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IRC Log for 2013-11-23

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[0:00] <hosler> clever: yeah thats what i meant. rebuild kernel
[0:00] <clever> but i'm not done fixing device tree
[0:00] <TheCommieDuck> So I presume I can't use a car TV screen? :P
[0:00] <clever> TheCommieDuck: many backup camera screens would work
[0:00] <clever> TheCommieDuck: anything that takes composite video in
[0:00] <TheCommieDuck> they seem to be AV, not composite out
[0:00] <TheCommieDuck> (which knowing my luck, are the same)
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[0:01] <clever> composite is just raw NTSC without the carrier wave to put it on a certain channel
[0:01] <SpeedEvil> Or PAL
[0:01] <clever> its usualy a yellow connector on most hardware
[0:01] <TheCommieDuck> oh, right
[0:02] <SpeedEvil> Or, indeed, SECAM
[0:02] <ShorTie> rear view monitors work great
[0:02] <clever> oh yeah, the pi can do pal also
[0:02] <SpeedEvil> And probably more.
[0:02] <TheCommieDuck> so anything saying NTSC/PAL?
[0:02] <clever> TheCommieDuck: yep
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[0:02] <TheCommieDuck> Woo.
[0:02] <TheCommieDuck> that's...not too bad.
[0:02] <clever> the resolution is fairly low, but it still works
[0:02] <qjsgkem> see you later...
[0:03] <clever> 480i
[0:03] <gimpy2938> Anyone familiar with Python's RPi.GPIO? I'm using the add_event_detect() method but it runs my function *twice* instead of once and I can't see why. http://dpaste.com/1478396/
[0:03] <shiftplusone> err, stick to 'composite', since there are other things that can be ntsc/pal which won't work.
[0:03] <qjsgkem> clever: "480i" is an insult that could get you kicked;)
[0:03] <clever> :D
[0:03] <qjsgkem> (;
[0:03] <TheCommieDuck> 480x230...ouch.
[0:03] <qjsgkem> anyway... hafta go
[0:03] <TheCommieDuck> something tells me that's not gonna work with subtitles.
[0:04] <Vialas> hmmm
[0:04] <clever> qjsgkem: i'm having to test my 1080 video decode routines on a display that isnt even 480i :P
[0:04] <Vialas> why not?
[0:04] <qjsgkem> clever: wow!
[0:04] <SpeedEvil> clever: is it seeming to work?
[0:04] <clever> TheCommieDuck: i checked omxplayer subtitle support last night, it shows them, but it aint pretty
[0:04] <TheCommieDuck> welp.
[0:04] <clever> SpeedEvil: still only works if i hard-code the header to inject in, which then locks it to a single file
[0:05] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[0:05] <SpeedEvil> :)
[0:05] <TheCommieDuck> I wanted to build a media centre that would stream to, say, my laptop or my desktop, but equally have a screen if I didn't want to cart a PC around with me
[0:05] <SpeedEvil> It's a feature! Per-file licencing.
[0:05] <TheCommieDuck> But since 95% of what I watch is subbed anime.. :p
[0:05] <qjsgkem> TheCommieDuck: learn Japanese;)
[0:05] <TheCommieDuck> qjsgkem: I wish :(
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[0:06] <clever> TheCommieDuck: exactly why i'm fixing mplayer!
[0:06] <SpeedEvil> All I know of japanese is to express how a cat would also suffice.
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[0:06] <qjsgkem> I'm learning Korean, which both easier and harder than Japanese ==> you can do it!
[0:06] <clever> i'm trying to get all styled subs working
[0:06] <TheCommieDuck> neko kawaii desu?
[0:06] <clever> yes, cats are cute
[0:07] <TheCommieDuck> that's either 'it is a cute cat' or 'it is a cat cute'. I don't know which.
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[0:07] <qjsgkem> 고양이는 귀여워요.
[0:07] <clever> qjsgkem: isnt that korean?
[0:07] <TheCommieDuck> it is.
[0:07] <qjsgkem> yup. 'cat(s) are cute' ;)
[0:08] <TheCommieDuck> korean has a lot of circles, chinese has a lot of stuff shoved into a small space, japanese is a lot more stroke-y
[0:08] <clever> from what i see of the omx api, i can implement a raw decoder, with no render abilities
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[0:08] <clever> it would return full video frames to mplayer
[0:08] <ShorTie> mine is a spoiled roten brat of a cat
[0:08] <clever> then mplayer is free to draw all over it as always, and render it thru any output (xv, x11, framebuffer)
[0:08] <qjsgkem> eh, yeah... the circles, btw, are from two consonants, ㅇ and ㅎ.
[0:09] <Vialas> so anyone use raspbery pi as a media center?
[0:09] <qjsgkem> the former is silent placeholder if it starts a syllable, or "ng" at the end, the latter is "h".
[0:09] <clever> TheCommieDuck: currently, all subtitles are left justified, and unstyled
[0:10] <TheCommieDuck> I think I'll abandon this idea.
[0:10] <TheCommieDuck> Focus on the pi-copter.
[0:11] <clever> TheCommieDuck: you can always pop the pi out and use it for a media center later on
[0:11] <clever> when the subs improve
[0:11] <sney> someday, there will be a better media player
[0:11] <TheCommieDuck> clever: I have 2 pis now
[0:11] <TheCommieDuck> I got one as a present, and our course gave us a free one
[0:11] <qjsgkem> learning Japanese (compared to Korean) has the advantage that you have to learn a few thousand sinojapanese symbols (aka Kanji)
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[0:11] <clever> sney: if i can only figure out why extradata works in omxplayer, and doesnt work in mplayer, i could fix everything
[0:11] <gimpy2938> "clever: I have 2 pis now" ... I read that wrong the first time
[0:12] <clever> qjsgkem: yeah, memorizing all those kanji must be insane
[0:12] <clever> i can see why they would need furigana
[0:12] <qjsgkem> well, having to learn them makes Japanese easier.
[0:13] <clever> ive mostly been learning things by ear
[0:13] <qjsgkem> I only had to learn ~2 dozen letters for Korean.
[0:13] <clever> ive listened to a total of nearly 3 months of content, not counting repeats
[0:13] <qjsgkem> but tanstaafl
[0:13] <Vialas> no one use pi as medi center?
[0:13] <Vialas> shiftplusone u there?
[0:13] <shiftplusone> yessir
[0:14] <Vialas> what u up to?
[0:14] <qjsgkem> Vialas: well, we talked about pulse oxymeters before
[0:14] <qjsgkem> but no full-fledged medi centers
[0:14] <shiftplusone> not too much... playing some kerbal space program >.>
[0:14] <Vialas> what is that shiftplusone ?
[0:14] <Vialas> what you mean qjsgkem
[0:14] <clever> qjsgkem: i have used my pi for media before, but just simple stuff, running omxplayer via ssh
[0:14] <clever> dont have a full blown ui yet
[0:14] <qjsgkem> ah, "media" vs "medi" ;)
[0:15] <Vialas> hmmm
[0:15] <shiftplusone> Vialas, a space game where you accidentally kill things and blow things up.
[0:16] <clever> if you want to follow my progress with the mplayer stuff more closely, i'll be pasting random things to #omx
[0:16] <Vialas> oh ok clever
[0:16] <Vialas> nice
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[0:17] <Vialas> shiftplusone sounds like a odd game :P
[0:17] <Vialas> i think im gona give raspbmc a go
[0:17] <TheCommieDuck> Vialas: You also build rockets.
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[0:18] <Vialas> i used to, why TheCommieDuck ?
[0:19] <shiftplusone> (it's what KSP is about)
[0:19] <Vialas> KSP?
[0:19] <shiftplusone> kerbal space program
[0:19] <Vialas> oh golly your speaking a whole new language shiftplusone
[0:19] <Vialas> ohhh
[0:19] <Vialas> ok
[0:19] <Vialas> ill google it
[0:20] <TheCommieDuck> heh.
[0:20] <Vialas> ohhhhh
[0:20] <Vialas> ive played that game before
[0:20] <Vialas> think it was in beta when i tried
[0:20] <Sonny_Jim> KSP is awesome
[0:20] <shiftplusone> it has come a long way, though I don't think it's out of beta yet
[0:21] <Sonny_Jim> The science stuff they added recently makes it a lot more fun
[0:21] <Sonny_Jim> ie there's a target rather than just pure sandbox
[0:21] <Vialas> oh ok
[0:21] <Vialas> what version they up to now shiftplusone ?
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[0:21] <shiftplusone> .22 came out not too long ago
[0:21] <Vialas> cool
[0:22] <Vialas> any multiplayer mode?
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[0:22] <shiftplusone> nope
[0:22] <TheCommieDuck> there's a mod in development
[0:22] <Vialas> oh doh would be fun to colaborativly make a rocket
[0:22] <Vialas> from memory i had a hard time keeping my rocket stable
[0:23] <shiftplusone> It's one of those games that you suck at until you read the wiki.
[0:23] <Vialas> ohh realy
[0:23] <shiftplusone> Then you still suck, but at least you know why.
[0:23] <Vialas> or you suck until shiftplusone helps you ?
[0:23] <Sonny_Jim> It really needs to come with a few tutorials
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[0:23] <Sonny_Jim> Also it needs to have some way of caluculating the delta-v of a rocket easily
[0:23] <Sonny_Jim> Without plugins
[0:24] <Vialas> no Delta V calcs?
[0:24] <TheCommieDuck> not without Kerbal...engineer?
[0:24] <Vialas> dang
[0:24] <Vialas> ok
[0:24] <Sonny_Jim> One of the plugins does it
[0:24] <clever> delta-v is massively important, and i'm not even a rocket scientist!
[0:24] <Vialas> you guys need to hook me up
[0:24] <Vialas> what do i need
[0:24] <shiftplusone> you can do it manually if you're into that sort of thing
[0:24] <Vialas> yea i can do manual calcs
[0:24] <clever> for example, how fast is your desk moving?
[0:24] <Vialas> providing i can get the data
[0:24] <Vialas> <--- engineer
[0:24] <Vialas> <---- me likes maths!!
[0:24] <Sonny_Jim> clever: relative to what?
[0:25] <Vialas> everything is moving
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[0:25] <clever> Sonny_Jim: exactly
[0:25] <Vialas> its all about relativity, good job shiftplusone
[0:25] <Vialas> i mean Sonny_Jim
[0:25] * Sonny_Jim s mind has blown
[0:25] <Vialas> oh gosh, i am excited to build my rocket
[0:25] <Vialas> you guys have a example of your rockets?
[0:25] <clever> Vialas: i keep running into a youtube channel full of them
[0:25] <Sonny_Jim> Scott Manley?
[0:25] <clever> yep
[0:26] <Vialas> i mean the ones you guys have made not random ppl
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[0:26] <clever> i also keep getting his ad on youtube, where he's breathing helium
[0:26] <Sonny_Jim> He does some good vids and has a calming scottish voice. I like the way he gets sidetracked with little stories from the space program as well
[0:26] <clever> no clue why he's doing that in an ad, i keep hitting skip 5 seconds in
[0:26] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[0:26] <Sonny_Jim> I might fire up KSP again
[0:26] <Sonny_Jim> I've managed to get to Duna and back
[0:26] <Sonny_Jim> Sent a probe to Eve
[0:27] <Sonny_Jim> What's next on the list?
[0:27] <shiftplusone> I am yet to go beyond the mun. I got hung of on the idea of making a plane that reliably lands on the mun and have been stuck on that.
[0:27] <shiftplusone> *up
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[0:28] <Sonny_Jim> The Mun is harder than the other moon
[0:28] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
[0:28] <Sonny_Jim> Minmus
[0:28] <Vialas> Mun?
[0:28] <Sonny_Jim> Much easier to land and lift off Minmus
[0:28] <clever> shiftplusone: does it do lagrange points?
[0:28] <Vialas> im excited to play this game
[0:28] <Vialas> do they have a pi version?
[0:28] <Sonny_Jim> clever: Sure
[0:28] <SpeedEvil> Vialas: Where are you.
[0:28] <Vialas> Australia for me :)
[0:28] <Sonny_Jim> Vialas: No, it's fairly CPU/GPU intensive
[0:28] <Vialas> ohhh man Sonny_Jim :(
[0:28] <shiftplusone> Vialas, nuh, it barely chugs along on a good pc
[0:28] <Vialas> they need to make a pi version
[0:28] <Sonny_Jim> No chance
[0:29] <SpeedEvil> Vialas: legality of homebrew rocketry depends on country, I don't know what it is in australia
[0:29] <Vialas> hmmm
[0:29] <Sonny_Jim> I can *barely* play it on a dual core 1.6GHz laptop
[0:29] <Vialas> i had some modle rockets
[0:29] <Vialas> SpeedEvil most of my rockets were blow controled airspace, so its all good
[0:29] <clever> that reminds me, i knew somebody on irc that put the model rocket fins on servos
[0:29] <clever> and added a microcontroller
[0:29] <clever> so it could self-steer
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> Vialas: Be very sure of the legality.
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[0:30] <SpeedEvil> Vialas: In some cases the penalties for getting it wrong can be really severe.
[0:30] <Sonny_Jim> SpeedEvil: You aren't allowed fireworks in most of Oz, so I'm betting model rockets aren't allowed either
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> Sonny_Jim: It's all in the details.
[0:30] <Vialas> Sonny_Jim that is incorect, you can get modle rockets, i is fine
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> Sonny_Jim: For example, I can't legally fly a balloon 2.5m in diameter without CAA approval.
[0:31] <Vialas> altho i used to do it in the ACT when firewroks were legal, so maybey thats different nowadays
[0:31] <Vialas> pm @ shiftplusone
[0:31] <SpeedEvil> Sonny_Jim: (in the UK). However, I can harness up a couple of 20kg R/C planes, and have them drag me into the sky on a parachute just fine with no requirement for any notification.
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[0:32] <Vialas> hahah nice one Sonny_Jim
[0:32] <Vialas> SpeedEvil*
[0:32] <SpeedEvil> - based on a close reading of the rules.
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[0:34] <clever> SpeedEvil: how legal would it be to add servo control of the fins on a model rocket?
[0:34] <Vialas> hmmm
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> That's under other legislation I did not look at
[0:35] <clever> then again, where things like the V2 completely dumb and just traveled in a line?
[0:35] <clever> i just had an insane idea, it would never work
[0:36] <clever> opencv on a model rocket, steering thru a house, at speed
[0:36] <clever> avoiding walls, going thru doors
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[0:36] <clever> fire it thru a window, weave thru the house, hit a target in the eye :P
[0:37] <Vialas> thats mean clever :P
[0:37] <clever> it could do worse, it could blow up afterwards!
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[0:39] <[Saint]> The amount of precision needed to do so would be immense, and you certainly couldn;t do so with only a single source of thrust.
[0:40] <[Saint]> At the very least you'd want some form of dynamic thrust vectoring, or dedicated guidance assist jets.
[0:40] <clever> what if the entire rocket was on a servo mount?
[0:40] <[Saint]> It would be wildly inaccurate.
[0:40] <clever> hmmm, *crazy extension*
[0:41] <clever> add facial recognition to it
[0:41] <[Saint]> You certainly couldn;t navigate withing a domecile.
[0:41] <[Saint]> *within
[0:41] <clever> identify the target in a crowded room, fly right into his face, deliver the payload
[0:41] <[Saint]> "guided rockets" make very, very minor adjustments to their path at high speed.
[0:41] <clever> and with the speed of a rocket, it would be hard to dodge that kind of thing
[0:41] <[Saint]> Its simply not possible to do otherwise.
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[0:42] <Vialas> where did shiftplusone go?
[0:42] <Vialas> ran away
[0:42] <[Saint]> You face the problem that even if you have a degree of control over the thrust direction, you have the inertia of the rocket itself to contend with.
[0:43] <clever> yeah
[0:43] <clever> would have to make wide corners
[0:43] <[Saint]> Suddenly, rapidly changing direction is pretty much out of the question.
[0:44] <[Saint]> If you wanna kill someone by snaking in through their house/whatever and chasing them around...quadrocopter ftw.
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[0:44] <clever> too slow, they could defend the guy with a baseball bat or a tenis racket :P
[0:45] <[Saint]> If you're close enough to take it down, its close enough to kill you.
[0:45] <clever> body guards with tenis rackets
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[0:45] <[Saint]> Hahahaha
[0:45] <clever> at the doors
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[0:45] <[Saint]> Just put up some of those blue light bug zapping things. ;)
[0:45] <clever> and tape a picture of the target over the grill
[0:45] <clever> fool the targeting sensors
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[0:51] <Vialas> im downloading kerbal :D
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[0:51] <Vialas> --> #kerbal
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[0:52] * [Saint] assumes that is going to run absolutely terribly on a raspi
[0:53] <[Saint]> ...if it even loads at all.
[0:53] <clever> SpeedEvil: one step closer to fixing it
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> :)
[0:55] <shiftplusone> Vialas, sorry, had to disappear for a few minutes.
[0:55] <Vialas> np shiftplusone
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[0:56] <clever> SpeedEvil: and nothin!
[0:57] <clever> its not even responding to ctrl+c
[0:57] <clever> killed the whole system again
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[1:09] <TheCommieDuck> Another question: is the rpi camera board any good? Or would it be better to get a 3rd party one?
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[1:13] <SpeedEvil> There are no third party ones.
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> The Pi foundation has the interface locked down.
[1:13] <clever> enless you count usb cams
[1:13] <TheCommieDuck> Huh. That seems a little odd.
[1:13] <shiftplusone> there are third party usb ones
[1:13] <TheCommieDuck> Ohhh.
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> And yes - USB of course, or IP-cams
[1:13] <TheCommieDuck> I guess a better question is: is it worth shelling out the extra for the official one?
[1:14] <shiftplusone> If I needed a camera, I would go for the official one.
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> The official one can do things other USB cameras can't.
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> Because it's got direct access to the GPU to encode h.264
[1:15] <TheCommieDuck> yup, that's decided it for me.
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> The stock camera can do 1080p h264.
[1:15] <TheCommieDuck> is it cpu intensive, relatively?
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> The Pi nateively is unlikely to do 1080p mjpeg
[1:15] <pksato> have webcam with h264 hw encoding.
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> pksato: yes - there is that too.
[1:16] <TheCommieDuck> The official cam seems much smaller and more lightweight
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> pksato: but then you run into the annoying issue that the pi can't really do anything but download it
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> pksato: it can't deal with it
[1:16] <clever> TheCommieDuck: yeah, all the grunt work is done on the gpu, rather then in the cam itself
[1:16] <TheCommieDuck> ooooh.
[1:17] <clever> the official cam gives raw video, and the gpu encodes it to h264
[1:17] <clever> so the cam is much simpler then a webcam
[1:17] <TheCommieDuck> might buy one now to fiddle with :P
[1:17] <pksato> $100 for 1080p webcam.
[1:17] <TheCommieDuck> ew D:
[1:18] <clever> but the pi cam is arround 25?
[1:18] <clever> plus 25 for the pi itself
[1:18] <clever> so about 50-60 for a working camera
[1:19] <Ben64> the pi camera seems really cool
[1:19] <pksato> I want a noir version.
[1:19] <Ben64> especially without the ir filter :)
[1:19] <SpeedEvil> It's rather annoying there is no way to use other CSI cams.
[1:19] <TheCommieDuck> clever: I'm not including the pi cost. it was free ;)
[1:20] <Ben64> is there a display yet?
[1:20] <clever> when you do include it, it comes out to be fairly close to the webcam pksato mentioned
[1:20] <Ben64> for the dsi connector
[1:20] <clever> Ben64: not yet
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[1:21] <TheCommieDuck> yeah, I guess
[1:22] <TheCommieDuck> probably just the '$100 for a peripheral' that shocks you.
[1:22] <TheCommieDuck> (yes, I'm aware that's not expensive)
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[1:23] <clever> yeah
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[1:26] <SpeedEvil> There are lots better cameras out there than the Pi one, and it'd be interesting to try them on CSI
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[1:26] <SpeedEvil> Plus things like multiple cameras
[1:26] <SpeedEvil> (not at the same time)
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[1:31] <clever> SpeedEvil: ok, now would be a good time to see how omxplayer feeds the video data in, lol
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[1:31] <SpeedEvil> :)
[1:31] <clever> whatever i'm doing, it obviously aint working
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[1:36] <TheCommieDuck> the pi one seems like it'd be good if it's gpu
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[1:37] <[Saint]> Can we try that again, but this time with more sense making? :)
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[1:40] <clever> SpeedEvil: i dont see any signs that omxplayer is adding 0x00 0x00 0x01, hmmmm
[1:40] <clever> what happens if i remove them...
[1:40] <clever> nothin
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[2:23] <utechtl__> can the model b ever be booted from a 2GB sd card?
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[2:24] <clever> yes
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[2:25] <utechtl__> how would i go about that? i'm planning on using arch linux
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[2:31] <clever> utechtl__: the same way you would setup any other sd card
[2:31] <clever> just make sure your root filesystem is under 2gig in size
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[2:32] <utechtl__> i set it up like normal but my pi's activity light is blinking once
[2:32] <clever> is the 1st partition a fat32 with bootcode.bin and friends?
[2:32] <utechtl__> 1 sec, i'm reflashing the sd card
[2:33] <utechtl__> i'd assume so, 1, 1.8 GB parition
[2:33] <clever> start by running blkid /dev/sdb*
[2:33] <clever> to see what partition type each partition is
[2:35] <utechtl__> I'm on windows, and the diskpart lists the sd card as 1 partition
[2:35] <clever> can you open the partition in windows?
[2:36] <utechtl__> yeah
[2:36] <clever> and it just has kernel.img bootcode.bin start.elf and some others?
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[2:38] <utechtl__> nope apparently lili doesn't like img files
[2:39] <clever> sounds like you didnt flash the image properly
[2:39] <utechtl__> that would be correct, lili just dumped the img file onto the sd card
[2:39] <[Saint]> Yeah, that won;t work.
[2:39] <utechtl__> yeah i assumed that
[2:42] <utechtl__> i'll try the win32imager
[2:43] <[Saint]> That's the tool all official docs, and pretty much every unofficial doc, points to - yes.
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[2:48] <utechtl__> though when i used it and checked the partitions, it shown a 89 MB fat 32 partition an extended partition and a logical partition
[2:48] <utechtl__> the activity light blinks once, pulses for a bit and blinks once again (same as before)
[2:49] <utechtl__> the trouble shooting page says thats because its a 2 GB sd card
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[2:57] <utechtl__> (test)
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[3:06] <utechtl__> i borrowed a 4 GB and it isn't booting either
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[3:06] <clever> sounds like your just not flashing the image properly
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[3:07] <utechtl__> i used the 32 disk imager
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[3:17] <[Saint]> <sarcasm> Try imaging one disk for now and try the other 31 later...</sarcasm> ;)
[3:18] <utechtl__> hmm
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[3:29] <utechtl__> ok so i figured it out
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[3:37] <orb> ok, bbl
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[6:25] <IT_Sean> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOc6FFw_O3o&feature=youtu.be
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[7:10] <dheeraj> hii all
[7:10] <dheeraj> I have a laptop's lcd can i use it with Rpi..??
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[7:15] <dheeraj> I need to intract my rpi with external lcd.
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[7:32] <Jusii> you need some converter board for that
[7:32] <Jusii> hdmi -> lvds or something like that
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[7:34] <Jusii> you can find them from lots of places, ebay. something like in this kit http://www.adafruit.com/products/1287
[7:35] <Jusii> that lcd is actually the same that's used in several laptops and asus tablets
[7:35] <ParkerR> I have been wanting to make an extra screen for my laptop...
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[9:46] <kritzikratzi> hi!
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[9:46] <kritzikratzi> my πs ethernet is sad, it stopped working this morning
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[9:47] <kritzikratzi> i do have a mos-fet plugged into the gpio header, but i put a 100ohm resistor before the source so even in the worst case i'm pretty sure i stayed below the 33mA limit even in the worst cases (usually it should be practically 0mA)
[9:48] <kritzikratzi> now, when i plug the ethernet cable into the π i get not even a flickr of the status lights,
[9:49] <ShorTie> 100 ohm is awfull small
[9:49] <kritzikratzi> π boots up normally and shows the "smsc95xx" in the log
[9:49] <kritzikratzi> ShorTie: but for a mos fet it should be fine, no?
[9:49] <ShorTie> 10k most likely be better
[9:49] <kritzikratzi> usually there's no current flowing from gate to source anyways
[9:50] <kritzikratzi> oh, sorry, i wrote 100ohm before source, i meant 100 ohm before gate
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[9:51] <ShorTie> have you seen this ?? https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/BreakoutBoards/Level-Converter-v10.pdf
[9:52] <ShorTie> is that like how you got you mosfet hooked up ??
[9:53] <ShorTie> the higher the resistance causes less current
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[9:56] <kritzikratzi> ShorTie: i'm confused by that picture. what's the load?
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[9:57] <ShorTie> load would be on the tx_hv
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[10:03] <kritzikratzi> ShorTie: ok, i have no clue what this is supposed to do
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[10:04] <kritzikratzi> i see four separate circuits that are somehow connect with a cable
[10:04] <kritzikratzi> but i'm not sure what the point is
[10:05] <kritzikratzi> ShorTie: http://imgur.com/VGAVMRy
[10:05] <ShorTie> the bss138 is the mosfet, that is all you really need to look at
[10:05] <kritzikratzi> yea, i'm using a buz11
[10:05] <kritzikratzi> but they're all quite similar
[10:06] <kritzikratzi> i tried to redraw the image, but even if i understood, i'm not sure what the purpose of the upper 10k resistor would be
[10:06] <ShorTie> that schem even uses 10k resisters
[10:06] <kritzikratzi> ShorTie: i just drew that. it's my interpretation of what you sent me
[10:06] <kritzikratzi> i had pretty much the same, but a 100ohm instead of 10k at the gpio
[10:07] <kritzikratzi> guess i fried it :/
[10:08] <kritzikratzi> doesn't make much sense to me though. i had it running just fine for a quite a while yest. unplugged everything, and this morning ethernet was dead.
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[10:08] <ShorTie> ya, see by ohm's law, I=E/R
[10:09] <ShorTie> so with E being the gpio's 3.3v
[10:09] <ShorTie> and your 100 ohm resister
[10:10] <ShorTie> gives you .033 amps which is to much for the gpio pin to handle
[10:10] <kritzikratzi> right, but its a mosfet,
[10:11] <kritzikratzi> so if that 0.033 amps flow, it's only for a tiny tiny tiny fraction of a second
[10:11] <ShorTie> so what happens if you disconect the mosfet, does the rPi boot then ??
[10:11] <kritzikratzi> so tiny it would be hard to measure
[10:11] <kritzikratzi> ^ it's disconnected now
[10:11] <kritzikratzi> boots normally,
[10:11] <kritzikratzi> just the network lights don't blink
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[10:11] <kritzikratzi> the network chip gets hot, just like it does normally
[10:12] <kritzikratzi> and it shows up in the kernel log at boot time
[10:12] <kritzikratzi> unfortunately i can't even try anything on the π at this point, no usb keyboard here
[10:12] <kritzikratzi> (if even usb still works :) )
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[10:12] <kritzikratzi> fortunately i do have a few backup πs nearby,
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[10:12] <ShorTie> don't understand how it would be 'for a tiny tiny tiny fraction of a second'
[10:12] <kritzikratzi> i just wanna make sure i don't kill one after the other
[10:12] <kritzikratzi> well,
[10:13] <kritzikratzi> a mosfet doesn't drain current during operation
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[10:13] <kritzikratzi> it has almost infinite input resistance once its switched
[10:13] <kritzikratzi> and it switched really quickly
[10:13] <kritzikratzi> that's what makes it so different from a npn transistor
[10:13] <ShorTie> it takes a stead current to fire the mosfet
[10:13] <kritzikratzi> not that i'm aware of
[10:13] <kritzikratzi> let me check that
[10:14] <ShorTie> it is only fired when there is current, there is no latching circuit that would hold it on
[10:15] <noc0de> what is the application?
[10:15] <kritzikratzi> i'm switching a motor,
[10:16] <kritzikratzi> well, not switching,
[10:16] <kritzikratzi> pwm
[10:16] <kritzikratzi> so far i only tested with an led and it actually worked until i let it sit all night switched off (which is why i'm so confused)
[10:16] <kritzikratzi> ShorTie: wikipedia says this about gate current: "A big advantage of MOSFETs for digital switching is that the oxide layer between the gate and the channel prevents DC current from flowing through the gate, further reducing power consumption and giving a very large input impedance. "
[10:17] <kritzikratzi> ShorTie: maybe you mean a thyristor? they need a holding latching if i remember correctly
[10:18] <ShorTie> can you draw up what/how you have it hooked up ??
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[10:20] <noc0de> kritzikratzi: what about using a triac?
[10:21] <noc0de> then you could do speed control too.
[10:21] <kritzikratzi> http://imgur.com/u1ZvedA
[10:23] <kritzikratzi> noc0de: with a mos-fet i can easily (or so i though) pwm control the signal
[10:25] <kritzikratzi> in the end i get pulses from and encoder that report the speed back to me
[10:25] <kritzikratzi> (not yet though)
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[10:26] <ShorTie> don't know what the 100k resister is for, the 100 ohm is to low and i don't think that is how you hook the load up either
[10:27] <kritzikratzi> ShorTie: it's a pull down, when the π starts the output dangle
[10:27] <kritzikratzi> and i don't want the mosfet to randomly switch if you touch it
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[10:30] <noc0de> how much current were you sending to the gate?
[10:31] <kritzikratzi> noc0de: not much, roughly 50mA
[10:31] <ShorTie> sending ??, the gate is gonna draw at the 100 ohm of resistance is it not ??
[10:32] <ShorTie> the rPi gpio can handle about 15ma
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[10:33] <kritzikratzi> ShorTie: sorry, i misread, the load was ~50mA,
[10:33] <kritzikratzi> the gate ... still doesn't consume current besides the intial pulse
[10:35] <Triffid_Hunter> kritzikratzi: is the mosfet's load inductive, like a relay coil, solenoid, motor, etc?
[10:35] <ShorTie> the gate consumes current when ever the gpio pin is high
[10:35] <Triffid_Hunter> ShorTie: um no it doesn't
[10:35] <noc0de> "Driving an inductive load has the opposite effect from driving a capacitive load. For example, a capacitor without an electrical charge is a short circuit, resulting in a high "inrush" of current and when we remove the voltage from an inductive load we have a large reverse voltage build up as the magnetic field collapses, resulting in an induced back-emf in the windings of the inductor."
[10:36] <noc0de> http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/transistor/tran_7.html
[10:37] <noc0de> I think you want the load (if it's a motor) to be hooked up in parallel
[10:37] <ShorTie> is that not what fires the mosfet ??
[10:37] <kritzikratzi> ShorTie: no. it's not a normal transistor
[10:37] <Triffid_Hunter> ShorTie: no. mosfets are voltage triggered
[10:37] <Triffid_Hunter> ShorTie: the gate vaguely resembles a ~2nF capacitor
[10:37] <Triffid_Hunter> kritzikratzi: lol yes it is, fet was the first transistor ever made :P
[10:38] <Triffid_Hunter> and the 'T' in fet stands for transistor
[10:38] <kritzikratzi> Triffid_Hunter: lol... true. but if you say "i need a transistor" in an electronics you'll get a bc541 or smthg, not a mosfet
[10:38] <ShorTie> ok, but when you apply the gpio voltage does it not draw a current ??
[10:38] <Triffid_Hunter> kritzikratzi: not if you ask me, I'll give you an IRLB8743 or similar :P
[10:38] <kritzikratzi> :)
[10:38] <ShorTie> at the 100 ohm rate
[10:39] <Triffid_Hunter> ShorTie: only while the gate capacitance charges up
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[10:39] <kritzikratzi> Triffid_Hunter: is that enough to damage the pi?
[10:39] <kritzikratzi> (with the 100 ohm resistor)
[10:40] <Triffid_Hunter> kritzikratzi: I doubt it. more likely you've hooked an inductive load and not clamped the turn-off pulse
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[10:41] <Triffid_Hunter> kritzikratzi: http://i.stack.imgur.com/p6WtJ.png <-- the diode is extremely important. without that, the mosfet (and anything attached to it) can be fried when the relay turns off
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[10:41] <kritzikratzi> Triffid_Hunter: the diode is there,
[10:41] <pingo> Is there a way to tell if a sd card has any corruption?
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[10:42] <kritzikratzi> but i hadn't even plugged a motor in yesterday
[10:42] <kritzikratzi> really not sure what i did
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[10:50] <odin_> what options exist to have a Type-A talk (at relatively high bandwidth) to a Type-B but leaving its ethernet free ?
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[10:52] <odin_> I am thinking the GPIO ribbon would be a good options (which also leaves USB free)
[10:54] <odin_> is it possible to use a few GPIO pins for high speed networking ? and daisy chain 3 or more units ?
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[11:07] <Nefarious___> Is there any sort of test one could use to determine how many users a raspberry pi webserver could sustain at once?
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[11:08] <Triffid_Hunter> Nefarious___: it's more about requests.. the rpi is too slow for anything but mucking around, it's hopelessly underpowered in multiple ways for a proper server
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[11:09] <Triffid_Hunter> Nefarious___: so it depends on whether you're serving static files or chrunching a ton of PHP
[11:09] <ShorTie> i would think it depends on the content being served
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[11:09] <Nefarious___> It would be a python app
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[11:10] <Nefarious___> I know im terribly vague. Which us why i asked if there was a test or something
[11:10] <Nefarious___> Is*
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[11:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Nefarious___: it'll start off slowish, and rapidly bog down if you step the request rate up
[11:12] <Nefarious___> I guess ill have to go the proper way and rent a vps or something
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[11:13] <Triffid_Hunter> Nefarious___: any 2-5 year old desktop pc will handily outstrip the rpi for webserver performance
[11:13] <Nefarious___> Triffid_Hunter: yeah i might use an old laptop
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[11:22] <Nefarious___> But low power is obviously much preferred
[11:23] <Triffid_Hunter> laptops are generally pretty low, esp with the backlight off
[11:24] <Nefarious___> But apparent they burn out quickly when running 24/7
[11:25] <ShorTie> how about a mini atx board
[11:25] <ShadowJK> my laptop has been on 2 years, still going strong, and battery lasts 8 hours still.
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[11:25] <Nefarious___> ShadowJK: not 24/7 right?
[11:25] <ShorTie> on a web server is not memory more important then the processor so much
[11:26] <ShadowJK> a 10 year old desktop has more compute power than rpi
[11:26] <ShadowJK> nefarious: 24/7 half of the year
[11:26] <Nefarious___> ShorTie: you mean memory us more important?
[11:27] <Nefarious___> ShadowJK: ah cool. What were you runnung on it?
[11:27] <Nefarious___> Running*
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[11:27] <ShorTie> that is what i'm asking
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[11:27] <pksato> Nefarious___: how many connections are expected?
[11:27] <ShorTie> like 12gig of memory would mean more then a 8 core processor
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[11:29] <Nefarious___> pksato: obviously not very many at first. But the site i hope to replace has ~2000 on constantly (obviously the RPI couldn't handle a tenth of that
[11:29] <Nefarious___> But i doubt it'll get that popular
[11:29] <ShadowJK> nefarious: oh it just burns cpu to provide extra heat during cold months
[11:29] <Nefarious___> What? XD
[11:29] <ShadowJK> distributed.net, folding@home, whatever
[11:30] <pksato> install you web app on rpi, and run some benchmark tools.
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[11:30] <Nefarious___> My original question was if there were any benchmark tools. Lol
[11:31] <pksato> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_server_benchmarking
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[11:31] <Emi> Hi
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[11:37] <Triffid_Hunter> Nefarious___: both of mine have been running 24/7 for the past few years
[11:37] <Triffid_Hunter> Nefarious___: had to take one down for a bit to clean the dust out recently.. that's abou tit
[11:38] <Nefarious___> Triffid_Hunter: out of curiosity, with the lid open it closed? And with the battery in or out?
[11:38] <Triffid_Hunter> Nefarious___: not sure of benchmarks but I can guarantee you that the rpi will be fairly poor
[11:38] <Triffid_Hunter> Nefarious___: lid half open, battery in
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[11:38] <Nefarious___> And the batteries have survived?
[11:38] <Triffid_Hunter> Nefarious___: yeah they're fine
[11:39] <Nefarious___> Wow. I guess laptops burning out is just a myth then
[11:42] <ShorTie> laptop burn out because they have not much air to breath
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[11:42] <Nefarious___> Or they get to hot
[11:42] <ShorTie> like putting them on your lap blocking the vents
[11:42] <Triffid_Hunter> Nefarious___: I'm sure they do, but mine haven't
[11:42] <Triffid_Hunter> both of mine have riser trays to aid with ventilation
[11:43] <Nefarious___> Any fans underneath or nearby?
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[11:45] <kritzikratzi> Triffid_Hunter: ShorTie: noc0de: thanks for your help earlier
[11:45] <kritzikratzi> problem solved
[11:45] <Triffid_Hunter> kritzikratzi: what was the problem?
[11:45] <kritzikratzi> well,
[11:45] <kritzikratzi> vmware
[11:45] <ShorTie> i've been curious if you could just re-flow a laptop to fix it, like an xbox
[11:46] <kritzikratzi> turns out it stole the usb network adapter from my macbook
[11:46] <kritzikratzi> windows in vmware had no clue what to do with the usb network adapter,
[11:46] <ShorTie> i can't really see the chips going bad, but the solder turning to cold joints i can
[11:46] <kritzikratzi> thus the pi thought it wasn't connected
[11:46] <kritzikratzi> ok ok, i go cry and laugh in a corner now while singing to the unicorn gods that my π is still fine
[11:46] <Emi> Hey
[11:47] <Emi> This channel is active
[11:47] <Nefarious___> Hello
[11:47] <Nefarious___> It is
[11:47] <ShadowJK> my samsung laptop has a "battery saver" mode, where it only charges to max 80 percent. Makes them wear out lslower
[11:47] <Triffid_Hunter> ShadowJK: I'd use that if mine had it
[11:47] <Nefarious___> Is there a mode where it doesnt charge?
[11:48] <Triffid_Hunter> ShadowJK: 50-70% is storage charge for lipo, they last a long time there
[11:48] <ShorTie> pull it out, lol.
[11:48] <Nefarious___> Just runs off mains till the switch is flicked
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[12:03] <saedelaere> how tolerant is the pi regarding power supply voltage? my voltage regulator from pololu has a 5% accuracy. I just hocked up some batteries and measured 5.17v at Vout. Is this OK or should I have a look at something else?
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[12:04] <Nefarious___> It's fine
[12:04] <Nefarious___> As long as the current is within reason
[12:05] <ShorTie> rPi needs like > 4.7 volts i believe
[12:05] <Nefarious___> !allquotes
[12:06] <ShorTie> and like Nefarious___ said, it needs to be able to supply enough current to keep the voltage up
[12:06] <ShorTie> !allquotes
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[12:07] <ShorTie> Nefarious___, any way to get rid of that Prefix: ??
[12:07] <Nefarious___> shiftplusone: PSU's seem to be recurring in terms of a question.
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[12:07] <Nefarious___> ShirTie: which prefix?
[12:07] <Nefarious___> ShorTie*
[12:08] <ShorTie> in allquotes
[12:08] <Nefarious___> That could've gone horribly wrong. Then there would be no way to refer to it
[12:10] <Tenkawa> uggh its gotten cold outside
[12:11] <Emi> I want raspeberry pie
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[12:20] <ShorTie> !give ShorTie bot
[12:20] <sourcebot> ShorTie: try !help for help with my commands
[12:21] <ShorTie> !help
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[12:23] <ShorTie> !commands
[12:26] <Emi> What name should I register? piano_slut, organ_slut, harpsichord, cakewhore, slut_tits, or hippoclit?
[12:27] <ShorTie> 2, 4, 5 & 6 don't really fit channel rulez, imho
[12:27] <ShorTie> and 1
[12:27] <saedelaere> ok thanks guys. time to build a setup here on batteries. I am excited to get my pi outside... :)
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[12:37] <ShorTie> !allquotes
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[13:17] <KeyboardNotFound> can I add swap to my raspberry pi model A ?
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[13:23] <KeyboardNotFound> How I can view if my raspberry pi is model a or model b ?
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[13:24] <ShorTie> does it have mounting holes in it ??
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[13:25] <ThiefMaster> B has 2 usb ports
[13:26] <ShorTie> and eithernet
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[13:48] <Kane> bonjour
[13:49] <Emi> hi
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[14:22] <teatime07> I've got a problem with my setup: RasPi + mpd + node.js(serving temp info). If mpd is *not* playing, all is OK, but as soon as mpd starts playing music, the RasPi crashes after a few seconds. Can't find anything in the logs. Any suggestions what can be the problem?
[14:24] <gimpy2938> teatime07: Crashes as in just hard reboots?
[14:25] <teatime07> gimpy2938: Doesn't reboot.
[14:25] <teatime07> gimpy2938: Disconnects from my ssh session and I get "Host is down".
[14:27] <teatime07> I should also say that mpd works fine when node.js is not running.
[14:27] <gimpy2938> teatime07: What says "host is down"? What does the console of the Pi show? (I'm not a Pi expert, just a Linux sysadmin used to dealing with problems)
[14:28] <teatime07> Well, I can't see the console output since I only connect to it via ssh. I get "Host is down" when trying to ping.
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[14:33] <gimpy2938> teatime07: You'll need to hook a monitor up and see what is happening.
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[14:36] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[14:36] <Sonny_Jim> I have a sqlite database full of messages that I want to be able to search and show on a webpage
[14:36] <Sonny_Jim> Is PHP the 'best' language to do this?
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[14:37] <Nefarious___> Python
[14:38] <Nefarious___> Definitely python
[14:38] <Sonny_Jim> Urrgh
[14:38] <Nefarious___> PHP is a mess
[14:38] <Sonny_Jim> Not a fan of python
[14:38] <Sonny_Jim> And I'm trying to learn skills that are useful in the field of work
[14:39] <Nefarious___> Python+Flask are very useful. Eg. YouTube was written in python...
[14:39] <Nefarious___> Honestly its the best way to go.
[14:39] <Nefarious___> I was going to use php for my project but u was persuaded. And I'm so glad I was
[14:39] <Nefarious___> I*
[14:40] <chris_99> Flask is pretty nifty
[14:40] <Sonny_Jim> So my understanding of LAMP is this:
[14:40] <Sonny_Jim> Linux provides the OS, Apache serves up the pages, MySQL contains data for those pages and P is?
[14:40] <chris_99> PHP
[14:40] <Sonny_Jim> Right
[14:41] <chris_99> and?
[14:41] <Sonny_Jim> PHP generates the pages for Apache using the data from MySQL?
[14:41] <Nefarious___> Plus flask has awesome support for SQL. With SQLalchemy
[14:41] <Nefarious___> Python works great with apacge as well
[14:41] <Nefarious___> Apache*
[14:41] <chris_99> why do you have to use apache though, nginx/lighttpd are just as good
[14:41] <Nefarious___> If you've already decided, don't ask ;)
[14:41] <chris_99> and lighterweight
[14:42] <Sonny_Jim> Well, the prequisites are that it has to be something useful to learn for the future
[14:42] <Nefarious___> Python...
[14:42] <Nefarious___> PHP is awful to learn and read
[14:42] <Sonny_Jim> Why?
[14:43] <Sonny_Jim> Ah
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[14:43] <Sonny_Jim> PHP is more like C, that's good for me
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[14:43] <Nefarious_> i can type better like this now
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[14:44] <Nefarious_> http://zachis.it/blog/why-choose-python-over-php/
[14:44] <Sonny_Jim> I'm just reading this here:
[14:44] <Sonny_Jim> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonVsPhp
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[14:44] <Nefarious_> this is gold; http://onstartups.com/tabid/3339/bid/20493/Why-PHP-Is-Fun-and-Easy-But-Python-Is-Marriage-Material.aspx
[14:44] <Sonny_Jim> Little bit one sided though
[14:44] <Sonny_Jim> I prefer the link I'm reading, as it lists what both are good at, what PHP is good at and what Python is good at
[14:45] <Nefarious_> and which one has more goods?:P
[14:45] <Nefarious_> Sonny_Jim: here's an example... sourcebot was written in Flask+Python
[14:46] <Nefarious_> talking about databases...
[14:46] <Nefarious_> there are a lot
[14:47] <Sonny_Jim> This is the big selling point for me:
[14:47] <Sonny_Jim> "PHP is easier to get started with. Second, support for PHP is more common with shared-hosting companies than support for the various Python options. "
[14:47] <Sonny_Jim> And that's from the Python wiki
[14:47] <Nefarious_> but PHP is a royal pain. i'll link you to some long code
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[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> Why is it a royal pain?
[14:48] <Nefarious_> plus, PHP has a lot of issues with security
[14:48] <Nefarious_> one mo.
[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> Do you know C?
[14:48] <Nefarious_> c++ yes
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[14:49] <Nefarious_> http://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/8444/ive-been-told-this-code-is-messy-but-i-dont-see-it
[14:49] <Nefarious_> just look at that...
[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> Just trying to get to the root of your hate for PHP
[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> You can make messy code in any language
[14:49] <Nefarious_> not in python :P
[14:49] <Nefarious_> or any interpreted language
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[14:50] <Nefarious_> not as messy
[14:50] <Nefarious_> i dont hate PHP. it's just i can't see why anyone would use it over python having used both myself
[14:51] <Nefarious_> i also found python a lot easier to learn. a lot easier
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[14:52] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, I don't see many job applications that require knowledge of Python, unfortunately
[14:53] <Nefarious_> Sonny_Jim: https://www.udemy.com/blog/modern-language-wars/
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[14:53] <Nefarious_> PHP is best as job material i agree
[14:54] <Nefarious_> but coding wise... it's not :)
[14:54] <Nefarious_> https://www.udemy.com/blog/modern-language-wars/?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150635439276669_26651850_10151608541576669#f47175cac
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[15:00] <robertj> IMO if your not doing django don't do python
[15:00] <robertj> IMO twistd really had its thunder stolen by node
[15:01] <Nefarious_> who mentioned twisted?
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[15:01] <Nefarious_> Sonny_Jim: if you don't want to listen, that's fine by me. i'm just giving you my opinion
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[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> It's just you seem incredibly biased towards python, yet you can't tell me why it's better without pasteing links
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[15:06] <Sonny_Jim> AFAICS performance wise they are both about the same
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[15:06] <gimpy2938> Anyone familiar with Python's RPi.GPIO? I'm using the add_event_detect() method but it runs my function *twice* instead of once and I can't see why. http://dpaste.com/1478396/
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[15:07] <robertj> Sonny_Jim, the performance profile is going to depend drastically baswed on the setup of python
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[15:08] <Sonny_Jim> Which function runs twice?
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[15:08] <Sonny_Jim> play_video/kill_current_video?
[15:08] <Sonny_Jim> s/video/player
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[15:10] <IT_Sean> Morning
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[15:11] <Nefarious_> good afternoon :P
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[15:11] <IT_Sean> Pretty sure it's morning, Nef.
[15:11] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:11] <IT_Sean> It had better be morning, as i just got up!
[15:11] <Nefarious_> 14:11 in England ;)
[15:11] <IT_Sean> Oooh... you are a rightpondian. I see.
[15:12] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: Both kill_current_player(channel) and find_and_pick_video() - depending on which button is pressed
[15:12] <gimpy2938> gimpy2938: Sorry, I meant play_video(channel) not find_and_pick_video()
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[15:13] <Sonny_Jim> How are the buttons wired?
[15:14] <asdfoa> hi, I just bought an RPI and a microusb charger. however, the charger says 5.6V in it, and rpi supposedly uses 5V. Can I still use it, or will it destroy my rpi?
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[15:14] <Sonny_Jim> And do you mean it runs both kill_current_player and play_video or play_video/kill_current_player twice?
[15:14] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: One side is ground, the other is a normal PIN...hence the pull_up_down=GPIO.PUD_UP
[15:15] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I saw that bit
[15:15] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: If I press the button which runs play_video(channel), play_video(channel) is ran twice....if I press the button that runs kill_current_player(channel), that runs twice
[15:15] <Sonny_Jim> Right
[15:15] <Sonny_Jim> For a moment I thought it could be that each button push was grounding both pins
[15:16] <robertj> asdfoa, its out of spec but i think you will be fine
[15:16] <asdfoa> ok
[15:16] <asdfoa> i was foolishly under the impression that all microusb chargers would be interchangeable
[15:16] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: Nope, separate grounds
[15:17] <robertj> btw, is there a sane way to radiate extra voltage as heat to drop it down to spec? I was thinking about trying to do a home security system with pis
[15:18] <robertj> and injecting them over ethernet but the run length is going to vary a bit
[15:18] <Sonny_Jim> robertj: That's what I thought a voltage regulator was for
[15:18] <IT_Sean> asdfoa: 5.6v is way too much for a raspi!
[15:19] <IT_Sean> asdfoa: The pi is rated for 4.75v to 5.25v
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[15:19] <asdfoa> ok, better not use this charger then, thanks
[15:19] * IT_Sean nods
[15:19] <robertj> i'd chance it IMO
[15:19] <robertj> the charger cost is a relatively large cost of the pi :P
[15:19] <asdfoa> this charger cost 9€
[15:20] <IT_Sean> robertj, that charger would very likely damage or destroy a raspi if it really is outputting 5.6v
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[15:20] <Sonny_Jim> What ampage though
[15:21] <robertj> IT_Sean, what part is gonna go kablooey?
[15:21] <IT_Sean> robertj, my first guess would be the voltage regulator
[15:21] <asdfoa> it sais output DC 5.6V 700mA
[15:21] <asdfoa> *says
[15:22] <IT_Sean> asdfoa, get a different charger. you want 5v, and at least 1A. The reaspi spec says 750mA, but, really, 1A or more is better.
[15:22] <asdfoa> checkarooney
[15:23] <IT_Sean> 700mA might run the Pi, but you'll have issues w/ USB
[15:23] <robertj> if your gonna have USB devices at all, yeah, 700mAis likely cuttingit short
[15:23] <Sonny_Jim> Call me Mr Dangerous, but I reckon you'll be fine with a 5.6V 700mA PSU
[15:23] <IT_Sean> 1A or more recommended
[15:23] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: No other guess then?
[15:23] <asdfoa> the alternative the store had for sale is 5V and can output 2.1 amps
[15:23] <IT_Sean> asdfoa, get that one
[15:23] <asdfoa> ok
[15:23] <Sonny_Jim> gimpy2938: Looks fine to me, I thought you might have it set to EDGE_BOTH rather than falling/rising
[15:23] <Sonny_Jim> And you've got the debounce, so I'm "huh" at this point
[15:24] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: Dang, if I strip out everything and just have a function saying "button pressed" I don't seem to have the same problem....but that makes no sense.
[15:24] <Sonny_Jim> It's not falling through anywhere?
[15:25] * IT_Sean fell asleep coding python and woke up with a raspi powered clock.
[15:25] * IT_Sean wonders how that happened
[15:25] <asdfoa> you could attack a wrist strap
[15:26] <asdfoa> there might be market for a portable clock
[15:26] <Sonny_Jim> gimpy2938: As in maybe def play_video is registering the handlers twice?
[15:26] <asdfoa> *attach
[15:26] <Sonny_Jim> I don't know enough python to be sure
[15:26] <gimpy2938> Sonny_Jim: Don't see how it could.
[15:27] <IT_Sean> asdfoa, i don't think so
[15:27] <robertj> man, props to the guy who actually did a POE-spec-compliant bridge but the price makes it rather impracticle for most uses :P
[15:27] <robertj> http://www.xtronix.co.uk/raspberry-pi-poe.htm
[15:29] <chris_99> eek
[15:29] <chris_99> expensive
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[15:30] <robertj> still really cool
[15:30] <IT_Sean> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvWimid65Fk&feature=youtu.be
[15:30] <Sonny_Jim> £55 isn't madly expensive
[15:31] <robertj> its not but your definately getting to the 'i could buy a pre-made camera for this money' territory :P
[15:31] <Sonny_Jim> Considering it's low volume, niche market etc
[15:31] <robertj> yeah i'm not criticizing im at all
[15:31] <Sonny_Jim> I wouldn't buy one at that price, so you are right
[15:32] <robertj> i've got an application in my head right now where it would be extremely useful
[15:32] <Sonny_Jim> How much is a POE IC anyway?
[15:32] <robertj> Sonny_Jim, dunno, enough they considered and scrapped it from the pi initially but not so much tha they ruled it out for a second rev
[15:32] <Sonny_Jim> $3 a piece
[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TPS2375DR/296-26922-1-ND/2255222
[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> Just make your own
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[15:34] <robertj> yeah but i'd probably be OK with just injecting it at 5.5v
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[15:42] <asdfoa> IT_Sean: isn't that voltage regulator in the charger cable tho
[15:42] <IT_Sean> asdfoa, no.
[15:42] <IT_Sean> the raspi has a vr that drops the 5v down to 3.3v for the SoC
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[15:43] <asdfoa> alright
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[15:47] <sqrrl> my rapberry pi started responding only to ping, ssh/znc/other service all died. ah and my irc bot (which doesn't read/write to disk) was alive, too, until i told him to reshtart, which reads from disk, then he died too. any way to know what's happened? raspbian here
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[15:47] <Sonny_Jim> logs
[15:49] <Sonny_Jim> robertj: http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/newprodpages/prodinfo.php?prodcode=4D-RPI-POE-IS-C
[15:49] <Sonny_Jim> £14, but doesn't conform to spec
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[15:50] <robertj> yeah, was thinkinga bout donig my own brekaout
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[15:56] <robertj> Sonny_Jim, lots and lots of "POE" gear isn't and just relies on basically hijacking some wires to run power over
[15:57] <robertj> i just ripped out 3 WAPs that were 18v with a matching injector and then replaced withem with POE gear and a 48v passive injector whichwasn on-spe
[15:57] <robertj> spec
[15:58] <robertj> http://www.amazon.com/WS-POE-8-48v60w-passive-Ethernet-Injector-cameras/dp/B0086SQDMM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1385218676&sr=1-1&keywords=WS-POE-8-48v60w
[15:58] <robertj> 8 injected ports at ~ $5.50 a port
[16:00] <robertj> and when i do my house i'm gonna grab 3 of em because I dont hae high hopes of finding a fanless 24 port POE switch
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[16:28] <gordonDrogon> PoE is specced. at 15 watts per port - so that would be 15 * 24 = 360 watts of PSU needed plus overhead. its probably not going to be fanless )-:
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> passive PoE is fine for shortish distances - just don't plug a Pi into an ethernet cable supplying 18v of passive PoE ...
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> I got away with it... on my very first Pi...
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> the ethernet jack was too hot to touch though - I suspect the internal terminating resistors/magnetics got a bit too hot sinking 18v on the unused pins...
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[16:39] <sqrrl> Sonny_Jim: that's syslog, 12:33 is about the time everything failed http://bpaste.net/show/qFmRHibgxlvVADq6nA5s/
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[16:40] <sqrrl> i don't think it tells me much
[16:40] <sqrrl> can i name rpi write more logs?
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[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> sqrrl: That's a very short syslog
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> Last entry I see is:
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> "389 Nov 23 12:17:24 raspberrypi kernel: [ 0.000000] Normal zone: 0 pages reserved"
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[16:53] <KeyboardNotFound> How to remove the GUI from raspberian to free memory ?
[16:53] <Sonny_Jim> Disk space or RAM?
[16:54] <sqrrl> Sonny_Jim: that my restarting it
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[16:54] <sqrrl> between 12:33, when it failed, to 12:17 (~16:20), no entries in syslog
[16:55] <Sonny_Jim> Well, do you have the log from when it failed?
[16:56] <KeyboardNotFound> Sonny_Jim, disk space
[16:56] <Sonny_Jim> KeyboardNotFound: You might be better off with a smaller distro rather than stripping down Raspbian
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[16:56] <shiftplusone> If you want to free memory, just don't run things that use up a lot of memory
[16:57] <Sonny_Jim> 15:56 < KeyboardNotFound> Sonny_Jim, disk space
[16:57] <shiftplusone> oh, so I am supposed to READ stuff now? =P (sorry)
[16:57] <shiftplusone> KeyboardNotFound, https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[16:59] <KeyboardNotFound> How I can change GPU Memory ?
[16:59] <KeyboardNotFound> I don't need GPU Memory i need only RAM
[16:59] <Sonny_Jim> So wait
[16:59] <Sonny_Jim> You want RAM now?
[17:00] <shiftplusone> KeyboardNotFound, raspi-config
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[17:05] <KeyboardNotFound> Sonny_Jim, yes I want ram and more disck space, but for disk space will buy new SD card
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[17:15] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
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[17:16] <Sonny_Jim> Streaming with LAME
[17:17] <Sonny_Jim> I want to stream piped audio with LAME
[17:17] <Sonny_Jim> But I don't really want to fart around with *cast
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[17:21] <KeyboardNotFound> Which is default password for pi user on raspberian ?
[17:21] <FungiFox> toor? admin? blank? i unno.
[17:21] <Jusii> pi
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[17:21] <glycol> keyboardnotfound: raspberry
[17:22] <Sonny_Jim> pi/raspberry
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[17:26] <KeyboardNotFound> glycol, thanks
[17:27] <Emi> hey
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[17:29] <sqrrl> Sonny_Jim: i don't know, that's why i'm here
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[17:31] <sqrrl> and if there are no logs from that time, how can i make some more logs?
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[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> sqrrl: There is no older logs in /var/log/syslog.1.gz etc
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> *are
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> Erm, let me rephrase that
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> Older logs should be found in /var/log/syslog.X.gz
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[17:38] <pwillard> Wimpy supply is the biggest issue... IE; your "random" Phone charger will have voltage droop (below 4.5V) if you plug it into the rpi.
[17:38] <sqrrl> Sonny_Jim: there are, but there's nothing interesting in them, just cron and oidentd
[17:38] <pwillard> I had one that would not boot. then realized I grabbed the wrong power supply
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> Have you checked all of them, messages as well?
[17:39] <Emi> anyone here into debauchery?
[17:40] <sqrrl> Sonny_Jim: well, not all, i guess logs from days are go are irrelevant, aren't they
[17:40] <sqrrl> but i checked all that's been changed today
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[17:40] <sqrrl> all from /var/log that is
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[17:43] <sqrrl> some files from /var/log such as lastlog are filled with garbage, is this ok
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[18:04] <tpw_rules> anybody done low-level sd card stuff?
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[18:06] <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by tht.
[18:06] <tpw_rules> as in writing one's own kernel and twiddling the eMMC registers
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> no
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> Also - it's a SD, not eMMC
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> Tehre is no eMMC on the Pi
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[18:07] <tpw_rules> well it's called the eMMC controller by broadcom
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[18:22] <TheCommieDuck> odd question: If I find an old laptop screen, would I be able to hack that to work with the pi somehow?
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[18:24] <SpeedEvil> TheCommieDuck: In general practically not.
[18:24] <Jusii> with adapter board might be (easily) possible
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> TheCommieDuck: there are various ways to in principle do it, but they end up pretty annoying and requiring knowledge.
[18:24] <TheCommieDuck> Aw, okay.
[18:24] <shiftplusone> If you can find an hdmi controller for that exact screen you might be able to.
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> HDMI-LVDS adaptor board in principle may allow you to do it.
[18:24] <Jusii> but ofcourse depends of the display
[18:24] <TheCommieDuck> seems annoyingly hard to find a screen of any form at a reasonable price.
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> At best you will need to do lots of research on backlight and exact wiring, and make up a custom connector.
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> Low res ones are easy
[18:25] <Jusii> what's a reasonable price
[18:25] <TheCommieDuck> <=£20
[18:25] <TheCommieDuck> <=7"
[18:25] <Jusii> ok
[18:26] <TheCommieDuck> the reverse car mirror ones seem fine, but it seems like they won't connect nicely.
[18:26] <SpeedEvil> Not happening.
[18:26] <SpeedEvil> TheCommieDuck: they connect trivially
[18:26] <SpeedEvil> To the composite out port
[18:26] <TheCommieDuck> oh right, the pi has composite out. >.<
[18:27] <TheCommieDuck> I thought it was hdmi only, and hdmi->composite is expensive for the converter alone.
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[18:41] <Zerknilzer> has anybody experiences with arkOS on the pi?
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[18:54] <torkelatgenet> When I tried it it was in beta, some time ago.
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[19:03] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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[19:04] <ryanteck> hello
[19:04] <Nefarious_`PC> hi
[19:05] <tobiasBora> I'd like to disable rsyslogd to avoid that my SD card become broken because of too many writings.
[19:05] <tobiasBora> Is there a way to disable it without uninstall it ?
[19:06] <Jusii> maybe update-rc.d <Servicename> disable
[19:06] <Jusii> don't have my RPIs here can't check
[19:07] <Sonny_jim> I'm pretty sure writes are cached by the OS
[19:07] <glycol> tobiasbora: update-rc.d rsyslog disable
[19:07] <glycol> im rebooting my pi to see if it got disabled
[19:07] <tobiasBora> Thank you !
[19:07] <tobiasBora> I've this warning :
[19:08] <tobiasBora> insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `rsyslog' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).
[19:08] <tobiasBora> Is it normal ?
[19:08] <glycol> me too
[19:08] <Sonny_jim> tobiasBora: You probably want to read this
[19:08] <Sonny_jim> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/84902/pimp-rsyslogd-to-have-less-i-o-cron-pam-and-less-logging
[19:08] <Sonny_jim> TL;DR, it won't wear out the card
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[19:09] <Jusii> yeah, I've had 4 RPis doing constant writing on sdcards since october 1. they're still running just fine
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[19:09] <Jusii> and I mean constant, as much they can possibly write
[19:10] <ryanteck> but if it does cause more writes, then turning it off can help avoid corruption if you turn it off via unplug a lot?
[19:10] <glycol> and i can't connect through ssh anymore lol, brb
[19:10] <Jusii> 15TB on a 8GB card at the moment
[19:10] <Sonny_jim> ryanteck: Not if those writes are cached by the OS
[19:10] <Emi> hi
[19:10] <Sonny_jim> ie It'll wait until another write or the cache is full before writing to disk
[19:11] <Sonny_jim> So really, you gain nothing
[19:11] <Sonny_jim> and you lose the ability to debug properly
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[19:12] <Sonny_jim> 96% of SD cards getting corrupted are due to either poor contacts on the slot or a poor PSU
[19:12] <tobiasBora> Sonny_jim: Thank you it's very interessting !
[19:13] <Jusii> and 4% of those that get corrupted are kingstons
[19:13] <Jusii> ;)
[19:14] <tobiasBora> I ask the question because my SD card has been broken a few days ago and I don't think I was brute with it...
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[19:28] <Jusii> just corrupted of completely dead?
[19:28] <Jusii> or
[19:29] <Jusii> Not sure if later RPi firmwares has fixed anything, but i had couple kingston cards that went dead in a week
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[19:34] <oh2lre> As Skype is not available for Rpi, what similar client that you would recommend for calling another computer and receiving a call? I would like to have autoanswer feature there too.
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[19:37] <tobiasBora> Jusii: Just corrupted
[19:37] <tobiasBora> It's a SanDisk
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[19:37] <TheCommieDuck> Other question: Would streaming from raspbmc to a laptop or similar be more efficient than ssh/remote-ing into it?
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> TheCommieDuck, ssh uses encryption which is cpu intensive.
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> so streaming without using ssh is probably going to be better.
[19:39] <TheCommieDuck> gordonDrogon: Ah, I found the HTTP stuff. That'd probably be easiest :P
[19:39] <TheCommieDuck> I wonder whether using XMBC or just using it as a samba server would be a better option at this point though
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> I've no experience of xbmc...
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[19:49] <yair> has anyone used a headless pi with openvpn
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> I use openvpn on other debian Linux systems. There iwll be no difference on a Pi.
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[20:47] <intr0x80> Anybody have any resources (documentation/links) for cross compiling for raspbian on Ubuntu?
[20:48] <shiftplusone> in general, it's about having the right toolchain and passing the right arguments to configure
[20:48] <shiftplusone> what do you want to cross-compile?
[20:49] <intr0x80> A medium size software project that I've developed on x86 over the years
[20:49] <shiftplusone> a lot of dependencies?
[20:49] <intr0x80> Mostly C++ and python
[20:49] <intr0x80> a few, nothing insurmountable
[20:49] <shiftplusone> using autotools (./configure && make) or your own makefiles or what?
[20:49] <intr0x80> My own makefiles
[20:50] <Emi> pwn pwn pwn
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[20:50] <intr0x80> Emi..?
[20:51] <Emi> yeah?
[20:51] <shiftplusone> then change the -L and -I prameters so that you're linking against ARM libraries and use a gcc toolchain for cross-compiling to arm (there is one available in the raspberrypi github repo, or you can roll your own with crosstools-ng)
[20:51] <intr0x80> Am I about to get pwned? :)
[20:51] <intr0x80> shiftplusone: I think the first message got lost?
[20:51] <shiftplusone> nuh, it didn't
[20:52] <intr0x80> ok. :)
[20:52] <intr0x80> So I should pull the cross complier from the raspberry pi github repo? That sounds good.
[20:53] <Tenkawa> i was able to build an arm/rpi crosscompiler on my slackware 64 box
[20:53] <Tenkawa> use it to crosscompile to slackware arm
[20:53] <intr0x80> Tenkawa: based on what? crosstools-ng ?
[20:53] <Jusii> there's also cross-compiler in ubuntus repos
[20:53] <shiftplusone> building your own isn't too difficult, you can use existing tools to do it for you or follow CLFS documentation to compile one yourself.
[20:53] <Jusii> in universe
[20:53] <shiftplusone> ah +1 Jusii
[20:54] <Tenkawa> intr0x80: i think i built my own... been too long to remember
[20:54] <intr0x80> Jusii: Do you know which ubuntu package works for raspbian/raspberry pi?
[20:54] <shiftplusone> intr0x80, apt-cache search gcc arm
[20:54] <shiftplusone> there should be a gnueabihf one
[20:54] <intr0x80> shiftplusone: eeeeeexcellent
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[20:54] <shiftplusone> should look like arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc or something similar
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[20:56] <intr0x80> letsss see if this works.
[20:56] <eject_ck> Hi all
[20:56] <intr0x80> I think I probably just chose the wrong one before
[20:56] <intr0x80> thx, everybody
[20:56] <shiftplusone> good luck
[20:56] <nerdboy> raspbian hardfloat shoudl definitely have a hardfloat gcc
[20:57] <shiftplusone> make sure your dependency libs are arm as well
[20:57] <nerdboy> apt-get install build-essential will get you everything you need
[20:57] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, cross-compiling
[20:57] <nerdboy> ah, then you could use the poky toolchain build i have posted
[20:57] <nerdboy> depending on the sysroot..
[20:57] <intr0x80> shiftplusone: yep, that parts easy. Once I get main(int argc, char*[]) { return 0; } running, Im good to go. :)
[20:57] <shiftplusone> there's a toolchain in the ubuntu repo that works fine
[20:58] <nerdboy> no debian one?
[20:58] <shiftplusone> eh? it's the linaro one... might be the same thing as in the debian repo.
[20:59] <shiftplusone> but it's called ubuntu/linaro, so I am guessing debian would have something else maybe.
[20:59] <nerdboy> you can make a debian sysroot pretty easily, but debootstrap won't install all the dev stuff in phase 1
[20:59] <shiftplusone> or just pull it off the sd card
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[20:59] <nerdboy> debian/ubuntu are similar but not the saem
[20:59] <shiftplusone> 'course
[20:59] <nerdboy> if the full toolchain is a match then you should be okay
[21:00] <nerdboy> meaning gcc/binutils/libc/headers
[21:00] <eject_ck> just trying get videoplayer with Raspbian, I'm streaming in LAN using VLC big_buck_bunny.mp4 for testing and cvlc on raspbery pi and I can hear ausdio, but video freezes with issues. What are recommended clients for raspberry pi ?
[21:00] <nerdboy> can always build a matching toolchain with crossdev as well
[21:00] <shiftplusone> omxplayer
[21:00] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, haven't had much luck with crossdev
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[21:01] <shiftplusone> the glibc toolchains build fine, but musl fails hard
[21:01] <nerdboy> i just built a full setup a couple weeks ago
[21:01] <eject_ck> what
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[21:01] <shiftplusone> eject_ck, omxplayer
[21:01] <eject_ck> what's recommened resulution for video ?
[21:01] <nerdboy> crossdev is a little finicky about which versions
[21:01] <eject_ck> sorry
[21:02] <nerdboy> but it does work
[21:02] <nerdboy> eject_ck: the omxplayer thing?
[21:02] <shiftplusone> I have lost too many hours on crossdev and trying to fix ebuilds
[21:02] <eject_ck> got it, trying to get working
[21:02] <shiftplusone> and compiling different combinations of versions
[21:03] <nerdboy> yeah, it's both a blessing and a curse...
[21:03] <Tenkawa> ugggh... i hate abi errors
[21:03] <eject_ck> oh, it works!
[21:03] <shiftplusone> but like I said, my I was going for a musl toolchain and sysroot, so I was expecting much support from #gentoo-embedded anyway.
[21:03] <eject_ck> with no issues!
[21:03] <shiftplusone> 'course
[21:04] * Tenkawa grumbles at eabi mismatches
[21:04] <nerdboy> yeah, i spent a couple weeks off and on trying to get it to build a cross gnat as the gcc-extra target
[21:04] <intr0x80> so when I try to compile the simplest hello world with arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-4.4, it just segfaults... or with -static it just hangs at _start()->translit_from_tbl(). Any idea why that might happen?
[21:04] <intr0x80> the program literally just returns 0 from main.
[21:04] <Tenkawa> intr0x80: ouch
[21:05] <eject_ck> what
[21:05] <nerdboy> beating it didn't work, so i sent it back to its room for a few weeks...
[21:05] <eject_ck> what's suggestion for looping ?
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[21:05] <Tenkawa> intr0x80: can you run it through gdb?
[21:06] <Tenkawa> and backtrace it
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[21:06] <intr0x80> yea, when I run it through gdb it gives that stacktrace
[21:06] <intr0x80> it never gets to main()
[21:06] <Tenkawa> yikes
[21:06] <nerdboy> shiftplusone: the toolchain/sdk builds with poky are much easier
[21:06] <intr0x80> seems to hang in _start() calling translit_from_tbl()
[21:06] <Tenkawa> thats like its missing a main library call
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[21:06] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, than crossdev?
[21:06] <nerdboy> it literaly Just Works
[21:06] <Tenkawa> intr0x80: you using march=?
[21:06] <intr0x80> Doesn't look like this compiler is using the right abi or something
[21:07] <intr0x80> Tenkawa: nah, what do I have to pass for march ?
[21:07] <Tenkawa> just a sec..
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[21:07] <nerdboy> although i did have to update a few rdeps for the do_populate_sdk thing to work
[21:08] <Tenkawa> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=${CCPREFIX} (you may not need the second arg)
[21:08] <nerdboy> shiftplusone: yes to that, all it takes is a "bitbake meta-toolchain"
[21:08] <KsM> Should there be anything stopping me from setting arm_freq in /boot/config.txt to something above 1000 (besides the warranty being void), it seems to not boot if I go over 1000
[21:08] <intr0x80> Tenkawa: No makefile, what's ARCH=arm cause to be passed to gcc?
[21:09] <Tenkawa> intr0x80: good q...
[21:09] <intr0x80> I'm just running "arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-4.4 -static main.c -o main"
[21:09] <intr0x80> main.c is just "main(int argc, char* argv[]) { return 0 }"
[21:09] <Tenkawa> add -march=arm
[21:09] <Tenkawa> see if that helps
[21:09] <intr0x80> main.c:1: error: bad value (arm) for -march= switch
[21:09] <Tenkawa> try armhf
[21:10] <Tenkawa> cant remember the complete name
[21:10] <intr0x80> hrm, no beuno
[21:10] <intr0x80> *bueno
[21:10] <shiftplusone> I'll try from Mint
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[21:10] <Tenkawa> ahh
[21:10] <Tenkawa> try armv6
[21:11] <intr0x80> there we go
[21:11] <Tenkawa> any luck?
[21:11] <shiftplusone> or armv6j
[21:11] <shiftplusone> though just arm should work
[21:11] <intr0x80> it complies, but still hangs. let me try armv6j
[21:11] <shiftplusone> hangs where? on a pi?
[21:11] <Tenkawa> yeah and -mfpu=vfp
[21:11] <intr0x80> yeah, on the pi
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[21:12] <Tenkawa> and -mfloat-abi=hard
[21:13] <intr0x80> nope, these options still all hang.
[21:13] <intr0x80> Hrm.
[21:13] <Tenkawa> what strace show?
[21:13] <Tenkawa> er what's
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[21:13] <Tenkawa> if you try running it through strace
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[21:13] <shiftplusone> why 4.4 btw?
[21:13] <intr0x80> nothing really, just "execve("./main", ["./main"], [/* 16 vars */]) = 0
[21:14] <Tenkawa> intriguing
[21:14] <intr0x80> looks like it's stuck in a loop in translit_from_tbl
[21:14] <Tenkawa> hmm
[21:14] <intr0x80> odd.
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[21:15] <shiftplusone> Hm, compiles and runs fine here, but I am using gcc 4.7, not 4.4
[21:15] <Tenkawa> yeah gcc 4.4 is a bit dated
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[21:15] <intr0x80> lets see..
[21:15] <shiftplusone> and I am using qemu to run it, so pi might be a little different.
[21:15] <Tenkawa> although my freebsd pi runs 4.2
[21:15] <Tenkawa> which is ancient
[21:16] <intr0x80> that's freebsd for you :)
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[21:16] <Tenkawa> intr0x80: heheheh
[21:16] <qjsgkem> 4.5.3 here from NetBSD 6.1.1, raspi might have even newer because -current
[21:16] <Tenkawa> qjsgkem: i am still thinking of going netbsd instead of freebsd
[21:16] <qjsgkem> but NetBSD is usually ancient;)
[21:16] <intr0x80> let me try a newer compiler.. definitely a linker/complier compatibility
[21:17] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, time to give poky a go then. Any resources you can point me to, or just start with the documentation on the website?
[21:17] <Tenkawa> qjsgkem: do you know if the arm port of netbsd has ralink support?
[21:17] <nerdboy> the getting started docs are good
[21:18] <nerdboy> the meta-raspberrypi readme has the minimum layer requirements
[21:18] <nerdboy> clone 3 repos and gen your config, then bitbake away...
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[21:19] <qjsgkem> hmmm.... wouldn't know without checking. I tried some wireless dongle, seems to work. ralink depends on version, mompls
[21:19] <Tenkawa> qjsgkem: good point... btw which method did you use to build a netbsd-rpi box?
[21:20] <Tenkawa> think i might convert another pi and start testing
[21:20] <nerdboy> gcc version 4.8.1 (GCC) in th poky toolchain
[21:20] <Tenkawa> nerdboy: nice
[21:20] <nerdboy> since my last build anyway
[21:20] <qjsgkem> http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?ral+4.evbarm+NetBSD-current
[21:21] <Tenkawa> ahh
[21:21] <qjsgkem> Tenkawa: crossbuilt -current for evbarm from a 6.1.1/amd64 box
[21:21] <nerdboy> x86_64-linux/usr/bin/arm1176jzfshf-vfp-poky-linux-gnueabi/arm-poky-linux-gnueabi-gcc to be specific
[21:21] <qjsgkem> one could also download a snapshot and give it a try
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[21:22] <nerdboy> i did tweak the build for hardfloat, but apparently that doesn't change the prefix
[21:22] <Tenkawa> yep... might have to try that
[21:22] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, where do you see all of the 'MACHINE' options?
[21:22] <Tenkawa> cheers all.. bbl
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[21:22] <qjsgkem> did it that way in order to also have a crsstoolchain on my peecee, as a welcome side effect;)
[21:23] <nerdboy> shiftplusone: in general, there are layers for each machine that go on to top of poky/meta-openembedded
[21:23] <nerdboy> look at the layer index, the one i cloned/extended is meta-raspberrypi on github
[21:23] <nerdboy> it should be in the index
[21:24] <qjsgkem> after cvs checkout, I did env MACHINE=evbarm MACHINE_ARCH=arm ./build.sh -O "${mybuilddir}"/obj -U -X "${m
[21:24] <qjsgkem> ybuilddir}"/usr/xsrc -x release sourcesets install-image live-image
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[21:24] <nerdboy> the upstream "official" layer anyway
[21:24] <qjsgkem> that's all I can tell about MACHINE and ARCH;)
[21:24] <KsM> Is there any reason why I can't boot my rpi with arm_freq > 1000? Would I need the overvoltage to be over 6?
[21:25] <qjsgkem> KsM: might be because it's a rasprerry, not a salmon.
[21:25] <nerdboy> where you *set* your machine option is local.conf, which is generated the first time you run oe-init-build-env
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[21:25] <qjsgkem> *some* people like smoked salmon...
[21:25] <KsM> what
[21:26] <qjsgkem> forge tit, I was being facetious;)
[21:26] <qjsgkem> need coffee, urgently
[21:26] <nerdboy> run that guy and then you can edit local.conf and bblayers.conf
[21:26] <KsM> I mean, I've seen people go over 1000Mhz, and I've been told before the only thing really stopping you is voltage and temperature
[21:27] <nerdboy> some people like cupcakes better... i for one care less for them...
[21:27] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, I did run it and went to edit it and was wondering where I can see a list of valid 'MACHINE' options, I didn't quite find the answer in what you said, but I may have missed it.
[21:28] <nerdboy> not sure it was the best answer for that one
[21:28] <nerdboy> meta-ti for example should support several machines
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[21:28] <nerdboy> bbb, beaglebaord, other ti stuff
[21:29] <nerdboy> probably the oe devs have better answers...
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[21:29] <glycol> ksm: is your RAM made by hynix?
[21:29] <shiftplusone> hm =/
[21:29] <nerdboy> so far i know a little about oe-classic and our ti816x machine and poky/raspberrypi
[21:30] <KsM> I think I did see Hynix written on it before, glycol
[21:30] <nerdboy> what you're really asking (i think) is what BSPs are available in the various layers
[21:30] <shiftplusone> I'll be honest, crossdev seems simpler so far >_<
[21:30] <glycol> because pi's with hynix RAM don't overclock as stabily
[21:31] <nerdboy> it only seems that way now...
[21:31] <KsM> Well, I only want to overclock the arm core, not the ram, which I believe the settings don't really affect each other
[21:31] <nerdboy> what machine do you want to build for besides rpi?
[21:32] <KsM> Currently I have arm_freq=1000, arm_freq_min=500, initial_turbo=60, core_freq=320, sdram_freq=500, and over_voltage=6
[21:32] <asdfoa> arm core is very reminiscent of total annihilation
[21:32] <qjsgkem> ah, my RAM is ***
[21:32] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, hypothetically speaking an exact copy of the pi, but without the BCM stuff.
[21:33] <shiftplusone> (generic armv6j)
[21:34] <nerdboy> that should be pretty easy...
[21:35] <shiftplusone> oh, and using musl, not glibc
[21:35] <shiftplusone> and not uclibc
[21:35] <nerdboy> modify a few deps, or maybe just clone the bsp and remove the bcm stuff
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[21:37] <shiftplusone> so where do I get that meta-raspberry pi stuff and what do I do to use it. I'll start with the defaults
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[21:42] <shawnbon206> anyone know if a rpi will play a video with AAC successfully ?
[21:42] <shawnbon206> on xbmc
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[21:48] <shiftplusone> I think the right thing to do is to try it and see
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[21:55] <mumixam> shawnbon206: yes
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[22:13] <cndiv> Hey #raspberrypi, what's your opinion on the Ruby vs Python debate? I'm deciding which one to learn. I'm really interested in single-board and embedded devices like the Pi and the BeagleBone, is one language more limited vs the other?
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[22:14] <shiftplusone> my personal opinion is that you shouldn't care about what people say when it comes to choosing a language
[22:14] <shiftplusone> try both and see which one suits you
[22:14] <Sonny_jim> Sure
[22:14] <Sonny_jim> Good advice
[22:14] <shiftplusone> (but I think they are both rubbish =P)
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[22:14] <nerdboy> one has better library support and is a bit more mature
[22:14] <Sonny_jim> Although I would say that if you are learning a language with an aim to using it for work, pick the one that has jobs
[22:14] <cndiv> shiftplusone: my concern is that learning Ruby wouldn't allow me to control the pinouts, or something severe like that. Is it really a matter of preference?
[22:15] <shiftplusone> google spits out wiringpi bindings for ruby
[22:15] <nerdboy> depends on whether both have bindings to what you need
[22:15] <cndiv> nerdboy: which one is that?
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[22:15] <glycol> learn C and you won't fear such things :P
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[22:15] <nerdboy> python
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[22:16] <shiftplusone> python will have the absolute best support when it comes to doing stuff on the pi, but that shouldn't be the main criteria.
[22:16] <cndiv> nerdboy: so there's a chance that ruby wouldn't have the bindings to allow me to add, say, a hard-wired display?
[22:16] <nerdboy> c is a bit masochistic these days...
[22:16] <Sonny_jim> nerdboy: Not at all
[22:16] <nerdboy> won;t know without looking
[22:16] <Sonny_jim> If you want to talk to hardware, it's the only way
[22:16] <Sonny_jim> (imo)
[22:16] <cndiv> Sonny_jim: C is the only way, you mean?
[22:16] <Sonny_jim> For me, anyway
[22:17] <cndiv> Sonny_jim: oh so it's not the *only* way, it's just the *best* or *preferred* way?
[22:17] <nerdboy> sure, but most people probably won't be writing that from scratch
[22:17] <Sonny_jim> cndiv: C is my preferred way to talk to hardware
[22:17] <cndiv> ah ok
[22:17] <nerdboy> using it with a python binding (or whatever) is another matter
[22:17] <shiftplusone> you can google "language x vs language y" for any combination of languages and you will find lots of pages with lots of zeal about how language x sucks because of some minor difference it has to language y which you wouldn't even notice unless you have been using the language professionally for a few years. It's hard to take such things seriously.
[22:17] <Sonny_jim> I don't like languages that aren't strongly typed, I get confused as to what is a keyword and what is a variable
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[22:18] <Sonny_jim> Lua is one I dislike
[22:18] <cndiv> shiftplusone: yeah, that's exactly the expeience I've had so far researching this.
[22:18] <nerdboy> that's one reason i like Ada
[22:18] <nerdboy> best type support ever
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[22:18] <shiftplusone> cndiv, is there a particular reason you're interested in ruby?
[22:18] <nerdboy> but then, python seems natural as well
[22:18] <Sonny_jim> Ruby is more web orientated isn't it?
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[22:19] <nerdboy> whatever floats yer boat and doesn't have serious suckage
[22:19] <qjsgkem> y'all need https://wiki.theory.org/YourLanguageSucks ;)
[22:19] <shiftplusone> python can very web oriented as well, just use something like flask.
[22:19] <Sonny_jim> Yeah, someone mentioned that earlier when I was trying to pick between PHP and python
[22:19] * nerdboy points at his legacy zope server
[22:19] <cndiv> shiftplusone: actually not really? What I've read about it so far (and the VERY little experience I have) makes me feel like it's high-level and smartly arranged
[22:20] <nerdboy> plone is also zope/python
[22:20] <Sonny_jim> Trouble is, it's like Perl fan boys. People who are over enthusiastic about python put me off of it
[22:20] <glycol> looks like C has one of the shortest list on that wiki haha
[22:20] <Sonny_jim> Don't mess with the C brigade
[22:20] <nerdboy> i would not choose php, but that's me
[22:20] <Sonny_jim> How come?
[22:20] <qjsgkem> otoh, C++ is veeeery long;)
[22:21] <cndiv> I'm mostly a hobbyist, and although I realize that C would probably be the *best* way of doing things, I don't really have the patience for it. I'd rather "prove my concept" then get help from those who know the better way to acomplish the same thing.
[22:21] <qjsgkem> nerdboy: that makes two;)
[22:21] <Sonny_jim> I asked the other guy who was fanatical aout python, but he really couldn't tell me why he didn't like it
[22:21] <Sonny_jim> cndiv: It's actually not that bad once you get used to it
[22:21] <nerdboy> history of security flaws for one
[22:21] <Sonny_jim> Ha
[22:21] <Sonny_jim> Well if python had the same usage as C, I think it would have security issues as well
[22:22] <Sonny_jim> Oh PHP you mean
[22:22] <qjsgkem> I'm not fanatical, but I remember once having had to dig thru PHP and the aftertaste was among the worst I can remember;)
[22:22] <nerdboy> i've deployed it a few times, hacked it a little, and it just never smelled right
[22:22] <nerdboy> how's that for nebulous?
[22:22] <cndiv> Sonny_jim: I'll give you an example: I have exactly zero patience for low-level things like manual RAM management. That's not, at all, fun to me. And if I have to do things like that by hand, and hack through why they aren't working, I'll get frustrated and not complete what I'm working on.
[22:22] <Sonny_jim> Yeah, for a language thats supposed to be used with WWW, you'd think they would iron out the security bits first
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[22:22] <Sonny_jim> I honestly didn't have a problem with memory management, but then I don't try and do very complicated things
[22:23] <qjsgkem> it seemed to be an absolutely concept-free cobbled-together mess, with some constructs radically changing meaning between releases
[22:23] <cndiv> Sonny_jim: but you still had to do it, right?
[22:23] <nerdboy> yup, they've had some issue there as well
[22:23] <Sonny_jim> cndiv: I see it as 'keeping your desk tidy'
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[22:23] <cndiv> Sonny_jim: I would just be so annoyed the first time I had a problem. I have zero interest in doing it, it's not fun and not related to my project, in my eyes.
[22:24] <shiftplusone> cndiv, I still suggest trying both and seeing which suits you better. If I had to make the choice for myself, I would go with python, but not for any good reason.
[22:25] <nerdboy> any time you do your own memory management you have to it right. there's pretty much no other choice...
[22:25] <cndiv> shiftplusone: that's good advice, thank you. I'm glad to know there's no obvious limitation, one vs the other.
[22:25] <nerdboy> *do even
[22:25] <cndiv> nerdboy: and that's why I'd rather have it handled for me. :-)
[22:26] <Sonny_jim> Out of sight, out of mind.....
[22:26] <qjsgkem> eg I don't really love perl, but I just might have to use it for a tree with broken filenames, because it's better at some really dark corners of unicode than others.
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[22:26] <Sonny_jim> Well, choose your weapon, isn't it? Perl is great at stuff like that
[22:26] <nerdboy> that's probably why it's called Ada.Unchecked_Deallocation... to remind you about just what the heck you're doing
[22:27] <qjsgkem> exactly. some problems are bestsolved with tools you don't have to love;)
[22:28] <Sonny_jim> So going back to the original question, cndiv what is it you wish to accomplish?
[22:29] <nerdboy> unless ruby truly gives you a woody, i'd say python (but again, that's me and i have a little history there)
[22:29] <nerdboy> or ruby has just the bindings you need...
[22:29] <cndiv> I'm daydreaming about buidling a pi or beaglebone powered offline yet mesh-networked communication device
[22:30] <shiftplusone> What's hard about memory management? Admittedly I haven't worked on anything terribly complicated, but it doesn't seem too hard to structure your code so that every time you allocate memory for something, you also add code to reclaim it when it's no longer needed. O_o
[22:30] <nerdboy> console/web interface only?
[22:30] <cndiv> I'm interested in low-cost technology that could help bridge communication gaps in the developing parts of the planet
[22:31] <nerdboy> shiftplusone: that would make a lot more sense if there wasn't so much crappy code leaking all over the place..
[22:32] <nerdboy> or we could go with "most people are just stupid" but i would prefer to blame the tools more
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[22:32] <nerdboy> probably a coin flip, actually...
[22:32] <shiftplusone> I agree with blaming the tools to an extent
[22:33] <shiftplusone> The number of times I have heard java developers say something to the effect of "it's not my fault other java developers don't know how to code" is quite high, but it doesn't changet he fact that most of the terribly slow and bloated software is written in java.
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[22:34] <nerdboy> unless people are rigorous about running valgrind and other tools on their code, it seems guaranteed they'll miss something...
[22:34] <shiftplusone> but, looking at C programs, I haven't encountered many terrible examples in day to day usage.
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[22:36] <nerdboy> you'll have to describe your day-to-day context, because i've see a metric-a**load of bad C code
[22:37] <nerdboy> well structured/well written C is much more rare...
[22:37] <Sonny_jim> Mesh networking eh?
[22:37] <Sonny_jim> Well, you'd need a language that has strong networking bits
[22:38] <shiftplusone> I don't generally have "dear god, this is terrible software" or "hey... a memory leak" moments when using software written in C. Chances are that if I took the time to read the source code and was experienced enough to know what good code is, I would be bothered, but as an end-user, it really doesn't bother me as long as it works.
[22:38] * gordonDrogon writes lots of C... sometimes it even works ;-)
[22:38] <Sonny_jim> Don't forget about the Underhanded C Contest
[22:39] <qjsgkem> well, the problem for me arises when I browse source for a program I use, and see mistakes. reduces trust...
[22:39] <Sonny_jim> http://underhanded.xcott.com/
[22:39] <qjsgkem> like off-by-one errors in fsck...
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[22:42] <nerdboy> well, i wore an IV&V hat for 20 years on a launch range so my perspective on tools/languages/quality/etc is a bit different than most
[22:43] <nerdboy> it was my job to look for other people's errors/mistakes and then write anomaly reports and other criticisms
[22:44] <nerdboy> pretty cool, actually, but doesn't win you many friends on the other side unless they have the right attitude
[22:45] <shiftplusone> heh
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[22:46] <nerdboy> some were glad for the help and others weren't
[22:47] <shiftplusone> well, humans are an egoistic bunch
[22:47] <nerdboy> with certain people and their projects it was always adversarial
[22:48] <nerdboy> guess the flavor of the anomaly reports for those projects?
[22:48] * shiftplusone doesn't know anomaly report flavours >.>
[22:49] * nerdboy always enjoyed watching the base cmdr turn and point at the engineering contractor with that look...
[22:49] <nerdboy> well, ARs had a very well defined life-cycle and states
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[22:50] <nerdboy> but the language would vary a bit
[22:50] <nerdboy> in certain cases some of use would push it just to see if our own boss would catch it
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[22:51] <nerdboy> "you can't say that's the stupidest thing you've ever see.." "well, it's true" "but you still can't say that"
[22:52] <nerdboy> my own mentor was notorious for scathing technical rants followed by ", you idiot" to keep our boss on his toes
[22:53] <shiftplusone> heh
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[22:53] <nerdboy> obviously we had a thorough internal review cycle...
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[22:56] <nerdboy> wait a sec, here's my graphviz AR life-cycle diagram i did before i left
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[22:56] <nerdboy> http://www.gentoogeek.org/files/anomaly_state_diagram-2.png
[22:58] <nerdboy> the right side (closure status) was the "new" part, the rest is more-or-less how it was when i got there
[22:58] <shiftplusone> Seems a little too bureaucratic, but sensible.
[22:58] <nerdboy> it's for safety-critical code
[22:59] <shiftplusone> ah
[22:59] <nerdboy> kinda has to be
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[23:15] <cndiv> maybe this is a stupid question, but what's the way to make nano wrap WORDS instead of characters?
[23:15] <cndiv> I know that -$ makes it wrap, but it'll wrap in the middle of words, which is annoying.
[23:16] <shiftplusone> Seems to wrap on words here
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[23:17] <cndiv> shiftplusone: really? That's kind of why I'm asking, all the documentation claims that it should do it automatically, and it doesn't. On either my pi or my desktop linux box.
[23:17] <cndiv> and the -$ option makes it wrap on characters, not full words
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[23:18] <shiftplusone> I don't even see such an option in the man page
[23:18] <ozzzy> cndiv: well... it's open source.... =)
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[23:20] <cndiv> ozzzy: yeah but it's not exactly an uncommon thing. Every system seems to have it.
[23:20] <cndiv> shiftplusone: you're saying that if you just open a document in nano, then type until there's no more space on the line, it automatically wraps words for you? What distro are you running?
[23:20] <shiftplusone> yes and I am running gentoo
[23:21] <shiftplusone> I can check Mint, just a sec
[23:21] <shiftplusone> booting
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[23:21] <cndiv> shiftplusone: thanks. I'm running raspbian on the pi right now, and my mint installation does the same thing.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> my nano (debian) scrolls left and doesn't wrap.
[23:21] <shiftplusone> are you using the -w flag?
[23:22] <cndiv> gordonDrogon: I feel less crazy now, thanks.
[23:22] <shiftplusone> some versions of nano assume -w by default
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> or someone has it in a .nanorc file.
[23:22] <shiftplusone> ah
[23:22] <shiftplusone> yup, doesn't wrap at all on mint
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> and check /etc/nanorc
[23:23] <cndiv> if I use -w, the end of the lines that should wrap have "$" characters instead and don't wrap, and if I use -$ the lines wrap but wrap characters, not words.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> my /etc/nanorc has set nowrap in it.
[23:23] <cndiv> gordonDrogon: I'll check that.
[23:24] <shiftplusone> that's it
[23:24] <shiftplusone> I've modified nanorc and it wraps fine
[23:24] <shiftplusone> though I am not sure why you're using nano in a situation where you need wrapping at all.
[23:25] <cndiv> gordonDrogon: ok, so changed that option and now the lines that should wrap just end in $ characters, but don't wrap. Same as if I ran the -w option before.
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[23:25] <cndiv> shiftplusone: I'm actually just looking for a CLI text editor without a learning curve. I should learn vi but that's not a big priority to me right now.
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[23:26] <cndiv> shiftplusone: if you could recommend something that does the job, that'd be great
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[23:26] <shiftplusone> For something more serious than changing test files, I don't tend to use the CLI, so I can't suggest anything.
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[23:27] <shiftplusone> I don't believe in learning ancient text editors like vi.
[23:27] <ozzzy> edlin rox
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[23:28] <shiftplusone> cndiv, did you comment out the nowrap line? are you running nano without any flags?
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> vi == vim.
[23:29] <cndiv> shiftplusone: I commented out the nowrap line, which makes it operate in the same manner as if I added the -w option. So I just use nano without any options, and instead of word wrapping as expected, the lines just end in $ characters and don't wrap.
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> I use vim all the time.
[23:30] <shiftplusone> but nobody under the age of 40 should =P
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[23:31] <shiftplusone> cndiv, double check everything, I suspect a pebcak error. We have the same distro (mint) and if you did what I did, it should work.
[23:31] <cndiv> shiftplusone: Figured it out! I'm also running tmux multiplexer, and the wrapping doesn't happen if the pane is too small.
[23:31] <shiftplusone> ah
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[23:32] <cndiv> shiftplusone: don't really get why it cares, but that's the problem
[23:33] <shiftplusone> chalks a +1 next to screen
[23:33] <cndiv> shiftplusone: thanks for your help
[23:33] <shiftplusone> Don't thank me, Gordon spotted the issue.
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[23:34] <cndiv> gordonDrogon: and thanks for your help too :-)
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> I don't see why people shouldn't use vim. it's perfectly capable.
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[23:38] <Sonny_jim> gordonDrogon: I use vim all the time and wouldn't tell people to use it
[23:39] <Sonny_jim> It's from a bygone age where GUI's where expensive
[23:39] <Sonny_jim> I mean, I <3 vim
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> I edit with my hands/fingers - moving away to the mouse takes time ...
[23:39] <Sonny_jim> But it's learning curve is it's downfall
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> is it?
[23:39] <Sonny_jim> Oh I agree, you have 128 keys, 10 fingers (normally) but people like the mouse
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[23:40] <Sonny_jim> with it's 3 buttons and a wheel
[23:40] <shiftplusone> Personal, uninformed and stupid opinion: It was written at a time when the learning curve for it was worth it. That is no longer the case.
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> well I think it still is worth learning.
[23:40] <Sonny_jim> Oh for sure
[23:40] <Sonny_jim> I mean, when was the last time you touched a linux box that didn't have vi/vim?
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> I have some that just have nano )-:
[23:41] <shiftplusone> Why? Something like geany works just fine and has keyboard shortcuts if you need them.
[23:41] <Sonny_jim> But if you are new to Linux, stick to nano for a while
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> geany is an IDE.
[23:41] <shiftplusone> a very light IDE, yes.
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[23:41] <Vialas> hey everyone
[23:41] <shiftplusone> Hello again
[23:41] <Vialas> hey Sonny_jim
[23:41] <Vialas> doh
[23:42] <Vialas> hey shiftplusone
[23:42] <Vialas> how are ya?
[23:42] <shiftplusone> Yeah... no hey to you Sonny_jim! >=/
[23:42] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I am good.
[23:42] <Vialas> ohhh your here to Sonny_jim , yes hello to you too :)
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> I never got on with IDEs.
[23:43] <Vialas> good stuff shiftplusone
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> I'd consider using one if I could edit the files with vim.
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> but then I do all the IDE stuff from the command-line anyway.
[23:45] <shiftplusone> Would that be the case if you didn't start back in the day when vi or emacs were the way to go?
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> not sure - I spent one job forced to use an IDE (ms dev) and hated it. hated every single day of it.
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> quite after a year.
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> *quit
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[23:48] <shiftplusone> I can understand disliking bulky IDEs. I still write my own makefiles or use autotools. I am just talking about the text/code editing aspect of it.
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[23:57] <gordonDrogon> vi works for me.
[23:57] <shiftplusone> As far as the moving your hand away from the keyboard being inefficient thing goes, I find scrolling with the middle mouse button and clicking to where I need to position the cursor to be much faster than trying to use odd key combinations to try to skip words and then overshooting and trying to come back and so on
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> before vi... I used many editors - something called yaloe (yet another line orientated editor), the ucsd P editor, something called ecce, something else call em (ed for mortals), I wrote my own folding editor once too (currently writing a nano-like editor for my basic).
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> I used a version of vi (STeVIe) to power emacs to a unix system I was helping to port - emacs wouldn't run on it, so I ported microemacs.

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