#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-01-31

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[0:37] <demlak> hi
[0:38] <demlak> i was experimenting with TIP121 and a 12v DC halogen lamp.. works good.. but what about dimming 230V AC lights? do you know a simple tutorial/shematic?
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[0:39] <pksato> demlak: AC is more complex. need to control triger of a triac.
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[0:41] <rikkib> Hmm Looks like 400mm of wire for the spi works but a meter of wire does not.
[0:41] <demlak> you know of a tutorial for it?
[0:43] <rikkib> Back to the drawing board with the nRF24
[0:43] <pksato> start with dimmer to understand phase position switching http://home.howstuffworks.com/dimmer-switch.htm
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[0:44] <demlak> ah well.. i dont want to develop a new circuit.. its just a smal fun project.. if there is no nice tutorial.. i will give it up
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[0:47] <pksato> need know how hardware work to write a program to control it.
[0:47] <demlak> well.. i know how to controll PWM pin on RPi..
[0:47] <demlak> as i told.. i was dimming 12v halogen lamp without problems
[0:48] <demlak> i know that light is not go brighter in a linear way.. on my halogen lamp i was coding a simple bash script for dimming near-linear
[0:48] <pksato> demlak: for AC aproache are different.
[0:49] <pksato> Its like a PWM, but need to know when (time) activate.
[0:50] <pksato> or use a power mosfet, but, result can be not as expected.
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[0:52] <pksato> or SSR.
[0:52] <demlak> i don�t understand what you are talking about.. PWM should be PWM? if you are talking about phase-fired or phase cutting.. i think this should not be a related problem on a lightbulb which is very slow acting on voltage change
[0:54] <demlak> found a tutorial.. http://www.instructables.com/id/safe-and-simple-AC-PWM-Dimmer-for-arduino-Raspberr/
[0:55] <demlak> more complex circuit than i thought
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[0:58] <pksato> On the end, this circuit control DC.
[0:59] <demlak> yes.. i see the 4 diods
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[1:00] <pksato> for on/off only http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php/topic,24335.0.html
[1:00] <demlak> no.. i need to dim =)
[1:00] <demlak> for on of.. i could use my 433mhz things =)
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[1:01] <pksato> replace moc3041 one without zero crossing detector.
[1:03] <pksato> like moc3021
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[1:13] <demlak> seems to be too complex.. thx anyway
[1:14] <pksato> ok, buy one of these http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=SSR+relay
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[1:15] <pksato> but, have a Zero Cross Trigger.
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[1:18] <demlak> hmm
[1:18] <pksato> for resistive load, lamp or heater, can try to control number of cicles per time.
[1:18] <pksato> half cycle.
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[1:24] <demlak> hmm.. well.. i think i found a "problem".. pwm dimming AC with zero cross triggering has a max frequency of 50hz.. hmm... means 230v/50 = min. volt.. and every step would be 4,6v.. maybe theese steps are not smal enough..
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[1:24] <demlak> am i right? for a more detailt dimming i would need phse cutting or phase firing?
[1:26] <pksato> no, aways have a 230VAC.
[1:26] <pksato> and a full power, per cycle.
[1:28] <MProg> buy a dimmer switch and stick a servo on it :x
[1:28] <demlak> i read about this on hackaday.com =)
[1:29] <MProg> ah lol
[1:29] <demlak> http://hackaday.com/2012/12/14/raspberry-pi-used-to-automate-a-dimmable-light-bulb/
[1:29] <demlak> m(
[1:30] <MProg> :p
[1:30] <pksato> circuit is little more complex that using a tip121. For ac need a moc3021, a triac and few resistor (two or tree) for resistive loads/
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[1:31] <demlak> my tip121 circuit is very simple.. like this http://blog.dcxn.com/images/posts/desk-lights-wiring.png
[1:31] <pksato> get a datasheet of moc3021
[1:32] <pksato> its is wrong.
[1:32] <demlak> what�s wrong?
[1:32] <pksato> tip121 is a bipolar darligton. not a n-mosfet.
[1:33] <demlak> ah.. yeah.. the text on it is wrong
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[1:33] <pksato> and, can no get full saturation using rpi 3v3 logic.
[1:34] <demlak> well.. works good here
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[1:37] <pksato> it was a normal bipolar transistor, output of RPi would fired.
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[1:43] <demlak> well.. it�s late in here.. thx alot.. i�ll check this all later.. but maybe i will use those 12v halogen lights
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[1:46] <promet> Heya, anyone working on motor control with their pi, perhaps with pyblaster?
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[1:54] <promet> Hi, anybody home?
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[2:01] <LuvLinuxOS> hi
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[2:01] <promet> hi
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[3:26] <Jaimbo> Hey guys, I was wondering if someone could tell me how to add the green [ OK ] to my init scripts like the default boot scripts have?
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[3:27] <shiftplusone> I don't know, but that shouldn't be something you explicitly add. It should be something handled by sysvinit based on the return values, I suppose. What does your script look like?
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[3:31] <Jaimbo> I think I got it
[3:31] <shiftplusone> what was the problem?
[3:32] <Jaimbo> Well the main problem is I am a noob
[3:33] <Jaimbo> I figured I have to use log_success_message
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[3:40] <Jaimbo> Yeah I sorted it!
[3:40] <Jaimbo> Well for one script, now I just need to do it for the rest
[3:40] <Jaimbo> Also while I am here, wanted to look for some advice
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[3:43] <shiftplusone> Some advice in specific or just any advice? Ahm... learn to service your own car. >.>
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[3:43] <Jaimbo> Well I am probably going to pick up a second Pi
[3:43] * ShorTie snickers
[3:44] <Jaimbo> Spread the load over two pi's rather than all on just the one
[3:44] <shiftplusone> What sort of load?
[3:44] <Jaimbo> The current setup is a home server styled system, which works rather well
[3:45] <Jaimbo> Runs Samba, FTP, Deluge, Sickbeard, Couchpotato, apache
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[3:45] <Jaimbo> Don't know if I have missed anything
[3:45] <shiftplusone> ah right
[3:46] <Jaimbo> So I was thinking of how to split the load between two
[3:46] <ShorTie> sounds like you need atleast 4 more rPi's
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[3:46] <Jaimbo> Well one Pi is handling it moderately just now
[3:47] <shiftplusone> yeah, I don't think it's anything a pi can't cope with
[3:47] <Jaimbo> I suppose keeping Sickbeard and Couchpotato together makes sense
[3:47] <Jaimbo> But they will be communicating with the other Pi over a network
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[3:47] <Jaimbo> Are you familiar with CouchP and SickB?
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[3:48] <shiftplusone> I know what they do and have had them installed for a while, but that's about it
[3:48] <Jaimbo> My only concern is like
[3:49] <Jaimbo> e.g Sickbeard unrars my stuff for me automagically
[3:49] <Jaimbo> But that is going to drag the rar files from the second pi, over the network, process them on pi number one and then send them back over, wouldnt it?
[3:49] <shiftplusone> Your main bottleneck is probably IO and network, rather than RAM and CPU, right?
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[3:50] <Jaimbo> Well both the pi's will be connected via LAN and only one will be using an external hard drive, the other pi will be accessing the external hard driver over SMB
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[3:51] <shiftplusone> yeah, so that's going to be your main issue
[3:51] <Jaimbo> yeah
[3:51] <shiftplusone> since the NIC shares bandwidth with USB, reading from USB over the network, is not going to be fun
[3:52] <Jaimbo> Now Couchpotato should be fine as it only retreives files and then moves/renames them
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[3:52] <Jaimbo> Yeah, that was my concern
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[3:53] * ShorTie thinkz, the rPi is not a super computer, it's a learning toy
[3:53] <shiftplusone> Instead, I think it would make more sense to run mysql and apache (or better yet nginx) on one pi to keep network traffic between them minimal so that you can read your files faster
[3:53] <Jaimbo> SMB, deluge on Pi'1 and then couch potato on pi2 should be fine
[3:53] <Jaimbo> I suppose I could connect the USB hard drive into the router directly
[3:54] <shiftplusone> hmm
[3:54] <Jaimbo> Then both pi's would be using the Ethernet with nothing hogging up USB
[3:54] <shiftplusone> Haven't tried that myself, though my router does support it.
[3:54] <Jaimbo> Got myself a cheap western digital router from work, tis awesome
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[3:55] <Jaimbo> How does the Pi react to networked storage?
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[3:55] <shiftplusone> As you'd expect
[3:56] <Jaimbo> :/
[3:56] <Jaimbo> As it is now, it works.
[3:56] <shiftplusone> no major issues there
[3:56] <shiftplusone> other than the bandwidth thing
[3:56] <Jaimbo> Even just splitting off apache on to a new Pi and then messing around with what I can do would be a benefit
[3:57] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't expect any major improvements, to be honest
[3:57] <Jaimbo> I'm relatively certain that I have to keep Deluge and samba on the same Pi
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[3:58] <Jaimbo> I am pretty sure CP can be moved easily enough, it adds torrents via webUI and then renames and moves them when done
[3:58] <Jaimbo> That should be no problem even for the Pi over the net
[3:58] <ShorTie> if bandwidth is your problem, doesn't that mean moving things around on your network actually is going to make the problem worst not better ??
[3:58] <Jaimbo> In it's current situation bandwith is fine
[3:59] <Jaimbo> bandwidth*
[4:00] <shiftplusone> Hmm... the company just doubled the price of my plan and are telling me how great it is that it's $1 cheaper than what new customers get.
[4:01] <shiftplusone> (the mobile phone plan, I mean)
[4:02] <shiftplusone> Oh and the included data had gone from 2GB to 200MB.... lovely
[4:02] <Jaimbo> According to PCMonitor, the Pi has 23Mb of memory left and has 60-80% CPU usage
[4:03] <shiftplusone> Jaimbo, you can cut that memory usage down a lot by tweaking mysql and switching to nginx
[4:03] <Jaimbo> @shiftplusone I think you just spoke english to me but I am unsure
[4:05] <shiftplusone> =/
[4:05] <Jaimbo> :p
[4:05] * shiftplusone goes to look for a new telco
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[4:08] <Jaimbo> Here in the UK I am with three
[4:09] <Jaimbo> Unlimited data, 2000 minutes, 5000 texts, 5000 minutes to other three users and 5000 texts to other three users £15 per month
[4:09] <shiftplusone> Three were terrible and no longer operate here.
[4:10] <shiftplusone> well, they merged with vodaphone, which is now terrible on its own
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[4:13] <ShorTie> i get my choice of verizon, verizon or verizon .. :/~
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[4:14] <shiftplusone> Don't you guys also have sprint?
[4:14] <Jaimbo> Lucky you"
[4:14] <Jaimbo> !*
[4:14] <Jaimbo> Will nearly 3:30 am here, better go
[4:14] <ShorTie> ya there is sprint and others
[4:14] <Jaimbo> Many thanks for the help guys!
[4:15] <ShorTie> but i still can not get any from verizon without causing me more hassle
[4:16] <ShorTie> and not totally anyways
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[4:17] <ShorTie> 2 land line, 4 cell phones and dsl all in 1 bill
[4:17] <shiftplusone> Hmm, might go with my ISP's (iiNet) mobile plan. They're generally a good guy... successfully fighting stupid new laws, American 'trade organizations' and so on.
[4:17] <ShorTie> best i could do is split the cells' off
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[4:19] <ShorTie> we've have gone thru 107g over the dsl this month so far, so any thing mobile wouldn't be to affordable for that .. :/~
[4:20] <shiftplusone> heh
[4:20] <shiftplusone> yeah, a guy a I know got a bill for a couple thousand dollars for mobile broadband
[4:21] <ShorTie> ofcourse, if i quit wiping and reloading my sdcards i might be able to cut that down a touch
[4:21] <ShorTie> ooch
[4:21] <ShorTie> made his month i bet
[4:22] <shiftplusone> He contacted the telecommunications ombudsman and the company was forced to refund everything. They ended up including free data usage for next month as well.
[4:23] <ShorTie> that was lucky
[4:24] <shiftplusone> Nuh, that sort of thing happens all the time. The telcos are clearly in the wrong and the worst they can do is refund your money and cut off your service.
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[4:24] <shiftplusone> which is exactly what they did before he complained to the ombudsman and went directly through the phone company
[4:25] <shiftplusone> my ex also has her phone service cut after complaining about data usage charges
[4:25] <shiftplusone> I think they'll crack down on that sort of thing sooner or later.
[4:26] <shiftplusone> Reminds me of the ridiculous days when mobile service providers would charge silly amounts for SMS, MMS, WAP and such.
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[4:27] <ShorTie> atleast verizon is nice, they start warning me when any of my phones hits 50% usage of anything
[4:28] <shiftplusone> that's a start
[4:29] <shiftplusone> but I think they should really provide the option of limiting the service until the end of the month (as normal ISPs do) rather than charging by the MB.
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[4:29] * shiftplusone is feeling ranty for some reason. >.>
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[4:34] <ShorTie> actaully, they warn me as the master and the phone # itself
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[4:57] <shiftplusone> Pretty cool bare metal BASIC for the pi. http://www.dex-os.com/DexBasic/Lesson1.htm
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[4:58] <shiftplusone> I haven't looked at it closely before... thought it was yet another BASIC, but its actually a good idea.
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[5:07] <Psil0Cybin> hey whats up guys!
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[5:08] <shiftplusone> Hello again
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[6:37] <shiftplusone> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25944840 heh... if people think the NSA is bad... >_<
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[9:59] <Gorroth> b
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[11:14] <shiftplusone> smart... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-31/shark-drum-lines/5230482 ... shark bait should be a great way to make beaches safer. >_<
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[11:20] <ShorTie> ya, really
[11:20] <ShorTie> thats more like a public dis-service
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[11:26] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[11:26] <shiftplusone> Hello
[11:26] <shiftplusone> djazz, around?
[11:26] <ShorTie> mornin
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, DexBasic was really a big set of macros for an assembler last time I looked. Good indea though.
[11:27] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's exactly it
[11:27] <shiftplusone> I've heard of it a while back from the forum and thought 'meh', but after going through the website, it seems better than it sounds
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> He has popped in here from tiem to time.
[11:28] <shiftplusone> Ah, under what nick?
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> not 100% sure, but I recall chatting with him briefly.
[11:28] <shiftplusone> ah
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[11:30] <edjuh> is there a write up how to get the dx.com 2.4TFT in working order
[11:30] <edjuh> ?
[11:31] <djazz> shiftplusone: yes?
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> don't they give you a link?
[11:31] <shiftplusone> djazz, was wondering where you get music for your radio thing from a while back.
[11:32] <edjuh> gordonDrogon: not that I am aware of
[11:32] <shiftplusone> I forgot jamendo don't allow streaming without buying a license.
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> edjuh, best to not buy it then...
[11:32] <djazz> shiftplusone: it was free music the creators uploaded to their YT channels
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> edjuh, get the one from adafruit...
[11:32] <edjuh> true words gordon
[11:32] <shiftplusone> djazz, ah ok
[11:33] <shiftplusone> djazz, thanks
[11:33] <djazz> why you wonder?
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[11:34] <shiftplusone> djazz, made a little jplayer thing with a file browser and considered throwing a demo out online with free music.
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[11:36] <shiftplusone> djazz, another question... I am guessing you used icecast?
[11:37] <shiftplusone> with mpd perhaps?
[11:37] <djazz> yes
[11:37] <shiftplusone> awesome, thanks.
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[11:39] <edjuh> gordonDrogon: found 'manual', its from elecfreaks.com
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[11:40] <shiftplusone> do you know what controller it uses and what interface it provides?
[11:40] <shiftplusone> edjuh ^
[11:40] <djazz> shiftplusone: here's a playlist with some of the music i played on the radio http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnEFNagEVM3f-Ita-MRKO9dxdND1N6HYg
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[11:41] <shiftplusone> thanks again, djazz
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[11:44] <edjuh> shiftplusone: not clear yet, (re)searching now
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[11:53] <edjuh> hmmzzz, it is 'velly chinesy all, yes '
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[12:03] <edjuh> shiftplusone: S6D112 (best guess)
[12:03] <shiftplusone> if you can't get clear information from the product page, it's more trouble than it's worth
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[12:04] <edjuh> http://imall.iteadstudio.com/im120417012.html
[12:05] <edjuh> so nothing lost, there is an arduino project as well :)
[12:05] <shiftplusone> something like that is very easy to use
[12:06] <edjuh> oh, do tell me
[12:06] <edjuh> 'disclaimer'.. fighting a cold while googling is not a good combo
[12:06] <shiftplusone> If there are no libraries for it for the pi and if there's no linux driver, porting the arduino library isn't hard.
[12:08] <edjuh> I have to rely on the truth of those words. It would be for me
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[12:08] <shiftplusone> How's your C and have you worked with any LCD before?
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[12:10] <edjuh> My C is non-exsistent, and no LCD experience (NOOB de luxe) but ..
[12:11] <edjuh> A buddy of mine is very good in C
[12:11] <shiftplusone> In that case, if you can't find someone who has done all the work already, you'll have a little bit of learning.
[12:12] <edjuh> my, telekineses at work
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> I'd not recommend it myself. There are other LCD touchscreens for the Pi that will just work.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> that's Arduino too - probably only run at 5v.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> might run on-top of a Gertduino, but then you have the issues of sending data to it via the Gertduino.
[12:12] <shiftplusone> says 3.3v in the description
[12:12] <edjuh> you will guess who just called ... With his nose in butter ;)
[12:13] <shiftplusone> ...I... I don't know what that means .... O_o
[12:13] <edjuh> bad translation .. gordonDrogon indeed
[12:14] <edjuh> shiftplusone: it means something like 'awkward precise timing'
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> hm. timing. time to put some bread in the oven...
[12:14] <edjuh> entering the farm at that precise moment the butter was finished, and therefore right on time to taste it
[12:14] <ShorTie> is it the touch part that is so fasinating, it surely can not be the size is it ??
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[12:15] <edjuh> ShorTie: it is both, we are planning to use it both as buttons, and colored feedback to an upcoming event
[12:16] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, I've looked at the arduino source code, it's all fairly straight forward. Wouldn't be hard to add it to wiringpi at all.
[12:16] * edjuh figting with python oh wait, have to shutup for a moment here
[12:16] <ShorTie> oh
[12:17] <edjuh> gordonDrogon / shiftplusone : I would not mind shipping one to one of you
[12:17] <shiftplusone> Don't look at me D=
[12:18] * edjuh makes it a general call
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[12:18] <gordonDrogon> I have too many displays... Have you looked at the 4D systems ones?
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> I could probably make a library for it based on my 128x64 library though.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/128x64.jpg
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> that uses an 8-bit parallel interface to draw on the screen.
[12:20] <shiftplusone> Don't those need some silly software on the PC? (the 4D displays)
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, yes - to program them, not to use them.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I had to run up XP on my old laptop.
[12:20] <shiftplusone> yeah, that really puts me off
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, you can get small touch screens - think mobile phones...
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[12:22] <edjuh> gordonDrogon: nice one the 128x64
[12:22] <ShorTie> ya true, but the thing there is mobile
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> I have one on a Pi that's half the size of the Pi - colour LCD plus touchscreen. It never went to market, but I'm under NDA with the makers, so can't show it )-:
[12:22] <ShorTie> rPi is not to mobile
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, sure - but I thought you wee surprised at the smalness of a touchscreen..
[12:23] <ShorTie> just seems like a lot of time, money and effort for a couple buttons
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[12:23] <ShorTie> oh no, not that phase of it
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> the tricky part is adding small screens like that into the kernel - but 95% of that has already been done and published. e.g. the Adafruit one.
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> however using them standalone is still pretty easy.
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> e.g. driving from a drdicated program rather than using them as a console framebuffer.
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> I get over 130 fps on that little 128x64 display.
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> but you only need to update it when something changes - so for the clock demo, it gets updated once a second. virtually no cpu overhead.
[12:26] <ShorTie> for buttons, a little different hardware work, you could get a much bigger display alot easier, imho
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[12:30] <gordonDrogon> or use external buttons rather than touchscreen ones.
[12:31] <ShorTie> that is what i was refering to
[12:31] <ShorTie> buttons to the gpio and display out the composite video
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> might be a good option - all depends on the application, but the 3.5" car reversing screens are getting cheaper...
[12:33] <ShorTie> ya, i got a 4.3" for under 20 dollars
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> right. breads looking good and I have 2 apple cakes to make for tonights wassailing in the local orchard - it's going to rain- they are going to get wet....
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> back later.
[12:34] <ShorTie> which would be like almost 4 times the size
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[12:35] <edjuh> ShorTie: the intended applications justifies the use of this (or another) LCD
[12:36] <ShorTie> ok, sorry, just making conversation i guess
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[12:40] <markedathome> anyone got the fft gpu stuff working? or kbow which forum it is being discussed?
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[12:41] <markedathome> in particular is it computing on the gpu and returning resultss to the cpu and plotting, or is the gpu plotting the results?
[12:42] <shiftplusone> edjuh, I had a nokia lcd screen that I was using with an STM32 dev board. Eventually, the breakout board died due to a design flaw, so I ordered another one. Ported the library over for that one and it turned out that that board was dead on arrival (after a lot of effort trying to 'debug' the library). Ordered another one and started working on the library, since it would take forever to arrive
[12:42] <shiftplusone> . It arrived cracked (hurray for ebay). Eventually got a breakout board that worked. The point being that once you get one working, other similar LCDs aren't hard.
[12:42] <markedathome> I am trying to work my way through the code.
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[12:42] <shiftplusone> Usually you just change the function to write the command and data, change the commands that are sent and the init sequence.
[12:43] <shiftplusone> don't know anything about the touchscreen though
[12:44] <markedathome> shiftplusone: Note the silly price http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/stm32f429i-disco/stm32f4-discovery-eval-board/dp/2355377
[12:44] <shiftplusone> That's the one.
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[12:45] <markedathome> I bought a plain board, didn't see that one until a couple of days later... still it is a nice dev board.
[12:45] <shiftplusone> They come with the LCD now though?
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[12:46] <shiftplusone> I got the one without the LCD, and getting it separately was pricey. But that doesn't look bad.
[12:46] <markedathome> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2009276&MER=bn-me-pd-r3-hist-all-1
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[12:46] <shiftplusone> I learned a lot with that board (and am still utterly clueless).
[12:46] <markedathome> I got that one which is what I assume you got?
[12:46] <shiftplusone> yeah
[12:47] <shiftplusone> used it to read C64 tapes =D
[12:48] <markedathome> I've been wondering if anyone has bitbanged a floppy on a pi yet, or a low clock ata ide drive...
[12:49] <shiftplusone> wouldn't the non-realtimeness of the pi be an issue there?
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[12:50] <markedathome> dunno. know it can't read above 25Mhz or something, maybe a bt less.
[12:51] <shiftplusone> Gordon gave me some numbers a while back, but I forget now.
[12:53] <shiftplusone> markedathome, anyway, the best forum to ask about the FFT library, is probably THE forum, since that's where the devs are.
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[12:54] <markedathome> just asked on the comments section, awaiting moderation...
[12:54] <shiftplusone> Just ask on the forum.
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[13:59] <gordonDrogon> hi
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> GPIO limit is that its driven via a 19.2MHz clock, so bitbanging a clock is limited to 19.2/2MHz absolute max.
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> some gpio functions can go faster - e.g. the SPI bus.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> I have toyed with the idea of hooking up my old Apple II drives to the Pi. Speed-wise it's more than fast enough (the Pi - Apple II runs at 1MHz) but there will be issues like interrupts & latency, however as long as you check the checsums, then reading it ought to be possible. Not sure I'd try writing it though.
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[14:08] <Doxin> so how unstable is the 5v line on the rpi? I'm having problems getting some i2c devices to work, and I noticed the LCD flickering when the rpi is on.
[14:08] <shiftplusone> it's only as good as your supply
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> Hopefully you'll be powering your I2C devices from 3.3v, however ...
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> ^what he said.
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[14:10] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: not if they are 5v devices
[14:10] <Doxin> shiftplusone: hmm
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> well.. if you're just using I2C then you might get away with it, but some fast i2C devices actively pull the I2C bus up to 5v - which will potentially kill the Pi..
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> Remember - the Pi's GPIO is all at 3.3v.
[14:11] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: I got a level shifter in there, no worries
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:11] <Doxin> still not working though :s
[14:12] <Doxin> it's just not detecting the device at all
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> stick a big capacitor of the 5v you take from the Pi to your devices - 16v, 47�F e.g.
[14:12] <ShorTie> LCD flickering, sure your not just over drawing what the rPi can supply ??
[14:12] <shiftplusone> I was under the impression that using an open collector was a defining feature I2C, so I2C devices are unable to to pull anything high by themselves. Have I been living a lie?
[14:12] <Doxin> ShorTie: possibly
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> there is that... Limit is 200mA without any USB peripherals... (ie. on the whole you have 200mA space shared between USB & GPIO)
[14:13] <Doxin> that is not a lot
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, that's true for most - but some high speed ones can drive it high.
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> brb. over timers are pinging...
[14:13] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: that /might/ be the problem, although the 3v3 i2c device still works
[14:13] <shiftplusone> ah... hmm.
[14:14] <shiftplusone> zZz time.
[14:14] <ShorTie> 3.3v devices have extra voltage buffering built in by defualt cause it is being regulated off of the 5v line
[14:15] <ShorTie> nite nite shiftplusone
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> Doxin, what's the device you have connected?
[14:17] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: i2c 5v lcd
[14:19] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: it's marked YwRobot something or other
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> ok. the only I2C ones I've seen so-far have been the adafruit one.
[14:20] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: it's basically just an LCD with a port expander soldered to it
[14:20] <Doxin> nothing fancy
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Arduino-compatible-IIC-I2C-TWI-YwRobot-Serial-LCD-1602-Module-/140893044510
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> like that?
[14:21] <Doxin> yep, the expansion board is the same, different lcd though
[14:21] <Doxin> mine is 16x4 white on blue
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> and i2cdetect shows nothing?
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[14:23] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: only the other i2c device I got hooked up
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> oh well - at least your I2C is working OK on the Pi then.
[14:23] <Doxin> yepyep
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[14:24] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: I checked the level shifters functionality too, my multimeter tells me it works
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> not sure what to suggest then...
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> if it were me, and my Pi... I'd probably try it directly without the level shifters.... However I'd never recommend anyone else do this.
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[14:26] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: I got the levelshifter and it's working, so I don't see why I'd hook it up directly :P
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[14:28] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: I'm really stumped at what's broken though
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> is your other device also working via the level shifter?
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[14:31] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: nope
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[14:48] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: so, no clue as to what's going on? the only thing I can imagine it being is power fluctuations
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[14:56] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: also is that 200ma limit even relevant on the 5V line?
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[14:58] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: I'd imagine it being wired from the gpio pins to the 5v input
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> hi - sorry - been in the kitchen doing some sourdough alchemy...
[14:59] <Doxin> lol
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[14:59] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: das fine, the shops don't close for a bit so I still have time to go get components :P
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> the 5v input to the Pi goes via a 700mA polyfuse - the Pi itself can use about 500mA, leaving 200...
[15:00] <Doxin> ah
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[15:00] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: well, the polyfuse isn't triggering yet, so that's not the problem
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> if you power the Pi via the GPIO then that limitation goes away - at the expense of less protection.
[15:02] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: I'm powering it through the mini usb connector
[15:02] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: but I'm obviously not hitting the limit yet
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[15:04] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: so the only possible problem left is the supply being unstable I guess
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[15:05] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: or the LCD being bork, but lets not assume that
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> who knows (if the LCD is broken).
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> hard to test, really.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> do you have any other I2C devices you can run on the othe side of the level converter?
[15:10] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: nope.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> )-:
[15:10] <Doxin> yep
[15:10] <Doxin> stupid problems
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> what's the other I2C device on the inside?
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> can it run at 5v?
[15:11] <Doxin> 16 bit port expander, and I don't think so
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> mcp23017?
[15:11] <Doxin> 23016
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> pretty sure they're fine at 5v.
[15:11] <Doxin> I'm not going to desolder that in either case :P
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> a-ha...
[15:12] <Doxin> :)
[15:12] <Doxin> I have this bad habbit of not breadboarding my circuits first to see if they work
[15:14] <SiC> becareful breadboarding
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> Riiiight ...
[15:14] <SiC> a circuit may not work on a breadboard but works on a proper PCB/veroboard
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> becareful ... anything.
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[15:14] <Doxin> SiC: it's on protoboard right now
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[15:15] <Doxin> SiC: still not working though :P
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/stressTest.jpg <-- spaghetti breadboarding...
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> and I guess you're tried the obvious swapping of the 2 I2C wires - and the even more obvious of connecting the 0v up... (which you must have if the display lights up!)
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[15:19] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: I checked if the i2c wired were hooked up right, I didn't try swapping them though
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[15:19] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: that picture makes my protoboard look tidy :P
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[15:20] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: I'm going to try and swap the i2c lines. costs nothing and it might fix everything :D
[15:21] <Doxin> be back in a bit ^-^
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> er ... I've just checked something.... The backplate for that display is a pcf8574 - it's a small GPIO expander line the mcp23016, etc. I think it's default I2C address is 0x20 - same as the mcp23016 you already have - try unplugging the 23016...
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> it's an intersting chip. the pins are both input and output at the same time...
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> there is a wiringPi driver for it, so you can probably hook it into my standard lcd driver if you're using wiringPi ...
[15:31] <Doxin> the wobsite told me it uses adress 27, but them chinese might be lying to me
[15:31] <Doxin> that's a good pointer btw
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[15:40] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: the three adress pins on it are all tied to vcc, so it should be at adress 27
[15:41] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: it's not interfering with the port expander either
[15:44] <Doxin> ;_;
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> ah well. just a thought.
[15:44] <Doxin> gordonDrogon: twas a good guess really
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> going to brave the weather to pop out for a bit. rain, rain & more rain...
[15:45] <Doxin> thanks for the help so fa
[15:45] <Doxin> r
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[16:17] <Raynerd> Hi, hoping someone could help. I`m currently at work in a school and trying to connect a RasPi to the internet through a proxy. I have set proxys and it works in internet explorer and can get apt-get BUT I can`t seem to use a script to upload data from the GPIO to a website!
[16:18] <Raynerd> When I try and ping any site I get NO repsonse so in my opinion I`m not seing outside of the local network in terminal.
[16:18] <Raynerd> then I don`t really understand networks.... any help appreciated.
[16:19] <Raynerd> I`ve built a weather station with the kids that beems data to Xively.com but when the python script runs, it just crashes as it can`t upload the data
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[16:19] <Raynerd> works fine at home so know it works.
[16:19] <nid0> what response do you get pinging 8.8.8.8
[16:20] <Doxin> Raynerd: your school might be blocking the port you're using
[16:20] <Raynerd> it times out...
[16:21] <Raynerd> Doxin I thought that but the only thing I can see in the script is a webaddress that it must be loading the data to and I can access that in midori
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[16:21] <nid0> you said you setup your school's proxy info
[16:21] <nid0> where did you set that up
[16:22] <Raynerd> I did this: http://www.prmrytchr.co.uk/2013/03/19/connecting-raspberry-pi-through-school-proxy/
[16:23] <Raynerd> created a new file 10Proxy and added the information of proxy and port
[16:23] <Raynerd> this definately did something as "sudo apt-get" did not work... then with this it does
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[16:24] <Raynerd> is there a terminal command to "see" what proxys are set?
[16:24] <Raynerd> ifconfig doesn`t show proxys
[16:24] <Raynerd> I thought there was a ifconfig -all but that didn`t work when I tried or tried to google it
[16:25] <nid0> you will probably also need to add your proxy info to /etc/environment
[16:25] <Raynerd> nid0 - did that as well :-(
[16:25] <Raynerd> Is there no command to just check what proxys are set??
[16:26] <Raynerd> nid0 - is that another 10Proxy file in /etc/environments
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[16:36] <Raynerd> No one got any ideas? Proxy set as far as I can see. Is there no way to check?
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[16:39] <Raynerd> Doxin - how would I go about finding exactly what port I`m using?
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[16:58] <quem> sigh. i have 32gb cards that my raspberry pi can run raspbian off just fine.
[16:59] <quem> and i have 16gb cards which it won't run. so i got a 8gb card that is OK according to the list
[16:59] <quem> but it's not booting.
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[17:49] <MProg> hi _o/
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[18:29] <rwb> Hi Does anybody know: Will a USB 3.0 ethernet adapter work OK as a second eth port? Or do I have to use USB 2.0? I have a revision 2 model B...
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm under the impression that USB3 things will fall-back to USB2... why not plug it in and see?
[18:39] <rwb> That's what I'm hoping. I don't have one (yet...)
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> would it not be prudent to just get one of the many ones that people know work directly on the Pi?
[18:44] <rwb> Hmm.. I would probobly rather that. Any advice?
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[18:45] <oldtopman> I have a USB 3.0 external had drive - works great on my old laptop with 2.0 ports.
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[18:46] <gordonDrogon> rwb depends on where you are ...
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> I have something like this: http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/tp-link-150mbps-wireless-n-nano-usb-adaptor
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[18:47] <MProg> euh
[18:47] <MProg> I think he said ethernet
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> Ah, Doh! indeed
[18:49] <MProg> http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Ethernet_adapters
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[18:50] <rwb> Yea, I want it all wired...
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[18:50] <MProg> wires forever ;)
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[18:50] <rwb> Thanks for the links!
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> yea, must admin I prefer wired to wireless.
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[18:59] <MProg> I wonder how much those USB-ethernet adapters cost
[18:59] <funkster> need to brainstorm the best way to do this guys: have rip device that connects over wifi. i built a script that will send the available wireless network to a public server/app where you select wireless network and the password, rip then takes that info and connects to wireless network, all while wired. my issue, is i want to only use wired when there is no wireless, and wireless when there is no wired.
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[19:00] <funkster> the default route is wireless when i connect wireless and wired, should i cron to check if wireless is connected and disable wired, along with checking if wireless is available and connect wireless? trying to make it all seamless
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[19:08] <rwb> I have not use it, but maybe keepalived?
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[19:15] <funkster> rwb: i don't think that would apply in this situation
[19:16] <basti> why didnt put the deleopers of the pi ver2 a pin strip on the secondary gpio connector?
[19:17] <IT_Sean> secondary gpio connector?
[19:17] <basti> the 8 pin one
[19:17] <Jusii> funkster: wicd and network manager might do that just automatically
[19:17] <IT_Sean> In the middle?
[19:18] <basti> no, right beisde the main gpio
[19:18] <Jusii> funkster: if I understood you correctly. Use wired if it's connected, if not, then wireless
[19:18] <IT_Sean> I'm not sure which you are referrign to, sorry. I haven't got a raspi in front of me.
[19:19] <basti> http://www.panu.it/raspberry/R2.jpg
[19:19] <funkster> Jusii: correct. is wicd/networkmanager part of the /etc/network/interfaces setup?
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[19:20] <IT_Sean> Oh, that one. I would say for two reasons 1) lack of interest / support and 2) cost.
[19:20] <basti> wicd is just a gui
[19:20] <Jusii> funkster: no, they're separate network connection managers, they don't use interfaces
[19:20] <Jusii> wicd is nice and easy, has curses interface for configration
[19:20] <funkster> ohh, as of now i just setup interfaces and restart /etc/init.d/networking or ifdown/up
[19:21] <basti> you dont need wicd then
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[19:21] <funkster> ok so.. what is recommended to accomplish my end goal. bast and Jusii seems to be have two conflicting statements?
[19:21] <MProg> basti, if you're talking about P5 I think it's just to cut cost
[19:21] <Jusii> wicd would do automatically what you want, after it detects network cable it will use that
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[19:22] <MProg> because it is useful and supported ;)
[19:22] <funkster> Jusii: when you say "use" what do you mean, do you mean it will re-route so all traffic goes over eth0/wired but wireless is still "connected" or?
[19:23] <Jusii> funkster: now I have to admit, that I don't really remember if it disconnects wireless or not
[19:23] <funkster> wicd is GUI only? i don't have any window manager on this
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[19:23] <Jusii> textmode gui + commandline tools
[19:24] <Jusii> http://www.raspyfi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/raspberrywi-fi.png
[19:24] <funkster> i see, i think i can accomplish what wick does with a bash script tho, using ifdown/up
[19:24] <funkster> wicd*
[19:24] <Jusii> sure you can
[19:24] <Linnak> Hi, I'd like to know there is a difference between 256MB and 512MB Raspberry Pi when using XBMC
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[19:28] <funkster> is there a way i can ping though a certain network device? when i have wireless/wired connected it defaults to wireless, id like to disable wireless but make sure wired works, when i use ping -I eth0 yahoo.com, it doesn't go though, and looks like its due to the default route. - anyone have an idea?
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[19:28] <xenrar> funkster: man ping
[19:28] <xenrar> or just use -I :)
[19:29] <funkster> xenrar: i did you read what i said?
[19:29] <funkster> xenrar: i specifically said i used ping -I ...
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[19:29] <xenrar> funkster: then the device isnt your problem... have you checked your routes?
[19:30] <funkster> xenrar: you obviously didn't read, i JUST said its due to my routes...
[19:30] <funkster> and looking for a overall solution on what to do… geez man.
[19:30] <xenrar> funkster: your question was asking ping to use a specific nic
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[19:31] <xenrar> what are you trying to acheive ?
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[19:31] <funkster> xenrar: read.
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[19:32] <xenrar> "when i ping it doesnt go"
[19:32] <xenrar> ...
[19:32] <funkster> i stated what i needed, if you are confused then ask, but you are just relating exactly what i said.
[19:32] <funkster> the ping isn't successful, doesn't reach destination.
[19:32] <xenrar> funkster: what does the route comman output?
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[19:33] <funkster> default route is wlan0
[19:33] <xenrar> are you using dhcp on the wired link >?
[19:33] <funkster> yes.
[19:33] <funkster> and wireless.
[19:34] <xenrar> so just add a default route for eth0... "route add default gw 192.168.x.x eth0"
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[19:35] <funkster> 1. i can't hardcode any IPs
[19:35] <xenrar> funkster: nobody is telling you to...
[19:35] <xenrar> the IP is the IP of the gateway
[19:35] <funkster> that will remove the wlan0 default gateway then, correct?
[19:36] <xenrar> no
[19:36] <xenrar> .
[19:36] <funkster> i can have two default gateways on two different interfaces in the route table?
[19:36] <xenrar> yes
[19:36] <funkster> gotcha
[19:36] <xenrar> the 'default' is default to the nic
[19:36] <xenrar> not default for the system
[19:37] <funkster> so, when i have only eth0 connected, the default gw is correct, when i ifup wlan0 is remove that default gw - how can i disable that from happening? something in the network manager?
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[19:37] <xenrar> e.g. http://pastebin.com/QJsDCwmC
[19:38] <funkster> xenrar: yeah makes sense, but the /etc/network/interfaces is remove the eth0 default gateway for some reason when i ifup wlan0, that seems to be the issue i need to resolve
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[19:42] <xenrar> funkster: i think the dhcp client daemon will always overwrite an existing 'default'
[19:43] <funkster> xenrar: damn.
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[19:45] <xenrar> funkster: are both the wireless and wired connections for internet access?
[19:45] <funkster> xenrar: yes.
[19:45] <xenrar> funkster: are you using one as a backup?
[19:46] <funkster> xenrar: basically used like: if wifi isn't working use wired, if wired isn't available use wifi. all seamless
[19:46] <funkster> in a sense, a backup. yes.
[19:46] <IT_Sean> what if both are available? what if neither?
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[19:48] <funkster> IT_Sean: wired will be used if both, if none.. then we we just loop a script until we detect internet connected.
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[19:49] <IT_Sean> Well... you've just thought of everything then, haven't you!?
[19:50] <funkster> i will ifdown wireless when i detect wired is working, and i will ifdown wired if i get a request coming in to go wireless only.
[19:50] <funkster> yes =D
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[19:50] <funkster> i think dhcp is removing my default gw for wired when wireless is ifup'ed =(
[19:51] <xenrar> funkster: add the route command to your script :)
[19:51] <funkster> what script exactly? in the ifup?
[19:52] <xenrar> the one youre using to switch between connections
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[19:53] <Doxin> I'm having some trouble getting a YWRobot i2c lcd to work. I've got it hooked up to the i2c bus through a level shifter, and my multimeter indicates comunications should be working on both sides of the shifter, and yet the lcd doesn't show up in i2c enumeration. any pointers?
[19:53] <funkster> that could work.
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[19:59] <Doxin> halp?
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[20:54] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: You about?
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[20:55] <shiftplusone> yes sir
[20:55] <Raynerd> Hi. I was looking for some helpas i am gutted!
[20:56] <Raynerd> You remember the airpi code you looked at the other day? All was working well and I was proud of the bit of code I had added
[20:56] <Raynerd> Anyway, took it into school today and still I can't connect via school proxy and network!
[20:57] <Raynerd> I added the proxy scripts in terminal that you told me to and still nothing!!
[20:57] <Raynerd> It just can't upload the data to xively
[20:57] <shiftplusone> are you sure it's just a proxy and there's no extra login page?
[20:58] <Raynerd> How do you mean?
[20:58] <Raynerd> Oh, like user and password?
[20:58] <shiftplusone> yeah
[20:59] <shiftplusone> Some networks, schools in particular, will have a proxy and then when you open the browser, you have to login once before you can access other sites
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[20:59] <Raynerd> No, I have no clue about networks but I can tell you that I can bring in my ipad, put I. The proxy and access the web.. Also, sudo apt-get didn't work before I added your scripts and then they did! Your code clearly did something but won't let the airpi update the data to xively
[20:59] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: No, definitely. Just proxy and port and you are in.
[21:01] <Raynerd> I even had the it bloke come and observe the firewall traffic and when I attempted to connect it didn't even show anything hitting the firewall!!! Yet bring it home now and it works fine
[21:01] <shiftplusone> did you check for error messages?
[21:02] <Raynerd> Haha... We have been here before! How do you check? The script just says "unable to upload" but basic reading of the code shows that is just a print command if xively doesn't go through. It doesn't say why xively didn't send
[21:02] <ShorTie> did you try any of the cli utilies to find out about the network to see any problems might show up
[21:03] <Raynerd> Sorry.. You have lost me but I'd like to know more.
[21:03] <shiftplusone> I think you need to write a smaller testcase that you can play around with
[21:03] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: That is beyond me.
[21:03] <Raynerd> I'm please with the RasPi, I know I'll be able to set them up for the kids now so I'm happy
[21:03] <ShorTie> you know like iwlist, iwscan, or what every ....
[21:04] <Raynerd> It is just this extra weather station pi
[21:04] <Raynerd> ShorTie: no, didn't know those commands. You know ifconfig. Is there a code which shows the set proxy settings?
[21:04] <Raynerd> ShorTie: I'll google them now and see what they tell me
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[21:05] <Raynerd> Iwlist seems wireless - I'm wired
[21:07] <Raynerd> If I can't sort this, IT can't help me! :-(
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[21:08] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, I think it's time for you to learn python
[21:08] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: Haha, give me a break man! I'm trying. I've added to this code and I'm buzzing.
[21:08] <shiftplusone> In particular, go through this http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/user/quickstart/
[21:09] <ShorTie> then there is ifconfig, and i would guess more that might tell more
[21:10] <Raynerd> ShorTie: Yes, know ifconfig, but it doesn't show proxys set
[21:10] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, the word on the street is that, he can access stuff from the browser just fine, so I am not sure ifconfig will shed any light there.
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[21:11] <Raynerd> Browser is fine and not only that, the IT bloke pinged internal address and all was ok
[21:11] <Raynerd> So I am connected fine
[21:11] <Raynerd> Got to be the IP blocked
[21:11] <Raynerd> ??
[21:12] <ShorTie> oh
[21:12] <Raynerd> https://github.com/tomhartley/AirPi/blob/master/outputs/xively.py
[21:12] <Raynerd> Is that the site that it is uploading to???
[21:13] <shiftplusone> eh? It's uploading to xively, as you know.
[21:13] <ShorTie> so it like works internally ok, but can't get out
[21:13] <ShorTie> like it doesn't know the right gateway
[21:13] <shiftplusone> Do you get text saying "Xively Error: " and then... some error?
[21:13] <Raynerd> No, just upload failed
[21:14] <shiftplusone> I don't see that string in the code
[21:14] <Raynerd> ShorTie: I can access all websites, sudo apt get from terminal and ping all internal devices
[21:14] <Raynerd> Just can't run that airpi.py script
[21:14] <ShorTie> what is in resolve.conf and does it get updated properly ??
[21:14] <Raynerd> I thought I was uploading the data to https://api.xively.com/v2/feeds
[21:15] <shiftplusone> RaycisCharles, yes
[21:15] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, you are
[21:15] <shiftplusone> argh... people shouldn't have more than 2 chars the same in a nick >_<
[21:15] <Raynerd> In which case I can also access this website from school! It does ask for a username and password but presume the is the API key info
[21:16] <Raynerd> This is why I am close to tears!!! On my pi I can access https://api.xively.com/v2/feedsin the browser!!
[21:16] <Encrypt> Is it me or Mouser is far cheaper than Farnell?
[21:16] <Raynerd> Is there any reason why I couldn't access a site from terminal???
[21:17] <magnulu> hi.. I have connected a seven ds18b20's to my pi.. now I get strange readings from one of the sensors.. either 85.00 celsius or 127.94 celsius, nothing else.. any thoughts?
[21:17] <Raynerd> I know I'm asking a lot, but if you look at all the airpi scripts... Do I need to some how set the proxys in there??? I'm just at a loss and spent £50 of schools money and could do with sorting it
[21:17] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, are you are the school now? can you do some testing?
[21:17] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: No mate. Friday evening here 8pm and at home
[21:17] <Raynerd> I must admit I came on earlier whilst at school hoping I'd catch you
[21:17] <magnulu> it is taped to a hot water pipe that should carry a maximum of 70 degrees celsius.. the sensors are also connected with a 2.2k pullup.. it has been stable during testing
[21:19] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: I am not totally devastated. The whole exercise has shown I can setup and pi and connect it to the internet at school!! I just need to get this working for the one pi that will become the weather station!
[21:20] <shiftplusone> you can user IRC from the school next time you're there?
[21:20] <Raynerd> Yes... We have just switched host and unbelievable web irc is not blocked!
[21:21] <Raynerd> Monday
[21:21] <shiftplusone> I'll probably be a bit too busy then, but I have a few ideas.
[21:22] <Raynerd> When Monday?
[21:22] <Raynerd> Are you UK?
[21:22] <shiftplusone> Aus
[21:22] <Raynerd> Ahhh!
[21:22] <Raynerd> That figures... You are always on in the evening and not during the day! Now I see why.
[21:22] <shiftplusone> But to be honest, it just involves seeing if the basic features of python requests work
[21:23] <shiftplusone> In the meantime, do read this http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/user/quickstart/
[21:23] <shiftplusone> open up python in terminal
[21:23] <Raynerd> Ok.. I will, honest
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[21:24] <shiftplusone> and just try running "import requests" then "r = requests.get('https://github.com/timeline.json')" then "r.content"
[21:25] <Raynerd> :-S
[21:25] <Raynerd> Ok
[21:25] <shiftplusone> come on, if you know C you should know exactly what that does
[21:25] <shiftplusone> import is like #include
[21:26] <Raynerd> Yes, ok
[21:27] <Raynerd> I do a little c! I am no expert but know enough to get by. I made a rotary table divider and recently a coin change machine
[21:27] <Raynerd> http://www.raynerd.co.uk/?p=1756
[21:27] <ShorTie> oh, so this is like your own program
[21:28] <shiftplusone> then there's no main to worry about, you just create the requests object and initialise it with requests.get() (which send an http get request and then fills the r object with all the data)
[21:28] <shiftplusone> then you can read it back
[21:28] <shiftplusone> and if that doesn't work, you have a clear path to figure out at which step things go wrong
[21:28] <Raynerd> ShorTie: airpi? No no no!!!
[21:29] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: Ok :-p
[21:30] <shiftplusone> I've also linked you to documentation on how to hardcode the proxy in, rather than relying on the env vars
[21:30] <ShorTie> thats a weather station ??
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[21:32] <ShorTie> so like shiftplusone was talking about, it seem like the proper includes are not included to make the right internet connection/packages
[21:32] <Raynerd> ShorTie: Yes,
[21:32] <shiftplusone> That's not what I was talking about D=\
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[21:33] <Raynerd> That sounds good... Hardcodi g proxy in
[21:33] <shiftplusone> Either way, not much you can do before you're at the school (besides some light reading)
[21:33] <shiftplusone> and playing around with python
[21:33] <shiftplusone> ... did I mention you should play around with python?
[21:33] <shiftplusone> If not, you should play around with python.
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[21:34] <IT_Sean> heynow
[21:35] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: Thanks for the advice :-) I've been playing!
[21:35] <Raynerd> Right off for my tea. Thanks for the advice
[21:35] <shiftplusone> Good luck
[21:35] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: Before I go was it the first or second link re hardcoding proxy in?
[21:35] <user1> trying to read and write to the pins on a parallel port, I have found a short c++ code that writes to pins 10-13 & 15 (ACK,BUSY,PE,SEL,ERROR) this is good but I would like to use data pins 2-9, the code is here https://dpaste.de/wOtj
[21:35] <Raynerd> Just so I know please
[21:36] <shiftplusone> http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/user/advanced/#proxies
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[21:36] <uriah> hello
[21:37] <uriah> just wondering... how stable can i expect the rpi-3.13.y kernel git branch to be atm?
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[21:37] <shiftplusone> uriah, probably a "try it and see" sort of question.
[21:37] <uriah> shiftplusone: probably, eh...
[21:38] <uriah> has anyone tried it out?
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[21:46] <ShorTie> oh, airpi.py
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[22:02] <MProg> user1, if I recall correctly there are only 8 data pins on a parallel port
[22:02] <MProg> D0 to D7
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[22:02] <MProg> and... they're at the base address of the port
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[22:03] <MProg> and... with a quick glance at your code you're already writing to the base address
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[22:04] <MProg> (888 = 0x378)
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[22:21] <Scriptonaut> does anybody know of a really cheap e ink display for the raspberry pi? I just want the display, the kindleberry pi seems a bit awkward and weird (sshing from the kindle into the pi)
[22:21] <Scriptonaut> an e ink display that is compatible with the pi
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[22:25] <SebSemmi> how I can reach the Pi via ssh by the hostname not the IP address?
[22:27] <shiftplusone> Make sure you use your router's DNS and make sure your router provides that functionality.
[22:27] <shiftplusone> If not, either edit your hosts file or use avahi
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[23:33] <limitz-ARSNL> gordondrogon: it is possible to interface WiringPi with the MCP23017 correct?
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> limitz-ARSNL, hi - sure. there's a driver for it.
[23:34] <limitz-ARSNL> is this what you are referring too?
[23:34] <limitz-ARSNL> http://wiringpi.com/extensions/i2c-mcp23008-mcp23017/
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[23:35] <limitz-ARSNL> i'd like to connect 4 stepper motors to the MCP23017, use the ULN2003 to drive the motors, and utilize the pi to control them all via I2C. just trying to find the easiest way to do that
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> that might work. won't be too fast and be careful of the current draw - the 2003's are 500mA max.
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