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IRC Log for 2013-11-13

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[0:20] <ponA> hi, i had some issues with missing log files lately, now i have to figure out which ones are missing. i managed to get a list of all the files that sould be there, the list is a simple text file containing "filename.txt subfolder" which means the file should be stored in /subfolder/filename.txt. there is a new line for every file.
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[0:23] <ponA> how can i go through each line of the text file? i tried "for line in $(cat files.txt) do echo $line done" but that gave me a " Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting "do")" error
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[0:30] <Triffid_Hunter> ponA: need a semicolon before do
[0:30] <Triffid_Hunter> ponA: do any of the filenames have spaces?
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[0:31] <Triffid_Hunter> ponA: if so, you'll need to set IFS to newline only, like this: ( IFS=$'\n'; for L in $(<line); do echo $L; done; )
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[0:31] <Triffid_Hunter> ponA: sorry, taht should be $(<files.txt)
[0:31] <ponA> the filenames dont, but there is a space between filename and subfolder
[0:32] <ponA> i'll try that
[0:32] <Triffid_Hunter> ponA: that'll trip you up if you don't set IFS then
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[0:33] <Triffid_Hunter> ponA: alternatively, you could ( while read; do echo $REPLY; done; ) <files.txt
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[0:34] <ponA> okay, nice, that does the trick
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[0:36] <ponA> thx Triffid_Hunter!
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[0:36] <Triffid_Hunter> ponA: for checking for absence of file, you might try something like [ -r "$REPLY" ] || echo $REPLY;
[0:37] <Triffid_Hunter> welcome to shell scripting :)
[0:37] <ponA> what does that do?
[0:38] <Triffid_Hunter> ponA: man bash, search conditional expressions
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[0:38] <ponA> thx again :)
[0:40] <clever> and check #bash on this network
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[0:47] <gimpy2938> I have zero electronics experience and I'm trying to use the GPIO pins to respond to a button press. I have a button connected to BCM pin 23 and the ground next to it but RPi.GPIO in Python shows it going back and forth to 0 and 1 rather than staying at 0 while the button is not pressed as I would expect. Pin 23 to gound is correct, isn't it?
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[0:48] <hybr1d8> You need a 'pull up' resistor so that the input isn't floating
[0:48] <hybr1d8> Check out http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/buttons_and_switches/
[0:49] <hybr1d8> That explains the behaviour and how to fix
[0:49] <gimpy2938> ok
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[1:52] <plitter> i'm wondering about my download speeds, I get 4 MB max on regular wget download and 1.5 MB max on sftp. Both download methods max out at 11 MB on my stationary. The pi is connected with wire in the same way as the stationary and my bw is 100 Mbit down. What are the max speeds you get and does anyone know how to make my pi download faster?
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[1:53] <Triffid_Hunter> plitter: can't. the pi's ethernet is wired over usb on the board, and the cpu is not particularly fast so having to do encryption makes the transfer cpu bound
[1:54] <Triffid_Hunter> plitter: you'd need a totally different design for better network performance
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[1:57] <plitter> Triffid_Hunter: but what about the regular download? wouldn't that go faster? i was wondering if maybe my pi was faulty. do you know at what speeds you max out?
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[1:58] <Triffid_Hunter> plitter: well like I said, the ethernet is hooked over usb so there's a performance bottleneck between the two chips on the boar
[1:58] <Triffid_Hunter> plitter: 4MB is pretty good actually
[1:58] <Triffid_Hunter> on the board*
[1:59] <Triffid_Hunter> you'd need a fundamental redesign of the rpi, possibly a different SoC for decent network performance
[1:59] <chithead> maybe the download speed is limited by your sd card's speed
[1:59] <Triffid_Hunter> chithead: I was doing tests dumping to /dev/null, iowait went through the roof
[1:59] <plitter> well that was the max it was a bit unstable though
[1:59] <Triffid_Hunter> plitter: yeah usb throughput is overstated.. the biggest issue with it is latency
[1:59] <chithead> about sftp, see http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#OpenSSL
[2:00] <Triffid_Hunter> the usb device basically has to sit there and twiddle its thumbs until the host asks for data, and there are numerous turnarounds on the shared bus for each transfer
[2:00] <Triffid_Hunter> on an unrelated note, sshfs >>> sftp ;)
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[2:01] <chithead> and rsync > *, especially if you have many small files
[2:02] <Triffid_Hunter> chithead: rsync is useless if you don't need to keep the data, and don't have enough local storage to hold it even if you did
[2:03] <Triffid_Hunter> sshfs is network mount over regular ssh link via fuse, and I find it way more reliable than nfs
[2:04] <RiXtEr> I think I get like 9MBit using samba... I can't think it has less overhead than http
[2:04] <plitter> chithead: http://codepad.org/egcndmYg
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[2:06] <plitter> RiXtEr: could you confirm that?
[2:06] <RiXtEr> plitter: give me a min
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[2:07] <plitter> Triffid_Hunter: sshfs how fast does your transfers go on sshfs?
[2:08] <Triffid_Hunter> plitter: fast enough to stream 1080p movies over network
[2:08] <clever> i'm not sure, but i think sshfs is just using sftp internaly
[2:08] <clever> and then using fuse to claim its a normal filesystem
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[2:09] <plitter> Triffid_Hunter: at what bitrate?
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[2:09] <RiXtEr> plitter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6408322/
[2:09] <RiXtEr> I do all my samba to the external hdd...
[2:10] <clever> lets see, if i try to copy a large file over ethernet with scp, from a real computer, it goes at 11MB/s
[2:10] <RiXtEr> (the second test on that paste)
[2:10] <RiXtEr> clever: I figured sshfs was scp.
[2:10] <clever> RiXtEr: scp and sftp are nearly the same thing i think
[2:10] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: sure, something like that, or a parallel layer to sftp
[2:11] <RiXtEr> clever: hrm I was thing sftp had quite a bit less overhead, but I may be wrong.
[2:11] <clever> checking the sshd_config file, i only see sftp
[2:11] <clever> Subsystem sftp /usr/lib64/misc/sftp-server
[2:12] <clever> oh, i remember now, scp just runs 'scp' at the far end, to make things work
[2:12] <plitter> clever: could you test download to the raspberry pi?
[2:12] <plitter> oops
[2:13] <plitter> RiXtEr: could you test download to the raspberry pi?
[2:13] <clever> plitter: yeah the test is running now
[2:13] <clever> getting 1.7MB/sec thru scp
[2:13] <clever> over wifi, via usb
[2:14] <clever> still plenty fast to watch tv, its doing a 30 minute long file in 3 minutes
[2:14] <Triffid_Hunter> plitter: don't have my rpi in front of me, but I'm getting about 25MB/s with sshfs over my laptop's gigabit link, while wget pegs it at 111MB/s
[2:14] <Triffid_Hunter> so performance is not amazing
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[2:17] <clever> plitter: if i download the same file to /dev/null, it goes at 1.8MB/sec
[2:17] <clever> slightly faster with no sd card in the loop
[2:17] <clever> then it averages down to 1.6
[2:18] <plitter> clever: Triffid_Hunter: The video and audio starts lagging sometimes when i watch series with bitrate 10.9 Mbps
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[2:18] <plitter> over sshfs
[2:18] <clever> plitter: have you tried normal nfs?
[2:19] <plitter> no... wanted to try being safe :p
[2:19] <clever> your paying for that encryption with extra overhead
[2:19] <plitter> guessing that is the next step to check
[2:20] <RiXtEr> plitter, http will be your least overhead.
[2:20] <clever> plitter: let me see how fast things go over nfs+wifi
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[2:21] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah I've played over http a few times, works fine
[2:21] <plitter> Triffid_Hunter: you should check the bitrate of the files your playing
[2:22] <clever> pi@pi /media/videos/4tb/dcc $ pv Sleepy.Hollow.S01E07.HDTV.x264-LOL.mp4 -r > /dev/null
[2:22] <clever> [1.67MB/s]
[2:22] <Triffid_Hunter> plitter: mostly 1-2Mbits
[2:22] <clever> plitter: nfs over wifi gets the same speed as scp, probly because the wireless is the bottleneck this time
[2:23] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: wget -O /dev/null blah will get highest possible speed
[2:23] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: dont have an http server on that box yet
[2:23] <RiXtEr> plitter, http://picpaste.com/copy-1WPie5Z1.png sad to say it but looks like samba was faster than http.
[2:23] <clever> let me stick a large file on the http box
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[2:24] <RiXtEr> plitter, btw in that paste the first one is a copy from the pi to the computer and the second is from the computer to the pi.
[2:24] <plitter> clever: ahh k but the speeds you are reaching are not that far of my own
[2:24] <clever> plitter: i can maybe get more if i plug in an ethernet cable
[2:24] <clever> but somebody just put them all away in a box in the basement
[2:24] <clever> why must everything be cleaned up!
[2:25] <Triffid_Hunter> plitter: unfortunately I think the rpi is the wrong board for your videos.. not because the vpu can't handle them, but because the rpi is not designed for actually getting the data to the vpu efficiently and quickly
[2:25] <plitter> RiXtEr: envious of your speed...
[2:25] <clever> plitter: increasing the cache size may help
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[2:26] <plitter> clever: how do i do that?
[2:26] <clever> plitter: omxplayer?
[2:27] <RiXtEr> plitter, I am using the moebius distro, so the kernel may be helping my case just a bit.
[2:27] <plitter> yeah i tried that one but the audio stutters horribly and i don't know why
[2:28] <RiXtEr> Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #371 PREEMPT
[2:28] <clever> plitter: i just noticed, omxplayer doesnt have any options to buffer stuff
[2:28] <clever> (facepalm)
[2:28] <plitter> RiXtEr: i will look into it
[2:28] <RiXtEr> plitter, could be that my external usb drive is helping a bit too.
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[2:29] <plitter> clever: it does have some options http://codepad.org/xsURkV9i
[2:30] <plitter> clever: excerpt of options
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[2:30] <clever> plitter: i think those are gpu buffers, not the raw input file buffer
[2:30] <clever> mplayer is much more flexible, i could set it to cache 200mb worth, and it will fetch the whole damn file
[2:31] <clever> but that doesnt have gpu decode support yet
[2:31] <plitter> RiXtEr: Linux hostname 3.10.18-1-ARCH+ #1 PREEMPT Tue Nov 12 00:08:16 CST 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[2:31] <RiXtEr> Wow.
[2:31] <RiXtEr> is that Jesse or Wheezy?
[2:32] <plitter> clever: can you output audio through hdmi with mplayer?
[2:32] <plitter> RiXtEr: it is arch linux *thumbs up*
[2:32] <clever> plitter: i believe thats an option thru alsa
[2:32] <RiXtEr> Ah. :)
[2:32] <clever> any alsa program can output over hdmi if you hit the right switch
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[2:33] <plitter> i mean like omxplayer, with the passthrough option
[2:34] <clever> havent tried it
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[2:36] <plitter> clever: k i will look into it
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[4:59] <plitter> hehehehe just found something pretty nice. i connect to my server with sftp, download through the stationary to the raspberry pi with nfs at full speed 11MBps
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[5:02] <JMichaelX> he is just listed as an MD
[5:02] <JMichaelX> don't know his specialty
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[5:35] <Kubius> greetings, pi folk
[5:36] <Kubius> I have figured out my next project: fix minecraft pi edition's overscan issue
[5:36] <Kubius> this should keep me occupied for a while
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[5:39] <Kubius> helo
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[5:49] <Kubius> ok
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[5:49] <Kubius> first problem
[5:50] <Kubius> how do I edit class files on a pi
[5:51] <rikkib> You do not edit class files. You edit java source code.
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[5:54] <Kubius> alright
[5:54] <rikkib> And you do that in a text editor or IDE... I use eclipse but on a standard linux pc
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[5:54] <Kubius> I've not really done this before ever
[5:55] <Kubius> I'll probably fail but it'll be OK if I do because it
[5:55] <Kubius> is not something I was expecting to be able to do anyway
[5:55] <Kubius> and if I keep trying who knows I may even get it working
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[5:57] <rikkib> Your minecraft screen not behaving?
[5:58] <Kubius> yeah
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[5:58] <rikkib> and you have played with the overscan setting in config.txt?
[5:58] <Kubius> I am not disabling overscan.
[5:58] <rikkib> + and - nembers?
[5:58] <Kubius> If I disable overscan the left and right ends of my screen are gone
[5:58] <rikkib> numbers
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[5:59] <Kubius> weird
[6:00] <Kubius> I can't see a setting for overscan in config,txt
[6:00] <rikkib> check the wiki
[6:00] <Kubius> hm
[6:00] <Kubius> well
[6:00] <Kubius> my overscan works excellently
[6:01] <Kubius> gives me a small amount of buffer at the bottom of the screen so the bottom line in console mode isn't RIGHT at the bottom
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[6:03] <rikkib> overscan_left=20
[6:03] <rikkib> overscan_right=12
[6:03] <rikkib> overscan_top=10
[6:03] <rikkib> overscan_bottom=10
[6:03] <Kubius> it's a known bug
[6:03] <Kubius> and they say they'll fix it in the next update
[6:04] <Kubius> but I want to see if I can beat them to it
[6:04] <Kubius> probably not likely since I've never ever done java work before
[6:04] <rikkib> haha
[6:04] <rikkib> sorry
[6:04] <Kubius> what're you sorry for?
[6:05] <rikkib> I have done three years plus java programming and I would not even attempt to figure out how the program is organized
[6:06] <rikkib> never mind start to fix stuff
[6:06] <Kubius> viva mojang
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[6:07] <rikkib> javascript is the closest I come to java now days
[6:08] <Kubius> java is basically a zeppelin
[6:08] <Kubius> it's very nice sounding, is full of leaks, and blows up when you hit something
[6:09] <Kubius> what scripting language do you prefer?
[6:09] <Kubius> I've done lua because of computercraft but I'm coming to like python because it's roughly as simple as lua and slightly less pfutzy
[6:09] <rikkib> Eclipse seems to run pretty good but does crash out sometimes when confronted with a buggy KVM
[6:10] <Kubius> I'm using leafpad for now because it's included by default
[6:11] <rikkib> Skip the crud and go for C, C++, php and javascript
[6:11] <Kubius> why C
[6:11] <Kubius> assuming efficiency
[6:11] <rikkib> All real programs are written in C
[6:12] <Kubius> um
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[6:12] <rikkib> super dupper programs are platform independent
[6:12] <Kubius> oookay?
[6:12] <Kubius> I still don't get why to go straight to C
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[6:12] <rikkib> speed
[6:13] <Kubius> speed in programming or speed in execution thereof?
[6:13] <rikkib> all the rest are interpreted languages
[6:13] <rikkib> C compiled
[6:13] <Kubius> OH
[6:13] <Kubius> it
[6:13] <Kubius> yeah
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[6:13] <shawnbon206> yo
[6:13] <Kubius> compiling
[6:13] <Kubius> yeah
[6:13] <rikkib> java somewhere in between
[6:14] <shawnbon206> shiftplusone i ordered it
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[6:15] <rikkib> Did "it" do as it was told :)
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[6:17] <shawnbon206> amazon did
[6:18] <shawnbon206> i told it to send me a rpi and it did
[6:18] <shawnbon206> is*
[6:18] <shawnbon206> i am bored
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[6:18] <shawnbon206> someone help me figure out how to triple boot this imac
[6:19] <shawnbon206> please :)
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[7:01] <devslash> i connected my pi to my monitor via an hdmi cable but I am not getting any video output
[7:01] <devslash> i know that the monitor is fine
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[7:05] <Jusii> you can force hdmi on
[7:05] <Jusii> hdmi_force_hotplug=1 in config.txt
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[7:09] <devslash> I'm using arch linux
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[7:10] <Jusii> makes no difference?
[7:11] <devslash> where is config.txt located
[7:11] <Jusii> side by side with firmware files
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[7:11] <[Saint]> /boot
[7:11] <Jusii> don't have it, create one
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[7:12] <Jusii> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[7:12] <devslash> ok i changed it
[7:12] <[Saint]> Arch certainly _should_ have this file...
[7:12] <devslash> ahh perfect
[7:12] <[Saint]> Has this image evr been booted?
[7:12] <devslash> its working now thanks
[7:12] <devslash> yes but i usually connect to it via ssh
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[7:12] <devslash> its normally headless
[7:12] <nerdboy> it's a little bit tricky forcing a given analog mode, but mostly it works the way you think it should
[7:13] <devslash> thanks
[7:13] <[Saint]> Headless or not, that config file should be there.
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[7:13] <[Saint]> From the start, I mean. Unless there was a fairly recent change.
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[7:14] <[Saint]> I know this from having to poke it to get color output over VGA.
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[7:23] <nerdboy> the one raspbian doesn't have all the settings/comments
[7:24] <nerdboy> maybe it does if you never use the config tool
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[7:24] <nerdboy> i either edit it by hand or use one of the (few) build options
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[7:51] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
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[8:13] <phelps> so, I didn't read anything and used GPIO 15 as UART to send some serial stuff to a lcd backpack
[8:14] <phelps> the LCD runs on 5v logic
[8:14] <phelps> did I fudge that pin ? its not working anymmore
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[8:14] <phelps> pin 14 rather
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[8:21] <gordonDrogon> what LCD?
[8:21] <gordonDrogon> I've interfaces 4V LCDs to the Pi before.
[8:21] <gordonDrogon> er, 5v
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[8:22] <phelps> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/258
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[8:24] <phelps> I probably shouldn't have plugged it directly into the GPIO pins
[8:25] <gordonDrogon> you only need 5v, 0v and serial Tx.
[8:25] <gordonDrogon> shouldn't be an issue driving it from the Pi's 3.3v.
[8:26] <phelps> but i was running it from the 5v pin 2
[8:26] <phelps> think its something else ?
[8:26] <gordonDrogon> it needs 5v.
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[8:26] <gordonDrogon> so connecting it from pin 2 / 5v and pin 6 / 0v is the right thing to do.
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[8:27] <phelps> ok, so its not directly dangerous ? must be the lcd then
[8:27] <infosec> Hey all, was wondering if anyone is willing to help a newbie get SSH working on RPi with Raspbian? I'd appreciate it a lot
[8:27] <phelps> all sorts of garbage was sent to it on boot up so I'm guessing it sent it some command thats got it locked
[8:28] <gordonDrogon> phelps, unplug it and run the pinTest.sh program if you have wiringPi installed - that's a quick input test of the pins - you'll need to reboot it to get the serial port back after that though.
[8:28] <phelps> alright, will do
[8:28] <phelps> thanks
[8:28] <gordonDrogon> infosec, sshd should be running out of the box on the Pi
[8:28] <cybr1d> infosec: it's as simple and running 'sudo raspi-config' and enabling it via advanced settings.
[8:29] <cybr1d> as running*
[8:29] <infosec> cybr1d, yeah, I've tried doing everything, however on the computer, I keep on getting connection refused
[8:29] <infosec> (Connecting via Ethernet)
[8:30] <infosec> The ethernet cable (Straight-Through cable) is connecting from the RPi to the computer
[8:30] <infosec> and when connected, it comes up like this - http://i.imgur.com/THEfGia.png
[8:30] <infosec> Here are the details for the connection: http://i.imgur.com/CBsA4w9.png
[8:31] <infosec> I can ping the IPv4 address listed on that
[8:31] <gordonDrogon> if you can ping the Pi then the cable is OK.
[8:31] <cybr1d> I'd use the local IP 192.168.x.x
[8:31] <infosec> yeah pinging is working here
[8:32] <infosec> cybr1d, I can't find it, I've tried scanning all the IP ranges from 192.168.0.0 ==> 192.168.2.0
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[8:33] <cybr1d> hm
[8:35] <infosec> yeah cybr1d, really weird, I think it might just be that SSH isn't running
[8:35] <infosec> but I have no idea man
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[8:38] <infosec> Any possible troubleshooting I could do? Any help is aprreciated, I'm researching the same issue on the side, but not having much luck
[8:39] <cybr1d> yea, i'm not sure. Hang around, I'm sure the ops can help more.
[8:39] <infosec> No worries man, cheers!
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[8:40] <Ben64> what? why did you post a picture of windows network stuff
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[8:40] <infosec> It's got nothing personal to me man
[8:41] <Ben64> how does it relate to raspberry pi networking at all
[8:41] <infosec> I had assumed it was a fault in the ethernet cable
[8:42] <infosec> I was trying to provide as much detail as possible, and in the last image, I was merely showing the static IP assigned to the pi
[8:42] <Ben64> thats from windows
[8:42] <infosec> yeah...
[8:42] <Ben64> what you need to do is on the pi
[8:42] <infosec> cybr1d, then confirmed, that if I could ping it, the cable was fine
[8:42] <infosec> Yeah I agree
[8:42] <infosec> I'm just not sure what, yet
[8:42] <Ben64> so get off windows
[8:42] <Ben64> ifconfig
[8:42] <Ben64> for starters
[8:43] <infosec> I can't get onto the pi - I have no screen to attach it to
[8:43] <infosec> I could go downstairs to the TV and do it - taking my keyboard with me
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[8:50] <infosec> Okay, suppose I get a screen to load RPi on, what commands should I go through to troubleshoot?
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[8:50] <infosec> I'll do ifconfig first, and then what?
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[9:38] <azizLIGHTS> rpi is armhf right?
[9:38] <azizLIGHTS> or armel
[9:38] <azizLIGHTS> or somethign else
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[9:44] <cowboybebop> Hiya all. Just got the cutest computer in the world today :-)
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[9:45] <ShorTie> how nice
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[9:46] <cowboybebop> couple of hypotheticals: If I got a USB wifi adapter, is it possible to get it to auto connect to my network without a mouse/kb i.e. through config files
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[9:49] <shiftplusone> cowboybebop, yes, 'course.
[9:49] <ShorTie> sure, but your gonna atleast need an eithernet hooked up to configure it
[9:49] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, not entirely true, but that's the simplest method, yes.
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[9:49] <ShorTie> but it is best to have it pluged into a self powered usb hub
[9:49] <cowboybebop> yep, got the ethernet thing figured out. Just need to configure it. Right now I've plugged the rpi into the router
[9:50] <cowboybebop> I can ssh. It feels marvellous
[9:50] <ShorTie> then all you need to do is nano up /etc/network/interfaces and add your junk
[9:51] <cowboybebop> lovely. The wifi adapter is yet to arrive but when it does I am certain I'll find it in the docs
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[9:51] <cowboybebop> it was weird, rasbian didn't have ssh enabled by default :S
[9:52] <cowboybebop> had to borrow a tv and what not
[9:52] <ShorTie> where did you get your image from ??
[9:52] <ShorTie> it normally is
[9:53] <cowboybebop> you know what, it was probably because I was connecting the ethernet directly to my computer and not the router (and hence the rpi not getting a dhcp ip address)
[9:53] <ShorTie> so shiftplusone did you pass ??
[9:53] <cowboybebop> got it from the official website (hope it wasn't litecoin malware haha)
[9:53] <ShorTie> yup, that would explain it
[9:53] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, yeah, easily (thanks) =)
[9:54] <ShorTie> congrads
[9:54] <shiftplusone> =)
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[9:54] <cowboybebop> so to connect it directly to my computer's ethernet, I would have to either enable internet sharing on windows OR modify startup in rpi to assign a static ip that the computer can see. Also, nicely done shiftplusone even though I don't know what it was for
[9:55] <shiftplusone> heh
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[9:56] <ShorTie> you would need to enable internet connection sharing
[9:56] <Jck_True> cowboybebop: Or run a DHCP server on your computer
[9:57] <cowboybebop> I can't follow this? http://pihw.wordpress.com/guides/direct-network-connection/
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[9:58] <Jck_True> cowboybebop: That one looks okay too :)
[9:58] <cowboybebop> yay
[9:58] <cowboybebop> I think that one forces the rpi to have a static ip
[9:58] <cowboybebop> so the computer can always see it, without internet sharing
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[10:00] <ShorTie> well, actually that is backwards
[10:00] <ShorTie> it would be the rPi seeing the laptop or any other nic
[10:01] <Jck_True> The most anoying part is if you want the Pi to access the internet through your laptop
[10:01] <cowboybebop> can't I just use internet sharing for that?
[10:01] <Jck_True> You can
[10:02] <cowboybebop> oooh but are you saying there's a way to share internet without that?
[10:02] <Jck_True> (But maybe it's just me - Always feel like random hit and miss if you get the Gateway/DNS/Subnets etc correct)
[10:02] <ShorTie> but you need 2 nic's in the laptop
[10:02] <ShorTie> wifi and regular nic would work
[10:02] <cowboybebop> yeah, my desktop connects through internet via wifi
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[10:03] <ShorTie> then setup internet connection sharing so it will pass it onto the rPi
[10:04] <cowboybebop> yep, so none of that config file thing then. Just turn internet sharing on and it should detect the pi auto once you plug it into the ethernet port
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[10:05] <cowboybebop> Jck_True_, was that your random hit and miss rpi connection kicking you out :B ?
[10:05] <Jck_True_> cowboybebop: It's my IRC backlog filling the SD card :|
[10:06] <ShorTie> ya, all your configuring would be done on the pc
[10:06] <cowboybebop> by the way, how is everyone's day?
[10:06] <cowboybebop> we know shiftplusone's went well hopefully with the exam pass :-)
[10:07] <ShorTie> still breathing if that is a good sign
[10:07] <shiftplusone> breathing is always a plus
[10:07] <Jck_True_> I'm yawning more than breathing....
[10:08] <cowboybebop> yawning is breathing * 2
[10:08] <Jck_True_> My boss is running an evening class on software construction - And I assist on the C# programming part (While he does the OO Design parts)
[10:08] <ShorTie> yawning is just trying to oxygen inrich the brian
[10:09] <shiftplusone> Isn't there a theory that yawning is also a way to cool down the brain?
[10:09] <Jck_True_> Reading the book I can't help but think some people use too much time thinking about programming than actually doing real life programming :|
[10:09] <cowboybebop> I thought the theory was boredom
[10:09] <Jck_True_> Animals yawns too
[10:10] <cowboybebop> I wonder if animal yawns are contagious?
[10:10] <shiftplusone> yes
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[10:11] <ShorTie> lol, any yawn is contagious
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[10:14] <cowboybebop> yay, vnc done!
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[10:18] <cowboybebop> any good openbox themes?
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[10:32] <cybr1d> Can someone help me? I found this http://bit.ly/19jozZO but I'm not familiar with python at all...
[10:32] <cybr1d> I'd like to edit it so the button press requires a two second hold instead of immediately reacting. I'm told I should start a timer on press that ends on release, but I have no idea how to do that.
[10:32] <cybr1d> Tried googling, but it's kinda specific to search.
[10:33] <rymate1234> Could I connect my raspberry pi up to my desktop via Ethernet and use it to wake my computer remotely using wake on LAN?
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[10:34] <Coffe> yes. the rpi can send that magic package
[10:34] <rymate1234> k thanks
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[10:34] <rymate1234> now I just gotta figure out a way to make my computer go to sleep
[10:34] <rymate1234> xD
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[10:38] <rymate1234> It kinda sleeps, then immediately wakes up
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[10:46] <AlanBell> morning all, I am trying to squeeze a bit more performance out of a pihut wifi dongle, it says it is 802.11 but I am getting nowhere near the throughput that I was expecting
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[10:49] <rymate1234> AlanBell: what speeds should you be getting / what are you getting
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[10:50] <ShorTie> what type of 802.11 network are you connecting to ??
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[11:02] <wathek> Hi everybody
[11:02] <DJJeff> has anyone got tcpdump working on raspberry pi?
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[11:02] <wathek> my raspberrypi overclocked to 900Mhz got a temprature of 31.5�C is that cool ?
[11:02] <rymate1234> that's cooler than my desktop
[11:03] <wathek> should I overclock it to 1Ghz ?
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[11:03] <ShorTie> rPi's are good to like 85c
[11:04] <DJJeff> how come rPi does not have a BIOS that allows to boot it over PXE
[11:04] <shiftplusone> pxe is an x86 thing, isn't it?
[11:04] <DJJeff> only allowing the rPi to boot from SDCARD :(
[11:04] <DJJeff> BIOS = x86 / PXE = BIOS
[11:04] <shiftplusone> false
[11:05] <DJJeff> I can take my boot my x86 laptop which has a BIOS over PXE
[11:05] <shiftplusone> however, you can use uboot to boot from tftp
[11:05] <ShorTie> berryboot will let you boot to other things
[11:06] <DJJeff> still needs uboot on a SDCARD to boot the rPi ?
[11:06] <shiftplusone> Again, PXE is x86 only... it's not a thing you can have on arm, but there are alternatives.
[11:06] <shiftplusone> yeah, you will always need an sdcard
[11:06] <ShorTie> but you can't get away from the firmware on the sdcard
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[11:06] <shiftplusone> there a tiny bootrom on the chip, which isn't enough to do much, so it just initializes the sd card and loads everything from there.
[11:06] <DJJeff> was PXE booting ever considered for the rPi ?
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[11:07] <shiftplusone> no... because it's impossible... on any ARM.
[11:07] <clever> would need an external flash chip wouldnt it?
[11:07] <clever> sd or normal nand flash
[11:07] <clever> same as any x86 bios, which is stored on flash
[11:08] <wathek> overclocked to 1Ghz and its temprature is 33.6�C
[11:08] <DJJeff> is there an easy way to add nand flash to rPi ?
[11:08] <shiftplusone> not in order to boot off it
[11:08] <clever> wathek: under full load, or just idle?
[11:09] <wathek> clever, idle
[11:09] <clever> DJJeff: you would need the full datasheets
[11:09] <clever> wathek: it will likely be much higher under load at 1ghz
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[11:09] <DJJeff> clever: thanks
[11:09] <shiftplusone> You can't change the bootrom, so the sd card thing is hard-coded in.
[11:09] <wathek> clever, how can I get it to full load just to check ?
[11:10] <clever> wathek: maybe something like md5sum /dev/urandom
[11:10] <shiftplusone> wathek, gzipping /dev/random into null also works
[11:10] <wathek> ok
[11:10] <wathek> let's try
[11:10] <DJJeff> if say rPi REV C had nand flash that supported booting from LAN?
[11:11] <DJJeff> is that idea too expensive?
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[11:11] <pksato> DDave: yes. +$10 or more.
[11:11] <shiftplusone> Probably not too expensive, but there's no benefit to 99% of users, so it's not worth it.
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[11:12] <shiftplusone> and there are alternative boards you can use for such things
[11:12] <rymate1234> DJJeff: what's wrong with an sd card anyway
[11:13] <ShorTie> they do get corrupted
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[11:13] <clever> ShorTie: set the read only register
[11:13] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, hopefully that's not going to be an issue anymore.
[11:13] <DJJeff> SDCARD is fine but I am working on a project that needs read only memory
[11:13] <ShorTie> most of time from power issues
[11:13] <clever> ShorTie: you can mark it as read only for ever
[11:13] <clever> then it can never be modified
[11:13] <AlanBell> rymate1234: using iperf I am getting 15.5 Mbits/sec to another computer on the same wireless N supporting router
[11:14] <ShorTie> shiftplusone, time will tell on that one
[11:14] <clever> ShorTie: http://hackaday.com/2013/11/12/keep-your-sd-cards-data-safe-with-the-sd-locker/
[11:14] <rymate1234> AlanBell: might be the slow USB connection
[11:14] <AlanBell> I managed to get it closer to 20 Mbits/sec connecting to a wired machine, and 74Mbits/sec from a wired pi to a wired pi
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[11:14] <DJJeff> so if someone messes up their config they can press a button that will copy over from nand to SDCARD
[11:14] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, I doubt it will help with power loss cases, but yeah, we'll see what it does for the cases of random corruption.
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[11:14] <clever> DJJeff: thats what the current recovery kernel img is for
[11:15] <AlanBell> rymate1234: yeah, I am just trying to isolate it to the dongle, the router, the usb connection or the driver :)
[11:15] <clever> shiftplusone: have you heard of the lock registers in the sd card?
[11:15] <rymate1234> probably the dongle being slow over pi USB
[11:15] <shiftplusone> clever, no sir
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[11:16] <clever> shiftplusone: there are registers in the die to make it temp read-only, perm read-only, and to password protect it
[11:16] <clever> using one of those, you could prevent any corruption
[11:16] <shiftplusone> are they accessible without jtag?
[11:16] <clever> its on the sd card, not the arm core
[11:17] <ShorTie> there is also a little switch on the side too...
[11:17] <shiftplusone> yeah I mean the jtag connections on the sd cards (might not be jtag, but something similar)
[11:17] <clever> ShorTie: the switch does almost nothing, its up to the host (the rpi) to obey
[11:17] <clever> shiftplusone: its the same bus you transfer data over
[11:17] <ShorTie> oh, well thats a waste of plastic, lol.
[11:17] <clever> shiftplusone: the rpi may have direct software access to it, havent checked
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[11:18] <clever> ShorTie: the switch just hits a switch in the socket
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[11:18] <clever> and the host is free to ignore it
[11:18] <shiftplusone> clever, I haven't stumbled across anything like that when getting fatfs to work on an stm32 board =/
[11:18] <clever> shiftplusone: http://hackaday.com/2013/11/12/keep-your-sd-cards-data-safe-with-the-sd-locker/
[11:19] <shiftplusone> ah... helps to read the article, I suppose.
[11:19] <clever> yep
[11:20] <shiftplusone> simple enough
[11:21] <clever> i suspect that linux on the rpi has access to that bus
[11:21] <clever> so it might be as simple as a small program on the pi
[11:21] <pksato> nand flash chip and sd card is a at end same thing. both can be damaged. But SD is easy to replace.
[11:21] <clever> which has the potential to pretty much brikc your sd card, read only forever
[11:21] <shiftplusone> might be interesting to make a read-only card with a minimal raspbian install and then overlay the rest over usb.
[11:21] <clever> pksato: yeah
[11:21] <clever> shiftplusone: or a u-boot bootstrap, thats purely usb or ethernet based
[11:22] <shiftplusone> ah, that too
[11:22] <shiftplusone> since my approach would mean the kernel can't be updated, which would be silly.
[11:23] <ShorTie> the password protect might be interesting to use
[11:23] <clever> ShorTie: but then the gpu cant load the firmware :(
[11:23] <clever> would need to upgrade the boot rom to be able to send a pw, and where is it stored?
[11:24] <shiftplusone> Last time I heard, the consensus on the pi internals channel was that the boot rom cannot be changed
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[11:24] <ShorTie> ya, that does complicate things
[11:24] <shiftplusone> or at least they didn't know how it might be done at that time.
[11:24] <clever> shiftplusone: i suspect its the same as the xbox boot roms
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[11:25] <clever> either respin the bare die, or change the image they are flashing at the factory
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[11:25] <clever> and then there is a compatibility problem between old and new pis
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> it might be interesting to look at the Roku boot sequence - as the early ones used the same SoC IIRC..
[11:25] <clever> just guessing, they just have a nand flash that the boot rom loads firmware from
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> if it looks for a bootloader.bin then it's likely "set in stone", but if not, then it just might be a bit of specially locked flash...
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[11:26] <clever> in theory, the SoC can use its serial# as part of a key to encrypt the external nand flash, the same way the ps3 and xbox does
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> which might be unlockable - however it might also be programmable via the jtag only...
[11:27] <shiftplusone> I don't get the impression that they went out of their way to lock things down.
[11:28] <shiftplusone> at least they don't seem to have any active protection against RE, they just trust that the chip is too complicated for people to figure out before the next version is released.
[11:29] <clever> yeah, thats what ive seen
[11:29] <clever> they arent encrypting the firmware images any
[11:30] <clever> Serial : 0000000055a4377c
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[11:30] <clever> but they could have easily used either the serial# or just a keypair to sign all firmwares
[11:31] <shiftplusone> That functionality does exist on the chip
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> you don't know if there is something else inside that only the GPU can see though.
[11:31] <clever> gordonDrogon: that too
[11:31] <clever> there might be another register, which holds a ultra secure key
[11:31] <clever> which is tied to the serial# at the factory and kept in a database
[11:31] <clever> the h264 keys might even be using that
[11:32] <shiftplusone> The locations the GPU accesses can be traced, so that sort of thing would probably be easy to find.
[11:33] <shiftplusone> Though I wouldn't want to go trying to crack the codec keys though
[11:33] <shiftplusone> minus one redundant 'though'
[11:33] <clever> dont poke the bear
[11:35] <[Saint]> If you had a large enough sample of serials and keys, it might be possible to reverse the algo used to generate the keys.
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[11:36] <clever> [Saint]: yeah, but you would need people to donate their info
[11:36] <clever> which reminds me, i havent restored the old key on my new sd image
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[11:41] <shiftplusone> grr
[11:41] * shiftplusone hates antivirus software picking up all keygens as 'malware'
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[11:41] <clever> lets see how far i can get with mplayer on the pi today
[11:41] <[Saint]> Its a reasonable assumption to make.
[11:42] <clever> and its hard to verify a keygen is truely safe
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[11:42] <[Saint]> Easier to flag them all.
[11:42] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[11:42] <shiftplusone> why is it hard to verify a keygen is safe?
[11:42] <clever> would need to reverse engigineer what its doing
[11:43] <[Saint]> No guarantee it can't reassemble itself dynamically.
[11:43] <[Saint]> but...that's true for a LOT of things.
[11:45] <clever> and keygens arent exactly as legal as a game, so the AV company has little reason to go thru that effort
[11:45] <shiftplusone> From what I've seen, most of the malicious cracks and keygens come from dodgy side (not popular torrent sites) and were modified after the initial release with commonly used tools rather than written specifically as malware from the start.
[11:45] <clever> there are of course some programs that have a trojan from the original author, i can think of atleast 2
[11:46] <clever> one virus control app for backdooring systems, the remote was itself also a backdoor
[11:46] <clever> so the attacker also becomes a victim :P
[11:46] <shiftplusone> nice
[11:47] * shiftplusone is reminded of his shameful script kiddie days and sub7
[11:47] <clever> it was mostly just a toy, screenshots, pop open the cd tray, copy files, run programs
[11:47] <clever> i think it was sub7, or one of the related ones
[11:47] <clever> CONFIG_H264_RPI_HWACCEL = yes
[11:47] <clever> ok, the configure script has finaly enabled the module i'm adding
[11:48] <ShorTie> workin on friends pc, she had a root kit that would reboot on eithernet cable plugin, lol.
[11:48] <shiftplusone> argh.... fun.
[11:48] <clever> i'm often finding malware when trying to fix end-users wiht my app
[11:48] <clever> the latest guy, every time he rebooted the computer, my firefox extension would be goe
[11:49] <clever> in 30 seconds, i verified, rebooting has nothing to do with it
[11:49] <clever> close firefox, open firefox, its also gone!
[11:49] <clever> i also instantly noticed, hit home page wasnt right
[11:50] <cowboybebop> thanks for all the help folks. Off to bed
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[11:52] <shiftplusone> malware is strange nowadays.... hard to tell if windows is just being windows or if something is actually (more) wrong.
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> I did read something about some new malware being memory resident.
[11:53] <shiftplusone> actually, nvrm... that was more true back in the day than it is now.
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> but since my world is almost 100% Linux it's not something I pay much attention to.
[11:53] <clever> i only have 2 windows systems, one runs services i wrote in mirc script, before i knew better
[11:53] <clever> the other runs world of warcraft
[11:53] <shiftplusone> heh
[11:53] <clever> everything else is linux
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> I can boot my laptop into XP should I feel the need.
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> which I have to for just one application right now - to run a cisco vpn client to get to one system when all else fails.
[11:54] <clever> ive got openvpn setup
[11:55] <BCMM> shiftplusone: strange world when *Microsoft* is trying to sneak browser toolbars into free downloaded applications :)
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> I normally use openvpn, but I have no control over the far end in this case.
[11:55] <clever> ah
[11:55] <shiftplusone> BCMM, heh, what do they do that with?
[11:55] <BCMM> shiftplusone: bing toolbar, in skype IIRC
[11:55] <BCMM> (skype is owned by MS now)
[11:56] <ShorTie> sure it's mickeysoft and not the nsa, lol.
[11:56] <clever> http://malwaretips.com/blogs/remove-privitize-vpn-virus/
[11:56] <clever> this is what the guy had that was breaking my extension
[11:56] <shiftplusone> ah, well that's a given
[11:56] <BCMM> and that includes a toolbar for firefox...
[11:57] <clever> also, i'm now getting voicemail emails on one of my accounts
[11:57] <clever> inside the attached zip, is an exe
[11:57] <clever> something aint right....
[11:58] <clever> and its only 21kb!
[11:58] <shiftplusone> awesome compression is what that is.
[11:58] <ShorTie> thats a bad size file
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[11:58] <clever> -rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 9.3K Nov 13 06:57 MSG00084.zip
[11:58] <clever> -rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 21K Nov 12 19:39 MSG00088.exe
[11:59] <clever> clearly not a voicemail
[11:59] <shiftplusone> won't know for sure until you run it
[11:59] <clever> Date Time Attr Size Compressed Name
[11:59] <clever> 2004-04-02 02:38:47 ..... 1192 1536 .text
[12:00] <clever> look how old the dates in the PE header are!
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[12:02] <clever> shiftplusone: any clue what this does? http://privatepaste.com/826556a470
[12:02] <clever> a quick google turns up things like 'how to force my .net app to run as admin'
[12:03] <clever> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/6ad1fshk.aspx
[12:03] <shiftplusone> Yeah, windows uses an xml file nowadays to specify what permissions to ask for, for file metadata and to specify the resources file and whatever else... I think.
[12:04] <clever> asInvoker , requesting no additional permissions. This level requires no additional trust prompts.
[12:04] <clever> looks like its not declaring anything, so why bother declaring, lol
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[12:04] * shiftplusone shrugs
[12:04] <clever> maybe this is some new junk in windows, to make installing crap easy
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[12:05] <clever> so the virus can install itself without a full installer, yay!
[12:05] <shiftplusone> You think it's something that installs itself rather than something that downloads a larger payload?
[12:05] <clever> i didnt see any url in it
[12:06] <clever> let me pastebin the imports
[12:06] <clever> shiftplusone: http://privatepaste.com/fe1d8fb635
[12:06] <shiftplusone> hm
[12:07] <Draylor> well thats about as uninformative as it gets
[12:07] <clever> the rest is just raw x86 code
[12:07] <shiftplusone> Well... you've spent that much effort on it... might as well fire up IDA and figure out everything it does. >.>
[12:07] <clever> https://malwr.com/analysis/MGZlZjM5NjczMDdhNDdhZjk4ODBmZDQ5MDQ5ZTlhODQ/
[12:08] <clever> heh, google the md5 and you find this
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[12:08] <shiftplusone> ah, so you were right then
[12:08] <clever> says that it makes some http servers, and does http requests
[12:08] <clever> and installs itself as a windows service
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[12:17] <shiftplusone> Hm, anyone happen to know if keygens are legal in the western world?
[12:19] <ShorTie> normally not i believe
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[12:20] <shiftplusone> hm =/
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[12:24] <shiftplusone> can't find any answers that aren't conjecture based on "hacking=criminal".
[12:25] <clever> i think that its a bit different if the company selling the product has gone tits up
[12:25] <clever> then you simply cant buy it anymore
[12:25] <ShorTie> since keygens are most likely for an illegal activity, it would not surprize me that the us gov has some kind of secret order to the av companies to disable them
[12:26] <ShorTie> i say that because it seems like all of a sudden the started to screw them up
[12:27] <clever> i would just run them inside a vm with no av anyways
[12:27] <ShorTie> now that was years ago it started, but still
[12:27] <shiftplusone> I am not talking about using them though... wondering if they are illegal in an of themselves... if so, on what level? to produce? to distribute? to promote?
[12:27] <ShorTie> i'd say all 3
[12:27] <clever> shiftplusone: drm bypassing i think
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[12:28] <shiftplusone> that's a US law, isn't it?
[12:28] <clever> i think so
[12:29] <clever> but i'm canadian :P
[12:29] <shiftplusone> but I suppose the rest of western countries have some equivalent legislature.
[12:29] <ShorTie> that does not stop the us from going after peeps outside of the us
[12:30] <shiftplusone> and hell, if they can shut down file sharing sites just because they provide the ability to host metadata about files, I am sure keygens aren't even a gray area.
[12:30] <ShorTie> the elites think they rule the world
[12:30] <clever> i recently heard, that companies like ford, are going after anybody trying to document the can bus and odb-2 port
[12:30] <clever> and throwing munitions export law suits against them
[12:31] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: There's no answer for this that holds true in all locales.
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[12:32] <[Saint]> clever: they are, yes. But its *really* silly...
[12:33] <[Saint]> They just had to throw in the word "terrorism", though.
[12:33] <clever> [Saint]: yeah, its just crazy
[12:33] <[Saint]> Its stupid. Don't lock your protocol down? Expect it to be reversed...
[12:33] <[Saint]> "we left it open because of latency issues"...pfffft!
[12:33] <[Saint]> Make it better then, dummies. Jeez.
[12:33] <clever> and then charge anybody who attempts to reverse it with the same crime as somebody selling bullets
[12:34] <[Saint]> Terrorists are going to spam canbusses and crash taxis into the stumps of the WTC buildings.
[12:34] <[Saint]> ...and then, over a kilometer away, another building will fall down for no reason too.
[12:35] <clever> that only works if you can connect to the can bus :P
[12:35] <clever> i have heard, that you could in theory do it with an after market radio
[12:35] <[Saint]> "no reason"
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[12:35] <clever> rubber?
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[12:35] <[Saint]> I'm gonna get all ranty and conspiracist soon if I don't...
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[12:36] <clever> in theory, an after market radio hooked to the can bus could hijack the engine control module
[12:36] <clever> and slam on the brakes once you hit 100km/hour
[12:36] <clever> then erase its own firmware before your car finishes rolling over
[12:36] <clever> leaving no trace as to why
[12:37] <[Saint]> applying a RSG to common ground is enough to make most of them have a spaz and do "funny things (TM)"
[12:37] <[Saint]> (random signal generator, in case I get asked)
[12:37] <clever> was trying to :P
[12:37] <clever> but that wouldnt be enough to force a certain type of accident, at a target speed
[12:38] <[Saint]> It /might/ be.
[12:38] <[Saint]> Just not reliably.
[12:40] <[Saint]> I just love the automotive industries response to this: "Its not *our* fault, we left it insecure deliberate, for you - the user, anyone abusing this for good or for bad is a dirty terrorist hacker. Commence the witch hunt, first one to a head-count of 5 gets a free Prius"
[12:41] <[Saint]> "...fix it, but...why? Its the dirty hackers fault, fix them instead"
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[12:41] <ShorTie> they have had it on tv how peeps can take total control over your car with a laptop
[12:41] <[Saint]> ShorTie: same exploit, yes.
[12:41] <[Saint]> Watching the right channels its been around for about 3 years.
[12:41] <clever> ShorTie: but they need to be inside the car to do it
[12:41] <clever> with the doors locked, it doesnt do much good
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[12:43] <ShorTie> with wifi built into most newer cars, i don't know i would say they had to be inside
[12:44] <ShorTie> they just are not gonna tell you that 1
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[12:44] <clever> thats the point where you would focus on your security
[12:44] <clever> or not even wire it in to the other systems
[12:45] <[Saint]> But then how would they push their terrible OTAs and map data?
[12:45] <ShorTie> my newest car is a 1987, so i don't worry about it, lol.
[12:46] <clever> ShorTie: thats the same year i was born it!
[12:46] <ShorTie> Cool
[12:46] <clever> in8
[12:46] * [Saint] missed out on getting the AE86 Corolla Levin... ;'(
[12:46] <clever> in*
[12:46] <clever> [Saint]: is it a 3g modem only, or does it also have wifi?
[12:46] <[Saint]> Ms [Saint] put the proverbial foot down - too expensive.
[12:46] <clever> 802.11b/g/n
[12:48] <bitnumus> hi, i tried to install libc6-2.15 but it broke half way through, now i cannot uninstall it, or reinstall or anything. apt-get -f install doesnt work and i'm out of ideas
[12:49] <[Saint]> "sudo apt-get install --reinstall lib<whatever>"?
[12:50] <bitnumus> i dont want to reinstall it, as i installed from .deb
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[12:51] <bitnumus> subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:52] <ShorTie> does it give any more reasons as to why it failed, that doesn't say much
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[14:23] <TheWarden> Hi, does anyone happen to know of a good education resource for kids in a format of lessons?
[14:24] <a7x> no
[14:24] <a7x> but you could explain yourself better, resource of what?
[14:25] <shiftplusone> TheWarden, specifically including a pi or something to introduce computing concepts in the form of games and such?
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[14:27] <Vostok> TheWarden: https://turtle-roy.herokuapp.com/
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[14:30] <shiftplusone> I've stumbled upon a book with activities for kids that introduce things like sorting algorithms, binary numbers and so on without actually involving computers. They were like quick demonstrations you could do in a classroom in the form of a game which seemed like a good idea for young kids.
[14:31] <shiftplusone> Clive on the forum seems to be in charge of the education aspect of the pi though, so if you drop him a line, he could probably get back to you with lots of resources.
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[14:38] <Jusii> stumbled upon fun sounding board game in kickstarter awhile ago http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/danshapiro/robot-turtles-the-board-game-for-little-programmer
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[14:42] <shiftplusone> too complicated for me >_<
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[16:42] <Nefarious___> 11 mocks down. 7 to go.
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[16:42] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
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[16:44] <Nefarious___> I had 4 French + 4 German papers :P
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[17:45] <ElMarrow> pisslord
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[17:48] <IT_Sean> ElMarrow: Please do familiarize yourself with #raspberrypi channel policy. The channel rules are linked to in the topic. Thank you.
[17:50] <ElMarrow> word?
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[18:09] <pisslord> PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[18:09] <pisslord> PISS COMING OUT OF MY ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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[18:10] <Demp> pathetic
[18:11] <Nefarious___> *family friendly channel*
[18:11] <pisslord> PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[18:11] <pisslord> PEE COMING OUT OF MY BUTT
[18:11] <taza> IT_Sean
[18:11] <Nefarious___> IT_Sean
[18:11] <Nefarious___> you beat me
[18:11] <Nefarious___> lol
[18:11] <pisslord> pg-rated, right?
[18:11] <Nefarious___> u
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[18:12] <ShorTie> play nice now boys
[18:12] <taza> ShorTie: Since when that has ever worked on an obvious, boring troll?
[18:12] <taza> Like seriously.
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[18:13] <Nefarious___> there should be auto kick
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[18:16] <Davespice> s'ok folks, we're going to ban mask him
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[18:17] <taza> Eh, I was just making sure one of you actually woke up
[18:19] <fengshaun> urinelord? Really? Out of all the cool names in the world?
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[18:43] <justaguy> So, i'm buying a pi soon, but one problem, I don't have a hdmi cable, is it possible to install raspbian without having any screen
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[18:43] <neocharles> use a composite video cable?
[18:44] <fengshaun> justaguy: you can ssh into rpi
[18:44] <ShorTie> don't even need a rPi to install raspbian really
[18:44] <fengshaun> I know archlinux has sshd enabled by default, but not sure about raspbian
[18:45] <fengshaun> I've heard it does
[18:45] <justaguy> ShorTie:
[18:45] <justaguy> i have a laptop with sd card reader, but how would you install raspbian then
[18:45] <justaguy> because pi = ARM
[18:45] <ShorTie> you install it by coping an image to a sdcard
[18:45] <fengshaun> justaguy: what OS are you running? dd the raspbian image into the sdcard
[18:46] <justaguy> laptop = x86_64
[18:46] <justaguy> justaguy: ubuntu
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[18:46] <fengshaun> there is win32diskimager if you're using windows
[18:46] <fengshaun> justaguy: ok, just use dd
[18:46] <justaguy> well i will come back when i have the pi :p
[18:46] <justaguy> thanks for the help!
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[18:47] <fengshaun> np
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[19:55] <cumana> hello
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[19:58] <cumana> where from can I get free fonts in format easy to use in the code for LCD? I need some static-size fonts, to put them in a structure
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> What LCD?
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> the normal ones with the hitachi controller only have space for 8 user-defined characters
[19:59] <cumana> no no, probably what I said wasn't precise... it's lcd 240x320 screen
[19:59] <l403> http://www.henningkarlsen.com/electronics/r_fonts.php
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> so a normal display on the composite video output?
[20:00] <cumana> normal display, yes, but I don't know what's composite video output :) I've just written functions like drawpixel(x,y) using gpio/spi communication
[20:01] <cumana> thank you l403, I'll check it
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[20:01] <l403> just google 8x8 font or something
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[20:02] <l403> or 6x8
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> ah right. Hm. good site that - I didn't find it when I was looking.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> I used the fonts in the Linux kernel source:
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> linux-source/drivers/video/console
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[20:04] <gordonDrogon> cumana, I've written code for a display like that on the SPI bus, but not had time to document it though.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> it's all in wiringPi though and there is an 8x8 font too.
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[20:05] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/128x64.jpg
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> Hm. April.. seems such a long time ago..
[20:07] <mervaka> yup :(
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[20:07] <mervaka> in april i was still at university..
[20:07] <cumana> great :) as for me, the most difficult part was to create correct initialization routine for screen :X manual was a bit garbled
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> I suspect your screen is a bit more complicated than mine.
[20:07] <cumana> in april I wasn't yet at university... ;)
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> April wasn't a good month for me.
[20:09] <cumana> why?
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> many reasons...
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[20:28] <ghoti> Howdy. Any piface users around? I'm hoping to write something that will be able to turn on and off lights running at 120V AC. Can the piface relays handle that? I can't find specs for them. Alternately, is there a pre-built solution, or should I have the pi-face control another set of external relays for the AC?
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> ghoti, I have Pifaces.
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> ghoti, yes, it will switch 120V AC.
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> however, I question your santiy of having mains that close to the Pi...
[20:31] <ghoti> Any idea what amperage is safe?
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> has it occured to you to actually look at the relays?
[20:31] <ghoti> Ya, that's kind of what I was thinking too. :) A couple of 12VDC relays would probably be a good investment, placed at least a few cm away from the pi. :)
[20:32] <ghoti> Look at the relays? What, in the PDFs?
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> on the Piface itself.
[20:32] <ghoti> The spec sheet has diagrams that I don't think include fine print...
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> they're rated 277V AC at 10A.
[20:32] <ghoti> Ah, well, that would require me to actually *have* one, and I havn't quite clicked "Buy" on the element14 web site yet...
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[20:33] <ghoti> Since I wasn't sure this was the best solution ... hence these questions. :)
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> I would not put anywhere near that through them, but that's what the relays are rated to.
[20:34] <ghoti> Right, and the wiring connected to the relays might not be quite rated for the same amount.
[20:34] <ghoti> I'd hate to use a line on a circuit board as a fuse.
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[20:34] <ghoti> I'll build something with external relays.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> things I've hard of people using them include switching automatic curtian motors (mains), and garage door openers.
[20:35] <ghoti> Do you happen to know if there's something other than the piface that can control more than 2 relays? I guess I could get up to 8 using 4 pifaces and a pirack, but a single board with multiple relays would be better if it exists.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> I've only ever used low voltage motors with mine.
[20:36] <clever> ghoti: i would use solid state relays
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> there are some sainsmart boards out there on ebay - but do check that they'll work on the Pi's 3.3v else you'll find yourself making an interface circuit with uln2308's which will costs as much!
[20:36] <clever> ghoti: things like this: http://www.futurlec.com/Pictures/Solid_State_Relay_300.jpg
[20:37] <clever> i havent tried, but i think you can switch this directly from a gpio port
[20:37] <clever> it takes ~3 volts in
[20:37] <ghoti> clever: ya, looks like SSR would be the way to go. Then I could actually power the relay from the piface, using the "outputs" as relay controls.
[20:38] <ghoti> Ooh, I've never connected anything of my own directly to the gpio port.
[20:38] <clever> you could maybe use the relays on the piface, or some transistor drivers on something custom
[20:38] <ghoti> I need to level up before those abilities become available.
[20:38] <clever> to drive a long cable to the SSR
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> do check the current input to the SSRs - they typically go into an opto isolator - don't excede 15mA per Pi pin.
[20:39] <clever> i would put the SSR near the device, and then run a mid voltage signal line from the SSR to the pi
[20:39] <clever> and what gordonDrogon said
[20:39] <pksato> relay is of to switch on/off few times per day. But if need more cycles, SSR is a choice. SSR or opto-coupler+triac.
[20:39] <pksato> of = ok
[20:40] <clever> i have played with using an SSR to switch ~12 amp loads
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[20:40] <clever> for testing, i just used a 9 volt battery on the input
[20:40] * ghoti googles triac
[20:41] <clever> the SSR was heating up noticiably
[20:41] <clever> but the wires leading to it, way more
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> don't built a triac circuit if you don't know what one already is.
[20:41] <clever> didnt use the right guage
[20:42] <pksato> why windows is so improdutive... more that 3h to do some updates. I wasted the day just to configure some things.
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[20:43] <ghoti> gordonDrogon: I'm okay with a soldering iron and I can convert a schematic to a board layout, I'm just ignorant of the underlying theory.
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[20:44] <ghoti> But ... ya, I see from descriptions how a triac would be used, but I wouldn't know how to design the circuit.
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> they've sort of fallen out of favour to - SSRs are so much easier, and you can get zero or random start SSRs too.
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[20:45] <ghoti> Though I would guess that the power requirements for a triac based solution would be much less than an SSD.
[20:45] <ghoti> er
[20:45] <ghoti> SSR
[20:45] * ghoti 's fingers have their own habits
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> should be the same - you'll want to opto-isolate the signal from the Pi into the triac first.
[20:46] <pksato> SSR for AC is a combination of opto-coupler and triac.
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> internally the SSRs will have a triac (probably)
[20:46] <ghoti> Oh, ok.
[20:46] <ghoti> so an SSR is just a big, simple IC. :)
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> sort of hybrid thing.
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> several ICs and components on a substrate.
[20:47] <clever> with the isolation voltage rated, and heatsink surface provided
[20:47] <pksato> need some background thery, search for moc2030
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> then covered in potting gloop.
[20:47] <clever> i'm driving a SSR directly from an AVR gpio pin
[20:48] <clever> which switches the ~36vac thermostat loops on/off
[20:48] <clever> "2013-11-13 15:48:00 bedroom temp: 20.50c(68.90f), kitchen: 21.31c(70.36f), living room: 21.06c(69.91f), outdoor: -1.12c(29.98f) VCC: over 4.5 volts portb: 00000000"
[20:48] <clever> so this program can keep any room over a target temp
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> even AVRs have current limits on their Pins ;-)
[20:48] <ghoti> so is the heat in the SSR generally caused by the internal LED spewing IR that leaks into the surrounding case?
[20:48] <pksato> http://www.learnabout-electronics.org/diodes_07.php
[20:48] <clever> ghoti: nope, there is about a 2 volt drop over the triac
[20:48] <ghoti> ah
[20:49] <clever> ghoti: 2 volts times 11 amps is 22 watts of power loss
[20:49] <clever> so 22 watts of heat being generated inside the ssr, in my use case
[20:50] <rigid> anyone playing with lots of LEDs? checkout http://niftyled.de
[20:50] <ghoti> clever, in fact, one of the things I want to do is make sure my cottage pipes don't freeze.
[20:50] <rigid> the project seeks contributons
[20:50] <clever> ghoti: i'm using a bunch of DS18B20's for my temp sensing
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> rigid, I currently have 48 LEDs connected to a Pi.
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> arranged as a grid of 4x4 RGB LEDs.
[20:51] <rigid> gordonDrogon: how, on the GPIO?
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> yes, on the gpio.
[20:51] <clever> gordonDrogon: 8 pins?
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> also 5 buttons.
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> all 17 pins..
[20:51] <rigid> gordonDrogon: multiplexed? or driver?
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lf2.jpg
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> multiplexed
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> why use hardware when I can use software ;-)
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lf.jpg is a (bad) photo of them all lit up.
[20:53] <rigid> gordonDrogon: you'd just need to write some code that receives a chain of brightness values and lights LEDs up accordingly. Then you can send video/pictures to the arrangement
[20:53] <clever> gordonDrogon: ive heard that you can improve that kind of thing, by hitting the whole scene with flood lights
[20:53] <rigid> plugin writing is easy
[20:53] <clever> so the automatic balance dims the whole image, but the bg is still evenly lit relative to the leds
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> well, sending a "picture" to a 4x4 grid might be somewhat creative ;-)
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> it's for some little games.
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> part of a bigger project I'm working on that will be published early next year.
[20:54] <rigid> ah... so with a niftyled plugin you could use any SDL application with the display
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> be somewhat challenging to get an 8x8 single character font letter on a 4x4 display ...
[20:55] <rigid> you could also easily form an 8x8 display without additional programming by combining 4 PIs :)
[20:55] <clever> ive seen examples i could use to make that 8x8 gpio display act as a framebuffer
[20:56] <clever> so you could run any framebuffer app against it
[20:56] <clever> including X, lol
[20:56] <wathek> my rpi is acting very strange
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> there are some framebuffer lcd drivers out there.
[20:56] <rigid> clever: that's nice but runs in kernel space... which is brave :)
[20:56] <pksato> http://www.creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2013/october/diy-gamer-kit
[20:57] <clever> rigid: yeah, but it wouldnt take much to just pipe the image back down to userspace
[20:57] <wathek> it's temperature is 33.6�C and I'm connecting to it through ssh and once it responds very fast and sometimes it's really slow veeeery slow
[20:57] <clever> rigid: could make a simple framebuffer loopback device
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/128x64.jpg <- could be used with a framefuffer driver - goes at about 120fps too. only 128x64 though, but the principle is the same for bigger/colour displays.
[20:57] <wathek> could that be caused by the SD card ?
[20:57] <rigid> clever: everything i've seen doesn't support pixelmapping. So you can't have arbitrary placement of LEDs
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[20:57] <clever> rigid: ?
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[20:58] <clever> gordonDrogon: nice
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[20:58] <rigid> clever: well, LED addresses don't necessarily match pixel "addresses"
[20:59] <clever> ah
[20:59] <rigid> clever: creating larger tiles from smaller tiles usually involves complex configuration. that's all handled transparently in niftyled
[21:00] <clever> yeah, that would complicate things
[21:00] <ghoti> clever: I've been trying to figure out how to do exactly what you're doing, I think. I've collected a bunch of 1-wire links, just haven't bought anything yet.
[21:00] <rigid> but also hardware development is way easier if you have a uniform system to preprocess your data.
[21:00] <clever> ghoti: start out with just 2 temp sensors and a pi, maybe add in an avr
[21:00] <rigid> basically you can have dumb hardware
[21:00] <clever> once you can read the values, you can easily add more sensors
[21:00] <clever> thats what ive made
[21:01] <clever> the AVR will poll all sensors on the network, and just report it to the pc as a string of temps
[21:01] <clever> the c++ program on a desktop (could easily be ported to a pi) then assigns a name to each
[21:01] <clever> and exports that to cacti for full graphing
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[21:01] <clever> cacti then exports this every 10 minutes: http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/temps_59.html
[21:02] <ghoti> that sounds perfect.
[21:02] <ghoti> I'd probably use munin, but otherwise ... ya. :)
[21:02] <clever> the avr is also hard coded to monitor the value of a single sensor id, and switch a gpio pin if it goes above or below a set limit
[21:03] <clever> unknown line "turning livingroom on"
[21:03] <clever> "2013-11-13 16:02:41 " "portb changed from 00000000 -> 00000010"
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[21:03] <clever> causing this to happen in the c++ debug output
[21:03] <clever> "2013-11-13 16:02:41 bedroom temp: 20.25c(68.45f), kitchen: 21.31c(70.36f), living room: 20.94c(69.69f), outdoor: -1.38c(29.52f) VCC: over 4.5 volts portb: 00000010"
[21:03] <clever> the livingroom went under 21.00, so the heat kicked in
[21:03] <clever> it will now remain on until it hits 21.50
[21:03] <clever> the avr handles the actual on/off stuff, can function without the desktop
[21:04] <clever> the desktop just does debug output and cacti interfacing
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[21:04] <clever> the desktop also allows a custom android app to control the avr, so i can turn the heat up/down from my kindle
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[21:09] <ghoti> Okay, I've spent the last 10 minutes reading about microcontrollers, and alas, I'm feeling more lost than I was 10 minutes ago.
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[21:09] <ghoti> I have no idea how I'd connect an AVR to either the r-pi or the 1-wire devices.
[21:09] <clever> ghoti: its basicaly the same thing as the rpi, but it doesnt run linux
[21:10] <clever> and it has less features
[21:10] <clever> both the avr and rpi have gpio you can turn on/off from software
[21:10] <clever> just turn it on for x ms, off for x ms, read the status after x ms
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[21:10] <clever> same for both devices
[21:10] <clever> but somebody did all the hard work for you on the rpi
[21:11] <clever> you can also find existing libraries for it on the avr
[21:11] <clever> ghoti: http://bildr.org/2011/07/ds18b20-arduino/
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[21:12] <ghoti> I've been hearing about arduinos but haven't read much about them yet...
[21:12] <clever> an arduinos is just an AVR on a fancy board, with a usb serial adapter connected to it
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[21:12] <ghoti> Ya, I picked up on that.
[21:13] <clever> i just think of it like training wheels on a bike
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[21:13] <ghoti> My own interest is more along the lines of making interesting software to control stuff -- I feel that starting from zero with hardware hacking isn't the best use of time.
[21:13] <clever> i just skipped that step and dove in head first :P
[21:13] <clever> you can also connect the ds18b20 directly to the rpi
[21:13] <clever> there are existing drivers for it
[21:14] <clever> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=54238&p=431812
[21:15] <ghoti> That looks like something I could do. :)
[21:15] <clever> only major reason to use an avr, would be the cost of replacements if you mess up
[21:16] <clever> a raw avr chip is about $8
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[21:16] <clever> and i have the one-wire bus running over the entire house, to every room
[21:16] <clever> if by chance one of those wires lands in a socket and hits 120vac, i'll just blow a $8 chip
[21:16] <clever> rather then a $35 rpi
[21:17] <clever> and the drive power
[21:17] <clever> 13 15:38:54 <@gordonDrogon> do check the current input to the SSRs - they typically go into an opto isolator - don't excede 15mA per Pi pin.
[21:17] <clever> AVR pins are good for 20mA, and can handle more without popping if you want to bend the rules
[21:18] <clever> and the avr is 5v capable, so a bit more power over the line
[21:18] <ghoti> But then I have to learn how to program the AVR, no?
[21:19] <clever> thats relatively simple
[21:19] <clever> atmel even has documents explaining exactly how to do it: http://www.atmel.ca/Images/doc2579.pdf
[21:19] <ghoti> Atmel is Canadian too? I didn't know that!
[21:19] <clever> thats new to me
[21:19] <clever> i never really noticed before
[21:20] <clever> www.atmel.ca. 7677 IN CNAME atmel.com.
[21:20] <ghoti> Hmm, no, I guess they just register domains in multiple countries.
[21:20] <clever> the .ca domain is just a shortcut back to the .com domain
[21:20] <clever> they are the exact same server
[21:20] <ghoti> Yup.
[21:22] <clever> do you know c ?
[21:22] <ghoti> I can program simple things badly in c...
[21:22] <clever> an avr just runs bare c code
[21:22] <clever> without any OS arround it
[21:23] <ghoti> er, compiled C code, or it's a C interpreter? :)
[21:23] <clever> compiled
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[21:23] <clever> avr-gcc compiles and assembles it into the avr instruction set
[21:24] <t_dot_zilla> i just read thatyou can disable loggin on pi to reduce writes to the SD... how is this done on raspbian
[21:24] <clever> then you either use a bootloader or a ISP programmer to flash the memory in the AVR
[21:24] <johnc-> are you a salesman for avrs? hehe
[21:24] <clever> johnc-: na, i just find the simple to use
[21:24] <clever> /etc/rc2.d/S01rsyslog /etc/rc3.d/S01rsyslog /etc/rc4.d/S01rsyslog /etc/rc5.d/S01rsyslog
[21:25] <ghoti> Huh. And ISP programmers are also pretty cheap. That seems like a good solution, if I can figure out how it all works.
[21:25] <clever> t_dot_zilla: i think you can stop logging by deleting these 4 files
[21:25] <t_dot_zilla> clever: those are symlinks
[21:25] <clever> yeah
[21:25] <clever> just delete the symlinks and it wont run rsyslog on startup
[21:25] <t_dot_zilla> wouldnt just disabling the syslog do the same thing w/ update-rc.d
[21:25] <t_dot_zilla> or use the unlink command?
[21:25] <ghoti> t_dot_zilla: by deleting the symlinks, you don't lose the underlying script that launches the logger, but you stop running it at boot.
[21:26] <clever> t_dot_zilla: update-rc.d is the program to manage those symlinks for you
[21:26] <t_dot_zilla> yes i understand symlinks
[21:26] <ghoti> t_dot_zilla: unlink is the system call that `rm` runs.
[21:26] <t_dot_zilla> no shit
[21:26] <t_dot_zilla> update-rc.d rsyslog disable
[21:26] <clever> t_dot_zilla: i wasnt sure if the pi had update-rc.d, but all that does is delete/create symlinks in those directories
[21:26] <t_dot_zilla> yes i know what update-rc.d does lol
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[21:27] <t_dot_zilla> that would be the proper method on a debian distro rather than deleting symlinks
[21:27] <clever> i think thats the only thing that logs heavily
[21:27] <clever> t_dot_zilla: does the filesystem have to be read/write?
[21:27] <t_dot_zilla> what do you mean?
[21:27] <ghoti> t_dot_zilla: another option, if you do want logs but don't want writes, would be to configure syslog to export logs to a remote server with more space.
[21:27] <clever> if you mount it read-only, then nothing can write to it
[21:27] <clever> so the wear just stops
[21:28] <t_dot_zilla> ghoti: yeah thats not a bad idea... or i could write to a real HD connected via USB
[21:28] <t_dot_zilla> can you run raspbian read-only?
[21:28] <clever> ghoti: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10524 this chip has the optiboot bootloader pre-loaded on it
[21:28] <t_dot_zilla> or any linux distro for that matter
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[21:28] <clever> ghoti: so you can program it without an ISP adapter, just a ttl level serial port
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[21:28] <ghoti> t_dot_zilla: I have my r-pi NFS-mounting home directories, too. Lots of ways to avoid writes.
[21:28] <t_dot_zilla> yup yup
[21:29] <ghoti> I don't know about raspbian, but I'm doing this with FreeBSD.
[21:29] <t_dot_zilla> on the PI?
[21:29] <ghoti> yes
[21:29] <clever> ghoti: in theory, you can hook the above AVR, a 16mhz crystal, and the rpi directly together, and program it thru your gpio header
[21:29] <clever> without any programming adapters
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[21:30] <ghoti> clever: I think if I have to go buy parts, I'd rather just buy something that lets me program things easily rather than buy parts to build something to program other parts. Too many parts!
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[21:30] <clever> ghoti: thats what the full arduino board is for
[21:30] <clever> it just works
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[21:30] <ghoti> Yes, I suppose there are ridiculous extremes...
[21:31] <clever> if you went that route, you can just follow this example directly. http://bildr.org/2011/07/ds18b20-arduino/
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[21:34] <johnc-> isnt arduino just a development board?
[21:36] <clever> johnc-: its just an avr, a usb serial adapter, and a standard layout for the pins, so you can stack more boards on it
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[21:37] <tz> I prefer the AVR by itself, personally
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[21:37] <clever> same
[21:37] <clever> i never bothered with the training wheels
[21:37] <clever> i just printed out the datasheet and read the whole thing :P
[21:37] <tz> pretty much
[21:38] <tz> I think I've got a tube of attiny45's lying around still, from a few years back
[21:38] <tz> been a while :(
[21:38] <clever> havent had a need to buy that many yet
[21:38] <tz> oh I didn't have a need for that many either ;)
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[21:39] <johnc-> I just work on my rpi collection, I love the versatility for multitasking
[21:39] <clever> i need to figure out where i left my rfid reader
[21:39] <clever> *** glibc detected *** ./mplayer: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x02157f20 ***
[21:39] <clever> and i need to figure out why this is happening
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> doing development right now on a Pi ...
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> I do AVR/Arduino development on a Pi now too.
[21:40] <clever> gordonDrogon: have you done anything with the omx api?
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> clever, no idea what omx is.
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[21:40] <johnc-> openmax
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> still none the wiser. will google.
[21:40] <johnc-> the API used by omxplayer to play back video
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> oh..
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> no. don't do video much.
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> other than SDL.
[21:41] <clever> i'm trying to add support for it to mplayer
[21:41] <clever> but the backtrace is leading me down a dead end
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[21:42] <clever> http://privatepaste.com/f13ba48cc7
[21:42] <clever> nowhere!
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[22:08] <ghoti> clever, thanks so much for your advice. You've given me a few days of reading, after which I'll be back with more questions. :)
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[23:31] <bitplane> Hi all, I'm making an alarm clock and I'm looking for ideas of how to do the "blinking 12:00s" thing
[23:32] <bitplane> I don't have a Pi to hand either so can't really experiment, but am I right in thinking the date is always wrong when you reboot a raspberry pi?
[23:32] <bitplane> and that raspbian has ntp installed by default?
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[23:33] <mervaka> yep
[23:33] <bitplane> so if the year is < 1980 or something should do it?
[23:33] <bitplane> that will save me from scraping NTP logs :)
[23:33] <mervaka> to be honest, unless NTP was a requirement, i'd make an alarm clock on a microprocessor :p
[23:34] <mervaka> a really simple one at that
[23:34] <bitplane> the requirement is that it speaks the time and has the "Chicken alarm" from 2008 Sony Erricson mobile phones
[23:34] <mervaka> oh ok then
[23:35] <bitplane> it's a Christmas present for my gf who has dry eyes (grr LASEK) and wants a speaking alarm clock
[23:35] <mervaka> i see
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[23:35] <mervaka> (no pun intended)
[23:35] <bitplane> she doesn't haha
[23:36] <bitplane> at least not at 3am when she wakes up and doesn't know what time it is, and by the time she can read the clock she's wide awake
[23:36] <mervaka> yeah, pi doesn't have an RTC.
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[23:36] <bitplane> great stuff, thanks :)
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[23:36] <mervaka> but you can either periodically hammer NTP, or hook up an RTC peripheral
[23:37] <bitplane> how inaccurate is the clock? will a daily call to `ntpdate` do the job?
[23:37] <mervaka> offhand, i dont know.
[23:38] <bitplane> if I didn't want a battery-backed clock can I just get a real-time clock and remove the battery?
[23:38] <mervaka> maybe you could get deltas every time you update, and increase the frequency of updates until the deltas are adequately low.
[23:39] <mervaka> RTC will still need persistent power.
[23:39] <pksato> if have internet, NTP get time accurate.
[23:39] <mervaka> it will just keep time better when the system's on.
[23:40] <bitplane> yep I want it to do the traditional thing of flashing when it doesn't know what time it is
[23:40] <bitplane> just for coolness more than anything
[23:40] <mervaka> as pksato says, depends how reliant on an internet connection you want
[23:40] <mervaka> to be*
[23:40] <pksato> Once per day is ok.
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[23:41] <bitplane> superb, thanks guys :)
[23:42] <bitplane> another dumb question: is raspbian run by raspberry pi guys?
[23:42] <bitplane> say I'm gonna open source the software and hardware, and would prefer to publish it as a deb package, would it be easy to get it added to raspbian
[23:42] <pksato> or use gps or wwvb
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[23:44] <bitplane> hmm I'm not in the US and don't know what the UK equivalent of wwvb is, also it will be indoors so GPS isn't so good
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[23:45] <bitplane> maybe I should put a GPS thing on the roof and run a timeserver myself, both for the world and so GCHQ can't make me sleep in in the morning
[23:45] <mervaka> is that like the rugby signal?
[23:45] <pksato> rtc module ost less that $5 on ebay (or other).
[23:46] <pksato> or need atomic clock precision?
[23:47] <bitplane> ooh
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[23:48] <bitplane> I don't know at the moment, I'm just brainstorming and making lists of links and stuff
[23:48] <mervaka> lots of ways to skin this cat.
[23:49] <mervaka> i quite like the GPS idea actually.
[23:49] <bitplane> I'll prioritize I guess. commonly used off-the-shelf stuff is much less time consuming so I guess a wifi dongle and ntp are the most reliable option
[23:49] <mervaka> that works pretty much anywhere that isn't a mineshaft
[23:50] <mervaka> ntp seems easiest.
[23:50] <pksato> even atomic clock use NTP to syncronise to others around world.
[23:50] <mervaka> some other questions.. do you intend to travel with it?
[23:50] <mervaka> ie, do you want to rely on having an internet connection?
[23:51] <bitplane> I don't think it will ever leave the bedside table
[23:51] <mervaka> ok then, does your bedside table have internet access?
[23:51] <bitplane> but yeah you're right, it's far less impressive if it only works in our house
[23:51] <bitplane> I ordered a small WiFi dongle and a mini powered USB hub (for the USB speaker)
[23:51] <bitplane> I don't know how many GPIO pins I'll have left after all the buttons and the 7-seg
[23:52] <clever> bitplane: the date doesnt always start at 1970
[23:52] <AlanBell> bitplane: my pi was showing 22:50 (accurate time) and I removed the network connection and rebooted, it now thinks it is 22:17 so it lost 33 minutes or so
[23:52] <clever> bitplane: there is a fake hw clock script, that restores the clock value from shutdown
[23:52] <AlanBell> it regularly saves the ntp acquired datetime I think
[23:52] <clever> bitplane: if the network is down, it will just restart the clock at the same value it was at when you shut it off
[23:53] <bitplane> clever, AlanBell: thanks! I'll figure out where that lives
[23:53] <clever> its in /etc/init.d
[23:53] <clever> /etc/init.d/fake-hwclock
[23:53] <clever> it saves the clock at proper shutdown, and restores it at bootup
[23:53] <clever> if the power is cut, then it will likely just not save the clock
[23:53] <AlanBell> oh, I did a powercut, that explains it
[23:53] <bitplane> ah thank you
[23:54] <clever> its setup to run before fsck, because fsck gets upset if the filesystem was modified 40 years in the future
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[23:54] <clever> by restoring the shutdown time, the fs appears to have only been modified about 30 seconds ago
[23:54] <AlanBell> /etc/fake-hwclock.data is where it saves
[23:55] <clever> yep
[23:55] <clever> 13 18:49:16 < mervaka> i quite like the GPS idea actually.
[23:55] <clever> i think ntp can be configured to use a gps module
[23:55] <bitplane> so with `uptime`, fake-hwclock.data and something in the ntp logs I should know whether the time is reliable
[23:55] <AlanBell> hmm, I might add a cronjob to regularly poke fake-hwclock
[23:55] <clever> bitplane: ntp can just tell you directly
[23:55] <clever> pi@pi ~/builds/mplayer $ ntpq -pn remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
[23:56] <clever> ==============================================================================
[23:56] <clever> +198.50.239.55 200.160.7.186 2 u 270 1024 377 94.480 8.080 5.065
[23:56] * clever kicks irssi
[23:56] <clever> remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
[23:56] <clever> the offset field tells you how far out of sync your clock is
[23:56] <clever> in this case, i'm off by 8.08ms, relative to that server
[23:56] <clever> *198.50.239.57 200.160.7.186 2 u 557 1024 377 98.485 10.012 2.024
[23:56] <clever> and 10.012ms relative to this server
[23:56] <clever> * marks the server it has chosen as the primary reference, + is the backup
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[23:58] <bitplane> my requirement is to show blinking time like a radio alarm clock if the time is inaccurate, to prompt the user to set it manually
[23:58] <pksato> some rtc chip have a alarm funciona, can wake up rpi. (need extra hw)
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[23:58] <bitplane> if I have NTP access then I probably have the correct time too
[23:58] <clever> and if you dont have ntp access, ntpq -pn will report errors
[23:58] <AlanBell> bitplane: it is always going to be as accurate as it thinks is possible
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[23:59] <clever> either unable to connect to the remote server, or ntpd will be down entirely
[23:59] <pksato> some clocks use AC line frequency to get 1s pulses.
[23:59] <clever> 60hz pulses actualy
[23:59] <ShorTie> why not just do it automagically instead of emanuel ??

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