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IRC Log for 2014-01-29

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[0:00] <Laire> with how much mA, I have to calculate for LED's qt GPIO?
[0:00] <DeliriumTremens> eh
[0:00] <MProg> reminds me of that crazy guy who got linux running on an 8 bit microcontroller :p
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[0:00] <DeliriumTremens> i used qemu to emulate DOS and it was ungodly slow
[0:01] <shiftplusone> Laire, I don't what what you said, but go with 10mA (16mA max)
[0:01] <DeliriumTremens> i spent weeks getting it just right
[0:01] <DeliriumTremens> and it was still shit
[0:01] <shiftplusone> DeliriumTremens, family friendly channel
[0:01] <DeliriumTremens> oops sorry
[0:02] <shiftplusone> np
[0:02] <shiftplusone> rpix86 seems to be fast
[0:02] <shiftplusone> but not really useful for running anything modern 'course
[0:02] <Laire> @shiftplusone I want to connect a LED on a GPIO Pin. And for
[0:02] <Laire> » Übersetzung(en) tabellarisch anzeigen | immer
[0:02] <Laire> » Übersetzungen mit gleichem Wortanfang
[0:02] <Laire> » RES | resist | resistor
[0:02] <Laire> NOUN a resistor | resistors
[0:02] <Laire> SYNO resistance | resistor
[0:02] <Laire> resistorups
[0:02] <Laire> ups
[0:02] <Laire> srry
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[0:03] <MProg> http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
[0:03] <MProg> :p
[0:03] <MProg> "uARM is certainly no speed demon. It takes about 2 hours to boot to bash prompt ("init=/bin/bash" kernel command line). Then 4 more hours to boot up the entire Ubuntu ("exec init" and then login). Starting X takes a lot longer."
[0:03] <MProg> :D
[0:03] <Laire> @shiftplusone I want to connect a LED on a GPIO Pin. And for the resistor calculation I need a mA value
[0:04] <shiftplusone> Laire, yeah, 10mA to be safe.
[0:04] <Laire> ok thx
[0:04] <shiftplusone> np
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[0:07] <Mallot1> you know what, does anyone who if VMWare is o linux?
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[0:08] <shiftplusone> O_o
[0:08] <shiftplusone> need moar words
[0:08] <Mallot1> and if anyone wants i could give you a VMWare Workstation 10 licence key
[0:09] <MProg> sounds fishy :p
[0:09] <Mallot1> no i had an exta code
[0:11] <Mallot1> VMWare Workstation 10: NA0RU-2YLE0-6ZMX9-HH35P-034L1
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[0:14] <felixjet_> hi
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[0:16] <Mallot1> hi felixjet_
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[0:28] <felixjet_> does raspberry pi works decent for a development web server?
[0:29] <felixjet_> like nginx+php+mysql+node stack
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[0:29] <felixjet_> instead of develop locally, use a rpi
[0:29] <felixjet_> or it will be slow?
[0:31] <shiftplusone> felixjet_, I am playing around with flask + nginx right now and it's great
[0:31] <shiftplusone> I've had wordpress running, which needs php and mysql as well
[0:31] <shiftplusone> and that also works fine
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[0:32] <felixjet_> im tired of using a hyper-v VM for my linux box :(
[0:32] <shiftplusone> Probably wouldn't use it as a production server, but it's great for testing and running small scale things
[0:33] <felixjet_> i own an arduino too, so probably the rip will give me some good times nerd-ing with both
[0:33] <felixjet_> what do you mean small scale?
[0:33] <felixjet_> i wont use it for production
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[0:33] <felixjet_> but probably not-so-small scale
[0:34] <shiftplusone> I don't know how many connections the pi can handle with nginx
[0:35] <felixjet_> well, for development, there will only 1 connection, dont ?
[0:35] <felixjet_> will be*
[0:35] <shiftplusone> how is that not-so-small scale then, heh?
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[0:35] <felixjet_> i mean intense mysql and php site
[0:35] <felixjet_> not a simple blog
[0:36] <shiftplusone> as a data point... owncloud is a bit on the heavy side
[0:36] <shiftplusone> php starts to time out and things are noticeably slow.
[0:37] <felixjet_> ouch
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[0:37] <shiftplusone> but with some optimization, some people (well, 1 guy that I know of) got it running fine, though he was using Apache
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[0:39] <felixjet_> i dont want to wait 10 seconds for every page reload xD
[0:39] <shiftplusone> well, you can bring it down to as little as 5 =P
[0:40] <felixjet_> still! xD
[0:40] <felixjet_> for development is too much
[0:40] <shiftplusone> Good way to start optimizing your code then, ey?
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[0:43] <felixjet_> its a framework xd
[0:44] <shiftplusone> Are frameworks immune to inefficient code? D=
[0:44] <Hedge|Hog> totally agree, if your code is to slow for one user on a pi, how will a 10 000 times faster server handle as many connections?
[0:44] <DeliriumTremens> at least 9999 times better
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[0:45] <Hedge|Hog> *as many, as in as faster
[0:45] <felixjet_> well, owncloud takes like 5-10 seconds to load from what i see
[0:45] <felixjet_> inefficient?
[0:46] <felixjet_> or just rpi cant handle it?
[0:46] <shiftplusone> 5-10 sounds about right from my testing. but with php apc, or whatever it's called, it seemed to be almost usable.
[0:46] <shiftplusone> No idea... my experience with owncloud indicates it's a little 'eh'
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[0:47] <shiftplusone> but that's mostly due to the experience with the slowness on the pi and the pc client segfaulting on launch
[0:48] <felixjet_> well, im used to press save and automatically my browser updates with livereload
[0:48] <felixjet_> if i have to wait 3-5 seconds for every change i make...
[0:48] <felixjet_> it will be a pain
[0:48] <shiftplusone> doesn't hurt to try and see how it goes
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[0:48] <shiftplusone> (and report back, since it's good to know)
[0:49] <felixjet_> but i must buy a rpi then :(
[0:49] <felixjet_> i dont own any
[0:49] <felixjet_> time ago i wanted one
[0:49] <felixjet_> but my arduino is in the closet gathering dust
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[0:52] <shiftplusone> You wouldn't exactly have to dip in your life savings. But on the other hand, why a pi when a VM is faster?
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[0:54] <felixjet_> cause i use gentoo and its a pain to use on a VM
[0:54] <felixjet_> its so hard to get it running
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[0:54] <felixjet_> kernel and module stuff
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[0:54] <felixjet_> not very supported
[0:55] <shiftplusone> then use genkernel... or something other than gentoo?
[0:55] <shiftplusone> gentoo on a pi isn't going to be any better D=
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[0:56] <felixjet_> but at least is supported
[0:57] <felixjet_> also i run out of ram, so i would need to get some
[0:57] <felixjet_> 70$
[0:57] <felixjet_> for that price i can get 2 x rpi xD
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[0:59] <shiftplusone> I think it makes sense if you already have a pi, but otherwise, you can do a lot more in a VM
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[1:07] <felixjet_> shiftplusone, https://gist.github.com/hdogan/5467738
[1:07] <felixjet_> i found some benchmarks
[1:07] <felixjet_> using nginx + php w/o APC and laravel framework
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[1:08] <felixjet_> almost 3 requests per second
[1:08] <felixjet_> does that means it will run without problems?
[1:09] <shiftplusone> no idea. I am not into that sort of thing myself, so those numbers don't mean much to me
[1:09] <felixjet_> ah ok, sorry :P
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[1:17] <shiftplusone> interesting if you're into that sort of thing http://meatfighter.com/nintendotetrisai/
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[1:21] <felixjet_> my server handle 7.78 #/sec
[1:21] <felixjet_> but i used ab remotely
[1:22] <felixjet_> not on localhost
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[1:44] <felixjet_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_r3z1jYHAc << OMG ! xD
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[1:44] <felixjet_> 33 rpis
[1:44] <felixjet_> so beautiful
[1:45] <IT_Sean> pretttttty
[1:46] <shiftplusone> needs more duct tape
[1:46] <felixjet_> hahaa
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[2:03] <Clubsam13> hello
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[2:04] <Clubsam13> is canyon firmiliar with retroopie
[2:05] <danielforsyth> hello, I run some python scripts to grab tweets and put them into a mongodb db for for further analysis (usually during sports games) and I was wondering if a pi would be able to handle this. So I could say remote in run the script and then get the data off later when i get home
[2:05] <Clubsam13> is anyone firmiliar with the retropie
[2:05] <shiftplusone> danielforsyth, I don't see why not
[2:06] <Clubsam13> has anyone downloaded mam onto the raspberry pi in retropie
[2:06] <danielforsyth> great thanks shiftplusone, is setting up for remote login in on the pi fairly straightforward
[2:07] <Clubsam13> mame
[2:07] <ebarch> danielforsyth: i know ARM support has been weak for mongodb...i think there's a version in the works though
[2:07] <shiftplusone> danielforsyth, yeah, it's trivial.
[2:07] <danielforsyth> great thanks
[2:07] <shiftplusone> danielforsyth, once you have raspbian installed, ssh is already enabled.
[2:08] <danielforsyth> @ebarch do you know of any other solutions i basically just throw all the tweets into mongodb and then output a csv at the end, would another option be more feasible on the pi?
[2:08] <Clubsam13> I'm trying to install mamefor the raspberry pi in retro pie emulator system
[2:09] <shiftplusone> danielforsyth, you're not doing anything too fancy, even a flat file will work.
[2:09] <ebarch> why mongodb? seems mysql or postgre would work as well. python/mongodb is a fine solution, just not sure how easy/possible it is to get mongodb on a pi
[2:09] <ebarch> that too
[2:09] <Clubsam13> can anyone help me I need to know how to open and run zip for files on the raspberry pi lxxterminial
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[2:10] <ebarch> Clubsam13: should be able to just type unzip FILENAME
[2:10] <shiftplusone> or 'man unzip'
[2:11] <danielforsyth> @ebarch I'm still fairly new to all of this and mongodb was part of a tutorial i followed should i look into using mysql or posture?
[2:11] <shiftplusone> as for 'running' a zip, that makes no sense. It depends on what's inside the archive.
[2:11] <Clubsam13> so man and them for instance MarioKart64.zip and it will unpack?
[2:11] <shiftplusone> Clubsam13, 'man' brings up a manual page.
[2:12] <shiftplusone> Clubsam13, which tells you all the options the command has. so 'man unzip' will tell you how to use 'unzip'.
[2:12] <shiftplusone> Clubsam13, google is also very helpful.
[2:12] <ebarch> danielforsyth: there's 100 different tools you could use...don't worry about the 'one right way'...just pick something and go with it.
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[2:13] <ebarch> mysql does run out of the box on the pi "sudo apt-get install mysql-server"
[2:13] <shiftplusone> Seems to be a big hurdle for beginners... wondering if they are using the right tool because some guy on the internet used another.
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[2:14] <danielforsyth> okay great thanks for your help @ebarch and @shiftplusone
[2:14] <ebarch> good luck =)
[2:14] <shiftplusone> good luck
[2:14] <Clubsam13> thanks the emulator said the extent ion is.zip to run the emulator in this case Mame so should I not unzip it and leave it a zip or uncomplie it ?
[2:15] <shiftplusone> as far as I know, mame can work with zip files, yes.
[2:15] <Clubsam13> OK so don't unzip it ?
[2:16] <shiftplusone> You won't break anything if you get it wrong.
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[2:19] <Clubsam13> OK just ran The man unzip gonna try' man Mame0152s.zip unzip'
[2:19] <shiftplusone> doesn't work that way
[2:20] <Clubsam13> oh
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[2:22] <Clubsam13> OK gonna try it thanks man
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[3:03] <rikkib> Now I have to find more jumper wires to connect the second nRF24L01+ to another RPi... Looks like the first one I hooked up is working.
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[3:25] <felixjet_> why there is no newer raspberry models ?
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[3:31] <shiftplusone> because there's no need for it
[3:31] <shiftplusone> no gaps in that market
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[3:35] <felixjet_> i wish there is a rpi 1ghz 1gb ram
[3:35] <felixjet_> maybe just because im addicted to numbers in specs
[3:35] <felixjet_> :D
[3:35] <ebarch> beaglebne black is probably the next step up
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[3:35] <ebarch> love mine for non video tasks
[3:36] <shiftplusone> felipealmeida, then why go for an rpi at all?
[3:36] <shiftplusone> felipealmeida, sorry
[3:36] <shiftplusone> *felixjet_, >=/
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[3:37] <felixjet_> because of community i guess!
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[3:38] <shiftplusone> fair enough
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[3:39] <shiftplusone> for me, it's price. If it was in the same range as a beaglebone black, I probably wouldn't be here.
[3:39] <felixjet_> i was looking at the odroid u3
[3:39] <felixjet_> 1.7 quad core + 2gb ram
[3:39] <felixjet_> sounds so good for web server, at only 60$
[3:39] <felixjet_> but... no much community behind xD
[3:42] <[Saint]> Get a Snowball.
[3:42] <[Saint]> ...no community there either really, but nice, cheap HW.
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[3:42] <ReggieUK> odroid-u3 is a good little board
[3:43] <ReggieUK> and all of the u2 images work on teh u3
[3:43] <[Saint]> I have the u2
[3:43] <ReggieUK> I'm far more interested in this though:
[3:43] <ReggieUK> http://www.andahammer.com/t1-nanopc/
[3:43] <[Saint]> u3 wasn't a thing when I got it.
[3:44] <ReggieUK> gpio, lcd, 2usb ethernet wifi via sdio
[3:44] <felixjet_> also 10 days shipment is an inconvenience :(
[3:44] <felixjet_> on the odroid
[3:44] <ReggieUK> no way around it
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[3:44] <ReggieUK> and it wasn't 10 days shipping for my u3
[3:44] <ReggieUK> it was about 4 days I think
[3:45] <felixjet_> and how many days said on the checkout process?
[3:45] <felixjet_> do you remember?
[3:45] <ReggieUK> 3uarts on the friendlyarm nanoPC too
[3:45] <ReggieUK> mine was on pre-order
[3:46] <ReggieUK> the day they started shipping, was the day I got my fedex tracking info :)
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[3:46] <felixjet_> probably not the best place to ask but.. meh.. xD its worth over a raspberry?
[3:47] <felixjet_> i mean, the hardware is better, how does odroid worth?
[3:47] <ReggieUK> well, clearly in certain respects of course it's better :)
[3:47] <shiftplusone> worth is subjective
[3:47] <ReggieUK> it's about 20x the speed in comparison
[3:47] <ReggieUK> but yeah, as shiftplusone has mentioned, worth is subjective
[3:47] <ReggieUK> it's a small community for the u3
[3:47] <felixjet_> i mean if the numbers are worth, or its a korean cheap piece of plastic
[3:47] <felixjet_> xD
[3:47] <[Saint]> I like the Snowball, its got *so* much stuff onboard. niceish cpu/gpu, bluetooth, gps, barometer, magnetometer, 3 axis rotational sensing, hdmi, composite video in/out/ 3.5mm audio that doesn't suck...
[3:48] <ReggieUK> if you're already ok with devving on arm then the odroid shouldn't be an issue
[3:48] <[Saint]> $50 USD
[3:48] <ReggieUK> odroid has mali400
[3:48] <[Saint]> so does Snowball
[3:48] <felixjet_> but since im not going to use video for it...
[3:48] <ReggieUK> hardkernel also do stuff with linaro and are an official samsung hardware partner
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[3:49] <ReggieUK> so whilst the community is relatively small for the odroid, the backup is a bit big :)
[3:50] <[Saint]> Snowball also does Android and Ubuntu out of the box.
[3:50] <[Saint]> It really is very much a cellphone with no screen.
[3:50] <ReggieUK> odroid has ubuntu/android
[3:50] <ReggieUK> so will the friendlyarm nanoPC
[3:51] <felixjet_> and many more
[3:51] <felixjet_> including gentoo, which is almost a must to me
[3:51] <[Saint]> lots of sensors bolted on that people usually have to add secondarily.
[3:51] <[Saint]> and yes. thats why i said "also"
[3:51] <ReggieUK> I'm not so fussed on sensors, I get that people want them but I'm not so sure I need them strapped to a single unit
[3:52] <[Saint]> sure...but when said unit is only $50
[3:52] <[Saint]> its hard NOT to buy one.
[3:52] <ReggieUK> it is if you just got a u3
[3:52] <ReggieUK> :D
[3:52] <ReggieUK> and most likely a nanoPC too
[3:53] <felixjet_> the XU looks awesome
[3:53] <felixjet_> but... 140$ is a no way
[3:53] <ReggieUK> oh yeah, the xu looks insane
[3:53] <ReggieUK> that's not a bad price at all
[3:53] <ReggieUK> considering it's 4x pi on the small side of it's 8 cores
[3:54] <ReggieUK> again, none of this should take anything away from the pi
[3:54] <ReggieUK> which has probably been the single most sucessful arm dev board ever
[3:54] <[Saint]> GPS is essential to me. How else can I easily know the exact GPS coordinates of my media center? :p
[3:54] <felixjet_> thats 110% true
[3:55] <felixjet_> and for the price of rpi, its worth to get one and play with it
[3:55] <felixjet_> even if you use a odroid for your needs
[3:55] <ReggieUK> makes me wonder what the foundation will come up with in the future
[3:55] <ReggieUK> can't stick with that bcm single core forever
[3:55] <[Saint]> I also need to 3 acis rotation so I know what way up its pointing... :p
[3:55] <ReggieUK> or make a pi for a fiver :D
[3:55] <[Saint]> *axis
[3:56] <ReggieUK> testament to the pi, odroid borrowed rpi-config
[3:56] <ReggieUK> everyone wants to be like pi but not pi :D
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[3:56] <shiftplusone> cubieboard have their magpi-like magazine as well
[3:57] <ReggieUK> odroid do too
[3:57] <shiftplusone> but the article I've seen there was just about how the pi sucks
[3:57] <ReggieUK> where?
[3:57] <ReggieUK> on odroid mag?
[3:57] <shiftplusone> the other one
[3:57] <ReggieUK> or cubie?
[3:57] <ReggieUK> well, odroid does a comparison with the pi too
[3:57] <ReggieUK> but it doesn't slag it off
[3:58] <ReggieUK> it's kind of like comparing a bicycle to a ferrari
[3:58] <ReggieUK> but it is the question that people like to ask 'what's it like compared to a pi'
[3:59] <shiftplusone> benchmarks make sense, yeah
[3:59] <ReggieUK> odroid and FA's nanoPC have eMMC too
[4:00] <ReggieUK> which is apparently quite disgustingly fast
[4:00] <ReggieUK> FA's tiny4412 board boots android super quick
[4:01] <ReggieUK> seems they're all learning though
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[4:02] <ReggieUK> odroids had cases ready for ship date
[4:02] <ReggieUK> FA will have theirs soon
[4:02] <ReggieUK> lots of homage to pi essentially
[4:08] <felixjet_> FA ?
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[7:49] <Chetic> I have a program in raspbian that uses the uart, with the O_NONBLOCK flag set
[7:49] <Chetic> but when I read, if the uart buffer is empty, the program still blocks
[7:49] <Chetic> isn't that what the flag is supposed to avoid?
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[8:19] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys is it possible to add more LEDS to the PI specifically to show downloads in a brighter light? how can I find guides on this
[8:21] <mgottschlag> Psil0Cybin: this is certainly possible - have you had a look at the datasheet to get some information about the current LEDs? (current, identification of the corresponding resistor)
[8:22] <Psil0Cybin> mgottschlag: To Be kind of honest, I hope this does not upset you guys.. I am very bad with hardware, I am thinking I could use the Pi to learn..so I have not, I kind had no idea where to begin or what to start researching
[8:23] <mgottschlag> oh, hm
[8:23] <mgottschlag> the first thing is, you need the schematics of the pi
[8:23] <shiftplusone> upset? the pi is all about learning and that's what the channel is here for XD
[8:23] <Psil0Cybin> Well I mean that I am a noob when it comes to hardware :P
[8:23] <Psil0Cybin> I know a few things about programmign and coding, but nothing about hardware XD
[8:23] <Psil0Cybin> how sad.
[8:23] <mgottschlag> indeed
[8:23] <shiftplusone> they're quite different ways of thinking, so that's understandable.
[8:24] <mgottschlag> I mean, indeed @what this channel is here for
[8:24] <mgottschlag> argh, my internet is too slow atm to find a link to the schematics, should be possible to google though
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[8:24] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspberry-Pi-R2.0-Schematics-Issue2.2_027.pdf
[8:25] <mgottschlag> now, you need to find the LEDs there ^^
[8:26] <shiftplusone> Which LED are you replacing? all of them?
[8:26] <Psil0Cybin> no I just want to add something more fancy to see my packets :)
[8:26] <Psil0Cybin> like if I am downloading and uploading
[8:26] <Psil0Cybin> that would be neat.
[8:27] <Psil0Cybin> add some color to the pi :) so it looks neat in the dark
[8:27] <shiftplusone> just out of curiosity..... why?
[8:27] <Psil0Cybin> oh im a bored individual
[8:27] <Psil0Cybin> with pletny of time
[8:27] <shiftplusone> very well
[8:27] <Psil0Cybin> but i guess i might do it after my exams
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[8:27] <mgottschlag> on page 3 you see that the network LEDs are connected between 3.3V and a pin of the network chip, this pin is toggled between 3.3V (LED off) and 0V, and this is what you can use to add more LEDs
[8:27] <mgottschlag> ^^
[8:28] <Psil0Cybin> ooooo thanks:D
[8:28] <Psil0Cybin> thanks for that guide
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[8:28] <mgottschlag> (however, be careful, better use a transistor and do not connect the LED directly, otherwise you will probably end up drawing too much current from the pin
[8:28] <mgottschlag> )
[8:28] <shiftplusone> Which LEDs actually show the activity?
[8:29] <shiftplusone> LNK?
[8:29] <mgottschlag> I thought one of them did, but I cannot remember :D
[8:30] <Psil0Cybin> there is one for the ETH0 by default
[8:30] <Psil0Cybin> that flickers is that what you mean?
[8:30] <Psil0Cybin> they are just tiny LEDS :)
[8:30] <Psil0Cybin> they should have made them a little bigger.
[8:30] <Psil0Cybin> so it was like a fireworks display.
[8:30] <Psil0Cybin> I want the world to know packets are being downloaded.
[8:31] <shiftplusone> excellent
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[8:31] <mgottschlag> you really should connect one of these 100W LEDs to it
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[8:51] <turtlehat> but only one
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[10:58] <Praesmeodymium> the power cable on my rpi slips out super easy is that typical?
[10:59] <shiftplusone> nope
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[11:00] <SpeedEvil> USB connectors wear easily
[11:00] <SpeedEvil> first try a new cable
[11:00] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise, tape
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[11:44] <autrilla> Any particular USB powered hub you'd recommend?
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[11:45] <shiftplusone> something that comes with a sensible power supply, not many ports and something by a decent company. That's my checklist anyway.
[11:46] <shiftplusone> but the wiki has a page of tested hubs
[11:47] <autrilla> With model B, is a bigger psu enough or is a usb hub still needed?
[11:47] <shiftplusone> for what?
[11:48] <autrilla> shiftplusone, to use more USB devices
[11:49] <shiftplusone> depends on the devices
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[11:49] <shiftplusone> I'd say a powered hub is always recommended though
[11:49] <Encrypt> +1
[11:50] <klock> i would reference the tested hardware
[11:50] <klock> i bought a random noname powered hub off of amazon and did not have fun
[11:51] <shiftplusone> hubs are all terrible, but some of them work well enough.
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[11:52] <Praesmeodymium> so the 1a phone charger im using will be too little once I do something more than install software?
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[12:09] <Encrypt> Praesmeodymium, What did you plug on your Raspberry Pi?
[12:10] <Encrypt> For my school library I bought this hub which does the job well: http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/usb/dub-h4-4-port-usb-2-hub
[12:11] <Praesmeodymium> currently only a camera module and wifi network... I havent hooked anything to the gpio yet, which if I did would be a ramps board or stepsticks or something
[12:12] <Encrypt> Ok
[12:12] <Encrypt> Praesmeodymium, A *good* ( :p ) powered USB Hub is a good solution I think
[12:12] <Encrypt> Praesmeodymium, As far as I'm concerned, I added an external Hard Drive
[12:13] <Encrypt> So, I'm using this cool "hard drive & USB Hub" which works well: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19626172/RPi.jpg
[12:13] <Encrypt> It powers the Raspberry Pi and other peripherals
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[12:20] * ShorTie likes the Rosewill RHB-500 usb hub
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[12:30] <gordonDrogon> I'm still using the cheapie I bought way back. well it was �12 or something. came with a 2A PSU and I've had it powered 2 Pi's at once in the past.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> The pimoroni hub gets good reviews.
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pihub
[12:33] <ShorTie> 3A 5.25V power-supply, sweet
[12:34] <ShorTie> lots of amps with a little extra voltage to spare
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[12:36] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, It looks good :)
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[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I don't have one - just seem them in-use.
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[12:48] <yehnan> Hello, what's the max current can a rpi's GPIO pin output? 20mA?
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[12:50] <ShorTie> ultimate max, or max you should draw ??
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[12:52] <yehnan> ShorTie: ultimate max, I mean, if go above this max value, it's dangerous and may cause damage
[12:53] <yehnan> ShorTie: from Arduino's webpage, the max value is 20mA~40mA
[12:53] <yehnan> ShorTie: where can I find out this info for rpi? :)
[12:53] <ShorTie> sounds about right, but you really should not draw more then 10-15ma
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[12:54] <[Saint]> I can't think of many situations that would call to do so.
[12:55] <ShorTie> and that max would be on just 1 pin, not all the pins
[12:55] <yehnan> ShorTie: if possible, i want answers which is from official documents.
[12:55] <[Saint]> "and I want someone else to find them"
[12:56] * ShorTie snickers
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[12:56] <yehnan> [Saint]: I searched and couldn't find it. Would you please provide some suggestions?
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> There is a limited datasheet for the broadcom parts - which does cover GPIO, I am unsure if it covers maximum current though.
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> HAve you found that datashet?
[12:57] <ShorTie> a vairable resistor and amp meter, when the smoke comes out you have gone to far
[12:58] <[Saint]> forgive my saying so, but, you mustn't have searched terribly hard.
[12:58] <yehnan> [Saint]: for example, I checked RPi Hub, there is a sentence "GPIO input hysteresis (Schmitt trigger) can be on or off, output slew rate can be fast or limited, and source and sink current is configurable from 2 mA up to 16 mA." I am not sure it is what i want.
[12:58] <[Saint]> but this may be difficult if English isn't a first language.
[12:58] <yehnan> ShorTie: I don't wanna damage my pi :)
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[12:58] <[Saint]> the lowlevel peripherals page states 50mA
[12:58] <ShorTie> easy, then don't go over 15ma
[12:59] <yehnan> SpeedEvil: I'm not sure I have the datasheet you mentioned.
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=broadcom+datasheet+raspberry+pi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb&gws_rd=cr&ei=Be3oUuaHAsaK7AaDxYDABA
[12:59] <[Saint]> https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=kuzoUtatLIaIkAW4_oDwAQ&url=http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals&cd=4&ved=0CDUQFjAD&usg=AFQjCNFLuX-tJ9JJLuBnl1H5vQ2mcvQ7Zg&sig2=VI1sIKzIXzNCyWw7TykBmQ
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[12:59] <[Saint]> eeek...mobile chrome. what did you do to that link?
[12:59] <[Saint]> ugh.
[13:00] <[Saint]> that sucked.
[13:00] <yehnan> [Saint]: "the lowlevel peripherals page states 50mA", where is this?
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[13:00] <[Saint]> I /just/ linked this.
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> Ah - yeah - I remember
[13:01] <yehnan> [Saint]: 50 mA is the max value from 3.3V pin
[13:02] <ShorTie> what are you trying to do if i can ask ??
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> That is a hideous page.
[13:02] <yehnan> SpeedEvil: thanks, digging.
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> yehnan: yeah - I remmeber now - it doesn't properly cover it.
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> 50mA across'...
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[13:03] <SpeedEvil> Does that mean a total of 50mA GPIO.
[13:03] <yehnan> SpeedEvil: "it"? you mean BCM's datasheet?
[13:03] <ShorTie> you can use the gpio pin to control another device and then draw all you want
[13:03] <yehnan> ShorTie: i know. But still want to know...
[13:03] <SpeedEvil> yehnan: The datasheet I was thinking of was the above one I linked. It does not document properly any current limits at all.
[13:03] <[Saint]> Im kinda with SpeedEvil in saying that the max current draw isn't as interesting as why you think you may exceed it.
[13:04] <[Saint]> It would he better to talk about that.
[13:04] <[Saint]> *be
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: the problem is you can reasonably read that wiki page as allowing about 2mA per GPIO
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> And it's quite ambiguous about pull-downs.
[13:05] <yehnan> SpeedEvil: hmmm....ok. I see. thanks.
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> I would say that 5mA is probably reasonable.
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> I wouldn't go much above that without an actual proper datasheet.
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> If it's an app you care about working for >5 min
[13:07] <yehnan> When I work with Arduino, the value I keep in mind is 20mA. Now by the info you guys provide, the value is about 5mA. Am I right?
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[13:08] <yehnan> This is quite different. When I would show an example to someone new to rpi and GPIO, I would connect a LED and a current-limiting resistor.
[13:09] <yehnan> I need to calculate the ohm of resistor, so I need the max current a gpio pin can source.
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[13:13] <jerd> Afternoon :) I'm looking for a minimal Debian image to use on my Pi. I searched for it and I noticed a lot of different images, I'm not sure what to use.
[13:14] <SirLagz> jerd: hifi's raspbian installer
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[13:15] <SirLagz> jerd: best way of getting a minimal raspbian install going
[13:15] <SirLagz> jerd: assuming your Pi has a stable internet connection
[13:15] <jerd> Thanks SirLagz, I will look into it
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[13:18] <MProg> hello pi people _o/
[13:19] <jerd> Hi MProg
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[13:20] <MProg> hi jerd
[13:23] <MProg> my pc sounds like an old sewing machine today :/
[13:24] <ShorTie> try cleaning your fans then
[13:24] <MProg> a bit like my car :s
[13:24] <MProg> (when it starts)
[13:24] <ShorTie> try some stp or motor honey
[13:25] <MProg> stp or motor honey ?
[13:25] <MProg> Shielded Twisted Pair ? :x
[13:25] <MProg> network cable to fix my car ?
[13:26] <MProg> :x
[13:26] <ShorTie> ya, it puts a protective coating on your bearings so you do not have metal on metal contact on your bearings apon start up
[13:26] <klock> give it some turtle wax
[13:27] <ShorTie> http://www.stp.com/
[13:27] * MProg looking at motor honey
[13:28] <MProg> ok so... motor honey goes with the engine oil, and stp with the fuel ?
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[13:30] <ShorTie> stp has gas additives, but it is like the original oil additive for loose engines
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[13:31] <MProg> motor honey looks interesting
[13:31] <MProg> my engine oil might actually stay in the engine with that stuff :p
[13:31] <ShorTie> there are lots out there now
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[13:32] <ShorTie> pay the little extra for the high milage oil, it stays in longer
[13:33] <MProg> or a little more for a new car :p
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[13:33] <ShorTie> no, thats a lot more, lol.
[13:34] <ShorTie> and imho, new cars are a waste of money
[13:34] <MProg> yeah, I meant newer :p
[13:35] <MProg> newer than 1988 :s
[13:35] <ShorTie> i drive 1987's, hehe
[13:35] <MProg> ah :p
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[13:48] <MProg> back to pi stuff
[13:48] <MProg> I must get the latency down
[13:49] <MProg> (video streaming)
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[13:53] <ShorTie> don't forget the usb controller does not have the best band width
[13:54] <MProg> yep
[13:54] <MProg> I'm using the pi cam (not a usb web cam)
[13:55] <MProg> but the usb driver still effects ethernet and usb wifi dongles
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[13:57] <MProg> I'm streaming 720p @ 30fps with a decent bitrate and about 150ms latency
[13:57] <MProg> which is considered good
[13:57] <MProg> but not good enough
[13:57] <MProg> for me :p
[13:57] <ShorTie> i got the PiCam streaming 1280x720 very nicely using raspimjpeg
[13:58] <MProg> resolution and bitrate seem to make very little difference in my case
[13:58] <MProg> 1080p works fine too
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[13:59] <MProg> I'm using my own code for ... everything :p
[13:59] <ShorTie> sweet
[14:00] <ShorTie> i couldn't code myself out of a paper bag if i had to, lol.
[14:01] <MProg> lol
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[14:03] <MProg> (*almost everything, I'm using raspivid/the v4l2 driver for the low level mmal/openmax stuff)
[14:05] <ShorTie> don't know if it would help, but have you looked at raspimjep ??
[14:05] <ShorTie> it still uses /dev/video0
[14:05] <MProg> (I did consider writing my own code for that too, but then looked through the raspivid and v4l2 code and saw dragons :p)
[14:06] <MProg> hmm
[14:07] <MProg> raspimjpeg works like raspivid but also encodes the preview into mjpeg
[14:07] <MProg> I think
[14:07] <ShorTie> ya, i believe so
[14:08] <MProg> so I don't think it'll help me much
[14:09] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[14:09] <MProg> I also think most people will tell me that ~150ms latency is as good as it gets :p
[14:09] <MProg> but I won't accept that :p
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[14:15] <MProg> "�k�� ��K��" <- some crazy characters in there :p
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[14:29] <ShorTie> colorized to if it came thru right
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[14:40] <MProg> ah nope
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[14:40] <MProg> chan must have +c mode
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[14:42] <ShorTie> :(~
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[14:53] <MProg> hmm
[14:54] <MProg> ShorTie, do you happen to know a thing or 2 in electronics ?
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[15:06] <Encrypt> MProg, What do you want to know?
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[15:06] <MProg> ok, I'll explain
[15:06] <MProg> I'm controlling servos and streaming video at the same time
[15:07] <MProg> using a BEC for RC cars to get the 5v to power everything I get interference in the video (black lines) when I move the servos
[15:07] <MProg> if I use a DC-DC converter from an airbus A380 instead of the BEC the interference goes away :p
[15:07] <MProg> so...
[15:07] <MProg> is there something I could do to avoid the interference when using the BEC ?
[15:08] <MProg> ... would it help if I stick ferrites all over the place ? :p
[15:08] <Encrypt> I have no idea then :p
[15:09] <markedathome> is that bad grounding or needing capacitors to smooth out?
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> BECs tend to be iffy, at best
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> Poorly specified often woefully designed regulators.
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> Capacitors arent an insane plan
[15:11] <MProg> ok...
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[15:12] <MProg> so... capacitors or a high quality voltage regulator
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[15:12] <SpeedEvil> More 'not terrible'
[15:12] <MProg> ok :p
[15:12] <Encrypt> MProg, Considering what you describe, you're controlling your servos directly through GPIO, right?
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[15:17] <MProg> euh
[15:18] <MProg> going through a YES gate
[15:18] <Encrypt> OK
[15:19] <Encrypt> I would have advised you to use an optocoupler if it was a current issue
[15:19] <Encrypt> To insulate the Raspberry Pi from the servomotor
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[15:20] <markedathome> can someone take a quick look at this http://pastebin.com/DXderMA0
[15:20] <markedathome> It is a reply to someone wanting to plot a sine wave, andI want to ensure that it reads right, provkes thought about what they are trying to do, and is not too confusing.
[15:20] <markedathome> also without doing their assignment for them
[15:21] <markedathome> pi forum thread at top of pastebin
[15:22] <markedathome> also what assumptions do you think i made?
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[15:30] <MProg> thanks for the suggestions ;)
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[15:30] <MProg> I'll try to find a 'not terrible' voltage regulator ;p
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[15:30] <MProg> and then try capacitors if I still have problems
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[15:36] <gordonDrogon> MProg, regulator for what - >5v to the Pi's 5v ?
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[15:44] <gordonDrogon> markedathome, yea, let them work out their own assignment ;-)
[15:45] <MProg> yep gordonDrogon
[15:45] <markedathome> just wanted to be sure that I wasn't meandering and being confusing. thanks
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> MProg, I use a little SMPS unit that's the 7805 drop-in replacement.
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05
[15:46] <MProg> ah thx
[15:47] <MProg> (I need to power some servos too)
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> put them on a separate supply.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> servos can be a bit sucky when you move them.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> as in suck a lot of juice for a short time.
[15:49] <MProg> yep, I was thinking about doing something like that
[15:49] <SebSemmi> hey, what is the best way to setup up Wi-Fi on the Pi? I already have the USB dongle
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[15:51] <gordonDrogon> SebSemmi, google for instructions - they seemed to work ok when I did mine.
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[15:51] <MProg> plug it in and see what happens :p
[15:51] <MProg> you might need a powered hub
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[15:52] <SebSemmi> gordonDrogon I did. But it seems there a many different ways to do it. What would you recommend?
[15:52] <MProg> ( and the linux drivers might be buggy :( )
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[15:52] <SebSemmi> problem is, my command line skills are very basic ;)
[15:54] <n3hxs> Make sure you have a "compatable" WiFi dongle, too.
[15:54] <SebSemmi> done
[15:56] <MProg> what chipset do you have in your dongle ?
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[16:12] <MProg> ps : use ethernet if at all possible :p
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> SebSemmi, sorry went for a spot of lunch there - I just googled and more or less followed the instructions - plugged the adapter in, installed the firmware, rebooted, and it more or less just worked.
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> SebSemmi, I think this was the page I followed: http://www.howtogeek.com/167425/how-to-setup-wi-fi-on-your-raspberry-pi-via-the-command-line/
[16:14] <SebSemmi> gordonDrogon thx
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> MProg, how are you driving the servos off the Pi? servoblaster?
[16:17] <MProg> pi-blaster (more or less the same thing)
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> ok.
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[16:21] <MProg> gordonDrogon, do you know if it's possible to get <150ms latency when streaming with the pi cam ?
[16:21] <MProg> (I'm getting about 150ms at the moment)
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[16:21] <gordonDrogon> MProg, no idea. I have a camera but have only ever used it once...
[16:22] <MProg> ok
[16:23] <MProg> I'm wondering if the encoder holds back a few frames
[16:24] <MProg> even though it doesn't produce B-frames
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[17:01] <gordonDrogon> it's an area I know very little about.
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[17:01] <gordonDrogon> seen some good B-movies though... not sure about their individual frames though...
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[17:06] <MProg> lol
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[17:10] <rwb> Hi, Does anyone know how to daisy chain the "Slice of pi/o" boards? It says you can chain up to 8 of them... Any ideas? http://openmicros.org/index.php/articles/94-ciseco-product-documentation/raspberry-pi/223-slice-of-pio
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[17:12] <gordonDrogon> rwb, they have a sort of vertical stacking thingy which I've seen.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> can't find it on their website though.
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> actually it might have been their IO POD thing.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> personally, I think that if you need 8 GPIO expanders then maybe the Pi isn't the best platform, however it's relatively easy to do. You can have 8 mcp23017's on the I2C bus then a further 16 on the SPI bus giving the potential for an additional 384 GPIO pins...
[17:16] <MProg> 384 GPIO pins ! :o
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> if you really need them..
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[17:17] <gordonDrogon> you can add more by using shift-registers. You need 3 pins to drive up to 4 x 8-bit SRs. (well you can drive many more whith those 3 pins, but wiringPi only supports a max of 4 daisy-chained at a time)
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[18:05] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[18:08] <AwesomeDragon> how much performance can i get out of my Pi?
[18:08] <ppq> at least three
[18:09] <AwesomeDragon> I mean would torrent client + apache + php + mySQL + FTP be to much?
[18:09] <AwesomeDragon> And maybe mumble server too?
[18:10] <ppq> you may be able to run everything
[18:10] <kylethebaker> 7 might be pushing it
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[18:10] <kylethebaker> 7 performance is a lot
[18:10] <ppq> but i don't know what happens if you start actually using it
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[18:11] <AwesomeDragon> php und mysql will definitely not have to do much
[18:11] <AwesomeDragon> just ideling around until i need a little bit from them
[18:11] <ppq> then it might work if you don't have to many users
[18:11] <kylethebaker> you could probably use sftp and not have to have ftp running
[18:11] <AwesomeDragon> hmm
[18:11] <AwesomeDragon> sftp is via ssh?
[18:12] <kylethebaker> yea, so you most likely already have it running
[18:12] <AwesomeDragon> then i can use that sshfs stuff as well
[18:12] <AwesomeDragon> but i think stuff like http://www.web2ftp.com/ does not support sftp ?
[18:13] <kylethebaker> no, but i wouldn't give a website my ftp credentials
[18:13] <nid0> why would you hand access to your server to some random website anyway?
[18:13] <AwesomeDragon> 'cuz i trust that site?
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[18:14] <nid0> your funeral
[18:14] <kylethebaker> its not even https, though its not like it matters with ftp
[18:14] <AwesomeDragon> But since ftp is not blocked anymore in school: Can I use sftp from a windows client too?
[18:14] <nid0> ofc
[18:14] <AwesomeDragon> ?
[18:14] <ppq> AwesomeDragon: yes, you can use filezilla, just set the port to 22
[18:15] <AwesomeDragon> ok
[18:15] <AwesomeDragon> sounds nice
[18:15] <nid0> blocking ftp will also never have prevented sftp connections
[18:15] <ppq> AwesomeDragon: and be sure to download the real filezilla, there's a really sophisticated fake malware version right now
[18:15] <nid0> conversely though, your school might block sftp connections.
[18:15] <AwesomeDragon> That's nice
[18:15] <AwesomeDragon> I already have filezilla portable on my schools account
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[18:16] <AwesomeDragon> I think the biggest problem for setting up a home server is the port forwarding through my modem.
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[18:16] <AwesomeDragon> and since it's a no-name device it's hard to find people online to help
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[18:17] <kylethebaker> it shouldn't be too bad if you know how to get in. just forward all points you're using to the local ip of the pi
[18:17] <kylethebaker> ports, not points
[18:17] <psofa> anyone knows if its possible to view the framebuffer via vnc?
[18:18] <psofa> or whatever xbmc uses
[18:18] <AwesomeDragon> kylethebaker, i know that but it seems not to work
[18:19] <AwesomeDragon> And even that DMZ-Host stuff that seems a bit insecure, does not work.
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[18:20] <AwesomeDragon> I have not tried Port-Triggering yet, but it does not look like the right solution
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[18:22] <yottanami> I installed a webcam and it detected in lsusb but there is no /dev/video* and I can not use it, How can I fix it ?
[18:22] <yottanami> It listed in lsusb by : Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0553:0202 STMicroelectronics Imaging Division (VLSI Vision) Aiptek PenCam 1
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[18:23] <ppq> yottanami: google for "linux 0553:0202"
[18:24] <ppq> http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Webcams says: "Works out of the box. Tested with a powered hub, not tested direct from the Raspberry Pi. May had LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libv4l/v4l2convert.so for motion. "
[18:24] <ppq> do you have v4l2 installed?
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[18:26] <AwesomeDragon> WTF
[18:26] <AwesomeDragon> why would gedit take 20MB :O
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[18:27] <yottanami> ppq: Yes I do. I installed libv4l-0 and uvccapture
[18:27] <MProg> AwesomeDragon, gtk 3 maybe ?
[18:28] <AwesomeDragon> no idea
[18:28] <AwesomeDragon> will have to use leafpad
[18:28] <AwesomeDragon> I really like X11 forwarding
[18:28] <MProg> you could try geany
[18:29] <AwesomeDragon> i do not want to programm :O
[18:29] <yottanami> ppq: I can not understand the meaning ...May had LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libv4l/v4l2convert.so for motion....
[18:29] <AwesomeDragon> just a simple grafik text editor
[18:29] <AwesomeDragon> leafpad does that quite well
[18:29] <AwesomeDragon> and much better then nano or vi
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[18:30] <MProg> you don't _have_ to code with geany :p
[18:30] <MProg> it's small, fast and has syntax highlighting
[18:31] <MProg> which I thought you wanted :p
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[18:34] <AwesomeDragon> aaand i killed my network settings
[18:34] <MProg> :/
[18:34] <AwesomeDragon> when working via ssh this sucks
[18:35] <MProg> btw nano also supports syntax highlighting ;p
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[18:36] <AwesomeDragon> i do not care about syntax highlighting
[18:37] <AwesomeDragon> i just want a GUI editor for editing configuration files
[18:37] <MProg> ok :p
[18:38] <AwesomeDragon> and after killing it and restarting it again, static IP works fine :)
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[18:38] <AwesomeDragon> Just 500 other points on my to do list :P
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[18:39] <Raynerd> question for you guys, I'm just getting into programming and with lots of files, I would prefer to edit them in a proper editor line numbers, colouring. However, sudo nano file.py always opens in a simple terminal style editor. Is there any way to have this command open as us but in a proper editor?
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[18:40] <Raynerd> Us - su
[18:41] <Squarepy> Raynerd, nano can do quite a lot, check its settings, on raspbian desktop you can look at leafpad or other
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[18:42] <limitz-ARSNL> im trying to activate i2c on the pi
[18:42] <limitz-ARSNL> and i think i did it right
[18:42] <limitz-ARSNL> is there a way i can verify?
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[18:42] <limitz-ARSNL> i did "sudo i2cdetect -y 1" with the rev b, and it shows that no I2C address are in use
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[18:43] <limitz-ARSNL> is that normal? or should i see 0x40 and 0x70 active
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[18:44] <Raynerd> limitz-ARSNL: sudo i2cdetect -y 1
[18:44] <ShorTie> Raynerd, look here maybe http://www.tuxradar.com/content/text-editing-nano-made-easy
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[18:44] <Raynerd> limitz-ARSNL: tried sudo i2cdetect -y 1
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[18:45] <Raynerd> Shanks ShorTie
[18:45] <limitz-ARSNL> i basically followed this to the letter: http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-4-gpio-setup/configuring-i2c
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[18:45] <Raynerd> limitz-ARSNL: U tried i2cdetect -y 1
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[18:45] <Raynerd> limitz-ARSNL: Tried sudo i2cdetect
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[18:46] <Raynerd> I want to post sudoi2cdetect-y1
[18:46] <ShorTie> limitz-ARSNL, i think wiringPi has ways to tell what is going on
[18:47] <ShorTie> like gpioall or something like that
[18:47] <Raynerd> Im trying to post some code to limitz-ARSNL - every time in post it is just blank. Does irc stop code being posted??
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[18:47] <limitz-ARSNL> lol yeah raynerd, im wondering what your'e trying to say
[18:47] <limitz-ARSNL> ha
[18:48] <Raynerd> If you type i2c tutorial, there is a detect function to see what is connected
[18:48] <Raynerd> Im a noob, I just did it the other day though so know it works
[18:48] <limitz-ARSNL> i2c tutorial into google?
[18:48] <limitz-ARSNL> or into the termianl
[18:48] <Raynerd> Yup
[18:48] <Raynerd> Google
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[18:49] <limitz-ARSNL> ill read more into it. just a bit frustrating that i followed the adafruit guide to the letter, but not getting the same results
[18:49] <Raynerd> i2c tutorial raspi. - top adafruit link
[18:49] <limitz-ARSNL> not sure if im doing something wrong here
[18:49] <Raynerd> Ahhh!
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[18:52] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: You about
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, limitz-ARSNL gpio i2cd <- to scan the I2C bus.
[18:54] <limitz-ARSNL> i2cd?
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, try to get out of the habit of sudo nano - you don't need sudo for every command, only to do specific root/admin tasks.
[18:54] <limitz-ARSNL> oh part of wiring pi
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> limitz-ARSNL, gpio i2cd - easier to type that i2cdetect -y 0 (or 1)
[18:55] <Raynerd> Yes, how do I know when I need sudo powers?
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> but if you get a page of nothing but -- -- etc. then nothing is plugged in..
[18:55] <Raynerd> I often type sudo... And don't believe I need it
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, generally only when needing to do system stuff. occasionally to run a program that needs GPIO access.
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[18:57] <limitz-ARSNL> gordondrogon: will do, first need to install wiringpi
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> limitz-ARSNL, it won't give you any more (right now) than i2cdetect will.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> so if i2cdtect isn't returning anything, I'd do more checks.
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[18:59] <limitz-ARSNL> gordondrogon: if nothing is plugged into the I2C busses, pi should still say the bus addresses are active right?
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[19:00] <gordonDrogon> you should get 8 lines of --'s
[19:00] <limitz-ARSNL> let me check that
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> see http://unicorn.drogon.net/i2c.txt
[19:00] <limitz-ARSNL> updating raspian right now
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> that's a Pi with a Gertduino RTC loaded.
[19:00] <limitz-ARSNL> so if i have nothing
[19:00] <limitz-ARSNL> then all "--"
[19:00] <limitz-ARSNL> across the board?
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> yep.
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[19:00] <limitz-ARSNL> great
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> make sure you're looking at the right I2C bus - there are 2.
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[19:01] <limitz-ARSNL> 0 is the old raspberry pi
[19:01] <limitz-ARSNL> and 1 is the new one?
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon> new has the 2 big holes in the board.
[19:01] <limitz-ARSNL> i think i have the rev b
[19:02] <IT_Sean> YOu mean a rev 2?
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> rev 1 or 2, model A or B.
[19:02] <limitz-ARSNL> yeah
[19:02] <limitz-ARSNL> rev 2
[19:02] <IT_Sean> It's Rev 1 or 2, Model A or B.
[19:02] <AwesomeDragon> How can i make something to mount if available?
[19:02] <AwesomeDragon> when i say noauto in fstab it doesn't get mounted on boot
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> AwesomeDragon, that's the correct behaviour.
[19:02] <AwesomeDragon> but without that, it doen't boot at all when the volume is not available, right?
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> ie. it's what noauto means.
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> very probably.
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[19:03] <gordonDrogon> you might wan to google for things like automounter and udev automout rules
[19:04] <AwesomeDragon> That's very buggy behavior of fstab
[19:04] <AwesomeDragon> i once made a PC to boot only when there is a CD inserted :P
[19:04] <AwesomeDragon> no matter what CD
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> its not buggy at all - it's the way its designed.
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[19:10] <[Saint]> to most users buggy and not immediately obvious are (and may as well be) identical.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> there are fine manuals to be read...
[19:10] <[Saint]> Ha!
[19:10] <[Saint]> That was a good one, gordonDrogon ;-)
[19:12] <AwesomeDragon> gordonDrogon, basically i think i should learn bash
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[19:13] <AwesomeDragon> your automount/udev stuff shows nothing usefull on google :O
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[19:14] <AwesomeDragon> But i found solution on other IRC channels: just the option "nofail" should do exactly what i want in /etc/fstab
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[19:22] <gordonDrogon> sure, but that won't mount it at a later date when you plug it in...
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> although if you use the 'user' flag too, you'll be able to mount it from the command-line relatively easilly.
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> I don't automount anything.
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> right. dough time.
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> dough: done.
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[20:22] <Raynerd> Evening
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[20:23] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, hey
[20:25] <Raynerd> Hi shiftplusone. Glad you are on. You know in the airpi code you took a look at yesterday (regarding the xively output and proxy) is there a simple solution to round the numbers sent out as at present they are to 8-13 DP!!
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[20:25] <shiftplusone> well, python should have a round function
[20:25] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: https://github.com/tomhartley/AirPi/blob/master/outputs/xively.py
[20:26] <shiftplusone> http://docs.python.org/2/library/functions.html
[20:26] <Raynerd> I believe it does {.2f}. Etc but I don't know how to use it in the context of the code I need to edit
[20:26] <shiftplusone> k, just a sec
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[20:27] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/tomhartley/AirPi/blob/master/airpi.py
[20:27] <shiftplusone> line a186
[20:27] <shiftplusone> *186
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[20:28] <Raynerd> One sec. Daughter woke up. Brb
[20:29] <shiftplusone> dataDict["value"] = round(i.getVal(), 2)
[20:29] <shiftplusone> that will round it to 2 digits
[20:30] <shiftplusone> 2 decimal places, rather
[20:30] <Raynerd> This is the problem, each value, temp, pressure light needs as many whole numbers as it needs... Just the decimal places that need rounding to 2
[20:30] <Raynerd> Ahhh!
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[20:40] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: you are a legend!!!
[20:40] <Raynerd> https://xively.com/feeds/1890074463
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[20:41] <shiftplusone> nice
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[20:46] <limitz-ARSNL> gordondrogon: yep
[20:46] <limitz-ARSNL> all "--" across
[20:47] <limitz-ARSNL> must seem like forever, but took a lunch break first
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[20:56] <yottanami> ppq: ping
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> limitz-ARSNL, ok. So your devices aren't being detected. Did you rmember to give them power and ground?
[20:58] <limitz-ARSNL> gordondrogon: no it works
[20:58] <limitz-ARSNL> i have nothing plugged in
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[20:58] <limitz-ARSNL> just want to make sure i have i2c configured correctly
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[20:59] <limitz-ARSNL> probably will get a MCP 23008 sometime before friday
[20:59] <limitz-ARSNL> which i will use to really test the I2C
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[21:00] <gordonDrogon> ah ok.
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[21:03] <yottanami> I want install stv0680-usb driver on RaspberryPi but I have this error http://dpaste.com/1575657/ how can I fix it ?
[21:05] <shiftplusone> Your pi doesn't run on a i586
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[21:08] <yottanami> shiftplusone: I changed the -march to native in CFLAGS but it can not work yet
[21:09] <yottanami> I need it because I have a webcam : Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0553:0202 STMicroelectronics Imaging Division (VLSI Vision) Aiptek PenCam
[21:09] <yottanami> and I need driver
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[21:13] * ShorTie thought it was 'armv6h'
[21:13] <shiftplusone> j even, but native will work
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[21:15] <ShorTie> ya i guess, if everything goes ok like that
[21:16] <ShorTie> that's what i needed for some stuff in arch is all i know
[21:16] <yottanami> ShorTie: shiftplusone: I changed to armv6j now I have this error : unrecognized command line option ‘-malign-functions=4’
[21:16] <shiftplusone> look up the gcc manual. It will have all of the generic options and all of the arm options
[21:16] <shiftplusone> and all the details of what they do
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[21:18] * ShorTie raids shiftplusone book pile, i know thats here somewhere
[21:19] <shiftplusone> pile? It will take less than a minute to figure out why he's getting that error
[21:19] <shiftplusone> Align the start of functions to a 2 raised to num byte boundary. If `-malign-functions' is not specified, the default is 2 if optimizing for a 386, and 4 if optimizing for a 486.
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[21:19] <shiftplusone> And that's under Intel 386 Options
[21:19] <shiftplusone> the problem should be obvious
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[21:23] <ShorTie> 3 hours pushing snow around to clear driveway, now my toes are cold .. :(~
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[22:14] <raynerd> in python, how would you declare a variable and add one to it. Can you do x = X++ or not
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[22:21] <Raynerd> sorry got logged off
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[22:23] <Apocope> Raynerd: Python doesn't have those increment operators. You can do x = x +1 which shorthands to x += 1
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[22:25] <shiftplusone> I think the example you gave would translate to X += 1; x = X;
[22:26] <shiftplusone> wait, no, wrong
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[22:26] <shiftplusone> wrong order
[22:27] <shiftplusone> so x = X; X += 1;
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[22:27] <Apocope> X++ isn't valid Python.
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[22:28] <shiftplusone> 'course
[22:28] <shiftplusone> and by 'course, I mean I found that out 2 minutes ago >.>
[22:28] <Apocope> Yeah, me too.
[22:30] <Apocope> Raynerd: If you just run python by itself, you'll end up in a shell that will let you play with stuff and see if it works.
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[22:33] <CoolApps> Need a little help here regarding folder permissions. :P
[22:35] <CoolApps> What is the default chown permission for /home/user?
[22:35] <shiftplusone> 'chown permission'?
[22:35] <shiftplusone> are you asking about the owner, or the permissions?
[22:35] <CoolApps> The owner.
[22:36] <shiftplusone> that would be the user
[22:37] <CoolApps> I have set up the RPi as a FTP, SSH and Webserver and it is set to /home/admin at the moment, I can't get it to be /var/www which is a problem so when using FTP it keeps going to /home/admin instead of /var/www
[22:38] <CoolApps> I have chown -R /home/admin in the past while attempting to get the webserver to work.
[22:39] <CoolApps> Somehow that permission is not working for /var/www so I was wondering if there is a default permission which the user directories in /home/ has by default.
[22:39] <shiftplusone> The default thing most ftp servers do is just use your linux users and their logins. There are ways to make virtual users with whatever home folder you want just for ftp
[22:40] <CoolApps> Ah ok.
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[22:41] <CoolApps> I was thinking of that being an alternative way but it looks like it is the only way due to the FTP Server.
[22:41] <CoolApps> Thanks.
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[22:44] <rikkib> New picture of my RPi etc. http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sys.jpg
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[22:47] <basti> can i delay the bootup routine, so that it will take some more time to check out, whether an hdmi device is connected and therefore activate the hdmi output? because apparently hdmi_force_hotplug in config.txt does not work
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[22:53] <Raynerd> Sorry, so to come back to that, where Id simply write x++ in C to increment a variable by one, I would have to do x = x+ 1 in python?
[22:53] <Raynerd> shiftplusone - I`m still confused
[22:54] <Raynerd> x += 1
[22:55] <Raynerd> Opps! the first advice was off my screen!
[22:55] <Raynerd> OK - no incremental operators in python.
[22:56] <shiftplusone> yeah, either x = x+1 or x+=1
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[23:03] <Raynerd> are blank line spaces ok in python just to organise sections of code?
[23:03] <shiftplusone> yeah
[23:03] <shiftplusone> but you should just try these things
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[23:04] <Raynerd> I`m debugging!
[23:06] <Raynerd> BOOM! It is working... hurray :-)
[23:06] <Raynerd> Thank you !
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[23:28] <tobiasBora> Hello,
[23:28] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know if the jack connection has 3 or 4 contact points.
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[23:29] <shiftplusone> which jack? O_o
[23:31] <tobiasBora> There is a 3.5 jack plug isn't it ? (in blue if my memory is good)
[23:31] <shiftplusone> 3
[23:31] <shiftplusone> actually 5, but only 3 are used
[23:32] <tobiasBora> What ??? 5 points ? How is it possible ?
[23:32] <shiftplusone> the extra are for the switch to detect what's plugged in
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[23:34] <tobiasBora> If there is only 3 points you can have differents behaviour in function of the device plugged ?
[23:34] <shiftplusone> eh?
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[23:37] <tobiasBora> What is the use of detecting what's plugged ? Or maybe you mean if something is plugged ?
[23:37] <shiftplusone> if something is plugged in and whether it's stereo or mono, from what I gather.
[23:39] <tobiasBora> Ah ok. So it's not possible to record from a micro ?
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[23:40] <shiftplusone> no, it's output only
[23:40] <tobiasBora> So the only way to record from a micro is to use USB (or integrated webcam) ?
[23:41] <shiftplusone> or some ADC over GPIO
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[23:44] <edjuh> rikkib what are you making?
[23:44] <rikkib> all sorts :)
[23:45] <rikkib> nothing in particular
[23:45] <rikkib> at this point
[23:45] <tobiasBora> So if I plug my microphone on the GPIO, (with a little electrical assembly) I can record it ?
[23:45] <rikkib> wanna make something to control my antenna rotor
[23:46] <shiftplusone> tobiasBora, if you know what you're doing, yes.
[23:46] <rikkib> Simple really for that project but one hurdle
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> tobiasBora, not very well.
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[23:46] <[Saint]> basti: have you checked /boot/config.txt
[23:46] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, depends on the ADC, doesn't it?
[23:46] * [Saint] hopes the answer to that is "no".
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, well.... sort of.
[23:46] <[Saint]> Well, I hope its actually "yes, but I somehow overlooked it"
[23:47] <rikkib> the rotor puts out max of 1.8v for the feedback which means some a/d conditioning
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> one current limitation is the speed you can read the SPI bus at... it has a rather high latency and is currently limited to just over 8K transactions/sec.
[23:47] <tobiasBora> shiftplusone: Do you have some documentation for that ? What program do you use after to make it recognisable N
[23:47] <tobiasBora> ?
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> so that gives you an 8K sample rate.
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[23:47] <[Saint]> basti: TL;DR version - you want "boot_delay=N" where N is time in seconds
[23:47] <rikkib> In the process of buying some more sensors for stuff
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> you may be able to bit-bang it faster, or use a parallel access ADC via the rest of the GPIOs
[23:48] <[Saint]> config.txt is very well commented, and describes this.
[23:48] <rikkib> Will have three or four on the way
[23:48] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, What about a DSP chip which does encoding and such?
[23:48] <basti> sorry, my client didnt blink
[23:48] <shiftplusone> tobiasBora, no, sorry. If you have to ask, I think USB is the way to go.
[23:48] <rikkib> pressure, compass, rain detector, temp/baro
[23:49] <tobiasBora> gordonDrogon: I see... After I may not need a good resolution.
[23:49] <rikkib> antenna for the gps
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCBj6rabIU
[23:49] <[Saint]> basti: for future reference - http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[23:49] <basti> it is not my "project", but from a colleague of mine, so i cant really tell.
[23:49] <[Saint]> rikkib: sounds like you want a Snowball :)
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, if that chip can buffer and transfer the data after the sample, maybe...
[23:49] * [Saint] loves recommending this thing to people.
[23:49] <rikkib> You seen the pic saint?
[23:50] <[Saint]> rikkib: Snowball has everything but the rain detector built in to the board.
[23:50] <shiftplusone> hm
[23:50] <[Saint]> I also like recommending it because its currently going for less than one sixth of the release price.
[23:50] <tobiasBora> shiftplusone: That's just because I'm curious, and after a short search I didn't find lot's of documentation.
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[23:51] <[Saint]> 35 Euro, $51 USD, whichever way you juggle it, its a bargain.
[23:51] <basti> there a several pi connected via hdmi to an AP20 (http://www.datasatdigital.com/cinema/products/ap20.php) and they boot slower than the pi, so the sound does not play. i told him dmi_force_hotplug = 1 and hdmi_drive=2 and if these dont work, i will tell him to try the boot_delay thing. thanks
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> the easiest way to record audio on the Pi is with a USB "sound card".
[23:51] <shiftplusone> tobiasBora, nothing for 'raspberry pi adc' in google? I find that hard to believe.
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[23:53] <plugwash> [Saint], sure but I wonder what the software support will be like going forward
[23:53] <basti> *read several pi to several ap20
[23:53] <tobiasBora> shiftplusone: They wan't I buy an external ADC module
[23:53] <tobiasBora> http://asliceofraspberrypi.blogspot.fr/2013/10/measuring-dc-voltages-on-raspberry-pi.html
[23:53] <shiftplusone> tobiasBora, of course.
[23:53] <shiftplusone> tobiasBora, there's no ADC on the board that you can use.
[23:54] <[Saint]> Dual core 800MHz~1GHz NovaThor SoC w/ Mali 400 GPU, Bluetooth, GPS, barometer, magnetometer, gyroscope, wireless N, GPIO, I2C, RTC, USB-OTG, HDMI, composite video/audio in/out, 3.5mm audio out ...all in a picoATX form factor.
[23:54] <rikkib> Hmmm interesting
[23:54] <[Saint]> And for $50
[23:54] <[Saint]> plugwash: runs Android and Ubuntu out of the box
[23:54] <tobiasBora> Oh, I though that I could just use the GPIO ports in read mode. Why can't I do that ?
[23:54] <shiftplusone> tobiasBora, because your microphone isn't digital.
[23:55] <[Saint]> rikkib: I think its definitely worth your consideration.
[23:55] <plugwash> [Saint], with what kernel?
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[23:55] <[Saint]> And not /just/ because I just got 2 myself and am quite excited about it.
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[23:56] <rikkib> Hmmm
[23:56] <rikkib> Just spent my money
[23:56] <plugwash> I just wouldn't be surprised if a couple of years down the line it's still stuck on whatever software versions it's on today meaning poor compatibility with new stuff and likely no security updates
[23:56] <[Saint]> They're trying to get rid of the stock presently, but they have a LOT of units to get rid of.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> tobiasBora, the Pi's GPIO is digital only. There is no analog converter.
[23:56] <[Saint]> You'll be sweet for weeks yet if you want to grab one.
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[23:57] <rikkib> besides I already have stm32V boards which give me a display to use with the RPi
[23:57] <tobiasBora> shiftplusone: Oh I'm stupid... And I don't know why but I thought that there were one analogic port...
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[23:58] <rikkib> RPi being another processor but running main stream Linux
[23:58] <shiftplusone> tobiasBora, that's what I meant by there's no ADC on board.
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[23:58] <rikkib> Focus... Data logging
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[23:59] <[Saint]> plugwash: even if it is *completely* abandoned, which it almost is, I still fail to see it as anything but a bargain at the current price.
[23:59] <[Saint]> rikkib: here's a rundown of what $50 gets you - http://pastebin.com/jtJUkSrv

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