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IRC Log for 2013-11-17

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[0:00] <biberao> without startx and so on
[0:00] <chris_99> oh
[0:00] <chris_99> i've no idea about that sorry
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[0:02] <sney> if I were to try doing that, I'd probably look first at the source of omxplayer
[0:02] <biberao> ok thanks
[0:02] <biberao> sney: thats what im doing
[0:02] <biberao> it seems it runs on the framebuffer
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[0:03] <pksato> echo "all your tty are belong to us." >/dev/tty1
[0:04] <biberao> ?
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[0:05] <pksato> or, use lin like pygame.
[0:05] <pksato> lib
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[0:06] <biberao> explain
[0:07] <pksato> also too sdl.
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[0:10] <shawnbon206> you guys, deluged, rtorrent, or transmissiond?
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[0:10] <biberao> pksato: be more explicit?
[0:11] <pksato> explain that? you can (as root) open any tty and write text on it. Or can use graphics libs like SDL and pygame to write apps that display images or others on framebuffer.
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[0:11] <pksato> and have openmax libs.
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[0:16] <biberao> so basically
[0:16] <biberao> i can from remote tell that app to open a an ipython thingy on that tty
[0:16] <biberao> or framebuffer
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[0:18] <pksato> I dont know thta is ipython.
[0:18] <biberao> just an example i mean
[0:18] <biberao> i gotta try
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[0:19] <pksato> example for that?
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[0:20] <biberao> i mean
[0:20] <biberao> i was just giving an example by saying ipython
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[0:21] <pksato> like any other apps.
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[0:24] <biberao> gotta test
[0:24] <biberao> i found one code but i lost it
[0:25] <biberao> like this
[0:25] <biberao> from xvfbwrapper import Xvfb
[0:25] <biberao> vdisplay = Xvfb()
[0:25] <biberao> vdisplay.start()
[0:25] <biberao> and run the rest of the app
[0:25] <biberao> could work
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[0:27] <pksato> -\/-
[0:28] <biberao> ?
[0:29] <biberao> it seems omxplayer uses sdl
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[0:30] <biberao> thanks for pointing me your solutions
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[0:31] <biberao> it seems that i found the way
[0:31] <biberao> thanks
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[0:46] <Nexuist> pi filler is wonderful
[0:46] <Nexuist> <3
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[0:56] <biberao> pksato: whats the best framebuffer to use with pygame
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[0:56] <biberao> i mean backed?
[0:56] <biberao> *backend
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[1:17] <kandinski> I read recently about a js library for frp linking of couchdb documents and js objects
[1:17] <kandinski> where frp == functional reactive programming
[1:17] <kandinski> oops, wrong channel, sorry
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[1:25] <Nexuist> alright so i've got the sd card burned and the pi plugged in
[1:25] <Nexuist> don't have a monitor or keyboard though
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[1:33] <happygilmoregent> can raspbian be configured to run on anything other than proprietary arch?
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[1:39] <happygilmoregent> I so need a raz box
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[1:41] <Macuser> 3d print one
[1:41] <Macuser> That's what Im gonna do with my school's 3d printer
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[1:45] <happygilmoregent> all monitors to a box are usb?
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[1:46] <happygilmoregent> what's the difference b/w model a and b
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[1:53] <azizLIGHTS> how long does pi take to generate ssh key
[1:54] <azizLIGHTS> also, what is the difference between the key generated when you do dpkg reconfigure openssh-server vs ssh-keygen -t rsa
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[1:55] <Triffid_Hunter> azizLIGHTS: well one's a server key, the other is a user key.. don't think there's any difference in the key itself, just where it's put
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[2:24] <Kake_Fisk> So I can't get the wifi to work
[2:24] <Kake_Fisk> When I do iwconfig
[2:24] <Kake_Fisk> It says I'm connected to the network
[2:24] <Kake_Fisk> But can't go to internet and such
[2:25] <Kake_Fisk> ESSID:"..." Doesn't that mean I'm connected?
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[2:26] <Triffid_Hunter> Kake_Fisk: does iwconfig list a cell address?
[2:27] <Kake_Fisk> Not as I can see
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[2:27] <Triffid_Hunter> Kake_Fisk: if it says "Access Point: Not-Associated" then you're not associated
[2:28] <Triffid_Hunter> Kake_Fisk: if it says Access Point: <bunch of hexadecimal with colons> then the wireless is connected
[2:28] <Kake_Fisk> It does state access point
[2:29] <Kake_Fisk> So I wonder what's wrong
[2:32] <Kake_Fisk> Maybe the password is wrong or something
[2:34] <Kake_Fisk> Would I see the access point if I wrote the wrong password?
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[2:35] <Triffid_Hunter> Kake_Fisk: only momentarily during auth.. may want to fire up wpa_gui or wpa_cli monitor and see what's going on
[2:36] <Kake_Fisk> wpa_gui only retries to connect all the time, I think
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[2:37] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah it does that if wrong password or out of range, or wifi adapter having a bad hair day
[2:37] <Kake_Fisk> It says 4 way handshake. Then disconnected.
[2:38] <Triffid_Hunter> which they frequently do with the rpi, because it can't supply enough power for many of them.. try putting it on the other side of a powered hub
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[2:38] <Kake_Fisk> Oh, the wifi adapter might be the problem then
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[2:38] <Kake_Fisk> It's not designed for the raspberry
[2:39] <Triffid_Hunter> if you got the relevant driver it should work ok assuming adequate power
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[2:39] <Triffid_Hunter> Kake_Fisk: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG <-- I did this to mine to improve the power situation greatly
[2:40] <Kake_Fisk> Do you barrow some power from GPIO?
[2:40] <Kake_Fisk> I don't know so much about electronics
[2:40] <Triffid_Hunter> Kake_Fisk: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0059.JPG <-- I run the whole thing from gpio
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[2:41] <uniqdom> guys, how can I start an X app at logon? but not the whole X desktop system?
[2:42] <Triffid_Hunter> uniqdom: xinit /path/to/your/app in a startup script
[2:42] <Triffid_Hunter> uniqdom: the server will shut down if/when the app exits
[2:42] <Triffid_Hunter> great for games :)
[2:43] <uniqdom> that what i want :)
[2:43] <uniqdom> so... do I need to disable the X in raspi-config??
[2:44] <Triffid_Hunter> uniqdom: either that, or tell X that your game is the session manager ;)
[2:45] <uniqdom> where should I setup that second option?
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[2:49] <clever> uniqdom: make a bash script at ~/.xinitrc
[2:50] <clever> uniqdom: and startx will run that as the session manager
[2:50] <uniqdom> thanks :)
[2:51] <Kake_Fisk> I managed to connect now
[2:51] <Kake_Fisk> But it still doesn't allow me on the internet
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[2:52] <clever> Kake_Fisk: what happens if you try to run 'ping google.com'
[2:52] <Kake_Fisk> I'll try that, just a sec
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[2:53] <Kake_Fisk> I can say that lan works as I managed to connect via putty
[2:54] <Kake_Fisk> ping google.com gave me network is unreachable
[2:54] <clever> Kake_Fisk: is a nameserver set in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[2:54] <Kake_Fisk> no
[2:54] <Kake_Fisk> What is that?
[2:54] <clever> thats needed to connect to anything
[2:55] <clever> run cat /etc/resolv.conf
[2:55] <clever> does it show a nameserver?
[2:55] <Kake_Fisk> It shows router
[2:55] <clever> and can you ping that addr?
[2:55] <Kake_Fisk> yes
[2:56] <clever> dont know what else to check then
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[2:56] <Kake_Fisk> Thanks for the help anyway :|
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[2:56] <Kake_Fisk> It it only supposed to be router address in resolv.conf?
[2:56] <ElTimo_> Is there anyone that can help me configure dovecot? I'm pulling my hair out trying to get it to send an email.
[2:57] <clever> Kake_Fisk: it should be set to whatever your dns server is
[2:57] <Kake_Fisk> oh
[2:59] * [Saint] wonders about the throughput of using pigeons to send email
[3:00] <[Saint]> Ohhh....dovecot(without an e)
[3:00] <[Saint]> Well, that makes a little more sense.
[3:00] <ElTimo_> lol
[3:00] <piney0> i would me more worried about packet loss than throughput
[3:01] <piney0> be*
[3:01] <ElTimo_> [Saint], It'd be easier than dealing with this crap.
[3:01] <clever> piney0: id be more worried about latency
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[3:28] <hosler> im thinking about getting this: http://www.amazon.com/SunFounder-modules-Arduino-Mega2560-Mega328/dp/B00CBDUD60/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1384655208&sr=1-1&keywords=arduino+sensors
[3:28] <hosler> i already have an ADC and logic level converters. so i should have no problems with these, right?
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[3:35] <Jeebiss> hosler: yeah, as long as you can handle 5v logic, which most of those would be
[3:36] <hosler> Jeebiss: i wish i could find a pack full of sensors that are 3.3 volts
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[3:36] <Jeebiss> in general, there arent a lot of 33v sensors
[3:36] <Jeebiss> id just get used to having to use logic level convertes
[3:36] * [Saint] adds a decimal
[3:37] <Jeebiss> right, 3.3 lol
[3:37] <Jeebiss> Although, I bet a handfull of those are 3.3/5v
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[3:37] <Jeebiss> But withotu further research, I couldnt say for sure
[3:37] <[Saint]> Definitely not 33, though. :)
[3:38] <hosler> Jeebiss: im thinking about getting an abelectronic IO buffer. it's pretty much a 5v to 3.3v converter
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[3:38] <hosler> Jeebiss: do you have a favorite logic level converter?
[3:39] <Jeebiss> I was just digging up the link,
[3:39] <Jeebiss> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12009
[3:39] <Jeebiss> I have about a half dozen of them
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[3:40] <Mogwai> Anyone else having a non-booting pi after updating to the current github kernel?
[3:42] <[Saint]> Mogwai: that pretty much means "you messed up your boot partition"
[3:42] <[Saint]> The current kernel is indeed fine.
[3:43] <Mogwai> [Saint]: Nah, if I copy over the /boot/kernel.img and friends from a couple of days ago, it boots fine again
[3:43] <[Saint]> so...parts of the boot partiiton, then?
[3:43] <[Saint]> Gee...
[3:44] <hosler> Jeebiss: do you hook up the high voltage to the 5v GPO pin and the low voltage to a 3.3v GPO?
[3:44] <[Saint]> Do they give an md5sum? I was pretty sure they did. Have you compared them?
[3:45] <[Saint]> It may also be a kernel/firmware missmatch?
[3:45] <[Saint]> I'm fairly certain my pi(s) are on git head and running fine.
[3:46] <[Saint]> Yep. 3.12 branch here.
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[3:47] <clever> trying to get device-tree to do something on my pi
[3:47] <Mogwai> [Saint]: 3.10 is master, no?
[3:47] <clever> but when i add disable_commandline_tags=1, it just stops booting completely
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[3:48] <[Saint]> Mogwai: Oh, sorry. When you said "current" I assumed you meant "the most recent".
[3:48] <[Saint]> And, yes.
[3:49] <Mogwai> [Saint]: Ah yeah, my bad .. I meant what running an "rpi-update" tonight would give you
[3:49] <[Saint]> Gah! Either I'm blind, or there actually aren't verified sums.
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[3:55] <[Saint]> Its been a long while since I was on 3.10.*, but when I was...it did work.
[3:55] <[Saint]> I mean, that should be the kernel shipping with current images, which one should hope boots fine.
[3:56] <clever> Linux pi 3.10.18+ #6 PREEMPT Sat Nov 16 20:15:36 AST 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[3:56] <clever> but its a custom build, not the git one
[3:57] <clever> it does work, as long as i dont mess with config.txt too much
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[4:05] <[Saint]> this guy should've used a raspberrypi: https://youtube.googleapis.com/v/RutNzzRvhd0
[4:05] <[Saint]> (quick way to get the NSA's interest - remember to say hi when they turn on your webcam! :))
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[4:08] <[Saint]> ...TSA probably won't be your friend either.
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[4:48] <Kake_Fisk> I managed to get wifi and sound to work now :)
[4:48] <Kake_Fisk> Do anybody have any experience with thepihut by the way?
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[4:53] <[Saint]> Kake_Fisk: only that they're a *huge* rip-off...
[4:54] <[Saint]> Like pretty much all "raspi-specific dealers"
[4:54] <[Saint]> £29.99 for a raspi? ...c'mon!
[4:54] <Kake_Fisk> They lost my parcel during transit
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[4:54] <Kake_Fisk> How much is the raspi supposed to cost?
[4:54] <[Saint]> ~$35USD
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[4:55] <[Saint]> (which would work out to ~£21
[4:55] <[Saint]> )
[4:56] <[Saint]> AFAIK they're not an "approved ratailer", which basically means they're buying in bulk from other retailers and slapping on an additional cost for doing nothing but lose Kake_Fisk's parcell :)
[4:57] <hosler> anyone know a good totebag for a pi hobbyist?
[4:57] <Nexuist> lol
[4:57] <Kake_Fisk> I think I paid ~$50 for my rpi
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[4:57] <hosler> i paid 38
[4:58] <[Saint]> Very many retailers have learned that you can slap "for raspberry pi" on to pretty much any existing product and charge at least 20% more for it.
[4:58] <ElTimo_> Is anyone here familiar with postfix?
[4:58] <[Saint]> Its disgusting.
[4:58] <Kake_Fisk> What I tried to buy from thepihut was blackberry case and wifi adapter
[4:58] <[Saint]> ...and then people still ask "well, where do I buy it from then?"
[4:58] <hosler> you guys see the udoo yet?
[4:58] <[Saint]> ...uh, the many approved ratailers, perhaps? :)
[4:58] <Kake_Fisk> I honestly do not know
[4:58] <Kake_Fisk> Do they ship to the world?
[4:59] <[Saint]> E14 does.
[4:59] <Kake_Fisk> ah
[4:59] <[Saint]> Well...they ship to New Zealand, where I am, pretty hard to get more remote than that.
[4:59] <[Saint]> Not impossible, but difficult.
[4:59] <Kake_Fisk> I bought from a Norwegian webshop so I didn't have to pay toll customs. And it wasn't that expensive for a computer
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[5:00] <[Saint]> Ah, yes. Customs and duties taxes can be annoying.
[5:01] <Kake_Fisk> Yeah, Norway have very strict importing rules
[5:01] <[Saint]> Kake_Fisk: all the dealers on the left here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[5:01] <Kake_Fisk> Yeah, I see
[5:01] <[Saint]> RS, E14, AlliedElectronics
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[5:01] * [Saint] apparently can't tell his left from right
[5:01] <Kake_Fisk> But right now, I only need my case and a wifi adapter
[5:02] <[Saint]> IS the parcel tracked?
[5:02] <[Saint]> Because, if not, they just get to say "well, it left the warehouse...", and you're pretty much fudged.
[5:02] <Kake_Fisk> I got a refund, but they don't want to resend. And now they don't answer my mail
[5:03] <[Saint]> Ah, refund. Nice.
[5:03] <Kake_Fisk> They apparently don't want to take my mone
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[5:03] <[Saint]> Nor would I give it to them.
[5:03] <[Saint]> Go with an approved ratailer.
[5:03] <[Saint]> *re
[5:03] <Kake_Fisk> Do approved retailer sell accessories like that? :o
[5:04] <[Saint]> Yes.
[5:04] <[Saint]> RS definitely does.
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[5:05] <shawnbon206> ok. does anyone know why this happened? i had a sdcard with NOOBS which i used to install openelec, i shut down my Pi and then pulled the sdcard out and then inserted it into my computer, i did nothing to it, i just viewed it's contents. then when i put it back and booted it up openelec gave me a error cp: read error: Input/output error
[5:05] <shawnbon206> Error in prepare_sysroot: mount_common: Could not mount /dev/SYSTEM
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[5:06] <Kake_Fisk> They have the wifi adapter, but not my favorite case :|
[5:06] <shawnbon206> what role does the sdcard play in the system exactly? i thought there was a emmc which the OS was installed on
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[5:07] <[Saint]> shawnbon206: the /boot partition resides thereon.
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[5:07] <[Saint]> Well, in a defaut setup, *everything* resides thereon.
[5:07] <[Saint]> They have no internal storage that matters to us.
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[5:07] <[Saint]> Kake_Fisk: try the pimoroni crew: http://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/raspberry-pi
[5:08] <[Saint]> most cases between 6 and 10GBP
[5:08] <Kake_Fisk> they have my case
[5:08] <shawnbon206> [Saint]: boot partition is on the sdcard?
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[5:09] <[Saint]> shawnbon206: if you haven't modified it yourself, both /boot and / partitions are on the sdcard.
[5:09] <clever> shawnbon206: all partitions are on the sdcard
[5:09] <[Saint]> But only the /boot partition needs to be there.
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[5:09] <shawnbon206> [Saint]: thank you. i know what to do now
[5:10] <Kake_Fisk> This case looks so good in my eyes. What do you guys think? http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/blackberry-case-for-raspberry-pi
[5:10] <Kake_Fisk> I like really really want it
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[5:12] <shawnbon206> just 3d print a case
[5:12] <shawnbon206> thats what i did
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[5:13] <Kake_Fisk> I don't have a 3d printer available. But I have a hard time believing it is nicer than this case
[5:13] <Kake_Fisk> I can afford a case and I want a good one.
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[5:15] <Kake_Fisk> I think I'll order from modmypi. I get under the free duty limit if I order from there.
[5:16] <[Saint]> The same "possibly shady retailer" warning applies.
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[5:17] <Kake_Fisk> But pimorini was much more expensive
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[5:31] <Kake_Fisk> Ordered now :)
[5:32] <Kake_Fisk> Hope I actually get the package this time :p
[5:35] <RiXtEr> Kake_Fisk: http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pibow-sleek looks nicer to me ;)
[5:35] <Kake_Fisk> Yeah, I see. I want my pi to be neutral though
[5:36] <Kake_Fisk> I don't want people to see the board
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[5:39] <[Saint]> some matt aint'd fix that right up.
[5:39] <[Saint]> *paint
[5:39] <Kake_Fisk> :p
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[5:46] <RiXtEr> I think I am going to go with the Altoids tin https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A92BJfWCEAAyFz5.jpg:large I have one with a lady in a bikin on the front (looks vintage if there is such a thing) :)
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[5:48] <[Saint]> You need to snip the edges of the board away a little.
[5:48] <[Saint]> If its a standard altoids tin.
[5:48] <[Saint]> The corners mean it won't fit "as is"
[5:48] <[Saint]> You can punch out the corners of the tin, but that kinda lessens the effect.
[5:48] <[Saint]> s/kinds/drastically/
[5:49] <[Saint]> *kinda
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[6:07] <meowsus> So I'm running Berryboot to dual boot Raspian and OpenELEC. My config file is located at /media/<device_id>/config.txt, which is a mirror image of this file https://github.com/Evilpaul/RPi-config/blob/master/config.txt obviously with some setting activated.
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[6:09] <meowsus> I have tried tons of hdmi_modes but my TV won't get out of 640x480. When I run `tvservice -m CEA` I get nothing, and when I run `tservice -m DMT` I get one mode, which I'm assuming is what the screen is displaying because of the 640 part of the line.
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[6:10] <meowsus> Does that mean my TV's edid is only reporting that it can support that HDMI mode? Is there anything I can do to get my TV to display at a higher resolution?
[6:10] <meowsus> I've also have the edid dump file on hand, if anyone needs to take a look.
[6:10] <meowsus> ... and can help...
[6:10] <clever> you can use config.txt to force any mode you want
[6:11] <clever> meowsus: http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video
[6:11] <meowsus> clever: That's what it seemed like. I've tried many hdmi_modes, nothing will change the resolution it seems.
[6:11] <clever> you need to set both mode and group
[6:11] <meowsus> clever: looking now.
[6:11] <clever> the wiki lists what the mode means for every combination of group and mode
[6:12] <meowsus> clever: I've set both mode and group, with multiple combinations of 720p displays and/or 1024x768, depending on group.
[6:13] <meowsus> Let me see if I can't pull out my current config, clever, if you wouldn't mind taking a look to see if I have anything configured strangely. Would you mind?
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[6:13] <clever> if its not working with both set, then maybe it just doesnt support it
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[6:17] <meowsus> clever: have you ever decoded an edid? I figured if i decoded the edid it would tell me what modes are actually supported, since `tvservice -m DMT` only produced one mode.
[6:18] <meowsus> It's kind of weird to think that my TV would only support one single mode.
[6:18] <clever> meowsus: the wiki tells you how to read the edid
[6:18] <clever> ctrl+f for edidparser on the page i linked
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[6:20] <meowsus> clever: I don't see where it tells you how to read it, only how to decode it. I decoded it and read it. There were many modes it says it supports, but if I put in those corresponding integers next to that resolution when I reboot it's always back in 640, no matter what.
[6:21] <meowsus> Thanks for helping me troubleshoot, btw
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[6:22] <clever> can you pastebin your config.txt?
[6:22] <clever> and the output of edidparser
[6:22] <meowsus> Absolutely. Give me one second.
[6:22] <meowsus> Well, a few seconds.
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[6:36] <meowsus> https://gist.github.com/meowsus/7509711
[6:36] <meowsus> clever: sorry for the wait
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[6:48] <clever> meowsus: you have it set to 1080p, but the edid says it only supports interlaced at 1080
[6:49] <clever> and 1080i is just 540 lines per field
[6:49] <clever> so the one its picking automaticaly, 1366x768 has more lines
[6:49] <clever> and is progressive
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[6:51] * clever heads to med
[6:51] <clever> bed*
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[7:03] <meowsus> Hm. Well, the one it's really picking seems to be 640x480. Should I set the hdmi_group to 1 or 2 and the hdmi_mode to either 39 or 40? That's kind of what I don't get, the differentiation between CEA and DMT
[7:03] <meowsus> I read something about DMT being a DMI out sort of thing
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[7:06] <meowsus> clever: I'm trying hdmi_group=1, hdmi_mode=39 now.
[7:08] <meowsus> clever: also, that config file just represents my most recent test. I've been trying combos for two nights now.
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[8:23] <shawnbon206> yo
[8:23] <shawnbon206> i need to buy a sdcard
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[8:23] <shawnbon206> any reccomendations?
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[8:37] <[Saint]> shawnbon206: don't buy cheap, Anything greater than Class 6 is irrelevant.
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[8:38] <[Saint]> (well, higher class cards will be a lot faster to read and write from on /other/ devices, but, not on the pi - so if the read/write speed from other devices bothers you, get a higer class if you want)
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[8:39] <[Saint]> Personally, I'm just using a tiny wee 512MB Class 6 card with nothing but /boot on it
[8:40] <shawnbon206> i am planning on doing network copying
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[8:40] <shawnbon206> e.g i have a 10gb video on my NAS and the network speed is too slow to stream it
[8:41] <ShadowJK> Higher class cards tend to be slower at random writes, in any device.
[8:41] <shawnbon206> so i should just get a class 6 or a class 4 then
[8:41] <[Saint]> Your network is likely fast enough - the pi probably won't be.
[8:42] <shawnbon206> the pi wont be fast enough for what?
[8:42] <ShadowJK> I'd recommend "Samsung Pro" or Sandisk Ultra MicroSDHC
[8:42] <shawnbon206> oh you mean the I/O will be th bottleneck?
[8:42] <[Saint]> shawnbon206: the total amount of throughput on the pi is severely limited.
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[8:43] <[Saint]> All IO shares a single bus
[8:44] <[Saint]> well, not all, no - but all you care about for this application.
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[8:45] <[Saint]> Hmmm...actually, it should be able to handle it.
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[8:46] <shawnbon206> hmm
[8:46] <shawnbon206> for sharing to xbmc, does anyone know if xbmc will see network ftp shares?
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[8:47] <shawnbon206> or should i stick with smb
[8:47] <[Saint]> I haven't tried to stream media in this fashion. the pi is directly hooked to a large media disc.
[8:47] <shawnbon206> disc?
[8:47] <[Saint]> *k
[8:47] <[Saint]> :)
[8:47] <shawnbon206> oh
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[8:48] <shawnbon206> i was going to go play freisbee golf
[8:48] <shawnbon206> back now
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[8:48] <[Saint]> They're trying to get that into the olympics.
[8:49] <[Saint]> As well as hide and seek.
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[8:49] <[Saint]> Sounds like a joke, but...nope, they're dead serious about Olympic hide and seek.
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[8:52] <[Saint]> Perhaps one day you'll be able to represent your nation in Olympic Frisbee Golf (though I think there is some issue with Frisbee being a trademark and it gets called a "flying disc" or so)
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[9:34] <kylethebaker> my lan controller gets really hot
[9:36] <kylethebaker> if i touch it for more than a couple of seconds it starts to burn, almost to the point where i need to pull away but then its fine
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[9:37] <kylethebaker> and actually, if i do it with my pinky, where i dont have any callouses, i can't hold it there because it gets so hot
[9:38] <kylethebaker> should i be concerned about this? i'm using ethernet over wifi because i love the super low latency, im thinking about pulling a heatsink from some old parts for it, id rather not use a fan because i like the silence
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[9:51] <[Saint]> kylethebaker: "really hot" to a human is ~45-55C
[9:51] <[Saint]> "really hot" a most electronic components is ~80C
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[9:51] <[Saint]> *to most
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[9:52] <[Saint]> The TL;DR version is: "No, don't worry about this - the pi is perfectly capable of managing this itself."
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[9:56] <kylethebaker> i'm going to look into it a bit more tomorrow and get some accurate temperatures, i can feel the heat on my usb connectors when i pull it out and its a little disconcerting. its hopefully within acceptable limits, but i can't really be certain doing the touch test
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[9:59] <[Saint]> kylethebaker: there is absolutely no need for you to concern yourself with this at all.
[9:59] <[Saint]> The pi will shut down long before it gets anywhere near a safety issue.
[10:00] <[Saint]> As I said "really hot" to a human is often absolutely nothing to most electronics.
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[10:01] <[Saint]> Most humans never come into direct contact with running electronics, though, so its somewhat natural to believe that it is abnormal.
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[10:08] <gvo> I need a very lightweight web server for cgi only. I'm leaning towards lighttpd but even it is more that I need. Any other suggestions? thttpd?
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[10:10] <kylethebaker> are you looking to get your hands dirty in some dev work or would you rather use something out of the box?
[10:12] <kylethebaker> check out nanohttpd, i think thats specifically made for embedded devices
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[10:14] <gvo> I don't mind dirty hands. I programmed my first computer in 1965 and never looked back. ;)
[10:14] <gvo> Thanks for nanohttpd. It'll probably work just fine.
[10:15] <nerdboy> maybe nginx if you need more features, proxy, etc
[10:16] <nerdboy> runs nicely on rpi/openembedded but i haven't really hammered it much
[10:16] <gvo> It's almost over kill to actually run a web server. If I weren't lazy I'd just use a port connection between a couple of systems.
[10:16] <kylethebaker> nanohttpd is written in java i think, if thats not okay try mongrel2 or thttpd
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[10:17] <kylethebaker> thats what i was going to reccomend, writing a listener that responds to http request
[10:18] <kylethebaker> python and php also have really simple web servers you can use, but im not sure how well they would handle multiple connections
[10:18] <gvo> I've done that in the past. I can probably find a perl package that does just that. In fact I know there are packages. I don't need multiple connections, this is (almost) a point to point connection.
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[10:21] <nerdboy> a good embedded web server is probably your best bet performance-wise...
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[10:22] <nerdboy> after configuring/using liighttpd and nginx on embedded stuff, i'd go with the latter
[10:22] <nerdboy> but that's me...
[10:23] <gvo> at most it'll get a dozen connections a day. It's a stand alone box that will be looking for a connection from one remote system which will be sending maybe 100 characters of data, or maybe a wav file, I haven't decided which just yet.
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[10:25] <nerdboy> what about just rsync with an ssh key?
[10:25] <gvo> You know I like that idea.
[10:27] <nerdboy> rdiff-backup will even keep previous snapshots
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[10:27] <nerdboy> either one is pretty straightforward
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[10:29] <gvo> Don't really need it. I don't need to store anything on the pi. I just need to tell it to play an existing audio file, or maybe send it a wave file to play. It's a replacment for a ringing telephone.
[10:29] <gvo> I'm going to sense the caller id and if it's in my database, I'll announce who the call is from.
[10:30] <nerdboy> rsync a wav file sounds pretty simple
[10:30] <kylethebaker> is the rpi getting the wav or sending it?
[10:30] <gvo> The pi with a wireless USB plug let's me put it anywhere with a power connection.
[10:30] <nerdboy> as long as it's not too big, sync it to volatile tmpfs
[10:30] <gvo> Good thought.
[10:31] <[Saint]> You could easily spare ~1--20MB for a tmpfs without missing it
[10:31] <[Saint]> ~10-20
[10:31] <gvo> tmpfs is 212M
[10:32] <[Saint]> Ah, I was thinking of a dedicated tmpfs, but...yeah, that's not really necessary.
[10:32] <gvo> I can't image a wav file saying a name would be even 10 Mb
[10:32] <[Saint]> ANd, no. I wouldn't use wav for this personally.
[10:33] <[Saint]> Speex, or opus, or some other low latency codec.
[10:33] <nerdboy> the gpsx format or whatever?
[10:33] <kylethebaker> can you describe what you're doing again gvo? does the rpi read the callerid and then play the audio file? or does the rpi receive a callers name over wifi and then send a wav file back?
[10:34] <gvo> Since the data is coming from freeswitch, those are probably easy to produce, but I'm not sure the pi can play odd formats.
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[10:35] <gvo> OK here's the project I have freeswitch sending a audio file to the pi, FS is running on another Linux box. The pi then plays "call for jim from sue" or some such.
[10:35] <nerdboy> most "normal" audio codecs should work
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[10:37] <Jusii> haven't tried myself but what about some text to speech synthesis? or is there too big latency
[10:37] <nerdboy> 11k source with 64kp mp3 encoding should be small and not bad to decode
[10:37] <gvo> On the FS box I determine who is calling maybe and who is being called. All the pi is doing is playing audio from either static files or maybe something I send. I've testing aplay and it works.
[10:38] <kylethebaker> i see. you could also run an mpd client on the pi and send a command to play a specific track from and mpd server running on the freeswitch box. i don't think you need http though
[10:38] <Jusii> or if you aren't from english speaking nation, output might be gibberish...
[10:38] <gvo> Text to speech on pi? Is it powerful enough? I've no experience with text to speech software. Other than what's in FS.
[10:38] <nerdboy> i use one of mine as an mpd/mp3 player in the car, so yeah, that works...
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[10:40] <nerdboy> no problem decoding even 320 kbs mp3s
[10:40] <nerdboy> those dead.net guys go a little overboard...
[10:41] <Jusii> yeah haven't tried text 2 speech on RPi either http://elinux.org/RPi_Text_to_Speech_(Speech_Synthesis)
[10:41] <kylethebaker> does freeswitch have a database mapping audio files to callers or is that something you create? i would keep that on the pi if possible and then you would just need to send to the pi the name/id of the caller
[10:42] <gvo> Nothing automatic. I'd be doing it in an external program before sending it to the pi.
[10:42] <nerdboy> sounded like he wants a hackier soultion... just sayin'...
[10:42] <gvo> heehee
[10:43] <gvo> Hey I may productize this. ;)
[10:43] <nerdboy> then by all means, go all out
[10:43] <gvo> Right...
[10:43] <nerdboy> write a couple python scripts for pub/sub
[10:44] <gvo> pub/sub?
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[10:46] <Jusii> hmm, googles text to speech has pretty low latency
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[10:46] <kylethebaker> id put the mappings and audio files on the pi, then when a call comes in do ssh pi@box call-anounce $callerid, call-anounce could just be a bash script that does aplayer on a file based on whatever $callerid is
[10:46] <gvo> I just saw that. Seems simple enough.
[10:46] <Jusii> /usr/bin/mplayer -ao alsa -really-quiet -noconsolecontrols "http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?tl=en&q=some gibberish"
[10:47] <kylethebaker> not sure how freeswitch works, but you dont need a db. just make a directory with the names of the audiofiles as the id your getting from freewswitch for the caller and have it play the filename
[10:47] <gvo> yes.
[10:48] <Jusii> http://danfountain.com/2013/03/raspberry-pi-text-to-speech/
[10:49] <kylethebaker> if you do it that way be sure to spell it announce though and not anounce :P
[10:49] <gvo> lol
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[10:59] <gvo> the danfountain solution is awesome!
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[11:09] <kylethebaker> yea, that is awesome. i'm trying to find if they have the tts api documented anywhere, i want to find all the different locals. i found from a SO answer that you can do tl=en_us or en_gb or en_au for different accents, i wonder if there are more
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[11:11] <Jusii> just tested fi and seemed to work
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[11:13] <Jusii> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4872702/get-available-locales-for-tts
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[11:15] <gvo> Interesting that I can't wget an audio file from google. I get a 403.
[11:15] <Jusii> alter user-agent
[11:15] <Jusii> -U something
[11:15] <Jusii> wget seems to be 'blocked' by default
[11:16] <gvo> Sort of thought that might be the case.
[11:16] <Jusii> and actually -U something literally works
[11:17] <gvo> True.
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[11:17] <kylethebaker> thats a good find. is this something google provides to use an api or is really supposed to only be used for their translations and they just don't care that people are using it for themselves
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[11:18] <gvo> The latter I suspect.
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[11:18] <Jusii> yeah, they know that it's not worth it to try to block
[11:19] <Jusii> every android device uses it
[11:19] <gvo> Since android is a google product, I guess that's not gonna change.
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[11:22] <kylethebaker> im going to find a way to incorporate it into my next project, whatever it may be
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[11:23] <kylethebaker> is there anything i can do with old ram?
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[11:23] <gvo> recover the gold?
[11:24] <kylethebaker> this is probably stupid and not practical at all, but i think it would be cool to have something like a nas but for ram, where i could put all this ram into an array and have temp storage over esata
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[11:25] <gvo> Dynamic ram requires a bunch of various signals, I think. You'd have to dig into the hardware design of the pc to figure it out I suspect.
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[11:27] <Jusii> yeah, they have to be refreshed in constant sequence
[11:27] <kylethebaker> i wouldn't even know where to begin with something like that, i'd want to buy it and mess around with it. the fact that nothing like that exists makes me feel foolish for thinking it should, like it doesn't make sense technically or practically
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[11:28] <kylethebaker> i have a lot of random parts that i wish i could do stuff with
[11:28] <kylethebaker> i supposed it could desolder some of the resistors and connectors
[11:28] <gvo> SD cards are so cheap and easy to interface to, it's not rally practical.
[11:28] <gvo> really
[11:29] <kylethebaker> im just getting into circuits and electronics, is there anyway to salvage and use some of these random chips/controllers on devices? how would you go about interfacing with them or does it require a very particular setup?
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[11:32] <gvo> Often it's difficult to figure out what the controllers are. They often have internal part numbers that don't translate to a know circuit. I suspect, unlike years ago, people don't scavenge ICs much any more. Also surface mount chips are a bear to desolder without a rework station.
[11:33] <kylethebaker> some of these were definitely either done by machine or under a microscope with some specialized soldering tools
[11:35] <gvo> Electronic components are quite reasonable if you don't buy them from retail outlets. If you value your time, it's not worth it. I can buy resistors in the <$0.02 price range in quantity. I suspect I'd burn more in electricity taking them from a board. ;)
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[11:41] <kylethebaker> i think ill go the arts and crafts route then. im going to take off the connectors and plastic pieces to get the boards as flat as possible then make a coffee table or collage for the wall or something, hah
[11:42] <gvo> Bury the parts in acrylic for a table top.
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[11:45] <kylethebaker> yea, thatd be cool. maybe even wire some leds in there just for fun. it would be cool to have some of the fans spinning really slowly, just barely turning. i'd have to give some space to breath though. most likely scenario is they will stay in the closet and pile up until i run out of space and have to recycle them though
[11:45] <kylethebaker> hide the rpi in there somewhere and make it seem like all of the boards are actually a working computer, hah
[11:46] <gvo> Battery operated table?
[11:46] <[Saint]> A friend of mine has a MAME coffee table
[11:46] <kylethebaker> maybe ill put it by an outlet and through some warming coasters on there
[11:47] <gvo> What's MAME?
[11:49] <[Saint]> Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator, iirc he's using an little atom box or a mac mini and a 26" LCD. in an MDF box with an acrylic top and two sets of arcade buttons.
[11:49] <[Saint]> Its quite classy.
[11:49] <gvo> Neat.
[11:50] <[Saint]> It doesn't have proper coin slots, though. That would rule.
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[11:51] <[Saint]> But this thing was built before the days of being able to buy a $35 computer solely to manage coin slots in a coffee table/arcade cabinet :)
[11:51] <gvo> You could add an outboard coin box.
[11:52] <gvo> Have it unfold from the bottom of the table and fold out of the way during use. It could be used to control power to the table.
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[11:53] <[Saint]> Ooooh. That is a nice idea.
[11:53] <[Saint]> I'm not even sure if he's using it anymore. It was built in his bachelor days.
[11:55] <[Saint]> these days the whole thing could be a lot cheaper and lighter using a raspi to power the whole thing.
[11:56] <gvo> Sure, the biggest expense would be the lcd display
[11:57] <[Saint]> check out PiMAME if you're vaguely interested in arcade emulation.
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[11:58] <gvo> OK
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[11:58] <[Saint]> It certainly gets the youth-feels fired up in me playing a few of the classics. :)
[11:59] <gvo> I stopped at TANK ;)
[11:59] <[Saint]> http://blog.sheasilverman.com/pimame-raspberry-pi-os-download/
[11:59] <[Saint]> Heh.
[11:59] <[Saint]> Metal SLug was always a favorite of mine.
[12:00] <[Saint]> And Pocket Gal.
[12:00] <gvo> I worked for SGI when the Nintendo 64 came out and they gave most of the employees one. Other than that I don't have any games.
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[12:01] <gvo> I've dabbled at angry birds on my phone a bit.
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[12:09] <[Saint]> http://blog.sheasilverman.com/2012/11/better-advancemame-debs-with-sound/ is probably the better link
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[12:20] <gvo> I don't have a monitor for my pi right now.
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[12:44] <shawnbon206> o
[12:44] <shawnbon206> yo
[12:44] <shawnbon206> i just wanted to say after downloading yatse i am way way more happy with my Pi running openelec
[12:45] <shawnbon206> and i am streaming 8gb bluerays off the network with no problem
[12:45] <shawnbon206> ftp at the moment, its going to be dlna or nfs on my freenas box soon
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[13:52] <ugg> anyone having problems logging in on a serial console after the firmware upgrades today?
[13:53] <ugg> here I enter the id, enter the password and the pi then types the password and prompts again for it.
[13:53] <ugg> I used to see this only if I did not restart minicom after boot the pi
[13:53] <ugg> now its happening ALL the time
[13:53] <ugg> Ideas anyone?
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[13:54] <ugg> btw its an up to date arch install
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[13:55] <ugg> running 3.12.0-1 suspect that something in the tty stack on 3.12 is borked
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[13:55] <ugg> host is using 3.12 too and when the pi was on 3.11 the host on 3.12 made things better
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[14:13] <Jusii> I'd guess it's something in your setup
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[14:13] <Jusii> had multiple times that happening, it's always been PEBCAK
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[15:15] <Vanfanel> Hey guys, any idea on how to diable dmix on the Raspberry Pi?
[15:15] <Vanfanel> It should be some kind of /etc/asound.conf
[15:15] <Vanfanel> and I know I won't be getting anything but native audio sample rates, but that's ok
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[15:19] <ugg> reverting to 3.11.6 fixes the serial console - its borked in 3.12.0
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[16:21] <joeka> hello
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[16:24] <joeka> I have a little problem with my raspberry pi: since one hour ago, when I plug it in all LEDs flash very briefly but nothing else happens. It seems to have power, as the LEDs flashed and the hard drive starts and keeps running. I have just updated the firmware package and other stuff on arch linux arm, but that can't be related, can it?
[16:24] <shiftplusone> it certainly can be related
[16:25] <joeka> even if it doesn't begin starting?
[16:25] <shiftplusone> It does begin starting
[16:25] <shiftplusone> the firmware starts first
[16:25] <shiftplusone> and in your case, the firmware starts and the rest fails
[16:25] <joeka> shouldn't at least the power LED stay on in this case?
[16:25] <shiftplusone> oh, it doesn't ey?
[16:25] <joeka> no
[16:26] <shiftplusone> Well... that doesn't sound good at all.
[16:26] <joeka> all LEDs flash very briefly and then stay off
[16:26] <joeka> but the hard drive keeps running, so there has to be power on the USB bus
[16:26] <shiftplusone> Are you backfeeding your pi?
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[16:27] <shiftplusone> The power LED is not 'controlled' by the pi, it just indicates the presence of voltage on the input... so if that's not on, something is very wrong. Let me check the schematic, hang on. I just need to know how you're powering your pi first though.
[16:27] <joeka> from the hard drive?
[16:28] <joeka> I tried it without anything attached
[16:28] <joeka> what does the rapsberry pi do, if you power it without an SD card?
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[16:28] <joeka> just for testing... still not thinking it is the system
[16:29] <shiftplusone> The red LED is on, nothing flashes. The green LED is very faintly on.
[16:29] <shiftplusone> So the fact that all LEDs flash is very strange
[16:31] <ShadowJK> external psu for the HD?
[16:31] <ShadowJK> what else is connected?
[16:31] <joeka> yes external
[16:31] <shiftplusone> Just checked... the RED led is connected to the 3.3v regulator. So maybe your regulator is busted, your polyfuse needs to recover (though the LEDs would not flash in this case), or you've got some really strange short going on.
[16:31] <joeka> nothing now
[16:31] <joeka> for testing
[16:31] <shiftplusone> Got a multimeter?
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> aftermorning.
[16:32] <shiftplusone> Anything connected to GPIO? Is your pi on a non-conductive surface? No metal bits laying around?
[16:32] <joeka> the LEDs only flash once and very very briefly (missed it through the case and the first few times after)
[16:32] <joeka> the OK LED doesn't flash
[16:32] <joeka> I don't have a multimeter shiftplusone
[16:33] <joeka> I don't play around with electronics really
[16:33] <shiftplusone> Ah, I don't know where to go from here without a multimeter. Maybe try a different supply and make sure nothing else is connected when testing.
[16:33] <shiftplusone> (apart from the supply and a known working sd card)
[16:33] <shiftplusone> 'morning Gordon.
[16:34] <joeka> oh shit
[16:34] <joeka> you are right
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[16:34] <joeka> the supply
[16:34] <shiftplusone> joeka, ah good (mind the language though)
[16:34] <joeka> if I connect it to my pc only the power led is on
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> joeka, indeed - read the rules...
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[16:35] <shiftplusone> I am a little worried your supply may have killed your pi.
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[16:35] <shiftplusone> A cheap peace of trash supply from ebay or something?
[16:36] <joeka> shiftplusone, well it worked for quite a while :D
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> Yeah, they are fine until they connect mains directly to your device or to you or burn down your house.
[16:39] <joeka> that would be interesting
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[16:41] <joeka> the only other supply I can find only provides 0.5A :(
[16:41] <shiftplusone> might be ok if you are running headless
[16:43] <joeka> I am, but it has quite some work to do all the time
[16:43] <joeka> torrents, fileserver, VPN, IPv6 router and some other stuff
[16:43] <shiftplusone> It doesn't really vary much with cpu load
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[16:43] <joeka> ok?
[16:44] <joeka> have you ever tried with only 0.5A?
[16:44] <joeka> I haven't to be honest, I only read that people have problems with power supplies that don't provide enough
[16:44] <joeka> I'll try
[16:45] * Armand pets his solar plant with variable regulators.
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[16:45] <shiftplusone> I haven't, but I know how much a pi draws
[16:45] <shiftplusone> it will depend on whether the supply actually outputs 5v at 0.5A
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[16:47] <pksato> for test, use desktop computer usb port as power supply to rpi.
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[16:47] <shiftplusone> The pi alone (with ethernet activity and heady cpu load) does not draw more than 0.5A, so it should be fine as long as the supply is ok and you don't plug in any usb devices or mess with gpio.
[16:47] <shiftplusone> *heavy
[16:47] <joeka> pksato, works on the pc usb port, tested it when shiftplusone proposed the power supply could be the problem
[16:47] <joeka> well it is running at least
[16:47] <shiftplusone> joeka, but you said only the red LED was on. Did the pi actually boot though?
[16:48] <joeka> yes I tested that after the first test
[16:48] <shiftplusone> ah ok then
[16:50] <shiftplusone> Hmm.... the wiki says the pi draws 750mA when playing 1080p video, which I find hard to believe. Has anyone tested that?
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[16:51] <joeka> oh well, now I'm afraid to use omxplayer :D
[16:52] <joeka> shiftplusone, thanks for the idea with the power supply, I somehow haven't thought of that :)
[16:52] <shiftplusone> np, there wasn't much else it could be aside from a pi messed up in a very strange and unlikely way.
[16:53] <Armand> shiftplusone: I'm going to add power meters to my solar plant soon, but that's months away.
[16:53] <shiftplusone> How is the solar plan doing anyway?
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[16:54] <SpeedEvil> I have well over 100 solar plants.
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> And even more in my lawn.
[16:54] <Nefarious___> shiftplusone: might be a good idea to add sourcebot to channel ops list?
[16:54] <Armand> It's not at the moment.. I dismantled it when my girlfriend came over. I didn't bother reassembling due to the fading daylight. :P
[16:55] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, nice
[16:55] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, they use up much water?
[16:55] <Armand> I'm hoping I can reassemble in the new datacentre, but I'll have to see what the Directors say.
[16:55] <shiftplusone> Nefarious___, yes, but only IT_Sean can do that and he is.... IT_Sean.
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[16:59] <joeka> very strange, the power supply can power my old mobile phone just fine
[16:59] <Armand> Different requirements.
[16:59] <shiftplusone> Chances are that the pi is not an old mobile phone.
[16:59] <Armand> Totally different regulation on the phone too. ;)
[16:59] <joeka> yeah but what requirements could it be?
[17:00] <shiftplusone> joeka, the pi assumes that it is being given 5v.... phones don't.
[17:00] <joeka> they don't?
[17:00] <Armand> A phone will generally be more flexible, as it's charging a battery to use as it's primary power source.
[17:01] <Armand> FYI: I love plugging my phone into the solar plant.. free power. :D
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[17:01] <shiftplusone> Armand, how much did you spend on the equipment?
[17:02] <joeka> if only there was a some magical machine that could measure something like that
[17:02] <shiftplusone> Because I think we have very different definitions of 'free' >_<
[17:02] <Armand> Not much.. �30-something on the panel and god-knows-what on the wiring set up.
[17:02] <Armand> The batteries I got for nothing.
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[17:03] <Armand> I think the charge regulator was about �20
[17:03] <Armand> But, the actual power it generates is "free" :P
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[17:06] <shiftplusone> codeine time! \o/
[17:06] * Armand swaps shiftplusone's codeine for viagra
[17:06] <Armand> YukYukYuk!
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[17:06] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[17:15] <gvo> does anyone know what the audio device is on wheezy?
[17:15] <joeka> I'm curious if amazon will send me a new power supply after I send them my "working" one ^^
[17:15] <gvo> It's not /dev/dsp or /dev/aud
[17:16] <joeka> I'm not sure if they are meant to be plugged in and in use for 1.5 years straight :D
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[17:19] <Armand> Ooohhh.... *expletive deleted*
[17:19] <Armand> I've forgotten the root password for my rPi. :(
[17:20] <Phosie> Whoops
[17:20] <shiftplusone> reboot with init=/bin/bash and passwd yourself a new one =D
[17:21] <Armand> Meh.. nuts to it, I want to reinstall anyway.
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[17:58] <saedelaere> how can I query the state of gpio pin from c++? I want to know if it is set to out or in and if it is exported
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[18:11] <shiftplusone> saedelaere, idn, but you can check the source of the gpio tool from wiringpi which can output the status of all the pins, iirc
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[18:15] <PasNox> Hi
[18:15] <PasNox> anybody having some info about wayland progress on the pi ?
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[18:42] <saedelaere> shiftplusone: thats a good idea, thanks!
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[18:42] <shiftplusone> good luck
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[18:44] <saedelaere> if I use a port expander like mcp23008 or 23017 and try running them with 5v (from breadboard power supply), I can not connect them to the pi anymore as it's gpio pins only accept 3.3 volts. is this correct?
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[18:44] <saedelaere> If I use a level shifter in between I can do it
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[18:46] <Armand> saedelaere: Wire up a USB port to your breadboard?
[18:46] <shiftplusone> Armand, ?
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[18:47] <Armand> Never mind, wrong train of thought.
[18:47] <saedelaere> np
[18:48] <shiftplusone> Maybe more of a trainwreck of thought (happens).
[18:48] <Armand> lol
[18:48] <Armand> That too..
[18:48] <Armand> I was reading that as "how to power the Pi via GPIO"
[18:49] <saedelaere> that is something I already do :)
[18:49] <shiftplusone> Hm..... =/ " 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 001 001 051 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 1352983" To ingore... or not to ignore.
[18:49] <saedelaere> but I now start playing with a/d converters and port exanders
[18:49] <Armand> This is my solution to powering the Pi from 5v supply.. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151789930852527&set=gm.10151770670338607&type=1&theater
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[18:50] <shiftplusone> "Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA." Well that seems a little dramatic =/
[18:50] <Armand> That's just the first attempt. :P
[18:50] <shiftplusone> How does that work? Why sso many usb ports?
[18:52] <Armand> Simple capacitor and 1A polyfuses for each port.. the board is supplied by a 2.5A adjustable regulator set to 5.25v
[18:52] <shiftplusone> ah ok
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[18:52] <shiftplusone> that makes more sense... didn't realise it was for multiple pis
[18:53] <Armand> Yarp. ^_^
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[18:53] <shiftplusone> Anyone happen to know if S.M.A.R.T. lies much?
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[18:55] <wrabbit> http://www.dx.com/p/65630 and http://www.dx.com/p/55613 are my favorite way to power a pi
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[18:55] <Armand> Looks messy. :/
[18:56] <wrabbit> easy though
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[18:56] <Armand> s/easy/lazy. :P
[18:56] <wrabbit> no argument there
[18:56] <Armand> Hehe
[18:57] <wrabbit> you just take a second usb wall wart and power over a usb port that still gets used for a device
[18:57] <wrabbit> plug and play
[18:57] <ShadowJK> shiftplusone; it usually lies in being overly optimistic. i.e., it usually claims a dying or dead drive is fine.
[18:57] <wrabbit> i can power 2 wifi dongles and a pi camera
[18:57] <wrabbit> no hardware mods
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[18:58] <Armand> I don't mod the rPi..
[18:58] <ShadowJK> Armand; hah, nice pcb
[18:58] <wrabbit> true
[18:58] <Armand> I don't have any additional hardware to plug in, they will all be headless.
[18:58] <Armand> I'm looking at about 30 rPi.
[18:58] <Armand> 4 per USB board.
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[18:59] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK, Hm, it's a fairly new disk and I have just moved all my important data to it.... well that sucks, it took forever.
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[19:01] <ShadowJK> shiftplusone; considering smart usually says dead drives are okay, I'd be shitting my pants and freaking out right now.
[19:01] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK, language policy >_<. Thanks for the heads up though
[19:01] <shiftplusone> after 96 on hours.... grrr
[19:01] <ShadowJK> oops
[19:02] <ShadowJK> I meant "soiling myself"
[19:02] <ShadowJK> sorry :-(
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[19:02] <shiftplusone> heh... better.
[19:04] <shiftplusone> hmmm "RAW_READ_ERROR_RATE and UDMA_CRC_Error_Count are usually a sign of a bad cable or SATA controller/port, rather than a bad drive. I wouldn't be so quick to blame the drives if you haven't tested them on another controller or with a different cable."
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[19:04] <ShadowJK> pastebin all params, please
[19:05] <shiftplusone> yessir
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[19:06] <shiftplusone> http://pastebin.com/iYP5Hg4f
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[19:11] <ShadowJK> raw_read_error_rate is the one flagged
[19:11] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's the one I was googling info about
[19:11] <ShadowJK> reallocated sector count 21 is bad
[19:12] <ShadowJK> I usually disqualify a drive after 1
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[19:12] <shiftplusone> The drive is connected through esata and one of those cheap docks, so I am hoping that might be the issue. Unlikely?
[19:12] <ShadowJK> Yes cable issue would show as udma crc error rate
[19:13] <ShadowJK> Current pending sector is insanely high at 271
[19:13] <ShadowJK> Basically that is data already lost
[19:13] <shiftplusone> ah, wonderful
[19:13] <ShadowJK> udma crc error count 0, so cable seems fine
[19:13] <shiftplusone> Alright... going to copy the files off that puppy immediately.
[19:14] <ShadowJK> Yeah.. kinda shame you "moved" your files in the first place instead of copying
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[19:16] <shiftplusone> Well, thanks for the help.
[19:18] <ShadowJK> There are going to be areas of the drive that will copy pretty slowly now
[19:18] <ShadowJK> if it was my drive, and I had a spare 1.5T drive, I'd gnu_ddrescue it as a image
[19:19] <shiftplusone> Don't have the disk space
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[19:25] <Cheekio> ugh
[19:25] <Cheekio> I think I forgot my password
[19:26] <sney> boot with init=/bin/sh and change it
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[19:35] <Cheekio> haha, I found it.
[19:36] <Cheekio> It was in the way back part of my brain
[19:36] <Cheekio> Some times you think you're so clever and really you're just a pain in your future self's ass.
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[19:39] <cenron> lol
[19:39] <cenron> who cares about future you....that guy sucks
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[19:57] <Cheekio> I certainly don't do him any favors.
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[20:22] <martk100> I have short python script , to test run 2 motors. The script has to run continually or the motors will not run. How do I pass parameters( motor speed) to this program on the fly?
[20:23] <shiftplusone> To make it flexible, I'd use sockets
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[20:57] <pragmatism> Could anyone recommend a ~5" touch screen for the Pi?
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[21:00] <Cheekio> if I'm VNC'd into my pi, should it still be outputting video?
[21:00] <Cheekio> for some reason it doesn't look like that's happening.
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[21:02] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, what do you mean? Why would whether or not you've vnc'ed into your pi have any affect on whether or not the pi outputs video?
[21:02] <Cheekio> Right?
[21:03] <shiftplusone> Well, what happens? You connect to your vnc server and your monitor turns off?
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[21:04] <Cheekio> I'm running tests now
[21:04] <Cheekio> It's in the other room, so I don't know when the video turned off
[21:05] <Cheekio> it was probably just the screen saver combined with myself being dramatic
[21:05] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I was going to ask if it might have been screen blanking
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[21:07] <Nefarious___> does ukscone ever come online?
[21:07] <Cheekio> hmm
[21:07] <shiftplusone> Yeah, why?
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[21:07] <Cheekio> Hey, it looks like vnc gives me /a/ desktop, but not /the/ desktop
[21:08] <Nefarious___> he was the first channel op. second was IT_Sean
[21:08] <Cheekio> I'm trying to use the pi as media center- how do I control what's showing up on my tv?
[21:08] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, because you're probably running a virtual x server for vnc rather than connecting to an existing one
[21:08] <shiftplusone> Nefarious___, and?
[21:09] <Cheekio> @shiftplusone, do you know how to connect to the existing one?
[21:09] <shiftplusone> ukscone started the channel, but he doesn't have much to do with it nowadays (unfortunately)
[21:10] <Cheekio> I don't know how to google this effectively
[21:10] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, use x11vnc instead of tightvnc.
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[21:11] <Nefarious___> shiftplusone: forget it, I was thinking out loud, my next sentence would have sounded stupid. sorry :3
[21:11] <shiftplusone> Nefarious___, but... but now I am curious.
[21:13] <Nexuist> lol
[21:13] <Nefarious___> shiftplusone: I'm being impatient, I forget that things take time, which can generally be used for better purposes. like waiting for IT_Sean. lol
[21:14] <shiftplusone> Nefarious___, might be a good idea to make your bot always on rather than have it pop in an out whenever you're doing testing.
[21:15] <shiftplusone> But I suppose that's not an option with your current setup without vnc.
[21:15] <shiftplusone> *znc
[21:15] <Nefarious___> has to restart to take account of changes. of that's what you mean
[21:16] <Nefarious___> shiftplusone: did you get the update message I sent btw?
[21:16] <shawnbon206> Q: i put up a FTP server from one of my computers to test network streaming of videos. I loaded a folder from it into the "music" category. on the server all the music files are in sub folders. i was expecting to see some sort of sorting? but in XBMC all i get is directory structure/alphebetical
[21:16] <shiftplusone> Nefarious___, nope. Did you send it as a 'memo' ?
[21:16] <Nefarious___> no, in #empty
[21:16] <Nefarious___> I'll send it again
[21:17] <shawnbon206> i at least need the music to be sorted by artist/album/disc/track
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[21:17] <shawnbon206> Nefarious___: join #elitebnc
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[21:18] <shawnbon206> thats the free znc i use. it's fast as far as i can tell
[21:18] <shiftplusone> shawnbon206, the question might be more relevant for the xbmc folks.
[21:18] <shawnbon206> i dont notice any added latency
[21:19] <Nefarious___> it's a python script
[21:20] <Jusii> shawnbon206: tried in files and on correct folder with the 'right mouse' or context menu 'scan item to library'?
[21:21] <Jusii> then it will read tags and do what you want
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[21:21] <Jusii> and you'lll get artist / albums / songs submenus
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[21:23] <shawnbon206> Jusii: in the file manager? can i scan the whole tree?
[21:23] <Jusii> yes
[21:23] <shawnbon206> i think i tried and i couldnt figure out how
[21:23] <Jusii> when I go to 'files' I see my mp3 'mount', scan that and off you go
[21:24] <shawnbon206> i think i gave up and assumed it wouldnt work because the directory wasnt local
[21:24] <shawnbon206> ok i will look again
[21:24] <Jusii> i don't have them on ftp, but on nfs and it works
[21:24] <Jusii> cifs/samba/nfs might be more practical, don't really know about ftp
[21:24] <shawnbon206> nfs should be equivelent to ftp
[21:24] <Jusii> no
[21:24] <shawnbon206> i am going to switch to nfs when i get my NAS up and running
[21:25] <shawnbon206> this is just a test phase
[21:25] <Jusii> ftp is pretty limited vs. nfs/cifs
[21:25] <shawnbon206> i mean for this porpose
[21:25] <Jusii> well it will work when you get your nas up
[21:25] <shawnbon206> my mac had ftp, smb, and afp
[21:26] <shawnbon206> and ftp was the closest speed wise
[21:26] <shawnbon206> so i could test different bitrate videos to see how my network can handle it
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[21:26] <shawnbon206> ftp is the closest speedwise to nfs
[21:26] <shawnbon206> is that i meant to say^
[21:26] <batfastad> Hi everyone. So the Pi NoIR
[21:26] <Jusii> yeah, but not protocol wise how client can use it
[21:26] <shawnbon206> exactly
[21:27] <shawnbon206> maybe the ftp protocol is preventing it
[21:27] <shawnbon206> k let me go check again
[21:27] <Jusii> very likely
[21:27] <batfastad> (arrrggh sorry)... camera. Can that switch between normal camera mode and the b+w infrared reception?
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[21:32] <batfastad> Basically I've got this D-Link IP cam with IR/nightvision but it only supports viewing through a web browser in MJPEG format with a nasty ActiveX or Java plugin. You can point VLC to the MJPEG stream but it's not reliable and tends to drop loads of video packets.
[21:32] <Jusii> shawnbon206: what xbmc variant are you actually using?
[21:33] <Jusii> if it's something with full raspbian under there or any other full linux, I think you could try sshfs to get all features to test
[21:33] <ShadowJK> batfastad; no
[21:34] <shawnbon206> Jusii: it worked
[21:34] <Jusii> great
[21:34] <shawnbon206> sshfs?
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[21:34] <Jusii> you can mount a folder through ssh
[21:34] <shawnbon206> someone told me to use minidlna on my nas
[21:34] <shawnbon206> any need?
[21:34] <shawnbon206> ssh will have more network overhead
[21:35] <Jusii> true
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[21:35] <shawnbon206> i was trying to minimize overhead to simulate optimum throughput
[21:35] <Jusii> but for testing if ftp wouldn't work in feature wise
[21:35] <shawnbon206> ah
[21:35] <batfastad> So I was thinking, RaspberryPi + Pi noIR camera + an RTSP daemon. Then some ir illuminator LEDs powered by the Pi as well. And maybe a USB temp sensor (USB so it can be disconnected etc). Is that a feasible plan? I'm a software guy, not electronics so I know literally nothing about how much power the Pi could supply and how to rig up the IR LEDs
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[21:35] <Jusii> for throughput ftp would've been fine
[21:36] <shawnbon206> so i wonder if there is any advantage to using minidlna, because it seems like NFS will work just peachy
[21:36] <Jusii> I have no idea
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[21:36] <Jusii> have everything through nfs
[21:36] <shawnbon206> i guess if i had a smart tv and a smart blueray player and... etc etc
[21:37] <batfastad> ShadowJK: Ok thought so. Thanks for the info. No big deal really as I'm primarily looking to make a baby monitor/night vision cam that's better than the rubbish browser-plugin fest that exists at the moment.
[21:37] <shawnbon206> then the dlna server could transcode things
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[21:37] <ShadowJK> batfastad; i would give the ir emitters their own powersupply
[21:37] <Jusii> but you don't need that for music
[21:37] <Jusii> use it for videos if needed
[21:37] <shawnbon206> i heard dlna speeds up the media discovery, it's optimised to send thumbnails and info quicker
[21:37] <batfastad> I'd like a camera that can produce a standard stream, accessible by streaming players across many platforms.
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[21:38] <shawnbon206> but i have never tried it so that might be a crock-o-s
[21:39] <batfastad> ShadowJK: Ok fair enough. I see you can pick up IR illuminators on ebay designed to be powered by an external power supply for about £5
[21:39] <Jusii> I think xbmc caches everything and you can enable 'wathcdog' to update your library when a change is detected
[21:39] <batfastad> Means more wires though. I was hoping to mod a case to get the camera and illuminators to all fit to a conventional Pi-sized case
[21:40] <shawnbon206> watchdog just checks the folders i have configured periodically?
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[21:41] <Jusii> Not familiar of it's inner workings but http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Add-on:Watchdog
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[21:41] <Jusii> afaik, it doesn't scan it periodically
[21:41] <shawnbon206> i am reading the forum thread already :)
[21:42] <Jusii> there's other plugins that work that way
[21:42] <Jusii> :)
[21:42] <shawnbon206> it seems like it will work fine
[21:42] <Cheekio> so... raspbian isn't great for media center stuff
[21:42] <Cheekio> I should be using xbmc?
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[21:42] <shawnbon206> i just need to know which streams faster, dlna or nfs+watchdog
[21:43] <shawnbon206> Cheekio: i have been using openelec and i love it
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[21:43] <shawnbon206> its perfect
[21:43] <Cheekio> openelec
[21:43] <Cheekio> totally checking that out
[21:43] <Jusii> too perfect, you don't have to get under the hood if don't want to
[21:44] <Jusii> no fun
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[21:44] <shawnbon206> its really good
[21:44] <shawnbon206> you can completely configure it from the GUI
[21:44] <Jusii> agree
[21:44] <shawnbon206> networking and all
[21:44] <Cheekio> I don't want it to be fun, I want it to appease the gf
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[21:44] <shawnbon206> brb
[21:44] <Cheekio> I have my own pi's for fun :D
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[21:44] <Jusii> xbmc is gf friendly
[21:45] <batfastad> openelec is awesome. I was thinking of going down the android tv stick route as didn't think the pi could handle HD. WRONG! :D
[21:45] <Cheekio> is openelec on noobs?
[21:45] <Jusii> I dont think so
[21:46] <Jusii> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi
[21:47] <shiftplusone> it is on noobs
[21:47] <Jusii> download and run one script, there you go
[21:47] <Jusii> woah
[21:47] <shiftplusone> at least it was when I assumed it was 5 seconds ago
[21:47] <Jusii> don't make assumptions
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[21:47] <shiftplusone> I can make assumptions if I kind of sort of recall something that makes me think it might be true.
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[21:48] <Jusii> well there it is
[21:49] <shiftplusone> Well then, making stuff up is perfectly reasonable, as long as it's true.
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[21:51] <Jusii> all kudos to noobs to make RPi more accessible, but if you want you RPi to do something specific, why go with noobs
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[21:52] <Jusii> want raspbian, install raspbian. Want openelec, install openelec.
[21:52] <Jusii> don't know what you want, get noobs
[21:52] <sney> +1
[21:52] <shiftplusone> Jusii, for the multiboot and to avoid overwriting the wear leveling information.
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[21:53] <clever> shiftplusone: i dont think you can overwrite the wear leveling info
[21:53] <shiftplusone> clever, wikipedia says it's stored on the MBR by some cards.
[21:53] <clever> the MBR is only 512 bytes, too small for that data
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[21:54] <shiftplusone> and one of the pi folks did wonder about that on the forum as well and mentioned asking some sd card manufacturer about that... don't know what came of that.
[21:54] <clever> i would expect it to be in a block that you cant access thru normal mean
[21:54] <clever> s
[21:55] <shiftplusone> I would hope it's that.
[21:55] <Jusii> thats what i've thought
[21:55] <clever> because if you get that corrupt, you relocate every other sector on the disk
[21:55] <clever> scrambling the whole thing
[21:55] <clever> shuffle!
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[21:56] <clever> but if you keep dd'ing a 2gig image, with only 300mb of data, you wear 1.7gig worth of sectors that you didnt have to wear
[21:56] <shiftplusone> might not be MBR then, but "SD/SDHC/SDXC memory cards have a "Protected Area" on the card for the SD standard's security function; a standard formatter may erase it, causing problems if security is used. The SD Association provides free SD Formatter software to overcome these problems.[72] The SD Formatter does not format the "Protected Area", and the Association recommends the use of appropria
[21:56] <shiftplusone> te application software or SD-compatible device that provides SD security function to format the "Protected Area" in the memory card."
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[21:57] <shiftplusone> now then... to look into what this "protected area" is
[21:58] <Jusii> pretty vague explanation
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[21:58] <sney> and somewhat troubling
[21:58] <shiftplusone> And there's no source for it.
[21:58] <sney> but if it's just for the security function and not any wear leveling data then it's kind of irrelevant anyway
[21:59] <wrabbit> isnt it some drm thing that nobody uses?
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[21:59] <clever> shiftplusone: encryption and card locking
[21:59] <Jusii> so what would be the most effective way to wear test sdcard? dd'ing all over it constantly? copying small files (with sync) all over it
[21:59] <sney> basically, I think? hardware encryption maybe? SD stands for "secure digital" but I've never seen a "secure" one in the wild
[21:59] <clever> shiftplusone: http://hackaday.com/2013/11/12/keep-your-sd-cards-data-safe-with-the-sd-locker/
[22:00] <clever> Jusii: because the wear leveling is transparent, you have no way of knowing how much wear each sector gets
[22:00] <sney> Jusii: maybe a few dban runs. though that might s/test/out/
[22:00] <clever> sney: the standards say all cards must support the encryption, but almost nobody uses it
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[22:01] <sney> just keep spare sd cards with your OS image and keep valuable data somewhere else. card dies? swap it
[22:01] <shiftplusone> clever, I can't find anything in the article you linked that mentions the 'protected area'. Did you make that connection yourself?
[22:01] <Jusii> clever: right, but when sdcard starts failing, it's pretty quickly all gone, right?
[22:02] <sney> not always
[22:02] <clever> shiftplusone: the PWD register
[22:02] <clever> Jusii: probly
[22:02] <Jusii> I think i should actually try that with something more powerful than RPi
[22:02] <Jusii> to test the cards
[22:03] <clever> yah, dont nuke your os disk for testing
[22:03] <Jusii> 3 months and 30TB written, still no sign of wearing
[22:03] <clever> ive also heard, that when the sectors are failing, it effects how they age
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[22:03] <shiftplusone> well... either way. Seems like my concern over messing up wear leveling information was unfounded anyway.
[22:04] <clever> it will loose data after a few days
[22:04] <wrabbit> best way to mess it up is to not run fstrim
[22:04] <wrabbit> regularly
[22:04] <Jusii> I'm actually trying to get couple cards to fail to see their real world wearing
[22:06] <clever> wrabbit: how exactly does fstrim discard the blocks?
[22:06] <shiftplusone> and does fstrim actually work on sd cards?
[22:06] <wrabbit> i dont know, asks the kernel and tells the sd card?
[22:07] <wrabbit> yes fstrim works on sd cards, and its the only way you are going to get wear leveling afaik
[22:07] <clever> might work on the pi, but it clearly wont work on a usb based reader
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[22:07] <clever> which converts everything to usb mass storage and dumbs it down
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[22:07] <clever> wrabbit: i was under the understanding that when you write to a block, it just re-assigns it to the 'free' list, and then picks a less used block from the free as a replacement
[22:07] <wrabbit> without fstrim, the sd card will always think all blocks are full and being overwritten
[22:07] <wrabbit> so it cant wear level at all
[22:08] <shiftplusone> makes sense
[22:08] <clever> so as you write to blocks, then go in and out of the free list, and the least used one gets written to next
[22:08] <clever> it will have something like 10% hidden to allow that
[22:08] <chithead> almost all flash devices that do wear leveling have some spare sectors for that
[22:08] <clever> so without tools like fstrim, its not 100% full
[22:08] <Jusii> wrabbit: thanks for this
[22:09] <Jusii> i was in assumption that it wouldn't work on RPi and sdcards
[22:09] <wrabbit> clever: nothing can ever be marked free unless the sd card is explicitly told that it is free
[22:09] <Jusii> second time today
[22:09] <clever> wrabbit: which is why it has spare sectors, when you write to one, it becomes free
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[22:09] <clever> and it uses a different free one to replace it
[22:09] <Jusii> so for testing it's best done without fstrim, for production use fstrim
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[22:10] <wrabbit> clever: is this documented anywhere you can think of offhand?
[22:10] <clever> wrabbit: cant remember any
[22:10] <Jusii> we did pick much larger sdcards than needed because of wear-leveling but it's nice to know that it's not really doing it anyways
[22:10] <shiftplusone> Do sdcards track fat filesystems and trim automatically or is fstrim pretty much always required?
[22:11] <clever> shiftplusone: that would cause massive corruption if you use a different fs
[22:11] <wrabbit> i dont think any drives can understand the filesystems on them
[22:11] <wrabbit> all they know is "used" and "free", and only if the OS tells them
[22:11] <shiftplusone> clever, well, only if it didn't check the filesystem type.
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[22:12] <wrabbit> and of course deleted files are "used" until fstrim comes along
[22:12] <clever> shiftplusone: back to the hackaday article i linked, windows xp doesnt check to see if an sd card is read only
[22:12] <clever> so it keeps trying to write to it, and caches the written sectors
[22:12] <clever> then the cache expires, and it magicaly reverts
[22:12] <shiftplusone> clever, I didn't say anything about read only O_o
[22:12] <clever> and windows crashes :P
[22:12] <clever> nobody does what they should do :P
[22:12] <Jusii> :)
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[22:13] <wrabbit> wait since when does the write protect tab on an sd card do anything?
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[22:13] <clever> wrabbit: that just tells the os to not try writes, i was refering to the write protect register
[22:13] <shiftplusone> wrabbit, since the hardware chooses whether to honour it or not.
[22:13] <clever> the write protect register entirely disables the write command
[22:13] <wrabbit> i know some people with cameras that have some special firmware, and they choose to boot into it by setting the write protect on the sd card to on
[22:13] <shiftplusone> well hardware and software
[22:13] <wrabbit> the sd card doesnt enforce it though
[22:13] <clever> the os cant ignore that
[22:13] <clever> wrabbit: thats exactly what the write protect register is for
[22:14] <clever> the card does enforce that
[22:14] <wrabbit> the write protect register is for booting into alternate firmware on cameras?
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[22:14] <clever> that sounds like something the camera bootloader just decided on its own
[22:14] <clever> thats not what its meant for
[22:15] <clever> wrabbit: read this http://hackaday.com/2013/11/12/keep-your-sd-cards-data-safe-with-the-sd-locker/
[22:15] <wrabbit> but they can still take pictures when the card is in read only mode
[22:15] <wrabbit> it doesnt actually make it read only
[22:15] <clever> no you cant
[22:15] <clever> the read only register must be cleared before the card will accept any write command
[22:16] <shiftplusone> So on non-linux systems... say windows and firmware on cameras on such... what actually ensures correct wear leveling? Does windows fstrim (but without fstrim) in the background and do most cameras even bother?
[22:16] <shiftplusone> *and such
[22:16] <clever> shiftplusone: i think thats where the spare sectors in the card and the controller take over, and just keep it crawling along
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[22:17] <shiftplusone> O_o
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[22:17] <wrabbit> clever: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ search for write-protect
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[22:18] <clever> wrabbit: the firmware in the camera is totaly free to undo write protect on bootup
[22:18] <clever> nothing can stop it from doing that
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[22:18] <wrabbit> then whats the point?
[22:19] <clever> most things like windows arent smart enough to do that
[22:19] <clever> and there is a 2nd write protect register that can NEVER be cleared
[22:19] <clever> turns your card into a rom
[22:19] <clever> chdk gave it special meaning (boot a 2nd os), and that forces them to undo it to use the card
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[22:20] <wrabbit> yeah this is an awful design
[22:21] <wrabbit> but it looks like it works the way you describe
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[22:21] <wrabbit> it should have PERM_WRITE_PROTECT when physically switched to write protect
[22:22] <wrabbit> and then lose it when switched back
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[22:25] <clever> wrabbit: oh, i checked the wiki you linked closer
[22:26] <clever> thats not the lock register i was talking about
[22:26] <clever> they mean the useless switch on the side
[22:26] <clever> which the firmware is free to ignore
[22:26] <wrabbit> yeah we were talking about different things
[22:27] <clever> yeah, there are 3 seperate lockouts
[22:27] <wrabbit> too bad the write protect tab doesnt just work in a straightforward way
[22:27] <clever> the switch, which the firmware can freely ignore, and the micro sd cards dont even have
[22:27] <clever> the write protect register, which disables all writes, but anything smart enough can undo it
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[22:27] <clever> and anything dumb enough will ignore it and crash
[22:28] <clever> and then the PERM_WRITE_PROTECT bit, so you can put a troll face on a 32gig sd card and brick it :P
[22:28] <clever> or put u-boot on your pi and know it cant be corrupted
[22:28] <wrabbit> or have its settings changed :(
[22:29] <clever> you would configure it to get all settings over lan
[22:29] <clever> i tried it, but it keeps crashing the system half way thru the kernel download
[22:29] <clever> the hdmi shuts off and it just hangs
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[22:30] <wrabbit> yeah but if you wanted it to use crypto to validate things or anything like that, there wouldnt be any changing it
[22:30] <clever> yeah
[22:30] <wrabbit> but if all you use is u-boot, you shouldnt need to set anything to write protected
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[22:30] <wrabbit> since it shouldnt write anything anyway
[22:31] <wrabbit> unless changing settings, which would be so rare
[22:31] <clever> depends on what your running on the pi and how badly it goes bad
[22:31] <wrabbit> if you wanted it to be drm-secure then it would be nice
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[22:31] <wrabbit> since if its hacked, it cant rewrite u-boot
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[22:32] <clever> i was using it for kernel testing, so i can upgrade the kernel without removing the card
[22:32] <clever> just compile and reboot, even if it doesnt boot, it still updates
[22:32] <clever> but with uboot being so unstable, it just didnt work
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[22:59] <tobiasBora> Hello !
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[23:00] <Vanfanel> Is DMIX Alsa plugin activated by default on Raspbian??
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[23:01] <deller> hi guys
[23:01] <deller> can anyone help me with some questions about the RPI and its FM capibilities?
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[23:02] <deller> how does it work?
[23:02] <deller> why do all the guides tell me to connect it to pin #4
[23:03] <deller> if i have GPIO on my motherboard, could i do the same thing?
[23:03] <deller> how about USB? or other cables? could i write a driver that broadcasts fm on those too?
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[23:04] <tobiasBora> The SD card used in my raspberry seems to be dead... There is lots of bad (dead ?) sectors in the SDcard and Gparted failed to repair them. So I've two questions : my card is completly dead or I can find a tool to repair it ? And why is it dead ? Is it possible that the connection I made yesterday by mounting a folder on my laptop with sshfs broke the SD card (by making to many connections for exemple) ? What advices could you
[23:04] <tobiasBora> give to avoid the systematic destruction of my SD cards ?
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[23:07] <deller> anyone here?
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[23:07] <wrabbit> tobiasBora: kill rsyslogd and use fstrim daily
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[23:12] <tobiasBora> wrabbit: You mean if I find a new SD card ? I don't really understand the functionment of fstrim
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[23:17] <deller> anyone?
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[23:19] <shiftplusone> deller, it's not something people are likely to want to help you with, since it's not legal and can cause issues.
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[23:22] <wrabbit> tobiasBora: too many writes to the same sector causes it to go bad, it cant be reversed
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[23:23] <wrabbit> tobiasBora: fstrim tells the sd card which sectors are currently empty, so new writes can go to the ones that have been written to the least amount of times
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[23:25] <tobiasBora> wrabbit: Oh I see. But in the documentation I can read "fstrim will discard all unused blocks in the filesystem." It's not the opposite behaviour to what you're talking about ? If it discard unusued blocks, it will be always the same blocs used no ?
[23:26] <shiftplusone> tobiasBora, perspective issue
[23:26] <shiftplusone> tobiasBora, 'unused' by the filesystem
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[23:26] <wrabbit> deleted files are still there, the filesystem just forgets that anything is there
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[23:26] <wrabbit> the sd card doesnt understand any of this
[23:27] <Vanfanel> shiftplusone: who should I ask around here for Raspbian ALSA technical aspects like ALSA plugins etc?
[23:27] <wrabbit> fstrim lets the sd card know which blocks are currently empty, without it having to understand the fs
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[23:28] <Triffid_Hunter> ext4 supports a 'discard' mount option which notifies the underlying device of freed blocks
[23:28] <shiftplusone> Vanfanel, no idea.
[23:28] <Vanfanel> ok, thanks anyway
[23:28] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, oh, that's handy to know. Might be a good idea to add that to fstab then?
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[23:29] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: sure, if you're using ext4 rather than ext3
[23:29] <shiftplusone> well, arch and raspbian are using ext4, aren't they?
[23:29] <wrabbit> yeah i meant to check if discard works
[23:29] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: no idea
[23:30] <shiftplusone> (they are)
[23:30] <Triffid_Hunter> well then yes that would be a great idea :)
[23:30] <shiftplusone> Odd that that's not already in fstab then (unless it is and I have never noticed it... can't check now)
[23:30] <wrabbit> yeah discard works for me
[23:30] <wrabbit> it should be default
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[23:31] <wrabbit> it should fail gracefully on older sd cards that dont support trim
[23:31] <shiftplusone> maybe worth notifying asb so that he adds it to his spindle scripts?
[23:33] <tobiasBora> Ok It's clearer ! And to active it when the computer starts, is there a best way than putting it in the .bashrc of users ?
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[23:33] <clever> tobiasBora: /etc/rc.local
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[23:34] <tobiasBora> Thank you !
[23:34] <wrabbit> mount -o remount,discard /
[23:35] <clever> wrabbit: and toss it in fstab
[23:35] <wrabbit> yes and fstab for future boots
[23:35] <wrabbit> the mount command just for now, and to check if it will even work
[23:36] <wrabbit> run the mount command and then check if the discard stuck
[23:36] <wrabbit> by just typing mount
[23:36] <wrabbit> some cards wont support it
[23:36] <wrabbit> old ones
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[23:37] <shiftplusone> wrabbit, because they don't support wear leveling or what?
[23:37] <clever> shiftplusone: or they do, but dont expose controls to the host
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[23:38] <shiftplusone> clever, how would such cards expect to know which blocks are free? O_o
[23:38] <clever> shiftplusone: the same way i mentioned 3 times before
[23:38] <clever> any block you overwrite goes into the free list
[23:38] <clever> and gets reused at a later time
[23:38] <wrabbit> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MX48VM/
[23:38] <shawnbon206_afk> anyone have any experience with yatse remote for xbmc?
[23:39] <wrabbit> those dont support discard/trim, so avoid them
[23:39] <clever> shiftplusone: thats the same way it works if you dont declare things
[23:39] <wrabbit> so cheap though :(
[23:39] <shawnbon206_afk> i am beating my head against the wall trying to get it to show my media library
[23:40] <wrabbit> it sounds like a pretty inefficient way of doing it, but better than nothing
[23:40] <shiftplusone> clever, what should I search the log for to find you explaining it earlier? 'overwrite' doesn't return anything from you.
[23:40] <clever> wrabbit: yep, thats how it would work for any dumb os
[23:40] <clever> 17 17:09:22< clever> wrabbit: which is why it has spare sectors, when you write to one, it becomes free
[23:41] <clever> in this area
[23:41] <clever> 17 17:08:07< clever> so as you write to blocks, then go in and out of the free list, and the least used one gets written to next
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[23:41] <clever> 17 17:07:50< clever> wrabbit: i was under the understanding that when you write to a block, it just re-assigns it to the 'free' list, and then picks a less used block from the free as a replacement
[23:41] <wrabbit> sounds like a pretty small pool though
[23:41] <wrabbit> yeah you dont need to re-paste it
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[23:41] <wrabbit> i got it the first time :)
[23:41] <clever> its up to the card designer to pick how big the pool is
[23:42] <clever> how much space to hide
[23:42] <clever> harddrives do the same thing
[23:42] <clever> but they use it to remap bad sectors, not to wear level
[23:42] <tobiasBora> wrabbit: and this option "discard" make fstrim unuseful ?
[23:42] <wrabbit> do sd cards also remap bad sectors reducing that pool?
[23:42] <wrabbit> tobiasBora: yeah i assume so
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[23:43] <wrabbit> tobiasBora: maybe run fstrim once after you have your fs mounted with discard and have discard in /etc/fstab
[23:43] <clever> wrabbit: it probly does
[23:43] <clever> you also have to keep in mind, how big the sectors truely are
[23:43] <wrabbit> discard might not handle the initial purge
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[23:44] <tobiasBora> Ok great, thank for your help everybody !
[23:44] <wrabbit> np
[23:44] <clever> wrabbit: in theory, the disk could have 16kb erase blocks, and erase a whole block at once
[23:44] <clever> then when you write 512 byte blocks to the disk, they all go into the same 16kb block
[23:44] <clever> regardless of what order they belong in
[23:45] <tobiasBora> And just a question, for my next SD card, do you have some models you can recommand ? (Because if I could avoid to buy every month a new SD card it could be interesting ^^)
[23:45] <wrabbit> tobiasBora: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-Class-Memory-SDSDU-008G-U46/dp/B00812K4V4/
[23:46] <shiftplusone> clever, why would a block that was just written to be 'free'? =S seems like it would be the opposite.
[23:46] <wrabbit> tobiasBora: i have my eye on those, but i dont really know if they are going to be great
[23:46] <clever> shiftplusone: it would pre-erase the entire 16kb block
[23:46] <wrabbit> class 10, "sandisk ultra" and not too expensive
[23:46] <clever> shiftplusone: then in theory, fill it with 512 byte blocks that belong anywhere
[23:46] <tobiasBora> wrabbit: Ok great, thank you !
[23:47] <clever> shiftplusone: i think the fstrim and discard stuff would also help with write speed
[23:47] <clever> shiftplusone: erase is a major slowdown on flash memory
[23:47] <clever> pre-erasing saves that step
[23:47] <clever> but with the small pool of spare sectors, you run out of pre-erased stuff easily
[23:48] <clever> so the fstrim and discard options help increase that pool, in theory
[23:48] <wrabbit> shiftplusone: if a block is written into this hidden pool clever is speaking of, the old block that the device said it wanted to write to can now be marked as empty and join the pool (while the block that was in the pool now exits it)
[23:48] <clever> yep
[23:49] <shiftplusone> wrabbit, ah ok, I thought he meant that the block itself was written into... like if the card detects a write to a certain address it 'frees' that block, and that made absolutely no sense to me.
[23:49] <wrabbit> yeah i think clever is too familiar with the process to explain all of the steps to someone who isnt familiar yet :)
[23:50] <wrabbit> but it makes sense now
[23:50] <clever> yeah, the remapping complicates it a lot
[23:50] <wrabbit> my main problem is finding the whole thing unimpressive compared to trim/discard
[23:50] <wrabbit> but they had to start somewhere
[23:51] <wrabbit> better than no wear leveling at all in the early days
[23:51] <clever> your thinking of XD memory cards
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[23:51] <clever> which had no controller and no built in wear leveling
[23:51] <shiftplusone> I was familiar with the process (computerphile had a video on it recently), which is why my interpretation of what clever said confuddled the hell out of me.
[23:51] <clever> it was just a bare flash chip
[23:51] <wrabbit> no i mean this hidden pool is a better strategy than having no wear leveling at all
[23:52] <clever> and if you decide to implement the wear leveling in a different way, the entire thing is incompatible
[23:52] <clever> yeah
[23:52] <clever> XD just has no brains at all
[23:52] <clever> it also helps to look into log based filesystems
[23:52] <clever> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-structured_file_system
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[23:53] <shiftplusone> but then I come back to the original question, clever... if a card has wear leveling, but does not support fstrim and -o discard does not work... how the hell would it know when a block becomes free?
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[23:54] <clever> shiftplusone: exactly what i said above, when you tell it to write to address 5
[23:54] <clever> it just re-assigns address 5 to a block that was free
[23:54] <clever> and the one that was pointed to by 5, becomes free
[23:54] <shiftplusone> I think my mind is not in the state to have this conversation right now, sorry. I'll read the logs later. never mind.
[23:55] <tobiasBora> Here they say that fstrim is better that discard, but I don't know why... http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/enable-trim-on-ssd-solid-state-drives.html
[23:56] <clever> as far as i can tell so far, trim and discard just unmap a sector in the sd card, and dont map it to any physical location
[23:56] <clever> so the free pool becomes larger, but reads are probly going to fail hard or return blank data
[23:56] <wrabbit> it looks like they are saying since discard works live, it slows things down as you use it
[23:57] <wrabbit> while fstrim can do all the work at night while you are asleep
[23:57] <clever> that does make some sense, more traffic every time you delete a file
[23:57] <clever> it has to unmap every block it no longer needs
[23:57] <clever> instead of just setting the delete bit in the file list
[23:58] <wrabbit> i would go with discard anyway
[23:58] <tobiasBora> Together
[23:58] <wrabbit> seems like a weird poweruser tweak
[23:58] <tobiasBora> ?
[23:58] <clever> simpler, set it and forget it
[23:58] <shiftplusone> clever, re-reading what you said a few times... yeah, makes sense (thanks for the patience).
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[23:59] <clever> i'm used to it, some of the customers cant even speak english
[23:59] <wrabbit> tobiasBora: i would run fstrim once after enabling discard
[23:59] <clever> and a lot open with 'i'm having problems with ...'
[23:59] <clever> and dont bother to say what the problem is!

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