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[13:53] * Set by ShiftPlusOne!~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone on Sun Aug 04 19:59:52 CEST 2013
[14:00] <PRC-1989> Well, the issue is very hard to describe, but here goes.
[14:01] <PRC-1989> Upon installation of raspbian from a NOOBS SD card, I've attempted to connect to the internet by using an ethernet cable to connect to my Lynksis router.
[14:01] <PRC-1989> But to my avail I was not able to ping any website or my router.
[14:01] <PRC-1989> The only thing I was able to ping was 127.0.0.1
[14:02] <PRC-1989> So, I searched google and the RasPi forums.
[14:02] <PRC-1989> The only offered solutions were all related to the etc/network/interfaces file.
[14:02] <PRC-1989> So I have edited the interfaces file to make sure the eth0 uses a static ip in the proper range.
[14:03] <PRC-1989> And configured it to the proper subnet mask and gateway.
[14:05] <PRC-1989> But, to my avail, every time I attempt to ping my router at the standard 192.168.1.1 address, I get a "Network is Unreachable" error.
[14:05] <Jusii> pastebin your etc/network/interfaces
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[14:05] <Jusii> what does ifconfig -a say
[14:05] <Jusii> what does route command say
[14:06] <PRC-1989> route -n says nothing.
[14:06] <PRC-1989> Haven't tried ifconfig -a, just ifconfig.
[14:06] <Jusii> does ifconfig then display info for eth0
[14:06] <PRC-1989> It does.
[14:06] <PRC-1989> It states it's UP
[14:07] <Jusii> -a displays all interfaces no matter if they are configured or not, ifconfig shows only configured interfaces
[14:07] <PRC-1989> but has no address or gateway or mask
[14:07] <PRC-1989> And here's what makes it weird:
[14:07] <Jusii> then your interfaces file may have the answer
[14:07] <Jusii> what about leds on the RPi
[14:07] <PRC-1989> If I type the ifdown eth0 command
[14:07] <Jusii> there's 3 leds for ethernet
[14:07] <PRC-1989> And then RIGHT AFTER THAT type ping 192.168.1.1
[14:07] <PRC-1989> IT PINGS MY ROUTER ONCE
[14:08] <PRC-1989> and then throws the network is unreachable error
[14:08] <Jusii> cable is good?
[14:08] <Jusii> but what about leds
[14:08] <PRC-1989> I changed 3 cables.
[14:08] <PRC-1989> Leds flash.
[14:08] <Jusii> FDX, LNK and 100 labeled
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[14:09] <Jusii> what does ifup eth0 do
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[14:09] <Jusii> pastebin your interfaces file, or even jpg might do if you don't have another linux machine which you can use to read the card
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[14:09] <PRC-1989> sometimes it says already configured
[14:10] <PRC-1989> sometimes it starts launching it and raspbian crashes
[14:10] <PRC-1989> sometimes it says no such device
[14:11] <PRC-1989> just a sec, I'll take a picture.
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[14:11] <PRC-1989> oh, another interesting thing
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[14:12] <PRC-1989> If I boot from a NOOBS SD (OS not yet installed) with the ethernet cable connected, and press the "online help" button, It manages to load appx. half of the raspberrypi website, and then the internet stops working.
[14:12] <PRC-1989> Until I reboot.
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[14:17] <PRC-1989> Jusii, what are the labels you are talking about?
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[14:22] <Jusii> PRi leds for ethernet
[14:22] <Jusii> RPi
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[14:23] <Jusii> try to get your interfaces file everybody to see, I'm sure someone will continue to help you. I have to go get my daughter from daycare
[14:23] <PRC-1989> Yeah, they all flash.
[14:24] <PRC-1989> OK, thanks Jusii.
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[14:32] <Redban> hi all. is there a way to use my laptop screen as display for Rpi? no ssh.
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[14:47] <Redban> anyone watching this stream?
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[14:52] <neilr> Redban: how are you connecting the pi to the laptop? You could probably use the laptop serial port to the pi GPIO pins as a serial console. Not tried it myself, but it's theoretically possible - I've used the GPIO pins for serial out to an LCD display before now for example.
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[14:55] <Redban> thanks neilr
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[14:59] <gordonDrogon> Redban, you can use VNC without ssh, but it needs an Ethernet connection (and you need to ssh in in the first place to run it, although I suspect you can start it from a startup script)
[15:01] <M4dH4TT3r> hello
[15:01] <M4dH4TT3r> anyone around?
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[15:01] <M4dH4TT3r> VNC been pissing me off all night
[15:02] <amigojapan> ok, I am first trying to learn OpenGL, so that I can then learn OpenGL ES, it seems like I need to study a lot
[15:02] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: what is wrong with VNC?
[15:02] <PRC-1989> Alright, here's my interfaces file
[15:02] <PRC-1989> http://pastebin.com/muKCd2W3
[15:03] <PRC-1989> Nothing out of the ordinary.
[15:03] <M4dH4TT3r> setup deb on rpi and VNC'ed into it after update/upgrade getting errors on both nix+win
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[15:03] <M4dH4TT3r> mostly
[15:04] <M4dH4TT3r> Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
[15:04] <M4dH4TT3r> or Connection refused (10061)
[15:05] <M4dH4TT3r> or Network error: Software caused connection abort
[15:05] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: sounds like you have an unstable internet connection
[15:05] <M4dH4TT3r> thats the thing its on the LAN!
[15:05] <M4dH4TT3r> pings just fine
[15:06] <amigojapan> ok... hmmm
[15:07] <M4dH4TT3r> tried vnc client, putty, x2go
[15:07] <M4dH4TT3r> and terminal
[15:07] <M4dH4TT3r> same on all, errors galore
[15:08] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: why did you decide to install debian instad of raspbian? (not that this has anything to do with the problem, sorry)
[15:08] <M4dH4TT3r> because raspbian sucks
[15:09] <M4dH4TT3r> fried my sdcard the other day
[15:09] <M4dH4TT3r> and Im used to deb
[15:10] <PRC-1989> How can an OS fry a card?
[15:10] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: as far as I udnerstand, debian cant perform floating point operations , and is forced to emulate them, or something like that
[15:11] <M4dH4TT3r> ran vnc after install then got fuckered after update
[15:12] <M4dH4TT3r> not reg deb but RPITC
[15:13] <amigojapan> yeah M4dH4TT3r , if your SD card truly fired, there is probably something wrong with your RPI, not the OS
[15:15] <M4dH4TT3r> no nothing wrong with pi other than software not written for shit
[15:15] <M4dH4TT3r> lots of forums of ppl with rasbian with same sdcard prob
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> amigojapan: That's not really true if the power was disconnected say.
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[15:15] <M4dH4TT3r> rasbian prob
[15:16] <M4dH4TT3r> if you look up error it was giving all people bitching are using raspbian
[15:16] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: then the SD card is not "fried" only teh data is corrupted
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[15:16] <M4dH4TT3r> no
[15:16] <neilr> Only time I've corrupted an SD card was with RISC OS. YMMV.
[15:17] <M4dH4TT3r> tried everything on the fucking thing def fried
[15:17] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: then it is unlikely to be a software problem, hwo could it happen?
[15:17] <amigojapan> SpeedEvil: that would still be a hardware problem IMO
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[15:18] <M4dH4TT3r> but regardless VNC is current prob
[15:18] <amigojapan> ok
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[15:18] <M4dH4TT3r> also could be software control of HW prob ;)
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[15:19] <M4dH4TT3r> tried everything on it from gparted to dd
[15:20] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: that seems pretty unlikely to me.... an SD card is basically a thing you tell it "write this 256 block of data" and it does it, or "read this 256 block of data" and it brings that data....
[15:20] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: so how do you know it was the OS?
[15:21] <M4dH4TT3r> ahh no you tell software and it runs whatever it was programmed to run
[15:21] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: there is no command you can give an SD card that will fry it
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[15:21] <M4dH4TT3r> unless command was written wrong
[15:22] <amigojapan> well M4dH4TT3r , I will let you continue with that idea, since I dont seem to be influencing your way of thinking, lets return to the VNC problem
[15:22] <M4dH4TT3r> ie ifconfig is what you send but ifconfig isnt what the eth0 recives
[15:23] <M4dH4TT3r> ok
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[15:30] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: not sure this will help, but which VNC server are you using x11vnc?
[15:31] <M4dH4TT3r> yes
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[15:32] <amigojapan> ok
[15:32] <M4dH4TT3r> tried tightvncserver too
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[15:33] <amigojapan> ok, well, x11vnc will serve yoru real desktop, while tightvncserver will start a new X for each session, but again, this is probably unrelated to your problem
[15:33] <jet> I'm trying to update my raspberry pi (with apt-get update), and I'm getting an error : Could not connect to mirrordirector.raspbian.org:80 (5.153.225.207). - connect (111: Connection refused)
[15:33] <jet> Is it normal that my raspberry pi tries to contact mirrordirector.raspbian.org ? If so I guess I have to wait until mirrordirector.raspbian.org is back up?
[15:35] <amigojapan> jet: is the internet working otehrwise?
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[15:35] <jet> yes, I'm using my raspberry at home, while I'm at work, and I can do ping google.com
[15:35] <jet> and ping mirrordirector.raspbian.org works from my raspberry
[15:35] <jet> I get 5.153.225.207
[15:36] <amigojapan> ok, sorry, I dont know what the problem is... maybe the service is down
[15:36] <jet> ok thanks :)
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[15:38] <M4dH4TT3r> any ideas amigo?
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[15:39] <amigojapan> nope M4dH4TT3r , the errors seem to be networking errors, thats all I know
[15:39] <amigojapan> M4dH4TT3r: does it work sometimes?
[15:39] <jet> it works again now :)
[15:39] <amigojapan> great jet
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[15:42] <M4dH4TT3r> worked fine before the update on the serv, is not a networking error either
[15:43] <M4dH4TT3r> I saw those forums too ;)
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[15:46] <PRC-1989> So, anyone able to help me with my problem?
[15:46] <PRC-1989> Could it be a RasPi defect?
[15:47] <PRC-1989> I can ping my router once, so it must be something software related, right?
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[16:08] <amigojapan> sorry, no idea PRC-1989
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[16:09] <PRC-1989> Tried installing Arch Linux
[16:09] <pwillard> if you are not getting an address in your ifconfig for eth0, you have a DHCP negotiation issue
[16:09] <PRC-1989> Same problem
[16:10] <PRC-1989> How do you solve that?
[16:10] <PRC-1989> I static IP doesn't help?
[16:10] <amigojapan> PRC-1989: if what pwillard is saying is the cause, try rebooting your router...
[16:10] <PRC-1989> Done that 10 times already
[16:10] <amigojapan> ok
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[16:11] <PRC-1989> Why does it manage to load half of the raspberry pi site in the NOOBS boot on a clean system?
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[16:11] <PRC-1989> Quite consistently
[16:11] <amigojapan> no idea
[16:11] <PRC-1989> Most importantly, is it a hardware or software issue?
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[16:12] <PRC-1989> If it was a software issue, using a different OS should have helped, right?
[16:12] <rigid> are there efforts to create an open component/hardware testing platform around the raspi anyone would know of?
[16:12] <amigojapan> PRC-1989: i think so yes
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[16:13] <PRC-1989> But Arch and Raspbian are based on the same stuff, so maybe not necessarily.
[16:13] <PRC-1989> I'm asking because I just got my Pi today, so maybe I should exchange it.
[16:13] <amigojapan> PRC-1989: if you can, do so
[16:13] <pwillard> I've done MANY builds, and DHCP works with no file tweaking...
[16:14] <PRC-1989> I mean, if it were a hardware issue, I would have not gotten ANY ping or connection EVER, right?
[16:14] <rigid> or rather, is there some "official" list of open projects around the raspi?
[16:14] <amigojapan> PRC-1989: hardware problems can be wierd like that
[16:14] <PRC-1989> But not so consistent!
[16:14] <PRC-1989> It would be erratic!
[16:15] <amigojapan> perhaps
[16:15] <PRC-1989> I am able to reproduce the ifdown eth0 ping 192.168.1.1 command with no big problems!
[16:15] <rigid> ah, http://elinux.org/RPi_Projects looks comprehensive
[16:15] <PRC-1989> And it will ping the router once, and then say the network is unreachable!
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[16:16] <PRC-1989> This is my first experience with linux and I want to shoot myself, is this normal?
[16:16] <amigojapan> ok, I am off to bed, see you guys tomorrow!
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[16:22] <cato> Hi, I have a 5V AC door bell signal, how do I connect this to a rpi gpio?
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[16:26] <rigid> http://www.raspberryprojects.com/ doesn't seem to be complete :-/
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[16:26] <rigid> cato: sure it's AC?
[16:26] <rigid> cato: or rather analog?
[16:27] <rigid> what does it look like?
[16:27] <cato> rigid: my multimeter said 5v when in ac mode and 0v in dc mode. it is an old-style thing with a real bell
[16:28] <rigid> hmm
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[16:28] <rigid> i have no real clue. i had to look at the signal on a scope.
[16:29] <rigid> I could imagine that it's a heavily distorted on signal when the bell is pressed.
[16:29] <rigid> you could try with a schmitt trigger+5->3.3V level converter if you don't have a scope
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[16:29] <IT_Sean> It would not surprise me if it was AC
[16:30] <IT_Sean> It probably relies on the signal being AC to pulse the bell's electromagnet doohicker
[16:30] <rigid> yeah... maybe 12V AC with lots of loss?
[16:30] <IT_Sean> Seen that before in older alarm bells
[16:31] <cato> something like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/DoorBell_001.jpg
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[16:31] <cato> but with just one coil I think
[16:31] <rigid> how would you detect such an AC signal most easily? tone decoder IC?
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[16:40] <pwillard> The doorbell button is usually in the low voltage side of an AC transformer.
[16:42] <cato> pwillard: yes, such a transformer is in the basement, but how to connect this to a rpi?
[16:42] <pwillard> to make it RING or to senze it being pressed?
[16:43] <cato> to sense it beeing pressed, sending mails or sth like that on the pi
[16:45] <pwillard> is the button lighted?
[16:46] <cato> no
[16:46] <cato> I have also just access to the bell, not the button as it is a larger building
[16:46] <pwillard> Then you can probably solve it with an optocoupler installation.
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[16:47] <cato> pwillard: are there optocouplers which accept ac and output dc?
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[16:48] <ppq> if it's only 5 V, you could build a simple full-wave-rectifier using four diodes (or old LEDs) and a capacitor you have lying around. cheap LEDs will easily endure -10 V (blue ones might be more sensitive though)
[16:48] <ppq> but that's just a dirty hack to avoid buying stuff
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[16:51] <pwillard> no need for rectification, do a quick test with a 1200 Ohm resistor and an LED across the wires that lead to the button. Should LIGHT, unless the button pressed. Switch over to an optocoupler (4N35 for example) and use the optocoupler output with a pullup resistor to 3.3V on the GPIO side (emitter to GND, collector to GPIO & pullup).
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[16:52] <pwillard> BAM... 3 parts...
[16:52] <rigid> you might need to do software debouncing then
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[16:53] <pwillard> If course, you need a high enough resistor on the LED side to make sure the circuit won't act CLOSED and trigger the bell.
[16:53] <rigid> completly forgot about optocouplers... that's best in this case i guess
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[18:43] <buser> How good does netflix work on raspberry pi without a computer to stream from over the network?
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[18:43] <buser> Which OS is preferrable? I'm pretty familiar with Arch, but it's not the easiest to set up properly.
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[18:44] <taza_> buser: Raspbian, by far
[18:44] <shiftplusone> I am not aware of netflix working on the pi
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[18:44] <shiftplusone> and I would say Raspbian as well, but without the "by far".
[18:45] <buser> Thanks, Debian seems nice. Do you guys think there might be streaming issues because of the processor? I mean, AppleTV only has a MINOR edge on that, and other components are a close match.
[18:45] <taza_> I mean, if you're familiar with Arch and know the idiosyncrasies of the RPi, then Arch away, but Raspbian is better supported
[18:46] <buser> taza_: Don't think I'll Arch away. It won't take long to get Debian to work properly as a little media center for me. :)
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[18:46] <buser> But thanks for the tips.
[18:46] <shiftplusone> forget netflix though
[18:46] <taza_> Getting Youtube to play on the RPi is an adventure sometimes.
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[18:46] <shiftplusone> and if all you want is a media centre, then openelec or raspbmc is the way to go.
[18:47] <IT_Sean> OpenELEC FTW
[18:47] <taza_> I also prefer OpenELEC
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[18:48] <gyeben> taza_: why is it an adventure sometime to get Youtube to play on the Pi?
[18:48] <taza_> Performance.
[18:48] <shiftplusone> because flash
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[18:48] <BeBored> whats better with OpenELEC?
[18:48] <shiftplusone> BeBored, better than what?
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[18:48] <BeBored> Better then raspbmc
[18:49] <shiftplusone> It does one thing and does it well.
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[18:49] <shiftplusone> RaspBMC can also be a general purpose OS, that doesn't work too well.
[18:50] <BeBored> never had a problem with raspbmc, so i was just curious :)
[18:50] <shiftplusone> yeah, it's mostly a matter of preference, I think.
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[18:51] <taza_> I've gotten shouted down for reporting a RaspBMC bug because they blamed upstream, where upstream was free of the bug and I could demonstrate the bug wasn't even where they said it was.
[18:51] <taza_> Haven't used it since
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[18:52] <shiftplusone> I had a nasty experience with RaspBMC fans as well, which may have tainted my view of it.
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[18:52] <buser> shiftplusone: Will OpenELEC be able to stream my netflix?
[18:53] <shiftplusone> buser, I don't think anything can, but I haven't looked into it lately
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[18:56] <gyeben> So, is it an adventure to make Youtube videos play without a flash player? Really?
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[18:56] <shiftplusone> depends on what you consider an adventure
[18:56] <taza_> Oh, it's not very hard.
[18:57] <taza_> Just, way harder than PCland
[18:57] <shiftplusone> if you're fine just using youtube-dl and omxplayer... very simple.
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[18:57] <taza_> You just need to make sure you're using html5 and having hardware decoding working
[18:57] <shiftplusone> if you want it to be supported in the browser or you want a client for it... then you'll depend on python coders. D=
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[18:58] <taza_> I've configured ALSA in Arch back when "ALSA" was a swearword, so it wasn't hard, but it was irritating
[18:59] <shiftplusone> heh
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[19:10] <Dutchy> do the raw images on http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads come with ssh and dhcp? I am not currently in possesion of an external monitor and i wish to boot and play with my new raspi
[19:10] <shiftplusone> Dutchy, raspbian and arch do (at least)
[19:11] <Dutchy> great, i wanted one of those :)
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[19:11] <Dutchy> when i get a new monitor i can always decide to try the others
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[19:17] <Dutchy> just to doublecheck, i have my raspi, a charger, a network cable, a raw image, an sd card (getting one in the store in a few mins), do i need anything else to start playing?
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[19:20] <shiftplusone> A fancy hat, but it's optional.
[19:21] <Dutchy> wait, how do i login to one of those images?
[19:21] <Dutchy> i might be able to acquire a fancy hat ;)
[19:21] <shiftplusone> the logins are on the download page
[19:21] <Dutchy> oh im blind, sorry :)
[19:21] <Dutchy> thanks!
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[19:57] <sqsq> suppose i have an sd card that rpi has corrupted (here's the log: http://bpaste.net/show/MjSGoia77V0Z6U4c8ra0/). and i have a linux liveusb and the image i've burned last
[19:57] <sqsq> is there a way to restore the bloody thing without burning the whole image and losing everything?
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[19:58] <IT_Sean> Do you hae a backup image of the SD card at any point?
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[19:59] <sqsq> nope i don't
[19:59] <IT_Sean> Then probably not.
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[20:00] <sqsq> but uhm... it's not like rpi destoryed every file? i can read the partition fine from windows
[20:00] <shiftplusone> 'course you can try testdisk and fsck, but it depends on how bad it is
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[20:00] <shiftplusone> at the very least, you should be able to get files off it
[20:00] <IT_Sean> If you can read it on your PC, you can get your files off, as shift has said, but, you will need to reimage the card to make it work again
[20:00] <sqsq> i already got /home, /etc and some stuff from /var
[20:01] <sqsq> but it's a pain reinstalling everything
[20:01] <sqsq> i have a lot of stuff i have to compile
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[20:01] <IT_Sean> Next time... keeps backups?
[20:01] <sqsq> no place for backups :<
[20:01] <IT_Sean> you can't backup an 8 gig SD card?
[20:01] <IT_Sean> really?
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[20:02] <sqsq> it's a 16 gig sd card, and i just can't spare that much space
[20:02] <Jusii> simple tar of the whole card would suffice also
[20:03] <shiftplusone> you don't really need the whole card, just a compressed tarball of what's on it
[20:03] <Jusii> and no room for 16GB in this day?
[20:03] <Jusii> really
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[20:04] <sqsq> Jusii: some keys on my keyboard do not work, my screen only works on brightess level 1 and cpu fan has been broken for months
[20:05] <sqsq> i tried hard but there's onlu around 2gb free on my hdd :<
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[20:06] <sqsq> is there a tutorial on this testdisk/fsck somewhere?
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[20:06] <shiftplusone> most certainly
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[20:08] <sqsq> i'll go with http://www.recantha.co.uk/blog/?p=1208
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[20:29] <ajt> SirLagz: shiftplusone: Thanks again for the help last night / this mornig. I really appreciate it.
[20:32] <shiftplusone> 'tis what we're here for.
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[20:36] <bartos> Has any one tried Volumio? pi music player. just installed it, slow updating db
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[21:17] <NothingMn> bartos how are you making out with it?
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[21:21] <djoot> hey guys, having trouble using the torrents to download the various images, does it work for other people?
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[21:23] <djoot> rtorrent says: Tracker: [Object operator [peers] could not find element
[21:24] <djoot> is there problems with the tracker?
[21:25] <NothingMn> seems to be working from here
[21:26] <NothingMn> 1.5MB/s so far
[21:26] <djoot> ok, thanks NothingMn maybe it's my torrent client then
[21:27] <NothingMn> settling around 3.2MB/s
[21:27] <NothingMn> using uTorrent 3.3.2
[21:27] <shiftplusone> >=/
[21:27] * shiftplusone 's connection never goes above 1.2 MB/s
[21:28] <NothingMn> pushing 3.7 now :)
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[21:29] <djoot> tracker might still be broken though, if you are using DHT for peer discovery?
[21:29] <shiftplusone> djoot, I'll check without DHT
[21:29] <NothingMn> DHT is enabled
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[21:30] <shiftplusone> no luck here
[21:31] <shiftplusone> actually, it says status ok
[21:31] <shiftplusone> "raspberrypi.org: Error: "
[21:31] <shiftplusone> not very helpful
[21:31] <djoot> heh
[21:31] <shiftplusone> But yeah, no peers
[21:31] <djoot> ok, thanks shiftplusone
[21:32] <shiftplusone> np
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[21:53] <bartos> NothingMn: just updating mpd, slow right now
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[22:11] <HoloPed> Is there a simple way to measure temp with the PI ?
[22:12] <shiftplusone> yup, and if you look it up you will find lots and lots of tutorials
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> Connect a webcam, and point it at a temperature sensor.
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> More seriously - there are many ways.
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-Temperature-Temp-Sensor-Thermal-Probe-DS18B20-For-Thermometer-Waterproof-/171212138068?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item27dd09e654 works well
[22:13] <shiftplusone> A DS18B20 and a resistor will do.
[22:14] <shiftplusone> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/temperature/
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[22:39] <platzhirsch> Suddenly when I access my webcam on my RPi the webcam turns on, off, on, off and then the network interface crashes on the RPi, only the red LED is on then... any idea how to debug this? Idon't see errenous output
[22:40] <shiftplusone> tp1-tp2 voltage?
[22:41] <IT_Sean> measure the voltage at TP1 & TP2 while accessing the webcam
[22:41] <platzhirsch> oh that may be the case. But why should that have changed from one day to the other?
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[22:42] <shiftplusone> By the logic that things don't change over time, your pi should be working fine now. I think there's a flaw in the premise.
[22:43] <platzhirsch> :)
[22:43] <platzhirsch> okay, gotta buy a multimeter
[22:44] <shiftplusone> (stupid thought I have any time someone says "How can <x> be broken!? it was working fine a few minutes ago!")
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[22:44] <shiftplusone> I mean... that's generally how things stop working! >_<
[22:44] <platzhirsch> shiftplusone: Definitely, I just hoped there are some cases where this is usually originating from
[22:45] <shiftplusone> changed the cable or anything recently?
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[22:45] <platzhirsch> no, it really just runs all the time, didn't even touch the software
[22:46] <shiftplusone> is the supply a cheap ebay one? The other alternative, if you have other usb devices with no powered hub, could be that your polyfuse has tripped.
[22:46] <shiftplusone> but if that were the case, it shouldn't restart that easily
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[22:47] <platzhirsch> I will try the USB power supply of my phone
[22:47] <shiftplusone> worth a shot
[22:47] <platzhirsch> it was some of Amazon, but surely cheap, too
[22:47] <rikkib> file system full?
[22:47] <rikkib> no disk space in other words
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[22:49] <platzhirsch> rikkib: thought that, too. But no, my app runs fine without the webcam and df -h reports plenty of space
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[22:51] <rikkib> Webcam running for over a year... http://122.61.65.146:8081
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[22:51] <platzhirsch> rikkib: using motion, too? :)
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[22:52] <rikkib> Yep... Motion on the RPi and motion of a x86 pc gateway
[22:52] <rikkib> Rpi uses nfs root
[22:53] <platzhirsch> okay, RPi works fine with my Phone Power Supply, so I guess the old one is broken
[22:54] <platzhirsch> rikkib: It's fun. I have built a Python and Android layer for Motion so I have my own Android security app receiving push notifications on motion detection
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[22:54] <natewalck> Awesome!
[22:54] <natewalck> I was hoping this channel existed :)
[22:54] <platzhirsch> IT_Sean, shiftplusone: And thanks for the hint at the power supply, thinking about it now it seems obvious that there was not enough voltage
[22:54] <IT_Sean> ja ja
[22:55] <rikkib> I use KCS NLA120050W1S Supplies
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[22:55] <shiftplusone> platzhirsch, all the classic symptoms of a power issue.
[22:55] <shiftplusone> natewalck, welcome, kind sir.
[22:55] <natewalck> shiftplusone: I just got the Camera Module for my pi, been having tons of fun with that
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[22:56] <shiftplusone> what... kind of fun?
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[22:56] <natewalck> typical things
[22:56] <natewalck> taking a picture every N minutes and uploading it to dropbox, etc
[22:57] <platzhirsch> Selfie-o-mat
[22:57] <shiftplusone> ah
[22:57] <natewalck> I plan to make a time lapse of the living room so I can make a video of our children destroying our house, us trying to clean it up and having them destroy it again :)
[22:57] <natewalck> should be funsies
[22:57] <shiftplusone> heh
[22:58] <platzhirsch> natewalck: and the cam is nice? Why use it over a webcam?
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[22:58] <natewalck> platzhirsch: oh, just for fun :)
[22:58] <natewalck> no reason to use it over a webcam, really
[22:58] <shiftplusone> platzhirsch, the cam talks directly to the GPU, which a USB webcam can't do.
[22:59] <natewalck> or there is and I didn't know it :)
[22:59] <platzhirsch> that makes sense
[22:59] <shiftplusone> so you can have HD x264 encoding and all that fun stuff.
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[22:59] <natewalck> I got the Cobbler from Adafruit too
[22:59] <natewalck> so I hope to get some sensors setup and maybe make a little game of some sort for the kids, idk :)
[22:59] <natewalck> all types of options
[22:59] <shiftplusone> and you can pass the output to opengl and do all kinds of processing there.
[23:00] <rikkib> I see E14 has a camera case now http://uk.farnell.com/camdenboss/cbrpc-car/enclosure-pi-camera-carbon-fibre/dp/2334485
[23:00] <natewalck> the quality is quire greak
[23:00] <natewalck> great*
[23:00] <natewalck> quite*
[23:00] <natewalck> I am really impressed with it
[23:03] <shiftplusone> And it's carbon fibre, so you can race with it.
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[23:03] <natewalck> shiftplusone: iirc, that adds at least 20hp
[23:04] <rikkib> carbon fiber finish
[23:04] <shiftplusone> that's right
[23:04] <rikkib> it is plastic I think
[23:04] <shiftplusone> nothing gets past you, ey? =P
[23:05] <rikkib> Mini rf generators
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[23:59] <pksato> http://apc.io/products/

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