#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-01-26

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[0:13] <pksato> http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/25/2222206/kentucky-programming-language--foreign-language
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[0:17] <Tachyon`> hrm, openelec (noobs) has decided my network is down
[0:18] <Tachyon`> ah yes, and only openelec, raspbian still sees it
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[0:28] <bsilvereagle> Tachyon`: ethernet or wireless?
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[1:23] <Mallot1> Hello :)
[1:24] <plugwash> hi
[1:24] <Mallot1> Im trying to setup my raspberry pi with a backup display monitor
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[1:25] <Mallot1> hi plugwash
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[1:25] <Mallot1> for some reson i cant seem to get the screen to come on successfully
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[1:26] <Mallot1> does anyone know how o hook up a raspberry pi with a backup display monitor?
[1:26] <Mallot1> You help is very appreciated! :D
[1:26] <shiftplusone> what do you mean by 'backup display monitor' ?
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[1:27] <Mallot1> hold on
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[1:27] <Mallot1> ill end you the link @shiftplusone
[1:27] <Mallot1> *send :)
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[1:28] <Mallot1> link to monitor: http://www.amazon.com/3-5-Inch-TFT-Monitor-Automobile/dp/B0045IIZKU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390696114&sr=8-1&keywords=3.5+inch+tft+lcd+monitor+for+car%2Fautomobile
[1:29] <Mallot1> there it i @shiftplusone
[1:29] <shiftplusone> so, just a composite display then? What's the 'backup' bit about? Are you trying to connect it at the same time as an hdmi display?
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[1:31] <Mallot1> no sorry, my mistake, its just a composite monitor
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[1:31] <Mallot1> no not at the same time as HDMI
[1:31] <Mallot1> :)
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[1:31] <shiftplusone> when you power up the pi, you just have that display plugged in an nothing in HDMI, right?
[1:32] <Mallot1> yes
[1:32] <shiftplusone> Hmm
[1:33] <shiftplusone> AFAIK, the pi defaults to composite when no HDMI is enabled, so it should work. Tried playing around with config.txt?
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[1:34] <Mallot1> no, havent touched it yet
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[1:35] <shiftplusone> are you using NOOBS?
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[1:35] <Mallot1> Yes the latest NOOBS
[1:36] <shiftplusone> When booting, try holding 3
[1:36] <Mallot1> aoright
[1:36] <Mallot1> *alright
[1:37] <shiftplusone> "By default, NOOBS will output over HDMI at your display's preferred resolution, even if no HDMI display is connected."
[1:38] <shiftplusone> "If you do not see any output on your HDMI display or are using the composite output, press 1, 2, 3 or 4 on your keyboard to select HDMI preferred mode, HDMI safe mode, composite PAL mode or composite NTSC mode respectively."
[1:38] <[Saint]> odd behavior.
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[1:38] <ShorTie> ya, really
[1:39] <[Saint]> you'd think it would try composite if it new no HDMI was plugged.
[1:39] <Mallot1> @shiftplusone mind if i PM you?
[1:39] <shiftplusone> go for it
[1:39] <[Saint]> "we'll use the display, even if we know its not present"
[1:39] <[Saint]> wut
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[1:40] <[Saint]> *if it knew
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[1:40] * ShorTie wonders if that was the problem earlier
[1:40] <Mallot1> @shiftplusone is there a specific screen we need to press 3 at?
[1:41] <[Saint]> wait...it doesn't even make any sense.
[1:41] <[Saint]> How does it kbow the preferred resolution of the display that isn't xonnected?
[1:42] <shiftplusone> I think it's because some HDMI displays don't report back properly so the pi can't detect them. Especially those vga adapters.
[1:42] <[Saint]> that is some quality Engrish.
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[1:42] <[Saint]> its a valud sentence, but it makes no sense.
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[1:42] <[Saint]> gah. can't type.
[1:43] <shiftplusone> A little nitpicky there, [Saint]
[1:43] <[Saint]> Maybe I'm parsing it incorrectly.
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[1:45] <shiftplusone> yes, it's silly, since it implies in can get a preferred resolution of a potentially non-existing display. But meh
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[2:03] <Mallot1> thanks @shiftplusone ! :D
[2:03] <shiftplusone> what was the problem?
[2:03] <Mallot1> were all setup i found out you have to go to recovery mode first
[2:03] <Mallot1> by pressing shift
[2:03] <shiftplusone> ah, right
[2:03] <Mallot1> then 3
[2:03] <Mallot1> :)
[2:04] <shiftplusone> I suspected that might be the case, but wasn't sure enough to suggest it. Good to know.
[2:04] <Mallot1> bye guys good luck on your projects, and you should check out Retro Pie its pretty cool :)
[2:04] <Mallot1> alright bye B)
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[2:36] <rikkib> Wooot distcc-pump gcc -c hello.c -o hello.o
[2:36] <rikkib> __________Using distcc-pump from /usr/bin
[2:36] <rikkib> __________Found 6 available distcc servers
[2:36] <rikkib> __________Shutting down distcc-pump include server
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[2:38] <shiftplusone> Would be interesting to see how the compile times compare to native non-distcc compiles
[2:38] <shiftplusone> How well it scales, at least
[2:41] <rikkib> I will have to find something to compile and do some tests
[2:41] <rikkib> I also have a i386 pc set up with a cross compiler
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[2:43] <rikkib> Mind you I do not expect fantastic results from 6 RPi
[2:43] <shiftplusone> would expect it to fare poorly compared to cross-compiling, but who knows
[2:45] <rikkib> 6 x 2 = 12 bogomips
[2:46] <shiftplusone> yeah, but 6 * any useless metric = useless result.
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[2:47] <rikkib> 3588 bogomips for my linux devel box
[2:48] <rikkib> Still a kernel compile is an overnight job
[2:50] <rikkib> I won't be building anything tonight... Back says it is time to stop for the day or do something different
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[3:08] <Ithak> So just got my first rapberrypi looking for something fun to set up. What and how did you set up yours?
[3:08] <marccollin> hi, i connected only a mouse on my raspberrypi. noob is installed on it. at the boot menu, is it safe to turn it off?
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[4:20] <rikkib> real 0m25.799s
[4:20] <rikkib> real 0m14.966s
[4:21] <rikkib> Two compiles of the wiringPi wiringPi directory
[4:21] * JMichaelX is now known as GeneralTso
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[4:21] <rikkib> First one with just one process
[4:22] <rikkib> The second with 6 distcc machines
[4:23] <rikkib> An 11 second difference on 25 files
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[4:34] <shiftplusone> hmm... the people that think python is easier than c are insane O_o
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[4:45] <plugwash> depends what you mean by "easier"
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[4:46] <plugwash> The thing with C is that the basic language is easy enough to learn, it also doesn't give you many tools to work with
[4:47] <plugwash> so before you can start pushing text arround safely you have to learn what a pointer is, what is meant by a null terminator, what a buffer overflow is.....................
[4:49] <plugwash> and when you create data structures you have to make descisions about fixed size fields vs pointers and if you use pointers what part of your code "owns" the memory they point to
[4:49] <shiftplusone> It seems like there's hell of a lot more to learn in python. And without knowing the more advanced features, it very easy to do thing wrong or at least write code that has terrible readability
[4:50] <tdy> it's easier to do something wrong in python than it is to mess up C pointers?
[4:50] <tdy> i'm not sure that's true for most people..
[4:51] <shiftplusone> certainly not. pointers are a massive hurdle for most people
[4:51] <tdy> i think that's probably the #1 reason why people say C is harder than python
[4:51] <tdy> can't speak for everyone, but just my guess
[4:51] <shiftplusone> but I think it's easier to get past that hurdle (and once you have, there's not much left) than it is to truly learn python
[4:52] <shiftplusone> An example of python insanity... there was a guy here a while back who needed the first item in a list, and instead of indexing it, he treated the list as a string and stripped everything else out. >_<
[4:52] <tdy> haha
[4:54] <shiftplusone> I wonder how easy it is for beginners to get to grips with decorators, for example.
[4:54] <shiftplusone> without knowing 'programming' already.
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[4:56] <shiftplusone> Python is fun though, I'll give it that.
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[4:58] <Mallot1> hi again
[4:58] <shiftplusone> what did you break this time?
[4:59] <Mallot1> :)wenever i set my Raspberry Pi to Composite PAL when i reboot it goes back to HDMI mode
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[4:59] <Mallot1> and there isnt even a HDMI plugged in
[4:59] <shiftplusone> pastebin your config.txt from the OS in question
[5:00] <Mallot1> alright
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[5:01] <plugwash> <shiftplusone> but I think it's easier to get past that hurdle (and once you have, there's not much left) <-- one other thing with pointers is even once you get the concept it's STILL really easy to mess them up
[5:01] <plugwash> and when you DO mess them up it can be REALLY difficult to debug
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[5:03] <shiftplusone> that's true. I feel like I got the hang of C and can write whatever I put my mind to, but I do still make lots of mistakes and get stuck trying to figure them out.
[5:03] <Mallot1> where i config.txt located @shiftplusone?
[5:04] <shiftplusone> and the accounting aspect of it is... ergh.
[5:04] <shiftplusone> Mallot1, check that fat32 partitions, namely /boot
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[5:06] <plugwash> because a write to a runaway pointer can change totally unrelated stuff
[5:07] <Mallot1> how do i find it?
[5:08] <Mallot1> i dotn see a boot folder on te SD card im using for the pi
[5:08] <shiftplusone> I also end up writing code than should actually be written in C++. There are some situations which clearly call for inheritance and polymorphism, for example. Then trying to work around that gives messy code >.>
[5:08] <shiftplusone> Mallot1, is the card currently in the pi or are you reading it from your pc?
[5:08] <Mallot1> my pc
[5:09] <shiftplusone> how many partitions are there?
[5:09] <Mallot1> on the pc?
[5:09] <shiftplusone> on the card
[5:09] <shiftplusone> well, it doesn't matter, just mount the fat32 ones
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[5:09] <Mallot1> sorry man, i dont know what you mean
[5:10] <shiftplusone> What OS are you using?
[5:10] <Mallot1> bymount
[5:10] <Mallot1> Windows*
[5:10] <Mallot1> Windows8
[5:10] <shiftplusone> oh
[5:10] <shiftplusone> put the card back in the pi
[5:10] <shiftplusone> go into recovery
[5:10] <Mallot1> alright
[5:10] <shiftplusone> there's a button to edit config.txt
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[5:11] <Mallot1> yeah we accessed from there to change the screen resolution
[5:11] <Mallot1> ill opnen it
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[5:22] <shiftplusone> Mallot1, after that, this is the documentation of interest http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[5:22] <shiftplusone> make sure there's no safe mode enabled or hdmi_force_hotplug=1 or anything like that.
[5:23] <Mallot1> thanks
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[6:23] <steve_rox> anything interesting going on?
[6:28] <steve_rox> i guess not
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[6:36] <rikkib> I have a six RPi distcc system set up today
[6:37] <steve_rox> erm yay
[6:38] <plugwash> So probablly about equivilent to one imx6.......................
[6:38] <steve_rox> whats that mean?
[6:39] <rikkib> distributed compilation across six rpi
[6:39] <plugwash> probablly weaker actually
[6:39] <steve_rox> ill assume thats awesome for some reasion
[6:40] <rikkib> Seems not even twice as fast with six processes
[6:40] <plugwash> steve_rox, for sufficiently small values of awesome
[6:40] <rikkib> overhead
[6:40] <rikkib> probably get better results with larger packages
[6:40] <plugwash> yeah it's probablly quicker than a single Pi but by the sound of things much slower than a single decent quad core arm board
[6:41] <rikkib> only tested with wiringPi
[6:41] <rikkib> and that has a few issues
[6:42] <rikkib> had to change the build script and some of the sub packages would not compile with distcc remotely (Built locally)
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[6:42] <rikkib> 50 seconds without distcc
[6:42] <rikkib> 35 seconds with
[6:46] <plugwash> ok that's pretty tiny..........
[6:48] <shiftplusone> that's a shame, although expected
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[7:02] <steve_rox> guess im still going crazy trying to think of new rpi projects
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[7:07] <shiftplusone> robots seem to be all the rage
[7:08] <steve_rox> seem it yeah
[7:08] <sirderpalot> remote-controlled motorcycle
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[7:09] <shiftplusone> nuh, motorcycles are more fun controlled directly
[7:09] <sirderpalot> i call it "the kinetic land rocket" !
[7:10] <steve_rox> spose it would be interesting to make one
[7:10] <steve_rox> id need to learn how to control motors without relays directly
[7:10] <trickyhero> I wanna make a RC car that ha a camera on it and a blowhorn that I can control remotly so I can troll my friends, that's my rpi dream project right now
[7:11] <sirderpalot> servos
[7:11] <sirderpalot> trickyhero: just grab an rc car and stick a wireless camera onto it
[7:11] <steve_rox> i did hook my rpi into a old RC car
[7:12] <steve_rox> but i had a few issues here and there
[7:12] <sirderpalot> did it bonk walls? :]
[7:12] <trickyhero> it needs to go atleast a few blocks and be able to remotly use the blowhorn
[7:12] <steve_rox> like when wifi keyboard goes outter range :-P
[7:12] <steve_rox> it did get stuck in reverse smashed up wall and axel smashed out
[7:12] <steve_rox> i had to do a crude fix on it
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[7:13] <trickyhero> so I'd probly have to use some 3g unless there's some way for direct connection of that video and controlling it
[7:13] <sirderpalot> lol
[7:13] <steve_rox> wonder if hotwireing the rpi into a rc car radio transmitter controller would be any interst
[7:14] <steve_rox> i still have the partual idea of turning the rpi into a radiation detector using its ccd
[7:17] <steve_rox> could rip the radioactive material out of smoke detector to test it
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[7:38] <johniscool> Hey any suggestions for a faster desktop environment on debian?
[7:39] <shiftplusone> than lxde?
[7:40] <shiftplusone> the overhead you are seeing does not come from the DE itself, but the actual rendering
[7:40] <shiftplusone> (in other words, they are all terrible)
[7:41] <johniscool> well that stinks...
[7:41] <shiftplusone> you could try just using openbox alone
[7:41] <shiftplusone> (already installed)
[7:41] <johniscool> would a different window manager like openbox be better?
[7:41] <johniscool> oops
[7:42] <shiftplusone> lxde uses openbox
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[7:42] <johniscool> Oh i didnt know that.
[7:42] <johniscool> I just wanted something smooth to use with synergy
[7:43] <shiftplusone> there's wayland, but it's not ready for everyday use yet
[7:44] <shiftplusone> and only helps with compositing and dragging stuff around, not the actual applications it runs.
[7:44] <johniscool> plus I dount synergy would work properly with wayland
[7:44] <shiftplusone> yeah, probably not
[7:45] <shiftplusone> what is it you're doing that needs smoothness anyway?
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[7:45] <shiftplusone> I am currently using X11 forwarding and it's like running stuff directly on the pi but with the smoothness of running stuff locally (for the most part).
[7:45] <johniscool> Well I know its not possible, but I was hoping to get resource usage low enough to play flash video smoothly
[7:45] <johniscool> *probably
[7:45] <shiftplusone> I have geany running right now and it feels like it's running locally.
[7:46] <shiftplusone> lol
[7:46] <shiftplusone> yeah, forget that
[7:46] <shiftplusone> unless you can get resource usage down into the negative
[7:46] <johniscool> haha well I can dream
[7:46] <shiftplusone> is this for youtube?
[7:46] <johniscool> yep
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[7:47] <shiftplusone> there are midori scripts which use youtube-dl magic to play youtube videos in omxplayer when they are detected.
[7:47] <johniscool> does that help?
[7:48] <shiftplusone> 'course, it plays HD videos at full speed
[7:48] <johniscool> I cant tell if that is sarcasm...
[7:48] <shiftplusone> no sarcasm
[7:48] <johniscool> Oh, well thats suprising
[7:49] <shiftplusone> the pi does have pretty beefy GPU
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[7:50] <johniscool> Well then I wish it didnt open another application at all. If only you could search and play vids from one
[7:50] <johniscool> so i wouldnt have to keep closing omxplayer
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[7:54] <trickyhero> could always try wayland for way better performance then X, idk how useable it is yet though
[7:54] <johniscool> I doubt it would work with synergy
[7:56] <johniscool> got to go. Ill hopefully talk again soon. Thank you for all of your help! :)
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[8:26] <steve_rox> y
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[10:16] <Raynerd> Can someone tell me how to test for an internet connection in terminal?
[10:17] <Raynerd> I.e how can I check my connection is working
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[10:17] <ShorTie> you could use ping
[10:17] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, ping and ifconfig are the basic tools there
[10:18] <ShorTie> ping your router, if that works try like google/
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[10:21] <Raynerd> wpi_gui says connected but I don't seem to be able to connect to anything!
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[10:21] <Raynerd> In terminal. ping
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[10:23] <ShorTie> PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
[10:23] <ShorTie> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=51.1 ms
[10:23] <ShorTie> ...
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[10:24] <ShorTie> but that is after you can ping your router
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[10:27] <Raynerd> Ahhhhhh! It works. How odd.
[10:27] <shiftplusone> now, can you ping www.google.com ?
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[10:28] <ShorTie> if 'ping' works and 'ping google.com' doesn't, then it is a DNS issue
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[11:20] <SebSemmi> which locale I have to set , when I’m from germany?
[11:20] * ShorTie thinkz, blaaa, take 1,234,567
[11:21] <mgottschlag> ShorTie: was that supposed to be related? would be 1.234.567 in germany :p
[11:22] <ShorTie> don't know germanies intials, but look for like gr_*
[11:23] <ShorTie> no, thats how many times i've reloaded a image and started over
[11:23] <mgottschlag> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=de_DE
[11:23] <mgottschlag> gr probably would be greek
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[11:24] <mgottschlag> that is from this ubuntu laptop btw, not from a pi
[11:24] <ShorTie> ah ya, thats them
[11:25] <ShorTie> should be the same i would think though
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[11:28] <ShorTie> my motto is, when i dought, wipe it out
[11:29] <ShorTie> it's those unintended consequences that get me at times, lol.
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[11:40] <RaycisCharles> Yo ShorTie.
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[11:45] <ShorTie> yes sir
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[13:39] <tkonto> Has anyone successfully used raspbmc with wifi (802.11b)?
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[14:57] <gyeben> hi
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[15:00] <gyeben> if I add framebuffer_depth=32 and framebuffer_ignore_alpha=1 to /boot/config.txt, then blue and red colours are swapped in Wolfram Mathematica
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[16:35] <mildused> hello. I am new
[16:36] <mildused> is anyone active?
[16:36] <nid0> people are most of the time
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[16:37] <mildused> oh I wanted to know about mathematica on rpi
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[16:39] <l403> hello
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[16:40] <mildused> does anyone currently have mathematica on their rpi?
[16:40] <l403> I am building a powersupply for rpi and due to voltage setting transistors, I am outputing 5.45V does anyone have bad experience with giving too much voltage?
[16:41] <Varan2> I have a SD card that did work with my raspberry pi, but now it does not anymore. The raspberry pi works with a other SD card.
[16:41] <l403> s/transistors/resistors
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[16:41] <Varan2> Does anyonre know how I can check was is wrong with the sdcard?
[16:41] <nid0> "doesnt work" how, does the pi not read it at all?
[16:42] <Varan2> I have a red light on the raspberry pi and no green light
[16:42] <Varan2> so i dont think it reads it
[16:43] <mildused> is anyone online that can help a noob with rpi?
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[16:43] <l403> Varan2: cover up the PWR light and look very carefully if the light above is blinking very faintly
[16:44] <l403> mildused: the general role is Don't ask to ask. Just ask what you need
[16:44] <l403> rule
[16:44] <Varan2> l403: what should i be carefully for ... I mean what should i look out for?
[16:45] <l403> Varan2: my light blinks very faintly so its hard to see it blinking without covering up the PWR led
[16:45] <mildused> how well does mathematica work on rpi?
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[16:47] <Varan2> l403: the green light is very strong when it does work
[16:47] <l403> ok then
[16:47] <l403> mildused: http://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/features/system-requirements.html what do you think?
[16:47] <Varan2> But this time I did get the boot screen ....
[16:48] <mildused> "2 GB+ recommended"
[16:48] <l403> well sd cards are generally very unreliable so stick it in a laptop and do some checking on whatevery OS you are using
[16:48] <gyeben> mildused: it's not particularly fast, but it's usable
[16:50] <Varan2> l403: ... now it doesn work anymore ... how should I check it?
[16:50] <Varan2> I have linux here
[16:50] <mildused> and how long will it be free so that i know to not reinstall software after the promotion ends
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[16:54] <l403> Varan2: fdisk -l would be a good start
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[16:55] <Varan2> l403: nothing strange
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[17:25] <mildused> how would i convince someone to buy raspberry pi?
[17:25] <mildused> (my father)
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[17:28] <nid0> why does he need to buy one?
[17:30] <mildused> for me
[17:30] <ppq> for educational purposes, obviously
[17:30] <mildused> i told him about mathematica being free and thats a plus
[17:31] <mildused> but we dont have an hdmi monitor. possible to do hdmi to vga
[17:31] <ppq> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Display_adapters
[17:33] <ppq> "[...] But note that if they feed off the PI it can cause a problem, as the PI only is designed to provide about 50mA to the (HDMI or DVI-D) monitor, and these adapters use >200mA, while the absolute maximum the PI can let through is 200mA. These adapters also thus use about half the energy that the PI (without USB devices) uses. Therefore its much better to use an adapter that has an external power input. Alternatively there are HDMI dongles (male to fem
[17:33] <ppq> ale HDMI adapters) that have a barrel input connector to feed the adapter with. "
[17:33] <ppq> it's probably easier to do everything over ssh, without a display
[17:34] <mgottschlag> mildused: also, HDMI to DVI is easier than VGA
[17:34] <mgottschlag> and the adapters are cheaper
[17:35] <mgottschlag> mildused: what do you want to do with the pi btw?
[17:38] <mildused> just mess with it
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[17:38] <mildused> i have a data analysis class coming up and mathematica is required also
[17:38] <mildused> rather not pay for it or crack it
[17:39] <mildused> but my monitor only has VGA
[17:40] <ppq> can't you use an old CRT tv with the fbas connector?
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[17:40] <mildused> i only have a flat panel monitor
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[17:42] <mildused> is it true that it also saves energy
[17:42] <mildused> currently using 300W desktop
[17:43] <ppq> yes
[17:43] <ppq> a pi will draw 1% of that
[17:43] <mildused> so my energy bill for this device will be 100 times less
[17:44] <ppq> probably not, since it's also 100 times slower ;)
[17:44] <ppq> (not really 100x though, but significantly slower)
[17:45] <mgottschlag> yeah, a pi is unusable for everyday work
[17:45] <mildused> what about to just check email
[17:45] <mildused> would it be usable
[17:45] <ppq> using a browser is quite painful already
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[17:46] <gyeben> mgottschlag: well, it depends on what you call everyday work
[17:46] <gyeben> but then, you don't necessarily need a browser to check your email
[17:46] <mgottschlag> that, and probably on my definition of unusable :)
[17:48] <mildused> and how long would a pi last with chromium and usage like a regular computer
[17:48] <gyeben> mildused: checking emails should be OK
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[17:50] <mildused> ok emails is good
[17:50] <mildused> and what about voip
[17:50] <keetrainchild> mildused, the Raspberry Pi (B model) has 512MB of R.A.M., which is passably enough for minor tasks if you use a very light window manager.
[17:51] <keetrainchild> The C.P.U. is very slow, though, like the equivalent of a PIII, I think.
[17:51] <sney> oh not even close to a p3
[17:51] <mildused> ok
[17:51] <keetrainchild> So if you try to run Chromium, it might not quite be enough.
[17:51] <Steve_Ballmer> 300-400mh pentium 2
[17:51] <Steve_Ballmer> mhz*
[17:51] <mildused> but the default browser is midora?
[17:52] <Steve_Ballmer> Pentium 3 isn't really that slow tbh D:
[17:52] <Steve_Ballmer> well I guess it is these days
[17:52] <gyeben> mildused: yes, but it's spelled midori
[17:52] <Steve_Ballmer> depends on your use :)
[17:52] <ppq> if you just want to save power, buy a new notebook/netbook to replace your 300 W machine. depending on usage, electricity costs and hardware prices in your country, it will pay for itself after 0.5 to 4 years
[17:52] <keetrainchild> No, I used a PIII with 128MB R.A.M. for normal use a few years ago, and it wasn't TOO slow..
[17:52] <mildused> but I haven't seen power saving like this
[17:53] <mildused> this is wonderful
[17:53] <mildused> not only power usage
[17:53] <mildused> i probably will get it for mathematica
[17:53] <keetrainchild> You might want to get a Netbook or something.
[17:53] <Steve_Ballmer> it entirely depends on your use i guess -- I still use a pentium 3 server as my home NAS server (well, not currently, as I broke the PSU)
[17:53] <keetrainchild> I mean, how much wattage are you hoping to use?
[17:53] <mildused> i dont have a limit or anything
[17:53] <keetrainchild> I was using my PIII for web browsing, editing documents, chatting...
[17:53] <mgottschlag> mildused: btw, doesn't your school have a mathematica volume license?
[17:54] <mildused> i am in high school and they don't offer advanced courses
[17:54] <mildused> i finished all of the ap's the school offers
[17:54] <keetrainchild> Well, a laptop might use as little as 40W or even less.
[17:54] <ppq> 40? that's a lot actually
[17:54] <mildused> keetrainchild power is not the only thing. it is also a cool experience
[17:54] <ppq> my desktop computer with an i7 uses less in idle
[17:55] <mildused> can i use pi for free calling?
[17:55] <keetrainchild> My desktop (with an NVidia graphics card) uses about 70W when idle.
[17:55] <mgottschlag> mildused: there isn't much VOIP software which runs on the pi
[17:55] <keetrainchild> My new Lenovo with a Haswell i3 has a 65W A.C. adapter, but I don't know how much it actually uses.
[17:56] <keetrainchild> The H.P. laptops with solid state drives come with 45W adapters, I think.
[17:56] <mgottschlag> you can use SIP, but that is about it iirc
[17:56] <keetrainchild> and those have no optical drives
[17:56] <keetrainchild> So I think that 40 is a good midrange estimate, between idleness and full load.
[17:56] <ppq> keetrainchild: won't be more than 50 max. while charging or 30 whithout charging. about 10 in idle
[17:57] <ppq> err, s/30/20/
[17:57] <mgottschlag> mildused: the best part about the pi is the load of GPIOs, it is a great device for hardware tinkering, but if you are not into that, then there might be better devices
[17:58] <mgottschlag> well, and some people say that it is a decent media center
[17:58] <mildused> browsing, wolfram, power saving its all good
[17:58] <mildused> what about video playback
[17:58] <keetrainchild> A Raspberry Pi is not really meant to be used as a normal computer.
[17:58] <mgottschlag> mildused: no flash
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[17:58] <mgottschlag> and hardware acceleration will not be great
[17:58] <mildused> i meant off a flash drive
[17:58] <mgottschlag> or is there flash now?
[17:59] <mildused> like a mp4 or avi
[17:59] <ppq> there's gnash but that's not nice
[17:59] <mgottschlag> well, anything from local file system should work
[17:59] <mgottschlag> ppq: yeah, that doesn't count :D
[17:59] <keetrainchild> It actually has a good video processor, I think, but I am not sure that all distributions support it.
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[17:59] <mgottschlag> well, I think all do, as soon as the right player is used
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[17:59] <gyeben> mildused: you can watch h264 at FullHD, and many other formats at SD resolution
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[18:00] <mildused> gyeben sorry but i am a 14 year old who is new to this
[18:00] <mildused> h264??
[18:00] <gyeben> h264 is a codec
[18:00] <ppq> btw, what is the max. bitrate for 1080p h264 the pi supports without stuttering?
[18:00] <Ricksl> it is a video codec
[18:00] <keetrainchild> It's a good-quality/compression video codec.
[18:00] <mildused> like mp4
[18:01] <mildused> and is it capable of playing video without the audio and video to get out of sync?
[18:01] <keetrainchild> I am guessing that full H.D. is 1080p3
[18:01] <keetrainchild> 1080p
[18:01] <keetrainchild> For me, if I encode something at 1080p with h264, it's 3 to 7 Mbps, I think.
[18:01] <keetrainchild> or is that the wrong b/B...
[18:01] <mgottschlag> mildused: btw, do you have linux experience? :)
[18:02] <mildused> using it right now
[18:02] <mildused> ubuntu 12.10
[18:02] <ppq> keetrainchild: and for decoding?
[18:02] <mildused> 13.10*
[18:02] <mildused> ok just placed an order for the model B
[18:02] <gyeben> mildused: well, what kind of videos will you try to watch on your Pi?
[18:03] <mildused> movies
[18:03] <mildused> indian movies
[18:03] <mildused> about 3-4 hours
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[18:03] <keetrainchild> It's the same bitrate.
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[18:04] <mildused> the main reason i am getting this is for budget
[18:04] <keetrainchild> I am trying to remember, and of course I don't have any of the files that I encoded because I put them on a different drive, so I can't check without leaving where I am sitting.
[18:04] <ecksun> how would I go about installing debian on a raspberry pi?
[18:04] <mildused> and what is the recommended os for pi
[18:04] <keetrainchild> I would use Raspbian.
[18:05] <gyeben> I would use Raspbian, too.
[18:05] <keetrainchild> Get a copy of NOOBS -- that has images of the most popular distributions. :)
[18:05] <ecksun> I do not want to
[18:05] <mildused> and what about coding with it
[18:05] <keetrainchild> Raspbian is basically Debian compiled for the Raspberry Pi C.P.U.
[18:06] <gyeben> mildused: well, you write your own apps on a Pi
[18:06] <sney> right, it's a recompile because debian armhf only supports armv7 chips and newer, and the pi is armv6.
[18:06] <sney> the raspbian developer is also a debian developer.
[18:07] <ecksun> raspbian is not debian, its a fork with different repositories
[18:07] <nid0> yes, its a fork because debian doesnt work on the pi.
[18:07] <sney> it's not debian in the sense that it has different repositories and isn't supported in #debian, but it operates exactly the same
[18:07] <keetrainchild> https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi
[18:07] <nid0> so if you want debian on the pi, conjure up some magic and make it work.
[18:07] <nid0> or use raspbian like everyone else
[18:07] <chithead> all officially recommended distros on the download page are now built for armv6+hardfp. raspbian is debian for armv6+hardfp, plus some proprietary bits that are needed for the rpi
[18:07] <ecksun> armel should work fine
[18:07] <sney> you *can* use debian armel on the pi. but it is super painfully slow.
[18:08] <keetrainchild> Title: Can I Put Debian on My Raspberry Pi?
[18:08] <ecksun> what I'm having troubles with is the custom boot stuff required in a raspbery pi
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[18:08] <chithead> there is nothing special, when you built the kernel just run the mkimage.py script on it and it will boot fine
[18:09] <keetrainchild> It's amazing what Googling 'Debian Raspberry Pi' will find. :)
[18:09] <ecksun> which script?
[18:09] <ecksun> keetrainchild, yeah, I can only find a bunch of raspbian stuff
[18:09] <mildused> gyeben: what is the lifespan if i do use it like a regular computer
[18:09] <keetrainchild> ecksun: https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi
[18:10] <chithead> ah sorry it was imagetool-uncompressed.py and you can get in from here https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools
[18:10] <ecksun> keetrainchild, yeah, I cant find any information about how to get the installer running from there
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[18:12] <ecksun> chithead, hmm, interesting
[18:13] <chithead> instructions on how to build the kernel and use the imagetool can be found on http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Compiling_the_kernel (you need a cross compiler for armv6+hardfp target)
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[18:15] <keetrainchild> Chithead, have you found much of a benefit to running Gentoo on a Raspberry Pi?
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[18:15] <keetrainchild> Gentoo is my main O.S., but I haven't tried it on my PRi yet.
[18:16] <ecksun> chithead, hmm, alright
[18:16] <ecksun> not really optimal
[18:16] <ecksun> but perhaps a solution
[18:16] <chithead> building takes quite long, but if you have an existing package cross building infrastructure it is mostly acceptable
[18:17] <chithead> if you are experienced in those things it should not be difficult. for a novice gentoo user it would probably be not a good idea to install it on the pi
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[18:23] <ecksun> I dont really mind compiling, Im just lazy :)
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[18:23] <Tachyon`> compiling produces excellent opportunities for sword fights in addition to code
[18:23] <ecksun> I'm curious on how debian would keep /boot up to date
[18:24] <Tachyon`> I think the pi specific repositories do that
[18:24] <ecksun> yeah, exactly
[18:24] <ecksun> I would really prefer not to have to use them
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[18:24] <Tachyon`> erm, why?
[18:25] <ecksun> they contain non-free software
[18:25] <Tachyon`> unavoidable if you want the GPU to work afaik
[18:25] <ecksun> i dont need the GPU
[18:25] <ecksun> more than for booting
[18:25] <Tachyon`> yes you do, it boots the cpu
[18:25] <ecksun> yeah, I have relaized
[18:25] <chithead> raspbian comes with rpi-update script which downloads the non-free blobs for you
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[18:25] <ecksun> yes, I have looked at the script
[18:26] <ecksun> and the non-free blobs are fine (well, not really, but I can live with it)
[18:26] <Tachyon`> anyone know if the risc os in noobs has been fixed yet?
[18:26] <chithead> for debian you would have to use that script or download the firmware manually
[18:26] <ecksun> but I need to update the kernel in /boot as well
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[18:27] <Tachyon`> it was extremely broken when last I tried it (couple o fmonths go) due to the use of a very old rom
[18:27] <Tachyon`> which I'd replace manually but I can't seem to find it
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[18:35] <chithead> update-rpi can optionally update the kernel too
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[18:39] <ecksun> chithead, yeah, do you know where it gets the kernel?
[18:40] <chithead> there is a precompiled kernel in raspberrypi/firmware on github
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[19:17] <phw> I am trying to set up a gpio display with my rpi but it only works only upon first installation and only once. I follow the guide from: https://github.com/watterott/RPi-Display Can someone help me out?
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[19:22] <gyeben> if I add framebuffer_depth=32 and framebuffer_ignore_alpha=1 to /boot/config.txt, then blue and red colours are swapped in the fullscreen slideshow mode of LibreOffice
[19:22] <gyeben> why is that happening?
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[19:24] <phw> FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument
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[19:42] <raidensnake> any news on the android ports?
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> does anyone care?
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> given the latest android is slow on anything but a top-end device, android on the Pi is going to be really slow )-:
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[19:48] <raidensnake> geez just asking that's all.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm just getting used to my Nexus 5 now though - my only slightly older 8" tablet feels really slow by comparison & that has a dual processor in it...
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> it's ok to ask.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> I just see the reality of it all - nice idea, but ...
[19:49] <nid0> my 2013 nexus 7 flies, but a friend's 2012 nexus 7 is kinda sluggish
[19:49] <nid0> she does have a lot of junk on it though
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> wifey just re-images ger Samsung G2 with jelly bean - it's a lot faster than it was - but battery life is worse...
[19:50] * nid0 hugs wp8
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> admittedly my tablet is a somewhat cheap 8" one: Sumovision Cyclone - under �100...
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[19:59] <johniscool> kit kat is supposed to be much faster on older hardware
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> my tablet & wifeys phone won't run it - or (more likely) the makers haven't provided it yet.
[19:59] <raidensnake> most won't
[20:00] <johniscool> Yea, but hopefully the community will port most phones
[20:00] <johniscool> *popular phones
[20:00] <johniscool> something about ART being used
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm just getting old, but my interest in it all is waning somewhat. I just want a phone that does what its supposed to do...
[20:01] <johniscool> gordonDrogon, theres nothing wrong with that. I just like messing with my phones
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> wish I had more time (more likely the cause of my lack of interest!)
[20:02] <johniscool> Do you have an android?
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> me? sure. nexus 5 & a cheap tablet.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> and an older HTC Desire Z.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> I miss the keyboard on my DZ.
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[20:05] <johniscool> It is kind of fun to put custom firmware on android
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[20:06] <johniscool> But it can totally mess things up if you arent careful
[20:06] <johniscool> or are unlucky
[20:06] <johniscool> so officially, I dont think you should haha
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[20:08] <gordonDrogon> I did look at cyanogen on my HTC-DZ, but it seemed hard work rooting it, etc.
[20:09] <[Saint]> These days, its so trivial, its not een funny.
[20:09] <[Saint]> *even, too.
[20:10] <[Saint]> current/future CM support has become a *requirement* at purchase time for me.
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[20:11] <[Saint]> Unless you have a Nexus, its pretty much the only way you'll ever see timely OS/security updates.
[20:11] <[Saint]> And *if* you have a Nexus, its like ading awesome to awesome. :)
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[20:12] <[Saint]> KitKat seriously dropping device requirements also means that vendors have very little excuse for the massive fleet of devices /still/ stuck on Gingerbread. Its disgusting.
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[20:18] <johniscool> Saint, but why would they ever update?
[20:19] <johniscool> Saint, then you would never buy the new phone with kitkat
[20:19] <[Saint]> Because Android from that era is riddled with security holes.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I'm still fairly benused by the voice recognition.
[20:19] <[Saint]> They should care about that.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> *bemused.
[20:19] <[Saint]> And, y'know...that whole Android Update Alliance thing.
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[20:20] <gyeben> #raspbian
[20:20] <[Saint]> ...absolute joke that is/was.
[20:20] <johniscool> Saint, luckily theres a community on xda to help with that
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> about 34 years ago I experimented with some voice recognition on an 1MHz, 8-bit computer with 48KB of RAM...
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> sadly, I'm not seeing the advances I think I should be seeing.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm expecting too much.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> however in over 30 years... what's happened?
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> )-:
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> and they told me computers would make my life easier... I wish!
[20:21] <[Saint]> "Hello, Goole. Flying phone activate"
[20:21] * [Saint] throws a g in there somewhere
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:21] <johniscool> gordondrogon, did you program that?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> johniscool, no - I wrote some programs using the software - on an Apple II ..
[20:22] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: the problem with voice recognition, is, its *hard*.
[20:22] <[Saint]> Knowing what you /said/, trivial.
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> it was fairly crude - learn/test type of thing, but it seemed very effective at the time
[20:22] <[Saint]> Knowing what you *mean*....very, very hard.
[20:22] <[Saint]> Two different things.
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> even knowing what you said - then you just feed that into google :)
[20:23] <[Saint]> And they want it to be as natural as possible, to understand simply worded human questions.
[20:23] <[Saint]> Not specific match phrases.
[20:23] <[Saint]> It has come a long way, really.
[20:23] <[Saint]> Try asking Google now naturally worded questions.
[20:23] <[Saint]> Like, if it'll rain today.
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> and see you, jimmy, unerstaunin' ma scotch accent is kinna hard, ye ken?
[20:23] <[Saint]> Or what the weather is like next sunday, etc.
[20:23] <[Saint]> Its pretty smart.
[20:23] <johniscool> do you program today?
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> ok google - will it rain today.
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> and stack me sideways, she said yes.
[20:24] <Tachyon`> this really is virtually unusable
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> and pulled up a weather chart.
[20:24] <[Saint]> "Yes, there is a 70% chance of rain today"
[20:24] <[Saint]> - what I got.
[20:25] <[Saint]> Have fun. :)
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> maybe its improving and I'm not giving it enough credit.
[20:25] <[Saint]> It will get smarter as Google now learns about you.
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> does it learn my accent?
[20:25] <[Saint]> Eventually, it'll start giving you travel notifications for traffic before you need to leave for work.
[20:26] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[20:26] <[Saint]> It learns from your habits.
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> Gordon, the route from the bedroom to your office is littered with dirty washing. maybe it's time to go to the laundry?
[20:26] <Tachyon`> Does /anyone/ know how to fix the overscan in NOOBS? editing config.txt from within it (the recovery options) had exactly zero effect
[20:26] <Tachyon`> and I do not like risc os with a 3 inch border all around the display -.-
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> yes, I'm not sure I like just how much google is learning about me and my environment/habits...
[20:27] <[Saint]> that's the rub.
[20:27] <[Saint]> Make it easy and fun to give up your data.
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> like playing Ingress t- build up a global database of photos of historical sites, etc.
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> and maybe to get me walking further than from my bedroom to the office next door...
[20:28] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, I compiled wiringPi on a 6 rpi distcc system yesterday
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, er, good show that man! But it only takes 30 seconds to compile on one Pi...
[20:28] <rikkib> 50 seconds with a single process and 35 seconds with 6
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> however compiling RTB/FUZE Basic does take 90 seconds if I edit a key file ...
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[20:29] <gyeben> can anyone help with this problem: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=67657?
[20:29] <[Saint]> ...and here's me thinking "Gee, wait until he finds out that, even if "disabled", Google is always silently scanning for location vs. SSID"
[20:29] <[Saint]> (unless specifically disabled, with a rather hidden setting)
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], yes, I know that.
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[20:29] <[Saint]> AH. That one usually takes people by surprise.
[20:29] <ilidur> I'm trying to get GPIO working and I'm not getting anything. I'm using the python GPIO and to the best of my electrical knowledge the setup is correct but I'm not getting any output to an LED
[20:29] <[Saint]> Google's "creepy stalker-mode"
[20:29] <rikkib> Changes to the build script required... -j6 CC=distcc
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[20:30] <gordonDrogon> ilidur, do you have wiringPi installed? if not, I'd suggest installing it - if nothing else, you get a handy command-line tool that lets you play with the GPIO before diving into coding.
[20:30] <ilidur> thanks gordonDrogon
[20:30] <rikkib> and two directories did not like distcc compile
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> ilidur, http://wiringpi.com/download/
[20:32] <rikkib> Is there a way of passing the above variables to the build script... I don't think there is from reading it.
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, don't think so.
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[20:35] <rikkib> Highlights the difference between build scripts and make builds
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[20:35] <rikkib> build scripts are not friendly for distcc
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> next release will feature a top-level Makefile.
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> that just seemed a good idea at the time.
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> as it sort of grew...
[20:36] <rikkib> If you let me know and I will throw it at my 6 rpi distcc system
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> part of the issue is people not understanding it - too many used to arduino's copy & paste ideas, etc.
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> so you make it as easy as possible (hopefully)
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[20:38] <rikkib> I did similar with one of my private projects... created a build script
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[20:39] <rikkib> was the quickest way
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[20:39] <gordonDrogon> and look at sendmail - it uses somewhat large build script still!
[20:40] <rikkib> I use sendmail on my mail server
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> hurrah :)
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> I've been using it for a very long time now...
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> once upon a time I used to hand edit sendmail.cf too...
[20:41] <rikkib> It is great as it just keeps keeping on
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[20:41] <gordonDrogon> after lots and lots of therapy, I think I've mostly recovered. ...
[20:42] * [Saint] has an irreversible data scrambling program
[20:42] <rikkib> I have run sendmail since 1996
[20:42] <[Saint]> ...just try transferring anything over USB via recovery, apparently
[20:43] * gordonDrogon tries to remember... very early 90's when that company got an PSS connection which it ran over, then a "real" internet connection about 92,93 I think... long time back!
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> 96 I was working for an ISP, maintaining their sendmails.
[20:44] <rikkib> nanae?
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> ? are you refering to the usenet group? I so it's not one I ever poste dto.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> at least not that I remember.
[20:46] <rikkib> Yep
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> I maintained a bunch of usenet servers then too. back when it was possible to get (almost) everything in a timely manner on one server...
[20:46] <rikkib> In the old days lots of mail admins in nanae... Now days the news group is a bit of a joke
[20:47] <rikkib> But you can still ping steve linford in the group as well as sorbs
[20:47] <Tachyon`> oh well that was bloody obvious
[20:47] <Tachyon`> NOOBS creates an additional /boot/ partition for every OS
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> lovely.
[20:48] <Tachyon`> not quite the word I'd use
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[20:48] <Tachyon`> but have at least found the RISC OS one
[20:48] <Tachyon`> so can unbreak it
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest that the easiest way to avoid the border when running riscos is to not run riscos ;-)
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[20:48] <Tachyon`> ah, but I wanted to run a fast efficient OS with a real time kernel
[20:48] <Tachyon`> and that sure isn't linux
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[20:49] <gordonDrogon> real time or not, you'll still get jitter due to the DRAM and video refresh.
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[20:49] <gordonDrogon> oh, and welcome back to the 1990's :)
[20:49] <Tachyon`> yes, but won't get huge pauses while the kernel wanders off to do its own thing
[20:49] <Tachyon`> lol
[20:49] <Tachyon`> I have an Acorn A3020 here
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> I gave up on riscos when I got Linux. never looked back.
[20:49] <Tachyon`> although it's not exactly the same (3.1 vs 5 and rather less free, unfortunately)
[20:49] <rikkib> freeRTOS
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[20:51] <Tachyon`> the fact is RISC OS (also BBC Basic and its assembler) was damn fast on my old A3020, I'd quite like to see what it's capable of on here
[20:51] <Tachyon`> oh ffs
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I've seen it run
[20:51] <rikkib> I run up riscos... Seemed like a barren waste land
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, read the channel rules please...
[20:51] <Tachyon`> noobs is also sticking 0x0D on the end of every damn line
[20:51] <Tachyon`> in a unix config file
[20:51] <Tachyon`> yes, I have, that's why I didn't expand it
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> even unexpanded is frowned upon..
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[20:52] <rikkib> Ankle bitter friendly
[20:52] <ilidur> gordonDrogon: ok.. so I've set up wiringPi and it's still not working... not sure what the problem is... it's not the pin... the resistor is 220ohm... tried it without as well.. nothing
[20:52] <Tachyon`> yes yes
[20:52] <Tachyon`> noobs still has serious issues that should never have escaped
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> ilidur, hi - with wiringPi you can use the gpio command - e.g. gpio -g mode 17 out ; gpio -g write 17 1
[20:53] <Tachyon`> for example it adds to every config.txt file options that will break composite monitors
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> ilidur, and never ever use an LED withou a resistor - you'll potentially blow up the LED and the thing driving it...
[20:53] <Tachyon`> by forcing HDMI hotplug etc.
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[20:55] <Tachyon`> okay, having removed the overscan I still have overscan, just less of it, lol
[20:55] <ilidur> gordonDrogon: i tried it both through the c lib and gpio... i'll try another pi, see if that works
[20:56] <rikkib> Over can be set negative
[20:56] <mrmoney2012> another broken sd card slot - <sigh> - uk made Pi (modelB) 512mb. what options, does the foundation replace?
[20:56] <rikkib> Overscan
[20:56] <mrmoney2012> otherwise going on the bay ?
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> ilidur, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/ <-- start there
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[20:57] <Tachyon`> otoh, this mode 7 emulation is perfect
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> ye olde teletext mode.
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> shame there's no teletext now :)
[20:57] <Tachyon`> aye
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[20:57] <Tachyon`> I have a teletext/telesoftware adapter box for my BBC B
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[20:57] <Tachyon`> which is completely useless now
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> however I used it to good effect many many moons ago with a lot of BCPL I wrote...
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[20:58] <mrmoney2012> anyone know if CPC or the foundation replace Pi with broken SD card slots ?
[20:58] <Tachyon`> not if it wasn't broken on arrival
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> the person you bought it from if you bought it in the UK will replace it under the sale of goods act (and the DSR too)
[20:59] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure any of that counts if he broke it
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[20:59] <Tachyon`> the pound shop sell USB card readers with very desolderable SD etc. slots
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> he didn't say he broke it, did he?
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[21:00] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Can ask why you do not set up a nightly build of a deb file?
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, 'cos I don't have a deb file.
[21:01] <mrmoney2012> my 5 yr old broke it
[21:01] <mrmoney2012> not sure where that leaves me with sale of good act...
[21:01] <mrmoney2012> hehe
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> and when Ido get one (real soon now) I won't need a nightly build as I'll only release working versions (that's the theory)
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[21:01] <Tachyon`> can you solder?
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, ah, in that case it's rather tough luck... I thought it came broke.
[21:02] <mrmoney2012> was keen to swap openelec for his card with tux paint, tux math, tux typing, scratch etc !
[21:02] <Tachyon`> if so, go to pound shop as mentioned, buy a cheap usb card reader and replace the SD socket.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> yea, solder or superglue an SD card in...
[21:02] <mrmoney2012> bit too much pressure
[21:02] <mrmoney2012> hehe
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[21:02] <mrmoney2012> ok.. thanks for tips
[21:02] <Tachyon`> well, unless you can find an sd slot for less than a quid
[21:02] <Tachyon`> but I haven't yet
[21:02] <Tachyon`> it's ridiculous that a complete item is cheaper than a spare part it contains but not that unusual these days
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[21:06] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, It is kind of satisfying getting a project to the stage when you make a deb file.
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, yea, it's been on the cards for a long time - just need to stop some other stuff and make it happen.
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[21:10] <rikkib> I am still struggling with getting everything squared away with things like config files being overwritten
[21:11] <rikkib> Taking advantage of the fact i install my stuff on a fresh system makes one a little lazy
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[22:23] <magnulu> hello.. I am trying to connect 6 ds18b20 temp sensors to my pi.. they all work individually, but when connected together they don't show up.. is there any logical explanation to this?
[22:24] <magnulu> I use on 4k7 resistor.. cables used are gigaspeed ethernet cables where I only use three of the leads
[22:24] <magnulu> s/on/one
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[22:26] <rikkib> How long are the leads?
[22:27] <rikkib> I dare say six times would put to much capacitance on the line
[22:27] <rikkib> effecting the rise time
[22:28] <pwillard> I have 8 devices on my bus with a 2.7K pullup
[22:29] <rikkib> short cables?
[22:29] <pwillard> but I don't use bus scan... I call each device by it's serial number
[22:30] <magnulu> cables are 2-3 meters
[22:31] <magnulu> googled some more and found out my connection method might be wrong.. sorry for the missing vocabulary guys
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[22:31] <magnulu> I have wires from the appropriate pins on my pi to a "quick connection box with screws" (called sugarcube in my language)
[22:32] <pwillard> My wires are over 50ft
[22:32] <rikkib> That shoots down that theory
[22:33] <magnulu> then connect all the sensors directly into this.. a 6 cables into on hole.. some people recommend to use a daisy chain, which is not my way am I right?
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[22:37] <magnulu> pwillard: out of curiosity, how have you wired yours?
[22:37] <magnulu> both "technically" and practically
[22:37] <pwillard> I *only* daisy chain... why waste pins... 1-wire is supposed to have many devices on 1-data wire and GND
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[22:37] <pwillard> if you get no data when more are added, something is pulling down the bus.
[22:38] <magnulu> okay, then I misunderstood the daisy chain expression..
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[22:38] <magnulu> I could try to add a 2.2k pullup?
[22:39] <pwillard> do you have a pullup now?
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[22:40] <magnulu> yes, 4.7k
[22:40] <daveake> magnulu Are you connecting 2 or 3 pins on each DS17B20?
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[22:40] <daveake> 18
[22:40] <pwillard> if you run in parasitic mode, you connect both VCC and GND pin to GND
[22:42] <magnulu> I have 3 pins connected on each.. not parasitc mode as I understood it more prone to cause problems
[22:42] <daveake> Good, yes parasitic mode isn't reliable IME
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[22:47] <magnulu> but is my way of connecting the sensors to the pi satisfactory? all 6 individual leads connected together in one place.. d**n this is a different jargon for me, incredibly difficult
[22:48] <[Saint]> It depends on your use case, surely?
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[22:49] <[Saint]> Do you care if you know if a sensor fires, when one is already firing? Do you care about being able to detect exactly which sensor it is?
[22:49] <magnulu> for my use case it is satisfactory, what I wonder if it will work..
[22:49] <magnulu> what do you mean by firing?
[22:49] <[Saint]> true
[22:49] <[Saint]> As in "the true case for whatever you're detecting"
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[22:50] <magnulu> ok, so technically it should be working, good to know :)
[22:50] * [Saint] notes how difficult this must be when English isn;t a first language
[22:51] <magnulu> you don't say? :) trying to find words for all these objects I barely know what's called in my mothers tongue
[22:51] <daveake> It shouldn't matter if you connect Pi ---> 8 devices, or Pi --> device 1 --> 2 etc
[22:52] <daveake> [Saint] these devices area addressable
[22:52] <daveake> are
[22:52] <[Saint]> daveake: No, but if you have multiple sensors connected to a single pin, it may hamper the ability to detect them uniquely.
[22:52] <[Saint]> Ah, ok. Then, excellent.
[22:52] <daveake> No they have unique addresses
[22:53] <[Saint]> Right. I'm with it now. Then, yes. All is well.
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[22:57] <magnulu> well, nothings better for learning than troubleshooting is it
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[22:59] <rikkib> if it were not for the frustration factor
[23:01] <johniscool> Has anyone here gotten e17 working on debian on raspberry pi?
[23:04] <magnulu> pwillard: do you have one pullup near the pi?
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[23:09] <magnulu> I see a lot of tutorials stating that one 4.7k resistor should be good for multiple sensors.. strange
[23:13] <magnulu> well, will look more into this later.. thanks for the help so far guys
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[23:20] <pwillard> yes, 1 pullup, near the pi
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[23:56] <mixxit> hey guys
[23:56] <mixxit> i have a 1 second delay with my mouse and keyboard
[23:56] <mixxit> i came to ask a few days ago but nobody knew the answer
[23:56] <mixxit> just wondering if anyone might know?
[23:56] <mixxit> my keyboard is usb 100ma 5v
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[23:59] <SpeedEvil> mixxit: that's not really a question
[23:59] <SpeedEvil> what do you mean - a 1 second delay?

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