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IRC Log for 2013-11-09

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[0:00] <Encrypt> :)
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[0:14] <ponA> did someone join who knows the DS18B20 tempreature sensors?
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[0:17] <Phosie> Woohoo, got quassel configured.
[0:17] <Phosie> I think. :P
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[0:24] <ponA> what is quassel?
[0:24] <malcom2073> It's an IRC client
[0:25] <malcom2073> With a server component, so you can have the server always connected to the network, then connect from wherever with the client
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[0:25] <malcom2073> google it, it's useful :)
[0:25] <Phosie> I was wrong, no idea how to do this.
[0:27] <kylethebaker> are you able to hotswap gpio cables on the pi?
[0:27] <kylethebaker> swap out cables and stuff without having to power it off?
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[0:27] <Phosie> Yes, just be careful not to short anything.
[0:28] <ThiefMaster> if you don't short some pins while doing so (unlikely with proper connectors) i don't see a reason why not. they are just generic io pins after all and don't speak a certain protocol
[0:28] <kylethebaker> also, is there any risk of damaging the pi with some shoddy circuits from a breadboard?
[0:28] <malcom2073> Yep.
[0:30] * Phosie sighs
[0:30] <Phosie> I hate my router.
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[0:37] <ponA> why do you hate it?
[0:38] <sney> I hate my router too. well, maybe "hate" is too strong a word
[0:38] <sney> I strongly wish my isp would let me provide my own router.
[0:38] <Phosie> because of ^
[0:39] <Phosie> This router is so restricted. I cannot even switch to google DNS
[0:39] <ponA> what isp are you using?
[0:39] <Phosie> Sky Broadband.
[0:39] <sney> I can switch my dns, forward ports, I've got all kinds of options for wireless security, it has qos for video streams, on paper my router is actually pretty good
[0:39] <Phosie> I'm unable to forward ports as well it seems, or at the very least I'm unable to connect to quassel.
[0:40] <sney> the problem is it gets hot and needs to be rebooted far more often than is nice. and sometimes its embedded control panel crashes for no reason
[0:40] <ponA> phosie: i'm just nosy, but where do you live?
[0:40] <Phosie> Use quassel they said, it's great they said. I just want to pull my hair out.
[0:40] <Phosie> England.
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[0:42] <ThiefMaster> why not get a decent router where you can install e.g. dd-wrt?
[0:43] <ponA> i live in germany and i recently read an article about what ISPs should be allowed to dictate
[0:43] <Phosie> Because my ISP does not support another router, they require you to use their firmware.
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[0:43] <Phosie> or jump through a lot of hoops.
[0:44] <ponA> the trend is what phosie says, your internet connection begins behind the router they provide
[0:44] <Phosie> I love googling a problem, and finding a forum post by me looking for help with the very same problem, and a solution. :)
[0:44] <Phosie> \o/
[0:46] <malcom2073> lol
[0:48] <Phosie> Arghh. This isn't worth the effort...
[0:49] <ponA> i tell this myself a lot, and then it takes one day and i am sitting there again googling the problem :)
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[0:50] <Phosie> I give up.
[0:51] <Phosie> I'll just stick with screen + irssi
[0:51] <Phosie> At least that works.
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[0:53] <Phosie> and now my pi wont boot. Brilliant!
[0:53] <ThiefMaster> <Phosie> Because my ISP does not support another router, they require you to use their firmware. <- you can usually use it as a modem and connect your own router (if you can configure your router to simply get its ip via dhcp on the uplink port)
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[0:54] <ThiefMaster> that's usually a good idea anyway to keep devices that are not under your control (the ISP-provided modem/router usually has remote firmware update capabilities etc that could certainly be abused) outside your local network
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[0:57] <Phosie> I may be in and out over the next few minutes, sorry :)
[0:59] <kylethebaker> i started my pi without the hdmi hooked up and now it doesn't seem to be working. is there a command i need to run or is hdmi not hotswappable. i read that it will fallback on analog if it doesnt have a connection on boot so im thinking thats whats going on
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[1:02] <ponA> i have a similar question: if i plug the keyboard in after i opened xbmc it will not be recognized, is there a way to make it hotswapable?
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[1:03] <YellowGT0> Hey guys
[1:03] <Phosie> I asked that on the raspbmc channel, didn't really get much help. ponA
[1:03] <ponA> okay, thx phosie!
[1:04] <YellowGT0> I own a few pis and what I would like to do. 8 PIs with camera boards feed to 1 Server and have that server display all the camera feeds like a DVR?
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[1:05] <YellowGT0> Everything I lookup about multiple cameras seems to be about running multiple camera on a single pi, not networking a bunch of individual pis together
[1:06] <ponA> how are the cameras usually viewed? locally and then via VNC?
[1:07] <YellowGT0> Thats up for discussion. I've not decided the exact setup eyut
[1:07] <ponA> aren't there any vnc clients which allow multiple connections?
[1:07] <YellowGT0> Whatever is the easiest to get a result like this http://www.apexcctv.com/images/Vivotek/ST7501/Screen_Shot.jpg
[1:07] <sney> it'd probably make more sense to treat it like security cameras
[1:08] <sney> where each pi is just streaming the output from its camera, and then the server runs something like zoneminder and monitors all of them
[1:08] <YellowGT0> Yeah exactly
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[1:08] <sney> ok, so that's your solution then. just figure out what pi-capable video stream works best for your needs, and do the rest of the configuration on the server end
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[1:09] <YellowGT0> Im not really educated on the backend of security software
[1:09] <YellowGT0> Like how to feed a custom feed into some software
[1:10] <YellowGT0> You think I could just use some streamer and configure zoneminder to accept that feed?
[1:10] <sney> yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what zoneminder does
[1:10] <YellowGT0> I always thought these camera ran of off proprietary streams to proprietary software
[1:11] <YellowGT0> If its really that simple I will be very excited :)
[1:11] <sney> some cameras use proprietary garbage that requires internet explorer. most of the decent ones poop some kind of standard video stream like h.264
[1:11] * Benguin is now known as Benguin[ZzZ]
[1:12] <YellowGT0> Ill have to drive to the store tomorrow and pickup a camera module
[1:12] <YellowGT0> And test it with zone minder
[1:13] * Phosie sits in the corner and twiddles her thumbs.
[1:13] <ponA> it really baffles me over and over again what kinds of projects people are realzing with the pi
[1:13] <YellowGT0> Well now im bored because you solved my nightly puzzle to quickly
[1:13] <sney> lol
[1:13] <Phosie> YellowGT0: You can solve my puzzle if you want.
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[1:14] <YellowGT0> Its easy, you push the switch down to turn the light off and push the switch up to turn it on Phosie :D
[1:14] <Phosie> Har har
[1:14] <YellowGT0> Heh
[1:15] <YellowGT0> I bought a Netduino and a Pi around the same tiem
[1:15] <YellowGT0> And i've been to busy with the Pi to even touch the netduino :/
[1:15] <Phosie> I barely use the GPIO on the pi anymore.
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[1:16] <YellowGT0> Why?
[1:16] <Phosie> I bought an arduino.
[1:16] <kylethebaker> im getting a blank screen with my hdmi hookup. no special adapters, just straight hdmi->hdmi. ive toggled it by doing tvserver -o followed by -p and can see the status. my tv isn't complaining about lacking an input. anyone have suggestions?
[1:16] <Phosie> Much prefer it. And my case didn't make things any easier.
[1:16] <YellowGT0> Oh yeah, you like using the duino more then the pi?
[1:16] <Phosie> kylethebaker: hdmi_force_hotplug=1 hdmi_drive=2 works for me
[1:17] <kylethebaker> Phosie: would i have to reboot then?
[1:17] <YellowGT0> Im a Network admin so programing isn't my strongest area :D
[1:17] <Phosie> I prefer using the arduino YellowGT0, it just seems much easier to get things up and running.
[1:17] <Phosie> kylethebaker: Yes
[1:17] <kylethebaker> drats
[1:17] <sney> pish, a reboot on an embedded device is practically instant
[1:17] <ponA> phosie: where do i put that?
[1:17] <ponA> i mean in which file :)
[1:18] <sney> config.txt?
[1:18] <YellowGT0> I've been to busy with all the media abilities of the Pi
[1:18] <YellowGT0> But GPIO was my next project
[1:18] <Phosie> yes it goes in config.txt
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[1:19] <ponA> thx guys
[1:19] <YellowGT0> Netduino runs C# though so it make it nice and easy for me :)
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[1:29] <ponA> HDMI hotplug runs fine, thx again!
[1:31] <Phosie> You're welcome, I had the same problem.
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[2:42] <ponA> really off topic, but i just overcame the most ravenous appetite for pizza i ever had and i am a bit proud of myself
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[3:30] <happygilmoregent> is there any language you can't get on pi?
[3:30] <happygilmoregent> or raspian
[3:31] <fuzzer37> No, as long as you find a compiler or interpreter
[3:31] <fuzzer37> You mean programming language, right?
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[3:33] <happygilmoregent> yeah
[3:34] <happygilmoregent> does pi being a linux base have keyboard configs for hebrew etc
[3:34] <fuzzer37> yeah
[3:34] <happygilmoregent> cool
[3:34] <fuzzer37> if you're on raspian, go to your terminal and type
[3:34] <fuzzer37> sudo raspi-config
[3:34] <fuzzer37> or \
[3:35] <fuzzer37> it might be sudo raspiconfig
[3:35] <fuzzer37> and its in, like, keyboard layout
[3:36] <happygilmoregent> ok
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[3:36] <happygilmoregent> don't have a raz box yet
[3:38] <happygilmoregent> but looking to get one
[3:39] <fuzzer37> They're pretty nifty. Its fun to try out all the diffrent Operating Systems.
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[3:40] <Phosie> raz box?
[3:40] <happygilmoregent> raspberry pi box
[3:40] <Phosie> ah
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[3:41] <happygilmoregent> any flavor preferences for funtionality?
[3:42] <Phosie> Depends on what you want to do.
[3:42] <fuzzer37> for functionality, Raspian is really nice imo. Its very useable
[3:42] <happygilmoregent> is it ok as a portable computer
[3:42] <Phosie> My pi is just a media centre / Quassel core at the moment.
[3:43] <Phosie> It can be used as a portable computer, not very powerful though.
[3:43] <happygilmoregent> can you distcc raz box
[3:43] <Phosie> distcc?
[3:43] <happygilmoregent> distrubuted computing
[3:43] <happygilmoregent> or compiling
[3:43] <fuzzer37> Me and my friend tryed it
[3:43] <fuzzer37> let me find the link
[3:44] <fuzzer37> http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~sjc/raspberrypi/pi_supercomputer_southampton.htm
[3:44] <happygilmoregent> are you all amateur radio operators or just computer people?
[3:44] <fuzzer37> That is a really good guide to it, but we couldnt get it to work
[3:44] <Phosie> I'm a computer people.
[3:44] <fuzzer37> I'm just a computer person
[3:46] <happygilmoregent> how many bogomips does pi have?
[3:47] <happygilmoregent> pentium 3 or higher level?
[3:48] <Phosie> 700mhz, can be overclocked
[3:48] <happygilmoregent> does pi support usb hard drive
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[3:48] <pksato> bogomips can not be used as benchmark reference, its is only a number.
[3:49] <happygilmoregent> ok
[3:49] <Phosie> With a powered hub, yes
[3:49] <fuzzer37> If its a powered hard drive
[3:49] <happygilmoregent> ok but how are the usb ports wired?
[3:49] <fuzzer37> The USB output on pi can only output 140(?)miliamperes
[3:49] <happygilmoregent> is that usb 1.1 or 2.0?
[3:50] <fuzzer37> 2.0
[3:50] <happygilmoregent> ok so if you had a harddrive that required it's own power supply would it work?
[3:51] <Phosie> yes
[3:51] <fuzzer37> Yeah, as long as its plugged in
[3:51] <happygilmoregent> ok but you can't hook pi to a usb port on a computer?
[3:51] <happygilmoregent> was told it would fry it
[3:51] <Phosie> haven't tried it personally.
[3:51] <fuzzer37> As long as your sure the computer can output 700 miliamperes @ 5v
[3:51] <pksato> armv6 cpu used on RPi have a similar (better) performance that a PIII. ~
[3:52] <fuzzer37> I'm not sure how you would go about checking that, but i've heard its a bad idea
[3:52] <happygilmoregent> does default setup give a set swap partition?
[3:52] <Phosie> Isn't USB 500ma?
[3:52] <fuzzer37> I'm pretty sure it does.
[3:53] <Phosie> default setup....dependant on OS.
[3:53] <happygilmoregent> ok
[3:53] <fuzzer37> Is it? I'm not sure. If it is, then yeah, it's a bad idea to try to power a pi on 500ma
[3:53] <happygilmoregent> do you have to fdisk for raspbian?
[3:53] <pksato> but have a powerfull GPU, can play games and movies.
[3:54] <Phosie> I'm watching youtube videos on my pi right now.
[3:54] <fuzzer37> Really? HTML5 only, or did you use some version of gnash?
[3:55] <pksato> happygilmoregent: all that have on linux for x86 have on RPi.
[3:55] <Phosie> fuzzer37: Raspbmc
[3:56] <fuzzer37> How does it work, though? I thought you had to have Flash to watch most videos.
[3:56] <happygilmoregent> ok
[3:56] <Phosie> No idea how it works...it just does lol
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[3:56] <Phosie> I didn't write the addon
[3:56] <happygilmoregent> if you can get google-chrome you get libpepperflash
[3:57] <pksato> youtube api, like other players
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[3:57] <fuzzer37> You can get chromium, but i'm not sure you can get regular chrome
[3:57] <happygilmoregent> I have it on my gentoo box and it's google-chrome-beta
[3:58] <fuzzer37> oh, really? I tryed getting chrome a while (>6months) ago, and i couldn't find it. That's pretty cool
[3:59] <Phosie> I love how I can control the pi with my tv remote.
[3:59] <happygilmoregent> I installed firefox but adobe has stopped supporting flash and the plugin they supply kept seqfaulting
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[4:00] <happygilmoregent> chrome no problem
[4:01] <pksato> rectify, all open source applications that have to x86 have on RPi linux. except architecture specific stuff.
[4:03] <clever> happygilmoregent: did you install libcurl?
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[4:03] <fuzzer37> Although, compiling from source takes quite a while on RPi's
[4:03] <happygilmoregent> I think so don't remeber
[4:03] <clever> happygilmoregent: flash require curl to work properly
[4:03] <happygilmoregent> that's why you distcc them
[4:03] <clever> there is a bug in it, if it cant load curl, it segfaults
[4:03] <Phosie> I remember compiling quake on my pi, took nearly an hour.
[4:04] <happygilmoregent> quake?
[4:04] <Phosie> Quake Arena
[4:04] <happygilmoregent> oh boy
[4:04] <Phosie> Totally worth it.
[4:04] <fuzzer37> I had to compile a Message passing interface (MPICH3), for a cluster i was trying to make. I think it took about half an hour to 45 mins
[4:05] <clever> fuzzer37: i recently made some scripts you may like
[4:05] <clever> https://github.com/cleverca22/crosspiroot
[4:05] <fuzzer37> Really? What do they do?
[4:05] <happygilmoregent> apt-get does that undo from .deb or does raspbian or linux flavors for pi have a special extension
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[4:05] <clever> it lets you chroot into a raspberry pi .img file
[4:06] <clever> fuzzer37: it uses qemu to emulate the arm core, for just the userspace half of things, it all kernel stuff goes thru your existing x86 kernel
[4:06] <fuzzer37> wow, thats really cool. I never thought about doing something like that.
[4:07] <clever> the way ive got it setup, i can chroot into an .img and pre-install things like avahi
[4:07] <clever> then burn that img to many SD cards
[4:07] <clever> it has never booted on a pi before, so none of that stuff has to be cleaned up
[4:08] <clever> things like the ssh server keys and mac address
[4:09] <clever> another weird side-effect, you can run x86 programs inside that chroot
[4:09] <fuzzer37> Thats cool, because the reason i couldn't get the cluster to work is that i couldn't get the public/private SSH keys to work between them
[4:09] <clever> so with some work, you may be able to get an x86->arm cross compiler stuffed in
[4:09] <clever> and then run that, to bypass the emulation overhead
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[4:11] <clever> in theory, you can also use the reverse method, to run x86 on a real pi
[4:11] <clever> make an arm->x86 qemu userspace build
[4:11] <clever> but it wont perform very wel
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[4:12] <fuzzer37> That would be wierd. lol. 99% of x86 CPU's are faster than the Pi.
[4:13] <clever> let me see what some benchmarks say with my chroot
[4:14] <clever> ok, 'openssl speed' is only using one core
[4:15] <clever> oh yeah,another side-effect of my chroot trick, quad core pi
[4:15] <clever> it will use as many cores as the host has
[4:15] <fuzzer37> Thats pretty awesome
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[4:16] <clever> i would just be carefull with the gpio programs
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[4:16] <clever> because it has real root on the host, it will start poking at memory locations that have a completely different effect on x86
[4:17] <fuzzer37> ahh, that would be bad.
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[4:20] <clever> the gpu stuff is going to fail in a safer way, since its all done thru ioctl's to /dev/vchiq
[4:20] <clever> which simply doesnt exist on the x86 host
[4:20] <clever> Doing mdc2 for 3s on 16 size blocks: 729198 mdc2's in 2.81s
[4:20] <clever> just a rough measure of openssl speed
[4:21] <fuzzer37> You know a great deal more about this than i do. I've never worked with the GPIO pins or any of the other low level conections
[4:21] <clever> Doing md4 for 3s on 16 size blocks: 143834 md4's in 2.89s
[4:21] <clever> same measurement under the qemu chroot
[4:21] <clever> about 1/7th the speed roughly
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[4:21] <clever> so you would need an 8 core host and proper thread support to be able to meet speed of a single core on the host
[4:22] <clever> vs a real pi, id have to plug mine in...
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[4:23] <clever> Doing md4 for 3s on 16 size blocks: 376505 md4's in 2.97s
[4:23] <clever> doh, it ran a different test first
[4:23] <clever> but the real pi is about double the speed of the emulated one
[4:24] <clever> with my laptop in the lowest possible speed
[4:24] <clever> lets see how far i can push things
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[4:27] <clever> qemu: Doing aes-256 cbc for 3s on 8192 size blocks: 4328 aes-256 cbc's in 2.94s
[4:28] <clever> real pi: Doing aes-256 cbc for 3s on 8192 size blocks: 1258 aes-256 cbc's in 2.77s
[4:28] <clever> about 30% of the speed
[4:29] <clever> and thats with an old laptop using only 1 core
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[4:30] <fuzzer37> That's pretty cool.
[4:31] <clever> dang,missed the friday tv shows
[4:31] <clever> atleast they have streaming
[4:32] <fuzzer37> Which shows?
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[4:32] <Phosie> ^
[4:33] <clever> lets see, tonight it was ranma 1/2, magi, gurren lagann, and madoka
[4:33] <fuzzer37> What country?
[4:33] <Phosie> I'm lost
[4:33] <clever> its a streaming service online, works in any country
[4:33] <clever> http://neonalley.com/
[4:33] <woodjrx> Tenga
[4:33] <woodjrx> Is the best anime ever made
[4:34] <clever> :D
[4:34] <clever> woodjrx: you seen the stuff that the staff is making now?
[4:34] <woodjrx> (sorry, had to chime in, when you said that)
[4:34] <woodjrx> No - what?
[4:34] <clever> kill la kill
[4:34] <clever> the staff that made gurren lagann are now making that
[4:35] <woodjrx> Definitely going to have to check that out
[4:35] <clever> and it wont let me watch the shows, because sony changed the license agreement
[4:35] <clever> and the app requires you to sign into PSN to work
[4:35] <woodjrx> Interesting
[4:35] <clever> same thing happens with ps3 os updates
[4:36] <clever> cant watch anything until you apply the update
[4:36] <clever> because you cant sign into the playstation network without the update
[4:36] <woodjrx> yeah, that's one of the many reasons that i never use my ps3... every time i want to use it, i have to update everything
[4:37] <clever> they recently added pc and mac to the website, so you can bypass that now
[4:37] <clever> it uses silverlight, so linux is out of the question
[4:37] <woodjrx> arg :(
[4:37] <fuzzer37> what year is this? 2000?
[4:37] <clever> fuzzer37: yeah
[4:37] <woodjrx> Currently on a pi, trying out arch linux
[4:38] <fuzzer37> Oh, i really liked arch
[4:38] <clever> woodjrx: main reason to use the ps3, is that it works with the tv better
[4:39] <clever> but they havent added proper support for the bluray remote yet
[4:39] <clever> the enter key doesnt do a thing, you have to use x
[4:39] <clever> and play/pause are useless, x again!
[4:39] <woodjrx> haha, nice. Gotta love that sorta stuff
[4:39] <woodjrx> fuzzer37: yeah, it's kinda like my love for rouge-likes
[4:40] <clever> i do have the pc on the same tv, but the VGA isnt as good of a quality, and then i have to share the cpu
[4:40] <woodjrx> It is completely unforgiving, but when you get it to do what you want, you feel awesome
[4:40] <woodjrx> rogue*
[4:40] <clever> oh, another massively broken thing
[4:40] <clever> if the TV is on an hdmi input, you can enable 'theater sync'
[4:40] <clever> the tv volume remote, controls the sound system over cec
[4:40] <clever> so one remote controls both devices
[4:41] <clever> but over vga, it just says nope!
[4:41] <fuzzer37> Has anyone gotten a window manager to run on arch?
[4:41] <Phosie> I have.
[4:42] <Phosie> Wait... I may be confusing dm with wm
[4:42] <fuzzer37> What did you use?
[4:42] <Phosie> I used LXDM
[4:42] <Phosie> Same as raspbian
[4:42] <clever> here is the result of the benchmarks of the pi vs qemu: http://privatepaste.com/0d4932cccf
[4:42] <woodjrx> I just installed lxde
[4:42] <Phosie> lxde or lxdm, I forget
[4:43] <fuzzer37> Thats cool. I tryed "pacman -S" then tryed to get all the X-Window stuff and GNOME stuff, but i dont think they had it pre built for arm
[4:43] <clever> fuzzer37: i prefer ratpoison if i want a light weight window manager
[4:43] <Phosie> It's been a few months but I think I just did "pacman -S lxdm"
[4:44] <Phosie> I could be wrong though.
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[4:44] <fuzzer37> oh, thats really cool. I just used Pidora when i wanted a GUI, but Arch for a text based server
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[4:46] <Phosie> Hmm... iPlayer isn't working properly.
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[4:46] <Phosie> I would try a reboot but that means losing IRC.
[4:46] <clever> thats why i run irc on a server in the basement, and access it over screen + ssh
[4:47] <Phosie> I'm running Quassel, the core is hosted on my pi.
[4:47] <Phosie> I used to use irssi + screen.
[4:47] <woodjrx> I tried irssi, but weechat has been a lot more user friendly
[4:48] <Phosie> Irssi was perfect for my needs, usually the first thing I install.
[4:48] <fuzzer37> what is irssi?
[4:48] <clever> an irc client
[4:48] <Phosie> irc client.
[4:49] <fuzzer37> oh cool. I'm using Chatzilla now
[4:50] <Phosie> iPlayer isn't working, nothing interesting on live tv, Twitch is now my entertainment \o/
[4:51] * Matt is listening to last week's friday night is music night
[4:51] <clever> fuzzer37: oh, thats interesting
[4:52] <clever> fuzzer37: for 8kb blocks, the qemu and pi benchmarks are nearly identical
[4:52] <Matt> irssi is my irc client of choice
[4:52] <Phosie> I would listen to music, but I cannot leave raspbmc's full screen visualisations
[4:52] <Phosie> It's so annoying.
[4:52] <clever> fuzzer37: i'm guessing that the L1/L2 cache on the pi are fairly small, and it starts to cache miss too much with the large blocks
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[4:53] <clever> and then the emulated arm can catch up
[4:54] <fuzzer37> Is there any documentation on the cache size of the RPi CPU>
[4:54] <fuzzer37> ?*
[4:55] <clever> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=9717 this says that the L2 cache is shared with the GPU
[4:56] <fuzzer37> oh yeah, and thats why overclocking the GPU causes improvements on CPU speed as well
[4:56] <clever> another post says it isnt split, and that the L2 belongs to the gpu entirely
[4:56] <clever> but the cpu can access it over a rather long path
[4:58] <fuzzer37> hmm... It seems like the CPU would have the most access to caches
[4:58] <clever> core_freq Frequency of GPU processor core in MHz. It has an impact on ARM performance since it drives L2 cache. Default 250
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[4:58] <clever> and the config.txt page says that the core_freq effects the L2 cache, not the gpu_freq
[4:59] <clever> core_freq also plays a role in i2c
[4:59] <clever> there is a bug in the kernel, if you mess with core_freq, the i2c clock rate is also messed up
[4:59] <clever> double your core_freq, and you double the i2c clock at the same time
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[5:02] <woodjrx> I still can't believe that this pi has more power than my first two windows computers
[5:02] <woodjrx> And only slightly less than my third...
[5:02] <clever> i just remembered a weird hack i saw once
[5:02] <fuzzer37> its about as powerful as the first super computer if you overclock iy
[5:03] <fuzzer37> it*
[5:03] <clever> somebody was 'running' an old windows CNC program on a pi
[5:03] <woodjrx> really? wow.
[5:03] <Phosie> wow
[5:03] <clever> first, they ran the CNC program in a virtual machine, in another room
[5:03] <clever> then VNC'd it back to the pi
[5:03] <clever> and used some usb programs to share the pi's usb port back to the virtual machine
[5:03] <clever> so the software was able to control the cnc thru the usb port on the pi
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[5:05] <fuzzer37> @woodjrx the cray 2 had 1.9 GFLOPS peak performance. The Pi's GPU alone has ~2.4 GFLOPS
[5:05] <clever> brb
[5:06] <woodjrx> hahaha
[5:06] <woodjrx> I remember reading about Crays in Jurassic Park
[5:06] <Phosie> I've always wanted a 3D printer...
[5:06] <Phosie> I'd print a plastic pi.
[5:06] <woodjrx> Conky is currently taking up more cpu than x and weechat...
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[5:08] <Phosie> and I'd print my name a lot.
[5:08] <clever> back
[5:08] <Phosie> wb
[5:08] <woodjrx> One of my friends, who is a teacher just got money to start up a class on 3d printing
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[5:09] <woodjrx> they've been having a lot of fun doing bolts & nuts, coffee mugs (not to use), an iphone case, etc
[5:10] <clever> where was that project now...
[5:10] <clever> here it is, with windows 7 on the pi!, http://hackaday.com/2013/02/28/hackaday-links-february-28th-2013/
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[5:11] <clever> http://shackspace.de/?p=3859
[5:12] <clever> it was actualy a laser cutter, windows 7, and usb/ip+vnc
[5:12] <Phosie> woodjrx: That's awesome.
[5:12] <Phosie> The closest we had to a 3D printer was a micro router, or a 3D router.
[5:12] <Phosie> Barely used it though, but our laser cutter got a fair bit of use.
[5:14] <Phosie> http://simonhorsefield.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/IMG20111220_001.jpg
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[5:17] <woodjrx> brb ... going to see if I have the autostart for conky configured right.
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[5:19] <fuzzer37> Are any of you guys subscribed to the Raspberry Pi newsletter?
[5:19] <fuzzer37> http://piweekly.net/
[5:19] <Phosie> I'm not.
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[5:20] <fuzzer37> It's an ok newsetter. Not the best, but it has interesting links sometimes
[5:20] <Phosie> Weekly newsletters aren't really my thing.
[5:21] <Phosie> I don't tend to read up on things on a weekly basis, now and then I'll just feel like seeing whats new.
[5:21] <fuzzer37> to be honest, there isn't that much content in it anyway
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[5:23] <Phosie> I tend to check out the MagPi, but I haven't been too interested in the pi recently.
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[5:29] <kylethebaker> im looking to buy a powered usb hub and im a little bit confused. am i able to power the hub through a wall socket and then power the pi through the hub and also hook the hub up to the pi's usb sockets to extend them?
[5:30] <Phosie> kylethebaker: That's what I've done.
[5:30] <Phosie> I used to have a seperate power supply for the pi, but I needed it for something else.
[5:31] <fuzzer37> The USB should only work if you plug it into the Pi's USB ports, right?
[5:31] <Phosie> So I have a 2A hub, powering my pi, a keyboard and a wifi dongle.
[5:31] <Phosie> it will work if you plug it into the hub, my hub has a seperate usb port to connect it to the pi
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[5:32] <Phosie> I have 4 on the front, and one at the side to connect it to the pi.
[5:32] <kylethebaker> is that made specifically for the pi or is it just convenient like that
[5:32] <Phosie> It's from modmypi, but there is nothing stopping you from using it with something else.
[5:33] <kylethebaker> i found one that was made specifically for the pi, it said it didnt allow any power to be sent to the pi over usb which i guess is a problem for some hubs according to the wiki, but it was going to take almost a month for shipping and i can't wait that long
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[5:33] <Phosie> ouch. coming from China?
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[5:33] <woodjrx> yay! only 4 tries, but finally got conky to start on LXDE startup
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[5:33] <kylethebaker> uk i think
[5:33] <kylethebaker> they might be backordered or something
[5:34] <Phosie> https://www.modmypi.com/New-Link-4-Port-USB-Hub-(USB-2.0-with-Mains-Adaptor)
[5:34] <Phosie> That's what I have.
[5:34] <Phosie> woodjrx: Woohoo
[5:36] <woodjrx> except now it keeps disappearing...
[5:36] <woodjrx> I swear, arch is like dwarf fortress
[5:36] <Phosie> not so woohoo
[5:36] <woodjrx> Losing = Fun
[5:36] <Phosie> DF is amazing.
[5:36] <Phosie> !!fun!!
[5:36] <woodjrx> I kind of want to try DF on pi... but i'm pretty sure that the pi would kill itself
[5:37] <Phosie> It grinds to a halt on laptops eventually, the pi would commit suicide.
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[5:37] <Phosie> The cats alone would do it.
[5:37] <CBebop> Hello
[5:37] <Phosie> helllo CBebop
[5:37] <CBebop> I am bangng my head against a wall with the lack of information on what I am doing wrong -_-
[5:37] <woodjrx> Yup... Don't tell my wife, but I 'needed' a new laptop, since my old one didn't handle DF very well...
[5:37] <CBebop> Hello Phosie
[5:37] <Phosie> hahahaha
[5:38] <clever> ah, i see how the mailboxes work now
[5:38] <CBebop> Can't get resolutions to work right with HDMI, every time I run tvservice I get [E] Failed to initialize VCHI (ret=-1)
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[5:38] <clever> its just a single 32bit wide FIFO in each direction
[5:38] <CBebop> and there isnt much out there that has helped
[5:38] <clever> all it can do is write a 32bit dword to the other core
[5:39] <clever> and buffer several up
[5:39] <CBebop> Anyone have any experience with this issue?
[5:39] <Phosie> CBebop: I don't know I'm afraid :(
[5:39] <clever> most of the commands are done by writing the address of a struct with arguments
[5:40] <shiftplusone> woodjrx, getting lxde to do something is not different on arch (when compared to other distros). LXDE and startx work the same regardless of what distro you use. Though I haven't been following the conversation, so I might be wrong. Also, DF is epic.
[5:40] <Matt> morning shifty :)
[5:40] <Phosie> I want to play DF now, but I really should be sleeping.
[5:41] <CBebop> Bah, more googling shows it may be a vc library/firmware/kernal mismatch
[5:41] <shiftplusone> 'morning, Matt
[5:41] <kylethebaker> Phosie: i might have to pick that one up, i saw that one earlier but just now noticed the US adapter option
[5:42] <Phosie> kylethebaker: I recieved it within a week, but I am in the UK so...
[5:42] <Phosie> No complaints though, works a charm.
[5:42] <kylethebaker> the hubs not mission critical at the moment, the gpio stuff is though. i wanted to get everything from amazon so i could bundle the shipping but this looks too good
[5:43] <Phosie> gpio stuff?
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[5:43] <woodjrx> yeah, it wasn't an LXDE issue, it was a PEBKAC error... i'm a linux n00b, and arch doesn't have nice little gui / user-friendliness stuff (which isn't a problem, just had to figure out which autostart file i needed to edit)
[5:44] <shiftplusone> woodjrx, neither does debian.
[5:44] <kylethebaker> Phosie: just some cables, leds, resistors, stuff like that
[5:44] <shiftplusone> anyway, I am getting a little defensive about arch for some reason >.>
[5:45] <Phosie> I bought a starter kit from ebay, I really should buy more things though.
[5:45] <woodjrx> yeah, i only tried Raspbian, and now arch
[5:45] <Phosie> Like a bag of resistors and LED's
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[5:45] <woodjrx> I'm loving arch, don't get me wrong. Just is a steep learning curve for a n00b (which is for the best, rather than being coddled and having no idea how it works)
[5:46] <Phosie> I wish I used arch sooner, I would know so much more about linux.
[5:47] <shiftplusone> woodjrx, yeah. I first got into linux through opensuse and ubuntu, but I didn't feel like I knew what was going on before trying distros like gentoo, arch and even linux from scratch. After I got the hang of those, linux went from something that felt like an awkward version of windows, to something awesome.
[5:47] <woodjrx> Exact same feeling is starting right now
[5:48] <woodjrx> I've had ubuntu on my laptops for several years... and learned nothing about it
[5:48] <woodjrx> (dual booting with windows)
[5:48] <clever> i use gentoo mainly
[5:48] <clever> everything is compiled from source, at every install
[5:49] <Phosie> I want to try arch on my netbook, but I really don't want to go through the hassle of formatting.
[5:49] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I would recommend going through a gentoo install at least once (after you get the hang of arch)
[5:49] <shiftplusone> could do it in a VM.
[5:49] <Phosie> true, I barely have enough disk space for the iso
[5:49] <shiftplusone> ah
[5:49] <Phosie> free disk space.
[5:50] <Phosie> or img, or whatever it is.
[5:50] <clever> i typicaly install gentoo from a stage3 file
[5:50] <clever> its basicaly just a .tar of a fully working root filesystem
[5:50] <clever> minus the kernel and bootloader
[5:50] <shiftplusone> isn't that the standard install?
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[5:51] <shiftplusone> (she was talking about arch, not gentoo though)
[5:51] <clever> shiftplusone: the other main option is a .iso that boots up, and i think also contains a stage3
[5:51] <clever> i just use an existing linux system to do that
[5:51] <shiftplusone> yeah, the iso is just a livecd
[5:51] <woodjrx> And i'm totally lost ^.^
[5:51] <Phosie> So am I
[5:51] <shiftplusone> same
[5:51] <clever> then lets not discuss writing and fixing kernel drivers! :P
[5:52] <shiftplusone> wouldn't dream of it
[5:52] <clever> shiftplusone: is your pi on?
[5:52] <Phosie> I wouldn't know where to begin.
[5:52] <shiftplusone> nope
[5:52] <clever> Phosie: i read a book on it
[5:52] <Phosie> I have so many books I don't understand.
[5:53] <kylethebaker> i've learned a lot from arch, but somehow the concept of chroot is still a mystery to me
[5:53] <clever> shiftplusone: http://pastebin.com/Udr9wriH
[5:53] <clever> shiftplusone: check line 4
[5:53] <Phosie> "operating systems - a systematic view"
[5:54] <clever> kylethebaker: all it does is change the pointer that the kernel uses as / for a single process (and all its children)
[5:54] <shiftplusone> kylethebaker, instead of using / as root, you open a new root and work from there (in a nutshell). So you can use the same kernel and hardware within the existing install. For example you can run arch within gentoo or the other way around.
[5:55] <clever> you can also run full blown ubuntu on android
[5:55] <Phosie> inception
[5:55] <shiftplusone> yeah, but it's not too practical
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[5:55] <clever> i mainly use that for installs
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[5:55] <kylethebaker> littledebian for android is a debian chroot. so is it like having another init process running essentially?
[5:55] <Phosie> I can't imagine running ubuntu on my tablet.
[5:56] <woodjrx> and on that note, i'm going afk for a bit, for some mindless decompressing video games
[5:56] <shiftplusone> kylethebaker, not init, just bash.
[5:56] <clever> kylethebaker: there can only be 1 init process
[5:56] <clever> all active processes are visible from both sides of the chroot
[5:56] <shiftplusone> kylethebaker, init would launch all the services and do all kinds of fancy stuff that you don't need to do twice.
[5:56] <clever> and init must be pid 1
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[5:57] <kylethebaker> i see, are child processes from the chroot parent able to do anything outside of their relative / ?
[5:57] <kylethebaker> or is that the whole point of it
[5:58] <clever> the whole point is that they cant escape it
[5:58] <clever> but you can bend the rules with mount --bind
[5:58] <shiftplusone> it's the whole point, but you can mount the outside directories inside the chroot and there have been some hacks to escape chroot in the past.
[5:58] <clever> some systems use it for security, run the email or ftp inside a chroot
[5:58] <clever> if it gets infected with a virus, it cant access files for other stuff
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[5:59] <shiftplusone> a hardened install with selinux and all that fancy stuff is probably the safer approach.
[6:01] <kylethebaker> could i put my raspbian sd card into my card reader, mount it, then chroot into that mount and do things on it as if i were on my rpi? i mean, if i chrooted and created files or did a chgrp for example, it would be using groups and users from the raspbian install right? and also, even though im running arch on my laptop, could i do something like apt-get install on the chroot since its debian?
[6:02] <shiftplusone> kylethebaker, yes, but keep in mind the binaries inside the chroot are a different arch (ARM)
[6:02] <clever> kylethebaker: yes and no, the programs are compiled for an arm cpu, so that wont normaly work under an x86 computer
[6:02] <clever> kylethebaker: thats what i made this for: https://github.com/cleverca22/crosspiroot
[6:02] <kylethebaker> ah, i see
[6:02] <shiftplusone> so you would use qemu-user and binfmt to automatically run arm binaries in qemu seemlessly.
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[6:12] <Kubius> wow
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[6:12] <Kubius> lots of quits and lots of joins
[6:12] <hakr> mmmmm
[6:12] <Kubius> but no chat
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[6:12] <shiftplusone> I'll have you know there was a lively discussion right before you joined.
[6:13] <Phosie> Same happened in #ardiono
[6:13] <shiftplusone> so ahm.... make of that what you will.
[6:13] <Phosie> erm #arduino
[6:13] <Kubius> heh
[6:13] <Kubius> I am just starting in on python programming
[6:14] <Kubius> I made a fibonacci sequence counter that uses two LEDs beeping out each number in the sequence up to 89
[6:14] <Kubius> one LED is for tens, one LED is for ones
[6:14] <Phosie> why not 99?
[6:15] <Kubius> 99 isn't a fibonacci number silly
[6:15] <Kubius> I have it go all the way to 100 but 89 is the last number it beeps out
[6:15] <shiftplusone> why not 100 then?
[6:15] <shiftplusone> (this will go on for a while)
[6:15] <Kubius> it actually goes fairly quick
[6:15] <shiftplusone> 101?
[6:15] <clever> pi@pi ~/oldhome $ ssh ramboot 'cat home.tar | bzip2 -9'|bunzip2|tar -xv
[6:15] <clever> shiftplusone: finaly restoring my old home dir from the other pi image
[6:16] <Phosie> Now I'm lost. thanks clever
[6:16] <Kubius> cat home?
[6:16] <clever> home.tar
[6:16] <clever> a file i made a week ago
[6:16] <shiftplusone> heh
[6:17] <Kubius> still looks like you
[6:17] <Kubius> are ramming a boot up a cat home
[6:17] <Phosie> poor kitty.
[6:17] <Kubius> then zipping up a bun
[6:17] <clever> ramboot is the hostname of the laptop
[6:17] <clever> which used to boot via ram
[6:17] <clever> 'ssh ramboot' will connect to it and run 'cat home.tar | bzip2 -9'
[6:17] <clever> which pipes the file into bzip2 to compress it
[6:18] <clever> then back on the pi, that gets piped into bunzip2 to uncompress it
[6:18] <Phosie> I name my computers after candy
[6:18] <shiftplusone> clever, (people know what's going on)
[6:20] <Phosie> and the channel goes silent again...
[6:20] <Kubius> yep
[6:20] <Kubius> that's the nature of things
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[6:20] <shiftplusone> Well, he's gone now, so... resume.
[6:20] <bcgrown> hello people. anyone managed to make flow control (either software or hardware) work on the uart? with pyserial it seems to just ignore XOFF
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[6:21] <clever> shiftplusone: oh, and i need to restore the cpu freq and temp stuff
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[6:21] <clever> its not working anymore
[6:23] <clever> exec cpufreq /usr/bin/sudo /bin/getfreq
[6:23] <clever> exec cputemp /bin/gettemp
[6:23] <clever> oh, and the programs too
[6:23] <Phosie> I think it's time for a coffee...
[6:24] <Phosie> brb
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[6:30] <Phosie> back
[6:30] <clever> wb
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[6:30] <clever> "2013-11-09 01:30:24 bedroom temp: 22.25c(72.05f), kitchen: 22.44c(72.39f), living room: 22.75c(72.95f), outdoor: 0.88c(33.58f) VCC: over 4.5 volts portb: 00000000"
[6:30] <clever> hmm, must be the basement zone i heard turn on
[6:31] <Phosie> thank you :)
[6:31] <clever> yeah, its gotten low
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[6:33] <Phosie> I'll probably buy a temp sensor next payday
[6:33] <Phosie> and an RGB LED.
[6:33] <clever> ive got them in every room in the house, and graphing them on cacti
[6:33] <clever> Phosie: http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/temps_59.html
[6:34] <shiftplusone> O_o http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=60415&p=450714#p450714
[6:35] <Phosie> want
[6:35] <clever> shiftplusone: (facepalm)
[6:36] <shiftplusone> Not sure where to begin answering that.
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[6:44] <shiftplusone> Hm, anyone want a steam key for the bard's tale?
[6:44] <Phosie> never heard of it
[6:45] <shiftplusone> me neither, but I seem to already have a copy somehow
[6:45] <Phosie> I don't have a working pc so I'll let somebody else claim it.
[6:46] <shiftplusone> Doesn't seem like anyone wants it anyway.
[6:46] <Phosie> I wont say no to a free game, but I'd feel bad about taking it and not being able to use it yet.
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[7:00] <Phosie> hmm 15 mins then sleep
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[7:27] <woodjrx> anyone here have any advice / help on getting conky to not disappear behind desktop on lxde?
[7:27] <shiftplusone> what do you mean exactly?
[7:27] <woodjrx> Conky runs fine on lxde
[7:27] <shiftplusone> right
[7:27] <shiftplusone> ...but?
[7:27] <woodjrx> but when i click on the desktop (anywhere, any click) conky is still running, but it is below the desktop (hidden)
[7:28] <woodjrx> behind, not below (sorry)
[7:28] <shiftplusone> so it will actually go behind the wallpaper? O_o
[7:28] <woodjrx> i've been searching online, but nothing seems to be working
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[7:28] <shiftplusone> or are you trying to get it to be on top of everything?
[7:28] <woodjrx> It seems that way (something to do with it not playing well with openbox)
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[7:29] <shiftplusone> I used conky just fine with openbox.
[7:29] <woodjrx> Just on top of wallpaper, below everything else
[7:29] <woodjrx> hmm
[7:29] <woodjrx> interesting
[7:29] <shiftplusone> not with lxde though
[7:30] <woodjrx> Doesn't lxde use openbox? (i have no idea, just from what i've read)
[7:30] <shiftplusone> can you pastebin your .conkyrc.
[7:30] <woodjrx> sure
[7:30] <shiftplusone> Yes, lxde uses openbox, but I didn't use lxde (just openbox and tint2)
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[7:32] <woodjrx> pastebin.com/y7K0hRZb
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[7:32] <woodjrx> It was just one I got off a pi setup
[7:33] <woodjrx> i've tried a bunch of different own_window_type too
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[7:34] <shiftplusone> comment out own_window_type desktop
[7:35] <shiftplusone> or use own_window_type normal
[7:35] <shiftplusone> any difference?
[7:36] <woodjrx> 1s - still slow at this :)
[7:37] <clever> shiftplusone: well, now svn is screwing arround
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[7:37] <woodjrx> neither changed the behavior
[7:37] <clever> i cant svn diff, it tells me to svn upgrade, and i cant do that due to cryptic errors
[7:37] <shiftplusone> people still use svn?
[7:37] <clever> mplayer is using svn
[7:38] <shiftplusone> ah
[7:38] <clever> so ive had to chroot into my backup of the pi, which still has the old svn
[7:38] <clever> and then svn diff from that
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[7:41] <woodjrx> i'm still very new at this, but what is the difference between getting LXDE and getting a window manager and file manager seperately?
[7:42] <shiftplusone> lxde is a fair bit more than a file manager and a window manager
[7:42] <woodjrx> Ah
[7:43] <shiftplusone> It's partially a suite of software and some of their own software to tie things together
[7:43] <shiftplusone> Look under 'components' http://lxde.org/lxde
[7:43] <woodjrx> Ah, ok. I was thinking it was more like a meta-package, based on some of the people's comments i've come across looking to get conky working
[7:43] <woodjrx> will do
[7:44] <clever> shiftplusone: ok,maybe i didnt modify that mplayer checkout
[7:44] * clever scratches head
[7:44] <shiftplusone> it is a meta-package though
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[7:44] <woodjrx> haha, i'm definitely lost.
[7:45] <shiftplusone> woodjrx, a meta-package can be a package with a whole lot of things that depend on it... so installing lxde will drag in all of the components, which are packages separately.
[7:45] <shiftplusone> *packaged
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[7:46] <woodjrx> ok - so it's a meta-package since it pulls all of the dependencies... but they have code / bits of it they put together, to make it all work together (which is part of that meta-package)
[7:46] <shiftplusone> nope. Take a look at http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXAppearance
[7:47] <shiftplusone> that's a thing that they have coded
[7:47] <shiftplusone> which can be used without lxde
[7:47] <shiftplusone> but it is a part of lxde that helps tie things together.
[7:47] <shiftplusone> it's not a part of the meta-package, it's one of the packages that gets installed
[7:48] <shiftplusone> I am not good at explaining.
[7:48] <woodjrx> and i'm totally new to linux more than ubuntu's wubi installer
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[7:49] <shiftplusone> Just think of lxde as a suite of software, a windows manager, a panel and some other stuff. Some of it predated lxde (like the file manager), some of it was made specifically for the project.
[7:49] <clever> shiftplusone: ok, so where did i leave the half-finished mplayer capable of using the gpu.....
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[7:49] <woodjrx> ok
[7:50] <shiftplusone> clever, figured out the openmax voodoo then?
[7:50] <clever> shiftplusone: not yet, i was working on the mplayer voodoo to add another decoder
[7:50] <clever> except, i lost it, lol
[7:50] <shiftplusone> nice
[7:50] <clever> i dont think its ~/builds/mplayer from the old pi image
[7:52] <shiftplusone> woodjrx, since lxde includes a lot of things I don't need/want, I tend to pick and choose my own packages. I usually end up with openbox, pcmanfm, tint2, conky, geany and something to generate and a pipe a menu to openbox. It's often more trouble than it's worth though.
[7:53] <clever> 04 23:42:06< clever> hmmm, ive defined a driver in video_out_drivers[], but its not appearing in -vo help after a recompile
[7:53] <clever> ok, so thats what i was editing
[7:54] <woodjrx> is that why projects like LXDE come about, then? (philisophical question)
[7:54] <shiftplusone> woodjrx, yup
[7:56] <clever> /media/mainlv/mplayer/libvo/vo_rpi.c
[7:56] <clever> shiftplusone: aha!
[7:56] <shiftplusone> lxde, xfce, gnome, kde and whatever else there is seem to me to be attempt to unify things to an extent and provide a consistent user experience like you get on windows.
[7:57] <shiftplusone> *attempts
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[8:03] <clever> "2013-11-09 03:02:22 bedroom temp: 22.94c(73.29f), kitchen: 22.62c(72.72f), living room: 22.75c(72.95f), outdoor: -0.06c(31.89f) VCC: over 4.5 volts portb: 00000000"
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[8:03] <clever> shiftplusone: and for 30 seconds, it was freezing!
[8:03] <clever> then it went back to exactly 0
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[8:42] <azizLIGHTS> where do i pickup a cheap usb keyboard. i thought i had one for the pi i ordered, but apparently its ps/2
[8:42] <shiftplusone> ebay
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[8:43] <azizLIGHTS> are there things like ps/2 to usb?
[8:43] <shiftplusone> yes
[8:43] <azizLIGHTS> will that work with pi?
[8:44] <shiftplusone> should
[8:44] <azizLIGHTS> ok cool
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[8:51] <clever> ps2 keyboards may use more power
[8:52] <clever> and there is the difference between a pin adapter and an actual protocol adapter
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[9:10] <torkelatgenet> Hello, ive been trying to get networking to my Pi over a serial connection, right now i can use 'screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200' to get a console, but when i try to follow this(http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection#Network_connection_with_the_point-to-point_protocol_.28ppp.29) guide i get stuck at run sudo pppd. I get an error message saying " [root@archpi ~]# pppd
[9:10] <torkelatgenet> pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself
[9:10] <torkelatgenet> pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so.
[9:10] <torkelatgenet> Anybody want to help me out?
[9:12] <clever> torkelatgenet: run 'man pppd' and then search for noauth
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[9:40] <k_sze> Anybody using Raspbian Server Edition?
[9:40] <k_sze> This one: http://sirlagz.net/tag/raspbian-server-edition/
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[9:41] <shiftplusone> is it relevant to the questions you're actually going to ask?
[9:41] <shiftplusone> (usually when someone asks a question like that, it isn't)
[9:41] <k_sze> Just wondering if it works well.
[9:42] <shiftplusone> are you just looking for a minimal install or is there something more specific you're after?
[9:42] <k_sze> especially the script the guy provides to purge and reinstall only the server-related packages.
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[9:43] <k_sze> shiftplusone: almost a minimal install. I want it to serve as a file server.
[9:43] <shiftplusone> I am sure it works, but it's not the smart way to go about it.
[9:43] <shiftplusone> I would use this https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/README.md
[9:43] <k_sze> A different distro is better suited?
[9:43] <shiftplusone> and install whatever extras you need
[9:43] <k_sze> let me check that out.
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[9:47] <k_sze> interesting
[9:47] <shiftplusone> It just seems cleaner to start with a minimal install and install what you need rather than use a bloated image with the bloat purged out.
[9:48] <k_sze> true that
[9:48] <k_sze> it's not like my current raspbian installation has anything important in it yet.
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[10:04] <shiftplusone> good luck
[10:04] <shiftplusone> if you run into trouble, the dev of that installer is usually lurking in the shadows ready to jump out if you have questions.
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[10:10] <ElTimo> I know this isn't strictly related to the Pi, but I can't seem to get my ports to forward correctly.
[10:10] <ElTimo> I'm trying to run a jabber server.
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[10:12] <clever> ElTimo: are you using 2 routers?
[10:12] <ElTimo> clever, Yes, but I'm connected to the one that connects directly to the internet.
[10:13] <clever> how are you checking to see if it worked?
[10:13] <ElTimo> I'm trying the fqdn rather than the local IP.
[10:14] <clever> some routers are unable to connect to their own public up
[10:14] <clever> IP
[10:14] <ElTimo> Huh.
[10:14] <clever> mine sucks like that
[10:14] <clever> if i try to open http://publicip.com i get the router config
[10:14] <clever> what is your public ip and the port your trying to forward?
[10:16] <ElTimo> 69.253.248.239, and 5222.
[10:17] <clever> i have no trouble connecting to it
[10:18] <k_sze> Am I supposed to extract the files to the root of the SD card? I forget.
[10:18] <ElTimo> clever, Dammit.
[10:18] <ElTimo> Thanks for checking.
[10:18] <ElTimo> Looks like I need to call and bitch to comcast.
[10:19] <clever> its a problem with the firmware in your router
[10:19] <clever> thats the reason i replaced mine with a linux tower many moons ago
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[10:19] <ElTimo> The problem is that my router is built into my mode.
[10:19] <ElTimo> *Modem
[10:19] <clever> but the new internet service has more bandwidth then that poor 200mhz can handle
[10:19] <clever> they tried that crap on me too
[10:19] <x29a> k_sze: of the raspbian image? more like dd it to the sdcard
[10:19] <clever> ElTimo: the combo box still responded to pppoe, so i was able to bypass it
[10:19] <clever> just treat it like a modem and ignore the router config
[10:20] <k_sze> x29a: no, the raspbian-ua-netinst that shiftplusone just told me about.
[10:20] <ElTimo> clever, I don't know how to do that.
[10:20] <ElTimo> And I'd like to. That's exactly what I want to do.
[10:20] <x29a> k_sze: ah sry, out of context
[10:20] <clever> does the modem thing have wifi?
[10:20] <ElTimo> Yeah.
[10:20] <shiftplusone> k_sze, the files go on the fat32 partition of the disk. Make sure you follow the readme closely.
[10:20] <clever> that makes things worse
[10:20] <clever> ElTimo: cable, dsl?
[10:21] <ElTimo> Cable.
[10:21] <clever> ah, cable usualy doesnt use pppoe, so that wont work
[10:21] <clever> just complain and tell them to give you a bare modem with no router
[10:21] <clever> or to fix thier crap
[10:22] <k_sze> shiftplusone: the ip_nameservers option should be comma separated, right?
[10:23] <shiftplusone> not using dhcp?
[10:23] <shiftplusone> ah nvrm.
[10:23] <shiftplusone> I assume they would be, yes.
[10:23] <ElTimo> clever, I was afraid that was the case.
[10:23] <k_sze> Well, using DHCP, but I prefer to specify my nameservers.
[10:24] <ElTimo> Ah well. Thanks for confirming it.
[10:24] <ElTimo> I might actually still have the old modem.
[10:24] <k_sze> and the README talks about installer-config.txt
[10:24] <k_sze> but what I see is actually config.txt
[10:25] <shiftplusone> k_sze, different files.
[10:25] <shiftplusone> don't put those settings in config.txt
[10:26] <clever> ElTimo: you might be able to reconfigure the 2nd router to cheat and make it work right, if your running linux
[10:26] <shiftplusone> I am guessing installer-config.txt is optional and does not exist by default.
[10:26] <clever> but thats likely to cause more issues
[10:26] <ElTimo> clever, What if I just ignore the second router?
[10:26] <clever> ElTimo: all traffic for the public ip will default out the gateway, eventualy hitting the primary router
[10:27] <clever> ElTimo: where it will then eat the traffic and try to serve it directly from the router
[10:27] <ElTimo> See, I actually have two different ESSID's.
[10:27] <ElTimo> One for the modem, one for the router.
[10:27] <clever> i also had that problem initialy
[10:27] <clever> however, the wifi from the modem could not connect to ANYTHING
[10:28] <clever> only the internet, nothing local
[10:28] <clever> i looked it up on their website 'you cant turn this feature off because it doesnt exist'
[10:28] <ElTimo> Oh great.
[10:28] <clever> so i disbaled that crap entirely
[10:28] <clever> and stuck to the old wifi AP
[10:28] <k_sze> ugh, can't find keyring debian-archive-keyring.gpg
[10:28] <k_sze> lol
[10:29] <ElTimo> Think it would work if I just had the modem forward everything to the router?
[10:29] <ElTimo> And I can ping it just fine.
[10:29] <clever> ElTimo: that will only work for traffic from the outside
[10:29] <ElTimo> Damn.
[10:30] <clever> you have to know how routing works to understand where the issue lies
[10:30] <clever> c2d rob1 # ip route
[10:30] <clever> default via 192.168.2.1 dev eth0 metric 2
[10:30] <ElTimo> And 4:30 in the morning is not the time to learn it.
[10:30] <clever> this says that any traffic not in the other rules (all stuff for the internet) gets sent to 192.168.2.1
[10:31] <clever> which in your case, is the 2nd router
[10:31] <clever> it then has a similar rule, forwarding all web traffic to the primary router
[10:31] <clever> at which point, it goes 'hey thats my ip, let me answer that!'
[10:31] <clever> 'hmmm, no jabber server in the router, go away!'
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[10:32] <clever> ElTimo: also, its only an issue for stuff inside the lan
[10:32] <clever> it works perfectly fine for any outside user
[10:33] <clever> just use the private ip in the house and you wont notice it
[10:33] <ElTimo> Can I do that for XMPP?
[10:34] <clever> the protocol shouldnt matter
[10:34] <clever> just use the private ip of the server, ignore the public one
[10:34] <ElTimo> I did, but it says host unknown.
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[10:34] <clever> that means you didnt give an ip
[10:34] <clever> what is the private ip of the pi?
[10:35] <ElTimo> 10.0.0.4
[10:35] <ElTimo> Weird, I know.
[10:35] <ElTimo> But I got it.
[10:35] <clever> perfectly normal, thats what i ran on my house for a year
[10:35] <ElTimo> I was putting the ip in the wrong box.
[10:35] <clever> but the new router refuses to allow it
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[10:37] <clever> i was using 10.0.0.0/25 for my lan
[10:37] <clever> but the new router is stuck on 192.168.2.0/24
[10:37] <clever> ive spent a month fixing the crap that broke
[10:39] <ElTimo> If there were to be a setting for this, what would it be called?
[10:40] <clever> its not something that any sane person would ever turn off
[10:40] <clever> it it was an option, it would be on always
[10:41] <clever> it has to do with how iptables is used to forward ports
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[10:41] <clever> anything targeting the external ip on a forwarded port, gets the dest address and source address rewriten
[10:42] <clever> which requires 2 or 3 times as many rules in the router
[10:42] <ElTimo> Ah.
[10:42] <ElTimo> Well that's annoying.
[10:42] <clever> with the right software, thats completely transparent
[10:42] <ElTimo> I'll deal with it in the morning.
[10:42] <clever> but you need to know about it and actively add support for it
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[13:06] <shiftplusone> Hm, what's a good way to add a script that executes one time on the next boot? I am thinking something in rc.local that removes itself when it's done, or an rc.d script, but hope there might be a better way.
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[13:08] <clever> shiftplusone: the thing to resize the root fs is an init.d script that deletes itself
[13:08] <clever> but the gentoo way is better, /etc/local.d/foo.start and foo.stop
[13:08] <shiftplusone> that's the approach I am leaning towards as well.
[13:09] <clever> the gentoo method lets you use the rc.local style, without conflicting with others that also use it
[13:09] <clever> simpler to write scripts for it
[13:09] <clever> and nothing says you cant just source /etc/local.d/*.start in rc.local
[13:09] <clever> to add that style to your system
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[13:09] <shiftplusone> if I used rc.local, it would execute the script, the script itself would not be within rc.local.
[13:10] <shiftplusone> if that's what you mean
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[13:10] <clever> let me pastebin what gentoo is using
[13:10] <clever> shiftplusone: http://privatepaste.com/9bdc64cedc
[13:10] <clever> it checks every .start file to see if its executable, and runs it if it is
[13:10] <shiftplusone> makes sense
[13:11] <clever> could easily put that same start function code in your main rc.local, then use the gentoo style only
[13:11] <clever> also, you dont have to delete your script, just -x it
[13:13] <shiftplusone> I've adapted hifi's netinstall to work with qemu, now I just want to add a script to automate the post-install commands. So I'd rather stick to a more standard debianish approach.
[13:13] <clever> ahh
[13:13] <clever> id just reuse the init.d trick then
[13:13] <shiftplusone> seems like the way to go, yeah.
[13:13] <shiftplusone> thanks
[13:14] <clever> oh
[13:14] <clever> also, why does it have to be ran post-install?
[13:14] <clever> chroot!
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[13:15] <shiftplusone> hm
[13:16] <clever> you can get arround all the fuss of installing qemu by just bundling the static into your package, so the only requirement is that binfmt misc be in the kernel
[13:17] <martk100> I am building an RPI powered robot using boeerb motors and board. How do I enter data (motor speed data) into a python script from a tkinter gui on the fly
[13:18] <shiftplusone> I think that for beginners, it's easier to install and use qemu-system and since this package would also need to be usable by windows users, chroot is not really an option. Though it may be a better approach than a post-install script.
[13:18] <clever> shiftplusone: yeah, thats what i was thinking
[13:18] <clever> and you cant install the files for the post-install thing from windows, it would have to be bundled into the img by you
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[13:19] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's easy though, I would only need to provide an initrd image which contains hifi's installer with a few modifications.
[13:20] <clever> and in that case, its running on the pi, so you can just script the chroot and post-install changes
[13:20] <clever> no need for an init.d script
[13:20] <shiftplusone> it would be running in qemu, but yes, you're absolutely right.
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[14:22] <k_sze> Raspbian should be able to read external GPT disks, right?
[14:22] <k_sze> s/read/use/
[14:22] <Matt> yup
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[14:24] <shiftplusone> Well, if it isn't Matt. (Hey)
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[14:26] <Matt> morning
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[14:36] <k_sze> so... how do I format an external GPT disk to ext3 or ext4? parted doesn't support ext3/4, right?
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[14:40] <k_sze> That's what I understand from reading the man page anyway. It hints at it mentions ext2, fat32, fat16, etc, but not ext4, and then goes on to say that ext3 support is broken (!!!)
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[14:45] <k_sze> Or I should use mke2fs, right?
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[15:09] <clever> k_sze: i always use mkfs.something
[15:09] <k_sze> ah
[15:09] <clever> and ive only had to use something other then fdisk once
[15:09] <clever> when i did my 4tb drive
[15:10] <clever> too big for fdisk!
[15:10] <k_sze> Is it possible to make raspbian mount a filesystem such that it is owned by a particular user by default?
[15:10] <clever> thats only for file systems that dont support users
[15:10] <clever> mount /dev/foo /mnt/bar -o uid=1000
[15:10] <k_sze> clever: I *actually* want the whole mount point to be owned by a certain user.
[15:11] <clever> if it supports users, then just chown it after its mounted
[15:11] <k_sze> not before?
[15:11] <clever> after, your changing the root folder on the file system
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[15:11] <k_sze> I can't go: `mkdir -p /mnt/foo_personal_disk; chown foo:foo /mnt/foo`?
[15:12] <k_sze> and then have the partition listed in fstab
[15:12] <clever> it needs to be mounted before you chown it
[15:12] <k_sze> :/
[15:12] <clever> there are 2 different /mnt/foo's, there is the /mnt/foo/ on the root filesystem, which is an empty dir
[15:12] <clever> and there is the root folder of the fs, which your putting at /mnt/foo/
[15:12] <k_sze> right
[15:12] <k_sze> so
[15:13] <k_sze> you mean once I have mounted the partition to /mnt/foo
[15:13] <clever> then you chown it
[15:13] <k_sze> I chown it once
[15:13] <clever> yeah
[15:13] <clever> and it will save that in the filesystem
[15:13] <clever> if the FS supports it
[15:13] <k_sze> and then the future times I mount, it will still be owned by foo.
[15:13] <clever> yeo
[15:13] <clever> yep*
[15:13] <k_sze> ah
[15:13] <k_sze> well, ext4
[15:13] <k_sze> definitely supports it.
[15:13] <clever> yeah, should be perfect then
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[15:14] <k_sze> thansk
[15:14] <YellowGT0> LoL I have to drive so far for this damn camera
[15:14] <YellowGT0> I wish bestbuy stocked it :D
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[15:19] <ThiefMaster> yay, with dwc_otg.fiq_split_enable=0 i get some audio on my headset... too bad it's horribly distorted
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[15:43] <k_sze> I keep forgetting which key is the one I should "carry" with me.
[15:43] <k_sze> the private one, right?
[15:43] <clever> yeah
[15:43] <clever> but i dont move it, i keep one private key at each location
[15:44] <clever> every computer has its own private key, which never moves, and its public half is in every other computer
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[15:55] <Kane> matin
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[16:00] <yang> What kind of light should Model B produce at boot ? Mine lights red and occasionally blinking green ...
[16:00] <k_sze> oh, right
[16:00] <k_sze> that's another way of doing it.
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[16:02] <fuzzer37> Mine does the same thing with the light colours. If i have a network cable plugged in, the other lights come on too
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[16:05] <clever> red is the power light
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[16:06] <clever> the blinking green one is the SD card activity
[16:06] <clever> the other 3 are ethernet status
[16:06] <yang> oh so red turned on doesnt mean its broken ?
[16:07] <clever> red should stay on if power is connected
[16:07] <yang> ah ok
[16:07] <clever> even after shutdown is done, the red stays on
[16:07] <clever> until you unplug it
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[16:07] <yang> then i wonder whats really wrong with it, I cannot ping it, I need to hook it up with the monitor
[16:08] <clever> what address are you trying to ping?
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[16:08] <yang> oh just the one defined in network interfaces
[16:09] <clever> ah, static ip?
[16:09] <yang> it should be visible but it aint, it gets stuck at some level which i cant see
[16:09] <yang> yes
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[16:10] <clever> only thing left is either the serial console or the tv out
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[16:16] <yang> where do i plug serial console ?
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[16:22] <clever> yang: do you have a 3.3v serial adapter?
[16:23] <yang> no
[16:23] <herdingcat> I have installed libpipeline in my toolchain sysroot
[16:23] <clever> then you cant safety connect to the serial port
[16:23] <herdingcat> and I wanna compile man-db: libpipeline_LIBS=/home/huli/Projects/arm/arm-rpi-linux-gnueabi/arm-rpi-linux-gnueabi/sysroot/lib ./configure --host=arm-rpi-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/home/huli/Projects/ARM-sysroot/usr --exec-prefix=/home/huli/Projects/ARM-sysroot --with-sysroot=/home/huli/Projects/arm/arm-rpi-linux-gnueabi/arm-rpi-linux-gnueabi/sysroot
[16:23] <herdingcat> It still prompts: configure: error: Package requirements (libpipeline >= 1.1.0) were not met
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[16:23] <yang> http://elinux.org/File:Adafruit-connection.jpg i dont have this
[16:24] <yang> ok, i ll test on monitor then
[16:24] <yang> thanks for help
[16:24] <clever> yang: yeah, thats one way to do it
[16:24] <clever> yang: i use https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873 and a few short wires
[16:25] <steve_rox> is there really any advantage of a usb debug cable? if thats what your talking about?
[16:25] <clever> steve_rox: it lets you get a shell without the network, and without a keyboard/tv
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[16:26] <steve_rox> so its like a ssh session without lan
[16:26] <clever> yeah
[16:26] <steve_rox> i guess i dont really have a use for that at moment
[16:26] <clever> i use it when i dont want to bother with a second keyboard and a tv
[16:26] <steve_rox> thanks for elaborateing :-)
[16:27] <clever> its also good for playing with on the road, dont need a switch or keyboard
[16:27] <clever> just plug it into every usb port on the laptop
[16:27] <steve_rox> i need to think of a new rpi project idea
[16:28] <clever> i
[16:28] <clever> i'm currently working on getting mplayer to use the gpu properly
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: A reverse engineered DSI interface kernel module.
[16:28] <steve_rox> do have a pir motion detector maybe i could hook into digital cam as a shutter release on move
[16:28] <clever> SpeedEvil: that would be usefull, but ive heard that the DSI connector is purely wired to the GPU
[16:29] <clever> so you would need to reverse engineer the gpu core
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> It is. Yes.
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: 'motion' is an alternative
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: Or similar - which uses processing the video stream. May be too heavyweight though
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[16:29] <clever> SpeedEvil: but the pi doesnt have v4l drivers yet
[16:30] <clever> so i dont think motion will work without a lot of fussing arround
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> Hmm, I forgot that. True.
[16:30] <clever> the camera only works thru the custom programs
[16:30] <steve_rox> i do have a relay board to cross connect the remote but im sure theres a simpler way
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> Sigh.
[16:30] <clever> ive been wanting to fix that, but i dont have a camera yet
[16:30] <[SLB]> motion and mjpeg-streamer work fine for me
[16:30] <clever> [SLB]: ok, so you want to encode it to mpeg, then decode it back to raw images?
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> [SLB]: with USB camera?
[16:30] <clever> [SLB]: how much cpu power do you have to spare?
[16:30] <[SLB]> with usb webcam
[16:31] <[SLB]> clever, i don't know what you're talking about, i just said that motion and mjpeg-streamer for me work fine
[16:31] <clever> usb cameras are different
[16:32] <steve_rox> all i said was use a pir motion detector to trigger cam
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[16:32] <clever> the motion program is able to do the same thing with just a v4l source
[16:32] <steve_rox> to monitor motion on a cam would cost more power/cpu
[16:33] <clever> yeah
[16:33] <steve_rox> so my idea takes a bit less
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[16:35] <clever> SpeedEvil: how much do you know about the gpu decoding?
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> None, other than it does it
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[16:38] <clever> Could not find matching colorspace - retrying with -vf scale...
[16:38] <clever> Note: before start on this, read colorspaces.txt !
[16:38] <clever> doh
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[16:38] <clever> maybe i should read that, lol
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[16:41] <steve_rox> anyone else use their rpi for this chat room? :-P
[16:41] <clever> i reboot mine too much to use it for irc
[16:42] <steve_rox> ah
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[16:42] <steve_rox> got mine hosting mumble voice chat
[16:42] <steve_rox> so i dont reboot it often
[16:43] <clever> i used to host that out of my laptop
[16:43] <clever> then i took it for a trip one day, and tried to have somebody join it :P
[16:43] <clever> oops!
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[16:43] <steve_rox> oops?
[16:44] <clever> it was inside a hotel where i couldnt fix the port forward rules
[16:44] <clever> nobody could connect!
[16:44] <steve_rox> ah
[16:44] <steve_rox> thats bad
[16:44] <clever> ive since moved it to a server i rent online for other reasons
[16:44] <clever> it uses so little cpu, it doesnt have any impact
[16:44] <steve_rox> mumlw
[16:45] <steve_rox> mumble runs great
[16:45] <clever> yeah
[16:45] <clever> i dont understand why people still use vent
[16:45] <clever> guess its just a case of cant teach an old dog new tricks
[16:45] <steve_rox> maybe
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[16:47] <steve_rox> wonder what other sevi
[16:47] <steve_rox> services to run
[16:47] <steve_rox> damn im sleepy
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[16:50] <clever> shiftplusone: hmmm, its claiming my custom format isnt hw accelerated
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[16:53] <[SLB]> i have the bnc running on my pi for irc, if that answers your question, steve_rox eheh
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[16:56] <mac-> hey
[16:56] <mac-> anyone use Wayland/Weston ?
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[17:24] <biberao> is there a way to tell ipython running on raspi to output to the composite connection when run through ssh from another pc like in the fashion of omxplayer?
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[18:35] <gcds> Hello, I have problem compiling kernel module with dkms :/ It throws that exec format error :(
[18:35] <gcds> Or maybe someone could help me to compile one kernel module on latest raspbian img?
[18:36] <clever> which module are you trying to compile?
[18:36] <gcds> eveusb
[18:36] <gcds> you will not know it :D
[18:36] <clever> do you mind redoing the entire kernel?, that makes things simpler
[18:37] <gcds> clever: that you mean?
[18:37] <clever> if your just recompiling the entire kernel and all modules, its simple
[18:37] <gcds> you mean download kernel and compile it from scratch ?
[18:38] <clever> yeah
[18:40] <gcds> ok will try
[18:40] <[SLB]> can the raspicam save raw images?
[18:40] <gcds> I am currently at the Startupweekend and simple module shits everything D
[18:40] <clever> its fairly simple, step 1: git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git
[18:41] <[SLB]> i think only bmp, png and jpg images?
[18:41] <clever> gcds: step 2, cd into that directory and cat /proc/config.gz | gunzip > .config
[18:41] <clever> gcds: step 3, make menuconfig and do the changes you need
[18:41] <gcds> changes you need ?
[18:42] <clever> the module you want to turn on
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[18:42] <gcds> what if that module is out of shelf ?
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[18:43] <clever> simplest way, just make no changes in step 3, just compile and install the kernel normaly
[18:43] <clever> then build the out of tree module the same way you would on any other system
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[18:45] <gcds> clever: Hmm how should I upload that new image?
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[18:45] <gcds> sorry kernel
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[18:45] <clever> the kernel needs to be in kernel.img on the fat32 partition
[18:45] <clever> brb
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[18:46] <gcds> ok
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[18:48] <gcds> clever: Ok i will replace kernel.img and that after, do i need to copy new modules?
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[18:48] <clever> for the modules, just 'make modules_install'
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[19:08] <gcds> Maybe someone has vm for compiling kernel?
[19:08] <gcds> would make a lot easier :D
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[19:15] <Jusii> if something is easy to crosscompile, that's kernel
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[19:20] <Bozza> gcds: let us know how your compiling goes
[19:20] <Bozza> i am also going to compile a kernel this weekend
[19:20] <Bozza> making a boot loader
[19:21] <gcds> Bozza: Ok, maybe it will work out :( Slept only 2 hours this night going for another sleepless night today :( I feeling like ... And if that module will not compile I am going to shoot myself...
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[19:21] <Bozza> haha i know exactly what you mean
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[19:22] <Bozza> gcds: best of luck! hopefully it works ... if not have a good sleep and come back to it later
[19:22] <gcds> It's only 18 hours left until deadline
[19:23] <Bozza> is it some sort of assignment ?
[19:23] <Phase> For the power supply to be good, the output needs to be 5v, right?
[19:23] <Phase> does input matter?
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[19:24] <Bozza> why do you mean by input?
[19:24] <Bozza> 5v should be enough .. check up on how many amps your power supply has
[19:24] <YellowGT0> Wow
[19:24] <YellowGT0> Pi camera is so tiny
[19:25] <YellowGT0> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ymxbm7acgbkvfxr/20131109_115601.jpg
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[19:25] <Phase> Bozza: 1A
[19:25] <Bozza> should be ok !
[19:25] <Bozza> YellowGT0: nice!
[19:25] <Phase> woo
[19:26] <Phase> the thing has a input of 100-240v
[19:26] <gcds> Bozza: StartupWeekend
[19:26] <Bozza> is this for the engaget competition?
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[19:26] <Bozza> engadget*
[19:27] <Bozza> I didn't realise it was this weekend.. would have loved to participate .. can anyone participate?
[19:27] <Bozza> gcds: just get a good tutorial on "cross compiling a kernel"
[19:27] <gcds> Bozza: Yes, you have to have a good idea
[19:27] <gcds> only ;)
[19:28] <Bozza> but it should be relatively simple to cross compile the kernel
[19:28] <Bozza> make , make configure , make install
[19:28] <Bozza> something along those lines
[19:28] <Bozza> there will be a make option that defines the architecture type as arm
[19:29] <Bozza> arm (whatever version the pi is )
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[19:31] <Bozza> gcds: got a link to the competition? are sign ups closed?
[19:31] <gcds> It's in lithuania ;)
[19:31] <Phase> brother ran off with the sd<->usb adapter
[19:31] <Phase> damnit
[19:31] <gcds> :D
[19:31] <Bozza> ahh
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[19:32] <Bozza> Phase: man ,, i couldn't work out why my usb sd adapter wasn't working on my mac for so long! i finally booted into linux and saw it doesn't work either
[19:32] <Phase> lol
[19:32] <Bozza> turns out my ancient sd card reader probably doesn't support class 10
[19:32] <Bozza> XD
[19:32] <Phase> lol
[19:33] <Phase> I either have to wait until tonight or go buy one from walmart or somethin
[19:33] <Phase> hmm
[19:33] <Bozza> a bit annoying as i can't really write to it
[19:33] <Bozza> yea same problem lol .. had to use my bros laptop
[19:33] <Bozza> XD
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[19:33] <Phase> lol
[19:33] <Phase> oh! laptop
[19:33] <Phase> he left his laptop
[19:33] <Phase> brb
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[19:33] <Bozza> thank me later ;)
[19:34] <Phase> glad you said that lol
[19:34] <Phase> gonna call him in a min to see if he'll let me use it
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[19:35] <Bozza> :)
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[19:35] <Phase> ty Bozza :p
[19:35] <Bozza> haha no worries
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[19:46] <gcds> hmm undefined reference to `yy_flex_debug' :(
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[19:52] <gcds> maybe someone has toolchain and could just compile me that module and sent it with kernel img and modules, i will donate for such deed :(
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[19:54] <gcds> my head is not working completly :( I would rather had short sleep if someone could help me than staring at the screen and dont understanding nothing
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[19:55] <gcds> anyone?
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[19:57] <gcds> :(
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[20:03] <gcds> Could someone compile my kernel module and send it with kernel img and modules i will pay for it...
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[21:11] <bosnjak> hi all
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[21:13] <bosnjak> why cant i get my sound to go trought HDMI? I have used "amixer cset numid=3 2" but it doesn't seem to work. My .asoundrc file is here: http://pastebin.com/sKsWBd5m (don't mind the name "usbcard", thats just old name)
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[21:43] <happygilmoregent> does pi support servos?
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[21:43] <happygilmoregent> robotics?
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[21:50] <nerdboy> drive-by questions...
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[22:10] <bosnjak> how do i configure sound to take input from hw:1,0 but use output hw:0,0? This is what i got so far, but its not working: http://pastebin.com/WMiFNTFY
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[22:27] <monode> hello, is it possible to run pygame under python3? anything special I should compile? The stock package from raspbian seems to work only in python2
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[23:02] <Firewalker> hi someone can help me with editing sudoers
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[23:03] <SpeedEvil> There are only two ways to edit sudoers.
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> Carefully, and every which way but loose.
[23:04] <Firewalker> ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/sispmctl is what i ve to edit there
[23:04] <Firewalker> i used visudo 4 it
[23:05] <Firewalker> but it doesnt work
[23:05] <Firewalker> put it in the last row
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[23:06] <Firewalker> after using the command without sudo it says Operation not permitted
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[23:06] <Firewalker> with it works
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