#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-11-27

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[0:00] <helljawz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT2OXRkDIK0
[0:02] <ilreh_> does anybody know pi colocation hosters?
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[0:04] <gregor3005> hi, today i bought my first raspberry pi and i have many ideas what i would do with it. is there a list what people make with the raspberry pi?
[0:04] <clever> gregor3005: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=46f7c33891f7e4386f2ce2537b3a1f50
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[0:08] <gregor3005> clever: thanks. i would use the raspberry pi as server but i thought i can use it as workstation for my mother as xmas present. do you think it is possible? the raspbian is currently downloading. which window manager is the fastest for the raspi? xfce?
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[0:10] <SpeedEvil> gregor3005: No.
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[0:11] <SpeedEvil> gregor3005: Under no circumstances is the pi suitable to be used as a desktop for anyone you care about.
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[0:11] <SpeedEvil> Unless slow console mode is fine.
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> Web browsing is best described as comedic.
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[0:12] <gregor3005> SpeedEvil: ok, not good to hear. one of my ideas was to build a infoscreen for the firefighters about current alerts in the district
[0:12] <clever> that sounds fine, as long as its not web based
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> Very, very simple web pages work.
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> Basically anything else risks slowing to a crawl.
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> Standard stuff like ebay or gmail for example.
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[0:20] <gregor3005> juhu the rasbpi is boot from the noobs lite system, i love it when it is so easy :-) also a nice screen on my tv
[0:21] <gregor3005> is it possible to open videos from shares, if yes what is a good player, vlc?
[0:21] <ilreh_> browsing is fine if you can live without javascript
[0:22] <gregor3005> also funny will be a wifi audio player
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[0:23] <shiftplusone> gregor3005, Yes, you can play videos from (windows?) shares. The media player to use is omxplayer.
[0:23] <clever> gregor3005: ive heard that vlc has gpu support, but havent tried it yet
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[0:23] <clever> omxplayer works as well
[0:24] <gregor3005> shiftplusone: i try ssh or nfs share
[0:24] <gregor3005> thanks its on my todo list
[0:24] <clever> ssh will be much slower, due to the encryption
[0:24] <shiftplusone> nfs would be the proffered method, yeah.
[0:25] <shiftplusone> clever, vlc has gpu support? The current version of vlc that's in the repo?
[0:25] <clever> shiftplusone: i have been having wierd problems with one of my nfs servers, it keeps claiming files dont exist
[0:25] <clever> shiftplusone: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/230#issuecomment-29291040
[0:25] <litb> does USB2 speed suffice to watch a full-hd AVC encoded movie?
[0:26] <shiftplusone> I've seen a lot about talk of vlc supporting omx, but nothing about it *actually* working.
[0:26] <clever> litb: encoded, or raw?
[0:26] <litb> i mean, assuming the movie is on a USB disk
[0:26] <clever> litb: the ethernet is already on the usb bus, and ive had no problem with 40mbps h264 videos over that
[0:26] <litb> clever, H264 /AVC or MPEG2 encoded
[0:26] <litb> ah nice
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[0:27] <gregor3005> does anybody used the rasbpi as an wifi player from internet radios?
[0:27] <litb> i wonder what harddrive i should get. currently i'm leaning towards Western Digital Elements portable 1TB, but it'S USB3 so that seems overkill
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[0:27] <litb> perhaps i can get an older one that is cheaper than 65 then. recommended?
[0:28] <clever> i just put all my drives into a normal desktop that sits in the basement
[0:28] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[0:28] <clever> rob1:/media/videos/4tb 3.7T 1.5T 2.2T 40% /media/videos/4tb
[0:28] <litb> hm, not familiar with the rob1:/ notation
[0:29] <litb> how come the mountpoint is also the device
[0:29] <clever> nfs
[0:29] <clever> hostname:/path/on/server
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[0:34] <litb> ah i see
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[0:35] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[0:35] <clever> rob1:/media/videos/1tb 932G 752G 180G 81% /media/videos/1tb
[0:35] <clever> sakura:/media/videos/15tb 1.4T 1.2T 200G 86% /media/videos/15tb
[0:35] <clever> litb: theres another 2 drives here
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[0:36] <litb> ah i see
[0:36] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[0:36] <clever> /dev/sda1 73G 28G 46G 38% /
[0:36] <clever> thep4.localnet:/media/mainlv 517G 179G 338G 35% /media/mainlv
[0:36] <clever> /dev/sdb1 149G 132G 18G 89% /160g
[0:36] <clever> and another 3 drives!
[0:36] <litb> looks fun. are those paths on rob1 and sakura mountpoints on those boxes again?
[0:36] <litb> recursive mounts. lulz
[0:36] <clever> yeah
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[0:36] <clever> if i ssh into the right box and run df -h there
[0:36] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[0:37] <clever> /dev/sda1 3.7T 1.5T 2.2T 40% /media/videos/4tb
[0:37] <clever> /dev/mapper/media-1tb 932G 752G 180G 81% /media/videos/1tb
[0:37] <clever> it reveals the real path
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[0:41] <litb> i see
[0:41] <ShorTie> show off, lol.
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[0:49] <helljawz> http://poragoranada.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/how-to-run-omxplayer-remotely-from-your-desktop-via-sshnfs/
[0:49] <helljawz> I just posted it
[0:49] <helljawz> I drafted it when I was stoned
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[0:50] <clever> i would avoid using sshfs
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[0:50] <helljawz> it's not sshfs
[0:50] <clever> ah
[0:50] <helljawz> it's nfs + ssh
[0:51] <clever> ah, a script to remotely run omxplayer and feed it a file over nfs
[0:51] <clever> ssh=`which ssh`
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[0:51] <clever> this part is pointless
[0:51] <clever> if which can find it, so can bash
[0:51] <clever> so it does nothing to help you, and just slows things down more
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[0:52] <clever> the rest, did you try quotes?
[0:52] <clever> bash has many different quote modes
[0:52] <litb> does the speed of usb2 suffice for DVB-C usb sticks?
[0:52] <litb> when using HD TV? (planning to do a PVR)
[0:53] <helljawz> clever, I'm not a sh expert, I just thought it was 'good manners'
[0:53] <clever> it might handle one stream, but it will likely have a lot of trouble recording that
[0:53] <clever> the only reason you need to give the full path like that, is when $PATH isnt setup right
[0:53] <clever> and if its not setup right, which wont be able to find it for you
[0:53] <clever> and whats with that awk mess?
[0:54] <helljawz> awk is a mess for me
[0:54] <clever> you shouldnt need that, at all
[0:54] <litb> clever, hmm. i thought i would record it on a HD. too bad if the rasp is not powerful enough to record it :/
[0:54] <litb> can't it decode all the formats in hardware?
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[0:54] <karl-s> only if the software supports the hardware offload
[0:54] <litb> wait it doesn't need to decode
[0:55] <litb> oh
[0:55] <hybr1d8> litb: I have a dual-tuner and a single-tuner DVB-T usb dongle attached via USB2 and can get it recording 3 HD channels all at once
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[0:55] <litb> oh
[0:55] <clever> litb: the harddrive is also on the same usb port as the dvb dongle
[0:55] <helljawz> I don't know a simplier to do that
[0:55] <helljawz> clever,
[0:55] <clever> so thats doubling the load on the usb port
[0:55] <helljawz> like
[0:55] <clever> helljawz: let me check it on my end quickly
[0:55] <litb> clever, ah. will it be different if i put the DVB dongle on the second USB port of the rasp?
[0:56] <clever> litb: the cpu only has a single usb port
[0:56] <clever> there is a usb hub on the board
[0:56] <helljawz> %f parses the filepath like /mnt/blabla/movie space space.mkv
[0:56] <litb> ah i see
[0:56] <helljawz> not /mnt/blabla/movie\ space\ space.mkv
[0:56] <clever> helljawz: one min
[0:56] <helljawz> kk
[0:56] <hybr1d8> IO is likely to be the limitation - but a single HD stream should be fine to read from usb tuner and write to disk
[0:57] <hybr1d8> cpu usage is fairly minimal since it is pretty much just a copy (no processing done on stream)
[0:57] <hybr1d8> as long as you don't try to split the stream
[0:58] <clever> ssh $user@$host -p $port md5sum "$@"
[0:58] <clever> helljawz: this works perfectly, no awk mess
[0:58] <clever> let me try with spaces in the name
[0:58] <clever> ok, spaces do cause issues
[0:58] <mervaka> awesome, hooked rrdtool up to gtk :D
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[0:59] <hybr1d8> try "$*" instead of "$@"
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[0:59] <clever> nope
[1:00] <hybr1d8> "$@" will expand to "word1" "word2" "word3" while "$*" expands to "word1 word2 word3"
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[1:00] <karl-s> try using a single quote instead of a double quote
[1:00] <clever> the problem is that when it goes thru ssh, it gets broken up more
[1:00] <clever> i did, then it did even less
[1:00] <clever> ssh $user@$host -p $port md5sum '"'"$*"'"'
[1:00] <karl-s> ssh $user@$host -p $port md5sum '$@'
[1:00] <clever> the one i just pasted works perfectly
[1:01] <clever> and is way better then the awk mess helljawz bloged
[1:01] <karl-s> thats what you get for using perl :P
[1:01] <karl-s> awk is the best
[1:01] <clever> FILEPATH=$(echo “$@” | awk ‘{gsub(” “,”\\ “);gsub(“\\(“,”\\(“);gsub(“\\)”,”\\)”);gsub(“\\[","\\[");gsub("\\]“,”\\]”);gsub(“\\{“,”\\{“);gsub(“\\}”,”\\}”);gsub(“,”,”\\,”);print}’)
[1:01] <clever> karl-s: anything is better then this
[1:01] <karl-s> oh well
[1:01] <karl-s> nevermind
[1:01] <karl-s> yea i agree
[1:01] <karl-s> thats pretty nasty
[1:01] <clever> '"'"$*"'"' does the job perfectly
[1:01] <[Saint]> I....uhhh....ew.
[1:02] <[Saint]> That's hilarious for its own reasons, but its a lot cleaner, yes. :)
[1:02] <clever> '"' makes bash output a "
[1:02] * [Saint] nods
[1:02] <clever> "$*" or "$@" make it output the rest without an issue
[1:02] <clever> hmmm
[1:02] <clever> '"'"$@"'"' also works
[1:04] <helljawz> clever, will try
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[1:08] <litb> asked on SE: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/q/11946/10838
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[1:09] <helljawz> clever, it doesn't worked here
[1:09] <helljawz> clever, dpaste.com
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[1:10] <clever> helljawz: http://dpaste.com/1484356/
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[1:11] <helljawz> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[1:11] <helljawz> for some reason it does't parse it correctly
[1:11] <clever> maybe "%f" for your input?
[1:11] <clever> so it goes in right
[1:11] <helljawz> yeah
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[1:12] <helljawz> yeah, clever
[1:12] <helljawz> it worked
[1:12] <helljawz> thanks
[1:12] <helljawz> for making it cleanner
[1:13] <clever> and for my next trick, making omxplayer compile right under the pi
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[1:14] <helljawz> I can compile it on arch linux
[1:14] <helljawz> but its script does't initialize dbus, so I had to use an alternate omxplayer script
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[1:15] <clever> i found that prepare-native-raspbian.sh didnt install dbus at all, and failed to setup gcc 4.7 right
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[1:15] <clever> arch obviously cant do any of those commands, so you likely just fixed things as you read it
[1:15] <Da|Mummy> anyone here use sabnzbd+ on openelec? ive some questions id like to ask
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[1:21] <johnc-> woo, can't find anything out there so I guess I'll compile omxplayer as a library myself!
[1:23] <clever> johnc-: ?
[1:23] <helljawz> clever, I don't understand why ‘”‘”$@”‘”‘ works
[1:23] <helljawz> what should I know?
[1:23] <helljawz> haha
[1:24] <clever> helljawz: "$@" will send all of the arguments to the far end, and not quote it
[1:24] <johnc-> clever, I have need to embed omxplayer into my app and invoking it doesn't give me the control I want
[1:24] <clever> but then ssh runs sh -c .....
[1:24] <clever> which then treats the spaces badly
[1:24] <clever> so you wrap the whole thing with '"' which the local bash turns into "
[1:24] <clever> johnc-: does it have to be omxplayer?
[1:25] <clever> johnc-: this is half the reason i'm fixing mplayer, mplayer -slave gives you total control
[1:25] <johnc-> clever, well, I need 1080p playback on pi
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[1:26] <clever> johnc-: id say your simplest option is to modify omxplayer so you can control it when invoking it
[1:26] <clever> dont try making it into a lib, just add the controls you need
[1:27] <clever> the 2nd option, help me fix mplayer, then just use mplayer -slave which gives total control over it
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[1:28] <johnc-> compiling omxplayer to a library is hardly difficult
[1:28] <johnc-> just need to export some basic api methods and compile with some different args to gcc
[1:29] <clever> several of the -D flags are key to the entire thing working
[1:29] <clever> omx just silently hangs if you dont use the right ones
[1:30] <johnc-> right, I'm just gonna change the makefile to add a library target, copy the gcc invocation and change the output file and build type
[1:30] <clever> and you must compile omxplayer with gcc 4.7
[1:30] <clever> it doesnt work with 4.6
[1:31] <johnc-> I have already compiled omxplayer itself on the pi
[1:31] <johnc-> and it works
[1:31] <clever> that helps
[1:31] <clever> i did that, then my card went tits up
[1:31] <johnc-> I haven't had problems with my cards
[1:31] <clever> so i'm having to compile it all over
[1:31] <johnc-> seems a common problem
[1:31] <clever> this is the first time ive had a card go bad
[1:32] <clever> i filled it up to 99% full, then compiled mplayer a couple dozen times
[1:32] <clever> and now it cant even apt-get without corrupting a couple files
[1:32] <johnc-> :(
[1:32] <clever> [ 7288.833365] EXT4-fs error (device mmcblk0p2): __ext4_ext_check_block:477: inode #61620: comm rs:main Q:Reg: bad header/extent: invalid magic - magic 6f64, entries 24941, max 28265(0), depth 27680(0)
[1:33] <clever> it starts with this
[1:33] <clever> [ 82.484041] EXT4-fs error (device mmcblk0p2): htree_dirblock_to_tree:920: inode #166088: block 646723: comm ls: bad entry in directory: rec_len % 4 != 0 - offset=1028(1028), inode=2147661615, rec_len=2066, name_len=12
[1:33] <clever> and thi also comes up
[1:34] <johnc-> I might ask hucke/popcornmix if they are willing to license an omxplayer lib as LGPL
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[1:36] <clever> what kind of control do you want?
[1:36] <shiftplusone> johnc-, I don't think they have anything to do with it other than maintaining and building upon it. The base code for omxplayer comes from xbmc and was written specifically for xbmc to play videos on the pi and then hacked out of xbmc as a standalone program.
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[1:37] <johnc-> shiftplusone, seems a bit of both; hucke at least wrote the console interface
[1:37] <shiftplusone> yup
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[1:38] <johnc-> hopefully the xbmc guys are amicable though, GPL is toxic :/
[1:38] <clever> what kind of control do you want?
[1:38] <shiftplusone> but I am not sure that popcornmix or the other guy can change the license
[1:38] <johnc-> shiftplusone, they can change the license on any code they wrote themselves, which is always a help
[1:39] <shiftplusone> I don't know GPL well, but wouldn't it all be considered as work derived from the omxplayer backend, even if they wrote half of it?
[1:40] <johnc-> yes
[1:40] <johnc-> I'd have to contact all relavant authors for a special license
[1:41] <clever> johnc-: which is why i'm asking, what kind of control do you want?
[1:41] <johnc-> what do you mean "control"?
[1:41] <clever> what do you want to do that you cant by just invoking it?
[1:41] <shiftplusone> that sounds a little impractical O_o, You don't just have to ask the person who owns the original copyright?
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[1:41] <SpeedEvil> In general, to change the copyright of a large open-source project - you have to ask _every_ coder.
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> And get them to agree.
[1:42] <johnc-> well, I'd ask hucke and xbmc directly
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> Unless tehy've done something like signed over their rights to a corporate body
[1:42] <johnc-> I haven't seen any code in here by popcornmix yet
[1:42] <clever> what do you want to do that you cant by just invoking it?
[1:42] <johnc-> SpeedEvil, the code files are copyright owned by xbmc
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> johnc-: For large opensource projects - there are _thousands_ of authors, likely some dead.
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> johnc-: Ah - misread scroll
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[1:43] <johnc-> clever, there's issues with implementing a transport protocol amoung other considerations
[1:43] <clever> ah, to supply the video to it
[1:43] <johnc-> most FOSS projects are amicable to relicensing if you ask them and you have a good reason
[1:43] <johnc-> and LGPL isn't a massive jump for a library
[1:43] <shiftplusone> In other words GPL licenses for projects of any considerable size are practically impossible to change?
[1:44] <johnc-> shiftplusone, depends on who owns the copyright to the code
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> johnc-: Only single-author ones.
[1:44] <clever> johnc-: is it video only, or audio+video?
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> johnc-: Multi author ones _can't_ change.
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[1:44] <johnc-> SpeedEvil, it isn't required to "change"
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: yes
[1:44] <johnc-> clever, audio+video
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2013-May/003891.html - basically
[1:44] <shiftplusone> Hm... not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
[1:44] <clever> johnc-: what container type?
[1:45] <johnc-> variable
[1:45] <clever> ah, so youll want a decent program like ffmpeg or omxplayer
[1:45] <clever> cant just do it purely in gpu
[1:45] <johnc-> SpeedEvil, it's not changing a license, it's granting an exeption license
[1:45] <johnc-> exception*
[1:45] <SpeedEvil> johnc-: Same applies - if it's not one owner.
[1:45] <SpeedEvil> If it is one owner, they are of course free to relicence it to you however they choose.
[1:46] <johnc-> SpeedEvil, again, the code is copyright owned by xbmc
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> Gah.
[1:46] * SpeedEvil should go to sleep.
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> Sorry for confusing.
[1:46] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, Has this been established in courts? Seems like it would be thrown out by the golden rule.
[1:46] <johnc-> hucke authored the console interface which has helpful stuff in it too
[1:46] <johnc-> which I'd rather just get a license for rather than rewrite
[1:46] <clever> johnc-: have you done any video stuff before, like ffmpeg?
[1:47] <johnc-> clever, mostly audio only stuff but I've used ffmpeg and libvlc a bit
[1:47] <clever> ive heard that vlc does have omx decode
[1:47] <clever> https://github.com/julianscheel/vlc-omx/tree/master/modules/codec/omxil
[1:47] <johnc-> I was reading a thread on it today on the rpi forums
[1:47] <johnc-> seems the performance isn't near adaquate
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: It's the same rules as apply to normal contracts.
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[1:48] <shiftplusone> yeah, I guess that's true.
[1:48] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: The courts don't get to say 'contracts work only when we like them'
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[1:48] <SpeedEvil> GPL is a contract that gives you the right to use and distribute the software under certain conditions. Do it outside those conditions - and it's unlicenced software - like any pirate copy of windows.
[1:49] <johnc-> mhm, and GPL is toxic :/
[1:49] <shiftplusone> johnc-, you've mentioned.
[1:49] <johnc-> yeah, it's worth mentioning a hundred times :P
[1:50] <shiftplusone> Nuh, that would get annoying fast
[1:50] <clever> johnc-: have you looked at the -slave option in mplayer?
[1:50] <johnc-> no
[1:51] <clever> it gives complete control over the entire player, pause/play/seek/volume, everything
[1:51] <clever> and the player can handle every container ive tried
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[2:21] <Yugnoswam> HI, I'm thinking of buying the Option B raspberry pi but not 100% sure if it's the right choice. I'll be using it to plug in a USB Hard drive with various video files on (mp4, mk4, avi)
[2:22] <shiftplusone> do you need ethernet?
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[2:23] <shiftplusone> actually nvrm, just the 512mb is probably worth it when deciding between A and B. Why are you not 100% sure?
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[2:26] <Sonny_Jim> what's the price difference?
[2:26] <Yugnoswam> Well I've heard it can't play some files with certain codecs
[2:26] <Yugnoswam> I don't need ethernet, I just need it to play video to my TV
[2:26] <Yugnoswam> in 1080p 30fps
[2:27] <shiftplusone> that's right, it can't play absolutely every file
[2:27] <shiftplusone> (with hw acceleration anyway)
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[2:27] <Yugnoswam> hm. Well this is the format for most of my files: http://puu.sh/5unO5.png
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[2:30] <shiftplusone> google says that particular file should play without any additional codecs, but I don't guarantee it.
[2:30] <Yugnoswam> http://puu.sh/5unTX.png That is the other file type I'll be playing
[2:30] <shiftplusone> that too
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[2:31] <shiftplusone> MPEG4 and 1080p h264 should play out of the box. vc1 and mpeg2, would need to be purchased separately.
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[2:31] <Sonny_Jim> Bah
[2:32] <Sonny_Jim> Did someone answer you about codecs?
[2:32] <shiftplusone> from what I gather, AVC is h264 and the other file is MPEG4
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[2:32] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, I tried http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2013-11-27
[2:33] <Yugnoswam> So both of those files are ok then?
[2:33] <shiftplusone> I am 80% certain that yes
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[2:34] <Sonny_Jim> Isn't the difference just the amount of memory and NIC or does the A not have access to the hardware decoders either?
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[2:34] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, codecs are the same.
[2:34] <shiftplusone> Just the RAM and NIC, as you say.
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[2:39] <Yugnoswam> Can it decode h.264 fine?
[2:40] <shiftplusone> It's kind of specific.... "1080p30 H.264 high-profile"
[2:41] <Yugnoswam> hm
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[2:42] <Yugnoswam> Tbh 99% of my video collection is one or the other of those 2 screenshots I posted, and I can always encode the last 1% to match
[2:42] <Yugnoswam> I just need to know if they can play
[2:42] <Yugnoswam> dont want to waste �30 when I'm not exactly rich...
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[2:45] <clever> Yugnoswam: how big are the files, and how big is your upload pipe?
[2:45] <clever> got any samples?
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[2:46] <Yugnoswam> erm, the files vary from 600MB to around 4.5GB
[2:46] <Yugnoswam> Depending on quality and length
[2:46] <Yugnoswam> What do you mean by upload pipe?
[2:46] <clever> yeah, about the same variance here
[2:46] <clever> was thinking that if you sent me one, i could just play it on my pi
[2:47] <Yugnoswam> sure
[2:47] <Yugnoswam> Got somewhere I can upload to?
[2:47] <[Saint]> pirates!
[2:47] <Yugnoswam> Can do about 2.2MB/s so should take too long, although could just link you a magnet (I'm assume you can torrent)
[2:47] <shiftplusone> Huh? get the hoses!
[2:47] * Yugnoswam ARGH!'s
[2:47] <[Saint]> Piracy...pirates...bad! :_)
[2:47] <clever> Yugnoswam: got dcc setup in your client?
[2:47] <Yugnoswam> DCC?
[2:47] <Yugnoswam> oh
[2:47] <clever> its for sending files in irc
[2:48] <[Saint]> and its awful. :)
[2:48] <Yugnoswam> Nope, not a fan of it
[2:48] <clever> simplest way to send files to other irc users
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[2:50] <[Saint]> Well...not really. The client has to support it for one.
[2:50] <clever> every client worth using supports it
[2:50] <[Saint]> That's quite clearly crap.
[2:50] <Yugnoswam> I can upload to Copy.com ?
[2:50] <[Saint]> And horribly subjective.
[2:51] <clever> Yugnoswam: that should work
[2:51] <[Saint]> mega.co.nz is a decent one.
[2:51] <[Saint]> Good 'ol Dotcom.
[2:51] <clever> and i used to use sendthisfile.com ages ago
[2:51] <Yugnoswam> nvm, can send via irc
[2:52] <Yugnoswam> offered send
[2:52] <clever> looks like your trying to use passive dcc, and my client doesnt support that mode
[2:52] <clever> active requires a port on your router forwarded
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[2:53] <Yugnoswam> heh...
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[2:53] <clever> let me see if theres any updates on my end
[2:54] <Yugnoswam> clever, you got uTorrent and a questionable conscience? I could just give you the file I downloaded via magnet link
[2:54] <clever> ive got rtorrent and over 1tb of warez :P
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[2:54] <shiftplusone> Take it to PM if you're going to do that.
[2:54] <[Saint]> lets try to not make a mockery of Freemode policy shall we?
[2:55] <Yugnoswam> fair point
[2:55] <clever> oh yeah, forgot this is freenode
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[2:56] <Yugnoswam> too used to quakenet lol
[2:57] <clever> i generaly use rizon
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[3:03] <Yugnoswam> Is there a way I can make the rasperberry pi interface a bit more user friendly maybe?
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[3:03] <clever> which part of the interface?
[3:03] <Yugnoswam> Well it's my mum that will be using it and she struggled to navigate windows folders...
[3:04] <Yugnoswam> Just want to use a keyboard, space to pause/arrows to move/enter to select etc
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[3:04] <shiftplusone> OpenELEC pretty much?
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[3:05] <Yugnoswam> I have no idea what that is
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[3:05] <clever> xbmc may be better for the computer challenged
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[3:06] <shiftplusone> openelec is an xbmc distro like you sescribed, Yugnoswam
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[3:06] <Yugnoswam> alright
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[3:10] <markedathome> Yugnoswam: are you asking about using the pi as a computer for you mum, rather than a media player (which is what openelec and xbmc are)
[3:11] <Yugnoswam> No, a media player. Just to play tv shows/movies
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[3:12] <shiftplusone> sraue, are you around?
[3:13] <shiftplusone> Yugnoswam, and what did you mean by "windows folders"?
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[3:13] <johnc-> is there a command I can issue to reinit my TV output? my TV is saying "Not supported format" and the only way to fix it I know is a reboot
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[3:14] <Yugnoswam> I have a crappy laptop that was doing it but the GPU can't do HD.. it's old
[3:14] <Yugnoswam> That's what I was using to stream tot he TV before, running XP
[3:14] <clever> johnc-: tvservice -p
[3:14] <shiftplusone> So you're talking about windows network shares then? (samba and such)
[3:15] <Yugnoswam> no
[3:15] <Yugnoswam> I'm asking about the pi because I want it to replace that laptop
[3:15] <Yugnoswam> I just need it to play/stream video files. That's it
[3:15] <shiftplusone> I am trying to understand what "struggled to navigate windows folders" means
[3:15] <johnc-> clever: tvservice not found
[3:16] <markedathome> .opt/vc/service
[3:16] <markedathome> -- > /opt/vc/service
[3:16] <Yugnoswam> shiftplusone, she's not tech savy and didnt understand how to go to my computer > J: > Movies > other folder etc
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[3:16] <clever> /usr/bin/tvservice
[3:16] <clever> markedathome: strange, mines over here
[3:16] <markedathome> -- > /opt/vc/bin/service
[3:16] <clever> oh, yeah, symlikn
[3:17] <shiftplusone> Yugnoswam, ah right. Yeah, openelec will make it very simple.
[3:17] <johnc-> ah thanks markedathome
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[3:17] <clever> markedathome: i re-arranged my desk, and its messing up everything
[3:17] <markedathome> all the info is here http://elinux.org/RPi_Configuration
[3:18] <Yugnoswam> cheers clever for the file test
[3:19] * clever goes off to watch tv
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[3:19] <Yugnoswam> Ok, I'm going to order this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B008PT4GGC/ref=sr_1_2_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1385513803&sr=8-2&keywords=raspberry-pi&condition=new
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[3:23] <shiftplusone> Ah, the FAQ on the site has (finally) been updated. =)
[3:24] <Yugnoswam> that the correct Pi then?
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[3:25] <[Saint]> I found shipping from RS was exceptionally quick.
[3:25] <shiftplusone> I would order directly from the distributor rather than through amazon, but yes, that's the right board.
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[3:27] <Yugnoswam> Link to the proper distributer?
[3:27] <shiftplusone> There are links to the official distributors on the front page of raspberrypi.org
[3:27] <markedathome> new-it has some good bundle deals. if you use that amazon page, they are the 5th one down.
[3:27] <shiftplusone> Assuming you're in USA, Newark would probably be the way to go.
[3:28] <Yugnoswam> UK
[3:28] <shiftplusone> http://cpc.farnell.com/
[3:28] <shiftplusone> I think that's the cheapest in UK
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[3:29] <Yugnoswam> �27.86 including VAT and Postage on amazon though
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[3:29] <markedathome> remember you need to buy a power supply and an sd card. you need to be able to download and install the os to the card, or you can buy one from a distributor
[3:30] <shiftplusone> hmm... £27.86 vs £28.07
[3:32] <markedathome> ha ha - laser engraver "that is brilliant and terrifying", "next step: fly killer laser turret" --- and I went straight to imagining glados' Portal turrets
[3:33] <shiftplusone> Didn't Bill Gates want something like that to kill mosquitoes in Africa?
[3:33] <Yugnoswam> I have a power supply that matches the spec already
[3:34] <Yugnoswam> I have a memory stick that I assume I can just make a bootable copy of XBMC on to install to the Pi?
[3:34] <shiftplusone> The pi can only boot off the sd card
[3:34] <[Saint]> you absolutely need an sdcard.
[3:34] <shiftplusone> while there are ways to install things to usb, you will still need an sd card to boot off.
[3:35] <[Saint]> everything except /boot can be wherever you like, but you need an sdcard for /boot.
[3:35] <johnc-> sweet
[3:35] <johnc-> got libomxplayer.so working basically :D
[3:35] <markedathome> or a micro sd in an adapter. you can get away with a minimal install as long as the kernel img has the drivers loaded to be able to pivot and mount the external device.
[3:35] <markedathome> johnc-: ??
[3:35] <johnc-> talked about it earlier with some peeps here
[3:36] <johnc-> compiling omxplayer to a library so I can use it easier in my own app
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[3:37] <markedathome> oh right. do you know much about the co-ordinate system in omxplayer?
[3:37] <markedathome> i'm trying to get it properly framed on a pal output tv, but the display is off the edges
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[3:37] <johnc-> you sure it's omxplayer? you might have to change your boot config
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[3:38] <markedathome> I can't determine whether the reference is relative or absolute to the player, or the screen in omxplayer --xwin x1 y1 x2 y2
[3:39] <markedathome> yeah, set up overscan move in the config.txt and the console is correct, x windows is fine, but omxplayer at the console is off, and so is wayland/weston
[3:39] <mdrjr> How do I install Ubuntu on my rPi ?
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[3:42] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
[3:42] <Yugnoswam> shiftplusone, ok, so which one do I get? >.< Sorry, all a little confusing
[3:43] <markedathome> someone wants some cash for building ubuntu -->> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2013/11/building-ubuntu-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[3:43] <shiftplusone> Yugnoswam, which one what, sorry, I was afk for a bit?
[3:44] <shiftplusone> markedathome, I think calling it a scam would be a stretch, but they would end up duplicating raspbian.
[3:45] <Yugnoswam> Which link to the pi
[3:45] <mdrjr> so you can't run Ubuntu on rPi... and why everytime I connect a USB SSD on it, it just reboots?
[3:45] <Yugnoswam> The cheapest that comes with SD card/Power supply
[3:45] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, because it ssd is a large sudden load which browns out the pi. Does it work fine if you boot up with the ssd already attached?
[3:45] <markedathome> wasn't calling it a scam - basic OS might be ok, but clearly the other packages aren't.
[3:46] <shiftplusone> markedathome, (I was indirectly hinting that it kind of almost is)
[3:46] <markedathome> oh, right - must be more tired than i thought...
[3:47] <shiftplusone> markedathome, nuh, I didn't put it clearly and I mixed you up with mdrjr as well >_<
[3:47] <mdrjr> shiftplusone: my SSD (as measured on my Agilent DMM) draws only 120ma on surge. and its steady current is < 50ma. And yes it works if I leave it there. However my application requires constant replug of disks
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[3:48] <markedathome> lsusb -v|grep MaxPower should show the maxpower that the drive can pull
[3:48] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, I don't think the DMM would pick up brief surges that would happen when the caps inside the ssd are charges and such. It's too quick.
[3:48] <shiftplusone> markedathome, that's according to the device
[3:48] <shiftplusone> they lie
[3:49] <mdrjr> shiftplusone: Yes, my DMM has this capability.
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[3:49] <shiftplusone> Yugnoswam, sorry, no idea. As long as you get an sd card (preferably one that has been verified as working), a pi and a supply, you're fine.
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[3:50] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, evidently not, because this is well known behaviour and I don't think A 120mA surge is enough, unless you have already loaded the USB a lot with other devices.
[3:50] * markedathome looks back fondly on building and testing zfs and btrfs with multiple drives.
[3:50] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, either way, the "fix" is to use a powered hub.
[3:50] <mdrjr> shiftplusone: ugh.. that a ugly "solution"
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[3:51] <mdrjr> The device advertises a USB port and doesn't complains with the USB standard.. neat..
[3:51] <Yugnoswam> it has a 10/100 BaseT Ethernet Port, what happens if I connect it to connection higher than 100mbit?
[3:51] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, the other solution is to modify the board. Is that something you're into?
[3:51] <mdrjr> shiftplusone: yes
[3:52] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, add low EST caps near the usb ports and run some wires from the power input (before the polyfuse) to the usb ports as well.
[3:52] <shiftplusone> *esr
[3:53] <markedathome> Yugnoswam: it autosenses - raspberrypi kernel: [ 29.947621] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0xCDE1
[3:53] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter has an image of what he did to his pi to make it stable with such usb devices.
[3:53] <markedathome> ^^ 1Gbps switch
[3:53] <Yugnoswam> ok, so won't burn out or anything?
[3:53] <Yugnoswam> Going to get this one btw http://cpc.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-8gb-usd/sbc-raspberry-pi-8gb-microsd-card/dp/SC13130?Ntt=SC13130&CMP=NLem4
[3:53] <mdrjr> shiftplusone: my board has no polyfuses near the usb ports actually none that I could identify
[3:54] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, I mean the polyfuse on the power input (microusb)
[3:54] <mdrjr> shiftplusone: so the idea is to just add an cap to help keep enough power because the traces aren't thick enough to handle the surge current of a usb device?
[3:55] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, I don't know if it's a thickness issue or what, but yes. I don't think any old cap will do though.
[3:55] <shiftplusone> 'MLC' is the term I am looking for
[3:56] <markedathome> Yugnoswam: good deal
[3:56] <Yugnoswam> ty
[3:56] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, I would check with triffid before committing to modding your pi though. I haven't done this myself
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[3:58] <plugwash> Yugnoswam, every gigabit switch i've seen also supports 100 megabit and autonegotiates fine
[3:59] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, what it looks like http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG
[3:59] <plugwash> however I belive there are some devices out there that support 1 gigabit and 10 gigabit but not lower speeds
[3:59] <Yugnoswam> kk
[3:59] <shiftplusone> mdrjr, and a discussion about it here http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2013-05-29
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[4:09] <mdrjr> shiftplusone: yes.. I've just added bypass wires and it works.. its clearly a cheap PCB design technique that uses less cooper them needed ..
[4:10] <shiftplusone> Ah, good to know that's all it takes.
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[4:55] <johnc-> does anybody know if omxplayer supports seeking back/forward in an http live stream?
[4:59] <fengshaun> I just got owncloud running on rpi (nginx + uwsgi_php), but the pages load sooooooooo slowly (taking more than 10s at best). Is this a known issue or can it be fixed?
[4:59] <fengshaun> or both
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[5:08] <ParkerR> fengshaun, I had the same frustration
[5:08] <ParkerR> Wasn't a great experience when I tried it either
[5:08] <fengshaun> did you solve it?
[5:08] <ParkerR> Nope
[5:08] <fengshaun> I followed https://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10692, but it's still slow
[5:08] <fengshaun> oh :(
[5:09] <ParkerR> johnc-, I believe it does. You just have to hope it has cached enough
[5:12] <johnc-> ParkerR: I'm pre-processing the file into an HLS
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[5:18] <ParkerR> HLS?
[5:18] <johnc-> http live stream
[5:18] <ParkerR> By that you mean you are just serving it up via HTTP?
[5:18] <johnc-> no
[5:19] <johnc-> hls is a segmented video with a playlist
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[6:02] <jasabella> hi
[6:02] <steve_rox> hello
[6:05] <johnc-> hmm, seeking on an HLS seems buggy
[6:05] <johnc-> no video playback and audio is buggy
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[6:09] <mdrjr> ls
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[6:33] <jasabella> what options are there for batteries re: rpi? :)
[6:33] <Tachyon`> a few
[6:33] <Tachyon`> althuogh teh model A is more suited to battery use
[6:33] <Tachyon`> the model B comes with integrated and power hungry NIC and USB hub
[6:34] <jasabella> but i want to connect things to it? Hmmm
[6:34] <Tachyon`> how long do you need it to run on battery
[6:34] <jasabella> 8-12 hours :|
[6:34] <Tachyon`> hrm, tha tshould be doabel
[6:35] <jasabella> gps transmission over gsm :>
[6:35] <ParkerR> Car battery + Car outlet USB plug :P
[6:36] <ParkerR> That'll last a while
[6:36] <jasabella> i want something light heh
[6:36] <Tachyon`> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1566
[6:36] <Tachyon`> that should last a while
[6:37] <jasabella> yeah im looking at that :D
[6:38] <ParkerR> 10a battery
[6:38] <Tachyon`> abuot 5 hours if you realkly hammer it
[6:38] <Tachyon`> and take the full 9W
[6:38] <ParkerR> Dang
[6:38] <Tachyon`> otherwise quite a bit more
[6:38] <jasabella> would transmitting a gps every 30 seconds be hammering it?
[6:38] <jasabella> gps location
[6:38] <Tachyon`> er, yes
[6:38] <jasabella> (over gsm)
[6:38] <Tachyon`> any RF would
[6:38] <jasabella> ahh
[6:38] <jasabella> hmm
[6:39] <Tachyon`> you'd jus thave to try it, don't nkwo how long the packets are
[6:39] <ParkerR> Tachyon`, Umm but it could kinda sleep inbetween
[6:39] <ParkerR> If the hardware supprots it
[6:39] <Tachyon`> yeah, I realise that
[6:39] <Tachyon`> if the packets are tiny it might make little differenec at all
[6:39] <Tachyon`> but I've only ever had receivers, lol
[6:39] <ParkerR> I want that battery for everything :D
[6:40] <Tachyon`> yes, it does look uite handy doesn't it
[6:40] <Tachyon`> and only 30 quid or so
[6:40] <ParkerR> Heck of a lot cheaper than most places charge for a lesser battery
[6:40] <ParkerR> $50
[6:40] <Tachyon`> hrm, they said they got 15 hours from a headless pi not diong much
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[6:41] <Tachyon`> that was with wifi pinging once/second mind
[6:41] <Tachyon`> so if it does 15 bloody hours on that, I suppose hte GPS would be fine
[6:42] <Jusii> I have something similar and got little over 8h RPi polling net once in minute and displaying pics and hd video
[6:42] <ParkerR> Yeah HD video on the GPU really helps cut CPU usage
[6:42] <Tachyon`> postage to the UK is quite expensive
[6:43] <Tachyon`> puts it up to the usual £1/$1 rate for electronics
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[6:43] <Jusii> you get something similar from dx.com
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[6:43] <Tachyon`> DX is always free delivery when I've used it
[6:44] <johnc-> woot, I finally figured out what has to be done to provide custom IO to omxplayer :D
[6:44] <Jusii> don't they have warehouse in uk nowdays
[6:44] <jasabella> and i just get a gsm board to plug in?
[6:44] <jasabella> (it will work with model A)?
[6:44] <Jusii> I have this http://dx.com/p/rechargeable-dual-usb-10000mah-emergency-battery-pack-w-adapter-for-cell-phone-more-110237
[6:44] <Tachyon`> it generalyl takes three weeks for things to come
[6:44] <Tachyon`> so I@d say no
[6:44] <Tachyon`> jasabella, you could get a serial GSM board
[6:44] <Tachyon`> and just connect it to the UART, althuoh gwatch for 5v levels
[6:45] <jasabella> watch for 5v levels?
[6:45] <jasabella> uart = gpio right?
[6:45] <Tachyon`> er, serial
[6:45] <Tachyon`> but I think the Pi I/O is 3.3v
[6:45] <jasabella> hmm
[6:45] <Tachyon`> so if you get a serial one you'll have to do a bit of level shifting
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[6:45] <Tachyon`> as I'm sure the pi inputs are not 5v tolerant
[6:45] <jasabella> complicated :/
[6:45] <Tachyon`> not really
[6:45] <Tachyon`> two resistors on the line going from gsm module to pi
[6:46] <Tachyon`> the module itself will probably read 3.3 as high anyway
[6:46] <Tachyon`> so you only have to worry about teh one going back
[6:46] <Tachyon`> or youcould jus tuse a USB 3G dongle
[6:47] <Tachyon`> USB 1.1 hubs use less power than USB 2 hubs
[6:47] <Tachyon`> so if you don't /need/ USB2 speed...
[6:47] <jasabella> i need a gps too :|
[6:47] <jasabella> although some gsm would probably come with gps hmmm
[6:47] <Tachyon`> you want to transmit GPS though?
[6:47] <Tachyon`> rather than jsut receive it
[6:48] <jasabella> i want to recieve it and send it via gsm
[6:48] <jasabella> a tracker hehe
[6:48] <Tachyon`> ahh
[6:48] <steve_rox> sounds fun i must say
[6:48] <Tachyon`> yes, you probably can get a combined module for that
[6:48] <jasabella> not jamming gps :|
[6:48] <steve_rox> i thought you ment gps jammer then
[6:48] <Tachyon`> I didn't think you were jamming it, thought you had a boat or something
[6:48] <jasabella> hehe
[6:48] <steve_rox> there was some truck driver with one , parked outside a airport with it on to stop employer tracking em
[6:49] <steve_rox> blocked the entire airport gps
[6:49] <steve_rox> got fined to hell
[6:49] <jasabella> crazy!
[6:49] <Tachyon`> yes, it's better not to futz with RF devices where doing so might cause aircraft to fall out of the sky
[6:49] <steve_rox> gotta be carefull when messing with the airways
[6:50] <steve_rox> a 3g usb modem connection on rpi sounds interesting tho
[6:50] <steve_rox> expensive tho :-(
[6:51] <Tachyon`> are they?
[6:51] <Tachyon`> they're really cheap here
[6:51] <jasabella> im right under the flight path of sydney's two main runways... not a good idea :|
[6:51] <steve_rox> not the hardware more the cost of data
[6:51] <jasabella> can i just program it using regular sockets api?
[6:52] <jasabella> set a start up script to establish the connection
[6:52] <jasabella> *99#
[6:52] <Tachyon`> hrm
[6:52] <Tachyon`> I can't seem to find one
[6:52] <Tachyon`> you can use pppd and a chat script I think, if people still do that, or the network manager has support for 3g built in
[6:53] <Tachyon`> they appear as serial devices so it's not hard
[6:53] <jasabella> atdt*99#, connect, blah blah?
[6:54] <Tachyon`> even use the Hayes AT command set, lol, wonder if I could setup a BBS on one, that'd be funny
[6:54] <Tachyon`> yeah, that sort of thing
[6:54] <Tachyon`> you have to send a few setup commands though
[6:54] <Tachyon`> APN, pap/chap etc.
[6:54] <jasabella> at+cpin whatever
[6:54] <jasabella> find one that's documented hopefully
[6:54] <Tachyon`> not sure of the exact commands, it's years since I@ve had to do it manually
[6:56] <jasabella> i was wondering if the arduino was better suied to what i want :|
[6:56] <Tachyon`> http://mcs.hackitectura.net/tiki-slideshow.php?page=3g%20mobile%20connect&slide=3
[6:56] <Tachyon`> there's a bit of an example there
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[6:57] <Tachyon`> I'm playing with arduino atm actually, writing a nice basic interpreter which I'll release as GPL as one in the eye to the stamp people
[6:57] <Tachyon`> you can get GSM shields afaik
[6:58] <Tachyon`> http://kupo.be/ab/ardbasic.jpg <- looking a bit like that atm, although I've not wired up the keyboard yet (or for that matter written the scanning code)
[6:59] <steve_rox> neat
[6:59] <jasabella> hehe nice keyboard
[7:00] <Tachyon`> I need to find a source of keyswitches
[7:00] <Tachyon`> that's the one thing I'm having trouble with
[7:00] <Tachyon`> well, that and outrageous quotes for the board because it's big
[7:02] <Tachyon`> all I can find are cherry ones and they're far too expensive for the 48 that'd be needed, and little buttons like the ones you see
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[7:17] <jasabella> wow the shields are expnesive
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[7:31] <bacon000> What happens if I pull the power on my RPi without gracefully shutting it down first? Will it cause probs with the filesystem?
[7:32] <Jusii> maybe
[7:32] <Jusii> some might say, most likely
[7:32] <bacon000> hmm. ok, thx
[7:32] <Jusii> I have no problems, since almost everything is mounted read only
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[7:45] <bacon000> I plugged a Bluetooth dongle into my RPi and it immediately rebooted. Is that expected?
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[7:47] <Jusii> yes
[7:48] <Jusii> you have to plug it in when powered off or use usb hub
[7:48] <Jusii> or it will reset itself
[7:49] <bacon000> ok thx
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[8:16] <cff> I've just dded ArchLinux ARM on a ADATA ASDH16GCL4-R SDHC Flash Card - 16GB, Class 4, but the Raspberry Pi won't boot... only non blinking RED light, what can I do ?
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[8:18] <Jck_True> cff: Flash the card a second time :)
[8:18] <Jck_True> Make sure you took the latest version
[8:19] <ShorTie> ya, try flashin it again
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[8:22] <cff> a 1 MB speed is alright?
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[8:23] <cff> sudo dd bs=1M if=archlinux-hf-2013-11-14.img of=/dev/sdb1
[8:24] <Jck_True> Ehh - I don't know about dd - but aint bs blocksize and depends on the given card you use?
[8:25] <cff> bs=BYTES read and write up to BYTES bytes at a time
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[11:03] <cff> How can I find the ip address of my RPI in a large network?
[11:03] <cff> I've tried nmap -p 22 --open -sV 192.168.x.x/xx > sshservers
[11:03] <cff> but none of the ssh servers there is the pi
[11:03] <cff> the IP v4 network address and subnet mask I used is correct
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[11:11] <mike_t> cff, are you in the same network with RPi?
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[11:20] <cff> yes
[11:20] <cff> My OK led is off, is that good?
[11:20] <cff> but the LNK is blinking
[11:20] <cff> power is red
[11:20] <cff> and 100m is orange
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[11:23] <mike_t> cff, nmap -sP and search MAC started with B8:27:EB
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[11:24] <mike_t> cff, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Normal_LED_status
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[11:25] <cff> LNK is yellow blinking
[11:25] <cff> FDX is yellow
[11:26] <cff> Got it
[11:27] <cff> but I can't connect to it
[11:27] <cff> oh wrong IP
[11:27] <cff> MAC Address: B8:27:EB:BD:04:2D (Raspberry Pi Foundation)
[11:27] <cff> nice
[11:27] <cff> mike_t: thanks
[11:28] <mike_t> :)
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[11:29] <cff> mike_t: the trick was the -P flag to nmap
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[12:29] <gregor3005> hi, i tried to configure the rasp to wake on lan. i set it with ethtool but it doesn't wake-on-lan. i found some articles about it but all different. whats the right way to wake-on-lan the rasp?
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[12:30] <Triffid_Hunter> gregor3005: the rpi never sleeps, how can it wake?
[12:30] <pksato> gregor3005: RPI dont have WoL, or other power control system.
[12:30] <gregor3005> Triffid_Hunter: ah ok, i don't know that
[12:30] <gregor3005> Triffid_Hunter: how can i wake it when somebody did a poweroff?
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[12:31] <bacobart> reconnect the usb power cable;p
[12:31] <Triffid_Hunter> gregor3005: if someone's run poweroff, it's halted until you powercycle it
[12:31] <pksato> or press reset
[12:32] <gregor3005> Triffid_Hunter, pksato: there is no way to remote power it on?
[12:32] <Triffid_Hunter> gregor3005: rpi has 3 states: on (running), off (no power), halted
[12:33] <Triffid_Hunter> gregor3005: to transition from one state to another, manual intervention is required, except for on > halted which is what 'poweroff' does
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[12:33] <Triffid_Hunter> gregor3005: ie, if it has power it's already running
[12:34] <gregor3005> Triffid_Hunter: ok, thanks for the informations. btw i love the rpi :-) i owned it since one day
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[12:38] <gregor3005> is it a good idea to rename the default user "pi" to another one. i found only that i had also to change the sudo entry. other relevant parts are needed?
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[12:41] <urs> probably group memberships in /etc/group
[12:42] <pksato> oh... usb+ethernet controler LAN9512 Wakeup packet support. But, not have mention on datasheet how use.
[12:42] <urs> (assuming you just changed the name by hand in /etc/passwd and shadow)
[12:44] <gregor3005> urs: no i used "usermod -l ..."
[12:44] <gregor3005> urs: i changed also the home folder, manually. now i came to the logon screen without automatically longon
[12:46] <mike_t> pksato, rpi doesn't have EEPROM for LAN9512 and I think it's not work without it.
[12:46] <urs> hmm, I don't know what mechanism is used for auto logon since I don't use it... so I can't help you there
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[12:49] <gregor3005> urs: it looks that in any script the default username pi is used. when i rename it back, autologon works
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[12:51] <gregor3005> urs: i used another way. i disable the logon for the user "pi" and create for me a new users
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[12:53] <gregor3005> urs: its now time to install selinux :-)
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[12:54] <Triffid_Hunter> auto login is probably done via a line in /etc/inittab, look for getty -a pi or similar
[12:54] <Triffid_Hunter> don't have my rpi in front of me to check atm
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[13:07] <gregor3005> does anybody use x11vnc on an rpi with ssl enabled?
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[13:52] <gregor3005> what is a nice case for the rpi? (i own a reprap)
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[14:09] <ShorTie> Adafruit has the Raspberry Pi NoIR Camera Board in stock, if anyone lookin
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[14:12] <gregor3005> what is a good audio player for rpi which i can controll from remote? it would be nice he can play internet radios
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[14:21] <mustu> hi.. anyone selling his pi model B on blackfriday?
[14:21] <mustu> near Milpitas, CA
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[14:29] <Jck_True> mustu: Why not just buy your own?
[14:29] <xace> I'm having a hard time figuring this one out: I've got some stores in town where I can buy the raspberry pi, but are they of an older revision than what I can buy from the online stores? I'm looking at the Model b
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[14:30] <Jck_True> Well the newest revision has been out since what? Jan?
[14:30] <mustu> Jck_True: just to know if I can help someone offload a PI he doesn't need anymore :)
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[14:31] <Jck_True> I got 3 already - And could use another :D
[14:32] <gregor3005> Jck_True: lol, i own one since yesterday an i could also use 10 other ones. i work on one idea what i could buid and during that i have ideas for 10 new ones :-D
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[14:34] <gregor3005> Jck_True: funny example: i took a dslr course and my camera has no hdmi output to display the pictures on the flatscreen when we discuss our picutres. next time i bring my rpi with the pictures on it :-)
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[14:34] <mustu> gregor3005: +1
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[14:36] <Jck_True> gregor3005: I ordered 50 blank RFID cards a few weeks back
[14:37] <Jck_True> gregor3005: Ducttaped an RFID reader under my desk - So you can play physically poker against the PC :)
[14:38] <Rienzilla> hmm
[14:38] <Rienzilla> rfid-tagged playing cards?
[14:39] <Jck_True> Just got white blank - Gonna draw the face of the card with a black filt pen I think
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[14:40] <Rienzilla> but are they like playing cards or just blank creditcards?
[14:41] <gregor3005> Jck_True: :-D
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[14:41] <Jck_True> Rienzilla: blank credit cards
[14:41] <Jck_True> Plastic
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[14:42] <Jck_True> The PC is then gonna tell you which moves it wants done
[14:43] <Jck_True> like "Take a card from the stack - Scan it - And put it in "Slot 2"
[14:43] <Rienzilla> hmm
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[14:43] <Jck_True> Or "take card from slot 2 and play it"
[14:43] <Jck_True> I just need an extensible Poker AI :(
[14:44] <Rienzilla> I'm still pondering about a way to extend my poker table in such a way that a bunch of electronics can generate hand histories of a live game
[14:44] <Rienzilla> there's abundant poker bot stuff out there
[14:44] <Rienzilla> entire competitions for the best poker bot
[14:45] <Jck_True> Yeah - Just haven't found anything I like yet (I mostly do PHP scripting so)
[14:45] <Jck_True> Rienzilla: Well this soultions works pretty slick from my tests
[14:45] <Rienzilla> yeah but creditcards make lousy playingcards for a live game
[14:45] <Jck_True> Yeah
[14:46] <Rienzilla> so either you need real playing cards with rfid's small enough, or you need a different approach (table cams with OCR)
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[14:49] <Jck_True> Rienzilla: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1039224103/2013_rfid_playing_cards.html http://www.videopokertable.net/store.aspx
[14:50] <Jck_True> Rienzilla: 149USD a deck :P
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[15:01] <xace> Jck_True: Do you know wht was changed in the revision from January?
[15:01] <Rienzilla> heh
[15:01] <Rienzilla> cool
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[15:05] <Rienzilla> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sXGPgMtwck
[15:05] <Rienzilla> nice!
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[15:06] <Jck_True> xace: http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory
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[15:07] <xace> appreciated
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[15:08] <nid0> if it has 512MB, its the latest version
[15:08] <nid0> basically
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[15:08] <xace> cool
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[15:09] <Rienzilla> heh it's for sale ready made now :)
[15:09] <xace> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sXGPgMtwck
[15:09] <Rienzilla> http://videopokertable.net/
[15:09] <xace> sry about the paste
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[15:52] <detox> anybody here with good with shairport?
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[15:58] <torkelatgenet> wats shairport?
[15:59] <torkelatgenet> nvm, googled it
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[16:07] <ShorTie> alsamixer sure doesn't give many options .. :/~
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[16:46] <Flypwnie> Hey guys, I have just yesterday got my pi and set it up now, but I have a little problem with my german keyboard-layout. I think I chose the right one durning installation, but I cant produce the at-symbol, the edgy brackets, and the pipe-symbol (cat "hi.txt" (pipe) >> "test.txt")
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[16:47] <Flypwnie> ok, the example for the pipe is wrong :D... Imagine "yes (pipe) yum-update"
[16:47] <Flypwnie> Oh, i'm running raspbian
[16:50] <tpw_rules> i'm running into odd things with gcc doing bare metal. it seems to be calling the linker for some reason
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[16:52] <tpw_rules> Flypwnie: run raspi-config and try again
[16:53] <tpw_rules> do you have a QUERTZ keyboard?
[16:53] <Triffid_Hunter> tpw_rules: well sure, most of the functions you use even on bare metal come from libc.. use -c if you want an intermediate (non-linked) object file
[16:53] <tpw_rules> ahh, that's what i was missing
[16:53] <tpw_rules> thank you
[16:53] <Flypwnie> ah
[16:54] <Flypwnie> yeah#
[16:54] <Flypwnie> buts umlauts are working öäü
[16:54] <tpw_rules> it looks like the | is shift->?
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[16:54] <tpw_rules> oh, alt-gr > apparently
[16:55] <Flypwnie> yeah, alt-gr >... I think it is a problem with that
[16:55] <Flypwnie> but if i hold alt-gr and press < twice, i get «
[16:56] <tpw_rules> well run the configurator again and fiddle about. not sure myself how to make it work since i don't have a german keyboard
[16:56] <Flypwnie> I'll try... first try failed :)
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[17:00] <martk100> How do I read the value of a variable from another file. I am using python and want to read the variable from a perl file. Please be gentle with me I am a newbie to python.
[17:00] <tpw_rules> that's not really possible
[17:01] <tpw_rules> what do you mean reading the value? is it something defined in the perl file or is it something that the perl file calculates?
[17:02] <martk100> tpw_rules: The perl file is a cgi file I want to pick up when button is pressed on the html file serviced by cgi file.
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[17:02] <tpw_rules> do you know perl?
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[17:02] <ndee> what is the best performing network protocol to stream content to my raspberry pi?
[17:03] <tpw_rules> like NFS or like HTTP?
[17:03] <martk100> Unfotunately no. I can see the variable though.
[17:03] <Triffid_Hunter> ndee: I'd say http
[17:03] <tpw_rules> from what it sounds like you're trying to do, i don't think it's possible
[17:03] <ndee> tpw_rules: I'm running raspbmc and I was wondering.
[17:03] <martk100> tpw_rules: HTTP I think NFS I use on my server.
[17:03] <tpw_rules> i suggest using a python-based webserver, something like flash
[17:04] <tpw_rules> s/flash/flask/ sorry
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[17:04] <martk100> tpw_rules: So apache won't do what I require?
[17:04] <tpw_rules> well you'd have to set it up to use python instead of perl, and that's kind of complicated
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[17:05] <martk100> tpw_rules: The html and perl work for another application. I am trying to adapt them.
[17:06] <tpw_rules> you'll have to write more in perl, you can't really have python suck a variable from perl's runtime
[17:06] <tpw_rules> Triffid_Hunter: care to help me more? i'm getting undefined symbol from ld even though i've done -l<mylib>
[17:06] <martk100> tpw_rules: Ok it is possible if I write a python cgi file?
[17:06] <tpw_rules> yes, but not something that can interface with perl
[17:07] <martk100> tpw_rules: Ok Lots to look at thanks.
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[17:07] <Triffid_Hunter> tpw_rules: your lib exports the symbol?
[17:07] <tpw_rules> i don't know?
[17:07] <tpw_rules> most likely not then
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[17:08] <tpw_rules> how do i make it do such?
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[17:09] <Triffid_Hunter> tpw_rules: dunno, never messed with libraries much.. closest I get with bare metal is using ar to bundle up a stack of objects
[17:09] <tpw_rules> hehe
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[17:13] <tpw_rules> i have no idea if my symbols are exported or not
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[17:20] <tpw_rules> ohhhh, of courrrse it didn't work; i put the -l flag in the wrong place
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[17:28] <hosler> will a radio shack have right angle pin headers?
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[17:29] <Tachyon`> no, they only have left angles
[17:29] <hosler> noooo
[17:30] <hosler> but for real. shipping is too slow and i need some now.
[17:30] <Tachyon`> more seriously, i have no idea, they long snice became a box shifter of consumer electronisc here
[17:30] <Tachyon`> can't even buy a resistor in there now
[17:30] <hosler> what kind of popular store might have them?
[17:30] <Tachyon`> maplins but are you in america?
[17:30] <hosler> southern part of USA
[17:30] <Tachyon`> if so, I wouldn't know unfortunaetly -.-
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[17:31] <tpw_rules> Tachyon`: all the ones around me still have the tower of misc parts
[17:31] <Tachyon`> tpw_rules, where aer you?
[17:31] <tpw_rules> tn
[17:31] <Tachyon`> that's a state aye?
[17:31] <tpw_rules> yus
[17:31] <Tachyon`> I'm in england, it' went a bit different here
[17:31] <tpw_rules> a
[17:31] <tpw_rules> ah
[17:31] <Tachyon`> was also caleld tandy but was still radio shack
[17:31] <Tachyon`> when I was a kid you cuodl get anything there
[17:31] <tpw_rules> argh ld y u no put _start at start
[17:31] <Tachyon`> but over the years they deteriorated
[17:32] <tpw_rules> same story here
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[17:34] <steve_rox> agh maplins rip off so bad
[17:35] <Tachyon`> well, yes, but we're a captive market
[17:35] <Tachyon`> lol
[17:35] <steve_rox> sometimes i just buy from them to have the convience of haveing it on the same day
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[17:36] <steve_rox> rather than waiting for the post
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[17:36] <Nefarious___> Maplin is a rip off. Go for online - Rapid Online or something
[17:37] <Nefarious___> Oh you already said that
[17:37] <steve_rox> yeaaa :-)
[17:37] <steve_rox> glad someone aggrees with me tho
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[17:39] <steve_rox> wonder if theres anywhere else you can buy that werid robotic arm they are selling
[17:40] <steve_rox> as im sure they are makeing a profit margin of about %200 or more
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[17:41] <steve_rox> alough id have no idea what to do with it once i have it heh
[17:41] <hosler> how fast does rapid online ship to the states?
[17:42] <steve_rox> depends how many pigons they strap to the package
[17:42] <steve_rox> and how much corn they have eaten etc
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[17:42] <tpw_rules> the probelm is they can never beat 20 minutes
[17:42] * tpw_rules twixes
[17:43] <hosler> thanks
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[17:44] <steve_rox> aka - we dont know :P
[17:44] <hosler> got it
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[17:49] <m1sf1t> Why couldn't the AMD slap the Raspberry Pi?
[17:49] <m1sf1t> Because it didnt' have an ARM.
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[17:49] <autrilla> if I overclock the pi, do I need a higher amperage?
[17:49] <m1sf1t> ohhhhh i went there! i'm funny, me...
[17:49] <steve_rox> i suppose it draws more
[17:50] <m1sf1t> yeah, and a heatsink :)
[17:50] <shiftplusone> autrilla, not really. What supply do you have?
[17:50] <shiftplusone> no... no heatsink
[17:50] <autrilla> shiftplusone, I had 700ma
[17:51] <shiftplusone> autrilla, then you're fine. (though it's a little on the low side, it should be ok).
[17:52] <m1sf1t> if you're going to overclock it as far as you can, it's worth getting a heatsink to stop it overheating, making it more efficient, and less likely to overheat altogether.
[17:52] <shiftplusone> autrilla, keep in mind there is a polyfuse on the input which means the pi can't draw much more than 700mA anyway.
[17:52] <shiftplusone> if you're going to overclock, heatsinks are useless on the pi. You'd want a fan underneath the chip.
[17:52] <autrilla> It doesnt overheat
[17:52] <shiftplusone> With a heatsink, you're cooling the RAM.
[17:52] <autrilla> 37º
[17:53] <shiftplusone> and you would have a very hard time trying to overheat a pi
[17:53] <autrilla> But it suddenly stops when watching a movie on XBMC
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[17:53] <shiftplusone> autrilla, that could be a power issue. Do you have a multimeter?
[17:53] <m1sf1t> ah right, is the RAM on top? nvm.
[17:53] <autrilla> shiftplusone, not at home. I have one at work
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[17:54] <m1sf1t> gotta go, bye :)
[17:54] <steve_rox> i have a fan on my case which just cycles the ambient air , makes a slight difference
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[17:54] <shiftplusone> autrilla, it's worth checking if the supply actually gives 5v, often they don't. There are test points on the pi for this (tp1 and tp2)
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[17:55] <shiftplusone> (you need to check with the pi running and your peripherals plugged in)
[17:55] <steve_rox> once running you should probly run some sort of stress test
[17:55] <steve_rox> to check how stable it is
[17:55] <ShorTie> volts and amps are normally the inverse of each, as amps go up volts go down
[17:55] <autrilla> shiftplusone, can I check with another pi?
[17:55] <autrilla> I guess I can't
[17:56] <autrilla> ShorTie, yeah, basic electricity. Ohm.
[17:56] <shiftplusone> autrilla, you can, but it's not the best. Since some pis have polyfuses that have a significant voltage drop across them (usually after they have been tripped a few times).
[17:57] <autrilla> shiftplusone, when it crashes, it's because it triggers the fuse?
[17:57] <steve_rox> no
[17:58] <shiftplusone> not always, it could just be that you have a bad supply and are only getting around 4 to 4.7 ish volts instead of the 5v you should be getting and that can make the pi unstable.
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[18:00] <steve_rox> had to perk my powersupply settings when i added that rpicam
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[18:00] <autrilla> shiftplusone, its a phone charger
[18:00] <autrilla> shiftplusone, but yeah, it is not that it fails under heavy load, it also fails with a 360p movie. Around 3 times for the whole 2h movie
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[18:00] <shiftplusone> autrilla, phones are not as sensitive to voltage changes, so manufacturers can slap "700mA" on there even though it only gives 4v at 700mA.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> afternoon Pi peoples.
[18:01] <autrilla> shiftplusone, well.. what supply would you recommend then?
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[18:01] <shiftplusone> autrilla, did the supply come with your phone? Do you have an apple/htc/samsung phone charger that's not off ebay?
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[18:02] <autrilla> shiftplusone, I have a ZTE one, a LG Nexus 5 one, a Oppo one..
[18:02] <autrilla> Samsung too
[18:02] <autrilla> From the phones
[18:02] <shiftplusone> any of them 1A+ ?
[18:02] <autrilla> Oppo is 1A
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[18:02] <autrilla> And LG 1.2
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[18:03] <shiftplusone> autrilla, some people recommend getting a 1-2A supply simply because it's more likely that they will provide the right voltage at the currents the pi needs, which is nowhere near 1A. But yeah, I'd try the LG one.
[18:03] <steve_rox> use 1.2
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[18:03] <markedathome> autrilla: I use a zte blade (orange san francisco) pulls 700ma
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[18:04] <shiftplusone> Though it would helps to actually verify that you are having power issues (using a multimeter), before you go blaming the power supply.
[18:04] <steve_rox> measureing the ma it draws?
[18:05] <markedathome> I also bought another 3 of them for 3.99each, which is the plug, and a short 30cm usb a to micro cable.
[18:05] <shiftplusone> It could also be that you have too much attached. Another guy was having similar issues while running his wireless keyboard+mouse and a wifi stick. Removing one of the peripherals solved his problem.
[18:05] <autrilla> markedathome, the ZTE one is from the Blade
[18:05] <autrilla> If only I had a multimeter
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[18:05] <autrilla> shiftplusone, a bluetooth keaboard
[18:05] <autrilla> keyboard
[18:05] <autrilla> And that's all
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[18:06] <markedathome> use that to power the pi, use another to power any hubs that draw the 500ma per port.
[18:08] <autrilla> A Bluetooth dongle draws like 0.1W
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[18:10] <steve_rox> i had to add a cap on my powersupply line to make it more stable
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[18:10] <steve_rox> but thats cos i have a lcd attached to same 5v wire
[18:11] <autrilla> shiftplusone, do you know where I could buy a decent power supply? My parents wanted a Pi too, so I guess I should get them a proper one
[18:11] <autrilla> as cheap and as good as possible :3
[18:11] <shiftplusone> it's one or the other, I am afraid.
[18:11] <steve_rox> cant be that hard to obtain a psu?
[18:12] <shiftplusone> autrilla, when you buy a pi, they will typically have accessories such as power supplies available. It's safer to buy from a distributor that sells supplies specifically for a pi, since you'd hope they would've tested them.
[18:12] <autrilla> steve_rox, a reasonable priced one?
[18:12] <steve_rox> hmmz
[18:13] <autrilla> 15€ is not reasonably priced
[18:13] <steve_rox> it is risky buying a psu off ebay
[18:13] <steve_rox> you may end up with a cheap clone thing which is like a defective grenade waiting to go off
[18:13] <autrilla> 4,57€ on farnell for the Pi
[18:13] <autrilla> Pity it's for UK
[18:14] <steve_rox> you may want to pay a bit more just for safty
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> same PSU in farnell in the UK too.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> I have 2 of them - seem fine.
[18:14] <autrilla> But I'd need an EU adapter
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[18:15] <gordonDrogon> if its for the uk, then buy in the uk then it will have a standard 3-pin plug.
[18:15] <glycol> nokia chargers put out about 1.2A, but i guess they're expensive
[18:15] <Jusii> yeah, farnell is out of RPi powers till jan 1...
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[18:15] <Jusii> eu powers
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> maplin...
[18:15] <Jusii> rs has them last time I looked
[18:15] <shiftplusone> SMP supplies are hard to design and the components required to do it right aren't cheap. When you buy a cheap supply, you guarantee that it doesn't meet safety requirements and is unlikely to do what it says it does on the label. There are a few cheap PSU teardowns on ebay and you can see that they don't bother keeping mains voltage and your supply voltage separate from each other and it can ea
[18:15] <shiftplusone> sily arc across and do some serious damage.
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> also places like pimoroni, etc.
[18:15] <Jusii> and modmypi...
[18:15] <shiftplusone> So... don't cheap out on a supply.
[18:16] <markedathome> i bought 3 zte blade chargers off ebay for 3.99 each, included next day delivery with tracking which I didn't expect.
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[18:16] <shiftplusone> *teardowns on youtube
[18:16] <steve_rox> seems apple chargers are cloned the most
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/power-adaptor-uk-5v-1a-dc
[18:17] <steve_rox> seen such bad builds inside
[18:17] <steve_rox> like the one that was so badly designed there would be 240v going out the usb connector
[18:17] <autrilla> 5,75€ on rs
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> tht pimoroni one is �7.
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> it's worth it for something guaranteed to have been tested & works.
[18:18] <autrilla> Sure, rs won't have checked it..
[18:18] <oldtopman> I have yet to get a good USB based PSU - even the one I got from adafruit won't power pi, mouse, and keyboard without issues.
[18:19] <shiftplusone> oldtopman, and you're sure the supply is to blame and not the polyfuse?
[18:19] <oldtopman> shiftplusone: polyfuse?
[18:19] <shiftplusone> oldtopman, the fuse on the input that limits the total current.
[18:19] <steve_rox> using a dropdown dc-dc converter board on mine :-)
[18:20] <shiftplusone> oldtopman, when that begins to trip, its resistance increases, causing a voltage drop.
[18:20] <oldtopman> shiftplusone: I seriously doubt it - I've tried the mouse alone and still get occasional power issues.
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[18:20] <shiftplusone> oldtopman, tried a powered hub?
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[18:20] <oldtopman> Really making me mad, so it's collecting dust until I can get a 7805S.
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[18:21] <oldtopman> shiftplusone: That didn't work that well either.
[18:21] <hosler> what is the max amps i can put into the pi?
[18:21] <steve_rox> max voltage?
[18:21] <oldtopman> shiftplusone: How much does the pi draw with composite + ethernet + max CPU?
[18:21] <hosler> no amps
[18:21] <markedathome> I thought the max draw through the micro usb input was 700mA
[18:22] <shiftplusone> hosler, I am not sure any more. IIRC the early models has polyfuses that would trip at 750mA, but that may have been bumped up to 1.2A
[18:22] <steve_rox> more voltage means more amps
[18:22] <glycol> a device draws dc power, nothing pumps it in the device
[18:22] <shiftplusone> or 1.2A may be the point where the polyfuse is pretty much an open circuit and 750mA is just where it begins to trip.
[18:22] <shiftplusone> You can look up the datasheet for the polyfuse on your pi.
[18:22] <hosler> ok
[18:23] <steve_rox> the polyfuses seem interesting but after thermal runaway they dont reset
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[18:23] <hosler> im thinking about setting up some sort of universal power source for my pi+other stuff on the protoboard. im thinking 3amp input. 1 amp for the pi and 2amp for other stuff.
[18:23] <glycol> so you can make a molex-micro usb adaptor and connect it to an ATX psu and it won't draw more than it needs
[18:24] <hosler> i know how to use voltage regulators, but how do i regulate amps?
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[18:24] <hosler> glycol: cool
[18:24] <shiftplusone> hosler, regulate in what way? Provide a constant current and variable voltage or simply limit the current?
[18:24] <hosler> shiftplusone: i guess just limit the current so i dont trip the fuse
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> we need a FAQ on this.
[18:25] <steve_rox> hehe yea
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> the basics of ohms law.
[18:25] <shiftplusone> If you're going to do that, just bypass the fuse and power the pi through GPIO
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> My Pi runs fine with my 1000 amp 5v welding supply ...
[18:25] <glycol> on a molex the red wire is the 5V wire, the yellow one is 12V, there are 2 grounding wires but usually they're connect to the same ground
[18:25] <glycol> connected*
[18:25] <steve_rox> it draws as much amps as it needs not as much as the psu can supply
[18:26] <autrilla> 1000amp?
[18:26] <hosler> wait so i can put as many amps as i want into my pi and it will be fine as long as i keep the voltage in a good place?
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[18:26] <shiftplusone> hosler, yes, 'course
[18:26] <glycol> yes
[18:26] <steve_rox> keep the voltage in usb spec
[18:26] <hosler> shiftplusone: yay learning
[18:26] <hosler> i always thought that too much current will blow a gpio pin the same way too much voltage will
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[18:27] <shiftplusone> hosler, it can
[18:27] <steve_rox> you really need a multimeter
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[18:27] <hosler> i have one
[18:27] <shiftplusone> hosler, V=IR... if you have a low resistance on a gpio pin, you will draw too much current and kill it.
[18:28] <shiftplusone> hosler, the current rating like 700mA only refers to the maximum a supply can provide at the given voltage,it does not actually force 700mA into the pi.
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[18:30] <hosler> but if i add a resistor to limit the current, wont it also drop the voltage?
[18:30] <steve_rox> with less current voltage drops if i rember right
[18:31] <shiftplusone> hosler, you won't drop the voltage on the pin, but whatever you have attached to the pin will see a bit less voltage, since some of it is used by the resistor. So you need to take into account the current your device needs, it's resistance, voltage tolerance and so on.
[18:32] <hosler> ok
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> The 700mA figure comes from the sum total of the current that the Pi is expected to draw - about 300-400mA for the Pi and associated chips, about 100 mA for each of the 2 USB ports that leaves 100mA "spare" for things like GPIO (and greedy USB peripherals). That's why there is a 700mA polyfuse and why you need a PSU that can supply at least 700mA.
[18:32] <glycol> you have to consider that the GPIOs protude a bit at the bottom side of the boards, if you short it with an ATX psu as a power source it will probably melt some stuff before it shuts down
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[18:34] <hosler> i think the only way ill get a firm understanding is after breaking some stuff
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[18:35] <glycol> i once shorted my psu with a thin wire on the 12V rail and it was glowing for a few moments before it snapped
[18:35] <steve_rox> i did that with a battery then it burnt me
[18:36] <steve_rox> was eather that or let the wire cut into the battery
[18:36] <hosler> lol i hooked up a 3.3 voltage regulator wrong and i had the heat skink outline etched into my finger for a week
[18:36] <Nefarious___> ouch
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[18:36] <shiftplusone> hosler, for example, LEDs have a predictable voltage drop, depending on the colour. Let's say a red led drops 1.7V (as a guess). The pi provides 3.3v, meaning the remaining 1.6V would need to drop across the resistor. You know the gpio pin should not provide more than 16mA, so to be safe, you aim for a current of 10mA and use R=V/I and you can estimate that you need a resistance of about 160 Oh
[18:36] <shiftplusone> ms
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[18:37] <steve_rox> www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PIR-Motion-Alarm-GPIO-Project-Kit-for-Raspberry-Pi-Emails-camera-pics-to-Phone-/161159804848?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item2585df77b0
[18:37] <steve_rox> saw this nice missleading post on ebay
[18:37] <glycol> actually now i remember more clearly, it was the 5V, i was screwing around with usb wire that was powered off the standby (vsb) rail which only has like 2.5 amps
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[18:37] <steve_rox> im like why do you have to sell it in a box?
[18:38] <steve_rox> or what am i actually paying for if i did buy it?
[18:38] <hosler> shiftplusone: does the resistor absolutely need to drop 1.6? or is the resistor only there to lower the current some?
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[18:38] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: that's not really misleading. And if it includes idiot-proof scripts - not a terrible price for some
[18:39] <shiftplusone> hosler, both. Kirchoff's voltage law is that in a closed loop, the total voltage is equal to zero. So you have 3.3v supplied, you have a drop of 1.7V on the LED.. the 1.6 has to go somewhere.
[18:39] <steve_rox> the motion sensor can be purchaced for less
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> It says twice in red letters that thepi isn't included.
[18:39] <steve_rox> and thats all they are essentially selling
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: sure - but not with the handholding
[18:39] <steve_rox> hand holding?
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> Scripts and stiff
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> stuff
[18:40] <glycol> it includes a drill bit haha
[18:40] <steve_rox> which are available on other websites
[18:40] <steve_rox> wow a free drillbit :-D
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[18:43] <shiftplusone> hosler, as a test, I just hooked up an led to 3.3v with no resistance and plenty of current available... needless to say, it died. On a pi it would be slightly different since you'd probably kill the gpio pin before the LED.
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[18:44] <steve_rox> i used the 3.3v wire on the atx psu
[18:44] <steve_rox> it was most blinding
[18:45] <steve_rox> then again it was a 1W led
[18:46] <shiftplusone> heh
[18:46] <shiftplusone> hosler, I could keep going on about leds, but I'll shut up. >.>
[18:46] <steve_rox> it was a fun learning lesson
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[18:48] <steve_rox> i need to find some blinding IR 1W led's for the rpi cam
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[18:48] <hosler> shiftplusone: i get it now i think. the LED requires 1.7v so i should get a resistor of a certain value in order to drop 3.3v to 1.7
[18:49] <shiftplusone> hosler, think of the resistor as something to set the current, not to drop the voltage.
[18:49] <Sonny_Jim> Or limit the current
[18:49] <Sonny_Jim> lo
[18:49] * Sonny_Jim has been banging his head against the brick wall that is iconv and char encoding
[18:49] <hosler> shiftplusone: ok so the resistor will drop the current from 16mA to 10mA or something. and the voltage drop depends on the input voltage.
[18:49] <Sonny_Jim> On the plus side, I now realise sizeof is an operator rather than a function, thanks to the guys in ##c
[18:50] <shiftplusone> hosler, without the resistor, it's a short circuit.
[18:50] <hosler> shiftplusone: wont the LED have some impedence?
[18:50] <Sonny_Jim> V=IR innit, ghetto electronic brap brap
[18:50] <Sonny_Jim> Sorry, not had much sleep and keep on finding odd things amusing
[18:51] <steve_rox> what ya been smokein?
[18:52] <Sonny_Jim> Smokin' my way through about a zillion cups of coffee
[18:52] <shiftplusone> hosler, no sir. being a diode, it's a short in one direction and open in another (look up wikipedia page on diodes). It only has a voltage drop associated with it.
[18:53] <steve_rox> makes sence :-)
[18:53] <shiftplusone> hosler, also, 16mA is just the maximum you can safely draw from rpi's gpio pins. The resistor is there to ensure whatever you draw is below that.
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[18:54] <steve_rox> 16ma? and ive been using it to power crt tv's :-O
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[18:54] <Da|Mummy> anyone here use sabnzbd+ on openelec? ive some questions id like to ask
[18:54] <steve_rox> i wondered what the max ma was per gpio pin
[18:54] <shiftplusone> steve_rox, now what have YOU been smoking? >_<
[18:54] <steve_rox> hahahah
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[18:55] <steve_rox> when i said ma i mean mega amps ;-)
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[18:55] <shiftplusone> Then you shoul've said MA >=/
[18:55] <shiftplusone> *should've
[18:55] <Sonny_Jim> Heh, reminds me of a conversation I had earlier with someone:
[18:55] <steve_rox> i shall try to rember that
[18:56] <Sonny_Jim> Them: "This file is 16mb"
[18:56] <Sonny_Jim> Me: "It's 16 millibits?"
[18:56] <Sonny_Jim> Them "Wut"
[18:57] <gregor3005> hi, what is a good player to play internet radios from the shell?
[18:57] <shiftplusone> There's a bit more leeway with files sizes, since nobody follows standard prefixes there anyway.
[18:57] <Sonny_Jim> Oh, mplayer maybe? Not tried it on the pi
[18:57] <shiftplusone> mplayer will do it, yeah.
[18:57] <shiftplusone> I don't know if it's the best options though
[18:57] <Sonny_Jim> I seem to remember it's one of those players you can chuck just about anything at and it'll try and play it
[18:58] <Sonny_Jim> vlc being another
[18:58] <Sonny_Jim> urls, files etc
[18:58] <Sonny_Jim> You could probably use SoX if you are feeling sadomasochistic
[18:59] <gregor3005> thx i try mplayer
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[19:00] <steve_rox> anyone had any significant fun with the IR rpi cam?
[19:01] <gregor3005> cool, mplayer worked perfect
[19:01] <steve_rox> no one got the ir cam?
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[19:10] <Sonny_Jim> steve_rox: Nope, I've got an old PS2 Eyetoy camera I got for 50p though
[19:11] <Sonny_Jim> :-)
[19:11] <steve_rox> oh rights hehe
[19:12] <Sonny_Jim> Resolution and quality is terrible
[19:12] <Sonny_Jim> But you can play Lemmings with it!
[19:12] <steve_rox> not sure how that works
[19:12] * Sonny_Jim grabs a vid
[19:12] <Sonny_Jim> It's awesome for about 5 minutes
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[19:12] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EgSkZetV4M
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[19:13] <steve_rox> kinda funny
[19:13] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[19:13] <Sonny_Jim> I suppose I was looking for a new project
[19:14] <Sonny_Jim> What else walks blindly in a straight line?
[19:14] <steve_rox> never thought of playing lemmings like that
[19:14] <Sonny_Jim> The gameplay is very limited
[19:14] <steve_rox> neat vid assumeing its yours
[19:14] <Sonny_Jim> Nah
[19:15] <Sonny_Jim> I don't think it ever actually got a release
[19:15] <steve_rox> oh
[19:15] <steve_rox> i never really liked motion controllers in gameing
[19:15] <Sonny_Jim> Or maybe it did, Wikipedia seems to think so
[19:15] <steve_rox> im sure there is something more grander that could be done with the tech
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[19:16] <steve_rox> that kenect xbox thing seems wasted
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[19:16] <Sonny_Jim> The big issue for me is tactile feedback
[19:16] <Sonny_Jim> ie you are swinging at nothing
[19:16] <steve_rox> exactly
[19:16] <Sonny_Jim> Same reason why I detest touchscreen keyboards
[19:16] <Sonny_Jim> I like thinks that click and clunk
[19:16] <Sonny_Jim> *things
[19:16] <steve_rox> maybe thats why i hate them too
[19:17] <Sonny_Jim> Buuut
[19:17] <steve_rox> swinging hard like a fool into the air allmost seems like a muscle pull asking to happen
[19:17] <steve_rox> something like thaat
[19:17] <Sonny_Jim> If you had something like kinect and Oc Rift, I can see that adding a pretty good extra dimension, even without the tactile feedback
[19:17] <Sonny_Jim> Walk through a world and see your own arms
[19:18] <Sonny_Jim> Or whole body really
[19:18] <Sonny_Jim> Would up the immersion factor even higher
[19:18] <steve_rox> that oc rift seems interesting
[19:18] <Sonny_Jim> I was wondering when stuff like that was due to come out. I think it's taken so long because of 3 factors:
[19:19] <Sonny_Jim> 1. The military want to use it first
[19:19] <steve_rox> haha
[19:19] <steve_rox> greedy
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[19:19] <elenciu> hi
[19:19] <Sonny_Jim> 2. The quality of the screens
[19:19] <steve_rox> hl2 on it looked interesting
[19:19] <shiftplusone> hi
[19:19] <Sonny_Jim> 3. The latency between moving your head and the screen updating
[19:19] <elenciu> how can i upgrade the kernel on my raspberry at the 3.13.rc1 from kernel.org?
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[19:19] <elenciu> i'm at the "make menuconfig" step
[19:20] <shiftplusone> elenciu, the kernel.org sources will not have all of the necessary patches to run well on the pi.
[19:20] <elenciu> uhm ok.
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[19:20] <steve_rox> someone should make some kinda video chat prog for the rpi , since skype wont play ball
[19:20] <elenciu> shiftplusone i need a kernel module from 3.13rc1 ... how can i solve?
[19:21] <Sonny_Jim> What module is it?
[19:21] <Sonny_Jim> steve_rox: As with any communication app, the one with the biggest userbase normally wins
[19:21] <Sonny_Jim> So what are the options, google chat?
[19:22] <steve_rox> maybe someday we will get it
[19:22] <elenciu> shiftplusone the leds-pca9685 module.
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[19:22] <shiftplusone> I don't know enough about the linux kernel to answer that.
[19:22] <shiftplusone> clever, are you around?
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[19:22] <Sonny_Jim> Must be a kernel compilation guide around for the Pi
[19:23] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, there are plenty, but you need to use sources from their github page.
[19:23] <steve_rox> brb hungrys
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[19:23] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
[19:23] <shiftplusone> (which don't have 3.13 at all yet.)
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[19:24] <Sonny_Jim> Oh I see
[19:24] <elenciu> btw probably i can "retrofit" the source code for running in user space, looking at the 3.13 source...
[19:24] <Sonny_Jim> It's a prepatched source on github
[19:24] <elenciu> and i leave the pi kernel untouched
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[19:24] <Sonny_Jim> elenciu: You *could* try copying the module from the later source tree and try putting it into the earlier github sources
[19:24] <Sonny_Jim> *module source
[19:24] <elenciu> uhm
[19:25] <elenciu> ok, i will try something
[19:25] <Sonny_Jim> Oooh it only goes up to 3.12 on github, shame
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[19:25] <Sonny_Jim> What's the path to the module? Might be in there
[19:26] <glycol> elenicu: if you can find the source code of that module you can compile it separately as a module afaik
[19:26] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, supporting new kernels is a lot of work, so chances are that anything other than the default is not ready yet.
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[19:26] <shiftplusone> (even though they are in the repo)
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[19:27] <Sonny_Jim> Bah, compiling a kernel is easy, it's making sure you include the right patchs/options is the hard part
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[19:28] <shiftplusone> trivial when compiling a pi kernel, since all the patches are included and you have default config files available.
[19:28] <elenciu> glycol i have the codes of .c and .h
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[19:28] <Sonny_Jim> I used to do it quite a bit for the Nintendo DS :-)
[19:28] <shiftplusone> elenciu, I would imagine this might be a starting point https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kbuild/modules.txt
[19:28] <glycol> there are tutorials which tell you how to compile kernel modules
[19:29] <elenciu> ok
[19:30] <glycol> or it may have a makefile, then you only have to run 'make'j
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[19:34] <shiftplusone> Given a makefile, the standard way is to provide some variables which tell the makefile where to find the kernel source (that's documented in the txt file I gave earlier)
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[19:37] <Yugnoswam> Does the pi have any limitations on what drive format it can read (NTFS/FAT32 etc)
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[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> Yugnoswam: It should read any filesystem Linux supports
[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> It's somewhere in /proc or cat
[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> cat /proc/filesystems
[19:37] <Yugnoswam> ok, so NTFS is fine then
[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> Well, easy to check
[19:37] <shiftplusone> Yugnoswam, the only limitation is that the first partition on the sd card has to be fat32
[19:38] <Sonny_Jim> For a boot drive
[19:39] <Yugnoswam> alright, cheers
[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> Hang on Yugnoswam
[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> I don't see NTFS in cat /proc/filesystems on mine
[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> And it reminds me
[19:39] <Yugnoswam> I'll be loading XBMC onto it if that makes any difference?
[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> Last time I checked, there was only NTFS read support
[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> You had to use FUSE for write support, but my Linux knowledge is getting crusty each day
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[19:40] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, probably becuase you'de be using ntfs-3g, not the kernel module
[19:40] <Yugnoswam> I'm not going to be writing to the drive, just reading media files to stream to my TV
[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> I'd be surprised if XBMC didn't have at least NTFS read support tbh
[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> shiftplusone: Does the kernel module now support NTFS write?
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[19:41] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, and there is read support in the kernel as well, it might have to be enable din the kernel config though.
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[19:41] <shiftplusone> *write support
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[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> There's been read for ages
[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> ah ok
[19:42] <Sonny_Jim> So it's still using FUSE for write?
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[19:42] <shiftplusone> Most people seem to, yes. But the kernel does support write as well.
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> Oh cool
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> Like I said, my Linux knowledge is about 5 years old now
[19:43] <shiftplusone> (if support has been compiled in, I mean)
[19:43] <Yugnoswam> So I even need write support if all I'm doing is streaming media to my TV?
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
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[19:44] <Sonny_Jim> I didn't see ntfs or fuse in cat /proc/filesystems, but maybe I need to modload fuse
[19:44] <Sonny_Jim> or modprobe
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[19:45] <Sonny_Jim> Jeez I'm rusty
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[19:46] <gregor3005> hi, i have configured my rpi to connect to a wifi with the gui. this generates a wpa_supplicant config. now i try to use this from the shell with the command (as root) "wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0" and i get: http://paste.debian.net/68083/
[19:47] <Sonny_Jim> Looks like it's already running
[19:47] <Sonny_Jim> Have you checked with ps fuxaww |grep wpa_supplicant?
[19:47] <Yugnoswam> Well I feel happy enough to order now :)
[19:48] <Yugnoswam> Model 2 with 8GB SD card on it's way to me now :D
[19:49] <gregor3005> Sonny_Jim: ah yes it is running
[19:49] <Yugnoswam> Is a case required for this btw or is it fine to just sit on a wooden desk?
[19:51] <pksato> case is more for consmectic. :)
[19:51] <pksato> cosmetic.
[19:51] <Sonny_Jim> I had mine G-clamped to the desk for a while
[19:52] <glycol> yugnoswam: a wooden desk is fine, obviously you should avoid placing it on conductive/metal surfaces
[19:52] <gregor3005> Sonny_Jim: hurray i'm online with an wifi usb stick :-)
[19:52] <Yugnoswam> Alright
[19:52] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McgHFdjaQMc
[19:52] <Sonny_Jim> GentileBen: Congrats
[19:54] <Yugnoswam> Why is it called a Raspberry Pi btw?
[19:55] <Sonny_Jim> Something to do with Fruit
[19:55] <Sonny_Jim> Acorns, Apple etc
[19:55] <Sonny_Jim> (I think anway)
[19:55] <shiftplusone> Yugnoswam, pi for python, raspberry from tradition of computers being names after fruit
[19:56] <Yugnoswam> ah
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[20:05] <pksato> comic video about computer fruit names http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI
[20:05] <Tehnix> does anyone else have any issues with transmission causing the rpi to become unresponsive (only a hard reboot fixes)?
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[20:05] <Tehnix> it's the only thing running on it, so, it's a bit weird :/
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[20:06] <shiftplusone> Tehnix, the "have you tried turning it off and on again" for such things is, "have you checked your tp1-tp2 voltage?"
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[20:08] <Tehnix> shiftplusone: tp1-tp2 voltage? :/ I'm using the charger that came along with it, if it were about it recieving enough power
[20:09] <shiftplusone> there are test points on the board (tp1 and tp2), if you have a multimeter handy, check them.
[20:09] <Tehnix> if of any relevance, it's running arch. I have another rpi running rasbmc with the same power supply, which has no problems at all
[20:10] <Tehnix> shiftplusone: ah :3 don't really have any of them lying around, will have to hear if someone I know has it then
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[20:12] <gregor3005> whats the best way to autoconnect to a wifi with a wifi usb stick? i tried a script under /etc/rc.local but it works only when i have a activ ethernet connection. paste the script in a second
[20:12] <pksato> gregor3005: using /etc/network/interfaces
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[20:13] <gregor3005> pksato: i used this: http://paste.debian.net/68087/
[20:13] <gregor3005> pksato: ah /etc/network/interfaces is maybe the better idea
[20:13] <pksato> if you want do to...
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[20:26] <groundnuty> hey, I'm trying to get my pi to work with wifi well. (shaiport pi) the problem is that after a while it becomes nonrsponsive
[20:27] <groundnuty> then I have to go turn on/off it
[20:27] <groundnuty> and it's all ok again
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[20:27] <groundnuty> when the cable is pluged it, there is no such issue
[20:27] <groundnuty> testes with few usb adapters
[20:27] <groundnuty> probably some configudaton issue
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[20:29] <Jusii> have you disabled powersaving
[20:29] <groundnuty> well, the few tutorials on pi+wifi that I read did not cover it
[20:30] <Jusii> iwconfig wlan0 power off
[20:30] <Jusii> to test it
[20:30] <groundnuty> where to put itto be pernament?
[20:30] <Jusii> iwconfig wlan0 will then display powersaving off
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[20:31] <Jusii> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=46569&p=386668
[20:31] <groundnuty> I guess the wireless-power off that is mentioned there will work the sme?
[20:32] <Jusii> that's how you do it permanently
[20:32] <Jusii> for testing you can use iwconfig
[20:33] <groundnuty> ok, gosh... i need to read about debian/r-debian its configs seem like black magic :)
[20:34] <groundnuty> what is inreresting /etc/init.d/networking restart never realy worked for me with wifi
[20:34] <groundnuty> the adapters always tudrned off (the led of them went down)
[20:34] <groundnuty> and never went up
[20:35] <groundnuty> only pi power on/off helps
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[20:36] <pksato> next time, try: ifdown wlan0; sleep 10; ifup wlan0
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[20:53] <tpw_rules> who here knows the linker well?
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[20:54] <shiftplusone> tpw_rules, such questions pretty much never get answered.
[20:54] <tpw_rules> okay: ld is being stupid and not placing _start at the start of my binary. how to fix
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[20:55] <mgottschlag> you want to do low level programming or something? for custom section placement you need a linker script
[20:55] <tpw_rules> .text is at the start
[20:55] <tpw_rules> but not _start within .text
[20:55] <mgottschlag> oh, well, and if the problem is that _start is in the middle of .text, then you just need to move _start into a different section
[20:56] <mgottschlag> yes, and the placement afaik cannot be controlled in a reliable way
[20:56] <shiftplusone> (I personally have no idea, just saying that indirect questions where you look for people rather than information are pretty much always ignored)
[20:56] <mgottschlag> maybe it might be possible to trick ld into placing it where you want it by reordering the input file linker parameters, but a separate section probably is the way to go
[20:57] <tpw_rules> how would i do that?
[20:57] <mgottschlag> you probably write _start in assembler, right? then you just add .section .whatever, and create a linker script
[20:57] <mgottschlag> if this is for osdev on the pi, then I can give you one
[20:58] <tpw_rules> ooh, that would be nice
[20:58] <tpw_rules> it indeed is
[20:58] <tpw_rules> i'm using dwelch's stuff
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[20:59] <reisio> Visage: sup
[20:59] <happygilmoregent> nm just boring day at work
[20:59] <reisio> I'm not working today :D
[20:59] <mgottschlag> tpw_rules: okay, sec, the one I have is a bit complicated
[21:00] <mgottschlag> http://codepad.org/DdEVG3RU
[21:00] <tpw_rules> i think i made mine work
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[21:01] <mgottschlag> but here, .setup contains only one assembler file
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[21:01] <tpw_rules> yay, so i have a semi-competent environment set up
[21:03] <happygilmoregent> how much input do you need for a tv I'm guessing the 5v 1a wouldn't work
[21:03] <tpw_rules> got my own workingish printf setup
[21:03] <mgottschlag> a whole TV? probably needs something like 100W
[21:04] <hosler> 5watts is almost 100w :p
[21:04] <happygilmoregent> so if you were going to use a USB-HDMI you would need 100W?
[21:04] <mgottschlag> happygilmoregent: that was not quite the question you asked :)
[21:05] <tpw_rules> augh why is the order of my libraries fucking with the build process
[21:05] <mgottschlag> if you want to power the pi, you need 5W, if you want to power the tv, you need 100W
[21:05] <tpw_rules> ld u suk
[21:06] <happygilmoregent> ok
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[21:06] <tpw_rules> literally nothing changed and it doesn't want to build anymore
[21:06] <mgottschlag> tpw_rules: there are linker flags for that, that is by design :)
[21:07] <tpw_rules> i mean like whether it can resolve all the symbols depends on the order of the libraries and objects on the command line
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[21:08] <tpw_rules> i really hope that's not by design
[21:08] <mgottschlag> tpw_rules: if your code is relying on the library order, you are doing it wrong
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[21:09] <tpw_rules> i don't know why it is. i'm getting different undefined references depending on order
[21:09] <tpw_rules> "uart_test.o -luart -lhw" works great. "-luart -lhw uart_test.o" fails
[21:10] <mgottschlag> every library only resolves symbols from files before it
[21:10] <tpw_rules> oh
[21:10] <mgottschlag> that *is* by design, and there are parameters to disable it
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[21:15] <tpw_rules> now suddenly it is unhappy and i don't know why
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[21:17] <tpw_rules> it worked 45 seconds ago and i don't know what changed :(
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[21:18] <reisio> tpw_rules: oh dude
[21:19] <reisio> tpw_rules: Visage had a problem just like that the other week
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[21:19] <tpw_rules> with it arbitrarily not working
[21:19] <tpw_rules> or ordering of symbols?
[21:19] <reisio> latter
[21:19] <reisio> IIRC
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[21:21] <reisio> tpw_rules: oh, no was thinking of something else, sorry
[21:21] <tpw_rules> auuugh the sections are beautiful in the .elf but wrong in the .bin
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[21:29] <tpw_rules> bah what i need to do is write a bootloader that can parse elf files
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[21:30] <tpw_rules> *sob* why are the sections overlapping
[21:30] <clever> tpw_rules: whats your linker script?
[21:31] <tpw_rules> http://pastie.org/private/ggqdeygjgywnowvx5bnhq both ._start and .text are at 0x8000 in the output
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[21:32] <clever> let me see where my linker scripts went
[21:33] <tpw_rules> btw my first thing will be implementing a forth
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[21:33] <clever> hmmm, doesnt look like i used linker scripts
[21:33] <clever> just this, objcopy -j .text -j .data -O binary a.out avr.bin
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[21:35] <tpw_rules> that screws up the order of my sections
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[21:37] <tpw_rules> not even if i put at(0x801c) does it put the section at the right place
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[21:41] <gregor3005> hi, i played with hostap and got the following error http://paste.debian.net/68109/ and this is my config http://paste.debian.net/68110/
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[21:42] <tpw_rules> how did it work once
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[21:44] <tpw_rules> why is the binary an odd number of byes long
[21:44] <tpw_rules> bytes*
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[21:46] <tpw_rules> blaugh the stupid piece of crap just is not having it. it refuses to write .start to the output file
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[21:53] <tpw_rules> this is insane. something is horribly wrong
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[21:58] <tpw_rules> okay this is stupid
[21:59] <tpw_rules> my section .start is in the elf file as told by objdump, but objcopy -j .start test.elf -o test generates an empty file
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[22:04] <gregor3005> i try to set wlan0 to a special channel and i get "SET failed on device wlan0 ; Device or resource busy." what can be the problem. i found no background processes which use wlan0. wlan0 is also set down with ifconfig
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[22:05] <tpw_rules> clever: please see above before i go mad
[22:05] <ShorTie> gregor3005, you editing /etc/network/interfaces ??
[22:06] <clever> tpw_rules: i havent done much with linker scripts before, so i'm not sure
[22:06] <tpw_rules> well that's not an issue now
[22:06] <gregor3005> ShorTie: i removed wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces because i try hostapd
[22:06] * ShorTie thinkz, too latem that happened 45 seconds ago
[22:06] <tpw_rules> the issue is the section is in the elf but won't go into the binary
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[22:07] <ShorTie> gregor3005, that is where wlan0 needs to be defined i believe
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[22:09] <davor> I need some help. I'm trying to drive an LED matrix just by using an MCP23017 by turning the LEDs one by one, but I'm getting flickering. any way to remedy this?
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[22:10] <gregor3005> ShorTie: yes but it is also possible to define a network interface manually with ifconfig
[22:10] <sney> (often recommended if you don't know whether your settings will work)
[22:11] <ShorTie> which does what ?? store it in /etc/network/interfaces ??
[22:11] <sney> you've got it reversed
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[22:11] <clever> the intefaces file just gets parsed by a script which uses things like ifconfig to configure the kernel
[22:11] <clever> the file is entirely optional, if you want to do it manualy
[22:11] <sney> ^
[22:12] <ShorTie> ya, manually every boot, sounds fun
[22:12] <clever> ShorTie: put it into rc.local then
[22:12] <clever> or create your own init.d script
[22:12] <sney> interfaces is great for when you know what your network settings are and don't need to think about it
[22:13] <sney> but it's better to use ifconfig for testing.
[22:13] <ShorTie> i just use /etc/network/interfaces
[22:13] <gregor3005> ShorTie: do you use hostapd?
[22:14] <ShorTie> no, sorry i don't
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[22:15] <gregor3005> ShorTie: ok
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[22:19] <ShorTie> gregor3005, have you looked here ?? http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot
[22:19] <ShorTie> To set this up automatically on boot, edit the file /etc/network/interfaces and replace the line "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" to:
[22:20] <ShorTie> blaaa
[22:20] <ShorTie> blaaa
[22:20] <ShorTie> blaaa
[22:20] <gregor3005> ShorTie: ah, ok, i tried like i does it normally with backtrack(kali)
[22:20] <gregor3005> ShorTie: i follow this guide and give you a feedback
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[22:53] <davor> has anyone here managed to drive an 8x8 LED matrix with an MCP23017 without it flickering?
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[22:57] <gregor3005> ShorTie: i found the problem. the usb device doesn't support the master mode
[22:58] <sney> davor: I know basically nothing about electrical stuff, but a) do you have a sufficient power supply and b) are all your connections solid?
[22:58] <davor> sney, yeah, the problem is in the code. I am drawing the matrix one LED at a time
[22:59] <davor> I assume that kind of an approach doesn't work without flickering with this hardware
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[22:59] <shiftplusone> Pretty sure it's just a speed issue that you can't drive 64 LEDs from I2C/SPI/whatever without some flicker
[22:59] <shiftplusone> (just a guess though)
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[23:04] <davor> hm, the MCP23017's datasheet says "100 kHz, 400 kHz, 1.7 MHz"
[23:04] <davor> how can I check what speed I'm currently using?
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[23:12] <ShorTie> what library are you using ??
[23:13] <davor> quick2wire for python 3 ShorTie
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[23:14] <ShorTie> oh, not much help there
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[23:17] <mgottschlag> davor: why do you want to know this?
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[23:18] <davor> I'm assuming that's the bottleneck causing the flickering
[23:18] <mgottschlag> I actually don't think the pi properly supports 1.7MHz, although I might be wrong for very short buses
[23:18] <davor> yeah I just gave it a shot, no go
[23:19] <mgottschlag> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=51856
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[23:26] <davor> yeah, that's what I tried mgottschlag
[23:27] <ShorTie> have you thought about trying wiringPi maybe ??
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi FTW :)
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> I've driven 128 LEDs via I2C in the past. 2 x mcp23017's.
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> I did up the bus rate to 400KHz though.
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[23:28] <biberao> hi
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[23:28] <biberao> why some projects use both a rpi and an arduino?
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5cSvVGCX_A <- 128 LEDs as 8x8x2 grid. Multiplexed in C
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> Gertduino :)
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[23:35] <biberao> :|
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[23:36] <davor> gordonDrogon, hm. I should really learn C, heh
[23:37] <clever> biberao: the arduino is more of a real time control system
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[23:37] <clever> biberao: but the rpi has irq's you cant control, l1/l2 cache delays, multiple clock domains
[23:37] <Sonny_Jim> davor: Don't go to ##c
[23:38] <biberao> oh ok clever
[23:38] <biberao> mind to check a thing here
[23:38] <Sonny_Jim> After hanging around in there the negative attitude has made me lose all enthusiasm for it
[23:38] <biberao> clever: -> http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi_projects/blog/2013/11/09/raspberry-pi-remote-fish-tank-controls?ICID=hp_e14TVbig&ICID=raspberrypi-raspberrypi_project-mustseeproject-bann
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[23:38] <biberao> check for "here were my requirements"
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[23:38] <clever> biberao: and from the way the gpio was behaving for me, i think that ALL gpio acts like an L1/L2 cache miss
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[23:38] <clever> if you try to access any gpio, the arm core just hangs until the next clock edge on the slower clock domain
[23:39] <clever> you can only get 20mhz if you try to bitbang a square wave
[23:39] <clever> something in that area i think
[23:39] <biberao> uu
[23:40] <clever> crap, root disk came unplugged
[23:40] <clever> brb
[23:40] <clever> actualy, just bbl
[23:40] <clever> i'll run this thing into the ground!
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[23:42] <biberao> clever: you agree with that site?
[23:42] <clever> cant read it
[23:42] <clever> with the root disk unplugged, i cant start any programs
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[23:43] <clever> the system is slowly crashing and burning!, oops
[23:43] <biberao> oh
[23:44] <clever> booting this laptop off usb, and the stick came loose
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[23:44] <clever> i'm amazed it even works still, lol
[23:44] * ShorTie hands clever the fire extinguisher
[23:45] <biberao> clever: weird thing you do
[23:45] <clever> the harddrive is still encrypted
[23:45] <clever> and its just a secondary system
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[23:48] <biberao> uu
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[23:53] <gregor3005> hi, is there any special needed to enable cron on rpi?
[23:55] <gregor3005> ok, i used /etc/crontab instead "crontab -e" this work
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[23:55] <clever> on my rasbian install, crontab is active by default
[23:55] <clever> and does some things hourly
[23:57] <gregor3005> clever: it worked with the /etc/crontab file. normally i used from the user which i want to run a cronjob the command "crontab -e"
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[23:58] <clever> are you sure you typed it in crontab -e right?

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