban> nsgn: oh right, just got one today
[2:56] <nsgn> bezaban, no prob. just remember if you hit instability clock back a bit. one of my 4 wont run at 1000mhz, but does at 900. weird stuff
[2:56] <bezaban> arm is different
[2:56] <bezaban> nsgn: what is default clock speed?
[2:56] <nsgn> bezaban, eh, it's not so much because its arm. its just the way the pi is designed to load firmware from the SD card at every boot
[2:56] <nsgn> bezaban, 700mhz
[2:57] <bezaban> guy in the shop said you can easily clock to 900
[2:58] <nsgn> bezaban, judging by my saying 3 of my 4 will go to 1000 and my 4th is fine at 900, i'd say probably so
[2:58] <nsgn> depends what you're doing as to whether it is necessary
[2:58] <nsgn> overclocking is far from always the right thing
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[2:58] <bezaban> not sure I need it, my first is a media centre that lags a little during playback with raspbmc while accessing menus
[2:58] <nsgn> two of mine i run at default cause their job in life isnt hard and i'd prefer to extend their lifespan
[2:59] <nsgn> i think the menu speed thing is a known issue in raspbmc
[2:59] <bezaban> class 10 SD storage
[2:59] <nsgn> but you can always try bumping it up a bit and seeing if it fixes it
[2:59] <nsgn> try 800 or 900
[2:59] <nsgn> or go for 1000. you arent likely to instantly damage the thing. if its unstable just clock back
[3:00] <nsgn> for the price of a Pi i have a few that run stable at 1000, have hard jobs, so i leave them there. if they live a shorter life i'll replace them
[3:00] <nsgn> cause they do their job far cheaper than a normal PC would
[3:00] <bezaban> nsgn: yeah, I have the same philosophy for home stuff
[3:01] <bezaban> my only regret is that I couldn't fit my old PVR card in it
[3:01] <nsgn> in it? its probably bigger than the pi by 3x
[3:01] <bezaban> hehe yeah
[3:01] <bezaban> 'on it' then
[3:02] <nsgn> yeah, unfortunately the pi's lack of horsepower means it probably isnt well cut for encoding video
[3:02] <nsgn> decoding is tricky enough at times
[3:03] <bezaban> I'm giving it a trial
[3:03] <bezaban> so functional and high WAF
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[3:03] <nsgn> i'd use raspbmc if it worked with netflix
[3:03] <bezaban> (wife acceptance factor)
[3:03] <nsgn> thats where i do most of my watching. roku is king of my livingroom for that
[3:03] <bezaban> I'm running raspbmc
[3:04] <nsgn> WAF in my home theater was only moderate with a media center PC in there. went to very high with roku.
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[3:04] <bezaban> old solution had remote and lcd, but doesn't seem to matter
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[3:44] <Sonny_Jim> Is the Pi little endian or big endian?
[3:44] <nsgn> Sonny_Jim, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=531
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[3:45] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
[3:45] <Sonny_Jim> Ok
[3:45] <nsgn> Erm to you too :)
[3:45] <Sonny_Jim> I'll just install a webbrowser
[3:45] <Sonny_Jim> two ticks
[3:46] <nsgn> The answer is not as simple as "big" or "little" on arm, as i understand it. Thus the link to a conversation that goes deeper than i know on the topic
[3:46] <Triffid_Hunter> it's mixed endian?
[3:46] <nsgn> Not sure what they'd call it. Read that thread :)
[3:47] <nsgn> Someone in there called it "bi curious"
[3:47] <Sonny_Jim> Confusing
[3:47] <Triffid_Hunter> anyway, that's what htons and htonl are for.. then don't need to worry about it at all
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[4:31] <nsgn> interesting. reading up it seems the hard float version of raspbian is higher performing for some tasks than the soft float one
[4:31] <nsgn> makes sense but i'm curious where this performance benefit would be recognized
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[4:37] <nsgn> where did the raspbian hard float image go? did there not used to be one on the foundation's website?
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[4:47] <shiftplusone> nsgn, yes, it's still right there
[4:48] <nsgn> shiftplusone, is it the main image now?
[4:48] <nsgn> or am i mixing them up
[4:48] <shiftplusone> main image?
[4:48] <nsgn> well, the one offered as the recommended raspbian
[4:48] <nsgn> the most common one
[4:48] <shiftplusone> it's the only raspbian
[4:49] <shiftplusone> and the only one that ever was
[4:49] <nsgn> ah. i swear i remember them offering that two ways. maybe it was a different distro all together
[4:49] <shiftplusone> I think you're mixing up soft float debian and raspbian
[4:49] <nsgn> probably so
[4:49] <nsgn> that explains it then. thanks
[4:49] <shiftplusone> raspbian was always hard float, but some people needed to use plain debian.
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[7:11] <shiftplusone> 4
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[8:16] <XMLnewbi> how do i test a wifi connection when im already ssh'ed in over lan? im having a hell of a time getting this rpi on the wireless
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[8:19] <Ben64> ping the wireless ip?
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[8:24] <geordie> XMLnewbi: ifconfig will tell you if you have an IP number on that interface
[8:24] <XMLnewbi> oh, just iwconfig tells me im not on
[8:24] <XMLnewbi> Access point Not-Associated
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[10:13] <Hamsten> lol
[10:13] <Hamsten> so many people
[10:13] <Hamsten> (^_^)
[10:15] <[Saint]> Nah.
[10:15] <[Saint]> None of us are real.
[10:16] <Hamsten> what?
[10:16] <Hamsten> your are real man, is it?
[10:16] <Hamsten> your are real man, isnt it?
[10:16] <Hamsten> (^_^)
[10:18] <LuisLeite> i'm real :|
[10:19] <Hamsten> hehe
[10:19] <Hamsten> •﹏•
[10:19] <[Saint]> That's exactly what an impostor would say.
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[10:20] <Hamsten> @( ̄- ̄)@
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[10:23] <LuisLeite> haha
[10:23] <Hamsten> what can raspberry pi do? i want to buy a one
[10:23] <LuisLeite> lies :P
[10:23] <Hamsten> -_-||
[10:23] <LuisLeite> anything i think lol
[10:23] <LuisLeite> i use my like a webserver and xmbc
[10:24] <[Saint]> (•_•)
[10:24] <[Saint]> ( •_•)>⌐■-■
[10:24] <[Saint]> (⌐■_■)
[10:24] <LuisLeite> YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[10:24] <Hamsten> →_→O_o
[10:25] <LuisLeite> we never close, we are open 24H :F
[10:25] <Hamsten> webserver?
[10:25] <Hamsten> could i see your site?
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[10:26] <LuisLeite> i use like dev webserver
[10:28] <JakeSays> Hamsten: a pi can do whatever you program it to do
[10:28] <Hamsten> ..i want to buy a one for play
[10:29] <Hamsten> i d k what i will do
[10:29] <JakeSays> good idea. i bought a two for play
[10:29] <Hamsten> maybe connet to my old tv
[10:29] <Hamsten> or other
[10:29] <Hamsten> (^_^)
[10:29] <Hamsten> lolO_o
[10:29] <Hamsten> what play? jakesays?
[10:30] <JakeSays> and having a need/reason for a pi is not a requirement for purchasing one. lol
[10:31] <JakeSays> Hamsten: i'm going to purchase 3 more of them to use as vnc clients at work
[10:32] <Hamsten> vnc...
[10:32] <Hamsten> that is so slow for me~~_~
[10:33] <JakeSays> slow?
[10:33] <Hamsten> dont tell me you use vnc watch moive┏ (^ω^)
[10:33] <Hamsten> •﹏•
[10:33] <JakeSays> no. these vnc clients will be suspended from the ceiling and used as status displays
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[10:35] <Hamsten> •﹏•....
[10:35] <Hamsten> you can try use vnc play video •﹏•
[10:36] <JakeSays> i have no interest in playing video
[10:36] <Hamsten> •﹏• kk..
[10:36] <Hamsten> •﹏•
[10:38] <Hamsten> gotta leave.. bye~
[10:38] <Hamsten> Have a nice day!
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[12:01] <spm-Draget> Raspberry Pi needs more than 2GB - anyone knows why? So many additional programming stuff installed?
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[12:03] <ShorTie> ya
[12:04] <ShorTie> arch uses way less then 2gig, but it has no gui installed by default
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[12:04] <spm-Draget> I thought about installing a plain wheezy. But I assume there are a lot of optimizations…
[12:05] <spm-Draget> Erm, sorry, 'Raspberry PI needs more…' I mean Rasbian ofcourse!
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[12:05] <spm-Draget> I actually have some solid linux knowlege, just worded my question stupidly xD
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[12:06] <spm-Draget> ARMv6 instruction set with hardware floatingpoint unit, right?
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[12:08] <spm-Draget> Which arch is debian-wheezy hf? *digs through the debian docs*
[12:10] <ShorTie> just like debian, raspbian, etc...., arch is another form of linux
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[12:12] <spm-Draget> Yes, I know. But debian-wheezy armhf -> is it armv6? armv5? armv7?
[12:13] <spm-Draget> If it is compiled for armv7 - I'd have no luck trying it on the BCM2835, if it was armv5, it would not run at it's full potential
[12:13] <ShorTie> since the rPi is a armv6 product, would it not make sense it is armv6
[12:15] <spm-Draget> Erm, talking about debian wheezy here. They did not put out the arm builds only for rpi :P But I'll find it in the doc… *reads more*
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[12:17] <spm-Draget> Hmm armel… okay, things get a bit confusing for me, here :P But I'll figure it out.
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[12:19] <ShorTie> what are you try to do may i ask ??
[12:20] <ShorTie> i believe most of the 'major' stuff needs to be cross compiled on a regular pc for the rPi
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[12:25] <ShorTie> this might be good to put on your reading list http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=50310
[12:28] <spm-Draget> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianFAQ has also cleared up a bunch of things. ARMEL is what combines things - but wheezy uses hard-floats only on armv7 while on armv6 (the rpi) it will fall back and suffer floating point performance. This is why raspbian has recompiled everything for armv6 arch with hardware fpu. Guess I need to use raspbian then.
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[12:41] <ShadowJK> Why is there no distro with softfloat abi that uses hw fpu? ;-)
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[12:43] <shiftplusone> spm-Draget, you can install raspbian without installing all the nonsense.
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[12:49] <spm-Draget> ShadowJK: If I understood correctly, this would allow compability to soft-float binaries while still using the hardware fpu - yet floats would be passed via interger registers and cause some overhead.
[12:50] <spm-Draget> shiftplusone: Cool. I'll give the installer a go later… just trying to figure out what other patches openelec added to their distro. It would be nice to have the same performance for xbmc while having a regular debian running under it.
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[12:51] <shiftplusone> spm-Draget, If you're going to give it a go, don't use the official installer. Use this one instead https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[12:51] <shiftplusone> spm-Draget, also, maybe look into xbian
[12:51] <shiftplusone> I don't know how 'regular' it is though
[12:53] <spm-Draget> Hmm. My plan is to use it as XBMC player *and* a server for icinga and mysql-database (for my amarokdb and other things).
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[12:56] <ShorTie> is there not xbmc images aleady ??
[12:56] <shiftplusone> images or packages? O_o
[12:57] <shiftplusone> doesn't matter actually. Either way, yes, yes there are.
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[13:18] <letstest> hello. I am looking for some raspbmc help. I have a pi that does not have an ethernet port. So, I am unable to set up wifi. Is there a way for me to get around this?
[13:19] <shiftplusone> idn, but #raspbmc may be able to help
[13:19] <shiftplusone> there is a wifi setup menu in raspbmc though
[13:19] <letstest> oh cool. thanks
[13:19] <shiftplusone> np
[13:20] <shiftplusone> (it didn't work for me when I tried raspbmc though)
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[13:33] <Nefarious___> how much more efficient would it be to run rpi's in parallel processing in terms of a percentage?
[13:33] <chris_99> what do you mean?
[13:35] <Nefarious___> basically I'm setting up a webserver, but I hardly think 1 raspberry pi could handle say 50 people. so I was thinking of using two or three working together to handle it
[13:36] <chris_99> you're probably better off with a single computer with lots of RAM etc. if you're planning on serving lots of people i guess
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[13:50] <ShorTie> the usb/nic is a very limiting factor on network stuff
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[13:51] <shiftplusone> I don't see why 50 people would be an issue when it comes to network. Assuming they are dynamic pages, it might be, but then I think the CPU would be the limiting factor.
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[14:29] <davor> I wish there were an RF-controlled GPIO extender board
[14:29] <davor> battery operated or something like that
[14:30] <davor> I could use multiple IOs scatterred around my place
[14:30] <davor> that I can operate with my Pi
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[14:51] <Nefarious___> shiftplusone: its not a network factor, its the hardware I was talking about
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[14:54] <jackmac> sudo apt-get update
[14:54] <jackmac> oops!
[14:55] <shiftplusone> [sudo] password for jackmac:
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[14:56] <jackmac> :D
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[14:57] <shiftplusone> Sorry, try again.
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[14:59] <davor> Take a stress pill and think things over.
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[15:00] <shiftplusone> heh
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[15:52] <Vialas> hello everyone
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[15:53] <LuisLeite> hello Vialas
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[15:55] <shiftplusone> Vialas, what was the problem?
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[15:57] <Vialas> hey mate
[15:57] <Vialas> why do you think i am here because i have a problem ?
[15:57] <shiftplusone> Ah, you didn't verify your account, ey?
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[15:58] <Vialas> hello LuisLeite
[15:58] <Vialas> yes that was it lol
[15:58] <Vialas> ohh sorry shiftplusone i see what your saying
[15:58] * Vialas had too many scotches lol
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[15:59] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[16:08] <Vialas> lol
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[16:08] <Vialas> soooo as it turns out i am here for a reason
[16:08] <Vialas> but i think since the time i tried to get in here the first time, and now i have located the source of the issue
[16:08] <Vialas> so i may just be in here to anoy you all instead :D
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[16:17] <Vialas> well dont all talk at once!
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[18:15] <Encrypt> Hi everybody!
[18:16] <Encrypt> I'm looking for a way to power the Raspberry Pi with a 9V battery
[18:16] <Encrypt> Apparently, some people already do that... But I don't understand how they manage to do that in this way:
[18:17] <Encrypt> The Raspberry Pi will consume up to 700mA maximum
[18:17] <Encrypt> And a 9V battery can provide 100mA max
[18:17] <Encrypt> So, even with a tension regulator... it can't go up to 700mA, right?
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[18:17] <Romeo-> u need 7
[18:17] <Encrypt> voltage regulator*
[18:18] <Encrypt> Ya, 7 in parallel would work in theory
[18:18] <ReggieUK> a 9v battery will give as much current as it's got, it'll just use it more quickly
[18:18] <Encrypt> But then, how do people manage to power their Pi like that?
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[18:19] <Encrypt> ReggieUK, That's strange, since when I see the graphs I = f(U)... I isn't higher than 100mA...
[18:19] <Romeo-> power supply:)
[18:19] <ReggieUK> what graphs?
[18:19] <ReggieUK> not sure I understand where graphs comes into it
[18:19] <Encrypt> Appart from LiPo batteries but that's quite hard to charge and discharge...
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[18:22] <ShadowJK> A 9V battery might be capable of providing 700mA for a few seconds
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[18:24] <chithead> a lantern battery like that one http://www.newark.com/energizer/529/alkaline-battery-6v-lantern/dp/02H5588 might last a day
[18:24] <spm-Draget> Depends on the battery quality… some might be able to do 1A for <1s, most will not pump out more than 500mA for a few seconds and be generally dead within minutes (i.e. they drop under 6V which will make the dc-voltage regulator stop working that you surely use when putting a 9V battery to the pi =) )
[18:24] <spm-Draget> Oh, hey chithead =D You in here ^.^
[18:25] <spm-Draget> Trying raspbian right now… checking if the repos have most of my wished debian packages. But it tingles to actually use gentoo on my Pi xD
[18:25] <Encrypt> Ok...
[18:26] <Encrypt> I'd use if for 3 minutes so I don't think it's a good solution then...
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[18:26] <ShadowJK> 6xAA batteries would maintain over 7V (approximately minimum for a 7805 regulator providing 5V) powering the rpI for approximately 30-45 minutes
[18:26] <spm-Draget> Encrypt: The rPi uses 700mA with ethernet networking. Or if you have additional USB devices. But if you use Model A without the ethernet chip, you might actually use a 9V battery to power your Pi for a while.
[18:26] <chithead> the rpi model A is better suited for battery operation I guess
[18:27] <spm-Draget> Model A uses less than half of that on average.
[18:27] <Encrypt> Yes
[18:27] <Romeo-> what about arch Encrypt
[18:27] <Encrypt> What do you mean?
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[18:28] <Romeo-> i mean spm-Draget archlinux
[18:28] <spm-Draget> Romeo-: I am a real gentoo fanboy. I know arch is nice, too. But I am already *very* familar with gentoo.
[18:29] <spm-Draget> Not sure how much stuff to learn when swiching to arch.
[18:29] <ShadowJK> On the other hand, 10 D cells could power rpi for 10-20 hours (depending on battery quality)
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[18:30] <Romeo-> nothing
[18:31] <Romeo-> works out of the box, without compiling:)
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[18:33] <spm-Draget> Romeo-: Well, but it does not have portage. And portage is like… *murr*
[18:33] <spm-Draget> xD
[18:33] <Romeo-> aur
[18:34] <spm-Draget> Is that arch's package-manager?
[18:34] <Romeo-> no
[18:34] <Romeo-> pacman
[18:34] <Romeo-> take a look
[18:34] <Romeo-> they have a good wiki too
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[18:42] <Romeo-> spm-Draget, http://nopaste.info/6cc2ee6324.html
[18:43] <spm-Draget> Yes?
[18:43] * ozzzy ordered a motor shield for his arduino... hopefully the pi will talk to the arduino over I2C to talk to the board
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[18:44] <spm-Draget> mirrordirector.raspbian.org vs archive.raspbian.org ?
[18:45] <spm-Draget> The two machines seems to be in the same network, but different IP (206 vs 207)
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[21:30] <Sonny_Jim> Hey, has anyone tried compiling snes9x-rr for the Pi?
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[21:33] <Kane> bonsoir
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> Evenin'
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[21:55] <stevarino> how safe is it to cross connect a pi's ground circuit to another 5V ground circuit if they're powered from different transformers?
[21:55] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[21:55] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I do that
[21:55] <stevarino> Sonny_Jim: that's to me?
[21:55] <Sonny_Jim> I share the ground with my SNES and my Pi in my SNES Bot
[21:55] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah
[21:56] <Sonny_Jim> But because one of the chips is connected to both, I found I had to put in a blocking diode otherwise the voltage would leak out the chip into the SNES when it was powered off
[21:56] <Sonny_Jim> Is there a connection between the 5V circuit and the Pi in any way apart from the GND?
[21:57] <krautguy> hi, is it possible connect and to power a RPi with an USB-to-miniUSB-cable?
[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[21:57] <stevarino> it's for a relay module. http://wiki.netduino.com/SainSmart-5V-Relay-Module.ashx
[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> But most USB ports can't supply enough current
[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> I'd need to see a circuit diagram tbh
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[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, if you wire it up the way I would, it should be safe
[21:57] <stevarino> yeah, I'm having trouble finding a diagram for this thing.... :\
[21:58] <Sonny_Jim> As there is no physical connection, it uses magnetism to close the relay
[21:58] <stevarino> how would you?
[21:58] <Sonny_Jim> Easy
[21:58] <stevarino> well, there's a optocoupler in that module
[21:58] <Sonny_Jim> Even better
[21:58] <mgottschlag> krautguy: actually, you'd need a miniusb-to-microusb converter afaik :p
[21:58] <Sonny_Jim> Ah yes
[21:58] <Sonny_Jim> The Pi is MicroUSB?
[21:59] <mgottschlag> I think so
[21:59] <stevarino> that module is weird, i supply it with 5v and a ground, and the signal voltage only works when it receives ground.
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> hey mgottschlag
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> SNESBot is fully working now :-)
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> Just running through a load of games to find any that don't work
[22:00] <mgottschlag> stevarino: well, you have to connect ground, otherwise they wouldn't have any common reference potential
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> So far it's a high 90% success rate
[22:00] <mgottschlag> Sonny_Jim: nice
[22:00] <mgottschlag> what made it work? optimized interrupt handler?
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> Nah
[22:00] <krautguy> ouh you are right
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> I was feeding the 4021's with 3.3V vcc
[22:00] <stevarino> mgottschlag: no, i mean i connect 5V and ground, but to activate the relay, the signal pin needs to connect to ground also
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> Duuh
[22:01] <krautguy> thanks, so i guess i don't have the right cable^^
[22:01] <mgottschlag> stevarino: that link above sounds as if that is expected
[22:02] <stevarino> mgottschlag: ah, "active-low"
[22:02] <stevarino> thanks
[22:03] <mgottschlag> the schematics show that the pin is driving an optocoupler which has its other end connected to the supply voltage
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[22:04] <krautguy> next question.. i see my favourite terminal-programms (picoterm and gtkterm) are not avaible with raspbian.. do you have any alternatives?
[22:04] <stevarino> mgottschlag: yeah, i just found this: http://www.sainsmart.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/-/2-channel__.jpg
[22:05] <stevarino> mgottschlag: my issue is that i have a 2-relay module, and i'm trying to control each relay from a different circuit... Just connecting each to their respective grounds doesn't work
[22:05] <Sonny_Jim> krautguy: Is this for serial communication?
[22:06] <Sonny_Jim> If so, I think it was minicom I used to use
[22:06] <mgottschlag> stevarino: why? you might want to consolidate your power supplies :)
[22:07] <stevarino> mgottschlag: i'm actually trying to detect when 115V is present in a line and activate a relay appropriately. I figured the easy way was to throw a 5VDC transformer on it and connect that to the relay
[22:07] <mgottschlag> you could add another optocoupler
[22:07] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[22:08] <stevarino> where do you guys get all these random parts? I'm just starting out, so I'm fresh out of optocouplers :P
[22:09] <mgottschlag> I have an electronics shop 10min away \o/
[22:09] <Sonny_Jim> Whereabouts in the world are you?
[22:10] <Sonny_Jim> In the UK, I use RS, Digikey and as a last resort, Maplins
[22:10] <mgottschlag> Karlsruhe, Germany
[22:10] <stevarino> haha, i have a micro center but they barely carry the basics
[22:10] <stevarino> i live near DC in the US
[22:10] <krautguy> ouh ill take it, thx
[22:11] <ShorTie> i'm on other side of bay
[22:12] <davor> I'm on the other side of the Atlantic POND!
[22:12] <davor> what are we talking about?
[22:12] <krautguy> it is soo cool, i can control a computer controlling a computer controlling.. ^^
[22:12] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[22:13] <Sonny_Jim> I think Digikey are a US company
[22:13] <stevarino> the pond... bringing back navy memories :|
[22:13] <Sonny_Jim> Although watch out, minimum order numbers and buying surface mount instead of DIP
[22:13] <mgottschlag> Sonny_Jim: the best thing about digikey is that they ship just as fast as local companies
[22:13] <mgottschlag> indeed, I don't want to end up with DIP :D
[22:13] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[22:13] <Sonny_Jim> I quite like their SchemeIt
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> For a browser based thing it works ok
[22:14] <mgottschlag> "if it is easy to solder, it isn't small enough"
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> I did the SNESBot schematic with it
[22:14] <stevarino> Sonny_Jim: what is your SNESBot, anyway?
[22:14] <ShorTie> lol @ mgottschlag
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> It plugs into the controller port of a SNES
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> So you can use a USB joystick and record and playback gaming sessions
[22:14] <stevarino> no way.....
[22:15] <stevarino> ahhh
[22:15] <stevarino> i thought you were going to say it tries to play or something
[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> It does
[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> But you have to play it first
[22:15] <davor> can I communicate with an ATMega with a Pi via RF?
[22:15] <stevarino> interesting.
[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> Because the RNG in most games is so crap, the game will play back exactly the same
[22:15] <stevarino> lol
[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> So same random items, enemies move the same etc
[22:15] <stevarino> i was curious about that
[22:15] <mgottschlag> davor: yes, with the right RF modules that should be simple
[22:16] <Sonny_Jim> 90% of games use the time between powerup and the first controller input as the seed for the RNG
[22:16] <patagonicus> I wouldn't call it crap, it's just a PRNG that has to be initialized by something you can control with a bit of hardware.
[22:16] <Sonny_Jim> There's no clock or hardware RNG, limited entropy available
[22:16] <davor> thanks mgottschlag. I'm thinking of making a wireless GPIO extender. is there something like that already available for sale?
[22:16] <stevarino> that's actually really interesting. have you found any games that this doesn't work on?
[22:16] <mgottschlag> nothing I know of
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> patagonicus: The only other way that I know of is to use uninitialised memory
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> But you can get around that
[22:17] <davor> might start a kickstarted mgottschlag :p
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> Put in a cart with custom code that zeros the memory, chill the RAM, poweroff and then insert game
[22:17] <davor> *kickstarter
[22:18] <mgottschlag> davor: do it ^^
[22:18] <davor> what RF module would you recommend?
[22:18] <patagonicus> Well, a better way would anything that acts as a hardware random number generator. Maybe even a clock, they all skew a bit. But with SNES there's just no hardware. Doesn't make the PRNG any worse, though.
[22:18] <mgottschlag> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/HC-06-Wireless-Serial-4-Pin-Bluetooth-RF-Transceiver-Module-RS232-TTL-for-Arduino-Free-Shipping/1033478945.html <- the smd module on that device might be a starting point
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[22:18] <mgottschlag> one should get that without the other pcb
[22:18] <davor> might earn a bit of pocket money, why not
[22:18] <Sonny_Jim> The PRNG *is* crap otherwise my bot wouldn't work
[22:18] <mgottschlag> I mean, like http://www.aliexpress.com/item/wholesale-hc-05-HC-05-RF-Wireless-Bluetooth-Transceiver-Module-RS232-TTL-to-UART-converter-and/579480371.html
[22:19] <patagonicus> Sonny_Jim: No, PRNGs are always deterministic, that's what the pseudo is standing for. SNES is "crap" because it has no way of initializing it randomly.
[22:20] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[22:20] <Sonny_Jim> It is only a game console
[22:20] <Sonny_Jim> Not exactly an ATM or something
[22:21] <stevarino> you would think they could include one in the cart? or i guess it never was that important
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[22:22] <patagonicus> Nah, why bother? They can just use stuff that's "random enough" like the time until a button is pressed for the first time.
[22:22] <Sonny_Jim> And if you playback those inputs synced exactly, then the randomness vanishes
[22:22] <davor> mgottschlag, hmm, bluetooth? sounds good
[22:23] <patagonicus> Yep, but they weren't exactly designing against tool assisted speedruns. ;)
[22:23] <mgottschlag> actually, http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5pcs-NEW-NRF24L01-2-4GHz-Antenna-Wireless-Transceiver-Module/1151731070.html looks better
[22:23] <mgottschlag> no bluetooth, therefore easier software integration
[22:24] <mgottschlag> and the pi doesn't need any proper bluetooth stack (which happens to be difficult under linux)
[22:24] <davor> ah, sounds good
[22:24] <davor> btw what's that oval tin component on the board?
[22:24] <davor> looks like a can
[22:24] <mgottschlag> that's a quartz crystal
[22:24] <davor> ahh
[22:25] <davor> for achieving 2.4 GHz frequency?
[22:25] <mgottschlag> the board before that has one as well, the small rectangular metal part
[22:25] <mgottschlag> well, everywhere where you need a stable clock you need a crystal
[22:25] <davor> indeed
[22:25] <davor> gotcha
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[22:25] <mgottschlag> somple RC oscillators vary greatly with the temperature
[22:25] <mgottschlag> *simple
[22:25] <davor> the board even looks like something I could wire myself
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[22:26] <mgottschlag> like, redesign your own custom board? at that price, that seems hardly useful :)
[22:26] <davor> wonder how I'd power the ATMega side. maybe a small rechargable battery with a microusb port. would need to make a power management circuit and all kinds of things then though
[22:26] <davor> ha, indeed. but fun nonetheless! :D
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[22:27] <davor> plus if I actually intend on selling it or something in the (far) future, I want to make the entire thing myself from scratch :p
[22:27] <mgottschlag> http://mikrocontroller-praxis.de/media/images/popup/ITS-IM120606002f.jpg - looks simple, the antenna might be the tricky part though (at least without RF experience)
[22:28] <mgottschlag> also, https://raw.github.com/wiki/mchck/mchck/gen-images/power-power.png :)
[22:29] <davor> indeed. what's the chip though?
[22:29] <mgottschlag> http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/2.4GHz-RF/nRF24L01P
[22:29] <Ricksl> JakeSays you around?
[22:29] <Sonny_Jim> You'd think there'd be a drop-in board you can buy that does USB charging with a battery by now
[22:30] <JakeSays> Ricksl: yessir
[22:30] <Ricksl> hows it been?
[22:30] <JakeSays> pretty good, and you?
[22:31] <Ricksl> not bad, catching a cold feeling like my head is in a vice but other than that I have been pretty good.
[22:31] <JakeSays> ah thats no fun
[22:31] <Ricksl> how is that 3d printer thing going.
[22:31] <davor> ooo those are some good links mgottschlag :D thanks man!
[22:32] <JakeSays> Ricksl: slow :( i've had NO time, and probably won't 'till december
[22:32] <Ricksl> shame.
[22:33] <Ricksl> Went to makerfaire 3 or so weeks ago and saw some pretty cool 3d printers
[22:33] <davor> I'm kind of having trouble making out what's what in the power managment circuit
[22:33] <mgottschlag> davor: if in doubt, browse the other pages of that wiki or ask in #mchck, they are building a cheap microcontroller board
[22:33] <stevarino> what causes the issue where if i measure two 5VDC circuits relative to each other (A gnd to B hot or A hot to B gnd) i don't see real voltage
[22:33] <mgottschlag> they have various power supply options
[22:34] <davor> woah, that sounds excellent!
[22:34] <davor> thanks man :)
[22:34] <stevarino> options?
[22:34] <mgottschlag> (based on a small ARM mcu, looks really good)
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[22:37] <JakeSays> Ricksl: i did get one of these tho: http://www.piclist.com/techref/io/stepper/linistep/LiniV2_bld.htm
[22:37] <davor> stevarino, I'm pretty much a newbie, but try measuring voltage between gnds of the two circuits
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[22:38] <stevarino> davor: about the same...
[22:38] <davor> not enough to account for the difference?
[22:38] <mgottschlag> stevarino: well, do they share a potential?
[22:38] <stevarino> davor: if i cross connect a gnd to b gnd, though, everything makes sense
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[22:38] <mgottschlag> if they are isolated, you can't measure any voltage
[22:38] <stevarino> mgottschlag: no, different rectifiers/transformers/etc
[22:38] <mgottschlag> yeah, that won't work
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[22:39] <stevarino> why? 5VDC is 5VDC, right? there's (theoretically) no frequency
[22:39] <mgottschlag> no, voltages are allways the difference between two potentials
[22:39] <Ricksl> neat JakeSays, its pretty cool how many controller boards there are these days
[22:39] <JakeSays> yup
[22:39] <JakeSays> gonna get 3 more of 'em
[22:39] <mgottschlag> but potentials which are completely isolated cannot be compared
[22:40] <mgottschlag> your voltage meter acts like a large resistor, and it will just connect the two test points together
[22:40] <mgottschlag> so suddenly they are on the same potential
[22:40] <mgottschlag> so, the voltage will be around 0
[22:40] <stevarino> mgottschlag: you're talking about impedance, right? and the voltmeter has high impedance so it shouldn't affect potentials
[22:41] <mgottschlag> even high impendance isn't infinite
[22:41] <mgottschlag> and the voltmeter will have lower impedance than the air between the two test points
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[22:41] <stevarino> so why does it work with two points on the same circuit? voltmeters work, potentials don't always equalize
[22:41] <mgottschlag> and there isn't any other connection, so the voltmeter by far is the strongest connection
[22:41] <Ricksl> I think the coolest thing I saw at makerfaire in the realm of 3d printers was this http://makezine.com/2013/09/23/why-your-machine-needs-a-tinyg/
[22:42] <mgottschlag> well, in that case, the circuit potentials are just not changed very much by inserting another e.g. 100MOhm resistor (your voltmeter)
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[22:42] <mgottschlag> the potentials *will* change, but you won't notice the effect
[22:42] <stevarino> Ricksl: woah
[22:43] <Ricksl> it actually calculates speeds using jerk equations, it knows how to accelerate very very quickly without making the machine rattle
[22:43] <Ricksl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om0wTqFA-Dw
[22:44] <stevarino> i want a 3d printer :(
[22:45] <mgottschlag> +1
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[22:49] <davor> hm, RF transcievers aren't as cheap as I thought
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[22:50] <davor> basically at least $5 apiece
[22:50] <davor> and I'd need two
[22:50] <mgottschlag> davor: hm? those up there were 1$ per piece, with free shipping
[22:50] <davor> yeah? I need my head examined :p
[22:51] <mgottschlag> from china though, with up to 1 month shipping time :)
[22:51] <Ricksl> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/nrf24l01module-p-1394.html?cPath=19_22 I have used this one a lot and someone did some hacking and got it to speak bluetooth le
[22:52] <mgottschlag> that's exactly the same board :D
[22:52] <Ricksl> sorry didn't catch the first part of the conversation
[22:52] <mgottschlag> and seeedstudio has quite some margin there it seems
[22:52] <mgottschlag> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5pcs-NEW-NRF24L01-2-4GHz-Antenna-Wireless-Transceiver-Module/1151731070.html
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[22:52] <mgottschlag> this was it
[22:53] <mgottschlag> the seller is less trustworthy though
[22:53] <davor> ah, indeed, quite cheap
[22:54] <davor> lol, I found just the chip on ebay for $3.60, whereas the board is $2.90 from seeed
[22:55] <mgottschlag> yeah, the chip is 0.75$ on aliexpress
[22:55] <davor> holy sweet potatoes!
[22:55] <davor> that's good.
[22:55] <mgottschlag> and the board is 0.85 if you buy 100
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[22:57] <mgottschlag> (or 20)
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[22:58] <stevarino> is seeed a good parts store?
[22:59] <mgottschlag> depends on what you want
[22:59] <Ricksl> they have lot of custom boards
[22:59] <mgottschlag> I never tried it
[22:59] <Ricksl> a lot*
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[22:59] <davor> hehe, wish the minimum quantity were 1 :p
[23:00] <mgottschlag> at that price, I'd just get 5 and find something else where I'd need the other ones
[23:00] <mgottschlag> (or try to find friends which want some)
[23:00] <stevarino> "minimum qty: 0.5" wat?
[23:00] <mgottschlag> and if you want to go for kickstarter, you'll need 100 anyways
[23:01] <davor> yeah best first order one or two off ebay for 3 bucks a pop or something like that to build a prototype
[23:01] <davor> then if everything goes according to plan, start planning in bulk
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[23:04] <mgottschlag> the 3 dollars for the RF module are the cheapest part of your prototype anyways
[23:04] <davor> yeah true
[23:04] <davor> might be a bit expensive altogether
[23:04] <mgottschlag> you'll need an atmega (1-2$), then you need PCBs made (10$), connectors (3$?)
[23:05] <mgottschlag> oh, the 10$ for the PCBs of course don't contain shipping
[23:05] <mgottschlag> actually, that looks like a pretty cheap project to me
[23:05] <davor> heh, what would the retail price be then?
[23:06] <davor> probably wouldn't seem all that affordable
[23:06] <mgottschlag> hm, if you say that you have 1$ connectors for every board, 1$ PCB and 1$ RF module, you could sell for 10$ plus shipping
[23:06] <davor> I have no idea how much one would be ready to pay either
[23:06] <davor> for something like that
[23:06] <davor> well that *is* pretty cheap
[23:06] <BurtyB> hmm $10 for a pcb .. you must like them big :)
[23:07] <mgottschlag> 10$ for 10 PCBs, you can't order one single prototype for less than that :)
[23:07] <davor> I can make the prototype PCB myself
[23:07] <davor> I'd also need to outsource the soldering jobs
[23:08] <mgottschlag> yeah, that's probably the trickies part
[23:08] <davor> there ought to be businesses that do that around here, provide them with with empty PCBs and components and they give you the finished product
[23:08] <mgottschlag> unless you try to work with a toaster oven and do it yourself
[23:08] <mgottschlag> yeah, but they want you to order 1000+
[23:08] <mgottschlag> or it is going to be expensive
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[23:09] <davor> well we'll see how many interest there is ;)
[23:09] <ReggieUK> checkout ebay
[23:09] <davor> just kidding, there surely won't be that much interest
[23:09] <ReggieUK> I found a couple of places
[23:09] <davor> yeah?
[23:09] <davor> that solder stuff?
[23:09] <ReggieUK> need to investigate a bit more
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[23:09] <davor> or for the components?
[23:09] <mgottschlag> davor: also, seeedstudio seems to do pcb assembly, you could ask them for a quote, probably rather cheap
[23:09] <ReggieUK> but it looked like it
[23:10] <ReggieUK> plenty of chinese resellers offering pcb services
[23:10] <davor> hm, that sounds great. they probably already have all the components I'd need already too
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[23:10] <davor> shipping there and back would probably be somewhat expensive
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[23:11] <davor> heh probably best I make a working prototype before I worry myself with these things :p
[23:11] <ReggieUK> what was it you wanted to make?
[23:11] <davor> wireless GPIO extender board
[23:12] <ReggieUK> bluegiga do a ready to go unit
[23:12] <davor> of a wireless gpio extender board?
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[23:12] <mgottschlag> oh, I completely forgot the LIPO and power supply stuff, that'll be another 3-4$ in parts
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[23:12] <ReggieUK> depending on the type of wireless you're talking about
[23:12] <davor> RF
[23:12] <davor> 2.4 GHz or something
[23:12] <ReggieUK> bluetooth good enough?
[23:12] <davor> I think so
[23:12] <ReggieUK> bluegiga :)
[23:13] <davor> oh, it also doesn't help that I'd like the RPi side communicate with the Pi over I2C :p
[23:13] <ReggieUK> no, that won't help at all
[23:14] <mgottschlag> the bluegiga sounds a bit expensive
[23:14] <mgottschlag> at least the integrated solution
[23:15] <davor> hmm, yeah seems 2-3 times more expensive than what this thingie would be
[23:16] <mgottschlag> well, you'd need to calculate the costs carefully
[23:16] <mgottschlag> I didn't think of the power supply parts
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[23:16] <mgottschlag> and calculated with simple USB power, like the pi
[23:17] <davor> wall adaptor not included! :p
[23:17] <mgottschlag> a liion circuit will be a bit more expensive (actually, the difficult part is finding a supplier for the batteries)
[23:17] <davor> I think I can find a local supplier
[23:17] <ReggieUK> well, the bluegiga is a complete unit in it's own right
[23:18] <ReggieUK> apart from power but it's the bluetooth + gpio onboard + a whole dev environment/api
[23:19] <mgottschlag> yeah, well, there are quite some breakout boards
[23:19] <mgottschlag> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bluegiga-WT12-Breakout-Board-by-EWS-/250855379255?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a68255137
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[23:21] <davor> how much distance could I get with that, approximately?
[23:21] <shafire> wow, this is a big channel
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[23:22] <shafire> I want to stack my rpis, do you know a good method?
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[23:48] <Sonny_Jim> My god, Lua sucks
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