#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-11-02

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[0:01] <Serus> user_xattr,acl is what I read here
[0:01] <Serus> I'll try it
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[0:07] <Serus> hmm doesn't seem to work on fat
[0:07] <Serus> :|
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[0:21] <noxin> Anyone interested in attempting to help me troubleshoot a temperature sensor issue?
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[0:25] <ShadowJK> What kind of temperature sensor? What kind of problem?
[0:25] <noxin> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11050 It's a DS18B20
[0:26] <ShadowJK> And what's the problem?
[0:26] <noxin> I'm pretty sure it's wired correctly and I know have the correct voltage as I checked with my multimeter
[0:26] <noxin> but I can't get raspbian to see it on the i2c one wire
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[0:27] <noxin> in /sys/bus/w1/devices all I see is the master device, no slave and nothing with a serial number
[0:27] <ShadowJK> When you say "i2c one wire", you do know what one wire and i2c are different things, right?
[0:27] <noxin> I've tried two different sensors
[0:27] <ShadowJK> And you mean you've got a onewire master, which connects to rPi through i2c?
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[0:27] <noxin> I do. but one of the commands to confirm it's there is to run i2cdetect
[0:28] <ShadowJK> okay
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[0:28] <ManiacTwister> noxin: Have you tried the w1-gpio and w1-therm modules?
[0:28] <ShadowJK> You're using 3 wires, no parasite power weirdness?
[0:28] <noxin> I think the answer is I'm using the rpi as the master
[0:28] <noxin> ManiacTwister: I have them loaded
[0:28] <noxin> ShadowJK: correct, real power :)
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[0:29] <ShadowJK> Ok, and you see 3.3V on both VCC and DQ (or whatever they are called on DS18B20)
[0:29] <ShadowJK> and you've got the pull up resistor, around 4.7K?
[0:29] <noxin> 4.7K 1/2 watt resistor between the white wire and red wire
[0:29] <clever> 01 20:26:38 < noxin> but I can't get raspbian to see it on the i2c one wire
[0:29] <clever> noxin: its not i2c
[0:30] <clever> so it will never show up on the i2c bus
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[0:30] <ShadowJK> I've done onewiere on other things, but not on rPi, so here ends my knowledge :)
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[0:30] <ShadowJK> Atleast I was able to extract a little bit more than "temperature sensor issue" out of you :D
[0:30] <clever> ive done it on both avr and rpi, but i forget which pin it goes on
[0:31] <noxin> ShadowJK: I just checked and the white wire which is DQ and ground, shows a zero reading on the multimeter
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[0:31] <clever> noxin: are you sure black is gnd?
[0:32] <noxin> relatively, I flipped it and the sensor got hot quickly
[0:32] <clever> yeah, ive done that too
[0:32] <clever> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11050#comment-51f3223cce395f292e000006
[0:32] <clever> but if you get data and vcc backwards, it likely wont get hot, just not work
[0:32] <noxin> yeah, that's what prompted me to try flipping it
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[0:33] <clever> noxin: do you have a diode testing mode on your scope?
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[0:34] <clever> multimeter, i mean
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[0:35] <ShadowJK> noxin, Ok, so that sounds like there's no pullup resistor?
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[0:36] <noxin> it's a new to me multimeter and I've never tested a diode before
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[0:36] <noxin> ShadowJK: I have a 4.7k between red and white
[0:36] <clever> noxin: one min
[0:38] <clever> noxin: if i put the pos lead on gnd and the neg lead on data, my cheap meter says 520
[0:38] <clever> in diode mode
[0:39] <clever> pos on gnd, neg on vcc, and it says 629
[0:39] <clever> every other combination comes up as over limit (same as open connection)
[0:39] <noxin> omg
[0:40] <noxin> one of my alligator clips
[0:40] <noxin> is busted
[0:40] <clever> lol
[0:40] * noxin hangs head in shame
[0:40] <ShadowJK> cool :)
[0:40] <noxin> swapping it out now
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[0:41] <ShadowJK> Once at work I was measuring something, tearing out my hair, screaming and swearing loudly, finally throwing away the test leads because nothing made sense
[0:41] <ShadowJK> then I noticed one of them wasnt plugged into the meter
[0:41] <clever> noxin: i'm not sure why the meter is showing reverse polarity, but i can clearly see a difference between data and vcc, on a bare ds18b20
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[0:42] <clever> this meter is cheap and ive never used it on a diode before to see what exactly it does
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[0:43] <noxin> son of a .....
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[0:45] <noxin> and both sensors are now working as expected
[0:45] <noxin> Thank you for your help!
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[0:48] <ShadowJK> you're welcome :)
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[3:26] <joshboshjosh> hello
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[3:59] <Cluetrain> which draws more current for a given process: pi or BBB
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[4:03] <ShadowJK> What process
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[4:04] <Cluetrain> lol it hasn't been written yet
[4:04] <Cluetrain> we are at the hardware decision phase
[4:05] <Cluetrain> I need to do obstacle detection
[4:05] <Cluetrain> and long range routing for a sailboat
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[4:06] <ShadowJK> What kind of sensors
[4:06] <Cluetrain> RADAR
[4:06] <ShadowJK> With what kind of datarate and performance?
[4:06] <ShadowJK> .. what?
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[4:06] <Cluetrain> 3axis accelerometer
[4:06] <Cluetrain> it will be connected to a satmodem
[4:06] <Cluetrain> ShadowJK
[4:06] <Cluetrain> yes
[4:07] <ShadowJK> So you'll pick up every little stone, bird and wave? Yeah you definitely need a couple dozen BBBs for the extra CPU power.
[4:07] <Cluetrain> no
[4:07] <Cluetrain> longrange man
[4:07] <Cluetrain> not every little stone
[4:07] <Cluetrain> you do know that radar can have different resolutions
[4:08] <ShadowJK> Last radar I saw, the skipper was like "See those ANGRY blips!?" - "Yeah?", that
[4:08] <ShadowJK> 's those!
[4:08] <Cluetrain> http://www.cci.dmu.ac.uk/administrator/components/com_jresearch/assets/publications/1326903964.pdf
[4:08] <Cluetrain> ...
[4:08] <ShadowJK> He pointed out to sea, and there was part of sea slightly more white than rest of sea
[4:08] <Cluetrain> its already been done successfully
[4:08] <Cluetrain> anyways
[4:08] <ShadowJK> It was underwater rocks :)
[4:08] <Cluetrain> well
[4:08] <Cluetrain> we are using sonar
[4:08] <Cluetrain> thats a different story
[4:09] <Cluetrain> *ont
[4:09] <Cluetrain> *not
[4:09] <Cluetrain> anyways
[4:09] <Cluetrain> we will have a 3g modem for testing
[4:09] <Cluetrain> up
[4:09] <Cluetrain> *um
[4:09] <Cluetrain> a windvane
[4:10] <Cluetrain> anyways
[4:10] <ShadowJK> Well you know, if all your sensors have integrated preprocessing CPUs that only give a signal when there's danger in a certain direction, you do not necesarily need a computer at all, you could make do with a couple of relays controlling the ship rudder
[4:10] <Cluetrain> will the pi peform better battery wise?
[4:10] <Cluetrain> no not really
[4:10] <Cluetrain> if you understood what offshore sailing is likje
[4:11] <Cluetrain> then you would understand that a few relays wouldn't work
[4:11] <ShadowJK> The pi has rubbish sleep modes, and will eat power even when idle. the BBB as a "rely simulator" can be much more efficient.
[4:11] <Cluetrain> yes
[4:11] <Cluetrain> but the thing is
[4:11] <Cluetrain> the PRUs on the BBB arent supported anymore
[4:11] <Cluetrain> and there are few if any examples
[4:12] <Cluetrain> we were also considering a custom pcb with the new OMAP mpu when it comes out
[4:12] <Cluetrain> ok
[4:12] <Cluetrain> What would you use as obstacle detection instead of radar?
[4:13] <ShadowJK> How about you just feed recorded sensor data to your control program, and count the number of cycles on a PC it takes, assume *8 for Pi, assume *(4-6) for bbb, and then I guess you need to simulate whether there are any milliseconds left for bbb to sleep and save power?
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[4:14] <ShadowJK> Though my hunch would be that in active mode they are somewhat similar
[4:15] <ShadowJK> And their power consumption might be dwarfed and quite insignificant compared to power draw of radar+sonar
[4:16] <Cluetrain> we won't have any sonar
[4:16] <Cluetrain> right now nothing has been bought
[4:16] <Cluetrain> but we are about to
[4:17] <ShadowJK> Ok, well, Pi doesnt cost anything. Start with Pi.
[4:18] <ShadowJK> If Pi isnt enough, whip the programmers a few rounds. If it still isnt good enough, go for something faster.
[4:18] <ShadowJK> Like an Atom Netbook. They eat about 15W when working on all cores.
[4:19] <Cluetrain> the last boat
[4:19] <Cluetrain> used a pi
[4:19] <ShadowJK> If that's still not enough, consider those juicy quad-core "tablet" SoC boards from china :))
[4:19] <ShadowJK> Allwinner
[4:19] <Cluetrain> i heard though
[4:19] <Cluetrain> allwinner has shitter support for the linux kernel
[4:20] <Cluetrain> or something like that
[4:20] <Cluetrain> idk
[4:20] <ShadowJK> As a bonus, if you keep switching CPU archs, your programmers will learn good platform-agnostic coding practices and wil learn to separate logic code from hardware code.
[4:20] <sney> warning: there's a no swearing rule in this channel, and depending on which op is awake you might get kicked later without warning
[4:20] <Cluetrain> my 'programmers'
[4:20] <Cluetrain> know nothing at all
[4:21] <Cluetrain> I doubt they would understand the difference in coding for different rach
[4:21] <Cluetrain> *archs
[4:22] <Cluetrain> in fact one of them didn't know that you can host sites off the BBB lol
[4:23] <Cluetrain> he was looking to buy an 'electronics web inteface control unit' or something along those lines
[4:23] <ShadowJK> Well it's something everyone should learn early in their carreer. :)
[4:25] <Cluetrain> lol
[4:25] <Cluetrain> yes
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[4:25] <Cluetrain> but my team sucks
[4:25] <Cluetrain> like
[4:25] <Cluetrain> the electrical and mech team is experienced
[4:26] <Cluetrain> but the software team- one of the most important parts is lacking
[4:26] <Cluetrain> ohwell
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[4:29] <ShadowJK> sney, I loked up "swearing" on wikipedia. It directed me to "Profanity". It doesn't exactly help. It more or less says that what is considered profanity (and thus swearing?) can not be defined clearly except through social interactions. It would be extremely helpful, if the appointed adjudicators would join the sociial interaction, so as to provide continuous feedback on the whole wide spectrum of the rich language available in english, and seamlessly es
[4:29] <ShadowJK> tablish where the ranges of expressions are
[4:29] <sney> I think it's in the channel rules link
[4:30] <sney> I oppose that rule, fwiw, but the best I can do is warn people after they break it
[4:32] <ShadowJK> Excellent, hydraulic fracturing is not explicitly mentioned as a forbidden abbreviation :-)
[4:33] <ShadowJK> It has versatile uses as a comparison point of difficulty, engineering complexity beyond belief :D
[4:33] <sney> well, IT_Sean isn't here so you'd probably get away with it anyway
[4:34] <ShadowJK> It's one of the most difficult engineering tasks on this globe, you know
[4:35] <ShadowJK> And in terms of extracting the very last bits of something that was previously considered impossible, it's on the forefront
[4:37] <Cluetrain> lol
[4:37] <Cluetrain> fracking
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[4:37] <ShadowJK> Like the medieval saying regarding the futility of extracting blood from stones, the modern hydraulic fracturing is not entirely futile :)
[4:38] <ShadowJK> Though after the stone has been removed of all its oil, one can say that it has been truly fracked.
[4:38] * shiftplusone wakes up
[4:38] <shiftplusone> Cluetrain, please mind the language.
[4:39] <jlf> "mind the language" for "fracking"???
[4:39] <shiftplusone> no
[4:39] <shiftplusone> earlier
[4:40] <Cluetrain> lol
[4:40] <Cluetrain> wtf
[4:40] <Cluetrain> you are going to censor me on a engineering term?
[4:40] <Cluetrain> really?
[4:40] <shiftplusone> ... I already said no.
[4:40] <Cluetrain> on chat room that is based off a heavily engineered project
[4:40] <Cluetrain> you idiot
[4:40] <shiftplusone> ..... are you that slow?
[4:40] <Cluetrain> no
[4:41] <Cluetrain> I'm not slow
[4:41] <Cluetrain> you are
[4:41] <shiftplusone> well played, sir.
[4:41] <Cluetrain> If you understood what fracking meant
[4:41] <ShadowJK> Your mother smells of elderberries?
[4:41] <pksato> contex it is.
[4:41] <Cluetrain> then you wouldn't be offended by it
[4:41] <Cluetrain> enough said
[4:41] <shiftplusone> .... I already said it's not about fracking >_<
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[4:41] <Cluetrain> Its like being offended by pi
[4:41] <Cluetrain> it makes no sense
[4:41] <ShadowJK> Cluetrain, some people already are offended by it
[4:42] <shiftplusone> feel free to keep going on about fracking, but for the 3rd time, it's not about fracking.
[4:42] <Cluetrain> or being 'offended' by evolution
[4:42] <Cluetrain> yes
[4:42] <Cluetrain> we can allow people who are offended by scientific things to control the way we speak
[4:42] <Cluetrain> but then
[4:42] <Cluetrain> we are just censoring science
[4:42] <Cluetrain> not a good thing imo
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[4:43] <ShadowJK> I would say, that this conversation is thoroughly fracked.
[4:43] <Cluetrain> but i doubt you are involved in the STEM community shiftplusone
[4:43] <Cluetrain> so it doesn't bother me *that* much
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[4:44] <shiftplusone> You're being very thick right now. The word 'fracking' has nothing to do with it... as I keep saying. Scroll up earlier to the point where you were pointed to the rules before I was here.
[4:44] <piney0> Cluetrain, he was talking about the profanity that you used as an adjective describing support for linux about a page up atm.
[4:45] <ShadowJK> Cluetrain, I think he's refering to you comparing various levels of linux kernel support with excrement
[4:46] <piney0> lol
[4:46] <piney0> better put
[4:48] <ShadowJK> Cluetrain, next time, avoid the manure vs excrement debate, entirely, go for the zealot route, and claim that the support is more shiite
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[4:48] <A124> For any ignorant:
[4:48] <A124> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fracking
[4:48] <A124> Peace
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[4:50] <ShadowJK> Cluetrain, most people spell so bad on IRC anways, they're note sure whether you're a brit talking about excrement, or a persian talking about local religious issues.
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[4:51] <Cluetrain> well i'm neither
[4:51] <Cluetrain> so you don't have to worry
[4:52] <Cluetrain> you know that most labeled *persians* are not really perian - only 60% of iran is persian
[4:53] <Cluetrain> *a far few not most
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[4:55] <Che-Anarc> Can I get a valid ../config of the latest rasbarrian - trying to do a build from source having issues.
[4:56] <shiftplusone> In the scripts (or was it tools) directory of the kernel source, there's a script that can extract the config from a compiled kernel. Alternatively, you can boot a kernel and get it from /proc/config.gz or use one of the defconfig files. I'd go for the first option.
[4:57] <shiftplusone> scripts/extract-ikconfig
[4:57] <Che-Anarc> shiftplusone should I delete the config I've generated manually?
[4:58] <shiftplusone> delete, overwrite, nuke... whatever suits you.
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[4:58] <shiftplusone> Or rename it and keep it if there's a chance you might need it.
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[5:10] <shiftplusone> Che-Anarc, any luck?
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[5:50] <joshboshjosh> hello
[5:50] <jlf> a likely story
[5:50] <joshboshjosh> has anyone tried the vlc with hardware accel support yet
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[6:12] <Cluetrain> vlc?
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[6:21] <geordie> Cluetrain: a modern videoplayer
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[6:22] <Demon_Jester> Sup
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[12:39] <komunista> hi all
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[12:41] <Pinas> hi all
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[13:06] <bennypr0fane> hello, I tun Enlightenment on Raspbian (Noob installation). How can I change the display settings? I get an E17 message saying "your screen is not in 24/32bit display mode. That is required to be your default depth setting for the compositor to work properly" Where can I adjust these settings?
[13:07] <Jusii> config.txt
[13:07] <Jusii> framebuffer_depth=32 or 24
[13:08] <Jusii> read notes from here http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[13:29] <komunista> gordonDrogon: hi
[13:29] <komunista> finally I was success with Nokia LCD ;-)
[13:29] <komunista> it was pcd8455 library mistake...
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[13:30] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[13:39] <bennypr0fane> I tried to set frambuffer_width in config.txt to 32, which gives me a black screen instead of x desktop is that because 32bit doesn't work with my setup/monitor etc. or because it needs to read "32bit"? That is not clearly specified in the http://elinux.org/RPiconfig page
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[13:52] <bennypr0fane> Jusii, you have any idea?
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[13:54] <Pinas> one question. Is it possible to "push buttons" via the GPIO pins. I'd like to replace the buttons of my coffee maschine with the raspberry so that i can order coffe via an app :)
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[13:57] <SpeedEvil> Pinas: In short - yes.
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> Exactly how will differ.
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> The easy way is a relay driver board, and relays connected across the buttons.
[13:58] <Pinas> well the problem is that I have no idea about electronics (I studied computer science :D )
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[14:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=usb+relay&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.Xarduino+relay&_nkw=arduino+relay&_sacat=0
[14:02] <Pinas> so I would connect the cables that now go to the original button to this relais and the relais to one gpio pin ?
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[14:07] <SpeedEvil> Broadly, yes.
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> How many buttons?
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[14:12] <Pinas> SpeedEvil - 3
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[14:13] <Pinas> but I want to use one (the espresso button :D )
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Arduino-4-Channel-5V-Relay-Module-Expansion-Board-/160981814441?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item257b438ca9 - would seem suitable
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[14:14] <SpeedEvil> You would connect 'in1-4' to 4 GPIO outputs on the PI. Then ground and VCC to 0 and 5V on the pi.
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> Then the buttons connect to the outputs of the relays
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> You don't have to remove the existing buttons (assuming they are normally open buttons)
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[14:17] <Pinas> hmm that sounds really interesting :)
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[14:18] <[Saint]> you'd just need to be able to get to the wiring of whatevr button(s) you wanted to control.
[14:18] <[Saint]> and SpeedEvil is correct, if the buttons are normally "open", you could leave them functional.
[14:20] <[Saint]> this way, you could probably even insert a model A pi with a wifi dongle directly into the case of the coffee machine.
[14:20] <[Saint]> then you've got a remote portal to your coffee machine from anything you can dream up that touches the web. :)
[14:21] <Pinas> so I would connect one gpio with one relay in, then I would solder the kable from relay out to the current button ???
[14:22] <[Saint]> Yep.
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> Well, those actually have screw terminals.
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> But similar
[14:23] <Pinas> and could I split up the current cable to the button and connect two cables to it (so I dont have to solder) ??
[14:23] <[Saint]> Then you just have to tell the pi to pull the pin your relay is watching, the relay triggers, and voila: a "button" was pressed.
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[14:24] <Pinas> yea as soon as I can write code I'm happy :)
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> Soldering is not hard - at least for basic stuff.
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> It's good practice.
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[14:25] <[Saint]> if you were delecate enough, all you'd really need to do is strip out two tiny bits of wire from the middle of the switches loops and feed them into the relay.
[14:26] <[Saint]> *delicate
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[14:27] <[Saint]> assuming the relay you get is a screw-thread terminal type, you likely don't have to solder anything.
[14:27] <[Saint]> just cut and strip.
[14:27] <Pinas> but how do I connect the kabel from Relay out to the button ?
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[14:28] <[Saint]> you would leave the existing wiring in place, if you're lucky and its long enough.
[14:29] <[Saint]> all you're doing is cutting the wiring for this switch and throwing a relay in there to bridge it before it gets to the switch. Then you can leave the switch in place.
[14:29] <[Saint]> the switch won't work when the relay fires, but it doesn't have to.
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[14:30] <Pinas> ok that sounds really cool - thank you for you help. I'm pretty sure that I will ask some more questions in the next days/weeks :D
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[14:54] <MarcoFe> hello
[14:54] <MarcoFe> have someone compile own kernel?
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[16:54] <JoeyJoeJo> I've been searching for some emulators to install and so far I've only found mame4all. Are there emulators for SNES or NES?
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[16:57] <sney> mednafen, bsnes
[16:57] <sney> they're in debian at least.
[16:57] <JoeyJoeJo> thanks
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[17:39] <bennypr0fane> hello, I have a user management problem. I created a another user bcs I didn't want my default user to be "pi". The new user is not in the sudoers file and other annyoing stuff. How can I make my ne user get all the properties and settings of the previous one?
[17:39] <bennypr0fane> I'm on Raspbian (noob installation)
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[17:40] <bennypr0fane> also, I want that user to be signed in by default
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[17:41] <bennypr0fane> but Raspbian seemingly has no GUI tool for managing these things
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[17:43] <Encrypt> bennypr0fane, sudo nano /etc/sudoers
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[17:43] <Encrypt> But be careful
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[17:44] <bennypr0fane> it says it must be edited with the visudo command as root
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[17:45] <bennypr0fane> Encrypt, is this ok?
[17:45] <Encrypt> Hum...
[17:45] <Encrypt> I imagine it is
[17:45] <nerdboy> just su to root and edit it with any editor
[17:45] <Encrypt> However I always edited this file this way :p
[17:46] <nerdboy> debian should make a user with the right group for sudo, but may not
[17:47] <bennypr0fane> it now looks like this: http://pastie.org/pastes
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[17:47] <nerdboy> can be any group really, gentoo uses wheel, debian uses adm or sudo...
[17:48] <bennypr0fane> so how do I change the file ?
[17:48] <shiftplusone> The file is self-documented
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[17:48] <shiftplusone> I think you will find that you need to add the user to the wheel group, rather than change the file.
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[17:50] <bennypr0fane> I'd like to have a GUI tool for this
[17:50] <bennypr0fane> shiftplusone, nerdboy said debian uses adm or sudo?
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[17:51] <bennypr0fane> ask two doctors, get three opinions...
[17:51] <shiftplusone> therefore you should read the sudoers file and find out for yourself.
[17:52] <bennypr0fane> how do I get to sign in the new user by default?
[17:52] <shiftplusone> Sign into console or X ?
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[17:53] <bennypr0fane> X
[17:53] <shiftplusone> just a sec, I'll find out.
[17:53] <bennypr0fane> i.e. it's the display manager that manages those settings, right?
[17:53] <shiftplusone> edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and replace autologin-user=pi with whatever you need it to be.
[17:53] <bennypr0fane> great
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[17:55] <bennypr0fane> does anyone in here use mpd?
[17:56] <nerdboy> that was the point of my original oe image, so yes...
[17:56] <shiftplusone> Since the pi is supposed to be an educational tool and you would like a GUI tool that would make configuration easier for beginners, there might be others who would appreciate it if you made such a tool.
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[17:58] <bennypr0fane> shiftplusone, is it really necessary to make new one?
[17:58] <nerdboy> bennypr0fane: mpd setup stuff for my pi image is here: https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/wiki/Raspberry-Pi-Openbox-MPD-Image-Setup
[17:59] <bennypr0fane> shiftplusone, I mean we could just use an existing one, no?
[17:59] <nerdboy> plays every day in my car...
[17:59] <bennypr0fane> also, I can't program
[18:00] <bennypr0fane> I also just got started learning Java...
[18:00] <bennypr0fane> nerdboy cool, thanks!
[18:00] <shiftplusone> Is there a tool that will set up autologin, manage groups and users and do so in a way that is consistent with raspbian's default setup?
[18:00] <nerdboy> forget java and try python
[18:00] <bennypr0fane> shiftplusone, I dunno
[18:00] <nerdboy> you can learn the basics in a couple of hours...
[18:01] <bennypr0fane> nerdboy, that's what I'd have liked, but my school teaches Java
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[18:01] <bennypr0fane> I'll have to do Python on my own
[18:01] <shiftplusone> That's why I approached it from the education angle... you would learn a lot by making such a tool.
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[18:01] <shiftplusone> even if it's...*shudders*... java.
[18:02] <bennypr0fane> I get this output from mpd
[18:02] <bennypr0fane> $ mpd
[18:02] <bennypr0fane> Failed to bind to '[::]:6600': Failed to create socket: Address family not supported by protocol
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[18:02] <nerdboy> nobody should run a jvm on the pi...
[18:02] <nerdboy> that's just asking for trouble
[18:03] <shiftplusone> why's that?
[18:03] <pksato> java are trouble on any plataform.
[18:03] <nerdboy> too much resource hoggage
[18:03] <bennypr0fane> I spent an hour or two just before, editing the /etc/mpd.conf file, but apparently mpd never looks for it
[18:03] <shiftplusone> so?
[18:03] <shiftplusone> If there are masochists who want to use java, it's up to them.
[18:04] <nerdboy> java is problematic even on fast x86/84 hardware
[18:04] <bennypr0fane> nerdboy I think so too. Java isn't even implemented in Raspbian or any other Os for the Pi, I think
[18:04] <nerdboy> i would not let it near my pi...
[18:04] <bennypr0fane> me neither
[18:04] <shiftplusone> bennypr0fane, java works just fine on raspbian.
[18:04] <shiftplusone> well, as well as java can.
[18:04] <bennypr0fane> shiftplusone, you tried it?
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[18:05] <shiftplusone> Nope, I don't need to. Oracle have released their jvm for the pi a while back and people are reporting it works much faster than openjdk or whatever else people were using before.
[18:06] <nerdboy> "much faster than a turd" isn't saying much...
[18:06] <shiftplusone> And yet that's good enough for java developers.
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[18:07] <bennypr0fane> I keep wondering though why in the opensource world, everybody seems to say Java is horsedung, while everybody I talk to in real life (I don't know a single FOSS-fan like I am, it's appalling really) says awesome, Java is what you need. I mean IT-professionals, programmers I talk to keep saying that
[18:08] <nerdboy> even the best/most-used java implementations are still stuck with all the attendant baggage
[18:08] <bennypr0fane> attendant?
[18:08] <nerdboy> jenkins is pretty well used/abused but it still runs out of memory after a while
[18:09] <nerdboy> even on my 16-core build serevr
[18:09] <bennypr0fane> from what I've learned so far, Java continuously babysits the programmer
[18:10] <shiftplusone> bennypr0fane, are you talking about people who have been coding professionally for a while and have worked with other languages as well? Or just people straight out of uni who only know java?
[18:10] <nerdboy> kinda sucks when your continuous integration tool suddenly stops supporting continuous integration...
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[18:11] <nerdboy> i've already bumped the VM max mem twice and it just takes a little longer to crap out
[18:11] <bennypr0fane> shiftplusone, I don't know about their educational background, but programmers for like a bank or catering software or whatever
[18:12] <bennypr0fane> shiftplusone, if by uni you mean university, how can you study comp sci and learn jsut the one language?
[18:12] <shiftplusone> bennypr0fane, maybe it's good enough for what they do... or at least it's good enough that management doesn't complain.
[18:12] <nerdboy> so, JVM plus programmers who ignore style guides and compiler warnings == a giant turd in actual real-world usage
[18:12] <bennypr0fane> lol
[18:14] <shiftplusone> bennypr0fane, In my experience, some universities teach a large variety of languages, but they may start with java and only skim over other languages later on. I am not necessarily talking about comp sci, but maybe more IT based courses. I was studying electrical engineering, and we skimmed over java, while focusing on C. I can see how in other courses it may be the other way around.
[18:15] <nerdboy> my younger son is still in his first programming course
[18:15] <bennypr0fane> I'm fine with Java, for a start, but I can't appreciate how later on they make us learn C#
[18:15] <nerdboy> one week of scratch and then straight to c++ for the basic concepts
[18:15] <shiftplusone> scratch? really? >_<
[18:16] <nerdboy> personally i would not want to make a beginner even touch c++
[18:16] <bennypr0fane> in C# you can program only for MS platforms right?
[18:16] <shiftplusone> bennypr0fane, no, it's fairly cross-platform thanks to mono.
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[18:17] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, maybe they only use a c++ compiler, but actually teach c to start with (and only introduce OOP after they get the grasp of C)?
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[18:18] <melfy> why would they still start you on java
[18:18] <nerdboy> nope, he makes then do the very simplest stuff in c++, namespaces and all...
[18:18] <shiftplusone> damn
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[18:19] <nerdboy> i talked to the instructor a few times back when he first started (and i still taught there)
[18:19] <nerdboy> he didn't get it then, and he doesn't get it now
[18:19] <bennypr0fane> nerdboy, what does that mpd setup do exactly that you limnked me to?
[18:20] <nerdboy> plays music, duh... ;)
[18:20] <shiftplusone> >_<
[18:20] <bennypr0fane> nah, I mean how can I install/use it on my system?
[18:20] <nerdboy> follow the wiki and make an sdcard
[18:20] <bennypr0fane> I don't understand what it is
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[18:21] <nerdboy> it's a linux os image built with yocto/poky
[18:21] <bennypr0fane> is it a modded image of raspbian?
[18:21] <nerdboy> not raspbian, openembedded
[18:21] <nerdboy> built from source
[18:21] <bennypr0fane> so it'S a complete OS
[18:21] <shiftplusone> melfy, if that was aimed at me, I've got no idea. It was a first year thing when all engineering courses are pretty much the same, so a lot of first year isn't really relevant to what you end up specializing in.
[18:22] <nerdboy> some of the tools are debian-ish
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[18:22] <nerdboy> like opkg and /etc/network/interfaces
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> scratch (1 hour) -> BASIC (1 day) -> C FTW :-)
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon> or just stop at BASIC...
[18:22] <shiftplusone> .... or forget that scratch and basic nonsense. >.>
[18:23] <bennypr0fane> nerdboy debian-ish is not enough for me. I want to build on the hours I've already spent trying in vain to get this sh*** working
[18:23] <bennypr0fane> I'm really frustrated already
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[18:23] * nerdboy would use several example languages in class and python for the implementation/homework
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> bennypr0fane, do check the channel language policys please...
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[18:23] <bennypr0fane> no way I'm gonna delve into yet another new distro
[18:23] <bennypr0fane> I did make ***
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[18:24] <bennypr0fane> gordonDrogon, sorry I offende you though
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> doesn't matter.
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> but please re-read them.
[18:24] <nerdboy> bennypr0fane: raspbian doesn't really have a decent audio setup out of the box
[18:25] <nerdboy> the initial point of mpd image was working audio/mpd out of the box
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[18:25] <nerdboy> with lirc and empcd remote control configs
[18:26] <nerdboy> for working/basic alsa you need a couple of things set right
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[18:26] <nerdboy> then mpd should see the alsa device interface and work
[18:27] <bennypr0fane> hmmm. In my experience, if I try something new, i.e. entirely unknown to me, and try my very best to get it up and running, I mess around for hours on end, and still it doesn't work
[18:27] <undecim> Alright, so I've got a powered hub, but I want to run my Pi on one USB connection. Can I plug in my Pi from the powered hub, or will this short out the Pi? (i.e. since the Pi will try to power the hub, which is powering the Pi...)
[18:27] <bennypr0fane> right now, I have my mpd client telling it can't adjust the volume, it's muted
[18:27] <nerdboy> if you follow the wiki and dd yourself a card, boot it up and add some music files it should "just work"
[18:28] <nerdboy> probably the alsa and/or config.txt settings
[18:28] <bennypr0fane> nerdboy, that just sounds so beautiful. I've just never ever had such an experience
[18:29] <bennypr0fane> yr image does have a GUI, yes?
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[18:29] <gordonDrogon> undecim, should be fine with just one PSU.
[18:29] <nerdboy> openbox desktop, but no login manager yet
[18:30] <undecim> gordonDrogon: So there won't be an issue with the loop where the Pi and the Hub are providing each other with power?
[18:30] <nerdboy> uses the mini_x session setup to boot to a root desktop
[18:31] <nerdboy> bennypr0fane: do you want to try and fix raspbian audio?
[18:31] <bennypr0fane> nerdboy, what do think will be less trouble?
[18:32] <bennypr0fane> I don't think I need a login manager
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[18:33] <nerdboy> that's still on my todo list
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[18:33] <nerdboy> if you can use a text editor, then we can fix alsa on your raspbian card
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[18:34] <bennypr0fane> yes I can
[18:34] <nerdboy> open config.txt and make sure it has "hdmi_drive=2"
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> undecim, there really isn't a loop with just one PSU.
[18:35] <bennypr0fane> and then I'll need to fix mpd
[18:35] <nerdboy> mpd should work once alsa works
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> undecim, and you might not even need the hub to micro usb connector either as the Pi will be back-powered by the hub (mostof them will do that anywaY)
[18:35] <nerdboy> first things first...
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[18:36] <undecim> :O
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[18:36] <undecim> Awesome, it's powering with just the hub... didn't know it would do that.
[18:37] <undecim> I was worried I'd have to cut the power wires from one of my USB cables....
[18:37] <bennypr0fane> nerdboy or I could install pulseaudio instead
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[18:39] <bennypr0fane> there is Rasi in the #mpd channel suggesting pa would work better
[18:39] <nerdboy> don't need it
[18:39] <nerdboy> at least not yet
[18:40] <nerdboy> hang on a sec, wife talking...
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[18:41] <nerdboy> https://archive.org/details/jcm2011-10-22.jcm2011-10-22 <= download this for your pi
[18:41] <bennypr0fane> hanging on
[18:41] <bennypr0fane> ok
[18:42] <bennypr0fane> nerdboy hum? what's that for?
[18:43] <nerdboy> <shrug>
[18:43] <nerdboy> need some content, plus that's a pretty awesome recording
[18:43] <bennypr0fane> haha
[18:44] <bennypr0fane> cool
[18:44] <bennypr0fane> I got some stuff on my card though
[18:44] <nerdboy> not your style?
[18:45] <bennypr0fane> I dunno let's see
[18:48] <nerdboy> this recording is full digital and pretty awesome too => https://archive.org/details/mermen1997-10-25.flac16
[18:48] <bennypr0fane> thanks
[18:48] <bennypr0fane> I don't know how to download this
[18:49] <nerdboy> download the zip archive
[18:49] <nerdboy> low bitrate but simple
[18:50] <nerdboy> if you like it, download each flac for full quality
[18:51] <bennypr0fane> nerdboy, I need to change users
[18:51] <bennypr0fane> brb
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[19:12] <nerdboy> okay, bennypr0fane, still there?
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[19:13] <nerdboy> did you make that config.txt change?
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[19:32] <mmhun> This is a really silly question, but how can I access the filesystem on the /boot partition of the SD in Windows? I've loaded up NOOBS onto the card and went ahead installing raspbian, but my windows box doesn't seem to see anything over than the RECOVERY partition.
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[19:34] <nerdboy> the /boot partition should be vfat
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[19:35] <nerdboy> which is usually the only thing windows sees, unless you installed some extfs utility
[19:35] <mmhun> yeah, so I should natively be able to see /boot, right?
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[19:35] <nerdboy> correct
[19:36] <mmhun> well darn.
[19:36] <nerdboy> unless the card isn't linux...
[19:37] <nerdboy> not sure if the pi itself needs an msdos partition table...
[19:37] <nerdboy> is it gpt perhaps?
[19:37] <mmhun> Can't imagine why it would be.
[19:37] <mmhun> I also don't have an SD port on my mac to check it
[19:38] <Jusii> no it's not gpt
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[19:38] <Jusii> but don't have any idea why windows isn't seeing it
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[19:39] <mmhun> I just downloaded an ext reader (for windows) and it sees a FAT16 BOOT partition.
[19:39] <mmhun> but my windows just doesn't.
[19:40] <Jusii> and it's not hidden partition?
[19:41] <nerdboy> <shrug> windows is like that...
[19:41] <Jusii> even though windows doesn't support multiple partitions on sdcards or usb sticks, it should see the first fat partition though
[19:42] <nerdboy> can barely find its own dlls half the time...
[19:42] <mmhun> Jusii: well it sees the RECOVERY partition, so then maybe it that a reason why it'd miss the BOOT one?
[19:42] <Jusii> ah
[19:42] <Jusii> there's your answer
[19:43] <Jusii> I'm not familiar with noobs, didn't know those were different things
[19:43] <Jusii> hmm, was there a tool for windows to access other partitions
[19:44] <mmhun> I just downloaded it yesterday :) If I were to wipe everything, reformat it as FAT16 / BOOT and mark that partition as bootable, could I just put a "kernel.img" file on there and have it boot?
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[19:45] <nerdboy> mmhun: try downloading the raspbian image?
[19:46] <nerdboy> just /boot and /
[19:46] <mmhun> nerdboy: will try now
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[19:48] <nerdboy> i haven't played with the noobs thing, but i suspect it keeps its own partitioning scheme no matter what you install with it
[19:48] <nerdboy> unless your first choice is permanent...
[19:48] <sney> yeah, I generally tell people to skip noobs unless they're really unsure what they want
[19:50] <cumana> any idea why I get stuck in simple irq interrupt (bare metal)? it's like 'irq: sub pc, lr, $4', but it doesn't go back to the actual code
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[19:51] <nerdboy> bennypr0fane: my original project page talks about the audio stuff => http://www.gentoogeek.org/steves_world/raspberrypi_mpd_image_html
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[19:52] <Pinas> hello all. Could I use the PiFace Digital Shield to "push" buttons of a coffe machine ?
[19:53] <nerdboy> does it come with servos and a french fry?
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[19:54] <Pinas> �hm no
[19:54] <Pinas> I want to remove the current button and plug the cable into the PiFace
[19:55] <nerdboy> then i'd say yes, as long as you can match the voltage/impedance
[19:56] <nerdboy> the physical button is analog or digital?
[19:56] <uniqdom> does anybody know if arduino have control over the pwm's frecuency??
[19:56] <Pinas> �hm nerdboy i have no idea if the physical button is analog or digital
[19:59] <nerdboy> are you talking about this? http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-52857/l/piface-digital-for-raspberry-pi
[19:59] <Pinas> jep
[19:59] <Pinas> sorry I thought it is well known
[20:00] <nerdboy> it sounds like it should work, in theory...
[20:00] <Pinas> just in theory ?
[20:00] <uniqdom> gordonDrogon, your wiringPi doesn't have function to controll pwm's frequency right?
[20:00] <nerdboy> well, based on their description... sense/actuate switch states, etc
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[20:01] <nerdboy> can you pop the switch and put a multimeter on the contacts?
[20:01] <ShorTie> it's hard to know, without more info on the button that is there
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[20:02] <Pinas> nerdoby - I am an absolute electronics beginner, I don't even own a multimeter
[20:02] <Pinas> the switch itself says +5V
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[20:03] <nerdboy> i think ShorTie has at least a thousand hours of soldering time...
[20:03] <Pinas> it that one: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t8ufydgw6oi4jbm/IMG_20131102_182424.jpg
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[20:04] <Pinas> other side: https://www.dropbox.com/s/adqbsoqmwq2p8y3/IMG_20131102_180651.jpg
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[20:05] <nerdboy> the diagram shows 5V relays and output ports
[20:05] <nerdboy> on the piface thing
[20:06] <nerdboy> shouldn't be that hard, maybe just a resistor or two
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[20:06] <nerdboy> but i don't do much of that these days
[20:06] <Pinas> :( i hoped that I could connect it to the cables directly
[20:07] <nerdboy> custom cables are pretty much it
[20:07] <sney> I wonder if I could make a robot snow shovel.
[20:07] <ShorTie> i would think you could tape onto each side of the switch you want with wires and bring those out to a piface relay
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[20:08] <nerdboy> no impedance matching?
[20:08] <Pinas> nerdboy, couldn't I just connect a cable that originally goes to the physical switch to the piface ??
[20:09] <nerdboy> ^^
[20:10] <Pinas> as you see I don't know lot about electronics
[20:10] <nerdboy> s/tape/tap/ maybe?
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[20:11] <nerdboy> there should be some examples of piface projects i would think
[20:13] <nerdboy> but yeah, what ShorTie said sounds like a good first cut
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[20:13] <Pinas> hmm I currently only have a 4 relay board but I dont know if I smash the raspberry if I connect the cables
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[20:15] <davidrsmorris> Hello everyone, I have my first Raspi. I got it to open the NOOBS lite installer, but I didn't have an internet connection. I tried the NOOBS normal image, I didn't see anything on my HDMI connected TV. I am now trying the Lite image again, and it's not showing any graphics.
[20:15] <davidrsmorris> Has anyone had problems like this before? Is the device just shot?
[20:16] <sney> it could be a bad sd card, they don't do very good QA on those.
[20:16] <sney> try the raspbian image.
[20:16] <Jusii> or RPi doesn't detect your display, you can force hdmi on in config.txt
[20:17] <Jusii> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[20:17] <davidrsmorris> mm, I see. How would I be able to confirm sd card issues? And raspbian wheezy image would be able to deal with that?
[20:17] <davidrsmorris> Huh, I will try that option before messing with dd
[20:19] <Pinas> davidrsmorris does you display detects the raspbarry ??
[20:19] <sney> I think that's what he's trying to find out :P
[20:20] <davidrsmorris> well, I have a device which just sits there with a black screen. However, it's worked before with the same software, and now it doesn't. That's alarming.
[20:20] <sney> does it sleep the screen or do you get the no signal behaviour?
[20:21] <davidrsmorris> I don't know. It doesn't splash on boot, though.
[20:22] <Pinas> well my screen always tells me if there is something attached to hdmi (actually it only offers the possibility to switch to hdmi if something is connected)
[20:22] <sney> since the pi doesn't have a bios, if it can't find bootcode.bin and a kernel, it'll just do nothing and output nothing
[20:22] <davidrsmorris> I take it that the moving of files from the .zip noobs archive to the fresh partition on SD card either reformats it into 3 filesystems or the pi is supposed to?
[20:22] <sney> but if there's a live connection, the screen will generally go to sleep, rather than showing a "no signal found" etc thing
[20:22] <davidrsmorris> Right, unfortunately my HDMI monitor is not that verbose.
[20:23] <sney> I really encourage people to skip NOOBS. it's overcomplicated. do you want a linux system you can use to learn programming and things? use the raspbian image.
[20:23] <davidrsmorris> right, but how long does it take to get the raspbian image on the sd card?
[20:23] <sney> not long.
[20:23] <Pinas> there is a wizard for that
[20:23] <Pinas> takes 5 min
[20:24] <sney> right, 5 or so minutes with dd as well. it's not very big
[20:24] <davidrsmorris> Pinas: didn't know that, was using dd with odd arguments. Where is the wizard? thanks.
[20:24] <Jusii> robe and wizard hat
[20:24] <sney> the wizard is win32diskimager under windows. under linux, use dd or cat, run 'sync' after it finishes to make sure
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[20:25] <mmhun> reporting back: it seems it was noobs that made it so I couldn't see boot. I put raspbian on it and everything is working swimmingly
[20:25] <christo_m> Has anyone successfully set up synergy on RPi?
[20:25] <christo_m> maybe my ubuntu synergy server config is incorrect. but im not able to get the two to talk to each other
[20:28] <nerdboy> bennypr0fane: just so you know, alsa works fine on raspbian if you set hdmi_drive=2 and do "amixer cset numid=3 2" to force digital audio out over hdmi
[20:28] <Pinas> davidrsmorris - I always used this imagewriter
[20:29] <nerdboy> there's a linux gui for imagewriter too...
[20:30] <Pinas> even better :)
[20:30] <nerdboy> both come out of an ubuntu ppa archive
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[20:31] <davidrsmorris> I don't know what you guys are talking about with the raspbian image taking 5 minutes. The image is 3 gigs and my device seems to be writing it a few kilobytes a second.
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[20:32] <sney> increase your block size in dd
[20:32] <davidrsmorris> I set it to 1024
[20:33] <nerdboy> bs=4M should maximize the transfer
[20:33] <davidrsmorris> I only have 4G memory, and 1k seems to fill up my memory.
[20:33] <nerdboy> shouldn't
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[20:35] <nerdboy> try sudo dd if=/path/to/raspbian.img of=/dev/sdX bs=4M where X is your card reader device
[20:36] <nerdboy> some cards and readers are faster than others, but you should get a solid 4M/s with a class 4 card
[20:36] <nerdboy> 11-12M/s with a good class 10
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[20:37] <davidrsmorris> I do remember waiting an inordinate amount of time for dd to come back...
[20:37] <nerdboy> fire up gkrellm and watch the disk device
[20:38] <davidrsmorris> Sure, I'll try that, since imagewriter segfaulted.
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[20:48] <nerdboy> davidrsmorris: lower right terminal and far right gkrellm display http://www.gentoogeek.org/image_archive/screen_shots/xfce_desktop.jpg/view?display=xlarge
[20:48] <nerdboy> class 10 sandisk ultra card
[20:49] <nerdboy> 2962227200 bytes (3.0 GB) copied, 293.385 s, 10.1 MB/s
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[20:56] <christo_m> I'm getting mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk0p2 showing up in df -h
[20:56] <christo_m> any reason for this?
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[20:58] <davidrsmorris> so, I've got dd running, and there's no activity on my smart card according to gkrellm.
[20:58] <shiftplusone> christo_m, why shouldn't they? =S
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[20:58] <sney> yeah, p1 is the fat32 boot partition, and p2 is /
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[20:58] <sney> (typically)
[20:59] <christo_m> ah i see
[21:01] <nerdboy> card controller is an mcc block device
[21:02] <davidrsmorris> yes, on my device it's mmcblk0
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[21:07] <davidrsmorris> So has anyone else had problems with DD not effectively transferring the image? That's why I was trying to use the NOOBS system...
[21:08] <shiftplusone> It's known to happen with dodgy card readers
[21:08] <davidrsmorris> that is super annoying; It's my onboard card reader on a Thinkpad.
[21:09] <shiftplusone> are you 'sync'ing after the write?
[21:09] <Jusii> I've written hundreds images with thinkpads built-in reader
[21:09] <Jusii> see dmesg
[21:09] <shiftplusone> Some people dd the image and yank the card out assuming it's written.
[21:09] <shiftplusone> Then wonder why the card doesn't boot.
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[21:10] <davidrsmorris> well, I don't know how I would sync after the write, since the write doesn't happen.
[21:10] <shiftplusone> Ah, so you get an error message then?
[21:10] <davidrsmorris> am I supposed to bg the dd and then run sync so it can work?
[21:10] <davidrsmorris> no, no error msessage, just no goddamn writing.
[21:10] <Jusii> copy&paste your dd command
[21:10] <shiftplusone> .... how long are you waiting when you dd ?
[21:11] <davidrsmorris> oh hey, I just noticed something strange
[21:11] <nerdboy> i would also log into a console rather than an X session
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[21:11] <Jusii> you're dd'ng it to /dev/mmcblk0
[21:11] <Jusii> and not sdX something
[21:11] <shiftplusone> How do you know it's not writing if there's no error message?
[21:12] <nerdboy> in a normal desktop it should be /dev/sdX
[21:12] <shiftplusone> it depends on the reader
[21:13] <shiftplusone> on the thinkpad, it should be mmcblk0, I am guessing.
[21:13] <nerdboy> if you're on a chromebook or the pi, then it's /dev/mmcblkX
[21:13] <davidrsmorris> hold up, http://pastebin.com/pzwjC3dF suggests it did write.
[21:13] <davidrsmorris> Even though I never saw the data moving with gkrellm.
[21:13] <shiftplusone> davidrsmorris, it sounds to me like you're cancelling the write before it's done.
[21:13] <nerdboy> the kernel / dmesg will tell you what it is
[21:14] <davidrsmorris> Yep, I'm quite confident that it/s mmcblk0, and I did cancel the write, because it doesn't move any data.
[21:14] <shiftplusone> davidrsmorris, again, how do you know? Just gkrellm?
[21:14] <davidrsmorris> Checked with dmesg, plus listing /dev before and after inserting the card.
[21:15] <Jusii> looks to me that it was writing
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[21:16] <shiftplusone> bah. davidrsmorris! Just don't do anything. Take the card out. Put it back in, make sure it's not mounted. Run the dd command and step 5 steps away from the computer for an hour. Come back and run sync. When that's done, take the card out.
[21:16] <Jusii> :)
[21:16] <shiftplusone> You don't have to take the 5 steps away and or wait an hour if you can trust yourself not to cancel the write.
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[21:16] <Jusii> 2nd that
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[21:18] <nerdboy> just make sure you're writing to the correct device...
[21:18] <davidrsmorris> Wow, there's something strange going on, since mmcblk0 is saying it's writing when I have no card in the computer.
[21:19] <Jusii> you were like 3 minutes short from complete write
[21:19] <nerdboy> the controller is builtin so the parent device is always there
[21:19] <Jusii> no, you're just creating new file in /dev/mmcbl0 ...
[21:19] <Jusii> it's not
[21:20] <Jusii> just checked
[21:20] <nerdboy> you want to make sure it sees a card, ie, something with partitions
[21:20] <Jusii> ls -l /dev/mmcblk0
[21:20] <shiftplusone> Why are you writing without the card inserted anyway?
[21:20] <Jusii> and you have a file in it place now
[21:20] <Jusii> but do what shiftplusone said 2 minutes ago
[21:20] <shiftplusone> well take the card out and delete the file you've written first
[21:21] <davidrsmorris> wow, ls -l /dev/mmcblk0 shows nothing while gkrellm is claiming writes.
[21:21] <nerdboy> if udev is confused you should probably reboot
[21:21] <Jusii> davidrsmorris: looking at your pastebin, it will take 666 seconds to complete
[21:21] * shiftplusone eats shoe in frustration and goes to do something else for a while.
[21:22] <Jusii> and forget those freakin gkrellms, if you want to monitor something, run top
[21:22] <Jusii> and just sit and wait
[21:22] <nerdboy> gkrellm works fine
[21:22] <nerdboy> you should need to point it the right device
[21:22] <Jusii> shurizzle: coming with you
[21:22] <Jusii> sorry, shiftplusone
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[21:23] <nerdboy> anyway, thinkpads must be weird, since every laptop have with a builtin card reader is dev/sdX
[21:23] <davidrsmorris> so top will look at device writes?
[21:23] <Jusii> no
[21:23] <Jusii> just cpu load
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[21:24] <Jusii> which writing to mmcblk takes plenty
[21:24] <nerdboy> mostly gentoo or debian, and no thinkpads in sight...
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[21:27] <Pinas> one question - if i want to switch a relay (5V) from a gpio pin - can i do that directly or do i need some part in the middle
[21:28] <shiftplusone> You will most likely require a transistor to switch the relay
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[21:28] <shiftplusone> unless the relay requires less than 16mA to activate.
[21:29] <Jusii> davidrsmorris: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-dd-command-show-progress-while-coping/ there's a progress bar for you
[21:29] <shiftplusone> Careful with that, it's not accurate.
[21:29] <Jusii> pv -tpreb /path/to/raspbian.img | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=4M
[21:29] <Jusii> :)
[21:30] <shiftplusone> It doesn't report how much is actually written, just how much has been read.
[21:30] <shiftplusone> iirc
[21:30] <Jusii> true
[21:30] <shiftplusone> if you must monitor, send the USR1 signal.
[21:30] <shiftplusone> or just forget it and let it do its thing.
[21:30] <Jusii> and should I add pv -tpreb /path/to/raspbian.img | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=4M ; sync
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[21:31] <shiftplusone> not paranoid enough for a sync; sync; sync ?
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[21:34] <davidrsmorris> Gonna go with repeated syncs, yeah. It takes suspiciously little time. Oh, and dd came back. Was working at 4x speed this time.
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[21:34] <shiftplusone> (more than 1 sync doesn't do anything)
[21:35] <sney> makes you feel better
[21:35] <sney> placebo effect
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[21:35] <shiftplusone> yup
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[21:39] <nerdboy> i can't take placebos... too many side-effects
[21:39] <sney> heh
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[21:47] <Habbie> hi there
[21:47] <Habbie> is there a trick to making c
[21:47] <Habbie> is there a trick to making gcompris usable?
[21:47] <Habbie> i lowered my hdmi resolution to 1280x800 but it stays very sluggish
[21:47] <Habbie> running raspbian via noobs
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[21:49] <sney> Habbie: if it relies on direct rendering then probably not
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[21:50] <davidrsmorris> hey, has anyone used a microsd card inside an sd-microsd adapter? That's what I've been doing and if it's horribly wrong, well then I should get an SD card.
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[21:50] <Habbie> sney, i'm not sure what it relies on
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[21:51] <sney> davidrsmorris: that may well be why it's so slow.
[21:51] <sney> a regular sd card is recommended
[21:51] <davidrsmorris> sney: are cheap ones from china sufficient?
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[21:52] <Habbie> sney, it uses gtk in any csae
[21:52] <Habbie> *case
[21:52] <sney> Habbie: there is no direct rendering driver for Xorg in raspbian, so all graphical desktop stuff is rendered in software. several video formats are accelerated but anything that's not is pretty slow
[21:52] <Habbie> ah
[21:52] <Habbie> i thought that was fixed
[21:52] <Habbie> any idea whether we can expect that?
[21:52] <sney> davidrsmorris: aiui, even the blue sandisk ones are from china
[21:52] <Habbie> or whether other dists have it?
[21:53] <sney> Habbie: I think some group is trying to reverse engineer it, but it's slow going. broadcom will not release the spec either
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[21:53] <Habbie> sney, bah. foundation doesn't care?
[21:53] <sney> it's not so much "caring" as it is being able to make and distribute that model in compliance with licensing.
[21:53] <sney> module, even
[21:53] <Habbie> i see
[21:54] <sney> once the reverse engineered driver is available, that can be free since it's not based on any confidential info from broadcom
[21:54] <Habbie> yeah
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[21:55] <davidrsmorris> are sd and sdhc the same thing?
[21:55] <Habbie> davidrsmorris, sd is up to 2gbyte; sdhc is bigger
[21:56] <XMLnewbi> so i got my touch screen working with xinput_calibrator-0.7.5/ although, everytime i reboot I have to calibrate again
[21:57] <Habbie> i recall there was a trick to run certain classes of apps (qt? gtk?) outside of x11, does this ring a bell for anyone?
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[21:58] <clever> Habbie: i think ive heard that qt can use the framebuffer, but i dont think the framebuffer ui has dri support yet
[21:58] <chithead> outside of x11? you can run them in xvfb for example
[21:58] <Habbie> clever, ah. so wouldn't help anyway
[21:58] <Habbie> chithead, xvfb is x11 without the output ;)
[21:58] <chithead> also qt-5 and gtk-3 have wayland support if enabled at build time
[21:58] <Habbie> does wayland help?
[21:59] <sney> all of that still comes back to needing hardware acceleration for what you're displaying
[21:59] <sney> and unless you can make the desktop into a h.264 stream...
[21:59] <Habbie> hehe
[21:59] <Habbie> i can if i run the app on some beefy box
[21:59] <sney> (which would be neat)
[21:59] <Habbie> defeating the point
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[22:00] <clever> sney: the ipad does exactly that to get video out over the tiny dock connector
[22:00] <clever> it compresses the entire screen to a video stream, pushes it out the dock
[22:01] <clever> then the hdmi adapter decodes it with an arm core, and handles hdmi
[22:01] <clever> it looks like crap, you can see compression artifacts on the once crisp text :P
[22:01] <clever> why cant the idiots just put a micro-hdmi connector on it like the sane android makers?
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[22:02] <sney> because they're apple and have to be special, I guess?
[22:02] <clever> yep
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[22:03] <clever> http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/1/4055758/why-does-apples-lightning-to-hdmi-adapter-have-an-arm-computer-inside
[22:03] <sney> same tech with a raspberry pi wouldn't need much compression, though
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[22:03] <clever> 256mb ram in the hdmi adapter, along with an arm core and h264 core
[22:03] <sney> since it wouldn't be retina resolution, just regular 1080p
[22:04] <clever> i dont think the hdmi adapter outputs 1080
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[22:04] <clever> sney: yeah, its 1600x900
[22:05] <clever> http://www.panic.com/blog/the-lightning-digital-av-adapter-surprise/ second image shows the mpeg artifacts
[22:05] <clever> 3rd actualy, mis-counted
[22:05] <sney> ok, so forget about apple and apply the same idea to a raspberry pi desktop. can we video stream-ize Xorg and accelerate it that way?
[22:05] <clever> you would still be doing software rendering to a video buffer
[22:06] <clever> then encoding that buffer
[22:06] <sney> hm, yeah
[22:06] <sney> drat
[22:06] <Habbie> there's hw encoding on the pi
[22:06] <clever> the only thing i can think of
[22:06] <Habbie> but i doubt the path makes sense
[22:06] <clever> abuse the h264 codec, to treat it as a painter
[22:06] <clever> find a way to make the h264 decoder draw rectangles on demand
[22:06] <Habbie> hehe
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[22:06] <Habbie> pixel-sized rectangles?
[22:06] <sney> that's probably similar to what the reverse engineer group is doing
[22:07] <Habbie> sounds like a lot of overhead
[22:07] <clever> then you create a series of commands, directly in h264, and the 264 decoder will draw things
[22:07] <clever> Habbie: na, the whole draw command, like draw a rectangle from xy to xy
[22:07] <Habbie> hmhm
[22:07] <clever> but you would need to know how h264 works internaly to even have a chance
[22:07] <clever> and keyframes would be tricky
[22:08] <davidrsmorris> ugh, is it bad if the md5sum of my image and device are different, or is tthere something that should be different between them?
[22:08] <Habbie> davidrsmorris, how did you get the md5sums of both?
[22:09] <davidrsmorris> md5sum image.img; sudo md5sum /dev/mmcblk0
[22:09] <Habbie> those will only match if your SD is exactly as big as the image
[22:09] <clever> davidrsmorris: if the system is running, it will have modified things
[22:09] <clever> and then it wont match
[22:09] <clever> and what Habbie said
[22:10] <Habbie> you can use dd to read the exact right amount from the SD and md5 that
[22:10] <Habbie> if you care
[22:11] <clever> but if you boot the system even once, it wont match, last-mod timestamps
[22:11] <Habbie> indeed
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[22:50] <bcgrown> http://elinux.org/Serial_port_programming#Step_2:_Test_with_Python_and_a_terminal_emulator <-- anyone been able to make this work? serial console works, but then I used the rpi-serial-console script to disable it and the python serial test does nada
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[22:53] <Serus> maybe /dev/ttyAMA0 has a different name? (Note that I have never given a try to this)
[22:53] <shiftplusone> nope ttyAMA0 is right
[22:54] <Serus> oh ok
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[22:57] <Serus> So I've been using deluge on my pi
[22:57] <Serus> Is that the right torrent client to go with?
[22:58] <shiftplusone> Isn't that the bloated java one?
[22:58] <bcgrown> deluge is hella bloated
[22:58] <bcgrown> i would try transmission-daemon
[22:58] <shiftplusone> I am an rtorrent fan.
[22:58] <shiftplusone> http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/howto-use-rtorrent-like-a-pro/
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[23:02] <Serus> wait it's Java?
[23:02] <shiftplusone> apparently not.
[23:02] <shiftplusone> python
[23:03] <Serus> oh
[23:03] <shiftplusone> I was thinking of vuze/azureus
[23:03] <Serus> I see
[23:03] <Serus> but I like how I can connect to the deamon from my laptop
[23:03] <shiftplusone> to transmission?
[23:03] <shiftplusone> through the web ui
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[23:04] <Serus> I installed deluge client on my laptop and connect to it via SSH
[23:05] <shiftplusone> I use ssh+screen+rtorrent, so I don't know the specifics or transmission.
[23:05] <bcgrown> Serus: transmission can do that too, but it's not as clunky as deluge
[23:05] <Serus> how is deluge clunky?
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[23:06] <bcgrown> Serus: last time i tried it, it was super slow
[23:06] <Serus> And please tell there is a way to transfer the checks of my torrents
[23:06] <Serus> it takes ages to hashcheck 21GB torrents
[23:07] <shiftplusone> if deluge works for you, stick with it.
[23:08] <Serus> well, it does slowdown the pi
[23:08] <Serus> if transmission isn't as resource intensive I'll probably switch
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[23:21] <Serus> how can I run the opengl ES examples over X11 tunnel?
[23:22] <shiftplusone> I don't think you can
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[23:24] <shiftplusone> Well, I know you couldn't a while back and I doubt it has changed.
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[23:25] <Serus> hmmm :/
[23:26] <Serus> I don't have a screen with hdmi input, also I don't have a usb keyboard
[23:26] <Serus> Our TV is like twice my age lol
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[23:26] <shiftplusone> Heh, not even composite?
[23:29] <Serus> scart only
[23:29] <Serus> but fuck the TV, I get like an instant headache when I look to a screen that shakes so much.
[23:30] * Serus hasn't watched TV for almost a year.
[23:30] <shiftplusone> Understandable, but mind the language (check the channel policy)
[23:35] <Serus> oh sorry about that
[23:36] <Conceited> Serus, like live television or even streamed content online?
[23:36] <Serus> I just watch anime
[23:36] <Conceited> Hah, that works :p
[23:36] <Serus> :D
[23:37] <Serus> So I have a little problem here (I think)
[23:37] <Serus> I have mingw installed, devkitpro (cross compiler for gamecube and wii) and now I'm planning on installing a crosscompiler for the pi.
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[23:38] <Serus> But wouldn't make use the wrong version when compiling stuff like boost?
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