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IRC Log for 2013-12-01

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[0:00] <ShorTie> they are fun
[0:00] <somenewguy> so ifthe open drain output is off, it is floating
[0:00] <somenewguy> i belive
[0:00] <somenewguy> and if it is on, it is a short to ground
[0:00] <somenewguy> I think
[0:00] <shiftplusone> Then throw on a current limiting resistor in case the pi ends up in output mode accidentally.
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[0:00] <somenewguy> smart
[0:00] <Nefarious___> After 10 hours in a sports hall and 4 hours traveling, i am shattered
[0:00] <somenewguy> i should really start doing that on ALL digital outs and ins
[0:01] <somenewguy> it is a matter of time before I lose a device that way
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[0:01] <shiftplusone> Nefarious___, what were you up to? O_o
[0:02] <Nefarious___> Playing badminton for the county - it dragged on a bit lol
[0:02] <Nefarious___> 7:05 wake up to 11:02 PM now -.-
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[0:03] <Nefarious___> I have tomorrow free so i can do some bot/website work
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[0:05] <Koopz> B4n4n3nbr0t!
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[0:06] <Koopz> hdfhfdhdfhfdhdfhdfbcxbx4564564563474689726478936278946392784679532zuhjfkhjldnjknkvxc ,m
[0:06] <somenewguy> you don't say
[0:06] <sney> cat-like typing detected
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[0:11] <Koopz> ...
[0:11] <Koopz> ah shit
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[0:11] <Koopz> lol
[0:11] <Koopz> yeah... funny story behind that
[0:13] <Koopz> i took the wireless adapter of my bamboopad and sticked it to my pi 'cause i wanted to use it as mouse... seeing that it didn't work i plugged it out and putted it back to my desktop
[0:14] <Koopz> plugged in my mouse and tried to configure my wifi connection
[0:14] <Koopz> but the keyboard didn't seem to work
[0:14] <Nefarious___> Hm
[0:14] <sney> seems like it did work but you were focused on the wrong screen
[0:14] <Nefarious___> !resetoffences Nefarious___
[0:14] <sourcebot> Nefarious___: Nefarious___'s offences have been reset
[0:14] <Nefarious___> !addbadword 54321
[0:14] <sourcebot> Nefarious___: Badword added
[0:14] <Nefarious___> 54321
[0:15] <ShorTie> boom
[0:15] <Nefarious___> It still gives a warning
[0:15] <Koopz> i hammered so long on my buttons until i realized that i heard sounds coming from my headphones which are connected to my desktop... then i knew that i've unplugged the keyboard adapter instead of my bamboopad adapter
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[0:18] <shiftplusone> hmm... =S http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-01/search-for-shark-that-killed-bodyboarder-zac-young/5127228
[0:18] <shiftplusone> what the hell for? Do they plan to arrest the shark? O_o
[0:19] <hosler> yay my adruino uno can talk to my pi now
[0:19] <shiftplusone> hurray
[0:19] <hosler> now what do i do?
[0:19] <hosler> lol
[0:20] <Koopz> singing floppy drives!
[0:20] <shiftplusone> Try to take over the world?
[0:20] <Koopz> that's what i've buyed my arduino for...
[0:20] <hosler> my arduino came with 30 sensors
[0:20] <hosler> so i guess ill try to use some of those
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[0:30] <GerhardSchr> yes my I have a pi!
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[0:34] <Koopz> jeeze
[0:35] <Sonny_Jim> Louis
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[0:35] <Koopz> i changed my overclocking from High to Turbo and get greeted by another error after reboot
[0:36] <Koopz> note to myself: never switch to Turbo again...
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[0:36] <Sonny_Jim> That's the Pi trying to tell you something
[0:36] <shiftplusone> check thy voltages and get a better card and check your contacts and so on
[0:38] <Koopz> GerhardSchr: i have the strange feeling that your last name ends with 3 characters...
[0:38] <GerhardSchr> yes!
[0:38] <Koopz> the first is an e...
[0:38] <GerhardSchr> you mean Gerhard Schr�der ;)
[0:39] <Koopz> phew...
[0:39] <Koopz> that are 4 characters
[0:39] <GerhardSchr> ^^
[0:39] <Koopz> but i'm glad you're not the one i expected...
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[0:41] <GerhardSchr> Who knows? :)
[0:42] <Sonny_Jim> Vrroom vrooom
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[0:42] <Koopz> well if your name doesn't end on "eck" then i know that i don't know you
[0:42] <Sonny_Jim> I thought he was Hanks brother
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[0:44] <Koopz> i never heard of a german guy who's named "Hank"
[0:44] <shiftplusone> Do all Germans know each other?
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[0:45] <Koopz> no... but it is extremely unlikely that german parents would call their son "Hank"
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[0:45] <shiftplusone> oh =(
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[0:46] <Koopz> americans wouldn't name their kids "Karl-Heinz" or "Horst" either
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[0:51] <beet0l> my son Horst would disagree with you
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[1:05] <hosler> why is the pi more popular than the beaglebone?
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[1:05] <shiftplusone> cheaper and it came first
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[1:06] <shiftplusone> and had a focus on community from the very start
[1:07] <Sonny_Jim> Had some phat free advertising as well
[1:07] <hosler> cool beans
[1:07] <hosler> my pi still clicks when turning analog audio on? anyone know how to fix this? it makes using MPD horrible
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[1:27] <GerhardSchr> good night
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[2:08] <benny99> is there a way to SSH to my raspberry pi from another network if I don't have access to the router settings that the raspberry pi is on?
[2:09] <benny99> but I have access to the router settings from my computer
[2:09] <shiftplusone> yes
[2:09] <shiftplusone> don't remember the best way, but there are a few
[2:09] <benny99> can you name some?
[2:09] <shiftplusone> trying to find the one I am thinking of
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> benny99: In short - no - unless you've set it up beforehand
[2:10] <shiftplusone> reverse ssh tunelling I think it was I am thinking of
[2:10] <shiftplusone> but yeah, you definitely need to set things up first
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> Or have a hole punched to a computer behind the router that you can ssh to
[2:10] <benny99> SpeedEvil, I can set it up before hand
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[2:11] <shiftplusone> http://www.tunnelsup.com/raspberry-pi-phoning-home-using-a-reverse-remote-ssh-tunnel
[2:14] <benny99> shiftplusone, I just found that! haha thanks!
[2:14] <shiftplusone> have fun
[2:16] <benny99> while I'm here, can you recommend the best OS to install?
[2:17] <shiftplusone> there's no best OS, but 'raspbian' is the cookie cutter reply
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[2:18] <sney> raspbian is the best one for a new user because more people use it/can answer questions
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[2:28] <Sonny_Jim> Reverse tunnelling is cool
[2:28] <Sonny_Jim> It can be firewalled though, depends on how B the BOFH feels like
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[2:29] <Sonny_Jim> Top Tip: Put the SSH server on port 443, most people expect that to be encrypted anyway
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[2:42] <tz> that's how I tunnel out from work :)
[2:43] <Sonny_Jim> reverse ssh tunnel + squid + transparent windows = Errr, I'm supposed to be working
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[2:49] <thebeagle> does have one have a good solution for updating code on the pi as i am developing on are mote machine? I was looking into having git pull when a repo changes, but i don't wanna have to do it for a ton of small changes
[2:50] <shiftplusone> I'd use rsync
[2:50] <thebeagle> ok, ill look into that
[2:51] <shiftplusone> (rsync -av src user@ip:/path)
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[2:51] <thebeagle> ok, it looks like i could add a script that will do that each time i save a file
[2:53] <shiftplusone> set up an ssh key if you haven't already so that you're not asked for the password every time
[2:53] <thebeagle> yeah
[2:53] <thebeagle> I've done that already
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[3:30] <azizLIGHTS> you can use incron to call rsync basedd on filesystem changes
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[3:31] <thebeagle> alright
[3:31] <thebeagle> it hunk i got the rsync thing set up
[3:31] <thebeagle> thanks for the suggestion
[3:31] <thebeagle> gonna be so easy to work with now
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[3:49] <hosler> oh man i just figured out about weston
[3:49] <hosler> too bad nothing will run with it
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[3:59] <hosler> anyone else get an adafruit lcd kit?
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[4:16] <YellowGTO> whats the max safe temp for the pi?
[4:17] <sney> lots
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[4:17] <YellowGTO> LKoL
[4:18] <hosler> anyone use wayland on the pi?
[4:18] <sney> there's some team trying to make it work
[4:19] <hosler> ok
[4:19] <hosler> anyone got any tips to make X less laggy. i gotta use to to program this arduino
[4:20] <shiftplusone> YellowGTO, anything below 70 is ok. Anything over 70 is also ok.
[4:20] <shiftplusone> Why do you need X? O_o
[4:20] <YellowGTO> Am at 65c in a 70f room
[4:20] <YellowGTO> Im wonder what thats gonna spike to when its 105
[4:20] <hosler> shiftplusone: im using the arduino IDE
[4:21] <shiftplusone> Oh, you weren't the one asking about arduinos and command line?
[4:21] <hosler> shiftplusone: yeah. the command line tool i found isnt worth it. i would have to edit the makefile every time i plug in my arduino
[4:22] <shiftplusone> are you sure you have to?
[4:22] <shiftplusone> (and that it's not just a bad makefile)
[4:22] <hosler> yeah. i gotta point it to the right serial tty
[4:22] <hosler> which changes from time to time
[4:23] <hosler> it's really no big deal, but there are other gotchas.
[4:23] <shiftplusone> O_o shouldn't, but I'll take your word for it.
[4:23] <shiftplusone> which distro are you running?
[4:23] <hosler> raspbian
[4:23] <shiftplusone> from the foundation's image?
[4:23] <hosler> it will change the tty if i unplug it and plug it back in without rebooting
[4:23] <hosler> shiftplusone: whatever NOOBS provides
[4:24] <shiftplusone> then you can't do anything to speed up X (only overclock)
[4:27] <shiftplusone> yeah, that looks pretty handy
[4:28] <shiftplusone> wrong channel >.>
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[4:38] <Sonny_Jim> hosler: That sounds wrong
[4:38] <Sonny_Jim> iirc udev will give it the same device name
[4:39] <Sonny_Jim> you might be able to specify which device name it uses
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[4:40] <Sonny_Jim> The other option is to symlink all the different names to use to another one
[4:40] <Sonny_Jim> so ln -s ttyS0 ttySERIAL
[4:40] <Sonny_Jim> ln -s ttyS1 ttySERIAL
[4:40] <Sonny_Jim> (if you can do that)
[4:40] <Sonny_Jim> actually I don't think you can
[4:40] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
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[4:53] <hosler> Sonny_Jim: well i tried messing with it and i couldnt build anything
[4:53] <hosler> i think im using outdated stuff
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[8:23] <ShorTie> hmmm...
[8:23] <ShorTie> insserv: warning: script 'mathkernel' missing LSB tags and overrides
[8:24] <ShorTie> i got that runnin 'sudo update-rc.d vncboot defaults' .. :/~
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[9:03] <mrmoney2012> this works fro CLI - LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib mjpg_streamer -i "input_file.so -f /run/shm -n stream_pic.jpg" -o "output_http.so -w /usr/local/www" &
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[10:53] <efazati> how can install pfsense on respberry?
[10:57] <Sonny_Jim> Does FreeBSD run on the Pi?
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[10:59] <VlperX> so um.. prettysure my Pi is faulty..
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[11:01] <Sonny_Jim> How so?
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[13:09] <heckran> So my raspi doesn't use swapfile, even if I've configured with dphys-swapfile to my external hd and activated by dphys-swapfile swapon.
[13:10] <heckran> That is rasbian, what I'm using.
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[13:10] <heckran> On arch arm it works with no issues.
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[13:11] <heckran> Is there a log file or anything to find out why swapfile isn't being used when on high load.
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[13:27] <heckran> no-one?
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[13:42] <Sonny_Jim> heckran: Why do you think it's not being used?
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[13:48] <foofoobar> Hi. My pi is connected with my hifi. Is there any software I can stream all my pc sounds/music/whatever to the pi ?
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[13:48] <foofoobar> I know this can be done with bluetooth, but I want it over wlan/lan
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[13:52] <heckran> Sonny_Jim: Mem 431/485MB Swp 0/1023MB
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[14:00] <Sonny_Jim> Where did you get those figures?
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[14:01] <heckran> htop
[14:02] <heckran> but free -m show similar usage for swap
[14:02] <Sonny_Jim> Well, looks to me like you've got 1024MB of swap?
[14:02] <heckran> Yea?
[14:02] <Sonny_Jim> Are you getting out of memory errors?
[14:02] <heckran> Where can I see that?
[14:02] * Sonny_Jim sighs
[14:03] <Sonny_Jim> If you haven't seen them, then it hasn't happened
[14:03] <Sonny_Jim> It would be fairly obvious
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[14:03] <heckran> I see, thought it was some sort of log file, that would display those
[14:03] <Sonny_Jim> If you want logs, /var/log is a good place to start
[14:04] <Sonny_Jim> What application are you using that you are expecting to use over 1GB of memory?
[14:04] <heckran> minecraft
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[14:05] <Sonny_Jim> The Pi version?
[14:05] <heckran> no, i'm running a proper minecraft server
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[14:05] <Sonny_Jim> On the Pi?
[14:05] <heckran> Correct
[14:05] <Sonny_Jim> Where did you get it from?
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[14:06] <heckran> I'm using spigot
[14:07] <heckran> Works pretty well with under 5 people
[14:07] <heckran> But dunno what's wrong with that swapfile
[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> Why do you think there's something wrong?
[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> What was the command you used to start the server?
[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> Something like this:
[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> sudo /opt/jdk1.8.0/bin/java -Xms256M -Xmx496M -jar /home/pi/spigot.jar nogui
[14:08] <heckran> Yes
[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> Not trying to sound like a git here, but have you actually read that command lin?
[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> :-)
[14:09] <heckran> Well I've tried to increase memory usage, but still it doesn't use swap
[14:09] <heckran> so yes
[14:09] <Sonny_Jim> It'll use it if it has to
[14:09] <Sonny_Jim> Right now, from what you've posted, it hasn't had to use it
[14:10] <heckran> Isn't that a bit weird, considering my mem usage is on max
[14:10] <Sonny_Jim> Why do you consider it weird?
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[14:13] <heckran> don't you?
[14:14] <Sonny_Jim> Why would I?
[14:14] <Sonny_Jim> No, I don't
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[14:14] <Sonny_Jim> Why did you create the swapfile in the first place?
[14:15] <heckran> why is that you don't find it odd?
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[14:17] <Sonny_Jim> Because, and I don't know how I can put this in plainer language, if it needed to use the swapfile, it would?
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[14:18] <ShadowJK> Those are minimum and max heap sizes for java. If the application being run uses less, there'd be nothing pushing stuff into swap
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[14:38] <VlperX> anything on a Raspberry Pi C? I'd like to see USB3 and Gbit Ethernet ;)
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[14:45] <ShorTie> only users have dreams of a Raspberry Pi C
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[14:51] <SpeedEvil> I want them to use a manufacturer that actually documents their chips, and will sell them to third parties.
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[14:52] <SpeedEvil> http://shop.dmp.com.tw/INT/products/24 - for example.
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[14:53] <SpeedEvil> http://www.86duino.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Vortex86EX_A9123_V14_86duino.pdf - has a 700 page datasheet
[14:53] <Sonny_Jim> I thought the idea was that you have the choice between three things:
[14:53] <Sonny_Jim> Open hardware, cheap, powerful
[14:53] <Sonny_Jim> and you could only pick 2
[14:54] <ShadowJK> so rpi foundation picked 1, cheap? :)
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> No.
[14:54] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> They picked 'Oooh - I can get these at work'.
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[14:55] <SpeedEvil> The only way they were able to get parts, and get what limited data has become available is because of direct contacts with the broadcom board.
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[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Also - the above is a really neat case
[15:00] <TheWarden> Hi
[15:00] <TheWarden> I'm trying to teach my son some programming and for some reason I can't get the following code to work. No errors appear, it just created a window and never changes the color of that one. My understanding is that pygame.display.update() is suppose to update the entire surface window to blue.
[15:00] <TheWarden> Oh here is the code, very simple. https://gist.github.com/thewarden/c76207c5cc2be574be34
[15:00] <TheWarden> The window just remains black with no change.
[15:01] <TheWarden> btw, I'm using IDLE on the Raspberry Pi.
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[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> TheWarden: You have a type
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> *typo
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[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> What's deeblue?
[15:05] <TheWarden> Sonny_Jim: Ahh I do, but I think that was my fault typing it into Gist. I'll double check the code again in IDLE.
[15:07] <TheWarden> Sonny_Jim: I double checked it myself and still the display window didn't update to deepblue.
[15:07] <TheWarden> pygame.ini() returns (6,0)
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[15:08] <TheWarden> surface.fill(deepblue) returns <rect (0, 0, 500, 500)>
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[15:10] <TheWarden> there I updated it to show exactly how the shell shows, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/c76207c5cc2be574be34
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[15:11] <Sonny_Jim> Unfortunately I know 0% python so I can't really help you
[15:13] <TheWarden> oh okay, well thanks though.
[15:15] <Sonny_Jim> Might be worth asking in #python maybe?
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[15:15] <Nefarious___> #pygame
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[15:23] <LoonaTick> Hi. My raspberry pi (running raspbian) suddenly cannot connect to outside hosts on port 80 anymore. It is able to send ping to outside and resolve hosts, but it is unable to wget any URL or to apt-get upgrade. Did anybody else have this problem? Other hosts in my LAN are able to connect just fine.
[15:23] <pieces029> could someone do me a favor and paste the contents of there sources.list? My updates and installs keep failing
[15:24] <LoonaTick> http://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.5/mysql-5.5.34.tar.gz
[15:24] <LoonaTick> oops
[15:24] <LoonaTick> deb http://raspbian.mirror.triple-it.nl/raspbian wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[15:24] <pieces029> ty
[15:24] <Sonny_Jim> LoonaTick: You haven't been using iptables for anything?
[15:24] <LoonaTick> Sonny_Jim: No, iptables have all policies on accept and no other rules
[15:25] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, you don't use a proxy?
[15:25] <LoonaTick> No
[15:26] <Sonny_Jim> I'm not sure then
[15:26] <LoonaTick> It could be that it happens since I rebooted after a firmware upgrade
[15:26] <LoonaTick> It cannot connect to github on port 443 either
[15:27] * Sonny_Jim is thinking
[15:27] <Sonny_Jim> You checked with sudo iptables --list?
[15:28] <LoonaTick> Sonny_Jim: Yes, http://pastebin.com/6smgbFUm
[15:28] <Sonny_Jim> Weird
[15:28] <a7x> Sonny_Jim, ping your own computer
[15:28] <a7x> ops LoonaTick*
[15:28] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[15:29] <LoonaTick> a7x: I can SSH to it from my computer
[15:29] <LoonaTick> I just turned the switch off and on again, just a sec
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[15:30] <a7x> LoonaTick, ok
[15:30] <a7x> LoonaTick, it may be a configuration fault
[15:30] <LoonaTick> a7x: Fixed now. It was my WLAN -> LAN converter. Thanks for your help, both!
[15:30] <Sonny_Jim> Bizarro
[15:30] <Sonny_Jim> np
[15:30] <a7x> ^^
[15:30] <LoonaTick> yea :)
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[15:31] <LoonaTick> btw did you ever hear of somebody getting MySQL + galera to work on a set of pi's?
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[15:40] <TheWarden> I'm trying in Pygame but so far I've found no solution. very frustrating especially when I'm trying to show my child how cool this can be :)
[15:43] <pieces029> LoonaTick, I switched to use the repo you gave me and I'm still getting things like W: Failed to fetch http://raspbian.mirror.triple-it.nl/raspbian/dists/wheezy/contrib/i18n/Translation-en_GB Unable to connect to raspbian.mirror.triple-it.nl:http. Do you have any ideas why?
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[15:44] <LoonaTick> pieces029: Do you have working internet on the pi?
[15:45] <pieces029> yup
[15:46] <LoonaTick> pieces029: You sure? Are you able to ping other hosts, or to do wget http://www.google.com/ ?
[15:46] <pieces029> yeah it's super slow but it works
[15:46] <LoonaTick> Try to use a mirror closer to you btw: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianMirrors
[15:47] <GerhardSchr> hi
[15:47] <pieces029> I get this too E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[15:47] <pieces029> update is where I get the 404 errors though
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[15:48] <LoonaTick> pieces029: Maybe one of the other ones in /etc/apt/sources.list.d is causing that?
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[15:49] <GerhardSchr> I have a Y Cable from my ext. 2.5 hdd, when I connect the one to the pi and the other to PC/HUB, then the pi boot without the "master" supply...is these dangerous?
[15:49] <pieces029> maybe I'll check into that
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[15:49] <somenewguy> my raspi is ignoring me, can anyone offer some guidance?
[15:50] <somenewguy> the other day I installed and setup MPD successfully, then shut it down and went to bed
[15:50] <somenewguy> today I plugged it back into my router and the wall, and can't ssh into it
[15:50] <somenewguy> a few quick scans show its not turning up on my network anywehre either...
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[15:53] <GerhardSchr> somenewguy: same with openelec on my pi (But over wlan, I do not try lan)
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[15:54] <GerhardSchr> somenewguy: port 22: Connection refused ?
[15:55] <GerhardSchr> afk
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[15:57] <pieces029> somenewguy, are you using nmap?
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[15:59] <Sonny_Jim> Sounds like you might need to plug a TV into it to see what it's doing
[16:00] <Sonny_Jim> GerhardSchr: Yeah, don't plug two USB hosts into each other
[16:00] <Sonny_Jim> That's bad, m'kay?
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[16:01] <GerhardSchr> Sonny_Jim: ok only over a powered usb hub...
[16:02] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, it might just be that the data lines aren't connected and only the power lines are
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[16:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03j9m1h/Im_Sorry_I_Havent_A_Clue_Series_60_Episode_3/ @8:22 (no, this is not pi related)
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[16:04] <GerhardSchr> Sonny_Jim: http://www.bixmart.com/assets/images/laptopparts/cabusb-yblack.jpg hmmm
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[16:04] <GerhardSchr> what the diff if I connect these to pc or the hub or the tv itself
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[16:13] <Sonny_Jim> The TV thing was aimed at somenewguy
[16:14] <Sonny_Jim> But what they are doing is trying to 'cheat' the USB standard as the HDD requires more power than a single USB port can provide
[16:15] <Sonny_Jim> As it is, I believe the standard spec says 500mA per port
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[16:15] <Sonny_Jim> But if you plug one into your Pi and one into your computer, you'll be linking up two separate power supplys that aren't meant to be linked
[16:16] <Sonny_Jim> It *could* end in smoke
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[16:16] <Sonny_Jim> If you have a powered hub, plug both into that
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[16:45] <GerhardSchr> ok
[16:45] <GerhardSchr> thanks
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[16:50] <somenewguy> and now im back?
[16:50] <somenewguy> yay, sorry just testing connectin
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[17:43] <drag0nius> what partition is NOOBS bootloader located on?
[17:43] <drag0nius> i want to add some entries
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[17:51] <delugeofspam> is there any really good reason that my pi should be playing one AVC/DTS file and completley failing to play another?
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[17:56] <Kymru> ant flexget gurus in here? where in this flexget config.yml would you put the proxy command - http://pastebin.com/qZCNam0u
[17:56] <Kymru> any
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[18:20] <beaky> hello
[18:20] <Cykey> can you use 5v inputs on the gpio?
[18:20] <beaky> how do i use the pi for more than wht i use arduino for
[18:22] <Sonny_Jim> Cykey: Nope
[18:22] <Sonny_Jim> It's only 3.3V tolerant
[18:22] <Cykey> Sonny_Jim: what happens if I do?
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[18:22] <Cykey> bad things?
[18:22] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty much
[18:22] <Cykey> ok
[18:22] <Cykey> my interrupts aren't working
[18:22] <Cykey> and I have no idea why
[18:22] <Sonny_Jim> beaky: The Arduino doesn't really have the OS features of an Arduino
[18:22] <Sonny_Jim> So things like network connectivity, USB peripherals etc
[18:23] <Sonny_Jim> Cykey: If you post some code and if you are using wiringPi, give gordonDrogon a prod
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[18:23] <beaky> but i can buy etheret shield and some usb chip and that will make my arduino do those as well
[18:23] <Cykey> I am using wiringpi
[18:23] <Sonny_Jim> beaky: Err, I mean, the Arduino doesn't have the OS features of a Pi, obviously
[18:23] <beaky> :)
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[18:23] <Sonny_Jim> beaky: fair enough, but for $35 you get audio out, ethernet, USB, video out etc
[18:24] <beaky> ah right
[18:24] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, some projects an Arduino is better and vice versa
[18:24] <beaky> also the pi is computationailly] beefier than arduino
[18:24] <Cykey> Sonny_Jim: Okay, weirdest thing ever: https://ghostbin.com/paste/x7cbu I am *not* touching the button at all and its input changes constantly
[18:24] <Sonny_Jim> Sure, that's the spirit ;-)
[18:24] <Cykey> (I am looping to get the input)
[18:24] <Sonny_Jim> Cykey: You haven't set the pull up/down resitor
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[18:24] <Sonny_Jim> *resistor
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[18:25] <Cykey> I did put a resistor, 10k ohm to ground
[18:25] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[18:25] <Sonny_Jim> Code would be better rather than just output :-/
[18:26] <Cykey> yeah, let me clean it up, sec
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[18:27] <Sonny_Jim> Plus you can program an Arduino from a Pi, not sure about the other way around
[18:27] <Cykey> code :https://ghostbin.com/paste/ezsee
[18:27] <beaky> but pi uses more power than arduino
[18:28] <beaky> less analog input
[18:28] <Sonny_Jim> Sure, I think the Arduino has a smaller footprint as well
[18:28] <Sonny_Jim> ... other unrelated code...
[18:28] <Sonny_Jim> erm
[18:29] <Sonny_Jim> One thing I can spot quickly, you are reading the pin twice
[18:29] <Sonny_Jim> Once in the interrupt and once in the while loop
[18:29] <Sonny_Jim> Get rid of one or the other
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[18:29] <Sonny_Jim> Have you tied the pin high?
[18:29] <Cykey> Sonny_Jim: Yeah, I added the "waiting: %d" code because the interrupt was never called
[18:29] <Sonny_Jim> Because in the interrupt code you are looking for it to drop
[18:30] <Sonny_Jim> ie 3.3V -> GND
[18:30] <Cykey> should I try INT_EDGE_BOTH?
[18:30] <Sonny_Jim> Well, you could, but you need to look at the problem differently
[18:30] <Sonny_Jim> How is the button wired?
[18:30] <Syliss> i really need to find a use for my pi
[18:30] <Cykey> like this http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Tutorial/button.png
[18:30] <Syliss> i haven't used it in ages
[18:30] <Cykey> Syliss: Do you use a mac?
[18:30] <Sonny_Jim> Syliss: Got a NES?
[18:31] <Syliss> of course, on both
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[18:31] <Sonny_Jim> Make a NES bot
[18:31] <Sonny_Jim> It's easy
[18:31] <Sonny_Jim> All you need is a 4021
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[18:32] <Sonny_Jim> Cykey: I would get rid of the resistor and just use the internal pull up resistor for now
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[18:32] <Syliss> hmm
[18:32] <Sonny_Jim> So wire it up GND -> Button -> GPIO
[18:32] <Sonny_Jim> Trust me on this
[18:32] <Cykey> Syliss: time machine server! :-)
[18:33] <Sonny_Jim> The Pi has internal pull up resistors and it's easier for me to help you if I can simplfy the circuit
[18:33] <Cykey> alright
[18:33] <Sonny_Jim> Have a look here:
[18:33] <Sonny_Jim> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/functions/
[18:33] <Sonny_Jim> Specifically:
[18:34] <Sonny_Jim> void pullUpDnControl (int pin, int pud) ;
[18:35] <Sonny_Jim> If you set the pin to PUD_UP in your setup, make sure it's set to look for the falling edge, should work fine
[18:35] <Cykey> Hm
[18:35] <Cykey> Also, I can read just fine now
[18:35] <Cykey> but the interrupt ain't working
[18:35] <Sonny_Jim> Got it?
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[18:35] <Sonny_Jim> It is, trust me
[18:35] <Sonny_Jim> Unless you fried it by putting 5V down it
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[18:36] <Cykey> I did not
[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I'm going to go for a cigerette, your code looks fine apart from missing the pullup
[18:36] <Cykey> so should I do pullUpDnControl(CAMERA_BUTTON_PIN, PUD_DOWN)?
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[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
[18:36] <Cykey> eh
[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> because you want it to trigger on the falling edge, right?
[18:36] <Cykey> i guess
[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> So you want to pull the pin HIGH then GND it so it triggers on the falling edge
[18:37] <Sonny_Jim> GND -> Button -> GPIO
[18:37] <Sonny_Jim> GPIO will float steady at 3.3V with PUD_UP
[18:37] <Sonny_Jim> You can do the reverse but I feel safer with the GND
[18:38] <Sonny_Jim> But prod gordonDrogon a few times, he wrote the library ;-)
[18:38] <Sonny_Jim> bbiab
[18:39] <Cykey> Woo it's working now! :D
[18:39] <Cykey> ty ! :)
[18:41] <Sonny_Jim> No probs
[18:42] <Syliss> yeah idk
[18:42] <Sonny_Jim> Once you get the hang of it you can do crazy things like interface the Pi with a SNES controller port
[18:42] <Syliss> i use it with my lap dock now and then
[18:42] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da7j4CaIf8g
[18:42] <Syliss> but i just can't find something worth wild yet
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[18:44] <Sonny_Jim> Cykey: Ok, just FYI. Looking at your code, line is not neccessary right now
[18:44] <Sonny_Jim> As you are declaring the button_interrupt_handler function twice
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[18:45] <Sonny_Jim> As button_interrupt_handler (line 12) is above the part in your file where you actually use it, it's not really needed
[18:48] <Sonny_Jim> if button_interrupt_handler was in a separate source file or was used before it was declared on line 26 where you register the handler, then you would need that line there
[18:49] <Sonny_Jim> sorry, it's declared on both line 10 and 12, you use it on line 26
[18:49] <Cykey> Yeah I am declaring it & implementing it right after
[18:49] <Cykey> old habits
[18:49] <Cykey> :P
[18:50] <Sonny_Jim> It's no bad thing
[18:50] <Sonny_Jim> In fact I'm pretty sure you are supposed to do that anyway ;-)
[18:50] <Sonny_Jim> But seeing as you've declared it static it makes me go hmm
[18:50] <beaky> how did they manage to fit a full computer into a single hand-sized board?
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[18:51] <Sonny_Jim> beaky: System On Chip
[18:51] <Tachyon`> same way they fit one in a phone
[18:51] <beaky> wow i have to read on this SoC thing
[18:51] <Sonny_Jim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_on_a_chip
[18:51] <Cykey> the bcm2835 chip has everything
[18:52] <Sonny_Jim> Not *everything* is on there, like voltage regulation etc.
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[18:52] <Sonny_Jim> But it does have those handy internal resistors :-)
[18:52] <Yugnoswam> What's the audio chip like on the RBPi? Seems a little... low qual
[18:52] <Tachyon`> hrm, I've had no problems with it
[18:53] <Sonny_Jim> You don't spend $35 and expect HiFi audio, but for it's purpose it's fine
[18:53] <Tachyon`> even the 3.5mm analogue out is doing fine sending audio to my music system atm
[18:53] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, you are only going to run MP3's through it anyway ;-)
[18:54] <Tachyon`> it's more for video, the audio on my tv is terrible
[18:54] <Tachyon`> 1080p panel, 50p speakers
[18:54] <mgottschlag> "<Sonny_Jim> Not *everything* is on there, like voltage regulation etc." - actually it has some voltage regulation stuf ^^
[18:54] <Sonny_Jim> mgottschlag: I was thinking more along the lines of the 5V -> 3.3V reg
[18:54] <mgottschlag> "<Yugnoswam> What's the audio chip like on the RBPi? Seems a little... low qual" - simple PWM with a low-pass filter, there is no actual audio stuff on the chip
[18:54] <mgottschlag> so it might not use anything close to 16bit
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[18:55] <Yugnoswam> Hm, it seems to output audio very static-filled past a certain volume.
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[18:56] <Cykey> might as well get a USB sound card :-)
[18:56] <Tachyon`> sounds like you're clipping, volume simply too hi
[18:56] <Yugnoswam> Not the volume, the audio files are just a standard level (actually a little lower than normal)
[18:57] <Yugnoswam> TV volume it's playing through isn't very higher either
[18:57] <Sonny_Jim> You need to "maximise the signal chain" as my old lecturer used to say, without overloading it
[18:57] <Yugnoswam> Hm?
[18:57] <Sonny_Jim> So basically, the Pi is amplifying it too much, causing distortion.
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[18:58] <Sonny_Jim> What you should try is turning down the volume on the Pi and turning up the volume on the television
[18:58] <Yugnoswam> Yeah, there isn't really any option on the pi to lower it though
[18:58] <Sonny_Jim> There sure is
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[18:58] <Sonny_Jim> alsamixer is one
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[18:58] <Yugnoswam> http://puu.sh/5xOYZ
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[18:58] <Sonny_Jim> Ha
[18:59] <Sonny_Jim> What is it with people taking pics of stuff instead of explaining the problem
[18:59] <Sonny_Jim> This *is* IRC you know ;-)
[18:59] <Yugnoswam> Because you didn't seem to believe there wasn't any audio setting for it when I typed it
[18:59] <Sonny_Jim> I have no idea about openelec
[18:59] <Sonny_Jim> But try +/- on the numpad
[19:00] <Yugnoswam> hm
[19:00] <Yugnoswam> will do
[19:00] <Jusii> sure it has vol control
[19:01] <Sonny_Jim> http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=Keyboard_controls
[19:01] <Sonny_Jim> That would probably be handy for you
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[19:02] <Sonny_Jim> See, in the time it took to take and upload that picture you could of asked "How do I change the volume in openelec? I don't see a volume control?"
[19:02] <Sonny_Jim> And I wouldn't have to copy and paste it into a browser, wait for the image to load, switch back to IRC and tell you to press -
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> evening.
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[20:27] <beaky> hello
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[20:27] <beaky> how do i lower the power consumption of my po
[20:27] <beaky> pi*
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[20:27] <ShadowJK> hello beaky
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[20:29] <Sonny_Jim> from what I gather, there isn't that much you can do.
[20:29] <beaky> ah :(
[20:29] <Sonny_Jim> Slower CPU speed doesn't use drastically less power
[20:29] <ShadowJK> Ethernet seems to use noticeable amounts of power
[20:30] <Sonny_Jim> There is a 'power saving' mode but I think it's hard to wake up from
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[20:30] <Sonny_Jim> Apparently you can replace the regulator with a more effiecient one but that involves soldering
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[20:31] <Sonny_Jim> Model A apparently use 0.5Watts instead of 2W at idle
[20:31] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=33159
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[20:31] <beaky> wow you can replace the onboard reg?
[20:32] <Sonny_Jim> Well, read the thread
[20:32] <Sonny_Jim> Be cheaper/easier just to give it more batteries
[20:33] <Amadiro> beaky, keep system resources idle as much as possible
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[20:34] <Amadiro> as ShadowJK said, the smsc chip eats a lot of power (particularly in early revisions, AFAIR, where it was wired up incorrectly) so taking that out may give you a lot of leverage
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[20:34] <Amadiro> and if you want to run on batteries, replacing the PSU with a switched low-dropout regulator
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[20:38] <fugutive221> Hi!
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> beaky, you can turn off the USB power which will save up to 100mA on a model B
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> beaky, but with no USB, you have no ethernet. etc.
[20:39] <beaky> oh didnt knwot he ethernet was tied to usb
[20:39] <beaky> (why would it be btw?)
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> the ethernet is a usb device.
[20:39] <beaky> so it hooks to the SoC thorugh its usb pins?
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> it's just the way the Pi is made. - yes.
[20:40] <beaky> the pi is a quirky animal
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> it boils (or boiled!) down to cost...
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> pack all those features into a < $35 package... and this was 2 years ago now, remember..
[20:41] <Amadiro> beaky, the SoC doesn't have ethernet onboard, so the SMSC ethernet chip is basically just a "USB network card" soldered directly onto the board.
[20:41] <beaky> wow imagine what the pi people could do with present ones
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[20:41] <fugutive221> I get this noisy sound when playing videos through RaspBMC. I'm using Composite Video and 3.5mm audio
[20:42] <ShadowJK> the broadcom chip was old even 2 years ago ;)
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, it's a 3-port USB hub - one port goes to the ethernet, the other 2 to the external socket.
[20:42] <beaky> the broadcom chip seems genius how does it pack all that power in there
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[20:42] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, sure
[20:42] <beaky> hd video, hd sound, raw speed, energy efficiecny...
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> beaky, it's really nothing clever - remember the mobile phone companies have been doing this stuff for a long time now.
[20:43] <Amadiro> beaky, it's not really very powerful or energy efficient compared to the SoCs you find in modern mobile phones
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> although SoC isn't strictly a mobile unit - it's aimed at the set top box market, but there are similarities.
[20:43] <ShadowJK> beaky; allwinner, rockchip, mediatek are all more powerful and energy efficient..
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[20:43] <ShadowJK> Yeah, the rpi chip being aimed at set top boxes is why it runs so high power at idle
[20:44] <Amadiro> beaky, the bcm chip on the rpi was mainly targeted towards settop-boxes & co, so it doesn't have a lot of the advanced energy saving features some mobile-device-targeted SoCs have
[20:44] <Amadiro> But it's still a very low-energy solution compared to any, say, x86 MPU or so, of course...
[20:45] <beaky> why is an arm chip more enrgy eficeint compared to intel oferings
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[20:45] <PigFlu> what distro would you guys recommend for C programming on the pi?
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> PigFlu, I use Raspbian.
[20:45] <Amadiro> PigFlu, any should work, archlinux tends to have the very newest gcc and clang versions available, so that's a plus.
[20:45] <PigFlu> i only have a 2GB sd card though
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> beaky, it's a long story - you need to go back some 25 years to read the histroy.. ;-)
[20:47] <Amadiro> Looks like raspbian only has up to gcc 4.7, I'd definitely prefer to have a 4.8 version, if you're looking to use gcc
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> everyone wants to chase the latest gcc... (why?)
[20:47] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, massively improved error messages in 4.8
[20:47] <beaky> yes i recomend clang
[20:47] <Amadiro> much much easier to read
[20:48] <Amadiro> Also, C++11 compat, if you care about that
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[20:49] <PigFlu> nah
[20:49] <ShadowJK> beaky; intel isn't that interested in making low power cheap chips. They're afraid they wouldn't sell anymore fast expensive chips.
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[20:50] <beaky> ah
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[20:50] <beaky> so intel isn't really a competitor to arm
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[20:50] <beaky> they prey on totaly different niche?
[20:50] <ShadowJK> Well, they're forced into it.
[20:50] <ShadowJK> into competing with arm, that is.
[20:50] <ShadowJK> There are some phones and tablets with intel chips
[20:51] <Amadiro> beaky, historically intels dominance has forced ARM into the low-power/low-end market, but now that mobile is gaining relevance so quickly, ARM is starting to dominate. Intel has responded with some mobile devices, but nobody has been majorly impressed so far -- it's matter of where the companies historically come from
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[20:52] <ShadowJK> Intel is dragging its feet still, just like when they released the original Atom. They made a low power cpu, but because they thought it was too low power, they forced you to use a chipset and motherboard that itself ate 5 times more power than the cpu, lol.
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[20:53] <ShadowJK> iirc, Arm gets less than a dollar profit per cpu on average. Intel hundreds.
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[20:54] <Amadiro> well, ARM doesn't actually make chips, so they are pretty different companies anyway
[20:54] <ShadowJK> yeah
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[20:56] <beaky> arm must have ingenious architecutre if it has 20 demands fierceley competing to meet demand
[20:56] <beaky> 20 companies*
[20:56] <Amadiro> beaky, it's not so much about being technically ingenious or superior, it's all about having a large ecosystem that people want to peruse
[20:56] <Amadiro> beaky, there is nothing particularly ingenious or superior about x86, yet since everybody has libraries, operating systems, programs ... for x86, that's what e.g. the new playstation and xbox use
[20:57] <beaky> ah
[20:57] <Amadiro> So it's all about creating a good ecosystem for your architecture that people care about, with good compilers, good availability of silicone, etc
[20:57] <ShadowJK> In the case of ps and xbox, legacy plays almost no part
[20:58] <PigFlu> ok, i booted up Arch
[20:58] <PigFlu> -bash: gcc: command not found
[20:58] <PigFlu> now what? D:
[20:58] <Amadiro> PigFlu, "sudo pacman -S gcc"
[20:58] <Amadiro> (you possibly have to install sudo first)
[20:59] <Amadiro> (or just use your root shell, whatever)
[20:59] <PigFlu> im always root, fuck da police
[20:59] <sney> does arch have an equivalent to build-essential that includes stuff like binutils
[20:59] <Phosie> Language
[20:59] <Amadiro> sney, probably, but I can't remember the name
[21:00] <Amadiro> base-devel maybe
[21:01] <PigFlu> Amadiro: http://pastebin.com/uf18BGS9
[21:01] <PigFlu> now what :/
[21:03] <Amadiro> PigFlu, did you configure your mirror correctly
[21:03] <Amadiro> PigFlu, try running `pacman -Suy` first thing
[21:03] <Amadiro> (assuming you haven't done that already)
[21:03] <PigFlu> configure my mirror? wat
[21:03] <PigFlu> no i havent
[21:03] <Amadiro> whatever, just run -Suy and then try again
[21:03] <Amadiro> it will probably fix the issue
[21:04] <PigFlu> :: Replace heirloom-mailx with core/s-nail? [Y/n]
[21:05] <PigFlu> oh god its downloading tons of stuff
[21:05] <Amadiro> PigFlu, that is to be expected, because the image you downloaded is probably quite out-of-date, and archlinux is a distro that has the goal of always giving you the very newest versions of everything (so things get updated constantly)
[21:06] <Amadiro> If that's an issue (e.g. because you have a limited/slow connection), maybe raspbian would be better (you can probably find repos with newer gcc versions)
[21:06] <PigFlu> no no, its already done, no problem
[21:06] <PigFlu> but i have limited space on my 2GB sd-card
[21:07] <PigFlu> i just want a really lightweight system that can run simple C programs
[21:07] <Amadiro> PigFlu, well, there are a lot of packages you can probably remove
[21:07] <PigFlu> well, multithreaded network programs
[21:07] <Amadiro> I usually remove documentation first, although if you want to program C on that system (and you don't have any other linux system nearby) that is probably not the best idea
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[21:10] <PigFlu> im a linux-C wiz m8, no worries
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[21:11] <gordonDrogon> it'll depend on how much GUI you wany.
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> if you remove X then you'll free up half of it..
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> and remember to expand the filesystem - the supplied 2GB image is just short of 2GB so it fits into SD cards that have slightly less than their advertised 2GB..
[21:13] <PigFlu> i want 0 GUI
[21:13] <Amadiro> I don't think the archlinux image comes with any GUI stuff pre-installed?
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> apt-get purge xserver (etc.) then :)
[21:13] <PigFlu> startx failed so idk
[21:14] <Amadiro> PigFlu, I don't think startx is still a thing, try just "X" or "Xorg"
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> startx is what gets you going after logging in as 'pi' ...
[21:14] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, we're talking about archlinux
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[21:14] <gordonDrogon> ah.
[21:14] <Amadiro> not debian
[21:14] <PigFlu> ill try after pacman is done
[21:14] <Amadiro> PigFlu, alt-F1...F12 will give you new terminales
[21:15] <Amadiro> alt-left/right allows you to navigate between them too
[21:15] <Phosie> Arch pi has no GUI by default
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[21:15] <Phosie> So you'll need to install one
[21:16] <Phosie> That's if you want one, haven't been following
[21:16] <PigFlu> Amadiro: alt-F1 where?
[21:16] <Amadiro> PigFlu, on the VT
[21:17] <Phosie> anywhere
[21:17] <PigFlu> im not physically on the box, im on ssh
[21:17] <PigFlu> but i guess i could just start another session..
[21:17] <Amadiro> PigFlu, ah, well, then it's trivial to open a new session (or you could use tmux/screen)
[21:17] <PigFlu> ah yea, screen is nice
[21:17] <Amadiro> tmux is nicer, IMO
[21:18] <Amadiro> but screen does the job too
[21:18] <Phosie> Agreed
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[21:30] <Sonny_Jim> How is tmux nicer out of interest?
[21:31] <Amadiro> Sonny_Jim, it's very configurable and scriptable, has more features, and saner default keybindings (that don't interfere with vim/emacs keybindings etc)
[21:31] <PigFlu> "make: command not found"
[21:31] <PigFlu> im guessing pacman -S make ?
[21:32] <Amadiro> yep
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> Ah well, not really bothered about messing around with scripts and got used to the keybindings
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> I only ever cut/paste and sometimes split/join
[21:32] <Amadiro> Sonny_Jim, it's very nice to be able to set up complex sessions and then save them, get back to them later, etc
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> So probably not much for me there
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> Like I said, not really a 'power' user
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> I think it took my 4 years to get around to setting up irssi for autojoin cmds ;-)
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[21:34] <Amadiro> I just use a bouncer
[21:35] <Amadiro> connect to bouncer, join channels, it remembers the channels, and next time you reconnect you get them all back (+ scrollback)
[21:36] <Sonny_Jim> Heh
[21:36] <Sonny_Jim> Different strokes for different folks
[21:36] <Amadiro> I just prefer a graphical IRC client, it's much more managable if you're in a lot of channels
[21:36] <Sonny_Jim> Interesting to see how the other half live
[21:36] <Amadiro> and it can display notifications/play sounds if I get a highlight
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[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> Sure, with irssi it becomes a pain after you go about 10
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[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> Unless I'm missing some magic shortcut to go to window 11 and up
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[21:37] <jesse55> alt + q, w, e and so on
[21:38] <Sonny_Jim> although there's ctrl-p
[21:38] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[21:38] <Amadiro> I'm in 62 chans right now, most on freenode
[21:38] <Sonny_Jim> Sheesh
[21:38] <Amadiro> yeah, you can navigate like that in irssi, but meh
[21:38] <Sonny_Jim> I like KISS
[21:38] <mrmoney2012> going to be controlling my christmas lights via pi - anyone else?
[21:39] <Sonny_Jim> Don't want to spend my days trying to figure out which of the 62 channels has important information ;-)
[21:39] <mrmoney2012> must try irssi
[21:40] <Sonny_Jim> That's the good thing about Linux now, you can dangle your toes in or go diving down to the depths
[21:40] <Sonny_Jim> If that metaphor makes any sense to the current conversation....
[21:40] <Phosie> I find 5 channels too much. I cant keep up
[21:41] <Sonny_Jim> Although I do wish the two apps I use the most (vim + screen) didn't have godawful default shortcut keys
[21:41] <Sonny_Jim> Well, that's a bit much
[21:41] <Sonny_Jim> But very occasionally I miss WIMP ;-)
[21:42] <Sonny_Jim> (That's old RISCOS speak for "something I can click on")
[21:42] <pingo> which logs should i check to investigate why my r.pi freezes randomly?
[21:42] <Sonny_Jim> Have a dig around in /var/log
[21:42] <Amadiro> Sonny_Jim, that's not really a big issue, the channels mainly fall into three categories: 1) super low-traffic channels that have a message like once a week, but I want to be notified when something happens 2) high-traffic channels that I frequent for information or for being social (like this one) and 3) channels that I'm in because my employer wants me to (also mostly low-traffic)
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[21:43] <Sonny_Jim> You see, my brain wouldn't be able to keep up
[21:43] <Sonny_Jim> I'd probably remember about 4 channels and that's it
[21:43] <Amadiro> Sonny_Jim, I don't need to remember them, the low-traffic channels will notify me when something happens, and when I'm bored, I can go through the high-traffic/social channels
[21:44] <Sonny_Jim> I'm just wierd, I preferred TV when it was BBC1, BBC2, ITV and Channel 4
[21:44] <Amadiro> I don't even bother with TV anymore
[21:44] <Sonny_Jim> Exactly
[21:44] <Amadiro> when I watch something, it's mostly on youtube...
[21:45] <Sonny_Jim> Weird how that's happened
[21:45] <Sonny_Jim> Anyway
[21:45] <Sonny_Jim> bbiab
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[21:47] <Amadiro> it's just so difficult to find anything relevant on TV, compared to just typing "cool raspberry pi project" into youtube :P
[21:47] <Amadiro> better production values on TV don't usually make up for that, for me personally
[21:48] <johnc-> these days you can just seek out the shows you have an interest in
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[21:49] <Sonny_Jim> Well, it's nice that we all have our own niche now :-)
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[21:49] <Phosie> Especially with catch up TV serviced
[21:49] <Phosie> Services
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[21:49] <Sonny_Jim> Oh that's pretty dope
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[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> The BT one, has all the catchup channels on the normal EPG
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[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> No hunting around through iPlayer/ITVPlayer/whatever
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[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> Not sure if they all do that now though
[21:51] <Sonny_Jim> Still havent convinced my friends with the Tivo style thumbs up/thumbs down button is worth using
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[21:51] <Sonny_Jim> From what I gather it's supposed to work out what you like watching and give you suggestions
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[22:12] <pingo> Any ideas on what is going on with the wifi from this log: http://pastebin.com/P209RVND
[22:13] <pingo> it randomly freezes and never connects again
[22:13] <ShorTie> how is the wifi getting power ??
[22:13] <pingo> usb hub 3.5A
[22:14] <Mrgoose> nrf24 on the raspberry pi is difficult
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[22:31] <Sonny_Jim> Oh that's interesting
[22:31] <Sonny_Jim> Wifi go crashee crashee
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[22:33] <Sonny_Jim> What driver is it using?
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[23:16] <PigFlu> man
[23:17] <PigFlu> who said compiling code on the raspberry would take forever?
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[23:17] <PigFlu> i just compiled and ran my first multithreaded program to blink leds
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[23:18] <Amadiro> PigFlu, entirely depends on what language you are compiling and how much of it ;)
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[23:19] <PigFlu> i'm using C
[23:20] <Amadiro> well, C compiles pretty fast, particularly if you're using clang.
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[23:21] <linuxstb> PigFlu: For small apps, no problem. But try compiling anything a bit bigger and you'll soon lose patience.
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[23:29] <nerdboy> try compiling a kernel...
[23:29] <PigFlu> i wont need that
[23:30] <nerdboy> that might just approach forever...
[23:30] <fengshaun> and for anything bigger, there is cross-compiling
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> PigFlu: cool stuff
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[23:40] <Sonny_Jim> linuxstb: I compiled gnu-radio once, that took nearly a week
[23:40] <Sonny_Jim> I think MESS was about 3-4 days
[23:41] <I440r> anyone want to take a look at my arm forth? im not sure if it will run on a pi because ive been building it on a beagle board xm because i broke my pi
[23:41] <I440r> plus im building it for armv7 not armv6 (maybe just change make file?)
[23:41] <Jck_True> OpenCPN was 5-6 hours - Mostly down to the realtive slow SD card
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[23:43] <I440r> nobody interested in testing?
[23:43] <I440r> doh!
[23:45] <[Saint]> Sonny_Jim: eeeeek!
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[23:46] <[Saint]> I'm assuming you mean you're compiling on the pi itself, if so - why?
[23:46] <[Saint]> A modern desktop should be able to do that in a matter of minutes.
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[23:48] <I440r> saint i installed gentoo on my pi before i broke it, i had the pi doing ALL the builds but i used distcc to distribute it to two other powerful machines (total of 18 distributions). still took ages but it was "i did it!" lol
[23:48] <Sonny_Jim> It's not like I sat there and watched it....
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[23:48] <ShorTie> gentoo is a bed time thing
[23:49] <ShorTie> start your emerge and go to bed, lol.
[23:50] <[Saint]> Wouldn't it be faster to just do it in a qemu instance, package up the disk image, then transfer it over to a real pi?
[23:50] <[Saint]> Like, several orders of magnitude faster.
[23:50] <I440r> shortie actually the only problem areas were things like glibc and gcc. everything else emerged in no time flat
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> qemu is pretty murderously slow
[23:50] <Amadiro> [Saint], no need, you can just use something like distcc to make your main computer be the workhorse for the pi
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> A fast modern processor may not be faster than the pi
[23:50] <Amadiro> [Saint], so when it needs to compile or link something big, the main computer will do it, then send back the results
[23:50] <I440r> saint no. i dont trust qemu at all for compiling an entire gentoo distribution for running OUTSIDE of a qemu
[23:50] <I440r> way too many unimplemented system calls
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> ...
[23:51] <I440r> all you need is crossdev and distcc
[23:51] * SpeedEvil sighs at derpyness.
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[23:52] <[Saint]> SpeedEvil: its not really the processor that was my main concern, its the lack of RAM and the inevitable swapping itself to death that concerned me about compiling large projects on the pi.
[23:53] <[Saint]> well, that, and the terrible throughput rate.
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> Swapping to an external ramdrive may be sane.
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> I have in the past swapped over 802.11b to a ramdrive.
[23:53] <[Saint]> egads.
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> It was considerably faster than local swap.
[23:54] <[Saint]> I can't remember the last time I swapped.
[23:54] <[Saint]> My usual solution is to throw buckets of RAM at it.
[23:55] <[Saint]> RAM is so hilariously cheap now it doesn't make much sense to not max out your board.
[23:55] <Amadiro> well, I think reflowing a new ram package onto the raspberry pi will be quite a challenge, hehe
[23:55] <[Saint]> Just slightly. ;)
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[23:56] <SpeedEvil> I have looked at upgading the RAM on my phone.
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> But I couldn't get the parts.
[23:57] <Amadiro> So you're saying... You didn't have the parts?
[23:57] <Amadiro> (I enjoy making obscure Dr. Who references)
[23:57] <[Saint]> I reflowed a NAND on a Nano2G once.
[23:57] <[Saint]> Never. Again.
[23:57] <Helldesk> bga reflowing is challenging to put it lightly
[23:57] <Amadiro> Helldesk, and it's not just BGA, it's also PoP
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> - N900 - there is a package with 1G in the right formfactor - and a CPU upgrade at the same time was easy
[23:57] <Helldesk> yeah
[23:58] <Amadiro> so you'll have to be careful not to lift the lower package etc
[23:58] <Amadiro> (maybe you can glue it down first)
[23:58] <Helldesk> quality assurance without *very* specialty machinery is no-go
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> Helldesk: Well - yes and no.
[23:58] <Helldesk> well, sure, you can just see if it works
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> That.
[23:59] <Helldesk> but no idea if there are obvious bad connections (I have once taken a peek under a BGA with a thing made for that purpose)
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