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IRC Log for 2013-11-24

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[0:00] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm just used to it.
[0:00] <shiftplusone> I think that's what it comes down to
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[0:01] <shiftplusone> people got used to it at a time when it made sense to do so. It works for them, but I don't think the learning curve is worth it for newcomers.
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[0:01] <gordonDrogon> I had a summer working with a proper stream editor too - punch an edit tape, load the editor tape, load the edit tape, load the source tape, punch the new edited tape ... that was fun.
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[0:01] <shiftplusone> heh
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[0:02] <gordonDrogon> vim makes it easy - all the keyboard buttons do what they say they do - page up/down, arrows - it's not like the old hjkl days.
[0:03] * ozzzy liked MSWord for DOS
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[0:04] <svv> vim is the dumbest thing in the world. It uses so much more disk space than vi.
[0:05] <shiftplusone> because disk space is so precious =P
[0:05] <svv> sometimes, that few kB is what makes the difference
[0:05] <svv> few hundred*
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[0:05] <svv> l)
[0:05] <shiftplusone> some time 30 years ago?
[0:05] <svv> ;)*
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[0:07] <SpeedEvil> In about 5 years, linux systems with 4M of RAM and 4M of ROM are likely to be coming back.
[0:07] <SpeedEvil> In single-chip form.
[0:07] <SpeedEvil> For $.30 each
[0:09] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I can see that happening.
[0:09] <svv> for what purpose?
[0:09] <SpeedEvil> svv: Industrial control, and appliances.
[0:09] <svv> Doesn't make sense unless it's for a toaster oven or something.
[0:09] <svv> Oh, yeah, that makes sense SpeedEvil
[0:10] <SpeedEvil> For example, it gets a lot faster to develop stuff if you can write your washing machine in python
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[0:17] <qjsgkem> hmmm, returning to bad PHP. "ximaz" is really really cool;)
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> my waching machine is written in C thankyoverymuch...
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> intel just announced 128MB of level 4 cache on chip too..
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Back to the PPro!
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> Off-die cache.
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning one-die microcontrollers.
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> off-die but in the same package.
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> yeah
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[0:23] <SpeedEvil> With the death of moores law, multi chip packaging is goingto be very cmmon - at least untill the work out how to do through-silicon-vias cheaply.
[0:23] * shiftplusone wouldn't rely on moores law anymore
[0:24] <shiftplusone> ah 'with the death of'... my mistake
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> And I know it was never strongly predictive - however it's matched pretty well over the last decades apart from the last 5 years
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> just cover the Pi's SoC & POP memory with gloop and call it one chip ;-)
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[0:52] <clever> SpeedEvil: have you seen whats inside a micro sd card?
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[0:54] <SpeedEvil> clever: Not personally - however it's several laminated back-thinned dies
[0:54] <clever> yeah, 2 or 3
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[0:55] <clever> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918
[0:55] <clever> SpeedEvil: this has pics inside several cards
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> clever: More like 9
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> In the highest capacity ones AIUI
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> And I've linked that before.
[0:57] <clever> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2297 has more details on what to look for
[0:57] <clever> just found it
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[1:49] <Vialas> hey guys, anyone had issues using RasBMC
[1:49] <Vialas> i seem to be stuck in a loop
[1:50] <shiftplusone> there's #raspbmc
[1:50] <shiftplusone> but be sure to tell them what you mean exactly by "stuck in a loop"
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[1:51] <SpeedEvil> Also 'issues'
[1:51] <Motogeek> #cyanogenmod
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[1:52] <SpeedEvil> ##cygwindowsphone
[1:53] <Motogeek> "/j"
[1:53] <shiftplusone> why the random channel names?
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[1:53] <shiftplusone> but just to fit in #openmoko... if that's still a thing.
[1:53] <Motogeek> <- forgot the /j when joiing channels
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[1:57] <Vialas> yea, ill join em thanks shiftplusone
[1:57] <shiftplusone> I hope you mean #raspbmc
[2:00] <Vialas> yea thats the one
[2:00] <sraue> there is also OpenELEC without builtin "loop" functions
[2:00] <Vialas> gosh nothing is working for me today lol
[2:00] * shiftplusone prefers openelec
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[2:03] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: :( I recently parted there.
[2:04] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, openmoko? O_o
[2:04] <SpeedEvil> The channel.
[2:04] <shiftplusone> ah
[2:04] * SpeedEvil looks at his OpenMoko Neo1973.
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[2:05] <shiftplusone> When did that come out?
[2:06] <SpeedEvil> http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48734&start=40#p1879299
[2:06] <SpeedEvil> 2007
[2:06] <SpeedEvil> The really depressing thing is that in xmas 2007, they could have had a basic 'dumb' phone with X, all the normal features.
[2:06] <SpeedEvil> And the ability to run any arbitrary linux program.
[2:06] * shiftplusone reads
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> At that point a much larger number of developers than the 'early adopters' would have piled in - at that point many of them diddn't even have a smartphone
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[2:09] <shiftplusone> so tldr version is that they didn't bother fixing kernel bugs and just focused on sort of kind of polishing the front-end stuff and new hardware?
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> Basically.
[2:11] <SpeedEvil> And not actually shipping product.
[2:11] <shiftplusone> I do remember drooling at it, but I don't remember ever being able to buy it (price aside).
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[2:11] <shiftplusone> Looks like I missed the windows when it was actually available, and that's probably a good thing.
[2:12] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately yes.
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[2:12] <shiftplusone> Are there any phones that are currently being manufactured and sold that run actual linux?
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> It wasn't awesome hardware at the time - but it did have a really great screen. 80*25 terminal non-fullscreen was quite visible
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: Nearly!
[2:13] * SpeedEvil has preorder in.
[2:13] <shiftplusone> what is it?
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> http://jolla.com/
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> The preorders are shipping in the next week or so.
[2:13] <shiftplusone> Ah, and sailfish os looks awesome as well.
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> This is basically a phone produced by the people that did the n900. At least some of them. So it's basically 'linux' - with the capability of running android apps
[2:14] <shiftplusone> Hopefully it's available when my S2 dies. =)
[2:14] <glycol> if i already can cross-compile for the pi and i need additional libraries for a program like libssh2, is there some better way than just copy pasting its source code into the project?
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> There are reportedly I2C and other things available for connecting 'other halfs' to.
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[2:15] <SpeedEvil> glycol: make up a proper package for your package managment system of choice, and have it required as a dependancy
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> glycol: Or as part of the build process fetch the source from the other projects git say
[2:16] <shiftplusone> glycol, I don't understand. Is this just something you need to link against or what?
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[2:17] <delugeofspam> HI #RASPBERRYPI
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[2:18] <delugeofspam> so I pretty much bought pi #2,000,000 (also ...001, .002)
[2:18] <shiftplusone> the ubuntu phone kickstarter looked good and I almost backed it, but figured it would be a stupid thing to do. The specs were 'meh' and they were only planning to actually get it manufactured like a year later or something, so it would be very 'meh' and for the same money it would make more sense to wait a year and buy something much better anyway.
[2:19] <delugeofspam> I've been powering them, and wifi and bluetooth dongles, off of a standard usb port
[2:19] <SpeedEvil> delugeofspam: you mean actually bought?
[2:19] <glycol> shiftplusone: i have a program which will use libssh2 on the pi, but im not compiling on the pi because it's too slow so im cross-compiling but then there's no proper way to install include's and libs for the cross compiler
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[2:19] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: I'm trying to encourage as much as I can ecosystem diversity.
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[2:20] <delugeofspam> i mean i ordered mine in the time period where whe two millionth pi is believed to have sold
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: Having android + IOS + windows phone + blackberry isn't a healthy thing
[2:20] <delugeofspam> anyway, i switched over to a 2.1A wall adapter the other day
[2:20] <delugeofspam> and for some reason, i swear i'm getting a performance boost out of it
[2:20] <delugeofspam> am i crazy, or is this possible?
[2:20] <shiftplusone> glycol, yes, but why would you need to paste any code at all? You can get the necessary files from your sd card or download and extract the .deb file you need.
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> delugeofspam: It's basically not possible.
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[2:21] <SpeedEvil> delugeofspam: YOur mind is a really powerful thing.
[2:21] <shiftplusone> it is possible in some ways, but probably not the ones you mean.
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[2:21] <shiftplusone> Your cpu speed isn't going to increase, but a bad power supply can mess with your peripherals like ethernet.
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[2:23] <delugeofspam> i'm just wondering if core voltage was being sacrificed because of the two peripherals drawing more than the usb was puttin gout
[2:23] <delugeofspam> i mean, i would expect system instability in that case, not just slow going
[2:23] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, it could be a good thing in some ways. With a small set of operating systems to support, app developers are more likely to release apps for all devices rather than only focusing on IOS or whatever. A plain linux phone could pretty much forget about getting fancy apps on it. Though the Jolla folks do seem to be doing things right with android support.
[2:24] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: To a degree, yes, as long as one of the OSs is linux based.
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> I do not really consider android linux based - as much as I wouldn't 'Boot to wine'.
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> Which it damn nearly is.
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> Well - 'boot to java'
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> Linux based and allowing user customisation at all levels.
[2:26] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, do you know if they have their own dalvik/java vm running to support either android or native apps or would it just be an android os you would have to boot into?
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> Stuff like 'Oh - ad-hoc networks - you don't want those'
[2:26] <shiftplusone> ah, I guess you just answered that
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> It's both at the same time.
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> The ubuntu phone was an utter failure in that aspect. If the user has one key android app on their dualboot phone, they're staying in android.
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[2:28] <shiftplusone> so how they actually doing it on jolla without bringing down the wrath of oracle or google on themselves?
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[2:28] <shiftplusone> ah, looks like dalvik is free to use
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[2:32] <delugeofspam> windows phone? http://tinyurl.com/qd4raaa
[2:33] <shiftplusone> Reading up on it, it's done through 'Alien Dalvik'... sounds promising. I hope it works out.
[2:33] <[Saint]> Aren't they shifting to ART now? ...though, I guess that doesn't necessarily imply anyone else has to.
[2:34] <delugeofspam> actually that phone is running android, ubuntu, and windows
[2:34] <[Saint]> Though apparently ART is still in a state where it will almost certainly break /something/ in someone's setup at this point.
[2:34] * shiftplusone ponders why they would decide to use bloody java and then try to compile it down to something sensible, rather than using something sensible from the start =/
[2:36] <delugeofspam> because then you'd have to know how to use pointers
[2:36] <shiftplusone> the horror
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[2:51] <czhanacek> Hi everyone
[2:52] <shiftplusone> hey
[2:52] <czhanacek> I have a question that I hope someone can help me with
[2:53] <czhanacek> So, I have 2 Pi's, one that I'm on right now, which is kind of my "other" desktop, and one that I use for timelapse photography out my window.
[2:54] <czhanacek> The Pi I'm on right now has a wifi dongle that I've set up to work with our home wifi network, but the timelapse Pi doesn't have any internet.
[2:55] <czhanacek> Since I could run an ethernet cable between the two, how could I share the internet that the desktop Pi is getting to the timelapse Pi?
[2:56] <buzzsaw> setup a network :-)
[2:56] <glycol> i think you can do that with by just connecting the 2 pi's together with an ethernet cable and do some configuration
[2:56] <czhanacek> Like what?
[2:56] <czhanacek> They're both already physically connected.
[2:57] <buzzsaw> look up ip masquerade
[2:57] <glycol> i tried something similar once, but it wasn't the same situation and i failed
[2:58] <czhanacek> Well what I've tried has failed too.
[2:58] <shiftplusone> czhanacek, a bit of a guide here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internet_Sharing
[2:58] <shiftplusone> (doesn't matter if you're not using arch)
[2:59] <czhanacek> Thanks shiftplusone. I'll try that
[3:00] <shiftplusone> good luck
[3:00] <buzzsaw> its real easy and that link shiftplusone put up spells itout
[3:00] <buzzsaw> no luck needed :-)
[3:01] <shiftplusone> I remember struggling with it, but the guide I was following was way longer
[3:01] <glycol> i read that once, it's good for debian too but i think you should set a static ip(described there)(for the pi without wifi) instead of fiddling with a dhcp server(also described there), that part is easier that way
[3:01] <shiftplusone> ended up using network manager since it does it automagically
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[3:02] <buzzsaw> dhcp is nicer :-)
[3:02] <buzzsaw> then you can just plug whatever into it...
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[3:05] <buzzsaw> dhcp is easy enough
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[3:06] <glycol> czhanacek: doing with network manager is just a matter of setting the Method under IPV4 Settings to "Shared to other computer" for your 'wired' connection, and you probably have to enable ipv4.ip_forward too
[3:07] <buzzsaw> bah use the command line :-) that way you learn how to do it :-)
[3:07] <shiftplusone> does raspbian use NM?
[3:07] <glycol> i don't have a clue, but i described it anyway
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[3:08] <shiftplusone> You sure did
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[3:09] <buzzsaw> http://scriptthe.net/2011/09/04/enable-internet-connection-sharing-through-linux/ talks about how to do dhcp and sharing
[3:10] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: that's a rather polite way of putting it.
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[3:10] <shiftplusone> [Saint], eh? I wasn't trying to be rude even in a sneaky way. What did I miss?
[3:10] <clever> buzzsaw / glycol: you may also want to enable NAT in iptables
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[3:14] <glycol> clever: i wonder why NM doesn't do that by itself, it's like having to do 'ifup wlan0' before/after you tick 'enable wireless'
[3:15] <czhanacek> Okay switching to the other Pi now. Be back in a bit
[3:15] <clever> NM can share the network?
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[3:15] <shiftplusone> clever, yup, as glycol said. That's how I do it from my laptop.
[3:15] <clever> ive never used NM, i usualy just leave thing at the defaults until it goes wrong, then i just do it all by hand
[3:15] <clever> and after having made a router from scratch (linux from scratch too), sharing is trivial
[3:16] <glycol> clever: czhan has 2 pi's, 1 has no internet the other has through wifi, he wants to share internet through eth0 to the other pi
[3:16] <clever> ive done it by hand dozens of times
[3:16] <clever> glycol: ah, i would just use bridging for that
[3:16] <clever> give both IP's on the smae lan
[3:16] <clever> more complicated to setup, but then much simpler to use
[3:16] * shiftplusone never got the hang of bridging
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[3:16] <clever> ive never tried it
[3:17] <glycol> me neither, especially through a single NIC
[3:17] <clever> i have done some whack things before, when in some old hotels, back before the wifi age
[3:17] <clever> i setup both laptops in adhoc mode
[3:17] <clever> plugged 1 in the wall
[3:17] <azizLIGHTS> anyone got that pi ups?
[3:17] <clever> then set it up as a router, over adhoc
[3:18] <clever> but now that ive played with hostapd, i can make it a proper AP router
[3:19] <azizLIGHTS> mines coming in the mail, its supposed to run pi off AA batteries in case power gets shut off
[3:19] <clever> azizLIGHTS: ive made one out of a lipo before, it ran for an hour or 2
[3:19] <azizLIGHTS> nice
[3:20] <clever> but the charge IC gets bloody hot when charging, and it doesnt have the current capacity to both change and run
[3:20] <clever> azizLIGHTS: https://www.sparkfun.com/wish_lists/66243
[3:20] <clever> the list has 2 batteries, i used the smaller one, but the big one lasts 3x as long
[3:21] <clever> my notes say the big battery would go 12 hours
[3:21] <clever> and thats with wifi going and snmp checking on it every 60 seconds
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[3:22] <azizLIGHTS> neat :)
[3:23] <clever> the lipo fuel gauge had to be modded, and is optional
[3:23] <clever> it just gives you a battery level measurement over i2c
[3:23] <clever> they connect the VBAT to the i2c pullups
[3:23] <clever> so you risk driving 3.7 volts up your pi
[3:24] <clever> had to slice a trace and then give it 3.3v pullup from the pi
[3:24] <clever> it has a pin for the pullup in
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[3:31] <azizLIGHTS> im wondering what i should get
[3:31] <azizLIGHTS> for portableness
[3:31] <azizLIGHTS> i cant build these types of things myself, and the thing i ordered im not so sure if i want it
[3:32] <azizLIGHTS> its just for providing enough power to do a proper shutdown
[3:32] <azizLIGHTS> and then reboot once power comes back on
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[3:39] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/ozfocus_pi.png <-- wireless control of an arduino through the pi
[3:39] <ozzzy> I love this stuff
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[3:46] <nerdboy> azizLIGHTS: you should get some runtime off a decent 2A battery with usb port
[3:47] <nerdboy> something 4k mAhrs or better
[3:47] <nerdboy> should be able to get a decent one for $30 US give or take
[3:48] <azizLIGHTS> well, do i need something special to run the pi off regular power and automatically switch to battery when regular powrs off, and then switch back to regular power when its back on?
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[3:55] <azizLIGHTS> or do i just run it off a battery forever and charge the battery
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[3:55] <azizLIGHTS> sorry if my questions are stupid
[3:56] <clever> azizLIGHTS: there will be some energy losses if you charge the battery all the time like that
[3:56] <clever> your stepping the power down from ??? to ~3.8-4.2 volts (whatever the max voltage is for charging)
[3:56] <clever> and then stepping it back up to 5v
[3:56] <clever> also, the pi sucking some juice up may mess with the constant current mode of the charger
[3:56] <clever> you would really want a charger that is designed to allow that
[3:58] <shiftplusone> clever, hm, still no reply to the mplayer thread =/. The pi folks usually keep an eye out for such threads. Odd.
[3:58] <clever> i have a clue as to what i'm doing wrong, after talking to JEEB in the ffmpeg dev rooms
[3:59] <shiftplusone> ah, excellent
[3:59] <clever> mkv doesnt contain 'annex b' formated nal units
[3:59] <clever> but something slightly different
[3:59] <clever> and my hacks to things, including that header, all convert it to 'annex b'
[3:59] <clever> mkvextract tricked me when it did the conversion while extracting
[4:00] <clever> so when i took the extradata header, the same one that omxplayer used
[4:00] <clever> i was mixing the mkv header with the 'annex b' streams
[4:02] <clever> shiftplusone: also, i was within minutes of fixing that
[4:02] <clever> when i hit a snag
[4:03] <clever> [ 15.903868] FAT-fs (mmcblk0p1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[4:03] <clever> i ran fsck
[4:03] <clever> it renamed damn near every file in the dev folder
[4:03] <clever> they all got tossed into lost+found
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[4:04] <Sonny_jim> On /dev?
[4:04] <Sonny_jim> I think you fsck'd the wrong device
[4:05] <Sonny_jim> mmcblk0p1 is the FAT32 filesystem
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[4:07] <clever> oh, copy/pasted the wrong error
[4:07] <clever> it scrolled off screen, so i grabbed another one
[4:07] <clever> let me see if syslog got it
[4:08] <clever> nope. it probly locked the fs read-only and broke the logs
[4:08] <clever> ah nvm, ofund it
[4:08] <clever> Nov 23 21:23:48 pi kernel: [ 82.484041] EXT4-fs error (device mmcblk0p2): htree_dirblock_to_tree:920: inode #166088: block 646723: comm ls: bad entry in directory: rec_len % 4 != 0 - offset=1028(1028), inode=2147661615, rec_len=2066, name_len=12
[4:08] <clever> Sonny_jim: this was the 'oh sh*t' moment :P
[4:09] <shiftplusone> clever, *ing out profanity is against the rules here.
[4:10] <clever> ok, i'll try to use less profane words in the future
[4:10] <clever> wont just bleep them out
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[4:10] <shiftplusone> doesn't bother me personally, just giving you a heads up.
[4:11] <clever> yeah
[4:11] <clever> i have been warned before when i didnt bleep myself
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[4:12] <clever> ive just now finished checking mplayer out and applying my patches to it
[4:13] <clever> so i have to recompile it all (an hour or 2) and then apply the fix i think will do it
[4:13] <clever> if i'm right, that should fix it
[4:13] <clever> but ive been wrong for days, so who knows...
[4:14] <shiftplusone> an hour or 2? you're doing this all on a pi?
[4:16] <SpeedEvil> :)
[4:16] <clever> shiftplusone: yes
[4:16] <shiftplusone> ouch
[4:16] <clever> throwing cross compile into the mix would be a pain
[4:16] <Sonny_jim> Not really
[4:17] <clever> ive already found one bug where a function in omx just silently hangs if you compile it with the wrong -D flag
[4:17] <Sonny_jim> I'm beginning to think your nick is a clever user of irony ;-)
[4:17] <clever> with cross compiling in the mix, i wouldnt know what to suspect :P
[4:17] <clever> but i do have plans on how to distcc it with less cross compile pains
[4:18] <clever> distcc does the preprocessor directly on the pi, so the remote system has much less impact on the output
[4:18] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's how the Arch people recommend doing it
[4:18] <clever> i would just have to configure distcc to use the cross compiler
[4:18] <shiftplusone> http://archlinuxarm.org/developers/distcc-cross-compiling
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[4:19] <clever> was going to try https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Distcc/Cross-Compiling
[4:19] <clever> i'll read both, after i figure this out: libmpdemux/demux_mov.c:54:42: fatal error: loader/qtx/qtxsdk/components.h: No such file or directory
[4:19] <clever> svn: E070008: Can't read directory '/media/videos/4tb/rpi/redo/mplayer/loader': Partial results are valid but processing is incomplete
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[4:20] <shiftplusone> I didn't give the link as a recommendation of a great guide, just pointing out that that's what they use.
[4:20] <clever> i'll read both and figure out who is better
[4:20] <clever> i'm good at merging that stuff together in my head
[4:20] <shiftplusone> given the "Disclaimer: This guide will appear vague and incomplete if you aren't sure what you're doing. This is intentional. This is specifically not designed for users new to software compilation and toolchain components." message, I don't expect it to be the best option
[4:20] <clever> figure out what every command does, and why its important
[4:20] <clever> and how the puzzle fits together
[4:20] <clever> then customize it to death :P
[4:21] <clever> shiftplusone: have you seen LFR?
[4:21] <clever> LFS*
[4:21] <shiftplusone> yeah, I've been through it a few times
[4:21] <shiftplusone> and CLFS
[4:21] <clever> i ran that on my router for several years
[4:22] <shiftplusone> I've discovered crossdev is quite sensible for such things
[4:22] <clever> ok, ive nuked loader/ and then told svn to repair the whole thing
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[4:22] <clever> now it compiles that file fine
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[4:23] <clever> gentoo guide starts with telling you to fire up crossdev, which ive already got working fully
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[4:25] <clever> shiftplusone: ahhhh, the directions say to modify the one doing the compile, not the slaves
[4:27] <clever> Use of uninitialized value $value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 65, <$__ANONIO__> line 17523.
[4:27] <clever> ok, so why has apt gone nuts
[4:29] <clever> dpkg: error: too-long line or missing newline in `/var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File'
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[4:30] <clever> ok, strange, that File file, is totaly corrupt
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[4:33] <clever> root@pi:/var/lib/dpkg/info# file distcc.postinst
[4:33] <clever> distcc.postinst: VMS Alpha executable
[4:33] <clever> and the post install bash script is too
[4:34] <clever> maybe its time for a new sd card, lol
[4:34] <clever> apparantly, ive killed this one
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[4:39] <C200> Is there an American company that sells stuff from AB Electronics UK?
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[4:58] <clever> [ 7288.833365] EXT4-fs error (device mmcblk0p2): __ext4_ext_check_block:477: inode #61620: comm rs:main Q:Reg: bad header/extent: invalid magic - magic 6f64, entries 24941, max 28265(0), depth 27680(0)
[4:58] <clever> Sonny_jim: again!?, i just ran fsck on it!
[4:58] <shiftplusone> the fun of compiling on sd cards
[4:58] <clever> shiftplusone: nfs isnt helping, its now claiming some files dont exist, right after saying they do
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[7:08] <clever> hmmmm, ive got a neat idea on what i could do with the status light in the pi
[7:08] <clever> cpu usage
[7:08] <clever> raw usage, not just pwm
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[7:08] <clever> directly flip the led from the cpu idle loop
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[7:16] <clever> doh, i dont know the pi password again!
[7:16] <clever> lol
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[7:20] <clever> crap, and i didnt copy the fs right, sudo isnt setuid root
[7:20] <clever> and /home/pi isnt owned by pi
[7:20] <clever> really screwed this one up
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[7:36] <LippyLee_> q
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[7:39] <[Saint]> Oh...oh...I know this game.
[7:39] <[Saint]> r
[7:40] <shiftplusone> s?
[7:40] <[Saint]> You're onto it.
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[7:43] <clever> shiftplusone: what do you think of my cpu usage idea?
[7:44] <shiftplusone> could be handy for some headless applications
[7:44] <clever> 3 ways i could do it
[7:45] <clever> simplest, and worst for compat, is to just hardcode the gpio access into cpu idle
[7:45] <clever> probly wouldnt be accepted as a patch
[7:45] <clever> middle ground would be to use the gpiolib for it, like the lirc_rpi patch
[7:45] <clever> best would be to integrate it into the led framework
[7:45] <clever> then you can select between sd card and cpu at runtime
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[8:11] <clever> well, it must be that time of night
[8:12] <clever> all 100 irc channels i'm in have gone silent at once
[8:15] <[Saint]> Or have they?
[8:16] <[Saint]> And...100?!?
[8:16] <[Saint]> Is that split across multiple networks, or, different clients? Both?
[8:16] <clever> 115 windows in irssi, across ~6 networks
[8:16] <clever> a small chunk are pm windows, but not that many
[8:17] * [Saint] nods
[8:17] <clever> this is 112
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[8:19] <clever> [Saint]: if i'm right about my latest change, i should have gpu decode in mplayer fully working
[8:19] <clever> but ive had to image my sd card 3 times now and ran into fs corruption twice
[8:19] <clever> for what should have been a bloody 5 minute fix
[8:19] <clever> shiftplusone: does that count as a curse word?
[8:19] <[Saint]> Man...you need to do this in emulation.
[8:20] <[Saint]> Like. Need.
[8:20] <clever> [Saint]: gpu decode, emulator doesnt emulate the gpu
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[8:20] <[Saint]> Oh...hahahahaha...yes, indeed.
[8:20] <[Saint]> That should've been shockingly obvious.
[8:20] <[Saint]> Coffee time.
[8:20] <clever> its 3am here
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[8:21] <[Saint]> Oh. Uuuuurgh.
[8:21] <clever> i'm pretty sure its because i'm trying to forcibly convert the video over
[8:21] <clever> and now that i'm using the right header, and the converted video stream
[8:21] <[Saint]> A friend of mine pointed me at the Kano thing. Didn;t realize it made the raspi forum news.
[8:21] <clever> they arent compatible with eachother
[8:21] <[Saint]> Apparently, we're all PC manufacturers.
[8:21] <clever> kano?
[8:21] <[Saint]> Since plugging a keyboard into a raspi apparently == "building a computer" now.
[8:22] <clever> lol
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[8:23] <[Saint]> "look kids, a raspi and a bunch of accessries at a fairly large markup! what a deal!"
[8:23] <[Saint]> ...can't really blame people for wanting to tag onto the market though.
[8:23] <clever> i still have some rather large design choices to make with this omx decode patch
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[8:23] <clever> right now, its imposible to do any overlay on the video
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[8:26] <clever> in theory, i could make it return full video frames, at a performance cost
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[10:27] <liquid-silence> anyone here got chrome os working on a PI?
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[10:54] <liquid-silence> going to try riscos on my pi
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[11:10] <saedelaere> any good c++ lib to read 1-wire driven sensors like ds18b20 temp sensor?
[11:12] <saedelaere> I thought wiringpi would support this, but maybe I was mistaken
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[11:22] <clever> saedelaere: there is kernel support for those modules, so reading it is as simple as reading a text file
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[11:37] <saedelaere> clever: thanks I found it in the file system :)
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[11:41] <liquid-silence> is there better X drivers for the PI yet?
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[11:51] <local> hey all. Can I install and use Zarafa-server on a Rpi? If so, can I use the official package of Zarafa for Debian Wheezy 32bit ?
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[12:00] <ShadowJK> you'd want a package for debian arm
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[12:14] <local> ShadowJK: Do you know if there is a Debian ARM package for Zarafa-Server 7.1.x ?
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[12:15] <ShadowJK> I have no clue what zafara is
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[12:20] <lupinedk> local you could just build it
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[12:22] <local> lupinedk: That's true. I think I will give a try, although I think it will be a hard way to compile and to use it in conjunction with Nginx. We'll see...
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[12:23] <lupinedk> well i always prefer building myself - always sure to have the latest version and the best compatibility
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[12:33] <local> lupinedk: sure, but on the raspberry pi it could be a pain in the ass, I will see. Hope it won't be a mess
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[13:05] <tomboy_> I have a Pi that's down and I can't get to it. I want to try and restart it via the network, but the magic packet doesn't work. Is there an attack that I could perform to force it to restart?
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[13:08] <ShorTie> get a friend to pull the plug and hope the file system is not toast
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[13:11] <Darkwater> hey, I'm having a little bit of a problem here
[13:11] <Darkwater> I'm trying to use my pi with an LG TV over HDMI, but I get no signal
[13:12] <Darkwater> I've tried it with my desktop's monitor, and that works just fine
[13:12] <Darkwater> tvservice -n recognizes the TV
[13:12] <Darkwater> but tvservice -m'CEA' shows only one mode, 640x480, while the TV supports 1920x1080
[13:13] <ShorTie> have you tried having hdmi hooked up, tv on and reboot ??
[13:13] <Darkwater> if I dump edid data with -d and parse it with parse-edid it shows 1080p and 720p modes
[13:13] <Darkwater> ShorTie: yup
[13:13] <Darkwater> tried tons of config.txt setups
[13:13] <Darkwater> and tvservice commands
[13:14] <ShorTie> hmmm....
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[13:15] <ShorTie> tried a fresh image, lol.
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[13:16] <Jusii> Darkwater: tried to force hdmi on?
[13:16] <Darkwater> Jusii: yup
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[13:34] <Darkwater> any other ideas?
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[13:56] <Nefarious___> _BigWings_: your constant disconnecting is starting to get annoying now
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[13:59] * ShorTie snickers
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[14:20] <Nefarious___> See what i mean?
[14:21] <ShorTie> ya, know what cha mean
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[14:40] <Nenor> Hello, can Raspberry Pi handle media server (streaming from RasPi to TV) without problems? I'm talking about HD and 3D films.
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[14:44] <CDR`> Nenor my Rasperry Pi handles 720 and 1080 MKV's (HD) easily. If this is what you were asing?
[14:44] <CDR`> Using XBMC / OpenElec / XBMCntu type software (google)
[14:45] <Nenor> CDR`: Yes, I am serious thinking about buying it, but I wanted to know this before buying it :)
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[14:45] <CDR`> Thought so, there's a million tutorials online on how to put XBMC onto RasperryPi, but each is a little different - I find OpenElect the fastest for me, others however prefer other software.
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[14:46] <Nenor> CDR`: Thank you very much, you made my mind :) One of the future uses of my RasPi is media server and it will be pretty useless for me if it won't be able to stream movies to my TV or PS3.
[14:46] <Nenor> CDR`: in 1080p quality ofc.
[14:47] <CDR`> I have my files on a NAS box, but I think you can stream from a Windows box to your TV in the living room via media sharing
[14:47] <Nenor> CDR`: And have you tried 3D film?
[14:47] <Jusii> afaik there's even preliminary 3D support now
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[14:47] <CDR`> I dont put the files onto the rPi, however have done in the past through USB or USB HD's.
[14:47] <Jusii> or something like that I just saw in omxplayers changelog
[14:47] <Nenor> CDR`: I don't have Windows and my desktop is gaming PC so it is not really effective to use it as 24/7 server
[14:47] <CDR`> How are you planning on watching them? USB
[14:48] <Nenor> CDR`: I will buy USB harddrive and plug it into RasPi
[14:48] <Nefarious___> Gaming PC that isn't windows? Do you use mac os or linux?
[14:48] <Nenor> CDR`: Then power on my TV, connect to media server on RasPi and watch it
[14:48] <Nenor> Nefarious___: No my gaming PC has Windows on it
[14:48] <Nenor> Nefarious___: But since I started uni I haven't played for a while :D
[14:49] <Nefarious___> Nenor: i read the sentences together. My bad :P
[14:49] <CDR`> Nenor you need to make sure the USB HD is either mains powered or draws a low load, so it doesn't cause issues with the rPi
[14:49] <CDR`> Dont' expect to power a 3.5" HD from a single USB port on the rPi :)
[14:49] <Nefarious___> Buy a desktop external hard drive
[14:50] <Nefarious___> Not portable
[14:50] <Nenor> Yeah I know about this :)
[14:50] <CDR`> Good, just making sure you're set up the best way possible
[14:50] <Nenor> I will look for one with own power cable
[14:50] <Nenor> CDR`: Yeah thank you :)
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[14:57] <Nefarious___> Can anyone tell me my original disconnect message?
[14:57] <CDR`> [13:55:40] ::: Quit: (Nefarious___) (~Nefarious@unaffiliated/nefarious---/x-0774223) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[14:57] <Nefarious___> Was there one before that?
[14:58] <CDR`> [13:44:28] ::: Quit: (Nefarious___) (~Nefarious@unaffiliated/nefarious---/x-0774223) (Quit: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there's nothing left to take away.)
[14:58] <CDR`> That was 15 mins ago however
[14:58] <Nefarious___> Thanks :) i got a really odd message my end
[14:58] <Nefarious___> Ill paste it
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[15:02] <Nefarious___> You are now disconnected (recvfrom failed: ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out))
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[15:02] <Nefarious___> Actually it's not that odd
[15:03] <Nefarious___> (I dont know if it sent) You are now disconnected (recvfrom failed: ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out))[13:51] You are now disconnected (recvfrom failed: ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out))
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[15:06] <Perkele> When scp'ing a file over the local network from the pi I barely get 800kb/s. What's the deal?
[15:07] <shiftplusone> and is the cpu usage 100% when you do it?
[15:07] <Perkele> let me check
[15:07] <Perkele> pretty much
[15:07] <Perkele> sshd is at 95%
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> that answers that then
[15:08] <Perkele> so i can't expect more than that?
[15:08] <shiftplusone> not with ssh
[15:08] <shiftplusone> nfs should be a lot better
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[15:08] <Triffid_Hunter> hard to beat http for speed :P
[15:08] <Perkele> makes sense i guess, i assume that's not encrypted
[15:08] <Perkele> alright lets see http
[15:09] <Triffid_Hunter> I've been playing with non-encrypted sshfs lately, works great.. tripled transfer speed between my laptop and my fileserver
[15:09] <Triffid_Hunter> still not as quick as http though
[15:09] <shiftplusone> ooh, didn't know that was possible
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[15:09] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: you need hpn-ssh, then you ssh -o NoneEnabled=yes -o NoneSwitch=yes
[15:10] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: it still does encrypted handshake but then switches to plaintext afterwards
[15:11] <shiftplusone> thanks, I'll look into this hpn-ssh next time I need something like that.
[15:11] <Perkele> sweet with lighttpd i get over 8mb/s
[15:12] <shiftplusone> Perkele, is this from/to the sd card or an external hdd?
[15:12] <Perkele> sd
[15:12] <shiftplusone> sounds about right then
[15:12] <Perkele> thanks
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[15:14] <Jusii> hmm, wonder how that nick fits to this channels family values ;)
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[15:15] <Perkele> sorry
[15:15] <Perkele> i'm not actually finnish
[15:15] <shiftplusone> (after checking with google)... fine by me
[15:15] <Perkele> so i have no feeling for how unappropriate it is
[15:15] <Jusii> but i suppose it's ok then
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[15:18] <Jusii> it has other meanings and I assume google gave that more friendly meaning
[15:19] <Jusii> but I'm just making fun of it, no offense
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[15:19] <shiftplusone> Would be hard/silly to enforce the language policy for all languages, given that this is supposed to be an english channel.
[15:21] <Jusii> true, and was just joking when I saw you cursing in finnish
[15:21] <shiftplusone> >_<
[15:21] <Jusii> noticed afterwards that it was someones nick
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[15:22] <Jusii> but as I said, it has lots of alternative meanings (but mainly one of the most powerful curse words in finnish). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_by_perkele
[15:22] <Jusii> there's one funny / good alternative use of it
[15:24] <Nefarious___> "hmm, wonder how that nick fits into this channels values" now you're just being hypocritical ;)
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[15:29] <Perkele> just for the record, nfs gets ~5mb/s
[15:29] <shiftplusone> would've expected about the same speed
[15:29] <Perkele> as http?
[15:30] <shiftplusone> yeah
[15:30] <Perkele> weird
[15:30] <Perkele> but i think this if fast enough
[15:30] <Perkele> *is
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[15:34] <Jusii> did you do any other tests with sshfs with different ciphers?
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[15:34] <Jusii> wonder how much blowfish is faster than the default 3des
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[15:37] <Perkele> i did not
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[15:38] <Perkele> looks like it's around the same w/ blowfish
[15:39] <Jusii> ok
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[15:42] <Perkele> so why is it only 5mb over nfs? is the cpu still the bottle neck?
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[15:42] <Perkele> that's from an external usb drive now btw
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[15:45] <Jusii> have you made sure that your testfiles aren't cached prior to your testing?
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[15:52] <Perkele> well they definitely weren't cached for the http test
[15:52] <Perkele> and that was the fastest
[15:53] <Perkele> i mean Triffid_Hunter seemed to have expected that result
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[16:00] <Jusii> did a quick test over nfs and got 7MB/s
[16:01] <Perkele> huh
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[16:14] <Jusii> sshfs+blowfish 3MB/s
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[16:18] <gordonDrogon> You should get almost wire speed with NFS.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> that's been my experiences anyway.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> but copying NFS to USB drive might well be slower as it's all over the same USB interface.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> (wire speed being 100Mb/sec or just over 10MB/sec)
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[16:27] <shiftplusone> so.... writing to the sd card over the network is faster than writing to HDD over the network then?
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[16:29] <Jusii> in my test read from sdcard was 20MB/s and 7MB/s over nfs. class 4 card
[16:31] <shiftplusone> what was the cpu usage like?
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[16:32] <Jusii> forgot to check that, but overall load was between 4-5
[16:32] <Jusii> with nfs
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[16:52] <DryEagle> hi guys
[16:53] <DryEagle> i'm setting up my pi as a web server, got everything more or less configured except i need a bit of advice on making it run the server script whenever it reboots
[16:53] <ShorTie> mornin
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[16:53] <DryEagle> it's a thing called server.py sitting in /home/www
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[16:56] <shiftplusone> DryEagle, the cheap and dirty way to do it is to put it in/etc/rc.local
[16:56] <DryEagle> it needs to be in the directory with all the website stuff
[16:56] <DryEagle> i suppose i could move the whole thing?
[16:56] <ShorTie> symlink maybe
[16:57] <DryEagle> i'm not really familiar with linux stuff so as long as that doesn't leave it vulnerable to attack or somesuch
[16:57] <shiftplusone> what needs to be in the directory with the website?
[16:57] <DryEagle> the python script
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[16:58] <shiftplusone> you just put a command to launch your .py file... no need to put the actual python file in rc.local
[16:58] <DryEagle> it specifically said to put it in home/www along with the website
[16:58] <DryEagle> ah ok
[16:58] <DryEagle> how would such a script look? and also, is there a way to make it automatically relaunch if it crashes (not that i expect it would, but you never know)
[16:58] <glycol> now that you've said linux is new to you, does the server.py script just start the server or it does more than that?
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[16:59] <DryEagle> it runs it until i close the console window with it in
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[16:59] <Nefarious___> I had that problem with sourcebot
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[17:00] <DryEagle> http://www.opensourcesoftwarepractice.org/Raspberry-Pi-Web-Server-With-Python/#/13
[17:00] <glycol> because for example you have lighttpd running you just have to 'update-rc.d lighttpd enable' and lighttpd will start on boot
[17:00] <DryEagle> that's the script
[17:00] <glycol> ah
[17:00] <DryEagle> should i be doing it a different way?
[17:01] <DryEagle> the website is just a bunch of pages and images and such, i.e. there's no database or anything
[17:01] <DryEagle> only html/css
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[17:01] <Nefarious___> I did: su - pi -c 'python /home/pi/sourcebot.py' to make it launch on boot in the background
[17:01] <glycol> i tought you're using something like lighttpd and you're launching it from a python script
[17:02] <DryEagle> sorry if i wasn't clear
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[17:03] <mrmoney2012> i got a piface yesterday! not sure what to do with it...
[17:04] <DryEagle> if there's a different way i should be doing it glycol then i'm all ears
[17:04] <DryEagle> but this seems to be working on my local network at least
[17:04] <DryEagle> just gotta configure port forwarding for the router correctly and it should be fine globally
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[17:08] <ShorTie> <DryEagle> it runs it until i close the console window with it in, so start it in screen
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[17:09] <DryEagle> shortie what do you mean
[17:10] <DryEagle> if you could spell this out in really simple terms that would be much appreciated
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[17:11] <ShorTie> screen lets you run command stuff and be able to close the consol window
[17:11] <DryEagle> ok
[17:11] <ShorTie> then you can login and reattach the screen sesion
[17:11] <DryEagle> basically
[17:11] <DryEagle> i just want to set this up
[17:11] <DryEagle> so it runs automatically on boot
[17:11] <DryEagle> then i unplug my screen and everything else
[17:11] <DryEagle> and just put it next to the router with a lan cable sticking in
[17:12] <DryEagle> and forget it's there
[17:12] <DryEagle> and just have it work
[17:12] <DryEagle> that's the plan
[17:13] <ShorTie> ya, that's the plan for most web servers
[17:14] <ShorTie> once you get it all setup, i'd make an image of the sdcard
[17:14] <DryEagle> yep
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[17:15] <DryEagle> ok so all i need at this point is to make it run the server.py when ever it powers up
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[18:51] <DryEagle> ok so i got the server up and running
[18:51] <DryEagle> using lighttpd
[18:51] <DryEagle> and that just works automatic on boot no problem
[18:52] <DryEagle> but my router is being disappointingly-feature-lacking with respect to port forwarding
[18:54] <glycol> does it have upnp?
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[18:57] <DryEagle> it should do
[18:57] <DryEagle> let me see if i can find a upnp setting
[18:58] <nerdboy> even the "better" cisco wifi routers seem to have trouble with port forwarding
[18:58] <DryEagle> well this was a 15 quid one
[18:58] <DryEagle> anyway i've found a workaround solution
[18:58] <DryEagle> stick the pi in dmz
[18:59] <DryEagle> and then it's fine
[18:59] <nerdboy> set it up and at some point it stops working
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[18:59] <nerdboy> until you diddle/save the config and then it works again... for a while...
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[19:00] <DryEagle> well basically it's acting as webserver
[19:00] <DryEagle> meaning default port 80
[19:00] <DryEagle> and guess which port router config defaults to
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[19:00] <DryEagle> but putting it in dmz seems to give it higher priority on the port
[19:01] <nerdboy> port-forward with a real kernel/iptables and it works forever
[19:02] <DryEagle> just to be completely sure, can you check that http://91.125.231.253/ works for you
[19:02] <glycol> works for me
[19:03] <DryEagle> awesome
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[19:03] <DryEagle> well that saves a hundred quid a year on hosting
[19:03] <DryEagle> \o/
[19:03] <DryEagle> now just gotta figure out how to do the dns settings for it
[19:03] <DryEagle> so that the url knows where to point
[19:03] <DryEagle> cause we dont have a static ip
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[19:06] <glycol> there's a free dns service where paying users are sharing their domains for free so you can create a subdomain using their paid domain
[19:06] <glycol> it's https://freedns.afraid.org/
[19:06] <nerdboy> did dyndns.org go bye-bye?
[19:07] <DryEagle> well the address for the site is www.taylor-madeart.com
[19:08] <DryEagle> which is hosted on a web server somewhere atm
[19:08] <DryEagle> but that ends in april and i figure might aswell set it up to host from home
[19:08] <DryEagle> paying only for domain name much cheaper than paying for hosting
[19:08] <DryEagle> btw if you want a free dynamic dns i'd suggest www.noip.com
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[19:13] <glycol> the main advantage of afraid.org is that you can find very short domains like nx.tc
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[19:15] <shiftplusone> noip is better than nx.tc, because people will remember noip since it's quite common
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[19:29] <[SLB]> anyone using webiopi with a custom html file? i tried the example file but doesn't seem to work as i expect hm
[19:29] <Jusii> and 'real domain' doesn't cost much these days, get one and make a cname to dyndns/no-ip hostname
[19:30] <[SLB]> i use dyndns, have noip too but not using them
[19:30] <Jusii> was too lazy to make my own dyndns, so that's what I did
[19:30] <[SLB]> mainly for ease of config, even some routers can keep the record up to date by itself
[19:30] <Jusii> right
[19:31] <[SLB]> i have my own domain so in the end, i made a record in my domain to point to the dyndns :p
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[19:42] <nerdboy> DryEagle: you can pay around $10 US or less for a domain and manage through their dns interface
[19:42] <nerdboy> or you can run your own primary dns server but you should have a secondary that doesn't depend on you
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> I paid $8 I think for a 4-letter domain in .com
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> My stategy was simple.
[19:43] <nerdboy> i think mine is $8 too
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> Setup an auto-sniper on ebay to bid on all 4 letter .com domains at $10
[19:43] <nerdboy> i bypass the vendor and go to opendns (i run my own nameserver)
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[19:44] <nerdboy> share primary/secondary with another gentoo dev
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> yeah - but top level .com
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[19:49] <nerdboy> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: gentoogeek.org. 53811 IN NS ns.gentoogeek.org.
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[19:52] <Jusii> was rackspace even giving free dns to 'everybody'
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[19:53] <SpeedEvil> Domain Name: QKWV.COM
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
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[19:56] * LuisLeite good afternoon
[19:59] <Nefarious___> Good evening
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[20:01] <nerdboy> sorry, opensrs.net
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[20:03] <lord4163> MySQL is slow as hell on the Pi if someone wants to know :P
[20:04] <Nefarious___> phpmyadmin is aswell (i guess its same)
[20:04] <nerdboy> try redis maybe? different kind of db tho...
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[20:05] <nerdboy> if you're starting from scratch, maybe take a look...
[20:05] <lord4163> nerdboy: Need MySQL/MariaDB for my project...
[20:05] <Nefarious___> sqlalchemy in flask (python)
[20:05] <nerdboy> mysql isn't exactly light or fast, unless you have resources
[20:06] <lord4163> Now PHPMyAdmin doesn't even want to load anymore :P
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[20:06] <lord4163> Oh there it is... 5 minutes later :D
[20:06] <nerdboy> there are python redis interfaces
[20:06] <lord4163> No 2002 error
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[20:07] <lord4163> Well I let it sleep tonight, maybe works tommorow :D
[20:07] <nerdboy> just a heads up, we run redis on embedded device and it's pretty fast
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[20:08] <nerdboy> 1 GHz TI chip with just a little more ram than rpi
[20:08] <nerdboy> and the first version ran off an sdcard
[20:09] <lord4163> Well yeah I just took a Pi laying a round on my work, put arch on there so I had a up to date webserver without taking too much power. I'll buy a nice little rack when the application is going for production.
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[20:10] <nerdboy> but redis would fall in the nosql db category, so it's a different kind of animal
[20:10] <lord4163> nerdboy: I'll check that out, but it can only store key-value? Like memcached or so?
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[20:10] <nerdboy> no, it stores everything
[20:11] <nerdboy> well, it's much more than memcached
[20:12] <nerdboy> sleep then read about it and try a few things out
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[20:13] <lord4163> nerdboy: yeah I'm going to watch tv now will definitely check it out and consider it :-)
[20:13] <nerdboy> you'll need one of jemalloc/tcmalloc/libc
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[20:13] <nerdboy> first two being preferred
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[20:14] <nerdboy> libc malloc can collide with zlib zmalloc if you enable async in redis
[20:15] <nerdboy> should be fine with one of the other two...
[20:16] <nerdboy> i have a fork on github that fixes that issue, but it's against 2.4.1 which is pretty old
[20:16] <nerdboy> 2.6.16 is latest in portage
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[20:25] <cbb2296> Anyone have a web based proxy running on their pi?
[20:26] <cbb2296> I am attempting to use PHProxy but it always comes up with an SSL error because i have port 443 forwarded to 80 and can't think of a way around that
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[21:03] <shiftplusone> Hey, could someone running raspbian pastebin the output of 'free' (with only lxde running) ?
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[21:08] <John1001> Hello can someone help me please, i connected my raspberry pi to a NC connect on my alarmsystem (GPIO port 17) and the problem is basically that it is over sensitive
[21:08] <John1001> the raspberry (asterisk installed on it) calls me when the alarm triggers the NC connect (it works) but it also calls me when the alarm doesn't trigger the NC connnect
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[21:09] <John1001> it gives me 1 false alarm every 2 or 3 days
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[21:14] <shiftplusone> is it a long wire connecting the alarm to gpio?
[21:14] <John1001> about probably 3 meters
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[21:14] <shiftplusone> are you using an external pull up resistor?
[21:15] <John1001> a friend of mine used a 0.24 ohms resisters and connected it from the 3.3 V to the GPIO port
[21:15] <shiftplusone> 0.24? O_o
[21:16] <John1001> yes , its a wrong one ? lol
[21:16] <[SLB]> shiftplusone, couldn't do it with only lxde running but i ran it before and after lxde http://pastebin.com/kwFyqiu0
[21:17] <shiftplusone> [SLB], excellent, thanks a lot. What's the split there?
[21:17] <ozzzy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk869dPTxNg
[21:17] <shiftplusone> John1001, I am not 100% sure about these things. Usually the solution is to reduce the resistance, but yours is already terribly low.
[21:18] <John1001> i will try a different resistor
[21:18] <[SLB]> welcome, 128 for the gpu
[21:18] <[SLB]> 512 total
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[21:19] <[SLB]> lxde seems to be using 22mb
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[21:19] <shiftplusone> surprisingly low
[21:19] <[SLB]> i ran it into xephyr, but that shouldn't matter, at most it's upper bounding it eheh
[21:19] <[SLB]> yup nice
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[21:20] <pksato> John1001: and RPi still working? 3.3/0.24=13.75A , or it is a short circuit to 3v3 LDO.
[21:21] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's what has be baffled
[21:21] <shiftplusone> *me
[21:22] <shiftplusone> maybe the resistance of the cable is keeping it going or something?
[21:22] <John1001> pksato : hmm im not sure , its a short ciruit , 3.3V for sure with a resistor between the 3.3 pin and the GPIO pin
[21:22] <pksato> or 0.24Kilo Ohms. or mega
[21:23] <pksato> and GPIO to NC and GND?
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[21:23] <John1001> yes
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[21:25] <John1001> i think i need to google for a decent scheme to connect a NC conntact to the raspberry pi
[21:25] <John1001> i made the python code and can share it with ya'all (no problem)
[21:26] <shiftplusone> I am just not sure why your pi is working at all based on what you have said. How are you powering your pi?
[21:26] <cbb2296> is there an easy way to generate html with python or node.js?
[21:27] <cbb2296> cause i really hate php
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[21:27] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, what do you mean by generate html exactly? Take a look at flask.
[21:27] <John1001> i powered my pi using a 2A 5V powersupply
[21:27] <shiftplusone> which goes to the microusb port?
[21:27] <John1001> yes
[21:28] <shiftplusone> well, I give up then
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[21:28] <pksato> or, resistor burned its self.
[21:28] <John1001> hmm i will disconnect the NC wires to the GPIO port , (i dont want to break my pi()
[21:28] <shiftplusone> that could explain it
[21:28] <cbb2296> @shiftplusone I want to have python that searches a directory for all .mp3 files and generates an html file with links to them. Flask looks like it just might work for me
[21:28] <shiftplusone> yeah, that will work great, cbb2296
[21:29] <cbb2296> @shiftplusone thanks for the suggestion!
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[21:29] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, np
[21:31] <pksato> John1001: use 1k Ohms (1000 Ohms) resistor for pull-up.
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[21:32] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, works great with templates too.
[21:32] <John1001> ok , i will conect a 1k Ohms (1000 Ohms) resistor , can you please tell me how you would connect the wires from the NC alarm contact ? (just to make sure :P)
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[21:32] <shiftplusone> !give John1001 switch
[21:32] <sourcebot> John1001: http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:Switch_Input
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[21:32] <shiftplusone> some circuits there
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[21:33] <shiftplusone> though they may be a little confusing if you're not into electronics.
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[21:34] <John1001> thank you Shiftplusone (the scheme looks indeed a bit confusing but im pretty sure that i connected the NC wires that way
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[21:34] <John1001> so its probably my resistor ...
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[21:34] <shiftplusone> if the resistor is the issue, be sure to slap your friend when you see him
[21:35] <cbb2296> so how do i install python libraries on arch? I feel dumb :(
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[21:35] <John1001> lol Shift
[21:35] <cbb2296> I dont have to compile from source do i
[21:36] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, not a python user myself, but I am sure the answer is there somewhere https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/python
[21:36] <cbb2296> @shiftplusone yup I'm looking at that right now. I love arch's documentation so much
[21:37] <shiftplusone> heh... they actually added "import antigravity" >_<
[21:40] <John1001> hmmm i saw those PIface boards on the internet , or should i get one of those and connect the NC wires to the PIFACE? its alsmost as expensive as the whole raspberry but if its stable ...
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[21:41] <cbb2296> another question for you all. I have port 443 forwarded to my pi apache running on port 80. I'm trying to run PHProxy on that server but it alwars forces SSL. Since my port 443 is forwarded is always gives an ssl error. What can I do?
[21:41] <cbb2296> And I can't forward another port because at my work I can only access ports 80 and 443 and my isp blocks forwarding of 80
[21:42] <John1001> redirect the port
[21:42] * shiftplusone had dejavu
[21:42] <cbb2296> So configure apache to redirect that port then?
[21:42] <John1001> yes or configure the router if thats possible
[21:42] <John1001> i configured my Fritz!box that way
[21:43] <cbb2296> alright ill look into that. thanks
[21:43] <John1001> you're weclome
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[21:52] <rikkib> John1001, I would put a capacitor in circuit if the pin is held high by the nc relay. A 1uf cap would hold the pin if the relay glitches for some reason.
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[21:54] <John1001> rikkib, could you please give me a picture or anything how you would connect it ? we basically connected the NC contact like they connected the button in this picutre: http://hertaville.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/RasberryPiGPIO1.jpg
[21:55] <rikkib> +3.3v ------ NC -------- Com ------- 1kR ------- RPi
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[21:56] <rikkib> com -----| |-------- rpi
[21:57] <rikkib> 1uf bipolar or electroliytic
[21:57] <John1001> omg i feel dumb :) ( i dont understand , sry)
[21:58] <rikkib> +3.3v ------ NC Relay Com ------- 1kR ------- RPi
[21:58] <rikkib> to the common terminal hook a cap that will hold charge should the relay glitch
[21:58] <John1001> ah, (ty) may i know what you mean with Com
[21:59] <rikkib> common
[21:59] <rikkib> relays have no nc and common
[21:59] <John1001> ah OK
[21:59] <John1001> thank you ! now i understand!
[22:00] <rikkib> Experiment with the 1k value
[22:01] <rikkib> you may need to increase if the alarm just pulses the relay when it triggers
[22:01] <rikkib> Normally that is not the case with alarms
[22:01] <John1001> OK
[22:02] <John1001> i will start easy and change the resistor
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[22:03] <cbb2296> i wish the pi came with female GPIO pins
[22:03] <John1001> beacuse of the wires you mean ?
[22:04] <azizLIGHTS> have you guys seen this rpi project with a game controlled by robotic arm
[22:04] <cbb2296> well I have never used the pins in a project because I don't have a breadboard and dont want to solder anything
[22:04] <azizLIGHTS> it was on reddit
[22:04] <cbb2296> yeah thats a cool one aziz
[22:04] <rikkib> A diode to ground may help as well... If induced ac is present on the rpi a diode to ground will snub out minus ac
[22:04] <azizLIGHTS> too bad the arm is down for maintainance, i wanted to play
[22:06] <shiftplusone> so... looks like they managed to get Windows CE running on a pi natively =/
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[22:06] <John1001> wow they did ?
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[22:06] <ShorTie> cool, where ??
[22:06] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58259
[22:07] <shiftplusone> and last page here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=6510
[22:07] <cbb2296> I wouldnt mind running that on my second pi :P
[22:07] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, you monster
[22:07] <cbb2296> the chances of me getting this running are like 0% though dont worry ;)
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[22:08] <John1001> lol same here
[22:09] <cbb2296> woah have you guys heard of TOMAHAWK music player? http://www.tomahawk-player.org/index.html
[22:09] <cbb2296> Searches a bunch of different sources for any song you search and compiles all of them into one library of sorts. Runs on arch too!
[22:10] <rikkib> John1001, For the circuit I draw to work you need to disable the pullup of the pin you use. Most pins do not have pullup enabled... the coms pins do in some cases.
[22:11] <cbb2296> Owncloud is literally the slowest software I have ever seen running on the pi
[22:11] <cbb2296> really not even usable
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[22:11] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, how is it better than playing music locally?
[22:12] <shiftplusone> I wonder how well seafile runs (compared to owncloud).
[22:12] <cbb2296> @shiftplusone It compiles spotify and google music and any servers you have with music on them into one big master library. It's pretty neat but I don't know if it is better than previously existing programs
[22:13] <shiftplusone> meh
[22:13] <cbb2296> I ditched owncloud and just have some php to upload files and list them. Wayyy faster and I can actually use it. Although I miss out on the cool ownlcoud plugins
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[22:13] <shiftplusone> (but I am sure it's handy for people who use spotify and ssuch)
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[22:14] <cbb2296> and honestly using a samba share is way more convenient than the web gui of owncloud
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[22:16] <John1001> yes samba works great on my rpi
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[22:16] <John1001> im also using owncloud on it and can't complain , but can't test it decently over the internet since my upload sucks :-)
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[22:22] <shiftplusone> John1001, owncloud running on your pi?
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[22:23] <John1001> yes
[22:23] <shiftplusone> =/
[22:24] <shiftplusone> I didn't find it at all usable
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[22:24] <John1001> im just testing with it (i dont do anything serious with it at the moment)
[22:24] <John1001> why ? was it slow shift?
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[22:24] <shiftplusone> very much slow.... like timeout slow.
[22:25] <John1001> did you tried the command "top"
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[22:25] <shiftplusone> 'course I spent a fair bit of time trying to figure out what was going on.
[22:26] <John1001> hmm i think the data copy part goes slow
[22:26] <John1001> are you using a USB disk ?
[22:26] <shiftplusone> I am talking about the page load times
[22:26] <John1001> oh ok
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[22:26] <dosch> \o
[22:26] <shiftplusone> hi
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[22:27] <John1001> i will experimetn with it , and keep you informed
[22:27] <nid0> fwiw I had no major problems with owncloud
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[22:27] <John1001> me neither , i didnt saw any problem with it , i used apt-get in order to install apache with PHP5
[22:28] <dosch> anyone here that can answer to irssi questions for me?
[22:28] <cbb2296> I'm with shift here... Owncloud was so slow that it timed out most of the time. It was no where near usable and I didn't think it would be worth my time to try to fix it
[22:28] <John1001> (im using the B version of the rasp)
[22:28] <dosch> *to/two
[22:28] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, what server did you use?
[22:28] <cbb2296> @shiftplusone Apache
[22:28] <shiftplusone> hm
[22:29] <cbb2296> I mean a more lightweight server could maybe yield faster results? I just didn't feel like taking the time to set up another server. Plus it gave me a fun project
[22:29] <shiftplusone> I tried nginx and lighttpd, php was the issue
[22:30] <nid0> you won't significantly improve owncloud performance using anything other than apache2.4, nginx and lighty wont be significantly different
[22:30] <nid0> but then, something evidently caused your installs to run deathly slowly, I didnt see major problems with it
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[22:31] <nid0> but I did have a solidly configured PHP install paired with APC and a thoroughly cached sql backend
[22:32] <cbb2296> I was using the latest PHP, mariaDB and i believe the latest Apache. Now I'm really curious was my problem was
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[22:33] <shiftplusone> APC might be the trick
[22:33] <cbb2296> I know just enough about linux to throw together some projects that work but are horrible designed. So really it is probably user error here for me
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[22:35] <cbb2296> I also tried running the ArkOS version of Arch that was supposed to be focused on 'your personal cloud' and it also had horrible owncloud performance. I got rid of that after like one day
[22:35] <nid0> thats that kickstarter scam right?
[22:36] <cbb2296> I'm pretty sure. It was entirely promoted using buzzwords
[22:36] <nid0> yeah, looks like it is.
[22:36] <shiftplusone> heh, my thoughts exactly
[22:36] <cbb2296> "Personal Cloud" "Take back your data" stuff like that. pretty terrible
[22:37] <nid0> apt get install a few things apparently needs $45,000 of dodgy funding through a private funding website.
[22:37] <nid0> nothanks.
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[22:37] <cbb2296> actually it would be pacman -S ;)
[22:38] <cbb2296> they needed the $45000 to learn a new package manager
[22:38] <nid0> oh, its arch. so pacman -S a few things
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[22:38] <shiftplusone> but... for $125 you get a sticker and a shirt
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[22:39] <cbb2296> A shirt that says: "your data, your rules" hahahahaha that's so terrible
[22:39] <cbb2296> I do like their web design though, it's what drew me in
[22:39] <shiftplusone> can't argue with that
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[22:47] <SpeedEvil> There are a hell of a lot of dodgy things on crowdfunding sites, some of which break the laws of physics.
[22:47] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[22:47] <tntexplosivesltd> but they're innovative!
[22:48] <tntexplosivesltd> have you seen them?
[22:49] <taza> It is true, it's innovative. Nobody has ever released a product that breaks the laws of physics before.
[22:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tellspec-what-s-in-your-food
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[22:50] <taza> Ah yes, Indiegogo
[22:50] <SpeedEvil> It's an optical spectrum analyser that will detect what's in food.
[22:50] <taza> The cheap knockoff of Kickstarter people apparently needed
[22:50] <SpeedEvil> Powered by 'the cloud'
[22:51] <SpeedEvil> Without going into the unfortunate realities that detecting food content is really hard.
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[22:51] <SpeedEvil> You can in principle do the above - but it would be in vacuum with an electron x-ray analysis.
[22:52] <taza> ... yeah, I'm looking at that and it's clear that the entire pitch is "IT'S MAGIC"
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[22:52] <taza> And not "a snickers bar will be defeating this"
[22:53] <SpeedEvil> It's not even going to get that far.
[22:54] <taza> Also, a handheld Class 3A laser.
[22:54] <shiftplusone> I saw an interesting scam where you download positive energy, burn it on a cd and then place a cup of water on the cd (reflective side up of course) to charge the water with positive energy. But then again, if someone falls for that.... I don't even.
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> The fundamental premise is flawed - you basically can't detect gluten in food that way
[22:54] <taza> I know, I know
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[22:54] <taza> I mean, even if it worked, it would STILL fail if the food wasn't uniform.
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> Also - it seems to have missed the fact that a laser is monospectral.
[22:55] <taza> Let's face it, that thing is a red led hooked up to a smartphone app.
[22:57] <plugwash> indiegogo also has "flexible funding" which IMO defeats the entire purpose
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[22:57] <taza> I mean, it's a red led in the prototype units and judging from the images the images of the project founders are fake.
[22:58] <taza> So, it's just "collect money with impossible promises, vanish with the money"
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> She does have very good hair.
[22:58] <taza> Look at the image quality.
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[22:58] <SpeedEvil> There is an air of lolcat about her.
[22:58] <taza> If you were doing a real project you'd at least get a decent image with a decent camera.
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[23:00] <taza> ... heh, you could play "spot the obvious warning signs" with that page for ages.
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[23:02] <taza> The fundamental idea is impossible with current technology, the implementation is ludicrous, the page is full of buzzwords and extra-light on content, and it's technically so poorly done it's clear whoever made it doesn't believe in it either.
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[23:09] <robertj> IMO the fact that nobody escrows crowed funded stuff is madness
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[23:09] <robertj> i'd be a lot more ready to buy something if I thought i'd probably...you know...get what I paid for
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[23:10] <plugwash> wouldn't escrow defeat the object?
[23:10] <mgottschlag> well, at that point nobody would use croud funding any more
[23:10] <plugwash> which is to provide funding to allow the stuff to actually be produced
[23:10] <robertj> plugwash, nope it wouldnt
[23:10] <mgottschlag> because people require traditional funding anyways
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[23:10] <robertj> because for me a committment of funds is enough to make me build software
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[23:11] <mgottschlag> robertj: but for a larger project, you would need quite a bit of money in advance
[23:11] <plugwash> mmm, I was thinking more about hardware
[23:11] <robertj> no i wouldnt, i'd take out a loan
[23:11] <nid0> for most people seeking crowdfunding it wouldnt
[23:11] <robertj> I'd go to the bank
[23:11] <nid0> a commitment to have funds in a year doesnt put food on engineers' tables
[23:11] <robertj> and i'd say 'ive got $x in escrow'
[23:11] <robertj> and they would give me a loan
[23:11] <taza> Yeah, right
[23:11] <mgottschlag> robertj: at that point you would have received traditional funding, that's a totally different project
[23:11] <nid0> why would they?
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> For some hardware, it is plausible to do a prototype cheaply, and have almost no risk in mass production
[23:12] <mgottschlag> robertj: certainly not as easy as that
[23:12] <robertj> mgottschlag, yeah, but from like 10,000 people all of which are sorta easy
[23:12] <robertj> err sortainterested
[23:12] <mgottschlag> because for the bank, this is still very speculatively
[23:12] <nid0> if you say "I have X in escrow that I only get if I deliver the project, can you lend me X till then"
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[23:12] <nid0> may just as well be "can you lend me X, hopefully i'll make it back if I deliver the project"
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[23:12] <robertj> nid0, there wouldn't be a hopefully, that's what he escrow is for
[23:12] <mgottschlag> indeed
[23:12] <mgottschlag> robertj: huh? what if you cannot deliver
[23:13] <nid0> the hopefully is actually delivering the project.
[23:13] <taza> robertj: Not really thinking this through are you?
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[23:13] <robertj> mgottschlag, then the bank doesn't get the money so they better be smart
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[23:13] <mgottschlag> that's the main point of funding - getting money to *try* to do something
[23:13] <robertj> that's why they would presumably be charging interest on their loans
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[23:13] <taza> robertj: It would be trivially easy to scam the bank this way, and it's just as easy to get a loan in the first place.
[23:13] <mgottschlag> so, the bank would have to do normal funding, according to normal funding rules
[23:13] <nid0> the whole point of kickstarter is to fund projects that cant be funded through traditional means
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[23:13] <mgottschlag> so your crowd funding scheme won't help at all
[23:14] <nid0> if you then have to get that traditional funding to cover the escrow period
[23:14] <robertj> mgottschlag, it would because it would have a demonstrable source of income
[23:14] <nid0> whats the point of the crowdfunding?
[23:14] <mgottschlag> robertj: but only if it succeeds
[23:14] <taza> robertj: EXCEPT THE ESCROW ISN'T ANYTHING BUT POTENTIAL INCOME
[23:14] <taza> That IS the problem here.
[23:14] <mgottschlag> *potential* is the magic word here
[23:14] <robertj> yes but banks deal in potential all th time
[23:14] <nid0> yeah, thats why loans exist
[23:14] <taza> Yeah, those are TRADITIONAL LOANS.
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> robertj: Ideally, they do.
[23:15] <nid0> and crowdfunding exists for when loans arent made available.
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> robertj: Not all people appear credible to banks.
[23:15] <robertj> yes, and I would go out and take out a traiditional loan today if i had a contract for $x
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> robertj: And banks are often very reluctant to loan outside of their normal buisness
[23:15] <taza> Except the bank wouldn't give you a loan.
[23:15] <taza> Because you're not someone they think they can trust.
[23:15] <robertj> taza, yeah they would. I could go apply for a small business loan today
[23:16] <taza> You could go *apply*, yes.
[23:16] <robertj> I got hoes I could mortgage
[23:16] <robertj> homes
[23:16] <robertj> no hoes to mortgage
[23:16] <nid0> then you dont need crowdfunding.
[23:16] <robertj> i got real property that they can coe and take away from me if i dont pay up
[23:16] <ripzay> i may be getting it all wrong here, but don't kickstarted projects only get their money when the funding goal gets reached ?
[23:16] <ripzay> not trickle fed as it comes
[23:16] <taza> Well, yeah, if you have collateral enough to cover the loan.
[23:16] <SpeedEvil> robertj: There are lots of reports in the UK at least of small buisnesses having _major_ problems getting bank loans.
[23:16] <nid0> you have a tangible asset you can put up as collatteral for your crackpot idea, so the banks dont really mind how crackpot your idea is.
[23:16] <mgottschlag> ripzay: no, the thing is about actually finishing the project here
[23:16] <taza> ripzay: On Kickstarter, yes. On IndieGogo, no.
[23:16] <ripzay> which is almost escrow
[23:16] <robertj> nid0, nope. If i knew my idea would make $xxx I would quit my day job :P
[23:17] <ripzay> fair enough
[23:17] <robertj> nid0, crowd funding would be one way of knowin the demand was there
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[23:17] <taza> Which would take out the entire idea of crowdfunding
[23:17] <mgottschlag> yeah, but a regular business analysis probably would be cheaper than paying the crowdfunding website
[23:17] <ripzay> you also have to remember here though.. projects that do really well when crowd funded often get good press, and lots of traditional investment follows
[23:17] <robertj> i don't trust regular business analysis for niche software
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[23:18] <robertj> if i did i'd go hire one
[23:18] <taza> Well this isn't about who you trust, this is about who the bank trusts.
[23:18] <nid0> I cant see how you fail to grasp this. You think that all crowdfunding should use escrow because there might be a tiny tiny fraction of crowdfunding projects that have an idea, have tangible assets they can put up as collateral to get traditional funding, and dont actually need the crowdsourced funding as a result but just want to see what demand's like.
[23:18] <cbb2296> I just watched that tellspec video... wtf are they thinking
[23:18] <nid0> you dont seem to be understanding the whole entire reason crowdfunding exists
[23:18] * ripzay crowdfunds for some new trainers
[23:18] <robertj> nid0, I'm not saying what everyone should do, I'm saying what kind of crowdfunding _I_ would participate in
[23:19] <taza> robertj: You'd participate in crowdfunding when it isn't crowdfunding because you fundamentally misunderstand banks and loans?
[23:20] <nid0> if you only crowdfund something thats already fully fundable through bank loans and you want to be positive you get what you pay for
[23:20] <nid0> thats just called buying it when they start actually selling it.
[23:20] <robertj> nid0, yeah but your contarcting to buy
[23:20] <robertj> so that's the difference. The escrow company has the money
[23:20] <nid0> yes, but why bother. you could just buy it.
[23:20] <robertj> nid0, if it existed you could
[23:21] <nid0> it will exist, they got funded through a mortgage.
[23:21] <nid0> problem solved, no crowdfunding needed.
[23:21] <robertj> nid0, no, the point is your telling a producer to go take out that mortgage and create what you want
[23:21] <taza> Except again the crowdfunding is pointless here
[23:21] <robertj> you are saying 'man that would be cool, there is $x at the escrow company with your name on it if you go out and build that'
[23:22] <nid0> in other words thats just a preorder, or registering interest.
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[23:22] <robertj> its a preorder + third party verification yes
[23:22] <nid0> which is preordering, not crowdfunding
[23:22] <robertj> so your money is already out of your hands and not in the pockets of the creator
[23:22] <robertj> and thats not preordering
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[23:22] <robertj> if you preorder from me today and i go bankrupt, guess when you get your cash back?
[23:23] <robertj> never. If you escrow and I go bank-rupt you get all your cash back
[23:23] <nid0> as soon as I contact my card company and say "section 75 refund please"
[23:23] <robertj> nid0, sorry i'm bankrupt i dont have anything to give oyu
[23:23] <urs> Anybody else experience severe SD card problems since the Kernel update to 3.10.18?
[23:23] <nid0> you dont need to
[23:23] <nid0> the card company is liable
[23:23] <nid0> thats why section 75 protection exists
[23:23] <taza> robertj: Are you just trolling
[23:23] <taza> ?
[23:24] <urs> with firmware 8234d5148aded657760e9ecd622f324d140ae891 (before the kernel update) my pi works fine, but any newer firmware and it doesn't even boot anymore.
[23:24] <urs> (just hangs with "MMC0: Controller never released inhibit bits" when "Mounting local file systems")
[23:24] <robertj> also, don't credit card processors typically forwn on preorders?
[23:24] <taza> This discussion is flooding the channel and it is obviously not going anywhere. I vote we just collectively ignore robertj.
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[23:24] <robertj> it's certainly gone off topic
[23:25] <robertj> so next pressing order of business to the floor?
[23:25] <cbb2296> this is all because i brought up arkos. im so sorry :(
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[23:25] <cbb2296> but it's sadly funny
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[23:26] <DryEagle> hi, quick question, is there any way to log into a raspberry pi externally (via network)?
[23:26] <DryEagle> i mean just with what it comes with stock
[23:26] <DryEagle> or do i have to install extra softwares for that
[23:26] <shiftplusone> DryEagle, it's called ssh and is enabled by default.
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> DryEagle: it doesn't normally come with any software
[23:26] <robertj> DryEagle, so short story, yeah, via terminal
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> DryEagle: What is available will depend on what SD card you use, and what OS is on it
[23:27] <DryEagle> its the raspian os card they sell with i t
[23:27] <robertj> DryEagle, so short story, yeah, via terminal
[23:27] <DryEagle> any recommendation on a windows ssh client then?
[23:27] <robertj> PuTTY
[23:27] <DryEagle> ah of course
[23:28] <robertj> and most routers will let you log in and see the dhcp client table to get the ip if your hostnames aren't resolving
[23:28] <DryEagle> i know the internal ip
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[23:30] <ziddey> what sort of throughput are you guys seeing with vpn tunnels?
[23:30] <ziddey> i just tested pptpd with and without encryption. with encryption, i got around 16/11. without, 22/19
[23:31] <DryEagle> yep, working, thanks
[23:31] <ziddey> i remember setting up a 6in4 tunnel in the past and saw around 30mbps. really hoping to get up to those numbers with a vpn somehow
[23:31] <DryEagle> any recommended ssh client for android?
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[23:33] <DryEagle> eh i 'll just grab the first one off the market for now ;)
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[23:36] <DryEagle> ok well i'm glad i realised to change that
[23:36] <DryEagle> i did a very silly thing
[23:36] <DryEagle> forgot to set a change root password
[23:36] <DryEagle> on pi that's sitting there with full internet accessability
[23:36] <DryEagle> :D
[23:37] <DryEagle> someone could totally have pulled some shenanigans there
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[23:39] <DryEagle> can i use ssh to upload files to it?
[23:40] <DryEagle> aha google shows the way
[23:40] <DryEagle> anyway thanks for the help shift/speed/robert
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[23:41] <tntexplosivesltd> drobban: by default you can't ssh in to root over the internet
[23:41] <tntexplosivesltd> I would advise you to keep it that way
[23:41] <cbb2296> you can do sftp over port 22
[23:41] <tntexplosivesltd> as root?
[23:42] <tntexplosivesltd> oh
[23:42] <tntexplosivesltd> drobban: sorry wrong person
[23:42] <cbb2296> no sorry answering his qestion
[23:42] <tntexplosivesltd> he left
[23:42] <tntexplosivesltd> I didn't notice
[23:42] <tntexplosivesltd> :P
[23:42] <cbb2296> oh me neither hahah oops
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[23:44] <DryEagle> oh and one more question
[23:44] <DryEagle> i'm going to be changing the default 4gb card to one with more capacity, 32 or more
[23:44] <DryEagle> anything i should look for specifically
[23:45] <DryEagle> ?
[23:45] <ziddey> a usb stick instead
[23:45] <taza> I'd get a Kingston Class 10 card.
[23:45] <cbb2296> yeah or an external harddrive, anything like that
[23:45] <taza> (I've got a 16gb one already)
[23:45] <cbb2296> I got a kingston class 10 64gb and i love it so far with my pi
[23:46] <DryEagle> i just need it to have a bit more storage so i can use it as personal ftp server too
[23:46] <DryEagle> instead of relying on dropbox etc
[23:46] <ziddey> amazon was having some good deals on transcend sd cards the other day. don't know if they still do
[23:46] <robertj> DryEagle, how much storage you need?
[23:46] <DryEagle> 32gb would suffice
[23:46] <cbb2296> The 64gb card is the easiest solution since it's just plug and play
[23:46] <taza> A Kingston 16gb Class10 card is cheap - a 32gb is less cheap but still easy enough
[23:46] <DryEagle> ok
[23:46] <cbb2296> no configuring or mounting or anything like that
[23:47] <robertj> I know this is anathema but if webdav access is sufficeint you might just look at Skydrive
[23:47] <taza> Bigger than 32gb might be... problematic
[23:47] <tntexplosivesltd> DryEagle: by default you can't ssh in to root over the internet
[23:47] <cbb2296> I'm using my 64gb card as a torrentbox and it seems to work perfectly
[23:47] <DryEagle> tnt i just did
[23:47] <tntexplosivesltd> internet, or locally?
[23:47] <cbb2296> and I got it for 50% off on amazon
[23:47] <DryEagle> internet
[23:47] <DryEagle> using my phone
[23:47] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, that's bad
[23:47] <DryEagle> which i disabled wifi
[23:47] <DryEagle> so it was on 3g internet
[23:47] <tntexplosivesltd> right
[23:48] <taza> cbb2296: A 64gb card won't work with everything.
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[23:48] <tntexplosivesltd> you really shouldn't be able to, it's a security risk
[23:48] <cbb2296> taza I've yet to run into any difficulties and I've installed everything I need for the time being
[23:48] <tntexplosivesltd> have an account that can still write to the storage device, but isn't root
[23:48] <DryEagle> well i set a good long password on it
[23:48] <taza> 32gb is a border for SD cards, where the standard changes.
[23:48] <cbb2296> what would you expect not to work?
[23:48] <taza> cbb2296: Go look up the SD card standards
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[23:49] <taza> Your sample size is too small for your personal experiences to mean anything
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[23:49] <DryEagle> so any class 10 card will do? why kingston specifically?
[23:49] <cbb2296> Taza I know that 32gb is the line essentially but it works fine with everything i've tried. I don't think arch linux has any problems with cards of that size
[23:49] <cbb2296> ill do research
[23:49] <taza> Kingston's reliable and cheap.
[23:49] <DryEagle> looking at http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/B006E14R94/ or http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003VNKNF0
[23:49] <DryEagle> either of them would work just fine right?
[23:50] <taza> Transcend oughta work. I don't especially like 'em, but.
[23:50] <cbb2296> first link is dead for me
[23:50] <taza> That other link's dead
[23:50] <DryEagle> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006E14R94/
[23:50] <cbb2296> I love my kingston. I bought a cheaper brand and it died on me
[23:50] <DryEagle> that was the other one
[23:50] <DryEagle> same thing same price different company
[23:50] <taza> Don't get Integral
[23:50] <cbb2296> Id go for the transcend over that
[23:51] <DryEagle> ok
[23:51] <taza> Just pay the £2 extra and get Kingston, honestly
[23:51] <cbb2296> you could also buy a sd card reader for one of the usb ports
[23:51] <cbb2296> and have that much more storage
[23:51] <DryEagle> well if i was gonna do that i'd just get a usb stick
[23:51] <DryEagle> i just dont want it on separate drives, that's more hassle
[23:52] <robertj> btw why not a powered external hard drive?
[23:52] <DryEagle> ah here we go: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0087ECDH4/
[23:52] <cbb2296> external drives are indeed more work
[23:52] <DryEagle> same price kingston one
[23:52] <taza> Kingston's reliable
[23:52] <taza> That's why people recommend it
[23:52] <cbb2296> i still cant get my FAT32 2tb drive to work with arch and i really dont want to format it
[23:52] <robertj> if you cant add an mtab entry you dont have any business running your own server at home
[23:52] <DryEagle> ok so when i buy that card
[23:52] <DryEagle> what do i do to make it work
[23:53] <DryEagle> i have a windows pc with a card reader
[23:53] <DryEagle> and my current 4gb card plugged into the pi
[23:53] <taza> Just write the image on it
[23:53] <DryEagle> simple instructions for stupid man please
[23:53] <taza> Using noobs is fine if you don't care about preserving your old install
[23:53] <cbb2296> you may want to use noobs, or use piwriter
[23:53] <DryEagle> i want to mirror the old card onto the new one
[23:53] <DryEagle> then the old one will sit in a drawer as backup
[23:53] <cbb2296> youll need to make an image of that one
[23:53] <taza> Not worth doing
[23:54] <taza> The backup would be rapidly out of date
[23:54] <DryEagle> it's not going to change
[23:54] <cbb2296> with some kind of disk utility and then burn that .iso on to the new stick
[23:54] <DryEagle> it's just going to sit there for a few years showing a website to the internet
[23:54] <DryEagle> no interaction with it besides giving it power and cable to the router
[23:54] <taza> You'll still want to update it
[23:54] <DryEagle> why bother?
[23:55] <cbb2296> well if you ever do update you can always clone the drive again
[23:55] <DryEagle> and yes, there is that
[23:55] <cbb2296> 32gb wont take all that long to clone
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[23:55] <DryEagle> the core stuff won't go over the 4gb anyway
[23:55] <DryEagle> the rest is just so i can use it as remote file storage
[23:56] <cbb2296> well be aware that you wont be able to backup only that 4gb
[23:56] <cbb2296> youll have to clone and then burn the entire drive
[23:56] <DryEagle> oh
[23:56] <DryEagle> i see
[23:56] <DryEagle> well ok ignoring all that
[23:56] <DryEagle> what do i use to clone the current 4gb onto the new 16gb card
[23:57] <DryEagle> just as a one way thing
[23:57] <cbb2296> http://lifehacker.com/how-to-clone-your-raspberry-pi-sd-card-for-super-easy-r-1261113524
[23:57] <DryEagle> thanks much
[23:57] <cbb2296> no problem
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