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IRC Log for 2013-10-16

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[0:01] <Bozza> pzp: Reporting in
[0:01] <Bozza> pzp: nice ! :)
[0:02] <pzp> lol
[0:02] <pzp> do you guys know of a nice USB Wifi Dongle I can get for my Pi?
[0:02] <pzp> preferably under $10
[0:02] <Sonny_Jim> I found one at a car boot for £3
[0:02] <pzp> car boot?
[0:02] <Sonny_Jim> Guy was like "Don't you want the box"
[0:02] <Sonny_Jim> Jumble sale
[0:03] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
[0:03] <pzp> ah garage sale
[0:03] <Sonny_Jim> Sure, or swap meets, whatever
[0:03] <Sonny_Jim> Local paper etc
[0:03] <Sonny_Jim> Plenty of people get them free with their ISP or are upgrading so there's normally a few about
[0:04] <Davespice> pzp: this one should work fine for you; http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003MTTJOY
[0:05] <pzp> Davespice: I found this one:http://www.ebay.com/itm/WIFI-150MBPS-WIRELESS-ADAPTOR-802-11-B-G-N-LAN-NETWORK-MINI-USB-DONGLE-ADAPTER-/390551541215?pt=US_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item5aeeaf95df
[0:05] <pzp> is there any spec I should check for?
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[0:06] <Ben64> pzp: www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=8072
[0:06] <Sonny_Jim> Has anyone had any experience with the cheap chinese USB logic analysers you can buy off ebay?
[0:07] <Bozza> pzp: get one that supports injection
[0:07] <pzp> for what?
[0:07] <Davespice> I generally try and go for one with a Realtek RTL8188CUS chipset, as I know there are out of the box drivers for Raspbian, Amazon US also has it http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003MTTJOY
[0:08] <pzp> Davespice: should I go fro any bigger than 150mbs?
[0:08] <Bozza> pzp: if it supports injection it will support everything else usually including access point mode and monitoring mode
[0:08] <pzp> or will i need a powered USB Hub then?
[0:09] <pzp> gtg eat dinner
[0:09] <Davespice> pzp: that is down to how much current the device needs
[0:09] <pzp> be back soon
[0:09] <Bozza> pzp: my stick won't even support AP mode by default
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[0:10] <Bozza> The more features the better right?
[0:10] <steve_rox> sounds like a medical condition
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[1:01] <pzp> btw does NOOBS and BerryBoot serve the same/similar purpose?
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[1:16] <theaftermath> pzp I believe noobs only works on a few os's. And I know that berry boot allows you to boot off of a usb storage device instead of the sd card. Not sure if noobs does since I never used it
[1:16] <pzp> arg why is no one here?
[1:16] <pzp> lol thats funny
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[1:16] <theaftermath> its quiet today
[1:16] <pzp> as soon as i said that you answered
[1:17] <pzp> theaftermath: as far as I can tell it deosnt
[1:17] <pzp> *doesnt
[1:17] <pzp> so you can't use both simultaneously?
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[1:18] <theaftermath> probably not. Maybe you can use berry boot to boot the noobs bootloader but I don't think its recommended
[1:18] <pzp> theaftermath: do you recommend BerryBoot?
[1:18] <pzp> over NOOBS
[1:18] <theaftermath> what do you want to do? they aren't the same thing
[1:19] <pzp> tbh im not too sure
[1:20] <pzp> right now I used NOOBS to get Raspbian up and running
[1:20] <theaftermath> did you just get your pi?
[1:20] <pzp> I just booted it for the first time yesterday
[1:20] <pzp> got it a few weeks ago
[1:21] <theaftermath> noobs is fine for now. that's why its called noobs
[1:21] <theaftermath> berryboot is a little more advanced
[1:21] <pzp> I don't see why I shouldn't use berryboot though
[1:21] <pzp> how hard can it be lol
[1:21] <ozzzy> what's wrong with just putting an image on the card and booting
[1:21] <pzp> and it seems to have a lot more features
[1:22] <pzp> I guess i could do that
[1:22] <theaftermath> welcome to the world of linux. there is usually something else that will do the job.
[1:22] <pzp> but then i dont have a recovery mode do I?
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[1:22] <pzp> theaftermath: lol
[1:22] <ozzzy> what do you want to recover?
[1:22] <theaftermath> i do what ozzy suggested. Makes things simple. KISS principle
[1:23] <pzp> ozzzy: idk if I want too reinstall the operating system
[1:23] <theaftermath> I'm not sure what the recovery mode accomplishes actually in those. maybe repairs the OS if you damage it.
[1:23] <pzp> i had Raspbian on my SD card for a while
[1:23] <ozzzy> pzp: you put a new image on the card
[1:23] <pzp> and then i decided to switch to NOOBS
[1:23] <theaftermath> pzp you just can stick your sd back into your computer and put a fresh image on it
[1:23] <pzp> yeah I guess
[1:23] <theaftermath> you can also make image backups that way
[1:23] <ozzzy> yep
[1:23] <pzp> but then I lose my precious data
[1:23] <ozzzy> so backup your image
[1:24] <theaftermath> that's why you make image backups when you know your system is working well
[1:24] <ozzzy> you should have a backup of your data anyway
[1:24] <pzp> arg im too lazy
[1:24] <theaftermath> well that's not good
[1:24] <pzp> is there some sort of word processor on the Pi
[1:24] <pzp> s/on/for
[1:24] <ozzzy> nano, vi
[1:24] <theaftermath> just about anything that runs on debian runs on the pi
[1:24] <pzp> like Notepad for Microsoft maybe?
[1:24] <pzp> I've never had a Linux computer before
[1:24] <theaftermath> leafpad comes preinstalled. then nano and vi run in the terminal
[1:25] <pzp> so not really sure what'll work on Debian
[1:25] <theaftermath> almost everything
[1:25] <theaftermath> a lot of flavors of linux are based on debian.
[1:25] <ozzzy> just remember that there's not much of a cpu on a pi
[1:25] <pzp> still dont have any internet
[1:25] <theaftermath> plug in an ethernet.
[1:26] <pzp> ozzzy: I am aware
[1:26] <pzp> I think I'm going to use it as a tertiary computer until I find a better use for it
[1:26] <theaftermath> you won't be listening to pandora, writing a paper, and watching youtube at the same time.
[1:26] <pzp> im trying to think of a fun project thats original
[1:26] <theaftermath> whats tertiary?
[1:26] <pzp> third
[1:26] <theaftermath> ahhh
[1:26] <theaftermath> build a robot!
[1:27] <pzp> lol you can't really listen to Pandora and YouTube at the same time on any computer
[1:27] <theaftermath> you have a point
[1:27] <pzp> theaftermath: ORIGINAL
[1:27] <ozzzy> pzp: you can't?
[1:27] <pzp> try it
[1:27] <ozzzy> why not
[1:27] <pzp> you can hear both
[1:27] <pzp> but can you really listen to both?
[1:27] <ozzzy> yep
[1:27] <pzp> you are a very special person ozzzy
[1:28] <theaftermath> pzp how about a robot that uses your dog like a horse.
[1:28] <ozzzy> naw... music doesn't have to be 'listened to'... it just has to be there
[1:28] <pzp> theaftermath: I don't have a dog :(
[1:28] <theaftermath> then it uses you as a horse
[1:28] <pzp> ill pass
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[1:29] <theaftermath> you said original. LOL. are you familiiar with the command line?
[1:29] <pzp> with the Pi, I now own computers running, Mac OS X, Windows, and a Linux distro :)
[1:30] <pzp> theaftermath: I have some knowledge
[1:30] <pzp> not super good at it
[1:30] <theaftermath> ok, well with linux and especially the pi that's what you will probably use a lot
[1:30] * ozzzy can see no real reason to run osx
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[1:30] <theaftermath> a lot of people run the pi headless and just ssh into it or vnc if they have to
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[1:34] <theaftermath> ozzzy me neither. unless your a hipster, whereupon its a requirement
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[2:40] <ponA> hi, i have a php issue, not sure if this is the right place to ask but i think it's worth a try
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[2:42] <ponA> i defined an array $arr = array(1, 2, 3, 4); and i want to echo each array value separated by a comma
[2:42] <Bozza> #php might be a better place to ask
[2:43] <ponA> if i use foreach($arr as $value){echo "$value,"} i get a comma at the end which is bad...
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[2:43] <Triffid_Hunter> ponA: surely PHP has a join() function?
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[2:45] <ponA> hmpf, now i simlified my problem too much :)
[2:46] <ponA> foreach($arr as $value){echo "Hello member $value,"} is the thing i want to do
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[2:47] <ponA> but i need to get rid of the last comma
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[3:01] <Bozza> Is it possible to connect a psp screen to the pi?
[3:03] <pksato> possible is. But, viable, I dont know. this screen have that type of interface?
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[3:06] <SpeedEvil> Bozza: yes, in principle - in practice you need signifciant understanding.
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[3:06] <SpeedEvil> And it's awkward
[3:07] <SpeedEvil> - for the older PSPs with the parallel display interface
[3:07] <Bozza> There would need to be some sort of converter?
[3:08] <Bozza> For the serial interface
[3:08] <taza> Nah, you can have it work with just some clever wiring. Extremely clever wiring.
[3:08] <pksato> lke it? http://dx.com/p/repair-parts-replacement-lcd-module-with-backlight-for-psp-1000-18438
[3:08] <Bozza> It's a shame that it is hard to do SpeedEvil
[3:09] <Bozza> Those old psps are quite cheap these days
[3:09] <Bozza> Especially of
[3:09] <Bozza> if they're broken *
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[3:09] <taza> It's one of those questions where if you need to ask, you aren't skilled enough to do it.
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[3:10] <taza> You don't just take an off-the-shelf converter either, you'll need to build one.
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[3:13] <Bozza> taza: yea I am in no way skilled enough to attach any type of LCD screen through the serialinterface
[3:14] <taza> Anybody can learn it, but it would take months of work. :p
[3:14] <Bozza> Other people have come up with incredible solutions to attach old mobile phone screens to the pi
[3:14] <Bozza> They even wrote their own farm buffers and what not
[3:14] <Bozza> Drivers are like an alien technology to me haha
[3:15] <SpeedEvil> Bozza: I've heard of someone doing it - the general approach was to hook it all up, and then run it via DMA using a custom framebuffer
[3:15] <Bozza> taza: why? You don't happen to have the secret lcd codes? ;£
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[3:15] <taza> Well I've been busy hacking stuff that I need over hacking hobby stuff, so not at the moment.
[3:15] <Bozza> Sounds like a myth SpeedEvil?
[3:16] <taza> It's definitely doable
[3:16] <pksato> cellphone (not smartphone) use a simple serial controled LCD.
[3:16] <SpeedEvil> It's not a particularly involved hack - just annoying
[3:17] <taza> I needed to hack together drivers to repair my computer. Bleugh!
[3:17] <Bozza> pksato: http://youtu.be/sDNxgR5WVMw what's the board this guy uses?
[3:17] <pksato> display used on smartphones, games, tables, monidor are more complex interface.
[3:17] <taza> (To be fair, I just needed to rewrite the install script from a packaged driver to support my hardware.)
[3:18] <Bozza> That link was meant for you SpeedEvil
[3:18] <pksato> A cyclone II FPGA.
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> yeah - that's not what I meant.
[3:19] <Bozza> Ahh ok
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[3:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5npkz0xY1fo
[3:20] <SpeedEvil> (not directly related)
[3:22] <SpeedEvil> I think the same guy was trying to dot he PSP screen though and had some success
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[3:23] <pksato> or. some lcd controller can drive this display.
[3:25] <Bozza> SpeedEvil: that's awesome
[3:25] <Bozza> That guy is a genius
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[3:34] <pksato> usb controller http://www.lcdinfo.com/products/usbd480-lq043.html
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[3:40] <Bozza> Is the main trouble converting serial to parallel ?
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[3:42] <SpeedEvil> The abve technique did not do that - it connected the parallel connections of the display to GPIOs, then configured the DMA unit to write to them in order to refresh
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[3:42] <SpeedEvil> An external HDMI->parallel converter is a near-trivial option
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[3:58] <pksato> http://www.displayalliance.com/storage/1-spec-sheets/LQ043T1DG02.pdf
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[4:14] <pksato> 4
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[4:23] <ParkerR> Wow the Pi got much better at a pseudo desktop experience. Bought another class 10 card (lost my original) and X is running surprisingly well and applications are pretty snappy. Even midori wasnt bad
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[4:29] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5081
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[5:21] <steve_rox> too quiet
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[5:28] <andreiiar> You fall in love, zing boom
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[5:54] <ParkerR> Using the ;astest omxplayer from http://omxplayer.sconde.net/ I cannot cotrol the volume when it is outputting to hdmi. + and - control it but it doesnt actually do anythng
[5:54] <ParkerR> *latest
[5:54] <ParkerR> Any ideas on why it wouldnt be?
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[10:08] <Vialas> im having issues installing node-libxml
[10:08] <Vialas> i get the following error http://www.pastebucket.com/21804
[10:08] <Vialas> can someone please help
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[10:14] <AHammar> Vialas, it seems that you are missing some library to compile libxml. Have you installed "libxml2-dev" ?
[10:15] <AHammar> If not try "sudo apt-get install libxml2-dev" and try again. I think it is needed
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[10:15] <Vialas> yea i did that
[10:15] <Vialas> apparently its already installed :(
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[10:16] <Vialas> AHammar : "libxml2-dev is already the newest version."
[10:16] <Vialas> :(
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[10:19] <AHammar> Hmm, then I'm clueless :s
[10:20] <Vialas> oh :(
[10:20] <Vialas> far out AHammar i have had zero luck with installing this stuff
[10:20] <Vialas> its very frustrating
[10:20] <Vialas> but thanks for your help mate
[10:20] <Vialas> i appreciate it
[10:20] <Vialas> you had a go which is a lot more than others
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[10:21] <AHammar> Np
[10:21] <Vialas> :)
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[10:26] <Coffe> have you tesed the suggestion in the error message ?
[10:28] <Vialas> what would that be?
[10:28] <Coffe> npm owner ls libxml
[10:29] <Vialas> right……
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[11:23] <gazzwi86> I was wondering if anyone could point me toward a good electronics case. I'm looking for something I could travel with and keep soldering iron, multimeter, resistors, RPi etc all inside.
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[11:47] <Davespice> gazzwi86: do you want it to be one of those flight cases with slotted foam?
[11:47] <gazzwi86> Davespice: just looking at options, no real preference at the moment
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[11:48] <Ben64> foam padded cases are pretty leet
[11:48] <Davespice> I find a normal laptop bag is pretty okay, plenty of pockets and compartments
[11:48] <Ben64> cut out sections for pi, soldering iron, solder, etc
[11:48] <Ben64> and underneath a small gun
[11:48] <Davespice> heat gun right? :)
[11:49] <Ben64> uh sure
[11:49] <Ben64> i was thinking airsoft, but whatever
[11:50] <Davespice> anyway, yeah you can easily make your own slots if you just get a flight case
[11:50] <Davespice> all you need is a scalpel
[11:50] <ShorTie> a nice motor home could carrt it all around in style
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[12:05] <Ascavasaion> Hello all. I am trying to install XBMC onto my Raspberry Pi. I have done http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC and keep getting dependency problems. Is there no way to add it simply with an apt-get install?
[12:06] <Davespice> Ascavasaion: do you really want to compile it yourself? there are some pre built image files that you can just download, burn onto an SD card and off you go?
[12:07] <Davespice> see here; www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
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[12:07] <Davespice> then you need to use dd or Win32DiskImager to burn them to your SD card, pop that into the Pi and XBMC will boot up
[12:08] <Ascavasaion> Davespice: Okay, cool. But I do not have an SD card reader. Could I use my digital camera as a SD reader?
[12:08] <Davespice> oh I see
[12:08] <Davespice> possibly... might be worth a try, although I am not sure if the camera implements low level disk writing
[12:09] <Ascavasaion> Hmmm, okay.
[12:09] <Davespice> are you on windows, mac or linux?
[12:09] <Ascavasaion> Davespice: Linux.
[12:09] <Davespice> okay, so when you connect the camera does it have a device in /dev ?
[12:09] <Ascavasaion> Let me see.
[12:11] <Ascavasaion> Davespice: how would I check if it has an entry in /dev/?
[12:12] <Davespice> Ascavasaion: if you're planning to do a lot with your Pi then I would reccomend getting hold of some way to read and write SD cards, you can get USB readers pretty cheap
[12:12] <Ascavasaion> Davespice: lsusb shows it
[12:12] <Ascavasaion> Davespice: Aaaah, okay.
[12:12] <Davespice> the Pi is designed so that you can easily reset the OS to a vanilla state
[12:13] <Davespice> simply by reburning the SD card
[12:13] <Davespice> so say you do something and you really mess up everything, it doesn't matter because you just have to reburn the SD card and start again
[12:13] <Davespice> so you can then experiment without fear of breaking stuff
[12:13] <Ascavasaion> This Pi seems a bit advanced for my old brain.
[12:13] <Davespice> think of it like the BBC master
[12:13] <Davespice> if you needed to reset that to vaninlla its just a reboot
[12:14] <Davespice> but with the Pi, you just wipe the SD card and put clean data on
[12:14] <Ascavasaion> Davespice: Thinking more of the chuck it out thing, or give it to someone with a brain for this stuff.
[12:15] <Davespice> up to you, bit give yourself some credit, and give yourself time to learn too
[12:15] <Davespice> but*
[12:15] <Davespice> okay, so lets see, about trying your camera
[12:15] <Davespice> are you on ubuntu?
[12:15] <Ascavasaion> Davespice: I have battled for days on end just to install XBMC follwing the Howto, and I got nowhere.
[12:15] <Ascavasaion> Davespice: Yes.
[12:15] <Davespice> yeah, its a shame you went down that road because those instructions are quite old
[12:16] <Davespice> and there was an easier option open to you
[12:16] <Davespice> okay so bring up the file browser
[12:16] <Davespice> and navigate to your camera file system
[12:16] <Davespice> it should say in /dev/something in the title bar of the window, if I remember correctly
[12:17] <Ascavasaion> gphoto2://[usb:001,004]/store_00020001
[12:18] <Davespice> hmm
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[12:18] <Davespice> the problem I see here is that if the camera doesn't implement low level disk writing, which I doubt it does, then we could zombify your sd card
[12:18] <Davespice> and then you're left without being able to use your Pi at all
[12:19] <Ascavasaion> Pi is useless to me as it is anyway.
[12:19] <Davespice> okay, right
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[12:19] <Davespice> do you have GParted actually?
[12:19] <Ascavasaion> Bought a Pi Dongle called a WiPi, and the thing crashed the Pi... someone told me the thing does not have enough power to run the Wifi Dongle. So why sell it without telling idiots like me that?
[12:20] <Davespice> I can speak for them I'm afraid, I tend to reccomend the Edimax Nano dongle myself
[12:20] <Vialas> my dongle works fine
[12:20] <Davespice> I can't speak for them*
[12:20] <Ascavasaion> Vialas: Lucky you :)
[12:21] <Davespice> Ascavasaion: I will private message you
[12:21] <Ascavasaion> Davespice: Okay
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[12:21] <ShadowJK> Most everything will crash pi if you plug it in while pi is running
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[12:23] <ShorTie> keyboard, mouse and/or a usb hub is about all you should plug into rPi
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[12:27] <Ascavasaion> Maybe Raspberry Pi should be renamed to Cow Pie :)
[12:28] <ShorTie> ah be nice
[12:28] <Ascavasaion> hehehe
[12:28] <ShorTie> they are a learning tool not a super computer
[12:28] <Ascavasaion> Toodeloos all... think I wasted money on this Pi idea. It sounded promising, but has turned out to be a bit of a flop.
[12:28] <Ascavasaion> Kepp well all,
[12:28] <Ascavasaion> bye.
[12:28] <Ascavasaion> Keep
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[12:30] <Engen> Was thinking of getting a Raspberry Pi, and asked a friend if he knew anything about em. He said they're total rubbish and said get a Beaglebone :/ Beaglebone has a bit more grunt but that's all I can tell really...
[12:30] <Davespice> hi Engen
[12:30] <Davespice> its down to opinion
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[12:30] <Davespice> and it depends what you want to do
[12:31] <Davespice> the Pi wasn't made with the goal of being the best single board computer in the world
[12:31] <ShorTie> whelp, at 25% more in cost i would hope it does more
[12:31] <Davespice> it was made with a view to being as cheap as possible, but also with a good range of features that people can get their teeth into
[12:31] <Davespice> I for one think the GPU on the Raspberry Pi is better than the Beaglebone
[12:32] <Davespice> thw whole "which is better" argument is a bit of mute point anyway
[12:33] <Davespice> the good thing about a Pi is that there is a really strong community surrounding it, and its easily to get help and support for things you're trying to do
[12:34] <Engen> Seen some of the home automation done with Pi's on youtube, fantastic stuff I say.
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[12:35] <ShadowJK> I think one of the big advantages of rpi is all the readymade OS images
[12:36] <ShadowJK> And due to its popularty, the lage amount of easy to follow instructions and docs out there
[12:36] <ShadowJK> As for interfacing with lots of random hw and such, the pi is worse
[12:37] <ShadowJK> Not that many gpio pins
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[12:39] <Davespice> yeah thats true
[12:39] <Davespice> the Pi is designed to be easily reset to vanilla
[12:39] <Davespice> which is important for Education I think
[12:40] <Davespice> then people are free to muck about with everything without fear of breaking it permanently
[12:40] <Davespice> well, breaking the software anyway
[12:40] <[Saint]> One of the very few cases in hardware where formatting it *will* fix all the problems. :)
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[12:41] <Davespice> so yeah
[12:41] <Davespice> all the kids in here, if you haven't got a Pi already pester your parents for one for Christmas
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[12:42] <Davespice> one thing you have to remember though is that the Pi is not an appliance computer, like a smart phone or tablet where no knoweldge is required to use it
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[12:42] <ShadowJK> There are lots of boards with superior CPUs, memory, and interfaces, at same sub-$100 price level, but then you spend a week fighting with outdated and incomplete sd images, one image supporting spi but not i2c, another supporting i2c but not spi, etc
[12:42] <Davespice> with the Pi you do need to possess the knowledge required to use it
[12:43] <Davespice> and sometimes when people run into problems they get angry and irate because they're thinking about the Pi as though it was an appliance computer
[12:43] <Davespice> but its not, you need to give yourself time to learn
[12:44] <Davespice> the whole point of the Pi is that it kind of forces you to acquire new knowledge
[12:44] <Davespice> its almost like stealth learning
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[12:44] <[Saint]> Its a con!
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[12:45] <ShadowJK> Well also the capacitor next to the usb ports should be something like 270uF per port, so one of those aluminium cans that's next to the microusb port should sit near usbport 1 and 2 :P
[12:45] <ShadowJK> then hotplugging usb devices wouldn't cause resets as easily
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[12:45] <Davespice> yeah, there are plenty of hardware criticisms out there
[12:46] <Davespice> just remember every single thing on the board was argued over thoroughly with a view to making the price point
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[12:47] <Davespice> [Saint] a con you say? that’s a little slanderous don't you think? care to elaborate?
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[12:47] <TLoFP1> hi guys
[12:48] <TLoFP1> I keep getting a broken pipe, after some hours of streaming video from Pi to Pi
[12:48] <[Saint]> ...I knew I should've included some form of smiley to indicate humorous intent.
[12:48] <TLoFP1> the pie I am streaming from is on wifi
[12:48] <Davespice> oh sorry :)
[12:48] <TLoFP1> is this raspivid related? or is it as simple as the wifi breaking?
[12:48] <TLoFP1> the interesting thing is, after my streaming pipe breaks... I can not ssh into the pi anymore
[12:48] <TLoFP1> i have to restart it
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[12:49] <Davespice> sounds like a memory leak hey?
[12:49] <ShorTie> it seems you need a keep alive script for the wifi to stay active
[12:49] <Davespice> TLoFP1: when you start the streaming can you run the top command on the Pi and see if the memory allocation to the video process just keeps growing and growing?
[12:50] <Davespice> could also be a wifi problem yes
[12:51] <ShorTie> or it is more of a auto-reconnect if no ping script
[12:51] <TLoFP1> wow thanks guys
[12:51] <TLoFP1> it seems it might be a leak
[12:52] <TLoFP1> CPU is at 3.3 percent
[12:52] <TLoFP1> mem started at 3.3 is now at 4.9
[12:52] <TLoFP1> lets see .... maybe I spoke to early, seems stagnent now
[12:52] <Davespice> yeah its worth it to check if the memory is leaking, but you'll need to observe it for a while to be sure
[12:53] <TLoFP1> yea true
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[12:53] <Davespice> are you using gstreamer?
[12:53] <TLoFP1> Davespice: I am yes
[12:53] <TLoFP1> it works fine
[12:53] <ShorTie> TLoFP1, this might help maybe https://gist.github.com/roflmao/5293963
[12:54] <Davespice> okay, raspivid should be okay, watch the gst-launch-1.00 process
[12:54] <TLoFP1> exscept when it gets cold outside there are artifacts in the video
[12:54] <ShadowJK> shift-M: sort by memory use
[12:54] <TLoFP1> whcih are observed on cold start and go away after the pi had time to warm up
[12:54] <TLoFP1> very strange
[12:54] <Davespice> interesting
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[12:55] <TLoFP1> mhh, ill try the scrip as well
[12:55] <ShadowJK> Yes, very interesting..
[12:55] <TLoFP1> seems strage to me that id need a keep alive script when the wifi is constantly streaming
[12:55] <ShadowJK> I've got a pi in a cellar to record how cold it'll get this winter
[12:56] <TLoFP1> ShadowJK: it could either be the GPU or more likely the camera board itself acting up
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[12:56] <Davespice> yeah, this is why I am leaning towards the memory leak, but I can't be cetain
[12:56] <TLoFP1> I will monitor and investigate both direction
[12:57] <TLoFP1> I am happy to report though that aside from the aformentioned problems
[12:57] <ShadowJK> Many of my wifi devices, and access points, seem to have a tendency to wedge themselves for no apparent reason
[12:57] <TLoFP1> I have reliable low latency streaming working from pi to pi
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[12:58] <TLoFP1> with the work done by the GPU on both ends
[12:58] <Bellagio> https://raymii.org/s/static/Free_Raspberry_Pi.html
[12:59] <Davespice> Bellagio: yeah I saw that, I voted for the Brazil one
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[14:22] <quetzakubica> Guys can you look at my app performance here http://46.171.50.94:8090 . It's django on gunicorn and nginx, deployed on RaspberryPi. Problem is that it takes 7s to load single html page. View is doing almost nothing. Debug toolbar is ON so you can check. In dev tools network panel you can see that waiting for response time is lot higher than CPU time. I have no idea why is this happening. On my local machine everything works fast.
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[14:36] <Coffe> check memory usage
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[14:40] <andreiiar> What is that? Does it hack my box?
[14:41] <quetzakubica> Coffe: few % is used, same with CPU
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[15:13] <bluesm_> Plugin the 1Amp power source to Model "B" is perfectly ok Right ?
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[15:15] <zaggynl> hi, anyone here knows how to start a jnlp file over rdp?
[15:15] <zaggynl> I keep getting a headlessexception
[15:15] <shiftplusone> bluesm_, aye
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[15:16] <bluesm_> shiftplusone: What would be a difference if I plug 0,7 Amp or 1.2 Amp ?
[15:16] <bluesm_> shiftplusone: Stability of current ?
[15:17] <pksato> works and not works?
[15:17] <shiftplusone> bluesm_, if the label is accurate, no difference at all.
[15:18] <shiftplusone> you may run into trouble with the 0.7A supply if you plug in power hungry usb devices... but you would run into trouble with the 1.2A supply as well, maybe a little less though.
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[15:20] <shiftplusone> bluesm_, the current rating only tells you how much current the supply is capable of providing. Since the pi should not be using 0.7A, you wouldn't be exceeding the rating for either supplies. However, there is a polyfuse on the board and trips somewhere between 0.7 A and 1 A, so if you use the 1.2A supply, that doesn't mean you'll be able to draw more than 0.7A. If that made any sense...
[15:21] <shiftplusone> grr... my vps is getting a hammering from the bots today... I don't like it. >=/
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[15:25] <shiftplusone> Well, the idiot behind it wasn't too hard to track down. Brad Burnie 15 Johnson Cres Georgetown, ON L7G 6A4 Canada >=/
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[15:31] <shiftplusone> or his serge was compromised and is part of a botnet, in which case, he's still a jerk
[15:32] <zaggynl> Anyone here using javaws? I keep running into headlessExceptions
[15:32] <shiftplusone> *server
[15:32] <shiftplusone> zaggynl, maybe best to ask in a java channel
[15:32] <zaggynl> alrighty
[15:32] <shiftplusone> I suppose that's where all the java devs would've fled.
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[15:34] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: I recommend mailing him something icky
[15:34] <ShadowJK> quetzakubica; I'd check 'wa' column in output of 'vmstat 1' as a page is being loaded
[15:34] <shiftplusone> Oh, his email is getting some interesting subscriptions, yes.
[15:35] <ShadowJK> us/sy/id/wa user cpu time, system cpu time, idle, waiting for io
[15:35] <shiftplusone> Oh, you mean his actual address >_<
[15:35] <shiftplusone> Nuh, the postage fee is not worth it.
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[15:37] <quetzakubica> ShadowJK: it was 0, but after page load few rows were around 80
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[15:37] <quetzakubica> ShadowJK: what this wa means?
[15:37] <zaggynl> welp, no joy
[15:38] <zaggynl> alternatives go
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[15:38] <ShadowJK> quetzakubica; cpu is idle waiting for SD
[15:38] <ShadowJK> us/sy is cpu use
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[15:39] <quetzakubica> I thought that. Found it out few minutes ago
[15:39] <quetzakubica> that my sd card is slow
[15:39] <quetzakubica> it's not original from Rpi
[15:39] <ShadowJK> databases, if your pages use mysql or similar, tend to be extremely slow on SD cards
[15:40] <quetzakubica> ShadowJK: I have turned off every queries, and it still was 5s
[15:40] <quetzakubica> waiting for response
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[15:40] <quetzakubica> I'm not reading much from db, just saving
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[15:41] <quetzakubica> anyway
[15:41] <ShadowJK> Yeah, reads are almost free
[15:41] <ShadowJK> saves are 1-5 each worst case
[15:42] <quetzakubica> wa: Time spent waiting for IO.
[15:42] <quetzakubica> in ms?
[15:42] <ShadowJK> percentage..
[15:43] <ShadowJK> and since it updates once every second, I guess if you add a 0 it becomes ms
[15:44] <quetzakubica> omg, that's it
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[15:44] <quetzakubica> ShadowJK: big thanks, I was fighting with it since yesterday
[15:44] <quetzakubica> first I thought it's nginx or gunicorn misconfigured
[15:44] <ShadowJK> it's kinda funny, if you want to be sure of getting a good SD card, you'll be paying as much as for the pi itself :D
[15:44] <quetzakubica> and I lost ton of time there
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[15:45] <coldjack> hi can anybody help me. i change my settings on my pi to a static ip
[15:45] <coldjack> and now i have no connection to the network
[15:45] <coldjack> Network is unreachable
[15:46] <ShadowJK> you probably missing default gateway?
[15:49] <coldjack> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/307683b97c4d0ab0249a
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[15:50] <coldjack> do you see any missings?
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[15:52] <pksato> 192.168.1.1 is ip of you router? can ping it?
[15:53] <coldjack> yes
[15:54] <ShadowJK> output of "route" command?
[15:54] <coldjack> Ziel Router Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
[15:54] <coldjack> 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
[15:54] <coldjack> ah sorry i can paste it
[15:54] <coldjack> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f998dfab477fb31625e7
[15:55] <atouk> compare with mine http://pastebin.com/5rUgAzHa
[15:57] <pksato> coldjack: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; route -n | grep ^0
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[16:00] <ShadowJK> does adress work as well as address?
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[16:04] <coldjack> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e792ccabea18680bafc7
[16:05] <bluesm_> shiftplusone: So Pi not to much because "polyfuse" works only with current not more than 1,2 Amp, not to low because 0.7 could be not enough to power the PI and the mouse/keyboard ?
[16:05] <pksato> coldjack: sudo ifup eth0
[16:05] <shiftplusone> bluesm_, I am having trouble parsing the question.
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[16:07] <bluesm_> shiftplusone: Sorry
[16:07] <shiftplusone> Nothing to be sorry about, heh. Just re-phrase it.
[16:08] <coldjack> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/66fc5657c143e243907f
[16:09] <pksato> Its like translated text. :)
[16:09] <bluesm_> shiftplusone: So the "polyfuse" works between 0.7 and 1.2 Amp ? And therefore too low power means I will be not able to power Raspberry pi and mouse and keyboard with 0.7. And with 1.2 Amp I will destroy the "polyfuse" ?
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[16:10] <shiftplusone> bluesm_, nuh, that's not how it works.
[16:10] <atouk> no. the power supply amp rating is the MAX it can produce. not what it will force teh pi to use
[16:10] <pksato> coldjack: you configured eth0 with static ip on /etc/networks/interfaces like you pasted code?
[16:11] <atouk> pi will deay whatever it needs. the amp rating olnly serves as an indicator of how much of that need it can supply
[16:11] <shiftplusone> bluesm_, the polyfuse is there to protect the pi from devices which draw too much power, which may potentially damage the pi. You can use a 20A supply, if you can find one, that doesn't matter, the pi will only take as much as it needs.
[16:13] <pksato> coldjack: and, missing auto eth0
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[16:14] <bluesm_> shiftplusone: So what will be wrong if you plu 20 Amp power source ? Nothing ?
[16:15] <shiftplusone> bluesm_, nothing at all.
[16:15] <shiftplusone> but good luck finding one.
[16:16] <ShadowJK> coldjack; "address", noy "adress"
[16:16] <ShadowJK> not
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[16:17] <bluesm_> shiftplusone: So why on the Guide there is information : "This product shall only be connected to an external power supply rated ad 5V dc, and a maximuum current of 500-700mA for Model A and 700-1200mA for Model B.
[16:18] <ShadowJK> so the minimum is 700-1200
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[16:18] <atouk> think of it this way, normal house service can be 200 amp. but if you put a 20 watt bulb on it, it only draws what it needs (1.6 amps @ 12v) not 200 amps
[16:18] <bluesm_> shiftplusone: They use word "maximum"
[16:18] <atouk> (120v)
[16:19] <shiftplusone> bluesm_, it means that they recommend that you get a supply that can provide a current within those ranges.
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[16:19] <shiftplusone> bluesm_, (at least)
[16:21] <bluesm_> shiftplusone: Ok. Thank you very very much for your time :)
[16:21] <shiftplusone> np
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[17:23] <roidelapluie> hello
[17:23] <roidelapluie> I have booted openelec on my raspberry pi
[17:23] <roidelapluie> but there is no 22 or 80 or 8080 port open
[17:23] <roidelapluie> and I have no keyboard
[17:23] <roidelapluie> any idea of how I can connect to it?
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[17:25] <quetzakubica> Guys I've made image of my sd card with rasbian. But Image has almost 16GB, while files takes only 4GB. How can I make smaller image?
[17:26] <shiftplusone> There are no good practical ways. The simplest is to take a tar.gz backup of everything.
[17:27] <shiftplusone> Possibly clonezilla if you don't mind rebooting and using a livecd
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[17:32] <chris_99> quetzakubica, theres a little trick you can do, if you fancy re-imaging it. Create a file, full of zeros, as big as possible on the RPi. (You can then delete it) Then take an image. Then compress the image.
[17:32] <chris_99> or just do what shiftplusone said, which makse more sense
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[17:33] <quetzakubica> if I backup everything, what then?
[17:33] <shiftplusone> Then you have a backup of everything. What do you mean? How to recover?
[17:34] <quetzakubica> I should install new rasbian on every sd card and just overwrite files?
[17:34] <shiftplusone> ah
[17:34] <shiftplusone> no
[17:34] <shiftplusone> you can also make a backup of the partition table and extract the files on the card after mounting the partitions
[17:34] <shiftplusone> I'd make a script to automate a backup and recovery of a card.
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[17:35] <quetzakubica> I have now configured Rasbian on SD card 16GB which takes 4GB. I would like to copy that Rasbian onto new SD cards with 8GB.
[17:37] <shiftplusone> If you have to ask how, then it may be too much hassle for you. You understand the problem and you understand what you need to do. There are many ways to go about it, so pick whichever suits you and go from there.
[17:37] <shiftplusone> you can shrink the partition, take a backup of both partitions and the partition table, then restore those.
[17:37] <shiftplusone> you can forget that and copy the partition table across and then copy the files onto the partitions.
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[17:56] <steve_rox> anyone have any experence with the pir motion sensors?
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[18:02] <Davespice> I've done a bit with them
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[18:03] <coldjack> hello i#m here again
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[18:03] <coldjack> sorry my internetconnection is bad:(
[18:03] <Davespice> steve_rox: some stuff on my blog about using them to make a halloween scarer; http://blogs.arcsoftwareconsultancy.com/pi/
[18:03] <steve_rox> well its just ive wired one up and exec a example python script but its not detecting anything
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[18:03] <coldjack> what can be wrong, if i cannot login with ssh on my raspberry?
[18:03] <coldjack> i have port fortwaring activte
[18:03] <Davespice> steve_rox: have a look at the python on my blog, see if thats any help
[18:03] <steve_rox> i dont know if i have faulty sensors or what
[18:04] <steve_rox> do you have a address since i have no idea where that is
[18:04] <Davespice> I just linked it a few posts back
[18:04] <Davespice> at 17:03:11
[18:04] <steve_rox> err
[18:04] <steve_rox> this may take time time
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[18:05] <Davespice> http://blogs.arcsoftwareconsultancy.com/pi/
[18:05] <steve_rox> thanks
[18:05] <steve_rox> this irssi client is not the best for searching
[18:05] <steve_rox> think this was one of the pages i used
[18:06] <Davespice> you might also want to check the settings on the potentiometers, assuming you have those
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[18:07] <steve_rox> well as a last chance i did mess with them a bit and got nothing
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[18:07] <steve_rox> there is a jumper on the board too but i have no idea what that is
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[18:08] <steve_rox> maybe i should jump it over and hope for the bes
[18:08] <steve_rox> t
[18:09] <Davespice> I can give you a simpler version of the code on my blog if thats any help?
[18:09] <steve_rox> errrr
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[18:09] <steve_rox> maybe
[18:09] <steve_rox> i just need something that will prove if its working or not
[18:09] <Davespice> well, the problem I have is I don't know what you've done
[18:10] <steve_rox> i think im on gpio4
[18:10] <steve_rox> next to it says 7 tho
[18:10] <steve_rox> this diagram gets confuseing somewhat
[18:10] <Davespice> its different numbering schemes
[18:10] <Davespice> if you count horizontally from the top, the pin in my blog post is number 7
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[18:10] <Davespice> 1,2 = first row, 3,4 = second row etc
[18:11] <Davespice> so did you download and save pirDetect.py?
[18:11] <steve_rox> maybe the test code im using is trying to use another pin
[18:11] <steve_rox> errr
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[18:12] <steve_rox> yeah i have a copy of it
[18:12] <Davespice> the example on my blog asks you to first copy and paste some code into a file called pirDetect.py
[18:12] <steve_rox> yeah i have that ready
[18:13] <Davespice> okay cool, then in another file called scare.py you include the file with the line "from pirDetect import *"
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[18:13] <Davespice> have you got that?
[18:13] <steve_rox> err not yet
[18:14] <Syliss> mmm ospf doughnut
[18:15] <steve_rox> file created
[18:15] <coldjack> if i use the command ifconfig
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[18:15] <coldjack> my eth0 has no ip
[18:15] <coldjack> how can i fix that?
[18:16] <steve_rox> plug in the eathernet cable
[18:16] <Davespice> steve_rox: see private message
[18:16] <coldjack> it is
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[18:16] <steve_rox> i dont know how to access pm on this client :-o
[18:16] <steve_rox> however
[18:16] <steve_rox> ive done the chkmod bit and exec the main thing
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[18:16] <steve_rox> its now displaying gpio 7 is high low etc
[18:17] <steve_rox> interesting
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[18:17] <steve_rox> perhaps its working
[18:17] <Davespice> thats it, so its working
[18:17] <Davespice> if you keep still...it should go low
[18:17] <steve_rox> correct
[18:18] <Davespice> if you then wave it should go high and stay high if you keep on waving
[18:18] <steve_rox> pitty this board dident have a led on it to display its working eh
[18:18] <Davespice> sounds like you're good
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[18:19] <steve_rox> thanks for your guideance
[18:19] <steve_rox> i just needed to see if it worked
[18:19] <steve_rox> before i got onto the ebay seller makeing myself look like a fool even more so
[18:21] <steve_rox> the other pir example script i was trying dident want to work so it seems
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[18:24] <Davespice> okay so the next thing to do is define a function called onMotion and put everything in there that you want to happen when motion is detected
[18:25] <Davespice> the blog explains it, that is actually called when it goes from low to high and from high to low
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[18:25] <Davespice> so you need to test the currState variable, if its True that means High
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[18:26] <steve_rox> now i know it works ill screw around with some python code and try make it do something
[18:27] <steve_rox> was trying to see if the sensor was working or at least drawing something with a meter but its not sensitive enough
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[18:28] <Davespice> ah okay, is that even with the sensitivity potentiomenter turned up to max?
[18:29] <steve_rox> its not labled which side is sensitivity or timer
[18:29] <steve_rox> so i dont know
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[18:29] <Davespice> ah :/
[18:29] <Davespice> so I presume it's not the Tandy one then?
[18:29] <steve_rox> yeah this one was werid
[18:29] <Davespice> my one had Sx and Tx
[18:29] <steve_rox> the pins were not labled in the way in the pic
[18:29] <Davespice> printed on the pcb
[18:30] <steve_rox> i lifted the gray orb thing off and it was under on the other side
[18:30] <steve_rox> as for this jumper on the board i have no idea what that does
[18:30] <steve_rox> some versions have it and some dont
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[18:34] <Davespice> ah okay, so I suggest to have time on min and sensitivity on max
[18:34] <Davespice> it should be able to get you from quite far away
[18:34] <Davespice> I did some tests and it could see me from about 4 meters away
[18:35] <Davespice> but placing the sensor is really the crux of it
[18:35] <steve_rox> the page said 7 meter but probly depends on enviroment
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[18:38] <steve_rox> interesting this client has made no indication of pm recieved
[18:38] <Davespice> is a terminal one?
[18:39] <steve_rox> yeah
[18:39] <steve_rox> that irssi thing
[18:39] <Davespice> I wonder if there is a key combination for it
[18:39] <Davespice> anyone here know?
[18:39] <steve_rox> if there is i dont know it heh
[18:39] <steve_rox> its not important i can probly dig it up somewhere
[18:39] <steve_rox> maybe
[18:40] <Phosie> Alt + right
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[18:40] <Phosie> Its just in a new window
[18:40] <steve_rox> ahhh thankyou
[18:41] <Phosie> But yes, very little indication of pm received except for the little number in the corner
[18:42] <steve_rox> i previously used mirc haha
[18:42] <steve_rox> so this is a little different
[18:43] <Phosie> I've used irssi for about a year.
[18:43] <steve_rox> i cant appear to reply to the pm
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[18:56] <cippaciong> I thik you have some problems with your torrent tracker, I'm seeding archlinuxarm rpi img but since some days ago I've been experiencing this error
[18:56] <cippaciong> archlinux-hf-2013-07-22.img.zip Tracker error: "Tracker gave HTTP response code 503 (Service Unavailable)" (torrent.c:582)
[18:57] <cippaciong> tracker is http://downloads.raspberrypi.org:6969
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[19:59] <steve_rox> think i figured out why that previous pir sensor script did not work
[19:59] <steve_rox> the gpio number format was differnt
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[20:12] <kaszynek> I have problem with my rasp (with debian). I'm not able to login. After I see welcome message bash/sh dies and I'm back at the login prompt. It started from crash during "dpkg-reconfigure locales" :/
[20:12] <kaszynek> And I have the same on qemu
[20:13] <kaszynek> So I'm able to edit files frin the host and not able to do anything else
[20:13] <kaszynek> from*
[20:14] <steve_rox> you corrupt something?
[20:14] <kaszynek> Probably not. It crashed during locale change
[20:14] <kaszynek> and that could corrupt something
[20:15] <steve_rox> ive never done that but i think i read it can seriously break something
[20:15] <steve_rox> run fsck on it?
[20:16] <kaszynek> It's clean
[20:16] <steve_rox> im not sure how to repair that
[20:18] <kaszynek> Shouldn't there be any log from login?
[20:18] <steve_rox> you did tell it to check all partitions?
[20:18] <steve_rox> erm im not sure
[20:18] <steve_rox> maybe
[20:18] <kaszynek> just second partition
[20:21] <kaszynek> how can I open fresh raspbian image? I mean the ext4 partition in it
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[20:22] <steve_rox> you may have to restore from backup , may be simplier
[20:22] <kaszynek> Can I mount it somehow?
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[20:22] <steve_rox> i once inserted a usb card reader into my first rpi and read the sd thu that
[20:24] <taza> kaszynek: Mounting it isn't very tricky
[20:24] <taza> Just google for "mounting disk image"
[20:24] <taza> Also try ignoring steve_rox
[20:25] <steve_rox> charming
[20:25] <taza> Simply speaking, you're giving horrible advice here.
[20:25] <steve_rox> well i was only going by what ive learnt so far
[20:25] <steve_rox> its hell when no one will help you
[20:26] <taza> Sometimes it's better to admit you don't know the answer.
[20:26] <steve_rox> even knowing the answer knows the question
[20:26] <steve_rox> sorry im bored :-P
[20:26] <kaszynek> Ok, I see. I have to use parted to read partition table
[20:28] <steve_rox> just hope you can fix it
[20:28] <taza> I'm trying to figure out what broke here.
[20:28] <steve_rox> crash during config i think
[20:28] <taza> ...
[20:28] <Bozza> Who knows a lot about wifi sticks?
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[20:29] <taza> kaszynek: Try editing /etc/default/locale and /etc/locale.gen
[20:30] <taza> Also check /etc/profile, and the user folder for files that would be affected
[20:31] <taza> ... as a scientific WAG, I'd guess it's trying to load something that doesn't exist, so you need to revert the changes it made.
[20:31] <taza> Or set them to whatever the fresh image has.
[20:32] <taza> Unpacking the Raspbian image to a SD card and then mounting the partition there is a known working way of reading the insides of the image. There are other ways, but I'm not feeling well enough to remember how to do those.
[20:33] <taza> I remember it isn't that hard... but I can't remember much else.
[20:33] <kaszynek> I have mounted my backup already
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[20:33] <kaszynek> I was using dd to extract ext4 partition and after that I was able to normally mount it
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[20:36] <kaszynek> still the same :/ after copying /etc/default/local /etc/locale.gen and /etc/profile
[20:37] <taza> Well, check your user folder, too.
[20:38] <shiftplusone> Bozza, those sort of questions generally get ignored, even by people that may be able to help. The other day a guy was looking for archlinux experts, but his problem had nothing to do with archlinux and he could've had an answer sooner if he just asked the question.
[20:39] <kaszynek> It's not a problem. I've been trying to login as root user through ssh and the behavior was the same :/
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[20:40] <kaszynek> I will try to replace etc and home with old one and check what will happen
[20:40] <taza> I'm trying to remember if there's any way to run commands when you can't log in.
[20:40] <Bozza> shiftplusone: no worries.. I am looking for an answer somewhere else... TP-Link TL-WN722N seems to come with three different chipsets. I don't know how to tell which one is the correct version
[20:41] <kaszynek> Also i was trying to change bash to sh
[20:41] <shiftplusone> Bozza, fair enough.
[20:41] <kaszynek> And I'm getting welcome message, so its something after welcome message is generated
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[20:42] <taza> kaszynek: Checked /etc/passwd in that case? (I think it
[20:42] <taza> I think it's /etc/passwd anyway
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[20:45] <kaszynek> Probably it will be easier to do fresh install :?
[20:45] <taza> Yeah, that's not unlikely.
[20:46] <taza> I mean, you'd be restoring to a point where the system worked, then figuring out what went wrong.
[20:46] <taza> But, I figure changing bash to sh is also a possibility for what went wrong
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[20:51] <kaszynek> It seems that it's not /etc and I'm checking right now /home
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[20:52] <kaszynek> Not home
[20:52] <taza> For passwd?
[20:52] <taza> Must be one of the other systems, then
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[20:53] <taza> ... yeaaah, this is going to deep wizardry now
[20:53] <kaszynek> What other files does locale have?
[20:53] <taza> ... I'm gonna ask you a question now. HOW were you changing bash to sh?
[20:54] <kaszynek> Or maybe that is not locale :/
[20:54] <kaszynek> I've been changing that after
[20:54] <kaszynek> to check if this is problem with bash
[20:54] <taza> ... and how did you do it?
[20:54] <kaszynek> in /etc/passwd
[20:54] <taza> Didja change it back?
[20:54] <kaszynek> yes
[20:55] <kaszynek> right now I have whole /etc and /home from backup version
[20:55] <taza> Okay, that's kinda why I pointed you after /etc/passwd
[20:55] <taza> You have been rebooting, right?
[20:55] <kaszynek> yes
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[20:56] <taza> Frankly, at this point I'd merely dig out the files not in the backup and restore the backup
[20:56] <kaszynek> This is what I will do. But first I will try binary search and copy directory after directory
[20:57] <taza> Try /usr/lib/locale first
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[20:57] <taza> (I think, again. Directory, not file.)
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[20:59] <kaszynek> Too late :/ I'm removing usr... But it wasn't best ideas, cause it has a lot of files
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[20:59] <kaszynek> idea*
[20:59] <hydrospell> uh, anyone managed to use xmonad on raspberry pi - raspian to be exact?
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[21:10] <WebHome> I was hoping someone might be able to assist me... I'm trying to get raspberrypi image working in qemu, but it keeps throwing me an error and kernel panic
[21:12] <WebHome> specifically, this issue: http://i.imgur.com/X4sly1d.png
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[21:33] <kaszynek> WebHome what options are you using?
[21:33] <shiftplusone> WebHome, and what kernel.... what everything are you using
[21:33] <WebHome> I'm running qemu-system-armw -kernel kernel-qemu -cpu arm1176 -m 256 -M versatilepb -no-reboot -serial stdio -append "root=/dev/sda2" -hda 2013-05-25-wheezy-raspbian.img
[21:34] <shiftplusone> looks like the xecdesign article then.
[21:34] <WebHome> yes
[21:34] <WebHome> that's the one I followed
[21:34] <shiftplusone> what's the output of 'file 2013-05-25-wheezy-raspbian.img' ?
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[21:35] <WebHome> shiftplusone: I am using windows, not linux for QEMU
[21:35] <kieppie> howdt
[21:35] <shiftplusone> ah
[21:35] <kieppie> howdy
[21:35] <shiftplusone> could someone with 2013-05-25-wheezy-raspbian.img check?
[21:35] <kieppie> I'd like to use a RasPi as a CarPuter
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[21:36] <kieppie> I'm just wondering re the power supply
[21:36] <WebHome> I can only assume what I'm typing is correct as that's what the page told me to type, but honestly, I don't know enough to know if it's right or not
[21:37] <shiftplusone> WebHome, in the meantime try changing sda2 to sda3, sda4 and so on? They may have change the partition layout.
[21:37] <shiftplusone> (don't go above 5, there's no point)
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[21:37] <kieppie> I can run it off a lighter USB charger, but I'd like to get some sort of beteried buffer to clean the power & to cracefully power down the device
[21:37] <shiftplusone> kieppie, looking to make your own or buy a pre-made thing?
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[21:39] <kieppie> power-supply? either, I guess. if buying a suitable unit is cheap, then sure, but if building it is not rocket-science & instructions are readily available, I' fine doing that
[21:39] <kieppie> I have a decent basic understanding re reading a circuit diagram & soldering not too shaby
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[21:40] <WebHome> shiftplusone: Switching to sda1 did this: http://i.imgur.com/tRWFZXR.png
[21:40] <shiftplusone> definitely not sda1, that's the fat32 partition (always)
[21:41] <pksato> WebHome wrong kernel?
[21:41] <shiftplusone> but I suppose my suggestion was stupid, since if the layout was wrong you would get "no init found" rather than what you're getting.
[21:41] <WebHome> pksato: How so?
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[21:41] <shiftplusone> kieppie, I don't have any links handy, but there are some circuits that involve the use of a 555 timer to cut the power after the pi is shut down.
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[21:42] <kieppie> shiftplusone - I found this: http://www.mausberrycircuits.com/
[21:43] <shiftplusone> aye, there should be plenty of such things out there
[21:43] <kieppie> seems pretty straight-forward - if it's something like that I'd prefer building my own TBH
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[21:47] <shiftplusone> I would power the pi through a relay. Use one of the gpio pins to enable a 555 timer (maybe set the period to about a minute) and use the output from the timer to turn off the relay. Then the remaining problem is providing the power to allow the pi to shut down. Since taking out the keys will kill the lighter voltage. I would get the 12v from some other point (where it's always on). There are s
[21:47] <shiftplusone> till a few issues to iron out, but I am just throwing ideas out there.
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[21:50] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: Why not use a constant 12v source, then use the lighter socket to close a relay and start the Pi at startup, and as a trigger to perform a shutdown & time delayed power cut of the mraspi power when you switch off the engine?
[21:50] <kieppie> sounds like the plan - the power-off on the lighter would be the trigger to init shutdown
[21:50] <IT_Sean> Should be simple enough to make a small board that cuts power to the Pi X minutes after the engine os iff.
[21:50] <IT_Sean> *is
[21:51] <IT_Sean> and there already boards out there that can do a safe shutdown and power cut to the Pi.
[21:51] <kieppie> I wonder re the use of capacitors rather than batteries too, since the charge-cycle can't be good on batteries
[21:51] <IT_Sean> Just take one of those, and instead of a toggle switch, use the switched 12v socket power as the trigger
[21:51] <kieppie> got any links, please?
[21:52] <IT_Sean> Thats why i recommended a constant 12v supply to actually POWER the Pi. The very short amount of time the Pi will be on without the engine running would have nearly zero effect on the car battery.
[21:52] <IT_Sean> I'm at work, so, sorry, the link is not handly
[21:52] <kieppie> np
[21:53] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean, so instead of using a gpio pin to control the relay, use the ignition switch and then use gpio to tell the pi it's time to shut down?
[21:53] <IT_Sean> Basically.
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[21:54] <kieppie> something like this? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=36295
[21:54] <shiftplusone> still need the timer though
[21:54] <pksato> car dont have a power_on 12V line?
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[21:54] <spm_Draget> Anyone running arch in here willing to install >= cryptsetup 1.6 ? Could you paste the output of 'cryptsetup benchmark', thanks a lot.
[21:54] <kieppie> oh - btw. does anyone know if LXC is working on RasPi/Raspbian?
[21:54] <IT_Sean> The raspi on constant 12v. Power to the Pi is controlled by a smart relay board. when the car's switched 12v comes on, it allows the constant 12v to power the Pi. When the engine is turned off, the lighter socket will go dead, signaling the raspi to shutdown, and starting a 5 minute countdown, after which the constant 12v is cut.
[21:55] <shiftplusone> spm_Draget, not many arch users here, #archlinux-arm might be better, but keep in mind that's not a pi channel.
[21:55] <spm_Draget> I'll try, thanks.
[21:55] <IT_Sean> That is how I would do it.
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[22:00] <shiftplusone> Would he need to dig through the service manual to find the best place to tap the constant 12v or is there some standard way to do that?
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[22:04] <ShorTie> a dmm at the fuse box should be able to find contant power
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[22:05] <shiftplusone> and I suppose some points would get cut while the engine starts, so that's something to avoid.
[22:06] <shiftplusone> And this is where my ignorance really shines.... where is the fuse box on cars anyway? (motorcyclist here)
[22:06] <sney> depends on the car
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[22:06] <sney> but often under the steering column, in that area
[22:06] <shiftplusone> ah ok
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[22:09] <IT_Sean> 90s / early 00es american cars often put them at the left end of the dashboard (you have to have the front left door open to find them). Many european cars have them in the engine compartment.
[22:10] <IT_Sean> Most jeeps have their fuseboxes under the dash on the right (LHD: passanger side. RHD: driver side) side of the car.
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[22:11] <spm_Draget> FYI, concerning chipher-speeds on the pi (an arch-user was so nice to share it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6247450/ )
[22:14] <IT_Sean> And lastly, i know if several cars that have them in the trunk (boot, for those of you on the wrong side of the pond).
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[22:15] <pksato> http://www.cartft.com/carpc/catalog/il/337
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[23:00] <betz> hi. How to know which version of raspberry pi you have? I see the pins are different, but have no clue how determine what I have
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[23:01] <atouk> http://www.atouk.com/wordpress/?page_id=238
[23:01] <atouk> run pipins on your pi
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[23:06] <pksato> betz: If have mouting holes, is a Rev2 board. And if have a two usb ports, is a model B.
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[23:09] <betz> pksato: dont have mounting holes, but have 2 usb ports
[23:09] <betz> grep "Revision" /proc/cpuinfo gave me revision 003
[23:10] <pksato> rev 1 board.
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[23:10] <pksato> and, have a 256MB?
[23:10] <betz> yes
[23:11] <pksato> of ram.
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[23:11] <pksato> This is a early production baord. I have one too.
[23:11] <betz> so I guess need to follow the left pinout diagram http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/raspberry-pi-gpio-pinout
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[23:20] <bts__> hello
[23:20] <bts__> can every accessible GPIO pin be set to pull down?
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[23:21] <bts__> particularly I don't know what the meaning of "pull" in this table - is default value, or only available? http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs#GPIO27
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[23:37] <theaftermath> bts__ I'm pretty sure that the pull high/low column on the left means those pins have t those resistors on them.
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[23:39] <theaftermath> so a pull up resistor a is usually a high value resistor attatched to a floating output and the other is connected to either ground or vdd
[23:40] <theaftermath> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull-up_resistor
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[23:43] <stevarino> anyone know of a good tutorial to figuring out transistors from a pi pov?
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[23:47] <ShorTie> kinda depends on what you are trying to do
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[23:51] <stevarino> ShorTie: Learn. :)
[23:52] <ShorTie> well the 1st thing you gotta do is figure out the voltage and load for which you want to control
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[23:55] <theaftermath> its not any different from a pi than it is from any other device. You need to learn how transistors work.
[23:56] <theaftermath> then atatching to a raspberry pi wil be very easy.
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