#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-11-18

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[0:00] <wrabbit> "it doesnt work!"
[0:00] <wrabbit> "tell me how to make it work!"
[0:00] <tobiasBora> Ok perfect !
[0:00] <clever> wrabbit: exactly, but with more spelling mistakes
[0:00] <shiftplusone> the irc equivalent of "I get an error" and not saying what the error is. >_<
[0:00] <clever> wrabbit: here is an example, 'hey,I ask how to use the old way to regiest'
[0:00] <wrabbit> i like when people arent really interested in the details people ask them for, they just want to cut right to how you fix it
[0:01] <clever> wrabbit: can you decrypt what he is trying to say?
[0:01] <wrabbit> no idea what that last word means
[0:01] <clever> register
[0:01] <wrabbit> i guess id need more context
[0:02] <clever> he gave none, that was the first message he sent
[0:02] <wrabbit> hehe
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[0:02] <clever> thats what i get on a daily basis :P
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[0:04] <shiftplusone> I was in ER today and realized how much worse doctors have it. Not only do people have trouble communicating what sort of pain they are having, the conditions leading up to the pain are important and the patient has no way of knowing what information may be relevant... so the doctor has to filter out all the junk information and weed out the relevant information while avoiding all technical lan
[0:04] <shiftplusone> guage and so on... TLDR; Troubleshooting humans is hard.
[0:04] <clever> yeah
[0:05] <clever> for example, i discovered dried blood on the side of my neck today
[0:05] <clever> no clue where it came from
[0:05] <clever> wtf? lol
[0:05] <shiftplusone> >_<
[0:05] <wrabbit> and on top of that they are going to lie and say they eat healthy and exercise etc
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[0:05] <clever> theres no moles in that region that could have been torn off
[0:05] <clever> enless i forgot out and its totaly gone?
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[0:06] <shiftplusone> go figure
[0:06] <clever> shiftplusone: oh, and my knee's go out more often then i do
[0:06] <clever> every time i even think of leaving the house, my knees go out!
[0:06] <shiftplusone> heh
[0:07] <clever> might have something to do with the time i nearly twisted my knee off and never got it checked out :P
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[0:07] <shiftplusone> ouch. I hate to think about all the things that will catch up with me when I am older.
[0:08] <clever> the odd thing
[0:08] <clever> is that both knee's give me problems
[0:08] <clever> but i only blew one...
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[0:10] <Phosie> I worry about my knees too. Not sure if all the running and cycling I do will help me or hinder me in the future.
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[0:10] <clever> Phosie: my damage is much simpler
[0:10] <clever> i went down the stairs, looked out a window
[0:10] <clever> then turned 180, and tried to jump up the stairs
[0:10] <clever> i forgot to point my foot forwards
[0:11] <Phosie> Ouch!
[0:11] <clever> the leg doesnt jump very well when the foot is pointing backwards
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[0:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Phosie: running isn't good for knees, cycling is beneficial if you prefer your glutes over your quads
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[0:12] <wrabbit> elliptical ftw
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[0:12] <Phosie> All I know is my legs hate me after every triathlon I run :P
[0:12] <clever> Phosie: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/running
[0:13] <Vanfanel> I've been running all my life and my knees are fine. Just don't run on asphalt or any other hard surfaces!
[0:13] <clever> Vanfanel: read the above link!
[0:13] <Triffid_Hunter> heh run in bare feet.. then you force yourself to keep the impacts down :)
[0:14] <Vanfanel> clever: I read that comic months ago. It's VERY true :)
[0:14] <[SLB]> how are the surfaces in fanelia? :D
[0:14] <clever> Vanfanel: right down to the grape juice?
[0:14] <Phosie> clever: Heh
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[0:15] <Phosie> Vanfanel: I've almost always ran on asphalt.
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[1:05] <helljawz> omxplayer does't respond to hotkeys
[1:05] <helljawz> what could it be?
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[1:40] <Nexuist> ok so i've install cups, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, next i do sudo sync and reboot?
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[1:42] <shiftplusone> Haven't follow the previous conversation, but you don't generally need to reboot linux after installing things unless it's the kernel of firmware, you don't need to sync before rebooting and you don't need to 'sudo' when you sync
[1:42] <shiftplusone> *kernel or firmware
[1:44] <Nexuist> alright cool
[1:44] <shiftplusone> though you could reboot if you need to start a service that is enabled by a default and you don't want to start it yourself
[1:44] <Nexuist> my end goal is to get a printer connected to this so i can print through it
[1:45] <Nexuist> over LAN
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[1:46] <Phosie> Printers are always a pain
[1:47] <Nexuist> yeah
[1:48] <Phosie> I suddenly want a glow in the dark case for my pi...
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[1:49] <Nexuist> is the default port for CUPS 631?
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[2:14] <kylethebaker> why is it that i see a lot of rpi bundles coming with micro sd cards and card adapters? are there any advantages to using micro instead of standard sd cards?
[2:14] <kylethebaker> i get that theyre smaller, but i feel like that just makes them easier to break/lose
[2:14] <Triffid_Hunter> perhaps they're cheaper?
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[2:20] <Phosie> I can't remember but don't they stop the card sticking out?
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[2:21] <shiftplusone> Phosie, nuh, those are special adapters, not standard microsd->sd adapters.
[2:21] <Triffid_Hunter> Phosie: no. then it would be rather difficult to remove from devices expecting standard SD
[2:22] <Phosie> Then i have no idea :-)
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[2:22] <ShorTie> what is so special about them ??
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[2:23] * Phosie wishes Wednesday would arrive sooner
[2:23] <Phosie> I'm too impatient for online shopping
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[2:26] <happygilmoregent> how's it going tonight
[2:28] <happygilmoregent> are 5v 1a chargers common?
[2:29] <Firehopper> fairly
[2:29] <happygilmoregent> cell phone?
[2:31] <happygilmoregent> is the "monitor" connection to a pi box HDMI>
[2:31] <happygilmoregent> ?
[2:31] <happygilmoregent> it says to connect to tv
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[2:31] <happygilmoregent> jc
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[2:31] <Phosie> Hdmi or rca
[2:33] <happygilmoregent> ok
[2:33] <happygilmoregent> RCA is only one cable?
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[2:35] <Phosie> Yes
[2:35] <happygilmoregent> ok not trying to be a pain in here
[2:36] <Phosie> http://www.computercablestore.com/images/products/No%20Manufacturer/8-2100.jpg
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[2:43] <happygilmoregent> no shave nov is itching me
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[2:46] <Phosie> So glad i don't have to worry about that :-)
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[2:52] <clever> shiftplusone: found my device tree problem
[2:52] <clever> its hanging at bcm_mailbox_read
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[3:12] * LuisLeite good evening :>
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[3:22] <taternuts> is there a spot where you can buy pysical sensors that can read into rpi for cheap?
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[4:29] <shawnbon206> ok anyone have any idea what the solution to this one is (re xbmc/openelec)?: buffer full before reaching required size
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[4:37] <Zaatar> hi - pi noob here looking to run a bitcoin wallet on it... what, other than the pi itself do i need to get?
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[4:41] <sney> well, a sd card and a linux distro of your choice. but as long as you aren't mining on it, that's all
[4:41] <sney> (and don't mine on the pi, it's dumb)
[4:42] <oldtopman> sney: I thought it was pretty good with some ASIC miners on it.
[4:42] <sney> well, I doubt it
[4:42] <clever> thats different, proper mining hardware
[4:42] <sney> maybe on a cubieboard or something else with pci bandwidth
[4:43] <sney> and, you know, expansion ability. the pi is a $35 computer best used for learning and /really/ low power stuff
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[4:46] <Zaatar> no mining plans sney
[4:47] <sney> ok. in that case, just approach it as you would any other linux computer
[4:47] <Zaatar> any thoughts on which linux distro is good for a noob?
[4:47] <sney> raspbian is the most popular one
[4:47] <sney> so if you have trouble with it, more people will have answers.
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[4:51] <Zaatar> thanks sney - how big of an SD card should i think about?
[4:52] <sney> I think mine is an 8GB. one thing to consider is that SD cards are not very reliable, especially with a lot of disk activity, so it's worth it to consider keeping your important data somewhere else, like on a network share or a usb drive
[4:52] <sney> the pi needs the sd card to boot, though.
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[4:57] <Zaatar> thanks sney
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[4:58] <Zaatar> this is a good wifi adapter? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B003MTTJOY/02-4686-20
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[5:00] <sney> yeah it's fine, a lot of people get those ones. just fyi, the pi can't provide enough power for a wifi adapter on its own
[5:00] <sney> so you'll need a powered usb hub. you can also power the pi off the hub
[5:02] <Zaatar> that was my next question... can just use a microusb cable hooked up to an iphone charger?
[5:02] <Zaatar> or is there a powered usb hub you like in particular?
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[5:16] <LilSnoop4> question, if i am trying to write to a folder in linux and get a read-only error.. how do i fix this, new to this
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[5:20] <clever> LilSnoop4: which folder?
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[5:21] <LilSnoop4> trying to add a file to /etc/modprobe.d
[5:21] <clever> and are you root?
[5:21] <LilSnoop4> yep
[5:21] <clever> using ssh?
[5:22] <LilSnoop4> yes
[5:22] <clever> pastebin the output of dmesg|tail -n30
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[5:24] <clever> and thats why i said pastebin
[5:25] <LilSnoop4> sorry
[5:25] <Nexuist> lmao
[5:25] <LilSnoop4> shall i redo i
[5:25] <LilSnoop4> t
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[5:25] <clever> go to pastebin.com and paste it there
[5:25] <clever> then paste the link here
[5:26] <LilSnoop4> http://pastebin.com/QdgjZA8y
[5:26] <clever> ok, try just 'dmesg' and pastebin the whole thing
[5:28] <LilSnoop4> thats a lot... i don't see the top of it when i scroll up clever
[5:29] <clever> just paste as much as you can
[5:30] <LilSnoop4> http://pastebin.com/im3BKxXh
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[5:31] <clever> LilSnoop4: ok, your wifi driver is spamming too much to see the real problem, lol
[5:31] <clever> LilSnoop4: can you pastebin the output of mount?
[5:31] <LilSnoop4> spamming.... how do i do that clever sorry not really good with this
[5:32] <clever> run 'mount'
[5:32] <clever> and then put that in a pastebin?
[5:33] <LilSnoop4> http://pastebin.com/wHU1ffV7
[5:34] <clever> it looks like your root filesystem is a squashfs, which can never be modified
[5:35] <LilSnoop4> oh, ok not sure what any of that means other then "can never be modified" so i can't add a file to this dir then
[5:35] <Jusii> looks like xbmc or better openelec?
[5:37] <SpeedEvil> LilSnoop4: yes.
[5:37] <SpeedEvil> LilSnoop4: you'd need to re-make another filesystem with the desired file
[5:37] <SpeedEvil> what's the system?
[5:37] <LilSnoop4> i read on a forum about adding a file then being able to fix wifi dongle from dropping.. wanted to try it
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[5:38] <LilSnoop4> im running openelec on my raspberry pi and wanted to try this: http://www.xbmchub.com/forums/raspberry-pi-discussion/8037-your-wifi-dongle-dropping-connection-mainly-edimax-ew-7811un.html
[5:38] <Jusii> if it's openelec, it's not that hard to remake with your own monifications but takes sometime crosscompiling
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[5:39] <clever> Jusii: dont have to crosscompile
[5:39] <Jusii> you might be able to test that without rebaking the whole system. Disable wifi, rmmod 8192cu ; modprobe 8192cu rtw_power_mgnt=0 rtw_enusbss=0
[5:40] <LilSnoop4> i love my raspberry pi and openelec combo have 4 systems in my house. now i just save this today and wanted to try it out see if it does anything
[5:40] <Jusii> well true, you can unsquash
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[5:41] <wykydtron> I had a question about the Onion Pi, anyone in here tinker with it?
[5:42] <LilSnoop4> Jusii - would you suggest that since i am really not sure what your talking about
[5:42] <Jusii> that command would try to unload that module and then load it back with your options
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[5:43] <Jusii> or it might say 'can't unload, module is used by xxxxx'. then just rmmod every module that it suggests, then run that modprobe
[5:43] <LilSnoop4> so to run that do i have to be in that "/etc/modprobe.d folder and they run that cmd
[5:43] <Jusii> it will load them back with your options
[5:43] <Jusii> no
[5:43] <clever> you can also specify module options in cmdline.txt
[5:43] <LilSnoop4> sorry for being not that good at this
[5:44] <clever> its not your fault, its the guys who made the os read-only
[5:44] <LilSnoop4> well i did that cmd and it didn't do anything
[5:44] <LilSnoop4> just dropped me down a line
[5:44] <LilSnoop4> as if it took i guess?
[5:46] <clever> sounds like it did
[5:47] <LilSnoop4> but when i do a ls in that dir i don't see that file what does that me
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[5:47] <clever> modprobe doesnt make a file, ever
[5:47] <clever> it just loads a module with the options you give it
[5:48] <LilSnoop4> ok, so now another dumb question... how do i know it took is there a way to confirm it?
[5:48] <clever> use modprobe -v instead
[5:48] <clever> rmmod 8192cu ; modprobe -v 8192cu rtw_power_mgnt=0 rtw_enusbss=0
[5:48] <Jusii> and lsmod shows you what modules are loaded currently
[5:49] <LilSnoop4> this popped up "insmod /lib/modules/3.10.16/RTL8188CU/8192cu.ko rtw_power_mgnt=0 rtw_enusbss=0
[5:49] <clever> but not the parameters
[5:49] <LilSnoop4> OpenELEC:/etc/modprobe.d #
[5:49] <clever> yep, that means it did exactly what you told it to do
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[5:50] <LilSnoop4> so that means i did what that post said. i did the part where it told me to add in "crontab -e and the ip thing"... hope that took as well
[5:50] <LilSnoop4> after doing this would you suggest a reboot?
[5:52] <LilSnoop4> when i did lsmod i get this:
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[5:52] <LilSnoop4> " lsmod
[5:52] <LilSnoop4> Module Size Used by
[5:52] <LilSnoop4> 8192cu 530041 0
[5:52] <LilSnoop4> bluetooth 208993 4
[5:52] <LilSnoop4> iptable_filter 911 0
[5:52] <LilSnoop4> ip_tables 9543 1 iptable_filter
[5:52] <LilSnoop4> lirc_rpi 5872 3
[5:52] <LilSnoop4> lirc_dev 7709 1 lirc_rpi
[5:52] <LilSnoop4> OpenELEC:/etc/modprobe.d #
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[5:52] <jalcine> http://pastie.org is your friend, not flooding
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[6:06] <clever> LilSnoop4: anything you do with modprobe is undone when you reboot
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[6:13] <LilSnoop4> so that setting won't stay?
[6:14] <clever> thats what /etc/modprobe.d/ was for
[6:14] <LilSnoop4> so the cmd you had me do "rmmod 8192cu ; modprobe 8192cu rtw_power_mgnt=0 rtw_enusbss=0" stayed even after a reboot?
[6:14] <clever> nope
[6:15] <clever> LilSnoop4: anything you do with modprobe is undone when you reboot
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[6:15] <LilSnoop4> so there is no way to do what they asked based on the way my sd card is written per what you saw on my pastebin
[6:16] <Jusii> you can add those commands to autostart.sh which will be then run on every boot
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[6:16] <Jusii> or put them in kernel command line as clever said
[6:16] <clever> there are dozens of solutions
[6:16] <Jusii> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Autostart.sh
[6:16] <clever> you could use autostart.sh, which is probly in a writable section
[6:16] <clever> or you could use cmdline.txt, 8192cu.rtw_power_mgnt=0 8192cu.rtw_enusbss=0 i think
[6:17] <clever> or you could unsquash the filesystem, change the files in modprobe.d and resquash it
[6:17] <LilSnoop4> would it be too much of hassel to ask you to help me with this. i am sorry i am not really sure about what your saying. i did what you sugguested above, but now not sure about that
[6:18] <clever> did you read the link Jusii gave?
[6:18] <LilSnoop4> what is the best way
[6:18] <LilSnoop4> yes
[6:18] <LilSnoop4> from wiki
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[6:18] <clever> and what did you have trouble with on that page?
[6:18] <LilSnoop4> trying it right now clever
[6:19] <LilSnoop4> ok, i am in nano now and i see this "#!/bin/sh
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[6:19] <clever> add the rmmod and modprobe after that
[6:20] <LilSnoop4> this whole line "rmmod 8192cu ; modprobe 8192cu rtw_power_mgnt=0 rtw_enusbss=0"
[6:20] <clever> yep
[6:22] <LilSnoop4> k see this now in nana "#!/bin/sh
[6:22] <LilSnoop4> rmmod 8192cu ; modprobe 8192cu rtw_power_mgnt=0 rtw_enusbss=0
[6:22] <clever> now just save and exit
[6:24] <LilSnoop4> ok, can i see this file in ftp? in a dir?
[6:24] <clever> no clue if it runs an ftp server
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[6:24] <LilSnoop4> sorry i meant how can i see if the file is where it should be if i created it correct
[6:25] <clever> cat /storage/.config/autostart.sh
[6:25] <clever> run this, then pastebin everything
[6:27] <LilSnoop4> all i get http://pastebin.com/zmLgJtCP
[6:27] <clever> you have a blank line at the top, that means it wont work
[6:28] <clever> the #! has to be the very first thing in the file
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[6:33] <LilSnoop4> so the first line should look like this "#!rmmod 8192cu ; modprobe 8192cu rtw_power_mgnt=0 rtw_enusbss=0
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[6:33] <clever> no
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[6:33] <clever> #!/bin/sh
[6:33] <clever> this should be the first line
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[6:33] <clever> you had everything perfect except an extra line at the start
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[6:37] <LilSnoop4> clever i now see this
[6:37] <LilSnoop4> http://pastebin.com/eENdc47m
[6:37] <clever> that looks good
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[6:38] <LilSnoop4> that's all i have to do, is there any way to add in that other part that says run "crontab -e" then enter "*/1 * * * * ping -c 1 192.168.1.1"
[6:39] <clever> dont see any point to that line
[6:39] <LilSnoop4> ok so the part i did is all i have to do should be ok?
[6:40] <clever> yea
[6:40] <LilSnoop4> if so thanks for you help i will is if i notice a difference. sorry to bother you i appreciate it
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[9:02] <azizLIGHTS> running weechat with lots of big channels on various networks, it spikes cpu to 30% every second. is this good/bad/ok? i am overclocked to medium
[9:03] <azizLIGHTS> its using 9% memory on the model B
[9:04] <clever> sounds like maybe a design flaw in the code
[9:04] <clever> i'm in over 100 channels with irssi, and its not even using 0.5% of my cpu
[9:05] <Phosie> Why are you in so many?
[9:05] <clever> i join a channel, then i never leave :P
[9:07] <Nefarious___> surely there's a limit?
[9:07] <clever> most networks have a limit of 20 per connection
[9:08] <azizLIGHTS> 20 channels per connection? thats it?
[9:08] <clever> i'm on 15 irc networks
[9:08] <azizLIGHTS> im using ssl on the networks though
[9:08] <azizLIGHTS> is that whats causing the cpu spike
[9:08] <clever> shouldnt be using that much
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[9:09] <clever> how fast are you updating the cpu usage?
[9:09] <azizLIGHTS> whatever is default for top
[9:09] <clever> hit s and change it to 30 seconds
[9:09] <azizLIGHTS> looks like every 2-3 seconds
[9:10] <clever> the more often you update it, the less accurate it becomes
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[9:10] <azizLIGHTS> does that take a snapshot every 30 second mark or average the whole 30 seconds
[9:10] <clever> it averages the whole 30 seconds together
[9:10] <azizLIGHTS> lets see
[9:10] <azizLIGHTS> how it does
[9:10] <clever> it helps to understand how linux tracks the usage
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[9:11] <clever> the kernel automaticaly keeps a running total of how many seconds of cpu time each process has used
[9:11] <clever> top just looks at that value, and checks how much it went up
[9:11] <clever> if it went up by 3 over 30 seconds, then thats 10% usage
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[9:11] <azizLIGHTS> i see 24% on weechat-curses
[9:11] <azizLIGHTS> at the most recent update
[9:12] <clever> one min
[9:13] <azizLIGHTS> im using 0.4.2 from the weechat repo for raspbian
[9:13] <clever> Unpacking weechat-curses (from .../weechat-curses_0.3.8-1+deb7u1_armhf.deb) ...
[9:13] <azizLIGHTS> yeah, thats the old one
[9:15] <clever> the ui looks very similar to irssi
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[9:15] <clever> almost identical
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[9:16] <clever2> until i join a channel, now its completely different
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[9:16] <azizLIGHTS> yeah it seems to be inspired from irssi, but its got more built-in functionality from the get-go than irssi
[9:16] <clever2> such as?
[9:16] <clever2> 2943 pi 20 0 29720 14m 7008 S 1.3 7.9 0:06.34 weechat-curses
[9:17] <azizLIGHTS> colored nicks, nick list
[9:17] <azizLIGHTS> i think better windowing
[9:17] <clever2> irssi can color nicks with proper use of the highlight controls
[9:17] <clever2> and nick lists, who needs em!
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[9:17] <clever2> 2943 pi 20 0 29720 14m 7008 S 3.4 7.9 0:07.75 weechat-curses
[9:18] <clever2> azizLIGHTS: mine seems to be eating 3.4% cpu on just this one channel
[9:18] <clever2> that feels oddly high, let me compare things...
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[9:18] <Jimi_Neutral> Morning peeps. I have an old TV that is HDMI but does not have network capability. I was thinking about using the raspberry pi i have, connected with an HDMI cable, wireless dongle plugged into it to stream from my Synology NAS. Its a temp measure until we get cable tv sorted. Any ideas how I can go about this?
[9:18] <azizLIGHTS> clever: well, that is an older version, keep that in mind
[9:19] <azizLIGHTS> im on 0.4.2 from the repos for raspbian from http://raspbian.weechat.org
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[9:20] <clever2> azizLIGHTS: ok, lets see how this does
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[9:20] <clever> azizLIGHTS: 0.1% cpu usage right now
[9:21] <clever> weechat was taking up 30 times more cpu power
[9:21] <azizLIGHTS> hm
[9:21] <clever> now its still 0.1% cpu usage
[9:21] <clever> even after we spoke a bit in this room
[9:22] <clever> the sd card thread is using up more cpu then irssi, lol
[9:22] <clever> looks like irssi wins as far as cpu usage goes
[9:22] <azizLIGHTS> yeah i suppose
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[9:23] <azizLIGHTS> im gonna try some things
[9:23] <azizLIGHTS> gimme a sec
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[9:27] * clever waves
[9:27] <C200> Jimi_Neutral: Have you read about Raspbmc?
[9:27] <Phosie> Ello clever
[9:28] <clever> hmmmm, i wonder if i can fix things by just turning off random chunks of the kernel
[9:29] <clever> nope, power.c doesnt look optional
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[9:30] <C200> Jimi_Neutral: http://youtu.be/64l-BmPqxJk
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[9:33] <Jimi_Neutral> ty C200
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[9:48] <azizLIGHTS> clever: what client are you using now
[9:49] <azizLIGHTS> and how much cpu does it use
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[10:06] <azizLIGHTS> what irssi clients are people using on their pi's? and how much is the CPU usage stable and peak?
[10:06] <azizLIGHTS> er... irc clients
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[10:07] <Phosie> I use Quassel, no idea on CPU usage
[10:07] <Phosie> Used to use irssi
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[10:10] <azizLIGHTS> clever: if i run weechat without plugins and scripts and no channels joined, it runs under 1%, if i run it with plugins, but no scripts and jined all the channels/networks, it runs at 1-2% stable but peaking at 6-7%. if i run it with scripts as well, then we're back to 20-40% cpu peaks
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[10:13] <xrosnight> hello guys
[10:14] <xrosnight> or ladies ;)
[10:14] <Phosie> Hi
[10:14] * LuisLeite good morning
[10:14] <ShorTie> mornin
[10:14] <clever> azizLIGHTS: then the scripts are clearly to blame
[10:14] <xrosnight> Phosie: so you are a lady :)
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[10:14] <xrosnight> morning , here's afternoon :)
[10:15] <azizLIGHTS> clever: yes, unfortunately
[10:15] <Phosie> Maybe
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[10:16] <xrosnight> good to hear that. I am in China now. Where are you guys and ladies ? :)
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[10:16] <Phosie> Mars
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[10:42] <Jimi_Neutral> Morning guys, i was given a tut to set up NFS sahres on my synology NAS....will this mean I need to set up NFS on the RPi when i install RaspBMC? Sorry if it is an obvious question.
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[10:43] <bacobart> xbmc has its own nfs client
[10:43] <bacobart> so you can just search for nfs servers in xbmc, and it'll find your nas
[10:44] <Jimi_Neutral> Aye, but what I mean is do I need to tick the yes box when installing BMC for NFS shares
[10:44] <Jimi_Neutral> the 'Run raspberry over NFS' option
[10:45] <clever> thats to install everything on an nfs server, instead of the sd card
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[10:45] <clever> totaly different
[10:45] <bacobart> i'm not sure if i understand the question, but i think that option is for when you want to boot of nfs
[10:45] <bacobart> so it's not needed unless you want to boot from nfs
[10:47] <Jimi_Neutral> Ah ok, its just I was given a tut to install bmc because it runs media well and the tut said to do it over NFS because it is faster than windows SMB
[10:47] <Jimi_Neutral> So i have set up the NFS on my synology NAS but wasnt sure to tick this option box when installing BMC
[10:48] <bacobart> you don't need to
[10:49] <bacobart> share your media over nfs from your nas, and you can add the share from within xbmc
[10:49] <bacobart> boot raspbmc from your sd card, it'll be fine for your setup. no need for booting over network/nfs.
[10:50] <Jimi_Neutral> ok, thanks for that.
[10:52] <Jimi_Neutral> an whats the best way to format it? its an 8gb card and im in windows so I know I only have fat32 and NTFS but i thought there might be another option somehow
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[11:02] <Jimi_Neutral> nm
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[11:05] <saedelaere> damn, I just tried to use a pi model A for the first time. whenver i plug something into the usb port the pi shuts down. even if I just use a usb cable. wtf
[11:05] <saedelaere> ever heard of something like this before?
[11:06] <ShorTie> need a better power supply
[11:06] <saedelaere> now I have to order a new one, because it may take long untel rs-components exchanges this one. if they will at all
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[11:06] <saedelaere> I don't think so ShorTie
[11:06] <saedelaere> I just plugged in a usb cable
[11:06] <saedelaere> with nothing attached to it
[11:07] <ShorTie> or maybe a bad cable
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> saedelaere, regardless of your problems, please read the channel rules and watch the language.
[11:09] <saedelaere> my power supply delivers 2.5amp at 5v, that should be enough
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[11:10] <saedelaere> no I can rule out a bad cable, I tried with my wlan stick first that works everywhere else
[11:10] <saedelaere> and on my other pis
[11:10] <saedelaere> gordonDrogon: sorry!
[11:11] <Jimi_Neutral> dammit, wont install over our network....thats odd seeing as it let me download the installer
[11:13] <Jimi_Neutral> standalone image it is
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[11:17] <martk100> Using python. Is it possible to exit a function and maintain the values of the variables? I don't think declaring the functions as global will work.
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[11:21] <Coffe> i guess you could return that object to keep them .
[11:23] <martk100> Coffe: I am not sure I understand. I am a python beginner.
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[11:24] <martk100> Coffe: Do you mean something like return speed1, speed2
[11:25] <Davespice> martk100: you can return multiple values inside a list or a dictionary
[11:25] <Davespice> so it would be return [speed1, speed2]
[11:26] <Davespice> or return { "speed1": speed1value, "speed2": speed2value}
[11:26] <Davespice> then in the consuming function you would access the return value by going obj["speed1"] etc
[11:27] <Davespice> or obj[0] if you're using a basic list
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[11:28] <Davespice> square brackets for lists [], curly bracks for a dictionary {} (sometimes called an associative array)
[11:28] <martk100> Davespice: I cant see how that would help. My called function writes the values to another function in a different program. When I exit the called function the values go to zero. I want them to maintain the values on exit .
[11:29] <Davespice> okay well, you could just declare them global so that they never go out of scope
[11:29] <Davespice> or declare copies of them
[11:29] <Davespice> see here; http://stackoverflow.com/questions/423379/using-global-variables-in-a-function-other-than-the-one-that-created-them
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[11:30] <martk100> Davespice: So declaring them as global. I can use them anywhere in the complete program not just in the functions inside one program.
[11:30] <Davespice> correct
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[11:31] <Davespice> it's a bit of a hack though if your program is really big though
[11:32] <Davespice> that stack overflow page explains it pretty well though, thats also a really useful site to research programming stuff
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[11:32] <martk100> Davespice: Good thanks I will have another look at it.. My prog is tiny at the moment. It will get bigger.
[11:32] <Davespice> no probs, good luck with it
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[12:30] <Sonny_Jim> How do I stop a service from starting at boot?
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[12:31] <Sonny_Jim> update-rc.d
[12:31] <SirLagz> Sonny_Jim: did you just answer your own question ?
[12:32] <Sonny_Jim> Yup
[12:32] <ShorTie> update-rc.d --help
[12:32] <Sonny_Jim> I was checking whether google or IRC would be quicker ;-)
[12:32] <Sonny_Jim> Google wins this time
[12:32] <ShorTie> tells alot
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[12:32] <Sonny_Jim> A lot is two words
[12:32] <Sonny_Jim> Personal bug bear of mine
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[12:32] * ShorTie flunked spelling
[12:33] <Sonny_Jim> You can allot something
[12:33] <linuxstb> Isn't bugbear one word?
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[12:34] <CDR`> alot is a town in India, so correct but used in the wrong context
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[12:34] <CDR`> and linuxstb is correct - bugbear is one word
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[12:34] <CDR`> according to google "define: bugbear"
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[12:35] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[12:36] <Sonny_Jim> Working together we can clean up the English language
[12:36] * ShorTie hands Sonny_Jim a box of Kleenex
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[12:37] <Sonny_Jim> Errr?
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[12:38] <CDR`> lol
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[12:39] <ShorTie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleenex
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[13:00] <Reverse> hey anyone not idling here? How do i set a delay for the audio output on HDMI on openelec?
[13:00] <Reverse> google isn't helpful at all on this.
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[13:01] <baseline> Does anyone know where I can get a comprehensive playlist of radio streams to use for an alarm clock?
[13:03] <linuxstb> Reverse: Try #openelec
[13:03] <Reverse> linuxstb, alright thanks for the heads up
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[13:04] <bacobart> it's an option in xbmc Reverse
[13:04] <bacobart> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Video_playback#OSD_audio_and_subtitle_settings
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[13:05] <linuxstb> baseline: Define "comprehensive".
[13:05] <Reverse> bacobart, oh that's great, thanks :) I didn't know about that since my friend managed the xbmc part of the whole idea...
[13:05] <baseline> ok, I guess that's a little vague
[13:05] <baseline> linuxstb: I guess some UK stations like BBC
[13:05] <baseline> linuxstb: And probably a nice variety of popular net-only stuff similar to the iTunes defaults
[13:06] <baseline> something... girlfriend-proof
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[13:08] <baseline> I was hoping there was a site somewhere with this kind of stuff
[13:09] <bacobart> http://www.listenlive.eu/
[13:09] <bacobart> two second google query;)
[13:09] <baseline> bacobart: What did you search for?
[13:09] <bacobart> radio stream index
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[13:10] <baseline> fml. nice one.
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[13:13] <Reverse> bacobart, your solution worked, thanks. guess I'm just bad at googling (i kept for searching ways on doing it lower level (sound server / driver))
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[13:15] <bacobart> Reverse, you're welcome:)
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[14:03] <baseline> hmm.. it's not that easy. bbc change their urls by mixing up query strings etc. I'll need to implement a cron script to get this to work.
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[14:06] <baseline> iset
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[14:33] <MrVector> Good afternoon fellas
[14:34] <MrVector> I've got me one of these: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61zKWVQjcZL._SL1100_.jpg
[14:34] <MrVector> Not exactly sure how to wire it up to the Pi, it's got two rows of pins, and both rows have the exact same markigns
[14:34] <MrVector> Any ideas?
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[14:35] <pksato> clonned pins.
[14:35] <MrVector> Cloned*? So it doesn't matter which row?
[14:36] <MrVector> Ooooh! I see
[14:36] <MrVector> I'm just being dumb, yes. You seem to be correct :)
[14:36] <pksato> connect and gnd to rpi gnd, and VCC to 3v3.
[14:36] <MrVector> Looking at the bottom, I can see that both the RX and TX are connected
[14:36] <pksato> TX and RX, my be need to inverted.
[14:37] <MrVector> Just trial and error?
[14:37] <MrVector> Regarding TX/RX swapping
[14:37] <pksato> yes.
[14:38] <pksato> or, it have manual?
[14:38] <MrVector> Pardon my ignorance, I'm not too good with hardware. Why would it need swapping?
[14:38] <MrVector> Unfortunately not
[14:38] <pksato> or, find on that pin of MAX TX or RX are connected.
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[14:41] <MrVector> Sorry, I didn't quite understand that last part
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[14:42] <pksato> figure out where RX pins goes on MAX3232 chip.
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[14:45] <ShorTie> TX talks to RX and viceversa
[14:45] <pksato> from image, TX appears to connected to pin 12 (ttl rx). On this case, connect TX to TX and RX to RX.
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[14:47] <pksato> but, I not sure.
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[14:53] <Phosie> O /
[14:53] <MrVector> Ah, that kinda makes sure
[14:54] <MrVector> I'll have a look, thanks for your help, pksato
[14:54] <MrVector> and ShorTie :)
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[14:58] <pksato> this module also have CTS and RTS pins.
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[15:04] <Phosie> Hello IT_Sean
[15:04] <IT_Sean> Greetings.
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[15:06] <Zaatar> any reason i can't power my r.pi with a micro usb and an iphone charger?
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[15:08] <Phosie> What is the output?
[15:08] <IT_Sean> Zaatar: the iPhone changer does not have a high enough output.
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[15:08] <Zaatar> oh bummer. ok.
[15:11] <Phosie> I should get a new pi PSU, being powered by my hub at the moment
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[15:11] <Phosie> Pi PSU is now a nexus 7 charger
[15:11] <Zaatar> what does the pi need 5v/1amp?
[15:12] <IT_Sean> ^ bingo
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[15:15] <Jck_True_> Zaatar: 720mA in theory - But beefier supply won't hurt :)
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[15:16] <Jck_True_> Zaatar: Also check the cable - If it's too cheap there's a large voltage drop
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[15:17] <Jck_True_> Zaatar: Pull out your multimeter and measure the voltage between TP1 and TP2 :)
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[15:22] <Zaatar> https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3511 shows the iphone charger putting that out...
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[15:32] <Chelsea> Hi all, i've recently downloaded and installed Openelec 3.2.3 (with provided shell script), but the pi wouldn't boot. Didn't get an error message. Haven't checked the checksumk, but just wanted to ask, has anyone else have any problems with that version?
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[16:04] <gitterrost4> Hi, I don't know if this is the right place to ask: I am running Arch on my raspberry pi and only get 2MB/s transfer speeds when writing to an external hard drive. Does anyone have any ideas on how to solve this?
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[16:05] <gitterrost4> The drive is mounted with the following options: /dev/sda1 on /media/Volume type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096)
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[16:07] <Habbie> gitterrost4, this is a good place for that question
[16:07] <Habbie> gitterrost4, what filesystem is your hard drive?
[16:08] <gitterrost4> Sadly ntfs
[16:08] <gitterrost4> Habbie: But it shouldn't perform that bad, should it?
[16:08] <Habbie> i don't know :)
[16:08] <gitterrost4> Habbie: mhm, I could try the options noatime,big_writes
[16:11] <gitterrost4> that got it up to 4MB/s... that could be enough... I'll try that
[16:12] <gitterrost4> And the CPU seems to be the bottleneck... so probably not much I can do about it.
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[16:17] <nid0> thats not suprising using fuse
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[16:19] <gitterrost4> nid0: is there any alternative to fuse for accessing an ntfs file system?
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[16:28] <qjsgkem> good localtime
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[16:31] <qjsgkem> OK, inhaled the rules, won't swear;)
[16:32] <qjsgkem> got my first raspi a few days ago and got a few (probably stupid) questions.
[16:33] <IT_Sean> shoot
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[16:33] <qjsgkem> thx;)
[16:33] <IT_Sean> We probably have stupid answers. :p
[16:33] <qjsgkem> re: xbmc, at .org I found both raspbmc and openelec. is one of them to be preferred, or is it just a matter of taste?
[16:34] <IT_Sean> It's a matter of taste, mostly. I personally prefer OpenELEC, as i found it a bit more responsive in my testing.
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[16:35] <qjsgkem> cool, thanks! ==> I will probably try raspbmc first because I'd need a linux box to prepare an openelec card.
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[16:36] <qjsgkem> two: is it possible to confirm firmware version (or make a backup) before upgrading with the files from github/raspberrypi?
[16:37] <Habbie> qjsgkem, firmware updates do not touch the pi; firmware always comes fresh from your SD
[16:37] <Habbie> qjsgkem, just backup /boot (which is the one thing you'll see on the SD when you stick it in a PC or Mac) if you worry
[16:37] <qjsgkem> ah, so there is only one version of the on-chip step1 bootcode? OK.
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[16:39] <qjsgkem> cool, I think I will just hang around then, unless I'm wasting precious channel real estate;)
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[16:45] <qjsgkem> ah... one more stupid Q: is there a BOOTP or PXE implementation out there? or some way to boot a kernel from external usb mass storage? would make my life (and wear on SD card socket;) easier.
[16:46] <Habbie> you can have root on usb easily
[16:46] <Habbie> but boot loader will always have to come from SD
[16:47] <qjsgkem> yeah, got that, can tell kernel where root is. but can I tell booter where kernel is?
[16:47] <nid0> no
[16:47] <Habbie> qjsgkem, why would you care? reading 1 mb or 20 mb at bootup won't make the difference in SD wear
[16:47] <nid0> the content of /boot has to be on the sd card
[16:47] <qjsgkem> oh... ETOOBAD, hmm.
[16:47] <nid0> fwiw, once the system has loaded you can just pull the sd card out.
[16:47] <Habbie> indeed
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[16:48] <Habbie> but pulling it out will only wear the socket more ;)
[16:48] <nid0> as Habbie says, reading a kernel at boot is going to nacker your sd card in a few centuries, I dont see what the worry is.
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[16:48] <qjsgkem> well, I expect me to do frequent kernel rebuilds, of course I can ftp or scp them over then. netboot would just have been nice-to-have.
[16:49] <Habbie> pxe should totally be doable
[16:49] <ShadowJK> just leave it in
[16:49] <Habbie> not sure if anyone has done a decent writeup
[16:49] <nid0> it isnt
[16:49] <nid0> pxe itself is fundamentally not possible on the pi
[16:49] <Habbie> nid0, chainloading pxe, i mean
[16:49] <Habbie> keeping the SD static
[16:49] <nid0> there are other bodges but they do all require at least some SD access
[16:50] <Habbie> of course
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[16:50] <qjsgkem> heh, I don't want to rip out the card;) just keep it static if possible
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[16:50] <Habbie> apparently you need u-boot and grub pxe
[16:51] <ShadowJK> Even if you had a cluster of 20 machines compiling kernels, you wouldn't be able to wear out an SD card
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[16:54] <qjsgkem> Habbie, nid0: thx for pointers!
[16:54] <Rienzilla> Hello there. It seems my raspberry pi has destroyed a new SD card. it I put it in a linux machine it will give me all kinds of funky I/O errors. Is the card really dead, or is this a problem with a known workaround?
[16:55] <ShadowJK> it's dead, probably was semidead when bought
[16:56] <Jusii> I've done that with couple new kingston cards
[16:56] <Rienzilla> yeah this is a kingston too
[16:56] <Jusii> RPi just didn't like them or vice versa
[16:56] <Rienzilla> sd10g3.8gb
[16:56] <Rienzilla> what brand/type would you recommend
[16:56] <Squarepy> how do you know it is dead, might be a simple fcheck away from a second life
[16:56] <Jusii> i've preferred couple samsung models
[16:56] <ShadowJK> Kingston is famous for rebranding ghost shift cards :D
[16:56] <Jusii> but there's lots of other known good
[16:57] <Rienzilla> Squarepy: it is not just the fiilesystem, i get low level i/o errors when trying to read/write to the card
[16:57] <ShadowJK> Squarepy; I/O errors are clearly distinct from filesystem level problems.
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[16:57] <Squarepy> k
[16:57] <Jusii> samsung MB-SS8GB and MMCTR08G3ACH-NJ what we use
[16:57] <ShadowJK> Also, in my experience, fsck on ext* on SD/usbflash is a bad idea
[16:57] <Jusii> latter is that 'official' RPi sdcard that farnell bundles
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[16:58] <Rienzilla> Jusii: ah okay
[16:58] <Rienzilla> I will go with that one then
[16:58] <Rienzilla> that is also samsung?
[16:59] <Jusii> yeah
[16:59] <Jusii> awfully expensive when bought separately
[16:59] <Rienzilla> I can't even find it :)
[16:59] <Jusii> something like 3e bundled
[16:59] <Jusii> here's one list http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#Working_.2F_Non-working_SD_cards
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[17:00] <Jusii> https://www.modmypi.com/sd-cards-and-adaptors
[17:00] <Rienzilla> Haha yes that's what I based the kingston purchase on :-)
[17:00] <ShadowJK> I like samsung "Pro" cards. The cheap samsung and slightly pricier "Plus" cards are kinda inconsistent, in that while some Plus cards have a good controller, some instead have poor controller coupled with fast flash.. and some of the cheap range have the good controller too
[17:01] <ShadowJK> so far the "Pro" series have all behaed the same for me, across all capacity points
[17:01] <Rienzilla> you have a type number, ShadowJK?
[17:01] <ShadowJK> no, sorry
[17:02] <qjsgkem> damn, never seen Samsung cards in shops here:( just Sandisk, Kingston, Transcend, Verbatim
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[17:02] <ShadowJK> Sandisk is good
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[17:02] <qjsgkem> ShadowJK: all models?
[17:03] <Rienzilla> like ehm, Samsung MB-MG8GB ?
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[17:03] <qjsgkem> got myself Ultra, not Extreme or Extreme Pro
[17:04] <ShadowJK> It's hard to make generalisations like that, because they've used their "Ultra", "Ultra II" etc branding across 10 generations of cards, and sometimes they don't change type number when they upgrade their cards
[17:04] <qjsgkem> oh. gack;)
[17:04] <ShadowJK> And there's lots of old stock in random shops everywhere :)
[17:04] <ShadowJK> The two-coloured MicroSDHC Ultra are nice, especially the "Android edition"
[17:04] <qjsgkem> well, that's a renowned phtog supply shop, so I hope... ;)
[17:05] <qjsgkem> photog
[17:05] <qjsgkem> I also wonder up to which speed raing makes sense with the RPi's controller
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[17:06] <Rienzilla> like ehm... this: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/349435/sandisk-ultra-microsdhc-class-10-uhs-i-+-sd-adapter-8gb.html ?
[17:07] <ShadowJK> speed ratings are meaningless.
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[17:08] <ShadowJK> 3-4 generations ago, slower class cards would've worked best
[17:08] <ShadowJK> now, it's not as easy
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[17:10] <ShadowJK> https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/KernelArchived/Projects/FlashCardSurvey
[17:10] <IT_Sean> The speed ratings on SD cards, as per my understanding, refer to sequential read/write operations. Which are meaningless, as the raspi will be reading & writing randomly.
[17:10] <qjsgkem> oh, YES. know that page;)
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[17:13] <qjsgkem> last (I hope) stupid SD related Q from me: rasperrypi.org recommends using the official sdcard.org formatter which only exists for Win and Mac. and the sdcard.org site https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/ tries to scare me into only using this ("strongly recommended [...] "protected area"). Are they just spreading FUD or is there something to that? (got neither Windogs nor Macos)
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[17:19] <qjsgkem> I *do* record fdisk and minfo output from fresh disks and try to align partitions accordingly. hope that's enough fairy dust.
[17:19] <qjsgkem> s/disks/cards or usb sticks/
[17:20] <ShadowJK> Yeah I think align to 4M is probably only sensible thing
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[17:21] <qjsgkem> cool, OK. I hope that's all the magic about their official tool. (preventing alignment to sector 63;>
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[17:22] <ShadowJK> Well, considering the SD specification explicitly states only FAT or exfat is supported, I suspect they're overly FUD-happy.
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[17:22] <qjsgkem> yeah... and how scarily that stuff is optimized for FATty fses:(
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[17:24] <pwillard> does anyone have long term experience using a ThumbDrive versus SDCARD for root file system? I just moved mine to a 16G Thumbdrive.
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[17:27] <Vostok> i had an sd card fail
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[17:30] <ShadowJK> I've used both
[17:30] <ShadowJK> no big difference
[17:31] <qjsgkem> well, using flash is a chip removing process. 21st century floppy.
[17:31] <qjsgkem> so your mileage may vary, but will always we finite;)
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[17:41] <qjsgkem> hmm, the fixup{,_cd,_x}.dat are relocation info for the corresponding start*.elf?
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[17:43] <qjsgkem> and why are there 3 variants anyway?
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[17:44] <pwillard> ShadowJK: thanks
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[17:47] <Habbie> qjsgkem, the sdcard.org page says "this tool will not format the protected area" - it does not suggest other tools might accidentally format it
[17:48] <qjsgkem> Habbie: hmmm, right. they scare about "reduced performance" but that would (hopefully) just be the 8192 block alignment thing.
[17:49] <qjsgkem> because I really really don't want to get myself a Windows or MacOSX box;)
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[17:49] <serb> Hi
[17:49] <Nefarious___> get someone else to do it
[17:49] <serb> quick ass question
[17:50] <serb> will r pi not werk if i format with windows formatting Utilities
[17:50] <serb> cant use sd formatter atm cuz library pcs wont allow it.
[17:50] <serb> ive formatted it with Țdefault options
[17:50] <serb> Fat.
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[17:50] <serb> Not fat32 or exFat or w/e
[17:50] <Nefarious___> I formatted mine with windows
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[17:50] <Habbie> serb, that's fine
[17:50] <serb> U sure?
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[17:50] <Nefarious___> absolutely
[17:51] <serb> Does the type matter
[17:51] <Habbie> serb, yes
[17:51] <qjsgkem> serb: hopefully not with partition offset 63, but 8192?
[17:51] <Habbie> yes
[17:51] <serb> fat32/exfat/fat16/fat
[17:51] <Habbie> the type matters
[17:51] <Habbie> exfat will not work
[17:51] <serb> Um dunno
[17:51] <serb> i dunno i used ȚFat.
[17:51] <Habbie> fat is fine
[17:51] <Habbie> exfat is not fine
[17:51] <serb> also its only 1.1 gb in size â
[17:51] <serb> Tht is weird because mine is 4gb.
[17:52] <serb> Ive used rpi previously on same sd card so maybe that is Relevant.
[17:52] <Kubius> hello I am trying to make yt work I've installed everything according to the guide here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8157 and it still doesn't work
[17:52] <Kubius> serb
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[17:52] <Kubius> use diskpart to eliminate the raspi partition
[17:52] <serb> Hiâ
[17:52] <serb> cANT DO THAT NON ADMIN I THINK
[17:52] <Kubius> if you're on a win system
[17:52] <serb> Oh well hopefully raspbmc will fit
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[17:52] <Kubius> might be worth a shot
[17:53] <serb> oh lookie i found it
[17:53] <Kubius> but if you can't clear the partition your SD card will be borked
[17:53] <serb> need admin privilege Sadly șă
[17:53] <Kubius> so anyone have an idea on how to deal with my problem
[17:53] <serb> ;[
[17:53] <serb> Question: Does raspbmc come with everything that is needed to play movies ?
[17:53] <serb> Wanna peep american psycho with my grandma. Subbed in romanian.
[17:54] <serb> No internet at home
[17:54] <Habbie> unplug it and test
[17:55] <serb> Ok. Bbl. Bai
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[17:55] <serb> Shit
[17:55] <serb> 63 mb remaining after unpacking NOOBS in the sd card
[17:55] <IT_Sean> !quote rules
[17:55] <sourcebot> Please be sure familiarize yourself with the channel conduct policy. http://tiny.cc/h7za1w
[17:55] <IT_Sean> ^ serb
[17:55] <serb> *Bollocks
[17:55] <sney> lol
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[17:55] <serb> Brb
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[17:56] <Kubius> so
[17:56] <Kubius> anyone got an idea on my problem? I have yt, python-setuptools and omxplayer installed and yt won't load videos
[17:57] <Kubius> I can get into the program fine but when I select a video it says playing and nothing happens
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[17:58] <SKyd3R> Is there any other way to do cross compilation than crosstool-hg?
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[17:59] <sney> help the bots are revolting
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[17:59] <sney> SKyd3R, there was a qemu script for it floating around a week or so ago.
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[17:59] <Nefarious___> I wonder what he did
[18:00] <jlf> tsk, bots with ops
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[18:03] <SKyd3R> sney, could you link it, please?
[18:03] <sney> if I knew where it was
[18:04] <sney> it's not even in my browser history
[18:04] <sney> but I think it was on github so it should be searchable
[18:04] <SKyd3R> ok, I will continue googling it
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[18:06] <Kubius> ok this is going to sound ridiculous but how do I go up a directory
[18:07] <Habbie> cd ..
[18:07] <Kubius> ok good to know
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> cd ..
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> the space matters
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[18:08] <ln-> in case you are running VMS instead of *nix, then it's 'cd [-]'
[18:08] <Kubius> ach
[18:08] <ln-> that's quite unlikely on raspberry pi though
[18:08] <Kubius> yt still doesn't work
[18:08] <Kubius> I have omxplayer installed
[18:09] <Kubius> but it's not functional
[18:09] <Kubius> I can't for the life of me figure out why
[18:09] <Kubius> I do have yt set to use it, but it still doesn't work
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[18:09] <Kubius> so the question is
[18:09] <Kubius> blame google
[18:09] <Kubius> or blame pi?
[18:10] <Habbie> how is it failing?
[18:10] <Kubius> I select a video in yt
[18:10] <Kubius> it says "playing (url)"
[18:10] <Kubius> the window closes
[18:10] <Kubius> nothing happens
[18:10] <Kubius> I'm still in yt
[18:10] <Kubius> just no actual youtube
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[18:18] <Kubius> no one?
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[18:23] <Kubius> fascinagting
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[18:24] <Kubius> tried running it with pi-yt
[18:24] <Kubius> and it gives an attribute error
[18:24] <Kubius> 'str' object has no attribute 'player'
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[18:37] <Kubius> can someone help
[18:37] <Kubius> I'm trying to use pi-yt and I get an error "AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'player'
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[19:21] <tdn> I have just installed raspbmc. How do I make it automatically bring up the wifi NIC wlan0 and connect to my wifi network? I can connect to the network manually with wicd-curses.
[19:21] <tdn> But how do I make this persistent?
[19:21] <tdn> So that it will always connect to this network if it is available.
[19:22] <sney> you could disable wicd and set it up in /etc/network/interfaces . there may also be an auto-up setting in wicd but I haven't used it recently enough to remember
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[19:26] <Jusii> there's a flag for autoconnect in settings
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[19:26] <Jusii> automatically connect...
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[19:26] <Jusii> you'll find it when over your SSID press cursor right
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[20:25] <hid3> Hello everyone. I'm trying to drive a "8 Relay Module" board with Rpi and wiringPi tool `gpio`.
[20:25] <hid3> Anyone worked with `gpio` for driving a relay? Looks like I have a problem. After I type "gpio mode 8 out", the relay seems to activate. "gpio write 8 0" does nothing for the relay while "gpio write 8 1" deactivates the relay. I believe this is completely opposite of what should be. I think "gpio write 8 1" should activate the relay, while "gpio write 8 0" should deactivate it.. Any ideas?
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> it's probably OK.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> its probably the way its designed to work - or you have it wired the wrong way. do you have a link to the module you have?
[20:27] <hid3> Just a minute
[20:27] <hid3> The relay module: http://www.sainsmart.com/8-channel-dc-5v-relay-module-for-arduino-pic-arm-dsp-avr-msp430-ttl-logic.html
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[20:27] <pksato> hid3: these modules have a inverted logic. 1 off, 0 on.
[20:28] <hid3> Wow. That's crazy
[20:28] <hid3> So rebooting the Rpi will make them go crazy, right?
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> did you build the additional interface board for it?
[20:28] <hid3> e.g. if they all are activated, the reboot will cause them to deactivate
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[20:29] <pksato> insert a UNL200x betwen RPi and relay board.
[20:29] <hid3> no, I did nothing additional. I've just wired it straightly to Rpi. I've watched this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2B67hybdAA
[20:30] <hid3> What's a UNL200x?
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[20:31] <pksato> But, on power on, RPi set GPIO as input. Need to set out to 1 before change mode to output. (if possible)
[20:31] <hid3> oh, yeah
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[20:32] <hid3> but it's so strange to see an "inverted" relay board. Are you sure this is that particular board issue and this is the way it is supposed to work?
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> It's not a bad way to do it.
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> you need to actively short the pin to ground to turn the relay on.
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> so what you can do is set the output pin before changing the mode: gpio write 0 1 ; gpio mode 0 out
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> and so on.
[20:34] <hid3> ok, got it
[20:34] <hid3> actually 8 instead of 0
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> yea, 8 & 9 are not the best pins to use though - they're fine, but they have 1.8K pull-ups on the Pi - designed for I2C.
[20:35] <xarxer> Hi fellas.. in /boot/config.txt, what unit are the "overscan" values in?
[20:35] <pksato> These boards are designed for arduino for some one, and cloned a lot.
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[20:36] <hid3> gordonDrogon: why are the "best" pins to use for the relay? I mean Raspberry Pin numbering. Let's assume Pin1 is +3.3V and Pin14 is +5V
[20:36] <hid3> I need 8 pins for the relay
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> if you have an 8-port board, I'd use GPIOs 0 though 7.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> for ease of numbering over anything else.
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[20:39] <hid3> but look, GPIO0 belongs to I2C, as you said..
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> er...
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/pins/ has a pin description
[20:40] <hid3> I don't care about the "easy numbering", etc
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> there are 3 pin numbering schemes - wiringPi (mine), native BCM_GPIO and physical pin numbers.
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[20:41] <hid3> I see
[20:41] <hid3> confusion
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[20:41] <hid3> so GPIO0 is actually pin#11
[20:41] <hid3> but again
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[20:41] <hid3> there is mistake in that schema too!
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> it's also BCM_GPIO 17.
[20:42] <hid3> Pin1 is +3.3V, Pin14 is +5V
[20:42] <hid3> this is what marking on the board says
[20:42] <hid3> and the schema says +3.3 is at pin#1 and +5V is pin #2
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> I'm fairly sure it's 0v.
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> P1:2 and P1:4 is +5v.
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> I just checked with a multimeter - it's 0v.
[20:44] <hid3> now that pin issue starts to confuse me
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[20:47] <hid3> lol at getting a jewish relay board :D
[20:47] <pwillard> I think Simon Monk did a nice pin overlay... need to find that again
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[20:52] <hid3> OK, so I'll try to do GPIO1 for Relay #1, ... , GPIO7 for Relay #7 and GPIO0 for Relay #8. That would be easy to remember
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[20:54] <pksato> hid3: or, create a variable to assing GPIO number to relay, RL1=107; RL2=108; etc.
[20:55] <hid3> the eight relays will control power sockets, so I'll number them 1-7 and zero, I think
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[20:59] <pksato> or call var as name of room where power sockets is. living_tv=45; chicken_microwave=87; :) Just a Abritrary numbers.
[21:00] <hid3> All sockets in one room/place :)
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[21:09] <martk100> I have a robot motor which runs in response to input from html page via a shell script and some python. I can not get the motors to stop as everything is still running. I need to allow the motors to run but be able to stop or change speed from the same html page( a different click.).can anyone make a suggestion.
[21:10] <martk100> This sounds complicated but I amsure it is'nt.
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[21:12] <pksato> martk100: is all you code? or C&P from some where?
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[21:13] <martk100> pksato: I am not sure what you mean. The html and cgi script has been adapted from a friends project. The shell and python are mine.
[21:15] <pksato> You understand friends code?
[21:15] <martk100> pksato: Some of it.
[21:16] <martk100> pksato: Enough to adapt it for my needs.
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[21:18] <pksato> if motor off (gpio=0) turn on (gpio=1) else turn off (gpio=0).
[21:19] <martk100> pksato: The problem is the python script has to run continually or the script executes and terminates. The motor gives a kick and stops.
[21:19] <pksato> or need to more specific.
[21:20] <pksato> you script have some commands to reset gpio on exit.
[21:21] <BCMM> martk100: that doesn't sound right to me - a program can easily turn on a GPIO pin, then exit
[21:21] <BCMM> or does the python module for Pi GPIO prevent that?
[21:22] <martk100> pksato: My python runs another python script which does the GPIO. The motors are pwm controled. I nned to be able to write to a running python program on the fly.
[21:22] <pksato> probable, no. It can set GPIO register on inconsistent way.
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[21:22] <qjsgkem> well... write a little server that listens on a socket or a named pipe, send commands to that from your cgi?
[21:23] <pksato> ah... SW pwm.
[21:23] <martk100> BCMM: I think the GPIOs are on and off all the time for pwm control.
[21:23] <BCMM> martk100: maybe have your python web page use a unix socket or something to communicate with a "daemon" python script, that does the actual GPIO?
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[21:24] <pksato> need to create a some kind of daemon, and a IPC.
[21:24] <qjsgkem> yup. and maybe learn about select/poll and stuff while you're at it
[21:25] <pksato> python have modules to create a simple http server.
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[21:25] <martk100> BCMM pksato: That sounds beyond my current ability. Thanks anyway.
[21:25] <BCMM> martk100: it's not too bad - have you done any network stuff before?
[21:25] <BCMM> unix sockets pretty much work like sockets
[21:26] <martk100> BCMM: Not much.
[21:26] <pksato> or use simple FIFOs for IPC.
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[21:26] <pksato> but, all need some good programing skill.
[21:27] <qjsgkem> but no rocket science. learnable and worth it
[21:27] <martk100> pksato: Yes indeed. I am lacking in that area.
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[21:27] <pksato> can write a programs that control motor from keyboard input text?
[21:28] <pksato> with simple commands of one key?
[21:28] <martk100> pksato: Yes I can do that.
[21:29] <pksato> And read a command from a file?
[21:30] <martk100> pksato: I can take input from html via cgi script into shell script then python to control motor.
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[21:30] <pksato> open a file, seek to last line, read line, a check if is a command to motor.
[21:30] <pksato> close, wait some time, repeat.
[21:31] <martk100> pksato: Not sure what you mean.
[21:31] <pksato> monitor a file for command.
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[21:31] <pksato> and put this program on background (end with &), or use python way.
[21:32] <pksato> and cgi just write a command to file.
[21:32] <pksato> this file can be a FIFO.
[21:33] <pksato> also know as named pipe.
[21:33] <martk100> pksato: Yes cgi just opens a file . Shell script.
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[21:34] <pksato> resume: A motor control code run on background and monitor a file, and read command from a file.
[21:34] <pksato> cgi code write command to same file.
[21:35] <martk100> pksato: What is background. I am out of my depth.
[21:35] <pksato> on second plane.
[21:35] <pksato> or in other shell.
[21:36] <pksato> motor code allways run.
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[21:36] <pksato> waiting for a command to write on a file.
[21:36] <martk100> pksato: Sorry you have lodst me completely.
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[21:37] <pksato> instead from a standar input. Or from a pipe from cgi.
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[21:37] <martk100> pksato: Thanks for your help. I must go.
[21:37] <pksato> Its is simple.
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[21:38] <pksato> You need a friend to help on task/job.
[21:38] <martk100> pksato: Yes.
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[21:38] <pksato> background code is this friend.
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[21:39] <qjsgkem> ∴
[21:39] <pksato> or. split you task on two.
[21:40] <qjsgkem> pksato: he's gone...
[21:40] <pksato> oh..
[21:40] <qjsgkem> he will learn over time. or not. right about needing a resident backup guru for now;)
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[21:43] <pksato> but, fifo (named pipe) is a easy way to create a simple IPC. Just use it like a normal file.
[21:44] <qjsgkem> *I* know;))
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[21:55] <bela__> When connecting another device to the UART port, do I need to connect the 3.3V VCC pins as well?
[21:55] <shiftplusone> just gnd, tx and rx
[21:55] <bela__> I'm trying to revive a router that also has 3.3 serial pins, and the RPi isn't picking up the signal
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[21:56] <shiftplusone> how is it connected and do you know for a fact that there is a signal to pick up?
[21:56] <mgottschlag> bela__: 1. make sure that RX and TX are crossed
[21:56] <mgottschlag> so, RX of the router to TX of the pi
[21:56] <shiftplusone> yeah, I was going to ask, but didn't want to offend you (so I asked how it's connected instead >.>)
[21:57] <bela__> I connected a small speaker to the router's TxD, and noise came out that was like data :)
[21:57] <bela__> stopping after a while
[21:57] <mgottschlag> uh, I hope the speaker was high impedance :)
[21:58] <bela__> only 8 ohms, but nothing bad happened
[21:58] <mgottschlag> (otherwise it might have stopped because the uart burned out)
[21:58] <bela__> lol no, every time it boots, it's the same sequence
[21:58] <bela__> it still works
[21:58] <mgottschlag> good - but don't do that too often :)
[21:58] <bela__> i tried the speaker only after the rpi wasnt working
[21:59] <shiftplusone> so yeah, is that tx pin connected to the pi's rx pin?
[21:59] <bela__> Thanks anyway, I guess I'll keep on trying
[21:59] <xarxer> Hi fellas.. running fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 and entering 'p' shows me mmcblk0p2 start @ 186368 and end @ 3667967 while mmcblk0p5 start @ 188416 and end @ 3667967. So they have the same end and almost the same start.. What's up with that?
[21:59] <bela__> yes of course
[21:59] <xarxer> (Trying to resize fs to fill my SD card)
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[21:59] <shiftplusone> bela__, and how are you reading ttyAMA0?
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[22:00] <bela__> and when rpi tx is connected to rpi rx, I can see the characters I'm typing
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[22:00] <mgottschlag> and I guess you also made sure that the baud rate matches? because there are some combinations which don't even cause random bytes to come out at the terminal
[22:00] <bela__> I'm using screen
[22:00] <shiftplusone> xarxer, can you pastebin what you're talking about? Is this Arch?
[22:01] <xarxer> shiftplusone: Yep, arch. And sadly, no.. I'm currently not SSH-ing to the rpi :/
[22:01] <bela__> it should be 115200 baud, but is there a way I can verify? (without a scope)
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[22:01] <shiftplusone> xarxer, to skip ahead, if it's arch, it's perfectly fine, it's an extended partition.
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[22:01] <mgottschlag> bela__: well, you can always try different baud rates
[22:01] <mgottschlag> anyways, what is the router model?
[22:02] <bela__> TP-Link WDR4300
[22:02] <xarxer> shiftplusone: If I want to expand the FS, should I delete the "Extended" or "Linux"?
[22:02] <bela__> I already rang by the guys @ #openwrt
[22:02] <shiftplusone> xarxer, both. Hang on, I'll get you a script I use.
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[22:03] <shiftplusone> xarxer, the script I wrote is for disk images, so you will have to adapt it for the actual disk.
[22:03] <xarxer> shiftplusone: Cool :)
[22:03] <xarxer> Might come in handy in the future as well
[22:04] <shiftplusone> xarxer, http://pastebin.com/gn0JS2PB
[22:04] <shiftplusone> xarxer, only lines 12 to 33 are of interest to you.
[22:05] <shiftplusone> xarxer, so I delete the extended partition, which also deletes the one inside it, then i recreate the extended to fill the rest of the disk and then the root partition inside it.
[22:06] <xarxer> shiftplusone: Much obliged! Will come in handy :)
[22:06] <shiftplusone> good luck
[22:06] <xarxer> thanks!
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[22:09] <mgottschlag> bela__: btw, did you disable the pi's terminal on the serial port?
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[22:09] <mgottschlag> if you don't, all input might go there instead of your screen
[22:10] <mgottschlag> (/etc/inittab)
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[22:11] <xarxer> shiftplusone: Does it matter wether you run resize2fs on mmcblk0p2 or p5?
[22:11] <shiftplusone> yes, it does
[22:11] <shiftplusone> there's not filesystem to resize on p2
[22:12] <xarxer> Ah okay... Someone in archlinuxarm forum said resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2
[22:12] <shiftplusone> maybe I am wrong then
[22:12] <xarxer> shiftplusone: Taking no risks.. p5 worked fine ;)
[22:12] <shiftplusone> but I doubt it, that's never the case.
[22:13] <xarxer> hehehe
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[22:39] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/10932965584/ < my udoo is here :)
[22:40] <IT_Sean> That appears to be some sort of electronical mechanism type device thing.
[22:41] <chris_99> Firehopper, how much did that cost
[22:41] <Firehopper> yup.. think of it as 4 upgraded raspberry pi's + a arduino due :)
[22:41] <Firehopper> 129$
[22:42] <chris_99> oh it's android
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[22:42] <chris_99> or can it run ubuntu too
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[22:42] <Firehopper> it can run either.
[22:42] <Firehopper> www.urdoo.org
[22:43] <Firehopper> errr
[22:43] <Firehopper> www.udoo.org
[22:43] <clever> android ui is much simpler to put together, but linux is simpler to edit code directly on
[22:43] <plugwash> kinda cool device, pity they only put 1GB of ram on it
[22:43] <IT_Sean> thats a LOT more than you get on a Pi
[22:43] <IT_Sean> 'course, it also costs a lot more
[22:44] <clever> it is a neat toy, but i'm not sure what id use it for
[22:44] <clever> i could do the same thing with a normal android tablet and a pi on the wifi
[22:44] <Nefarious___> you get more for your money with the udoo I think
[22:44] <IT_Sean> Thats how i feel about the Pi. :p But at $35, i bought one anyway to tinker with occasionally.
[22:45] <Firehopper> yeah 2 gig would have been nice.. and its the source of a few complaints..
[22:45] <IT_Sean> 129$ is a bit steep, for that sort of technie plaything
[22:45] <clever> IT_Sean: the pi is a low power server with gpio, so it can be controled from a normal tablet via wifi
[22:45] <Firehopper> the quad wandaboard has 2 gig ram
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[22:45] <Sonny_Jim> The Pi has a massive user base
[22:45] <Firehopper> but thats still more than a pi
[22:46] <qjsgkem> well, I'm dreaming about a bigger arm, too, but first I want to test crossdevving with the raspi.
[22:46] <Firehopper> I'm thinking about using it to make a standalone 3d printer..
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[22:46] <Firehopper> it could be used to design and print the object
[22:46] <qjsgkem> before shelling out 169$...
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[22:47] <clever> Firehopper: i would think any linux computer could do that, the udoo is just small enough to mount inside the printer
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[22:47] <Firehopper> yup :)
[22:47] <Firehopper> just connect a display, keyboard and mouse :)
[22:48] <Firehopper> use the Ramps-FD controller on the udoo side..
[22:48] <Firehopper> and your good to go
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[22:51] <qjsgkem> otoh, that future board is bigger and needs active cooling. tanstaafl;)
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[22:52] <qjsgkem> but with 2G RAM and 2*4 cores at 1.6GHz that's probably to be expected.
[22:52] <plugwash> "future board"?
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[22:53] <qjsgkem> the one I plan to buy after the raspi;)
[22:53] <qjsgkem> odroid-xu
[22:53] <qjsgkem> hardkernel.com
[22:54] <qjsgkem> but I wouldn't want to destroy that with hardware experiments, so I got me a raspi for now;)
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[23:08] <NastyNaz> when i connect my pi to a powered hub via usb (NOT the micro usb power slot) it automatically powers on, is this normal?
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[23:08] <shiftplusone> yes
[23:08] <chod> yes
[23:08] <chod> youre better doing the main power first (ish)
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[23:09] <NastyNaz> do i need to plug in the main power or can I just use the usb slot?
[23:09] <shiftplusone> you can use it like that, it's called backfeeding
[23:09] <shiftplusone> you're bypassing some input protection when you do that, but that's not a serious issue
[23:10] <NastyNaz> ok I see, cheers
[23:10] <chod> cheapness of design
[23:10] <qjsgkem> chod: aaaaaaaaaah. that's the mystery of your /nick ? ;)
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[23:11] <chod> had this nick for a _long_ time
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[23:12] <shiftplusone> qjsgkem, well spotted
[23:12] <qjsgkem> heh, just sprang to mind;) mine is ancient, too. only registered it today, tho, to join here.
[23:12] <qjsgkem> thx;)
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[23:13] <chod> been looking at roguepi
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[23:16] <Macuser> roguepi? What's that?
[23:17] <NastyNaz> is there a root password set on the pi by default? why dont i need to enter one when I use 'sudo' ?
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[23:17] <shiftplusone> NastyNaz, no root password by default and you're not asked to enter the user password because that's the way /etc/sudoers is set up.
[23:17] <chod> Macuser: if i got the name right it was on hackaday
[23:18] <shiftplusone> NastyNaz, note that sudo normally asks for the user password, not the root password.
[23:18] <NastyNaz> shiftplusone: does that mean someone can ssh in to my pi as root since it doesnt have a password?
[23:18] <shiftplusone> NastyNaz, not at all.
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[23:18] <shiftplusone> NastyNaz, that would be a serious security problem if that was the case.
[23:18] <NastyNaz> ok so assuming my password for the default user is relatively strong I am safe?
[23:19] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't recommend falling into the trap of thinking you're ever "safe"
[23:19] <chod> there is nothing on your pi i need, so yes ;-P
[23:20] <Macuser> chod: Ah. I haven't been on hackaday in a while. Thanks for reminding me lol
[23:20] <chod> good stuff some times Macuser
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[23:20] <Macuser> Indeed
[23:21] <chod> i think there is a spypi also
[23:21] <Macuser> One day I'm gonna get a project idea from there for a competition or big school project
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[23:25] <NastyNaz> i just used 'sudo passwd' to set a new password, but my password for 'pi' remained unchanged. which user's password did i just change?
[23:25] <shiftplusone> root's
[23:27] <ShorTie> sudo passwd pi
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[23:27] <NastyNaz> thank you
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[23:27] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, why not just passwd?
[23:27] <milehigh> anyone running openelec 3.2.3 got a xbox 360 controller working?
[23:28] <ShorTie> cause he said that didn't work
[23:28] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, because he ran it as root
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[23:28] <ShorTie> so lets specify a user
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[23:29] <shiftplusone> without parameters it uses the current user... if you use sudo, you run things as root... put the two together. If you want to change your own password, don't run passwrd as another user O_o,
[23:30] <shiftplusone> *passwd
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[23:42] <dreamer> meh, hi all. finally trying to poke at ds18b20 onewire-bla. but I don't have the w1-gpio kernel module. only modules available are: w1_bq27000 w1_ds2431 w1_ds2433 w1_ds2760 w1_smem w1_therm
[23:43] <dreamer> I tried to add 'untested' to the sources list as described here: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/temperature/ -- but this didn't give me a different kernel
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[23:49] <pingo> Anyone have experience with running ds18b20 over usb to serial adapters? I noticed if I connect 2 cables with 2 sensors each it works but then I connect a third short cable with only one sensor and digitemp stops working. Wonder why hmm
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[23:50] <SpeedEvil> Do you mean 'over USB-1-wire serial adaptors.
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> Or are you doing something else.
[23:50] <milehigh> anyone running openelec 3.2.3 got a xbox 360 controller working?
[23:51] <shiftplusone> milehigh, if you want to ask how to get an xbox 360 controller working in openelec, maybe it's a question for #openelec
[23:51] <milehigh> shiftplusone: im asking in there as well
[23:51] <shiftplusone> ah
[23:51] <milehigh> except the answers there seem to be it's a rpi issue
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[23:52] <pingo> SpeedEvil I mean over pl2303 usb to ttl serial adapter
[23:52] * dreamer just wants to use ds18b20 over gpio :'(
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> pingo: And you're bit-banging the 1-wire from the CTS pins or something?
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> Why not do direct from GPIO?
[23:53] <pingo> Im not doing anything
[23:53] <pingo> digitemp is i guess
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> Powered may be more reliable than 1-wire.
[23:53] <pingo> because this is way simpler
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> That is - with an additioanl -wire connection
[23:54] <pingo> I have 3 wires yes
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/148
[23:54] <dreamer> SpeedEvil: I want to! but there is no w1-gpio module so the device isn't recognized
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> also - read that
[23:54] <pingo> http://haklabos.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/uart_ds18b201.png?w=485&h=308
[23:55] <pingo> and then you just run digitemp on the correct device
[23:55] <pingo> and it works, i have no idea how
[23:55] <pingo> ok will read
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> Improvised solutions have issues.
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[23:55] <dreamer> so do the 'normal' solutions, apparently
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[23:56] <SpeedEvil> That strikes me as an extremely fragile solution
[23:56] <pksato> dreamer: I dont know if w1-gpio is integrated to current raspberry pi kernels.
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> Without deeper analysis
[23:56] <pingo> works on my router
[23:56] <pingo> has been for a year
[23:57] <pksato> if not, need to build http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6649
[23:57] <dreamer> pksato: apparently it isn't? I can't see the IC at all
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> pingo: yes - it's fragile in that it depends on the exact details of the serial port drivers
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[23:57] <SpeedEvil> google '1-wire' 'raspberry pi' GPIO
[23:57] <pingo> SpeedEvil http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/214
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[23:58] <dreamer> pksato: my kernel: 3.6-trunk-rpi
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning with no external circuit
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