#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-02-11

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[0:00] <linuxstb> I just blame him for the GPU firmware horrors ;)
[0:00] <rikkib> haha
[0:00] <derRichard> linuxstb: i'm sure he did not write that drivers as they are blobs from broadcom
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[0:01] <linuxstb> derRichard: Doesn't he work for broadcom?
[0:01] <derRichard> i have no idea
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[0:01] <derRichard> all i know is that the kernel code makes me bry
[0:01] <derRichard> *cry
[0:02] <linuxstb> derRichard: He at least releases those blobs from broadcom.
[0:02] <qjsgkem> a funny horror flick, btw
[0:02] <qjsgkem> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094761/
[0:03] <rikkib> I wonder if any of those close to the "Foundation" come in here?
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[0:03] <rikkib> I have not known any of them to make it known if they do.
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[0:08] <derRichard> linuxstb: ah ok. i find it kind of sad there seems to be zero interest in bringing die rpi kernel code upstream
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[0:09] <derRichard> there is very little upstream support but https://github.com/raspberrypi/ does not backport anything
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[0:15] <rikkib> ASB Hmmm
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[0:16] <rikkib> I have been running Linux since before distro's became common place and watched it grow. There were many lessons learned by all along the way...
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[0:18] <rikkib> Offering advice to certain know it all people is just a waste of time. Still. No skin off my nose...
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[0:40] <bel3atar> can somebody recommend a good serial display?
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[0:45] <rikkib> adafruit has a display
[0:46] <rikkib> spi I think
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[0:57] <rikkib> Temperature 29.8 C Pressure 1008.17 hPa RH: 65.0%
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[0:58] <bel3atar> nah
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[0:58] <rikkib> yeh
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[1:07] <HoloPed> hi all. How would I go about controlling a 110v AC socket from a Pi ?
[1:08] <rikkib> A transistor buffer and relay
[1:09] <rikkib> wiringPi and write a small C program or bash script or python program
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[1:09] <rikkib> 5v relay with 220/110 contacts
[1:09] <ShorTie> wiringPi and python don't mix
[1:10] <HoloPed> thanks rikkib, can you point me to a link or some info about transistor buffers? I'm electronics noob
[1:10] <rikkib> shortie may be correct...
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[1:10] <rikkib> on the python point. I use C
[1:11] <rikkib> Hmmm
[1:11] <rikkib> Hang on
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[1:12] <pksato> HoloPed: A easy way to control AC is using a SSR like SSR-40DA (buy on ebay).
[1:13] <rikkib> Lunch time sorry
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[1:14] <ShorTie> HoloPed, this looks like it might work for you http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pc-x-2-relay-module-relay-expansion-board-3-3V-and-5V-compatible-/251391153294?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8814948e
[1:14] <ShorTie> says 3.3v compatible
[1:14] <HoloPed> thanks ShorTie
[1:14] <HoloPed> if its 3.3v do I still need a transistor buffer/amp
[1:14] <HoloPed> ?
[1:15] <ShorTie> i wouldn't think so
[1:16] <pksato> these modules have transistor buffers.
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[1:17] <pksato> have a optoisolator.
[1:17] <ShorTie> it needs 5v, looks like it uses a opto-coupler
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[1:18] <Radiate> sup
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[1:19] <Radiate> https://www.burnerphone.us/ ... The best thing since raspberrypi
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[1:28] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[1:28] <mattwj2002> I need help! :(
[1:29] <mattwj2002> from what I hear usb 3.0 hubs are no compatible with rpi?
[1:29] <mattwj2002> is there anyway around this?
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[1:32] <rikkib> HoloPed, https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5-HND9HJkXWSTQtYlFTZ3VyODA/edit?pli=1
[1:32] <rikkib> You need google docs access
[1:32] <rikkib> to get to this link
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[1:33] <HoloPed> thanks rikkib
[1:33] <rikkib> I do not use the 10k resistor to ground
[1:34] <rikkib> It only adds a bit quicker turn off
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[1:52] <rikkib> Temperature 30.7 C Pressure 1007.89 hPa Relative Humidity 67.8%
[1:53] <rikkib> DHT22 & BMP085 sensors run up in a example C app
[1:53] <ShiftPlusOne> raynerd, np
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[2:33] <knob> Hello guys... some months ago, I saw a link online for a "linux date string calculator" ... You setup what you wanted as an output, and it would give you the flags already set.
[2:33] <knob> Anybody have an idea?
[2:33] <knob> What that website could have been?
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[4:25] <volante> hi. how do I copy files onto my raspberry pi SD card so that they can be accessed by linux once it's booted?
[4:26] <volante> OR is there an easier way to get files onto my pi? (it has no networking)
[4:28] <shiftplusone> volante, from where?
[4:28] <volante> from my laptop
[4:28] <shiftplusone> which runs...?
[4:28] <volante> osx
[4:29] <shiftplusone> in that case, it's probably easiest to copy them onto a usb stick and transfer that way.
[4:29] <shiftplusone> You don't have an ethernet cable handy to hook it up to your laptop?
[4:30] <volante> nah, and ive got model A
[4:30] <shiftplusone> ah, right
[4:30] <volante> and i don't have a USB hub so i can only have a keyboard in
[4:30] <shiftplusone> how large are the files?
[4:30] <volante> like 500K
[4:31] <shiftplusone> then you can copy them onto the fat32 partition of the card
[4:31] <shiftplusone> alternatively, you can try to find driver for osx that supports ext4. From what I've seen, they all cost money.
[4:31] <volante> ahh
[4:31] <shiftplusone> or... make a linux liveusb to boot your laptop from to have full access to the sd card
[4:32] <volante> i've got a linux VM on here
[4:32] <shiftplusone> is your sd card reader a usb device?
[4:32] <volante> its built in (macbook air)
[4:33] <volante> ok so if i copy files to the filesystem that my macbook air sees (fat32?) then i can mount that from within linux and copy them onto its main partition?
[4:33] <shiftplusone> does the VM have some wizardry that allows it to access it?
[4:33] <shiftplusone> yeah
[4:33] <volante> i think there might be a way in virtualbox to pass through the device to the vm
[4:34] <shiftplusone> probably more trouble than it's worth
[4:34] <shiftplusone> usb devices are easy, but physical disks can get annoying
[4:34] <volante> since the files are small, i guess ill just go with the fat32 option
[4:34] <shiftplusone> I would
[4:36] <volante> oh, it's already mounted there as /boot. easy! i've got the file on there now. thanks for the help.
[4:36] <shiftplusone> np
[4:39] <volante> oh damn.. i can't build this package on there because it needs openssl libraries.. i can see this is going to be an annoying process
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[4:39] <shiftplusone> could set things up in a qemu chroot
[4:39] <shiftplusone> then transfer the image back to the card
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[4:41] <volante> where do i get debian packages for it?
[4:41] <volante> i need openssl-dev
[4:42] <shiftplusone> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/
[4:42] <shiftplusone> have fun
[4:42] <rikkib> haha
[4:44] <volante> how do i find out if im running jessie/stable/testing/wheezy?
[4:44] <shiftplusone> wheezy
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[4:45] <funkster> anyone running their pi off a usb drive here?
[4:46] <funkster> having SD corruption problems with unclear shutdowns, possible filesystem on usbdrive will fix this (i cannto fix the uncontroller shutdowns)
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[4:46] <shiftplusone> funkster, what's the question though?
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[5:09] <volante> so will the pi reset its system clock every time i take the power out?
[5:09] <shiftplusone> kind of
[5:10] <shiftplusone> if that's a problem, you can add an rtc to gpio
[5:10] <SirLagz> volante: depends on if you have the fake-hwclock package installed
[5:10] <SirLagz> volante: and whether you have ntp installed / enabled
[5:11] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, not network connection
[5:11] <shiftplusone> *no
[5:11] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: oh right.
[5:11] <SirLagz> well then the fake-hwclock package then.
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[5:13] <volante> cool, fake-hwclock will have to do
[5:13] <plugwash> fake-hwclock will keep the systems idea of time moving in a generally forward direction but you are still going to lose time relative to reality if you ever reboot the thing and/or have any power cuts
[5:15] <rikkib> Hmmm Model A
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[5:42] <volante> am I supposed to have the "systemctl" command? i read a guide that said to run "systemctl enable rngd" but i dont have that
[5:42] <volante> i think it's trying to set rngd to start on boot
[5:43] <shiftplusone> not if you are running raspbian
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[5:44] <shiftplusone> systemctl is a part of systemd, which Raspbian does not use by default.
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[5:49] <volante> ok it seems to start on boot anyway
[5:49] <volante> do all the scripts in /etc/init.d/ get executed on boot?
[5:50] <shiftplusone> debian tends to enable things by default more often
[5:50] <shiftplusone> no, not necessarily.
[5:50] <shiftplusone> you can use update-rc.d to enable or disable them
[5:50] <volante> im just trying to work out how it got enabled
[5:50] <shiftplusone> or, if you prefer something a little more visual, install rcconf
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[5:50] <shiftplusone> volante, if you installed it, chances are that enabling it is a part of the install.
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[5:52] <volante> ahh, i think i get it now, it gets linked from /etc/rc2.d/ which makes it start when i boot into runlevel 2
[5:52] <shiftplusone> yeah, but it's best not to manage scripts manually like that
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[6:08] <shiftplusone> Hmm, native openttd compile on the pi 77 minutes. Cross compile - 10 minutes. Seeing how long a qemu chroot takes. (For folks interested in cross-compiling)
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[6:10] <trohrt> Hiya!
[6:11] <plugwash> hmm, on our wandboard quads the debian openttd package takes ~30 minuites, having said that I belive the debian package build does significantly more than a "regular" build from upstream stuff
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[6:15] <shiftplusone> Assuming it's not too much more, a 1GHz pi isn't all that far behind then =)
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[6:40] <MrGarlic> what's the appeal of programming a raspberry pi? when you can just program a computer and it's more powerful... unless you're too poor to afford a computer
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[6:50] <SirLagz> MrGarlic: you've pretty much hit on the main point of the Pi.
[6:50] <MrGarlic> SirLagz: Is it?
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[6:51] <MrGarlic> SirLagz: I'm told they're trying to mimic the days of Commodore 64's and BBC Micros (wrt to computer science education).. but I don't understand how
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[6:51] <SirLagz> MrGarlic: have you looked at the about page of the Raspberry Pi website ?
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[7:28] <rikkib> I know the temperature, barometric pressure, humidity and which way is north...
[7:32] <kevireilly> now you just need location, elevation, and smell factor
[7:33] <rikkib> I have gsp as well... Just waiting for a DC-DC converter to supply enough 3.3v juice
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[7:35] <rikkib> Next two sensors (Rain and G force) will take more work as they need a to d convertors (MC9S08QG8)
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[7:46] <dallol> I just got a new pi and i'm trying to get the my wifi dongle (Prolink WN2001) working with it, but wpa_gui doesn't provide any options for adapters. anyone know whats going on with it?
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[7:49] <kevireilly> rikkib: very nice!
[7:50] <kevireilly> dallol: iwconfig has nada?
[7:50] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sys.jpg
[7:50] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-cam-mod.jpg
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[7:52] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-rain-g-baro-compas.jpg
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[7:52] <dallol> i get: lo no wireless extensions.
[7:52] <dallol> eth0 no wireless extensions.
[7:53] <dallol> i just noticed when it rebooted that it's saying can't find device "wlan0", but when i run lsusb i can see the device
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[7:54] <rikkib> You probably need to set up /etc/modules with the wifi module but I have no wifi so really have no idea
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[7:55] <dallol> okay, i'll look into that
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[8:20] <kevireilly> rikkib: quite the array!
[8:20] <kevireilly> rikkib: how do you like the pitft?
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[8:21] <kevireilly> oh. im confused
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[8:45] <rikkib> The tft is a STM32V Arm board
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[9:15] <MrVector> This might be a stupid question (if you believe those exists), but anyway! Is there more to the framebuffer API than you can see in the mailbox documentation on github?
[9:17] <MrVector> I don't really understand graphics all that well, but it seems a bit... primitive? to only have a memory mapped framebuffer, basically I'm curious how opengl etc does all its magic
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[9:48] <linuxstb> MrVector: opengl (and the other APIs) are implemented on the GPU - there are small wrapper libs that run on the CPU that call GPU functions.
[9:48] <MrVector> Alright, that kind of makes sense
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[9:49] <MrVector> I'm doing some bare metal you see, was just curious how I'd get any sort of 3d in there, guess I'd have to find a way to run the opengl library
[9:50] <linuxstb> IIUC, the libs that run on the CPU are open source, so you should be able to use that code.
[9:50] <linuxstb> Although I've never looked on them, and they may need linux kernel features (threads, mutexes etc)
[9:50] <MrVector> I think so yes, found some stuff laying around the github repo
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[9:51] <MrVector> I think you are correct, bit of a pain for me to provide the expected interfaces
[9:51] <MrVector> But oh well! Interesting challenge I suppose
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[10:02] <elmargol> Hi i have a small hardware project for a friend. I need two status leds, 1 button and a way to switch between 3 settings.
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[10:04] <SpeedEvil> 4017
[10:04] <elmargol> can I use a DIP switch for this?
[10:04] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[10:04] <SpeedEvil> They're just ordinary (but fiddly) switches
[10:06] <elmargol> Do i need Pull-up resistor
[10:06] <elmargol> / Pull-down ristors for each option on the switch?
[10:06] <elmargol> or Pull up
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> They are simply switches.
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> They turn on, they turn off.
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> They do not define a voltage level.
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[10:07] <elmargol> ok so I connect each selection to a GPIO and can read the values individual
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> If you want to have an input set at a voltage level by a open/closed switch - you need either another switch to pull it to a difffernet voltage level when it opens - or you need a resistor to do the same
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[10:11] <elmargol> is there a decent software to "emulate" this circuit in a visual way?
[10:12] <elmargol> since shipping is expensive i fear I miss some parts
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[10:15] <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
[10:16] <elmargol> italy
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> You mean you want to make a PCB image with the components you're going to put on it?
[10:17] <elmargol> Isn't there a way to but components on and simulate the state of the raspberrypi if I press a button
[10:18] <elmargol> like i press a button and the led turns on
[10:19] <SpeedEvil> In short - no.
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[10:20] <elmargol> fritzing looks nice
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[10:46] <AbbyTheRat> A quick question about the buttons, not really sure the best channel to ask but since it's something for raspberry pi.. a lot of the buttons for the GPIO is often tiny and stuff, are there larger buttons or covers to incease surface area out there?
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[10:51] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Sure, there are quite large buttons available. Like http://www.adafruit.com/products/1185
[10:52] <AbbyTheRat> Yeah, I was talking to a friend about it.. and wiring and it hit on me that I never googled "large buttons for raspberry pi"
[10:52] <AbbyTheRat> buttons on it own gave me lots of tiny ones then soon asI did large, oh hey... perfect! Thanks Xark
[10:53] <AbbyTheRat> I honestly hate googling, never get the right words to find the right things
[10:53] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: No prob. There are a few other sizes/colors/shapes if that isn't quite what you need.
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[11:00] <Stanto> Has anyone made a robot out of the raspberry pi ? I've seen stuff on wheels but not really anything that walks or such.. I saw http://www.element14.com/community/roadTests/1264?CMP=SOM-ROADT-RAPIRO but I wondered if anyone's 3d printed a chassis or if it's even worth using a pi ? most use an arduino or such
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[11:02] <AbbyTheRat> I do remember reading an article of a robot with a raspberry pi as the brain with a few arduino attachment but I seem to be failing to find it again
[11:03] <AbbyTheRat> I have bad google-fu
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[11:11] <AbbyTheRat> Stanto based on the information I find from google, (mostly here - http://www.designspark.com/blog/arduino-or-raspberry-pi )
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[11:13] <AbbyTheRat> it depends on what kind of robot you want to make. The smarter you want the bot to be, the more likely you want the raspberry pi to be your brain for the bot.. and you're most likely have arduino handle the lower level stuff, like motors, directions, while the pi handle image processing and such calulations
[11:13] <AbbyTheRat> hope's the kind of answer you're looking for, Stanto
[11:13] <Stanto> Thanks that article's useful,
[11:13] <AbbyTheRat> saw something like this - http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-ArduinoRaspberry-Pi-Robot-Platform/?ALLSTEPS
[11:14] <AbbyTheRat> so yeah, I bet there's a few more out there..
[11:14] <AbbyTheRat> my google-fu lucked out XD
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[11:27] <Stanto> AbbyTheRat, hmm .. not really a walking one though ..
[11:27] <AbbyTheRat> walking.. hard
[11:28] <AbbyTheRat> by that point, they are using full on computers
[11:28] <AbbyTheRat> none of that arduino/raspberry pi
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[11:29] <AbbyTheRat> although they might use a cluster of pi for the funies
[11:29] <AbbyTheRat> I did.. find this...
[11:29] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgWbgvLjzlY
[11:29] <AbbyTheRat> just now
[11:29] <AbbyTheRat> cause I fail at google-fu? :D
[11:30] <AbbyTheRat> And I have to stop spamming a channel, I'm sorry. It's a bad habit of mine x_x
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[11:31] <AbbyTheRat> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=47315&p=431255
[11:31] <AbbyTheRat> Stanto - should of highlighted your name, Look see! Walking bot!
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[11:33] <Stanto> AbbyTheRat, haha that's awesome
[11:35] <AbbyTheRat> :D - indeedy it is. Ok, bedtime. I MUST PULL MYSELF AWAY FOR REALZ
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[12:04] <shiftplusone> Cross compiling: 10 minutes. Compiling on a 1GHz pi: 77 minutes. Compiling in a qemu chroot: 75 minutes. Didn't think the last two would be so close.
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[12:05] <Tachyon`> lol
[12:05] <Tachyon`> sword fights
[12:06] <shiftplusone> >.>
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[12:06] <Tachyon`> http://xkcd.com/303/ <- look at it as an opportunity, not a problem
[12:06] <shiftplusone> Don't worry, I got the reference.
[12:06] <Tachyon`> well, unless you're not being paid and it's your time, then I suppose it's still a problem
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[12:06] <Tachyon`> ahh
[12:07] <Tachyon`> xkcd has done pretty damn well, lol, wonder what weirdness will appear on april 1 this year
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[15:18] <sandman> Is X [2,3]D accelerated by default yet?
[15:19] <shiftplusone> not enough
[15:20] <sandman> It's at least better than it used to be, though?
[15:20] <shiftplusone> yes
[15:20] <sandman> Seriously my computer just died, and all I have left is my RPi. I may have to make it work as a desktop for a bit here
[15:21] <shiftplusone> best to avoid X where possible, imho
[15:21] <sandman> =( Unfortunate.
[15:21] <shiftplusone> (and there are productive people out there who prefer to do everything from console)
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[15:25] <oskude> sandman: heres the long info http://elinux.org/RPi_Xorg_rpi_Driver
[15:27] <oskude> but xmbc does run smooth. and i assume it draws on the GPU
[15:27] <oskude> *xbmc
[15:28] <oskude> and i dont use my DAW on the console ;P
[15:28] <shiftplusone> that info does not relate to the current acceleration efforts
[15:28] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-fbturbo
[15:28] <oskude> shiftplusone: nice!
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[15:29] <shiftplusone> unfortunately simon (the guy who wrote the wiki article you linked) disappeared and as he has written, his approach wasn't really practical
[15:29] <oskude> i didnt even read it, way too long :P
[15:30] <shiftplusone> instead, they are squeezing all they can out of the ARM, by making use of DMA and then accelerating little things like the mouse cursor using the GPU (or at least trying to, that's not implemented yet)
[15:31] <oskude> shiftplusone: but if an application uses opengl, it is hardware accelerated?
[15:31] <shiftplusone> but yeah, they're saying there's lots of room for improvement left. So hopefully, it will be a lot more usable.
[15:31] <shiftplusone> I am not sure how the current opengl (es) implementation interacts with X (I don't think it does).
[15:32] <shiftplusone> when you launch a properly ported opengl es program, it is accelerated
[15:32] <sandman> Wasn't a fully accelerated Android port being made, also?
[15:32] <oskude> hmm, i wonder if xbmc is one of them. at least seems very smooth
[15:32] <sandman> I wonder if that's in NOOBS
[15:32] <shiftplusone> sandman, abandoned
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[15:34] <shiftplusone> oskude, I don't know what xbmc uses for the GUI, I am guessing it's openvg, dispmanx maybe with some opengles, but for video it uses openmax. All of that is accelerated. I highly doubt they would try to do the GUI without HW acceleration, it would be very slow.
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[15:35] <oskude> shiftplusone: huh, does rpi have openvg hw acceleration? (i was always interested on it, but no desktop gpu has that)
[15:36] <shiftplusone> yeah http://elinux.org/Raspberry_Pi_VideoCore_APIs
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[15:36] <oskude> very interesting! thanks
[15:36] <shiftplusone> np
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[15:39] <sandman> Grr. brb
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[16:42] <rahul_> Hii all..
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[16:48] <zero_coder> hey
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[16:51] <zero_coder> hey
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[17:02] <rahul_> Hows going on?
[17:02] <rahul_> I am trying to make my Rpi as a wifi access point.
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[17:09] <IT_Sean> That's gonna be a real bottleneck
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[17:10] <Asmooh> hi :)
[17:10] <Asmooh> im thinking of getting a raspberry, but is there one with 2 ethernet ports build on?
[17:10] <IT_Sean> There is not
[17:11] <Asmooh> :(
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[17:11] <IT_Sean> There are two models of Raspi. Model A: No onboard network & 1 USB port. Model B: Onboard Etherent & 2 USB ports.
[17:12] <Asmooh> hm, so for model B i need to have something like usb to ethernet or so
[17:12] <Asmooh> and can you just take the power of without messing up the os?
[17:12] <IT_Sean> No, you need to do a clean power off first, or you may corrupt the SD card.
[17:13] <Asmooh> oh :/
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[17:18] <Asmooh> will power over ethernet work with model b? :)
[17:18] <IT_Sean> Not without an adapter
[17:18] <IT_Sean> The raspi itself does not support PoE
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[17:23] <Asmooh> okay, now i just need to find out of i can use raspberry for my project or not
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[18:10] <chaitime> hi friends
[18:12] <zero_coder> hi chaitime
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[18:20] <chaitime> zero_coder: hello
[18:20] <chaitime> zero_coder: ever added a shield to the raspi
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[18:21] <zero_coder> chaitime: shield?
[18:22] <shiftplusone> arduino-talk for something that connects over gpio.
[18:22] <shiftplusone> on the pi, they call them plates... go figure.
[18:22] <MrVector> Always makes me think of weapons
[18:22] <IT_Sean> plates... makes me think of lunch.
[18:22] <chaitime> if I wanted GPS data
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[18:23] <MrVector> "Yeah sure, my Pi is equipped with a nice sword and shield"
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[18:30] <shiftplusone> Sorry, best I could do in the given time with what's at hand. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/IMG_20140212_042437.jpg
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[18:31] <chaitime> is GPIO basically like a PCI slot on a motherboard?
[18:31] <chaitime> allowing to add external hardware
[18:31] <shiftplusone> in non-technical terms, yes.
[18:31] <ppq> not really like PCI
[18:31] <shiftplusone> in technical terms, nothing like PCI.
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[18:31] <IT_Sean> It's actually entirely unlike a PCI slot
[18:31] <IT_Sean> But, it DOES allow you to add hardware.
[18:32] <chaitime> but I can add only certain types of hardware? for example, I need GPS to get long/lat. I was thinking something off the shelf via usb would be ideal, but do I have to use something via gpio eg, this http://www.adafruit.com/products/746
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[18:32] <chaitime> im worried that I would have to write low-level code just to get long/lat
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[18:33] <ppq> gpio is all about low-level things :)
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[18:34] <chaitime> im scared
[18:34] <shiftplusone> well, there are python libraries which enable copy-paste programmers.
[18:34] <ppq> why not use a USB GPS mouse
[18:34] <shiftplusone> chaitime, http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-ultimate-gps-on-the-raspberry-pi
[18:34] <chaitime> ?
[18:35] <shiftplusone> GPS mouse? How big is the mousepad? O_o
[18:35] <chaitime> shiftplusone: thanks for the link
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[18:35] <chaitime> shiftplusone: do younderstand what I mean by off the shelf vs gpio
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[18:36] <shiftplusone> chaitime, not really, sorry.
[18:36] <chaitime> shiftplusone: you can add external hardware to raspi via usb right?
[18:36] <shiftplusone> yes
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[18:37] <chaitime> so what th epoint of the GPIO? the same thing but for hardware w/o USB connection?
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[18:37] <shiftplusone> you can connect hell of a lot more things using GPIO and it doesn't rely on USB.
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[18:39] <chaitime> when I gthink of GPIO I think of Arduino and having sensors being able to connect to arduino board, is it the same thing?
[18:39] <shiftplusone> yes, with a few minor differences
[18:40] <chaitime> thanks shiftplusone
[18:41] <shiftplusone> You have general purpose pins, you can spit out 0s and 1s or read 0s and 1s. You have interfaces like SPI and I2C which are used by many devices. You have a PWM pin for motors. You have all sorts of things you can do and have full control over
[18:41] <shiftplusone> while USB is generally used for consumer devices rather than tinkering.
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[18:44] <chaitime> ok say I wanted to make a moving map, and all I need is gps coordinate/long/lat. Do you think it would be easier to get a GPS USB device that gives you easy access to it, if possible, or go with gpio GPS module which makes it seem like its harder to interact with?
[18:45] <IT_Sean> Easier is probably a USB solution
[18:45] <shiftplusone> I think the level of difficulty is about the same, if you use that adafruit board.
[18:45] <shiftplusone> Adafruit idiot-proof everything, so it shouldn't be a problem.
[18:46] <chaitime> thanks guys
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[18:46] <chaitime> do you recommend a certain place for US buyers?
[18:46] <chaitime> for the raspi model B
[18:46] <chaitime> to order the raspi model b*
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[19:12] <parx> How can I get GPIO.RISING to stop detecting GPIO.FALLING? GPIO.RISING behaves like GPIO.BOTH. I'm using a PIR sensor with my Pi and Cobbler. I'm pretty new to this.
[19:13] <basti> on http://elinux.org/RPi_Powered_USB_Hubs there is a note saying: "Does backfeed the mini USB port" what does that mean?
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[19:15] <shiftplusone> basti, means someone is struggling with English. I think they are saying that the hub backfeeds the pi. That is, it can power the pi without the pi having anything plugged into the microusb slot.
[19:16] <shiftplusone> (I didn't mean you're struggling with English, but the person who added the note)
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[19:20] <basti> i see. thanks
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[19:29] <chaitime> hi basti
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[20:00] <rikkib> Temperature 19.4 C Pressure 1007 hPa Relative Humidity 81.0%
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[20:04] <bc0001> I just got a rii tek (RT-MWK01) wireless keyboard and if the unit is on and I plug the usb dongle in, the pi restarts. If I leave the dongle in and it restarts, it recognizes it but fails to work *until* I plug in another usb keyboard and work on the command line, then the riitek starts working. Strange enough behaviour, the other odd thing, usb keyboard and mouse stop working after like 15 minutes and I have to unplug and plug them back in. Is that
[20:04] <bc0001> common?
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, it's ..... er, this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/fire.jpg where I am and outside isn't really an issue...
[20:06] <shiftplusone> terrible for your health, gordonDrogon
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[20:09] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, I fired up rht03 routine and it returned a reading around 38 % which seemed to be wrong... So adjusted the divisor fro 100 to 50 to get the right reading
[20:10] <rikkib> Maybe something to do the am2302 I am using
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> possibly - there are severla variants which use the same sort of maxdetect code.
[20:11] <rikkib> Possibly...
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, 95% of everything is going up the chimney... Some open fires can even have a negative heat effect on the room due to the draft they create!
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[20:13] <rikkib> Having trouble getting the over sampling going for the BMP085.... Complex algorithm.
[20:13] <FreddoT> hai, anyone here done anything with RFID on a Pi?
[20:13] <shiftplusone> Heh, I don't care, I love fireplaces regardless of negative health effects. It just reminded me of an article that would inappropriate to post in this channel maybe.
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, Hm. I write code for one of those a long time ago..
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[20:14] <gordonDrogon> not on the Pi though.
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[20:14] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, yea - the place I'm currently in has 2 open fireplaces.
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> we have enclosed log burners at home.
[20:14] <rikkib> I have added bmp085 routine to wirinPi
[20:14] <shiftplusone> nice
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> 99999 times more efficient - if I put that wood in our burners, the place would melt...
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> still. Maplin Arm is now working from BASIC - time to write a test program for it.
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[20:15] <shiftplusone> hmm "nearly 70 percent of chimney smoke reenters nearby buildings"
[20:17] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, http://www.zlham.geek.nz/rpi/wiringPi-pb/ If you want to have a look but I need to work more on it.
[20:17] <iiie> Hello! Anyone have a good idea how to catch only rising edge events for the RPi GPIO? Are there any known issues with the python RPi.GPIO package?
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, maybe later, thanks. currently relaxing :)
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[20:34] <rikkib> Hmmm the computer recyclers have been broken into twice recently... They want more RPi cameras. I will have to set up some thing to catch them...
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[20:35] <rikkib> Maybe some thin wire for them to break around the border
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[20:45] <mapee> which jdk is the recommended if i wanna use javax.smartcardio and an acs acr122u nfc reader?
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[20:51] <rikkib> I think the Oracle JDK has the lions share now days... I used to use the Blackdown version many years ago... Not sure if it is still going.
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[22:23] <SKyd3R> hi all
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[22:24] <SKyd3R> I find out the RPi SD Card has 2 partitions, why is that?
[22:24] <SKyd3R> I got the SD Card with Raspbian
[22:24] <elios> probably 1st partition is boot
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[22:25] <rikkib> boot has dos style files the other ext4 unix style files
[22:25] <elios> fat 32
[22:25] <SKyd3R> /dev/sdb1 2048 2466796 1232374+ e W95 FAT16 (LBA)
[22:25] <SKyd3R> /dev/sdb2 2473984 15353855 6439936 85 Linux extended
[22:26] <SKyd3R> so you are right
[22:26] <elios> sdb1 is boot just mont it and look whats there
[22:26] <SKyd3R> $ ls
[22:26] <SKyd3R> bootcode.bin recovery.cmdline recovery.img slides
[22:26] <SKyd3R> BUILD-DATA recovery.elf recovery.rfs
[22:26] <SKyd3R> images RECOVERY_FILES_DO_NOT_EDIT riscos-boot.bin
[22:26] <SKyd3R> and a recovery img
[22:26] <elios> yup
[22:27] <SKyd3R> the problem is that I can't mount the sdb2 partition
[22:28] <SKyd3R> I execute: $ sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb2 sdcard/
[22:28] <rikkib> Linux systems can
[22:28] <elios> does the rpi fire up ?
[22:28] <SKyd3R> yes
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[22:28] <rikkib> the kernel monts the root partition
[22:29] <rikkib> on boot
[22:29] <elios> can you ssh in ?
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[22:29] <rikkib> Not sure with riscos
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[22:29] <rikkib> try it
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[22:30] <SKyd3R> not right now, I didn't bring it here
[22:30] <rikkib> ssh -l pi host
[22:30] <rikkib> maybe
[22:30] <SKyd3R> I only get the SD
[22:30] <elios> pi@"ip"
[22:30] <SKyd3R> It's ok if I format the 2� partition?
[22:31] <elios> why ?
[22:31] <rikkib> only if you want to destroy the contects of the partition
[22:31] <SKyd3R> yes I do
[22:31] <elios> SKyd3R: but you delete your system
[22:31] <rikkib> Normal way is to just overwrite with an iso image
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[22:33] <SKyd3R> oh
[22:33] <SKyd3R> now I finally get it
[22:33] <rikkib> But of course you can manually make the structure needed
[22:33] <rikkib> and copy files
[22:33] <SKyd3R> the second partition is no important
[22:33] <rikkib> You need a linux box to do this sort of thing
[22:33] <SKyd3R> is the first one the one who does the staff
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[22:34] <rikkib> the second partition is very important
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[22:34] <rikkib> no files on it and the kernel panics
[22:35] <elios> the boot partition is like your bios, if im right.
[22:36] <rikkib> No... The boot partition contains the kernel and other stuff needed to boot the kernel
[22:36] <elios> more like the files on the boot partition
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[22:37] <rikkib> the second partition contains the files needed to run the kernel and all the functionality it has
[22:37] <elios> well ok, but as the name says you need it to boot that rpi
[22:38] <elios> i dont know what SKyd3R is up to but if he wants to set it up again ...w/e
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[22:38] <SKyd3R> ok
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[22:38] <elios> ?
[22:38] <SKyd3R> I'm trying to learn about bare metal
[22:39] <elios> SKyd3R: did you get the SD preinstalled ?
[22:39] <SKyd3R> so I think the second partition is not important to me right now
[22:39] <SKyd3R> yes
[22:39] <rikkib> You have big learning curve ahead
[22:39] <SKyd3R> I bought the original raspian image
[22:40] <elios> SKyd3R: whatever system you want to install on your rpi check first on the interwebs, you will need a sd card reader too btw.
[22:40] <SKyd3R> it helps me to look at a functional system
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[22:46] <SKyd3R> I'm confused because in a tutorial it's said that I should find a kernel.img on the sd card
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[22:57] <tdy> in your table, sdb2 is an extended partition
[22:58] <tdy> you're looking for the logical partition(s) sdb5+
[23:00] <tdy> in other words, you won't be able to mount sdb2
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[23:04] <SKyd3R> ok, thanks a lot to everyone
[23:04] <rikkib> Temperature 23.0 C Pressure 1007 hPa Relative Humidity 100.8% Raining so the humidity jumped up
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[23:05] <tdy> disclaimer: that doesn't mean you should delete sdb2
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[23:05] <tdy> since you kept saying it wasn't important
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[23:06] <harris> is chris leenz here
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[23:08] <harris> is chris leenz here
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[23:46] <raynerd> Good evening.
[23:47] <harris> is chris leenz here
[23:48] <raynerd> shiftplusone - the airpi was catching some meaningful data from school grounds today! :-) Happy days
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[23:51] <dagerik> will this destroy a part? http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10000227/1249401-hdmi-male-to-vga-female-adapter-cable-white
[23:51] <dagerik> it
[23:51] <dagerik> it's a cheap vga-hdmi adapter
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[23:53] <raynerd> destroy?
[23:53] <dagerik> raynerd: im not into electronics. but i have heard stories of raspberry pi parts getting "fried"
[23:53] <dagerik> such as the hdmi port
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[23:54] <pksato> dagerik: prefer external powered hdmi to vga adapter. But, this liked work.
[23:55] <raynerd> I have heard the powered ones are better
[23:55] <raynerd> pksato beat me
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[23:56] <raynerd> anyone seen shiftplusone tonight?
[23:57] <Triffid_Hunter> dagerik: if it's a passthrough adapter it simply won't work- the rpi does not have analog outputs in the hdmi port. you need a powered adapter, something that accepts digital hdmi signal and generates analog vga
[23:58] <raynerd> Triffid_Hunter - did/do you hang out on the RepRap channel
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[23:59] <Triffid_Hunter> yes

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