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IRC Log for 2013-11-26

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[0:00] <hopsy> linuxstb: I finnaly found a screen, it was on port 192.168.0.251
[0:00] <Sonny_Jim> :-)
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[0:03] <Sonny_Jim> I'm being super thick here, what's wrong with this struct declaration?
[0:03] <Sonny_Jim> http://pastebin.com/5MmPJw2X
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[0:04] <Sonny_Jim> Oh never mind
[0:05] <Sonny_Jim> The define was all wonky
[0:08] <hopsy> Sonny_Jim: I dont know my local ipaddress
[0:08] <hopsy> I cant focus that out
[0:11] <Sonny_Jim> Not sure how to find that out on osx, never really used Macs
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[0:38] <shiftplusone> great launch
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[0:55] <odin_> what options exist to have a Type-A talk (at relatively high bandwidth) to a Type-B but leaving its ethernet free ?
[0:55] <odin_> I am thinking the GPIO ribbon would be a good options (which also leaves USB free), is it possible to use a few GPIO pins for high speed networking ? and daisy chain 3 or more units ?
[0:57] <shiftplusone> How high speed are you talking here? The only real high speed interface that's usable is USB, and you can't use that to get two pis to talk.
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[1:01] <odin_> lets say 25Mbit/sec, is there no way to use USB via some kind of hub/reflector
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[1:03] <shiftplusone> I don't know what a reflector is, but you're not going to get 25Mb on gpio. I don't see any of that happening, but I'm no expert.
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[1:03] <iOS_Sean> ?
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[1:03] <odin_> a device that acts like USB Switch and allows connecting of multiple hosts to each other and sets up store/forward connections
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[1:05] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
[1:05] <Sonny_Jim> Why not just use two USB ethernet devices
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[1:07] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, do you really want to write your own network protocol?
[1:07] <odin_> trying to keep gadget count down, i.e. USB interfaces should be cheap, stick some ram on it and a micro-controller and it should be possible to setup point-to-point between multiple connects host moade USB ifaces
[1:08] <odin_> no need to write own network protocol when PPP already exists
[1:08] <shiftplusone> =/
[1:08] <iOS_Sean> You are going to spend a lit of time writing a protocol... How much I your time worth to you?
[1:08] <odin_> but yes a bespoke protocol would be just fine anyway, since I'd need that anyway over TCP/UDP
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[1:08] <odin_> and using a usb endpoing with libusb or whatever it not a lot more work
[1:09] <odin_> I have to write protcol over TCP/UDP (or USB) anyway, so what diff does it make
[1:09] <Sonny_Jim> I think you are misunderestimating how easy it is to work with USV devices
[1:09] <Sonny_Jim> *USB
[1:09] <odin_> if it is a BSD socket or a USB_foobar_handle is not that relevant
[1:10] <Sonny_Jim> or how hard
[1:10] <odin_> you enumerate devices, locate, aquire, connect, pass data, easy...
[1:10] <Sonny_Jim> So, you want a device that transmits data over a network that has a USB interface?
[1:10] <Sonny_Jim> Errrr
[1:10] * Sonny_Jim backs away slowly
[1:10] <odin_> no I want a powered devices that acts as USB peripheral with multiple ports
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[1:11] <iOS_Sean> A hub?
[1:11] <odin_> the RPi's would connect to it (lets say 3 or more, but upto 6)
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[1:11] <odin_> all the RPi use USB in host mode and think they connect to peripheral, except what the peripheral does it connect 2 RPi together and pass data between them
[1:11] <iOS_Sean> .....
[1:12] <iOS_Sean> Am I the only one here who doesn't see the point?
[1:12] * shiftplusone raises hand slowly
[1:12] <odin_> the point is that using the relatively cheap interface called USB, you can get multiple devices to interconnect a relatively high speed
[1:12] <Sonny_Jim> iOS_Sean: I'm staying waay out of this one
[1:12] <iOS_Sean> So, you have multiple USB Hosts connecting to one Device?
[1:12] <tpw_rules> or another fairly cheap interface called "ethernet"
[1:12] <odin_> yes
[1:13] <shiftplusone> all great in theory, but you first have to magic up such a device
[1:13] <iOS_Sean> Yeah... That breaks pretty much every USB protocol guideline in existence.
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[1:13] <Sonny_Jim> odin_: Stand on the shoulders of giants, don't waste time reinventing the wheel
[1:13] <odin_> you'd going to need to cite one or more clauses of USB guidelines on that
[1:13] <tpw_rules> i got wifi dongles for my RPIs for like $9.95
[1:14] <odin_> can't use wifi
[1:14] <tpw_rules> that will always be cheaper and easier guaranteed
[1:14] <tpw_rules> why not? use ethernet then, get a $20 switch
[1:14] <odin_> buying 10000 RPi is going to cost a bit, so getting model-A to work is a good cost saving
[1:14] <iOS_Sean> How, exactly, do you intend to make this magical USB data sharing device?
[1:14] <tpw_rules> you're not going to be able to make it USB compatible
[1:14] <iOS_Sean> ^ that
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[1:14] <odin_> using $3 USB interface parts and a microcontroller with a little RAM
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[1:15] <tpw_rules> it logically cannot be USB
[1:15] <tpw_rules> a device cannot have multiple hosts
[1:15] <tpw_rules> you would need two usb chipsets and a micro to pass data between them
[1:15] <iOS_Sean> ^ that. It ma use USB pluggers, but, it will not be a USB device
[1:15] <odin_> the store/forward doesn't need to save many packets, I don't need 25MBit continious across all endpoints, just say 3 at once max
[1:16] <tpw_rules> you _cannot_ have it without it being two separate devices joined together
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[1:16] <odin_> well no technically a device has multiple separate USB periperial intefaces
[1:16] <iOS_Sean> tpw is correct
[1:16] <odin_> these are then connected via micro-controller to allow exchange of data between
[1:16] <tpw_rules> you could do that
[1:16] <tpw_rules> but why
[1:16] <odin_> in USB we can use something to label and interconnect each node connected
[1:16] <tpw_rules> at that point use usb-serial chips
[1:17] <tpw_rules> they cannot be on the same usb network
[1:17] <odin_> because it should be cheaper than the price difference between buying 7500 RPi model-A v model-B
[1:17] <tpw_rules> it will not be
[1:17] <tpw_rules> what are you even doing with all of them
[1:17] <tpw_rules> i 100% guarantee you the best way is to splurge for model b and use ethernet
[1:17] <odin_> heh it will be by the time it is outsourcing production to CN
[1:18] <iOS_Sean> Why not just do it over ethernet / tcpip? You know... Something DESIGNED to do EXACT
[1:18] <iOS_Sean> EXACTLY what you are trying to do
[1:18] <odin_> well that is another option have a cut down model-B made up
[1:18] <iOS_Sean> A cut down model B?
[1:18] <tpw_rules> actually that might not be a bad idea
[1:18] <odin_> yes the model-A with just ethernet added
[1:18] <tpw_rules> do you need like composite/audio/hdmi?
[1:18] <iOS_Sean> ... That, basically, is a modelB
[1:18] <tpw_rules> well first, what do you need this many for?
[1:18] <odin_> only one on unit for every 4 to 6
[1:19] <odin_> the rest do not need composite/audio/hdmi
[1:19] <tpw_rules> what is this for?
[1:19] <odin_> a commercial project
[1:19] <iOS_Sean> ... What. Kind of commercial project?
[1:19] <tpw_rules> raspberry pis are probably not your best bet then. make your own board based on them. if you're willing to fab boards for some faux-USB interconnect, make the whole thing
[1:20] <odin_> involving camera/security/internet/etc...
[1:20] <Sonny_Jim> I think odin is suffering from "Not Made Here" syndrome
[1:20] <tpw_rules> and let's not forget things like writing 7500 sd cards
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[1:21] <tpw_rules> i'm sure you can get them for a buck a pop bulk, but still
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[1:21] <tpw_rules> it would be better to build your own board with memory built in
[1:21] <odin_> yes indeed
[1:21] <tpw_rules> so why don't you?
[1:21] <odin_> Sonny_Jim, not sure on how the NIH reference is relevant
[1:22] <tpw_rules> you're unwilling to use an off-the-shelf solution, preferring instead to do it yourself for little/no gain
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[1:22] <odin_> well it will be for someone else to look over full designs to then work out what means of production is available to save on costs and improve quality, it will be someone in far east doing that
[1:23] <tpw_rules> make your own custom board
[1:23] <odin_> no am using off the shelf, but a USB interconnect is the only part that is custom and doesn't seem to be out of the realm of possiblity
[1:23] <odin_> let me see what USB micro-pics there are around for a few $
[1:23] <tpw_rules> you'll need to glue two of them togethe
[1:24] <tpw_rules> can you use GPIO? wire the UARTs together
[1:24] <odin_> yes what is the possibility with GPIO for daisy chain? 25mbit ?
[1:24] <tpw_rules> no, the cpu can't go that fast
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[1:24] <tpw_rules> the uart might be able to do 1 or 2
[1:25] <tpw_rules> okay, i'm done
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[1:38] <Cykey> Is there a channel for electrical engineering?
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[1:38] <Cykey> or should I just ask here? :P
[1:38] <odin_> might as well, heh
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[1:39] <Cykey> I'd like to convert 120VAC to 5VDC. If I understand correctly, you need a diode bridge to get rid of the negative voltage, a few caps to smoothen it out, a linear voltage regulator (LM7805 should be alright) to get it to 5V and again a couple of caps to make it all smooth
[1:39] <Cykey> then you should have a steady 5V, right?
[1:40] <shiftplusone> Cykey, there's ##electronics
[1:40] <odin_> a rectifier ? but if you messing with mains AC don't hurt yourself
[1:41] <shiftplusone> and no, you can't build a supply like that
[1:41] <shiftplusone> not without a transformer in there as well
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[1:41] <odin_> Cykey, you need a transformer to get 120V down to near 5V like maybe 8V, since the difference is then smoothed out by regulator using heat to lose the enrgy
[1:41] <Cykey> odin_: yeah a rectifier
[1:42] <atouk> the pi is special because it's priced where you can give them to every kid in a class for labs/etpick up a cheap wall wart at radio shack, and all the work is done
[1:42] <Cykey> hm, well I've seen some people use rectifiers before
[1:42] <atouk> oops
[1:42] <shiftplusone> and it would still be quite inefficient. I'd buy a pre-made switched mode supply. Messing with power supplies is not for amateurs.
[1:42] <atouk> the pi is special bepick up a cheap wall wart at radio shack, and all the work is done
[1:42] <atouk> part of old message was still in buffer
[1:42] <Cykey> Has anyone worked with transformers before? Got a part number? :p
[1:42] <sney> don't you hate it when that happens
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[1:43] <Cykey> (also, I need it to be very small)
[1:43] <shiftplusone> why are you doing this yourself?
[1:43] <atouk> protip: girls laugh at small power supplies
[1:44] <odin_> Cykey, why not a remade PSU for 5V surely there are a lot of those around ?
[1:44] <Cykey> shiftplusone: I'm building my own PCB
[1:44] <Cykey> for a project.. ;P
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[1:44] <shiftplusone> Anything you make will be inefficient and dangerous, unless you know what you're doing.
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[1:45] <Cykey> shiftplusone: http://d.pr/i/knQM
[1:45] <odin_> Cykey, you can still power it from a power pack ? you can if you need to use 9V and do DC-DV regulation down to 5V if there is concern over noise/voltage drop/loading etc..
[1:45] <shiftplusone> >_<
[1:45] <atouk> look around for an old wall transformer. 7'5 - 9v and feed into onboard 5v regulator on the board, or just use a 5v supply
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[1:47] <ozzzy> I get nice little simpleswitcher dc-dc converters from china
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[1:49] <Vialas_Air> hi everyone
[1:49] <shiftplusone> hello again
[1:49] <Vialas_Air> hey shiftplusone
[1:49] <Vialas_Air> how you going?
[1:49] <shiftplusone> same as earlier this morning
[1:50] <Vialas_Air> you dont seem to change much do you
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[1:50] <shiftplusone> no, but I'll keep you posted
[1:50] <Vialas_Air> good man
[1:50] <Vialas_Air> so i still havent got the dam screen blank to stop working
[1:50] <Vialas_Air> :(
[1:50] <Vialas_Air> anyone have any ideas how to turn off all stpuid power management stuff off?
[1:51] <shiftplusone> sure, the arch wiki has a nice page on it
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[1:52] <Vialas_Air> i am using rasbian
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[1:52] <shiftplusone> I know
[1:52] <Vialas_Air> altho mabey i should switch to arch to stop the screen from blanking
[1:53] <shiftplusone> it doesn't matter what distro you're running
[1:53] <shiftplusone> it's the same software that's blanking your screen
[1:53] <Vialas_Air> hmm i seee
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[2:08] <Da|Mummy> im trying to pair a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to rpi openelec, but i cant seem to get it right, is there something i have to do outside of the openelec settings bt menu?
[2:08] <shiftplusone> sraue, ^?
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[2:11] <shiftplusone> Da|Mummy, the openelec channel might be an option if you haven't asked there already
[2:12] <Vialas_Air> hmm shiftplusone , i dont get it
[2:12] <Vialas_Air> is this the right page https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Power_Management_Signaling#Turn_off_DPMS
[2:12] <shiftplusone> Vialas, yes sir
[2:13] <Vialas_Air> hmmm
[2:13] <shiftplusone> xset -dpms; xset s off
[2:13] <Vialas_Air> the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf is blank
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[2:14] <shiftplusone> Vialas_Air, http://xkcd.com/963/ have fun
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[2:15] <Da|Mummy> funnily enough, i can even input the passkey with my bluetooth kb, but cant do anything else after that
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[2:17] <Da|Mummy> ok guess the one time i dont input a passkey, is the time it works :/
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[2:17] <Da|Mummy> kb at least, now to figure out the mouse
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[2:18] <shiftplusone> Vialas_Air, I think I found a simple solution for you http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=18200#p185781
[2:18] <shiftplusone> if not, that whole thread has a number of approaches
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[2:37] <Vialas_Air> lol funny one shiftplusone
[2:39] <Da|Mummy> ok so is there a good reason why i can only have either bt kb, or bt mouse connected? as soon as i connect one, the other disconnects
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[2:45] <Vialas_Air> shiftplusone, what i dont get is every thread about this issue
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[2:46] <Vialas_Air> seems to have various "solutions"
[2:46] <Vialas_Air> which work for some ppl
[2:46] <Vialas_Air> and dnot work for others
[2:46] <Vialas_Air> i have tried 4 different methods
[2:46] <Sonny_Jim> Is it bad practice to not fclose a file after using fopen, even if I opened it readonly?
[2:46] <Vialas_Air> none have workd for me
[2:46] <Vialas_Air> very odd
[2:46] <Vialas_Air> i think ill try the dudes script
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[2:52] <Vialas_Air> gosh i dont get this
[2:52] <Vialas_Air> * * * * * /home/pi/killScreenSaver.sh > /dev/null
[2:52] <Vialas_Air> -bash: Desktop: command not found
[2:52] <Vialas_Air> why is it not found
[2:52] <Vialas_Air> i dont want to go to desktop
[2:52] <Vialas_Air> lol
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[3:19] <azizLIGHTS> fyi, raspbian image from rasperry pi foundation 2013-09-25-wheezy-raspbian.img , if you run the default gui lxdm and run the browser midori, you will see fat black borders around buttons and text input areas, and checkbox and radio buttons on pages on the internet: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=4634&sid=b37ab217d77fa56209a9849714cee2f3
[3:19] <azizLIGHTS> there is a bug
[3:19] <shiftplusone> azizLIGHTS, still at it, ey?
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[3:19] <azizLIGHTS> shiftplusone: yeah but it looks like the way to "fix" it is to use iceweasel
[3:20] <azizLIGHTS> or try a different dm
[3:20] <azizLIGHTS> that uses gtk3
[3:20] <azizLIGHTS> thats what i understood from asking #midori and #raspbian
[3:21] <azizLIGHTS> is there a bug/issue tracker for the distribution maintained by the foundation that i can submit this to
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[3:21] <shiftplusone> Well, it's not really a foundation issue or a raspbian bug
[3:22] <shiftplusone> it needs to be submitted to the software that actually has the bug
[3:22] <azizLIGHTS> ah i see
[3:22] <azizLIGHTS> it is a bug with gtk2 they told me
[3:22] <azizLIGHTS> not midori
[3:22] <azizLIGHTS> ill try to find theirs
[3:22] <shiftplusone> and I suspect the gtk folks will say it's a midori bug
[3:22] <azizLIGHTS> heh
[3:23] <azizLIGHTS> if thats the case then well...
[3:23] <shiftplusone> and even if it gets fixed, that fix is unlikely to make it to the foundation image, since debian and therefore raspbian, will be using the older version.
[3:24] <azizLIGHTS> oh, right
[3:24] <azizLIGHTS> hmmm
[3:24] <ozzzy> azizLIGHTS: so don't run that version of wheezy
[3:25] <azizLIGHTS> ozzzy: what do you mean?
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[3:25] <ozzzy> if that image is buggy... load a different image
[3:26] <azizLIGHTS> well it might be that the other images also provide the same package of gtk2
[3:26] <azizLIGHTS> with the same bug included
[3:26] <ozzzy> I have no issues with midori
[3:26] <ozzzy> everything is fine
[3:26] <azizLIGHTS> ozzzy: oh? what image are you using, can i ask
[3:27] <azizLIGHTS> thats good to hear
[3:27] <ozzzy> not a clue... whatever was the latest when I got my pi
[3:27] <azizLIGHTS> can you check dpkg -l | grep gtk2
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[3:28] <ozzzy> mostly 2.24-10.2
[3:29] <azizLIGHTS> bizarre, same as me
[3:29] <azizLIGHTS> and midori 0.4.3 ?
[3:29] <ozzzy> yep
[3:29] <azizLIGHTS> hmmmm...
[3:30] <ozzzy> 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1
[3:30] <azizLIGHTS> yup same for me
[3:30] <azizLIGHTS> how do we have the same packages but not the same bug
[3:30] <azizLIGHTS> what website did you check
[3:30] <ozzzy> beginning to sound more like you've got a gnome setting messed up
[3:31] <azizLIGHTS> it only happens on some websites
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[3:31] <ozzzy> ahhhh... then it sounds more like a website problem
[3:31] <mdrjr> How can I install Ubuntu 13.10 on my rPi?
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[3:31] <azizLIGHTS> ozzzy: its not one website though, thats the thing
[3:32] <azizLIGHTS> i see it on elements like the checkboxes, radio buttons, or text boxes
[3:32] <azizLIGHTS> sometimes
[3:32] <azizLIGHTS> one where its very annoying is on gmail html version
[3:32] <ozzzy> could be the websites are using the same tools to build them
[3:32] <azizLIGHTS> https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html
[3:33] <azizLIGHTS> all the checkboxes on the left of the mails are surrounded by black borders
[3:34] <mdrjr> also, why that everytime when I connected my USB3 to SATA SSD adapter it shuts down?
[3:34] <ozzzy> gmail is fine here on midori
[3:34] <azizLIGHTS> im confused whats happening
[3:35] <azizLIGHTS> what would be hilarious is if i install iceweasel and it also shows the black borders
[3:35] <ozzzy> whatever iceweasel is
[3:35] <shiftplusone> ozzzy, are you running stock raspbian image?
[3:35] <ozzzy> shiftplusone: yep
[3:35] <shiftplusone> azizLIGHTS, does that happen always or only with vnc?
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[3:36] <azizLIGHTS> shiftplusone: im always using vnc
[3:36] <ozzzy> ahhh... I'm just ssh'd in
[3:36] <azizLIGHTS> i dont know if it happens without vnc
[3:36] <azizLIGHTS> it could be that you think?
[3:36] <shiftplusone> I have no idea
[3:36] <azizLIGHTS> i didnt even think about that, its a good point
[3:36] <ozzzy> ssh in and run midori and see if it still happens
[3:37] * ozzzy goes to soak
[3:37] <shiftplusone> I am just trying to find the difference between that you're using and what ozzy is using.
[3:37] <shiftplusone> *what
[3:37] <azizLIGHTS> well vnc is the big difference
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[3:37] <azizLIGHTS> im using another user besides pi
[3:38] <ozzzy> so... ssh in as whatever user you're using
[3:38] <ozzzy> ttfn
[3:38] <azizLIGHTS> i dont get how that works ozzzy ? ssh in and type midori on a terminal and do what? i dont have a monitor unfortuately
[3:38] <azizLIGHTS> im running headless, hence the vnc
[3:39] <azizLIGHTS> shiftplusone: also i would be outputting via composite, not hdmi
[3:39] <azizLIGHTS> so that might be different
[3:39] <shiftplusone> that shouldn't make any difference at all
[3:39] <shiftplusone> azizLIGHTS, what os are you running on your pc?
[3:40] <azizLIGHTS> where i vnc from?
[3:40] <shiftplusone> yeah
[3:40] <azizLIGHTS> windows 7 ultimate x64
[3:40] <shiftplusone> ah, nvrm then
[3:40] <azizLIGHTS> using tightvnc viewer
[3:40] <azizLIGHTS> well i do have cygwin here, fyi
[3:40] <shiftplusone> you can download an x server for windows and try x11 forwarding, but meh.
[3:41] <azizLIGHTS> but thatd be creazy lol
[3:41] <azizLIGHTS> on windows haha
[3:41] <shiftplusone> not really, it works quite well
[3:41] <azizLIGHTS> ive fooled around with it before, yeah it does work ok
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[3:42] <shiftplusone> I prefer it to vnc at least
[3:43] <shiftplusone> a bit of an odd question maybe, but why the hell are you browsing the net through vnc in the first place?
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[3:43] <shiftplusone> I suspect your pc might have a browser on it already, you know.
[3:43] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[3:43] <azizLIGHTS> hahah
[3:43] <azizLIGHTS> i know it looks wierd
[3:43] <azizLIGHTS> but ive got passwords and stuff on the pi that i dont want to use on the other computers lol
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[3:44] <shiftplusone> O_o
[3:44] <azizLIGHTS> im using the pi as a secure computer for browsing
[3:45] <azizLIGHTS> i can get to it from my phone too, which is nice
[3:45] <shiftplusone> hm
[3:46] <shiftplusone> Whatever kinds of works for you, I suppose.
[3:46] <tpw_rules> which one of you is doing the vnc? i'd recommend rdp
[3:46] <tpw_rules> seems more reliable and faster in my experience
[3:46] <tpw_rules> just install xrdp
[3:46] <shiftplusone> the crazy one is
[3:46] <azizLIGHTS> :)
[3:47] <tpw_rules> it's also compatible with windows
[3:47] <azizLIGHTS> id try that if they have an android equivalent
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[3:47] <azizLIGHTS> android client i mean
[3:47] <tpw_rules> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.rdc.android
[3:47] <azizLIGHTS> ah, nice
[3:47] <shiftplusone> tpw_rules, xrdp uses xvnc as the backend O_O (unless you are making it use x11rdp).
[3:47] <tpw_rules> i think rdp is a faster protocol over wires. it's always been better in my experience
[3:48] <azizLIGHTS> i use vnc because i can tunnel it through ssh
[3:48] <azizLIGHTS> on both windows and android
[3:48] <shiftplusone> so it's still vnc, but using a different protocol to actually transmit the data, ey?
[3:48] <tpw_rules> shiftplusone: sort of
[3:49] <tpw_rules> the rdp server connects as a vnc client to get stream data, then sends it with the rdp protocol
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[3:49] <shiftplusone> and that's somehow faster? =S
[3:49] <tpw_rules> yup
[3:49] <azizLIGHTS> tpw_rules: what client is there to use rdp on windows?
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[3:49] <tpw_rules> rdp is windows' desktop sharing protocol
[3:49] <tpw_rules> so it's like remote desktop client or something
[3:50] <tpw_rules> btw, in case anybody cares, i'm having fun with bare metal programming. had a usb-serial converter from an old project that just happened to match the pi's header
[3:51] <tpw_rules> using the sd card seems like it's going to be a pita thoughj
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[3:52] <shiftplusone> I bet
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[3:52] <shiftplusone> pretty sure it can be done though, check the bare metal sub-forum, I think that dex guy has that sort of thing figured out.
[3:53] <clever> tpw_rules: you can configure u-boot on the card to download something over tftp and run that on every bootup
[3:53] <tpw_rules> clever: i've got a serial bootloader going
[3:53] <clever> i was doing that with my kernel, but it randomly locks the system up half way thru the kernel download, 5mb was too much for it to do reliably
[3:53] <tpw_rules> how the hell did you get up to 5mb
[3:53] <clever> but with a baremetal program, your much less likely to hit that
[3:53] <clever> -rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 3.0M Nov 16 20:34 uImage
[3:54] <clever> rough guess, still close
[3:54] <tpw_rules> what is it 3MB of
[3:54] <tpw_rules> can't be just code
[3:54] <clever> linux kernel
[3:54] <tpw_rules> oh
[3:54] <tpw_rules> i thought it was a custom kernel
[3:55] <clever> i was trying to modify something in the stock kernel, and swapping cards was a pain
[3:55] <clever> so i made u-boot do it
[3:55] <tpw_rules> besides, i can get about 3Mbaud
[3:55] <clever> then it just randomly locked up half way thru the transfer, or tried to run half a kernel
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[3:55] <clever> i also need serial console while its booting up
[3:55] <tpw_rules> i'm considering the implementation of forth
[3:56] <clever> do if i was to use a serial bootloader, it would need to transfer to serial terminal before executing the kernel
[3:56] <tpw_rules> just have the bootloader spin on you typing boot or such
[3:56] <clever> so*
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[3:57] <clever> it would help more if it was fully automated, just reset the pi and it instantly transfer and dump out
[3:57] <clever> put
[3:58] <azizLIGHTS> i just had an idea
[3:58] <clever> could be done if i mod the bootloader on the host
[3:58] <azizLIGHTS> hwo do i take a screenshot?
[3:58] <tpw_rules> yeah
[3:58] <clever> azizLIGHTS: printscreen key?
[3:58] <tpw_rules> i'm planning on getting something like that done
[3:58] <shiftplusone> azizLIGHTS, on linux? using a screenshot program of your choice
[3:58] <clever> tpw_rules: the host app could sniff for a keyword from the bootloader, while acting as a serial console
[3:59] <clever> and then take over when it detects that
[3:59] <tpw_rules> yeah, i'm gonna do that when i get my second pi
[3:59] <clever> then you just smack the reset button and it re-sends the kernel, runs it, and dumps the output
[3:59] <tpw_rules> first one has an actual purpose; it's a backup server
[3:59] <clever> i was working on getting device tree working fully
[3:59] <tpw_rules> is there a reset button on the gpio?
[3:59] <tpw_rules> device tree?
[3:59] <clever> on the rev2 boards, there is a proper reset pin
[3:59] <tpw_rules> reset pin rather
[3:59] <clever> on rev1, you have to solder some fine wire to a surface mount resistor
[4:00] <tpw_rules> ah, cool
[4:00] <tpw_rules> or just appropriately bend a paperclip :D
[4:00] <clever> the reset pin has a pullup resistor to keep it out of reset
[4:00] <clever> and if you tap into the right side of that resistor, you gain a reset pin
[4:00] <clever> also, there is some trickery with gpio1/scl, the one directly oposite of gnd
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[4:01] <clever> if you ground that out durring bootup, it ignores config.txt and loads kernel-emergency.img
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[4:01] <clever> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=12007
[4:01] <clever> and if you properly halt the system (shutdown -h now) and ground that out, the firmware will re-read config.txt and run the kernel
[4:02] <tpw_rules> huh
[4:02] <clever> but my device tree problem isnt halting, it hangs waiting for a lock from an irq
[4:02] <clever> see the jumper on the 3rd pair of pins in that link?
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[4:04] <tpw_rules> usb device tree?
[4:04] <clever> device tree is to configure the kernel, to inform it what hardware you have
[4:04] <clever> it describes everything like the i2c and spi devices you have connected
[4:04] <clever> and what features are on the cpu
[4:05] <tpw_rules> ahhh
[4:05] <clever> in theory, you could share a single kernel between the rpi and other arm boards, by building in the gpu drivers for all the boards into a single kernel
[4:05] <clever> and then device-tree will pick the right gpu driver at run time
[4:05] <tpw_rules> except you end up with a 57mb kernel
[4:06] <clever> depends on how much you can stuff into modules
[4:06] <clever> and what is required for reading the root fs
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> clever: this is basically a lie alas.
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2013/05/msg00009.html is a detailed look at the problems of device tree on arm, and why the above promise is false.
[4:07] <clever> the initial problem i ran into, device-tree and atags use the same register
[4:07] <clever> so if you provide a device-tree, you cant supply the kernel cmdline the old way
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[4:08] <clever> SpeedEvil: it could still be used within a the rpi stuff, and to configure addon boards
[4:08] <clever> like an i2c touch panel
[4:09] <clever> currently, you have to hard-code the keymap for the mpr121
[4:09] <clever> device tree would let you put that into the tree, which is much simpler to edit
[4:09] <clever> but it currently breaks the entire system, doesnt even boot
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[4:11] <SpeedEvil> clever: Oh - yeah
[4:12] <clever> ive narrowed the problem down to 1 of 3 things
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> It's just a bit depressing there is no way toe ven reliably do cpuid on the arm world
[4:12] <clever> semaphores, irq, or mailbox addr
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> that is - CPU 'part number'
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[4:12] <clever> at bootup, it writes to a mailbox for power control
[4:12] <clever> then it grabs a semaphore, locking up the boot process
[4:12] <clever> and waits for an irq, which releases the semaphore and populates a buffer
[4:13] <clever> the irq never fires
[4:13] <clever> and the semaphore never hits cpu_idle_loop
[4:13] <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
[4:13] <SpeedEvil> Untested stuff on wierd architectures is a crapshoot.
[4:13] <clever> ive checked everything, and i cant see why those things dont work
[4:14] <clever> the mailbox is at the same address as during a normal bootup
[4:14] <clever> the irq# is the same
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[4:14] <clever> it makes no sense why the mailbox works under atags but doesnt under device-tree
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[4:18] <clever> SpeedEvil: hmmm, as for the powering crap over gpio nightmare in that post
[4:18] <clever> i would make a platform driver for that board, to handle the nightmare
[4:18] <clever> and device-tree would trigger it
[4:18] <clever> you would need some per-device platform code, but the trigger to say which platform would be dt
[4:19] <azizLIGHTS> i switched from midori to iceweasel, i dont see the black bars in iceweasel
[4:19] <clever> and if you run the kernel on another board by mistake, device-tree will save your ass and not run that mess
[4:19] <clever> if the bootloader somehow knows which tree to use
[4:20] <clever> but yeah, it is a nightmare
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[4:23] <nerdboy> azizLIGHTS: iirc, raspbian hasn't built midori with jit disabled
[4:24] <nerdboy> and it won't work right until they do...
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[4:28] <SpeedEvil> clever: But there is no stock way of telling what board you're on.
[4:28] <SpeedEvil> clever: you're back to before ISAPNP came and made it better.
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[5:00] <DeliriumTremens> dt is also the trigger to hilight me
[5:00] <DeliriumTremens> -.-
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[5:04] <aharris6> hi all, I am having trouble getting internet connectivity from my Mac to my Pi
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[5:05] <aharris6> It was working last night (first time booting up Pi), but now tonight upon reconnect ethernet, no luck
[5:05] <aharris6> it appears my eth0 has no IP address?
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[5:09] <Vialas_Air> shabius
[5:09] <Vialas_Air> shiftplusone guess what
[5:10] <Vialas_Air> nothing works ;(
[5:10] <Vialas_Air> so sad
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[5:23] <Vialas_Air> ok so sorry to sound like a broken record, does anyone know of a way that will stop power management on linux before i destroy my pi lol
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[5:32] <Vialas_Air> guess not
[5:32] <Vialas_Air> :(
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[5:51] <nerdboy> Vialas_Air: as in rebuild the kernel with pm support disabled?
[5:52] <nerdboy> that's not hard, but it shouldn't be causing a problem...
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[5:58] <Vialas_Air> nerdboy, what you mean
[5:59] <Vialas_Air> well i dont know why i am getting all sorts of problems turning off a feature which in my opinion is stupid in this day and age lol
[5:59] <Vialas_Air> monitors dont burn in
[5:59] <Vialas_Air> :P
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[6:13] <nerdboy> ah, but they do
[6:13] <nerdboy> i have one it work, a nice expensive lcd
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[6:14] <nerdboy> so you wan to disable just X windows power save/blanking?
[6:14] <nerdboy> that's just as easy (and a lot faster than building a kernel on the pi)
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[6:58] <nerdboy> Vialas: put this conf file in the right place
[6:59] <nerdboy> http://paste2.org/ApZKhwHe
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[10:35] <Vialas> hi nerdboy
[10:35] <Vialas> sorry i wasnt home at the time
[10:35] <Vialas> you there?
[10:37] <nerdboy> yeah, almost gone though
[10:37] <nerdboy> try that xorg conf snippet
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[10:39] <Vialas> oh thanks nerdboy
[10:39] <Vialas> your most kind
[10:39] <Vialas> now i gota find out where to put it and im hopefuly sorted
[10:39] <Vialas> lol
[10:39] <Vialas> googeling....
[10:39] <Vialas> vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:39] <Vialas> ?
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[10:39] <nerdboy> path is in the paste
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[10:40] <Vialas> oh you sneaky nerdboy
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[10:43] <Vialas> hmm the file is blank?
[10:44] <nerdboy> the last line is the path/filename
[10:44] <nerdboy> the rest goes in the file
[10:45] <Vialas> yea
[10:45] <Vialas> i went to that path
[10:45] <Vialas> sudo vim /path
[10:45] <Vialas> i get a blank file
[10:45] <nerdboy> oh, you mean the paste expired already?
[10:45] <Vialas> nooo
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[10:45] <Vialas> no file
[10:45] <Vialas> --> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf
[10:46] <Vialas> is blank
[10:46] <nerdboy> the xorg.conf dir probably doesn't exist
[10:46] <Vialas> i try to make the file and i get "Cannot open file for writing"
[10:46] <nerdboy> just create it
[10:46] <nerdboy> mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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[10:46] <nerdboy> then create the file
[10:47] <Vialas> thats odd
[10:47] <Vialas> it worked
[10:47] <Vialas> i thought if you vid VIM to a unmade dir it would make it for you?
[10:48] <Vialas> well it worked
[10:48] <Vialas> ill see tmr if it had an affect
[10:48] <Vialas> thanks for the help nerdboy :D
[10:48] <nerdboy> okay, now it's really past my bedtime...
[10:48] <Vialas> oh ok
[10:48] <Vialas> thanks nerdboy
[10:48] <Vialas> sorry to keep you up :S
[10:48] <nerdboy> np
[10:49] <nerdboy> you didn't
[10:49] <Vialas> have a good sleep mate
[10:49] <Vialas> oh good
[10:49] <Vialas> :)
[10:49] <Vialas> now im gona work out how to install bodhi linux :D
[10:49] <Vialas> have a good one mate
[10:49] <nerdboy> night
[10:49] <Vialas> night
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[11:02] <dagerik> im giving a raspberry pi to mom for christmas
[11:02] <dagerik> sha barely knows how to use IE to browse the web
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[11:07] <cff> How can I create a wireless access point on Raspeberry PI with ArchLinux ARM ?
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[11:10] <dagerik> cff: you need a wifi card
[11:11] <dagerik> cff: http://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-wifi-access-point/install-software
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[11:31] <cff> I have one
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[15:12] <hosler> good morning gentoo nerds
[15:13] <shiftplusone> gentoo? here?
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[15:15] <SpeedEvil> slackware++
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[15:49] <hosler> shiftplusone: lol wrong channel
[15:50] <shiftplusone> ah, that makes more sense.
[15:50] <hosler> but why not run gentoo on pi?
[15:51] <shiftplusone> plenty of people do.
[15:51] <hosler> cool
[15:51] <hosler> i feel like gentoo would turn my pi into a room heater when compiling base system
[15:51] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't because compiling would be a pain, but that doesn't seem to stop others
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[15:52] <shiftplusone> I haven't noticed the pi running hot at 100% cpu usage.
[15:52] <hosler> that's a good cpu
[15:52] <shiftplusone> Unless you are one of those people who panic when the temperature gets to 60C
[15:53] <hosler> mine gets warm from time to time, but that doesnt bother me
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[15:53] <Sonny_Jim> The main issue I have with Gentoo is that it's a waste of CPU cycles to compile something for a hardware platform that is *exactly* the same as many other units
[15:54] <Sonny_Jim> On a PC I can sort of understand tuning to each arch/CPU etc, but on the Pi it's pointless
[15:54] <hosler> Sonny_Jim: wasted cpu cycles are idle cpu cycles
[15:54] <shiftplusone> or the other way around >_<
[15:54] <Sonny_Jim> Not really, it's a waste of energy
[15:54] <shiftplusone> power consumption doesn't change much either
[15:55] <Sonny_Jim> When you are talking about a fixed hardware platform, it makes no sense to be recompiling for each individual unit as nothing will be gained from it
[15:55] <shiftplusone> well, there are use flags
[15:55] <hosler> why not?
[15:55] <hosler> yeah use flags will save space
[15:55] <shiftplusone> and you can use crossdev to make minimal systems like you would with buildroot
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[15:56] <Sonny_Jim> If I was putting out a fleet of Pi's to do whatever, I almost certainly wouldn't bother with Gentoo
[15:56] <shiftplusone> or compile packages on the pc (using crossdev) and set it up as a binary repo... and so on.
[15:56] <Sonny_Jim> Individual use cases I can understand
[15:56] <hosler> shiftplusone: that's not a bad pi project idea
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[15:57] <shiftplusone> hosler, have fun... I lost a weekend on getting crossdev to compile anything more than busybox and uclibc.
[15:57] <shiftplusone> disstcc would be a more serious option, I think.
[15:57] <Davespice> folks, Dune Legacy is now on the Pi Store; http://store.raspberrypi.com/projects/dunelegacy
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[15:58] <Davespice> you still need to supply the Dune 2 pak files though
[15:59] <hosler> shiftplusone: i would have thought there are some sweet docs that tell you step by step how to do it
[15:59] <hosler> given that it's gentoo
[16:00] <shiftplusone> hosler, gentoo embedded docs are "meh" at best, but the issue is with the ebuilds. Seems like maintaining cross-compatible ebuilds is too much work.
[16:01] <shiftplusone> but your mileage may vary 'course
[16:02] <hosler> i wonder why no one has set up a gentoo binary repo and published it online
[16:02] <hosler> since we all use the same hardware anyway
[16:02] <hosler> oh yeah use flags, oops.
[16:02] <shiftplusone> are you sure no one has?
[16:02] <hosler> wait
[16:02] <hosler> use flags are pretty much just for deps
[16:02] <hosler> shiftplusone: i havent looked
[16:03] <shiftplusone> I assume someone would've
[16:03] <hosler> me too
[16:03] <shiftplusone> with genericish cflags that would suit most people
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[16:04] <hosler> pi has there own wiki on gentoo.org
[16:04] <hosler> its*
[16:05] <hosler> and a crossdev tutorial
[16:05] <shiftplusone> nothing fancy there, it's not that crossdev is hard to use
[16:05] <shiftplusone> the distcc guide should be handy though
[16:07] <hosler> well i know what i'm doing this week now
[16:08] <hosler> just gotta setup ssh/firewall so i can do all this at work
[16:08] <shiftplusone> good luck
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[16:14] <Da|Mummy> does anyone here use openelec with sabnzb+ ?
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[16:54] <Hix> anyone know why this stopped after 2 hours? Loads of space on the SD left "raspistill -vf -hf -o tlapse_%05d.jpeg -tl 5000 -t 21600000"
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[16:54] <Hix> should be a shot every 5 secs for 6 houtrs
[16:55] <Hix> or hours :/
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[16:56] <Sonny_Jim> No error message?
[16:57] <Davespice> did it return to the command prompt or did it just hang/stop?
[16:57] <Hix> i was only ssh'd into it and disconnected after triggering the command
[16:58] <Sonny_Jim> Aha
[16:58] <Sonny_Jim> Did you use screen?
[16:59] <Sonny_Jim> or background the task?
[16:59] <tpw_rules> well why would it last two hours before dying?
[16:59] <tpw_rules> if such was the case
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[16:59] <Sonny_Jim> I don't know if raspistill daemonises itself
[16:59] <Davespice> it doesn't, it tied up the console
[16:59] <Hix> nope - not that I know of. The command was in a .sh which was chmod +x and triggered with ./tinelapse6h_5s.sh
[16:59] <Davespice> ties*
[17:00] <tpw_rules> also blargh, model b ethernet is a usb peripheral
[17:00] <Sonny_Jim> My guess is that Hix had the ssh window open for two hours
[17:00] <Hix> nope
[17:00] <Hix> killed laptop starigh after triggering the sh
[17:00] <Hix> my typing is getting worse on IRC :/
[17:00] <Sonny_Jim> Well, unless a process is backgrounded or daemonised it'll die when you close the ssh window
[17:01] <tpw_rules> which means i need to figure out the secrets of usb
[17:01] <Davespice> I would suggest to use screen for that, sudo apt-get install screen, then screen bash before you run your sh file, Ctrl A+D to disconnect from screen
[17:01] <Davespice> screen -r to reconnect
[17:01] <Sonny_Jim> It's Ctrl-a d
[17:01] <Sonny_Jim> Upper/lower case matters
[17:01] <overrider> tmux ftw
[17:01] <Davespice> typo
[17:01] <tpw_rules> and the 'd' is without ctrl
[17:01] <Hix> I'll try it. I could just set the pi to make the .sh run at startup by adding a sleep 20 after the first line is supose
[17:02] <Sonny_Jim> Hix: You misunderstand
[17:02] <Sonny_Jim> When you close the ssh window, it closes the shell and takes any processes you started in that shell with it
[17:03] <Hix> yes. I was thinking of not even ssh'ing, just adding the .sh to the relevant area, which i forget ottomh
[17:03] <Davespice> if you use screen you can safely disconnect from an ssh session, close the SSH window and come back to it later
[17:03] <Hix> etc/rc.d/rc.local i think
[17:03] <Sonny_Jim> GNU screen is a *very* useful app to use
[17:04] <Hix> though screen is useful to know as I often ssh from work
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[17:04] <Sonny_Jim> I don't understand how I did anything without it
[17:04] <Davespice> Sonny_Jim: yeah me too :)
[17:04] <Sonny_Jim> Although admittedly I only ever got as far as learning how to use the copy and paste commands
[17:05] <Sonny_Jim> Oh and split, that's another useful screen command
[17:06] <Tachyon`> you can use nohup to start things from the shell that don't terminate with it
[17:06] <Tachyon`> if you don't need htem in a screen
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[17:33] <Hix> how many people use C to create hardware integration on the pi? I've come from an arduino C [very limited[ background and would prefer to stick with C if possible
[17:35] <shiftplusone> Hix, look into wiringpi
[17:36] <Hix> willdo thx
[17:36] <shiftplusone> (and yes, C is the way to go.)
[17:36] <Hix> :D
[17:36] <Hix> good
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[17:43] <smjd> is SSH server enabled by default in Raspbian?
[17:45] <smjd> http://elinux.org/RPi_Remote_Access guess it is
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[17:46] <shiftplusone> yes
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[18:58] <Mahjong> hay guys probably noob question but I am running raspBMC and I was wondering if I could boot from a key press
[18:58] <Mahjong> I don't really wanna run it all the time, but I notice on shutdown all the mobo lights stay on so... tis doable?
[18:58] <pksato> Mahjong: is not possible. RPi dont have power manager circuit.
[18:59] <pksato> but, have third part modules that do.
[18:59] <Mahjong> Ah ok, thanks for the responce, I might just put it on it's own plug
[19:00] <Mahjong> It doesn't run hot so... maybe I could just leave it on
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[19:01] <pksato> laser cnc http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5321
[19:01] <torkelatgenet> I leave it on running raspbmc, no probs.
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[19:02] <pksato> Mahjong: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=59896
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[19:03] <Mahjong> Thanks pksato I will probs end up getting it
[19:04] <Mahjong> While I'm here any idea why the default screensavers cause crash/reboot?
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[19:05] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
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[19:05] <Sonny_Jim> It's not the BSOD screensaver is it?
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[19:05] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[19:06] <Mahjong> basically solar winds, and the other two psychedelia ones but dim works fine
[19:06] <Mahjong> Preview also crashes
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[19:09] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, I need another C project to be getting on with
[19:09] <Nefarious___> Write an interpreter :P
[19:09] <Sonny_Jim> So far I've done a quake3 server with IRC support that spawns bots for people in IRC, which you can then kick out of the channel by killing them in quake3
[19:09] <IT_Sean> Write a program to calculate Pi to the millionth place, then run it on a Pent Duce laptop with 128mb or RAM
[19:10] <torkelatgenet> Mahjong: Those to not work for me aswell.
[19:10] <Sonny_Jim> Latest one was a pager decoder that prints to IRC, currently running in #pagerbot on freenode
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> I had a program that calculated Pi to 1000 decimals once. Written in integer basic on the Apple II. It took 3 days IIRC.
[19:11] <Mahjong> torkelatgenat: ok no biggie then, guess I'll just wait for update
[19:11] <IT_Sean> that pager one is awesome, dude.
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[19:13] <Jusii> hah, reminds me of that 'process Doom' years ago. Every PID was some monster, and ofcourse PID 1 was the biggest. When you killed the monster, Doom killed that process.
[19:14] <Sonny_Jim> Jusii: That was my inspiration
[19:14] <Jusii> you had to kill PID 1 but you knew what's gonna happen then
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[19:15] <Sonny_Jim> The write up for the pager one is here:
[19:15] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=45142
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[19:39] <John1001> hello
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[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> hi
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[19:42] <saedelaere> anyone here got python pretty printing with linaro toolchain working in gdb?
[19:42] <saedelaere> when I start it i see "Python scripting is not supported in this copy of GDB."
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[19:42] <saedelaere> why would anyone compile gdb without this feature?
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[19:48] <John1001> Im still a beginner in Python and i made a very small python script and it just prints OK when i push the button (which is connected to a GPIO pin) but i want to print OK only when i push the button for 5 secs :) Can someone point me in the right direction please?
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[19:49] <shiftplusone> are you using interrupts or polling?
[19:49] <Sonny_Jim> Easy
[19:50] <John1001> hold on i'll copy the source
[19:52] <John1001> import RPi.GPIO as GPIO
[19:52] <John1001> import time
[19:52] <John1001> import os
[19:52] <John1001> GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM)
[19:52] <John1001> GPIO.setup(17, GPIO.IN)
[19:52] <John1001> prev_input = 0
[19:52] <John1001> while True:
[19:52] <John1001> input = GPIO.input(17)
[19:52] <John1001> if ((not prev_input) and input):
[19:52] <John1001> print('TEST!!! ')
[19:52] <John1001> prev_input = input
[19:52] <John1001> time.sleep(0.05)
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[19:52] <Sonny_Jim> Oh dear
[19:52] <shiftplusone> John1001, !
[19:52] <Davespice> paste bin
[19:52] <John1001> oops sorry
[19:52] <IT_Sean> pastebin!
[19:52] <IT_Sean> pastebin!
[19:52] <IT_Sean> pastebin!
[19:52] <IT_Sean> pastebin!
[19:52] <Sonny_Jim> Paaaastebin
[19:52] <IT_Sean> paaaasssteeee biiiiiiiiiiiinnnnh
[19:53] <John1001> won't happen again - sorry :D
[19:53] <Sonny_Jim> ____ _ ____ _____ _____ ____ ___ _ _
[19:53] <Sonny_Jim> | _ \ / \ / ___|_ _| ____| __ )_ _| \ | |
[19:53] <Sonny_Jim> | |_) / _ \ \___ \ | | | _| | _ \| || \| |
[19:53] <shiftplusone> John1001, so ahm... pastebin
[19:53] <Sonny_Jim> | __/ ___ \ ___) || | | |___| |_) | || |\ |
[19:53] <Sonny_Jim> |_| /_/ \_\____/ |_| |_____|____/___|_| \_|
[19:53] <Sonny_Jim>
[19:53] <John1001> lol Sonny :)
[19:53] <IT_Sean> HAHA... way to screw that up, shiftplusone
[19:53] * ChanServ sets mode +o shiftplusone
[19:53] <Sonny_Jim> figlet is awesome
[19:53] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, screw what up? Trying to kick Sonny without being op?
[19:54] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[19:54] <shiftplusone> bah. * IT_Sean
[19:54] <John1001> http://pastebin.com/9VWP08L3
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[19:54] <IT_Sean> LOL!
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[19:55] <Sonny_Jim> John1001: What I would do, is run a counter that increments every time it reads the button held down
[19:55] <Sonny_Jim> Once that counter goes over 5 seconds, bingo. If it detects the button being lifted, reset the counter
[19:56] <John1001> ah! good idea Sonny! (thank you)
[19:56] <Sonny_Jim> Or maybe you could abuse the debounce
[19:57] <IT_Sean> Channel rule #368843 Subection B: No abusing the debounce.
[19:57] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:57] <John1001> :-)
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[19:57] <phr> howdy
[19:57] * Sonny_Jim has a scout around for a new project idea
[19:58] <phr> i got it, yay!! ;)
[19:58] <phr> *jumps*
[19:58] <Sonny_Jim> Congrats
[19:58] <Sonny_Jim> What did you get, anyway?
[19:59] <IT_Sean> Make a thing with a button, and a display. When you push the button, the display displays "Please do not push that button again"/
[19:59] <Sonny_Jim> hah I love those
[19:59] <Sonny_Jim> The boxes that switch themselves off
[19:59] <Sonny_Jim> I'm leaning towards something software orientated, preferably in C as I can't be bothered to get the soldering iron out, too cold in my shed
[19:59] <IT_Sean> shed?
[20:00] <IT_Sean> you... do know you can solder indoors, right?
[20:00] <Sonny_Jim> Oh yeah
[20:00] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, then help me write a GUI framework. >.>
[20:00] <Sonny_Jim> But my shed is fun.
[20:00] <shiftplusone> >=/
[20:00] <Sonny_Jim> It has two pinball tables, a robotron cocktail table and a MAME cabinet
[20:00] <IT_Sean> But no heat, apparently.
[20:00] <Sonny_Jim> Oh god, what was the swear word this time
[20:01] <Sonny_Jim> pinball?
[20:01] <Sonny_Jim> Oh right
[20:01] <shiftplusone> lol
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[20:01] <Sonny_Jim> Don't even mention drinks that have been mixed
[20:01] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
[20:01] <IT_Sean> Clearly I missed something.
[20:01] <shiftplusone> !resetoffenses Sonny_Jim
[20:01] <shiftplusone> I can't spell again
[20:01] <shiftplusone> !resetoffences Sonny_Jim
[20:01] <sourcebot> shiftplusone: Sonny_Jim's offences have been reset
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[20:04] <Sonny_Jim> You need a database of words that contain swear words, but aren't actually swear words
[20:04] <IT_Sean> Sonny_Jim: Our programmer (the putz that he is) is working on correcting the swear word that's in a not swear word issue, i am told.
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[20:05] <Sonny_Jim> The dangers of false positives
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[20:08] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, still looking for ideas
[20:08] <Sonny_Jim> How about, erm. An application that plays different notes depending on network traffic?
[20:08] <Sonny_Jim> Audible network monitor
[20:09] <shiftplusone> you mean a dial up modem? D=
[20:09] <IT_Sean> HA!
[20:09] <Jusii> hoho
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[20:09] <chris_99> lol
[20:09] <Sonny_Jim> I think I can do that in one line as well
[20:10] <Sonny_Jim> tcpdump > /dev/dsp
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[20:11] <Sonny_Jim> actually I have a webcam
[20:11] <Sonny_Jim> I suppose I could mess around with that and openCV
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[20:14] <Sonny_Jim> You know what's cool? Lemmings with a webcam
[20:14] <Sonny_Jim> You create bridges and paths by moving your body
[20:15] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EgSkZetV4M
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[20:22] <kritzikratzi> hi!
[20:22] <kritzikratzi> is it possible to transmit whats on the screen directly to vnc?
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[20:22] <kritzikratzi> i'm talking about the problem when starting an openframeworks gui,
[20:23] <kritzikratzi> it seems to draw directly into the framebuffer
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[20:25] <Sonny_Jim> kritzikratzi: What you want is erm
[20:25] <Sonny_Jim> x11vnc I believe
[20:26] <Sonny_Jim> Or is that what you are using?
[20:26] <kritzikratzi> Sonny_Jim: what does erm stand for?
[20:26] <Sonny_Jim> That's the noise I make when I'm thinking
[20:26] <kritzikratzi> i'm using tightvnc at the moment,
[20:26] <kritzikratzi> ^ lol
[20:26] <kritzikratzi> but that only shows me the desktop
[20:26] <Sonny_Jim> Right
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[20:26] <Sonny_Jim> So what do you want to see if it's not the desktop?
[20:26] <kritzikratzi> the OF app will display on the screen i attached via hdmi
[20:26] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[20:26] <kritzikratzi> simply laid on top of the terminal
[20:27] <kritzikratzi> (i'm not starting X by default)
[20:27] <shiftplusone> I think there are framebuffer vlc options, but I don't have any experience with them especially on the pi
[20:27] <kritzikratzi> it's a strange native window thingie
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[20:44] <markedathome> hi all. does omxplayer support DIV3 (old divx), or is there any other player that can support it on raspbian, whether packaged or needs compilation
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[21:01] <gbaman> what could one blow on a Raspberry Pi?
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[21:01] <gbaman> Have a funny feeling I may have blown my pi :)
[21:02] <rikkib> The polyfuse is self healing
[21:02] <rikkib> May take a few minutes
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[21:03] <pksato> puting a jumper between gpio pin 1 and 2.
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[21:03] <rikkib> Drawing to much current from the gpio can kill it
[21:04] <rikkib> Putting 5v onto the gpio may kill it
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[21:04] <rikkib> Hammer tests tend to be totally destructive.
[21:05] <rikkib> Water tests same same.
[21:06] <pingo> I just bought a logilink 10 port 3.5A hub and plugged because my usb wifi was suddenly dropping and not reconnecting but the pi is still unstable. I think its even worse, the whole pi freezes randomly :|
[21:06] <pingo> which logs can I check?
[21:06] <gbaman> Well, it was being powered by the 5v line :)
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[21:12] <pingo> I am so disappointed with the r.pi I've upgraded every piece of hardware and it still is unstable and freezes randomly :(
[21:12] <Sonny_Jim> Not overclocked or anything?
[21:12] <pingo> no
[21:12] <pingo> it is revision 1
[21:12] <Sonny_Jim> And are you using it headless via wifi?
[21:12] <pingo> yes
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> Well then
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> To me that sounds like dodgy wifi
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> Rather than hardware locking up
[21:13] <pingo> i tried different ones
[21:13] <pingo> oh no
[21:13] <pingo> I have a keyboard plugged and a display
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> ah ok
[21:13] <pingo> not respondig either
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> got any logs?
[21:13] <pingo> which ones should I look at?
[21:14] <Sonny_Jim> have a dig through /var/log/*
[21:14] <Sonny_Jim> syslog, messages etc
[21:14] <pingo> ok
[21:14] <pingo> thank you
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[21:14] <Sonny_Jim> Might help in tracking down what's causing it
[21:14] <gbaman> rikkib something is making me lean towards the pi being dead...
[21:15] <shiftplusone> pingo, what's your tp1-tp2 voltage when it fails?
[21:15] <Sonny_Jim> And it's a better answer to your question than "Your PSU is bad"
[21:15] <pingo> Could it be a problem with rev1 ?
[21:15] <Chris____> Hello guys.. I was on last night as craynerd! Looking for more advice if possible
[21:15] <Sonny_Jim> Was that the pi for education discussion?
[21:15] <Chris____> Yes
[21:16] <gbaman> mainly along the lines of when i plug the pi in with no sd card, processor heats up rather rapidly :)
[21:16] <pingo> shiftplusone i dont know what it was exactly at that point
[21:16] <Chris____> Bearing in mind from what I've seen there are loads of add on boards and extras, if you was to purchase a pi "well kitted out" - what extras would you choose in terms of those most likely used in education in fun by students
[21:16] <pingo> but right now when its "unresponsive" its 5.15V
[21:17] <pingo> I bought the r.pi power supply manufactured for r.pi usage as it was suggested to me that probably i had an unstable psu
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[21:17] <pingo> from r.pi hut
[21:17] <plugwash> I think it would depend on a lot of factors including the budget, what you are trying to teach the students and what the ability level of the students is
[21:18] <Chris____> Well teach is an interesting word. The budget is quite high and it will be a one shot bid so I'd rather buy more than less as I won't be able to come back for more
[21:19] <gbaman> Is it for a club or a course, e.g. Computer Science?
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[21:19] <litb> hello all
[21:19] <litb> i wanna start playing around and wonder what "dremely" device i should choose.
[21:20] <Sonny_Jim> You mean a small drill?
[21:20] <litb> that can cut all sorts of material, yeah
[21:20] <litb> or grave stuff
[21:20] <litb> the primary thing to do was to build a case for the raspi, but i also wanna use it for other fun stuff
[21:20] <Sonny_Jim> And you are asking this in #raspberrypi ?
[21:20] <Sonny_Jim> Oh I see, tenuous link abounds
[21:20] <Chris____> I run an Arduino club as I am a chemistry teacher with a hobby in engineering and electronics www.raynerd.co.uk. BUT. Although I have had a RasPi, I was happy with my arduinos and mikroC stuff so sold it. However, in my arduino club kids are constantly going on and on and on about getting pis in !! My plan is to bid for 3 with extra for the library and let them explore... I'll help but no plans so to speak!
[21:21] <litb> i thought ppl in here may have experience with messing around like that :D
[21:21] <plugwash> how do they use the arduinos now? are they limited to just using pre-existing shields or are they actually wiring things up themselves?
[21:21] <gbaman> hmm,
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> litb: The best advice I can give is to *always* where eye protection when using a dremel/small drill tool
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> The discs shatter very easily
[21:22] <gbaman> Well robots are always good fun for kids :)
[21:22] <Chris____> Plugwash - are they hell using shields!!!
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> s/where/wear
[21:22] <Chris____> ;-)
[21:22] <Chris____> Infact, we have just been building some shrimping.it breaded shrimps!
[21:23] <Chris____> Full arduino made on breadboards.
[21:23] <Chris____> Please bear in mind, I don't teach computer science I just try and enthuse students because I'm interested. This is for them really because they keep asking!
[21:23] <litb> Sonny_Jim, ohh thanks!
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[21:24] <litb> i will come back and tell you when it saved my eye and praise you :)
[21:24] <plugwash> my general thoughts on most add-on boards is that they usually don't give you much that you couldn't easilly do yourself on a breadboard
[21:24] <shiftplusone> Chris____, 'clive' on the forum is in charge of the education aspect and has plenty of experience, might be worth contacting him directly.
[21:24] <plugwash> and by doing it on a breadboard you get what you want rather than what some board designer thought you watend
[21:24] <gbaman> seconded, breadboard it!
[21:24] <litb> i always thought of buying a breadboard to start learning electronics
[21:24] <pingo> how does one know if the sd card is in good shape?
[21:25] <litb> but never got around. i wanted to learn the basic theory first before doing real things, but it was too difficult to understand
[21:25] <Chris____> I would be inclined to agree however.... The budget is there and admittedly I'm going to try and bring in other staff as I can't give up all my time on this one like I have on other stuff...
[21:25] <shiftplusone> Is it rectangular with a corner clipped? (sorry)
[21:26] <Chris____> Litb - what is too difficult to understand? Hook up and led, make it flash, make traffic lights, build a rocket for nasa
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[21:27] <gbaman> at rjams we use these little things quite a bit http://www.piborg.com/ledborg
[21:27] <gbaman> but they are limited and eventually kids do get bored with them
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[21:27] <litb> Chris____, never got around how ppl can say "ah, here we need a transistor, ah here we need a resistor, and ...." and then they say "finish is our <put in whatever>"
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[21:28] <plugwash> Personally I'd be looking for expansion boards that let you do things that are difficult on a breadboard
[21:28] <litb> i mean, i know that a resistor somehow eats current so that a led coming after it doesn't die from the high power. but i dunno how it would ever be needed for anything "functional". if i read it up on wikipedia it just blows my mind :)
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> Errr
[21:28] <Chris____> Plugwash - any suggestions just to give me a few to search
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> It's for limiting current, that's not exactly a hard concept to grasp
[21:29] <plugwash> for example there is a board with a big grid of leds out there (think it's called lots of lights or so) which I think would be fun for kids
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[21:29] <Chris____> Litb - so putting it before a component like an led isn't functional???
[21:29] <plugwash> and building and driving big matrixes yourself is a PITA
[21:29] <Chris____> Ahh, like a matrix
[21:29] <Chris____> :-) good thinking!
[21:29] <gbaman> Would try and sell you my robotics boards that came in yesterday Chris, but have yet to even test them :)
[21:29] <litb> Chris____, hmm, good point :) i guess it is
[21:30] <Chris____> Robotics boards.. Tell me more!!!
[21:30] <gbaman> i think the way forward for hardware wise with the pi is robots :)
[21:30] <johnc-> has anybody made omxplayer available as a library?
[21:30] <Chris____> I think the way forward is robots .. Period
[21:30] <Chris____> I'm from the uk. Writing period justIf let wrong
[21:31] <gbaman> Well, you can easily drive motors with an H-bridge motor driver board
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[21:31] <rikkib> Chris____, Are an active Ham?
[21:31] <rikkib> Are you
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[21:31] <gbaman> have a while pile of these things we used to use a lot
[21:31] <gbaman> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dual-H-Bridge-DC-Stepper-Motor-Drive-Controller-Board-Module-Arduino-L298N-LS4G-/131041621405?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&hash=item1e82b0759d
[21:31] <Chris____> Yes, not so active!
[21:32] <gbaman> *whole
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[21:32] <plugwash> also make sure you get some male-female jumper wires
[21:32] <plugwash> so the kids can hook Pis up to breadboards
[21:32] <gbaman> and male to male... and female to female...
[21:32] <Chris____> Gbaman - have one of those down in my workshop!!
[21:32] <gbaman> just get a pile of jumper cables!
[21:32] <rikkib> Chris____, Wish I had a teacher like you when I was young...
[21:33] <gbaman> Well Chris____ you can easily use it with the pis, thats how we drove all our old robots
[21:33] <gbaman> very reliable
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> My electronics teacher was a cool guy
[21:33] <gbaman> and cheap (from china)
[21:33] <Chris____> Haha.. Thanks. I think the kids find me interesting... I do my best!
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[21:34] <Chris____> If I'm being honest, I wish I knew more about computing and electronics as I think it is an area they get no support with
[21:34] <gbaman> hc-sr04's are also good, cheap ultrasonic distance sensors, handy for avoiding walls
[21:34] <Chris____> Or certainly lacking.
[21:35] <Chris____> If I'm being honest, I've never seen a pi controlled robot! I'll youtube now. Like I say, I play with arduino and microcontrollers via Mikroelectronica stuff
[21:35] <rikkib> I grew up in a farming community in the 60 - 70's. Never had anyone to talk to about my interest in electronics
[21:36] <gbaman> here is one of our old prototypes in action chris____ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSiUeMk-IxU
[21:36] <rikkib> Learned everything from books
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[21:37] <gbaman> Our platform has moved on a lot since then but we are still not ready to release it :)
[21:38] <Chris____> Bloody brilliant gbaman!! Tell me something, how much would it be to buy something like that built. Let me explain why, firstly it isn't my money :-) so budget is not of MY concern and secondly, if I purchased 5 pis and one of them was set up as a robot WORKING that would interest, enthuse and inspire so much!! We could build from there and make one from scratch
[21:40] <rikkib> awesome robot
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[21:41] <gbaman> That one was an early prototype :)
[21:41] <gbaman> first boards for it arrived over the weekend
[21:41] <gbaman> pic.twitter.com/wiDfGw1sPQ
[21:42] <gbaman> and chassis has been sitting done for a while
[21:42] <gbaman> pic.twitter.com/vmJO8uJG6f
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[21:56] <f00bar80> why youtube isn't directly working in raspbian ?
[21:56] <litb> i plan to order two raspbis
[21:57] <litb> do i need to order two power supplies too?
[21:57] <litb> or can i use a single power supply and add some adapter to supply current to both of them?
[21:57] <litb> like, some 1-to-2 micro usb cable, if that exists
[21:58] <shiftplusone> f00bar80, because of proprietary software.
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[21:59] <ebhtura_> once I moved beyond one raspberry pi, I ordered a pihub - http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4803 - dunno if that is the best thing for you though
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[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> Hey I got this great idea
[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> It's like a USB ethernet device, but instead of using off the shelf I make it all myelf
[22:03] <karl-s> do-able
[22:04] <karl-s> i've been looking into the same thing
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> But basically insane.
[22:04] <karl-s> but its a bit harder than i thought
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> There is no rational reason not to purchase
[22:04] <karl-s> you 'could' save maybe $2-$3 via the DIY route
[22:04] <plugwash> what do you mean by "make it all yourself"?
[22:04] <karl-s> maybe more if you didnt protoype and bundled it all together with duct tape
[22:04] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[22:04] <plugwash> just solder the chips to the board or actually tie your own USB core to your own ethernet core?
[22:05] <Sonny_Jim> I was actually joking
[22:05] <Sonny_Jim> in reference to the nutter last night
[22:05] <karl-s> ah ok.
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[22:05] <karl-s> I realized when I was thinking of it, it was insane
[22:05] <karl-s> but there was one use case
[22:05] <karl-s> for a nice usb->4 port serial
[22:06] <plugwash> Though when I was chatting to eben recently he did suggest that if SMSC were to drop production of the lan9512 he may well design his own USB hub with ethernet chip
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[22:08] <plugwash> karl-s, are you aware that FTDI do USB to four port serial on one chip?
[22:08] <karl-s> yes, thats exactly why
[22:08] <karl-s> but then i found one of these: http://www.amazon.com/USBGear%C2%AE-Serial-Adapter-4-Port-RS-232/dp/B004EKKIRM
[22:08] <karl-s> and figured i wasnt going to save any money
[22:09] <karl-s> or time
[22:09] <karl-s> that chip is a qfn-64
[22:09] <karl-s> i dont really think I could even solder that myself
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> QFN is easy
[22:09] <karl-s> to me, QFN is intimidating
[22:10] <cff_> Does anyone know if I can use Element 14 Wi-PI wireless dongle as an access point for my Raspberry PI? i.e. Create a software access point where can I share my ethernet internet through the Wi-PI
[22:10] <cff_> http://www.newark.com/element14/wipi/module-wifi-usb-for-raspberry-pi/dp/07W8938
[22:10] <cff_> This one
[22:10] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe
[22:10] <Sonny_Jim> Depends if the card supports a particular mode, but I guess you know this already
[22:10] <mgottschlag> QFN is easy, as soon as one has the right tools - so basically, QFN is difficult for practically everyone :)
[22:10] <cff_> I don't know this
[22:11] <Sonny_Jim> for what it's worth, I have a few dongles and they all work in monitor mode
[22:11] <cff_> I need AP mode
[22:11] <Sonny_Jim> The magic google word is hostap
[22:11] <mervaka> hmm, i wonder if rrdtool can be bodged to work within gtk?
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[22:12] <karl-s> cff, google: rt2800 hostap
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[22:12] <karl-s> the review mentions that is uses the rt2800 driver
[22:12] <cff_> Sonny_Jim: I know about HOSTAPD, I want to find out if the Element 14 Wi-PI wireless module supports AP Mode
[22:13] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, so try what karl-s said
[22:13] <Sonny_Jim> do you have the dongle alreadu?
[22:13] <Sonny_Jim> *already
[22:13] <litb> nice site: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/ :)
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[22:14] <litb> didn't know they have a raspi domain
[22:14] <cff_> Sonny_Jim: I have it yes, but I can't boot my RPI
[22:14] <cff_> Sonny_Jim: to check
[22:15] <cff_> Sonny_Jim: lets see my if can get that information by plugging the Wi-PI to my laptop
[22:16] <Sonny_Jim> Is it a Linux laptop?
[22:16] <cff_> yes
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> Should be pretty easy then
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> install iw
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> (apparently)
[22:18] <cff_> My Wi-PI is RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[22:18] <Sonny_Jim> run iwlist
[22:18] <Sonny_Jim> or maybe:
[22:18] <Sonny_Jim> iwlist wlan
[22:18] <Sonny_Jim> *wlan0
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[22:18] <Sonny_Jim> or maybe even wlan1 if your laptop has a wifi interface (more than likely)
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[22:21] <cff_> Supported interface modes: RT5370 Wi-Pi dongle: * IBSS * managed * AP * AP/VLAN * WDS * monitor * mesh point
[22:21] <cff_> My laptops wireless card [Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG]: * IBSS * managed * monitor
[22:21] <cff_> :O
[22:21] <cff_> It has AP mode! Yay! :-)
[22:21] <Sonny_Jim> :-)
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[22:24] <cff_> Can't remember where I've left my SD Card with ArchLinux for ARM
[22:24] <cff_> I can install an OS on a USB and boot the RPI from it ?
[22:24] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
[22:25] <Sonny_Jim> The System On Chip needs to have firmware loaded from the SD slot
[22:25] <hosler> what about reiserfs?
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[22:26] <Sonny_Jim> You mean the 'I murdered my wife' filesystem?
[22:26] <Sonny_Jim> What about it?
[22:26] <autrilla> Why could my Raspberry Pi freeze on XBMC when playing a movie? OC is set to Medium, proc at 800mhz
[22:26] <hosler> cant that load all drivers to boot os from USB?
[22:27] <Sonny_Jim> hosler: I don't understand your question
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[22:27] <Sonny_Jim> I'll reiterate
[22:27] <hosler> Sonny_Jim: reiserfs is that thing that gets loaded before kernel, right?
[22:27] <Sonny_Jim> No
[22:27] <hosler> oh
[22:27] <Sonny_Jim> The Broadcom system on chip will not work until it loads, from a FAT filesystem, through the SD card, it's binary firmware blob
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[22:28] <Sonny_Jim> You will *always* need an SD card to boot
[22:28] <Sonny_Jim> But you can put the root filesystem on anything you want, USB, SD, network etc
[22:28] <hosler> i guess that's what i meant
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[22:29] <cff_> Then I guess I have to find the nearest shop tomorrow morning to buy an SD Card from it
[22:29] <hosler> i mean to say initramfs. not reiserfs
[22:29] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[22:29] <Nefarious___> [19:04] "(IT_Sean) Sonny_Jim: Our programmer (the putz that he is) is working on correcting the swear word that's in a not swear word issue, i am told."
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[22:30] <Nefarious___> "Our programmer"
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[22:31] <cff_> brogrammer?
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[22:32] <sney> otherwise known as the 'scunthorpe problem', something that's plagued internet profanity filters for as long as there have been internet profanity filters
[22:32] <Nefarious___> !removeop IT_Sean
[22:32] <sourcebot> Nefarious___: Op deleted.
[22:32] <Sonny_Jim> Isn't the solution just having a whitelist of words
[22:32] <sney> the actual solution, of course, is to restrict automatic enforcement to only the basic transgressions, and leave the rest up to the humans
[22:33] <Sonny_Jim> As in check for a swear, then check the whole word against a whitelist?
[22:33] <shiftplusone> Seems like separating out words would be the smarter way to go
[22:33] <Nefarious___> sbey: it IS up to humans :P
[22:33] <shiftplusone> use spaces and punctuation as delimeters.
[22:33] <Nefarious___> sney*
[22:33] <sney> I'd link the wikipedia article but if I say the name of that particular english town again, the bot will kick me
[22:33] <Nefarious___> PM it
[22:34] <sney> shiftplusone, exactly that
[22:34] <Nefarious___> !resetoffences sney
[22:34] <sourcebot> Nefarious___: sney's offences have been reset
[22:34] <sney> fuzzy resolution of profanity is always a bad idea
[22:34] <Nefarious___> I'll just part and region, my tablet is lagging.
[22:34] <sney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem
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[22:34] <plugwash> The problem is that people do use swear words as parts of words
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[22:35] <f00bar80> shiftplusone, so options do i have to get youtube working normally in raspbian
[22:35] <Sonny_Jim> f00bar80: The problem is flash, I believe
[22:35] <Sonny_Jim> Which the Pi doesn't have
[22:35] <shiftplusone> f00bar80, "normally"? none.
[22:35] <shiftplusone> But there are plenty of workarounds if you google
[22:35] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8157
[22:35] <Sonny_Jim> Or you could google for a solution, as whacky as that sounds
[22:36] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, you've just volunteered to be the channels google bot.
[22:36] <Sonny_Jim> Thanks
[22:36] <Sonny_Jim> http://stevenhickson.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/playing-youtube-videos-in-browser-on.html
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[22:37] <Sonny_Jim> http://blog.pi3g.com/2013/08/bringing-youtube-to-raspberry-pi-browsers/
[22:37] <Sonny_Jim> Need I continue? Y/N
[22:37] <shiftplusone> A
[22:37] <Sonny_Jim> I just tripled my productivity!
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[22:37] <Sonny_Jim> No wait....
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[22:39] <Sonny_Jim> dumb question time: Is there a search engine that I can ask a question and it'll give me an answer rather than links?
[22:40] <Nefarious___> Not that i know of, but you might like blackle
[22:40] <shiftplusone> Depends on the question
[22:40] <shiftplusone> wolframalpha is great for certain questions
[22:40] <Sonny_Jim> A channel I'm on has a quiz bot and I want to cheat
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[22:40] <Sonny_Jim> So monitor the quizbot questions and then send a request off for the answer
[22:41] <shiftplusone> hack into Watson and you're set
[22:41] <Nefarious___> Create a hook so it finds the answer when the question is asked
[22:41] <Nefarious___> Almost instantaneous
[22:41] <Sonny_Jim> Or
[22:41] <Sonny_Jim> I just find out what question database it uses
[22:42] <Nefarious___> Ah, clever
[22:42] <Nefarious___> Although it could be local
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[22:42] <Nefarious___> So you'd have no access
[22:42] <Sonny_Jim> Nah
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[22:42] <Sonny_Jim> I'd grab it from whereever they downloaded it from
[22:42] <Nefarious___> What channel?
[22:42] <Sonny_Jim> MoxQuizz apparently
[22:42] <Sonny_Jim> Oh it's a private irc server
[22:43] <Nefarious___> Oh
[22:43] <Sonny_Jim> old ravers hang out
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[22:43] <Nefarious___> Closed the wrong window -.-
[22:43] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[22:43] <Sonny_Jim> Cheese toastie tiem!
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[22:45] <Sonny_Jim> http://moxquizz.de/about.html
[22:46] <Sonny_Jim> Although the source download is only 700KB so I'm guessing it's a remote database
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[22:47] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, apparently not
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[22:49] <gbaman> hmm, have a funny feeling pi is blown, plug it is, red led comes on, flickers a bit and is dim, processor gets very hot very fast
[22:49] <gbaman> suggestions?
[22:51] <Sonny_Jim> Have you measured what voltages it's got?
[22:51] <Sonny_Jim> ie checked all the test points
[22:52] <Sonny_Jim> Meanwhile, I've just found the question databases the quiz bot uses and they are all plain text :-)
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[22:55] <Nefarious___> Really? :O
[22:56] <Nefarious___> Get a loop going and use cURL to find answers or something
[22:56] <Nefarious___> Or do it yourself
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[22:57] <Nefarious___> How many questions?
[22:58] <Sonny_Jim> Oh not that many
[22:58] <Sonny_Jim> 5000 odd
[22:58] <Nefarious___> That's quite a lot
[22:58] <Sonny_Jim> I know it's totally the wrong language to use, but I'm going to do it in C as I'm trying to learn it
[22:58] <Nefarious___> It's not that unsuitable
[22:58] <shiftplusone> C is never the wrong language to use D=
[22:58] <Sonny_Jim> It's not ideal
[22:59] <Sonny_Jim> perl I think would be better
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[22:59] <Sonny_Jim> Great nick
[22:59] <Nefarious___> May i adk why C not C++?
[22:59] <Nefarious___> Ask*
[22:59] <Sonny_Jim> I have no idea about OOP and the other project I like to tinker with is C
[22:59] <Sonny_Jim> http://code.google.com/p/freewpc/
[22:59] <Sonny_Jim> It's a 2MHz 6809 CPU
[23:00] <Nefarious___> Ah so it's useful in other areas besides general programming?
[23:00] <Sonny_Jim> Learning C?
[23:00] <Nefarious___> I thought that's what you meant
[23:01] <Nefarious___> Nvm XD
[23:01] <Sonny_Jim> I think I confused myself
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[23:01] <Sonny_Jim> What i meant was, the other project I like to tinker with besides the Pi, is writing code for old pinball tables
[23:01] <Sonny_Jim> But as they used a 6809, I'm pretty much limited to C
[23:01] <Nefarious___> That's fair enough then
[23:02] <Sonny_Jim> Plus I'm not really in the frame of mind to be learning another language
[23:02] <Nefarious___> :OOOOOOO KITKAT UPDATE HAS BEEN PUSHED
[23:02] <shiftplusone> Personally, I use C over C++ because I don't write anything complicated enough to benefit from OOP. As far as microcontrollers go, they also usually have better C support and C spits out smaller binaries.
[23:03] <Nefarious___> rofl, "Pixmania: Christmas discount in the entire Lego range"
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[23:08] <Nefarious___> _BigWings_ is still doing it
[23:08] <Nefarious___> After two and a half days
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[23:10] <Nefarious___> Oh well I'll get the update then come back
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[23:14] <smjd> http://hastebin.com/raw/wenaxefuko
[23:16] <Sonny_Jim> What's jdoom?
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[23:16] <smjd> the engine for playing Doom
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[23:17] <smjd> ... in Doomsday engine
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[23:20] <Nefarious___> Hm,
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[23:21] <smjd> there's still some things optimized out in the backtrace, should I install more debug symbols?
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[23:23] <shiftplusone> smjd, are you porting it from an armv7 device or something?
[23:24] <smjd> no, I just installed it with apt-get
[23:24] <shiftplusone> hm, go figure
[23:26] <shiftplusone> I'll preface this with "I have no idea what I am talking about", but the reference to _armv7_neon_probe is strange given than the pi is armv6 and has no NEON instructions. It sounds like that version was optimized and compiled for another device or something
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[23:28] <plugwash> note: the first error you hit in a debugger isn't always the real error
[23:29] <smjd> it's a fresh Raspbian install from today, and I haven't installed anything out of the repositories... though I ran rpi-update
[23:29] <smjd> outside of the repositories*
[23:29] <plugwash> smjd, what happens if you try and run jdoom WITHOUT using a debugger?
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[23:30] <smjd> just segmentation fault
[23:31] <plugwash> to get a backtrace of the segmentation fault you need to continue past that illegal instruction trap (which i'm pretty sure not a real error)
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[23:34] <plugwash> it's normal to see a couple of illegal instruction traps when trying to debug stuff that uses openssl
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[23:34] <smjd> I have no idea how to continue past that
[23:35] <clever> smjd: can you enable core dumps?
[23:35] <plugwash> type continue at the gdb prompt
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[23:36] <smjd> clever: I know only "bt" about debugging
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[23:36] <clever> smjd: without any debugger, just run ulimit -c unlimited
[23:37] <clever> then crash the program, it should say segmentation fault (core dumped)
[23:38] <smjd> okay, where's the file?
[23:38] <clever> it should just be 'core' in the current dir
[23:38] <clever> run gdb /path/to/program /path/to/core
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[23:39] <clever> you can then do almost anything you could do normaly, except continue and run functions
[23:39] <smjd> can't see the core file
[23:39] <clever> did it say it core dumped?
[23:39] <smjd> yes
[23:40] <clever> *looks*
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[23:40] <clever> cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[23:40] <clever> what does this output>
[23:40] <clever> ?
[23:41] <smjd> core
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[23:41] <clever> then it should create a file called core in whatever the current directory is
[23:41] <clever> which the program may have changed before crashing
[23:42] <smjd> oh... should I check some local config directory?
[23:42] <clever> and it will only be in a dir that program can write to, but you can reconfigure it
[23:42] <smjd> okay, found it in ~/.deng/core
[23:42] <clever> echo '/tmp/core.%e.%p.%h' > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[23:42] <clever> this command forces all core dumps to go into /tmp/
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[23:43] <clever> and gives them a better name, so you can tell whats what
[23:43] <clever> core.ffmpeg.15769.rob1 core.ffmpeg.16297.rob1 core.ffmpeg.17716.rob1 core.ffmpeg.18021.rob1 core.ffmpeg.18662.rob1 core.ffmpeg.19114.rob1 core.ffmpeg.19638.rob1 core.squid.18791.theP4
[23:43] <clever> an example of what that pattern produces
[23:44] <smjd> http://hastebin.com/raw/somocidula
[23:45] <smjd> oh, right, backtrace
[23:45] <smjd> http://hastebin.com/raw/nimegasire
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[23:46] <clever> looks like it wasnt compiled with debugging enabled
[23:46] <clever> or a buffer on the stack was overran
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[23:52] <smjd> after installing SDL debug symbols it turns into this http://hastebin.com/raw/vuxocowoti
[23:52] <smjd> but that didn't help at all, did it?
[23:53] <clever> it helped a little
[23:53] <clever> but you also need the debug symbols for doomsday
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[23:54] <smjd> guess so
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[23:55] <smjd> I think I'll try it later
[23:55] <smjd> it doesn't seem to have a debug package
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