#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-01-09

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[0:00] <espitz> and doom
[0:00] <NothingMn> of course doom
[0:00] <espitz> and probably quake openarena soon
[0:00] <espitz> if I can solve my overclocking issues
[0:00] <espitz> oddly... N64 sucks really bad
[0:01] <espitz> playstation is completely smooth, except for metal gear solid 2
[0:01] <espitz> but N64 has creaky sound and skips frames/lags
[0:01] <espitz> could be the emulator I guess
[0:03] <espitz> anyone know of any better emulators than mupen64?
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[0:06] <NothingMn> i have yet to setup emulators..i had all that setup on my HTPC..and never used it
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[0:07] <NothingMn> ive been thinking about creating a network of pi's (or maybe beaglebones)..for sensors in the home
[0:07] <NothingMn> motion, light, humidity, etc.. all reporting back to my HA system
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[0:24] <espitz> hmm
[0:25] <espitz> cant get this to work on my n network
[0:25] <espitz> what am I doing wrong?
[0:25] <espitz> latest raspbian
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[0:25] <espitz> I added this to /etc/network/interfaces:
[0:26] <espitz> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[0:26] <espitz> wpa-ssid XXX
[0:26] <espitz> wpa-psk XXXXXXXX
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[0:26] <espitz> works fine for G network... doesn't work at all for N network
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[0:30] <espitz> err... N network is using wpa2-psk.... maybe that's the problem
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[0:36] <espitz> nope
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[0:41] * KjetilK orders a model A with cam and goes to bed :-)
[0:41] <NothingMn_______> why a model A vs B?
[0:42] <stevarino> hey all, weird question: i have a 115VAC relay actuating a 5VDC relay. the 5VDC actuates on low. is there a way i can wire it up so that not only does the AC relay actuate the DC one, but also provide input to the pi of its status?
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[0:43] <stevarino> i was thinking something like have the pi input pin as the common on the 115V, DC relay as NO, and 3.3V as NC....?
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[0:55] <espitz> that would be a great question for gordonDrogon I think
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[1:08] <stevarino> espitz: thanks, when's gordonDrogon usually active? or is it hit and miss?
[1:08] <shiftplusone> usually active, but it's midnight where he is.
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[1:09] <stevarino> ah, thanks. :)
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[1:19] <espitz> yeah he's active, but he went off a couple hours ago to make bread or some such nonsense
[1:19] * NothingMn is now known as NothingMn_______
[1:20] <shiftplusone> nonsense!? The man is a bread wizard!
[1:20] <espitz> lol
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[1:23] <vinse> Hey all
[1:23] <vinse> Was wondering if it was possible to use the LEDs on the raspberry pi
[1:26] <shiftplusone> the ACT one
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[1:27] <vinse> That's the green one right shiftplusone?
[1:28] <shiftplusone> aye
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[1:30] <vinse> thanks!
[1:31] <shiftplusone> np. I am not sure how to get the kernel to stop using it for SD activity though
[1:31] <shiftplusone> I just know that it can be controlled from software and isn't hardwired for a specific purpose
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[2:14] <espitz> is there a command that will tell me the connection speed on wifi?
[2:14] <espitz> I finally got it on the wireless N network, but want to know if it's actually at 300Mbps
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> It's moderately unimportant.
[2:15] <espitz> never mid I figured it out
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[2:16] <espitz> iwconfig wlan0
[2:16] <SpeedEvil> As the USB likely limits the speed to a fair bit below that in most cases.
[2:17] <espitz> ?
[2:17] <espitz> isn't usb 2.0 like 480Mbps?
[2:19] <espitz> I would think the read/write speeds on the SD/HDD would be the limiting factor... but I'm still interested in knowing the connection speed
[2:19] <espitz> for file sharing/streaming purposes, I mean
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> The USB port is shared with everything.
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[2:21] <SpeedEvil> Well - not the SD
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[2:22] <SpeedEvil> It's also possibly questionable if the CPU can saturate it for more than trivial protocols.
[2:22] <espitz> I shall experiment... I really just wanted to make sure it wasn't at some low value
[2:22] <espitz> but i can see it's at 150Mbps with a decent signal strength, so all good there
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[2:25] <espitz> this command also gives you quality/signal/noise readings, which is nice: iwconfig wlan0 | grep -i --color quality
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[2:34] <Werel> So! I just placed my order for my Rasp Pi B :D
[2:36] <Kymru> Werel, first one, second, third, etc?
[2:36] <Werel> First one!
[2:37] <Kymru> you will have loads of fun with it, any ideas what you will use it for?
[2:37] <Werel> face tracking motor rig :P
[2:37] <Werel> but first off, just run a stable distro of the most accessable *nix flavour out there :P
[2:39] <Kymru> ok not really sure what that is i will look forward to reading about it sometime
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[2:43] <ShorTie> raspbian then
[2:43] <Kymru> i am in the middle of pricing up my Pi media centre, which will leave my one Pi with nothing to do
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[2:47] <Kymru> ShorTie, i would say Raspbian as well
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[3:46] <Werel> I'll keep Raspbian in mind :)
[3:48] <Werel> I'm curious if anyone knows, but can Minecraft Pi connect to PC servers, or is it it's own specific port like Pocket of xbox?
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[3:48] <shiftplusone> can't play on the same servers
[3:49] <Werel> k, thanks
[3:49] <NotJimCarrey> couldn't think of a better place to ask, but i have a portable dvd player with a 30 pin ribbon cable to the lcd board. anyone know how to find out which pin is what?
[3:50] <NotJimCarrey> the player itself has svideo & composite input
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[3:53] <Werel> I remember that distributions of Backtrack usually came with a recipie in each version. Anything Raspberry Pi does that's cute or fun or easter eggy?
[3:55] <shiftplusone> I haven't stumbled across anything
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[3:56] <NotJimCarrey> here's a pic of the board. http://www.notjimcarrey.com/lcd.jpg
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[3:56] <shiftplusone> NotJimCarrey, I don't think you'll have much luck, but try ##electronics
[3:56] <NotJimCarrey> thanks shiftplusone
[3:57] <shiftplusone> np
[3:57] <steve_rox> whats that lcd/board from?
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[3:57] <steve_rox> dvd player or something?
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[4:21] <b1101> anyone ever corss compile packages for the raspberry pi ? I want to do this correctly
[4:21] <shiftplusone> there's no "correctly" D=... there's works and doesn't.
[4:22] <b1101> there have to be some things that you HAVE TO do/change in order for it to work correctly
[4:23] <shiftplusone> but, you can look at cross linux from scratch for a basic idea of how it's done. But you get a cross-compiler toolchain, a rootfs to steal the libs from for dependencies, pass the right configure options and you're set
[4:25] <espitz> This is the closest I've seen, Werel: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Embed-a-Raspberry-Pi-into-your-eggbot/
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[4:29] <Werel> hm
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[4:32] <b1101> I'm on slackware, so my choice is either find a way to cross compile everything, compile on the pi(which is not happening), or change distros
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[4:44] <stevarino> is there any way to get the current status of an output pin from gpio besides "gpio readall"?
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[5:00] <espitz> gpio [-g] read <pin>
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[5:03] <espitz> @stevarino
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[5:06] <stevarino> espitz: ty
[5:06] <stevarino> espitz: did the trick
[5:06] <espitz> yw
[5:07] <espitz> does that mean you got a hold of gordonDrogon?
[5:07] <espitz> or you figured it out on your own?
[5:07] <stevarino> espitz: saving that fight for another day :)
[5:07] <espitz> haha
[5:07] <espitz> he is the author of wiringpi
[5:07] <stevarino> i might play around with it myself, check voltages
[5:07] <stevarino> ah
[5:08] <espitz> so I'm nearly certain he'll have the answer
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[5:09] <espitz> besides that, I'm pretty sure he's made of transistors and ICs and other such electronic components
[5:09] <stevarino> haha
[5:10] <stevarino> well i'm controlling my table lamp from across the room, life is good.
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[5:24] <espitz> congrats
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[5:46] <shawnbon206> yo
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[5:49] <shawnbon206> what does the raspberry pi foundation rasbian image install? does it have sshd?
[5:50] <shiftplusone> ssh is installed and enabled by default yes
[5:50] <shiftplusone> but lxde, java and a lot of other stuff you might not need or want.
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[5:52] <shawnbon206> shiftplusone: ever used pibang?
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[5:52] <shiftplusone> nope
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[5:53] <shawnbon206> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6gkqQRx3edyc0VjSU9yTkhrZW8&usp=sharing
[5:53] <shawnbon206> weeee
[5:53] <shawnbon206> my 2nd pi
[5:53] <shiftplusone> nice
[5:54] <shawnbon206> i had to mod the case
[5:54] <shawnbon206> i am a case modder now
[5:54] <shawnbon206> dremel and sand paper woo
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[5:57] <shiftplusone> got a microsd thing going on too I see
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[6:02] <projectdp> shawnbon206: cute
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[6:07] <shawnbon206> projectdp: thats like when your cat is sticking its tongue out and it doesnt know why you are laughing
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[6:09] <shawnbon206> http://www.winextra.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/cat_sticking_out_tongue.jpg
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[7:22] <projectdp> shawnbon206: heh what are you doing with your pi?
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[9:52] <wsmsg> any good packages / guides on getting the raspbery cam online via a webpage?... is there any php/cgi/something pages already made?
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[10:14] <Kemosabe> wsmsg: there is probably an html5 or flash app for it
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[10:15] <wsmsg> hehe, i was hoping to getting one recommended :) usually there is one "favourite" to these things
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[10:17] <hid3> Is RPi temperature of 51 *C normal for raspberry at idle?
[10:18] <Sudsey> :I
[10:18] <Sudsey> I don't think so
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[10:20] <AHammar> hid3, the one I have running right now is 47.6 in a rather cold room w/o overclocking
[10:21] <AHammar> So I think yours is ok
[10:24] <shiftplusone> hid3, yes, it's normal
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[11:08] <hid3> OK, thanks
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[11:26] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
[11:26] <amigojapan> hi, has anyone yet tried the synamic IP service called no-ip or do you know any good free dynamic ip services?
[11:27] <[Saint]> I use Dyn
[11:28] <FR^2> ho gordonDrogon
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[11:28] <amigojapan> [Saint]: dyndns ... I used to use it, recently I cant find the free registration button, and I hate that you need to reregister every so often
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[11:28] <[Saint]> 2 free hostnames with the minor caveat of needing to sign in to their webpage once a month to keep it alive.
[11:28] <FR^2> I'm planning to run a nameserver on my root server, until then I'm using dyn.com
[11:29] <amigojapan> [Saint]: that is not minor to me
[11:29] <AHammar> amigojapan, duckdns is completely free
[11:29] <amigojapan> thanks AHammar
[11:30] <[Saint]> well they had vast swathes of people signing up for hostnames, using them once, or not at all, and then disappearing.
[11:30] <Sudsey> amigojapan: I use no-ip
[11:30] <Sudsey> it's pretty good
[11:30] <amigojapan> Sudsey: thanks
[11:31] <[Saint]> So it does make sense to have a proof of life login if you ask me. It keeps hostnames clear for future users once it ceases being used.
[11:31] <amigojapan> ok, so I see I have the options of afraid.org duckdns and no-pi ....
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[11:32] <amigojapan> [Saint]: it means more phisical work for us
[11:32] <[Saint]> I dont think it too much responsibility to log into a service once a month and then log out immediately personally.
[11:32] <amigojapan> [Saint]: why do it when you can get it with no effort on another service?
[11:33] <[Saint]> Because in my experience those other services are flaky.
[11:33] <Sudsey> I know it's once every couple months no-ip send you a reminder if you're using a free service to basically just go on their website and click a button
[11:33] <Sudsey> it's for the same reason that saint said
[11:33] <[Saint]> Dyn is massive and hasn't let me down once.
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[11:33] <amigojapan> Sudsey: ok, I will not use no-ip then, I want one with 0 effort
[11:34] <Sudsey> alright
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[11:34] <Sudsey> I don't have much experience with these things, though, but I can say that no-ip is pretty good
[11:35] <[Saint]> you could probably even automate that of you were clever enough.
[11:35] <[Saint]> (the login/proof of life)
[11:36] <amigojapan> hmmm, I will probably use both afraid.org and duckdns, I dont see why I cant use 2 at once.... just in case one goes down
[11:36] <Sudsey> meh, it'd probably just take less effort to go and update it, and automating it would defeat the purpose, imo
[11:37] <Sudsey> heh
[11:37] <amigojapan> duckdns seems to be easier cause I dont need to register, just use my facebook account apparently(but do I want my identity tracable...?)
[11:37] <Sudsey> better make sure those internet trolls don't come round and firebomb your house
[11:38] <[Saint]> it likely is already...
[11:38] <amigojapan> I have had death threats several times, especially from religious channels
[11:38] <[Saint]> NSA knows which way you wipe, lol.
[11:38] <[Saint]> Scrunch or fold.
[11:38] <[Saint]> They know. :)
[11:38] <Sudsey> amigojapan: wat xD'
[11:38] <Sudsey> I fold
[11:38] <Sudsey> you?
[11:38] <amigojapan> Sudsey: yeah, I have had troubles with muslims and christians
[11:39] <Sudsey> KEEL U FER JUSES
[11:39] <amigojapan> probably muslims have been more problematic
[11:39] <Sudsey> FER ALLEH
[11:39] <Sudsey> xD
[11:39] <amigojapan> :)
[11:39] <[Saint]> trolls come in all races.
[11:40] <amigojapan> [Saint]: they are usually not as strong when it does not go against their religion....
[11:40] <[Saint]> I just dont even read youtube comments. ever.
[11:40] <amigojapan> I have yet to see a death threat against someone for using vi over emacs :)
[11:40] <shiftplusone> wrong channel, folks
[11:40] <amigojapan> ok shiftplusone
[11:41] <Sudsey> [Saint]: stone-trolls, hill-trolls, cave-trolls, mountain-trolls, and snow-trolls?
[11:41] <Sudsey> thanks for google's search results for 'types of trolls'
[11:41] <Sudsey> thanks to*
[11:41] <[Saint]> you forgot internet-trolls.
[11:41] <[Saint]> :)
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[11:42] <Sudsey> those too
[11:42] <Sudsey> and bridge-trolls
[11:42] <amigojapan> I dont know if they are trolls, but also help-vampires are pretty annoying
[11:42] <Sudsey> >:I
[11:43] <Sudsey> I need to think of a non-compulsive sounding way to bring up the fact that it's nagging me that I didn't put a smiley after "you?" xD
[11:43] <amigojapan> probably help-vampires are not trolls though
[11:43] <Sudsey> that should do nicely
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[11:43] <Sudsey> meh, back to watching teh yugiohz
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[13:09] <Chetic> anybody know an altimeter that handles 30km besides MPL115A2?
[13:09] <Chetic> preferably i2c
[13:11] <chris_99> whats it for? could you use GPS?
[13:12] <Chetic> I dunno what's the altitude accuracy on a ublox-6 gps?
[13:12] <Chetic> I just wanna know what altitude I'm at
[13:12] <chris_99> on a plane?
[13:12] <Chetic> on a balloon
[13:13] <chris_99> ask the folks in ##highalitude, they do it all the time
[13:13] <chris_99> with a GPS
[13:13] <Chetic> oh god, I thought I was there lol
[13:13] <chris_99> heh
[13:13] <Chetic> thanks though, that would be a good tip :p
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[13:47] <amigojapan> well, I have finished setting up duckdns.... but I still cant log into my pi.... I think it may be propagating the ip thru DNS, I had a simillar experience with dyndns when I had just set it up
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[15:04] <amigojapan> hmmm, my duckdns is still not giving me access.... it has been a while.... the IP address seems to be ok
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[15:37] <amigojapan> ah ok, I did not know propagation can take up to 48 hours....
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[15:39] <nid0> usually it doesnt
[15:39] <nid0> depends on 1) the ttl of the record you're updating and 2) your ISP
[15:39] <nid0> 6 hours is the norm though
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[15:44] <uid69> hello
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[15:52] <amigojapan> nid0: someone is helping me out in ##networking funny how nslookup seems to report the correct IP..... but then it times out
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[16:31] <amigojapan> nid0: yeah, it seems to be solved... probably was a propagation problem.... here is one of my web apps that I used to run on my linux box now running on my pi http://amigojapan.duckdns.org/ajd/ajd.html
[16:35] <amigojapan> next I will need to test it after the IP address change.... I guess I will need to reset my router for that to happen
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[16:40] <uid69> I did something cheesey to help with IP address changes.. the pi pings a php script on a hosted site of mine every hour. the php writes out a log that shows that the pi is online and waht it current ip is. I added a cron job to call that script upon startup with a different value to indicate restarts.. if my pi is ever down, i can look at the hosted site from anywhere in the world and see if it's online and what it's ip is..
[16:42] <IT_Sean> Why wouldn't you either A) put it on a fixed IP, or B) use a dynamic dns service?
[16:42] <amigojapan> uid69: nice, but why not use duckdns?
[16:42] <amigojapan> IT_Sean: presumably for the experience
[16:44] <uid69> For fun. Not relying on an outside source and I learned something from doing it at the time.
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[16:46] <uid69> the IP rarely changes.
[16:46] <Phosie> Woo
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[16:46] <uid69> Then when it does - I just go change a DNS setting.
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[16:52] <uid69> as to why I'm not using a dynamic service - I'm using a subdomain of a site that I'm paying for hosting for. There focus is hosting - they don't offer much in terms of dns settings.
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[17:05] <nid0> next step then, learn how to automate the process of taking the pi's ip and updating your DNS!
[17:06] <defswork> nid0, I just have a cronjob that sshes on to my name server and runs a script
[17:06] <ppq> curl http://wtfismyip.com/text
[17:06] <ppq> :)
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[17:06] <nid0> uid69 will probably have to do a bit more than that if he's using shared hosting
[17:08] <amigojapan> uid69: I thought of it, like posting my current IP address to a service like gist.... but I think actual dynamic dns is more practical
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[17:22] <uid69> even something silly clike POP3ing to gmail could act as a means of seeing your IP while away from home without a means of touching the box.
[17:22] <v0lt_> Hello
[17:22] <uid69> I think gmail shows recent access.. if your pi were to change, you could check your gmail account settings.
[17:23] <uid69> hello v0lt_
[17:24] <IT_Sean> POP is for the feeble. IMAP is where it's at, yo!
[17:24] <uid69> Both are dinosaurs :-)
[17:25] <IT_Sean> Got an alternative?
[17:25] <amigojapan> any suggestiong as to a good IRC bot that might run on the PI? I just need it to automatically rejoin when it drops off.... on my linux computer i was running eggdrop. but I think that it may be too heavy for the pi
[17:26] <v0lt_> how can i see the difference between a version 1.0 and version 2.0 (raspberry model B 512)
[17:26] <v0lt_> Thanks
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[17:30] <uid69> v0lt_: different amount of ram
[17:30] <chunkyhead> i have a ps/2 to usb adapter for my keyboard, which when used on a laptop works fine, on the other hand when i connect it to my rpi it doesn't. why so?
[17:30] <chunkyhead> although the LEDs do glow and then turn off, then it doesn't work
[17:31] <uid69> IT_Sean: facebook messenger alone has likely taken a chunk from email. It works soo much better.. only downside.. it's facebook.
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[17:32] <IT_Sean> chunkyhead: a USB device that provides PS2 ports?
[17:32] <IT_Sean> It's probably requires more powah than the raspi can provide. try a powered hub.
[17:32] <chunkyhead> any way to 'over power' rpi?
[17:32] <IT_Sean> to do what?
[17:33] <chunkyhead> to support my ps/2 keyboard :P
[17:33] <IT_Sean> No, you need a powered hub
[17:33] <IT_Sean> or a different (usb) keyboard.
[17:33] <Encrypt> <IT_Sean> No, you need a powered hub // +1
[17:33] <Nilz> <Encrypt> <IT_Sean> No, you need a powered hub // +2
[17:33] <Nilz> ;)
[17:34] <chunkyhead> had i known this i wouldn't have ordered an adapter..
[17:34] <v0lt_> uid69 : ah ok
[17:35] <zproc> hello
[17:36] <v0lt_> can you also find it back on the motherboard or not?
[17:36] <uid69> chunkyhead: you can likely plug your adaptor into a hub.
[17:37] <IT_Sean> you can use a powered usb hub, chunkyhead.
[17:37] <zproc> I followed a tutorial to move my filesystem from the sdcard to an usb flash drive but I got this problem http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=481851#p481851 the tutorial i followed is on the first post, i rsync'ed the file but somehow the partitions on the flash drive are not alright, any way I can fix this? i tried booting back up on the sdcard by getting back my old cmdline.txt but I don't know why it hangs up at mounti
[17:37] <zproc> mmcblk0 something
[17:37] <uid69> v0lt_: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=20255
[17:37] <uid69> v0lt_: Model A has no ethernet port and no USB hub. Just one USB port. It also has 256 Mb RAM
[17:37] <uid69> Model B has ethernet, two USB port hub and 512 Mb RAM
[17:38] <uid69> Why do you ask?
[17:38] <chunkyhead> yes but for that i need to buy a hub lol
[17:39] <IT_Sean> well, either way, you are going to have to buy something. Either a USB keyboard, or a powered hub. Your choice.
[17:39] <chunkyhead> yea
[17:39] <chunkyhead> or i can vnc..
[17:39] <IT_Sean> ... and chunkyhead, if you get a keyboard, get a basic one... don't get one with a load of flashing lights and crap on it.
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[17:40] <chunkyhead> yes i understand, power problems..
[17:40] <chunkyhead> btw does vnc work with berry boot?
[17:40] <IT_Sean> it's not a "problem", it is a design limitation.
[17:40] <v0lt_> because i want to buy a raspberrypi from someone, i want to be sure that it is a B model..
[17:41] <chunkyhead> v0lt_: just see it has ethernet port and 2 usbs
[17:41] <uid69> cool. look up some pics and familiarize yourself with them
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[17:42] <v0lt_> okay, thanks
[17:42] <uid69> v0lt_: good luck. hope you get it at a good price
[17:42] <uid69> v0lt_: the ethernet port is the biggest indicator of it being a B
[17:42] <IT_Sean> That and the 2 USB ports.
[17:42] <espitz> o/
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[17:45] <uid69> wonder if a model C will be coming out eventually?
[17:46] <IT_Sean> There are no plans at this time for a revision to the RaspberryPi
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[17:46] <espitz> reading up and had a question: A PS2 keyboard should only be drawing 200mA-300mA... why doesnt it work on a pi USB port?
[17:46] <uid69> what would you like to see in a 'model c' in the future?
[17:46] <espitz> I'd like to see an ARM Cortex A9 chip... lol
[17:47] <IT_Sean> EspenN: the adapter he is using is probably drawing more than that.
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[17:47] <IT_Sean> err espitz, rather. ^
[17:47] <espitz> perhaps
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[17:48] <espitz> granted they cost more, but all of the other mini pcs on the market are running A8 and A9 CPUs, some with 2 and 4 cores
[17:48] <espitz> I shouldnt say "all" I suppose, just all released within the last year or so
[17:49] <IT_Sean> It's a cost question. It would be of no benefit to the goals of the foundation to fit a more powerful SoC. The cost ot redesign the board from the ground up would make it not worth it.
[17:49] <espitz> I understand where you're coming from, but that's a bit silly
[17:49] <IT_Sean> how is that a bit silly?
[17:49] <espitz> if they sell a "Model C" that has no value for the educational side, they'll still make money to give out As and Bs
[17:49] <uid69> I'd like to see built in wifi but it isn't a thing every pi user would need or use.
[17:50] <espitz> I mean their current goals are very narrow
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[17:50] <espitz> we only build what's useful for the charitable side
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[17:51] <IT_Sean> That's generally how a non profit charitable orginization works, espitz
[17:51] <espitz> honestly, I wonder how many Bs they're gifting/selling for education purposes... probably not that many compared to As
[17:51] <espitz> that's not true at all
[17:51] <uid69> I would imagine B is getting around education just as much.
[17:51] <IT_Sean> The Model A is predominately for the edu market. The Model B is designed for Devs.
[17:51] <IT_Sean> That is why the B came out first... to give devs a leg up.
[17:51] <espitz> charities raise money for their charitable activites - there's really no method that all use
[17:52] <steev> hey all, i'm trying to build an image here myself, using the rpi kernel and firmware, but, i get the following - it mounts the root file system, and then... http://bpaste.net/show/xWVuzL8P3sfpjC8tOgEn/ - in my searches, things point to: root isn't actually mounted (it seems to be here), root is corrupt (doesn't seem to be, and fsck reports it as clean) -
[17:52] <steev> this occurs whether i use the rpi kernel.img (as seen in that commit) or i generate my own kernel.img
[17:52] <espitz> making money is making money
[17:52] <Nefarious___> ^ +1
[17:52] <johnc-> engineering a new model and setting up production for it would be expensive
[17:52] <espitz> it only matters what you do with the money, not how you collect it
[17:52] <johnc-> there's a lot of costs involved in these types of enterprises, it's not as simple as you make it out to be
[17:53] <uid69> most B owners would instantly upgrade
[17:53] <johnc-> no, YOU would
[17:53] <johnc-> you != most
[17:53] <espitz> I'm not saying there's not cost involved... nor did I imply it
[17:53] <IT_Sean> You can't just whack a new SoC in there. It would be a ground up redesign of the board. Not to mention all of the certifications.
[17:53] <espitz> it's simple*
[17:53] <IT_Sean> it is NOT simple.
[17:53] <ppq> i'd like a model c to be able to act as a (programmable, or even just mass storage) usb device when it's connected to a computer
[17:54] <johnc-> I would love an improved version of the rpi
[17:54] <IT_Sean> ppq: you just described an Arduino
[17:54] <espitz> that was one comment, broken by a erroneous enter stroke: "nor did I imply it's simple"
[17:54] <johnc-> but I think it's the job of another company to improve on what rpi already has
[17:54] <espitz> they decided to make the B and sell it... and it didn't take them that long
[17:55] <IT_Sean> actually, the Model B was years in development.
[17:55] <IT_Sean> They didn't "just decide to make it one day and *poof*"
[17:55] <uid69> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs#performanceBlend <-- i also want model C to be not-blendable.
[17:56] <espitz> a few years is not that long...
[17:56] <espitz> stop putting words in my mouth
[17:56] <espitz> I never said a day and poof
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[17:57] <johnc-> I'd love to have a pi with a nvidia tegra chip, mmm
[17:57] <johnc-> nvidia, make it so!
[17:58] * IT_Sean wanders off
[17:58] <espitz> it's simple, if they build a more powerful model C, I'll buy it. I'm sure others would too. It took them 1 year to sell a million Model As. It took them 9 months to sell 1 million more (As and Bs)
[17:58] <steev> johnc-: tegra chips run a bit too hot for that
[17:58] <espitz> you really don't think they could sell several hundred thousand "Model Cs"?
[17:58] <espitz> within the first year of availability?
[17:59] <Nefarious___> They would sell loads
[17:59] <johnc-> there is no shortage of competitors to the rpi that have more power and ram
[17:59] <johnc-> buy one of those?
[17:59] <espitz> I'm considering it already
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[18:00] <johnc-> steev: if my phone can manage to keep it cool I'm sure a shield or something could I guess, I just want my Note 2 in rpi form :P
[18:01] <espitz> once they're are some fully working nix builds for the TimingPower RK3188, that's probably what I'll buy
[18:01] <espitz> there*
[18:01] <steev> johnc-: take the case off it ;)
[18:01] <steev> good luck with that, rockchip kernels are turrible
[18:02] <espitz> please elaborate... from what I can tell, there hasnt been a ton of success getting anything to run on them except Jelly Bean
[18:02] <espitz> that doesn't equal hardware issue though
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[18:03] <Nefarious___> johnc-: have you seen the tegra note 7?
[18:03] <espitz> that seems to be the case with most of the ARMs when they're new
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[18:03] <johnc-> Nefarious___: nop
[18:03] <espitz> takes a while for people smarter than I to figure out the quirks and work around them
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[18:03] <Nefarious___> johnc-: beats the Note 3 on benchmarks for around $200
[18:04] <steev> it's not about figuring out the quirks, it's about going through the kernel and undoing all the various hacks that rockchip and other manufacturers have added to them. their kernels are very.... special
[18:04] <steev> like little yellow bus special
[18:04] <espitz> lol
[18:04] <espitz> well again, ONCE there's some fully working builds I would buy one - not until
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[18:05] <steev> beaglebone black works fully, cubieboard2 works decently (no nand)
[18:05] <espitz> but virtually every mini pc out there is leaps and bounds ahead of the rpi in terms of performance
[18:06] <steev> the rpi isn't about performance though
[18:06] <espitz> performance may be a bad term to use.... let's try raw processing power
[18:06] <IT_Sean> that s because the raspi isn't about performance. it is about cheap, accessable computing
[18:06] <espitz> my point, IT_Sean, is it doesn't have to be that way. This is why I said the foundation is being narrow
[18:07] <espitz> the A can be cheap accessible computing
[18:07] <steev> IT_Sean: well, i think that an rpi at $25 USD should rival the processing power of my quad core i7 with 16gb ram and 256gb ssd /s
[18:07] <johnc-> aren't the rpi specs public? you think it's narrow, you take it and do what you want better
[18:07] <johnc-> that's kinda the point, I thought
[18:07] <espitz> you guys are great at manipulating people's arguments
[18:07] <espitz> we were talking about the future PI if there ever is one - remember?
[18:08] * IT_Sean has had enough blind idiocy for a while, and goes off to get some lunch
[18:08] <steev> the /s there at the end was supposed to mean /sarcasm
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[18:08] <espitz> yes I got your sarcasm
[18:08] <steev> espitz: why are we discussing it?
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[18:09] <espitz> because someone said what do you want to see in a RPi Model C (if there is one).
[18:09] <steev> ahh
[18:09] <espitz> I suggested a better ARM
[18:09] <espitz> and this argument commenced about difficulty to build and design and costs...
[18:09] <steev> if someone asked then, yeah, that makes sense, so not sure why the rest of the conversation came up
[18:09] <steev> in good news, a model c couldn't really get any worse?
[18:10] <johnc-> it's not really the foundation's place to make a model C
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[18:10] <johnc-> but since, I think, the platform is open, another company can
[18:10] <espitz> so it was their place to make a model B?
[18:10] <steev> why isn't it their place? you keep iterating, you don't make one decent board and stop
[18:10] <espitz> but not a C?
[18:11] <espitz> I dont understand why not
[18:11] <johnc-> because at this point it's a lot of expense that gets them little gain
[18:11] <johnc-> they aren't in it for profit
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[18:11] <espitz> that's only partially true
[18:11] <johnc-> if a model C furthered their educational reach then they'd probably do it
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[18:11] <johnc-> but they have the reach and public image they need
[18:11] <espitz> they do need to make money to remain a charitable foundation
[18:12] <johnc-> and the model B does fine for that
[18:12] <espitz> whether by donations or sales or whatever
[18:12] <espitz> it's not "profit" in the capitalist sense, but they do need to bring in more money than they spend to keep going
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[18:13] <espitz> and sales of Rpis (for now) seem to be how they're going about that
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[18:13] <espitz> when it comes to a computer - you cant keep selling the same technology for a decade
[18:13] <espitz> that wont work
[18:14] <espitz> sales will stagnate
[18:14] <johnc-> expansion now doesn't give them any benefit
[18:14] <johnc-> the model B is popular and cheap
[18:15] <espitz> I might agree with that
[18:15] <johnc-> mostly it's popular because it's cheap
[18:15] <espitz> but we're talking about the future
[18:15] <J_Darnley> If you want a more powerful, low-power device consider a router you can put dd-wrt or openwrt on
[18:15] <J_Darnley> The top end ASUS, and others, are now touting a dual core ARM
[18:16] <espitz> I do like ASUS
[18:16] <johnc-> I would expect the foundation to run the model A and B for a long time to come, until something comes that can out shine it at the same price point they have no reason to expand
[18:16] <espitz> but I also like the Rpi design, and I'd just like to have one with more processing power
[18:16] <espitz> it's that simple
[18:16] <espitz> that's what I want to see next from RPI
[18:17] <espitz> it's inevitable anyways.... you think ARM 7 chips will continue to be made for the next 5-10 years? hell no
[18:17] <espitz> manufacturers are already 2 generations ahead of that
[18:18] <Encrypt> <espitz> that's what I want to see next from RPI // Do it then :]
[18:18] <espitz> why would they continue to make the older ones?
[18:18] <J_Darnley> Because people buy them?
[18:18] <Encrypt> Best argument ever :p
[18:18] <J_Darnley> Yeah, circular, sorry
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[18:18] <Encrypt> But that's also a stable and well-known technology I think
[18:19] <espitz> people also buy the latest generation of ARMs
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[18:19] <johnc-> latest generation of ARMs isn't the rpi market though
[18:20] <espitz> if a manufacturer has to choose between making old chips and new chips - given the lmimited ability to output chips - they're eventually going to stop making old ones when the demand for newer ones is high
[18:20] <johnc-> frankly, rpi couldn't compete in that market
[18:21] <espitz> I don't know if that's true - but maybe you're right
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[18:21] <espitz> I honestly dont know what it would cost to make a RPi model that had a better chip set... but the others out there are selling for $60-$100
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[18:22] <johnc-> it's not like the foundation even has access to much in the way of manufacturing processes
[18:22] <johnc-> it had a hard time getting enough model Bs shipped in the early days
[18:23] <espitz> well, they're not really manufacturing them
[18:23] <espitz> they're made by manufacturers in the UK and China by: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5265
[18:24] <espitz> not sure who, but not sure that's relevant either
[18:24] <Encrypt> By the way, I imagine that the ARM7 chips have a different architecture....
[18:25] <espitz> I'm sure they do
[18:25] <Encrypt> Which would require to re-think the electronic circuit of teh Raspberry Pi
[18:25] <espitz> indeed
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[18:25] <johnc-> you mean I can't just pull the chip out and slap another one in there? boo!
[18:25] <espitz> so whatever they do in the future has to use the exact same PCB layout?
[18:25] <johnc-> why isn't the foundation considering plug and play ability?!
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[18:25] <Encrypt> Troll spotted! :p
[18:26] <uid69> plug and play would cost a few
[18:26] <uid69> that would be neato
[18:26] <johnc-> hehe
[18:26] <espitz> that would be neat
[18:26] <espitz> but I would think Intel will be the first to breach that barrier
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[18:27] <espitz> they're not terribly far off with the NUC
[18:27] <espitz> memory is swappable already
[18:28] <espitz> and you know they're a fan of socket CPUs
[18:28] <espitz> of course a NUC will never be under $50
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[18:28] <hid3> I have my system running off USB external drive. However, when I copy files from one disk location to another, during the copying, the speed drops down to 1.5 MB/s or less. What might be the problem with this?
[18:29] <johnc-> what are you copying to?
[18:29] <espitz> and what file system(s) are you using?
[18:29] <ppq> i recently bought a NUC with i3-3217U. no ethernet, unfortunately. but only 135€
[18:30] <espitz> ppq: those look really neat
[18:30] <espitz> ppq: and seem pretty powerful for a 10x10" board
[18:30] <johnc-> if you're copying to a destination that's connected via USB or ethernet you're bottlenecked by the rpi's usb bus
[18:30] <Encrypt> espitz, Imagine future swapping ability in electronics is not that easy
[18:30] <johnc-> if you're copying to the SD card, you're bottlenecked by that
[18:30] <espitz> and if your using NTFS, you may be bottlenecked by the CPU utilization
[18:31] <Encrypt> And most of the time, wires are added / removed and signals are changes between the components
[18:31] <Encrypt> changed*
[18:32] <hid3> johnc-: usually *.wav or *.flac files
[18:32] <hid3> espitz: it's XFS
[18:32] <johnc-> hid3: erm, ok
[18:32] <johnc-> I don't recall asking for the file types?
[18:32] <hid3> oh, sorry, misunderstood the question
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[18:33] <hid3> I'm actually copying the files from one directory on the disk, to another one, on the same disk
[18:33] <espitz> Encrypt: what about Socket 7, super socket 7, Socket 8, Socket A, Socket T, Socket F, Socket G1
[18:33] <espitz> the idea of swappable CPUs is not new
[18:33] <johnc-> hid3: you're reading and writing on the same USB at the same time, the pi is bottlenecked on the usb bus
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[18:33] <espitz> Intel and AMD have been doing that since the mid 90's
[18:34] <Encrypt> Yes
[18:34] <hid3> Any ideas why it *sometimes* drops the speed to that low? Maybe I can solve that in some way?
[18:34] <hid3> e.g. increasing some buffers, etc..
[18:34] <Encrypt> However, you won't be able to put an AM3 CPU on an AM2 socket
[18:34] <espitz> agreed
[18:34] <johnc-> there's nothing you can do hid3 really
[18:35] <johnc-> it may be reading at slower/faster speeds depending on things like filesize (continuous bytes) etc.
[18:35] <johnc-> when reading faster you'll be writing slower
[18:35] <espitz> but having the option to choose from 3-5 different ARM v8 SoCs (or whatever it is) is a way to use one baord and have several price points
[18:35] <johnc-> it'll balance out at some point, but it'll usually be slow because the usb bus on pi is slow
[18:36] <johnc-> Encrypt: I'm sorry I even said plug and play as a joke
[18:36] <hid3> yeah, but what I am expecting is something like constant say 5 MB/s copy speed, instead of starting at 12 MB/s, then dropping to 5, then down to 1, then rising back to 3-4...
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[18:36] <espitz> It could happen some day... sorry you see it as a joke.
[18:36] <hid3> and this is for *one file*, not fur bunch of files
[18:36] <Encrypt> johnc-, I thought so :p
[18:36] <hid3> e.g. one *.flac file, not an entire directory
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[18:37] <espitz> so what would you have johnc- a Pi model B forever?
[18:37] <espitz> dont get why your opposed to advancement of the device
[18:38] <espitz> you're*
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[18:40] <johnc-> I'm not opposed to the advancement, I think I've said multiple times I'd like a higher performance rpi device but that I don't think it's the foundations role to provide it
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[18:41] <espitz> apologies, I guess I've inadvertently lumped you in with the others that were fixed on "cost"
[18:43] <espitz> ... which is mildly amusing considering most of them bought the more expensive model B
[18:43] <espitz> anyway
[18:43] <espitz> I suppose I'll shut up now
[18:43] <hid3> At what temperature RPi can hang up? Mine's not overclocked but sometimes I see 55-57 *C
[18:44] <espitz> that's well witihin the limits of the hardware
[18:45] <hid3> It was hung up a few times, wonder if that might be because of the temperature...
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[18:46] <espitz> I believe 85C is the published "safe" limit
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[18:49] <hid3> wow
[18:49] <hid3> that's a lot probably
[18:51] <v0lt_> is 4GB is enough?, or do you need (8 or 16 GB) for the raspberry pi?
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[18:52] <espitz> depends on what you're doing with it
[18:52] <espitz> 4GB is plenty for the vanilla raspbian install, as well as all the others on the Noobs image
[18:53] <espitz> if you're thinking about running emulation station/retroarch, I'd go at least 8GB
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[18:54] <espitz> you can supplement with USB stick or external HDD if needed, for media center setups
[18:54] <espitz> or samba shares
[18:54] <hid3> get smallest/cheapest/slowest SD card you can. Use it only for /boot. Install the system on an external HDD. You won't experience 'random card crash' issues...
[18:54] <espitz> and there's that approach :)
[18:54] <hid3> my SD card got corrupted regulary every 3-5 days for no reason, just RPi left idle
[18:55] <espitz> I havent had that happen yet. It might be certain overclock settings (reports of core_freq causing this on forums), or might be the brand of SD card
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[18:56] <hid3> SanDisk, no overclocking at all
[18:57] <espitz> I have a Sony 4GB class 4 and a Sony 16GB class 6
[18:57] <espitz> neither have been corrupted - yet, lol
[18:57] <hid3> how long have you been running them?
[18:57] <hid3> Also, is your RPi 24x7?
[18:57] <espitz> only about 60 days
[18:57] <espitz> and yes on 24x7
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[18:58] <napos> i have a 16GB class 10 sandisk, the pi is on 24/7 and has been running for about a year now
[18:58] <napos> all ok
[18:59] <hid3> really really really really really strange...
[18:59] <espitz> but I agree that boot from HDD is a safer approach anyway
[18:59] <v0lt_> well i want to use it for xmbc and mabye some other programs, i have a NAS.
[18:59] <espitz> hard drives were meant for millions/billions of read/write operations
[19:00] <espitz> SD cards not so much
[19:00] <espitz> well millions maybe
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[19:00] <hid3> millions writes
[19:00] <hid3> billions read? :)
[19:01] <espitz> wasnt trying to distinguish between reads/writes really
[19:01] <hid3> oh..
[19:01] <espitz> just accessing it in general
[19:02] <v0lt_> i think i will go for 8 GB, 16 seems a bit overkill?
[19:02] <espitz> hard drives will take an enormous amount of operations over many years
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[19:02] <espitz> SD cards will "fail" much sooner
[19:03] <chunkyhead> is it possible to use vncserver with berryboot
[19:03] <Encrypt> I've just red napos' comment...
[19:04] <Encrypt> My Pi is also a server and it has been running for 2 years and a half now
[19:04] <espitz> havent tried, chunkyhead, but this says yes: http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot/headless_installation
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[19:05] <chunkyhead> yes i was on that
[19:05] <chunkyhead> but doesn't the host and client both need tightvnc?
[19:05] <chunkyhead> espitz: ^
[19:06] <napos> nope, client can be whatever
[19:06] <espitz> client can be any
[19:06] <espitz> well not any, I guess, but many will work
[19:06] <chunkyhead> so here's the deal, i want to dual boot my raspberry pi and i dont have a keyboard. how to go about that
[19:06] <chunkyhead> clien can be whatever as in?
[19:06] <chunkyhead> client*
[19:06] <espitz> I mean you dont have to use tightvnc client
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[19:07] <chunkyhead> but there should be atleast some virtual software right?
[19:07] <espitz> the androidvnc client works for me
[19:07] <espitz> you need the server on the pi
[19:07] <chunkyhead> espitz: how do i set that
[19:07] <hid3> Is there any watchdog (or watchcat, I don't mind it either) which would monitor the system state and try to reboot the RPi if it detects it freeze? Stock Debian had something like that...
[19:08] <Jusii> there is, guess what is it's name? :)
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[19:09] <espitz> chunkyhead: the instructions are in that link, no? It looks like you just need to edit a few files that are in the berrybooot
[19:09] <espitz> distribution
[19:10] <espitz> then VNC to the Pi using whatever VNC client you like
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[19:12] <espitz> it seems berryboot has had vnc capability as part of the distro since feb 13, 2013: http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot/changelog
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[19:13] <espitz> you don't need to install anything on the Pi side of it
[19:13] <espitz> just the computer you'll be using to VNC into the pi
[19:13] <chunkyhead> ipv4=192.168.88.88/255.255.255.0/192.168.88.1
[19:13] <chunkyhead> i need to use exactly this or
[19:13] <espitz> no
[19:13] <espitz> use your ip for the pi
[19:13] <espitz> whatever that is
[19:14] <espitz> you may want/need to set a static IP for it in your router
[19:14] <chunkyhead> how would i do that
[19:15] <espitz> tough question... what kind of router?
[19:15] <chunkyhead> adsl
[19:15] <espitz> brand/model I mean
[19:15] <chunkyhead> dlink
[19:15] <espitz> they're all different in how you set it up - some cant even do it
[19:16] <chunkyhead> let me see model name
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[19:16] <chunkyhead> dlink di-524
[19:16] <chunkyhead> what will be my netmask and gateway?
[19:17] <chunkyhead> and the ip will be what i get here right?http://screencloud.net/v/nSJM
[19:17] <Encrypt> netmask: 255.255.255.0
[19:17] <Encrypt> Gateway: 192.168.88.1 apaprently
[19:17] <espitz> if your DI-524 is using default settings: your netmask is 255.255.255.0 and gateway is 192.168.0.1
[19:18] <chunkyhead> how did u get that information
[19:18] <Encrypt> Yes, 192.168.0.1
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[19:18] <chunkyhead> rather from where
[19:18] <chunkyhead> or is it dlink's default
[19:18] <espitz> you can set a static IP by logging into the router and going under the Static DHCP section in the menus
[19:18] <Encrypt> chunkyhead, The gateway is the IP of your router
[19:18] <chunkyhead> aah..
[19:18] <espitz> it needs the mac address of the PI's NIC
[19:18] <chunkyhead> what is the netmask then?
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[19:19] <Encrypt> And the netmask defines the IP range of your network
[19:19] <espitz> netmask is 255.255.255.0 (assuming you didn't change the defaults)
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[19:20] <chunkyhead> this looks good? http://screencloud.net/v/UT1
[19:20] <Encrypt> chunkyhead, Did you read about the concept of netmask?
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[19:20] <espitz> that netmask means 192.168.0.1 will be the gateway, and anything between 192.168.0.2 and 192.168.0.254 can be used for hosts
[19:20] <chunkyhead> i have a vague theoretical idea
[19:20] <chunkyhead> Encrypt: ^
[19:20] <chunkyhead> espitz: alright!
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[19:21] <espitz> so
[19:21] <espitz> reading notes on the DI-524...
[19:21] <espitz> you have to disbale DHCP, configure your static IPs, then re-enable DHCP
[19:21] <chunkyhead> wait if i disable dhcp i would be disconnected..
[19:21] <Encrypt> No
[19:22] <chunkyhead> what port should i give it?
[19:22] <Encrypt> dhcp gives to any new device an free IP adress, the netmask of the network, the IP of the gateway and the DNS servers adress
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[19:23] <Encrypt> a* free
[19:24] <espitz> and you dont need to reboot the router after disabling DHCP
[19:24] <espitz> it's just temporary... apparently the firmware is jacked up and will give you an error if you try to set a static IP will DHCP is set to enabled
[19:25] <espitz> will=while
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[19:25] <espitz> again, I dont own one. I'm just reading notes in forum
[19:26] <espitz> you will also need to reduce the range of the DHCP Server to free up some addresses for static adressing
[19:26] <Encrypt> Hum...
[19:26] <espitz> i.e. change the DHCP range to .100 to .254 or whatever
[19:26] <espitz> then you can assign statics under .100
[19:26] <espitz> however you like to do it... that split isn't a requirement
[19:26] <Encrypt> What about setting a DHCP lease?
[19:27] <espitz> does DI-524 have that capability?
[19:27] <Encrypt> I don't know
[19:27] <Encrypt> But if he can, then he should do so...
[19:27] <chunkyhead> i could directly create a statis ip
[19:27] <chunkyhead> static*
[19:27] <espitz> me neither... wasnt tried to read thorugh the whole manual... lol
[19:28] <chunkyhead> wait
[19:28] <Encrypt> What I know is that my router had no problem with the static IP I gave to the Pi
[19:28] <amigojapan> oh, I have heard of people suggesting powered USB hubs in this channel.... I wonder if I can ask a non RPI question, I have an old iphone where the battery seems to be dead.... and it also says that it needs to be connected to itunes or it ownt let me use it when I connect it to a charger, but when I connect it to my PC, it seems hte PC wont give it enough power to keep on running while...
[19:28] <amigojapan> ...itunes is running.... I want to recover som data from the phone.... do you guys htink connecting it to a powered USB hub connected to my PC could both power it and let me get it to sync with itunes at the same time?
[19:28] <uid69> my current router has an interesting feature - you can select a device that's online and pin it's current address..
[19:28] <IT_Sean> amigojapan: your iPhone needs a new battery
[19:28] <Encrypt> amigojapan, I do think so...
[19:29] <Encrypt> But the best advise I could give you is to buy an Android Phone :p
[19:29] <amigojapan> IT_Sean: but I dont plan on using it anymore, do you think I can power it thru a powered USB hub, just to get the data out thru itunes?
[19:29] <amigojapan> Encrypt: thanks, I will take the advice someday :)
[19:29] <espitz> connecting to pc should be ok normally
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[19:30] <Encrypt> amigojapan, http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/usb/dub-h4-4-port-usb-2-hub
[19:30] <espitz> it may be that the phone is drawing more amps than the battery can deliver
[19:30] <amigojapan> let me see Encrypt
[19:30] <Encrypt> amigojapan, "The USB fast charging port allows you to quickly charge your iPad, iPhone, tablet, or other power-hungry mobile devices."
[19:30] <espitz> not a charging problem, per se
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[19:31] <chunkyhead> ok so i created a static ip http://screencloud.net/v/UT1
[19:31] <amigojapan> Encrypt: can you still tranfer data thru the charging port? or it is just for charging?
[19:31] <IT_Sean> amigojapan: your PC cannot sufficiently power it
[19:31] <Encrypt> Yes, you can
[19:32] <amigojapan> right IT_Sean
[19:32] <amigojapan> ok thanks Encrypt !
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[19:32] <chunkyhead> can someone point me to a good tightvnc guide
[19:32] <Encrypt> "Interfaces : 4 downstream USB 2.0 Type A (female) ports (including a fast charging port)"
[19:32] <chunkyhead> ive been just hopping here and there
[19:34] <Encrypt> chunkyhead, What is the aim of using tightvnc?
[19:34] <amigojapan> chunkyhead: I have used tightvnc on linux, if you plan on running more than one VNC desktop, I would gues it will be too much for your PI
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[19:35] <amigojapan> chunkyhead: yeah, why not just use x11vnc?
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[19:38] <Encrypt> amigojapan, Why not only use command line ? \o/
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[19:38] <amigojapan> Encrypt: well, perhaps you want to run X programs?
[19:40] <espitz> lol Encrypt
[19:40] <espitz> ssh ftw
[19:40] <Encrypt> amigojapan, Because...
[19:40] <Encrypt> ... http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/44702369.jpg
[19:40] <amigojapan> let me see
[19:40] <espitz> haha
[19:40] <amigojapan> heheeh Encrypt
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[19:41] <Encrypt> That's how I administrate my server
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[19:41] <Encrypt> Thanks to SSH :)
[19:41] <Encrypt> :p
[19:41] <espitz> some people are scurred of the CLI
[19:41] <espitz> that is, almost anyone that grew up on windows/Mac
[19:41] <espitz> :)
[19:41] <amigojapan> Encrypt: I would like to run some GUI programs like perhaps QT designer , or something like that
[19:42] <amigojapan> and also I like geany as an IDE
[19:43] <espitz> and you prefer to do development through VNC?
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[20:17] <ayonix> hey, i'm trying to have mpd output on the headphone and xbmc output on hdmi, any chance of doing it like that?
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[20:18] <ayonix> another solution would be to always output on both :S
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[20:27] <IT_Sean> I believe it is one or the other, ayonix.
[20:27] <IT_Sean> I may be wrong, but, iirc, it's one comzouta or the other.
[20:27] <IT_Sean> the minijack sound quality is crap anyway.
[20:28] <ayonix> hmm.. I'll test a bit :)
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[20:39] <kichuku> Hi. I have a quick question. Just got my pi today :) :) :) I want to get started with ASAP...I just can't wait. I don't have a SD card. So I am in the process of loading raspbian to micro sd card.
[20:39] <kichuku> My question is this- Can I use a charger meant for LG Nexus 4 , for raspberry pi?
[20:43] <IT_Sean> Yes
[20:43] <IT_Sean> A Nexus 4 changer will work
[20:43] <IT_Sean> I've used one before with my Model B
[20:44] <kichuku> great. Thanks @IT_Sean
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[20:46] * IT_Sean nods
[20:47] <kichuku> If only raspberry pi supported booting from a usb stick, I would have gotten started with my pi in just 5 minutes of receiving it. Sigh!!
[20:47] <IT_Sean> sorry... needs the SD card
[20:47] <hid3> don't be too excited
[20:48] <IT_Sean> you can put /home on a USB, but, the initial boot has to be from the SD card.
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[20:48] <hid3> you'll be more sad when your card starts corrupting, or you experience random crashes, etc
[20:48] <IT_Sean> hid3: hush.
[20:48] <kichuku> ya i know the /boot has to be in sd card..
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[20:49] <skullcrasher> what do you guys think/know is more performant with php on rpi. mysql/mariadb or sqlite?
[20:49] <skullcrasher> model B
[20:49] <kichuku> Is there a easy to use tutorial wherein I can still use my usb stick for having the actual /root , /home etc and ONLY /boot in the sd card ?
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[20:50] <dreamon> Using -> wiringPiISR(int pin, int mode, void (*function)(void)) for setting interrupt on Hardware input. how can I stop this interrupt at end of my program?
[20:50] <hid3> yes, that's the suggested scenario, by me
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[20:54] <haon99> Hey, so I'm SSHing into my pi from my OSX machine. When I log in and then run ruby scripts, all is well, but when I try to execute it in one command (like ssh 192.168.1.1 -l pi "Ruby -e'print :hello'") I'm seeing a ruby: command not found
[20:55] <haon99> ssh 192.168.2.8 -l pi "echo 'hey'ssh 192.168.2.8 -l pi "echo 'hey'"
[20:55] <haon99> If it helps, ssh 192.168.1.1 -l pi "echo 'hey'" works fine.
[20:55] <Apocope> haon99: ruby should probably be all lower case in your command
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[20:56] <haon99> Ah, yeah, still no luck with all lowercase.
[20:56] <haon99> Better question might be, I'm trying to come up with a workflow to run ruby scripts I'm writing on my laptop on the pi. my thinking is getting this to work and being able to do ssh 192.168.1.1 -l pi ruby <l localscript.rb is the way to go, but maybe there's a better solution?
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[21:01] <Apocope> haon99: I needed to supply the full path to ruby, so: ssh 192.168.1.1 -l pi "/usr/bin/ruby -e'print :hello'"
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[21:01] <espitz> kichuku: does this work for you? http://www.dingleberrypi.com/2013/05/install-and-run-raspbian-from-a-usb-flash-drive/
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[21:02] <haon99> Apocope: Thanks!
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[21:02] <frib> Hello. I'm watching a video over NFS from my rpi when it suddenly becomes unresponsive unlesss I cut the power and reboot. How can I diagnose this? Thanks for any help!
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[21:05] <kichuku> espitz: thanks for the link about the usb boot thing
[21:05] <uid69> LOL at that URL
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[21:17] <skullcrasher> is sqlite or mysql faster on the rpi?
[21:19] <SiC> couldn't say off the top of my head, but I'd imagine it depends on what type of data you are storing and how you want to process it
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[21:20] <skullcrasher> well I would like to use it for a php framework (yii) and both are supported
[21:20] <Dutchy> other factors are your type of sd card and if the data fits in memory :)
[21:20] <skullcrasher> but ofc I try to get the most out of the pi as possible
[21:20] <Dutchy> for personal use only, choose either, i doubt you'll notice much
[21:20] <skullcrasher> hmm
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[21:21] <Dutchy> fwiw, i'd choose sqlite
[21:21] <skullcrasher> ok
[21:21] <SiC> I'd look at mariadb over mysql too
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[21:22] <skullcrasher> for now I have mariadb installed
[21:22] <uid69> I'd pick MySQL.
[21:22] <espitz> I'd pick MySQL as well
[21:22] <skullcrasher> hmm ok. so there aren't much performance differences?
[21:23] <skullcrasher> i thought more that sqlite isnt thath "bloated"
[21:23] <uid69> Do you know both?
[21:23] <Dutchy> only under heavy load
[21:23] <skullcrasher> with daemon n stuff
[21:24] <skullcrasher> not only the load (that won't be that much) but the usage of resources is important
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[21:25] <espitz> as with anything I suppose it depends on what you're doing... I dont think MySQL is so bloated that you're going to see some huge performance differences.
[21:25] <Dutchy> im assuming you mean ram with that, mysql doesnt use much ram when it's not heavily used
[21:25] <skullcrasher> well ok, seems like it let everything as it is :)
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[21:27] <Dutchy> im going to see if my modem's usb ports provide enough power for my pi :)
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[21:29] <espitz> sqllite will take up less storage space I suppose
[21:29] <espitz> but its got some downsides... particularly with large databases
[21:29] <SiC> yea but with SD cards as storage, storage space isn't a big deal
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[21:29] <espitz> since database entries are stored in a single file
[21:29] <SiC> sqlite will be worse for large datasets imo
[21:29] <uid69> I don't know a ton of folk hired for their sqllite skill..
[21:30] <espitz> yeah it's way worse for large datasets
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[21:30] <espitz> and it's totally unsuitable for any sort of client/server architecture
[21:30] <espitz> also on the "dev" side
[21:30] <espitz> sqllite is a bit more restrictive
[21:31] <espitz> i.e. you are limited to what you can change in a table - pretty much you can only add new columns
[21:31] <skullcrasher> well it'll be a little php webapp for personal use. nothing that big. but could become intermediate size
[21:32] <SiC> personally I'd choose mariadb/mysql as it works very well with PHP and is pretty much the defacto standard together
[21:32] <espitz> cant alter existing table structures much, so you're left building new tables and moving data over when want to make significant changes to the DB structure
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[21:33] <espitz> and I don't think SQLLite has any sort of stored proc functionality, which may or may not be needed
[21:33] <espitz> and just my personal opinion, PHP+MySQL is the easiest combo to work with
[21:33] <Dutchy> i remember reading in the specs that the pi need 700mAh, is there any way to tell it's not getting enough?
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[21:34] <Syliss> thats for full load
[21:34] <espitz> not directly I dont think
[21:34] <espitz> you can measure V across TP1 and TP2
[21:35] <frib> Dutchy, I use 1.2A, otherwise it wouldn't handle my hd
[21:35] <Dutchy> alright
[21:36] <Dutchy> i'll get a proper adapter when i plan to use it more heavily
[21:36] <frib> it's really necessary
[21:36] <espitz> if it's low, that might suggest it may not be able to draw sufficient current - but it's not proof really
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[21:37] <frib> you will know by trying to add a little more current, if the problem goes away then you know
[21:37] <espitz> it could theretically use up to 1.1A with stuff plugged into the USB ports
[21:37] <Dutchy> not using those for now, so that's fine
[21:37] <espitz> so jsut get a 1.2A adapter and call it a day :)
[21:37] <SiC> also becareful of the micro-usb lead you use
[21:38] <SiC> I had trouble with one that the internal wires must have been too thin
[21:38] <SiC> and caused voltage brownouts under peak loads
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[21:38] <Dutchy> i dont have any tools to measure the current, im not much of a hardware guy :)
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[21:45] <rwb> I started using 2 amp adapters. Would that be too much?
[21:45] <espitz> no such thing as too much really
[21:46] <espitz> the system will draw what it needs
[21:46] <espitz> just need to have the voltage correct
[21:46] <rwb> That's what I though... Thanks!
[21:46] <espitz> I run mine off a 2.1A "charge-only" port on a powered USB hub
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[21:51] <uid69> isn't 0.5 minimal?
[21:51] <uid69> I think I'm using a 0.7 one from my old phone
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> remember that the Pi has a 700mA input polyfuse on the micro usb connector..
[21:54] <AnimalFarmPig> Hi, I'd like to try to learn to use the gpio pins on my Pi. Is there a list of software libraries out there for interacting with them? I'm very comfortable in Python, but I'd kind of like to try something different but not C
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> so when powering power hungry USB devices it's better to use a powered hub.
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> AnimalFarmPig, http://wiringpi.com/
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> AnimalFarmPig, ah, misread the not C bit...
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[21:55] <AnimalFarmPig> gordonDrogon, if it's gotta be C, I'll give it a shot, but I would really prefer a higher level language
[21:55] <AnimalFarmPig> I know that there is a Python module out there as well
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> bash...
[21:56] <AnimalFarmPig> really?
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[21:56] <AnimalFarmPig> can I access the pins like files through /dev or something?
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> either poke the /sys/class/gpio directly, or use the gpio command (part of wiringPi)
[21:56] <AnimalFarmPig> oh cool!
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[21:56] <gordonDrogon> with the gpio command: gpio mode 0 out ; gpio write 0 1
[21:56] <AnimalFarmPig> command line interface to pin, should open language up quite a bit
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> etc.
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/gpioExamples/tuxx.sh
[21:58] <AnimalFarmPig> From what I read, some of the pins have hardware support for pulse width modulation. I was thinking perhaps to use one of my Pi's to control computer fan speed
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> One pin has that support.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> just remember the Pi's GPIO is 3.3v only.
[21:59] <AnimalFarmPig> I suppose I could do it in software on the others?
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> and not much current capacity either, so you'll need to add buffers for e.g. a 12v fan.
[21:59] <AnimalFarmPig> gotcha
[21:59] <pksato> AnimalFarmPig: lots os ways to access gpio http://www.elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> yes - there are various software approaches - my approach needs a C program running.
[21:59] <AnimalFarmPig> awesome, thanks for link, pksato
[22:00] <AnimalFarmPig> if there is scratch support, I wonder if there is smalltalk support... haven't played with smalltalk since university a long time ago.
[22:00] <AnimalFarmPig> this should get me started :D
[22:00] <AnimalFarmPig> thanks guys
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[22:01] <gordonDrogon> I think there's a smalltalk system for the Pi - google will know :)
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[22:05] <uid69> speaking of talk... any solid apps to manage either facebook / google talk / etc via command line?
[22:05] <uid69> ssh
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[22:10] <J_Darnley> If you know its kungfu well enough you couls manage them using curl
[22:10] <J_Darnley> *could
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[22:15] <uid69> J_Darnley: Not quite a curl kungfu master
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[22:19] <uid69> trying to find waht i tried last - it was pretty cool but only did yahoo, aim, and icq.. and those are pretty much dinosaurs..
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[22:36] <haon99> Hi! Unsure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm executing a remote command via ssh (non-interactive). Is there a way to allow the session to persist (not detach) from the server and continue listening for output?
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[22:36] <haon99> E.g. I'm currently running: ssh 192.168.2.8 -l pi "source /etc/profile;source ~/.bash_profile;source ~/.bashrc;rvmsudo ruby" < foo.rb
[22:37] <shiftplusone> screen or nohup
[22:37] <sney> or tmux
[22:37] <skullcrasher> screen
[22:37] <haon99> Is that a flag I pass?
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[22:37] <shiftplusone> it's a thing you google
[22:37] <haon99> I'm on it.
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[22:52] <espitz> shiftplusone: you familiar with this site? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=screen+or+nohup You seem like the kind of person that might get a kick out of sending one of these links to someone.
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[22:54] <sney> lmgtfy is pretty rude, shiftplusone at least usually intends to help people. if he busted out lmgtfy it'd be after a really long exchange of someone refusing to do their own research
[22:54] <Nefarious___> ^ beat me to it
[22:54] <espitz> I didn't mean that in a bad way
[22:54] <espitz> I send them to people sometimes
[22:55] <espitz> sorry if I gave any offense
[22:56] <sney> if you want to give someone a google link, give them a google link. if you want to give them a google link AND imply that they're stupid, give them a lmgtfy link.
[22:56] <espitz> wow... didnt realize it was that offensive
[22:57] <espitz> I would think you're implying they could figure things out themselves if they gave it a try.
[22:57] <espitz> stupid is a bit harsh
[22:57] <espitz> part of the problem with text exchanges I guess...
[22:57] <steev> blergh, tried the 3.12.6 kernel, and i'm getting the same thing i was getting with the 3.10... anyone running debian armel on their rpi with the latest kernel(s)? (as in the commits from a few days ago?) I'm getting the following at boot time - http://bpaste.net/show/Sw7dk9ZLFBZlEQrvxSXP/ - in my research, typically that points to the rootfs being corrupt,
[22:57] <steev> but it's definitely not - or the rootfs is not mounted yet (at least based on my reading it is....) so... i'm kind of out of ideas here, if anyone has any, i'm all ears
[22:57] <sney> yeah
[22:58] <steev> this is using the bcrmrpi_defconfi
[23:00] <steev> it also occurs whether powered via the rpi ac adapter, or usb port
[23:00] <sney> armel, hmm
[23:00] <Nefarious___> sney: I only agree with you up to a point. If you give then a sole link, then yes, its offensive. but if not, it boosts them to look around a bit more, eg. Giving them a list of possible ideas etc.
[23:01] <sney> I'm pretty sure lmgtfy is intended to show someone they could have googled it themselves. it's sort of a scolding gesture. rudeness I suppose varies depending on context, but still
[23:01] <steev> sney: yeah, one of the first links says to check for OABI support being on in the kernel (it is)
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[23:01] <sney> does debian armel use an initrd?
[23:01] <steev> no, no initrd
[23:01] <steev> and ext4 is built in to the kernel
[23:02] <sney> hm.
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[23:02] <Nefarious___> sney: of course, although personally, I find it a good way to show someone better search terminology and/or a lust of results without a big link (I know shorteners exist, maybe this isn't such a good point)
[23:03] <Nefarious___> But anyway...
[23:03] <Nefarious___> Who cares XD
[23:03] <sney> nod
[23:03] <haon99> I'm still having some trouble wrapping my head around how screen should solve my problem. I'd run it remotely (on the pi), execute my local ruby script, and then log back in and reopen the screen session?
[23:03] <sney> steev: was the problem introduced with those later kernels? not present with stock stable?
[23:04] <sney> haon99: basically.
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[23:04] <sney> haon99: screen lets you keep a persistent shell regardless of whether you're connected or currently using it.
[23:05] <haon99> Right. Hmm, but there's no way to keep listening to the results when running a remote command with ssh?
[23:06] <sney> I guess I'm not sure what you're actually trying to do
[23:06] <haon99> I'm trying to run a ruby script I have locally on the pi via ssh.
[23:06] <steev> sney: well, I get the same error with the latest commits on rpi-3.10.y - the last one that i KNOW worked was a 3.6.11 area
[23:07] <steev> I'm not sure what is considered stock stable - I haven't run a raspbian image... ever
[23:07] <haon99> e.g. I run ssh 192.168.2.8 -l pi "source /etc/profile;source ~/.bash_profile;source ~/.bashrc;rvmsudo ruby" < foo.rb which works great, i see an intial output, but then i want to keep watching for e.g. when a button is pressed.
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[23:09] <steev> sney: i'm going to tell it to build with a rpi-3.6.y - it will take about an hour to generate me an image i can test
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[23:12] <shiftplusone> espitz, sorry, was afk. Yeah, I consider lmgtfy rude and unhelpful. I make an effort to help where I can, and if I think the person is not learning and is simply copy and pasting and I feel myself getting annoyed, I generally leave it to others.
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[23:42] <pagios> hi i would like to make my raspberrypi cover unremovable is there a way to lock it? glue it ? dunno
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[23:45] <J_Darnley> I guess the specifics would depend on the case you bought. In general though glue would make it permanent
[23:46] <pagios> J_Darnley: but if someone unglue the thing hecan still steal the sdcard
[23:46] <J_Darnley> Someone could cut the case open to do the same!
[23:47] <J_Darnley> Most cases allow SD card access anyway
[23:48] <J_Darnley> as in there is a hole to plug in and remove it
[23:48] <pagios> how to protect my software J_Darnley
[23:50] <J_Darnley> What do you mean by that? What do you want to protect it from?
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[23:50] <pagios> stealing my software
[23:52] <n3hxs> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-HOWTO/physical-security.html
[23:53] <n3hxs> But not a complete method from what I read.
[23:53] <J_Darnley> Keep your eye on it. No amount of protection will stop someone with physical access, for long enough, from tampering.
[23:54] <n3hxs> http://www.cablesandkits.com/linier-6u-19-wall-mount-cabinet-with-glass-door-p-4577.html?CAWELAID=120126460000005354&%22cagpspn=pla%22&gclid=CPC7_eaX8rsCFYtQOgodGDIAjQ
[23:54] <pagios> i was tihnking of a kind of ring that would mount on the case, in case it is broken i can trace that
[23:55] <n3hxs> And with that you can put about 40 Raspberry pi systems inside.
[23:55] <pagios> n3hxs: a kind of ring that is unique and cannot be repaired if broken?
[23:55] <pagios> does that thing exist or am i just imagining stuff
[23:55] <n3hxs> Once the card is gone, how do you protect your software.
[23:56] <pagios> i would know that the card is gone at least
[23:56] <n3hxs> YOu said you want to protect your software. Protect implies that no one would even get access.
[23:57] <pagios> what about epoxy?
[23:57] <n3hxs> Look at locking boxes which can be mounted securely to the wall.
[23:57] <pagios> if i glue it all together so it becomes 1 object
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[23:57] <n3hxs> epoxy is fine if you never have a card failure or a corrupted card.
[23:58] <pagios> but if i glue it on sdcard, is there a way forthe intruder to recover the sdcard in some way?
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[23:58] <ppq> there's always a way if the attacker is passionate enough about it
[23:58] <n3hxs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SB1383A-8-x13x-x4-Wall-Mount-Alarm-Locking-box-Electrical-Enclosure-Cabinet-/261064723431
[23:58] <ppq> no matter what you do
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