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IRC Log for 2013-11-11

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[0:00] <clever> lol
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[0:00] <XMLnewbi> so im using zbarcam, but the preview is like 1 frame ever 5 seconds, This rpi can run 1080p flawless but cant do a webcam?
[0:00] <clever> XMLnewbi: is the preview capable of using GPU decode?
[0:00] <XMLnewbi> im on a little logitec c210
[0:01] <XMLnewbi> im not sure
[0:01] <XMLnewbi> http://zbar.sourceforge.net/
[0:02] <topi`> pin 9 seems to be SCL0 for i2c
[0:02] <topi`> gotta try that ;)
[0:02] <XMLnewbi> picture runs great on my ubuntu vmware, maybe I should try it on my beaglebone
[0:02] <Cheekio> I have a question, can I hook a raspberry pi to an HDTV? Is the Raspberry Pi capable of outputting HD video?
[0:02] <clever> i have had ideas about using that as a bootloader menu with zero overhead
[0:03] <topi`> Cheekio: at least mine does 1080p quite nicely.
[0:03] <topi`> with omxplayer
[0:03] <clever> topi`: for example, kernel-emergency.img creates the menu, and will rename kernel.img on demand, and if you dont hold the button, it just runs whatever you set as default
[0:03] <Triffid_Hunter> Cheekio: lol that's the whole point of the VPU.. plays 1080p mpeg4 beautifully :)
[0:03] <Cheekio> topi`, is outputting to HDMI difficult?
[0:03] <topi`> clever: right.
[0:03] <XMLnewbi> it can even skip around 1080p faster then my ps3
[0:03] <Triffid_Hunter> Cheekio: hdmi is default
[0:03] <Cheekio> haha
[0:03] <Cheekio> Alright, I'll order one right now then
[0:03] <topi`> Cheekio: no. it is the default, at least if you have Raspbian on your card
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[0:04] <Cheekio> I guess the only thing I need is a hard drive I can somehow attach to it, but I think I have a USB sled and spare sata drive kicking around
[0:04] <Triffid_Hunter> Cheekio: get a 2A or higher charger. the rpi only needs 700mA, but it needs a *rock solid* 700mA, not the kinda-sorta-5v you get at 700mA from typical "1A" chargers
[0:04] <topi`> Cheekio: I'm using an external 2.5" usb drive
[0:04] <XMLnewbi> rpi + external USB 1tb+ drive best media server
[0:04] <Triffid_Hunter> Cheekio: you'll need a powered hub for that, the rpi is not designed to supply usable amounts of power over its USB host ports
[0:05] <XMLnewbi> depends if the 2.5 is powerd
[0:05] <Cheekio> The sled is powered :D
[0:05] <XMLnewbi> if it powerd should be gtg
[0:05] <Cheekio> I'll look into storage solutions
[0:05] <topi`> Triffid_Hunter: I have a 1A power for my Rpi, and indeed plugging another USB device requires an externally powered hub.
[0:05] <Cheekio> The Raspi website seemed like a blog for people who already knew what they were doing, is there a good beginners wiki?
[0:05] <Cheekio> Or beginner's introduction site?
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[0:06] <XMLnewbi> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136749
[0:07] <Slymatt1> Does anyone know how to check if a raspberry to arduino bridge is buggered?
[0:07] <Slymatt1> because is really frustrating me lol
[0:08] <topi`> clever: your INSTALL_PATHs caused an insiduous problem:
[0:08] <topi`> "update-initramfs: Generating /home/topi/rpi/initrd.img-3.10.18+
[0:08] <topi`> WARNING: missing /lib/modules/3.10.18+
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[0:09] <topi`> since it cannot open /lib/modules/x, it refuses to do make install
[0:09] <Cheekio> 3T is a ton of storage
[0:09] <Triffid_Hunter> Cheekio: heh not really
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[0:09] <Triffid_Hunter> Cheekio: I got a 3T drive recently, it's over half full already
[0:09] <Cheekio> does rpi recommend any vendors?
[0:10] <Cheekio> Triffid_Hunter, I'm stuck in the 2000's mentality where tv wasn't HD
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[0:13] <clever> topi`: i set them to a dir i had write access to
[0:13] <clever> so i didnt need root
[0:14] <topi`> clever: this problem is because my build host has no 3.10.18 in /lib/modules
[0:14] <topi`> I guess I'll just try to generate kernel.img and replace the old one with that
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[0:15] <topi`> darn, no space left on device
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[0:29] <AR_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321242238674
[0:29] <AR_> uh
[0:29] <AR_> http://i.imgur.com/jTXNIGf.jpg
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[0:33] <chithead> seems legit
[0:34] <AR_> we will find out if he ships to usa
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[0:39] <Syliss> wow
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[0:40] <AR_> he might not ship to usa
[0:40] <AR_> if you are in the UK and want to see if he ships it to you, ill use your address :P
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[0:52] <azizLIGHTS> is it possible to see what is being shown on the tv screen on my windows pc or android phone?
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[1:03] <ShorTie> what and how is stuff being shown on tv ??
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[1:04] <azizLIGHTS> i have raspbian installed, i told rasp-config to show the desktop on boot
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[1:04] <azizLIGHTS> it is being shown over yellow wire (composite) to the tv
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[1:05] <azizLIGHTS> ShorTie: so im wondering if i can show what is on screen here on the tv, to another computer like a windows pc or android phone
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[1:07] <ShorTie> tightvnc would let you see rPi desktop
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[1:08] <azizLIGHTS> ShorTie: will it show me the same desktop that is on the tv screen?
[1:08] <azizLIGHTS> i want to be able to control what is on the screen basically
[1:08] <Baylink> azizLIGHTS: To do what you want you would need to be running an x0vnc server on the Pi, and that still wouldn't get you anything played to the screen via video overlay.
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[1:09] <Baylink> Note that "control what's on the screen" is a different and much more limited task.
[1:09] <ShorTie> yes, be just like rPi
[1:09] <clever> azizLIGHTS: do you want control+see, or just control?
[1:10] <azizLIGHTS> Baylink: " that still wouldn't get you anything played to the screen via video overlay." what does this mean?
[1:10] <azizLIGHTS> clever: controling and see
[1:10] <clever> azizLIGHTS: videos your playing in omxplayer
[1:11] <clever> x0vnc should do then
[1:11] <Baylink> You can get Xvnc to send you anything painted on the framebuffer by applications. video playback doesn't paint on the framebuffer, so vnc won't send it.
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[1:11] <azizLIGHTS> oh, so everything but videos will work Baylink
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[1:16] <Baylink> Assuming you can shoehorn an Xvnc onto the Pi, yes; I don't believe that's the default.
[1:16] <Baylink> You ever cross-compiled X? :-)
[1:16] <azizLIGHTS> i can see x11vnc not x0vnc in apt-cache search vnc
[1:16] <azizLIGHTS> no fortunately i have not
[1:16] <Baylink> Yeah, that oughtta work.
[1:16] <clever> Baylink: the packages exist for some
[1:16] <clever> Baylink: x0vnc polls the server, so performance is worse
[1:16] <Baylink> I gather.
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[1:16] <clever> there is also a x11 module, which gives much better performance, but i havent found the package
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[1:17] <Baylink> Hmmm. I thought x0vnc was the name of the server which contained an rfbserver, no?
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[1:17] <Baylink> (As distinguished from xvnc, which is headless)
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[1:17] <azizLIGHTS> i assume the other vnc packages like tightvnc open a new X session? x11vnc description is "VNC server to allow remote access to an existing X session"
[1:17] <clever> Baylink: no, x0vncserver acts as an X11 client
[1:17] <clever> Baylink: its basicaly taking screenshots, over and over
[1:17] <Baylink> Ah.
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[1:18] <clever> Baylink: let me get an example of the better option
[1:19] <clever> Baylink: http://privatepaste.com/3917625c6b
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[1:19] <clever> Baylink: this method loads the vnc server directly into the Xorg that runs :0
[1:19] <clever> so it can insert hooks to be informed of painting events
[1:19] <clever> so there is no need to poll stuff, much much less cpu usage
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[1:20] <azizLIGHTS> so you are saying x11vnc is faster?
[1:20] <Baylink> There are X servers that have rfb built in, not as a module; tight and tiger, I think, both do it that way.
[1:20] <clever> but you need to modify the xorg.conf, and get the xorg module compiled for arm, i havent found a package that provides it yet
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[1:20] <clever> Baylink: those just have a normal xorg server with the vnc module linked in at compile time
[1:20] <clever> exact same thing, minus the real gpu drivers
[1:21] <clever> azizLIGHTS: the one loaded into the server is faster, but i havent gotten that to work on the pi yet
[1:21] <yggdrasil> wasup gents
[1:21] * clever waters yggdrasil
[1:22] <azizLIGHTS> "loaded into the server" you mean like how regular debian with gnome has a "remote desktop" feature built in?
[1:22] <clever> azizLIGHTS: dont know how that one worked
[1:22] <yggdrasil> whats the latest in piworld ?
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[1:26] <azizLIGHTS> aha i found a thread with person trying to accomplish the same thing as me
[1:26] <azizLIGHTS> forum thread
[1:26] <clever> link?
[1:26] <azizLIGHTS> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=108862#p108862
[1:26] <azizLIGHTS> access the same session being displayed via HDMI
[1:26] <clever> that post is just making a desktop icon that runs x11vnc
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[1:27] <clever> and putting it in the autostart dir
[1:27] <azizLIGHTS> its also has autostart for lxde
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[1:27] <ShorTie> that user root which don't work real well
[1:27] <azizLIGHTS> isnt this what i want?
[1:27] <clever> azizLIGHTS: close enough
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[1:28] <yggdrasil> your jsut trying to get it t ostart x automatially
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[1:29] <yggdrasil> ou just set the runlevel and then there a place to point to your wm ? or something like that;
[1:30] <yggdrasil> your dm
[1:30] <ShorTie> azizLIGHTS, here is a different script that might work http://privatepaste.com/b285c6298f
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[1:31] <azizLIGHTS> ShorTie: as i understand that, it is running tightvnc to display :0
[1:31] <azizLIGHTS> as init script
[1:32] <azizLIGHTS> ShorTie: is there any advantage to using that over the other method?
[1:32] <ShorTie> no, thats port 0
[1:32] <ShorTie> i know mine work for port 0 with user pi
[1:33] <azizLIGHTS> arent displays designated as :0 , :1 etc
[1:33] <azizLIGHTS> :0 being the one on a physical screen, :1 being some vnc sessions seperate from the local
[1:34] <ShorTie> you talking about like this part ...vncserver :0' ??
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[1:35] <azizLIGHTS> yup
[1:37] <ShorTie> that is the port, like 5900,5901,... that vnc uses
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[1:38] <ShorTie> that 1 in the tread you posted would be x.x.x.x:1 and user root, which you don't see the desktop
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[1:42] <azizLIGHTS> i followed that post, and its working
[1:42] <azizLIGHTS> im moving the mouse in vnc, and its showing as moving on the tv screen
[1:43] <azizLIGHTS> :o
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[1:47] <ShorTie> cool, you must have had better luck then me
[1:48] <azizLIGHTS> this is nice
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[1:49] <azizLIGHTS> not cpu intensive, responsive
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[2:16] <azizLIGHTS> plural of raspberry pi?
[2:16] <ozzzy> raspberries pi
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[2:24] <azizLIGHTS> mmm
[2:24] <LilSnoop4> hello, if i have a raspberry pi and the temp is at around 138-155F without any heatsinks or fan's is that bad? thanks
[2:25] <azizLIGHTS> LilSnoop4: can i ask how you get the temp?
[2:25] <LilSnoop4> well it shows it under openelec systeminfo then hardware tab?
[2:26] <LilSnoop4> is that not correct
[2:28] <azizLIGHTS> LilSnoop4: im a noob. dont mind me. just wondering how you got that info
[2:28] <LilSnoop4> o
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[2:28] <Triffid_Hunter> LilSnoop4: what's that in celsius?
[2:29] <Triffid_Hunter> mine would tick along at ambient+10c at most
[2:29] <ozzzy> mine runs at 49C
[2:30] <LilSnoop4> no it's fahrenheit
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[2:31] <LilSnoop4> 68.333333333334 degrees celsius
[2:32] <LilSnoop4> so does that mean i should turn down the arm_freq?
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[2:35] <Triffid_Hunter> LilSnoop4: 68 seems a bit high but should still work fine
[2:35] <Triffid_Hunter> LilSnoop4: from what I've read, the chip will disable overclock settings at 85 for self preservation
[2:35] <trevorman> LilSnoop4: no. its fine. the SoC is rated for higher than that.
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[2:36] <clever> LilSnoop4: http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/graph_102.html
[2:37] <trevorman> LilSnoop4: http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs and search for "What is the usable temperature range?" AP = Application Processor i.e. the Broadcom SoC
[2:39] <LilSnoop4> ok, i just wanted to make sure i wasn't damaging it.
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[2:45] <shiftplusone> Nefarious___, I'd think the wiki would be the best place for tutorials, if you can be bothered maintaining them.
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[2:46] <shiftplusone> I decided to host my tutorials on my own site so that people who don't edit them based on their misconceptions though (as some of the pages on the wiki have been)
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[3:02] <azizLIGHTS> i want to move filesystem to usb disk following this howto from the forums, but i've already did expand_rootfs. is this a problem?
[3:02] <azizLIGHTS> howto from the forums: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44177
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[3:02] <shiftplusone> nope
[3:03] <shiftplusone> No idea why there is so much text to describe a simple process though
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[3:05] <azizLIGHTS> yeah its intimidating
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[3:07] <phelps> is there an io pin that can go high @ 5v ?
[3:08] <shiftplusone> nope
[3:08] <phelps> I've got a little fan that I'd like to only run when the cpu is @ 1Ghz
[3:08] <[Saint]> phelps: don't bother.
[3:08] <phelps> whys that
[3:08] <[Saint]> You *REALLY* don;t need to, regardless of what you've been told or think you should do.
[3:09] <shiftplusone> Is your pi operating in an oven?
[3:09] <[Saint]> Even if it was, it would shutdown safely and that'd be that. :)
[3:10] <shiftplusone> what temperature does your pi actually get to at 1GHz?
[3:10] <[Saint]> phelps: think of it exacty like a ~2008 era cellphone, as that's what the hardware is. Ever seen one with active cooling? :)
[3:11] <phelps> but its cool
[3:11] <[Saint]> I guess that depends on your definition of "cool".
[3:11] <[Saint]> I see it as a needless additional point of failure.
[3:12] <phelps> <_<
[3:12] <phelps> I'm not running a government off it, I don't care if its needless
[3:13] <phelps> It'd be fun, thats why I got this thing
[3:13] <[Saint]> I'm reasonably certain it would introduce a fair amount of noise in the current.
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[3:13] <shiftplusone> Why stop there then? http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/water-cooled-raspberry-pi.png?w=580&h=366
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[3:14] <shiftplusone> Anyway, why do you need 5v for this?
[3:14] <AR_> jesus
[3:15] <[Saint]> ...yes, my son?
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[3:17] <shiftplusone> are you using a relay that needs 5v to activate or what's the deal there? How are you providing the power for the fan?
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[3:17] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I assume that was the proposed method of powering the fan.
[3:18] <shiftplusone> Straight from a 5v pin?
[3:18] <shiftplusone> even if there was such a thing, it wouldn't provide the necessary current, would it? =/
[3:18] <[Saint]> Apparently.
[3:18] <[Saint]> It can, barely.
[3:18] <shiftplusone> How much do these fans need?
[3:18] <[Saint]> tiny, tine 20~30mm fans.
[3:19] <[Saint]> some of them are really quire efficient, but they;re as useless for cooling as they are efficient....so. :)
[3:19] <[Saint]> DAMMIT!
[3:19] <[Saint]> That's it, I'm doin' it...I'm swapping ; and '
[3:19] <[Saint]> stoopid fingers.
[3:21] <shiftplusone> what about back emf?
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[3:22] <[Saint]> Lenz's law?
[3:22] <[Saint]> Ohhh man, you're takin' me back to school.
[3:22] <azizLIGHTS> shiftplusone: my usb disk i put in, it is GPT and i cant get fdisk to do what the howto is saying... what do i do
[3:23] <shiftplusone> idn, I don't use gpt
[3:23] <clever> azizLIGHTS: then use parted
[3:24] <shiftplusone> I am guessing you do the same thing with a gpt partition table, using whatever tool you know how to use.
[3:25] <azizLIGHTS> how do i get rid of the gpt so that i can follow the rest of the tutorial
[3:25] <azizLIGHTS> using fdisk
[3:25] <phelps> the fan just plugs into the 5v pin
[3:26] <shiftplusone> and draws how much current?
[3:27] <clever> azizLIGHTS: just run fdisk on it
[3:27] <phelps> can't be much, its a 15mm fan
[3:27] <[Saint]> Its not going to be able to provide enough cooling force to justify the expense of powering the thing. Which basically means you'll just end up generating more heat by adding a fan.
[3:27] <[Saint]> ...but, it'll "look cool". :-S
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[3:27] <clever> azizLIGHTS: it should nuke everything if you tell it to shut up and do what you say
[3:27] <clever> azizLIGHTS: but why cant you use parted?
[3:28] <azizLIGHTS> i am a noob...
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[3:28] <azizLIGHTS> and just trying to follow the tutorial
[3:28] <azizLIGHTS> and this roadblock came up
[3:28] <clever> azizLIGHTS: which tutorial?
[3:28] <azizLIGHTS> clever: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44177
[3:29] <clever> azizLIGHTS: the directions simply say to delete the partition, then make a new one
[3:29] <clever> which effectively does nothing at all
[3:29] <phelps> [Saint]: http://www.ebay.com/itm/151136232806
[3:29] <azizLIGHTS> hm
[3:30] <[Saint]> If this wee fan was operating at its peak, it'd only be shifting about 30CFM...
[3:30] <[Saint]> You may as well blow on the thing
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[3:30] <clever> azizLIGHTS: just ignore that step and move to the next one
[3:30] <phelps> If the fan did nothing, it was worth the $20 to see a fan that small
[3:31] <azizLIGHTS> clever: alright, thanks
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[3:37] <phelps> says 60mA for the fan
[3:38] <phelps> its running from a 5.1v 2.1a supply
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[3:43] <SpeedEvil> I would say a fan is not inherently a bad idea.
[3:43] <SpeedEvil> However.
[3:43] <SpeedEvil> The top of the package is not designed for cooling, or any mechanical load whatsoever.
[3:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-Fan-25x25x10-Paintball-Airsoft-CPU-/110344828771?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item19b1107763 - say - on the bottom of the board under the CPU would remove what little heat there is more effectively. This is only applicable really if the temperature inside the case is high for whatever reason
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[3:46] <SpeedEvil> OTOH - those may really suit high power LEDs.
[3:49] <phelps> SpeedEvil: it went from running @ 130-135f to 95-100f
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[3:49] <phelps> the fans/heatsinks work, no doubt
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[3:49] <phelps> will they extend the life of the pi? probably
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> Cooling from under the board may be more efficient yet
[3:50] <phelps> OpenELEC with Turbo overlocking settings
[3:50] <phelps> streaming real 1920x1080 h264 over the network
[3:50] <phelps> was my benchmark
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[3:51] <phelps> it runs even cooler, around 90f if I leave the top of the case open
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[3:51] <phelps> its the acrylic clear case with the 1" circle
[3:52] <RiXtEr> Just drop it in a fish tank full of mineral oil and circulate/cool the mineral oil ;)
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[3:53] <SpeedEvil> RiXtEr: Protip: Remove the fish first.
[3:54] <RiXtEr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtufuXLvOok
[3:54] <RiXtEr> there is a video of a full pc motherboard :)
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[5:07] <Kubius> I'm trying to use minecraft pi edition
[5:07] <Kubius> the game is up and to the left from the actual window
[5:09] <Kubius> anyone have any idea about this
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[5:40] <kylethebaker> hey guys, im curious as to what the pins between the audio and analog video out are for. I see them on certain models but not on others
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[5:41] <kylethebaker> for example, this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/RaspberryPi.jpg versus this: http://anemonesoft.com/image/hw/rpi-model-b-rev-2.png
[5:42] <kylethebaker> are they extra gpio spots that you need to solder on yourself?
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[5:46] <shiftplusone> kylethebaker, yessir, more info here http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#P2_header
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[5:50] <shiftplusone> Can't use them for much though. P5 is where the extra fun is.
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[5:55] <kylethebaker> shiftplusone: i see, it seems like only the power are grounds are usable. is there anything you can do with them? for example, on the lan jtag, p3, could you access raw ethernet packets or something?
[5:55] <shiftplusone> no idea
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[5:59] <rikkib> I am only guessing but I think you should be able to find enough info on the lan chip to figure out how to hook JTag to it but the GPU is pretty proprietary.
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[6:00] <rikkib> You would also need a good understanding of your JTag adapter... Some are better than others
[6:00] <kylethebaker> probably not something i'm ready for quite yet
[6:01] <kylethebaker> i should be getting some stuff in the mail on wednesday to get started with teh gpio stuff, pretty excited
[6:01] <rikkib> I use Olimex ARM-USB-OCD-H
[6:01] <rikkib> But not for the RPi
[6:02] <rikkib> Have another for the TI DSP board I have and also and old parallel JTag
[6:03] <kylethebaker> im not really sure what jtag is, does it let you see the chip instructions or something?
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[6:03] <rikkib> Takes ages to figure out these things and a lot of reading/trying
[6:03] <rikkib> On chip debugger
[6:03] <rikkib> it allows one to use that
[6:04] <rikkib> program quick
[6:04] <rikkib> add break points
[6:04] <rikkib> satep over
[6:04] <rikkib> step over
[6:04] <rikkib> that sort of thing
[6:05] <rikkib> I have stm32v boards which are arm7
[6:05] <kylethebaker> would you be able to run a piece of software and see what its actually doing on a machine level then?
[6:05] <rikkib> I use Eclipse and OpenOCD
[6:05] <rikkib> Yes
[6:05] <rikkib> watchpoints
[6:06] <rikkib> registered
[6:06] <rikkib> pc
[6:06] <rikkib> It is a world of its own and I only understand part of it
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[7:11] <cowboybebop> Hello, have a question regarding HDMI. Would converting the hdmi output from the RPi to DVI and THEN to VGA work? My monitor has no HDMI input, only vga, dvi-d and dp
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[7:11] <shiftplusone> depends on what you mean by converting, I suppose.
[7:12] <cowboybebop> just a cheapo adapter sadly
[7:12] <shiftplusone> Does the adapter 'do' anything?
[7:12] <shiftplusone> (I am leaning towards 'no')
[7:12] <Triffid_Hunter> cowboybebop: vga requires the hdmi sender to support analog mode.. I don't think the rpi does. it should support DVI converter though
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[7:13] <shiftplusone> I can confirm that the pi does not support analog mode
[7:13] <Jusii> yeah, there's no reason to 'convert' first dvi then vga
[7:13] <cowboybebop> thanks shiftplusone and Triffid_Hunter. I think I'll just buy a DVI extender cable and keep swapping between the computer dvi and RPi hdmi->dvi
[7:13] <Jusii> that part isn't conversion, only way is to have active converter to vga
[7:15] <cowboybebop> dvi extension cable I think
[7:15] <cowboybebop> DVI splitter will actually split the signal between two devices
[7:17] <cowboybebop> How hard would ith ave been for dell to just put in hdmi input?
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[8:25] <gordonDrogon> morning..
[8:27] <fugutive221> Good morning
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[8:35] <azizLIGHTS> how much memory should gpu have if i want to run the gui and vnc server?
[8:35] <azizLIGHTS> memory minimum
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[8:35] <azizLIGHTS> i also want to run openvpn
[8:36] <shiftplusone> 16
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[8:36] <azizLIGHTS> it can power a gui and vnc with 16 mb ram on gpu?
[8:36] <shiftplusone> only worry about the gpu if you're going to watch movies with hw acceleration or use opengl es
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[8:37] <shiftplusone> sure, because neither of those actually use the gpu in any way that matters.
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[8:37] <azizLIGHTS> oh i see, is it possible to switch memory on the fly
[8:37] <azizLIGHTS> without reboot
[8:38] <shiftplusone> maybe, but I don't know of any way.
[8:38] <azizLIGHTS> for example, if i want to watch a movie, id like to give more memory to gpu, and when finished, return the memory back
[8:38] <shiftplusone> there's a feature for that, but I am not sure it works in the current firmware
[8:39] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#CMA_-_Dynamic_Memory_Split
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[8:39] <shiftplusone> That will automagically adapt the memory split to what you're doing.
[8:40] <azizLIGHTS> can i ask why this is not enabled by default?
[8:40] <shiftplusone> you can
[8:40] <shiftplusone> (but I have no idea, maybe it's not stable or maybe it causes more problems with people complaining that their memory split is wrong)
[8:41] <azizLIGHTS> it says the firmware as of 19 nov 2012 can do CMA. when you said you are not sure it works in the current firmware, what did you mean?
[8:41] <azizLIGHTS> oh, it is not stable
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[8:41] <shiftplusone> well, it's a wiki... it can say all kinds of things.
[8:42] <shiftplusone> I have no personal experience to confirm that it works and I have seen reports to the contrary, so... I am not sure that it works.
[8:42] <azizLIGHTS> how much memory should the gpu have minimum for playing 720p movies?
[8:42] <azizLIGHTS> i see
[8:43] <shiftplusone> I don't remember, just start with the minimum and bump it up to the next value whenever you run into problems.
[8:43] <shiftplusone> from memory, 32 was enough I think
[8:44] <azizLIGHTS> shiftplusone: very cool
[8:44] <azizLIGHTS> i like this
[8:45] <azizLIGHTS> now im thinking i should get another pi
[8:45] <azizLIGHTS> i am going crazy here man
[8:45] <shiftplusone> heh
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[8:45] <azizLIGHTS> shiftplusone: how many pi
[8:45] <azizLIGHTS> how many pis do you have?
[8:45] <shiftplusone> 3
[8:46] <azizLIGHTS> :)
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[8:56] <ebswift> yeah, raspi's seem to multiply quickly i found
[8:56] <ebswift> i got mine talking to picaxe today over usb->serial, next step i2c when the x2's arrive
[8:57] <shiftplusone> tribbles D=
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[8:57] <shiftplusone> Photoshop in the raspberry pi's and that seems about right http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/ST_TroubleWithTribbles.jpg
[8:58] <ebswift> yup, that's it
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[10:05] <ponA> hi guys, i used "sudo su" to get root privileges, now i would like to switch back to the pi user, which command do i use?
[10:06] <rikkib> exit
[10:07] <ponA> ahh, nice thanks!
[10:07] <mike_t> "sudo su" better "sudo -i"
[10:07] <rikkib> reset and clear are other standard commands
[10:08] <rikkib> sudo passwrd
[10:08] <rikkib> or something like that
[10:08] <rikkib> then who care about sudo
[10:09] <rikkib> just log in as root
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[10:10] <rikkib> Bed time in NZ
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[10:18] <Bertrix> How can you order the RPi from farnell with a business account
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[10:18] <Bertrix> It shows a popup to go to their consumer website (where it costs more)
[10:19] <Bertrix> and a link 'No thanks, I have a business account' that does nothing
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[10:19] <Bertrix> Disabling javascript works but is a bit stupid :P
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[10:20] <ShorTie> so what is the price difference ??
[10:20] <Bertrix> the VAT
[10:20] <Bertrix> for a company you don't have to pay that
[10:21] <ShorTie> boy that tells me alot, lol.
[10:22] <Bertrix> Ok, let me look up the exact pricing
[10:22] <Bertrix> just a sec
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[10:22] <ShorTie> no biggie, figured you know off the top of your head
[10:23] <Bertrix> for business 28.88� (model A) 36.10� (model B), for consumer (only model B seems available): 39.33�
[10:23] <Bertrix> in Belgium
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[10:24] <ShorTie> farnell/newark are tax happy, they charge me sales tax when they do not even have any thing in my state
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[10:25] <ShorTie> 3 bucks isn't that much is it ??
[10:26] <Bertrix> no, but I also need to order it via the company
[10:26] <Bertrix> to get the money back if I would pay it myself will take hours of adminstration...
[10:26] <Bertrix> also I need model A
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[10:27] <ShorTie> what is the specific need for a model A ??
[10:27] <Bertrix> Lower profile
[10:28] <Bertrix> Model B will physically not fit unless I unsolder usb/ethernet
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[10:28] <ShorTie> oh
[10:28] <Bertrix> Replacing existing (broken) controller in system
[10:28] <azizLIGHTS> is it a bad idea to use 2048 RSA key size for openvpn on rpi?
[10:28] <azizLIGHTS> should i stick to 1024
[10:29] <Bertrix> no, conencting may take a few seconds longer
[10:29] <Bertrix> but the connection will not slow down
[10:29] <Bertrix> the rsakey is only used when connecting (and during key renewals)
[10:29] <azizLIGHTS> i see, thank you Bertrix
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[10:31] <Bertrix> azizLIGHTS: I would not generate the key or diffie helman parameters on the rpi however, that may take a long time
[10:32] <azizLIGHTS> Bertrix: how long are we talking about. i can wait
[10:32] <Bertrix> No idea, at least several minutes for diffie helman
[10:33] <azizLIGHTS> should be ok. im patient :)
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[10:33] <Bertrix> Cisco's default ssh keysize is 512 I discovered two days ago
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[10:34] <Bertrix> a bit stupid in current times
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[10:34] <azizLIGHTS> no due diligence done
[10:35] <Bertrix> When you create the key you can enter the size, but the default if you press enter is 512
[10:35] <azizLIGHTS> they encourage you to be insecure
[10:36] <azizLIGHTS> they must not have looked at those defaults in a while most likely
[10:36] <Bertrix> yeah, guess so
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[10:39] <Bertrix> Funny, the belgian rpi seller promotes it as (translated by google translate): "Discover The Raspberry Pi, a computer barely bigger than a credit card, can connect to a monitor or a keyboard. It can be used as a desktop PC with an ARM processor, launch type application, spreadsheets, word processing, games but also stream videos in high definition. The Raspberry Pi comes naked, without memory, power supply, keyboard, case or cables."
[10:39] <Bertrix> I feel some people ordering it as a cheap computer will be disappointed...
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[10:40] <ShorTie> why ??
[10:40] <ShorTie> you get what you pay for
[10:40] <Bertrix> Of course
[10:41] <ShorTie> peeps should know you can't get a super computer for 35 bucks
[10:43] <rigid> isn't there a way to receive RF with the raspi without additional hardware?
[10:43] <Bertrix> Oh, but they don't. I know someone who does post-buy support for a large electronics retailer
[10:43] <rigid> or minimal additional hardware...
[10:43] <Bertrix> People call 'hello I bought this 150� netbook and I installed skyrim but it will not load is the machine defective?'
[10:44] <Bertrix> rigid: what do you want to receive?
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[10:44] <Bertrix> You can look up RTL-SDR, this will cost you 10$ for a software radio stick you can plug in the usb port
[10:44] <rigid> Bertrix: well, RF of any kind...
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[10:45] <Bertrix> then the RTL-SDR is probably best
[10:45] <azizLIGHTS> Bertrix: this guy has linux on a 8 bit micro
[10:45] <Bertrix> ?
[10:45] <ShorTie> then just stick a piece of wire to a gpio pin, lol.
[10:45] <azizLIGHTS> http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
[10:45] <rigid> Bertrix: yeah i found that on HaD... With the GPIO making up a transmitter it's quite nice. But I wonder about receiving without that radio stick
[10:45] <Bertrix> You will need some hardware
[10:46] <rigid> sadly, the raspi has no A/D
[10:46] <Bertrix> can be as simple as a tuned circuit, an amplifier and a peak detector
[10:46] <rigid> Bertrix: surely. At least an antenna :)
[10:46] <Bertrix> or a regenerative receiver can probably do it with a single transistor
[10:46] <Bertrix> but finicky to tune
[10:46] <rigid> yeah... i wondered about using the GPIOs to build an SDR... maybe with opamps or so
[10:47] <rigid> which would cut it down to a few cent of omnipresent junk components
[10:47] <ebswift> i hooked up picaxe for AD
[10:47] <rigid> ebswift: that's external :)
[10:47] <Bertrix> That PI single wire to gpio transmitter is quite illegal
[10:47] <rigid> but even an R2D network would be external
[10:48] <ebswift> yeah, but most simple circuit i could come up with
[10:48] <Bertrix> You at least need to filter it so it only radiates on 1 frequency
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[10:48] <rigid> Bertrix: it's just a PoC
[10:49] <Bertrix> Filtering is easy, just some inductors and capacitors
[10:49] <ShorTie> more parts
[10:50] <rigid> yeah... there are lots of ways for filtering... but even with filters it remains a hack that's mostly impractical to use in a real project i guess
[10:50] <rigid> but i wouldn't care
[10:50] <rigid> hm, actually I'd find a powerline modem-built-from-few-junk-parts much more interesting...
[10:51] <rigid> much more than RF...
[10:51] <Bertrix> What bandwidth do you want?
[10:51] <Bertrix> If it is little it is easy to make
[10:51] <rigid> Bertrix: for PLC? even 12 baud would rock, as long as everyone could built it from junk, i guess
[10:51] <rigid> you don't need lotsa bandwidth for switching/controling
[10:52] <Bertrix> Ah, that is simple. You connect a small signal transformer (rated for mains isolation!) via a capacitor to the mains
[10:52] <rigid> Bertrix: is it? i thought it's quite complex because of the high noise environment
[10:52] <Bertrix> the other side you connect to a gpio
[10:52] <Bertrix> Not for low bandwidth
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[10:52] <Bertrix> The you bitbang the GPIO at say 100KHz to send a 1 and nothing to send a 0
[10:53] <rigid> really? even if you turn on a 1000W motor blender or something? :)
[10:53] <Bertrix> on the other side you make 100KHz notch filter, amplifier and threshold detector
[10:53] <Bertrix> You can smooth the received signal al lot, so noise will be reduced, and only 100KHz will be accepted
[10:53] <rigid> there even are very cheap frequency selective switch ICs
[10:53] <Bertrix> But they are not very narrowband
[10:53] <rigid> "smooth"? the 100kHz?
[10:54] <Bertrix> the output of the detector
[10:54] <Bertrix> there will be some noise on the signal ofc
[10:54] <rigid> why not 10kHz for 0 and 100kHz for 1? for example
[10:54] <Bertrix> but averaging will remove that
[10:54] <Bertrix> That is also possible, called FSK, but more difficult to make
[10:54] <Bertrix> the detector is more difficult, the transmitter is same
[10:54] <rigid> ah, i thought frequency shift keying is used to implement different channels
[10:55] <rigid> hm... so i guess the transformer is the key part... but signal transformers are not really "junk" parts :(
[10:55] <Bertrix> that is FDMA
[10:55] <Bertrix> you can do without, just using two mains rated capacitors
[10:56] <Bertrix> but you may not touch the pi when it is connected
[10:56] <rigid> Bertrix: what bandwidth would you think could be achieved with "the most simple" circuit?
[10:56] <Bertrix> 100buad maybe?
[10:56] <rigid> oh well... that would be a stupid hack, i guess... i currently wonder where I could rip out a signal transformer :)
[10:57] <Bertrix> old modem maybe
[10:57] <rigid> hm... 100 baud would be enough for IP already... i guess a simple protocol with error correction could render a usable application
[10:57] <Bertrix> Be careful with mains electricity with unspecced components
[10:57] <rigid> the only remaining problems would be software & bridging phases...
[10:58] <Bertrix> Got bitten once, it hurts.
[10:58] <rigid> hm... modems are not powerline rated i guess since they use the telephone line... or are they?
[10:58] <Bertrix> I don't think so, they have high isolation requirements for lightning on the line etc
[10:58] <Bertrix> so I guess they will stand up to 230v continuously, but I would be wary
[10:59] <rigid> hmmm... so basically any old isdn telephone could be a source?
[10:59] <rigid> or don't they meet the bandwidth requirements for the transformer
[11:00] <Bertrix> They are not made for 3-4KHz, but work a lot higher
[11:00] <Bertrix> just not as good
[11:00] <rigid> what about network cards? they aren't made for 230V i guess
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[11:01] <rigid> hm... "not as good" as "could work but not optimal" or "doubtful that it'll work"
[11:01] <rigid> ?
[11:01] <Bertrix> will likely work for low bandwidth
[11:01] <Bertrix> you could also try an ordinary power transformer
[11:01] <Bertrix> they will be lossy, but some signal may get through
[11:02] <rigid> hm... could i use a spectrum analyzer to test if it's suited?
[11:02] <Bertrix> Yeah
[11:02] <Bertrix> VNA is even better
[11:02] <rigid> VNA?
[11:02] <Bertrix> Vector network analyser
[11:02] <Bertrix> it is a kind of spectrum analyser with integrated signal generator
[11:02] <rigid> uhm, i doubt i have that available :)
[11:02] <Bertrix> so it measures the transfer function of what you connect
[11:03] <Bertrix> Then use a spectrum analyser (or even just oscilloscope) and signal generator
[11:03] <rigid> how would I do that? square-wave generator -> transformer -> frequency analyser to get dBm?
[11:03] <Bertrix> better sine wave, the fast risetime of the square will make the transformer ring
[11:03] <rigid> hm... i wouldn't know how to "simulate" the mains
[11:03] <Bertrix> you don't have to
[11:03] <rigid> hm... so i use a series resistor on the GPIO output i guess...
[11:04] <Bertrix> you put a coupling capacitor in series with the transfoermer and the mains
[11:04] <Bertrix> so the signal is weakly injected
[11:05] <rigid> hm... can I use any capacitor with enough voltage rating for decoupling?
[11:06] <Bertrix> better to use a special mains capacitor
[11:06] <Bertrix> that will fail open
[11:06] <Bertrix> you can get it from old power supplies
[11:07] <rigid> ah, the big buggers from PSUs... great
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[11:07] <shiftplusone> C200, ah, you made it. Welcome
[11:07] <C200> shiftplusone: thanks again
[11:07] <rigid> hm, maxim makes PLC ICs that can bridge several kilometers and the signal even jumps phases
[11:07] <shiftplusone> np
[11:07] <rigid> so you don't need phase bridges... amazing
[11:07] <Bertrix> Yeah, that uses DTM
[11:07] <Bertrix> and high enough frequency to capacitively couple
[11:08] <Bertrix> not easy to make
[11:08] <rigid> it jumps transformers... amazing
[11:08] <Bertrix> Yeah it works around 3-30MHz
[11:08] <rigid> i guess they are quite costly
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[11:09] <rigid> i guess that's the reason why there are no cheap low bandwidth PLC ICs available
[11:09] <rigid> since you need high frequencies anyway to be reliable
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[11:10] <rigid> Bertrix: i guess the value of the decoupling capacitors matters... can I take any as long as it's one from a PSU?
[11:11] <Bertrix> It will matter somewhat
[11:11] <Bertrix> but not too critical I think
[11:11] <rigid> hm... it's dependant of my frequency i guess?
[11:11] <Bertrix> Yes
[11:11] <Bertrix> but since the transformer is also unknown...
[11:11] <rigid> well, i could maybe vary the frequency for optimization
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[12:14] <beaky> hello
[12:14] <beaky> what is the maximum allowed input ripple voltage for the pi
[12:17] <shiftplusone> hard to say =/
[12:18] <beaky> my psu has 1mv ripple
[12:18] <shiftplusone> definitely more than good enough
[12:19] <beaky> but it only has 50mA curent
[12:19] <shiftplusone> definitely nowhere near good enough D=
[12:20] <beaky> how much current is recommended for the model b (700mA seems bare minimum)
[12:20] <shiftplusone> What the hell is a 5V, 50mA supply for?
[12:20] <beaky> for arduino :D
[12:20] <shiftplusone> ah
[12:20] <shiftplusone> do you intend on using usb devices?
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[12:21] <beaky> yes i have a wifi dongle and a usb stick
[12:21] <beaky> so i guess i need ~2A
[12:22] <shiftplusone> The pi has a polyfuse which means that there's no point having a supply greater than 1A
[12:22] <beaky> ah so it can only source 1A max?
[12:22] <shiftplusone> A little less, but yes.
[12:23] <shiftplusone> Most wifi dongles need an externally powered usb hub, but some work fine without one.
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[12:23] <beaky> ok maybe i can ditch the peripherals and just use ethernet
[12:23] <beaky> that way i can stay under 1A :D
[12:23] <beaky> if i use more my polyfuse will pop?
[12:24] <shiftplusone> polyfuses don't pop
[12:24] <Triffid_Hunter> beaky: I suggest a 2A supply
[12:24] <shiftplusone> they reset after a while
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[12:24] <beaky> yes i think standard usb charger gives 2a
[12:24] <shiftplusone> Why? (if he's not going to mod his pi)
[12:24] <Triffid_Hunter> not because the pi takes 2A, but because many "1A" supplies start to lose volts at about 500mA, whereas the rpi requires a rock solid 5v at ~700mA
[12:24] <beaky> ah right i will play it safe with 2A
[12:25] <shiftplusone> That seems more like a power supply quality issue than an current rating issue
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[12:25] <Triffid_Hunter> phones don't care, they have a reg on the battery anyway so a lost volt at higher charge rates doesn't make much difference
[12:25] <beaky> the pi doesnt have an embedded regulator?
[12:25] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: granted, however it's so prevalent that it's not really worth the gamble in my book
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[12:26] <Triffid_Hunter> beaky: it has a 3.3v regulator, but if the supply drops below 4.75 then it browns out so apparently not a particularly good one
[12:26] <ShorTie> yes it does, because it really runs at 3.3v
[12:26] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, there is some debate about that.
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[12:27] <Triffid_Hunter> ShorTie: well the broadcom soc will have various power domains from 3.3v and down, but *something* on the rpi sure does get sad enough at 4.75 for the whole thing to bomb
[12:27] <ShorTie> well ya, i guess your right, if you pick your chip and where you want to measure
[12:28] <Triffid_Hunter> seems daft to me.. should never rely on power coming over a cable to be 'right'
[12:28] <Triffid_Hunter> I'd have put a boostbuck, or at least made sure that it was happy down to 4v
[12:28] <ShorTie> but generally, it's a 3.3v device i believe
[12:28] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, the whole thing? Usually people run fine on 4v and only complain about the network dropping out and usb issues (which obviously uses the 5v)
[12:29] <Triffid_Hunter> it baffles me how someone can put a full stacked soc on a board, yet make these rookie mistakes wrt power
[12:29] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, word on the street it that the BAT1 to BAT4 are actually used for something.
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[12:31] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, Actually, there were going to have a switched mode regulator, but the cost was a concern. Then they wanted to use a linear regulator and a DC barrel jack, but people complained since it wouldn't be a 5v supply anymore and the microusb thing was something people demanded.
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[12:32] <Triffid_Hunter> heh, well now there are massively widespread complaints about the poor power infrastructure on it
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[12:33] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's... unfortunate.
[12:33] <ShorTie> can't pleaze everyone
[12:33] <Triffid_Hunter> ShorTie: having bigger traces between the power input, the gpio header and the usb-a sockets would have pleased me
[12:34] <beaky> i love the pi it is a very well designed board and the cheapest single-board pc out there
[12:34] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, have you established they are insufficient if you short the polyfuse?
[12:34] <Triffid_Hunter> when I can run a couple bits of wire and add a couple of smd caps, and the thing doesn't brown out anymore, the power was done wrong
[12:34] <beaky> and it has an awesome comnutiy that helped me with everything
[12:34] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: I've never run power through the polyfuse on mine
[12:34] <ShorTie> ya, they did skimp on the caps
[12:34] <shiftplusone> yeah, but do you know for sure it's not safe without the wires?
[12:34] <Triffid_Hunter> had plenty of 0.1" housings, but nothing with microusb
[12:35] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: it would brown out when I plugged in usb devices before I modded it.. was golden afterwards, unshakeable
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[12:35] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, yeah, but that's thanks to the caps, not the wires?
[12:35] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: yeah most likely
[12:36] <Triffid_Hunter> but srsly, there's plenty of room on the board for 3x 0603 smd caps which is all I added
[12:36] <shiftplusone> Then why do you say wider traces would've been good? Suspicion or do you know they're inadequate?
[12:36] <Triffid_Hunter> should have been there in the first place.. decoupling is like the first thing anyone learns in digital electronics, no?
[12:36] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: multimeter said there's a few ohms worth between one side and the other on 5v
[12:37] <shiftplusone> are you sure that wasn't the polyfuse?
[12:37] <Triffid_Hunter> completely sure. I know a polyfuse when I see one, and I know exactly what's in 'em. it's normal for those to measure a few ohms
[12:38] <shiftplusone> hm
[12:38] <ShorTie> limitation can be thought of learning tools also, which is what the rPi was designed for
[12:38] <shiftplusone> a few ohms seems a bit high just for the traces =S
[12:38] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: yeah, unless they're 6-8 mil like the signal traces
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[12:39] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, idn... for the price, I really don't mind the design. It's certainly not perfect, but I'd rather deal with it than fork out the extra cash for a beaglebone.
[12:39] <Triffid_Hunter> same, but only because I have the tools and knowledge to fix it
[12:39] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
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[12:39] <shiftplusone> But then again, as Triffid_Hunter points out, the major problems would've been trivial to fix.
[12:39] <Triffid_Hunter> http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG <-- that's all it took to stabilise mine
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[12:40] <ShorTie> true, at least the proper size cap for usb would have been nice
[12:40] <Triffid_Hunter> frankly I wonder if adding a couple of caps would prevent the seemingly common incidence of SD card corruption too?
[12:40] <Triffid_Hunter> those SD cards can take some fairly mighty slurps when writing
[12:40] <Triffid_Hunter> I've measured some cards taking up to 200mA during a block write
[12:41] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, nuh, the current theory is that it's a timing issue.
[12:41] <shiftplusone> they have pushed a fix out in the 'next' firmware branch
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[12:41] <ShorTie> nothing beats a good power supply
[12:41] <Triffid_Hunter> timing eh?
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[12:41] <shiftplusone> Yeah, they switched to the GPU clock rather than the CPU clock and think that should do it. I didn't look too closely into it, so I may be wrong there, but it's something along those lines.
[12:41] <Triffid_Hunter> I've got a firmware project going myself where I'm about to start trimming the timing down on SD card access, should be fun
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[12:42] <shiftplusone> What board? One of the stm32 ones?
[12:43] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: nxp's lpc1769 actually, also cortex-m3
[12:43] <shiftplusone> ah, close
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[12:43] <Triffid_Hunter> have a board with sam3u kicking around somewhere too.. those are cortex-m3 but have SDIO and high speed usb.. the bootloader on it is stupid though, has been tripping me up
[12:43] <shiftplusone> It's kind of fun to mess around with bare metal firmware on those boards (if you don't have deadlines)
[12:44] <Triffid_Hunter> yep, open source projects are fantastic for lack of deadlines
[12:46] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: I've been thinking lately that cortex-m4 + rpi or similar would be a very potent combination for robotics
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[12:47] <beaky> i love robots
[12:47] <shiftplusone> yeah, definitely
[12:47] <Triffid_Hunter> got an -m4 in storage somewhere waiting for me to have time to sit down and mess with it
[12:48] <beaky> a bmw?
[12:48] <beaky> m4
[12:49] <Triffid_Hunter> beaky: cortex-m4.. 100MHz+ "microcontroller" with floating point coprocessor.. thing will happily run linux with some external ram
[12:49] <shiftplusone> Nice. I've messed with the m4 a little, but I really need to take some time to figure it out a little better. I've only used the provided libraries, which hide what actually in the registers, so I didn't really understand what I was doing.
[12:50] <beaky> wow that is a wicked chip
[12:50] <beaky> my arduino can only do 16mHz
[12:50] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: cmsis is pretty low level, using that interface isn't far off direct register access.. you may have used something on top of cmsis though
[12:50] <shiftplusone> beaky, stm32 f4 discovery is a cheap m4 board that's worth a go.
[12:50] <beaky> imagine what one can do with an m4
[12:50] <Triffid_Hunter> beaky: they're about the same cost as avr8 core, ironically enough
[12:51] <Triffid_Hunter> beaky: no need to imagine, I know ;)
[12:51] <Triffid_Hunter> I'm planning on running a massive kalman filter and a bunch of IK on one
[12:51] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, yeah, you're right, I've had a look at the source and the functions were just a few lines flipping registers and such, so it wouldn't be hard to figure out.
[12:51] <beaky> woah why are they as cheap as an atmega328p
[12:51] <Triffid_Hunter> ST's DMA setup is stupid though.. it is on the -m3s anyway
[12:52] <Triffid_Hunter> all the dma channels are hardwired to specific peripherals, instead of being selectable like nxp
[12:52] <shiftplusone> Yeah, that's the case if I recall correctly.
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[13:10] <beaky> how do i interface a 5V part with the pi
[13:11] <pksato> beaky: using a level shift.
[13:11] <ShorTie> logical level shift convertor, ie:mosfet
[13:12] <pksato> a passive level shift work on most low speed uses.
[13:12] <beaky> so i can use a schmitt trigger?
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[13:12] <pksato> low speed < 10MHz.
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[13:13] <pksato> beaky: unidirectional rpi output to 5V input can done direct.
[13:13] <beaky> will the pi like 5V input?
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[13:14] <pksato> 5V output to rpi input need a level shift, as simple voltage divider.
[13:14] <Triffid_Hunter> beaky: it will break. if you're very lucky, it will only destroy the one gpio pin
[13:15] <pksato> bidirectional comunication need a level shift, passive or active.
[13:15] <beaky> ok i will use a cmos AND gate
[13:15] <beaky> two AND gates for input and output
[13:15] <pksato> open conector interface need do be pullup to 3v3.
[13:15] <ShorTie> a simple voltage will enable a 5v input
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[13:16] <pksato> bidirectional using same pin.
[13:16] <ShorTie> a simple voltage divider will enable a 5v input
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[13:22] <sinni800> beaky: how about really going overboard and instead of providing almost double the voltage, supply 240v right to the gpio
[13:22] <sinni800> THAT'LL SHORT _EM
[13:22] <sinni800> 'em
[13:22] <beaky> but that will smoke my pi :(
[13:22] <sinni800> i wanna see the fireworks
[13:23] <ShorTie> i hear they taste better smoked
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[13:24] <sinni800> while we're at fireworks and smoke... i heard someone once built in a larger battery into his car, his pins were not isolated on the battery... he shut the unisolated hood, the hood shorted both battery pins
[13:24] <sinni800> and the rest was fireworks
[13:25] <sinni800> it was physically larger, but he said "it'll fit"
[13:25] <sinni800> heh.
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[13:30] <ShorTie> just needed a bigger hammer
[13:31] <sinni800> and while you're at it, let the new battery acid eat your clothes?
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[13:57] <BCMM> sinni800: you only need to short one pin; the other one is usually already connected to the chassis
[13:57] <sinni800> oh woops
[13:57] <sinni800> i forgot
[13:57] <sinni800> mass is already on the chassis
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[13:58] <sinni800> connect plus to chassis = firework
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[14:04] <azizLIGHTS> i just finished setting up openvpn on my pi
[14:04] <azizLIGHTS> amazing
[14:04] <azizLIGHTS> this little thing man
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[14:08] <amr> azizLIGHTS: as a vpn server?
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> afternoon...
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[14:10] <azizLIGHTS> amr: yup
[14:10] <amr> sweet
[14:10] <azizLIGHTS> i just tethered to my phone and tested it out from 3g
[14:11] <azizLIGHTS> works fine
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[14:11] <azizLIGHTS> this guy's video on youtube made it easy as pi (raspberry flavor)
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[14:18] <dwatkins> or tau...
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[14:20] <spark3y> Hi, i am trying to take a screenshot of an omxplayer output with scrot or import but it seems that i only get what is behind the moviescreen playing from omxplayer.
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[14:22] <shiftplusone> spark3y, can't do it, since that is processed directly by the GPU and can't be read back like the framebuffer.
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[14:23] <spark3y> oh i see =/ are there any other players out there that achieve this?
[14:23] <shiftplusone> not sure... if you don't need hw acceleration, I suppose mplayer might do it.
[14:24] <spark3y> ok i will try that :) thanks
[14:24] <azizLIGHTS> besides sudo apt-get update, what there updates can i do on rpi?
[14:24] <shiftplusone> azizLIGHTS, with apt-get upgrade, I hope?
[14:25] <shiftplusone> azizLIGHTS, there's rpi-update, but don't use it.
[14:25] <dwatkins> I thought it was best to do: apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:25] <shiftplusone> why?
[14:26] <azizLIGHTS> rpi-update is a firmware thing isnt it? so i wont do that. whats wrong with apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade? should i do that one or no?
[14:26] <dwatkins> because "upgrade" will only upgrade existing packages, whereas "dist-upgrade" will install additional packages as required to allow installed packages to get to the latest version available in the relevant repositories.
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[14:27] <shiftplusone> azizLIGHTS, yeah, you should apt-get upgrade once in a while.
[14:27] <shiftplusone> dwatkins, when would that be the case aside from an actual distro upgrade?
[14:28] <[SLB]> when some upgraded packages require new dependencies that didn't have before
[14:29] <shiftplusone> which happens often within a single debian release? O_o
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[14:30] <dwatkins> yeah, the name is misleading with "dist-upgrade" - see more info here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html
[14:30] <[SLB]> not often but neither never eheh
[14:30] <shiftplusone> Well then... learned something new then.
[14:30] <[SLB]> :)
[14:30] <shiftplusone> thanks
[14:31] <shiftplusone> seems a little awkward
[14:32] <[SLB]> yup just sometimes devs of a package including new features may need a new dependency to be satisfied
[14:32] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I understand that, I mean the way apt works in this regard seems a little strange
[14:33] <[SLB]> and sometimes one doesn't even realise it because the dependency is already installed eheh
[14:33] <[SLB]> yus
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[14:34] <[SLB]> about rpi-update, i run it time to time, less frequently than apt-get upgrade, the kernel is eventually pushed to the repos anyway but rpi-update is like bleeding edge kernel, sometimes that's needed
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[14:35] <[SLB]> first time ran it backs up /boot, at least, so it used to do in the past
[14:35] <dwatkins> I'm hesitant to upgrade my Pi after doing so with XBMCbuntu broke it, although I gather that's not such a problem anymore.
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[14:35] <[SLB]> i use raspbian personally, not sure about others
[14:35] <dwatkins> no, sorry, this was RaspBMC.
[14:35] <[SLB]> eheh
[14:35] <dwatkins> It's really nice and stable now, or it was last time I used it.
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[15:59] <Hix> Just downloaded the Pasbpicam documentation. It's in .odt format. What can I view this in? N++ fails to open it successfully.
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[16:02] <Hix> also does anyone have any information on the Cam module board. I am looking to CAD a housing but need the geometric information for the module to do so. I haven't recevied the module in the post as yet, so can't measure it. pdf or dxf would be really useful. If anyone knows of one?
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[16:04] <Jusii> open/libreoffice
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[16:13] <Hix> drawing is here for those that want mech info on cam http://www.scribd.com/doc/142718448/Raspberry-Pi-Camera-Mechanical-Data
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[17:15] <topi`> I just compiled my custom rpi kernel image, but how do I make that kernel.img out of vmlinuz-3.10.18+ ?
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[17:16] <Jusii> mv ? :)
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[17:25] <topi`> find . -name kernel.img finds nothing
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[17:28] <Jusii> try zImage
[17:28] <Jusii> arch/arm/boot/zImage
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[17:33] * LuisLeite good afternoon :>
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[18:00] <topi`> afaik, zImage does not contain a initrd, does it?
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[18:00] <ocx> hi all! anyone know of a usb capture card (composite) that works with the rpi? thanks!
[18:01] <ocx> any success stories to share ? :)
[18:02] <Jusii> topi`: you can append it to it
[18:02] <topi`> now, /boot updated, lets see whether my rpi boots any longer...
[18:02] <topi`> brick brick brick
[18:02] <Jusii> this is what I do:
[18:02] <Jusii> find . | cpio -H newc -o > ../$KERNEL/initramfs.cpio
[18:03] <Jusii> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- -j8 -k
[18:03] <Jusii> initramfs is automatically added to zImage
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[18:03] <topi`> if it is on the kernel src root?
[18:04] <Jusii> right
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[18:04] <Jusii> this is from .config CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE="initramfs.cpio"
[18:05] <Jusii> so you have to enable it if you want to do it this way
[18:05] <topi`> whoa, my new kernel worked
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[18:06] <SKyd3R> hi there
[18:06] <Jusii> I think default .config for RPi has everything that's needed compiled in
[18:06] <Jusii> so initrd isn't mandatory
[18:07] <clever> yeah, i prefer to just boot without an initrd
[18:07] <topi`> I just copied the modules into /lib/modules/
[18:07] <clever> but it can be usefull for a recovery image, link the initrd right into the kernel and you have a single file recovery image
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[18:07] <SKyd3R> I wonder if there is any easy way to debug the RaspPi
[18:07] <clever> SKyd3R: serial console
[18:08] <SKyd3R> I have to debug it from my laptop
[18:08] <SKyd3R> and the Rasp doen't have serial port or smth
[18:08] <clever> SKyd3R: it has a serial port
[18:09] <clever> SKyd3R: http://elinux.org/File:GPIOs.png GPIO 14 and GPIO 15
[18:09] <clever> which are 3.3v, not rs232
[18:09] <ocx> anyone?
[18:10] <clever> ocx: anything with open source drivers should work, just a matter of compiling them for arm
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo: ---> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/11/review_raspberry_pi_fuze_case_and_kit/
[18:10] <ocx> clever: any devices you can point me too?
[18:10] <ocx> with opensource
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[18:11] <clever> ocx: ive not tried any on my end
[18:11] <nid0> 2nd raspberrypi story of the day on theregister then
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[18:11] <ocx> clever: do you know any success sotires
[18:12] <ocx> stories
[18:12] <SKyd3R> so clever, http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBTTLSerial.htm none of this will be useful?
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[18:13] <clever> SKyd3R: yep, thats one wauy
[18:13] <Jusii> I have couple of those
[18:13] <SKyd3R> ok, thank you
[18:13] <clever> SKyd3R: i use this one myself: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873
[18:13] <SKyd3R> baking a Rasp is quite hard
[18:13] <SKyd3R> hehe
[18:13] <Jusii> and couple of these https://www.modmypi.com/USB-to-TTL-Serial-Cable-Debug-Console-Cable-for-Raspberry-Pi?filter_name=serial
[18:13] <clever> then just wire tx->rx, rx<-tx, gnd<->gnd
[18:14] <SKyd3R> cool
[18:14] <clever> the only problem i have, if you set the ftdi for 3.3v serial, the vcc pin is also 3.3v
[18:14] <clever> so you cant power the rpi off it
[18:14] <clever> so i need to eat a 2nd usb port for power
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[18:15] <SKyd3R> :S
[18:15] <SKyd3R> it's not big deal but that should be annoying
[18:15] <clever> just means i need a mini-b usb cord for the ftdi, then a micro usb cord for the pi
[18:15] <clever> you could modify the ftdi though
[18:16] <clever> there is a trace on the bottom with 5v from the usb, add a wire and some hotglue, and your done
[18:17] <kylethebaker> is the rpi able to draw enough power from usb or does it need to be plugged into the wall?
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[18:17] <clever> kylethebaker: mine is running off a usb port in the laptop right now
[18:17] <clever> only proble, is that i keep unplugging it without thinking when i take the laptop to another room
[18:17] <fengshaun> YUSS!! First time ssh'ing into a RPi!
[18:18] <kylethebaker> thats awesome, it makes it a lot more portable
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[18:20] <ocx> anyone knows of a success story?
[18:20] <fengshaun> do I need to make a non-root user if I'm going to use pi as a home server?
[18:20] <clever> fengshaun: it probly already has one, pi
[18:21] <SKyd3R> clever, sorry to keep bothering you but do you know any boot loader implementation?
[18:21] <SKyd3R> that will make my development much more asy
[18:21] <SKyd3R> *easy
[18:21] <fengshaun> clever: thanks
[18:21] <clever> SKyd3R: cant remember any, the firmware just blindly runs kernel.img
[18:22] <clever> SKyd3R: what are you trying to modify?
[18:22] <SKyd3R> I'm trying to make a OS
[18:22] <SKyd3R> I mean
[18:22] <clever> ah
[18:22] <SKyd3R> I have it for x86
[18:22] <fengshaun> clever: no, I'm using the arch image, it just has root
[18:23] <SKyd3R> I want to port it to the RPi
[18:23] <clever> fengshaun: ah, then you will want to make a non-root user
[18:23] <SKyd3R> and this is my first contact with this kind of device
[18:23] <clever> SKyd3R: https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal
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[18:25] <Jusii> SKyd3R: http://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot
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[18:26] <SKyd3R> thank you a lot guys
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[18:26] <SKyd3R> I'll take a look right now
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[18:30] <fengshaun> clever: am I not going to just run the server software as root anyway?
[18:31] <clever> fengshaun: yeah
[18:31] <SKyd3R> but running some software is more secure than running all the system as a root
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[18:35] <fengshaun> clever: so, why would I need a non-root user? Sorry, I'm new to the server realm
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[18:35] <clever> fengshaun: thats just how most systems do it
[18:36] <fengshaun> oh, fair enough! Thanks!
[18:36] <nid0> fengshaun: you have no need for a non root user at all
[18:36] <fengshaun> oh cool
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[18:36] <fengshaun> no security issues with that?
[18:36] <nid0> its considered best-practice to use a user without root access for tasks that don't need it
[18:37] <nid0> but there's no particular neccessity to
[18:37] <fengshaun> awesome, thanks a lot!
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[18:39] <ThiefMaster> tbh, i think on a small device such as the pi, especially when used just for fun, there is no point in using a non-root user.
[18:39] <ThiefMaster> especially not this "never have an interactive root shell, always use sudo" paradigm the ubuntu people seem to have... when doing stuff that requires root a root shell is much more useful after all
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[18:58] <SKyd3R> see you guys
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[21:34] <Kubius> anyone here know how the heck to make minecraft pi edition not offset from the physical window?
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[21:38] <Kubius> no one?
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[21:42] <Nefarious___> Google is your friend
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[21:47] <Kubius> Uh no
[21:48] <IT_Sean> Uh yes.
[21:48] <Kubius> not in this case
[21:48] <IT_Sean> Your google-fu is not strong.
[21:49] <sney> at least broaden your scope and/or go through what you've tried already to fix it
[21:49] <Kubius> I've not tried anything and when I tried googling it I ended up getting 3 results and none of them relevant
[21:50] <sney> the former, then
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[21:51] <sney> here's a clue: minecraft is a java application
[21:53] <Kubius> it's baffling
[21:53] <Kubius> the program runs
[21:53] <Kubius> I can play it
[21:53] <Kubius> the window is just offset
[21:53] <IT_Sean> offset?
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[21:53] <Kubius> the game screen is up and to the left of the actual window
[21:54] <IT_Sean> what do you mean by "the actual window"
[21:54] <IT_Sean> ?
[21:54] <[SLB]> the actual window being the screen?
[21:54] <IT_Sean> do you have a screenshot of whatever the issue is?
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[21:55] <Kubius> what I mean by the actual window:
[21:55] <Kubius> the thing you can move around
[21:55] <Kubius> with the close button
[21:55] <IT_Sean> .....
[21:55] <Kubius> what I mean by the game screen:
[21:55] <IT_Sean> I give up
[21:55] * IT_Sean wanders off
[21:55] <Kubius> the square in which the game renders
[21:55] <[SLB]> can't it go fullscreen?
[21:56] <Kubius> it still happens in fullscreen
[21:56] <Kubius> I think it might be overscan related'
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[21:57] <[SLB]> overscan just shifts the whole screen
[21:58] <[SLB]> not a game within its window
[21:58] <[SLB]> here someone plays it full screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szbEFsU6jqg
[21:58] <[SLB]> not sure, never used it myself
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[21:59] <Kubius> I'm pretty bloody sure it's overscan related because the game window renders inside the overscan area of my screen where the OS doesn't
[21:59] <Kubius> now the question is how to resolve it....
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[22:00] <[SLB]> you said the game renders shifted from the window with the close button
[22:00] <Kubius> yes
[22:00] <Kubius> up and to the left
[22:01] <[SLB]> if it were overscan, also the window with the close button would shift along
[22:01] <Kubius> I'm thinking the game's renderer is ignoring the overscan
[22:01] <Kubius> but the window isn't
[22:02] <Kubius> thus a discrepancy
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[22:04] <[SLB]> just googled minecraft pi overscan http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=33428&p=297335
[22:04] <[SLB]> hope that helps
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[22:04] <Nefarious___> "Google is your friend"
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[22:04] <[SLB]> this also http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1802688-minecraft-pi-edition-not-centred-in-window/
[22:04] <[SLB]> "It's a bug and will be fixed in the next update. In the meantime, you can try disabling overscan"
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[22:05] <Kubius> never thought to google it using overscan as a term
[22:05] <Kubius> and nefarious don't get smug
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[22:05] <[SLB]> lol
[22:05] <[SLB]> you're welcome, i guess.
[22:06] * Nefarious___ is feeling smug
[22:06] <Nefarious___> oh sorry ;)
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[22:06] <[SLB]> eheh
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[22:30] <CeilingKitten> hurray =D my colocated pi has been put online finally *happy dance*
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[22:30] * IT_Sean still doesn't understand the appeal of a colo'd pi
[22:30] <CeilingKitten> now to think of something to do with it lol
[22:30] <CeilingKitten> IT_Sean, its free bandwidth and power and also its someone elses problem to keep it on?
[22:30] <CeilingKitten> also much faster speed than my home upload
[22:31] <IT_Sean> yeah but... now you can't tinker with the GPIO, which is a lot of fun!
[22:31] <CeilingKitten> O.o im a derp i cant tinker muhc, besides i have other pis for that
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[22:32] <CeilingKitten> also IT_Sean i got an udoo now too :o
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[22:32] <CeilingKitten> its got lots of tinkerability
[22:32] <IT_Sean> what's a udoo?
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[22:33] <sney> you do?
[22:33] <ozzzy> yet another mini-computer/arduino symbiant
[22:33] <sney> remind me of the babe
[22:33] <CeilingKitten> it's a quadcore machine a bit bigger than a pi with arduino onboard and a second computer on the same board
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[22:33] <CeilingKitten> or a second cpu i guess with its own serial ports and arduino stuff
[22:33] <CeilingKitten> pretty neat quadcore, sata,
[22:34] <Nefarious___> I'm still waiting for a board that is quad core with 2< GB ram
[22:34] <Nefarious___> they should expand on this stuff
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[22:35] <CeilingKitten> Nefarious___, what about Exynos X2, or wandaboard i think they are 2gb
[22:35] <CeilingKitten> and CuBox is coming soon :o
[22:35] <CeilingKitten> thats gonna have 2gb, quadcore, and esata >.> 2x2x2 inches
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[22:39] <CeilingKitten> sorry i meant *Wandboard
[22:40] <Nefarious___> Same difference :P
[22:41] <hosler> i wish pi had onboard ADC
[22:42] <zleap> hosler, this is why there is gpio so that can be plugged in for those that need one
[22:42] <zleap> maybe something like a beagle board has onboard ADC
[22:42] <hosler> i just got a 16bit ADC pi addon module for 30 bucks
[22:42] <hosler> i should have just setup my 3 dollar pic24
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[22:45] <hosler> but this addon has logic converters and i2c stuff built in
[22:45] <hosler> so it's cool
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[22:47] <ozzzy> I'd just connect an arduino to it.... 6 nice ADs there
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[22:47] <clever> ozzzy: kinda, its one ADC and a mux
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[22:51] <fengshaun> can I run apache on RPi or is it better to nginx or lighttpd (something lighter)
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[22:51] <fengshaun> for a small home server
[22:52] <[SLB]> i use lighttpd
[22:52] <CeilingKitten> fengshaun, they all work, depends what content you are serving,
[22:52] <piney> I use nginx, apache should do. depends on how it's set up and how heavy the usage is
[22:53] <fengshaun> CeilingKitten: just owncloud for contact/cal syncing and maybe some music
[22:53] <fengshaun> light usage, just me and maybe a few family members
[22:53] <[SLB]> lighttpd+php+mysql running wordpress seems not bad
[22:53] <fengshaun> cool, I thought apache was way overkill for my use
[22:53] <CeilingKitten> hmm =| if you use the owncloud (pi) script you can get an automated nginx install
[22:54] <fengshaun> pi has an owncloud script??
[22:54] <CeilingKitten> if you only care about contact and calendar there is tons of DAV servers
[22:54] <fengshaun> well, maybe music/files and document editing too
[22:54] <CeilingKitten> there was a gentleman who wrote ownpie or soemthing he runs retro blog rock or something and has a github
[22:54] <CeilingKitten> i can link it if you link
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[22:54] <fengshaun> I'll find it, thanks a lot!
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[22:55] <CeilingKitten> it automates the whole process of the install except when it asks for passwords and you just pull up the webui and create an admin account
[22:55] <CeilingKitten> I found owncloud a bit clunky myself =|
[22:55] <fengshaun> hmmm couldn't find it
[22:56] <CeilingKitten> I was looking at one of many other dav's to do contact/calendar hosting,
[22:56] <fengshaun> oh
[22:56] <CeilingKitten> http://blog.petrockblock.com/2012/08/15/your-own-cloud-server-with-owncloud-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[22:56] <fengshaun> thanks
[22:56] <CeilingKitten> BaikalDAV looked promising to mehttps://github.com/petrockblog/OwncloudPie
[22:57] <CeilingKitten> * https://github.com/petrockblog/OwncloudPie
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[22:59] <fengshaun> oh, that's for raspbian, but still useful
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[23:09] <fengshaun> ok, I just noticed only 2GB of my 8GB sdcard is available, can I make the sd use all 8GB?
[23:09] <ShorTie> raspi-config can fix ya up
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> sudo raspi-config
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> and select the expand option..
[23:11] <fengshaun> damn, arch doesn't have raspi-config? :(
[23:12] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[23:13] <CeilingKitten> i think raspi-config is standard in raspbian, maybe you can use the arch pac tool to get a copy? or maybe there is a diff tool in arch
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[23:15] <fengshaun> no, gotta resize manually
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> is a guide I wrote waaaaayyyy back...
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> it's still relevant for the resize thing, but there are other ways to do it.
[23:19] <fengshaun> thanks
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[23:20] <fengshaun> I think I'm just gonna make a new partition and mount it on /data just because
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[23:20] <GGuyZ> Hi
[23:21] <GGuyZ> I'm using PiMame distro. When I try to open ADVMenu from the console, it loads and then hangs on the first frame. If I try to run it through X, then it works just fine.
[23:22] <GGuyZ> Any idea? I assume this has something to do with SDL/framebuffer used
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[23:29] <LuisLeite> Vialas, one more night on service :>
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[23:43] <TheWarden> Hi, I'm having my son use the Raspberry Pi Educational Manual and it states to go into the Python Shell and import pygame. However it comes back with ImportError no module named pygame
[23:43] <TheWarden> However I tried doing apt-get install python-pygame and it stated it was already installed.
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[23:43] <TheWarden> Not sure what else to do here.
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[23:45] <fengshaun> awesome, 8GB /root
[23:45] <fengshaun> /*
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[23:47] <pksato> TheWarden: you call you program as pygame.py ?
[23:47] <pksato> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11949200/pygame-importerror-no-module-named-locals-raspberry-pi
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[23:53] <TheWarden> pksato: no I just typed import pygame
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[23:56] <TheWarden> ahh I just opened up IDLE instead of IDLE 3 and the problem was solved. Thanks pksato
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