#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-11-16

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[0:09] <gordonDrogon> zzz time for me :)
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[0:16] <shawnbon206> ok, just plugged in my pi for the first time, got NOOBS screen. whats better, xbian or raspbmc?
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[0:18] <ShorTie> most use raspbian
[0:18] <shawnbon206> its going to be a media center only
[0:19] <Serus> ShorTie: can confirm, am raspbian
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[0:19] <shawnbon206> Serus: you having rasbian doesnt converm his statement that most use rasbian. that only confirms *you* use rasbian
[0:19] <shawnbon206> s/converm/confirm
[0:20] <shawnbon206> and i wasnt asking about linux desktops
[0:20] <Serus> If you read that sentence again, then you can see that I AM raspbian.
[0:20] <Serus> But I heard some negative stuff on raspbmc
[0:20] <shawnbon206> yeah well that doesnt confirm anyone else *is* rasbian, either
[0:21] * Serus facepalms
[0:21] <sraue> try OpenELEC :-)
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[0:25] <ShorTie> i guess me saying noobs is a waste too, cause most find it better just to write image to card is stupid too...
[0:27] <shawnbon206> ShorTie: my desktop doesnt even have a sdcard reader. i could go find a laptop, but first is there any advantage to wiping and starting fresh like you say?
[0:27] <shawnbon206> just a cleaner install? or more up to date?
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[0:29] <ShorTie> it doesn't really gain anything and just cause problems at times
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[2:21] <shawnbon206> ok i did use NOOBS and i did use openelec
[2:21] <shawnbon206> and it worked out of the box with my wifi dongle
[2:22] <Cykey> Does anyone know how to fix this issue? https://ghostbin.com/paste/84q9m
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[2:23] <sney> Cykey: what happens if you ifdown wlan0;ifup wlan0
[2:23] <Cykey> sney: ifdown: failed to open statefile /run/network/ifstate: Permission denied
[2:23] <Cykey> I should slap sudo on that command, right?
[2:23] <sney> as root/with sudo
[2:23] <Cykey> heh
[2:23] <sney> just learn it. system maintenance tasks = be root
[2:24] <Cykey> mhm
[2:24] <Cykey> I get the same ioctl stuff: ioctl[SIOCSIWAP]: Operation not permitted
[2:24] <Cykey> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument
[2:24] <Cykey> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument
[2:24] <Cykey> I'll get my /etc/network/interfaces file, sec.
[2:24] <sney> are you able to manually connect with ifconfig/iwconfig?
[2:25] <Cykey> https://ghostbin.com/paste/znojy
[2:25] <Cykey> well sney it is connecting
[2:25] <Cykey> I'm getting an ip and internet works
[2:25] <Cykey> i'm just wondering what those errors mean
[2:25] <Cykey> :P
[2:26] <sney> it's probably just a driver bug, then. if everything seems to be working, consider yourself warned and carry on as usual
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[2:27] <sney> btw, your network id is 192.168.1.0, not 192.168.1.1, but I'm pretty sure that line gets ignored with a modern kernel anyway
[2:28] <Cykey> oh, will change
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[2:28] <sney> what wifi dongle is it?
[2:28] <Cykey> sney: Also, is this the "right way"? sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[2:28] <sney> ifup and ifdown are the right way
[2:28] <Cykey> it's an Edimax, umm
[2:28] <Cykey> ah
[2:29] <Cykey> Edimax EW-7811Un
[2:30] <sney> realtek 8188. yeah there are some known issues with that driver involving the binary firmware. as long as nothing seems too out of whack with your connection, I wouldn't worry about it
[2:32] <Cykey> yeah I've had issues in the past with that driver
[2:32] <Cykey> oh well, it seems to be working fine right now
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[2:34] <Cykey> anyway, thanks for the help! :)
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[2:44] <sney> np
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[2:55] <shawnbon206> how often are vc-1 and mpeg-2 even used
[2:55] <shawnbon206> i think most of my videos are h.264 but i dont know what the other ones are
[2:56] <sney> vc-1 and mpeg-2 pretty much only come up if you're playing videos off dvd/blu-ray or rips from those
[2:56] <sney> most stuff you see around is some variant of mpeg4
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[5:19] <shawnbon206> uo
[5:19] <shawnbon206> yo
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[6:11] <Chelsea> Hi all, getting my second rpi tomorrow, and trying out Arkos. What is it like to run Owncloud and a Wordpress site? Im having modest hopes.
[6:12] <shiftplusone> owncloud? terrible
[6:13] <Chelsea> Ah... too bad. Unworkable terrible?
[6:14] <shiftplusone> depends on your tolerance threshold.
[6:14] <shiftplusone> nid0 says it's all fine and dandy, but that's not my experience with it
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[6:21] <Chelsea> Can you be specific?
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[6:23] <shiftplusone> In my case, I was using nginx and php requests would time out. After fiddling with config files and accelerators, it would take about half a minute for a page to load.
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[6:35] <Chelsea> Were you using raspbian?
[6:35] <shiftplusone> Don't remember... either raspbian or arch.
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[6:43] <sandman> Is there a decent way to find out what CFLAGS are being used by my compiles?
[6:44] <shiftplusone> gcc -dumpspecs ?
[6:44] <shiftplusone> scratch that
[6:45] <shiftplusone> that doesn't help, but there is a parameter you can pass to gcc that will tell you
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[6:48] <shiftplusone> "gcc -march=native -E -v - </dev/null 2>&1 | grep cc1" maybe
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[7:08] <meowsus> Does anyone have a few minutes to help me troubleshoot an HDMI issue?
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[7:09] <meowsus> No matter how i change config.txt, the highest the resolution will go is 640
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[7:41] <nsgn> goodevening. i need to have one way, true or false communication from a Pi to an Arduino. I understand the pi and arduino use different logic levels (3 vs 5v). is this safe if only the 3v pi is sending to an input pin on the 5v arduino or am i still liable to damage something?
[7:42] <shiftplusone> as long as 5v does not end up on a pi's gpio pin, it's ok.
[7:42] <shiftplusone> you can use a voltage divider to go the other way
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[7:43] <nsgn> shiftplusone, ok, so one way from PI to arduino is OK..but going arduino to PI requires dividing voltage because 5 is death to pi
[7:43] <shiftplusone> that is my understanding, yes (disclaimer)
[7:43] <nsgn> i've got a decent voltmeter I can use to double check everything before connecting
[7:43] <nsgn> what i'm nervous to check is that the arduino does not at any point during its bootup throw 5v on the pin for a moment
[7:44] <shiftplusone> no scope?
[7:44] <nsgn> testing it right now with the arduino powered up but the pin unassigned it is not giving any output on it
[7:44] <nsgn> i've not tested yet during bootup of the aruduino
[7:44] <nsgn> i will try now.
[7:44] <shiftplusone> might be a question for the arduino channel. I would be very surprised if it did, but it doesn't hurt to make sure.
[7:45] <nsgn> i just wanna be sure
[7:45] <nsgn> if 5v landed on a pi's input would it kill the whole SoC or would it just kill the one input pin?
[7:45] <shiftplusone> depends on your luck, I think. I am inclined to say just the pin, but I wouldn't want to carry out that experiment to confirm.
[7:46] <nsgn> yeah. i'm not exactly about to test that one either :)
[7:46] <shiftplusone> or maybe you are and just don't know it yet =D
[7:46] <nsgn> but i'm now rebooting the arduino with multimeter connected..lets see if a stray 5 goes on the pin at all
[7:46] <nsgn> ha
[7:46] <shiftplusone> how would a multimeter pick that up?
[7:47] <shiftplusone> you'd need a scope
[7:47] <nsgn> shiftplusone, well, i was not looking for a microsecond pulse of 5v, but more for it initalizing and for several seconds putting it at 5 or something like that
[7:48] <nsgn> i dont have a scope
[7:48] <shiftplusone> then you can't be sure without asking someone who knows for a fact.
[7:48] <nsgn> but the test as described with multimeter shows if it does it (which i doubt it does) its stupid fast..cause it didnt flinch one bit
[7:48] <nsgn> i wonder if the arduino would consider the pi's 3.3v to be a change in pin state
[7:49] <nsgn> if not that kindof ruins my plan
[7:49] <shiftplusone> yeah, it should. It's just not a good practice, since I doubt it's within the guaranteed limits.
[7:49] <nsgn> shiftplusone, yeah. well this isnt exactly mission critical
[7:49] <shiftplusone> if not, you can use a buffer chip, which won't cost you much.
[7:50] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[7:50] <shiftplusone> ah, the gpio expert....
[7:50] <nsgn> i'm controlling christmas lights. those addressable ones. the pi isn't accurate enough in its timing output to control them so i'm just going to tell an arduino to do so
[7:50] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, any chance of an arduino spitting out 5v while initializing?
[7:50] <nsgn> and since i only have two preset programs written into the arduino its easy to just use a single high or low pin to tell the arduino to do the pi's bidding with the lights
[7:50] <gordonDrogon> who knows..
[7:51] <shiftplusone> I figured if anyone did, it would be you >_<
[7:51] <gordonDrogon> is this one of the one wire RGB LED control chips?
[7:51] <nsgn> gordonDrogon, it's the GE Color Effects light strings. 5v, DATA, GND run down the light strand
[7:51] <nsgn> and you must send some pretty well clocked signals in order for the little chips in each bulb to comply
[7:52] <gordonDrogon> the pins (like the pi) ought to initialise to inputs, but I've read a few things about the analog lines having the potential to come up to 5v when initialising - especially when using them in i2c mode, however I suspect it's not going to be that big a deal for the Pi.
[7:52] <nsgn> the pi wasn't accurate enough in my tests. the arduino does it like a champ.
[7:52] <gordonDrogon> nsgn, yes- the timing is something liek 1.8�S per bit or something?
[7:52] <nsgn> however i did find one guy online who wrote a blog post showing this same light strand i have being driven directly off a pi
[7:52] <nsgn> and i havent been able to track down how on earth he did it
[7:53] <nsgn> and he didnt share code
[7:53] <gordonDrogon> I was chatting to someone who was using the SPI port with some funny clock setting.
[7:53] <nsgn> he did write, however, that the lights, thoug they operate at 5v, don't seem to mind the pi feeding them a 3v logic signal
[7:54] <gordonDrogon> 3.3v into 5v is generally OK.
[7:54] <nsgn> anyhow, since i'm apparently not as brilliant as that dude i'm just using an arduino nano to do the light control and having the pi tell it what to do. i'd like to avoid the bulk of a serial connection or USB cable between the two so i am just going to put a pin from the pi to the arduino
[7:55] <nsgn> which should sense fine. i was just curious if when the whole rig gets powered down/up if the arduino did something dumb like put 5v on the pin for a moment while initalizing or something
[7:55] <gordonDrogon> you'll probably be fine.
[7:55] <nsgn> i tested with a multimeter and didnt catch it doing so, so if it is doing that it is so fast i'd need a scope to see it
[7:55] <nsgn> it begs the question what happens to a pi's GPIO if you put 5v on it by accident
[7:56] <nsgn> obviously i know it isnt made for it..but will it spell instant death to the pi? death only to the pin? nothing bad at all unless you did it multiple times?
[7:56] <gordonDrogon> there are internal clamping diodes, so a little over voltage is ok - especially when fed from a high impedance source - e.g. a pin in input mode with a 5v pullup resistor...
[7:56] <gordonDrogon> I've connected many 5v devices to a Pi in the past and not had any issues - so-far...
[7:57] <nsgn> really. so the margin is enough that, though obviously ill advised, one could use the pi to take input from a 5v logic device like an arduino?
[7:57] <gordonDrogon> if you were utterly paranoid, you could run the nano at 3.3v
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[7:57] <gordonDrogon> I'd never drive it from the arduino - an atmega pin in input mode - yes, output mode - no.
[7:58] <nsgn> gordonDrogon, O_o would my 5v nano work at 3.3v?
[7:58] <gordonDrogon> what's the clock speed? if it's 8MHz then yes, if 16MHz then maybe.
[7:58] <gordonDrogon> they are technically out of spec for 16MHz at 3.3v but I know most of them "just work".
[7:58] <nsgn> 16mhz
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[7:59] <gordonDrogon> fastest clock on the data sheet for 3.3v is avout 12MHz.
[7:59] <nsgn> so if i drove the whole nano at 3.3v would it then be safe to do two way IO with the Pi?
[8:00] <nsgn> this particular project doesnt need two way, and the lights are happiest at 5v logic, so i wont do that this time..but good to know for the future
[8:01] <gordonDrogon> just google about for it. I have a seeeduino with a switch to select 3.3v or 5v - seems to work with either.
[8:01] <nsgn> interesting
[8:02] <nsgn> how much power can i safely take off the pi's pin marked 5v?
[8:02] <gordonDrogon> abou 200mA
[8:02] <nsgn> i wonder how much this string of LEDs takes
[8:02] <nsgn> i've accidentally unplugged its external supply before and the arduino nano drove the whole thing just fine off its own 5v pin
[8:03] <shiftplusone> 200mA? kind of pushing it if you have usb devices plugged in
[8:03] <gordonDrogon> the idea was that the Pi could have up to 500mA and USB devices are not supposed to take more than 100mA without negotiation...
[8:03] <gordonDrogon> =700mA.
[8:04] <gordonDrogon> however... most usb devices just hoover up as much current as they can, hence all the power issues with usb ...
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[8:04] <nsgn> the psu i'm using for the project that is shared amongst all (the nano, the pi, the lights) is 5v 3a..so i guess no sense going through the pi when i can just tap that supply directly
[8:04] <gordonDrogon> not just on the Pi - I have a miniITX Atom board on a train with 4 x 3G modems and a GPS and it's having some issues that I'm fairly sure are power related.
[8:04] <gordonDrogon> nsgn, indeed.
[8:05] <nsgn> i was just curious if the pi's 5v was directly off the VIN for the pi or if it is filtered through some elctronics that would get upset if i pulled too much
[8:05] <gordonDrogon> the �USB connector feds the rest of the board via a 700mA polyfuse.
[8:05] <nsgn> ah
[8:05] <nsgn> so blow the fuse and you've got some really inconvenient repair work to do? or is it resetable?
[8:05] <nsgn> i'm not too knowledgable on the fuses
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[8:06] <gordonDrogon> it's thermal, so self-resetting.
[8:06] <nsgn> let me ask this, though
[8:06] <nsgn> are you sure that 5v pin on the GPIO header is AFTER the fuse?
[8:06] <nsgn> because arent you supposed to be able to backfeed the board with it?
[8:06] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
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[8:07] <nsgn> i mean, i guess being after the fuse doesnt prevent doing that
[8:07] <gordonDrogon> and yes, you can backfeed the board via it and/or the USB sockets.
[8:07] <nsgn> but would that mean if you were powering the pi from the 5v pin instead of USB you have no fuse protection?
[8:07] <gordonDrogon> there have been pages of forum questions over this, the need for the fuse, etc.
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[8:07] <gordonDrogon> yes - power from the gpio or big usb and there is no fuse protection.
[8:07] <nsgn> hmmm
[8:08] <nsgn> then that makes my plan of powering all from my 3a psu a bit risky, no?
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[8:08] <gordonDrogon> risky - potentially - but if something on the Pi were to draw more than a few 100mA then there is a fault on the Pi - shorted pcb track, etc.
[8:09] <nsgn> fair enough. does a small arduino like the nano have a fuse of any kind between its USB 5v and its 5v pin or is it just a direct connection?
[8:09] <gordonDrogon> what then? who knows - if your PSU has over current protection it might save the day - but if it's a component drawing more than a few 100mA then that component is already gone - even iwth the polyfuse...
[8:09] <nsgn> because i really was able to drive a 100 light string of RGB LEDs at full white off the arduino's 5v before i realized what i was doing
[8:09] <gordonDrogon> look for big green blobs on the PCB near the power - they'll be the polyfuses.
[8:10] <gordonDrogon> I think a standard arduino has them.
[8:10] <gordonDrogon> don't have one near me to check.
[8:11] <nsgn> gordonDrogon, i dont have an Uno near me but the generic nano in my hand here doesnt look like it has one
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[8:12] <shiftplusone> http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/Arduino_Uno_Rev3-schematic.pdf
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[8:12] <shiftplusone> (it does, 500mA)
[8:13] <nsgn> yeah. it seems the nano doesn't have a fuse but it has a diode between the USB's 5v and the rest of the board that people fry permanantly when they accidentally short 5v to gnd
[8:14] <nsgn> but apparently that limit doesn't apply to the 5v pin. only to the nano's usb..because folks who have fried that diode can run the board by 5v pin directly, just no longer powered by usb
[8:15] <nsgn> anyhow, i've gotta sleep now. thanks for the input gordonDrogon and shiftplusone
[8:15] <shiftplusone> 'night
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[8:26] <gordonDrogon> got some baguettes rising...
[8:27] <shiftplusone> O_o
[8:29] <hakr> so uhm, was there a team effort in designing this pi?
[8:29] <hakr> or did some guy create it in his basement
[8:29] <hakr> no offense to anyones basement
[8:30] <shiftplusone> definitely not a basement situation, but 'team' might be a bit of a stretch.
[8:31] <hakr> solo act of productivity out of the love for linux?
[8:31] <shiftplusone> nuh, nothing like that.
[8:31] <hakr> i c
[8:33] <shiftplusone> More like an academic deciding there needs to be something like this cheaply available and linux seems to have only been chosen because it makes the most sense rather than anything else
[8:33] <shiftplusone> the original pi was meant to be something very minimal like an AVR running a python interpreter.
[8:34] <shiftplusone> And the design was mostly done by a one or two folks from broadcom, as I understand it.
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[9:12] <zaccanasta> hi guys, i need help to build a cross-compiling environment on fedora 19
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[9:12] <zaccanasta> i have to build a qt application for pi
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[9:24] <shawnbon206> shiftplusone: i like the raspberry pi
[9:25] <shawnbon206> i put openelec on it, its good enough to tide me over for a few years
[9:25] <shiftplusone> yup
[9:27] <woodjrx> Any advice in setting up the pi as a NAS? I've read it has some pretty lackluster transfer rates, but is that mitigated at all when using software like owncloud, or is that just hardware limiting?
[9:27] <shawnbon206> lol
[9:28] <shawnbon206> well you can have it as a makeshift nas
[9:28] <shiftplusone> the issue is that usb hdd io bandwidth would be shared with ethernet and/or wifi
[9:28] <shawnbon206> but no software raid
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[9:29] <woodjrx> I see. I'm not worried about raid too much (this is fun stuff, not anything I'd be too upset with if I lost), but that makes sense on the i/o
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[9:31] <shawnbon206> i like freenas
[9:31] <woodjrx> I haven't tried it as a mediacenter yet, but i'm assuming it does great (has so far) when playing local media (even from a usb hdd), but does it suffer from streaming from network storage?
[9:31] <woodjrx> I was looking at using freenas on my wife's old machine, but the pi's cost, and energy consumption are so nice
[9:31] <shiftplusone> haven't had any streaming trouble here
[9:32] <shawnbon206> i dunno i just set mine up today. but it seems to me it depends on how fast of wifi you can get
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[9:32] <woodjrx> So it really is just the combination of the two that is limiting (ethernet & usb use, not either / or)
[9:32] <shawnbon206> yes
[9:33] <shiftplusone> you don't need terribly fast speeds to stream video
[9:33] <woodjrx> I see.
[9:33] <shawnbon206> well if someone lived in a area where all the wifi bands were congested they might not get fast enough wifi to pull it off, unless it was going a really short distance
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[9:34] <shawnbon206> it's working fine for me tho
[9:34] <shawnbon206> shiftplusone: what do you reccomend for sharing? CIFS, NFS, minidlna?
[9:35] <shiftplusone> I am not knowledgeable enough to know all of the advantages and disadvantages of each, but I always go with NFS.
[9:36] <shawnbon206> me neither
[9:36] <shawnbon206> i'd have to google it
[9:36] <shawnbon206> :)
[9:37] <woodjrx> I'll read up on NFS, and also getting my hwclock to work in arch. Thanks for all the info, as always.
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[10:20] <shawnbon206> 64gb sdcard or 64gb usb drive. advantages, disadvantages?
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[10:38] <gimpy2938> I'm trying to wire a simple button to the GPIO pins but this program (https://gist.github.com/anonymous/609cf410f482487d4858) always displays 0 as the pin's value instead of 1 when the button is pressed. Any clue what I am doing wrong?
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[10:46] <ShorTie> is this how it is wired ?? 3.3v --> 10k resistor --> GPIO pin 23 --> button --> ground pin
[10:48] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
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[10:48] <Sonny_Jim> You either use Vcc or GND, not both I thought
[10:49] <ShorTie> this is the more proper way http://elinux.org/File:EGHS-PullUpDownSwitchProtected.jpg
[10:50] <gimpy2938> ShorTie: I tried that too and it did the same thing though I'm not sure I did it right since I don't know how to read a diagram like that.
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[10:50] <ShorTie> hmmm....
[10:51] <ShorTie> like what do you not understand ??
[10:51] <Sonny_Jim> It's a fairly simple schematic
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[10:51] <ShorTie> it is like the simplelist of circuits
[10:51] <Sonny_Jim> Although I'm used to a diffeent ground symbol
[10:52] <gimpy2938> Well, I know nothing about electronics, I'm a programmer and sysadmin. Never looked at a circuit diagram in my life.
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[10:53] <gimpy2938> I'm pretty sure I got it right but it did the same thing '3.3v --> 10k resistor --> GPIO pin 23 --> button --> ground pin' is doing: pin value is always 0.
[10:53] <Sonny_Jim> Personally, seeing as the Pi has Pull up/down resistors built into it, I would just wire it to gnd and be done with it
[10:54] <Sonny_Jim> Gnd -> Switch -> GPIO
[10:54] <ShorTie> well, with that you always have the gpio pin connected to 3.3v, the switch does nothing
[10:55] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
[10:55] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: When I did that it randomly jumps between 0 and 1. Someone else in here linked me to the same diagram you linked to saying that was the problem.
[10:55] <Sonny_Jim> Did you set the pull down mode on the pin?
[10:55] <Sonny_Jim> Are you using wiringPi?
[10:55] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: Nope and never heard of it.
[10:55] <Sonny_Jim> It makes using the GPIO a lot easier
[10:55] <ShorTie> he is using puthon, so kinda hard to use wiringPi
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[10:56] <Sonny_Jim> You should be able to set the pin mode
[10:56] <ShorTie> try looking at wiringpi.com
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[10:57] <gimpy2938> I'm look now. Looks like there's a command line binary for it that I can just fork out to in Python (I'd rather not mess with C).
[10:57] <Sonny_Jim> http://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/Inputs
[10:57] <Sonny_Jim> specifically the part that says:
[10:57] <Sonny_Jim> GPIO.setup(channel, GPIO.IN, pull_up_down=GPIO.PUD_UP)
[10:57] <ShorTie> try taking a gander here maybe https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/3-more-leds-and-a-button/
[10:58] <Sonny_Jim> No need
[10:58] <Sonny_Jim> You can do it with Python
[10:58] <Sonny_Jim> "If you do not have the input pin connected to anything, it will 'float'. In other words, the value that is read in is undefined because it is not connected to anything until you press a button or switch. It will probably change value a lot as a result of receiving mains interference.
[10:58] <Sonny_Jim> To get round this, we use a pull up or a pull down resistor. In this way, the default value of the input can be set. It is possible to have pull up/down resistors in hardware and using software. In hardware, a 10K resistor between the input channel and 3.3V (pull-up) or 0V (pull-down) is commonly used. The RPi.GPIO module allows you to configure the Broadcom SOC to do this in software: "
[10:58] <Sonny_Jim> So you don't need a resistor, you can do it in software
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[10:59] <Sonny_Jim> Wire the switch up GND -> Switch -> GPIO and set the pin to Pull Up
[10:59] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: pull_up_down=GPIO.PUD_UP seems to work
[11:00] <Sonny_Jim> But having said that, you'll get much better peformance with wiringPi
[11:00] <Sonny_Jim> http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/
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[11:01] <Sonny_Jim> 20kHz with Python versus 7MHz with wiringPi
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[11:01] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: Not sure performance is a factor. My Pi is inside a BMO (character from a cartoon). I'm maying a program so that when you press the button it plays a random video on a screen that is BMO's face.
[11:02] <Sonny_Jim> Just use python then
[11:02] <gimpy2938> Yup
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[11:06] <ShorTie> did you look at that projects.gordon page ??
[11:07] <ShorTie> it has how to check your button setup from command line to see if it works
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[11:14] <Sonny_Jim> ShorTie: It's working, just needed to setup a pull up resistor via software
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[12:15] <pepijndevos> can the raspi tell you how much power it's using?
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[12:15] <ShorTie> not without extras
[12:16] <pepijndevos> extras? You mean prodding a volt meter at the bord?
[12:16] <pepijndevos> or extras as in "apt-get install the-extras"
[12:17] <ShorTie> hardware extras
[12:18] <ShorTie> yes, a volt meter is 1 way
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[12:18] <pepijndevos> I was thinking of running the raspi of a battery, and curious how much power it consumes.
[12:18] <ShorTie> but if you want the rPi to know, it would be more of a current sensor into a adc
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: Between 140mA and 700mA or so
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: depending on what you're doing.
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: And the version
[12:19] <ShorTie> that all depends on what you got connected and what all it is doing
[12:19] <pepijndevos> Playing music :)
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> 500mA is probably close.
[12:19] <pepijndevos> how can I tell the version?
[12:19] <ShorTie> use a phone, lol.
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> So 2.5W@5V
[12:20] <pepijndevos> ShorTie, yea, but phones are boring. Phones don;t have wires sticking out of them
[12:21] <ShorTie> but they fit in your pocket nicely
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[12:21] <pepijndevos> Though I have no idea how much power my phone uses. Since it's also some ARm thing, maybe around th same?
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: No, much, much less.
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> The pi powersaving _sucks_
[12:22] <pepijndevos> :(
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> My phone does about 20h mp3 on a 1200mAh battery
[12:22] <Sonny_Jim> Heh
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> That's about 60mA@3.6V, or 200mW
[12:22] <Sonny_Jim> If you put it into power saving mode, it's nigh on impossible to get it to wake up again
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> Or a tenth of thepower
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> Sonny_Jim: Cron, or waking up the USB ports, ifyou mean thepi
[12:23] <pepijndevos> why does it suck?
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: Because the chip is not designed to do deep powersaving.
[12:23] <pepijndevos> oh :(
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> And/or the hardware or kernel supplied does not support it.
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> s/deep/any/
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> It is a set-top-box chip - not a mobile device.
[12:24] <pepijndevos> SpeedEvil, well, the kernel can be modified, the hardware not so much.
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: The kernel can be modified - if you have documentation on the hardware. We don't.
[12:24] <pepijndevos> dommit quallcomm, or what's in there? I forgot.
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: The available powersaving techniques in linux do nothing as it's currently setup. (well - other than turning off USB)
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Broadcom.
[12:25] <pepijndevos> oh yes
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Though qualcomm is as bad IIRC
[12:25] <pepijndevos> :)
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> It's a real shame TI left mobile space.
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[12:26] <pepijndevos> ok, so this will be a terrible mp3 player in all aspects. Terribly sound, terrible bulk, terrible power consumption.
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[12:26] <SpeedEvil> Youcan add a USB soundcard, to make it decent sound.
[12:26] <pepijndevos> and terrible UI, but that's my own fault.
[12:27] <pepijndevos> yes, I'm considering it.
[12:27] <Sonny_Jim> Not exactly pocket sized either
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> Make a ghetto blaster, and the weight and power use problems go away.
[12:27] <pepijndevos> In that case I'd add one of those USB screens as well :)
[12:27] <Sonny_Jim> Never had a problem with the audio quality either
[12:28] <pepijndevos> Oh, my audio jack has a constant staic on it.
[12:28] <pepijndevos> and loud pops when audio starts/stops. Though that should be fixed, and I did upgrade the firmware.
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[12:29] <Sonny_Jim> Have you tried grounding it properly?
[12:29] <pepijndevos> what do you mean?
[12:29] <Sonny_Jim> ie run a cable from the amp ground to the ground on the Pi
[12:29] <Sonny_Jim> Most amps have a gnd connection on the back
[12:29] <pepijndevos> I used headphones
[12:30] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[12:30] <Sonny_Jim> Must be a bad batch of caps or something
[12:30] <pepijndevos> (where is the ground connection on the rapi?)
[12:30] <Sonny_Jim> Pick a bit of metal
[12:30] <Sonny_Jim> or P1
[12:31] <pepijndevos> I hava hole labeled tp1?
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[12:33] <ShorTie> no, that is power not ground i believe
[12:33] <Sonny_Jim> P1 is the GPIO header
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[12:34] <SpeedEvil> 'ground' is irrelevant in this case if you're usingheadphones.
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[12:39] <ShorTie> grrr, adafruit needs to update ther web page
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[12:40] <ShorTie> got email saying the NoIR was back in stock, but yet still can't order it, lol.
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[12:42] <steve_rox> so what you going to be upto with the ir cam? :-)
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[12:43] <ShorTie> watch my drive way
[12:43] <steve_rox> ah so a secureity cam thing
[12:44] <ShorTie> or maybe the wild life area to figure out when the deer come thru
[12:44] <ShorTie> ya, basically
[12:45] <steve_rox> need some ir elumination solution too
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[12:45] <ShorTie> ya, in time
[12:46] <steve_rox> always fun obtaining that
[12:46] <ShorTie> you can buy them already made up
[12:46] <steve_rox> i have some 1W ir led but cooling them is annoying
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[12:47] <ShorTie> extra ones for other security cameras
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[12:48] <steve_rox> higher ir sources can pose eye damage risks too
[12:49] <steve_rox> according to ebay they can be used for ghost hunting hehe
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[12:51] <ShorTie> Cool
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[12:53] <ShorTie> might be nifty to mount 2 in the ceiling pointing opposite directions to watch the chicks
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[12:54] <steve_rox> sounds fun
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[12:55] <ShorTie> wonder how big of a heat signature they pickup
[12:56] <steve_rox> it only sees the heat when near red hot
[12:56] <steve_rox> like from a soldering iron for example
[12:56] <ShorTie> see 27,000 little red blobs running around
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[12:57] <ShorTie> oh, it's got to be real hot ??
[12:57] <steve_rox> yeah
[12:57] <ShorTie> bummer
[12:57] <steve_rox> indeed
[12:57] <ShorTie> but the botenist use them
[12:58] <ShorTie> and i'm sure there trees are not on fire
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[12:58] <ShorTie> as they say
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[12:58] <steve_rox> not sure how they use them for that
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[12:59] <ShorTie> play is the only real way to know
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[13:01] <mongrol> evenin
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[13:07] <Firehopper> morning
[13:08] <ShorTie> mornin
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[13:09] <ShorTie> you got a nice lookin hanger/garage, the spirit of st.louis looked real nice
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[13:10] <Firehopper> :>
[13:10] <ShorTie> stick built, such fun
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[13:10] <Firehopper> thats what my dad likes to do. build airplanes :)
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[13:11] <Firehopper> my udoo is expected to be delivered on monday.. cant wait!
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[13:11] <ShorTie> sweet
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[13:50] <pepijndevos> what happens if you run an raspi from a computers usb port?
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Monkeys fly out of your nose.
[13:50] <pepijndevos> cool, really?
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> More accurately - insomecases, the USBport may be overloaded and shut down.
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Inothers, the Pi may be unreliable.
[13:50] <pepijndevos> I see.
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> It will not damage the USB port.
[13:51] <pepijndevos> ok
[13:51] <pepijndevos> I was wondering, because I read not to do it, but... my phone says "this thing could charge faster" when I plug it in the adapter that powers my pi.
[13:52] <pepijndevos> So presumably my computer supplies more power than the adapter.
[13:52] <pepijndevos> which is 1A
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: Not really - the phoneisbasically guessing wrong.
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[13:53] <pepijndevos> Oh. So the adapter is in fact charging faster than the pc?
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[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Yes, but the phone can't properly tell it is - so it displays that message, and likely limits its charging rate
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[13:55] <pepijndevos> -.-
[13:55] <pepijndevos> Oh so it's more like "hey, this port doesn;t negotiate current with me"
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[13:55] <pepijndevos> I see
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[13:58] <pepijndevos> Talking about current. It always comfuses me that capacity is mah and current is ma, since the h stand for hour if I'm not mistaken.
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> Batteries have a capacity.
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> They can supply so much for so long
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> A 1Ah battery can supply 1A for 1h, .1A for 10H, ...
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[14:01] <gvo> In theory
[14:01] <pepijndevos> hmmmkay
[14:02] * SpeedEvil peukarts on gvo.
[14:02] <gvo> A lot of batteries are rated at 0.1C draw
[14:02] <gvo> So you might not get 1A for 1 hours.
[14:02] <pepijndevos> Oh, I remember that I think.
[14:03] <pepijndevos> Some batteries are 2C also :) That basically means you can drain the whole thing in half a hour right?
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: in theory, yes
[14:03] <gvo> I've not seen any but if they are rated that way, probably.
[14:04] <pepijndevos> They are used in model airplanes
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[14:04] <SpeedEvil> Also - '2C' is comedically weak from a RC perspective.
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> >30C is common
[14:04] <pepijndevos> Oh, it's been a while. Could very well be.
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[14:06] <[SLB]> anyone using nokia lcds with adafruit drivers for a long time, like at least a day long?
[14:07] <ShorTie> ya, these 35c lipo's make a big differentence in the quad chopper
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[14:56] <Serus> Why does hashchecking a folder take so long?
[14:56] <Cheekio> what's the media player of choice on the raspi?
[14:56] <Cheekio> can I just sudo apt-get install vlc and play mp3's and movies?
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[14:57] <Cheekio> (using raspbian)
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[14:57] <Serus> people seem to like XBMC (I don't, used it on winderz)
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[15:05] <Matt> xbmc works pretty well as a media frontend
[15:05] <Matt> not sure it'd be my choice as an mp3 player
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[15:10] <kandinski> how much does raspbian write to sd without us telling it to?
[15:10] <kandinski> if I mount /logs on an external drive, does raspbian leave the sd card untouched, or does it write to it?
[15:10] <clever> echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
[15:11] <clever> if you run this, EVERY read/write to ANY disk goes into dmesg
[15:11] <kandinski> (assumming no user programs that write, of course: I mean the OS)
[15:11] <clever> which syslog may log to your card
[15:11] <clever> that then lets you monitor everything
[15:11] <kandinski> clever, thanks
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[15:11] <clever> if you shut syslog off, you can read the log directly from /proc/kmsg
[15:11] <kandinski> what if I only want to log reads?
[15:12] <clever> that acts like a pipe, and only gives the new stuff
[15:12] <clever> grep can filter it
[15:12] <kandinski> sorry, only log writes?
[15:12] <kandinski> thanks
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[15:12] <clever> so stop syslog, write 1 to block_dump
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[15:12] <clever> then grep WRITE /proc/kmsg
[15:13] <Matt> if you take the traditional view, you should expect writes to mainly be /var, /home, and /tmp
[15:13] <Daditos> hi, does anyone know a site that can sell a Rasberry-pi starter kit like this one http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=72W4007 and deliver it in before Thursday to the Washington NW area? I bought it from newark but didn't realize it was being back ordered until now
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[15:15] <clever> Matt: and most pi os's have a single root partition covering all of those
[15:15] <Matt> it's been a long time since I read the FSH, but the basica premise was that /bin, /sbin, /lib, etc should contain the files necessary to boot the system
[15:15] <Matt> other stuff should go under /usr
[15:15] <Matt> files that need to be written to should go under /var
[15:15] <Matt> (in principle, you can do a shared read-only /usr for a bunch of systems)
[15:15] <kandinski> clever and Matt: thanks
[15:16] <clever> http://privatepaste.com/db6f53a423 an example on my pi
[15:16] <clever> its flushing the write cache, stuff that was written before i enabled logging
[15:16] <kandinski> aha
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[15:16] <clever> just leave the log on and do things, and youll see exactly what effect they have
[15:17] <Matt> clever: you could prolly get round that by running sync as root before you enable block_dump
[15:17] <clever> <7>[ 167.964657] fake-hwclock(2420): WRITE block 6545504 on mmcblk0p2 (8 sectors)
[15:17] <kandinski> but I won't see the actual application that's writing, will I?
[15:17] <Daditos> I'm in a rush because a friend of mine was going to bring me that starter kit from USA, so now I have to cancel that order and find one that can get it there in that short period of time
[15:17] <Matt> (as root)
[15:17] <Daditos> if anyone knows, it would be great
[15:17] <clever> kandinski: you will, like the line i just pasted
[15:17] <clever> cron.hourly/fake-hwclock: fake-hwclock save
[15:17] <clever> turns out, every hour on the hour, it saves your clock to the sdcard
[15:18] <clever> so i was half wrong a few days ago, when i said it only saves on proper shutdown
[15:18] <Matt> in clever's example, fake-hwlock, running as PID 2420, wrote 8 sectors to mmblk0p2
[15:18] <clever> and a lucky guess reveals that cron is to blame for that
[15:18] <kandinski> clever, aha
[15:20] <clever> <7>[ 345.230356] dbus-launch(2539): WRITE block 6545544 on mmcblk0p2 (8 sectors)
[15:20] <clever> simply logging into X causes this
[15:20] <kandinski> aha
[15:20] <clever> let me adjust the grep, its hiding some stuff
[15:21] <clever> <7>[ 403.609614] Xorg(2495): dirtied inode 60519 (Xorg.0.log) on mmcblk0p2
[15:21] <clever> <7>[ 403.609646] Xorg(2495): dirtied inode 60519 (Xorg.0.log) on mmcblk0p2
[15:21] <clever> that happens just by plugging in a mouse
[15:21] <clever> root@pi:~# egrep 'WRITE|dirtied' /proc/kmsg
[15:21] <clever> so we need to grep for dirtied also
[15:22] <clever> and we dont need to know about other devices in the system, more greps!
[15:22] <clever> root@pi:~# egrep 'WRITE|dirtied' /proc/kmsg --line-buffered | grep mmc
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[15:23] <clever> <7>[ 530.107823] sshd(2296): dirtied inode 7136 (wtmp) on mmcblk0p2
[15:23] <clever> closing an ssh session causes a write to the login/out log
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[15:23] <clever> <7>[ 539.857869] lxterminal(2591): dirtied inode 66550 (?) on mmcblk0p2
[15:23] <clever> and the terminal is up to something also
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[15:24] <clever> root@pi:~# find / -mount -inum 66550
[15:24] <clever> this scans the entire system for that file
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[15:24] <clever> which will tell me what it is
[15:25] <clever> and now windows decides it must shutdown, NOW, no question about it
[15:25] <clever> why do i bother keeping that bloody thing on...
[15:25] <clever> it also broke the mouse, so i cant even close the open windows
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[15:26] <Matt> lol
[15:26] <clever> just on a lucky guess
[15:26] <clever> root@pi:/proc/2591/fd# ls -lLi
[15:26] <clever> 66550 -rw------- 0 pi pi 8 Nov 16 10:26 12
[15:26] <Matt> launching relatively modern apps under X will cause all sorts of activity
[15:26] <clever> thats the inode of the file lxterminal keeps spamming
[15:26] <clever> lrwx------ 1 pi pi 64 Nov 16 10:21 12 -> /tmp/vte072C6W (deleted)
[15:27] <clever> and if i do it without -L, i can see its this file
[15:27] <clever> it appears to be a shared memory thing
[15:27] <Matt> on a box with more RAM, /tmp works well on a ramdisk
[15:27] <clever> yep, was about to say that
[15:28] <clever> whatever lxterminal is doing, its spamming my sd card constantly
[15:28] <clever> probly because every time it writes, the terminal updates, and it has to write again
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[15:28] <clever> xterm ftw!
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[15:29] <clever> if i close lxterm, it just stops, completely
[15:30] <Matt> there's all sorts of inter-process communication with modern apps
[15:30] <clever> i checked, no other app has that file directly open
[15:30] <Matt> just have a play and see how the system behaves when you kill dbus :)
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[15:30] <clever> but i forgot to check the memory mappings
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[15:30] <clever> <7>[ 938.090724] vnstatd(2262): dirtied inode 52488 (wlan0) on mmcblk0p2
[15:30] <clever> this is something i installed to monitor network usage
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[15:33] <clever> <7>[ 1145.899829] Xorg(2495): dirtied inode 60519 (Xorg.0.log) on mmcblk0p2
[15:33] <clever> this part could probly be shut off easily
[15:34] <clever> also, if you dont care about write support, just mount the thing read only
[15:34] <clever> everything that needs write will fail, most apps still work
[15:35] <clever> Matt: do you know if linux can access the registers on the sd card directly?
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[15:35] <Matt> good question
[15:35] <Matt> and no, I have no idea :)
[15:35] <clever> i think it does, because i can read the serial# via /sys/
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[15:36] <clever> http://hackaday.com/2013/11/12/keep-your-sd-cards-data-safe-with-the-sd-locker/
[15:36] <Matt> lots of stuff expects to be able to write to the device
[15:36] <clever> one of the bits in a control register, just disables write completely
[15:37] <clever> the card just ignores writes until you clear the bit
[15:37] <Matt> I pretty much netboot my pi
[15:37] <Matt> so I don't worry about this :)
[15:37] <clever> another nearby bit, cant be cleared
[15:37] <clever> Matt: this is perfect for you then
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[15:37] <clever> put a bootloader thats network capable on the sd card
[15:37] <clever> then use this bit to lock it,never allow another write
[15:37] <clever> then you cant break it
[15:38] <Matt> heh
[15:38] <Matt> that doesn't really bother me
[15:38] <clever> only issue, is that you cant upgrade the bootloader either
[15:38] <clever> and kernel if you left that on the card
[15:38] <Matt> I just put /boot on the SD card, and everything else is NFS mounted
[15:38] <clever> most writes have stopped, now that i shut vnstat and lxterminal off
[15:39] <clever> but things like the hwclock i know trigger hourly, so you cant be sure until you let it idle several hours
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[15:39] <clever> daily jobs, just make it longer
[15:39] <Matt> I wonder if it's worth digging deeper to see what lxterm is actually up to
[15:40] <clever> it looks like a shared memory segment that its capable of granting other processes access to
[15:40] <clever> but nothing had that segment open
[15:40] * clever looks again
[15:40] <clever> <7>[ 1584.101281] gnome-pty-helpe(2694): dirtied inode 7136 (wtmp) on mmcblk0p2
[15:40] <clever> opening lxterm does this!
[15:41] <clever> [ 1145.747] (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted
[15:41] <clever> and synergy triggers this in xorg.log every time the mouse enters the screen
[15:41] <clever> the framebuffer controls for power save arent implemented
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[15:42] <clever> Matt: ok, strange, lxterminal didnt do anything until a screen -x
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[15:42] <clever> but its only got a tty connecting them, whats it doing with shm???
[15:42] <alex88> hi guys, is there an airplay package for running as an airplay v2 device? (so also video)?
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[15:43] <clever> Matt: even stranger, no process, including lxterm has those files memory mapped, it just opened them and deleted them
[15:44] <Matt> intresting, like I said - I wonder what it's up to :)
[15:44] <clever> root@pi:/proc/2693/fd# cat 16
[15:44] <clever> <7>[ 1658.742908] Xorg(2495): dirtied inode 60519 (Xorg.0.log) on mmcblk0p2
[15:44] <clever> i think thats the scrollback history?
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[15:45] <Matt> mm, intresting thought
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[15:45] <Matt> is it holding the fd open?
[15:45] <markit> hi, I'm looking for a case on RS components site, but I don't find the transparent one, just those "2 pieces" http://it.rs-online.com/web/c/?searchTerm=raspberry+contenitore++&sra=oss&r=t
[15:45] <clever> Matt: http://privatepaste.com/947c6cff84 and this is exactly what i ran
[15:45] <clever> Matt: yep
[15:45] <markit> how do they work?
[15:45] <clever> Matt: my entire scrollback history is in file 12
[15:45] <markit> don't understand why are split in "top" and "bottom"
[15:46] <Matt> that seems reasonable then
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[15:46] <Matt> put it in a file, rather than keeping it in RAM
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[15:46] <clever> and it deleted the file as soon as it made it
[15:46] <Matt> saves you having stuff like this
[15:46] <Matt> 2417 matt 20 0 222m 20m 11m S 4.9 1.0 5:32.94 gnome-terminal
[15:46] <clever> so the only thing keeping the file alive is the open handle
[15:46] <Matt> clever: yeah, that kinda makes sense
[15:46] <clever> if the program exits at any point, its gone
[15:47] <Matt> means if the app dies, it doesn't leave tmp files floating around
[15:47] <clever> unlike some messes i just discovered on a friends pc
[15:47] <clever> he has 120gig of music in the windows temp folder
[15:47] <clever> one of his programs would unzip things to there, and leave it
[15:47] <Matt> nice
[15:48] <clever> and thats after he went thru the bother of moving the music to another drive to avoid just that :P
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[15:48] <Matt> gotta love apps like that
[15:49] <clever> bbl
[15:49] <clever> oh
[15:49] <clever> and adobe flash did the exact same thing under linux :P
[15:49] <clever> it left all your youtube videos bare in /tmp/
[15:49] <clever> if it crashed, they stuck arround
[15:50] <clever> i used to use that to copy videos, but they fixed it in newer versions, it now does the same as lxterm
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[16:22] <Cykey> Hey! For my raspberry pi model A, I am using a (genuine) Apple iPhone charger
[16:22] <Cykey> the rating is 5V 1A, so it should work
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[16:23] <Cykey> however, my USB cable for the pi is too short, so I'm using an extension cord. The issue is that I get a 0.5V voltage drop when I use that cable
[16:23] <Cykey> Without the extension cord: 5V. with the extension cord: ~4.5V (which is not enough to boot the pi)
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[16:23] <clever> some quick math says that 1 amp accross 0.5 ohms, gives 0.5 volts of loss
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[16:24] <clever> so your getting about half an ohm of resistance in the extension
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[16:24] <Cykey> ohm's law, woo
[16:24] <clever> might be better to extend the high voltage side, get a 120 extension cord, and ditch the usb extension
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[16:25] <Cykey> yeah that might be a better option. Seems like the cables in the extension cord are too thin
[16:25] <clever> but your resistance may be even hgiher, its not likely to draw the full 1amp if it isnt powering on
[16:26] <Pe3k> hello, I have raspi running on 8GB card and want to upgrade to 32GB card. Will it work when I somehow make byte-per-byte image of 8GB card and then load this image to 32GB card and after that use raspiconfig to use whole space on card?
[16:27] <clever> Pe3k: should work, just extend it the same way you did after first installing
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[16:28] <Pe3k> clever: ok, I will try...thanks, some clue what to use for copying data? ...preparing image?
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[16:29] <clever> dd if=/dev/oldcard of=/dev/newcard bs=1024
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[16:29] <clever> no real need to prepare anything else, just copy it when it isnt mounted
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[16:37] <alex88> hi guys, someone got rplay working without a license? it worked for the first try but after that, nothing
[16:37] <alex88> or there are any alternatives?
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[16:40] <Matt> clever: I like dd-rescue for such things
[16:40] <Matt> it's got an adaptive block size, so it's generally slightly faster
[16:40] <Matt> plus it gives you pretty stats :)
[16:40] <clever> ah, i usualy ignore that until problems happen
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[16:41] <Matt> and sensibly handles errors
[16:41] <Matt> IIRC it starts with 4k blocks until it hits an error, then it drops it down and retries
[16:42] <Matt> till it gets down toa 512 byte blocksize
[16:42] <Matt> if that fails, it'll flag an error, or ifit's an EOF, it'll stop :)
[16:43] <Matt> Pe3k: also, if you've got disk space to spare on your deskop, why not dd to a file, then dd out to your new card
[16:43] <Matt> that way you've got a handy backup sitting around
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[16:43] <Matt> zip it up, won't chew up that much space in a modern environment
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[16:44] <Matt> what's a few gigs in a TB drive :)
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[16:44] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[16:44] <clever> rob1:/media/videos/4tb 3.7T 1.5T 2.3T 39% /media/videos/4tb
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[16:45] <Matt> quite :)
[16:45] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[16:45] <clever> sakura:/media/videos/15tb 1.4T 1.2T 200G 86% /media/videos/15tb
[16:45] <clever> rob1:/media/videos/1tb 932G 752G 180G 81% /media/videos/1tb
[16:46] <Matt> /dev/md2 2.8T 1.4T 1.4T 49% /data
[16:46] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[16:46] <clever> thep4.localnet:/media/mainlv 517G 178G 340G 35% /media/mainlv
[16:46] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[16:46] <clever> /dev/sdb1 149G 132G 18G 89% /160g
[16:46] <clever> /dev/sda1 73G 25G 48G 35% /
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[16:46] <Pe3k> Matt: thanks, I'll try dd-rescue ... do I need some special switches for my case?
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[16:47] <Matt> Pe3k: dd_rescue /dev/sdb /path/to/file.img should do what you want
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[16:47] <Matt> then dd_rescue /path/to/file /dev/sdb
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[16:47] <Matt> usually you don't need to feed it any other flags, unless you're dealing with a failing disk you're trying to recover
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[16:49] <Matt> clever: I used to look after a box with a 34TB filesystem
[16:49] <clever> Matt: nice
[16:49] <Matt> the admin there really didn't listen when I told him that was a bad idea
[16:50] <Matt> he ended up with some minor fs corruption
[16:50] <Matt> and couldn't fsck the device cause the server didn't have enough RAM
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[16:50] <Matt> actually, it was xfs, and xfs_check would get killed with an OOM
[16:51] <clever> lol
[16:51] <clever> i had the same problem with my 1tb drive in a P2
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[16:53] <Matt> xfs_repair would run, but swapped like mad
[16:53] <Matt> in the end they bumped the box up to 16GB and that would at least let xfs_repair run
[16:54] <uniqdom> gordonDrogon: I remember that I have told you that I have problem with MCP23016 and your wiringPi lib... it was the clock frequency from I2C... It was running at 100KHz with a cheap ribbon cable. At 50KHz, problems are gone. :)
[16:54] <clever> uniqdom: you can change the i2c clock under /sys, and overclocking the gpu messes with that
[16:54] <clever> if the core_freq is doubled, so is the i2c clock
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[16:56] <uniqdom> clever, i didn't know that... thanks... yesterday i did "gpio load i2c 50" as gordon said
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[16:57] <clever> root@pi:~# cat /sys/module/i2c_bcm2708/parameters/baudrate
[16:57] <clever> 100000
[16:57] <clever> uniqdom: thats the file to read/set the baud rate
[16:58] <uniqdom> ok
[16:58] <clever> i think the gpio util just goes to that file for you, so you dont have to find it
[16:58] <uniqdom> +1
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[17:00] <saedelaere> hmm, I thought using wiringPi (c++) eliminates the need to run an application as root.
[17:00] <clever> saedelaere: its probly setuid root
[17:01] <uniqdom> i always need to use sudo to run my wirningPi programs
[17:01] <saedelaere> apparently I was wrong about that.
[17:01] <clever> i still need to get arround to installing it
[17:02] <saedelaere> clever: what do you want to do? why not installing?
[17:02] <clever> just never had a major need for it before
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[17:03] <saedelaere> ah ok, yes I am just starting out with it. I thought I read somewhere I could use it and avoid running the applications as root.
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[17:03] <saedelaere> as I said, I was wrong about that :)
[17:04] <saedelaere> need to look at the api what other advantages it provides
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[17:10] <PyrO_70> hi ;)
[17:10] <PyrO_70> gordonDrogon, thx for yesterday ;)
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[17:13] <uniqdom> saedelaere: It's great if you need to extend to another chip. I'm working in an expansion board that add 16 gpio (MCP23016), 4 adc channels (MCP3424), and 16 pwm channels (PCA9685).
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[17:19] <saedelaere> I will need to extend to various different chips uniqdom, thanks for the hint. I will however need to extend the whole thing a bit. I want to have a class for all gpio pins. preferrably it should keep track of already used pins and their mode. on the other hand the pi does not have much pins so confusion rate might be low ;9
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[17:20] <clever> saedelaere: that reminds me
[17:20] <clever> let me find the link...
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[17:21] <[SLB]> hm, some recent kernel update killed zram?
[17:24] <uniqdom> saedelaere: to extend to a new gpio chip, you first do a setupChipName() which creates a new node. and then you use pinMode(), digitalWrite() and digitalRead() as always
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[17:25] <saedelaere> uniqdom: but this will only work with chips wiringPi knows off
[17:25] <clever> saedelaere: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/170#issuecomment-16349378
[17:25] <uniqdom> http://wiringpi.com/extensions/ http://wiringpi.com/extensions/i2c-mcp23016/
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[17:25] <clever> saedelaere: if things went acording to what i said in that comment, it would be much harder to break stuff
[17:27] <uniqdom> saedelaere: yes... but you can write your own extend to a new chip... a few weeks ago i write my own to support the pwm chip that i have mentioned earlier
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[17:28] <saedelaere> clever, yes that sounds reasonable. I think in your own application you should always keep some kind of model that knows in what state your application is. even in a multithreading environment. but what about if several applications at a time try to access the gpio Oo
[17:28] <clever> saedelaere: i was thinking it should be kernel side, so the kernel spi and i2c drivers obey the rules
[17:29] <saedelaere> yes that would be nice
[17:29] <[SLB]> i have the zram module in
[17:29] <[SLB]> ./3.6.11+/kernel/drivers/staging/zram
[17:29] <[SLB]> ./3.6.11+/kernel/drivers/staging/zram/zram.ko
[17:29] <[SLB]> but not for 3.10.18+
[17:29] <clever> that would force you to unbind the spi/i2c driver to release the pins for gpio use
[17:29] <clever> and they will restore their own config when you re-bind them
[17:30] <clever> saedelaere: this shows an ugly hack that happens to be usefull for this: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/215
[17:30] <saedelaere> [SLB]: where did you get this kernel version? is this debian testing?
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[17:30] <biberao> yellow
[17:30] <[SLB]> via rpi-update, not sure
[17:31] <clever> saedelaere: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/368 this also mentions pinmux, which sounds related
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[17:31] <saedelaere> is rpi-update recommended to be used with raspbian. are you using raspbian?
[17:32] <[SLB]> raspbian yes, i always updated the system with apt-get upgrade and rpi-update for kernel/firmware
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[17:33] <[SLB]> Linux 3.10.18+ #594 PREEMPT Wed Nov 13 17:59:34 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[17:35] <saedelaere> i think you will get new kernels with apt-get on raspbian
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[17:35] <saedelaere> they just come a little bit later
[17:35] <funkster> so I am about to sell a product based on raspberry pi to a new local businesses. anyone suggest some simple protection i could do for the code on the SD card. as of now i converted from shell scripts to binary, and i have a script in startup that will look at mac address and shutdown if it doesnt match. - Anyone think of anthing else?
[17:36] <krautguy> hello, is there a way to access my raspberry pi, if i only have a netbook with one USB-slot left?
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[17:37] <saedelaere> krautguy: what has accessing a pi to do with the amount of usb slots you have left?
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> funkster: you could pot theboard.
[17:37] <[SLB]> saedelaere, you but then the module will also be missing in the apt-get upate probably if it's just a matter of time
[17:37] <funkster> SpeedEvil: whats that?
[17:37] <[SLB]> let's check the repos if i can find something there
[17:38] <krautguy> okay to be clear, i have no display.. the rasppy is booting raspbian, i wanna have access to the console :)
[17:38] <saedelaere> then ssh to it krautguy :)
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> funkster: Potting is a term for covering electronics in a compatible resin, or glue to make tampering harder.
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[17:39] <saedelaere> if you run windows use putty and connrect to the ip address of your pi
[17:39] <funkster> SpeedEvil: you mean glue the SD card to the raspberrypi?
[17:39] <biberao> anyone here uses omxplayer?
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> funkster: I mean encase the whole Pi in a solid box
[17:40] <krautguy> okay thats an idea, i'll try
[17:40] <krautguy> thanks
[17:40] <funkster> SpeedEvil: it is already, but there has to be a way to open it.. to some degree. so that kinda defeats my purpose
[17:41] <saedelaere> yw
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> funkster: Where are you?
[17:41] <funkster> SpeedEvil: US
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> Other than that - emphasise the legal protections - DCMA and copyright and ...
[17:42] <[SLB]> saedelaere, found this i was about to open one myself eheh https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/issues/33
[17:42] <funkster> i was referring to things i can do on the OS itself.
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[17:43] <biberao> is there a way to execute an app from ssh and tell the raspberry pi to output that thing im running for that hdmi/composite screen?
[17:43] <funkster> not outside factors
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[17:44] <SpeedEvil> funkster: In short - it depends on their resources.
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> funkster: Solutions that rely on encrypting the filesystem for example must rely on having the key available.
[17:45] <funkster> right, i looked into that.
[17:45] <funkster> that wouldn't work.
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[17:45] <SpeedEvil> So, you can make it really hard toread from a PC - but not impossible.
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> Qemu - for example.
[17:46] <funkster> the device would be rebooted several times though. i would not be onsite to enter in key
[17:47] <clever> funkster: you could generate the key from the serial# in /proc/cpuinfo
[17:47] <clever> thats basicaly how things like the ps3 and xbox secure the os
[17:47] <clever> but once your card is removed, anybody could read that, and your code, and just decrypt it directly
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[17:48] <funkster> yeah i think its worth doing though, this is only to protect from the average computer guy
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> The problem would be easy if you could store a write-only secret.
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> And that secret could be used by the Pi for decryption
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[17:49] <jlf> that wouldn't be write-only :p
[17:49] <clever> i think the pi does have a proper crypto module, to keep keys secret and do operations on it securely
[17:49] <clever> but i dont know if it has drivers yet
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[17:49] <SpeedEvil> jlf: If there was a write-only part of memory that could not be accessed by the processor - but could be hashed against.
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[17:50] <jlf> yeah i knew what you meant
[17:50] <clever> SpeedEvil: that gives me a crazy idea, buy an h264 decode key, and only boot if that key is valid
[17:50] <clever> reuse the gpu key crypto code
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> clever: Err -no.
[17:51] <clever> yeah, crazy idea
[17:51] <jlf> so a dedicated comparator tightly coupled to that key memory with rate-limited results
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> clever: Nothing stops the attacker also buying one fortheir Pi
[17:51] <clever> of course
[17:51] <wrabbit> or commenting out the valid h264 check
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> Unless there is a 'this pi is licenced to'
[17:52] <clever> would need to get the tpm style drivers working to do any kind of secure crypto
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> I suppose 'always online' isn't an option?
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[17:54] <SpeedEvil> If you could buy codecs which had DRM support, you could also do it.
[17:55] <clever> SpeedEvil: you could use the actual h264 unlock code as an encryption key for the hdd to mess with anybody trying to get their own code
[17:55] <clever> but thats still messy
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[17:55] <clever> and of course, once you read the code, just hard-code in the old h264 key
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> The problem is the unlock code has to be in the clear
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[17:59] <[SLB]> ok weird question, if i have backup of /boot folders with kernel images, is there a way to know which kernel number it was without booting the pi with it?
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[18:00] <clever> [SLB]: run 'file' on all of them
[18:00] <clever> /boot/vmlinuz-3.8.13-gentoo.old: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 3.8.13-gentoo (root@c2d) #1 SMP Fri Jun 28 22:59:00 ADT 2013, RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x4, Normal VGA
[18:00] <[SLB]> yeap it's what i thought too, it just says Linux kernel ARM boot executable zImage (little-endian)
[18:00] <[SLB]> hmm
[18:00] <[SLB]> moment
[18:00] <clever> thats what i get for running file on a random kernel in my desktop
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[18:01] <[SLB]> yea doesn't seem to work on the pi
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[18:15] <solar_sea> Hi, What's the current boot process on the pi ? When I had my first pi it was bootcode -> start.elf -> config.txt. Now I got a second one, installed NOOBS and the files on the sd card are named in a different way.
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[18:19] <ShorTie> that stuff is still in /boot
[18:20] <clever> solar_sea: bootrom -> bootcode.bin -> start.elf -> config.txt/kernel.img
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[19:03] <gkwhc> Hi everyone, I recently got a model A pi..how can one get started developing without having a monitor & ethernet connection?
[19:03] <Jusii> serial console
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[19:10] <SpeedEvil> Or add a wifi card
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[19:18] <torkelatgenet> +1 for serial console
[19:18] <gkwhc> is it possible through usb?
[19:19] <Jusii> yes
[19:19] <Jusii> i mean serial-usb cable
[19:19] <Jusii> https://www.modmypi.com/USB-to-TTL-Serial-Cable-Debug-Console-Cable-for-Raspberry-Pi?filter_name=serial
[19:19] <Armand> gkwhc: I hate to be the negative one, but I think the model A is a waste of money..
[19:19] <Armand> Sorry, guys..
[19:20] <gkwhc> a friend gave it to me, so thats what i have to work with for now :)
[19:21] <Armand> Ahhh... fair enough.
[19:21] <Armand> Ebay, cheapo USB > Wifi adapter. ;)
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[19:24] <Armand> I'd still advise using monitor & keyboard though.
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[19:31] <gkwhc> is there some way to cross compile or like use an emulator?
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[19:32] <Jusii> yes
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[19:33] <gkwhc> how?
[19:33] <Jusii> qemu and ubuntu even has cross-compiler available from standard repos
[19:34] <gkwhc> oh
[19:36] <Jusii> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation#2._Cross_compiling_from_Linux
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[19:41] <shawnbon206> yo
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[19:42] <gkwhc> cool thanks, I will read up on that
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[20:25] * LuisLeite good evening :3
[20:26] <sney> hi
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[20:54] <Nexuist> hi guys, i was wondering if the default raspbian image can be accessible via ssh on first boot?
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[20:54] <sney> it's not enabled in the current foundation image
[20:54] <Nefarious___> it was for me
[20:54] <AlanBell> Nexuist: no, it is one of the things you configure in the blue background menu at the first boot
[20:54] <Nexuist> ah darn
[20:55] <Nexuist> i was hoping i could do it without having to use a keyboard/monitor
[20:55] <AlanBell> could just about do it without a monitor
[20:55] <sney> if you use the netinstaller you can have it up and running headless
[20:55] <solar_sea> Does anyone have a uboot binary for the pi ? I'm trying to build one, but I'm getting "error: unknown type name 'ulong'" and it fails
[20:55] <Nexuist> sney: netinstaller? network image?
[20:56] <sney> Nexuist: https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[20:56] <Nexuist> sorry i have no idea what i'm doing :P
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[21:00] <Nexuist> sney: so my understanding is, i burn this to the card, and it sets up everything for me?
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[21:01] <sney> Nexuist: if that's what the readme says.
[21:01] <Nexuist> hmm
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[21:09] <[SLB]> Nexuist, i configured my raspbian image for ssh like this http://www.slblabs.com/2012/08/16/rpi-ssh-ip/
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[21:15] <AlanBell> Nexuist: the coder image does network boot out of the box, just a browser to configure it and I think it does ssh too
[21:16] <Nexuist> hm
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[21:26] <PyrO_70> gordonDrogon, hey, are you around ?
[21:26] <nsgn> well, i need to disable Ctrl Alt FunctionKey from being used at the command line on the pi. any advice? #debian seems fairly stumped by the request
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[21:26] <PyrO_70> I want to wrap wiringPi around in a C++ lib. But I'm having issue with the callbacks :p
[21:27] <Nexuist> i hope /dev/rdisk1 isn't my hard drive :P
[21:27] <PyrO_70> The fact the the callback doesn't have any information regarding which pin triggered it make it difficult to wrap :/
[21:28] <sney> Nexuist: you can check by running 'mount' and seeing what volumes are mounted
[21:29] <Nexuist> /dev/rdisk1 isn't showing up
[21:29] <Nexuist> guess i'm good :)
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[21:29] <sandman> Any idea why deborphan -a wouldn't pick up iceweasel?
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[22:08] <saedelaere> has anyone some suggestion on how to remotly debug a c++ application? Compiling and deploying is no problem. I also can attach via gdb command line tool to the gdbserver running on the pi. but this is not very convenient. unfortunately my IDE (qt-creator) does not allow for remote debugging when using a cmake based project.
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[22:10] <saedelaere> I have tried gdb -tui, kbbg (not running currently on archlinux), emacs, nemiver
[22:10] <saedelaere> but none of them worked as I am used to it.
[22:10] <saedelaere> nemiver was unusable
[22:11] <saedelaere> emacs is difficult to learn in only some minutes. but it also showed strange behaviour.
[22:11] <saedelaere> I thought remote debugging would be an easy task and now this :)
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[22:14] <saedelaere> just started ddd for the first time
[22:14] <saedelaere> wow, motif
[22:14] <saedelaere> i suppose this is tk 8.4
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[22:28] <shawnbon206> this is a stupid question i think, but...: after i shut down my rpi, i need to manually un plug and replug the power cable to get it to turn on again?
[22:28] <PyrO_70> shawnbon206, as far as I know, yes
[22:29] <wrabbit> or plug in a wifi dongle, that resets it
[22:30] <PyrO_70> really ?
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[22:31] <wrabbit> yeah lots of high power usb devices will cause it to reset
[22:31] <wrabbit> you need to plug them in before you turn it on
[22:31] <PyrO_70> That explain what i saw a few times
[22:31] <wrabbit> i was only joking about using it to reboot it, but it will work
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[22:33] <Nefarious___> rather than removing the micro USB from the pi, I would just flick the wall switch
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[22:33] <shawnbon206> is there a standby mode i can use for xbmc/ openelec? i left it on all night and when i pulled my usb stick outof it this morning it was very warm
[22:33] <sney> warm isn't a concern
[22:33] <Nefarious___> a molten raspberry pi would be of concern
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[22:34] <sney> yeah but it's not going to get anywhere near a dangerous heat level unless you're doing something very silly with it
[22:34] <shawnbon206> my cpu was at like 127 deg
[22:34] <shawnbon206> F
[22:34] <shawnbon206> on average when i checked it
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[22:34] <shawnbon206> how hot is too hot?
[22:34] <Nefarious___> "I use mine to measure the temperature of a volcano"
[22:34] <shawnbon206> i could easilystick some heat sinks on it
[22:35] <sney> if you're running it at normal voltage, even if you're overclocking there's no practical purpose for a heatsink
[22:35] <shawnbon206> unless youre overvolting for stability?
[22:35] <sney> I mean if you have some ramsink sitting around that fits and you feel like sticking it in, then whatever, but it's not worth going out of your way
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[22:35] <sney> right, and aiui it has to be a lot
[22:35] <shawnbon206> gotcha
[22:36] <sney> 127F is a fine idle temperature
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[22:36] <shawnbon206> is there any wiki on overclocking? all the guides i saw just said "do it little by little" but didnt really say how big "little" is
[22:37] <sney> 50Mhz increments is a fairly standard way to go
[22:37] <shawnbon206> it seems to be handling all my video needs perfectly so i shoud just leave it alone unless i find a reason
[22:37] <sney> yes
[22:37] <shawnbon206> probally networking will be my bottleneck
[22:38] <sney> network or disk i/o is where it happens
[22:38] <shawnbon206> well i will be streaming so streaming doesnt use disk it just uses ram, right?
[22:39] <shawnbon206> man i would so pay a little bit more for a rpi which had fewer limitations
[22:39] <sney> cubieboard
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[22:55] <Cheekio> anyone familiar with bridging an ethernet port to connect to your rapsberry pi?
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[22:57] <Nefarious___> I tried and failed
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[22:57] <Nefarious___> Ubuntu messed up
[22:57] <shawnbon206> http://www.viaembedded.com/en/products/boards/1950/1/EPIA-P910.html <--- i should have gotten this
[22:58] <Cheekio> trying now
[22:58] <Cheekio> apparently it's possible, but who knows if I can do it.
[22:58] <Nefarious___> shawnbon206: how much is it? looks awesome
[22:59] <Nefarious___> Shame I'm in the UK
[22:59] <shawnbon206> oh darn its like $300
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[23:00] <shawnbon206> http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-27518546784426_2272_23514036
[23:00] <shawnbon206> http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-27518546784426_2272_23399621 sorry the last one was the thumbnail
[23:02] <shawnbon206> it says DX11 3d graphics are in the realm of its possiblilty
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[23:03] <shawnbon206> stereoscopic 3D displays
[23:03] <shawnbon206> its for the digital sinage market
[23:03] <sney> via always oversells the capabilities of their stuff
[23:03] <sney> I'm sure it's fine
[23:03] <sney> but it's probably not amazing
[23:03] <shawnbon206> yeah it's overpriced too
[23:04] <sney> cubieboard is $60 and still arm, like the pi, but it has sata and a better cpu and other things
[23:04] <shawnbon206> i read somewhere the allwinner cpu's are bunk
[23:05] <sney> you know what else is bunk? broadcom :P
[23:05] <shawnbon206> i read it somewhere that makes it true ;(
[23:05] <shawnbon206> )
[23:05] <shawnbon206> that was a epoch fail
[23:05] <shawnbon206> emote fail
[23:05] <sney> multi-fail
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[23:09] <Cheekio> man
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[23:09] <Cheekio> setting up ubuntu as a router is not very hard when you know what you're doing
[23:10] <sney> yep, iproute2 is pretty foolproof
[23:10] <Cheekio> but when you don't know, holy moly, this stuff is not clear at all.
[23:10] <Cheekio> http://www.yourownlinux.com/2013/07/how-to-configure-ubuntu-as-router.html
[23:10] <Armand> Cheekio: Fancy setting up BIND on CentOS for me?? :P
[23:10] <sney> "bridging" is not the right term, anyway. if you search for briding you're going to get confused
[23:10] <Cheekio> haha
[23:10] <sney> ugh, bind
[23:10] <Cheekio> I'd be happier trying that.
[23:10] <Armand> I'd rather do it myself.. gonna be fun.
[23:10] <Armand> sney ?
[23:11] <sney> yeah at least when you're dealing with DNS you know it's supposed to be voodoo and you can just be ready with your bag of beans and chicken bones and ritual chants
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[23:11] <Armand> Well, yeah.. lol
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[23:11] <Armand> Thankfully I have SysOps ninjas close at hand. :D
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> PyrO_70, ping
[23:12] <shawnbon206> openbsd for router
[23:12] <shawnbon206> dude
[23:13] <PyrO_70> gordonDrogon, pong
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[23:13] <gordonDrogon> PyrO_70, good luck with c++ - putting the callback inside a class probably won't work.
[23:13] <PyrO_70> gordonDrogon, yes, it doesn't
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> PyrO_70, it's because the ISR code needs the fixed address of the function - which is sort of unknown until you instantiate the class.
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> you might get away with calling the isr setup inside the class creator function.
[23:14] <Armand> sney: Care to suggest options for creating my own nameserver?
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> or re-write in C rather than c++
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[23:14] <PyrO_70> I would need to pin number as a parameter of the function
[23:14] <shawnbon206> Cheekio: y u no use openbsd?
[23:14] <PyrO_70> that would solve everything
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> wiringPiISR already takes the pin number..
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[23:15] <Cheekio> shawnbon206, what's openbsd?
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[23:15] <PyrO_70> yes, but the function that is called doesn't know what was the pin number that triggered the callback
[23:15] <sney> Armand: if you don't need full bind functionality, dnsmasq is much easier to deal with
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> PyrO_70, you create a different function for each pin.
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> then you know which pin fired the interrupt.
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[23:16] <PyrO_70> yes, but it doesn't work for a Object Oriented design
[23:16] <PyrO_70> as you can't callback a class method
[23:17] <Armand> sney: As we deploy bind for our own services, I'd rather stick with that.. But, it's not critical to *our* infrastructure. ;)
[23:17] <Armand> It's only for my own sites.
[23:17] <sney> yeah if you already know bind well enough and are comfortable with it, then stick with bind
[23:17] <Armand> I don't know it at all.. lol
[23:17] <Armand> I need to learn it.
[23:17] <PyrO_70> gordonDrogon, I'll change the wiringPi code to pass on the pin number to the function as a parameters
[23:18] <PyrO_70> (and change function prototype)
[23:18] <PyrO_70> test that, if it works fine, and check if it's enough
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> PyrO_70, feel free - you have the code...
[23:18] <PyrO_70> gordonDrogon, yep ;)
[23:19] <PyrO_70> I'll send you a patch if you're interested ;)
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> no thanks.
[23:19] <shawnbon206> Cheekio: linux will do what youre trying to do, but openbsd is better documented and its capible of doing what you are trying to do better
[23:19] <PyrO_70> gordonDrogon, ok ;)
[23:19] <shawnbon206> -1 better
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> if I wanted it that way I'd have done it that way in the first place. it adds another level of innefficiency to an already inefficient system )-:
[23:20] <PyrO_70> wouldn't be inefficient.
[23:20] <PyrO_70> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41887 I'm not the only one :p
[23:20] <Triffid_Hunter> Cheekio: linux router? easy :) echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE; then set up dnsmasq and dhcpd
[23:20] <PyrO_70> I don't agree with point #2 tho :)
[23:21] <Cheekio> shawnbon206: My pendulum has swung away from better/requiring more customization to adequate/works out of the box, so now I'm using ubuntu. I imagine It'll swing back toward more customization/better solutions soon, but I right now I don't have time to really get into the details!
[23:21] <Cheekio> Triffid_Hunter, I'll try that if I can't get my head around this current setup, I'm like half way through
[23:22] <shawnbon206> Cheekio: good point. ubuntu server is the fastest to setup.
[23:23] <Cheekio> I look forward to when things aren't so crazy that I can really get lost in the details again
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> the whole point of having one function per pin is to completely separate pin functions and interrupts.
[23:24] <shawnbon206> Cheekio: are you using a regular atx mobo?
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> in a microcontroller you'd not do it any other way.
[23:24] <Armand> sney: Essentially what I'll be doing is, setting up subdomains (or individual domains) to point to separate servers (or accounts) internally without having to assign them an external IP. I know I'll need some kind of proxy set up, but the main point is having my own nameservers.
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> you'd have the interrupt vectoered to the handler in as quick as way as possible.
[23:25] <Cheekio> shawnbon206, I'm using an ancient laptop made by Lenovo.
[23:25] <sney> Armand: you're already over my head re: dns. I should learn it some day
[23:25] <Cheekio> it's from 2006. Turns out if all you want is basic programming and wordprocessing old tech works fine.
[23:25] <Armand> sney: I work for a UK-based webhosting provider, so I've got lots to learn. :)
[23:26] <PyrO_70> gordonDrogon, all right
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[23:30] <Armand> sney: I'm looking at a server with 2x gigabit ports, running 2 nameservers and the required proxy service. Behind the webservers I'll have a dedicated database server.
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> not going to run it on a Pi then ;-)
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[23:32] <Armand> Nope.. some of the sites will be on rPi though. ;)
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[23:32] <Armand> I'm going to throw in a mix.. rPi, Arndale, Wandboard, x86_64 servers and such.
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[23:34] <Kriss_> Hi guys. uhmm am i the onlyone getting youtube plugin for raspbmc not working ? it will search fine but wont play videos
[23:34] <Kriss_> i cant figure out why.. the onscreen errror tells me to check the logfile but it doesnt give any clues as far as i can see
[23:34] <biberao> hi
[23:35] <biberao> gordonDrogon: got a min?
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[23:41] <PyrO_70> shawnbon206, P6, that is what you want btw !
[23:41] <PyrO_70> shawnbon206, http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#P6_header
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> biberao, gone to bed - or heading that way, but if you're quick...
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[23:44] <biberao> gordonDrogon: you know if its possible to make like an app output to a hdmi/composite
[23:44] <biberao> from a remote ssh?
[23:45] <biberao> send to a different screen?
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure it is, but I've never tried it.
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> you could open /dev/fb for example to output to the current framebuffer device - that'll be hdmi or composite, depending on which was initialised..
[23:46] <pksato> tvservice switch between cbs and hdmi
[23:47] <sney> running omxplayer over a ssh session just outputs to hdmi/composite
[23:47] <biberao> sney: yes
[23:47] <biberao> thats why i asked if i could use any other app
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> zzz time...
[23:47] <biberao> to do the same
[23:47] <biberao> like ipython for example
[23:47] <biberao> ideas?
[23:48] <pksato> any that use FB as out.
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[23:49] <biberao> pksato: any example?
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[23:50] <pksato> X11?
[23:50] <biberao> i dont know omxplayer does it
[23:50] <biberao> i mean
[23:50] <biberao> i never do a startx before using omxplayer
[23:51] <biberao> when running omxplayer it starts x11?
[23:51] <pksato> omxplayer send data direct to GPU, dont need X11
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[23:52] <biberao> ohh
[23:52] <biberao> how?
[23:53] <chris_99> just run it from a terminal without X :)
[23:54] <biberao> but you see i want from remote to run it
[23:54] <biberao> and show some opengl output
[23:54] <biberao> or something
[23:55] <chris_99> i don't understand
[23:56] <chris_99> you want to play a video remotely on your tv?
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[23:59] <biberao> chris_99: no
[23:59] <biberao> i want to have ipython act similar like omxplayer
[23:59] <biberao> running it from remote and being displayed on the tv or something

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