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IRC Log for 2013-11-25

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[0:01] <DryEagle> ok also, since i am able to log into the root account via ssh, i can totally do all installing of new software and everything using that commandline, and dont need to actually physically connect to the pi for anything else now right?
[0:01] <DryEagle> i mean at least for stuff that doesn't need gui stuff
[0:01] <DryEagle> or will there still be restrictions on what it will let me do
[0:01] <cbb2296> nope you shouldnt need to
[0:01] <cbb2296> just the apt-get install command to install things and youll be good to go
[0:01] <DryEagle> yep
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[0:02] <DryEagle> also i just found a spare 8gb usb stick so i'm gonna try and just set up that for thiss http://jack.minardi.org/raspberry_pi/replace-dropbox-with-bittorrent-sync-and-a-raspberry-pi/
[0:02] <DryEagle> and leave the memory card as is
[0:02] <cbb2296> Honestly I dont see the need for bt sync when you can accomplish the same thing with a web server and samba
[0:03] <cbb2296> but whatever works for you
[0:03] <DryEagle> well as far as i can tell btsync makes it easy to usee
[0:03] <DryEagle> plus there's android versions
[0:03] <DryEagle> which is important to me
[0:04] <cbb2296> fair enough. it does look good visually
[0:04] <DryEagle> and aside from bandwidth it shouldn't cause any problems for my website running on lighttpd right?
[0:04] <cbb2296> nope not at all
[0:05] <DryEagle> great
[0:05] <cbb2296> unless you have them both running on the same port but that wouldnt make any sense
[0:05] <DryEagle> well the server is just using the default 80
[0:05] <cbb2296> im guessing lighttpd runs on 80?
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[0:05] <cbb2296> yup youll be fine
[0:05] <rymate1234> how does mathematica run on a Pi?
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[0:05] <cbb2296> and youll need to port forward somethign to your pi's internal address:80
[0:06] <cbb2296> to see your site externally like you want
[0:06] <DryEagle> well i can see the website already
[0:06] <DryEagle> that's all set up and working
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[0:06] <DryEagle> rymate, far as i can tell, there isn't an ARM version of mathematica
[0:07] <cbb2296> you can see it internally. I know you mentioned something about your phone's 3g connection. Im assuming you tried going to the site on your phone?
[0:07] <DryEagle> so you'd have to run it in an x86 emulator meaning it will be slow as a dying penguin
[0:07] <cbb2296> there is a mathematica for raspbian that is free as of a few days ago
[0:07] <DryEagle> yes cbb the website is accessible from internet
[0:07] <chris_99> DryEagle, mathematic is coming to pi
[0:07] <chris_99> *mathematica
[0:07] <DryEagle> ah nice
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[0:07] <rymate1234> DryEagle, it's already here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=94
[0:08] <DryEagle> i was just going with google
[0:08] <DryEagle> seems they're not up to date
[0:08] <rymate1234> ah
[0:08] <DryEagle> what i really wish there was was a arm version of teamspeak3 server
[0:08] <rymate1234> why not use a free and open source alternative such as mumble?
[0:08] <rymate1234> :)
[0:09] <DryEagle> i use all 5
[0:09] <DryEagle> but i personally prefer teamspeak
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[0:09] <DryEagle> it sounds smoother, is easier to configure the settings, has nicer server layout options and scales much better to large numbers of people
[0:09] <DryEagle> in my experience
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[0:10] <rymate1234> i might reinstall my Pi's software
[0:10] <DryEagle> none of the other teamspeak-clones perform well when you put 2000 people in a room
[0:10] <cbb2296> im sure 2000 people in one room wouldnt perform well on a pi either
[0:11] <DryEagle> no, probably not
[0:12] <DryEagle> i'm finding all this stuff really interesting, anyway
[0:12] <rymate1234> aw fuck
[0:12] <DryEagle> probably going to move to linux in a couple more years
[0:12] <DryEagle> once mantle and all that stuff is working properly
[0:12] <DryEagle> valve are doing a good job on pushing it through
[0:12] <cbb2296> im a big fan of arch linux on my headless pi
[0:13] <cbb2296> obviously not something i could game on but it's so smooth and easy to use
[0:13] <cbb2296> and lightweight. Nothing comes pre-installed and it boots almost instantly.
[0:13] <DryEagle> yea i mmeant for my gaming pc
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[0:14] <DryEagle> been looking around at viable windows-replacement os's
[0:14] <DryEagle> netrunner's caught my eye the most so far
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[0:15] <TheCommieDuck> so my pi is claiming to use 100% cpu (and refuses to reboot on sudo reboot and is generally really slow), but top returns nothing intensive. It's only really happened now. Any idea?
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[0:15] <cbb2296> anyone done anything cool with node.js?
[0:16] <dosch> @cbb2296 is arch comparable to arkOS?
[0:16] <TheCommieDuck> I'm thinking of just reinstalling raspbian entirely now I know how to get openvpn/deluge/samba to work.
[0:16] <cbb2296> arkos is base don arch
[0:16] <cbb2296> arch is just a super lighweght linux flavor that only comes with a package manager
[0:16] <cbb2296> *based on
[0:16] <dosch> ok, I heard some good things about arkOS, and was considering to replace Wheezy for ArkOS
[0:17] <cbb2296> I was not a fan of arkOS. It is in some ways a scam
[0:17] <pwillard> do you have the 512 or 256?
[0:17] <dosch> ah? care to elaborate?
[0:17] <dosch> why a scam?
[0:18] <cbb2296> dosch they set up their own version of kickstarter to fund ArkOS and raised around $40,000. The scam part is that they really didnt need that much money for what their product is. You can configure your own clean install of arch linux just like Arkos for free in a few hours
[0:19] <cbb2296> They emphasize "your own personal cloud" and other buzzwords like that but it is just arch linux with a collection of free programs installed on it
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[0:19] <dosch> so 40.000 for a nice campaign and website to promote it ;-)
[0:19] <cbb2296> exactly. Basically $40,000 of profit
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[0:20] <dosch> hm. still. I'll have a look at the arkos and judge it on its own merits, instead of how it was conceived
[0:20] <dosch> ie. does it do the job
[0:21] <dosch> (job = make my life more easy)
[0:21] <cbb2296> I uninstalled it after about a day because it didnt auto configure anything right for me. It turned out to be more of a hassle to fix what it started than to start with a clean isntall of arch linux and make my own
[0:22] <cbb2296> the web ui does look very clean and it has some good features. It may work better for you though so dont let me stop you from trying it
[0:22] <dosch> :-) will do
[0:22] <dosch> I am completly new to all of this
[0:22] <dosch> second day on my Pi, just learned irsii and screen today. Was already a big step :-)
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[0:24] <cbb2296> I had never actually heard of either of those
[0:24] <TheCommieDuck> meh, I'll just wipe the
[0:24] <TheCommieDuck> whole thing and start again
[0:24] <dosch> cbb2296 the client and setup I use to connect to this IRC channel
[0:24] <dosch> mispelled btw, its irssi
[0:24] <cbb2296> oh youre on your pi right now? Thats pretty darn cool
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[0:25] <dosch> well, I am on my mac, using ssh and screen and irssi
[0:25] <dosch> so. uhm, I am on my pi, but I am typing on my mac, i guess ;-)
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[0:26] <cbb2296> hahaha that actually sounds like something i want to try
[0:26] <dosch> it's pretty darn cool
[0:26] <cbb2296> does anyone know of a web based ssh shell type thing?
[0:26] <dosch> I can take over this irc client from my iPhone, work computer, iPad or any other place.
[0:26] <cbb2296> I was looking at shellinabox but it looked like a lot of work to get running on the pi
[0:27] <dosch> cbb2296: try this http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi/
[0:28] <cbb2296> dosch I like the look of that a lot. Im using the webchat on freenode and i dont know if i want to bother seting up irssi but it looks so cool
[0:28] <cbb2296> Im tempted to stop my current project
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[0:29] <dosch> well. As I said, this is my second day on my pi, and it is runnign already
[0:29] <cbb2296> I just dont use IRC very much
[0:29] <dosch> yesterday i set up irssi and screen in two hours
[0:29] <dosch> ah yeah, well.
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[0:30] <cbb2296> going thorugh your pi and being able to access anywhere is definitely neat though
[0:30] <dosch> yeah, and take over the current session with screen is nice
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[0:32] <DryEagle> ok so i plugged usb into the pi, how do i make it detect or mount it or whatever it needs to do, it doesn't show up on df -h
[0:32] <dosch> cbb2296: that said and done. this message was written on my iphone. last message was on my mac. you wont even be able to tell the difference :-D
[0:33] <cbb2296> haha thats really neat
[0:34] <dosch> yeah, anyway. as said I am pretty new to all this. bit you can tell me if all these debian packages also run on arch amd arkos?
[0:35] * dosch makes typos because small iphone keyboard...
[0:35] <cbb2296> anything that runs on arch linux will run on arkos through a terminal
[0:35] <cbb2296> Most debian packages are also hosted on arch's repo
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[0:36] <dosch> cool
[0:36] <cbb2296> so the answer is yes but they occasionally have different names
[0:36] <dosch> well, for now i'd be happy if screen and irssi work
[0:36] <dosch> and later stuff like tor and openvpn
[0:37] <cbb2296> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNU_Screen
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[0:37] <cbb2296> all of those should work fine
[0:38] <cbb2296> silverlight destroys my mac's battery
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[0:38] <DryEagle> ah i see now
[0:38] <DryEagle> i had to install an extra thing
[0:38] <DryEagle> cause it was wrong file system
[0:39] <DryEagle> does it matter if i mount the usb stick to sda1 or sdb1, different google results are saying different
[0:40] <cbb2296> youll need to see which usb port you have it plugged into i think
[0:40] <cbb2296> i have no clue though dont listen to me
[0:40] <DryEagle> ah well it seems to have worked without an error this time
[0:43] <DryEagle> ok so it's all working so far
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[0:45] <cbb2296> well thats good
[0:45] <dosch> is there a way to check powerconsumption of the pi from cli?
[0:46] <dosch> or cpu load?
[0:46] <Triffid_Hunter> dosch: 'top'
[0:46] <dosch> thnx
[0:46] <cbb2296> that is really cool
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[0:47] <dosch> and to kill a process?
[0:47] <cbb2296> killall processname ?
[0:47] <cbb2296> lol never tried that sorry idk if it works
[0:47] <cbb2296> thats what i know from my mac
[0:47] <dosch> haha, when is asked i thought.. hmmm
[0:47] <oldtopman> "killall -KILL <name of process>"
[0:48] <oldtopman> You'll see "kill -9 <process id>", but the process id is a little harder to find.
[0:48] <oldtopman> dosch: ^
[0:49] <ilreh_> ps aux | grep programname
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[0:52] <cbb2296> i still want to do something cool with nod.js
[0:52] <cbb2296> node
[0:52] <cbb2296> i need ideas now that i have my project almost completed
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[0:53] <cbb2296> this is cool: http://www.gnewt.at/blog/2013/09/christmas-lights-with-node-js-arduino-raspberry-pi/
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[0:55] <Maspry> Evening all :)
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[0:57] <Maspry> Does anyone have experience of ddns on rpi? I am having problems finding nsupdate in bind9
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[0:58] <cbb2296> anyone know anything about building GUIs with chromium. Like how i could build an easy full screen gui for my pi?
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[1:04] <Maspry> cbb2296: not sure here sorry, do not have a lot of experience with chromium. are you just trying to get the pi to open it full screen on boot to a page?
[1:04] <cbb2296> Maspry yup im running arch and i just want to use chromium full screen as a gui of sorts made from html
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[1:07] <Maspry> cbb2296 have you seen the xdotool to send key f11?
[1:08] <cbb2296> that seems interesting. When I install chromium can i kinda boot into it? I want it to work kinda like the startx command on raspbian but booting to my own gui
[1:09] <cbb2296> I guess i dont understand how chromium works at all. I dont have a gui installed on my pi right now so how can i start it is what im askign i guess
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[1:09] <cbb2296> Maspry ^
[1:10] <cbb2296> how do i check free space on my card
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[1:10] <Maspry> have you tried startx
[1:11] <cbb2296> im running arch not raspbian so i dont have a gui at all
[1:11] <Maspry> ahh i see
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[1:12] <Maspry> what about afce4?
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[1:14] <cbb2296> well shoot. My 64gb card is actually beginning to cause problems just like I was hpoing wouldnt happen earlier. It claims to only be 1.8 gbs
[1:14] <Maspry> xfce4 even sorry
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[1:16] <Maspry> I recall seeing something about this and how the card is formatted
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[1:18] <Maspry> I think you could perhaps use a partition tool to resize it ?
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[1:20] <Maspry> gparted may do the job
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[1:21] <cbb2296> i could but then I would have to get up and actually move for the first time today
[1:21] <Maspry> lol
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[1:22] <bitplane> 'sup rpi. where can I learn me some electronics other than begging for scraps in here?
[1:22] <cbb2296> I suppose I shouodl though. I might switch to a different card or something
[1:22] <cbb2296> you could learn python the hard way
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[1:22] <bitplane> I'm already good at software
[1:23] <bitplane> I wanna know what a pull up and down resistor is, and why I do/don't need a separate ground for each button
[1:23] <Triffid_Hunter> bitplane: amasci.com/ele_edu.html then allaboutcircuits.com
[1:23] <Maspry> cbb2296: sorry could not help more, need to get back to my bind9 nsupdate prob catch ya later
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[1:23] <bitplane> awesome thanks Triffid_Hunter
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[1:23] <cbb2296> Alright thanks htough Maspry have fun
[1:23] <Maspry> cbb2296 u2
[1:24] <oldtopman> bitplane: There's also ##electronics here.
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[1:26] <bitplane> dafuq http://amasci.com/elect/poynt/figa.gif
[1:26] <cbb2296> bitplane it's really quite self explanatory
[1:27] <cbb2296> the electricity goes in and then performs witchcraft and there you have it
[1:27] <bitplane> I did a bit of electronics in school but I can't remember most of it. I remember Ohm's law and stuff
[1:27] <bitplane> and I can wire a plug
[1:28] <bitplane> and oh crap I left the soldering iron on downstairs
[1:28] <bitplane> brb
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[1:58] <Emi> hi
[1:59] <cbb2296> Hey
[1:59] <Emi> want to talk about non tech stuff?
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[2:02] <SpeedEvil> Emi: In broad - no. Let's keep it on topic.
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[2:03] <Emi> oh
[2:04] <pksato> Is about Raspberry Pi?
[2:04] <bitplane> here's a thought. I'm stuck in a hotel room all week. Reckon a soldering iron will set the fire alarms off?
[2:04] <bitplane> or should I just work on software while away?
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> bitplane: Generally not, but...
[2:06] <bitplane> but it would be embarrassing and selfish to empty a hotel because I couldn't wait until the weekend
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[2:06] <bitplane> would make a cool story though
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[2:07] <bitplane> "remember that time you got stabbed by a trucker for evacuating the cheapest hotel in town? LOL!"
[2:07] <pksato> bitplane: That you plan to heat with solder iron?
[2:08] <bitplane> erm just soldering two i2c things, a few resistors and some switches
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[2:11] <pksato> I suspect that solder flux and other chemical on solder processing not have high density of gas that to triger alarm.
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[2:19] <bitplane> superb, thanks
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[2:22] <pksato> But have a super-sensible smoking detector...
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[3:00] <basichash> How can I the linux kernel on my pi?
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> Just like you shot web.
[3:02] <RiXtEr> bitplane, if its a cheap enough hotel do they even have smoke detectors?
[3:02] <RiXtEr> ;)
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[3:02] <bitplane> lol yeah fraid so
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[3:13] <bitplane> what's the maximum number of buttons I can attach to a raspberry pi?
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[3:14] <SpeedEvil> bitplane: 256M^2
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> err - 512M^2
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> oops.
[3:14] <bitplane> uh I mean without i2c
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> 512M*8^2
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> A lot of USB keyboards on USB hubs should easily clear 10000
[3:15] <bitplane> I mean simple switch without too much messing around. I don't have time to write USB drivers or money to get integrated circuits manufactured or space to put half a keyboar din
[3:15] <SpeedEvil> Alternatively - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlieplexing
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[3:16] <bitplane> without multiplexing
[3:16] <SpeedEvil> 16 GPIO will get you 15*16 = 240 or so - with just switches and diodes
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[3:18] <SpeedEvil> If you do a simple array - with an 8*8 keyboard, that's 64
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> assuming 16 GPIOs
[3:18] <bitplane> I think I only need 7
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> (I can't remember how many are on the pi)
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[3:18] <SpeedEvil> For 7, you can just wire the buttons direct - with a resistor.
[3:18] <bitplane> I need i2c and 5v attached to that, plus 6 or 7 buttons
[3:18] <bitplane> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/images/EGHS-PullUpDownSwitchProtected.jpg <- like this?
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[3:19] <SpeedEvil> yes
[3:20] <bitplane> I'm a bit confused about pull up and down stuff
[3:21] <SpeedEvil> Pull up is connecting through a resistor to the higher supply voltage.
[3:21] <SpeedEvil> Pull down is to the lower voltage
[3:22] <SpeedEvil> It means that if you do not force the state of that part of the cicuit - it will default to the voltage the resistor is connected to
[3:22] <SpeedEvil> But a switch can easily force it to the other supply voltage
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[3:23] <bitplane> is there a difference between the two pictures there?
[3:24] <SpeedEvil> yes
[3:24] <SpeedEvil> What changes position
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[3:27] <bitplane> ugh I'm hopelessly lost with this shit
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[3:27] <bitplane> warning would have sufficed nazibot
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[3:27] <Matt> bitplane: hey, don't blame the bot :)
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[3:28] <Matt> at least it's evenhanded
[3:28] <bitplane> cleared my buffers
[3:28] <Matt> and it's there even when we're asleep
[3:28] <cbb2296> is it possible to expand my partition without formatting my drive and restarting?
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[3:28] <Matt> bitplane: think about how current flows when the input is open circuit
[3:29] <Matt> i.e. pretend the switch isn't there
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[3:29] <bitplane> i.. uh, I'm not sure about the ground thing. the only thing I remember is simple circuits from high school
[3:30] <bitplane> what is a gpio pin anyway?
[3:30] <Matt> General Purpose Input/Output
[3:30] <bitplane> compare to ground or complete the circuit to the 3.3v?
[3:32] <Matt> it's a pin that can be configured by you to either be an output (i.e. control when it's +3.3V and when it's 0v)
[3:32] <bitplane> i mean on the inside somewhere is it connected to the 3.3v and ground, via a transistor or something?
[3:32] <Matt> or an input (i.e. read whether it's at +3.3V or 0V)
[3:32] <bitplane> if it's completely passive why would it need a resistor between it and the circuit?
[3:33] <Matt> if you have an input line and you leave it floating
[3:33] <Matt> the value of that line is indeterminate
[3:33] <Matt> and likely to fluctuate at random
[3:33] <Matt> being affected by things like someone touching the board
[3:34] <bitplane> ah okay
[3:34] <Matt> if you put a resistor between it and ground, then when it's not connected to anything else, it's going to read 0
[3:34] <Matt> if you put a resistor between it and +3.3V, then when it's not connected to anything else, it's going to read 1
[3:34] <Matt> (talking binary values here, obviously)
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[3:34] <Matt> literally, pull it down to 0V
[3:34] <Matt> or pull it up to +3.3V
[3:35] <Matt> hence pull-up and pull-down :)
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[3:39] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, do you still need to expand the partition?
[3:39] <cbb2296> @shiftplusone I do... I havea 64gb card and it only gives me 1.8gbs to work with
[3:39] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, which distro?
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[3:40] <cbb2296> arch
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[3:40] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, arch is a little trickier than the others. The steps are: delete the current partition, recreate it with the same starting sector, but going to the end. Then run resize2fs.
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[3:41] <shiftplusone> However Arch's main partition is a logical partition inside an extended partition, so you have to account for that. Basically delete and recreate the extended partition and then make the ext4 partition inside it
[3:42] <cbb2296> @shiftplusone Thank you! how would i go about doing all of this? I can't do it over ssh can I, wouldn't I have to remove the card?
[3:42] <shiftplusone> cbb2296, I have a script which does it automatically for the arch image, do you think you would be able to understand it and adapt it to a live system running arch?
[3:42] <shiftplusone> you can do it over ssh
[3:42] <shiftplusone> resize2fs works on a live system
[3:43] <cbb2296> @shiftplusone I can try! plus if I lose anything it won't be a huge loss
[3:43] <shiftplusone> http://pastebin.com/fKr96ep4
[3:44] <shiftplusone> lines 12 to 33 are of interest to you
[3:44] <cbb2296> thanks shif
[3:45] <shiftplusone> np. So first it records the start of the extended and logical partitions, deletes the extended partition and then recreates them as I said earlier
[3:45] <shiftplusone> it's fairly straight forward once you've done it once.
[3:45] <shiftplusone> a breeze with cfdisk actually
[3:45] <shiftplusone> you'll have to reboot after writing the new partition table
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[3:49] <cbb2296> so I may have overestimated my abilities on this one
[3:49] <shiftplusone> why is that?
[3:49] <cbb2296> I understand very little of what im looking at here
[3:50] <shiftplusone> those letters are commands that go to fdisk
[3:50] <shiftplusone> p is for print, it just prints the partitions table
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[3:50] <shiftplusone> d is delete
[3:50] <shiftplusone> which asks what partition to delete, to which the script replies 2 (the extended one)
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[3:51] <shiftplusone> the n is for new and e is for extended it asks what partition number and where to start it... and so on.
[3:51] <shiftplusone> then new and logical created the partition inside the extended partition. The empty lines mean just press enter, which just accepts the default in this case (end of disk)
[3:52] <shiftplusone> w writes the partition table
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[3:53] <shiftplusone> to be fair, you don't need to worry about partition numbers and start and end sectors, the default values fdisk gives you should be fine, it's a "just in case deal"
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[5:23] <C200> How would one sync an iPod nano 5G on a Pi?
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[5:25] <Sonny_Jim> C200: You don't
[5:26] <shiftplusone> well, you could
[5:27] <shiftplusone> plenty of alternatives to itunes which don't enforce stupid restrictions itunes does
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[5:31] <cbb2296> I'd also be interested in syncing an ipod with a pi
[5:34] <Sonny_Jim> AFAIK, you can't 'sync' but you can add/remove songs etc
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[5:42] <C200> I've read the nano 5G is one of the iPods that was never Linux compatible in general, save for a Spotify GUI client that can place and remove music on the model. I suppose I'm asking about this Spotify client, then :P
[5:43] <shiftplusone> well then buy something that runs rockbox and be done with it >.>
[5:43] <C200> I'll soon be using a Chromebook and a Pi.
[5:44] <C200> shiftplusone: I've considered that. I might just use the Chromebook C720 as my "iPod" on the bus. The nano has a nice FM radio, though.
[5:44] * shiftplusone shrugs
[5:45] <shiftplusone> haven't really kept up with mp3 players and such since every phone became one.
[5:46] <C200> I pay $15 a month for an old flip phone. Hard to move on. Poor.
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[5:47] <C200> Are people using Spotify's GUI client on a Pi?
[5:47] <shiftplusone> ah yeah, I am in no position to buy a new phone any time soon either (lucky that the one I bought when I had money has lasted this long)
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[7:06] <Datalink> I have this odd urge to make a RPi into a video capture hard drive... for an old VHS camcorder I own...
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[7:18] <C200> Datalink: what other hw/sw would you use?
[7:18] <Datalink> C200, donno yet, just kind of an idle thought, I'd need a video input card via USB and a USB hard drive with external power (to tap into the camera's battery directly) as well as needing to find the 5 volt rail if my camera has one
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[7:22] <C200> Datalink: I wonder if Tvheadend would be of any use.
[7:22] <Datalink> donno
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[7:24] <C200> Datalink: I'm considering trying an old USB 1.1 capture card/cord with a digital to analog TV tuner convert to stream TV to my laptop. Low res = less impact on precious USB?
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[7:24] <Datalink> I'm at the 'this could be cool if I did x' stage, not the research stage yet
[7:24] <Datalink> sorry
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[7:25] <C200> Datalink: I'd try messing with XBMC first, if you haven't already.
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[7:26] <Datalink> C200, I use that for other stuff, I need to work out capture of composite and audio
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[7:30] <C200> Datalink: Does your camcorder turn off automatically when not recording to tape? My 8mm Handycam does.
[7:33] <Datalink> without a tape in it, it goes into video out mode, because it's an old Panasonic Reporter VHS model
[7:35] <C200> Datalink: Is there a power-saving feature that assumes you accidentally left it on? That's how mine is.
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[7:36] <Datalink> no, it's an old old pro camera, it turns off to protect the tape but otherwise ignores power state, assumes you have more 12V batteries in your equipment
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[7:40] <C200> Datalink: Oh, yeah, mine probably turns off to protect the tape -- even without a tape in there. Consumer stuff.
[7:40] <C200> Datalink: You could just record to tape then encode later. Haha just kidding.
[7:41] <Datalink> yeah, I use a VHS VCR from the same studio as a laptop stand
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[7:41] <Datalink> it's the size of a server on AV rack spacing XD
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[7:43] <C200> I still need to manually edit my 8mm home movies to VHS, using emulated Commodore video titling via Dreamcast. Preservation.
[7:44] <C200> Then encode the tape.
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[8:08] <clever> Eartaker: http://us3.php.net/passthru
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[8:49] <ShorTie> Welcome Back Nefarious___
[8:49] <Nefarious___> Good morning
[8:49] <ShorTie> mornin
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[9:02] <Nefarious___> He's still doing it >.<
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[9:05] <ShorTie> woohoo, i think i fixed my solding iron
[9:05] <ShorTie> of course it was a chicken/egg thing, lol.
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[9:07] <Terminus> hmmm... rpi can't seem to provide enough power to my keyboard and using my monitor's powered usb hub doesn't seem to work. >_<
[9:08] <ShorTie> the monitor's powered usb hub most likely does not supply enough current then
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[9:09] <Terminus> ShorTie: seems different. i have usb messages that i haven't taken the time to read on the rpi. might be a controller issue.
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[9:09] <ShorTie> usb spec is 500ma, and the rPi really needs 1amp for stability
[9:10] <Terminus> ShorTie: i just read that you should never load the rpi usb with more than 100ma.
[9:10] <Terminus> read it from http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
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[9:28] <dfcnvt> What webserver do you guys use in rpi? I'm thinking of getting lighttpd due to minimal memory usage.
[9:29] <Phosie> I use lighttpd
[9:30] <dfcnvt> What about nginx?
[9:30] <Phosie> Never had any experience with that so can't comment
[9:31] <dfcnvt> Currently reading this page... http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Lighttpd_vs_nginx
[9:32] <Phosie> I think I'll use lighttpd again just because i know it.
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[10:07] <local> hey all. Which firewall is installed by default on Raspbian? I cannot see any /etc/init.d/firewall or /etc/init.d/iptables script. But when I do a "iptables -L" I get an output with long list (because I use fail2ban). How can I determine which firewall is used?
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[10:09] <ShorTie> i sorta think there is not one installed by defualt
[10:10] <Terminus> yeah, debian has never had an iptables init script IIRC.
[10:10] <ShorTie> firewall's belong on your router not on your pc, imho
[10:11] <Terminus> you can write one easily yourself that runs iptables-save and iptables-load
[10:12] <ShorTie> and my 'iptables -L' list nothing
[10:13] <Terminus> there may be something for iptables in /etc/defaults/
[10:14] <Terminus> local: seems you may be able to apt-get install iptables-persistent
[10:14] <Terminus> i'm just using debian as a reference here. my rpi is off.
[10:15] <Terminus> and i didn't find anything in /etc/defaults/ in a basic debian install.
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[10:16] <local> Terminus: I just would like to know which firewall could run at the moment, not install a new one
[10:18] <Terminus> local: iptables is always the firewall on linux. anything else you install is just an add-on that manipulates iptables.
[10:18] <ShorTie> this might help https://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall
[10:18] <Terminus> well, not always i guess. there's ipchain if you're still living in 1998. =D
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[10:30] <Phosie> Hmm raspbian or arch...
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[12:39] <juniour> i bought logitech hd cam c310 neetd work with raspberry any help
[12:40] <juniour> ???
[12:40] <juniour> anyone here??
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[12:44] <juniour> hey is any one alive here
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[12:46] <ln-> you haven't asked an actual question.
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[12:52] <pksato> juniour: http://www.thisismyrobot.com/2012/08/getting-logitech-c270-webcam-working-on.html
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[12:54] <juniour> pksato i want to make it work with motion :)
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[12:55] <pksato> configure motion to use /dev/video0 .
[12:55] <juniour> yep done
[12:56] <juniour> /etc/motion/motion.config i done video0
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[13:23] <juniour> yea awesome motion working
[13:23] <juniour> i figured it out :)
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> woo!
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[13:24] <SpeedEvil> How well?
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[13:27] <clever> SpeedEvil: i just had an idea
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[13:27] <clever> if my ffmpeg patches work right, hardware decode of ip/usb h264 streams, for things like motion
[13:28] <clever> or mpeg2 as well
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> clever: I was wondering that too
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> Also - can you make the camera a v4l device - and just have it dump out frames?
[13:29] <clever> i have been wanting to do just that
[13:29] <clever> but i dont have a camera yet
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> Ideally without a silly encode->decode step
[13:30] <clever> i think the omx api has options to just give raw video
[13:30] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/firmware/documentation/ilcomponents/camera.html appears to output raw video frames
[13:30] <clever> and can then be connected to video_encode if you wanted, or skip that
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[13:31] <SpeedEvil> Stick up a paypal donation link for a camera?
[13:32] <clever> ive got an old one up on http://ext.earthtools.ca/ae/
[13:35] * SpeedEvil misread 'bottle calc'
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[13:35] <SpeedEvil> And imagined a drinking game.
[13:35] <clever> lol
[13:36] <clever> its stuff i had made for a game i played a few years ago
[13:36] <clever> dont use that site anymore, its been replaced long ago
[13:36] <clever> but i never bothered to take it down
[13:36] <clever> its on my todo list</shrek>
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[13:38] <juniour> hi
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[13:38] <juniour> is there any disadvantage of overclocking pi to 1Gh
[13:38] <juniour> ??
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[13:39] <urs> juniour: It might create problems with your SD card... or it might crash more often.
[13:39] <juniour> i have sd card 32 gb
[13:39] <urs> juniour: but if you've tested it, and it seems to run stable, there are no other disadvantages.
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[13:40] <juniour> and pi tell warrenty will not ve void till 1Gh but beyond 1Gh warrenty will be void
[13:40] <juniour> right
[13:40] <juniour> ??
[13:40] <clever> you will only void the warranty if you change the voltage settings
[13:40] <juniour> k
[13:41] <juniour> no volatage is 5v only
[13:41] <juniour> :)
[13:41] <clever> in config.txt i mean
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[13:41] <urs> few rpis run stable at 1GHz without overvolting.
[13:41] <juniour> and ampare i am giving to ti is 1mA
[13:41] <juniour> sorry
[13:41] <juniour> 1000mA
[13:41] <clever> thats 1 amp
[13:41] <urs> but you can try. It won't break anything.
[13:42] <juniour> k
[13:42] <urs> Remember that overclocking the arm core is not the only thing that gives improved performance.
[13:42] <juniour> i also given cooling fan to pi . in case of heating
[13:42] <urs> Also the ram and core clock can have quite an impact.
[13:42] <Rienzilla> why would you do that lol
[13:43] <urs> juniour: nah, a cooling fan is completely useless. A proper metal heatsink is already overkill, but if you really want to push it, you can consider that.
[13:43] <juniour> Rienzilla just use pi for some half an hour and touch r=the back chip and cpu will see the heat lol
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[13:43] <Rienzilla> oh sure :)
[13:43] <juniour> yep meatel heatsint +fan
[13:43] <juniour> :)
[13:43] <Rienzilla> I want a pi because it is small and dead silent
[13:44] <clever> you put meat on your pie?
[13:44] <juniour> yea right
[13:44] <urs> juniour: sure, it will run at 70ish degrees (celsius)... but the chips are designed for those temperatures.
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[13:44] <juniour> yea i know have read about this
[13:44] <urs> And they will throttle themselves if they get into the 80-degree range
[13:44] <juniour> so provided with heat sink and fan
[13:45] <urs> I have a bunch of copper heatsinks on my chips, no fan, and can run at 1GHz without ever exceeding 65C
[13:45] <juniour> nice
[13:45] <juniour> but if you have it will also do no harm but will do some good
[13:45] <urs> so unless you live in the desert with unbearable outside temperatures, you definitely won't need a fan.
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[13:46] <juniour> i have putted heatsink over cpu
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[13:46] <juniour> where else needed ???
[13:47] <napos> how about this then? http://hackaday.com/2013/07/20/water-cooled-raspberry-pi/ :D
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[13:48] <juniour> u can alos use lubricant lol
[13:48] <chris_99> http://sidigital.co/sid
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[14:34] <local> how can I completely DISABLE the firewall/iptables on a RaspberryPi running Raspbian ?
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[14:37] <Davespice> hi local
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[14:37] <troulouliou_dev> local, iptables -F ; iptables -X; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t nat -X
[14:38] <troulouliou_dev> local, iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT ; same fro output and forward
[14:38] <Davespice> I was going say use iptables --help, but troulouliou_dev is right, you may also need to sudo apt-get install iptables
[14:40] <troulouliou_dev> Davespice, on one of my dd-wrt router; i also had to iptables -t raw -F ..... ; was a headache to find :)
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[14:43] <Davespice> oh right to load from from a binary?
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[14:58] <local> thank you
[15:00] <local> and can I somehow see/check which packets are dropped/rejected on the RPi ?
[15:00] <local> when IPTables are running?
[15:00] <Davespice> ifconfig
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[15:00] <Davespice> or watch -n 1 ifconfig
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[15:01] <local> after the text "dropped: " ?? and the rejected?
[15:02] <Davespice> yeah errors and dropped, you've also got collisions
[15:02] <local> hmm...I do not understand why my connected OpenVPN client cannot ping clients behind my RPi which acts as a OpenVPN server... I cannot find any mistake in my configs :(
[15:03] <local> my Android smartphone (=OpenVPN client) can ping the RPi (=OpenVPN Server) at its 10.10.10.123 address. But I cannot ping 192.168.0.100 . And ip_forwarding is enabled on the Rpi
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[15:03] <local> the routes are pushed/pulled correctly. No firewalls active on client and server.
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[16:49] <dleonardi> hello y'all.. :) i'm setting up home surveillance and am trying to use raspivid to detect motion detection. I've recompiled raspivid to whatever is provided on https://github.com/JamesH65/userland/tree/segmentation . I'm following things as described here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60835 . I keep getting an error about the -sg option not being valid
[16:49] <dleonardi> any ideas on what i might be missing?
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[17:08] <sheikpunk> hello guys im using raspbian, but i think the xorg fonts not really goods on my display. Someone known anything about that?!
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[17:11] * elenciu say "Hello" :D
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[17:12] <dleonardi> hm i think i had an outdated version of the source code for some strange reason. recompiling now..
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[17:26] <rymate1234> god damn
[17:27] <rymate1234> i need a mini usb cable
[17:27] <rymate1234> ._.
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[17:30] <tanuva> well, you could visit a store of your choice. probably they have so many, they'll sell you one :)
[17:30] <rymate1234> nvm found 8
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[17:30] <tanuva> considering you only needed one… :D
[17:31] <rymate1234> lawl
[17:32] <rymate1234> hey
[17:33] <rymate1234> you know the noobs installer?
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[17:33] <rymate1234> do I need a display?
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[17:33] <tanuva> yep, you do
[17:33] <rymate1234> aw
[17:34] <rymate1234> can I use composite?
[17:34] <rymate1234> my only hdmi display is kinda being used... :/
[17:34] <tanuva> probably
[17:34] <tanuva> haven't tried it myself, but I would expect that to work
[17:34] <rymate1234> also thinking about it...
[17:34] <rymate1234> yeah might be easier to just use ssh
[17:35] <tanuva> alternatively, you could temporarily swap for noobs installation, it only needs a few clicks
[17:35] <rymate1234> yeah
[17:35] <rymate1234> true
[17:36] <rymate1234> wait
[17:36] <rymate1234> clicks?
[17:36] <rymate1234> I thought it was command line lol
[17:37] <tanuva> nope, its a real gui
[17:37] <tanuva> https://github-camo.global.ssl.fastly.net/9d5b16465f95c19e697c5ca10deef98c271b32b2/687474703a2f2f646f776e6c6f6164732e72617370626572727970692e6f72672f4e4f4f42532f73637265656e73686f74732f6f735f696e7374616c6c65642e706e67
[17:38] <tanuva> (couldn't find an uglier url)
[17:38] <IT_Sean> shorterurl
[17:38] <IT_Sean> or even shorturl
[17:38] <IT_Sean> either one would have made that less ugly
[17:38] <rymate1234> huh
[17:38] <rymate1234> neat
[17:38] <rymate1234> WHY DID I NOT KNOW OF THIS BEFORE
[17:38] <rymate1234> :D
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[17:39] <IT_Sean> now you do.
[17:39] <tanuva> Especially useful when the Pi ate it's sd card twice, reinstalling never was that simple
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[17:47] <rymate1234> k
[17:47] * rymate1234 gets sd card formatter
[17:47] <rymate1234> does it work over wifi?
[17:47] <rymate1234> (ha)
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[17:49] <Nefarious___> _BigWings_: you've been joining every five-ten minutes for over 32 hours now. Please stop.
[17:49] <IT_Sean> Nefarious___: you are not a channel operator or staffer, please do not tell other users what to do.
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[17:50] <tanuva> rymate1234: what do you want to do over wifi?
[17:50] <rymate1234> noobs
[17:50] <rymate1234> can I download OSes with it over wifi
[17:51] <Nefarious___> I know, i asked politely. I don't think i need to be an Op to ask someone to stop continually quitting, do i?
[17:51] <tanuva> rymate1234: ah. afaik, the image is that big because all the OSes are included in it
[17:51] <tanuva> so you don't need network at all
[17:51] <IT_Sean> It's not your place to make that request, Nef.
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[17:52] <Nefarious___> I think its reasonable since its been flooding my client for over a day. Maybe its not my place, but i only asked.
[17:52] <IT_Sean> nef, you can /ignore it.
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[17:53] <KBme> hi
[17:53] <IT_Sean> o/
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[17:53] <Nefarious___> IT_Sean: its not supported on this client
[17:54] <KBme> anyone know how to compile the xbmc branch with the RPi-specific patches?
[17:54] <KBme> and how big a difference the patches make?
[17:54] <elenciu> how can i update the kernel of the raspbian to the lastest version?
[17:55] <Nefarious___> besides it was the fact that ge was spamming my client, nothing to do with the channel itself. Its not like i said "stop joining this channel, you don't belong here" i think we can stop now anyway.
[17:55] <elenciu> https://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv3.x%2Ftesting%2Fpatch-3.13-rc1.xz;z=3992 i need the 3.13-rc1 for this device, the adafruit pwm controller
[17:55] <KBme> I tried compiling it the same way as I would compile xbmc but it didn't work out, I get the error DllAvUtil.h: In member function 'virtual int DllAvUtilBase::av_get_channel_layout_channel_index(uint64_t, uint64_t)':
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[17:57] <pksato> http://boingboing.net/2013/11/21/rollerball-pen-draws-conductiv.html
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[18:00] <miarffi> hi, any idea why raspi-config's keyboard layout configuration doesn't work? it just exists the config, says "setting preliminary keymap" and then returns to the config, without letting me select anything
[18:01] <miarffi> *exits
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[18:05] <miarffi> oh wait, that's probably because it doesn't have a keyboard attached in the first place
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[18:56] <Kane> hi o/
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[18:59] <Rienzilla> hmmm
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[19:00] <Rienzilla> is there a definitive way to force the pi to do hdmi?
[19:00] <Rienzilla> it only enables its hdmi output if it's connected directly to the tv
[19:00] <Rienzilla> when I plug it in the avr, no game
[19:01] <Rienzilla> I set hdmi_force_hotplug=1 hdmi_edid_file=1 and config_hdmi_boost=4 in my config.txt
[19:01] <drobban> clear
[19:01] <drobban> oops =)
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[19:10] <KBme> Rienzilla, hdmi_force_hotplug=1 fixed that for me, i don't know what the others do.
[19:11] <KBme> it works fine, even if I boot without the hdmi plugged in, then plug a hdmi later, it'll run on hdmi
[19:12] <Rienzilla> seems to not work here, although I could remove the other settings
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[19:12] <Rienzilla> how does your pi know what resolution to output if the displa is not connected?
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[19:18] <KBme> er
[19:18] <KBme> i force some resolution
[19:19] <KBme> actually, no, i don't force anything
[19:19] <KBme> it somehow knows
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[19:19] <KBme> haven't had anything to do for it to work
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[20:08] <dekomote> does anyone have an init script for emulationstation(retropie)?
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[20:14] <hosler> anyone use an ipad screen with raspi?
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> hosler: It is going to be extremely challenging
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you can use a HMI to whatever adaptor
[20:16] <Sonny_Jim> LVDS
[20:16] <IT_Sean> It's not going to be Simple. You would need an LVDS controller tuned for that specific model LCD.
[20:17] <hosler> i want to frame a screen and use the raspi to show pictures on it as a gift. trying to find a good screen for this project.
[20:17] <IT_Sean> Your best bet is probably a stripped down car headrest display. Some of those have HDMI gazintas, and practically all of them have composite gazintas.
[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> Hate to be a negative nancy, but digital photo frames aren't exactly rae
[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> *rare
[20:18] <Rienzilla> lol
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[20:18] <IT_Sean> Also, that.
[20:18] <pksato> on ebay have a kits of display+controler.
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[20:20] <IT_Sean> I am sure you can find an ~10in display with an HDMI gazinta. Possibly for less than the cost of an iPad display (which really gives you no benefit) and the necessary controller.
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[20:22] <Jusii> adafruit sells something for ~$130 incl. adapter board, then there was that 9" kickstarter going
[20:22] <Jusii> that adafruit setup can be acquired for less than $100 from ebay
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[20:23] <Jusii> then there's those chalk-elec incl. touchscreen but they've been out of stock for months
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[20:26] <koalo> I have build an adapter board to connect a A13-LCD7-TS by Olimex to my Raspberry Pi
[20:26] <koalo> If someone is interested I will publish the schematics
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[20:28] <pksato> 60$ on a 10.2" digital photo frame.
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[20:29] <Hix> Is it a common problem that raspivid crashes rev.1 Model B pis?
[20:30] <shiftplusone> Hix, have you checked the tp1 tp2 voltage?
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[20:30] <Hix> shiftplusone I wouldn't know where to look [but I'll google it - cheers]
[20:31] <shiftplusone> Hix, do you have a multimeter?
[20:31] <Hix> yup
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[20:31] <bennypr0fane> looking for nerdboy, about his mpd-ready raspberry image
[20:31] <shiftplusone> Hix, on the board, there are test points labelled tp1 and tp2, just measure between those two points.
[20:31] <Hix> ahh stupid me. thx
[20:32] <shiftplusone> bennypr0fane, you've come to the right place, but he doesn't seem to be here right now. He's on quite frequently though.
[20:32] <Sonny_Jim> Is it that hard to setup mpd?
[20:32] <shiftplusone> Hix, I don't know if this has anything to do with the problem, but it's one of those things that causes 90% of all problems, so it would help to rule it out.
[20:32] <Hix> shiftplusone are there test points for current draw too? In the process of setting up a wldlife camera
[20:32] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, nope, nerdboy just has a minimal image.
[20:33] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[20:33] <shiftplusone> Hix, none that I know of, no.
[20:33] <mgottschlag> Hix: no, you would need to cut the usb cable and measure there
[20:33] <Hix> :/
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[20:33] <Nefarious___> shiftplusone: we have memos remember ;) nerdboy will get a message
[20:33] <Hix> ahhh. If I power via GPIO then it's all good no?
[20:33] <Sonny_Jim> There is one thing about Apple displays, (official ones that is, not replacements) is because Apple has such big weight to throw around they can specify 'A' grade panels from the manufacturers
[20:34] <mgottschlag> Hix: if you power via GPIO, you can just test there
[20:34] <shiftplusone> Nefarious___, I don't think the memos are useful, given that it's duplicating existing freenode functionality, sorry. >.>
[20:34] <Hix> yup - its a plan :)
[20:34] <Nefarious___> Freenode has memos?:O i didnt know
[20:34] <shiftplusone> Nefarious___, I told you before you implemented it >_<
[20:35] <Nefarious___> Ah, yes i remember. MemoServ
[20:35] <shiftplusone> yup
[20:37] <IT_Sean> ferpaderp
[20:38] * shiftplusone slaps IT_Sean
[20:38] <shiftplusone> ...manners
[20:38] <IT_Sean> OW!
[20:38] <IT_Sean> The hell1!?
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[20:49] <Hix> shiftplusone 4.52v without the camera even running, seems low no?
[20:49] <shiftplusone> Hix, yeah.
[20:50] <Hix> is it as simple as replacing the vreg?
[20:50] <shiftplusone> the issue is with your power supply
[20:51] <shiftplusone> or it could be the polyfuse, but that's less likely
[20:51] <shiftplusone> you can measure the voltage across the polyfuse to maake sure.
[20:52] <Hix> th epower supply is iPad power block, 5v 2A putting out 5.09v
[20:53] <Hix> I'll check the location of the polyfuse
[20:53] <shiftplusone> is this 5.09 at the pi's input while it's running?
[20:53] <shiftplusone> or is it at the block's output with nothing attached?
[20:54] <mgottschlag> Hix: note that the power drops even directly at the power supply if the load increases
[20:54] <mgottschlag> *the voltage
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[20:54] <IT_Sean> an iPad power brick should do it
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[20:54] <IT_Sean> I've run my Pi off of one with no ill effects
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[20:54] <Hix> sure, but I would have thought a 2A psu would be capable of delivering the required load
[20:55] <IT_Sean> It should be
[20:55] <shiftplusone> Hix, not always. There are cable losses to consider.
[20:55] <shiftplusone> and some PSUs lie
[20:55] <Hix> It is a very early board from 2012 so I'm guessing the polyfuses could be to blame
[20:55] <IT_Sean> could be
[20:55] <shiftplusone> *most. But assuming it's a genuine Apple, it should be ok.
[20:55] <IT_Sean> Mine is a later one
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[20:55] <Hix> yes - genuine.
[20:56] <shiftplusone> Hix, verify that first. Found the polyfuse yet?
[20:56] <Hix> yes - by the usb hubs
[20:56] <Hix> gonna check now
[20:56] <shiftplusone> no
[20:56] <shiftplusone> not those ones
[20:56] <shiftplusone> the one near the microusb (power input)
[20:56] <Hix> ah, ok
[20:56] <shiftplusone> it will look similar though, just a little bigger
[20:56] <shiftplusone> should be labelled F something.
[20:57] <shiftplusone> measure the voltage across it with the pi running.
[20:57] <shiftplusone> If that's fine, then the last thing to check (that I can think of) is the cable resistance or voltage drop, but that's tricky.
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[21:00] <Hix> F3 on reverse side of board is showing as 0.15v ?!
[21:01] <shiftplusone> that's a big chunk of the missing voltage... and I guess cable losses make up for the rest
[21:01] <shiftplusone> you could short circuit the polyfuse.
[21:01] <shiftplusone> or power the pi through gpio
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[21:03] <Hix> I'm going to have to knock up a cable for GPIO
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[21:05] <Hix> does GPIO bypass the vreg? i.e if the power block is putting out 5.09 will it cope?
[21:05] <shiftplusone> Hix, there's no vreg for 5v
[21:05] <shiftplusone> it just uses the 5v you give it
[21:05] <shiftplusone> there's a 3.3v though for the bulk of the board.
[21:05] <shiftplusone> and iirc a 1.2ish v one.
[21:06] <Hix> ok, is 5.09 withinn tolerance then?
[21:06] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[21:06] <Hix> nice
[21:06] <shiftplusone> I don't think you will get 5.09 on gpio anyway, even if that's what's at the supply's output.
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[21:21] <Craynerd> Hi guys, anyone know if schools can purchase raspberry pi's at a better price in large numbers?
[21:22] <sney> I thought the website had that information in the faq
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> It's in the FAQ
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> Short answer, no
[21:23] <Sonny_Jim> Oh maybe it's not
[21:23] <Sonny_Jim> "Unfortunately, because of the way the pricing model (and the fact that we’re a charity) works, you won’t be able to get a discount for bulk"
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/bespoke/bespoke7.jsp?bespokepage=farnell/en_UK/promotions/rasp-pi-accessories.jsp
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[21:24] <SpeedEvil> One pi 30 quid 100+ 26 quid
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> So the price break is tehre, but not that great.
[21:24] <Craynerd> Humm :-(
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[21:24] <SpeedEvil> Also - 25000 in stock
[21:24] <Craynerd> No, sod all really but fair enough.
[21:25] <Sonny_Jim> You get them VAT free though?
[21:25] <Sonny_Jim> Do schools pay VAT?
[21:25] <Rienzilla> a school? I doubt it
[21:25] <Craynerd> No. I don't think we do
[21:25] <Nefarious___> No they don't
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[21:25] <SpeedEvil> 100 model A's is 1748
[21:25] <shiftplusone> Craynerd, the pi was designed to cost as little as possible, so the profit margin is very low. However, check the link SpeedEvil gave you. They do charge a few dollars less if you order in bulk (at least if you order in the UK from farnell).
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[21:26] <Craynerd> Yes, but I'm sorry, that was quoting 100 for a better price. I'd be pushing to order quarter of that!
[21:26] <Craynerd> I'm just looking for a class set.
[21:27] <chris_99> look at his link
[21:27] <chris_99> you can get 25 for cheaper than 1
[21:28] <shiftplusone> I don't see '100' anywhere... I see them getting cheaper at 10 units, then 25 and then 50.
[21:29] <Craynerd> Ok, I think I'd go for the model B - I purchased the original A when they came out and I did find it rather too slow. I was expecting it to be slow...
[21:29] <Craynerd> Yes, I see that now, sorry
[21:29] <shiftplusone> The B is not any faster, it just has more RAM
[21:30] <chris_99> arguably it could be
[21:30] <chris_99> due to less swapping ;)
[21:30] <shiftplusone> if you're swapping at all, you're doing it wrong.
[21:30] <Craynerd> Hum. :-/
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> Damn you Windows 95 for making everyone think more RAM = faster
[21:31] <Craynerd> Lol
[21:31] <IT_Sean> You had me at "Damn you Windows 95"
[21:32] <Craynerd> Oh, I may be moving out of my depth :-S
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> Bah, just buy an old BBC B and teach them BASIC ;-)
[21:33] <shiftplusone> D=
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> Although I do agree with however said that it's a shame computers now don't come with a simple language all ready to go
[21:34] <chris_99> python?
[21:34] <Craynerd> I currently run an arduino club and we have great fun with those. I never hear them shut up about raspberry pi and the deputy head told me PTA would fund buying raspi
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> Ooh
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> Jump on that I reckon
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[21:35] <Sonny_Jim> What age range is it?
[21:35] <Craynerd> 11-18 but they tend to be y11 with a few keen younger ones coming in
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[21:35] <Craynerd> The beauty of the arduino is they pay £12 and it is there's to keep!
[21:36] <shiftplusone> Craynerd, I agree that the pi is a bit slow for the way the foundations wants it to be used (running a full desktop environment and teaching scratch and such), but it's certainly more than good enough to teach general programming.
[21:36] <Craynerd> Y11 - 15 to 16 year olds
[21:36] <shiftplusone> and 'course you get all that GPIO goodness as well.
[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, buy a Raspberry Pi and run the MESS BBC B emulator ;-)
[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> I actually got BBC Elite to run at a reasonable pace with it
[21:37] <Jusii> not to forget fullhd video
[21:37] <Craynerd> Well that is the bit I enjoy. I teach Chemistry and engineering and simple programming is a hobby! Sadly the IT department who are more skilled than me I would hope (although not sure :-p ). Don't want to know
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> Craynerd: How are you going to arrange for 25 monitors, keyboards?
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> they'll be rather more than a pi
[21:39] <Craynerd> I was discussing this today. We have a good stock of old monitors from our past IT suites that have now been replaced by portable laptops. That said, it is an issue!
[21:39] <Craynerd> We don't have 25 I expect, but nearer 15
[21:40] <Craynerd> We would have to ebay the rest
[21:40] <shiftplusone> or make it group work >.>
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> Cy-Gor: HDMI?
[21:40] <Sonny_Jim> Craynerd: Are they VGA monitors?
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> Craynerd:
[21:40] <Craynerd> The other option is to purchase 5-8 and have them in the library (Active Learning Zone. ;-) ) let them play at will
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[21:40] <Sonny_Jim> heh
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[21:40] <Craynerd> Yes, I expect VGA
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> VGA won't work.
[21:41] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[21:41] <shiftplusone> ouch, the pi is HDMI
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> Without a converter costing about as much as a pi.
[21:41] <sney> you can't double-dongle it I suppose
[21:41] <Craynerd> Damn... Does pi support VGA !!! Damn, yes I ran mine through the hdmi port on my tv!
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> No.
[21:41] <Sonny_Jim> You are thinking of DVI
[21:42] <Craynerd> There goes that one
[21:42] <Craynerd> So how the heck are most people running them at schools if they don't even link to a standard VGA ?
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> VGA is not standard.
[21:42] <Craynerd> At - in ***
[21:42] <atouk> monitors? http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=6880651&convertTo=USD
[21:42] <sney> DVI, probably
[21:43] <sney> DVI has been pretty common on LCDs for about a decade now
[21:43] <sney> the cheapest ones are vga only but they're in the minority afaik
[21:43] <Rienzilla> I don't own a vga-only monitor anymore
[21:43] <pksato> VGA is a zombie...
[21:43] <Sonny_Jim> Good thing really, VGA LCD monitors are a bodge of the highest order
[21:43] <Craynerd> Ahhhhh ... Sorry, these are LCD so is it possible they have dvi ?
[21:43] <sney> it is possible
[21:43] <sney> likely, even
[21:43] <Sonny_Jim> Digital signal -> analogue -> digital display = sad panda
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> If they are old LCD, it's quite likel they are vGA only
[21:44] <Craynerd> Hummm
[21:44] <Craynerd> A new set of arduinos is seemingly more likely
[21:45] <Craynerd> do you think kids would learn much if you just had 5 to play on in the library? Or would they need some guidance... Or literally that them loose to do what they like
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[21:46] <Craynerd> That = let. Ipad and fat fingers doing mix
[21:46] <shiftplusone> imho some guidance would be needed at the start at least.
[21:46] <Craynerd> :-(. don't
[21:46] <sney> though there was that program with the tablets dropped into some african village
[21:47] <Craynerd> yes, heard about that. Didn't they learn English to read the instructions?
[21:47] <sney> they figured it all out on their own
[21:47] <shiftplusone> dropped? I hope they used lots of bubble wrap, or there would be lots of disappointed kids. >.>
[21:47] <IT_Sean> or a gaint paraschute
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[21:47] <rymate1234> or maybe they brought it down gently
[21:48] <Craynerd> Haha... It was a soft landing, they dropped them in the river
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[21:48] <shiftplusone> (yes, I imagine they didn't just throw ipads down from a plane at a village)
[21:48] <rymate1234> also did the village have electricity
[21:48] <rymate1234> if not how did they charge them
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[21:48] <sney> solar, I imagine? it was probably in the article, I don't remember that detail though
[21:49] <Craynerd> One more question, you have been really helpful.
[21:49] <Sonny_Jim> I think they'd need a goal of some sort to make using the Pi interesting
[21:49] <Craynerd> What could that goal be?
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[21:49] <Sonny_Jim> After all, it's just another computer really, and they see enough of those
[21:49] <Craynerd> I'm not really sure what they are capable of not including the I/o side of things
[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> Something GPIO related would be my guess, the Pi seems good at that
[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> Making a traffic light sequence from LED's?
[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> That was always a fun but simple electronics project
[21:50] <Craynerd> But you see from my perspective, the arduino does that job perfectly with its simple arduino sketch programme and simple upload!
[21:51] <Craynerd> This is why I sold my pi. I felt I was missing something!
[21:51] <Sonny_Jim> Well, look at it this way. What does the Pi do that stands it apart from what you have already (apart from being cheap)
[21:52] <rymate1234> it's smaller
[21:52] <Craynerd> It isn't cheap compared to what I have! It functions as a computer with an OS which the arduino can't do, but then like someone just said, they see computers each day!
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[21:53] <Craynerd> Arduino is smaller still
[21:53] <Sonny_Jim> So maybe something with USB devices
[21:53] <Sonny_Jim> Camera/keyboard etc
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[21:53] <shiftplusone> welcome to #raspberrypi... where we convince educators to stay away from the raspberry pi >_<
[21:53] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[21:53] <Craynerd> Haha
[21:53] <rymate1234> the raspberry pi isn't that good to be honest
[21:53] <Sonny_Jim> Well, you have to admit there's probably been more Pi's sold to tinkerers than to education
[21:53] <Sonny_Jim> Looks that way anyway
[21:53] <rymate1234> ARMv6 is cheap but isn't well supported by much
[21:53] <ozzzy> there are tasks suited for pis and tasks better suited to arduinos.... apples and oranges
[21:54] <Sonny_Jim> So from an education perspective, what are those tasks?
[21:55] <ozzzy> I use the pi as a platform to run hardware wirelessly by talking to an arduino (or two or three)
[21:55] <Craynerd> Ozzzy...I'm not trying to be an idiot, I want to know, but I can't see anything that the pi does that is special. To me it acted as a tiny slow computer - I can certainly see its benefit in 3rd world or where pcs are expensive.
[21:55] <Craynerd> Ahh.. Ok!
[21:55] <lee> I think of it as the combination of having the power of a linux based machine with the easily available GPIO at a low price as what sets it apart
[21:55] <ozzzy> my pi connects my camera, guider, telescope, etc. etc. to my laptop wirelessly
[21:56] <Craynerd> Ok, now I'm getting more excited. I see what you are saying.
[21:57] <Craynerd> Somy_Jim tasks?
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[21:58] <Craynerd> Tasks?
[21:58] <Sonny_Jim> lee: I have to agree with that
[21:58] <Sonny_Jim> You get a suite of Linux tools with an easy(ish) ability to talk to hardware with the GPIO
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, here's one. You could teach them the fundamentals of Linux
[21:59] <shiftplusone> yeah, that'll get kids excited... >.>
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> hah
[21:59] <Craynerd> I admit, I didn't explore the gpio when I had my pi as I was too hooked up with microelectronica stuff at the time
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> Well, setting up a webserver is a simple task with a decent payoff
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> And then make it control LED traffic lights :-)
[22:00] <Jusii> like ozzzy said, it's capable of combining lots of different things and tasks together pretty easily
[22:00] <Craynerd> I don't know that myself... Remember, I'm just giving them an opportunity to explore ... I'm not trying to ""teach""!
[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> I always found that if you don't give kids a goal to use their computer for, it just turns into a Facebook box
[22:01] <Craynerd> Yes, a web server would be cool and I did try that myself last year with mine! Although expect I'll have issues with our network management with that project!
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[22:02] <Sonny_Jim> I'm sure they'd be ok with it as long as it was airgapped
[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> In fact you wouldn't even need to network them, just run the browser and server on the same Pi
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[22:04] <Craynerd> Right, well you have been very helpful. Thanks a lot
[22:04] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=47&sid=893161418bd30f294b5ba5c108968363
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[22:04] <Sonny_Jim> That forum has a few ideas to get you going
[22:04] <Craynerd> Yes, indeed! Thanks for the link
[22:05] <Craynerd> Thanks again guys, bye
[22:05] <Sonny_Jim> No worries
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[22:45] <shiftplusone> a falcon 9 launch, if anyone is into that sort of thing... http://www.spacex.com/webcast/
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> GTO
[22:46] <shiftplusone> eh?
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[22:47] <SKyd3R> gnight
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[22:47] <SpeedEvil> I was making an attempted joke, based on Geosynchronous transfer orbit, and an abusive retort.
[22:48] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> KSP has taught me a few thinks, mostly that exploding rockets are cool
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[23:08] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[23:08] <Sonny_Jim> Trying to work out if I want to code my own config file parser or use an off-the-shelf one
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[23:08] <Sonny_Jim> Err wut?
[23:09] <Sonny_Jim> Sonny_Jim: Please avoid swearing in #raspberrypi.
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[23:09] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, on it...
[23:09] <Sonny_Jim> Would be better if sourcebot actually told you what the swear word was or at least the context
[23:09] <shiftplusone> !resetoffenses Sonny_Jim
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[23:10] <shiftplusone> I think IT_Sean added stupid words and sourcebot only looks for the string, rather than the word
[23:10] <shiftplusone> so... 'parse' may trigger it >_<
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[23:10] <shiftplusone> failbot confirmed
[23:11] <Nefarious___> Lol
[23:11] <Nefarious___> I'll have a look
[23:11] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[23:11] <Sonny_Jim> Oh ok
[23:11] <Sonny_Jim> I was going to do an example, but I won't
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[23:11] <Nefarious___> No, parse isn't in there
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[23:12] <Sonny_Jim> hahaha
[23:12] <Nefarious___> Hm
[23:12] <Sonny_Jim> I think it might be
[23:12] <Nefarious___> It's not honestly
[23:12] <shiftplusone> 'parse' isn't but a substring of parse is
[23:12] <Nefarious___> Oh lol
[23:12] <Nefarious___> You're right
[23:12] <Sonny_Jim> oh I see
[23:13] <Sonny_Jim> Another word for 'bottom'
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[23:13] <Nefarious___> Precisely
[23:13] <Sonny_Jim> Does it also look for combination words?
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[23:13] <Nefarious___> !resetoffences Nefarious___
[23:13] <sourcebot> Nefarious___: Nefarious___'s offences have been reset
[23:13] <Sonny_Jim> As in two words that by themselves aren't considered swearing, but put together could be
[23:15] <Nefarious___> No, although if you say: "123mnvyibfswearbjkiugffgj321" it triggers
[23:15] <Nefarious___> So as shift said it parses everything
[23:15] <Nefarious___> Lol, 'parse'
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[23:16] <shiftplusone> Nefarious___, will you fix it or should I remove IT_Sean's failwords?
[23:16] <Nefarious___> Remove it XD
[23:16] <Nefarious___> I'll work on it at the weekend
[23:16] <shiftplusone> yessir
[23:16] <Sonny_Jim> That's a tricky one
[23:16] <shiftplusone> parse
[23:16] <shiftplusone> parse
[23:16] <shiftplusone> parse
[23:17] <shiftplusone> all good now
[23:17] <Nefarious___> A certain python module might be affected but i doubt many people would use it
[23:19] <Nefarious___> shiftplusone: btw you spelt offences wrong before.
[23:19] <Nefarious___> ! resetoffences Sonny_Jim
[23:19] <sourcebot> Nefarious___: 's offences have been reset
[23:19] <shiftplusone> I know, I fixed it in a PM with sourcebot
[23:20] <Nefarious___> Ah
[23:22] <Sonny_Jim> A quick question, do you guys roll your own config file parsers or do you use a lib?
[23:23] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, I am using glib's parser
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[23:23] <shiftplusone> https://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.32/glib-Key-value-file-parser.html http://www.gtkbook.com/tutorial.php?page=keyfile
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[23:24] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, well seeing as I'm trying to learn rather than "getting the job done" I might have a go at my own, then look at others to see where I went wrong/right
[23:24] <shiftplusone> sounds like a plan
[23:25] <shiftplusone> I figured writing my own would be trivial and most systems have glib available, so may as well not re-invent the wheel.
[23:25] <Sonny_Jim> Yup
[23:25] <Sonny_Jim> Same reason why I went for libircclient for my bot
[23:25] <hopsy> Is it possible to get the ip address of the raspberrypi I am connected currently, without having a screen?
[23:25] <hopsy> like using tcpdump or arp?
[23:26] <Sonny_Jim> hopsy: I normally look at the dhcp client table of the router
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[23:26] <Sonny_Jim> But if you are already connected to it, how did you connect to it?
[23:26] <linuxstb> Sonny_Jim: I've got a simple one in pidvbip (which is based on the one from tvheadend). The idea is that all options can be either specified in the config file, or on the command-line, with the command-line overriding the config file - https://github.com/linuxstb/pidvbip (configfile.[ch])
[23:26] <hopsy> Sonny_Jim: there is no router between my and the raspberrypi
[23:26] <Sonny_Jim> Ah, so it's just a cable?
[23:27] <hopsy> its staight connected yess
[23:27] <Sonny_Jim> You mean connected in a physical sense, right?
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[23:27] <hopsy> one utp cable :p
[23:27] <Sonny_Jim> Okey dokey
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[23:27] <Sonny_Jim> You know what a dhcp server is?
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[23:28] <hopsy> a little bit
[23:28] <hopsy> but you can explain
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[23:28] <Sonny_Jim> Well, they dish out IP address to network devices that don't have one and want an IP address to talk to other devices on the network
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[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> By default (on Raspian), the Pi will go and ask a DHCP server for an IP address to use
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[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> Normally this is done by your router (on a home network)
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[23:29] <hopsy> ow, yes
[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, so.
[23:29] <hopsy> my raspberrypi does have a fixed ip address
[23:30] <hopsy> but I dont remember anymore
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> Oh I see
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[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> What operating system is the laptop?
[23:30] <hopsy> I thought maybe there is a way to focuse that out
[23:30] <hopsy> osx
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> You'll probably see NTP requests from the Pi on the network
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> So maybe Wireshark?
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[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> To elaborate:
[23:31] <hopsy> tcpdump will also work?
[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> Sure
[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> I find iptraf easier to read though
[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> But if it's just a single use case, tcpdump should work fione
[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> *fine
[23:32] <Sonny_Jim> Can OSX mount Linux filesystems?
[23:32] <Sonny_Jim> If so, just pop the card into the laptop and read it from the configuration file
[23:32] <Sonny_Jim> or like you said, monitor the output of tcpdump until you see a network time request from the Pi
[23:33] <hopsy> hmm, thats a second option yes
[23:34] <linuxstb> hopsy: What's the IP address on the laptop side of the cable?
[23:36] <hopsy> thats a really good question haha
[23:36] <hopsy> ifconfig shows too much stuff
[23:37] <hopsy> what is stf0 gif0 en0 bridge0 p2p0?
[23:37] <hopsy> p2p is peer to peer
[23:37] <hopsy> bridge is probably a bridge network
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[23:38] <hopsy> linuxstb: I think 192.168.2.108
[23:41] <ShorTie> you lookin for rPi ip address ??
[23:42] <Sonny_Jim> It's been statically set and hopsy can't remembe what to
[23:42] <Sonny_Jim> So the options so far are sniff the traffic for NTP requests or read the network config frmo the SD card on another machine
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[23:43] <ShorTie> here is sumfin gordonDrogon posted the other day that might help
[23:43] <ShorTie> [14:58:21] <gordonDrogon> ForSpareParts, run this command: fping -a -r1 -g 192.168.254.0/24 &> /dev/null ; arp -n | fgrep " b8:27:eb"
[23:43] <linuxstb> hopsy: In the absence of a better way, you could try to "brute force it" with something like: for a in {1..254} ; do ping -t 1 -c 1 192.168.2.$a ; done
[23:43] <ShorTie> [14:58:38] <gordonDrogon> where 192.168.254.0 is replaced by your own LAN address.
[23:43] <Sonny_Jim> Oh that's a good one
[23:43] <Sonny_Jim> It's looking for the manufacturers MAC address, good call
[23:44] <ShorTie> ya, looked interesting
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[23:44] <Da|Mummy> NOOBS contains openelec, correct?
[23:44] <shiftplusone> yessir
[23:45] <ShorTie> contian, nop
[23:45] <Sonny_Jim> linuxstb: Trouble is with that is the Pi might be on another subnet to 192.168.2.0
[23:45] <Da|Mummy> its one of the choosable OS' to install...
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[23:47] <linuxstb> Sonny_Jim: True. But it would just take 254 seconds for hopsy to test (he should be almost done by now...)
[23:47] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[23:49] * Sonny_Jim reads the fgets man page
[23:49] <hopsy> nice one linuxstb
[23:49] <Sonny_Jim> Found it?
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[23:54] <hopsy> nearlyy
[23:54] <linuxstb> That doesn't seem helpful in this context.
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