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IRC Log for 2013-11-14

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[0:00] <clever> brb
[0:00] <pksato> 50Hz or 60Hz
[0:00] <bitplane> clever: yeah I had one of those, binary clock from thinkgeek. shame the power here is 50hz
[0:01] <clever> you could give the rpi your own 50hz clock signal easily
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[0:01] <clever> basicaly, run the 220vac directly into a really high value resistor, like 10 or 20 meg ohms
[0:02] <clever> and then have a diode clamping it to 3.3v
[0:02] <clever> and feed it into a gpio pin
[0:02] <clever> oh, wait, this wont help any, lol
[0:02] <bitplane> yeah I want to know if the time is inaccurate
[0:02] <clever> the pi can already count time, it just looses track when you cut power
[0:02] <pksato> "quartz" clock use a 32768Hz frequency. (same on RTC)
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[0:02] <bitplane> so I can prompt the user to set the clock manually
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[0:02] <clever> bitplane: i would just add a proper RTC chip with battery backup
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[0:02] <clever> and make the pi use that
[0:03] <clever> brb
[0:03] <bitplane> clever: yeah looks like that's going to be the solid option
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[0:03] <pksato> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Real-Time-Clock-RTC-Calendar-Module-with-Battery-Arduino-3-3V-5V-/271316984742?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2bc0a3a6
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[0:03] <bitplane> though I'm a software guy who only knows how to hold a soldering iron because he chipped a few original xboxes to run XBMC
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[0:04] <bitplane> hmm that's cool pksato thanks
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[0:04] <bitplane> that eats up 4 GPIO pins?
[0:04] <bitplane> are the pins interchangeable?
[0:05] <pksato> no.
[0:05] <pksato> its use i2c bus.
[0:06] <pksato> ~256 devices can share same i2c bus. (or 127)
[0:06] <clever> ~127 i think, one bit is used as the read/write signal
[0:06] <bitplane> oh nice!
[0:07] <clever> 2 pins for the i2c bus, 2 for power
[0:07] <clever> power can always be shared
[0:07] <bitplane> so the 7-seg can share the same bus as the realtime clock
[0:07] <bitplane> and I can have a buttload of buttons
[0:08] <bitplane> I take it i2c drivers deal with this mess?
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[0:09] <clever> yeah, as long as those devices are also i2c based
[0:09] <bitplane> hmm are there any things I need to worry about with connecting multiple things up? like do they need to all be the same voltage?
[0:10] <clever> i think it was called open collector
[0:10] <bitplane> I've ordered one of these which is 5v: http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-led-backpack/1-2-inch-7-segment-backpack
[0:10] <clever> all i2c devices either let the bus float, or pull it to ground
[0:10] <clever> so it will never drive 5v up your pi's wazoo
[0:10] <clever> and the pi has 3.3v pullups on the pins, right on the board
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[0:12] <bitplane> how do you address multiple things on an i2c bus? do they get the same address each time?
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[0:12] <bitplane> will the drivers just deal with it?
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[0:13] <clever> the address is set by various pins on the slave
[0:13] <clever> which pins do what and which addr it gets, depends on the device
[0:13] <clever> the mpr121 touch sensor can have 4 possible addresses i think, depending on how you wire up the 2 address pins
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[0:15] <clever> and usualy, each device has its own set of addresses, so they dont overlap often
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[0:15] <bitplane> cool thanks
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[0:15] <bitplane> I guess I should read up on i2c, it's a bit lower level than I'm used to
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[0:16] <clever> if you 'modprobe i2c-dev' and i2c-bcm2708 then you get a i2c-0 and i2c-1 in /dev/
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[0:17] <clever> you can then use various things (including python) to talk to any i2c device by address
[0:17] <mervaka> an idea for driving lots of LEDs: use the SPI bus and loads of shift registers
[0:18] <mervaka> you can probably do your 7seg decoding in software then :p
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[0:18] <bitplane> oh wow, that would be fun!
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[0:20] <mervaka> its easy, just a lookup table
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[0:23] <bitplane> here's a thought: is it possible to listen for WPS button press events and connect when one is heard?
[0:23] <bitplane> you know, the passwordless wifi thing
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[0:25] <mervaka> god knows
[0:25] <clever> bitplane: might want to look into reaver
[0:25] <clever> the WPS stuff often uses a 4 digit pin code
[0:26] <bitplane> that;s a brute force thing isn't it?
[0:26] <clever> trivial to brute-force
[0:26] <clever> and then the router gives you the wpa key
[0:26] <clever> some routers still do it even when you turn WPS off
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[0:26] <bitplane> all my neighbours wps mysteriously stopped working. most ISPs here give out routers with rate-limiting on them
[0:27] <bitplane> after several hundred attempts they shut down until next reboot
[0:27] <bitplane> apparently anyway, so someone said
[0:28] <clever> the router i got is totaly useless
[0:28] <bitplane> I was thinking maybe you could DoS the clients until the user presses the button on the side, then jump on ahead of them
[0:28] <clever> its imposible to connect to any wired client from the wifi
[0:28] <bitplane> that would be a brutal alarm clock
[0:28] <clever> so if the rpi was on wifi, it would never be able to connect to the desktop
[0:28] <bitplane> wow that sucks
[0:28] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[0:28] <clever> i looked it up on their website
[0:28] <clever> they claim you cant shut it off, because no such feature exists
[0:29] <bitplane> I guess there's just no bridge between the two networks, it's a missing feature rather than an added one
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[0:30] <bitplane> ie they are only on the same subnet because of a dirty hack
[0:30] <clever> i have a feeling my isp added that 'feature' to the firmware
[0:30] <clever> they have made several changes to it
[0:30] <bitplane> can you put openwrt on it?
[0:30] <clever> for one, it cant use 10.0.0.0/24
[0:30] <clever> if i try to set that, it claims to set it, then says its going to reboot
[0:30] <clever> then it never does
[0:31] <bitplane> tivoized gpl too?
[0:31] <bitplane> like they can bastardize the firmware but you can't
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[0:31] <clever> the name of this internet plan is plastered on the top of the login page for the router
[0:31] <clever> the ISP has clearly been mucking with it :P
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[0:32] <bitplane> :(
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[0:32] <clever> also, the tv service requires the special config in this
[0:32] <clever> the modem gives 802.1q tagged packets
[0:32] <clever> one vlan needs to have dhcp and nat, the other vlan must be bridged into the lan
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[0:35] <clever> as for why i cant use 10.0.0.0/8, the ISP is using that on the tv network
[0:35] <clever> which must be bridged into my lan
[0:35] <clever> all hell would break loose if i tried to use that as my lan
[0:36] <bitplane> ugh
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[0:37] <clever> oh, and i cant login using chrome
[0:37] <clever> the password gets set to the username if i click login
[0:37] <clever> causing it to try to use 'admin/admin'
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[0:42] <clever> bitplane: and the latest fun, somebody i know has a wifi repeater
[0:42] <clever> its running full nat and dhcp, giving him a 4th lan
[0:42] <clever> and its leaking dhcp requests thru the nat
[0:42] <clever> so 2 dhcp servers answer every query
[0:42] <bitplane> :/
[0:43] <clever> the alignment of the plannets has changed
[0:43] <clever> so now a different server is answering
[0:43] <clever> and all hell has broken loose!
[0:43] <bitplane> so... how is that on your network?!
[0:43] <bitplane> you mean on your ISPs 10.0.0.0/8?
[0:43] <bitplane> or you're at college/uni or something?
[0:43] <clever> home internet
[0:44] <clever> let me get a unique hostname
[0:44] <bitplane> oh wait sorry I read wrong
[0:44] <clever> twonky.tv.fibreop.ca
[0:44] <clever> look at the ip behind this
[0:45] <bitplane> it's a 10 address
[0:45] <clever> my lan is 192.168.2.x, if i try to open that, i get an IIS7 dummy page
[0:46] <clever> they forgot to change the index.html file
[0:46] <clever> so the isp is running private services under 10.x.y.z, which are accessible from every house in the town
[0:46] <bitplane> lol
[0:47] <clever> one of those servers also runs the tv
[0:47] <bitplane> and you can brute force WPS on your crummy router?
[0:47] <clever> 19:47:30.882136 IP 10.237.0.37.47811 > 239.42.137.207.8208: UDP, length 1328
[0:47] <clever> this would be one of the channels on my tv
[0:47] <clever> ive tried to brute-force its WPS, nothing happens
[0:47] <clever> it doesnt crack
[0:48] <clever> but ive never had reaver work yet, so it might be packet injection problems
[0:48] <bitplane> ah okay
[0:48] <clever> look at the addresses in that tcpdump
[0:48] <clever> twonky.tv.fibreop.ca. 672 IN A 10.237.11.6
[0:48] <clever> its on the same /16
[0:49] <bitplane> so anyone with TV can have a stab at hacking the TV servers?
[0:49] <bitplane> I mean, anyone with your ISP
[0:49] <clever> yep
[0:50] <clever> the cable boxes run windows ce, with microsoft media room
[0:50] <clever> all tv channels come in over rtp, containing mpegts packets with normal CA encryption
[0:50] <bitplane> shame WPS crack doesn't work so you can do it from someone else's connection!
[0:50] <clever> and when the cable box boots up, it does a crap-load of http queries, in the clear
[0:50] <clever> with their own ugly crypto hack slapped on it
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[0:51] <clever> every query has crypto signatures and keys in the http header, with the body encrypted
[0:51] <clever> why the idiots didnt just use https, i have no clue :P
[0:51] <bitplane> lol
[0:51] <clever> oh, and the DVR box
[0:51] <clever> fat32
[0:51] <clever> so, how can it store multi-gig recordings of hdtv?
[0:52] <bitplane> it... it can;t?
[0:52] <bitplane> or it splits them?
[0:52] <clever> the entire drive is filled with a series of files
[0:52] <clever> every one of them exactly 2gig
[0:52] <clever> even before i filled the drive up
[0:52] <bitplane> probably crappy https replacement instead of huge delays contacting CRL servers
[0:52] <bitplane> lol
[0:53] <clever> so they are raid concat'ing a series of 2gig files, to create a virtual volume over the 2gig limit
[0:53] <bitplane> they map a filesystem over the filesystem so you can filesystem while you filesystem?
[0:53] <clever> and then using a custom fs inside that
[0:53] <clever> exactly
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[0:53] <clever> the tech installing it also claimed, you could watch tv on the free ipad mini they give out with this service
[0:54] <clever> but you cant, its worse then that!
[0:54] <clever> if you install 'twonky beam' on the ipad, you can push youtube videos FROM the ipad to the cable box
[0:54] <clever> to watch youtube on the tv
[0:54] <clever> but the ipad must remain on the entire time, or the stream breaks
[0:54] <bitplane> does it use the same keys? :D
[0:55] <clever> oh, and i have no bloody clue how they expect that to work with the wifi problems :P
[0:55] <clever> i bypassed their crap wifi
[0:55] <clever> if you install the 'twonky beam' app on android, exact same website, it doesnt find the cable box
[0:55] <clever> and the play store is flooded with comments about how the latest update broke it
[0:56] <clever> and to make things more nutty
[0:56] <clever> when the ipad connects to the cable box
[0:56] <clever> the cable box connects to twonky.tv.fibreop.ca
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[0:57] <bitplane> probably recording what you're up to
[0:58] <clever> i think its just that the cable box is too dumb
[0:58] <bitplane> in case you're on reddit.com/r/fullmoviesonyoutube or something
[0:58] <clever> it needs a 3rd party server to handle the actual protocol
[0:58] <clever> also, the cable box doesnt get the url, ever
[0:58] <clever> the ipad streams the content into the ipad, then back out
[0:58] <bitplane> it streams the whole thing to a back-end server and then back again?!
[0:58] <clever> running it over wifi twice, and draining your battery
[0:58] <bitplane> oh i see
[0:59] <clever> also, the twonky app, is just a glorified browser
[0:59] <clever> all it does it open the mobile youtube website
[0:59] <clever> and then yank out <video> tags
[0:59] <clever> and as it should be, twonky cant read your cookies from the browser, or youtube app
[0:59] <clever> so you arent logged in
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[1:00] <clever> android just does everything better
[1:00] <clever> 1: the core google service framework package manages the session for your google accunt
[1:01] <clever> 2: the proper youtube app asks that for an auth token, to access youtube.com as you, no need to login again
[1:01] <clever> 3: the proper youtube app can contact the youtube app in both the ps3, and chromecast, and tell them WHICH VIDEO TO PLAY!
[1:01] <clever> turn the android off, and it keeps playing
[1:02] <bitplane> YouTube app sucks balls on Samsung Smart TV
[1:02] <clever> for the ipad crap, if you click a youtube link in facebook, it runs a browser intisde the facebook app
[1:02] <clever> which cant stream to anything
[1:02] <clever> and if you click a related video, then try to share it on facebook
[1:02] * heathkid|2 is now known as heathkid
[1:02] <clever> facebook only knows what url it original opened
[1:02] <clever> it cant see the current one
[1:02] <clever> so you have almost no way to do even the most basic actions
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[1:04] <clever> if i simply had the cable card keys, i could decrypt everything directly on a desktop
[1:05] <clever> and bypass ALL of their junk
[1:05] <clever> including the router
[1:05] <clever> i have made a program thats capable of recording any channel i point it at, but its completely encrypted
[1:06] <clever> hmmm, i wonder if the rpi could decrypt and play back the recordings
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[1:06] <clever> its a hell of a lot smaller then their STB
[1:07] <ShorTie> most likely
[1:07] <clever> ShorTie: http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/all.ts care to take a stab at it?
[1:08] <ShorTie> Laughs Out Loud
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[1:09] <clever> pid 8160 contains encrypted commands for the cable card
[1:09] <ShorTie> what is a ts file ??
[1:09] <clever> which will return a 48bit codeword
[1:09] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/MPEG-2%20TS%20packet%20analyser_2_4_4.zip
[1:09] <clever> this program will let you read the packets in the ts file
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[1:10] <clever> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_transport_stream#Packet
[1:10] <clever> and this describes the packet format
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[1:15] <bitplane> do you know the encryption algorithm?
[1:15] <bitplane> 48-bits isn't a lot is it?
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[1:16] <clever> bitplane: not yet, but that 48bit key is the input to the standard decryption algo
[1:17] <clever> the non-standard part, is how you get the 48bit key from a second encrypted data stream
[1:17] <clever> pid 8160 on the mpegts stream contains the encrypted 48bit keys, along with various control and command packets for the 'cable card' to execute
[1:18] <clever> every now and then, the 'cable card' will spit up a 48bit codeword, and the system will use that to decrypt the video/audio streams
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[1:18] <clever> the cable card itself is a complete black box
[1:20] <bitplane> sounds like quite a reverse engineering project!
[1:20] <clever> also, i cant find any trace of a normal cable card in my cable box
[1:20] <clever> i suspect its being done purely in software, in windows ce
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[1:21] <bitplane> no way to get a RAM dump out?
[1:21] <clever> havent tried the jtag port yet
[1:21] <clever> but the onboard serial does spew some boot messages
[1:22] <clever> and the os isnt encrypted
[1:22] <clever> one min
[1:23] <clever> bitplane: http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/sdb1.tar.gz http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/sdb2.tar.gz this would be the hdd from the cable box
[1:24] <clever> but its also capable of running without any hdd
[1:24] <clever> so the keys are probly loaded over http at bootup
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[1:27] <clever> but if i knew how this wince stuff worked, i could maybe emulate that, and download those keys
[1:28] <clever> bitplane: hey, doesnt win ce run on arm?
[1:28] <bitplane> yep
[1:28] <clever> i had a crazy idea
[1:28] <clever> just run the STB software on the pi :P
[1:28] <clever> directly
[1:29] <bitplane> I bet it'll just explode when none of the devices are exactly at the addresses where they're expected
[1:29] <clever> then why is it bothering with 2gig large files to emulate a fs on an fs?
[1:29] <ShorTie> might be easier to figure out what is going on maybe
[1:29] <clever> it feels like the apps dont have low level access
[1:30] <clever> so they are abusing the normal file api to create a 'better' filesystem
[1:30] <bitplane> yeah the apps probably don't. maybe you could run everything but the apps in qemu or something
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[1:30] <bitplane> I bet the wince drivers will expect proprietary hardware to be accessible at exact addresses
[1:30] <clever> yeah
[1:30] <clever> but if i run a normal wince core, with the custom apps?
[1:30] <clever> drop their drivers
[1:31] <bitplane> yeah that may work
[1:31] <clever> maybe the bootstrap code will download keys before it tries to load the decoding login
[1:31] <clever> logic*
[1:33] <clever> 'Microsoft licenses Windows CE to OEMs and device makers'
[1:33] <clever> ok, so it wont be that easy to run CE in qemu
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[1:34] <Vian> [19:31] < clever> logic* azizLIGH~
[1:35] <bitplane> clever: https://github.com/AndreRH/winece
[1:36] <bitplane> looks like a proof of concept, not very mature
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[1:37] <chithead> I think windows ce runs on arm versatile, and qemu is able to emulate that
[1:38] <clever> bitplane: that looks like a fork of wine to run wince programs?
[1:38] <bitplane> yeah looks like it
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[1:38] <clever> i'm guessing it will emulate the arm cpu?
[1:38] <clever> or is it x86 ce only?
[1:39] <bitplane> wince is only arm isn't it?
[1:39] <clever> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_CE says x86 also
[1:40] <bitplane> oh :(
[1:40] <bitplane> I got there from the windows RT section on the Wine wiki, which is arm I think. there was talk of qemu
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[1:41] <clever> lets work on the other project ive been doing
[1:41] <clever> mplayer on pi!
[1:42] <clever> printf("desc %p, planes %d\n",desc,planes);
[1:42] <clever> desc 0x8cc830, planes 0
[1:42] <clever> this triggers an error on the rpi, because planes shouldnt be 0
[1:42] <bitplane> wouldn't that depend on whatever desc means?
[1:42] <bitplane> planes is number of colour channels?
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[1:43] <bitplane> gah kde install has screwed my ubuntu up
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[1:43] <clever> bitplane: in mplayer lingo, encoding a row as rgbrgbrgb is one plane
[1:43] <ShorTie> that is why you use kubuntu
[1:44] <clever> bitplane: but encoding all the red pixels as a single image, then all the green as an image, then all the blue, is 3 planes
[1:44] <bitplane> well I've not tried kde since I was messing with opensuse so thought I'd try this plasma stuff, it's alright I guess but I prefer Unity
[1:44] <Doc-Saintly> Any recommendations on how to install a wifi adapter :(
[1:44] <Doc-Saintly> I have two and one of them gets picked up but sees no networks, the other doesn't get recognized by wifi config (WPA_GUI)
[1:45] <Doc-Saintly> how do I figure out which OS i have on this thing? I can't remember :(
[1:45] <bitplane> Doc-Saintly: uname -a
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[1:46] <bitplane> Doc-Saintly: lsusb and see whether your wifi adapter is supported
[1:47] <bitplane> clever: yeah hence my handle, that's how it was done in the good ole days back on the Amiga
[1:47] <clever> bitplane: if i run the same code on a computer with vdpau, i get desc 0xb7727bb0, planes 1
[1:47] <clever> so i need to modify it to return that
[1:49] <clever> bitplane: http://privatepaste.com/94836b9077 ok, the problem is arround here
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[1:50] <bitplane> clever: is it just a matter of writing to a framebuffer with the correct pixel format?
[1:50] <bitplane> and knowing how to describe that format
[1:51] <clever> thats if you want to do software decode
[1:51] <clever> i'm trying to do hardware decode, with the gpu
[1:51] <Doc-Saintly> bitplane: just says raspberrypi 3.6.11+, and it identifies my wireless adapter as RALink RT8070 from Buffalo
[1:52] <clever> https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
[1:52] <clever> directions would have to be modified slightly
[1:53] <bitplane> iirc firmware-ralink is already installed
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[1:54] <bitplane> Doc-Saintly: dpkg --get-selections | grep ralink
[1:54] <Doc-Saintly> hrm, I figured out the wifi thing, it's a bit clunky and slow and I tried to add it
[1:54] <Doc-Saintly> so now it just loops between scanning and authentiating
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[1:55] <clever> bitplane: found the problem, there is a av_pix_fmt_descriptors array
[1:55] <ShorTie> did you nano up your /etc/network/interfaces with your keys and stuff ??
[1:55] <clever> bitplane: descripting the number of planes for every format
[1:55] <clever> i never added my custom format!
[1:55] <bitplane> :D
[1:56] <Doc-Saintly> bitplane: just confirmed it's raspian. don't see any ralink
[1:56] <bitplane> Doc-Saintly: you have pushed the button thing on your router haven't you, y'know, in case it's that
[1:57] <Doc-Saintly> bitplane: I don't use WPS to configure
[1:57] <Doc-Saintly> holy hell
[1:57] <Doc-Saintly> I just took out the wireless adapter and it burned my finger it's so hot
[1:57] <bitplane> I meant your mac is probably filtered regardless of wps
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[1:57] <Doc-Saintly> bitplane: no, I only use WPA2 for all of my devices to connect
[1:58] <Doc-Saintly> no MAC filtering set up on the router
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[1:58] <bitplane> I should stfu actually I can't remember what network manager comes with raspian and I only ever used my wifi card in monitor mode to snoop on neighbours mobile phones
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[2:00] <ShorTie> Doc-Saintly have you tried the wifi config on the raspbian desktop ??
[2:00] <chithead> https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant
[2:00] <clever> bitplane: also, i found another nasty bug
[2:00] <clever> bitplane: if you do claim to have 0 planes, it prints out an error, then tries to free the same pointer twice
[2:00] <clever> which crashes the entire program
[2:01] <Doc-Saintly> ShorTie: that's what I'm using.
[2:01] <bitplane> bloody c and manual memory management!
[2:01] <Doc-Saintly> bitplane: your help is greatly appreciated, i'm just letting you know what I see :)
[2:02] <ShorTie> or a better way i think is to just nano up /etc/network/interfaces
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[2:06] <clever> bitplane: desc 0x8cc850, planes 1
[2:06] <clever> tada!
[2:07] <clever> mplayers is now fully 'working' again
[2:07] <clever> but my code is missing the actual video decode
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[2:16] <Doc-Saintly> :( it's really not liking me.
[2:16] <Doc-Saintly> Is there something that's more "click and go" than raspian?
[2:16] <Doc-Saintly> It kept dropping off of the wifi network. I even used the same adapter from a computer that connects just fine
[2:16] <ShorTie> windows
[2:16] <bitplane> i think raspbian is about as good as you're gonna get
[2:16] <bitplane> as simple that is
[2:17] <bitplane> sounds like a hardware issue though. do you have enough power?
[2:17] <bitplane> have you tried being closer to the wifi hub?
[2:17] <bitplane> also, what does "sudo iw scan | more" tell you?
[2:18] <ShorTie> command not found, hehe
[2:19] <bitplane> oh, iw isn't installed?
[2:19] <ShorTie> guess not
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[2:20] <bitplane> sudo apt-get install iw # :)
[2:21] <ShorTie> nl80211 not found.
[2:21] <clever> ShorTie: i ran into that issue just last week when helping somebody else, the wifi driver didnt support the new iw tools
[2:21] <clever> but it worked fine thru wpa_supplicant
[2:21] <bitplane> ouch :(
[2:21] * ShorTie having no luck, lol
[2:22] <bitplane> damn that sucks, how do you get signal strength with the old tools?
[2:22] <ShorTie> but my wireless works .. :)~
[2:23] <clever> bitplane: i often use iwconfig
[2:23] <Doc-Saintly> bitplane: hrm, well I have the thing plugged into my desktop computer. that should be enough power right? It's coming off of the motherboard
[2:23] <clever> and/or iwlist scan
[2:23] <Doc-Saintly> and the strength was OK
[2:23] <ShorTie> may not be Doc-Saintly
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[2:24] <ShorTie> pc usb port might be limited to 500ma
[2:24] <Doc-Saintly> a USB3 port should do it though - right?
[2:24] <Doc-Saintly> that has 1000ma per spec, right?
[2:24] <clever> bitplane: and as soon as i say that, the wifi craps itself, for the first time in months
[2:24] <ShorTie> got a multi meter ??
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[2:25] <Doc-Saintly> ShorTie: nah, I do have a wall adapter though - and if I wasn't so lazy I would go try that instead of USB 3 (trying usb 3 now)
[2:27] <clever> test
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[2:27] <clever> bitplane: i think iwlist scan confused the card, i lost all rx but tx still worked
[2:27] <bitplane> we see you clever
[2:27] <bartos> anyone use a pi as remote radio controlled from tablet and fetching from nfs
[2:27] <bitplane> odd
[2:27] <clever> note to self, dont use iwlist while wpa is using the card
[2:28] <Doc-Saintly> yea it just says trying to authenticate... status swaps between scanning and something else. now it says WPS-AP-Available, and now just scanning
[2:28] <clever> bitplane: i ssh'd into irc from the other laptop, there now its fully recovered
[2:28] <clever> brb
[2:28] <clever> bitplane: for half that convo, ssh was only working in the tx direction
[2:29] <clever> had to use ssh+screen on a second laptop to see your replies
[2:29] <Doc-Saintly> bleh. fine. went and grabbed the 2A usb wall adapter. giving that a shot now.
[2:29] <Doc-Saintly> No way that could be not enough power, right?
[2:30] <ShorTie> Doc-Saintly, have you edited /etc/network/interfaces and put your keys and stuff in there ??
[2:30] <clever> Doc-Saintly: there are current limiting fuses on the usb ports in the pi
[2:30] <Doc-Saintly> ShorTie: I used the interface to configure the network. WHen I was using another adapter it actually said it did the 4 way handshake, but not much else after that.
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[2:30] <ShorTie> so i guess thats a no ??
[2:31] <Doc-Saintly> correct
[2:31] <ShorTie> well that is where it really looks for the stuff
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[2:33] <parco> how is it possible to interface with the low level gpu?
[2:33] <clever> parco: what kind of interfacing do you want to do?
[2:33] <sney> through binary and magic
[2:33] <parco> low level interfacing
[2:33] <parco> assembly
[2:33] <parco> i just want to mess with the nitty gritty details
[2:34] <sney> anything's possible but the nitty gritty details are, afaik, mostly a broadcom super secret
[2:34] <clever> i have found a project before for reverse enginerring it, but i dont remember the name
[2:34] <parco> im curious how it works, how is the text being displayed on bootup, etc
[2:35] <sney> I encourage you to reverse engineer the heck out of it and find out those answers, then make them public
[2:35] <sney> the raspberry pi community will be in your debt.
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[2:36] <clever> parco: which text being displayed on bootup?
[2:36] <clever> the kernel messages as it boots?
[2:36] <parco> yes
[2:37] <clever> thats just plain framebuffer, the data is already mostly open
[2:37] <clever> if you run the blob on the gpu
[2:37] <clever> parco: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/wiki/Mailboxes
[2:38] <clever> if you run the firmware blob on the gpu, you can use this api from the arm core to find the framebuffer, configure it, and get its address in ram
[2:38] <clever> thats what linux does when its booting up
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[2:38] <clever> but it relies on the black box that is the firmware blob
[2:39] <clever> brb
[2:39] <parco> so we dont have access to the actual firmware loaded on the bcm?
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[2:40] <clever> parco: some people have run custom firmware on the gpu, but the specs for that core arent open
[2:41] <clever> so your just running blind
[2:41] <Doc-Saintly> lol... wait, I think I just realized something.
[2:41] <Doc-Saintly> Is the Pi supposed to restart if you plugin a USB device?
[2:42] <ShorTie> only if you draw to much power
[2:42] <Doc-Saintly> xD
[2:42] <Doc-Saintly> it was restarting each time i plugged in the wifi adapter :D
[2:42] <pksato> and have poor PSU or cable
[2:42] <ShorTie> that is why wifi is recommended to be on a power hub
[2:43] <Doc-Saintly> ok, well it's not restarting now, but it's in the same scanning / authenticating loop
[2:43] <ShorTie> the rPi may not be able to pass enough current for the wifi even though the adapter could supply enough
[2:43] <clever> the wifi card may malfunction if it doesnt get enough juice
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[2:43] <pksato> no external powered usb HUB?
[2:44] <Doc-Saintly> nope :\
[2:44] <Doc-Saintly> I'm seeing a lot more signal on the network now though, 75%
[2:44] <Doc-Saintly> shouldn't there be an error log somewhere?
[2:44] <parco> there seems to be a lot of work already on the subject
[2:44] <parco> ill take a look around
[2:44] <pksato> Its is a power issue.
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[2:45] <pksato> the safe way to resolv it is to usa a external powered usb hub.
[2:46] <Doc-Saintly> Well, I'm also noticing it could be the password that's typed in, the keyboard I'm using appears to be busted. and I don't have a powered hub atm, so that's not an option.
[2:46] <pksato> or a more low power wifi dongle.
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[2:47] <Doc-Saintly> I'm thinking it could be a password issue, but it would have been nice if it said that :S
[2:47] <Doc-Saintly> when I push shift + 2 i get "
[2:47] <Doc-Saintly> so I think this keyboard is jacked up, and I didn't notice that in the password field
[2:47] <Doc-Saintly> does raspian come with some sort of visual keyboard? Any suggestions on how to get an @?
[2:48] <bartos> goto symbols
[2:48] <pksato> set keyboard
[2:48] <clever> pksato: as far as i understand it, the boot rom in the gpu loads and runs bootcode.bin from the sd card
[2:48] <pksato> raspian default is uk.
[2:48] <clever> pksato: that then loads start.elf, which reads config.txt and loads kernel.img
[2:48] <pksato> clever: ?
[2:48] <clever> pksato: oops, meant to say Paco
[2:48] <clever> oh, he left
[2:48] <clever> thats why tab complete messed up
[2:49] <Doc-Saintly> where's symbols?
[2:49] <clever> Doc-Saintly: does ethernet work?
[2:49] <Doc-Saintly> I don't have ethernet where this thing can reach.
[2:49] <pksato> use raspi-config (or is raspi-setup) and configure keyboard.
[2:50] <bitplane> dumb question time: can I power my Pi from the same USB hub that is powering my other things?
[2:50] <bitplane> the one that's connected to it
[2:50] <pksato> bitplane: yes.
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[2:51] <bitplane> superb, so I don't need shrink-wrap and extra cables and to hack power supplies
[2:51] <bitplane> thanks
[2:51] <pksato> connect hub usb cable to rpi usb port, and one of usb ports to rpi micro usb.
[2:52] <Doc-Saintly> I was thinking one of those little mobile phone USB chargers would make a great UPS for a RPi, what do you guys think?
[2:52] <pksato> Its is a safe way. have not safe a backpower mode.
[2:53] <pksato> Doc-Saintly: If is rated to 1.2A or more.
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[2:55] <pksato> And is a original of phone. Not a spare buyed on some store.
[2:56] <Doc-Saintly> I don't mean the charger, I mean the little battery packs
[2:56] <Doc-Saintly> put one of those inline from your charger to your RPi so if the power cuts out, the RPi can still go
[2:57] <pksato> Ah... if can supply 1A or more.
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[2:58] <pksato> like it http://dx.com/p/peobao-portable-5v-5200mah-battery-power-bank-for-iphone-3g-4-4s-samsung-htc-black-236792 ?
[2:59] <bitplane> that would be cool
[2:59] <bitplane> I wonder if you could detect a power outage and do a clean shutdown
[3:00] <pksato> with some hw hacking, is possible.
[3:00] <Doc-Saintly> pksato: yea, like that. I've seen even smaller ones though
[3:00] <Doc-Saintly> Is there an estimate of how long a pack like that would run an RPi?
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[3:01] <pksato> each 1000mAh = 1h
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[3:02] <bitplane> ideally but the voltage would drop as the power goes down wouldn't it?
[3:02] <Cheekio> anyone know of official mirrors for raspi's downloads? NOOBS is taking forever.
[3:02] <bitplane> so it would be different with every battery, eventually it would crash depending on what you had plugged in
[3:02] <Triffid_Hunter> bitplane: rechargeable batteries' voltage tends to flatline over 80% of their discharge curve
[3:02] <bitplane> cool
[3:03] <Triffid_Hunter> and those boxes have switchmode converters in them anyway
[3:03] <bitplane> so you could get 5 hours out of it at 1a/5v?
[3:03] <pksato> estimated.
[3:04] <Triffid_Hunter> bitplane: run numbers in watt hours, makes more sense when switchmode conversion is involved
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[3:05] <pksato> 5200mAh battery like I posted, power RPi for 5 to 7 hours.
[3:05] <pksato> or more.
[3:05] <Triffid_Hunter> 5Ah * 3.7v nominal = 18.5Wh / 5v / 700mA = about 5h
[3:05] <Triffid_Hunter> but add in 20% losses for dc-dc conversion and it's closer to 4 hours
[3:05] <Triffid_Hunter> that's running your rpi flat out, it takes less power when idling
[3:06] <bitplane> that's more than enough for a UPS
[3:06] <pksato> Oh yes, depend of PSU configuration, is step up or step down?
[3:06] <Triffid_Hunter> sure, but you're also assuming they did the charge circuitry right.. lipos don't like to be float charged
[3:06] <pksato> ops. is not end with ?.
[3:06] <pksato> Is not a question.
[3:06] <Triffid_Hunter> pksato: step down to battery (2.9-4.2v) at the input, then step up on the other side to supply 5v
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[3:09] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: i had also played with making my own battery backup, https://www.sparkfun.com/wish_lists/66243
[3:09] <clever> its just a charger+booster, a lipo, and an optional i2c fuel guage
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[3:11] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11231 - "... allows you to charge 3.7V LiPo cells at a rate of 100mA max."
[3:11] <Triffid_Hunter> hm that ain't gonna work for a ups
[3:11] <Triffid_Hunter> unless it forwards input usb direct to the output instead of going through the battery
[3:12] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: dont see any signs of that, but you could just slap a low dropout diode across the whole thing
[3:13] <clever> if the voltage of the boost regulator drops too far, the diode will take over
[3:13] <clever> not sure how well that would work in practice
[3:13] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: shottky diode might work, I'd be happier with a comparator and a pfet though
[3:13] <Triffid_Hunter> or just stick with dual conversion
[3:13] <clever> i have seen other more complex solutions
[3:14] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: http://spritesmods.com/?art=rpi_arcade
[3:14] <clever> page 5
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[3:18] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: that's quite elegant
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[3:19] <clever> the power button is one of the many neat parts
[3:19] <Doc-Saintly> which keyboard layout do I want to get the shift+2 to be @ ?
[3:19] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: if you short press the power button, the gpio on the rpi initiates shutdown
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[3:20] <clever> the rpi then switches that gpio from input to output low
[3:20] <clever> effectively sticking the power button down
[3:20] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: he could run that in a 3rd mode too, input boost
[3:20] <clever> causing PB2 on the avr to timeout and cut power
[3:20] <Doc-Saintly> wow... that is awesome
[3:20] <clever> and with the exact same logic, you can force shutdown like any normal computer
[3:20] <clever> hold the power button down, and the same thing happens
[3:21] <clever> the crazy part, is how he does both charge and boost off the same inductor
[3:21] <clever> with a single custom controller
[3:21] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: didn't know rpi had a power gpio.. does that rely on software on the rpi?
[3:21] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: yeah, software
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[3:21] <clever> a small program polls the gpio pin until it goes low
[3:21] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: naw bidirectional boostbuck has been around for a while, the toyota prius has something similar between the battery bank and the motors
[3:21] <clever> he links that in at the end
[3:22] <clever> this is the same crazy guy that ran an avr from a single AA battery, http://spritesmods.com/?art=ucboost
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[3:22] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: yeah that's not hard, as long as the AA can handle the current!
[3:22] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: http://spritesmods.com/?art=ucboost&page=3
[3:22] <clever> look at his schematic
[3:22] <Triffid_Hunter> heck, I've seen switchers that are designed to run down to 20mV input
[3:22] <clever> there is no boost controller
[3:22] <Cheekio> anyone else having trouble with the raspi noobs download?
[3:22] <Triffid_Hunter> or was it uV?
[3:22] <Cheekio> It's taking forever and the torrent seems dead.
[3:23] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: umm that's nothing *but* a boost controller
[3:23] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: the avr uses one of its PWM pins to regulate its own power
[3:23] <clever> while doing other jobs with the rest of the pins
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[3:24] <clever> the power switch bypasses the switching transistor, and just shorts the inductor directly to ground
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[3:24] <Triffid_Hunter> yep, seen that plenty of times
[3:24] <clever> and when you release it, the surge goes thru the diode and into the cap, and bootstraps the chip
[3:24] <clever> fire up pwm as soon as possible, any old duty cycle
[3:24] <clever> then start regulating when you can
[3:24] <Triffid_Hunter> this chip I saw which runs down to a few hundred uV has a flyback oscillator with a jfet for startup then the controller chip takes over when the voltage is high enough
[3:25] <Triffid_Hunter> needs a jfet which is half-on with 0v on the gate
[3:25] <clever> yeah, ive heard of some of those, that need something like 1.2 volts to start
[3:25] <clever> but once running, can go down to an insanely low voltage
[3:25] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: this one starts on less than 1mv
[3:25] <clever> damn
[3:25] <Triffid_Hunter> same principle as a joule thief, but because of the jfet it doesn't even need enough to fire a transistor base
[3:25] <clever> but ive heard that most AA cells are 90% dead at arround 0.8 volts
[3:26] <clever> and will rapidly loose voltage from there
[3:26] <Triffid_Hunter> yep
[3:26] <Triffid_Hunter> their thevenin impedance skyrockets, becomes totally unsuitable for smps input
[3:26] <Triffid_Hunter> this chip was designed to run from a thermopile
[3:27] <Triffid_Hunter> basically a stack of americum or similar with some pelters bolted to it
[3:27] <clever> i had seen a youtube vid on a energy harvesting dev kit, on the eevblog recently
[3:27] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah energy harvesting stuff is interesting, especially now with super and ultracaps becoming more available
[3:27] <clever> one of his mailbag episodes
[3:28] <Triffid_Hunter> trickle charge the cap up, when it hits threshold you can run your circuitry for 5-10 minutes or so.. take some science readings, transmit data, go to sleep
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[3:29] <clever> i had played with super caps a while ago
[3:29] <Doc-Saintly> so can anyone tell me which keyboard layout :(
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[3:29] <clever> was able to run an xbee and an avr off it for 20 or 30 minutes
[3:29] <clever> with aggressive use of power saving
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[3:29] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: then i went nuts, and tried stuffing the caps into anything they would fit in :P
[3:29] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: yeah, the ultracaps are even more interesting.. *kilofarad* capacities :D
[3:30] <clever> i put a 2.5volt supercap full of charge into my tv remote
[3:30] <clever> which expected 3v from 2 AA's
[3:30] <clever> it ran for several weeks
[3:30] <clever> and was abnormaly light weight
[3:30] <clever> the balance was off
[3:30] <Triffid_Hunter> heh, just need inductive charger for it now :P
[3:31] <clever> i was just thinking of 2 contacts on the bottom
[3:31] <clever> ram 2 amps up the end for 10 seconds
[3:31] <clever> and its good for another month :P
[3:31] <Triffid_Hunter> that works too
[3:32] <clever> its such a simple thing to do, i dont see why tv manufacturs arent doing it already
[3:32] <clever> dock the remote with the tv once every 2 months, and never change the battery again
[3:32] <clever> then i tried it on other things
[3:33] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: nothing 15 minutes with a screwdriver & dremel won't fix.. put a microusb jack and a linreg
[3:33] <clever> the cordless phone ran for about 5 seconds, it goes to full backlight as soon as it gets power
[3:33] <clever> the universal remote for the cable box, couldnt even send a single ir code
[3:33] <Triffid_Hunter> I did that with my battery charger.. ditched the provided dc barrel jack, installed one that's the same size as the charge port for my laptop
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[3:34] <clever> as for charging the supercaps over usb
[3:34] <clever> i tried to measure the charge current with my multimeter once
[3:34] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: yeah the small supercaps tend to have some fairly significant internal resistance.. might need a regular electro in parallel to hold up the voltage for hungry devices
[3:34] <clever> lets just say, i still havent replaced the fuse in it
[3:34] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: your meter's fuse blew from 500mA?
[3:35] <clever> i switched it to 10amp mode and repeated the test, it sucked over 2 amps for a second
[3:35] <clever> and rapidly dropped
[3:35] <Triffid_Hunter> hm, thevenin can't be that high then I suppose
[3:35] <clever> this was powered off a wall wart with a linear reg
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[3:36] <Cheekio> Well, NOOBs finally downloaded
[3:36] <Cheekio> wish me luck
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[3:36] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: ah here is the specs, 10 farad, 2.5 volt
[3:37] <clever> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/746
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[3:37] <Doc-Saintly> I've got the keyboard right, confirmed the password, and it's still looping the scanning/authenticating. Is there a log I can look at to see if the adapter is getting disconnected or something?
[3:37] <clever> Doc-Saintly: run 'wpa_cli' in a terminal
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[3:38] <clever> then inside that, run things like help, status, scan, scan_results
[3:38] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: yep, ESR 40 "somethings"- ohms? milliohms? who knows
[3:38] <Doc-Saintly> clever: open
[3:39] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: next column over, it mentions 3 amps
[3:39] <clever> so they likely expect it to suck 3 amps when charging, i think
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[3:40] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/746#comment-51f6e182757b7f1c5559add8 read these comments
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[3:41] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300923275617
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[3:43] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: dang!
[3:43] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: i wonder how long that could run a raspberry pi
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[3:44] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: well energy = 1/2 C V^2 = about 9kj / 5v / 700mA = 44 minutes
[3:45] <clever> ah, not very long, at 700mA
[3:45] <SirLagz> anyone know how I can split with both a space and a . with awk ?
[3:45] <SirLagz> I've tried using awk -F ' |.'
[3:45] <SirLagz> but that don't work
[3:45] <SirLagz> doesn't*
[3:46] <Triffid_Hunter> SirLagz: get sed to convert them first ;)
[3:46] <clever> SirLagz: or tr
[3:46] <SirLagz> I'd rather not...
[3:46] <clever> clever@c2d ~ $ echo 'a b c' | tr ' ' .
[3:46] <clever> a.b.c
[3:46] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: yeah energy density for caps has increased in leaps and bounds but it's still not in the same ballpark as batteries
[3:46] <SirLagz> that would make it very messy lol
[3:46] <clever> SirLagz: cant use another language?
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[3:46] <malcom2073> dunno, that cap is about equivalant to a AA isn't it?
[3:47] <SirLagz> and most likely result in field.........field2
[3:47] <SirLagz> clever: another rather not.
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[3:47] <SirLagz> i'm sure there is a way to do this
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[3:47] <malcom2073> seem to recall reading a AA (or was it a AAA?) is around 10-11kF
[3:47] <SirLagz> I just don't remember how i did it last time =/
[3:47] <azizLIGHTS> anybody have a cyntech case? the provided screws dont fit all the way in... they are jutting out, all 4 of them. anybody else have this issue
[3:47] <Triffid_Hunter> malcom2073: AA holds about 9kj, yeah
[3:48] <Triffid_Hunter> malcom2073: won't give you 500A if you short it though, ultracap will ;)
[3:48] <malcom2073> course, a AA doens't drop to 0V as you use it heh
[3:48] <clever> malcom2073: dont capacitors also handle more recharge cycles?
[3:48] <Triffid_Hunter> malcom2073: these ones are being marketed as truck start helpers last time I checked
[3:48] <malcom2073> Heh
[3:48] <malcom2073> clever: Indeed.
[3:49] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: ive seen other solutions for truck starting, simpler
[3:49] <clever> basicaly, the battery will monitor its own voltage, and if it goes under say 11 volts, it just disconnects the + post internally
[3:49] <clever> so you cant flat line it
[3:49] <clever> when you go want to start it, push an override button and crank the engine over
[3:49] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: right, so if something happens to the battery you're SOL wrt starting the truck?
[3:50] <clever> yeah, you still have that problem
[3:50] <clever> its mainly for if you leave the lights or radio on overnight
[3:51] <Doc-Saintly> clever: what commands? never used this before :X
[3:51] <clever> Doc-Saintly: are you at the > prompt?
[3:51] <malcom2073> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PLANET-AUDIO-PC10F-10-FARAD-Car-Audio-Power-Capacitor-Cap-Digital-LED-Display/231083595931?_trksid=p2047675.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D333005%26algo%3DRIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D177%26meid%3D2686456277622374661%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D1088%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D300923275617%26
[3:51] <malcom2073> wow big link
[3:52] <malcom2073> Are those POS's actually 10F 12+v caps?
[3:52] <Doc-Saintly> clever: yea
[3:52] <Triffid_Hunter> malcom2073: yeah you only need ebay/itm/<number>, ditch the rest
[3:52] <Doc-Saintly> guessed and did a scan and a list and I see it
[3:52] <malcom2073> Stick that in an enclosure, run something for a couple weeks, and fast-charge it
[3:52] <clever> Doc-Saintly: it should show any status messages as it attempts to connect to things
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[3:53] <Triffid_Hunter> malcom2073: I expect that that's basically 6 60F supercaps in series
[3:53] <malcom2073> Ah, makes sense
[3:53] <Triffid_Hunter> malcom2073: actually it says 24v surge, so a bit more
[3:54] <malcom2073> So you could probably carefully charge it higher
[3:54] <malcom2073> Give you more time
[3:54] <Triffid_Hunter> malcom2073: no. either you overvolt or you don't. overvolt = permanent damage to the capacitor's electrolyte
[3:54] <Doc-Saintly> clever: ah I see
[3:54] <Doc-Saintly> yea, it just keeps saying wps-ap-available, trying to authenticate ...
[3:54] <malcom2073> right, I meant instead of charging it to 12v, you could likely charge it to 24 without overvolting it
[3:54] <clever> Doc-Saintly: this is also the exact same interface all the graphical programs are using
[3:55] <Doc-Saintly> now just wps-ap-available
[3:55] <clever> Doc-Saintly: did you try pushing the wps button?
[3:55] <Doc-Saintly> now back to trying to authenticate :( it's not giving any other errors though, or saying anything else about what is going on
[3:55] <Doc-Saintly> i can go give it a try
[3:56] <Triffid_Hunter> malcom2073: it says it can go up to 24, but I'd be reticent to run it at max
[3:57] <Doc-Saintly> Well I finally got a "authentication request to the driver failed"
[3:57] <Doc-Saintly> and it's just spamming those same scan results and trying to authenticate ~.~
[3:57] <Triffid_Hunter> Doc-Saintly: sounds like you put the passkey in wrong
[3:57] <Doc-Saintly> Triffid_Hunter: except the WPS did that
[3:57] <Doc-Saintly> the passkey never gave that message
[3:58] <clever> Doc-Saintly: check /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[3:58] <clever> that should show you the key
[3:58] <Triffid_Hunter> never tried wps
[4:00] <Doc-Saintly> clever: only thing I see weird in here is that it says WPA as the type even though the GUI shows WPA2-personal
[4:00] <clever> Doc-Saintly: does it list a psk?
[4:00] <Doc-Saintly> er, sorry it says WPA-PSK and it does show the correct PSK
[4:01] <Doc-Saintly> pairwise=CCMP, auth_alg=open
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[4:02] <clever> all i can think of is that maybe it doesnt have enough juice
[4:02] <clever> externaly powered hub!
[4:02] <Doc-Saintly> ~sigh~
[4:02] <Doc-Saintly> i'll try this other adapter real quick and see if it has any better luck
[4:02] <Doc-Saintly> brb
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[4:48] <Doc-Saintly> well... the other wifi adapter worked. I'm going to take this one out back and smash it with a hammer I think.
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[5:27] <Doc-Saintly> woo! got a different adapter working! ^.^
[5:27] <Doc-Saintly> now just to get flash to work :) Is Iceweasel + gnash the recommendation still?
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[11:42] <Hix> anyone wise in the ways of X forwarding with ssh into the pi? I can successfully connect via ssh but anything to do with x forwarding fails after the following: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Vyte4BZE
[11:43] <shiftplusone> Hix, you don't run 'startx'
[11:44] <shiftplusone> you run the applications you want to run
[11:44] <Jusii> and the X server is run on your local machine
[11:44] <Hix> can i not run the gui via x forward then?
[11:44] <Jusii> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ ssh -X raspberrypi -l pi
[11:44] <Jusii> ?
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[11:45] <Jusii> raspberrypi (127.0.1.1
[11:45] <Jusii> )
[11:45] <shiftplusone> Hix, you can run a gui... that' what x forwarding is for. What you can't do is run an x server inside an x server (which is what you're trying to do).
[11:46] <Hix> ah oki. I just wanted to get the pi gui up as I am at work and it is at home
[11:46] <chithead> xephyr, xnest, xf86-video-nested allow running X servers inside other X servers
[11:47] <Hix> k thx, i'll look them up
[11:47] <Jusii> you can start X on the pi locally remotely
[11:47] <shiftplusone> those aren't what you want
[11:48] <Jusii> but don't try to forward that, maybe: export DISPLAY=:0 ; startx
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[11:48] <shiftplusone> Hix, what do you want the gui for? What application do you want to run?
[11:49] <shiftplusone> you can run lxde-session (or was it lxsession? use tab completion to find something like that)
[11:49] <Hix> I've got a wireless dongle plugged in that I wanted to set up, I tried via terminal but it seemed to be set for WPA2 and I have WEP shared
[11:49] <shiftplusone> but that will try to run lxde INSIDE your current x session.
[11:50] <shiftplusone> the default gui tool is wpa_gui, I believe, so you can run that directly from ssh (with x forwarding.
[11:50] <shiftplusone> )
[11:50] <Hix> cool thank you
[11:51] <shiftplusone> I get the suspicion you want vnc rather than x forwarding
[11:52] <Hix> hmm good thinking I'll try
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[11:57] <Hix> doesn't appear to be set up or installed as standard, I assume tightvncserver will be fine for pi
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[12:23] <SKyd3R> hi there
[12:23] <SKyd3R> is there any ADA compiler for ARM?
[12:25] <LilSnoop4> hello, if i did a clean install of an OS on my ATV 1... a) why would HD movies have NO sound but all other sound works and b) why can i connect online with the internal wifi but if i plug a dongle in it works? Thanks
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[12:26] <SKyd3R> I didn't understand the second question
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[12:26] <SKyd3R> the first one seems to a be a codec issue
[12:26] <SKyd3R> mby try VLC
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[12:30] <LilSnoop4> sKyd3R - should why can't i connect using the internal wifi but if i plug an a dongle in it connects. sorry
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[12:32] <pksato> LilSnoop4: thta is ATV 1?
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[12:32] <LilSnoop4> yes, i just now see i may be asking in the wrong channel. its running openeled 3.2.3
[12:32] <LilSnoop4> openelec
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[12:41] <SKyd3R> so nothing to do, I guess
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[12:49] <pablohn> hi all :)
[12:49] <shiftplusone> hey
[12:49] <pablohn> I am trying to install this http://rpitc.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/rpi-tc-armv6j-release-4-available.html
[12:49] <pablohn> first time I am working with a Raspberry-Pi
[12:50] <pablohn> what are the SD requeriments? (filesystem, booting option,SD card type,etc)
[12:50] <pablohn> I format the SD Card, I create a FAT32 system and write the .img file
[12:50] <shiftplusone> pablohn, with the link you've given, you write the disk image on the sd card and you don't have to worry about any of that
[12:51] <shiftplusone> no
[12:51] <Jusii> known 'supported' sdcard, fat32
[12:51] <Jusii> no you just write the .img
[12:51] <pablohn> without filesystem?
[12:51] <shiftplusone> what OS are you using?
[12:51] <pablohn> Fedora
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[12:51] <Jusii> image includes fs
[12:51] <shiftplusone> pablohn, the disk image includes the partitions table and everything
[12:51] <pablohn> ok, maybe that is my problem :)
[12:51] <shiftplusone> hence "disk image" and no "partition image" or anything like that.
[12:52] <Jusii> and you don't copy that image to sdcard, dd it
[12:52] <Jusii> direct to device
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[12:52] <pablohn> I am doing with "Disk" utility
[12:53] <pablohn> if not work, I will try with dd Jusii :)
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[12:54] <shiftplusone> don't forget to make sure the disk is not mounted and 'sync' afterwards
[12:54] <pablohn> oh, I have to use dd because the Disk program do not make me able to recover without a fs inside
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[12:56] <shiftplusone> dd is the simplest way
[12:56] <shiftplusone> or at least most guaranteed to work with the least headache
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[12:57] <pablohn> shiftplusone, how do I make the "sync"?
[12:57] <shiftplusone> you type sync and press enter
[12:57] <pablohn> ok :)
[12:57] <shiftplusone> (after the dd)
[12:58] <pablohn> I was using the disk utility because it has a progress bar, speed info, etc
[12:59] <pablohn> and the "recovery" utility inside it make the same img than dd
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[13:02] <shiftplusone> If you need to feel like it's doing something, you can look here until it's done =P http://www.ajaxload.info/cache/FF/FF/FF/00/00/00/1-0.gif
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[13:05] <nid0> I need a bigger nas :(
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[13:05] <shiftplusone> or less/smaller files
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[13:06] <nid0> that would be the cheaper option yes
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[13:09] <SKyd3R> is there any way I can complie ADA code for the RPi?
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[13:10] <shiftplusone> I would imagine the same way as you would on the desktop, but I haven't checked.
[13:10] <shiftplusone> it's not in the repo?
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[13:12] <SKyd3R> I want to compile it in my desktop, with the arm flag
[13:12] <shiftplusone> ah
[13:12] <SKyd3R> smth like this: $ gcc -c -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s hello_world.adb
[13:13] <SKyd3R> but -mcpu is a deprecated option
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[13:13] <shiftplusone> gcc does ada?
[13:13] <shiftplusone> If that's the case, just use one of the gcc toolchains for cross-compiling.
[13:13] <SKyd3R> it does
[13:14] <shiftplusone> If you can send me some sample code, I could check if it works the way I think it does.
[13:14] <shiftplusone> actually, nvrm, there's google >.>
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[13:14] <pablohn> thanks to all, it is working :)
[13:14] <SKyd3R> with Ada.Text_IO; use Ada.Text_IO;
[13:14] <SKyd3R> procedure Hello is
[13:14] <SKyd3R> begin
[13:14] <SKyd3R> Put_Line ("Hello, world!");
[13:14] <SKyd3R> end Hello;
[13:14] <SKyd3R> hello.adb (END)
[13:14] <SKyd3R> hello world
[13:14] <SKyd3R> haha
[13:16] <shiftplusone> what's your main OS?
[13:16] <SKyd3R> Debian
[13:17] <SKyd3R> (crunchbang, but is a Debian after all)
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> there is a native Ada compiler for the Pi from what I recall.
[13:17] <shiftplusone> Is gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf in the repo?
[13:17] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, he doesn't want native.
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> I think they ported wiringPi to it too.
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[13:17] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, yea, shame. one of the main points of the Pi was that it could be used for devleopment.
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> unlike e.g. arduino which needed x-compilers, etc.
[13:18] <shiftplusone> ah, damn "arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: error: hello.adb: Ada compiler not installed on this system"
[13:18] <SKyd3R> damn :(
[13:18] <shiftplusone> might have to roll your own with crosstools-ng
[13:18] <SKyd3R> happens the same with another compiler
[13:19] <shiftplusone> I'll give compiling a compiler a go
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[13:23] <SKyd3R> I'm taking a look at the crosstool alternative
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[13:32] <shiftplusone> SKyd3R, well, the ada option is available in menuconfig, so that's promising.
[13:33] <shiftplusone> I think the tricky part is finding a combination of gcc, libc and binutils versions that work well and then tweaking the parameters of the compiler so that everything is optimized for the pi.
[13:34] <SKyd3R> ok
[13:34] <SKyd3R> thank you shiftplusone
[13:34] <SKyd3R> I'll figure it out!!
[13:35] <shiftplusone> the config the arch folks are using http://archlinuxarm.org/mirror/development/ct-ng/xtools-dotconfig-v6 (I would use it as a starting point)
[13:36] <SKyd3R> wgetet
[13:36] <SKyd3R> :)
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[13:38] <SKyd3R> well, that's enough for an empty stomach, gonna eat smth
[13:38] <SKyd3R> see you later
[13:38] <shiftplusone> have fun
[13:38] <SKyd3R> and thanks a lot :)
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[14:07] <chris_99> http://www.fuze.co.uk/product/the-fuze-case-component-kit-for-raspberry-pi-pre-order/
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm Fuze BASIC :-)
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/11/review_raspberry_pi_fuze_case_and_kit/
[14:15] <chris_99> haha
[14:15] <chris_99> awesome
[14:16] <chris_99> it's your BASIC interpreter right? :)
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> Yup!
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> full of lovely basic goodness.
[14:18] <malcom2073> Lol wow
[14:19] <malcom2073> When they were talking about springclips, I was half expecting to see a raspberry pi attached to one of those old electronic kits with all the components and spring clips to hold wires
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I think I remember those...
[14:20] <malcom2073> http://www.quasarelectronics.co.uk/media/ecom/prodxl/30-in-1-electronic-project-lab-mx-903.jpg
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> but it just has an ordinary breadboard with a gpio expander port brought out.
[14:20] <malcom2073> Yeah, slight dissapointment :P But still a nifty idea
[14:20] <Davespice> I remember something similar to that which had logic gates on it
[14:21] <malcom2073> http://www.quasarelectronics.co.uk/Item/130-in-1-electronic-projects-lab-kit-maxitronix-elenco-mx-906
[14:21] <malcom2073> ^^ logic gates
[14:21] <gates> :o
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> the stuff I had used nuts & bolts to wire stuff up - had transsitors, etc. on plastic bases.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> the school stuff was similar, but you pushed the plastic bases with the components on onto spring loaded posts then secured them with wires to other components.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> this was > 30 years back... almost 40...
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> wonder what happened to it all.
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[14:25] <Davespice> malcom2073: yeah those!
[14:27] <malcom2073> I'm amazed, you can still buy them, that's fairly awesome
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> can't keep a good thing down!
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[14:30] <gordonDrogon> just like BASIC :-)
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[14:31] <pwillard> Basic? I thought thta faded away... like Pascal.
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[14:32] <gordonDrogon> basic's still going strong, and the good pascal programmers re-learned Ada and now write rocket programs.
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> although they still teach Pascal in some schools in the UK.
[14:33] <pwillard> Yeah, I always liked ADA
[14:34] <pwillard> I just read that there is an ADA package for MSP430 programming... so I guess it still lives...
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> I'm told it's Ada - as in Ada Lovelace not an acronym ...
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> There is Ada for the Pi too.
[14:35] <pwillard> Ah... I'm great for getting things wrong.
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[14:35] <gordonDrogon> me too ..
[14:35] <pwillard> huh... did not know... nice
[14:36] <pwillard> I spent many years writing in TurboPascal... and TurboBasic as well. So saying that, I feel like a dinosaur.
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> one of my summer jobs was writing a load of Pascal code - UCSD Pascal on an Apple II ...
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> it was a computer aided learning package for one of the local hospitals.
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[14:41] <pwillard> My favorite pascal app was a tool called HELPME that emulated VAX-VMS HELP system but on MS-DOS.
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[14:44] <Sonny_Jim> Nowt wrong with BASIC, apart from GOTO's that is
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, modern BASICS don't need gotos.
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> my basic makes it impossible to use goto/gosub too, if you use the editor (no line numbers)
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> (and no "labels" eithe)
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> However, there are goto's in the Linux kernel :)
[14:46] <Sonny_Jim> Error handling?
[14:46] <Sonny_Jim> I think that's about the only situation where it's 'permissable'
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> just easy to get out of deeply nested if, etc.
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> There is a post by Linus on the subject - basically says don't be afraid to use them if you need to.
[14:47] <Sonny_Jim> The Pi can only act as a SPI slave, correct?
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> no
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> master only.
[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> Oh ok
[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> That's good for me
[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> Remember the Pi SNES thing I was doing
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> yes...
[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> Turns out that Playstation 2 controllers use SPI
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[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> ah dang it, I need it to act as a slave
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[14:49] <gordonDrogon> what frequency do they run the clock at?
[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> 500KHz I think
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> probably too high to reliably poll.
[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> Can be as low as 100Hz if you just want to talk to the controller though
[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> *100KHz
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> SPI isn't usually bi-directional in that respect.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> one side drives the clock - you never swap clock sides.
[14:50] <pwillard> SPI has dedicated directions... MOSI MISO
[14:50] <pwillard> master always supplies clocking.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> sure - but only one side drives the clock.
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> unless it's some whacky variation...
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[14:58] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, looking for another project to mess around with
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[14:58] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe a Playstation memory card reader
[14:58] <pwillard> SPI is a simple protocol... Just data and clock... you can certainly "bit bang" a solution that runs the way you need.
[14:59] <Sonny_Jim> Well, what I wanted to do was emulate a playstation 2 controller, but I need the Pi to be an SPI slave for that
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> it's not easy to bit-bang a slave on the Pi though - too many things causing latency to miss a high-speed clock edge.
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> for master mode, just use the hardware/kernel driver.
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[16:30] <battlecattle> Does anyone know of an archive of older Raspbian .img files?
[16:31] <shiftplusone> battlecattle, http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/ ?
[16:31] <battlecattle> well that was to dimple
[16:31] <battlecattle> simple
[16:31] <battlecattle> thanks
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[16:36] <shiftplusone> np
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[17:04] <Nefarious___> shiftplusone, Davespice: online and working :D
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[17:05] * Davespice sets mode +o sourcebot
[17:05] <Davespice> alright, I've given it +o
[17:05] <Davespice> we're live :)
[17:05] <Nefarious___> shall I test?:O
[17:05] <Davespice> yeah, but without using any profanity in the main channel please
[17:05] <Nefarious___> !addbadword 12345
[17:06] <sourcebot> Nefarious___: Badword added
[17:06] <Nefarious___> 12345
[17:06] <Nefarious___> 12345
[17:06] * Nefarious___ was kicked from #raspberrypi by sourcebot
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[17:06] <Davespice> there we go
[17:06] <Nefarious___> 12345
[17:06] * sourcebot sets mode +b Nefarious___!*@*
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[17:06] <IT_Sean>
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[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> !addbadword test
[17:07] <sourcebot> Sonny_Jim: You are not an Op
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> :-(
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[17:08] <Nefarious_`PC> lol
[17:08] * pwillard laughs a little
[17:08] <Nefarious_`PC> !removebadword 12345
[17:08] * sourcebot sets mode +b Nefarious_`PC!*@*
[17:08] <sourcebot> Nefarious_`PC: You are not an Op
[17:09] <IT_Sean> Nefarious_`PC: I'm not sure how i feel about it banning
[17:09] <pwillard> oops
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[17:09] <IT_Sean> Kicking is fine, but, instead of banning, can it just notify channel staff?
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[17:10] <pwillard> it is a rather unforgiving whack... like Thor's Hammer!
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[17:11] * Nefarious_______ is not amused
[17:12] <Nefarious_______> lol
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[17:14] <pwillard> It seems there might be a self inflicted foot wound...
[17:14] <Nefarious_> yeah
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[17:22] * IT_Sean sets mode -b Nefarious_`PC!*@*
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[17:23] * IT_Sean sets mode -b Nefarious___!*@*
[17:23] <Nefarious_> thank you :)
[17:23] <IT_Sean> Nefarious_: there.
[17:23] <IT_Sean> You are welcome
[17:23] <IT_Sean> Next time, i'm leaving you on there. :p
[17:23] <Nefarious_> lol. thanks again!
[17:24] * IT_Sean nods
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[18:42] <Davespice> !removebadword 12345
[18:42] <sourcebot> Davespice: Badword doesn't exist
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> !bot?
[18:47] <Nefarious___> Dacespice:already removed it
[18:47] <Nefarious___> !give gordonDrogon bot
[18:47] <sourcebot> gordonDrogon: try !help for help with my commands
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[18:48] <gordonDrogon> !help
[18:49] <IT_Sean> !help
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> !commands
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[18:50] <IT_Sean> so... basically... it kicks people who say bad words?
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[18:52] <Nefarious___> no... I can't tell if you're being sarcastic lol
[18:52] <IT_Sean> Only half.
[18:53] * Nefarious___ is partially relieved
[18:54] <Nefarious___> main three areas are: quotes, badwords and memos. but theres still room for development
[18:54] <IT_Sean> 10-4
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[19:02] <pepijndevos> I remember reading the audio jack shares gpio pins. which ones, and why?
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[19:03] <pepijndevos> and do all pins support interrupts?
[19:04] <Sonny_Jim> I don't think the audio jack uses GPIO
[19:04] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[19:04] <Sonny_Jim> All pins support interrupts
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[19:06] <pepijndevos> Someone said something about noise on some pins with audio playing
[19:07] <Sonny_Jim> Someone said something is terrifically vague
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[19:08] <pepijndevos> I know. I'm just worried. No more details
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[19:09] <Sonny_Jim> You mean noise on the GPIO pins?
[19:09] <pepijndevos> So can I just use spio and i2c pins as gpio?
[19:09] <Sonny_Jim> Probably just a bad earth
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[19:09] <pepijndevos> ok...
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[19:10] <Sonny_Jim> The only limitation that I know of is that hardware PWM is only available on one pin
[19:11] <pepijndevos> ok
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[19:12] <yoshimoto> hi
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[19:13] <yoshimoto> i have a raspberry pi connected to my tv via HDMI and i'm trying to play a vlc stream via http
[19:13] <yoshimoto> anyone has something like that working?
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[19:14] <Sonny_Jim> What's the particular problem?
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> pepijndevos, the Audio jack uses 2 gpio pins, but they're not ones on the P1 connector.
[19:15] <yoshimoto> omxplayer http://192.168.1.233:8080
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> however the functions are shared with the PWM engine.
[19:15] <yoshimoto> that makes my tv screen flash a nothing happens
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[19:16] <Sonny_Jim> yoshimoto: Does it work with a normal vlc client?
[19:16] <yoshimoto> yes
[19:16] <yoshimoto> i have one pc connected, one mac at the same time
[19:16] <yoshimoto> now i'm trying with the pi
[19:16] <Sonny_Jim> Does omxplayer support http streams?
[19:16] <pksato> yoshimoto: that codecs are used to encode stream?
[19:17] <pepijndevos> gordonDrogon, so I cant piay music and use the pwm?
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> pepijndevos, nope.
[19:17] <yoshimoto> what codec should i use?
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> pepijndevos, unless you're playing music via the HDMI port.
[19:17] <pepijndevos> ok
[19:18] <pksato> h264 is preferable.
[19:18] <yoshimoto> h264 / mp4
[19:20] <yoshimoto> it sais "have a nice day ;)"
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[19:38] <yoshimoto> ERROR: COMXPlayer::OpenFile - avformat_open_input
[19:38] <yoshimoto> that's the end of the log file
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[20:50] <drobban_> Im trying to find out the class'es that are available in standard library in c++ and how to use them. I have not worked with c++ for more then 1 or 2 days, but I have a lot of experience in C, is there a book or a site you guys can recommend me to take look at?
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[20:51] <rcassidy> drobban_: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/
[20:51] <pepijndevos> what's a nice way to play music using Python? Or otherwise control a player with gpio?
[20:52] <drobban_> did not get a good feeling from that site. But I'll take another look at it. Perhaps I was to fast to dismiss the site
[20:52] <rcassidy> drobban_: i've found it tends to be pretty good
[20:53] <Nefarious_`PC> try #python
[20:53] <drobban_> oh well. the page you refrenced is in fact pretty good. thank you
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[20:53] <rcassidy> np!
[20:53] <chandoo> hi
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[20:54] <rcassidy> if you have lots of experience in C, it shouldn't be so bad, but i'm sure you're aware of how notoriously frustrating c++ can be
[20:54] <chandoo> how to install openelec, i have it on my sdcard but some you tube videos are not working, so thinking of updating with latest openelec, i did install it before but forgot how to do that
[20:54] <Nefarious_`PC> rcassidy: i dont find it frustrating :P python is much more frustrating
[20:54] <Nefarious_`PC> much much more
[20:55] <rcassidy> Nefarious_`PC: to each their own! i'm a lisp guy, so...
[20:55] <rcassidy> :p
[20:55] <Nefarious_`PC> rcassidy: i guess ;) depends on what you started with, i think
[20:55] <rcassidy> technically i think the first language i learned in a classroom was java
[20:56] <rcassidy> learned originally at home with my dad's HTML 3 or 4 handbook or something writing silly pages
[20:56] <IT_Sean> the first language i learned was english... you weirdo! :p
[20:56] <Jusii> chandoo: you should be able to update it just by rebooting it, if you have enabled automatic updates
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[20:56] <rcassidy> but yeah, got indoctrinated into the functional programming cult at university
[20:56] <chandoo> Jusii:-} where to enable automatic updates?
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> Oh what was it I was using recently that drove me up the wall
[20:57] <rcassidy> lol IT_Sean
[20:57] <chandoo> i didn't destroy existing installation yet
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> Oh yeah
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> Lua
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> Lua can kiss my proverbial
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> BASIC all the way...
[20:59] <rcassidy> i'm still meaning to pick up clojure
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[21:00] <Sonny_Jim> I haven't used many languages, I know BASIC and a little bit of C, but rapidly coming around to liking strongly typed languages (if that's the right word)
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[21:01] <Nefarious_`PC> i still need to learn python properly, i'm managing to do projects with minimal effort, an awful habit :L
[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> I least with that I know what a variable and what a keyword is without having to look it up
[21:01] <rcassidy> Sonny_Jim: yep that's the right word!
[21:02] <chandoo> if i delete all the files on sdcard and copy from zip file is it going to work?
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[21:02] <Nefarious_`PC> can anyone recommend a decent IRC client? Hydra IRC is not particularly good :P
[21:03] <Nefarious_`PC> but yaaic on android is the best
[21:03] <Nefarious_`PC> imho
[21:04] <Sonny_Jim> ha
[21:04] <Sonny_Jim> I actually know the author of HydraIRC
[21:04] <Sonny_Jim> IRL that is, both me and him work on a pinball related project
[21:05] <Sonny_Jim> What is it that you don't like about it?
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[21:05] <Nefarious_`PC> here is the list:
[21:05] <pepijndevos> how can i run a script at boot?
[21:05] <pepijndevos> rasbian
[21:06] <karl-s> pepijndevos, like this? http://www.raspberry-projects.com/pi/pi-operating-systems/raspbian/auto-running-programs
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[21:06] <Sonny_Jim> Nefarious_`PC: I've been using irssi for years now, can't really fault it but then I'm not exactly a power IRC user
[21:06] <Nefarious_`PC> you can't add favourite servers to the side bar, everything is cramped with all the sidebars, it seems like windows XP (:P) buttons are too small, the windows could be arranged better... the list goes on
[21:07] <Nefarious_`PC> Sonny_Jim: i'll have a look
[21:07] <pepijndevos> ty
[21:07] <Sonny_Jim> Nefarious_`PC: Ah, well irssi is CLI so you probably won't like it
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[21:08] <Nefarious_`PC> looks pretty cool
[21:08] <Sonny_Jim> Can be a bit of a pig to get setup
[21:08] <Nefarious_`PC> http://www.yaaic.org/screenshots/
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[21:10] <Nefarious_`PC> Sonny_Jim: oh, my main PC is on windows
[21:10] <Nefarious_`PC> so no unix shell
[21:12] <pksato> http://www.irssi.org/files/irssi-win32-0.8.12.exe
[21:13] <Nefarious_`PC> oh
[21:13] <rcassidy> irssi on windows? woh
[21:13] <rcassidy> woah
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[21:15] <pksato> courtesy of cygwin.
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[21:18] <Sonny_Jim> irssi is one of those unix apps that once you get used to it and get it setup the way you want, you end up using it for years
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[21:19] <pksato> and forget how to setup. :)
[21:20] <clever> yep
[21:20] * IT_Sean uses irssi on his chromebook
[21:20] <clever> ive sometimes had it running for years, without a restart
[21:21] <IT_Sean> Years? really? With ZERO interruption?
[21:21] <clever> ive made it do some crazy things, for example, F5 makes it say . in a certain room in a certain channel
[21:21] <IT_Sean> I find that hard to believe
[21:21] <clever> which triggers the old highlight scripts on my other pc to stop making noise
[21:22] <clever> IT_Sean: yeah, atleast one year before
[21:22] <Jusii> technically you can even upgrade irssi without disconnecting
[21:22] <clever> right now i'm just nearing a month, there was a 3 hour power outage back in oct
[21:22] <clever> Jusii: yep
[21:22] <clever> 16:22:26 up 23 days, 19:11, 16 users, load average: 0.02, 0.11, 0.16
[21:22] <Jusii> funny pts/5 S+ 2012 73:58 irssi
[21:23] <clever> thats what i mean! :D
[21:23] <Sonny_Jim> I think I did 300 odd days with it once
[21:23] <Jusii> up 588 days (yeah, stupid, no updated kernel running...)
[21:23] <Sonny_Jim> Hah that reminds me
[21:23] <Sonny_Jim> It only had to be rebooted after a slice of RAM had fallen out of the server
[21:24] <clever> Jusii: you can apply kernel updates without rebooting
[21:24] <Sonny_Jim> The funny part was, it carried on working for about a day until cron ran something and run out of memory
[21:24] <clever> lol
[21:24] <IT_Sean> I tired to do a full year, once, on my desktop.
[21:24] <clever> Sonny_Jim: ive got a windows computer with some flaky ram
[21:24] <IT_Sean> Accidentally authorized a software update on day 362.
[21:24] <clever> it runs fine for years
[21:24] <clever> then if i move it, the ram gets unseated slightly
[21:24] <IT_Sean> :(
[21:25] <clever> then it runs fine for days, and bluescreens
[21:25] <clever> but if i reseat the ram, its fixed for another decade
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> 20:24:55 up 858 days, 22:06, 7 users, load average: 0.10, 0.10, 0.09
[21:25] <Nefarious___> omg
[21:25] <Nefarious___> 858 days?
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> that's nothing though.
[21:25] <Jusii> actually irssi has been running since march 24 2012
[21:25] <Jusii> 600 days
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> 20:25:42 up 1843 days, 23:31, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[21:25] <Nefarious___> ...
[21:26] <clever> gordonDrogon: router?
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[21:26] <Nefarious___> 5 years?
[21:26] <clever> gordonDrogon: i can tell by the load avg, i had the same thing on mine
[21:26] <Jusii> ah, since april 5
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> yes. I have a pair running in HA mode.
[21:27] <clever> Jusii: have a look at www.ksplice.com
[21:27] <Jusii> yeah, but I could actually just reboot or even should
[21:27] <Gadget-Mac> Nice rack of Pi http://artica.cc/blog/2013/11/07/fm-stream-tech-report.html
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> Ah, uptimes. The bragging right for Linux nerds for years
[21:28] <clever> Jusii: but then your website is offline for a minute!, oh no!!!
[21:28] <clever> Sonny_Jim: i put winblows into standby last night, never gave it permission to update
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> :)
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> Have you heard the one about the print server that was literally lost
[21:28] <Nefarious_`PC> is keeping a laptop running + battery + mains 24/7 a bad idea?
[21:28] <clever> then this morning, within minutes of waking it, it demanded to reboot
[21:28] <clever> and wouldnt shut up!
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[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> Contractors had put up a false wall and no one could find it
[21:28] <pksato> I need more fast pendrive, this my 8GB sandisk take 'days' to write 1.5GB. (235KB/s)
[21:28] <clever> Sonny_Jim: lol, nice
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[21:30] <circuit> hey i cant seem to find the minimum required specs for an SD card in order to load an image on the pi?
[21:30] <circuit> anyone know?
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> circuit, class 4, 2GB
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[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> Isn't 2GB too small now?
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> circuit, but get a class 6, 4GB if you can.
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian will still run in 2GB - just.
[21:31] <circuit> i currently have a class 4(im almost positive) 4GB sandisk
[21:31] <circuit> and pidora will not work
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> Nefarious_`PC: Laptops continously on mains doesn't do the battery any good, apparently
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> Kills the battery after a while, but that might be an old wives tale
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[21:33] <gordonDrogon> it's to do with heat - so most peopel say.
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[21:35] <clever> i had a laptop with an extra large battery, lasted for several hours at first
[21:35] <clever> one day i unplug it and take it to another room, and within 5 minutes 'low battery!'
[21:35] <Sonny_Jim> Yup
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[21:35] <clever> then i scramble to find the standby command in linux :P
[21:35] <Sonny_Jim> My laptop now falls into the 'luggable' category because of that
[21:36] <clever> it probly doesnt help that i use it like a desktop pc, and only ever unplug it to irc from the bathroom :P
[21:36] <IT_Sean> eeeeeeeew
[21:36] <circuit> gordonDrogon: my pidora image will completely boot, but my keyboard will not work when i am asked to enter my username and password
[21:36] <circuit> is that my SD card perhaps?
[21:36] <pksato> Li-Ion batt can not stored at 100% charge. It happens of continously on mains.
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[21:36] <Nefarious_`PC> the only reason i would have the battery in is as a backup supply
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> circuit, try another keyboard?
[21:37] <Nefarious_`PC> as i'd be using it as a webserver
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[21:37] <gordonDrogon> I have zero experience of pidora though. zero experience of anything in the hat department..
[21:37] <circuit> it's not my keyboard because I have tested other SD cards and they worked flawlessly
[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> Well, in other words the keyboard works
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> easy solution then - stick an sd card that works.
[21:38] <circuit> yeah the keyboard is fine
[21:38] <Sonny_Jim> I've heard of this problem, very vague memories of it
[21:38] <pksato> replug keyboard.
[21:38] <Sonny_Jim> Can you ssh in and see what dmesg has to say about it?
[21:39] <taza> Sonny_Jim: It's an old wives tale for modern batteries
[21:39] <circuit> Sonny_Jim: that's a good idea
[21:39] <circuit> 1 sec
[21:39] <taza> Sonny_Jim: If it keeps continously trickle charging - or worse, straight up charging - it'll kill it, but modern batteries don't start recharging until the battery's at 90%.
[21:41] <taza> So it'll be from 100% to 80% charge in 2min - or at least it looks like it.
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[21:43] <XMLnewbi> man im having such a headach trying to get this rpi to scan qr codes with a webcam
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[21:43] <Sonny_Jim> Isn't there an example included?
[21:43] <XMLnewbi> zbarcam apears to be the only software that can do it from video
[21:44] <XMLnewbi> and its crap
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[21:44] <XMLnewbi> sometimes it works, sometimes it sits with a red box for hours with a perfect picture
[21:45] <XMLnewbi> I have 3 pi's, one seems to run it better then the rest
[21:45] <XMLnewbi> insanity
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[21:50] <Nefarious_`PC> i really want to make a multi-rack of rpis. shame i'll likely never do it lol. and the inefficiency
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[21:52] <rikkib> I have six here, one with a broken usb socket.
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[21:53] <rikkib> Must get brave enough to replace it with the one of the spares I bought.
[21:53] <chandoo> hi
[21:54] <rikkib> lo
[21:54] <rikkib> logical
[21:54] <chandoo> i had installed openelec 3.2.3, now my wifi is not working
[21:54] <chandoo> no matter how many times i enter the passphrase it doesn't wokr
[21:54] <chandoo> i connected via ssh into rpi, is there a file i can update the setting manually for wifi settings
[21:55] <chandoo> ?
[21:55] <chandoo> any help is appreciated
[21:56] * rikkib has no experience with wifi apart from following instructions
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[22:01] <ghoti> So ... I'd like to plug a number of USB devices into a Pi, so I'll use a powered hub. Is it safe to power the Pi from the same hub that's plugged in to the Pi's USB-A port?
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[22:02] <clever> ghoti: yes
[22:02] <clever> chandoo: /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[22:03] <chandoo> no such directory under /etc
[22:03] <clever> chandoo: then you need to first install wpa_supplicant
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[22:04] <chandoo> how
[22:04] <chandoo> i am on ssh now
[22:04] <Nefarious_`PC> it would be so awesome to have a raspberry pi RAID like server
[22:04] <clever> sudo apt-get install wpa_supplicant
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[22:05] <clever> that works! :D
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[22:05] <chandoo> clever:-} no apt-get i am on openelec
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[22:06] <clever> chandoo: dont know then
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[22:08] <chandoo> clever:-} thanks for comments
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[22:09] <Sonny_Jim> IT_Sean: Good job my nick isn't Glass
[22:09] <clever> Sonny_Jim: i was thinking similar thing
[22:09] <clever> s
[22:09] <Sonny_Jim> or pass
[22:09] <Sonny_Jim> etc
[22:09] <clever> yep
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[22:11] <clever> anybody here have experience with the video decode api's?
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[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> oh no
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> I've just realised I've got to do some string handling with C
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[22:14] <clever> Sonny_Jim: ive been working on stuff thats evey more complex
[22:14] <chandoo> clever:-} which xbmc you are using on rpi
[22:14] <clever> h264 bitstream data, in c!
[22:14] <clever> chandoo: not using xbmc
[22:15] <chandoo> okay i thought you are using as htpc to tv
[22:15] <clever> i sometimes do
[22:15] <clever> but the subtitle support isnt very good
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, easy in C :)
[22:15] <clever> rather then rebuild a decent player from scratch, i'm just adding gpu support to a decent player
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[22:16] <clever> for a relatively small cost, i gain all the features
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[22:19] <Sonny_Jim> I'm working on something slightly quirky
[22:19] <Sonny_Jim> My plan is to modify the Quake3 server source so it has an IRC client
[22:19] <Sonny_Jim> So if you join a particular channel, it'll spawn a bot
[22:20] <Sonny_Jim> To kick someone from the channel, you kill their respective bot in the game
[22:20] <clever> lol
[22:20] <Sonny_Jim> Inspired by PidDoom
[22:20] <clever> what if you kill the IT_Sean by mistake? :P
[22:20] <Sonny_Jim> That was the thing with PidDoom
[22:20] <Nefarious___> you win ;)
[22:21] <Sonny_Jim> All processes are represented by enemies and it was possible to kill init
[22:21] <clever> :D
[22:21] <clever> did they have the command name over them?
[22:21] <clever> where you able to see which one was init?
[22:21] <Sonny_Jim> Dunno, never tried it
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[22:22] <Sonny_Jim> Sorry, PsDoom
[22:22] <Sonny_Jim> http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/
[22:22] <clever> explains why i had trouble finding it
[22:23] <clever> goal #5, lol
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[22:25] <AlanBell> anyone got any recommendations for 32GB SD cards?
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[22:27] <Sonny_Jim> Well, one tip I can give is to make sure it's actually a 32GB when you get it
[22:28] <Sonny_Jim> I've bought 8GB SD cards that have only been 2GB cards, modded to report as 8GB
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[22:28] <Sonny_Jim> When you go over 2GB, it loops around and trashes the filesystem
[22:28] <AlanBell> yeah, I have heard of those too
[22:28] <Sonny_Jim> I've seen those in the flesh
[22:29] <Sonny_Jim> or plastic rather
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[22:31] <AlanBell> looking at the performance tables it is a bit all over the place, might have to get several and test them
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> save your time - just get a branded one - class 6.
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> that max the Pi can drive it at is 20MB/sec anyway.
[22:33] * [Saint] nods
[22:33] <AlanBell> yeah, but looking http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards it is a bit more complicated than that
[22:34] <[Saint]> ideally, you don't want the root filesystem on an sd anyway.
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[22:34] <AlanBell> I know the pi maxes out around 20, I have some cards that will do that
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[22:34] <AlanBell> [Saint]: USB attached storage?
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> AlanBell, it looks complicated - but just get a decent one - not a cheap one.
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> ie. not off ebay, but from somewhere reputable.
[22:35] <AlanBell> yeah, looking on ebuyer
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> 18 months in, 5 Pi's and not lost an SD card yet.
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> (due to them failing - I have lost them due to crashes and early days hacking/dodgy drivers :)
[22:36] <[Saint]> Oh, neither. But I have had a fair few corrupt filesystems.
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> but a reimage was ok.
[22:36] <AlanBell> 30 pis in production, lost a couple. now using SLC cards for those ones, which are supposed to be more reliable
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm. getting late. bread to make.
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[22:37] <AlanBell> basically the 4GB version of this we are using http://www.innodisk.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?SUQwMT0wMDEmSUQwMj1mMWI1YjZmZC01N2RjLTQ4OWItYTAwYy1jYWM5NmM3NjdiM2QmSUQwMz0mSUQ9MDQ3NmU4YWEtMzEzYS00ZWI3LWI0YWYtNDQyZmVmMWM5NGY5JmRmbF9JRD0wMDU%3D
[22:38] <AlanBell> but now I need some bigger storage for a different project
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[22:39] <clever> gordonDrogon: its also usefull to have a look at http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918
[22:39] <clever> tons of neat info
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[22:40] <jamesbond-4711> hi
[22:40] <AlanBell> [Saint]: how would you attach the storage?
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[22:41] <[Saint]> USB.
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[22:41] <AlanBell> done any performance testing of that?
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[22:42] <jamesbond-4711> I am thinking about buying a Raspberry Pi
[22:42] <[Saint]> Its no different, really. The raspi has a limit that both sd and USB can far exceed.
[22:42] <jamesbond-4711> my question: Can I access the dvd drive of a remote computer (on my WiFi network of course) to play a video dvd from there on the raspberry pi?
[22:43] <[Saint]> But USB attached storage seems to be, for me, a lot more reliable.
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[22:43] <clever> jamesbond-4711: i dont know of any programs that can share a dvd over the network, but once you rip the dvd to your disk, you can share that easily enough
[22:43] <clever> dont forget your pirate hat!
[22:44] <AlanBell> jamesbond-4711: VNC can share stuff over a network
[22:44] <AlanBell> VLC rather
[22:44] <AlanBell> well both, but different things :)
[22:44] <jamesbond-4711> clever: is it not possible to mount the dvd drive with sshfs for example?
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[22:45] <ant_thomas> You can definitely mount a DVD drive via SMB
[22:45] <clever> jamesbond-4711: the encryption requires sending special commands to the drive to decrypt it
[22:45] <clever> and no network file system supports those
[22:45] <clever> but you might be able to unlock the disk by playing it directly on the machine with the dvd drive
[22:45] <clever> then share it over anything, once its unlocked
[22:45] <ant_thomas> Or just rip it to xvid/avi or h264/mp4/mkv
[22:46] <clever> linux players dont re-lock the drive upon exit
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[22:46] <jamesbond-4711> ant_thomas: yes, but that takes many hours on my pc :-(
[22:46] <clever> jamesbond-4711: dont re-encode, just rip it exactly as-is
[22:46] <jamesbond-4711> clever: how do I do that?
[22:46] <clever> windows or linux?
[22:46] <jamesbond-4711> linux
[22:46] <clever> cpdvd
[22:47] <ant_thomas> or that, just rip to mpeg2, remux it all
[22:47] <clever> http://www.lallafa.de/bp/cpdvd.html
[22:47] <clever> cpdvd just gives you a directory with the exact same files as the dvd, minus the encryption
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[22:48] <AlanBell> vlc will let you stream it and transcode it on the pc http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/ch02.html
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[22:48] <clever> requires more cpu power, to decode and re-encode in real time
[22:48] <jamesbond-4711> clever: cpdvd sounds like it's worth giving a try - thanks :)
[22:49] <jamesbond-4711> one more question: should the os for the pi be on an sdcard or on a usb stick? what is faster?
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[22:50] <sney> needs a sd card to boot, but usb stick for the rest is a good idea as it can be faster and is definitely more reliable
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[22:50] <jamesbond-4711> sney: but it cannot boot from usb?
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[22:50] <sney> correct
[22:50] <[Saint]> both sd and USB can far exceed what the pi can handle in throughput anyway.
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[22:51] <[Saint]> but I find having /root on USB is a lot more reliable.
[22:52] <sney> at least /home and/or /var depending on what you're doing
[22:52] <jamesbond-4711> clever: I cannot test it right now - is the result of cpdvd an .iso file?
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[22:52] <clever> jamesbond-4711: nope, a directory full of .vob files and others
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[22:53] <jamesbond-4711> clever: I would prefer an .iso file, is there another tool that produces that without much of a hassle?
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[22:53] <clever> jamesbond-4711: contains all chapters, and all the menu data
[22:53] <clever> why does it have to be iso?
[22:53] <jamesbond-4711> clever: it's just much nicer to have only one file
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[22:54] <clever> and i dont know of any player on the pi which can handle an iso
[22:54] <clever> .vob files may play, but not iso
[22:54] <jamesbond-4711> clever: I thought I could use vlc on the pi?
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[22:55] <clever> ive heard of that, but have never tried it yet
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[22:55] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6418149/ looks like with a fairly old 1GB usb stick the fancy new SD card beats it
[22:56] <jamesbond-4711> clever: Maybe I have a wrong expectation here... - I thought it was linux that one uses on the pi, so I did not even doubt that vlc would be a valid option.
[22:56] <AlanBell> huh?
[22:56] <clever> jamesbond-4711: it is linux, but the cpu is only ~700mhz, it would have trouble doing video decode on its own
[22:56] <clever> jamesbond-4711: you need a player that supports the GPU decode to get any performance out of it
[22:57] <linuxstb> I would expect xbmc to be able to play dvd images
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[22:57] <clever> linuxstb: in iso format?
[22:57] <jamesbond-4711> clever: thanks for this important information. which player is that and where can I check which video (and audio) formats it is able to play?
[22:58] <clever> jamesbond-4711: omxplayer is the main one
[22:58] <karl-s> jamesbond-4711, remember that an ISO is not a video file, it is an image of a CDFS filesystem that has video files
[22:58] <karl-s> you can always mount the ISO with mount -t loop
[22:58] <clever> -o loop actualy
[22:58] <karl-s> then play the actual video files within it
[22:58] <clever> the -t is still the cd filesystem
[22:58] <karl-s> clever, thank you, thats right...
[22:59] <karl-s> i keep thinking -t ext3 ....
[22:59] <linuxstb> clever: Yes. An "iso" file is simply a raw image of the disk, nothing magic.
[22:59] <clever> linuxstb: yep, but i dont believe you can image an encrypted dvd
[23:00] <linuxstb> Sure you can.
[23:00] <linuxstb> Although only by removing the encryption.
[23:01] <clever> once you unlock the disk, your able to just copy it with dd?
[23:01] <linuxstb> No, not dd. You need a dvd backup tool (i.e. something to do the decryption).
[23:01] <karl-s> DeCSS
[23:01] <clever> i thought that the drive itself did the decryption
[23:02] <clever> and only if you give the drive a special unlock dommand with the right keys
[23:02] <karl-s> there are actually a few mechanisms for DVD protection
[23:02] <AlanBell> no, that is region locking you are thinking of
[23:02] <clever> ah
[23:02] <AlanBell> or something blurayish
[23:02] <karl-s> the original is CSS which is encryption on the sectors that contain the VOB
[23:02] <clever> based on there location in the disk?
[23:02] <karl-s> there is also Macrovision (which i dont recall what it is right now)
[23:03] <linuxstb> Macrovision is something added by the dvd player on (analog) playback.
[23:03] <karl-s> All i recall is that you can always mount an encrypted dvd, but you may not be able to read the VOB files
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[23:03] <linuxstb> There's probably a flag on the disk which instructs the DVD player to do it.
[23:03] <clever> karl-s: yeah, some files and the FS metadata are in the clear
[23:03] <clever> but the vob sectors are encrypted
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[23:03] <karl-s> and of course they like to add in some bad sectors to stop a simple DD rip...
[23:04] <karl-s> *sometimes*
[23:04] <clever> ddrescue!
[23:04] <clever> which reminds me, i once had a windows xp system bluescreening on bootup
[23:04] <karl-s> not familiar with ddrescue, sounds interesting
[23:04] <clever> i used ddrescue to clone the disk, didnt fix the bad sector it skipped over
[23:04] <clever> and it booted like nothing was wrong in the first place
[23:05] <clever> so if a sector returns an error on bootup, it bluescreens
[23:05] <clever> but if the sector is just plain corrupt, it boots fine
[23:05] <clever> wtf?
[23:05] <karl-s> nice tool clever!
[23:05] <karl-s> would have saved me a few times in the past when DD takes 9+ hours to run and I just give up
[23:05] <clever> pv is another tool related to dd
[23:05] <clever> it shows progress and speed while copying
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[23:06] <clever> pv wont work with ddresue, since ddrescue needs seeking
[23:06] <clever> and pv is purely pipe based
[23:06] <karl-s> yea, pv is basically a pipe -> progress bar thingy
[23:06] <karl-s> you can also get progress from DD by doing kill -USR1 [pid-of-dd]
[23:07] <karl-s> in another terminal
[23:07] <clever> yep
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[23:09] <clever> bbl
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[23:25] <alusion> im formatted a 32gb sd card for raspberry pi
[23:25] <alusion> to install debian unto
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[23:25] <alusion> can i format 4gb of it as fat32 and rest ext4?
[23:27] <ShorTie> how are you gonna 'install debian' to it ??
[23:28] <ShorTie> if you use the raspbian image it will 'repartition' it's own way
[23:29] <alusion> ima use noobs
[23:29] <ShorTie> any specific reason ??
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[23:30] <ShorTie> just writing the image to the card is better, imho
[23:30] <sney> the hifi installer is also a good option
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[23:31] <alusion> can you link me to a recommended way
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[23:32] <sney> the raspbian image is on the raspberrypi.org downloads page, just scroll down past noobs
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[23:32] <sney> the hifi installer is on github, just google 'raspbian hifi netinst' and it should be the top result
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[23:33] <alusion> i have model A
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[23:34] <sney> ok, so if you don't have a usb network device, the raspbian image is your best option
[23:35] <ShorTie> with os is on the pc that you are going to use to put image on card ??
[23:35] <alusion> im running debian
[23:36] <sney> cat raspbian-whatever.img > /dev/sdX
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[23:36] <sney> where sdX is your flash drive, usually b or c
[23:36] <alusion> do I format whole SD as fat32
[23:36] <alusion> it's a 32gb sd card
[23:37] <sney> you don't format anything
[23:37] <sney> you write the image to the card, using cat
[23:37] <sney> it contains its own partition table and filesystem
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[23:38] <alusion> oh
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[23:38] <alusion> I have my SD open in gparted
[23:38] <sney> close it
[23:38] <alusion> should I just leave it unallocated?
[23:38] <sney> yes
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[23:38] <alusion> the whole operating system...is just a file
[23:39] <alusion> Debian dude.
[23:39] <sney> it's an image. like an iso
[23:39] <sney> there's nothing magic here. just data.
[23:39] <alusion> oh
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[23:39] <alusion> ok
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[23:41] <freaksken> Does anyone know of a good way to stream music (and possibly other data) from a raspi to an android device?
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[23:42] <freaksken> oh, and not through dlna, I need it non-local
[23:42] <Peetz0r> Hi! How long would a Pi work with a battery like this: http://dx.com/p/rechargeable-3-output-mode-1500mah-li-ion-emergency-power-battery-73775
[23:43] <taza> Nobody has an answer for you
[23:43] <Peetz0r> I suppose I'' just have to order it and try?
[23:44] <taza> The reason why nobody can answer that is because DX gear is... uh...
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[23:44] <sney> inconsistent
[23:44] <freaksken> dodgy
[23:44] <taza> Yeah, that's the word
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[23:44] <Peetz0r> Hey, I have a dx.com barrery with a amplifier and speakers and that battery lasts forever
[23:44] <Peetz0r> (but that's mostly because the amp in there uses near-nothing)
[23:44] <sney> but the real answer is, even if the battery is fine (and it might be fine), nobody knows because power usage depends heavily on what you're doing with the device
[23:44] <taza> Yeah, that's why "inconsistent" is the word
[23:44] <sney> so it's still just "Try it and see"
[23:45] <Peetz0r> let's say idle
[23:45] <Peetz0r> but I'll order one and try
[23:45] <Peetz0r> but not soon
[23:45] <taza> It can range from "exactly as advertised" to "power dips randomly causing the Pi to reboot"
[23:45] <ShorTie> and trash the fs
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[23:45] <Peetz0r> let's ask it this way, how much power does a Pi use when idle-ish (assuming a regular stable power supply)?
[23:46] <taza> Well it never uses over 750mA
[23:46] <Peetz0r> ShorTie: oh, I'll carry spare sd-cards if I have to :p
[23:46] <sney> Peetz0r: always a good plan regardless
[23:46] <Peetz0r> I have never needed them with regular power supply's
[23:47] <Peetz0r> ...so far :p
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[23:48] <taza> Like, I've encountered "it'll do fine for charging a device but on devices without their own battery it causes random reboots"
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[23:48] <Peetz0r> random reboots are not so nice...
[23:48] <Peetz0r> could I fix that by adding a huge capacitor somewhere?
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[23:49] <taza> ... probably, but I have no idea how you'd even begin
[23:49] <Peetz0r> neither do I :p
[23:49] <Peetz0r> let's just save the idea for later
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[23:52] <Peetz0r> but, ehm, 15000/750=20 so if the advertised capacity is really correct (it probably isn't), the Pi could work for at least 20 hours?
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[23:52] <Peetz0r> so it's a decent battery even if the capacity is half the advertised capacity. *if* the voltage is somewhat stable at least
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[23:53] <taza> If my closet really is a door into a land of flowing chocolate rivers and cotton candy trees, how much can I eat without causing diabetes symptoms?
[23:53] <Peetz0r> xD
[23:53] <Peetz0r> can I borrow your closet?
[23:54] <Peetz0r> rent it?
[23:54] <taza> Sure, if I can borrow your Chinese wholesale site where product descriptions are 100% accurate and prices are 1/10th of local.
[23:55] <Peetz0r> lol
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[23:55] <taza> Unless someone has ordered and tested that exact product, good luck
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[23:55] <taza> I tend to leave reviews when I test items
[23:55] <Peetz0r> next idea, also power a lcd screen (http://dx.com/p/5-0-led-display-screen-car-rear-view-stand-security-monitor-black-480-x-234-pixels-152002) from the same battery, and connect that to the Pi :D
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[23:56] <Peetz0r> add a usb keyboard, put it all in a tiny wooden box, and it's awesome
[23:56] <Peetz0r> right?
[23:57] <freaksken> good luck
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