#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-11-03

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[0:22] <shiftplusone> Serus, you have to specify which libs to use and take care to make sure the ARM environment is not contaminated by the x86 environment.
[0:22] <shiftplusone> (it's a pain)
[0:23] <shiftplusone> You end up having to use 50 different flags and 200 environment variables >_<
[0:25] <Serus> D:
[0:25] <Serus> why can't people make a QT project for all those libs?
[0:25] <Serus> that way I can just make a new compiler configuration
[0:27] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I hate it when the universe isn't organised around my needs.
[0:27] <Serus> ^
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> just compile on the Pi...
[0:28] <shiftplusone> Boost looks fairly simple to crosscompile though
[0:28] <shiftplusone> http://www.boost.org/boost-build2/doc/html/bbv2/tasks/crosscompile.html
[0:29] <shiftplusone> I am not sure why you need to though. Were you actually asking about linking against such libraries?
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[0:29] <Serus> gordonDrogon: I read that compiling boost on the pi takes 4 hours D:
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> time for a mug of tea then :)
[0:29] <shiftplusone> or a basin
[0:29] <Serus> lol
[0:29] <chithead> boost-1.52.0-r6: Wed Sep 18 10:37:10 2013: 3 hours, 40 minutes, 38 seconds
[0:30] <Serus> yeah...
[0:31] <Serus> not sure what's shorter, flag and environment vars hell or compiling it on the pi
[0:31] <ShorTie> naps are good for ya
[0:32] <shiftplusone> if all you need is boost, it looks fairly simple to cross-compile
[0:32] <shiftplusone> Why bother though? Surely it's in the repo already.
[0:33] <Serus> let's check
[0:33] <Serus> sudo apt-cache pkgnames boost gives me no output :(
[0:34] <shiftplusone> =/
[0:34] <shiftplusone> that seems odd
[0:35] <plugwash> I think you will find the package names start with libboost rather than boost
[0:35] <ShorTie> how about apt=cache search boost ??
[0:35] <shiftplusone> a bit of a search fail then?
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[0:36] <Serus> oh I thought pkgnames did the same as search (yes I AM bad)
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[0:37] <Serus> the latest version on the repo is 1.50 though
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[0:44] <plugwash> raspbian jessie has 1.54, not sure how well it would fit into a mostly wheezy environment though
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[0:45] * plugwash dreads to think how long boost would take to build on a Pi, it takes about 8 hours on an imx53
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[0:46] <Serus> plugwash: <chithead> boost-1.52.0-r6: Wed Sep 18 10:37:10 2013: 3 hours, 40 minutes, 38 seconds
[0:46] <chithead> it took 3 hours and 40 minutes on my pi running gentoo
[0:47] <chithead> (and that is a 256 mb model b)
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[0:49] <plugwash> hmm, either it's got a lot more bloated between 1.52 and 1.54 or the debian package builds are doing something that your build isn't (maybe running the testsuite or building optional components or something)
[0:50] <Serus> talking to me?
[0:50] <chithead> I do not build the debug stuff
[0:50] <plugwash> yeah
[0:51] <Serus> well I haven't ran all the updates yet
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[0:52] <Serus> should I do a dist-upgrade?
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[0:57] <saedelaere> I have a question about crosscompiling for raspberry pi running raspbian. I want to use a toolchain with gcc 4.8.2 taken from here http://tuxamito.com/wiki/index.php/Cross-compile_toolchains
[0:57] <saedelaere> will this run on the raspberry pi with rasbian wheezy?
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[0:58] <saedelaere> I mean will the binary ron on the pi?
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[0:58] <saedelaere> I did quite a lot c++ development so far but never cross compiled
[0:58] <chithead> there can be problems if the glibc in the toolchain is newer than on the target system
[0:59] <saedelaere> ah ok, thats what I feared
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[0:59] <saedelaere> the glibc in the toolchain is much newer
[1:00] <Serus> recompile glibc?
[1:00] <Serus> or statically link to it?
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[1:02] <Serus> statically linking glibc is possible right?
[1:03] <chithead> yes, but then you need to statically link everything
[1:03] <saedelaere> Serus: recompile glibc for wheezy? that could be quite a task
[1:03] <chithead> glibc-2.15-r3: Fri Oct 26 11:29:01 2012: 4 hours, 28 minutes, 51 seconds
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[1:06] <Serus> chithead: why? O.o
[1:08] <saedelaere> chithead: what version of glibc is this? did you recompile it yourself?
[1:08] <chithead> this was built on gentoo with emerge
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[1:13] <saedelaere> ok I will try with complete static linking
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[1:13] <saedelaere> but I just found out that archlinux (which I already use on the desktop) support the pi
[1:14] <saedelaere> in this case latest c++11 support would be no problem :)
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[1:17] <Serus> arch is available for the pi?
[1:19] <chithead> see http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads for a list of officially recommended distros. http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions for an unofficial one
[1:20] <[Saint]> Serus: yes.
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[1:23] <Serus> I see
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[2:03] <Serus> Is it alright if I ask a question about which linux distro is best suited for my needs here? ##linux is/was in a distro war atm.
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[2:08] <plugwash> Sure
[2:09] <plugwash> though don't expect an unbiased answer, most linux experts tend to learn a distro family and then stick with it, truth is they all have their warts but much better the warts you know than the warts you don't
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[2:11] <Serus> I'm looking for a distro that is not commercial, well supported, suitable for programming and preferably uses the gnome desktop interface (because it's pretty and I like it)
[2:11] <Serus> sorry not gnome, I mean cinnamon
[2:11] <Serus> not sure why I wrote gnome
[2:12] <chithead> you find cinnamon packaged for almost any modern distro
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[2:13] <shiftplusone> Ah good, those requirements narrow your options down to 'any distro'.
[2:13] <malcom2073> Heh
[2:13] <malcom2073> Serus: What package manager do you prefer?
[2:14] <malcom2073> (Be aware, you'll get 10 different answers to your question)
[2:14] <malcom2073> Everyone has a favorite :P
[2:15] <Serus> lol and here I am thinking that my requirements actually narrowed stuff down :p
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[2:15] <Serus> malcom2073: question too hard, am a linux noob
[2:15] <malcom2073> Tbh, everything you listed is available in all the most popular distros
[2:15] <malcom2073> like, 20 of them
[2:15] <Serus> well I can manage with setting stuff up on my pi, but I am still new to linux in general
[2:16] <malcom2073> You know what a livecd is?
[2:16] <Serus> yes
[2:16] <malcom2073> Go download a bunch and give them a shot?
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[2:16] <malcom2073> I know linux mint comes with cinnamon, so give that one a shot
[2:16] <Serus> but doesn't the cinnamon requirement take away atleast a few results?
[2:17] <Serus> yeah, but I got told I shouldn't use a distro that's a fork of a fork
[2:17] <sney> cinnamon is in debian now, but cinnamon won't work on the raspberry pi
[2:17] <malcom2073> That limits you to.... 2 distros. Neither of which come with cinnamon out of the box
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[2:17] <sney> at least, not in any way you'd like
[2:18] <malcom2073> Are you looking for something with cinnamon out of the box, or are you willing to install it? It's not hard to install
[2:18] <Serus> sney: This is for my laptop, not for the pi, that's why I asked in advance
[2:18] <malcom2073> you "got told", by someone in ##linux? heh
[2:18] <sney> ok
[2:18] <sney> well, cinnamon is in debian now, so use that
[2:18] <sney> eod
[2:18] <Serus> well I probably should've mentioned the laptop part
[2:18] <sney> this is a weird channel to ask for non-rpi related things
[2:18] <malcom2073> sney: Read up, he asked to ask, we said sure :P
[2:19] <Serus> I asked it here, because ##linux got in a distro war
[2:19] <sney> I didn't say he shouldn't, I just said it's weird
[2:19] <sney> weird is okay
[2:19] <sney> ##linux does that
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[2:19] <Serus> malcom2073: yes I "got told"
[2:20] <malcom2073> You'll get "told" lots of things while in ##linux, I tend to avoid asking questions in there. Too abrasive, not helpful enough.
[2:20] <Serus> I see
[2:20] <sney> I used to help out in ##linux, back in '05 or so
[2:20] * sney fondles his cane
[2:20] <sney> it was crazy then too, though
[2:20] <malcom2073> But yeah, go download the linux mint livecd, check it out, make sure oyu really like cinnamon
[2:20] <Serus> that's 8 years ago lol, I was 10 back in the time
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[2:21] <malcom2073> if it works for you, install it. If not, but you still like cinnamon, try out another distro and install cinnamon
[2:21] <malcom2073> Man I feel old.
[2:21] <Serus> malcom2073: I used it in the past on my desktop
[2:21] <malcom2073> And I'm not even 30 yet! :(
[2:21] <malcom2073> What is more important to you: stability, or new packages/libraries?
[2:21] <Serus> Do you know Makulu linux?
[2:21] <malcom2073> I do not, googling now :P
[2:22] <Serus> I see, a friend of mine made it.
[2:22] <sney> (fyi, debian testing is a good middle ground between stability/good support and OMG THE NEWEST STUFF)
[2:22] <Serus> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1
[2:22] <sney> if you're relatively comfortable asking questions on IRC anyway
[2:22] <malcom2073> True, but even testing tends to break fairly often, much moreso than something like mint
[2:22] <Serus> it's on number 4 if you sort on "last week"
[2:23] <malcom2073> I tend to stay away from smaller distros for the most part
[2:23] <malcom2073> Mainly because of lack of obscure package support in the repos heh
[2:23] <sney> right, and the smaller support network
[2:24] <Serus> what does being on spot number 4 on distro watch (sorted on last week) mean to you?
[2:24] <sney> absolutely balls
[2:24] <malcom2073> Means a lot of people have been downloading it lately I guess?
[2:24] <malcom2073> not using it, just downloading it
[2:24] <sney> it means some people think it's cool RIGHT NOW
[2:24] <sney> maybe there was a press release somewhere
[2:24] <sney> the pentesting distros go through cycles of it too
[2:24] <malcom2073> i use linux for work, I don't really like tinkering nowadays heh
[2:25] <malcom2073> I have to do enough tinkering with all these small ARM boards :/
[2:25] <malcom2073> to make things work
[2:25] <malcom2073> I want my desktop to just work!
[2:25] <Serus> well Jacque Raymer, my friend who made it, made it because he thought current distos are too complicated for the everyday user.
[2:25] <Serus> as mentioned on distrowatch, it's for the everyday user.
[2:26] <sney> ah, reinventing the wheel, and later making it more complicated as he goes and realizes more features are needed
[2:26] <Serus> "MakuluLinux is a Debian-based distribution providing a sleek, smooth and stable user experience on any computer. It includes pre-installed multimedia codecs, device drivers and software for everyday use. "
[2:26] <sney> this is EXACTLY how ubuntu started
[2:26] <Serus> I see
[2:26] <sney> from "it's so easy, your grandparents can do it too!" to "slightly different release goals from debian, but basically the same animal in most respects"
[2:27] <Serus> malcom2073: well (complete) c++11 support is a requirement too.
[2:27] <malcom2073> isn't that more the DE's job?
[2:27] <malcom2073> Eh, I guess it's a matter of what tools are installed
[2:27] <sney> of course, but why roll a custom DE configuration and distribute a blend when you can fork your own pointless distro
[2:28] <sney> distros for everyone! hooray!
[2:28] <malcom2073> horray!
[2:28] <malcom2073> LFS!
[2:28] <Serus> I remember a xkcd on that
[2:28] <sney> the one about competing standards?
[2:28] <malcom2073> http://xkcd.com/927/
[2:28] <malcom2073> that one
[2:28] <malcom2073> I have it bookmarked for IRC heh
[2:28] <sney> yes, that is exactly what your friend is doing. maybe you can stop him before it's too late
[2:28] <Serus> http://xkcd.com/927/
[2:29] <Conceited> I still have an xkcd get script.
[2:29] <Conceited> Somewhere, anyway.
[2:29] <malcom2073> Psh, those are so 2010
[2:29] <Conceited> heh
[2:30] <Serus> He is basically adding a GUI to everything you need as an everyday user.
[2:30] <Serus> Because terminals are damn hard
[2:30] <malcom2073> Why not do that on top of a well supported and maintained distro? You know... contribute :P
[2:30] <sney> a) no they aren't, and b) why did he make a whole distro just to do that
[2:30] <sney> yes, exactly
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[2:30] <Serus> no idea
[2:30] <malcom2073> I disagree with that, terminals are hard for windows users.
[2:31] <malcom2073> most*
[2:31] <sney> there's a learning curve, but "damn hard" is a stretch to say the least
[2:31] <Serus> I wouldn't trust my mother with a terminal
[2:31] <malcom2073> My mom is a sysadmin. Her mother on the other hand.
[2:31] <Serus> I mean, they are hard for a person who is not keen with a computer.
[2:32] <Serus> malcom2073: I'm a windows user and I love the terminal :p
[2:32] <malcom2073> Makului is 32bit only?
[2:33] <Serus> yes, because PEA he told me
[2:33] <Serus> PAE*
[2:33] <malcom2073> RAM size limits aren't the only difference between 32 and 64bit....
[2:33] <Serus> he's hard to argue with :p
[2:33] <malcom2073> Most people who roll their own distros are :P
[2:34] <malcom2073> Anywho, that scratches it permanently off my list unfortunatly
[2:34] <malcom2073> There are a few stubborn developers I work with, who only have packages for their stuff for 64bit :/
[2:34] <Serus> well atleast he didn't have a godcomplex like a guy who took on the team.
[2:34] <Serus> who he took*
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[2:34] <Serus> I was like, we should write clean C++ code and stay away from the C library.
[2:35] <Serus> And he wrote some shitty C/C++ hybrid code, so I told him on that
[2:35] <Serus> and later he told me he would continue writing shit code like that, just to piss me off.
[2:36] <mythos> i never saw clean c++ code
[2:36] <mythos> it depends so much on the developer... too much for my taste
[2:36] <Serus> that's true
[2:36] <malcom2073> [21:41:10] <Serus> and later he told me he would continue writing shit code like that, just to piss me off.
[2:36] <malcom2073> LOL
[2:37] <chithead> be careful about the language, ops are trigger happy
[2:37] <malcom2073> Was he like... 16?
[2:37] <Serus> Ryzom (open source crossplatform MMORPG) is pretty well written imo
[2:37] <mythos> you have an infinite toolbox witch c++ to shoot yourself in the foot
[2:37] <Serus> malcom2073: sadly he was like 25 at the time.
[2:37] <Serus> and I was 16~17?
[2:38] <malcom2073> Heh wow.
[2:38] <Serus> I had to explain to most of them how OO works.
[2:39] <Serus> We were going to work on a server for a game (private server)
[2:39] <plugwash> C++ gives you a massive toolkit, the question is which bits to use, trying to use all of it will probablly drive you insane
[2:39] <plugwash> I don't think there is anything wrong per-se with writing "C with classes"
[2:39] <Serus> not to mention that unicode can be a pain in the back
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[2:40] <Serus> plugwash: not going to comment on that for the sake of avoiding shitty arguments.
[2:40] <chithead> here is linus torvalds' opinion on c++ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57643/focus=57918
[2:41] <Serus> lol
[2:41] <Serus> I disagree with linus
[2:41] <sney> a calm and reasonable sort, linus
[2:42] * plugwash does too
[2:42] <plugwash> IMO large projects in c often end up reinventing parts of c++ badly
[2:42] <Serus> I'm not saying C is bad, I'm saying that you shouldn't make a bad mix of both C and C++
[2:43] <[Saint]> ..yet he still has his dedicated following of crying neckbeards.
[2:43] <[Saint]> The guy amazes me.
[2:43] <[Saint]> If anyone can be that successful, whilst being that much of a dick, they're doing something right.
[2:43] <Serus> When I'm starting my visual novel engine I'm writing a wrapper for C's file handlers
[2:44] <malcom2073> There are lots of really successful really asshole people
[2:44] <Serus> mainly because std::fstream doesn't support unicode filenames
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[2:44] <plugwash> It doesn't help that different platforms have different ideas of what a filename is
[2:45] <sney> linus's passion is valuable. I'd hate to use a kernel that I developed, but I know with that much fire he's really got something, he really cares about the integrity of what he does
[2:45] <sney> his passion is also hilarious sometimes, and I'd probably hate him as a person if I had to work with him
[2:45] <plugwash> on unix platforms a filename is fundamentally a sequence of bytes, the OS and low level APIs don't care what those bytes mean.
[2:45] <plugwash> (other than a few that are used as delimeters)
[2:46] <plugwash> whereas on windows a filename is fundamentaly a sequence of UTF-16 code units
[2:46] <Serus> plugwash: I mean what if a user decides to install it in C:\圭太\Games
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[2:48] <Serus> plugwash: that depends on the filepath, if it doesn't contain you can get the filename as ascii fine.
[2:48] <sney> you make it chroot into its own base directory and ignore anything ../ ?
[2:49] <plugwash> Yep, as I said on windows a filename is a sequence of UTF-16 code units while the 8-bit APIs that windows provides work in sequences of a legacy encoding that can't represent all unicode characters so you have a problem.
[2:49] <Serus> yes
[2:49] <Serus> and that's the problem with std::fstream
[2:49] <Serus> it only supports ascii filenames
[2:51] <Serus> malcom2073: anyway I guess I'll just go with mint then
[2:52] <sney> make it lmde if you don't want fork-of-a-fork
[2:52] <Serus> lmde?
[2:52] <plugwash> Yeah, i'm just saying it's a windows mess, not anything to do with C vs C++
[2:52] <sney> linux mint debian edition
[2:52] <sney> no ubuntu allowed
[2:53] <Serus> well I "got told" it's bad to use a fork of a fork on ##linux
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[2:53] <Serus> is it very different?
[2:53] * Serus checls
[2:53] <Serus> checks*
[2:53] <chithead> windows mostly uses ucs-2 rather than utf-16
[2:53] <plugwash> well UTF-16 is an extension of ucs-2
[2:53] <chithead> which is why it has problems with filename characters outside bmp
[2:54] <plugwash> and I thought windows had support for it but I could be wrong
[2:54] <Serus> windows uses UTF-16
[2:54] <plugwash> (not that most people care about characters outside the BMP.........)
[2:54] <Serus> I do
[2:54] <chithead> 💩
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[2:54] <Serus> I hate it when I get ascii garbage instead of japanese characters
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[2:55] <chithead> most japanese characters are inside bmp. emoji aren't however
[2:55] <Serus> also what's BMP?
[2:55] <chithead> basic multilingual plane
[2:55] <Serus> I see
[2:56] <Serus> if only we could all use UTF-8
[2:56] <chithead> the characters below u+ffff
[2:56] <Serus> then my life would probably be complete
[2:56] <chithead> no, we all have to use utf-16be, or else!!
[2:57] <plugwash> does anyone use utf-16be?
[2:57] <Serus> wow distrowatch, stop redirecting me to http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint when I search for linux mint debian edition
[2:58] <sney> just skip distrowatch and go to their website
[2:59] <sney> http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
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[2:59] <Serus> wait
[2:59] <Serus> "no EFI"
[2:59] <Serus> Will this work on my stubborn laptop?
[3:00] <sney> that's seriously weird, since debian has supported efi at least since the most recent stable
[3:00] <Serus> I mean it refuses to boot in grub after installing mint
[3:00] <Serus> after installing scientific linux*
[3:00] <sney> what laptop?
[3:00] <Serus> Asus K95VM
[3:00] <Serus> yv7****
[3:01] <Serus> http://us.hardware.info/productinfo/158162/asus-k95vm-yz007v
[3:02] <Serus> Are you kidding me? This site is so bad, it still shows some parts in dutch after switching to english
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[3:04] <sney> haha, I found it on the asus site
[3:04] <sney> hey, this nvidia 630m, is that optimus? the dual intel/nvidia gpu?
[3:05] <Serus> I think so
[3:05] <taza> Optimus doesn't work under Linux anyhoot
[3:05] <taza> 630M very likely is Optimus
[3:05] <Serus> I do have intel and nvidia
[3:05] <Serus> so, no linux for me? :(
[3:05] <taza> Or, it works, but the Nvidia one is running all the time anyway.
[3:05] <taza> Nah
[3:06] <taza> Just, you don't get the Optimus battery advantage.
[3:06] * Serus prefers to run the nvidia card all the time though
[3:06] <sney> yeah it's half-dysfunctional
[3:06] <sney> and it depends on your bios
[3:06] <taza> Except that you don't get the choice under Windows
[3:06] <Serus> since hardware accelaration is disable for mediaplayers under windows >.>
[3:06] <taza> Under Windows Optimus turns on when it prefers to.
[3:07] <sney> if your bios allows the nvidia one to just run all the time and be the only gpu, then great, linux can work with that
[3:07] <Serus> like when trying to watch 4K video
[3:07] <Serus> it does not :/
[3:07] <sney> then you've got intel
[3:07] <Serus> it doesn't even allow for me to take controll over my fans
[3:07] <sney> or, you've got this really broken thing called "bumblebee" for switching
[3:07] <taza> I think then you've got Nvidia, actually.
[3:07] <sney> taza: it varies wildly from laptop to laptop
[3:08] <taza> Yeah, fair enough.
[3:08] <taza> I've heard the more common situation is that the Intel is inaccessible and Nvidia is running.
[3:08] <Serus> well I'm going to remove the scifi linux partition anyhow
[3:08] <sney> and I've heard the opposite, so the reality is probably between
[3:08] <sney> GREAT NEWS: nvidia has decided to support optimus under linux, after previously saying they would never do it
[3:08] <sney> but
[3:08] <sney> it's not out yet.
[3:09] <Serus> as it's commercial it seems
[3:09] <Serus> and old old old
[3:09] <sney> scientific linux is intended for, well, scientists
[3:09] <sney> I know a chemistry Ph.D candidate who uses it extensively for insane calculations and stuff
[3:09] <Serus> programming is a form of science imo
[3:09] <sney> it's pretty far removed from desktop use and coding, though
[3:10] <sney> you're right but the use case is still different
[3:10] <plugwash> scientific linux is mostly a rhel rebuild, similar to centos but with slightly different goals
[3:10] <plugwash> good if you want long support periods and can tolerate outdated software, not so good if you want the lastest stuff
[3:10] <sney> oh, right. I kind of knew that.
[3:10] <Serus> is there something like gparted I can run on windows?
[3:11] <Serus> little information on the windows device manager
[3:11] <Serus> I'm not sure what this 2GB partition is.
[3:11] <chithead> windows has volume management. but if necessary, better run gparted live cd
[3:11] <Serus> but then I need to reboot
[3:11] <sney> right click on my computer and hit 'manage' and there's a manage disks thing in there somewhere, but it can't detect non-windows partition types
[3:11] <Serus> which is a thing I hate
[3:12] <sney> if you have a non-windows partition that you don't know what it is, and it might have been created by a linux installer, and it's about 2x your physical ram, it's swap
[3:12] <Serus> sney: using that atm, but there is a 2GB partition leading to my 98GB linux partition
[3:12] <sney> right next to your linux partition and definitely not your windows loader partition?
[3:13] <sney> it's swap.
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[3:13] <plugwash> IME if it's before the main linux partition it's probablly a linux boot partition, if it's after the main linux partition it's probablly a linux swap partition
[3:13] <plugwash> but if you care about what is on the system i'd check before blowing it away
[3:13] <[Saint]> a 2GB /booty partition?
[3:13] <[Saint]> hehehe...booty
[3:13] <Serus>
[3:14] <[Saint]> Why on earth would anyone need a 2GB /boot partition?
[3:14] <[Saint]> And, what even installs a boot partition by default these days still that isn;t the raspi? :)
[3:15] <sney> these are valid questions
[3:15] <plugwash> I guess it's not impossible for it to be swap, it's just most setups i've seen put the swap AFTER the main partition
[3:16] <Serus> is gparted on the mint live usb?
[3:16] <plugwash> I wonder if it's a setup with a 2GB root partition and then large /usr and /home partitions?
[3:16] <Serus> that could be it
[3:16] <Serus> I've been fiddling with it a bit
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[3:19] <Serus> so should I go with LMDE or plain mint?
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[3:19] <Serus> I prefer the more stable of the 2
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[3:24] <Serus> still here malcom2073?
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[3:36] <sney> Serus: you might not see any practical difference between them
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[3:38] <Serus> ok
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[3:38] <Serus> just downloaded LMDE
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[3:41] <Serus> gotta love pendrive linux :)
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[4:01] <UnaClocker> Man Raspbmc pisses me off with it's incessant updating everytime I have the misfortune of rebooting the thing.
[4:01] <UnaClocker> Oh, you wanted to watch something? Wait 20 minutes and force a reboot 3 times because it stops responding.
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[4:05] <Serus> why would one watch movies on a pi?
[4:06] <[Saint]> $35 HD set-top-box?
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[4:13] <almostworking> i have a Pi running rasplex, its epic. Serus
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[4:18] <Serus> rasplex?
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[4:22] <Phosie> I still haven't got raspbmc on my pi :-(
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[4:23] <Triffid_Hunter> Serus: why wouldn't you? it's the cheapest thing I've seen that can play 1080p video over a network
[4:24] <Serus> O.o
[4:24] <almostworking> Serus, its a build of Plex for raspberry pi
[4:24] <Serus> I stream from my pi to my laptop
[4:24] <almostworking> so its a thin client for plex server, but it has the same UI as the old school full featured OSX only version
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[4:25] <Serus> Idk what plex is
[4:25] <almostworking> http://rasplex.com/
[4:25] <almostworking> oh, its a media server application, forked from XBMC yrs ago.
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[4:25] <almostworking> http://www.plexapp.com/
[4:25] <almostworking> the URLs can tell u more then i can via text i suspect
[4:26] <almostworking> its great, when u have a giant media libary, tons of meta data, lots of nice eye candy. lots of platforms.
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[4:28] <Serus> I see
[4:28] <Serus> So you watch it via the pi huh
[4:30] <almostworking> yep.
[4:30] <almostworking> main computer is the media server, and i have various thin client.s
[4:30] <almostworking> its the future, no more full on computers for each TV.
[4:30] <almostworking> the UI for plex is lovely, XBMC is pretty nice too, im just a plex fan, for yrs now,
[4:31] <almostworking> rasplex ( the pi ) handles high bit rate, 1080p no problem.
[4:31] <almostworking> and in most cases , server has to do no transcoding. which is better then some of my other clients i have used.
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[4:37] <XMLnewbi> Man, Im still not able to get xinput_calibrator to store the settings. It works just fine, then after reboot it needs to get set again.
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[5:02] <uniqdom> gordonDrogon: sorry to be so annoying... I have solved the mcp3422 issue in your wiringPi library... I will send you an email tomorrow
[5:02] <uniqdom> :)
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[5:42] <UnaClocker> Found the place where I turn off auto updates in RaspBMC finally. That'll make reboots more pleasant.
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[6:42] <JoeyJoeJo> How can I start XBMC when my raspberry pi boots?
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[7:56] <azizLIGHTS> i want to buy a raspberry pi, but i read that some people sell bad power adaptors that will choke the pi. is this true?
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[10:05] <Kolmogorov> Hello everyone. Noob here. I have a Model B, a laptop running Ubuntu, a network cable and an SD card with NOOBS installed. How can I get my RPi up and running with the least hassle? Rasbian would be fine.
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[10:10] <Kolmogorov> I'll try again; I have a Model B, a laptop running Ubuntu, a network cable and an SD card with NOOBS installed. How can I get my RPi up and running with the least hassle? Rasbian would be fine.
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[10:28] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, retrying after 5 minutes is a bit pointless
[10:28] <Kolmogorov> Righto.
[10:28] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, also, your question is unclear
[10:28] <Kolmogorov> I'm getting help on another channel
[10:28] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, what's keeping you from just booting it up?
[10:28] <Habbie> oh good :)
[10:29] <Kolmogorov> But thanks.
[10:29] <Habbie> np :)
[10:29] <Nefarious___> Kolmogorov: its IRC, expect a wait. most people will be busy or asleep
[10:29] <Kolmogorov> Noted.
[10:29] <Nefarious___> :)
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[10:34] <segfaulter> I am getting "INIT: PANIC: segmentation violation! sleeping for 30 seconds" when I boot.
[10:34] <linuxstb> Kolmogorov: Do you have a keyboard and monitor/TV ?
[10:34] <segfaulter> I have unplugged all other devices except for HDMI, and SD. I am running raspian (or whatever the debian variant is called)
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[10:35] <Kolmogorov> linuxstb: Nope, that's the challenge. Right now, I've been linked to http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?&t=50270, a Raspbian autoinstaller.
[10:35] <Kolmogorov> So I can install blindly, if you will.
[10:36] <segfaulter> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I don't know what is causing the segfault.
[10:36] <linuxstb> Kolmogorov: I would just download the normal Raspbian image, write that to an SD card, and boot it. You don't need a display or keyboard for that. I'm not sure what that "autoinstaller" adds to that.
[10:36] <Habbie> segfaulter, has it stopped working or is this your first try?
[10:36] <Habbie> linuxstb, will that fire up SSH?
[10:37] <segfaulter> Habbie: it has stopped working. I can't boot now.
[10:37] <Kolmogorov> linuxstb, apparently it's just an edited cmdline.txt and preseed.cfg
[10:37] <Habbie> segfaulter, did you do anything, like an upgrade/
[10:37] <segfaulter> Habbie: No.
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[10:37] <segfaulter> I use it as a small server, and haven't done anything.
[10:37] <Habbie> segfaulter, was your last shutdown weird? (pulling the power cord, or a crash, instead of a normal shutdown?)
[10:37] <segfaulter> Habbie: Yes. The last shut down was when I couldn't ssh
[10:38] <segfaulter> It gave me write failed, broken pipe when I tried to ssh
[10:38] <linuxstb> Habbie: Yes, Raspbian enables ssh by default.
[10:38] <segfaulter> So I replugged.
[10:38] <Habbie> linuxstb, neat
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[10:38] <segfaulter> no software updates
[10:39] <Habbie> segfaulter, anything above the INIT: PANIC: line?
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[10:39] <segfaulter> "INIT: version 2.888 booting"
[10:39] <segfaulter> 2.88*
[10:39] <segfaulter> "Freeing init memory: 128K" above that.
[10:40] <Kolmogorov> linuxstb, are you saying I can just put the .img file on the SD card, plug it into the Pi, connect the Pi to a router, power it up, and it will do the rest?
[10:40] <Kolmogorov> Or do I need to ssh into it from the laptop?
[10:41] <linuxstb> Kolmogorov: Yes. "put the .img file on the SD card" means using dd though, not just copying it normally. But yes, to do anything on it, you will then use ssh from your laptop.
[10:41] <Kolmogorov> Ok, is there a guide for that?
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[10:41] <linuxstb> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Using_the_Linux_command_line
[10:42] <Habbie> segfaulter, sucks :( i don't have any idea other than "perhaps your SD card broke"
[10:42] <Habbie> segfaulter, do you have another SD card?
[10:42] <Kolmogorov> linuxstb, thanks.
[10:42] <linuxstb> Kolmogorov: Note that the filename of the Raspbian image is out of date on that page - the latest is 2013-09-25-wheezy-raspbian.zip
[10:42] <segfaulter> Habbie: :( I doubt it's my sd card, it reads fine and fsck says it's clean
[10:42] <Habbie> segfaulter, fsck doesn't mean a lot
[10:42] <segfaulter> but I do have another
[10:42] <segfaulter> wat should I do?
[10:43] <Kolmogorov> linuxstb, yes, that's the one I dld.
[10:43] <segfaulter> I'd really like to avoid having to configure everything again (fstab, my packages, server), etc
[10:43] <Kolmogorov> *downloaded.
[10:43] <Habbie> segfaulter, image raspbian onto the other - if that works, we know that your pi isn't broken, which is a good start
[10:43] <segfaulter> okay
[10:45] <segfaulter> 577 MB? ouch, terribly slow internet here
[10:47] <linuxstb> For testing, you could try something else - e.g. OpenElec is much smaller.
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[10:48] <Kolmogorov> Strange, using "sudo dd bs=4M if=~/Downloads/2013-09-25-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdb3" I get a "No space left on device error". The SD card is 64 GB, empty.
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[10:48] <linuxstb> Don't use sdb3, just use sdb. But are you sure sdb is your SD card?
[10:49] <Kolmogorov> linuxstb, that's what "df -h" says.
[10:50] <Habbie> if df -h says things
[10:50] <Habbie> dd is not a valid next step
[10:50] <Habbie> SD needs to be unmounted
[10:50] <Kolmogorov> Oh.
[10:50] <Kolmogorov> Oh right.
[10:50] <Kolmogorov> Accidentally skipped that step.
[10:50] <linuxstb> And then change your dd command to use "of=/dev/sdb".
[10:50] <Kolmogorov> Ok.
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[10:57] <Kolmogorov> All right, the image is dd'ed onto the SD card, I have now plugged in to the Pi, and powered it on. So I'm just waiting for like, 5 minutes now, right?
[10:57] <Habbie> is it connected to your network?
[10:57] <Habbie> via the utp cable?
[10:57] <segfaulter> how reliable is the pi?
[10:58] <segfaulter> if you run it 24x7, should you expect it to last a year?
[10:58] <Habbie> segfaulter, yes
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[10:58] <segfaulter> Habbie: ok.. I'm stumped on why my pi suddenly broke then.
[10:58] <mrmoney2012> hi guys. i want to hack my 433mhz doorbell- you know the sort of thing
[10:58] <Habbie> segfaulter, other SD broken too?
[10:59] <mrmoney2012> have opened her up and checking it but wondering if i can do it without additional kit. i.e. just the pi and the doorbell receiver (the one with the speaker in it)
[10:59] <mrmoney2012> possible?
[10:59] <segfaulter> Habbie: no, I'm still downloading.
[10:59] <Habbie> segfaulter, ah
[10:59] <Habbie> segfaulter, don't jump to conclusions :)
[10:59] <segfaulter> ok :S
[10:59] <mrmoney2012> the speaker gets a voltage across it obviously when the doorbell is pushed... can you detect this on pi PGIO ?
[10:59] <Kolmogorov> linuxstb, I need the IP address of the RPi and a username of RPi user to ssh. Do you know how I get that?
[10:59] <mrmoney2012> GPIO
[11:00] <Habbie> mrmoney2012, should be a pretty simple circuit
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[11:00] <Habbie> mrmoney2012, i bet there are guides for it
[11:00] <mrmoney2012> i thought so can i send a picture ?
[11:00] <linuxstb> Kolmogorov: Username is "pi", password "raspberry". For the IP address, does your router's web interface show connected devices?
[11:00] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, pi / raspberry
[11:00] <mrmoney2012> i googled but no luck so far
[11:00] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, for IP, check router or use nmap -sP from your ubuntu
[11:00] <Kolmogorov> Ah, great.
[11:00] <mrmoney2012> but how doe th pi detect the button press
[11:00] <mrmoney2012> the receiver takes 2x AA batts
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[11:01] <mrmoney2012> bit worried i might fry a pi in this exercise!
[11:01] <Kolmogorov> Um, Habbie, using "nmap -sP" I need to specify a target. What's the target?
[11:02] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, what's the IP and netmask of your ubuntu?
[11:02] <linuxstb> Kolmogorov: Or firstly, just try using "raspberrypi" as the host name. i.e. ssh pi@raspberrypi
[11:02] <Habbie> good call, might work with some routers
[11:02] <mrmoney2012> Mrs money not massively pleased by lack of doorbell at present!
[11:02] <Habbie> i wish raspbian came with avahi preinstalled :)
[11:03] <linuxstb> Kolmogorov: But before you try all this, what LEDs are lit on your Pi? That should tell you if it booted OK.
[11:03] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, writing ifconfig in the terminal, under eth1 I read: "inet addr: Bcast: Mask:". Is that what I need?
[11:03] <Kolmogorov> linuxstb, only the red one.
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[11:04] <linuxstb> Kolmogorov: Then it didn't work...
[11:04] <Kolmogorov> Damn.
[11:04] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, yes - for when your leds are okay, this means nmap -sP is useful
[11:04] <mrmoney2012> Habble - you recon i can do the job without additional components
[11:05] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, this mean "Check for all IP's on my network?"
[11:05] <Habbie> mrmoney2012, from what i read (and i'm not an electronics guy!) you should get a few components to isolate things
[11:05] <Kolmogorov> *means
[11:05] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, yes, it means ping them all and report bak
[11:05] <Habbie> *back
[11:05] <Kolmogorov> Ok.
[11:06] <Kolmogorov> Any tips on how I get "the leds" to work? Meaning, how do I get the install to work?
[11:06] <Kolmogorov> Should I try the autoinstaller thingy again?
[11:06] <Habbie> silly question
[11:06] <mrmoney2012> i'm prepared to be risky... just not sure how to translate the button press to the GPIO pin and detecting...
[11:06] <Habbie> do you have a usb serial adapter?
[11:06] <Habbie> (you=kolmo)
[11:06] <Kolmogorov> Oh
[11:06] <mrmoney2012> i have rigged up button switches to GPIO before - works well - but this is different
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[11:06] <mrmoney2012> i guess i am looking for a voltage change
[11:07] <mrmoney2012> like the bit that powers the speaker maybe
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[11:07] <mrmoney2012> i have tested that with a voltmeter and i see two points on the circuit board that go up from 0 when the chime is playing
[11:08] <Habbie> mrmoney2012, sounds like a good connection point
[11:08] <Habbie> mrmoney2012, but get an electronics expert to help you connect it to the pi safely
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[11:09] <mrmoney2012> well yes - that's the thing... it's then a case of checking for that voltage change on the GPIO i guess.
[11:09] <mrmoney2012> i imagine i can power it off the pi 3volts instead of the 2xAA batts also
[11:10] <Habbie> i'm pretty sure pi is not designed to feed anything
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[11:12] <Kolmogorov> Sigh, someone pulled the plug on my router..
[11:12] <mrmoney2012> hehe... ok.. will take care
[11:13] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, I don't have a usb to vga cable, if that's what you meant.
[11:13] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, it's not what i meant
[11:13] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, but if you don't get the question you probably don't have one :)
[11:14] <Kolmogorov> Right..
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[11:16] <mrmoney2012> hmmm http://harizanov.com/2013/07/raspberry-pi-emalsms-doorbell-notifier-picture-of-the-person-ringing-it/?utm_source=feedly
[11:16] <mrmoney2012> there is an LED on my receiver
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[11:17] <lord4163> Can I see what gm-ressurect is playing on the pi?
[11:17] <Kolmogorov> Just to be clear, Habbie , linuxstb, when my install is working, I should see both a red and a green led on the pi?
[11:17] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, i don't actually know, my pi is off right now
[11:18] <mrmoney2012> just realised i can't solder !
[11:18] <mrmoney2012> hehe - can a bit...
[11:18] <Habbie> learn it
[11:18] <Habbie> no time like the present
[11:19] <ShorTie> a clean tip and tinned objectes is the key to good soldering
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[11:20] <mrmoney2012> yes - i need to
[11:20] <Habbie> or get a breadboard
[11:20] <segfaulter> i wish i had a touch screen :s
[11:21] <segfaulter> oh yay, raspbian image downloaded
[11:22] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, nmap -sP returns two IP-addresses. So one is my laptop, and the other one could be the Pi, right? Can I try ssh'ing into it?
[11:22] <Habbie> yes
[11:22] <Habbie> nmap may also have shown you a brand
[11:22] <Habbie> although if you see two total, there's a good chance that's your laptop and your router
[11:22] <Kolmogorov> Ah, ofc.
[11:23] <Kolmogorov> Especially since the other IP is
[11:23] <Habbie> :)
[11:23] <segfaulter> Kolmogorov:
[11:24] <Kolmogorov> Looks like working around a lack of screen is too much trouble.
[11:24] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, are the LEDs on the networking ports lighting up?
[11:24] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, no, oddly enough.
[11:24] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, what did you connect the pi to?
[11:25] <Kolmogorov> The router.
[11:25] <Kolmogorov> Uhm. Should I connect it to the laptop?
[11:25] <Habbie> did you accidentally use a cross cable?
[11:25] <ShorTie> and no link lights on router or rPi ??
[11:25] <Habbie> well, we've been assuming router so far so better keep it there
[11:26] <Habbie> we can always change it up
[11:26] <Habbie> did your pi start showing the right LEDs to indicate successful boot?
[11:27] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, I use the same cable to connect my laptop to a network socket at home, so I'm pretty sure the cable is ok. I will try to power the Pi on and off, and observe the leds.
[11:27] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, it is possible that your laptop allows cross cables while the pi does not
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[11:27] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, but is your pi indicating bootup with the onboard leds?
[11:29] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, when I plug the power cable in, the green and red leds light up, but then only the red stays lit.
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[11:31] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, how long after powerup does the green one stop?
[11:31] <ShorTie> Kolmogorov, this might help http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[11:31] <Habbie> yes, good page
[11:31] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, I'm using a Cat 5 cable, which is a twisted pair cable. I think that means it's not a crossover cable.
[11:31] <Kolmogorov> It stays on for about a second.
[11:31] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, no, it means it could be but doesn't have to be
[11:31] <linuxstb> Kolmogorov: Exactly what did you do after the dd command?
[11:32] <Habbie> about a second sounds like a bad image indeed
[11:32] <ShorTie> twisted pair discribes how the cable is made, not how it is hooked up
[11:32] <Kolmogorov> Well I took the image from http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[11:33] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, do you have your command history including the dd? can you show it to us?
[11:33] <Kolmogorov> linuxstb, after dd, I did "sync", and plugged the sd into the pi, and powered it on.
[11:33] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, sure. I'll make a pastebin.
[11:34] <Kolmogorov> http://pastebin.com/GVYyQMha
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[11:36] <Habbie> how big is ~/Downloads/2013-09-25-wheezy-raspbian.img ?
[11:36] <segfaulter> Habbie: got an issue
[11:36] <segfaulter> it's not recognizing my new 8GB sd card
[11:36] <segfaulter> (ubuntu)
[11:37] <segfaulter> df -h doesn't show
[11:37] <Habbie> if df shows, you can't dd
[11:37] <Habbie> cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[11:37] <Habbie> see it there?
[11:37] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, it's 1.1 GB
[11:37] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, it should be about 2.7
[11:38] <segfaulter> it doesn't appear to be showing up
[11:38] <segfaulter> I see one attached device in /proc/scsi/scsi and that doesn't change on unplugging
[11:38] <Habbie> segfaulter, anything in dmeg?
[11:38] <Habbie> what device is it?
[11:39] <Habbie> *anything in dmesg?
[11:39] <ShorTie> the raspbian image is < 2gig
[11:39] <Habbie> ShorTie, not anymore
[11:39] <segfaulter> verbatim 8GB class 4
[11:39] <Habbie> ShorTie, http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/release_notes.txt
[11:39] <Habbie> segfaulter, i mean, what device do you see in /proc/scsi/scsi ?
[11:39] <segfaulter> in Devices in natilus I see "SD"
[11:39] <segfaulter> I can access the SD on windows
[11:39] <segfaulter> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: ATA Model: ST320LT007-9ZV14 Rev: 0004
[11:40] <segfaulter> Type: Direct-Access
[11:40] <Habbie> ST320 is not your SD
[11:40] <Habbie> that's your seagate harddisk
[11:40] <segfaulter> ah
[11:40] <segfaulter> I do see "SD" in the Devices in Nautilus
[11:40] <Habbie> try to find out what device nautilus thinks your SD is at
[11:40] <Habbie> like /dev/sdb or something
[11:40] <segfaulter> although clicking has no effect
[11:41] <Habbie> or you could boot windows, i suppose
[11:41] <segfaulter> i could.. but ubuntu doesn't recongize this sd for some reason
[11:43] <ShorTie> boot to windows and use windisk would be the easiest
[11:43] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, it looks like unzipping the downloaded .img doesn't finish, so I'll torrent a .zip instead and try again. Nice catch.
[11:43] <ShorTie> no need to unzip the image
[11:44] <ShorTie> just write img file to sdcard
[11:45] <segfaulter> figured out why
[11:45] <Kolmogorov> ShorTie, I can pass the .zip to dd, and it will do the rest?
[11:45] <segfaulter> my ubuntu isn't mounting anything period :/
[11:45] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, no
[11:45] <segfaulter> brb
[11:46] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, you need to unzip it
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[11:46] <Kolmogorov> Ok then.
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[11:46] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, if what you're giving to dd is not around 2.7gb, it's not a correct image of the most recent raspbian
[11:46] <Kolmogorov> Understood.
[11:47] <ShorTie> oops, my bad, ya zip nneds unzipped to get .img file, thought you were trying unzip the img file
[11:47] <segfaulter> Habbie: ? I downloaded ~500 MB
[11:48] <ShorTie> that is about the right size of the download file
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[11:48] <segfaulter> unzipped it's 3GB
[11:48] <rgl> is there a way to see the current allocated GPU memory?
[11:48] <Habbie> segfaulter, those are the right numbers, rounded :)
[11:48] <ShorTie> it should unzip to make a img file a little lass then 2 gig
[11:48] <Habbie> ShorTie, no, well over 2 gig since the last release
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[11:49] <ShorTie> oh
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[11:53] <segfaulter> is dd supposed to give me control of the terminal again?
[11:53] <segfaulter> I did the pkill -USR1 -n -x dd and I see "2.9 GB copied, 33.7974s, 84.4MB/s"
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[11:53] <segfaulter> however I don't have control, and doing pkill again shows nothing diferent
[11:53] <Habbie> 84.4MB/s to SD?
[11:54] <Habbie> run 'iostat 5' in another terminal to see what's happening
[11:54] <Habbie> my guess is the kernel is still flushing dd's output to the SD
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[11:54] <ShorTie> i would think it should return control to you if successfull
[11:55] <segfaulter> yes it's been written
[11:55] <segfaulter> 5MB/s, which is a more sane rate lol
[11:55] <Habbie> hehe yes
[11:55] <Habbie> gonna take a while then
[11:55] <Habbie> you will get your terminal back from dd when it's actually done
[11:56] <segfaulter> I'm going to be quite.. frustrated if it turns out that my pi's soc is broken.
[11:56] <Habbie> the great thing about the pi, of course, it's that it's trivial to replace (given some money)
[11:56] <segfaulter> :) - but more importantly shipping time..
[11:56] <Habbie> thought that was pretty decent these days
[11:56] <Habbie> i'd probably keep one in stock if i relied on it for anything
[11:57] <Habbie> i'd lend you one if you were near :)
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[11:57] <segfaulter> that's a good point, having some share pis is never bad!
[11:58] <segfaulter> spare*
[11:58] <Habbie> :)
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[11:59] <ShorTie> instead of getting too frustrated, try windows real quick if you can
[11:59] <segfaulter> I'm pretty sure Windows isn't going to make me write to my SD card faster than (the speed of class 4?) :P
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[12:00] <segfaulter> I'm using the pi as a web server, low power so it can run 24x7
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[12:00] <segfaulter> worked great for a month and a half!
[12:00] <Habbie> class 4 promises 4mbyte/sec
[12:00] <Habbie> if you're getting 5, that's okay :)
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[12:04] <segfaulter> ugggh
[12:04] <segfaulter> it appears my SD is missing again after dding
[12:04] <Habbie> if the dd is done
[12:04] <Habbie> just plug it into the pi
[12:04] <segfaulter> red light, no screen output
[12:05] <Habbie> bah
[12:05] <Habbie> now we still know nothing
[12:06] <segfaulter> :/ I thought the gpu was supposed to turn on and see 4 colors?
[12:06] <Habbie> i'm not sure whether that works without an SD
[12:06] <Habbie> or, similarly, with a wrong SD
[12:06] <ShorTie> rPi's are prone to sdcard corruption from power glitches and open files, if running a web server make sure you got a good power supply with some big caps or have it hooked up to a apc to eliminate brown out problems
[12:06] <segfaulter> for reference the old SD card still works (segfault)
[12:07] <segfaulter> ShorTie: hmm, the main files are stored in an externally powered usb hdd and regularly backed up
[12:07] <Nefarious___> what's the reason behind python 3.3 not being packaged for the pi?
[12:07] <Habbie> Nefarious___, not packaged for raspbian, you mean?
[12:08] <segfaulter> how'd I check my new SD is written correctly?
[12:08] <Habbie> segfaulter, you could compare it to the image with a tool like cmp
[12:08] <ShorTie> try to boot it
[12:08] <Habbie> ShorTie, that already failed :)
[12:08] <Nefarious___> Habbie: yes. is it packaged for another os?
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[12:08] <Habbie> Nefarious___, i'd expect arch to have it
[12:08] <Habbie> .. he left
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[12:09] <Nefarious___> Habbie: sorry disconnected by accident :3
[12:09] <Habbie> ok
[12:09] <Habbie> Nefarious___, i'd expect arch to have it
[12:09] <segfaulter> I'm going to try imagewriter
[12:09] <Habbie> Nefarious___, debian jessie also has it, and you may be able to take their packages and install them
[12:09] <segfaulter> even through I like working with CLIs more than GUIS :P
[12:10] <Nefarious___> Habbie: what's the big difference between all of these?
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[12:13] <ShorTie> segfaulter, did you transfer os files over to the external hdd or just the web server files ??
[12:13] <segfaulter> ShorTie: I'm using another sd card
[12:13] <ShorTie> i understand that
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[12:14] <segfaulter> I only transferred the web server / db files
[12:14] <ShorTie> and segfualt does = file corruption
[12:14] <segfaulter> the OS contains nothing important, except it'd take me a couple of hours to set up my enviroment again
[12:14] <segfaulter> drats.
[12:14] <ShorTie> ah, so the main main files are still on the sdcard
[12:14] <segfaulter> yep
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[12:15] <segfaulter> if only I could deep freeze something and have the OS files remain in the same state, forever and never break ...
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[12:15] <Habbie> what you can and perhaps should do
[12:15] <Habbie> is to define your configuration in a tool like chef, ansible or puppet
[12:15] <Habbie> so you can re-apply it to a fresh raspbian whenever needed
[12:15] <Habbie> (this is how big companies get servers back up quickly when they die)
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[12:16] <segfaulter> I guess
[12:16] <ShorTie> or use sumfin like berryboot where you can install and run the os from the external hdd
[12:16] <segfaulter> which'd be less prone to failure?
[12:16] <ShorTie> but you still need sdcard for some files like firmware
[12:16] <segfaulter> tbh when I got ssh failures there was no sudden shut down or anything
[12:16] <segfaulter> when I got ssh failure, I abruptly replugged the power, worked again
[12:16] <Kolmogorov> It's weird, when I try to unzip it never finishes. Anyone know why that would be?
[12:16] <segfaulter> a few hours later, ssh failure again
[12:16] <segfaulter> replug, this time it doesn't boot.
[12:17] <ShorTie> I abruptly replugged the power, of the rPi ??
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[12:17] <linuxstb> Kolmogorov: How are you unzipping? The command-line "unzip" or something graphical? It may just take a while...
[12:17] <Kolmogorov> linuxstb, I tried both.
[12:17] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, what that could be? probably impatience
[12:17] <Kolmogorov> Ok then.
[12:18] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, try looking at CPU and IO usage during the unzip, and/or see if the output file is growing
[12:18] <ShorTie> unplugging the rPi without proper shut down is not good
[12:18] <segfaulter> ShorTie: yes
[12:18] <Kolmogorov> Well, it seems it has finished now. The img is 3.0 GB.
[12:18] <segfaulter> but I couldn't shut down
[12:18] <segfaulter> I couldn't ssh into it.
[12:18] <Kolmogorov> 2.962 to be more exact.
[12:19] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, bytes please
[12:19] <ShorTie> you just trying to corrupt the sdcard doing that
[12:19] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, the only unit which does not have conversion confusion
[12:19] <segfaulter> ShorTie: I see, any way I can try and repair it?
[12:19] <Kolmogorov> Habbie, 2,962,227,200 bytes
[12:19] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, perfect
[12:19] <Kolmogorov> :D
[12:20] <ShorTie> write a new image to it
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[12:20] <ShorTie> cause who knows what got messed up
[12:21] <segfaulter> YAY!
[12:21] <segfaulter> brand new raspbian works
[12:21] <segfaulter> nay: having to configure everything again >.<
[12:21] <ShorTie> sweet
[12:22] <segfaulter> so in the future if I encounter the first symptom again (can't ssh in, broken pipe)
[12:22] <segfaulter> what should I dO?
[12:22] <ShorTie> do not expand the file system if you do not have too
[12:22] <ShorTie> then once you have it all setup again, make an image of it
[12:22] <segfaulter> aha!
[12:22] <ShorTie> then expand file system
[12:22] <segfaulter> won't expand fs, ever
[12:22] <segfaulter> (external HDD does all that)
[12:23] <ShorTie> how big is your sdcard ??
[12:23] <ShorTie> old images only used 2 gig's of it
[12:23] <ShorTie> i guess new would use 4 gig
[12:24] <segfaulter> pretty sure 4gb cause the image is 3 GB
[12:24] <segfaulter> my sd card is 8gb
[12:24] <ShorTie> but the rest is just there not being used or excessible without defining it some way
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[12:25] <segfaulter> yeah, but I don't need any extra space.
[12:26] <ShorTie> if you did not expand your fs before, you may have just run outta room on the card causing problems
[12:26] <ShorTie> you may not, but the os might
[12:26] <segfaulter> nah, I had 17% free
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[12:27] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[12:27] <Habbie> running out of space does not usually cause such big trouble
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[12:28] <Kolmogorov> Yay, all my leds are flashing...! Pretty...
[12:29] <Kolmogorov> Yay, it shows up with nmap...!
[12:29] <ShorTie> like christmas came early for ya
[12:29] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, woot
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[12:29] <Kolmogorov> :)
[12:31] <segfaulter> lol I'm transferring my files between my devices via "wget" :D
[12:31] <Kolmogorov> I'm in!
[12:31] <Kolmogorov> (feels good to say that. Like in the movies.)
[12:32] <Habbie> congratulations :)
[12:32] <Kolmogorov> Thanks for all your help.
[12:32] <Habbie> no problem!
[12:32] <Habbie> stick around and help someone else :)
[12:32] <Kolmogorov> Will do.
[12:32] <segfaulter> irc: please never die
[12:33] <segfaulter> (well actually, a p2p encrypted communications protocol should replace irc)
[12:33] <ShorTie> there are such things like that, like blowfish
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[12:34] <ShorTie> but that takes all the public out of it
[12:34] <Kolmogorov> Can I run gui programs with ssh? Does raspbian come with X11?
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[12:34] <Habbie> Kolmogorov, raspbian comes with X11 but if you use ssh -X/-Y you can run gui programs remotely from your ubuntu
[12:34] <ShorTie> no gui over ssh, need to use like vnc for gui
[12:34] <Habbie> ShorTie, ssh -X / -Y
[12:35] <Kolmogorov> I'll check it out.
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[13:10] <davor> hmm
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[13:15] <Nefarious___> I tried to compile python 3.3 like this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=49023&p=382172 post 4. but how do I install pip for 3.3.2? I doubt copying packages from other versions will work.
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[13:25] <razorfishy> hi any one here active i need some help with retropie and i have looked on the forums and not found my answer..
[13:27] <razorfishy> i just would like to know how you would add a sleep command to es_bin= "/home/pi/RetroPie/supplementary/EmulationStation/emulationstation"
[13:27] <razorfishy> the problem i got i dont where to add the sleep 15
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi people.
[13:28] <razorfishy> morning :D
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[13:30] <Nefarious___> does compiling python from source include pip?
[13:32] <Nefarious___> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=49023&p=382172 I need to install packages to 3.3
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[13:42] <razorfishy> ok so after finding stuff http://blog.petrockblock.com/forums/topic/game-pads-not-working-in-emulation-station-menu/ I want to add the sleep command like this guy did , but i dont know how he did it ?? he doesnt say...
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[13:43] <gordonDrogon> if it's a shell script, then just edit it and add in the sleep commaned
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[13:43] <razorfishy> yes but ive tryed sleep 15 all over the script and all i get is a black screen on the pi
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[13:44] <razorfishy> #!/bin/bash
[13:44] <razorfishy> es_bin=sleep 15 "/home/pi/RetroPie/supplementary/EmulationStation/emulationstation"
[13:44] <razorfishy> nb_lock_files=$(find /tmp -name ".X?-lock" | wc -l)
[13:44] <razorfishy> if [ $nb_lock_files -ne 0 ]; then
[13:44] <razorfishy> echo "X is running. Please shut down X in order to mitigate problems with loosing keyboard input. For example,$
[13:44] <razorfishy> exit 1
[13:44] <razorfishy> fi
[13:44] <razorfishy> $es_bin "$@"
[13:45] <razorfishy> thats the script
[13:45] <razorfishy> i have to write sleep 15 some where ??????
[13:46] <razorfishy> sorry am a noob at the pi
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[13:51] <Kane> matin
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> on a separate line.
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> so before the $es_bin "$@" line, insert
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> sleep 15
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> on a line on its own
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[13:57] <razorfishy> sleep 15 es_bin= "/home/pi/RetroPie/supplementary/EmulationStation/emulationstation"
[13:57] <razorfishy> like so ?
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> separate line
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> means on a line on its own.
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> before the $es_bin.. line
[13:57] <razorfishy> so at the bottom of that line
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> after the 'fi' line.
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> although I've absolutely no idea why you want to delay the script, but it needs to be on a line on its own.
[13:59] <razorfishy> ok well i want my ps3 pad to workin menu of retropie and i read that if i write sleep 15 , it will load the pad drivers first so then it will work in menu system
[14:00] <razorfishy> ive tryed alsorts with this sleep lol thats why i ended up here
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[14:01] <razorfishy> ok well i have wrote sleep 15 in a seperate line and just rebooted it
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> why reboot? why not just run the script?
[14:01] <razorfishy> i dunno how
[14:02] <razorfishy> this is my first attemt at linux , and sudo and stuff so its all new to me
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> you'd run the script by typing: ./scriptName
[14:02] <razorfishy> i managed to run quake 3 on it and play it on net so im not that bad
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> or use sudo ./scriptName
[14:03] <razorfishy> oh ok thanks
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[14:04] <razorfishy> naa that didnt work , black screen once more , but if i take the sleep command out it boots fine
[14:05] <razorfishy> #!/bin/bash
[14:05] <razorfishy> es_bin= "/home/pi/RetroPie/supplementary/EmulationStation/emulationstation"slee$
[14:05] <razorfishy> sleep 15
[14:05] <razorfishy> nb_lock_files=$(find /tmp -name ".X?-lock" | wc -l)
[14:05] <razorfishy> if [ $nb_lock_files -ne 0 ]; then
[14:05] <razorfishy> echo "X is running. Please shut down X in order to mitigate problems with l$
[14:05] <razorfishy> exit 1
[14:05] <razorfishy> fi
[14:05] <razorfishy> $es_bin "$@"
[14:05] <razorfishy> thats how it looks now
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> do consider using pasetbin or something like that.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> the 2nd line seems to have some junk at the end - slee$ ?
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[14:06] <razorfishy> awwww ya lmao oops
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[14:06] <razorfishy> hang on
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[14:09] <razorfishy> yep it boots :) but pad still does work , keyboard only :/
[14:09] <razorfishy> doesnt*
[14:10] <razorfishy> this is like my worst nightmare emulator i have ever encounterd lol
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I've never used retropi, nor do I own a PS3, etc.
[14:11] <razorfishy> i got ps3 , but i dont go on it its just sat there really
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[14:13] <razorfishy> i have just extended the time on the sleep to see if that does any thing to 30
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> you could boot the Pi, see if the 'pad' is recognised (lsusb) then run the command: sudo "/home/pi/RetroPie/supplementary/EmulationStation/emulationstation
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[14:24] <razorfishy> it boots into retropie auto , i dont have to log in
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[14:24] <razorfishy> btw the sleep 30 didnt work either
[14:25] <razorfishy> the pad works in some emulators but not all , theres alot of stuff i need to do
[14:26] <razorfishy> i try what you have suggested
[14:28] <razorfishy> if i cant do it i will look at other options e.i running arcade controls from gpio instead, i have seen a guide
[14:29] <razorfishy> yes i can see its loaded the ps3 pad driver at boot but still doesnt work
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> keep googling :) It's an area/application of the Pi that I'm really not familiar with (games/emulators, etc.)
[14:31] <razorfishy> is there any way of pauseing its boot seqeunce so i can read what it says when its loading ?
[14:32] <razorfishy> well it wont defeat me :)
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> that's the spirit :)
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> to pause - tricky - if it's something based on Raspbian, then look in /etc/init.d - you'll see lots of scripts that get executed as part of the boot sequence - in those scripts /on a separate line/ you can insert sleep commands...
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> but you will need to read an understand the scripts to make sure you put it in the right place.
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[15:08] <razorfishy> ok thanks for all your help :D
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[15:13] <MarcoFe> hello
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[15:13] <MarcoFe> have anyone compile raspberry kernel?
[15:14] <MarcoFe> using cross-compiling procedure
[15:14] <Jusii> many times
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[15:24] <MarcoFe> Jusii: really?Can i help me so! When i've trying to cross-compile, i've receive this error: make[4]: *** [drivers/staging/iio/accel/lis3l02dq_core.o] Error 1
[15:25] <shiftplusone> post more of the error message
[15:25] <shiftplusone> what and the command you're running
[15:25] <MarcoFe> shiftplusone: ok
[15:25] <MarcoFe> wait
[15:25] <MarcoFe> i'm using pastebin...wait for link..
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[15:26] <MarcoFe> http://pastebin.com/EcKEK4Nu
[15:27] <shiftplusone> Where did you get the source from?
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[15:28] <MarcoFe> from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[15:29] <shiftplusone> Do yo need that particular driver?
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[15:29] <shiftplusone> (lis3l02dq)
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[15:29] <MarcoFe> shiftplusone: only gspca to use a webcam
[15:30] <MarcoFe> and for this i think to compile a kernel (so to learn how to make this)
[15:30] <shiftplusone> not sure what gspca is, but can you disable that accelerometer in your config?
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[15:30] <MarcoFe> shiftplusone: yes i do
[15:30] <MarcoFe> i can
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[15:31] <MarcoFe> maybe i'll do this
[15:32] <MarcoFe> shiftplusone: tnx so much :)
[15:32] <shiftplusone> It sounds to me like that particular driver is not written well (and that's why it's in the staging tree) you could probably compile it anyway by not treating implicist function declarations as errors, but eh...
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[15:36] <shiftplusone> From the guy who wrote the driver "Sorry about this one. It's been on my todo list to clean it up for
[15:36] <shiftplusone> way way to long (given it doesn't build for my test board for exactly
[15:36] <shiftplusone> this reason). Happy to let someone else patch it though!"
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[16:32] <GerhardSchr> hi
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[16:44] <Nefarious___> how can I run a command at boot?
[16:46] <MarcoFe> Nefarious___: yes
[16:46] <MarcoFe> Nefarious___: which command?
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[16:50] <Nefarious___> MarcoFe: to run a python script with python 3.3.2 which was compiled from source
[16:50] <Nefarious___> so: py /path/here
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[16:52] <Nefarious___> or even just py file.py
[16:52] <MarcoFe> do you installed debian?
[16:53] <Nefarious___> raspian
[16:53] <MarcoFe> ok perfect
[16:53] <MarcoFe> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28
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[16:55] <Nefarious___> thanks :)
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[17:19] <seba-> hm
[17:19] <seba-> what player should i use to view the raspberry.pi camera videos?
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[17:39] <MarcoFe> uff...
[17:39] <MarcoFe> drivers/scsi/osd/osd_initiator.c:68:2: error: size of unnamed array is negative
[17:39] <MarcoFe> drivers/scsi/osd/osd_initiator.c:69:2: error: size of unnamed array is negative
[17:40] <MarcoFe> if would i remove scsi support?
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[17:40] <Jusii> doubt you need those either
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[17:40] <Jusii> I think it would be best if you start with 'standard' raspbian .config
[17:40] <Jusii> then just add what you need that's not enabled by default
[17:41] <MarcoFe> Jusii: i think that you have a good ideaù
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[17:41] <Jusii> copy it in place and run make oldconfig
[17:41] <MarcoFe> where i can get it?
[17:42] <MarcoFe> i find it
[17:42] <MarcoFe> tnx
[17:42] <Jusii> great
[17:43] <Jusii> usually you can get it from running kernel from /proc/config.gz
[17:43] <Jusii> not sure if that's enabled on raspbian
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[17:46] <MarcoFe> my old .config was got from /proc/config.gz, but kernel version is different...in my raspberry run 3.1.9 kernel, while dowloaded kernel is 3.6.x
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[18:22] <djazz> soo.. what cool stuff can I do with a webserver on the pi? http://pi.djazzberry.tk/
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[18:23] <ShorTie> all i get is it wanting user name/password, hehe.
[18:23] <djazz> ;)
[18:24] <djazz> i use nginx, its so simple
[18:24] <ShorTie> you got camerea, setup a live feed
[18:24] <djazz> camera/live/ is just a page showing a snapshot of the pi cam every 5th second
[18:25] <djazz> not much to show now, it's dark
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[18:39] <christo_m> is there a compatibility list for usb bluetooth dongles?
[18:41] <ShorTie> most work
[18:41] <Habbie> http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Bluetooth_adapters
[18:41] <ShorTie> just check for linux compatiblity
[18:43] <ShorTie> ebay has realtek 1's for like 5 bucks
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[18:45] <christo_m> thanks
[18:45] <Habbie> "Hot-plugging causes Pi restarts" my wifi dongle does that too
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[18:45] <Habbie> the pi is pretty flaky that way
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[18:46] <ShorTie> ah, best to have powered hub for wifi
[18:46] <Habbie> yes
[18:46] <Habbie> that's exactly how i got my whole pi stable
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[18:46] <Habbie> by moving the wifi to a powered hub
[18:46] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[18:46] <christo_m> interesting
[18:46] <Habbie> pity i needed serial console to realise it was just usb flaking out -most of the time-
[18:46] <christo_m> i dont think i plan on removing it much, its pretty much there to pair with my sixaxis controller for retropie
[18:47] <christo_m> im just about to head out and get the adapter
[18:47] <christo_m> Habbie: that list is perfect
[18:47] <ShorTie> i got a rosewill 10 port hub with 5 amp supply that works nice
[18:48] <christo_m> i think all i have plugged in is my external drive, which has its own power supply
[18:48] <owenmurr> Is it possible to power the Pi via a USB hub?
[18:48] <christo_m> and i dont think a small usb dongle will take much
[18:48] <christo_m> owenmurr: i think so
[18:48] <christo_m> i can power mine off the TV usb
[18:48] <Habbie> owenmurr, yes
[18:48] <Habbie> christo_m, you should check - the pi only wants to provide like 100-150mA
[18:49] <owenmurr> I'v got 6 to power, so it would be easier to just have 1/2 hubs to power them
[18:49] <christo_m> Habbie: check the power requirements of the dongle?
[18:49] <christo_m> ill factor that in i guess
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[18:51] <ShorTie> ya, you can power rPi from hub, give atleast 1a/rPi
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[19:10] <groundnuty_m> hey, anyone came across some chinesses male-famale usb adapter/cable that would have only data pins (no power pins)?
[19:10] <aphorise> groundnuty_m: just tape the +/- no?
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[19:11] <[Saint]> ...why does it need to be "chineses" [sic]?
[19:11] <aphorise> groundnuty_m: should be the first & last... my usb knowledge is close to 0
[19:11] <ShorTie> they make such a critter ?? i don't see why they would
[19:11] <[Saint]> They do.
[19:11] <[Saint]> "they" being "people".
[19:11] <groundnuty_m> [Saint]: because its cheap and shipping is free ;)
[19:11] <[Saint]> That's a sweeping generalization.
[19:12] <aphorise> Any way to have two .img kernel builds and select which should be booted?
[19:12] <ShorTie> oh, lol, i ment manufacturing
[19:12] <aphorise> sort of like grub boot :-p
[19:12] <groundnuty_m> [Saint]: it is
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[19:13] <ShorTie> berryboot lets you do that i think
[19:14] <aphorise> groundnuty_m: tape pin 1 & 4 - dont make people produce redudant stuff :-p
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[19:15] <[Saint]> I take it you're wanting to avoid backpowering from a hub?
[19:15] <[Saint]> ...most people *like* that.
[19:16] <groundnuty_m> i used to use a piece of paper, but got tired
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[19:16] <owenmurr> This is all new to me, using a USB hub for powering the Pi.
[19:16] <groundnuty_m> but as aphorise I will buy a $0.60 camle and tape it
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[19:16] <groundnuty_m> *cabpe
[19:16] <groundnuty_m> *cable (damit :)
[19:16] <[Saint]> *dammit
[19:17] <[Saint]> ;)
[19:17] <groundnuty_m> as u said ;p
[19:17] <ShorTie> a good hub will not back power i believe
[19:17] <ShorTie> or atleast mine doesn't
[19:18] <[Saint]> That doesn't necessarily make it good or bad.
[19:18] <[Saint]> There's cases where its wanted, cases where it isn't.
[19:18] <owenmurr> What is back powering?
[19:18] <groundnuty_m> a taped cable makes any hub good :)
[19:18] <aphorise> How to boot the safe / recovery kernel image? in case of my main image build being bad?
[19:18] <ShorTie> powering thru the regular usb port and not the micro port
[19:19] <groundnuty_m> owenmurr: the ubs cable has 2 data pins and 2 power pins
[19:19] <groundnuty_m> owenmurr: so u can charge your cell phone from usb port etc
[19:19] <aphorise> groundnuty_m: it depends on the phone actually USB specificaiton allow for up to 500ma
[19:20] <[Saint]> but like NOTHING respects this.
[19:20] <groundnuty_m> owenmurr: in case of PI - which should be powered by micro usb - if there is not enough power, PI migh try to get power from usb hub - and thats bad
[19:20] <[Saint]> well...very few.
[19:20] <[Saint]> Most hubs will try dumping 2A into things.
[19:20] <groundnuty_m> owenmurr: to be on the safe side, its nice to have a short usb cable with 2 power pins taped
[19:21] <[Saint]> "if there is not enough power, PI migh try to get power from usb hub - and thats bad"
[19:21] <[Saint]> no, it isn't.
[19:21] <[Saint]> Its perfectly fine.
[19:21] <owenmurr> But if im using a usb hub to power the pi...
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[19:22] <[Saint]> Exactly, then its absolutely desireable.
[19:22] <[Saint]> :)
[19:22] <aphorise> 500mA is the offical spec... anything more is technically not USB but rather powered USB :-p
[19:22] <[Saint]> I have had one laptop, ever, that respects this. :)
[19:23] <owenmurr> What Im looking for is a hub that can give enough power to each port to power 6 Pi's
[19:23] <aphorise> So apple's iphone or other such phones requiring mega mAmps of power are just illusions :-p
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[19:23] <aphorise> owenmurr: you seen what WSO2 guys did ?
[19:24] <[Saint]> I find it hilarious that people find nothing wrong with there USb ports on their PC/laptop powering the pi.
[19:24] <groundnuty_m> btw. it makes no difference to have a mictro usb power adapter that can gieve 1500mA yes?
[19:24] <aphorise> owenmurr: I'd recommend Orico but in any case any more than 6 you'll have to get dirty with power ;-)
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[19:24] <aphorise> groundnuty_m: you mean in terms of the wire?
[19:25] <groundnuty_m> aphorise: I mean, to make my pi work with external musci card and some wifi antena I replaced 800mA with 1500mA adapter and it works. now I'm asking is it healthy for pi?
[19:25] <owenmurr> Looking at the WS02 now
[19:25] <[Saint]> In theory, since the pi doesn't enumerate and say "Hi, guy, I want this much juice", it should only ever get 500mA and never boot...but, in practice, this rarely hapens.
[19:25] <[Saint]> USB seems a giant mess.
[19:26] <[Saint]> ...in some parts.
[19:26] <ShorTie> the rPi will only take the power it needs
[19:26] <[Saint]> A lot of it is very clear. Some seems to be open to interpretation.
[19:26] <aphorise> groundnuty_m: if shouldnt matter - as the pi should never draw that much unless you are overclocking.
[19:26] <ShorTie> and it is best to have extra for stability
[19:26] <[Saint]> ShorTie: ...which is more than 500mA ;)
[19:26] <groundnuty_m> aphorise: got it, thx for answer :)
[19:26] <ShorTie> rPi like 1000ma min really
[19:27] <[Saint]> 700mA
[19:27] <[Saint]> really.
[19:27] <ShorTie> it will work on 700ma, but they still like 1000ma best
[19:27] <aphorise> owenmurr: http://www.amazon.com/AITECH-backward-Compatible-Aluminum-10port-Silver/dp/B00A79GOYU -- that will power probably 10 pi's :-)
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[19:28] <owenmurr> Thanks aphorise
[19:29] <ShorTie> 4amp, you might get away with 4
[19:29] <aphorise> owenmurr: np - BTW take PCV model -> Power = Voltage x Current to figure out your requirments... in this case you have 4x12 = 48w which will suffie for total usage of 10x PI's
[19:30] <[Saint]> Oh my FSM I hate support...!
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[19:30] <ShorTie> maybe 5 till they start doing sumfin, then they all will crash, lol.
[19:30] <[Saint]> What the heck is this supposed to mean?
[19:30] <[Saint]> "I have another thing maybe to put in to do list
[19:30] <[Saint]> after i copied my songs to the pod i rearranged them within it, and it shows me I use only 4 GB what is way not.
[19:30] <[Saint]> thinking of recopying them later"
[19:30] <[Saint]> ...
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> evening...
[19:30] <[Saint]> Dear guy - we can't stop you from breaking things. So, don't.
[19:30] <sney> it sounds like someone copied stuff to a mp3 player, didn't sync, and thus isn't using the right amount of disk space
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[19:31] <[Saint]> sney: I get that, but, what does he want me to do about it? :)
[19:31] * sney shrug
[19:31] <[Saint]> To-Do list: Don't let guy break stuff
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[19:52] <l_r> hello
[19:52] <l_r> what is the status of android for raspberry?
[19:58] <[Saint]> "almost certainly never going to happen in a way that makes it anywhere near usable, unless you work for Broadcomm"
[19:58] <[Saint]> TL;DR: They said *ages* ago they had it pretty much done...then, let it die in a fire ignoring everyone who asked.
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[19:59] <[Saint]> Unless Broadcomm actually releases something, which I find hilariously unlikely, we're waiting on RE effrts...which also isn't going terribly well.
[20:00] <[Saint]> ...sorry. :-S
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[20:03] <l_r> there are open source boards fortunately
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[20:36] <[Saint]> Argh!
[20:36] <[Saint]> My sub has turned into a demon portal...
[20:38] <[Saint]> I think its trying to communicate with me.
[20:39] <chod> sub?
[20:39] <[Saint]> The woofing variety.
[20:40] <sney> it's picking up some ULF transmissions from elder gods
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[20:42] * chod nods
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[20:42] <chod> line noise
[20:43] <[Saint]> I dunno, I'm calling demons on this one.
[20:43] <[Saint]> I disconnected all line inputs, it took pulling power to shut it up.
[20:44] <ShorTie> amp hum, need new tubes
[20:45] <[Saint]> Replaced the tubes a few months ago.
[20:45] <[Saint]> I'm quitely surprised that someone knows what a tube amp *is*, well done.
[20:45] <[Saint]> My friends just stare at it and think its dangerous.
[20:46] <ShorTie> caps then
[20:46] <[Saint]> Nothing is obviously bulging.
[20:46] <owenmurr> If only I had the money for one
[20:46] <[Saint]> I would expect it to effect all the other drivers connected to said amp, were that the case, though.
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> ##electronics
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[21:02] <kilnaar> anyone know about approx how long a complete RetroPi source build would take?
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[21:03] <christo_m> kilnaar: says 5 hours, though a tut i read the guy said it took him 9 hours
[21:03] <christo_m> doing it right now actually
[21:04] <AHammar> kilnaar, I think it took about 8 hours last time I did it
[21:04] <kilnaar> ah, sweet, thanks.
[21:05] <[Saint]> Why on earth would anyone consider doing this on the raspi itself?
[21:05] <ShorTie> just start it before bed and wake up in the morning to sumfin new
[21:05] <[Saint]> Crosscompilation, yo. Your PC can do it in about 20 minutes.
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[21:06] <[Saint]> Well...mine can, no idea about yours, but I suspect it has better hardware than a mid-00's cellphone - which the pi is.
[21:07] <christo_m> [Saint]: you have an ARM cpu?
[21:07] <christo_m> wait
[21:07] <christo_m> i see
[21:07] <[Saint]> Compiling a project of this nature on the pi is a "really bad idea (TM)"
[21:07] <christo_m> damn, should have done that, oh well too late
[21:08] <christo_m> i think its about half way
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[21:08] <[Saint]> You'll end up swapping like Hell (and IO already sucks), and it could crap the bed at any minute and leave you with nothing.
[21:09] <kilnaar> yeah, was going to into that given those times.
[21:10] <christo_m> [Saint]: so what did yo udo, just run the retropie script on your computer, and transfer everything over afterwards?
[21:10] <chithead> I found building software on the pi a very solid experience. it takes long but there were no stability issues / crashes / internal compiler errors
[21:12] <christo_m> im running xbian which claims to have added extra IO type support
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[22:02] <UnaClocker> heh, had to unplug my Raspberry Pi to get my HDTV antenna to pick anything up.. ;) I need to get a metal box for the Pi.
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[22:10] <[Saint]> UnaClocker: got a wire mesh seive?
[22:11] <[Saint]> (poor mans farraday cage)
[22:11] <UnaClocker> Mmm, good idea, but nope.
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[22:11] <UnaClocker> Could just wrap it in foil. ;)
[22:11] <UnaClocker> Stick it in a metallized static bag, maybe...
[22:11] <[Saint]> That might not necessarily have the desired effect.
[22:11] <[Saint]> the latter would, or, should.
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[22:31] <NovaXeros> anyone with a bit of electronic knowledge I can pick the brains of?
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[22:33] <NovaXeros> Particularly with resistance ladders and steering wheel controls for stereos, and possible ways of getting the raspberry pi to listen
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[22:36] <NovaXeros> well, on the off chance that there's someone in here who just isn't looking right now but might in a few minutes, I'm basically wondering if anyone knows if there's a way/possibility of getting some kind of IC to translate a resistance reading down a single wire
[22:37] <NovaXeros> and converting it to a digital signal the GPIO can read and use
[22:38] <NovaXeros> IE, atm I'm using an MCP3008 over SPI to convert voltage levels to digital signals, and then I use a really crude python script to run sh scripts baseed on the digital signal received by the ADC.
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> Why are you trying to measure a resistance.
[22:39] <NovaXeros> Problem is, the wire I wanted the ADC to receive the analog signal from doesn't seem to carry any voltage, or at least have a way for me to use its voltage as the ref on the ADC
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> there is a crude way to do what you want.
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> it involves using an RC circuit - you need a capacitor & a 2nd resistor
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> accuracy isn't brilliant, but it's workable for things like light dependant resistors..
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I'd stick to the 3008 though
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> however you can read it directly using the gpio program without needing a python shim.
[22:41] <NovaXeros> @gordonDrogon forgive my ignorance, as until yesterday I'd never even messed with neither python nor wiring, but wouldn't that RC circuit depend on the capacitor being charged? Any attempt to read a voltage over the wire in question using a multimeter returns 0 volts.
[22:41] <NovaXeros> Yet, when I put the multimeter into resistance mode, on the same wire, and a ground wire, I can read off the individual resistances of when the buttons are pressed.
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> NovaXeros, yes, it depends on the capacitor being charged - so it needs a voltage source that can supply a few milliamps too.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> if the output is high impedance, then it probably won't work.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> it ought to work for a resistance ladder though.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> but you really need a C program to get the timing accurate.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> there are I2C ADC chips - that takes it down to 2 wires + ground...
[22:44] <NovaXeros> What about the inputs on the ADC chips? Don't they need to input a voltage that is between ground and the reference voltage?
[22:44] <NovaXeros> Again, sorry if that's wrong, but this is all VERY new to me.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> yes - so a resistor ladder needs a final resistor to ground and you measure the voltage across that.
[22:45] <[Saint]> Its the Internet - no one needs to apologise for being wrong, its accepted as a given.
[22:45] <[Saint]> We're all wrong. :)
[22:45] <pksato> If have a ADC, just build a volatage divider using this ladders.
[22:45] <pksato> voltage
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> unless it's built into the device - I had a LCD panel that had it built in - it needed 3 wires, +v, 0v and the output and had 5 buttons on it.
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> brb. got a cake in the oven that needs checking.
[22:46] <NovaXeros> Like, my current python script does the standard, "reports 0 if receiving no voltage, but reports 1023 if receiving 3.3v" The problem is my buttons have 3 wires on it, a power-in that feeds the LEDs behind the buttons, a ground wire, and an output wire that goes to the old stereo
[22:47] <NovaXeros> that output wire doesn't seem to send any voltage at all, no idea why it doesn't, but if I connect that to ground through a multimeter and read the resistance, it reads 3.7kohms, until a button is pressed, then it drops to whatever the resistance of that button is.
[22:47] <NovaXeros> always under 3.7kohms.
[22:47] <NovaXeros> for instance, pushing volume up would dip the resistance to 1.5kohms.
[22:47] <NovaXeros> BUT
[22:47] <NovaXeros> there's still no voltage change on the voltmeter.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> (needs a few mins more)
[22:48] <NovaXeros> That's what confuses me.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> to get volts out, you need to connect power into it.
[22:48] <pksato> NovaXeros: put a 4k7 or 10k resistor between 3v3 and this wire. and gnd to gound.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> so connect it to +3.3v and 0v, then measure the voltage between 0v and the output pin.
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[22:50] <NovaXeros> But if I feed 3.3v into the steering wheel control wire, then connect that same wire up to the input on the ADC, even with all the buttons unpushed, all 3.3v is going to be read by the ADC won't it?
[22:51] <NovaXeros> and when I press a button, the resistance won't make a difference, because the 3.3v would just go to the ADC, and not down the button's resistor ladder to its own ground, am I right?
[22:51] <NovaXeros> Or is that not how this works?
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> I don't know - you'd really need to work out the circuit diagram.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> ie. work out if it has the final resistor in-place, or if you need to add it in.
[22:52] <pksato> NovaXeros: have photos of this 'device'?
[22:53] <NovaXeros> unfortunately, not of my own actual device, as its attached to the steering wheel, and removing it is a total pita. Currently scouring google for the 18th time today for a circuit diagram in hope it might help
[22:55] <pksato> steering wheel? some toy remote control?
[22:56] <NovaXeros> nope, actual steering wheel in a car with buttons for the stereo. I'm putting a raspberry pi in there as I'm too cheap for a fancy ass head unit with bluetooth and controls :D
[22:56] <NovaXeros> That and I wanted a project to do. Thought I was getting somewhere when I made my own little buttons/resistor ladder that made the ADC send track changing commands to my pi
[22:57] <NovaXeros> then found that the buttons I had made and the inputs I had created were NOTHING like the ones actually in the car.
[22:57] <NovaXeros> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/leegsi73/HOW2s/StereoControl3.jpg
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> if you hook into it and there are other things still reading it, then you don't want to interfere with the functions...
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> brb. cake time again.
[22:57] <NovaXeros> That's a picture I've managed to dig up of the actual circuit board hidden behind the buttons.
[22:58] <D4CH_RPi> holy shit this is cool
[22:58] <D4CH_RPi> I just found out I can tune my internet connection on my ISP website
[22:58] <NovaXeros> The only wire that appears behind the stereo is the blue/red. It never passes any voltage, but I can use it in combo with a multimeter to a common ground and read the resistances of the buttons.
[22:58] <D4CH_RPi> Either have a high download rate and low upload rate, or I can turn a button and choose higher upload and thus download goes down
[22:59] <NovaXeros> The white/grey wire is the power wire for the LEDS.
[22:59] <NovaXeros> So by deduction, the brown is a common ground for both the resistors and the LEDs.
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[22:59] <NovaXeros> And D4CH_RPi I need something like that for my ISP, but one that allows me to actually have a registerable download speed.
[23:00] <NovaXeros> not just the shoddy 4.5mbps I barely get on a good dat.
[23:00] <NovaXeros> *day
[23:00] <D4CH_RPi> I can choose 60/12 (current) or 48/24 or 36/36
[23:00] <pksato> NovaXeros: and you wat to connect it only to RPi?
[23:00] <pksato> and use RPi as media/sound player?
[23:01] <NovaXeros> Yeah, and my current head unit as the actual amp. I just want to be able to change the tracks on the pi using the steering wheel control.
[23:01] <pwillard> has anyone ever tried to install rrdtool and use the python interface "import rdtool"?
[23:02] <pksato> NovaXeros: and each botton have a diferent resistance?
[23:03] <NovaXeros> Yeah. From what I've gathered, the ladder all adds up to 3.7kohms, and when you push a button, it shorts at a different point of the ladder resulting in a lesser resistance than 3.7kohms.
[23:04] <pksato> and, if apply some voltage on white/grey, dont have any volts on red/blue?
[23:05] <NovaXeros> nope. The white/grey one feeds voltage to the LEDs and only the LEDs from what I've seen. At the back of the HU, where the ISO plug is, both blue/red and the white one are there, but only the blue/red seems to have any interaction with the actual buttons.
[23:07] <[Saint]> Just add a mic and yell at it with voice control. Easier. :)
[23:07] <pksato> Some system use a network of resistor to make a voltage divider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_divider
[23:08] <pksato> and, read diferente voltage if some button are pressed.
[23:08] <[Saint]> Then you get to impress people by telling your car to do things. Bonus points for Knight Rider Kitt sound effects.
[23:09] <pksato> On figure two, a simples voltage divider.
[23:09] <[Saint]> Either that, or Hal.
[23:10] <NovaXeros> Based on this roadblock, Saint, I'm thinking that might just be the next option.
[23:10] <[Saint]> Its an option that exists, at least.
[23:11] <[Saint]> Google up your bad self some "Voice Command+raspberry pi"
[23:11] <[Saint]> Works like a charm.
[23:11] <NovaXeros> I wanted a challenge when I started this, and everything has been easy so far, so it's about time things got harder. I think the bigger problem is that I'm not sure what I'm dealing with 100%.
[23:12] <NovaXeros> pksato, that looks like it could be along those lines, but I still don't know where I'd get Vout from.
[23:12] <NovaXeros> Vout looks like it would be the input for my ADC.
[23:12] <pksato> Add more resistor parallel to R2, but, instead direct connected to GND, are conneted to switch. If each resistor have a diferent value, when close switch, out put show diferente voltage.
[23:12] <[Saint]> Hmmm - whoops.
[23:13] <[Saint]> Hindsight Edition: Voice Command will probably work terribly competing with car audio
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> open the pod bay doors, hal ...
[23:13] <pksato> NovaXeros: on you board, may be, is missing R1 resistor.
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[23:14] <Hal> I'm sorry gordonDrogon, I can't do that.
[23:14] * Hal is now known as [Saint]
[23:14] <chod> :D
[23:16] <NovaXeros> pksato: So considering red/blue would normally go into the back of the stock head unit, how would the stock HU read the buttons pressed? Surely it would have to feed a voltage down this wire to make the resistors make a difference in the signal
[23:16] <NovaXeros> but when it does that, surely it can't then use the same wire to read back the result of the different resistance
[23:16] <NovaXeros> Unless:
[23:16] <NovaXeros> now, bare with me on this one, cos like I said, I know very little electronics atm.
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[23:17] <NovaXeros> could it be that it feeds voltage down that wire and back into itself, and when the resistors are opened, more voltage goes down the buttons and to the ground instead of the head unit, causing the head unit to detect a difference in the reference voltage, resulting in Vout?
[23:17] <pksato> Its is the problem...
[23:18] <NovaXeros> Or would the voltage just outright ignore the buttons anyway and always feed max voltage into stereo?
[23:19] <NovaXeros> doesn't electricity go for the easiest route? Or would it always split proportionately between what's easy and what's accessible?
[23:20] <pksato> Need to stude some laws.
[23:21] <pksato> Ohms laws and Kirchhoff's laws .
[23:21] <NovaXeros> If it would split, then actually that might be the answer. If I fed the blue/red wire the same 3.3v as the MCP3008's Vref, and also connected the blue/red back to input pin, then the ADC will receive close to 3.3v when the buttons are not pressed.
[23:22] <NovaXeros> But when the buttons are pressed, some voltage would go through the buttons, resulting in the ADC reporting a different digital signal, which could be used by the pi as the input.
[23:22] <NovaXeros> Maybe?
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[23:29] <[Saint]> depends how one deines "easiest route"
[23:30] <[Saint]> If that means "path of least resistance", then, yes.
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[23:34] <NovaXeros> Unfortunately, there's nothing more I can do today. I have work early in the morning so I'm just gonna have to continue this experiment tomorrow. I think if that last idea doesn't work and I can't use the 3.3v on the pi to send power to the buttons, and somehow measure the difference in voltage when the buttons are pressed using the same wire I'm feeding the reference voltage down, then I think I'll have to throw in the towel
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[23:35] <NovaXeros> And by throw in the towel, I mean, keep trying no matter how futile things are getting. Or damn well making my own push buttons and insulation taping them to the dashboard of the car.
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[23:37] <NovaXeros> In the mean time, thanks for all the help guys, and again, sorry about my distinct lack of electrical knowledge. Half of what I'm doing is for the learning process. The other half, some kind of masochism I guess.
[23:37] <NovaXeros> Night all.
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[23:38] <[Saint]> "Half of what I'm doing is for the learning process. The other half, some kind of masochism I guess" <-- Heh, this guy gets life.
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[23:41] <hepikkat> hi there
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[23:43] <Serus> hi
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[23:43] <Serus> could somebody of you guys help me fix my MBR? the guys at ##linux have no intention of being helpful
[23:45] <aphorise> Serus: what do you mean fix your mbr? - whats the issue what you trying to achieve - is this rpi related?
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[23:45] <Serus> it's not
[23:46] <aphorise> Ok which os?
[23:47] <pwillard> did you ever have one of those days where you start by thinking... maybe I'll do a web page today... you google up some nice javascript and a realize Oh RRDTOOL would be perfect... only every step means a new missing dependendy or some odd thing to trouble shoot and then you step back after solving issue after issue and ask yourself... "What was I actually doing all this for?" and you have to really think about it?
[23:47] <Serus> at the moment I'm in linux mint debian edition live USB
[23:47] <christo_m> [Saint]: how did you cross build it
[23:48] <aphorise> Serus: ok ok... but which OS / parition type are you trying to fix the MBR of?
[23:48] <christo_m> fucking thing froze.. i just took a nap, came back, and it froze on gameboy complitaion
[23:49] <christo_m> [Saint]: also im talking about retropie.
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[23:49] <Serus> aphorise: The problem is, I installed linux mint debian edition, but my laptop still boots into windows
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[23:51] <aphorise> Serus: so do you want to boot both? - and most likely if you are on Command Line Interface - you can set active partition to be that of your mint parition .... run fdisk /dev/sd....X most likely will be sda or sdb if its your SSD / IDE hard-disk.
[23:52] <aphorise> Serus: you'll see an astricks next to the parition thats active - which most likely is your smaller windows (system( parition
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[23:53] <aphorise> Serus: if your advanced user - then I can recommend another technique where by you can boot from the same bootloader as Windows.
[23:55] <Serus> I see
[23:55] <aphorise> Serus: that is to say boot from Windows bootloader to Linux - but this is more work.... 3rd alternative if you dont want any of that re-do install using entire disk - I think mint comes with HDD formating / sizing tools as part of its distro
[23:56] <Serus> it does yes
[23:56] <aphorise> If you dont want Windows - then simply re-run it deleting your current partiions and use entire disk :-)
[23:57] <Serus> I do want windows
[23:57] <aphorise> Serus: your smart ;-) - then see how you get along with a re-install - also can I ask why mint over regular debian?
[23:58] <Serus> Because I like cinnamon too much :)
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