#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-02-02

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[0:10] <demlak> pksato you remember the PWM and 230v discussion? I found a simple and cheap solution. Velleman K8064 kit.. DC controlled dimmer
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[0:11] <pksato> demlak: this? http://www.vellemanusa.com/products/view/?country=us&lang=enu&id=521945
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[0:12] <demlak> yes
[0:13] <demlak> starts at 17 euro here in germany
[0:14] <pksato> not so cheap for me. :)
[0:15] <demlak> cheap enough to not start learning electronic basics for developing a nice circuit for the same target =)
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[2:19] <Datalink> I wonder, would the Pi be able to handle a NAND Flash device like the Odroid's eMMC chips?
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[2:28] <plugwash> An eMMC is not a plain NAND, it's a device similar to but slightly different from a SD card
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[4:01] <halabund> Is it possible and convenient to set up and use a raspberry pi without any screen I could connect? Is it for example possible to simply use X forwarding or VNC and still be able to use a GUI? (GUI is important for my application.)
[4:02] <shiftplusone> yeah
[4:03] <pksato> if not need GPU (play videos), yes.
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[4:04] <ports> woah
[4:05] <shiftplusone> woah indeed
[4:05] <ports> i didnt expect a lot of users in here
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[4:06] <shiftplusone> ah
[4:06] <ports> im thinking of ditching my VPS provider and using a RPI to run ZNC/irssi/tmux from home..
[4:06] <shiftplusone> that'll work
[4:06] <ports> certainly it has the horsepower
[4:06] <trickyhero> it works great
[4:06] <ports> if it plays 1080p.. it can irc
[4:07] <shiftplusone> yes, but that's bad reasoning
[4:07] <shiftplusone> it uses the GPU to play videos... can't use the GPU for IRC
[4:07] <ports> shiftplusone: not yet!
[4:08] <ports> anyhow.. im wondering if there's anything else i do that i could toss on it
[4:08] <shiftplusone> could throw a torrent client and a web server on there
[4:09] <ports> thats what i was thinking
[4:09] <ports> torrent.. and store it on an SD or something
[4:09] <ports> is there a linux client for dropbox?
[4:09] <ports> ayep, there is
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[4:11] <halabund> shiftplusone: sorry for the delay, there’s a bird here that keeps distracting me … so does that include setup too, or only usage after setup?
[4:11] <ports> right now i have utorrent setup to watch a dropbox folder.. and it auto downloads stuff i put in there
[4:11] <shiftplusone> halabund, ssh is enabled by default (after you install raspbian or arch), you'll need to set up vnc though
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[4:20] <ports> shiftplusone: theres a kit on amazon $50 for a model B, clear case, and wifi adapter..
[4:20] <sney> that seems reasonable. as long as the wifi adapter isn't a crappy one anyway
[4:20] <ports> it doesnt have a logo on it
[4:20] <ports> its probably some POS
[4:21] <shiftplusone> best to use ethernet if you can
[4:21] <ports> why?
[4:21] <sney> the chip is the important part, and yeah, a crappy wifi adapter is such a headache with linux
[4:22] <ports> amazon item B00D2CN730
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[4:22] <[Saint]> The main probalem I see is people wondering why their picoUSB wifi adapter they got for $5 has a range of 12"
[4:22] <[Saint]> WHy? "You gots no antenna, yo".
[4:22] <ports> for now.. my cable modem is next to my tv.. where id put the raspi
[4:23] <sney> or I should clarify: a crappy wifi adapter is a headache in linux for anyone who isn't an experienced linux user
[4:23] <shiftplusone> I've gone through quite a few wifi adapters. The good ones require a powered hub, the 'meh' ones that work and which many people recommend work, but I am far away from the router, so I get all kinds of problems. I found it's best to just leave it next to the router. That's my experience anyway.
[4:23] <[Saint]> ^ yeah, that.
[4:23] <sney> with experience, it's just kind of a time-consuming nuisance
[4:24] <[Saint]> You really need to have the magic combination of kernel, distro, and driver to get a "It Just Works" situation.
[4:24] <[Saint]> And those are few and far between.
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[4:24] <[Saint]> (but all the TP-Link picoUSB wireless N dongles "Just Work" now on Arch with a bleeding edge kernel
[4:24] <[Saint]> )
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[4:25] <[Saint]> Those cause some confusin, because there's three different variants that all need to be treated slightly differently.
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[4:26] <sney> the one that makes me want to tear my hair out is the stupid realtek 8188eu
[4:27] <shiftplusone> that's the one most people seem to be struggling with
[4:27] <sney> because some retailers have been selling it as raspberry pi approved? and you can only use it with a patched 3.12 kernel, which raspbian and derivatives don't even have available
[4:27] <sney> so it's like "welcome to linux, new user, now compile an out of tree driver"
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[4:27] <[Saint]> that one "just works" in the new kernel.
[4:27] <shiftplusone> I've compiled it a few times myself, since a few folks couldn't figure out how to.
[4:28] <[Saint]> On arch, that chipset happily worked for me after updating to the linux-raspberrypi-latest
[4:28] <[Saint]> It was very refreshing.
[4:28] <sney> [Saint]: well yeah, out-of-tree modules usually get merged in posthaste as long as they're not full of binary blobs or horribly broken, but that's not fun for people stuck on 3.10 for whatever reason.
[4:28] * [Saint] nods
[4:28] <sney> what's rpi-update (ugh) pushing these days? still 3.6.11+?
[4:29] <[Saint]> No idea.
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[4:29] <[Saint]> I steer clear of that /boot partition destroying mess.
[4:29] <shiftplusone> Bump to 3.10.28
[4:29] <sney> and probably no 8188eu driver
[4:29] <[Saint]> I think I have used rpi-update exactly once without trashing /boot
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[4:31] <ports> shiftplusone: does the rpi have hdmi out?
[4:31] <[Saint]> It does.
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[4:31] <shiftplusone> uhu
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[4:32] <ports> ?
[4:32] <ports> the amazon description says rca video
[4:32] <[Saint]> It would be correct.
[4:32] <shiftplusone> It also has composite
[4:33] <ports> hmm but theres hdmi on the board picture
[4:33] <sney> yeah it has hdmi and composite/rca
[4:33] <ports> i see a better description on newark
[4:34] <shiftplusone> maybe just take a look at the quickstart guide ont he official site
[4:34] <ports> fuck it, ill order it
[4:34] <shiftplusone> also, family friendly channel
[4:34] <sney> heh
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[4:34] <sney> the only one left on the internet
[4:34] <ports> newark isnt the official?
[4:34] <sney> newark is where I got mine. I think they're officially sanctioned at least
[4:34] <shiftplusone> newark is just a distributor
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[4:34] <ports> wow amazon, i hate you a little
[4:34] <sney> I wonder if I'm still on strike 2 with the swear bot
[4:35] <ports> an hour ago it was $40.00 .. a few minutes ago $40.40.. and it just raised the price to 20.75
[4:35] <ports> err 40.75
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[4:35] <shiftplusone> The bot is gone
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[4:35] <sney> I'll never know then
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[4:35] <[Saint]> any swear bot is bound to end in hilarious matching fails.
[4:36] <shiftplusone> sney, you're not flagged anywhere in any way here.
[4:36] <sney> haha it's fine, just idle curiosity
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[4:38] <ports> i could leave an rpi at work...
[4:39] <ports> but i wouldnt want to irc from my work ip
[4:40] <[Saint]> Everyone else does. :)
[4:41] <ports> people at my job cant spell IRC
[4:41] <[Saint]> Dyslexics? :)
[4:41] <ports> low intelligence
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[4:42] <ports> im a warehouse administrator.. deal with truck drivers, and warehouse, and dock workers all day
[4:43] <ports> are there any must get accessories for the rpi besides a case?
[4:43] <ports> ive got video cables.. i already have a 4port micro usb charger behind my tv.. an ethernet cords
[4:43] <[Saint]> I wouldn;t even necessarily say the case is "must get".
[4:44] <ports> i want a case on it
[4:44] <ports> because i might take it out of the house
[4:44] <m1nus> why would i not be able to use modprobe to view the temp sensor?
[4:45] <[Saint]> I usually just use the hialrious little pink case it ships with.
[4:45] <ports> oh
[4:46] <[Saint]> I can't say what condition you'll get it in if its not an official reseller, though.
[4:46] <ports> i wonder if i could stash the thing in a public place
[4:46] <[Saint]> With a good enough spot, sure.
[4:47] <[Saint]> I went out the other day and captured a bunch of traffic by overpowering a very weak free wifi AP.
[4:47] <[Saint]> I mean...errr...no I didn't.
[4:48] <ports> not to steal :P
[4:49] <ports> [Saint]: just to leave it running ssh/irssi for me somewhere.. from a public IP
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[4:50] <sney> eh just forward it outta your home connection and use dynamic dns. irc uses 0 bandwidth even both ways
[4:50] <ports> sney: hows that keep you from seeing my real ip?
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[4:51] <sney> if you want to keep other people on irc from knowing your real ip then you use a vhost
[4:51] <ports> sney: ...
[4:51] <[Saint]> Why do that when you can hostmask and use SASL?
[4:51] <ports> sney: an hour ago.. i had said i was thinking about using the rpi to run irc.. because my current VPS provider seriously sucks lately
[4:51] <sney> or that or whatever
[4:52] <[Saint]> "Hey, freenode guys - give me a hostmask"; "Ok, sure. Here, done".
[4:52] <ports> [Saint]: that works on this network only
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[4:52] <sney> other networks call it a vhost
[4:52] <sney> in many places I'm sney@sney.sney and nobody can know my ip. it's not for security reasons, but it might as well be
[4:53] <[Saint]> with anything that doesn't support SASL, just make sure you don't connect to any channels before you're authenticated.
[4:53] <[Saint]> Then your real IP should never be exposed.
[4:53] <sney> yeah. and if you use a bouncer that keeps you identified then that's taken care of transparently.
[4:53] <sney> the pi can run znc pretty effortlessly
[4:53] * [Saint] nods
[4:54] <ports> hm
[4:54] <[Saint]> The mistake I see people making is autoconnecting before authentication, then services "disconnect" and reconnect you.
[4:55] <[Saint]> You don;t see it, but everyone else sees your IP join, immediately leave, and then the hostmask join.
[4:55] <sney> yeah, connecting too fast
[4:55] <[Saint]> A bit of a fail unless you know about it.
[4:55] <[Saint]> SASL fixes this by making sure that the very first thing that happens is authentication.
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[5:47] <Datalink> m1nus, modprobe is for loading kernel modules, unless the hardware's on plug-and-play interfaces, you will have to specify the driver and some values
[5:49] <Datalink> !!! Java hard float for Pi... when did I miss this news...
[5:50] <shiftplusone> about 3 months agoish, I think... maybe more
[5:50] <shiftplusone> maybe mor elike 4 or 5
[5:51] <sney> openjdk finally finished building, in other words ;)
[5:51] * Datalink grabs it using the Pi
[5:51] <Datalink> haha, basically
[5:51] <plugwash> openjdk with hotspot zero has worked on raspbian pretty from the first time we tried to build it but it's SLOW
[5:52] <Datalink> speaking of slow, I should have file transfered the file instead of browsing from the pi over SSH-X11
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[5:52] <plugwash> cacao, jamvm and avian were brought into a usable condition some time after that
[5:53] <plugwash> And the oracle propietary jdk was the last to become available (and also the fastest)
[5:53] <shiftplusone> if you're going to use java, may as well use oracle
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[7:31] <mrmoney2012> chaps - can't ping my pi on wifi interface but can on ethernet.. any tips /
[7:32] <mrmoney2012> i have both connected and both interfaces have IP addresses
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[7:32] <mrmoney2012> i can't figure it... grrr
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[7:41] <AlterDim> Hello all, I'm trying to install node on a fresh raspbian install. I'd followed the usual method of install node(by wget-ing the binaries and sym linking), node seems to work fine, npm however throws Illegal Instruction. Any thoughts on this could be helpful. Thanks!
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[7:57] <mrmoney2012> ignore me - working - if in doubt... turn it off and on.
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[7:58] <turtlehat> try blowing into the connector on the cartridge
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[8:21] * [Saint] just forgot the golden rule
[8:21] <[Saint]> "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
[8:21] <Psil0Cybin> lol
[8:21] <Psil0Cybin> I tried, yelling at it, stabbing it, shaking it...
[8:21] <[Saint]> I just spent half an hour looking in extremely unlikely places for reasons why I had no ethernet activity.
[8:22] <[Saint]> When two simple checks could've pointed me in the right direction.
[8:22] <Psil0Cybin> which was?
[8:22] <[Saint]> Is ethernet working elsewhere?
[8:22] <Psil0Cybin> lol
[8:22] <Psil0Cybin> that is always a first step
[8:22] <Psil0Cybin> in debugging
[8:22] <[Saint]> Have you tried turning it off?
[8:22] <Psil0Cybin> any inssue
[8:22] <Psil0Cybin> i always try on another source
[8:23] <[Saint]> I did. But I made a very crude decision.
[8:23] <[Saint]> I checked my phone's wifi, and decided it couldn;t be the router at fault.
[8:23] <Psil0Cybin> oh i hate routers.
[8:23] <Psil0Cybin> all garbage
[8:23] <[Saint]> This router/switch combo hasn;t given me any grief before, except for once, and that was my fault.
[8:23] <[Saint]> I had all but forgotten the joys of routers.
[8:24] <[Saint]> Never again. :)
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[8:29] <AlterDim> Do you guys know the version of node that works on the RPi? I keep getting the "Illegal Instruction" error no matter which version I try to install.
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[8:46] <mrmoney2012> hmmm - still not convinced i solved it...
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[8:47] <mrmoney2012> trying to get it so that when ethernet cable pulled i can still get to pi on wifi
[8:47] <mrmoney2012> both interfaces have IP.. but when i pull ethernet i can't ssh on the wifi ip
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[9:23] <[Saint_]> Hoo boy...the Facebook Android app permissions sure are a laugh
[9:23] <[Saint_]> Ooops.
[9:24] * [Saint_] pretends saying that in this channel was intentional.
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[9:28] <shiftplusone> You tend to do that a lot >_<
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[9:56] <Raynerd> Hello. I'm trying to run my script at startup. Normally I would cd to directory and then run the script. If I just use sudo python /pathto/airpi.py it boots, but fails as it isn't in the directory for the other files. Basically, I want to run the python script headless on boot up. I'm trying to use crontab but don't seem to be able to dc and run the script?? Any help
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[9:56] <Raynerd> Dc is change directory cd
[9:57] <Raynerd> In sudo crontab I have a line @reboot python /pathto/airpi.py. But this clearly isn't working as it hasn't changed directory for the rest of the files that the script uses
[9:58] <shiftplusone> you
[9:58] <shiftplusone> hi
[9:58] <Raynerd> Hello
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[9:59] <shiftplusone> Would you like to set the working directory within python or elsewhere?
[10:00] <Raynerd> All my files are in AirPi/. So I just want to set that as the working directly.
[10:01] <shiftplusone> I got that. But you can make the script change the current working directory to the actual location of the script, OR you can change the working directory when cron runs the job
[10:01] <Raynerd> Ultimately, automatically at startup I would like to, open terminal, cd AirPi and then sudo python airpi.py
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[10:01] <Raynerd> No cron...
[10:01] <Raynerd> I think :[
[10:02] <shiftplusone> ...cron it is then... @reboot cd /path/to/dir && python airpi.py
[10:02] <Raynerd> I've been working on this all night, I have twitter feed, xively update and even a pi camera picture taken and tweeted :-)
[10:02] <Raynerd> Ahhh double && !!
[10:02] <shiftplusone> double &&? "&& &&"? >.>
[10:02] <Raynerd> I also noticed during googling that some people put an & right at the end of the line. Any idea why?
[10:03] <shiftplusone> try it in terminal
[10:03] <shiftplusone> you'll see
[10:03] <Raynerd> Ok
[10:03] <Raynerd> One sec...
[10:03] <[Saint]> indeedy.
[10:03] <shiftplusone> (while I pull up the bash manual to find a good description)
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[10:04] <[Saint]> "backgrounds task"
[10:04] <[Saint]> thats as simple as I could describe it I think.
[10:05] <[Saint]> Bit thats probably got some pitfall where it falls through.
[10:05] <Raynerd> Ah ok
[10:05] <shiftplusone> If a command is terminated by the control operator &, the shell executes the command in the background in a subshell. The shell
[10:05] <shiftplusone> does not wait for the command to finish, and the return status is 0. Commands separated by a ; are executed sequentially; the
[10:05] <shiftplusone> shell waits for each command to terminate in turn. The return status is the exit status of the last command executed.
[10:05] <Raynerd> Ahhh it keeps booting it up!!
[10:06] <shiftplusone> it's stupid in cron though, don't do it.
[10:07] <shiftplusone> if you run something with & and you want to bring it back to the foreground, you'd run "fg". You can also press ctrl+z in a running program which will pause it in the background, then you can run 'bg' to make it run in the background
[10:07] <Raynerd> Oops, didn't know that, rebooted :-)
[10:07] <[Saint]> fg and bg are two of my favorite commands
[10:08] <shiftplusone> the disadvantage is that the output of the program will still show up in your current shell, so that limits it's usability somewhat
[10:09] <Raynerd> Yes, that is what was happening
[10:09] <Raynerd> You know python, do I have to give that command a path if running from root sudo crontab
[10:09] <shiftplusone> it's handy if you're running dd for example, and want to do something else until it finishes
[10:09] <Raynerd> Just something I read
[10:10] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, you'd solve a lot of problems for yourself if you got to know linux a little better.
[10:11] <shiftplusone> What do you mean exactly there? as in /usr/bin/python airpy.py or python /path/to/airpy.py ?
[10:11] <Jusii> Raynerd: were you running this script one a minute?
[10:11] <Jusii> once
[10:11] <shiftplusone> different script Jusii he has moved on to bigger and better things.
[10:11] <Jusii> ok :)
[10:11] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: Mate, I appreciate all the help you give me but I'm trying. I come on here as last resort and ask questions. I've been sat up until 1am playing and editing this code giving it real functionality! I am learning but it takes time
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[10:12] <[Saint]> problem is. being given the answer solves little.
[10:12] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, yes sir (I know you're not an idiot, that's not what I am implying).
[10:13] <[Saint]> a correctly formatted search query goes a long way
[10:13] <Raynerd> @reboot cd /home/pi/AirPi && /usr/bin/python airpi.py
[10:13] <shiftplusone> Being given the answer AFTER you've tried to figure it out yourself is not really a problem in my book.
[10:13] <Raynerd> Saint - right
[10:13] <[Saint]> youll usually find what you want has been answered on stackexchange a bajillion times.
[10:14] <[Saint]> /usually/
[10:14] <Raynerd> If you let people struggle long enough they give up.
[10:14] <shiftplusone> either way, no the path to python is not required
[10:14] <[Saint]> Depends how bad they want it.
[10:14] <Raynerd> I guess irc is pointless then?
[10:14] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, are you familiar with the hashbang/shebang yet?
[10:14] <Raynerd> No
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[10:15] <[Saint]> I think what shiftplusone was trying to say earlier is, "maybe try to walk. before you run".
[10:15] <[Saint]> Its boring. But it really helps.
[10:16] <Raynerd> great advice, thanks
[10:16] <shiftplusone> If you put it at the start of the file, it tells the system what should be used to interpret it. So if you open your python script and add "#!/usr/bin/python" and make sure that your python script has the execute permission. You don't have to specify python every time
[10:16] <shiftplusone> you'll be able to just type ./airpy.py and it will just run
[10:16] <Raynerd> Ahh that is cool!!
[10:17] <shiftplusone> As a side note, gg on that coin pusher. Are you done with it or still planning to add stuff?
[10:17] <Raynerd> That in fact helps a lot. Giving it a bash now
[10:17] <[Saint]> a python, you mean.
[10:17] <[Saint]> ;)
[10:17] <shiftplusone> I was going to ask, pun intended? >_<
[10:17] <Raynerd> Haha, no, in my kids bedroom all done.
[10:18] <Raynerd> Sadly not :-(
[10:18] <shiftplusone> ah, cool
[10:18] <Raynerd> Building a clock at the moment ...
[10:18] <[Saint]> Ms [Saint] is addicted to Android/Facebook coin pushers
[10:18] <shiftplusone> with your own mechanism and everything?
[10:19] <Raynerd> Yes, I have built one already : http://www.raynerd.co.uk/?page_id=1540
[10:19] <shiftplusone> fancy
[10:20] <Raynerd> This is out of wood using the CNC machine I built last year: http://youtu.be/jj0ECyCpG8M
[10:20] <Raynerd> Ha, it needs polishing!
[10:20] <shiftplusone> A CNC machine has been on my todo list for ages
[10:21] <shiftplusone> but the parts are too damn expensive
[10:21] <[Saint]> I dont have the space for it.
[10:21] <[Saint]> :-/
[10:21] <[Saint]> *after* moving to a place twice the size of my last place.
[10:22] <Raynerd> shiftplusone: Just depends.. Yes, never cheap but my mate even made one out of mdf and cut some decent parts with it!! In fact I have a video of the mech we tested somewhere
[10:22] <Raynerd> I cobbled mine together out of a load of scrap plate ally I was lucky to hit on at the local scrap merchant
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[10:24] <Raynerd> Probably £100 materials, £100 on nuts and lead screws and £100 on electronics. I power it off two old atx power supplies I got for free
[10:24] <[Saint]> I envy you guys that make...stuff...out of other stuff.
[10:24] <[Saint]> Power tools aren't my friends.
[10:24] <Raynerd> computers aren't mine! Lol
[10:25] <Raynerd> [Saint]: I teach at school and a big reason for trying to learn is to help kids that are interested!
[10:25] <Raynerd> That said, I am getting pretty engrossed and excited by it.
[10:26] <[Saint]> what age group?
[10:27] <Raynerd> 11-18
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[10:28] <[Saint]> Ah. I used to run an after school programme and holiday programmes for the City Council here.
[10:28] <Raynerd> Hahah!!! Ok... It is working!!! Terminal doesn't actually come up and show does it using crontab??!! It is running in the background and I didn't know !
[10:28] <[Saint]> But much younger.
[10:28] <[Saint]> 5 to 8 and 8 to 11.
[10:29] <Raynerd> Good they are interested at that age
[10:29] <x29a> are they?
[10:29] <[Saint]> Yeah. Kids will stuff themselves with any knowledge you point at them at that age.
[10:29] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, yes, cron is used to automate things that run in the background. You can't (or rather shouldn't) use it for interactive stuff.
[10:30] <[Saint]> IFF you get their attention.
[10:30] <[Saint]> Which gets harder as they age.
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[11:14] <lianj> is there any way for rpi to support 2048x1536 res?
[11:14] <steve_rox> havein fun?
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[11:15] <lianj> in hdmi_mode 1-86 the closest thing is 2048x1152
[11:16] <lianj> 77 is 2560x1600 60Hz, so it should at least be able to output that many pixels, no?
[11:16] <steve_rox> im not aware of the specs of the main chips video output
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[11:17] <steve_rox> right now im attempting to brain storm stepper motor projects
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[11:19] <lianj> damn, seems like the BMC2835 really doesn't support display port out. too bad :.(
[11:19] <steve_rox> whys that
[11:20] <lianj> no ipad retina display on the rpi then
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[11:20] <steve_rox> nah i stick with a cheap cheerfull car reversing lcd
[11:20] <steve_rox> :-D
[11:21] <lianj> …
[11:21] <lianj> :D
[11:21] <lianj> (also, the retina display is also cheap)
[11:22] <steve_rox> wonder how much power it drinks
[11:22] <lianj> 1.5a at full brightness
[11:23] <steve_rox> at what voltage
[11:23] <lianj> 5
[11:24] <steve_rox> might be a way to hook it up but not sommat id do
[11:24] <lianj> but anyhow, would have been to perfect to be true to have the rpi connect easily to it
[11:24] <steve_rox> since i dislike apple too much ;-)
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[11:24] <lianj> the display isn't from apple
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[11:24] <steve_rox> weell samsung i assume
[11:26] <steve_rox> someone will find a way to put on one the rpi im sure
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[11:26] <steve_rox> will lead to more anger from me tho if it results in more letter box style video recordings on utube
[11:26] <lianj> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pkh76jlj8ix2vgk/2014-01-31%2020.14.07.jpg
[11:27] <steve_rox> fun
[11:27] <a7x> what is that? €€?
[11:27] <lianj> ebay for ipad 4 lcd
[11:27] <steve_rox> most likely very expensive
[11:28] <lianj> 50 bucks
[11:28] <steve_rox> my small lcd only cost a few badgers and one rodent
[11:28] <lianj> only the broadapter is missing ofc
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[11:29] <steve_rox> so you got any interesting plans/projects for a rpi?
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[11:30] <lianj> no, as it looks this project falls flat due to no displayport output support
[11:30] <lianj> but thats ok…
[11:31] <steve_rox> mostly go insane trying to think of a cool project
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[12:19] <xorox90__> Is it possible to use raspberry pi as logic probe?
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[12:25] <[Saint]> That would beba bit of overkill, no?
[12:25] <[Saint]> Basic logic probes are pretty cheap these days.
[12:25] <shiftplusone> Depending on the required frequency, I don't see why not.
[12:25] <[Saint]> And well buikt.
[12:25] <[Saint]> *built
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[12:38] <ShorTie> other than a learning experience, i gotta agree with [Saint] on the logic probe thing
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[12:41] <ShorTie> 16 dollars for a profession probe, not really worth it, imho
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[13:17] <SpeedEvil> The pi is not a very good logic probe - it's too slow for many tasks, with fragile inputs.
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[14:18] <dagle> So, my card + pi sometimes boot and sometimes it doesn't and when it doesn't I need to reflash etc. When I mount the sdcard in my pc everything seem fine. Some linux versions works better than others but none is really stable. I have tried multiple cards and some are more likely to not boot than others and I'm getting pretty pissed at this.
[14:19] <dagle> And the wiki game me almost nothing.
[14:20] <shiftplusone> sounds like it could be an issue with bad contact with the slot (some cards are slightly thinner than others, and in some cases that may lead to that sort of thing)
[14:20] <shiftplusone> when it doesn't boot, what happens to the ACT LED when you plug in the power?
[14:21] <dagle> Only the red light turn on.
[14:21] <dagle> No, flash, no nothing.
[14:22] <dagle> How would somebody resolve the issue with it being to thin? I have tried gently pushing the card upwards to no effect.
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[14:25] <dagle> I think you might be correct. I tried to push it further up and now it seem to work.
[14:25] <dagle> shiftplusone: Thank you.
[14:26] <shiftplusone> dagle, do you have print labels?
[14:27] <shiftplusone> or tape
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[14:27] <shiftplusone> you can stick on a layer or two to make the card thicker.
[14:29] <dagle> I will try that .
[14:30] <shiftplusone> If that doesn't work, something like this is much more stable. http://www.adafruit.com/products/966
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[14:44] <Datalink> dagle, also, there are 2 metal pieces, these form the SD sense system for the Pi, make sure they're touching each other when the SD card is inserted
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[14:45] <shiftplusone> Datalink, does it make any difference?
[14:45] <Datalink> shiftplusone, if they're not connecting, the Pi doesn't know it has an SD card
[14:45] <shiftplusone> does the pi care to check?
[14:45] <Datalink> I've forgotten to seat mine a couple times, I get the same boot error he's describing
[14:46] <Datalink> mechanical insert and write check mechanisms are fully compliant in the PI (aka, it checks)
[14:46] <shiftplusone> Hmm, will need to do some testing next time.
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[14:47] <Datalink> I have, pulling just enough to disconnect the contacts causes the Pi to crash, and fail to boot
[14:47] <Datalink> it's a wonder my image has been alive for 2 years
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[14:49] <shiftplusone> I don't doubt you, it's just one of those things I'd like to verify before fully accepting.
[14:49] <Datalink> okay, wiggle a Pi's SD card... you'll see it :P
[14:52] <Datalink> hm, I kinda wanna try using the Pi as FM transmitter thing...
[14:52] <shiftplusone> I have reason to suspect it's all a filthy lie and that's thanks to my incompetence. On my pi one of the pins is not even connected due to a soldering accident. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/sdslot.jpg
[14:53] <shiftplusone> As you see, the pad is lifted
[14:53] <shiftplusone> unless it's the wrong pin... lemme check the pinout
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[14:54] <shiftplusone> yes sir, that's the card detect pin and it's floating. My pi should be randomly resetting
[14:54] <Datalink> in Electrical Engineering, we call the blob between the two pins that are top of that shot a 'bridge' your sense pin is shorted to it's ground
[14:54] <shiftplusone> datagutt, the blob is on the ground side
[14:54] <shiftplusone> those two pins are grounded anyway
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[14:54] <shiftplusone> Datalink, *
[14:54] <Datalink> compare it with the picture from Adafruit
[14:55] <Datalink> one's grounded, the other should be a sense pin pulled high
[14:55] <Datalink> in your case, they're connected, your pi has no way to know it's missing an SD card
[14:56] <shiftplusone> If you're talking about what I am thinking of, look at the construction of the pin itself
[14:56] <shiftplusone> it's physically shorted anyway
[14:56] <Datalink> in your case... yes
[14:56] <shiftplusone> even without the solder blob
[14:56] <shiftplusone> The switch is on the other side
[14:56] <Datalink> yeah, but that's not the normal SD card slot that comes on a Pi...
[14:56] <Datalink> I donno what that one is, but it's non-standard
[14:57] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspberry-Pi-R2.0-Schematics-Issue2.2_027.pdf
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[14:57] <shiftplusone> Looks right to me
[14:57] <Datalink> again, compare yours with the Adafruit pictures
[14:57] <shiftplusone> they're physically shorted in the circuit and on the connector
[14:58] <shiftplusone> adafruit has... a lot of pictures. Which are you talking about?
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[14:59] <Datalink> odd, I see it going from com1 to CD which goes to SD_CARD_DET on GPIO47, and not shorted, page 2, grid B9 and E8
[14:59] <shiftplusone> http://www.adafruit.com/images/large/998bottom_LRG.jpg ?
[14:59] <Datalink> and on the page for the half-length MicroSD adaptor you linked
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[14:59] <Datalink> yes,, that too
[15:00] <Datalink> if you look, yours has a much thicker pin side piece... and lacks the sense wire going from near S8 to center of the connector
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[15:01] <Datalink> not to mention the connector you have looks like a push-pull while the typical are SMD friction held units
[15:02] <Datalink> hell, the mechanical pads are about 0.1" further forward than the Valcon connector the foundation chose
[15:02] <Datalink> thus why they hang off the board
[15:02] <Datalink> during reflow they wheren't in the right position to hold the part, thus why it slid out a bit
[15:03] <Datalink> I could go on and on but, I wanna know where you got that Pi, shiftplusone, cause I wanna avoid a place that'd do that poor a substitution of components :P
[15:03] <Datalink> may I show that pic to friends of mine over in #sparkfun?
[15:04] <shiftplusone> Go for it
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[15:04] <shiftplusone> Lol, that's just a pi I had with a broken slot. I ordered one that was listed as compatible on some random blog, but it turned out the pinout is upside down
[15:04] <shiftplusone> I had to bend the pins back and solder it upside down
[15:06] <shiftplusone> I made the wrong choice to use a bad sidecutters to remove the old connector and that ended up lifting the pad. So then I went with a heat gun instead for the rest of it, which required hell of a lot of heat to melt the solder and keep it molten to remove slot.
[15:06] <shiftplusone> then I decided to add regular solder to help a little, but then ran out of solder wick removing it
[15:06] <Datalink> ah, explains it...
[15:06] <shiftplusone> so the whole thing is a botched job, but it works, so I am happy enough.
[15:07] <shiftplusone> Are the #sparkfun folks cringing in horror? >.>
[15:07] <Datalink> if my tally light systems start selling, I'll probably start stocking bulk RasPi parts
[15:07] <Datalink> nah, crickets, it's a slow time in the channel
[15:07] <Datalink> I'll probably see a reaction in an hour or two
[15:08] <shiftplusone> Better than this though, ey. http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/so-many-wires.jpg?w=620&h=217
[15:08] <Datalink> ........... wat
[15:08] <Datalink> just.... wat
[15:08] <shiftplusone> http://hackaday.com/2013/12/20/impersonating-fbi-agents-and-people-who-can-solder/
[15:08] <shiftplusone> my favourite solder job photo
[15:09] <shiftplusone> The original article they link to has more
[15:10] <Datalink> oh poor Dale, I remember reading this
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[15:12] <shiftplusone> But yeah, having taken a proper look at the photos and pinout, my mistake.
[15:12] <Datalink> my training's in electrical and mechanical engineering, I'm known to have an eye for detail
[15:13] <dagle> Datalink: They touch.
[15:13] <shiftplusone> So is mine, minus the mechanical bit >_<
[15:13] <dagle> Atleast when I remove the case they seem to touch.
[15:14] <dagle> Hard to tell with the case on, since it hides most of it.
[15:14] <Datalink> yeah, does the case bolt to the Pi in any way, or just snap together around it?
[15:14] <dagle> snap
[15:15] <Datalink> okay, is the behavior consistantly happening when the case is on, or has it been intermittent?
[15:15] <dagle> I haven't tried witout the case... but it's kinda random with the case on
[15:16] <Datalink> dang, that makes it harder to diagnoste :/
[15:16] <shiftplusone> with the case off, next time it happens, see if pinching the card to the board makes a difference.
[15:18] <dagle> Ok.
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[15:19] <dagle> I belive more in the "to thin" thing though, since the filesystem have set itself in ro and not readable from time to time... about 1 hour after booting.
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[15:19] <Datalink> there's a read/write mechanical sensor, lemme see if that's wired up, sec
[15:20] <Datalink> okay, write-protect is not connected
[15:20] <Datalink> schematic, page 2, E, on the edge of 8 and 9, COM2 and WP are unconnected
[15:22] <[Saint]> 'aint nobody got time fo that.
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[15:24] <Datalink> why have I been forgetting logins today, first Tumblr, now Newark
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[15:48] <Raynerd> When using a shebang line, should you strip the file of any extension or not?
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> you need to give it the full pathname
[15:49] <Raynerd> File is airpi.py. And currently run it Sudo python airpi.py. I've now added #!/usr/bin/env python. And presumed I could then just type in the file and it would run
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> note that filename extensions don't actually have any meaning in linux - it's just a human convention.
[15:51] <Raynerd> So actually .py at the end does absolutely nothing at all?
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> if it's a script for an interpreter, then the interpreter is passed the filename as the first parameter
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> yup. nothing at all. some interpreters may insist on it though, but it's really for your own convenience.
[15:51] <Raynerd> Wow! Thank you
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> e.g. my BASIC interpreter saves files with .fuze or .rtb on the end, but it'll run files without that.
[15:52] <ShorTie> Raynerd, i know this is like off the subject, but when you run your airpi.py from the command line does it display any usefull info ??
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> and I typically put .sh on shell scripts, but again, that's for my convenience not the systems.
[15:52] <Raynerd> Yes it shows what it is going to post and posts all the outputs. It is handy to see
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[15:53] <ShorTie> i understand your trying to make it start automagically
[15:53] <Raynerd> ShorTie: That is correct
[15:53] <ShorTie> but i'm wonder if it would not be better to start it within a screen sesion
[15:53] <Raynerd> But I think I see where you are going - crontab doesn't give an output
[15:54] <ShorTie> so you could login, re-attach to the screen sesion to see what is going on
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[15:54] <Raynerd> Could you give me more details on that or what to read??
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[15:54] <gordonDrogon> crontab tries to email output...
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> you can put re-direction on the command in a crontab though - /path/to/command >> /tmp/output
[15:54] <ShorTie> apt-get install screen, man screen
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[15:57] <Raynerd> Hummm.. I am sorry. I don't really understand. The truth is, I have it working perfectly! 1. Boot up pi. 2. Cd AirPi. 3. Sudo python airpi.py. Done!!!
[15:57] <Raynerd> When I try and automate this, things start to go wrong.
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> what is airpi?
[15:58] <ShorTie> it's a weather station
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> ok
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> why not just put in in /etc/rc.local ?
[15:58] <Raynerd> It is a little weather station monitoring device. I am quite proud of myself for integrating a twitter link and photo capture! :-)
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> just add in /path/to/airpi.py
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> it wil lbe run as root..
[15:58] <Raynerd> Really!!
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> yes, really. no need to bother with a crontab.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> you do need the full path to it though.
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[15:59] <gordonDrogon> and it's run after the rest of the system is initialised, etc. (although it still might be waiting on a DHCP IP address)
[16:00] <Raynerd> One second, let me try this.
[16:00] <ShorTie> i'm sorry i've never had screen load at boot and start a program in a session
[16:00] <ShorTie> i've only used it from the command line
[16:01] <ShorTie> preaty simple program though
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[16:01] <Raynerd> gordonDrogon: So in that file i have, _IP=$(hostname .... And the final line exit 0
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> yes, put it above the exit 0 line (obviously)
[16:02] <Raynerd> The only thing is, airpi.py uses a number of files in the AirPi folder, does it include these
[16:02] <Raynerd> gordonDrogon: Do i need to tell it to run as python script??
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> so - you can put: cd /path/to/program ; ./program.py
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> rc.local is run as root already.
[16:03] <Raynerd> Does it not to open as python file or do i need shebash ...
[16:03] <Raynerd> If that is the right word
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> you either do: /usr/bin/python filename.py OR ./program.py when program.py has #!/usr/bin/python and the filemode is +x
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> if you can ./airpi.py then it's fine.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> and that's then the easiest way to run it.
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[16:04] <Raynerd> I can't run like that at preent
[16:05] <Raynerd> Present. I added the line but dont think it cmoded correctly :-\. Ill try again
[16:05] <ShorTie> do a ls -l airpi.py and check permissions
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> so you need to do 2 things: One add in #!/usr/bin/python to the file and 2: chmod +x airpi.py
[16:05] <ShorTie> you might just need to do a 'chmod 0755 airpi.py'
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> then ./aitpi.py
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, learn the mnemonics :) octal numbers are so 80's.
[16:06] * gordonDrogon ponders ... 70's.
[16:06] <ShorTie> :/~, ok
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:07] <ShorTie> just the way i learned and it has stuck
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[16:09] <Raynerd> Ok, fantastic. Sudo ./airpi.py now runs
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, I know - I learned using numbers 30+ years ago and I still revert ...
[16:10] <Raynerd> So now in rc.local ive added cd /home/pi/AirPi; ./airpi.py
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> working on controlling that Maplin robot from my BASIC. Why should the Pitonistas have all the fun ;-)
[16:11] <Raynerd> gordonDrogon: Maplin - you uk?
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, ok - but be aware that that will appear to "lock up" the Pi.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, nowhere else to get it )-:
[16:12] <Raynerd> gordonDrogon: Lock up in what way?
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, stick and & at the end of the command to make the system boot normally & let you login.
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[16:12] <gordonDrogon> it will run your prog. then wait for it to finish - & makes it run in the background.
[16:13] <Raynerd> Just space & Or -&
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[16:13] <Raynerd> ./airpi.py &
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> it really doesn't matter. spaces are for humans convenience.
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> most of the time.
[16:14] <Raynerd> Right, so time to reboot and see what happens
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> good luck :)
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> but if you know where else to get one of those robot arms... let me know...
[16:14] <Raynerd> Is there any way of breaking from it and killing it
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to login, run 'ps ax' to find it's process id and then sudo kill NNN
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[16:15] <Raynerd> Ok well it has booted up and the airpi is uploading data
[16:16] <Raynerd> It has logged me in, infact it looks like normal
[16:16] <Raynerd> I know the airpi is running thought
[16:16] <Raynerd> Though
[16:16] <ShorTie> not sure if it works but sumfin like this for screen from what i looked at real quick /bin/su pi -c "/usr/bin/screen -dmS test bash -c '/home/pi/airpi.py exec python'"
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> good.
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> ps ax | fgrep airpi <- to get the process ID.
[16:17] <ShorTie> but you really maybe just need the "/usr/bin/screen -dmS test bash -c '/home/pi/airpi.py exec python'" in your rc.local
[16:17] <Raynerd> Ok... It is all running, including the picture mode. Just need to see if it updates.
[16:17] <Raynerd> Still, I cant see the terminal output... Which would be nice
[16:17] <Raynerd> I don't need to see it, but would be good to be able to
[16:18] <ShorTie> you need to start it in screen then
[16:18] <Raynerd> ?
[16:19] <ShorTie> with screen, you can login and logout your ssh connect and it will still be running
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> or re-direct all output into a file and use tail -f on that file.
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> using screen is a technically superior method, but sometimes it's just overkill and complicates everything.
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> the output will be going to the console - so if you have a screen connected you'll see it.
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[16:21] <gordonDrogon> to redirect the output just make the command in rc.local be like: ./airpi.py >> /tmp/airpi.log &
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[16:21] <gordonDrogon> then you can tail -f /tmp/airpi.log
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[16:21] <Raynerd> I have a screen connected gordonDrogon but cant see anything.. It is 100% working
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> if it produces MB of output it'll eventually fill up /tmp though.
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> Hm. maybe python detects it's running without a terminal and suppresses output?
[16:22] <Raynerd> Fair enough. I guess it is overkill
[16:22] <Raynerd> Tbh, I don't need to see it
[16:22] <ShorTie> sure you do
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> make your program open a file and log into it - if this is a system utility then that's arguably the correct thing to do, but adds more complications. You could also use the syslog facilities.
[16:23] <ShorTie> it's called a learning experience
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[16:24] <ShorTie> but that will fill up your sdcard over time, won't it ??
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> depends how much it logs - do an du -sm /var/log sometime.
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> there is a school of thought that says programs ought to be silent when working well, but very noisy when something goes wrong...
[16:26] <ShorTie> sounds like a good rule of thought to me .. :)~
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[16:27] <Raynerd> Sorry, got disconnected
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[16:27] <ShorTie> airpi is constantly updating info and pushing it out to a web page i believe
[16:27] <Raynerd> It is headless and in position! I'll send you a link shortly so you can see what it is doing!
[16:27] <MProg> hi _o/
[16:27] <Raynerd> Yes it is.
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[16:28] <ShorTie> so logging console could make a big file
[16:28] <Raynerd> Every 30 seconds data to xively and every 5 mins updating post and picture to twitter
[16:30] <ShorTie> you might be able to like truncate the file to a certian size, so like only the last 24 hours is in the current file
[16:30] <ShorTie> but that seems even more complicated
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> syslog makes it relatively easy if you can work with it - there is a daily log rotation, old logs are compressed and eventually deleted automatically.
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> (systeg + logrotate)
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> *syslog
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[16:35] <ShorTie> no fair, you know all tricks, lol.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> that's the trouble with being old...
[16:36] <Raynerd> https://xively.com/feeds/1890074463
[16:36] <Raynerd> This is the data to xively
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> ok.... looks good, but ... units?
[16:37] <Raynerd> https://twitter.com/raynerdpi/status/430001387687391232 twitter link
[16:37] <ShorTie> ya but, i believe you are younger then me .. :(~
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> Light level - 428 Ω :-)
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, oh? well maybe been poking at unix boxes for logner then :)
[16:38] <Raynerd> Yes, there is no calibration on some of the sensors and no easy way to calibrate them. Certainly for gas concentrations. Hence simply using comparing resistance values to look at changes
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> ok
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> where is that pointing to?
[16:38] <Raynerd> The picture
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> and what's the red blob on the chimney...
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[16:39] <Raynerd> It is pointing to a hill from my window. The red dot in the camera led. I need to add the code to turn it off
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[16:39] <Raynerd> When it is in school it'll point over the hills
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> just wondering what the monument is.
[16:40] <Raynerd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Monument
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> a-ha!
[16:41] <Raynerd> Right yo, heading out for a bit. Thanks for help!
[16:41] <MProg> you can add disable_camera_led=1 to config.txt
[16:41] <Raynerd> Config.txt. Where is that located
[16:41] <MProg> /boot/config.txt
[16:42] <MProg> (lower case 'c' in config.txt)
[16:42] <Raynerd> Ok. Will take a look shortly. Must nip out to grandparents. Thanks again one and all
[16:42] <MProg> ok
[16:43] <ShorTie> if our root you can just echo it there, echo "disable_camera_led=1" >> /boot/config.txt
[16:44] <ShorTie> your*
[16:45] <MProg> yep
[16:45] <MProg> making sure to use >> and not > :p
[16:45] <ShorTie> ya really
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[16:49] <MProg> is that temperature reading correct ?
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> Yea, if it was 22C in england right now, I'd want to be there ;-)
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> it's 10C outdoors where I am (in england) right now.
[16:51] <MProg> ok :p
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[16:53] <MProg> it's not much warmer than that (10C) here in the south of France
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[19:35] <pa> hello
[19:35] <pa> question from an electronic ignorant
[19:35] <pa> is it possible to make the pi spawn a program upon gpio two pin shortage?
[19:36] <pa> a little bit like a reset switch
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[19:43] <pa> how do i do that? any page explaining it?
[19:44] <pa> i mean, technically, could i just set it up and test it out on the fly, like with a screwdriver or something?
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> more or less.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> you'll need some additional software to make life easy though.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> and the ability to write a shell script.
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> and I'd really really not recommend using a screwdriver - it's far to easy to short something else out - the P1 GPIO connector has 5v next to the 3.3v...
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> if you get & install wiringPi: http://wiringpi.com/download/ then you can use its gpio command in a script - just get the gpio command to wait for a pin going low (for example) then the script halts, and caries on when the pin goes low.
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[19:53] <dagle> shiftplusone, Datalink When I try to use it now without the case (and a newly flashed working img) I get card start.elf not found. The start.elf is there and it have worked before and I'm gently pushing the card downwards.
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[19:53] <dagle> fsck return nothing on the partion.
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[19:58] <pa> ah i understand, thanks!
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[20:29] <gordonDrogon> pa if you use the I2C pins then they have pull-ups to 3.3v already on the Pi's motherboard. All you need to to is short them to 0v. The gpio command to wait on them would them be: gpio wfi 8 falling (use 8 or 9 as that's their wiringPi pin numbers) if you have that in a script, then the script will stall until the pin is shorted to the 0v line.
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[20:35] <rikkib> I also use a current limit resistor of 560 ohms in series with the switch.
[20:36] <pa> gordonDrogon, shorting them to 0 means shorting them with gnd?
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[20:36] <rikkib> Yes
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[20:49] <gordonDrogon> pa, yes.
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[20:57] <rikkib> My AM2302 (DHT22) arrived is the mail this morning
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[21:17] <raynerd> shiftplusone: you about?
[21:18] <raynerd> what does it suggest if my Pi has a network connection but is not getting the correct clock time! Proxy settings are in I can access websites - not correct time though!
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[21:20] <rikkib> You will have to allow ntp traffic through your firewall
[21:20] <pyb0k3h> im an electronics noob, i see that pin 1 outputs 3.3V, but at what current is that at?
[21:21] <rikkib> Or run a ntp server on your gateway and connect to that instead of the outside world
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[21:21] <rikkib> How do all the windlows maachines get the time?
[21:22] <raynerd> rikkib - thank you. It is driving me insane. I have a great script running perfectly here from home but when I take it into the kids to use at school - nothing on the school network!
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[21:22] <raynerd> rikkib - no, you have answered my question that the firewall is the issue
[21:23] <rikkib> ntp servers are pretty simple to set up and pretty secure
[21:23] <raynerd> it has to be blocking some functions of my script as well.
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[21:24] <raynerd> rikkib - don`t worry. I`m trying to trouble shoot my inability to connect to a certain site via a python script. I was just checking the clock wasnt providing any clues but it isn`t - it is simply blocking connection to the NTP server
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[21:24] <pyb0k3h> hey guys, how much amps is being used to output 3.3 volts in pin #1?
[21:24] <raynerd> 0.004
[21:25] <pyb0k3h> is there a wiki or site that has the specs on the GPIOs?
[21:25] <rikkib> 8Ma is thge standard drive current the rpi is set to
[21:25] <rikkib> you can change the drive level up to 16Ma
[21:26] <raynerd> rikkib - do you write python?
[21:26] <rikkib> can not draw any more than 50Ma from the 3.3v rail
[21:26] <pyb0k3h> so by default, it is .008 amps?
[21:27] <rikkib> No I write in C, php, bash, html
[21:27] <raynerd> ok
[21:27] <rikkib> everything but python
[21:27] <pyb0k3h> so which is it? 0.008 amps or 0.004 amps?
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[21:28] <rikkib> python is an interpreted language and I avoid those
[21:28] <raynerd> sorry 0.008
[21:29] <rikkib> 8 from memory aand I was only reading the wiki a few days ago
[21:29] <pyb0k3h> which wiki has the spec info?
[21:29] <rikkib> elinux wiki has the info that all need to be familiar with
[21:29] <pyb0k3h> ok thanks
[21:30] <rikkib> The rpi only has a very small 3.3v regulator
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[21:30] <raynerd> rikkib - I would still appreciate your thoughts. I am running a script called airpi and it outputs data read by the GPIO to a website called xively. The script runs until it pauses and fails on the "upload" - i.e I can`t upload the data from work!!!
[21:30] <raynerd> this is the xively output file.. https://github.com/tomhartley/AirPi/blob/master/outputs/xively.py
[21:30] <rikkib> and not designed to drive loads directly
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[21:31] <rikkib> You need a buffer the simplest being a npn transistor and a resistor or two
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[21:31] <dagle> Would it be a bad idea to put in a piece of paper betwen the cardholder and the card (on the top) so it pushes the card downwards?
[21:31] <raynerd> using pure obvious logic, the website shown there https://api.xively.com/v2/feeds/ is the one that needs to be open in the firewall right?
[21:32] <rikkib> Hmmm Opinion. Anything is possible if you know how... You may have to use some proxy dodging techniques
[21:33] <raynerd> I dont know what you mean?
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[21:34] <rikkib> Generally firewalls are set up to stop inbound traffic... You have a bit more of a problem as school firewalls are set up to block both directions
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[21:34] <shiftplusone> raynerd, am now
[21:34] <helljawz> http://pastebin.com/zRnRcNbc
[21:34] <raynerd> believe it or not, I have full support off IT and despite an hour troubleshooting, they can`t use the Pi so have no idea what they are doing
[21:34] <rikkib> and a trasnparrent proxy
[21:34] <helljawz> an alarm script i wrote
[21:35] <rikkib> with no doubt filtering (Net nanay)
[21:35] <raynerd> hi mate. I`m in work tomorrow! Just wanted to ask your advice regarding the IP of the site that needs opening.
[21:35] <raynerd> shiftplusone - spent more hours on the project now and it even takes a picture and uploads to twitter!
[21:35] <raynerd> I just know when I take it in tomorrow, it won`t work again.
[21:36] <raynerd> IT have no clue how to help other than they can open up an IP if I tell them what I need
[21:36] <rikkib> It is called state-full firewalling
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[21:37] <shiftplusone> pyb0k3h, "hey guys, how much amps is being used to output 3.3 volts in pin #1?" that doesn't make sense. The current depends on the load.
[21:38] <raynerd> based on that xively file in the output folder, it seems to try and upload the data to https://api.xively.com/v2/feeds/ but when I try and ping that I get no return, doesn`t even resolve the IP here from home
[21:38] <shiftplusone> PING api.xively.com (216.52.233.120) 56(84) bytes of data.
[21:38] <shiftplusone> resolves just fine here
[21:39] <rikkib> raynerd, Probably one answer to your challenge is to use a machine outside the school and Json/jquery
[21:40] <raynerd> rikkib - I am on such a machine now!
[21:40] <rikkib> Send data to the outside machine and then on to its final destination
[21:40] <raynerd> shiftplusone - it does when you use that address
[21:40] <shiftplusone> when doesn't it?
[21:40] <raynerd> ooopss! thank you. So a good start would be to ask them to open the firewall to that ip
[21:40] <raynerd> ping https://api.xively.com/v2/feeds/
[21:41] <shiftplusone> that's expected, since that's incorrect usage of ping
[21:41] <raynerd> I guessed
[21:42] <rikkib> Personally I would not allow a pin hole in the firewall at a school
[21:42] <shiftplusone> for example, ping google.com/index.html won't work either
[21:42] <raynerd> rikkib - in that case how would you support a teacher trying to upload data for a project weather station?
[21:42] <rikkib> Why... Because I know how toe get around the firewall
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[21:42] <raynerd> shiftplusone: makes sense when you write it like that :-S
[21:43] <shiftplusone> (but ping google.com would, if the firewall allows you to ping stuff at all)
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[21:43] <rikkib> Do you have a rpi running all the time at your home
[21:43] <rikkib> I would use that
[21:43] <raynerd> shiftplusone - NO we confirmed that friday. No one can ping outside the LAN
[21:44] <shiftplusone> that's fairly typical for such a network, yeah
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[21:44] <shiftplusone> doesn't mean you can't access the IP in question.
[21:45] <rikkib> I run an ip masquerading firewall here... The machine has two network cards in it which makes a virtual air gap between my dmz and the outside world
[21:45] <rikkib> Your school has something similar
[21:45] <raynerd> rikkib - sorry but that is just too hard work ... to be honest, if they will open that IP for me I`ll let them do that. If they won`t then I`ll have to question how they can support me.
[21:45] <shiftplusone> if you can open https://api.xively.com/v2/feeds/ in the browser from school, then you should be able to access it with airpy too
[21:45] <raynerd> shiftplusone - we can :-( and this is what confuses IT
[21:46] <shiftplusone> raynerd, why do you think they would've blocked the IP in the first place? They wouldn't.
[21:46] <rikkib> Remember you are the school to breach standard policy to protect the kids
[21:46] <shiftplusone> I think you need to go in there open up python and examine some get and put requests
[21:46] <rikkib> you aare asking to make the sentence make sense
[21:47] <raynerd> I don`t understand this to be honest. So you are saying that if you were IT this request is just not possible ?
[21:47] <raynerd> just seems insane.
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[21:48] <rikkib> No that is not what I am saying
[21:48] <rikkib> I am just giving a sys admins perspective for you
[21:48] * shiftplusone thinks the IT department there is a little incompetent. >.>
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[21:48] <shiftplusone> to help you out with this anyway
[21:49] <raynerd> shiftplusone - no comment.
[21:49] <rikkib> As a short term solution... Allow a firewall pin hole or add to allowed sites in your schools net nanny
[21:49] <raynerd> one of them said, "find the ip and we`ll open it" !!
[21:49] <shiftplusone> you'll need to figure out what's going on yourself and then tell them.
[21:50] <raynerd> shiftplusone - which is why I`m pestering you guys. You have got it in one...I`m going to have to tell them what to do. The blind leading the blind
[21:50] <rikkib> But the are proxy busting techniques that you can investigate once you learn more
[21:50] <raynerd> THE big big issue now like you said, is the fact that we can access https://api.xively.com/v2/feeds/ from a browser in school so it can`t be blocked!
[21:52] <rikkib> Are using curl... If not check it out.
[21:52] <raynerd> The code runs fine but halts for ages at the "upload" stage and then after way way longer than usual, fails.
[21:52] <raynerd> rikkib - never heard of it
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[21:52] <shiftplusone> raynerd, I don't mean to annoy you, but have you played around with python requests from home yet?
[21:53] <raynerd> no - I`m not sure what you mean.
[21:53] <raynerd> Ohhh, like you linked me to the other night
[21:53] <shiftplusone> yeah
[21:53] <raynerd> #include
[21:53] <raynerd> it what way do I need to consider them?
[21:54] <shiftplusone> well, no... #include is c, python uses import, but that wasn't the main point there.
[21:54] <shiftplusone> Do you know the basics of how http works?
[21:54] <raynerd> I`ll give you a guess ;-)
[21:54] <raynerd> it begins with N
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[21:56] <raynerd> I did read through but I`m not clear how it was helping me or in what way I could use it
[21:56] <shiftplusone> In a nutshell, when you open a URL in the browser, it sends a GET request to the server containing the page you want and the host. The server replies with a response header, containing information about the information that comes afterwards, which is the page itself.
[21:57] <shiftplusone> There are also POST and PUT requests which work in a similar way.
[21:57] <shiftplusone> Your application sends out a PUT request in order to send the data.
[21:57] <shiftplusone> and it does this using the python requests library
[21:57] <raynerd> ok. that makes some sense
[21:58] <shiftplusone> If you can open up python import the requests library and then try a simple get request, it will be an important data point in figuring out what's wrong.
[21:58] <shiftplusone> GET must work, since that's what your browser does.
[21:59] <shiftplusone> Then you can try PUT
[21:59] <raynerd> I see, so just any GET request. Then I presume move onto a simple code with a PUT request
[21:59] <raynerd> So you are eluding to the fact that the code could be going wrong at the PUT request
[21:59] <shiftplusone> yeah and you can also try different hosts, like google
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[22:00] <shiftplusone> In any case, you will be able to examine the returned request headers and whether you get any at all.
[22:01] <shiftplusone> Well, it's strange. The way the code is written is that it should give you a meaningful error if the put request fails.
[22:01] <shiftplusone> You are saying that all you get is "upload failed"
[22:01] <shiftplusone> which is not a string I saw that could come from the code.
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[22:02] <shiftplusone> I'll take a look again
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[22:02] <shiftplusone> does it say "Failed to upload" ?
[22:03] <instigator> Hi all. Is there a SFTP client for raspberry pi which uses passphrase protected public keys?
[22:03] <instigator> I found FileZilla, but it only allows public keys without protection
[22:03] <shiftplusone> instigator, must it have a fancy gui?
[22:03] <raynerd> yes - eventually says Failed to Upload. However, it normally takes 3-4 secconds to post Upload Successful - it takes 3-4 minutes to actually Fail during which there is no ouput
[22:04] <shiftplusone> ok, I'll take a closer look at the code, since that string is there
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[22:05] <instigator> Doesnt have to be fancy. Ive used sftp via command line on pi, but a gui would be nice
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[22:05] <shiftplusone> you can use rsync or scp, for example.
[22:06] <raynerd> would there be a way to "see" or record more of an output while the code is just hanging - I presume it must be doing something. The one thing IT did say is that during the halting, while observing the firewall and ip of my Pi, there was no feed from it, no ouput or input to the raspi!
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[22:07] <shiftplusone> tcpdump would be very useful
[22:07] <raynerd> just to test, we opened up a browser and immediately we could see it
[22:08] <ShorTie> so that means it is not the school or IT, it is your rPi
[22:08] <ShorTie> sounds funny, but the IT dept. may not even know Linux
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[22:09] <raynerd> ShorTie - they know nothing about Linux, any of them and they openly admit it
[22:10] <raynerd> ShorTi - it can not be my pi as the minute I bring it home IT runs just fine!!!
[22:10] <raynerd> It is sat here now working away!
[22:10] <shiftplusone> raynerd, ultimately, if you can get requests working in python, you'll have to use pdb to figure out exactly where it's failing. I don't generally write python and have no interest in it, so I can't figure it out from the code alone.
[22:10] <ShorTie> it's something simple and stupid the rPi is or is not doing
[22:11] <raynerd> OK - well I massively value you patience and help. Thank you
[22:11] * ShorTie thinkz Python has nothing to do with it
[22:11] <raynerd> ShorTie - it has to be due to the school network though.
[22:11] <shiftplusone> But you have a line sending the put request, then is no response, it outputs "Xively Error: " and then the error and then it would say failed to upload. In your case, it doesn't putput that 'xively error' part.
[22:11] <raynerd> is there a command that shows proxys installed. ifconfig doesn`t show proxy
[22:12] <shiftplusone> which could mean there's an exception raised elsewhere in the xively output function
[22:12] <raynerd> No, it 100% says failed to upload - eventually
[22:12] <shiftplusone> raynerd, linux doesn't have a proper proxy mechanism. It's 'USUALLY' done with the http_proxy variable
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[22:12] <shiftplusone> so maybe it's timing out.
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[22:13] <ShorTie> didn't you say you could not even ping the firewall ??
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[22:13] <raynerd> OK, so if i can use apt-get then the proxy must be set ok? Without pinging, I don`t know if I can connect via terminal to anything
[22:13] <shiftplusone> in any case, you'll have to try it
[22:13] <raynerd> ShorTie - yes, but we agreed this was fine. Not even on windows admin account could you ping
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[22:13] <shiftplusone> raynerd, from what I remember, apt uses a different mechanism.
[22:13] <shiftplusone> one that ONLY applies to apt
[22:14] <Nefarious_> shiftplusone: there is no bot because it's in dev, and i have a hell of a lot of revision (i hope that answers your question)
[22:14] <raynerd> Exactly, it would be good to just check I can connect to the internet in terminal!!
[22:14] <Nefarious_> gordonDrogon: sorry, i overreacted.
[22:14] <raynerd> Hey Nafarious_ ! The code is working great mate!
[22:14] <Nefarious_> raynerd: glad to see you're trying to learn :)
[22:14] <ShorTie> how about the gateway
[22:14] <raynerd> Yes mate.... you should see the code now!
[22:15] <Nefarious_> someone tell IT_Sean he's now got 1 less person to argue with
[22:15] <ShorTie> or any other pc on the network ??
[22:15] <raynerd> It tweets and takes a picture and have a fresh config page to choose to use camera mode !
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[22:15] <shiftplusone> raynerd, you can try a browser like elinks.
[22:15] <Nefarious_> yep, so i've seen
[22:15] <shiftplusone> raynerd, or download something using wget or curl
[22:15] <raynerd> kid crying... brb
[22:16] <Nefarious_> but im not coming back to this channel as i've promised gordon. So byebye
[22:17] <Nefarious_> shiftplusone: may i try something?
[22:17] <Nefarious_> (vaguely bot related)
[22:17] <shiftplusone> Nefarious_, if it's nothing evil, sure.
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[22:18] <Nefarious_> bye
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[23:30] <rikkib> OK DHT22 wired up to a little bit of vero board with a 1K resistor and 100nf bypass cap with three wires to three connectors ready to plug into a rpi
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