#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-11-20

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[0:02] <akk_> That was it, I didn't have the plastic bit on the connector jammed down enough.
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[0:11] <[SLB]> when trying to capture images with fswebcam i get gd-jpeg: JPEG library reports unrecoverable error: Invalid JPEG file structure: SOS before SOF
[0:11] <[SLB]> and black frames captured
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[0:12] <[SLB]> long time ago with a previous kernel (and probably also packages updates) it worked fine
[0:12] <[SLB]> should i downgrade some packages?
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[0:12] <[SLB]> capturing from usb webcam
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[0:18] <[SLB]> guvcview
[0:19] <[SLB]> wrong window :p
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[1:11] <ThiefMaster> hi, when connecting the pi to an avr that's running on 3.3v, too, i won't need any additional ICs (such as MAX232) for serial communication, right?
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[1:15] <plugwash> right, if the Pi and AVR are both running on 3.3V you can connect them directly
[1:15] <mervaka> yup
[1:15] <mervaka> pi isn't 5v tolerant, but that shouldn't concern your problem.
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[1:25] <clever> shiftplusone: adding omx support to mplayer now
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[1:34] <IT_Sean_> NASA launching tonight from VA
[1:34] <IT_Sean_> The potentially spectacular nighttime launch may be visible from northeastern Canada and Maine down to Florida, and from as far inland as Michigan, Indiana and Kentucky, according to maps provided by NASA
[1:35] <IT_Sean_> Launch currently lsated for 815pm us et. For anyone in the visable area that may be interested.
[1:35] <IT_Sean_> ORS-3’s primary payload is the Air Force’s STPSat-3 spacecraft, which was built as part of a military program designed to reduce the time and cost required to get satellites to the launchpad. STPSat-3 itself carries five different experiments and sensors that will measure various aspects of the space environment.
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[1:35] <IT_Sean_> The other 28 satellites aboard the Minotaur 1 are tiny craft known as cubesats. These satellites were provided by a variety of institutions and will perform a broad range of experiments and tasks in Earth orbit.
[1:36] <clever> IT_Sean_: ooo, 9:15 local i think
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[1:39] <clever> IT_Sean_: that on ustream?
[1:39] <IT_Sean_> No idea... Im going to go outside and watch it go by (hopefully).
[1:40] <clever> i was going to have ustream to sync, let me know when its going
[1:40] <clever> but its buffering so badly
[1:40] <IT_Sean_> I think the best bet is to keep an eye on the NASA Wallops Facility facebook page
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[1:41] <clever> maybe the twitch app will be better
[1:41] <clever> nope, no results
[1:42] <clever> ah, i see another ustream channel, loading
[1:42] <clever> yep, i see the rocket!
[1:42] <clever> t minus 33mins
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[1:44] <clever> lol
[1:45] * IT_Sean_ hopes the office at the top of the hill doesn't mind a little light tresspassing in their car park
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[1:48] <clever> ewww, interlacing artifacts on the livestream!
[1:48] <clever> why!!!
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[1:51] <kgee> I'm running an updated version of raspbian and I can't get any ogg,mp3,or wav audio playback. strangely, the program in /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_audio/ works
[1:51] <kgee> I've tried aplay, vlc, and mplayer. Nothing comes out of the speakers but the one test program
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[1:52] <clever> kgee: are you listening to the hdmi or the headphone jack?
[1:52] <kgee> clever: headphone jack has the speakers, but the HDMI is plugged in to my TV. I didn't hear sound coming from it, but I'll check
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[1:53] <kgee> no HDMI audio
[1:53] <clever> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=49803
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[1:53] <clever> hmmm, not the thread i thought it was
[1:54] <kgee> clever: I'm creating a headless speaker system to play audio from my desktop in another room, so the headphone jack is the target
[1:55] <kgee> http://blog.scphillips.com/2013/01/sound-configuration-on-raspberry-pi-with-alsa/ this has been my guide so far
[1:55] <kgee> along with pieces of this: http://blog.scphillips.com/2013/01/using-a-raspberry-pi-with-android-phones-for-media-streaming/
[1:56] <kgee> but mostly the first one; my streaming solution is different, and separate from my playback problem
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[2:05] <kgee> got it working... The missing pieces were found here: https://sites.google.com/site/semilleroadt/home/raspberry-pi
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[2:10] <clever> kgee: i think the missing part was just amixer cset numid=3 n
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[2:10] <kgee> I had tried that a while back, but after tweaking so many other settings, it may have been adjusted again.
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[2:12] <kgee> mplayer and vlc still arent working, but aplay is playing wav's
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[2:13] <clever> is mplayer using alsa?
[2:14] <kgee> clever: mplayer has a lot of options. I'm not sure how to check
[2:15] <clever> IT_Sean_: oh sure, it buffers at 30 seconds to go
[2:15] <clever> kgee: brb
[2:15] <kgee> ahh, -ao alsa
[2:15] <kgee> good flag. Much sound.
[2:16] <clever> it should clearly say alsa in its output
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[2:18] <kgee> nice, "mplayer <url>:<port>/<stream>.ogg -ao alsa" will get my icecast/ices stream from the desktop. There's about 10 seconds of buffer/ playback delay, but that's an issue for another day
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[2:18] <clever> you can add that to the config
[2:18] <clever> ao=alsa
[2:18] <clever> ~/.mplayer/config
[2:19] <kgee> cool
[2:19] <clever> does it say caching/buffering when you first run it?
[2:19] <ThiefMaster> in case i wanted to run my AVR on 5V I guess I could simply use e.g. this IC (http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/line-transceiver/5402170/) and connect one of the 3.3v tx/rx pairs to the avr, the other one to the pi, and connect tx1->rx2 and tx2->rx1 of the max3232 - correct?
[2:19] <kgee> yeah, it takes a few moments to buffer before playback
[2:19] <clever> kgee: -no-cache i think
[2:20] <clever> ThiefMaster: a max3232 is for +12 and -12v i belive, dont think it can do ttl on both sides
[2:20] <Triffid_Hunter> ThiefMaster: for avr -> pi use 1k8/3k3 resistor divider. don't need anything for the other way, avr accepts 3.3v logic when running form 5v quite happily
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[2:21] <kgee> clever: Neat. I'm moving the setup from my desk to where It's gonna live. I'll try the no-cache flag in a few
[2:21] <clever> ThiefMaster: yep, that will work, just keep in mind that the divider acts like an RC lowpass filter
[2:21] <clever> kgee: you can also use -cache to adjust the size of the cache
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[2:22] <ThiefMaster> ty
[2:22] <kgee> awesome. 0.5 second delay might be a good cache, just to smooth over network hiccups. It's over a LAN though, so I might get away with 0 cache
[2:22] <ThiefMaster> "just keep in mind that the divider acts like an RC lowpass filter" <- what does that mean? or rather what consequences does this have?
[2:23] <Triffid_Hunter> ThiefMaster: limits max baud rate, ie probably won't run too well at 1MBaud and higher
[2:23] <ThiefMaster> ah, i won't go that high anyway. just need to transmit a few bytes
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[2:35] <clever> ThiefMaster: the capacitance of the inputs and wires, and the resistance of the divider limit the rise time of the signals
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[2:36] <clever> ThiefMaster: and if the baud rate is too high, the rise time will be too long, relative to the bit time, and cause corruption
[2:36] <ThiefMaster> ah
[2:36] <clever> just think of the wires on the low voltage side as a capacitor, and the divider is limiting the charge current
[2:37] <clever> for short distance stuff, the capacitance is too low to matter
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[2:38] <plugwash> The input of the device itself will also have capacitance
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[2:39] <clever> yep
[2:39] <clever> thats usualy listed in the datasheet
[2:41] <clever> ok, now lets see if this omx code will compile!
[2:41] <clever> libvo/vo_rpi.c:163:71: error: 'states' undeclared (first use in this function)
[2:41] <clever> guess now
[2:41] <clever> not*
[2:41] <clever> libvo/vo_rpi.c:195:25: error: 'ILCLIENT_ERROR_UNPOPULATED' undeclared (first use in this function)
[2:41] <clever> still nope! :D
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[2:46] <clever> and!.....
[2:48] <clever> it compiles, but gives a link error
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[2:57] <clever> linking again...
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[5:27] <clever> and after several hours, i discovered
[5:27] <clever> i forgot to call bcm_host_init
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[5:30] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[5:33] <clever> SpeedEvil: one step closer to being able to use mplayer on the pi
[5:33] <SpeedEvil> This is with GPU accel?
[5:33] <SpeedEvil> Or dumb framebuffer
[5:34] <clever> gpu accel
[5:34] <clever> framebuffer stuff probly already works, and would be as slow as you would expect
[5:34] <[Saint]> man, you must be a masochist.
[5:35] <clever> libbcm_host.so
[5:35] <clever> 000047d8 g F .text 00000174 bcm_host_init
[5:35] <clever> [Saint]: yeah, its taken several days just to get what appears to be h264 bitstream out of mplayer
[5:35] <clever> and ive never done any video decoding code before
[5:35] <clever> so i have no fing clue what i'm doing :P
[5:35] <clever> but i think i'm making progress....
[5:36] <clever> i think ive got all the complex mplayer code done, i created a custom h264 module in ffmpeg, which returns the raw h264 bitstream to a custom vo module
[5:37] <clever> and that vo module now calls some of the omx init code from the demo hello_video app
[5:37] <fslima0> raspberypi b + trascend 8gb class 10 + nokia travel charger good combo?
[5:37] <clever> now i just need it to compile with the bcm_host_init call
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[5:40] <clever> [Saint]: so far so good, what else could go wrong...
[5:40] <[Saint]> fslima0: assuming the charger drops at least an amp, yes.
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[5:40] <[Saint]> clever: I *never* ask myself that question... ;)
[5:41] <[Saint]> Its like asking the world for assistance in screwing perfectly good intentions up. :)
[5:41] <clever> :D
[5:41] <clever> oh, and i want ass subtitles to work on this
[5:42] <clever> the ffmpeg-devel guys think i'm crazy after saying that :P
[5:42] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: heh you'll have to find a way to overlay text on the gpu output.. hopefully they provide a library call for that, or at least an overlay image w/ transparency or something
[5:43] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: omxplayer can do unstyled subs, so the hardware has support for it
[5:44] <[Saint]> ASS? IS that SSAv4?
[5:44] <[Saint]> eek, caps.
[5:44] <clever> 437 15 09:53:22< Compn> you want ass subs with hwaccel ?
[5:44] <clever> 438 15 09:53:26< clever> yes
[5:44] <clever> 439 15 09:53:26< Compn> incredibly difficult
[5:45] <clever> 440 15 09:53:42< Compn> to get ass with hwaccel
[5:45] <clever> 441 15 09:53:51< Compn> just warning you now.
[5:45] <clever> [Saint]: ScriptType: v4.00+
[5:45] <fslima0> would arch be faster than raspberry's debian version?
[5:46] <[Saint]> the stock image would be, yes. But as soon as you started to load it with the same default packages raspbian has you'd lose the small advantage given.
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[5:47] <[Saint]> raspbian comes with a tonne of stuff that no one really wants or needs unless they're /really/ interested in learning.
[5:47] <fslima0> i see
[5:47] <fslima0> i am going to try both just to see which one works best for me
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[5:48] <clever> [Saint]: so, on a scale of 1 to 10, how insane am i?
[5:48] <[Saint]> People normally get overwhelmed by Arch when they find out that if they even want a graphical interface they have to install it themselves.
[5:48] <[Saint]> You get a very minimal base image that boots to a comandline, and that's it.
[5:48] <clever> ive installed gentoo from a stage3, you get even less with that
[5:49] <clever> it cant even boot, lol
[5:49] <[Saint]> Gentoo is Arch for people with too much time on their hands. ;)
[5:49] <clever> lol
[5:50] <clever> [Saint]: so, how insane am i?
[5:51] <[Saint]> Taking intentions into account, I would say not at all. Masochistic, definitely, but perfectly same.
[5:51] <[Saint]> *sane
[5:52] <fslima0> i used to have arch on my laptop. it takes some time to get things the way you want, but if you read their wiki, you're fine
[5:52] <clever> oh, and i'm also trying to make the kernel boot with device-tree
[5:52] <clever> ive traced my problem down to either semaphores locking up, irc not working, or the mailbox io address being wrong
[5:52] <clever> [Saint]: you happen to know anything in that region?
[5:54] <[Saint]> Yes.
[5:54] <[Saint]> "its super-nuts complicated"
[5:54] <clever> ive dug thru and figured out how the mailbox code works, and most of the semaphore code
[5:55] <clever> the only part i dont understand fully is how it sets up the irq
[5:55] <clever> or why the semaphore isnt hitting cpu_idle_loop
[5:56] <clever> when it boots properly, the mailbox read function grabs a lock, then hits cpu_idle_loop
[5:56] <clever> an irq reads the message, releases the lock, and sets things rolling
[5:56] <clever> but when its in device tree mode, it grabs the lock, and just stops
[5:56] <[Saint]> I vaguely recall working with memory mapped addressing an eternity ago.
[5:56] <[Saint]> That's about it.
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[5:57] <clever> ive tripple checked the io addresses, and they appear to match perfectly
[5:58] <[Saint]> You're doing this in emulation and step-by-stepping?
[5:58] <clever> nope, spamming printf's all over the code
[5:58] <clever> and booting it on a real pi
[5:58] <[Saint]> Aha.
[5:58] <clever> and with the mailbox interface down, so is the video out
[5:59] <clever> so i had to enable early_printk, and hookup the serial out
[5:59] <[Saint]> Right. Man. You *do* dislike yourself very much. :)
[5:59] <clever> lol
[6:00] <clever> i never even thought to try it in an emulator
[6:00] <clever> and the problem is with mailboxes, so the emulator probly wont emulate that
[6:01] <clever> i did try using u-boot, to load the kernel over tftp
[6:01] <clever> so i could just compile, reboot, test
[6:02] <clever> but u-boot randomly crashes the entire system, mid way thru the transfer
[6:02] <[Saint]> If you've sprinkled enough printfs around in the right places, the effect should be similar to step-by-stepping.
[6:02] <clever> yeah, thats the idea i'm doing
[6:02] <clever> but i have to swap the SD card after each reboot
[6:02] <[Saint]> And, on a side note, at least you're doing something that people vaguey care about - I spend my free time hacking bleeding edge Android onto ancient armv6 devices no one gives a crap about. :)
[6:03] <clever> i did try to get android working on the pi
[6:03] <clever> the 'fork' of the kernel the directions pointed to, wasnt a proper fork
[6:03] <clever> it was a git repo with a single commit and zero history
[6:04] <[Saint]> The thing that bugs me the most is that demo from ages ago from Broadcomm with a pretty much fully functional ICS.
[6:04] <clever> the framebuffer driver was broken, any resolution over 600 pixels tall returned a false error (no page flipping support)
[6:04] <[Saint]> ...what happened to that? :-S
[6:04] <clever> that defect was never in the raspberrypi fork
[6:04] <clever> so whoever forked it for android broke it
[6:04] <clever> that above bug, leads to several things
[6:05] <clever> composite out is under 600 pixels tall, so page flipping works properly
[6:05] <clever> hdmi forced to under 600 pixels tall also works
[6:05] <clever> any hdmi over 600 pixels high doesnt support page flipping, so the userspace code takes a different path, memcpy each frame
[6:05] <clever> tearing!!!
[6:05] <clever> however, if the page flipping works for any reason, the userspace code in android just draws a solid black frame, and nothing more
[6:07] <clever> [Saint]: do you know much about gralloc
[6:08] <[Saint]> Android 4.0 is coming! Jul 31, 2012
[6:08] <[Saint]> by eben
[6:08] <[Saint]> ....hahahahahaha...ahahaha...ha.
[6:08] <clever> if it wasnt for that one minor problem in gralloc, i would have made some progress
[6:08] <clever> but the size of the android codebase is insane, compared to this 'tiny' mplayer codebase :P
[6:09] <clever> libdvdcss/device.h:34:80: fatal error: io.h: No such file or directory
[6:09] <clever> and for some reason, mplayer has stopped compiling on me
[6:09] <clever> without any obvious reason
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[6:11] <clever> clever@sakura /media/videos/4tb/android/android $ ls hardware/libhardware/modules/gralloc/ -ltrh
[6:11] <clever> -rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 9.0K Dec 7 2012 gralloc.cpp
[6:11] <clever> [Saint]: i think this is where i was having trouble
[6:12] <clever> what the.....
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[6:13] <clever> oh, the razdroid fork, that explains it
[6:13] <clever> it had the same name as another repo
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[6:15] <SpeedEvil> Well - 4.4 claims to run on 512 M devices
[6:15] <[Saint]> ...now, if only that were the issue.
[6:16] <clever> [Saint]: let me see if i can find the right copy of the android source...
[6:16] <clever> ive got copies of it everywhere
[6:16] <SpeedEvil> And yes - I'm quite aware that RAM isn't theproblem.
[6:17] <clever> there it is
[6:17] <clever> [Saint]: http://pastebin.com/jCuT3fZC
[6:18] <clever> i remember verifying that it works via method 2, but has massive tearing
[6:18] <clever> and via method 1, it just shows nothing, all the time
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[6:19] <clever> [Saint]: any ideas?
[6:20] <[Saint]> Not off the top of my head.
[6:20] <[Saint]> Not at all, really. Sorry. :-S
[6:20] <clever> i had done many tests to verify the framebuffer is working correctly
[6:21] <clever> mainly, using dd with seek and size controls to write to half a frame in /dev/fb0
[6:21] <clever> while sending kill -stop to the system server, so it would stop flipping on me
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[6:29] <[Saint]> http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/internet/breaking_bad/season_3.html
[6:29] <[Saint]> gah!
[6:29] <[Saint]> ...silly multiple pastebuffers.
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[6:30] <[Saint]> Ignore that. Unless you like free television and movies from less than credible sources...
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[6:33] <fslima0> tv is bad for you lol
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[6:33] <fslima0> so is the internet :)
[6:34] <clever> [Saint]: does it work on the pi? :P
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[6:53] <clever> [Saint]: i think i see why the dvdcss stuff suddenly started to fail
[6:53] <clever> i added -bcm_host to the link options, i think that broke configure
[6:53] <clever> missing an l!
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[7:28] <kylethebaker> i have an idea, can anyone tell me if this sounds like a stupid idea? i was thinking about keeping old rooted android phone plugged into my pi, and have it connect to the pi over ssh and attach to a tmux session thats currently running and also attached to the pi. then i could use my mini keyboard on the pi and use the android as a minuature screen and extra storage
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[7:30] <kylethebaker> and possible be able to write some applications where i can tie the two together using the ssh connection, not too sure about that. i wonder if i can have a tmux window thats sshed back into the droid, then i could use both systems, and take advantage of the droid resources for certain tasks if needed. the droid has more ram and a faster processor than the pi, i wouldn't want to waste it on just a screen
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[7:46] <kylethebaker> hah, works perfectly. i just can't hide the damn notification bar so it ruins the illusion
[7:47] <Ben64> you can hide it
[7:47] <clever> kylethebaker: 2 ways to hide it
[7:48] <clever> kylethebaker: some launchers like holo launcher can hide it system wide
[7:48] <clever> or you can modify your terminal emulator to turn it off, the same way video players do it (per-app)
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[7:49] <kylethebaker> im able to hide it on my main phone, but im running GB on this one with a very minimal rom based on cm7. the terminal emulator i have on my main phone can hide it but im using juice ssh as the app and i dont see a setting for it
[7:49] <kylethebaker> ill look into getting a new launcher
[7:49] <Ben64> use connectbot
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[7:49] <kylethebaker> i didnt see an option in connectbot to hide it, and i couldnt hide the keyboard either
[7:50] <kylethebaker> connectbot is what im using on my main phone too
[7:50] <clever> you would have to modify connectbot to add that feature
[7:50] <Ben64> its called "full screen"
[7:50] <clever> if it doesnt have it already
[7:50] <Ben64> no modification necessary
[7:50] <clever> i never bothered to look for it
[7:50] <kylethebaker> wait, i could hide the keyboard but i couldnt do landscape mode, thats what it was
[7:50] <Ben64> i just looked for it, thats how i know :)
[7:51] <Ben64> it does landscape as well...
[7:52] <clever> ok, ive passed the omx init hurdle
[7:52] <clever> now to try frame decoding...
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[7:52] <kylethebaker> im not sure if its because im running such an old version of android but i dont see any fullscreen options and it doesn't seem to be wanting to go landscape, i know i can do landscape on my other phone though
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[7:54] <kylethebaker> juice ssh also lets me easily change the font size without having to guess the screen width x height i want
[7:54] <clever> another option you may want to look into
[7:54] <clever> run an Xorg server on the phone
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[7:55] <clever> random hit on play store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.x11basic
[7:55] <kylethebaker> its an atrix, i have ubuntu running on it through the webtop thing
[7:55] <kylethebaker> if i plug into hdmi it turns into the keyboard/mouse and i get an ubuntu tablet like desktop
[7:55] <clever> if you run an xorg server on the phone, and xterm on the pi, then the xterm will be visible on the phone
[7:56] <kylethebaker> the reason i have it is so i can watch netflix on my tv hah
[7:57] <clever> i just use my ps3 for that, the resolution is better then my kindle can put out over hdmi
[7:57] <clever> and the ui is better when you add the bluray remote
[7:57] <kylethebaker> Ben64: okay, i see all of the options now. landscape and fullscreen
[8:01] <kylethebaker> im going to play with it more tomorrow, im going to pick a different rom and set it up strictly as a pi compliment
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[8:09] <clever> [Saint]: ok, ive hacked up the core of hello_video and jammed it into the mplayer code
[8:09] <clever> with barely a clue of how it works
[8:09] <clever> bring on the compile errors!
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[8:33] <local> hello all. I am using Raspbian and the X server. Can anyone explain to me where to setup the behavior of screensaver stuff? After about 5mins inactivity time, my screen gets black. I want to disable that behaviour.
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[8:35] <clever> sounds like normal dpms stuff
[8:35] <clever> 'xset dpms force on' i think will do it
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[8:45] <local> why I cannot use "setterm -powersafe OFF" ?
[8:45] <local> clever: why not "xset -dpms" ??
[8:46] <clever> setterm is for when X isnt running
[8:46] <clever> xset -dpms may also work, i'm just used to forcing it on and off
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[8:48] <local> so "xset dpms force off" would be what I am looking for?
[8:48] <clever> that will forcibly turn the screen off
[8:49] <local> and "xset -dpms" ?
[8:49] <local> I though it will just disable PowerEnergy feautures
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[8:49] <clever> not sure on that one, i think it disables the power save entirely
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[8:49] <clever> 'xset dpms force on' i think forces it on, and disables power save
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[9:12] <phuh> is there a way i can control PWM by somehow manipulating /sys/class/gpio ?
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[9:25] <clever> phuh: https://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/PWM
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[10:07] <gordonDrogon> phuh, not that I'm aware of.
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> phuh you can use the gpio command in wiringPi to set the PWM output from the command-line/scripts, etc. though.
[10:08] <clever> gordonDrogon: do you know anything about the omx api?
[10:08] <clever> or ilclient
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[10:13] <yottanami> I try to connect to my Rpi and but just I see this https://mediacru.sh/L6ppf20AWdgp what is wrong ?
[10:13] <clever> yottanami: thats the standard wallpaper for xorg
[10:13] <clever> it looks like x is working, but you havent started any gui apps
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> clever, nothing at all I'm afraid.
[10:14] <yottanami> clever: everything is default, should I change anything to login in desktop manager ?
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[10:15] <clever> is that in vnc?
[10:15] <yottanami> clever: tightvncserver
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[10:15] <clever> ah, i havent tried that on mine yet, *looks*
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[10:19] <clever> yottanami: and what command did you run to start the server?
[10:20] <yottanami> clever: vncserver :0 -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 -dpi 96
[10:20] <clever> i ran just 'vncserver' on mine and everything worked perfectly
[10:20] <clever> maybe without those options it will work?
[10:22] <yottanami> I'll check now
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[10:27] <yottanami> clever: It works without parameters, tnx.
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[10:27] <yottanami> now how can I make it auto start ? do you have any init script ?
[10:27] <clever> just add it to /etc/rc.local, maybe 'sudo -u pi vncserver'
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[10:36] <yottanami> clever: can I add it in .xinitirc ?
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[10:38] <clever> yottanami: that will end horibly
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[10:38] <clever> yottanami: it gets ran every time you start an x server, including the vnc server
[10:39] <clever> so the vnc server starts another vnc server
[10:39] <clever> which starts another...
[10:39] <yottanami> :D
[10:39] <clever> your better off trying /etc/rc.local first
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[10:42] <ShorTie> yottanami, this works for me http://privatepaste.com/0bfd775302
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[11:38] <Kake_Fisk> I disabled boot to desktop on boot, but I now have to type my password before being able to communicate with it. Do apache and other services run in the background even though I haven't logged in?
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[11:40] <shiftplusone> Kake_Fisk, yup, those services have nothing to do with your user account.
[11:40] <Kake_Fisk> Ah, that's good :)
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[11:41] <D4CH_RPi> who would eat a Kake_Fisk ?
[11:41] <D4CH_RPi> That sounds not yummy
[11:42] <Kake_Fisk> :p
[11:42] <shiftplusone> well you'd be missing out, because it's simply a cake shaped like a fish (according to Kake_Fisk's ("real name")
[11:42] <D4CH_RPi> lol
[11:43] <Kake_Fisk> Hehe, you actually whoised me :p
[11:43] <D4CH_RPi> :D
[11:43] <D4CH_RPi> nice one
[11:45] * D4CH_RPi yawns
[11:45] <Kake_Fisk> 744 a good permission for web files?
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[11:47] <D4CH_RPi> Can xmbc run on the same pi as irssi, minidlna, ftp, nzbget without probs?
[11:48] <D4CH_RPi> xbmc*
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[11:48] <ShorTie> rPi isn't a super computer
[11:49] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[11:49] <D4CH_RPi> I know, but all above things run smooth with each other
[11:49] <D4CH_RPi> Just wondering if adding xbmc to it would fuck it up
[11:49] <ShorTie> might start be reading the topic
[11:50] <D4CH_RPi> >_>
[11:50] <shiftplusone> bad D4CH_RPi ....bad!
[11:51] <D4CH_RPi> the swearbot hit me with a wet newspaper and firmly said NO!
[11:51] * shiftplusone sets mode +o sourcebot
[11:51] <shiftplusone> D4CH_RPi, really? I thought the sourcebot is rather polite about it.
[11:52] <D4CH_RPi> I feel violated :'(
[11:52] <ShorTie> why, cause you can't read ??
[11:52] <D4CH_RPi> Yeah, because when entering a channel I open up and external link and read all the rules.
[11:53] <D4CH_RPi> I'm sorry I sweared, that's just how I talk
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[12:16] <markedathome> hi, does anyone happen to know the x,y co-ordinate system for omxplayer? is 0,0 bottom left?
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[12:16] <markedathome> for the --xwin "x1 y1 x2 y2" positioning command
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[12:22] * Vialas installing Vii on raspberypi
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[12:22] * Vialas is scared
[12:22] <shiftplusone> What is it?
[12:22] <Phosie> ^
[12:22] <Vialas> hey shiftplusone
[12:22] <Vialas> :)
[12:23] <shiftplusone> Hello, sir.
[12:23] <Vialas> sorry its Vim*
[12:23] <Phosie> Ahhh
[12:23] <shiftplusone> ah
[12:23] <Vialas> i is scared
[12:23] <shiftplusone> given that you said it was supposed to be scary, I was almost guessing Gogol's Viy.
[12:23] <shiftplusone> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viy_%28story%29 )
[12:24] <shiftplusone> but how is vim scary? >.>
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[12:25] <Vialas> vim is scary because
[12:25] <Vialas> <--- uses nano normaly :D
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[12:25] <Phosie> Nano ftw
[12:25] <Vialas> yea
[12:25] <Vialas> nano ftw !!!!
[12:26] <shiftplusone> yeah, I see no point of switching to emacs or vim. The learning curve is just not worth it when you have things like geany.
[12:26] <Phosie> I tried vim once, took me 10 minutes to quit.
[12:26] <shiftplusone> lol
[12:26] <shiftplusone> :wq , isn't it?
[12:27] <markedathome> that writes and quits
[12:27] <markedathome> you want :q!
[12:27] <Phosie> I had no idea, and no internet to look it up.
[12:27] <shiftplusone> ah
[12:29] <Vialas> lol
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[12:29] <Vialas> yea
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[12:29] <Vialas> :wq! ftw!
[12:31] <Pitel_IPEX> :x ftw!
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[12:31] <shiftplusone> ctrl+x,y,enter ftw >.>
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[12:35] <Vialas> hmm
[12:35] <Vialas> no no no shiftplusone
[12:35] <Vialas> negative
[12:35] <shiftplusone> huh?
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[12:41] <Vialas> im being silly, dont worry shiftplusone
[12:42] <shiftplusone> ah
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[12:44] <pagios> sorry got dc, dv_ what did i miss, i was saying can i try to link the demux pads when the pipeline is "PLAYING"
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[14:06] <LFS> who/where they sell Pi in UK?
[14:07] <shiftplusone> farnell and RS
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[14:09] <LFS> what is RS?
[14:09] <shiftplusone> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi
[14:09] <Jusii> modmypi matches farnell prices pretty good
[14:09] <Jusii> uk company
[14:10] <shiftplusone> Don't see the point of not getting them directly from the distributor.
[14:10] <shiftplusone> or do they actually sell it for the same price?
[14:11] <shiftplusone> and 'course farnell and RS are UK companies as well, so there's not much to the nationalism argument there.
[14:13] <Ben64> shipping to some places is weird
[14:13] <Ben64> i might get my next one from amazon
[14:14] <Jusii> if the price is close I personally support some company for selling these
[14:14] <Phosie> I kinda want a second pi
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[14:15] <Phosie> I don't have the funds at the moment though
[14:15] <Ben64> theyre not expensive
[14:15] <Phosie> I know
[14:15] <shiftplusone> I don't see people buying up pis in bulk and selling them on for a higher price as something that needs supporting.
[14:16] <Jusii> and yes, seems that modmypi and farnell uk prices are exactly the same
[14:16] <shiftplusone> But yes, modmypi folks to put the money back into their own products and make some decent stuff.
[14:16] <shiftplusone> ah, awesome then.
[14:16] <shiftplusone> In that case, +1 for modmypi for folks odering from the UK.
[14:16] <Jusii> ifcourse they get better discounts for buyin lots of pi's
[14:16] <Phosie> I just don't have the funds for a pi, sd card and power supply
[14:16] <Ben64> what i want is a good case for a pi that doesn't cost ~33% of a pi
[14:16] <Jusii> their customer service is also top notch
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[14:17] <shiftplusone> Idn, modmypi left a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth since their cases were of a different quality to what they advertised. Nothing major though.
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[14:20] <Phosie> I'd like the pibow timber
[14:21] <shiftplusone> yeah, I've drooled at that case here before.
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[14:27] <[Saint]> heh, drroling over wood?
[14:27] <LFS> what's the best online list of Pi projects and uses?
[14:27] <[Saint]> awww man, sarcasm is so much better sans typo.
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[14:27] <shiftplusone> >=/
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[14:28] * [Saint] is tempted to say "The Internet"
[14:28] <shiftplusone> LFS, I don't think there's a best or even good place. Search around
[14:28] <shiftplusone> yeah +1 for the internet
[14:28] <shiftplusone> in a non sardonic way though
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[14:30] <pksato> These RPi uses projects are indexed? :)
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[14:32] <[Saint]> Yes. However you want them to be, by whatever tool you find or invent to do so! :)
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[14:35] <Phosie> I might see if i can make my own timber case
[14:35] * shiftplusone hands Phosie an axe.
[14:35] <Phosie> Should have plenty of scrap wood at work
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[15:17] <Jck_True_> Okay - So I just ordered a 50mW Red DIY laser module... Now to figure out where to use it... Hmmm
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> 50mW can cause actual eye damage.
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> Be careful.
[15:18] <Jck_True_> I'm aware
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[15:18] <Jck_True_> Pretty sure it's more like 5mW... China specs you know
[15:19] <Jck_True_> For 2.80USD I'm not counting on miltary grade specs :D
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[15:21] <Jck_True_> Maybe just a photoresistor.... Build laser communication...
[15:21] <Phosie> I want a laser now
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[15:21] <Jck_True_> Phosie: How strong? :D
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[15:23] <Phosie> Something small, dont want to blind myself, or burn my house down
[15:23] <Jck_True_> Get a green one
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[15:27] <Phosie> I just have no use for one
[15:28] <Jck_True_> Neither do I - But I don't have for like 50% of the gadgets i buy....
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[15:29] <Phosie> Ive been buying too much lately
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[15:30] <Phosie> I might buy a pan and tilt kit for my arduino and mount a laser on it
[15:30] <Jck_True_> My RFID cards are in backorder :(
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[15:30] <Jck_True_> 52 RFID cards so I got enough for a full playing deck
[15:31] <Phosie> Oh awesome
[15:31] <Jck_True_> Ducttaped the reader under the desk
[15:31] <Jck_True_> So it scans the card when you slide it over the specified area
[15:31] <Luke_Marlin> Hello
[15:31] <Phosie> Hello
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[15:32] <Jck_True_> All I need is a solid card game AI i can modify :P
[15:32] <Phosie> I'd love to make an nunchuk controlled laser
[15:33] <Jck_True_> but thats really hard to find
[15:33] <Luke_Marlin> Does someone here uses wiringPi ?
[15:33] * Jck_True_ raises hand... I do?
[15:33] <Luke_Marlin> I am trying to implement RFID readers with it
[15:34] <Jck_True_> UART connected?
[15:34] <Luke_Marlin> Well I use the wiringPiISR methods
[15:34] <Luke_Marlin> No
[15:34] <Luke_Marlin> We use a Wiegand reader connected to GPIOs
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[15:38] <Jck_True_> Luke_Marlin: And? Whats your issue....
[15:38] <Luke_Marlin> The issue I have is that this method doesn't provide information about the sender
[15:38] <Luke_Marlin> Like the PIN id that generated the interrupt
[15:39] <Luke_Marlin> All my pins will call the same method
[15:39] <Luke_Marlin> So i'd like to know who received a bit
[15:39] <Luke_Marlin> But I guess I'm forced to make a method by Pin, right ?
[15:39] <mervaka> you need to make a handler.
[15:40] <Luke_Marlin> Can u give a bit of details please
[15:40] <mervaka> interrupt handler.
[15:40] <Luke_Marlin> I have a handler already, and I pass it in the wiringPiISR method
[15:41] <Luke_Marlin> However I set it for 2 different pins
[15:41] <mervaka> right
[15:41] <mervaka> does your handler look at what pin was set, and call the corresponding function?
[15:41] <Luke_Marlin> So When the handler is executed, i'd like to know which pin received an interrupt
[15:42] <Luke_Marlin> How could it retrieve the pin ?
[15:42] <mervaka> if not, your handler shouldn't be a handler.
[15:42] <mervaka> i don't remember much on rpi, but usually you look at what bits/flags are set
[15:42] <Sonny_Jim> wiringPiISR is pretty easy
[15:42] <Sonny_Jim> gordonDrogon:
[15:43] <Sonny_Jim> You setup a pin to be interupted when it goes high/low/edge
[15:43] <Sonny_Jim> Then every time it goes high/low/edge, it calls a function you specified
[15:44] <Sonny_Jim> So you have a function per pin
[15:44] <Luke_Marlin> Yeah that's what I thought :(
[15:44] <mervaka> why :(? that's good practice
[15:44] <Sonny_Jim> You can write your own handler though
[15:44] <Sonny_Jim> void itr_pin (int pin);
[15:44] <Sonny_Jim> and just have
[15:45] <Sonny_Jim> itr_pin (1); itr_pin(2); etc in the interrupts you've just setup
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[15:45] <Sonny_Jim> But tbh, it's much quicker doing it per pin without an extra handler
[15:46] <Luke_Marlin> Thanks
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[16:21] <Luke_Marlin> Well I ended up modifying the wiringPi library (the wirinigPiISR method) so it takes an int
[16:22] <Luke_Marlin> And I automatically pass the pin within the lib
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[17:53] <Killswitch> Hi guys, I just bought a Raspberry Pi system from Adafruit, plugged everything in, and all I get is a red light, nothing on the screen or anything. Red light. This is the first time I ever used a Raspberry Pi so I have no idea what the heck is going on
[17:53] <shiftplusone> Killswitch, that means it can't load the firmware off the sd card.
[17:54] <shiftplusone> which could be due to 100 different reasons
[17:54] <Killswitch> Great so they sent me a defective system. :S
[17:54] <Phosie> No
[17:54] <Celerity> or not
[17:54] <shiftplusone> not necessarily, no.
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[17:54] <Celerity> maybe the SD card has not been made properly
[17:54] <Celerity> maybe the sdcard slot is faulty
[17:54] <Killswitch> Well they sent the sd card with rasp bmc pre-installed
[17:54] <Celerity> you really can't say much with that
[17:54] <Celerity> oooooh
[17:55] <Killswitch> Everything I have regarding the Raspberry pi other than the cable I use to connect to my internet was sent by them.
[17:55] <Phosie> The pi itself Is probably fine
[17:55] <shiftplusone> could be an sd problem, could be a pebcak issue, could be a power supply issue, could be a cable issue... and so on.
[17:55] <shiftplusone> who is 'them' ?
[17:55] <Phosie> Reflash the SD card
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[17:55] <Killswitch> Well I know it's not a pebcak issue, I'm not new to computers, but I am new to raspberry pi
[17:56] <Killswitch> shiftplusone: adafruit.com
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[17:56] <shiftplusone> they should be somewhat trustworthy, but I would recommend a noobs install and checking your tp1 to tp2 voltage.
[17:57] <Killswitch> tp1 tp2?
[17:57] <Celerity> do you have your own SD card just in case?
[17:57] <shiftplusone> test points (labeled on the board)
[17:58] <Killswitch> I have an extra SD card laying around somewhere yes
[17:58] <Killswitch> I plug the pi one into my MacBook Pro and all the files are there.
[17:58] <Celerity> you plug the card you mean?
[17:59] <Killswitch> Yes
[17:59] <Celerity> ok
[18:00] <Celerity> do you have *another* sd card?
[18:00] <Killswitch> Yes
[18:00] <Phosie> [16:58] (Killswitch) I have an extra SD card laying around somewhere yes
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[18:00] <Celerity> you should probably try that one, we never know if there's something weird.
[18:00] <Killswitch> Try it what?
[18:01] <Celerity> make another bootable sd card
[18:01] <Celerity> if that also does not work, then it's probably the board.
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[18:02] <Killswitch> I never made a bootable sd card, I don't even know where to begin, all I know is they sent me http://www.adafruit.com/products/1562
[18:02] <Phosie> raspberrypi.org/downloads
[18:02] <Celerity> yes, Killswitch. Seeing that you have one SD card of your own, you should make your own bootable SD card and check.
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[18:03] <Killswitch> Ok so downloading noobs
[18:04] <Celerity> if you want to go full retard, you could connect points from this SD card to the pi (assuming the contacts on the board is exposed enough)
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[18:05] <Killswitch> Umm, no thanks, I didn't pay $150 to break the thing. I just want it to work.
[18:05] <IT_Sean> $150?
[18:05] <shiftplusone> jesus
[18:05] <IT_Sean> wait... what?!
[18:05] * Davespice blinks
[18:05] <Celerity> well, I did say it was full retard
[18:05] <IT_Sean> It's a raspi?
[18:05] <IT_Sean> raspis are about $35
[18:06] <Celerity> 40 with shipping and everything
[18:06] <IT_Sean> Killswitch, did you really pay $150 for a raspi? If so, you got RIPPED OFF.
[18:06] <Celerity> the card would be 10 bucks on a worst day
[18:06] <Celerity> or maybe 15 depending on size
[18:06] <Davespice> is it one of those kits with loads of extra bits and bobs?
[18:07] <Killswitch> IT_Sean: I paid $150 shipping and handling and everything for the whole thing that I'm supposed to just be able to plug in and work.
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[18:07] <Killswitch> Obviously I didn't pay $150 for just the raspberry pi, it's a pack of everything required to get started.
[18:08] <Celerity> okay so if you're not in the US, like me, Killswitch I totally understand for the shops that rip you.
[18:08] <Killswitch> I am in the US.
[18:08] <Celerity> farnel here charges 25 dinars just for the RPi
[18:08] <Celerity> 25*2.65 =~ 62.5 usd
[18:08] <Davespice> pre loaded SD cards are a bad idea imho, they often have out of date software on them, its usually an issue with your Pi hardware/bard being newer than the software on the SD card you get, and this it doesn't have the firmware to use the new ram that they only recently started using in the manufacuring process
[18:09] <Davespice> but reloading the sd card from the downloads section of raspberrypi.org will solve that
[18:09] <Killswitch> Okay so I have to reformat this sd card, what format do I do it in?
[18:09] <shiftplusone> Killswitch, read the quickstart guide
[18:09] <Killswitch> Format your SD card using the SD Card Association’s formatting tool.
[18:09] <Killswitch> Great, now that's unhelpful.
[18:09] <Davespice> if you're going to use noobs, then fat32, but I tend to just use a raw image with Win32DiskImager or dd if I'm on Ubuntu/Linux
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[18:10] <Killswitch> I'm on a MacBook Pro.
[18:10] <Davespice> in which case it just byte writes the data for you and you don't even need to format
[18:10] <Killswitch> I'm using the disk utility
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[18:10] <Davespice> Killswitch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwdswCnv3rw
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[18:11] <Killswitch> Davespice: or you can just say "use FAT"
[18:11] <Davespice> that shows you how to do it using a raw image
[18:11] <Killswitch> Easier than googling for videos.
[18:11] <Davespice> you can use fat if you're going down the noobs route yes
[18:11] <Killswitch> See, easy. :)
[18:12] <Phosie> Ever wonder why you bother helping some people?
[18:12] <Celerity> +1
[18:12] <Davespice> I tend to not bother with noobs though, which means you don't actually need to format
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[18:13] <Davespice> just so you know, the Pi is not an appliance computer, so unless you possess the knowledge required to do something on it, you'll probably struggle, what I mean by this is that if you're expecting everything to "just work" then you might be in for a rough ride
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[18:14] <Killswitch> Phosie: it's easier to answer someone if they say "What should I format the disk to? Fat, ExFat, etc" and just tell them then spend 2 minutes googling for a 3 minute video and then tell them to watch it. Straight to the point, the person is already frustrated about their problem, don't make it worse by being vague.
[18:14] <Davespice> I want it to "just work" is a phrase I often hear from apple fans, just saying <shrug> :)
[18:15] <Killswitch> Davespice: I bought the pack from a "trustworthy source" being told by that website before I bought it, that everything is setup and it is tested and should work when arrives. Using the "apple fans all expect things to work" as a cop out because I use a MacBook Pro is the most simple minded thing anyone can say. I'm a software engineer and have been a Windows user for 12 years, Linux user for 3 and Mac user for 2. Automatically judging my
[18:15] <Killswitch> competence because I am clueless on using a Raspberry Pi for the first time, is ignorant.
[18:16] <Killswitch> Thanks for the unhelp guys. I'll figure it out on my own.
[18:16] <Davespice> alright, calm down, I'm not having ago
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[18:16] <shiftplusone> finally
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[18:17] <Phosie> Surely a software engineer would know how to make an SD card
[18:17] <Celerity> guys guys
[18:18] <Celerity> lets focus on the problem.
[18:18] <Celerity> nvm he's gone. I can't read
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[19:01] <Davespice> just gonna try something with the bot a sec
[19:01] <Davespice> !quote rules
[19:01] <sourcebot> Please be sure familiarize yourself with the channel conduct policy. http://tiny.cc/h7za1w
[19:01] <Davespice> cool! it works
[19:02] <Davespice> although it didn't come out red...
[19:02] <shiftplusone> red?
[19:02] <Davespice> yeah, if you pm the bot and type use the allquotes command
[19:03] <shiftplusone> ah
[19:03] <shiftplusone> btw, this might be more handy than just !rules
[19:03] <shiftplusone> !give Davespice rules
[19:03] <sourcebot> Davespice: Please be sure familiarize yourself with the channel conduct policy. http://tiny.cc/h7za1w
[19:03] <Davespice> hehe
[19:03] <Davespice> okay yeah sure
[19:04] <ShorTie> oh boy, new toy
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[19:05] <shiftplusone> figured it would help with the commonly asked questions and such... still need to add the useful quotes though
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[19:07] <ShorTie> yup, like gpio pins and that switch schem be nice
[19:08] <shiftplusone> which switch schem
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[19:11] <ShorTie> http://elinux.org/File:EGHS-PullUpDownSwitchProtected.jpg
[19:12] <shiftplusone> most people would use the internal pull up/down though
[19:14] <ShorTie> this might be nice also https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/BreakoutBoards/Level-Converter-v10.pdf
[19:15] <shiftplusone> !addquote switch http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:Switch_Input
[19:15] <sourcebot> shiftplusone: Type !quote switch to shows the quote
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[19:15] <shiftplusone> !addquote schem http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspberry-Pi-R2.0-Schematics-Issue2.2_027.pdf
[19:15] <sourcebot> shiftplusone: Type !quote schem to shows the quote
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[19:16] <Kane> poy o/
[19:16] <shiftplusone> poy? O_o
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[19:31] <NewMC> !quote schem
[19:31] <sourcebot> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspberry-Pi-R2.0-Schematics-Issue2.2_027.pdf
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[19:35] <Duality> how can i run ndiswrapper on raspbian ?
[19:35] <shiftplusone> highly doubt it
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[19:35] <Duality> shiftplusone: can I or can't I
[19:36] <shiftplusone> no sir
[19:36] <shiftplusone> you cannot
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[19:36] <Duality> ok
[19:36] <Davespice> only ops :)
[19:37] <Duality> there is linux firmware for my wireless adapter I installed that but that gives me a error
[19:37] <shiftplusone> Duality, that is something we can probably help with
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[19:39] <Duality> this is the output
[19:39] <Duality> http://pastebin.com/HMYCT3in
[19:41] <Duality> so any ideas ?
[19:42] <shiftplusone> nope =(
[19:42] <shiftplusone> other than the usual "are you using a powered hub?"
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[19:42] <Duality> shiftplusone: no poweredhub
[19:43] <Duality> how much can the pi supply on the usb ?
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[19:43] <Davespice> I wonder if you can pm tot he bot to give someone rules
[19:43] <Davespice> ah, I get "Try this command in channel - This way you're not anonymous"
[19:43] <shiftplusone> about 500mA give or take 200, Duality.
[19:44] <Nefarious___> Davespice: nope :P
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[19:45] <Davespice> hehe okay :)
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[19:45] <Davespice> that might be a nice feature though, so we can rain down guilt on people without them knowing :)
[19:46] <Davespice> I suppose it would also have to assume what channel the user is in for where it decides to send the message, unless that is also specified in the give command
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[19:46] <Davespice> It's not important, I'll leave it up to you
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[19:50] <pingo> I added my usb disk /dev/sda1 to /etc/fstab and did "sudo mount -a" now I see the disk mounted but I cannot write to it as a normal user only as root, how can I fix that?
[19:50] <shiftplusone> pingo, is it ntfs?
[19:50] <pingo> fat32
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[19:53] <shiftplusone> maybe you need to be in the storage and disk groups? Maybe you need to add the uid and gid options...or the users option? Maybe you just need to change the permission of the folder you're mounting on....
[19:53] <pingo> hm
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[19:54] <pingo> If I change directory owner with chown
[19:55] <pingo> It is changed back to root when disk is mounted via "mount -a"
[19:55] <shiftplusone> does it let you write to the disk as a user though?
[19:56] <shiftplusone> if so, then try adding "uid=username,gid=users" to the options.
[19:58] <pingo> no it does not
[19:58] <pingo> I tried adding uid=pi,gid=pi
[19:58] <pingo> but still the same...
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[19:59] <pingo> should I try to format it as extfs ?
[19:59] <shiftplusone> then maybe you need to be in some group that you're not. But I don't know, I haven't had trouble with fat32 =/
[20:02] <pingo> do permissions on /mnt folder matter?
[20:02] <shiftplusone> nope
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[20:11] <karl-s> pingo, are you mounting via 'mount' or 'fstab'? what is the exact mount command you are using?
[20:11] <pingo> I edited fstab
[20:11] <pingo> and then executed "mount -a"
[20:11] <karl-s> what options for fstab do you have set?
[20:12] <pingo> /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdisk vfat defaults,noatime 0 0
[20:12] <karl-s> what about the uid=pi,gid=pi?
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[20:12] <pingo> I tried that too
[20:12] <pingo> Did not help
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[20:13] <pingo> still the folder showed up as root:root
[20:13] <karl-s> typically you add something like this for the options: rw,uid=101,gid=101,umask=0000
[20:13] <pingo> what does umask do?
[20:14] <shiftplusone> "umask is a built-in shell command which automatically sets file permissions on newly created files. For Arch Linux, the default umask for root and user is 0022. With 0022 new folders have the directory permissions of 755 and new files have permissions of 644. You can read more about umask permissions here. "
[20:14] <karl-s> in general linux it controls the default permissions set to a file/folder when it is created
[20:14] <shiftplusone> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html
[20:14] <karl-s> but since vfat doesnt have those, i think umask sets the default permissions on all the files
[20:14] <karl-s> ah here it is
[20:14] <karl-s> "In the Linux kernel, the fat, hfs, hpfs, ntfs, and udf file system drivers support a umask mount option, which controls how the disk information is mapped to permissions."
[20:15] <karl-s> from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umask
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[20:16] <pingo> "rw,uid=pi,gid=pi,umask=0000"
[20:16] <pingo> worked
[20:16] <karl-s> tada!
[20:16] <pingo> thanks
[20:16] <pingo> I need to read the fstab man i guess
[20:16] <shiftplusone> the mount man
[20:16] <pingo> alright
[20:16] <karl-s> theyre all that same i suppose
[20:17] <karl-s> glad to hear its workin
[20:17] <shiftplusone> so what was the issue? had to add the umask option?
[20:17] <karl-s> yea
[20:18] <karl-s> but it only matters only for windows file systems and fat
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[20:18] <shiftplusone> I have never had to do that O_o
[20:18] <pingo> yes probably it was the umask
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[20:18] <shiftplusone> sure it wasn't the 'rw' ?
[20:18] <pingo> not sure
[20:18] <pingo> I can try
[20:19] <pingo> sec
[20:19] <shiftplusone> nuh, I believe karl-s, I am just surprised I haven't stumbled upon that before.
[20:19] <pingo> yep it was the umask
[20:20] <karl-s> So, typically the umask sets the default permissions for all files that get mounted with an incompatible permissions schema
[20:20] <karl-s> such as ntfs and vfat (but it can depend on your fs driver)
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[20:20] <Kake_Fisk> What is the port you plug the camera module into? Never noticed it before
[20:20] <karl-s> but... there is a defaul umask value when you dont specify one
[20:20] <karl-s> i think its in /etc/profile
[20:20] <karl-s> or .bashrc
[20:21] <pingo> hmm
[20:21] <pingo> # The default umask is now handled by pam_umask.
[20:21] <pingo> # See pam_umask(8) and /etc/login.defs.
[20:21] <karl-s> depends on the distro
[20:21] <karl-s> you should see a line like: umask 022
[20:22] <karl-s> its basically an inverse of the chmod thingy i think
[20:22] <shiftplusone> pingo, grep UMASK /etc/login.defs
[20:22] <shiftplusone> (mine is 022)
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[20:23] <pingo> it is set to 022
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[20:29] <SKyd3R> hi there
[20:30] <SKyd3R> is there any PICs index for the RPi?
[20:30] <Kake_Fisk> Nobody knows which port the camera is connected to?
[20:31] <shiftplusone> Kake_Fisk, what do you mean? The physical port?
[20:31] <Kake_Fisk> yeah
[20:31] <shiftplusone> one of the ribbon ones
[20:31] <Kake_Fisk> Is it just a generic ribbon port?
[20:31] <shiftplusone> flex
[20:31] <shiftplusone> generic in what way?
[20:31] <mgottschlag> SKyd3R: PICs index?
[20:32] <SKyd3R> mgottschlag, somewhere I can check what PICs has the RPi's hardware
[20:33] <Kake_Fisk> What is it called? How can I read more about it?
[20:33] <shiftplusone> Kake_Fisk, are you thinking of attaching something other than a pi camera to it?
[20:33] <SKyd3R> like the timer irq
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[20:33] <mgottschlag> sorry, what do you mean by PIC?
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[20:33] <Kake_Fisk> shiftplusone: That was in my thought. Is it only for the camera?
[20:34] <shiftplusone> Kake_Fisk, only the camera.. it's handled by the gpu, so it's unlikely we'll be able to do anything else with it any time soon.
[20:34] <mgottschlag> (or PICs)
[20:34] <Kake_Fisk> ah
[20:34] <mgottschlag> I connect that word with the microcontroller from Microchip, or with position independent code, and both are not connected to the pi :)
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[20:34] <Kake_Fisk> So this is a rpi specific port?
[20:35] <mgottschlag> heh, one probably can use the camera port for some extra GPIOs though, right?
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[20:35] <shiftplusone> Kake_Fisk, no, there is a name for it... I forget the 3 letter abbreviation. But you can't use other devices for this port, since the firmware for the individual devices runs on the gpu.
[20:35] <mgottschlag> CSI
[20:35] <shiftplusone> that's the one
[20:36] <shiftplusone> sorry, not firmware, but the driver I suppose.
[20:37] <burmat> Hey guys. I set up my RPi to utilize the many switches around the house that were left over from an old security system. Question though, what would cause switch events to trigger when nothing is happening?
[20:37] <SKyd3R> oh, sorry I didn't explain it properly. programmable interrupt controller
[20:37] <shiftplusone> Kake_Fisk, http://www.mipi.org/specifications/camera-interface
[20:37] <Kake_Fisk> Ah, thanks
[20:37] <CDR`> Are they PIR sensors burmat ?
[20:37] <mgottschlag> SKyd3R: ah, that makes more sense
[20:37] <burmat> most of them are magnetic reed sensors
[20:38] <burmat> those are the ones I'm having difficulty with at least I should say
[20:38] <mgottschlag> well, there are two things afaik on the pi, one is the interrupt controller in the arm9 cpu, and one is broadcom specific
[20:38] <mgottschlag> and the latter is chained onto the former iirc
[20:38] <mgottschlag> but that has been long ago since I last read about it
[20:38] <mgottschlag> and I never got around to actually write code for them
[20:39] <CDR`> I'm not sure, burmat - hopefully someone will get back to you soon
[20:39] <mgottschlag> I think there is some documentation about interrupt handling in the bcm2835 peripheral documentation
[20:40] <burmat> CDR`: yeah hopefully. it's not a huge deal because I can handle the code so that it checks the state before assuming there is a change. I'm hoping it is a simple hardware issue I can work up a solution for though.
[20:40] <SKyd3R> ok, thanksa lot mgottschlag
[20:41] <mgottschlag> SKyd3R: page 109 in the doc describes it
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[20:42] <shiftplusone> burmat, do you have proper pull up/down resistors for the switches or are you using internal ones?
[20:43] <burmat> shiftplusone: I have resistors in place and capticors in place to handle the bouncetime on a physical level
[20:43] <shiftplusone> burmat, you can get switches activating because you have a floating input (if you lack a pull up resistor, for example), or it could simply be strong noise... which I am not sure how you can handle.
[20:43] <SKyd3R> terrific mgottschlag , that will do it
[20:44] <burmat> shiftplusone: Those are the only two things I could possibly think of as well. I have heard other people mention that problems occur from the noise, but like you said, I don't really know where to begin when it comes to that.
[20:44] <shiftplusone> burmat, ##electronics might be a good starting point
[20:45] <burmat> It's very strange because it is seemingly occurring at random
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[21:09] <torkelatgenet> Can anyone help me with this: http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection#Network_connection_with_the_point-to-point_protocol_.28ppp.29 My raspberry fail at step1, i launch pppd and the screen freezes.
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[21:15] <Jusii> I think thats how it supposed to do
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[21:15] <Jusii> or what do you mean by it freezes
[21:16] <Jusii> pppd takes over the serial
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[21:17] <Jusii> just proceed to step 2?
[21:18] <torkelatgenet> hit enter, line break no response no jibberish
[21:18] <torkelatgenet> tried step to
[21:18] <torkelatgenet> 2
[21:18] <torkelatgenet> "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests"
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[21:31] <torkelatgenet> Does anyone know about anyone ever achieving IP over serial connection on a Pi?
[21:31] <qjsgkem> good evening...
[21:32] <qjsgkem> should work with ppp (or, if really desperate, slip;)
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[21:32] <torkelatgenet> ppp instead of pppd? or is that the same thing?
[21:33] <qjsgkem> ppp is the protocol which pppd implements;)
[21:33] <torkelatgenet> Ok, ill try slip then.
[21:33] <qjsgkem> mhm, I would prefer PPP. steeper learning curve, but really more convenient once you get it working
[21:34] <torkelatgenet> Well, could you help me?
[21:34] <qjsgkem> after dinner, hopefully;) came home very hungry
[21:35] <torkelatgenet> Ok, i understand. Bon appetit!
[21:35] <qjsgkem> merci beaucoup!
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[21:36] <qjsgkem> pppd has a really nice man page, depending on your distro you might also have example config files to have a look at.
[21:37] <torkelatgenet> Ill look into it.
[21:37] <qjsgkem> because you will only need very few of the 144 possible parameters;)
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[21:40] <pingo> what is the simplest way to add a button or two to r.pi and make a bash command execute when pressed?
[21:41] <pingo> (using gpio's)
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> use the gpio program in wiringPi to wait for the button pushes.
[21:42] <pingo> is this a good guide http://embeddedcode.wordpress.com/2013/10/18/adding-a-shutdown-button-to-the-raspberry-pi/
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> in my opinion; no.
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[21:43] <shiftplusone> !give pingo switch
[21:43] <sourcebot> pingo: http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:Switch_Input
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> ONE line of shell: gpio mode $pin up ; gpio wfi $pin ; /sbin/halt
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> why bother with all the faff of python, or scanning /sys/class/gpio when you can do it with a single, simple command.
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> you don't even need the 'up' command if you use one of the I2C pins and connect it to 0v via the button.
[21:44] <pingo> great!
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> *slight error there - it's gpio wfi $pin falling - to wait on the falling edge.
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[21:46] <pingo> where can I find this 'gpio' utiliy ?
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> pingo, http://wiringpi.com/ and go to the download link.
[21:48] <pingo> that is very cool
[21:49] <pingo> how do you know when the pi has really shut down?
[21:49] <pingo> the pwr led is always on
[21:50] <Triffid_Hunter> pingo: screen goes blank after saying "Remounting / readonly" or something to that effect
[21:50] <johnc-> any recommendations for similar devices to the rpi with a bit more oomph?
[21:50] <shiftplusone> IIRC it flashes the green led a 2 or 3 times once when it's fully off.
[21:50] <karl-s> truthfully, ther is no real way to know
[21:50] <shiftplusone> johnc-, cubieboard, beagleboneblack, odroid and so on.
[21:50] <karl-s> when you run shutdown, all that happens is the drives unmount and all services stop
[21:51] <johnc-> shiftplusone: are those kickstarters or real things?
[21:51] <shiftplusone> johnc-, real things you can buy now.
[21:51] <karl-s> beagleboneblack is real and purchasable
[21:51] <karl-s> but what do you mean by more oomph?
[21:51] <Triffid_Hunter> johnc-: udoo?
[21:51] <karl-s> cpu? ram? gpio?
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[21:51] <gordonDrogon> the pi never really shuts down - the green OK/ACT LED will flash about 5 times, then it will go into lower power mode.
[21:51] <johnc-> karl-s: I mean capable of 1080p output similar to the pi but with a more modern/faster ARM chip, more RAM wouldn't hurt either
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[21:52] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: ^slightly lower power mode
[21:52] <qjsgkem> odroid-xu is my wish for xmas;) http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G137510300620
[21:52] <karl-s> so... by modern/faster arm are you just looking for more clock speed or is architecture really important?
[21:53] <johnc-> the architecture is important because it's low power comsumption
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> johnc-: no, it's not.
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[21:53] <SpeedEvil> johnc-: There are lower power intel chips, and higher power arm chips.
[21:53] <johnc-> yeah, I hear the newest atom chips are doing alright
[21:53] <karl-s> if you just want arm, thats fine but does it matter to you if it is arm6 vs arm7?
[21:54] <qjsgkem> that would be a higher power ARM. needs a fan, sadly. but oomphwise... nyamnyam
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> I note that even my I3 8G/3GHz haswell system now uses 15W or so DC power 'idle'.
[21:54] <karl-s> or is it just a low power board with more clock speed that your after?
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> (typing this in pidgin)
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> quassel
[21:54] <johnc-> karl-s: low power board with good video playback and a more responsive UI
[21:54] <karl-s> gotcha
[21:55] <Triffid_Hunter> qjsgkem: ooh that does look nice.. any idea what the unpopulated connector footprint is for?
[21:55] <karl-s> I think it is tough to match the PI's GPU these days wrt other boards
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[21:56] <johnc-> I love my rpis and they've done me good so far, I'm just aching for something I can get more responsiveness from
[21:56] <karl-s> have you checked out the nvidia ion?
[21:57] <karl-s> theyre x86 but very low power and can do full 1080p
[21:57] <qjsgkem> Triffid_Hunter: oh, I see what you mean... lower left corner?
[21:57] <johnc-> like an ion/atom based nettop?
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[21:57] <karl-s> i had one running vmware esxi at full tilt and it only pulled ~22w of power
[21:57] <karl-s> yea
[21:58] <karl-s> it ran fanless for a few years without issue
[21:58] <qjsgkem> very good question... 모르겠어요.
[21:58] <Triffid_Hunter> qjsgkem: yep
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[21:59] <johnc-> karl-s: got any good resources for comparing the available models? the nvidia site sucks
[21:59] <qjsgkem> if all goes well, I might buy one (plus accessories) this xmas or early next year.
[21:59] <karl-s> i like newegg :)
[22:00] <karl-s> what os are you after?
[22:00] <karl-s> I suggest windows as the GPU integration is easier there
[22:00] <qjsgkem> a friend bought one of the older models and is very happy with it and support.
[22:00] <karl-s> like the PI, 1080p on a Nvidia Ion will only work with HW acceleration on the video player
[22:00] <Triffid_Hunter> qjsgkem: openCL support is exciting
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[22:02] <johnc-> os doesn't matter
[22:02] <johnc-> my software is written in .NET so it'll run anywhere
[22:02] <karl-s> the motherboard i had was: Asus E35M1-M PRO Zacate
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[22:04] <qjsgkem> bbl, dinner!
[22:04] <johnc-> lol, search newegg for "nettop ion" and got a single result... that's out of stock and has no reviews
[22:04] <karl-s> yea, i guess it is older. not sure what the amd fusion processors are called nowadays
[22:05] <karl-s> search for zacate
[22:05] <johnc-> lots of info on coarse grass lol
[22:06] <johnc-> looks like the last time tom's hardware looked at nettops was 1.5 years ago
[22:06] <johnc-> hmm
[22:07] <johnc-> lol, and all the ones they compared are Zbox
[22:08] <karl-s> something like this isnt too bad: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119090
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[22:17] <KeyboardNotFound> Can I attach a powered usb hub to raspberry pi ?
[22:18] <rcassidy> yes.
[22:19] <johnc-> you can power a rpi from the powered usb you plugged into it!
[22:19] <shiftplusone> KeyboardNotFound, it's highly recommended even.
[22:20] <Triffid_Hunter> johnc-: heh, only if the hub violates usb spec fairly horribly (which most of them do)
[22:20] <torkelatgenet> Isn't there some backfeed to worry about?
[22:21] <rcassidy> johnc-: woaj
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[22:21] <rcassidy> i mean, woah.
[22:22] <KeyboardNotFound> Where I can buy rpi, I need site which ships to Macedonia?
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[22:24] <shiftplusone> I am going to check, but if I see that farnell or rs ship to Macedonia I am going to be grumpy >=/
[22:25] <karl-s> anyone ever connect a USB touchscreen to their PI? is it possible to get touch event in python without running X11?
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[22:30] <shiftplusone> KeyboardNotFound, Why would you ask before checking the official distributors? =S
[22:31] <Phosie> Laziness
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[22:34] <Nefarious___> shiftplusone: http://lmgtfy.com = !google ? ;)
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[22:35] <Phosie> Nefarious___, it would be good if you could give it the search string too
[22:36] <Nefarious___> Phosie: of course, it would be rather like !quote, but return a shortened URL
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[22:36] <Phosie> I see, very awesome
[22:37] * shiftplusone finds lgtfy a little rude and elitist, at least in the context of this channel.
[22:38] <Phosie> It depends on the question really
[22:38] <shiftplusone> definitely
[22:38] <Nefarious___> " For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than google it for themselves."
[22:38] <[Saint]> It can be a slightly more subtle way of saying "Awwww...ffs dude, you literally didn;t even try..."
[22:38] <Nefarious___> I see where you're coming from
[22:38] <torkelatgenet> http://lmgtfy.com/?q="string"
[22:39] <Phosie> I agree with both sides
[22:39] <Nefarious___> torjelatgenet: or use the python library :P
[22:40] <[Saint]> SHould it be an answer to every question? Hell no... SHould it be an answer to questions that really shouldn't be asked in this day and age like "where can I buy a raspi?" or "what OS runs on raspi?" et al?
[22:40] <[Saint]> ...certainly.
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[22:41] <[Saint]> It sometimes pays to show people how they can help themselves. EVen if it is in a possibly slightly offensive way.
[22:41] <Nefarious___> yep. well said.
[22:41] <Phosie> I like the #Arduino topic "this is not interactive Google"
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[22:42] <[Saint]> In 2013, if the first step (or one of the first) to acquiring sought knowledge isn't "ask Google about it", someone failed in life somewhere.
[22:42] <[Saint]> (disclaimer: very subjective opinion)
[22:42] <shiftplusone> I have seen lgtfy links give when the person asking had no way which search terms to use, cases when the results didn't even answer the question asked and when the results were completely not relevant to the questioner's experience level.
[22:43] <shiftplusone> *no way of knowing
[22:43] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: Oh, yes, certainly.
[22:43] <[Saint]> There's a time and a place for it, however.
[22:43] <[Saint]> I usually like to make sure that OP has exhausted their abilities first, though.
[22:44] <[Saint]> Like coming in and saying "I serched for foo, but I couldn;t find it"
[22:44] <[Saint]> ...at least you know they made an effort.
[22:44] <Phosie> And then it's the first result :-P
[22:44] <qjsgkem> [Saint]: well, when I joined here a few days ago, I had a glance... and knew I would ask a lot of stupid questions.
[22:44] <qjsgkem> (no channel FAQ link in /topic)
[22:44] <[Saint]> Well, yes, but the results given can vary wildly by locale and previous history.
[22:44] <qjsgkem> apart from rules
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[22:45] <[Saint]> I don't think there's any such thing as a "stupid question", but there certainly are hilariously bad ways to ask genuine questions that will almost certainly get you ignored.
[22:46] <shiftplusone> I don't think we have any REAL (F)AQs than can be answered simply.
[22:46] <[Saint]> Indeed not - far too many variables to consider.
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: 'use a decent PSU'
[22:46] <Vialas> hi everyone
[22:46] <Phosie> Hello
[22:47] <shiftplusone> Hey, Vialas!
[22:47] <Vialas> question : How can i prevent rasPI from turning off the monitor ?
[22:47] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I can think of one:
[22:47] <Vialas> how you going shiftplusone
[22:47] <[Saint]> Q - Do I need a heat sync?
[22:47] <Phosie> Erm i know it...argh
[22:47] <[Saint]> A - No. Nope. Nada. Non. Neit.
[22:47] <Nefarious___> heatsink*
[22:47] <Nefarious___> :P
[22:47] <qjsgkem> ohyeah, the PSU thing sure qualifies an FGA!
[22:47] <shiftplusone> Vialas, not bad.
[22:47] <Phosie> Hdmi_ignore_cec or something like that
[22:47] <Vialas> good work shiftplusone
[22:48] <[Saint]> Nefarious___: autocorrect got the better of me. ;)
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[22:48] <Tenkawa> greetings all
[22:48] <Nefarious___> [Saint]: yeah, yeah. :P
[22:48] <Phosie> Hello
[22:48] <qjsgkem> greetings one;)
[22:48] <shiftplusone> I suppose that's what we have the bot for, so maybe a psu and heatsink quotes need to be added.
[22:48] * Tenkawa continues to build up his freebsd pi
[22:49] <[Saint]> Nefarious___: Google seems to have a hilarious idea of what an En-NZ accent sounds like, and voice completing makes some very amusing mistakes at times.
[22:49] <Tenkawa> qjsgkem: so far so good
[22:49] <Phosie> I think they should be added
[22:49] <Tenkawa> needs some tuning however i expected that
[22:49] <[Saint]> ...though to be honest, I'm surprised it works as wel as it does, I only need very minimal correction.
[22:50] <qjsgkem> funnily enough, NetBSD/RPi solved the problem that made me use a FBSD boot stick on a peecee once a week;)
[22:50] <Nefarious___> [Saint]: Ive had some, well... rude mistakes before ;) and I just don't bother checking lol. with a British accent as well.
[22:50] <Tenkawa> qjsgkem: heheh
[22:50] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I have been thinking seriously about stealing and adapting "ubuttu" for the uses here.
[22:50] <[Saint]> That is a VERY smart helper bot.
[22:50] <shiftplusone> what should be the PSU quote?
[22:50] <sney> ubuttu hah
[22:50] <[Saint]> *ubottu
[22:51] <qjsgkem> some umass device that doesn't get enummed on NetBSD/amd64 and i386 for 5 different machines. just works on raspi. it;s magic;)
[22:51] <Phosie> Just the minimum spec and recommended ? shiftplusone
[22:51] <Phosie> Like the pi works with X but Y is recommended
[22:51] <qjsgkem> 5V/1kA...
[22:51] <karl-s> 1ka?
[22:51] <shiftplusone> Phosie, but the cheapy ones can say they are 5V 1A, but actually output 4V.
[22:51] <qjsgkem> 100 amps;)
[22:52] <qjsgkem> 1000
[22:52] <karl-s> a bit extreme isnt it :)
[22:52] <shiftplusone> and when yout ell people to check their psu, they say "it's fine, it's 1A", which really doesn't mean much.
[22:52] <qjsgkem> well, err on the safe side... but don't short that with a screwdriver...
[22:52] <[Saint]> Phosie: just listing the min spec isn;t terribly helpful at all, sadly.
[22:52] <[Saint]> Some PSUs will either outright lie, or have *so* much jitter they're unusable.
[22:52] <Phosie> It was just an idea, I'm bad at these things
[22:53] <Vialas> so any ideas on stoping the monitor from going to sleep?
[22:53] <[Saint]> And it was a good idea, its just practically impossible to word it without writing a novel.
[22:53] <qjsgkem> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting <-- 70% of that nice page reduce to "PSU!PSU!"
[22:53] <qjsgkem> and there you have the novel;)
[22:53] <shiftplusone> Vialas, is the monitor actually going to sleep or is the screen just blanking?
[22:53] <Vialas> shiftplusone no idea
[22:54] <Vialas> i move the mouse and then i can see stuff agian lol
[22:54] <shiftplusone> Vialas, are you using X or are you in terminal?
[22:54] <[Saint]> The monitor should have an obvious standby light.
[22:54] <Vialas> i looked in the monitor settings, there is no menton of power saving in there
[22:54] <qjsgkem> OK, sounds like blank...
[22:54] <Vialas> im using X
[22:54] <karl-s> is it safe to assume that a rs232 device that does not use "flow control" does not use cts or rts?
[22:54] <Vialas> using the pi as a status board
[22:54] <Vialas> but its not much good if the thing goes to black every time lol
[22:54] <shiftplusone> the xset command is what you're after
[22:54] <shiftplusone> don't remember what you need to do there exactly, but google will know
[22:55] <shiftplusone> google xset screen blanking
[22:55] <qjsgkem> go to a disreputable shop, buy a "massage device", vibrate your mouse. no more blanking.
[22:56] <sney> I think the reason mine doesn't blank must be because it doesn't have a kb/mouse connected
[22:56] <Vialas> cool, thanks shiftplusone
[22:56] <Vialas> ill give it a go
[22:56] <Vialas> why do they ship them with this feature on:P
[22:57] <sney> it's just xorg
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[22:58] <Vialas> shiftplusone, its dam confusing
[22:58] <torkelatgenet> hey qjsgkem, would you care to help me with that serial connection?
[22:58] <shiftplusone> alright xset -dpms; xset s off; xset s off -dpms
[22:59] <qjsgkem> thinking about how right now... didn't connect a keyboard to my raspi yet (just serial console) and found that the only USB keyboard I own is attached to my main peecee...
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[23:00] <qjsgkem> hope that cigarette and coffee will help.
[23:00] <Tenkawa> compile,compile,compile
[23:00] <Vialas> you put that in /etc/x11/xinit/xinitrc ?
[23:00] <torkelatgenet> would i need more than just the serial console?
[23:00] <Tenkawa> bah who needs a console anyway
[23:00] <Tenkawa> heehee
[23:00] <qjsgkem> hardwarewise, nothing. softwarewise, pppd configured and running on both ends of the cable
[23:01] <qjsgkem> Tenkawa: it's often been a great consolation to me;)
[23:01] <torkelatgenet> hardware *check*
[23:01] <Tenkawa> qjsgkem: i just config it all first then throw in the card
[23:01] <torkelatgenet> tehe
[23:01] <qjsgkem> are both ends and the cable safe from spies? (helps decide on authentication)
[23:02] <torkelatgenet> yeah, i set noauth in the config
[23:02] <torkelatgenet> because it was anggin about chap-secrets
[23:02] <torkelatgenet> naggin*
[23:02] <qjsgkem> ah, OK, even easier. yup, challenge auth is default
[23:03] <Vialas> thanks shiftplusone
[23:03] <Vialas> i just guessed, hopefuly it works....
[23:03] <Vialas> so what are you doing today shiftplusone ?
[23:03] <qjsgkem> gotta reread stuf, too. last time I set up ppp was in the 1980s, analog modem to ISP;)
[23:04] <shiftplusone> Vialas, nothing. Got me some virus which makes it painful to breath, so I am on painkillers and unable to do anything =/
[23:04] <qjsgkem> 90s. 92 I think
[23:04] * Tenkawa compiles some mud code to run on a pi
[23:04] <Tenkawa> that should be plenty powerful
[23:04] <Phosie> Get well soon
[23:04] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[23:05] <shiftplusone> Phosie, I am trying.
[23:05] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: bummer...
[23:05] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: i've had some doozies
[23:05] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: get some rest when you can
[23:05] <shiftplusone> It's not too bad. The pills they gave me are quite fun.
[23:06] <[Saint]> WHat are they?
[23:06] <orb> bbiab
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[23:07] <Vialas> shiftplusone that no good, how can we help?
[23:07] <[Saint]> Make the man some soup, ...jeeez.
[23:07] <Tenkawa> anyone around here old enough to remember the great mudding days?
[23:07] <shiftplusone> [Saint], codeine and and some other co...something.
[23:07] <shiftplusone> Vialas, heh, I appreciate the concern, but I am fine.
[23:08] <[Saint]> Co-codamol?
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[23:08] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa, I got addicted to a MUD recently, though I am definitely not old enough to be indo muds back in the day.
[23:08] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: heheh which codebase(version) is around nowadays?
[23:08] <Vialas> shiftplusone no worries. well looks like you can help ppl in here all day long :D
[23:09] <shiftplusone> [Saint], oxycodone (I was way off)
[23:09] * Tenkawa is 80's bbs era
[23:09] <[Saint]> Oh. Right.
[23:09] <qjsgkem> torkelatgenet: hope you aren't too diappointed if I delay that to tomorrow? will buy a PS/2 to USB adapter in town, kor keyboard:(
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[23:09] <[Saint]> Go sparingly on that stuff my man.
[23:09] <[Saint]> Its bad news.
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[23:09] <Tenkawa> its strong stuff
[23:09] <Tenkawa> too strong at times
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[23:10] <torkelatgenet> I hope you're not bying stuff just for me :)
[23:10] <[Saint]> Prescribed all too frequently, too.
[23:10] <shiftplusone> It makes me nauseous... couldn't abuse the stuff if I wanted to.
[23:10] <qjsgkem> oh, it will come in handy, was on my list already. bumped up a few places;)
[23:10] <[Saint]> Did they give you any antihistamines with them?
[23:10] <shiftplusone> nuh
[23:11] <[Saint]> Codeine triggers an allergy response in a LOT of people.
[23:11] <qjsgkem> today I bought a cheap SD card reader I want to slaughter for the connector...
[23:11] <qjsgkem> at 4EUR it's probably cheaper than buying as spare part;)
[23:11] <torkelatgenet> im tempted to buy a cd drive just for the connector
[23:11] <qjsgkem> get from dumpster?
[23:12] <torkelatgenet> Must be slimfir laptop shape
[23:12] <qjsgkem> oh... OK, hmm.
[23:12] <torkelatgenet> And I must find a dumpster
[23:12] <[Saint]> If you find yourself getting itchy, puffy hands, red skin, generally uncomfortable, elevated temperature - go grab yourself some OTC antihistamines.
[23:12] <qjsgkem> I used to collect stuff from dumpsters around university
[23:12] <[Saint]> Loratab et al, something similar.
[23:12] <torkelatgenet> Im trying to build a dock in my laptop for my phone
[23:13] <torkelatgenet> Its all 5v
[23:13] <[Saint]> qjsgkem: If you get in just at the end on a semester, universities can be a gold mine.
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[23:13] <torkelatgenet> Thanks for the tip [Saint]
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[23:13] <qjsgkem> oh, yes! got lots of spare parts, plus 2 19" TFTs that way.
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[23:14] <[Saint]> Too entitled financially well of students that would rather dump a PC/TV/whatever than pay to ship it back home.
[23:14] <[Saint]> There's always a stack of PCs and televisions outside the university dorms at the end of each term here.
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[23:14] <qjsgkem> ah, didn't find *that* dumpster yet, just the official computer lab ones. older stuff.
[23:14] <[Saint]> Ah, right.
[23:14] <qjsgkem> oooooooh. heh, that's an idea.
[23:15] <[Saint]> Remember to check out the student dumpsters at the end of a semester/term/whatever your locale calls it.
[23:15] <[Saint]> You won;t regret it.
[23:15] <[Saint]> Just get in early.
[23:15] * TmvC (~TmvC@ifoundwaldo.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[23:15] <[Saint]> ANd remember that your locale may deem this to be unlawful.
[23:15] <shiftplusone> Vialas, I was drooling over that kayak you have btw. Checked the price and figured it might be something worth saving up for if I am still into kayaking a year later. Just worried it will sit in the garage most of the year.
[23:15] <qjsgkem> cool... semester started Oct 15, so...
[23:15] <qjsgkem> I also buy second hand stuff from foreign students from Korea.
[23:15] <qjsgkem> for them, shipping some stuff back just isn't economical
[23:15] <torkelatgenet> Where do you live?
[23:16] <qjsgkem> Germany
[23:16] <torkelatgenet> ok
[23:16] <[Saint]> qjsgkem: check out pawn shops in two main areas: A - around universities; B - around casinos.
[23:16] <qjsgkem> and I gladly put up with Korean menu on my WiFi AP;)))
[23:16] * [Saint] is somewhat of a master of digging for second hand electronics
[23:16] <[Saint]> I cannot overstate the usefulness of pawn shops.
[23:17] <qjsgkem> thxalot for the ideas... many classical elec (1st and 2nd hand) shops closed down.
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[23:17] <[Saint]> If your locality has a casino, there will almost certainly be a pawn broker within ~500m of it. :)
[23:17] <[Saint]> A sad truth.
[23:18] <[Saint]> ...but great for us!
[23:18] <qjsgkem> well... we don't have such;) (casino)
[23:18] <[Saint]> Ah.
[23:18] <qjsgkem> oh, nice! that SD reader has a tricky presence detect
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[23:19] <qjsgkem> one of the GND pins has two contacts that will be shorted when a card is in!
[23:19] * Nefarious_`ASLEE is now known as Nefarious_`AFK
[23:19] <[Saint]> My last great pawn shop purchase was an old iPod that was hilariously cheap even before the clerical error that got it into my hands for $0.70 instead of $70
[23:19] <qjsgkem> whoaaaaaaaaa!
[23:20] <Nefarious_`AFK> no way
[23:20] <[Saint]> Cracked it open to find out it had been converted to solid state storage with a 128GB compact flash card too.
[23:20] <[Saint]> That was a great day.
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[23:20] <qjsgkem> even more whoa! fantastic!
[23:20] <[Saint]> I dabble with the Rockbox project, so I'm pretty much always looking for more DAPs.
[23:21] <qjsgkem> so I will need SPI and one extra GPIO. might as well use both SPI CE and two GPIO, for both SD and microSD. want an external barebones SD reader for the rasp.
[23:21] <[Saint]> My current baby is an iPod Video with a 250GB 40pin ZIF SSD.
[23:22] <qjsgkem> hmmm, I got a DAP I <3, but no rockbox on it, yet. but I hope to convert it from 1.8" HDD to SSD some time.
[23:22] <[Saint]> What model is it?
[23:22] <qjsgkem> Cowon/iaudio X5L
[23:23] <qjsgkem> I think it's on wikipedia;)
[23:23] <[Saint]> That's a nice target, hard to come by, with *ridiculous* battery bench runtimes under Rockbox.
[23:23] <[Saint]> And vastly increased usability.
[23:23] <qjsgkem> oh... nice.
[23:24] <[Saint]> ...I very much boubt you would regret introducing that device to Rockbox.
[23:24] <[Saint]> *doubt
[23:24] <qjsgkem> well, delaying that decision until after SSD conversion
[23:25] <qjsgkem> too may other projects anyway. and stoopid me bought the raspi, yet another timesink.
[23:25] <[Saint]> (Rockbox can also be compiled as an SDL desktop player, or as standalone codecs, or for Android/Maemo)
[23:25] <qjsgkem> e.g. got that shirt pocket SPARC...
[23:26] <Vialas> hey shiftplusone it is a nice yack, why do you think it would sit there not being used?
[23:26] <[Saint]> I use the standalone codecs on my raspis via commandline.
[23:26] <[Saint]> As there has been *extensive* work in ARM optimization.
[23:26] <torkelatgenet> Why would one want a RTC in a music player?
[23:26] <shiftplusone> Vialas, weather mostly
[23:26] <qjsgkem> oh, the former (SDL) sounds nice for another ARM device I own. it has SDL sans X.
[23:26] <Vialas> ahhh dam weather
[23:26] <Vialas> you in melb right?
[23:26] <shiftplusone> yeah
[23:27] <Vialas> hmm melb weather
[23:27] <torkelatgenet> Is it possible to get the raspberry pi's jack to work well?
[23:27] <[Saint]> torkelatgenet: various reasons, timed sleep/wake, playback statistics, knowing the time and date... :)
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[23:27] <shiftplusone> Will probably end up migrating to Brisbane one day, but not any time soon.
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[23:27] <Vialas> shiftplusone that yack would be a lot safer in the ociean
[23:28] <[Saint]> Jump the ditch and come here.
[23:28] <[Saint]> We won;t hold it against you.
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[23:28] <shiftplusone> Vialas, what do you mean?
[23:28] <Vialas> didnt you already have a yack?
[23:28] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[23:28] <shiftplusone> ah you mean the hobie will be safer than the one I have, yeah?
[23:28] <Vialas> yea
[23:28] <Vialas> thats right
[23:28] <shiftplusone> yeah 'course
[23:29] <Vialas> and then perhaps you could come up to syd in your yack and visit me :)
[23:29] <shiftplusone> one day
[23:29] <[Saint]> [11:27:18] <torkelatgenet> Is it possible to get the raspberry pi's jack to work well? <-- what do you mean by this?
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[23:29] <[Saint]> In what way is it failing to "work well" currently?
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[23:29] <qjsgkem> heh, closest I came to .au/.nz was CDs from an NZ indie band;)
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[23:30] <Vialas> lol qjsgkem
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[23:30] <Vialas> shiftplusone, i recomend you save up for it
[23:30] <qjsgkem> Tall Dwarfs, and later solo acts by Chris Knox. love it.
[23:30] <[Saint]> I don't blame you, over half the world has absolutely no idea where NEw Zealand even is when asked to lacate it on a map.
[23:30] <Vialas> shiftplusone and when you have it you make the most of it :D
[23:30] <Vialas> shiftplusone ull love the foot peddles, its great
[23:30] <torkelatgenet> Last time i used it it had alot of popping sounds
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[23:31] <shiftplusone> Vialas, I kind of like the workout from the regular paddles though. Pretty much better than any gym.
[23:32] * [Saint] used to gym, once upon a time
[23:32] <[Saint]> I'm pretty sure I still have a membership.
[23:32] <shiftplusone> heh
[23:32] * [Saint] thinks of this for a short while and laughs hysterically.
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[23:33] <qjsgkem> you will find a zillion hits for 'raspberry pi sound click' at teh google. slight HW misdesign, iirc
[23:33] <shiftplusone> qjsgkem, any of them recent?
[23:33] <[Saint]> I thought that was fixed?
[23:33] <[Saint]> (as much as it could be)
[23:33] <qjsgkem> February... ah, so this could indeed be fixed
[23:33] <[Saint]> CPU noise over analogue out is a well known issue that affects a LOT of devices.
[23:34] <shiftplusone> the word on the street it that there is high frequency noise which them young folks can hear though
[23:34] <[Saint]> It can be fixed to an extent, but its almost certainly never going to be completely "clean".
[23:34] <torkelatgenet> But, it's better?
[23:34] <qjsgkem> bbiaf
[23:35] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: That may well be true, yes. But females and males under the approximate age of 40yo should still be able to hear it fine.
[23:35] <johnc-> wasn't that an ALSA driver issue?
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[23:35] * shiftplusone shrugs
[23:35] <[Saint]> sorry "all females", and "males under the age of ~40yo"
[23:36] <[Saint]> The loss in high range frequencies only affects adult males.
[23:36] <Vialas> shiftplusone, you can still paddle with the arms if you wish, just more fun with the peddles and you go futther
[23:36] <hosler> so my 90 year old grandma can still hear high frequencies?
[23:36] <[Saint]> (and its not total loss in most cases, but rather a loss of around 6~12dB)
[23:36] <shiftplusone> Vialas, psh, like I would bother if I didn't have to.
[23:36] <[Saint]> hosler: In theory, yes.
[23:36] <johnc-> I can hear up to 17.5kHz
[23:37] * Phosie never uses the gym, too self conscious
[23:37] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: heh I used to use cpu noise over audio to "cheat" at red alert.. scroll around the map, when the game cycle frequency dropped, I was over either base or a thick forest
[23:37] <[Saint]> johnc-: wow, that's quite a bit below "normal"
[23:37] <Triffid_Hunter> drop a nuke, see if swearing occurs
[23:37] <johnc-> [Saint]: not really, 20kHz is the ceiling and most people I know can't hear as much as I can
[23:37] <Triffid_Hunter> I can hear 22khz
[23:38] <hosler> 1mhz here
[23:38] <Triffid_Hunter> tried it just the other day, was like a dentist drill :/
[23:38] <johnc-> most consumer equipment can't produce 22kHz
[23:38] <[Saint]> Assuming you're a fit and healthy adult male, you should be able to hear up to around 20kHz
[23:38] <Triffid_Hunter> johnc-: soundcards can produce a 22.05khz squarewave, but not anything resembling audio
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[23:40] <Vialas> lol shiftplusone , true dat, true
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[23:40] <Vialas> ok i gota go to work, talk later shiftplusone
[23:40] <Vialas> hope you get better mate
[23:40] <[Saint]> Realistically, though, you only need to bother with ranges from around 32Hz to 16kHz
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[23:40] <[Saint]> which is what most consumer grade EQs use.
[23:40] <[Saint]> ...even most professional grade EQs actually.
[23:41] <[Saint]> It is incredibly rare to encounter frequencies above or below that in normal daily life.
[23:41] <[Saint]> (well, no, that's a lie...its rare to encounter frequencies that low or high that you're supposed to care about)
[23:42] <qjsgkem> dog whistles... ;)
[23:42] <[Saint]> ...unless you're a dog or cat.
[23:42] <[Saint]> heh.
[23:43] <qjsgkem> a friend played me music he bought in both standard CD quality and 96kHz/24 bit. I didn't believe it before, but even my older ears really noticed a difference.
[23:44] <johnc-> 64bit sounds is the future
[23:44] <qjsgkem> better dynamics (well, 16 bit linear is *not* good, that was to be expected) but also better "spatial resolution". was quite impressive.
[23:45] <qjsgkem> and I'm certainly not the guy to buy silicone tubes and fill them with Hg, as speaker cable;>
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[23:45] <[Saint]> With reasonably high end audio equipment, that can certainly be true - but I have yet to meet anyone who can provide absolutely accurate ABX results from such a comparison.
[23:45] <johnc-> qjsgkem: and hope anybody that does that doesn't have kids
[23:46] <qjsgkem> well, I was joking, but only almost.
[23:46] <qjsgkem> some highend audio fetish magazine really uses such cables as a reference.
[23:47] <[Saint]> *cough* http://www.coconut-audio.com/ *cough*
[23:47] <[Saint]> ...enjoy it folks. Its well worth the laugh.
[23:48] <[Saint]> Anyone that used to frequent any of the major audiophile sites should remember Patrick82
[23:48] <[Saint]> He's a Nut-bag of the highest order.
[23:48] <qjsgkem> hahahahah. I remember the guy @ shop who told another costumer "these goldplated hdmi cables sound definitely better". omfglol
[23:48] * johnc- is not an audiophile
[23:48] <johnc-> but I'm into audio signal processing :P
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[23:49] <qjsgkem> I love audio, but I'm no phile;)
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[23:51] <[Saint]> That guy reminds me of an episode of The Simpson's, when Homer was tasting chilli at the chilli cook-off:
[23:51] <qjsgkem> if I should suddenly get rich by accident, it might be http://www.beis.de/
[23:51] <[Saint]> "They say he made it himself, out of a better spoon"
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[23:52] <[Saint]> This guy buys foolishly expensive cables, cuts them up, slaps some crazy pasticine looking crap on it, then sells them for a bajillion dollars.
[23:52] <[Saint]> ...and people actually buy them.
[23:53] <qjsgkem> probably for people who smoke...
[23:53] <qjsgkem> monocrystalline meth
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[23:54] <berryciderspider> how can I use my HTC desire as a monitor for my pi?
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[23:55] <[Saint]> berryciderspider: An Android VNC client and tightVNC server on the pi.
[23:55] <[Saint]> Its going to be pretty much unusably slow, though.
[23:56] <berryciderspider> what about via microusb?
[23:56] <[Saint]> What about it?
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[23:57] <berryciderspider> could I use it?
[23:57] <[Saint]> Not for this, no.
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[23:58] <[Saint]> Nothing like that exists in the basic Android functionality nor has it ever, to my knowledge/
[23:58] <berryciderspider> damn. oh well, thanks anyway
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[23:59] <[Saint]> I gave you a solution, its the only one you're going to be able to use.
[23:59] <[Saint]> It will be hilariously slow, though.
[23:59] <[Saint]> The Desire isn't exactly a terribly powerful device.
[23:59] <berryciderspider> yeah, but if it so slow there's not much point
[23:59] <berryciderspider> haha tell new about it
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[23:59] <berryciderspider> what about on an HTC one s?

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