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IRC Log for 2014-02-19

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[0:53] <ShorTie> blaaa...
[0:53] <ShorTie> win32diskimager does the whole card, not the used portion .. :(~
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[1:13] <Otyugh> [45608.298463] Out of memory: Kill process 6500 (omxplayer.bin) score 52 or sacrifice child
[1:13] <Otyugh> [45608.318475] Killed process 6500 (omxplayer.bin) total-vm:144376kB, anon-rss:24092kB, file-rss:324kB
[1:13] <Otyugh> I'm using omxplayer and xchat
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[1:14] <Otyugh> so out of memory : video memory or "central memory" that wasn't used at all ?
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[1:14] <Otyugh> isn't that a omxplayer bug ?
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[1:20] <sney> oom-killer generally only sees system memory
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[1:27] <shiftplusone> Otyugh, the pi synchronises fine here, you'd need to figure out why it fails for you.
[1:27] <shiftplusone> whoops
[1:27] <shiftplusone> was scrolled up to ages ago
[1:27] <shiftplusone> nvrm
[1:27] * ShorTie hands shiftplusone a cup of coffee
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[1:28] * shiftplusone pours out the coffee and replaces with tea.
[1:28] <ShorTie> even better, lol.
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[1:34] <pyb0k3h> hey guys, i bought a 16x2 HD44780-compliant LCD display, but it came soldered to a board. So my question is, do I need to remove the board or I can still use the current setup? http://imgur.com/nPbNikj
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[1:35] <shiftplusone> it's even better this way
[1:35] <pyb0k3h> over on the right, there are 4 male pins for GND, VCC, SDA, and SCL
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[1:35] <pyb0k3h> but what are pins SDA and SCL??
[1:35] <shiftplusone> i2c
[1:36] <pyb0k3h> so can i use the code at adafruit to display a message with this current setup?
[1:36] <shiftplusone> the board makes it so that you don't have to use as many pins, it's a parralel to serial piggiback thing
[1:36] <shiftplusone> probably
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[1:36] <shiftplusone> just make sure that the pins aren't pulled up to 5V on the board.
[1:37] <pyb0k3h> not sure if i follow you
[1:37] <shiftplusone> where did you get the board?
[1:37] <pyb0k3h> online
[1:38] <pyb0k3h> no paperwork or spec sheet
[1:38] <ShorTie> dah
[1:38] <shiftplusone> k
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[1:38] <ShorTie> i think he was lookin for a link maybe
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[1:39] <shiftplusone> see how you go with adafruit code and hope it doesn't fry your pi then.
[1:39] <pyb0k3h> i think this was it: http://www.amazon.com/microtivity-IM161-Module-White-Backlight/dp/B0059H60SK/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1392769371&sr=1-8&keywords=16x2+LCD+hd44780
[1:40] <shiftplusone> no mention of a serial backpack on that page
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[1:40] <pyb0k3h> https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Raspberry-Pi-Python-Code/blob/master/Adafruit_CharLCD/Adafruit_CharLCD.py
[1:40] <pyb0k3h> this is the library i would be using
[1:41] <pyb0k3h> so it is using RPi.GPIO
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[1:41] <pyb0k3h> not sure how i2C would be involved
[1:42] <gaz_b> hi there, can anyone reccommend a 128GB SD card i can use in a revision B board running raspBMC ?
[1:42] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Raspberry-Pi-Python-Code/tree/master/Adafruit_CharLCDPlate
[1:42] <shiftplusone> gaz_b, bad idea. SD cards aren't made to last or be reliable.
[1:43] <gaz_b> does that go for USB sticks too ?
[1:43] <shiftplusone> USB sticks are quite reliable on the pi
[1:44] <gaz_b> i want to store files locally on my media centre (not stream) , would a 128GB USB stick be better?
[1:44] <pyb0k3h> shiftplusone: so you're saying i should use that LCDPlate libary instead?
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[1:45] <ShorTie> or a usb hard drive
[1:45] <shiftplusone> pyb0k3h, I am not saying either. I am just pointing to the i2c version of the library, but it seems to also use the io expander chip and might require modification. I haven't looked into the specifics.
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[1:46] <shiftplusone> gaz_b, a hard drive with an external power supply would be ideal.
[1:46] <pyb0k3h> hmm i can't find an example online with that kind of LCD setup, i may just remove the board and go with more wiring i guess
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[1:47] <shiftplusone> pyb0k3h, there are some problems with doing that.
[1:47] <pyb0k3h> doing what? removing the board?
[1:47] <gaz_b> mmm, that would moving away from the prtability i need .. ideally a 128GB stick to store files. Ideally ill want to power even the raspberry pi from the USB power from the TV usb ports... ideall no power socket at all .. is taht psosble ?
[1:47] <shiftplusone> the controller is designed for 5v. Although it will work with 3v, you will have contrast issues.
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[1:48] <shiftplusone> If it operates from 3v, the contrast needs to be a negative voltage.
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[1:48] <shiftplusone> what some people do (Gordon, for example) is hook it up to 5v, but only use 3.3v logic, ensuring that they never try to read anything back from the display
[1:49] <blair449> hello, how can I change the boot of raspbian so that it doesn't load unnecessary services?
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[1:49] <shiftplusone> The 'right' way to do things is to read the 'busy flag' before sending a command ot make sure it's done with the last one, but what most people do is just wait a little bit after sending the command. That way is a little slower, but works.
[1:50] <shiftplusone> blair449, man update-rc.d
[1:50] <shiftplusone> blair449, or install rcconf
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[1:51] <blair449> what is that shiftplusone?
[1:51] <shiftplusone> a little menu that lets you enable or disable services without doing it manually
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[1:54] <pyb0k3h> i just don't know how to setup the wiring with that board attached to the LCD
[1:54] <pyb0k3h> i was going to run this exercise: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Raspberry-Pi-Python-Code/blob/master/Adafruit_CharLCD/Adafruit_CharLCD_IPclock_example.py
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[1:55] <pyb0k3h> the example im looking at is just the LCD, with potentiometer to control contrast of LCD
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[1:59] <gaz_b> will running a 128GB USD stick require any more power than is required as standard by the Pi?
[2:00] <shiftplusone> depends on what you mean exactly. The power requirements given assume that you'll have some non-power hungry usb devices plugged in
[2:01] <gaz_b> i guess what i mean is ..is a 128GB USB stick a power hungry device ?
[2:01] <shiftplusone> nope
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[2:02] <gaz_b> will it power from a TV's USB port ?
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[2:02] <shiftplusone> depends on the TV
[2:02] <gaz_b> TV's have different USB 2.0 power output ratings ?
[2:02] <gaz_b> oh, didnt realise that
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[2:04] <shiftplusone> The pi requires more than 500mA, but there are many devices which operate out of USB specs, so most manufacturers take that into account
[2:04] <gaz_b> ok thanks
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[2:05] <shiftplusone> if we're going by specs, the answer is 'no', but in practice, 'yes'
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[2:09] <gaz_b> somebody mentioned i will need to buy a codec licence from raspberry pi to play certain file types aswell ..is this true ?
[2:09] <shiftplusone> yup
[2:10] <shiftplusone> the codec prices aren't bundled into the cost of the hardware as they are with most other devices.
[2:10] <gaz_b> i see
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[2:18] <kevireilly> is it generally recommended to keep pins open or should they be opened and closed on demand? The problem with the latter that I've found is that I can't read the value if I open and close
[2:19] <shiftplusone> what do you mean by open and close?
[2:19] <shiftplusone> input/output?
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[2:21] <kevireilly> having a feeling this may be client specific (node.js pi-gpio) i'm checking out the code now.. seems "open" is doing something like `/sys/devices/virtual/gpio export 17 and then setting the direction to input or output
[2:21] <kevireilly> closing does an unexport
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[2:22] <shiftplusone> So I guess it uses the kernel module then.
[2:22] <shiftplusone> You should keep it 'open' while your program is running
[2:23] <kevireilly> ah ok, excellent.. thanks shiftplusone
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[2:23] <shiftplusone> np
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[2:27] <kevireilly> speaking of input versus output, where does one use input instead of output? I'm trying to find an explanation on the googs, but am failing to do so
[2:27] <shiftplusone> input if you want to read a value (like a switch)
[2:28] <shiftplusone> output if you want to output a value (like an LED)
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[2:28] <kevireilly> ahh that makes a lot of sense, thanks again
[2:28] <shiftplusone> np
[2:29] <kevireilly> i am using output and an LED presently ;)
[2:29] <kevireilly> i have a switch sitting here that i might as well try now with input
[2:30] <kevireilly> am i remembering wrong or do some switches have 2 or 3 connectors?
[2:30] <kevireilly> i mean, there are both
[2:30] <shiftplusone> a switch needs to be wired correctly (it's not very intuitive)
[2:30] <shiftplusone> and yeah there are lots of different types of switches
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[2:31] <shiftplusone> SPDT (single pole, double throw) would have three contacts, for example.
[2:31] <shiftplusone> 3 pins, rather
[2:32] <kevireilly> ah ok, that might be what i have.. has 3
[2:32] <shiftplusone> is it a button or a switch?
[2:32] <kevireilly> switch, up down
[2:32] <shiftplusone> yeah
[2:32] <shiftplusone> probably spdt then
[2:33] <kevireilly> sweet, that keyword helps
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[2:41] <ebswift> is there a way to maintain a static session into raspbian or run a command that isn't session-dependent? if i ssh in, run a process, then kill the console, it kills the whole session, i want something to keep running
[2:41] <shiftplusone> screen
[2:41] <shiftplusone> or tmux
[2:41] <shiftplusone> or in some cases, nohup might be enough.
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[2:42] <[styx]> I literally just set up screen for irssi
[2:42] <[styx]> working wel so far
[2:42] <ebswift> is that from the client end or on the raspi?
[2:42] <shiftplusone> on the pi
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[2:42] <ebswift> oh, nice
[2:42] <ebswift> thx, i'll google it
[2:43] <ebswift> uh, though 'screen' is a little too generic for google, is there a link or a more specific search term?
[2:43] <shiftplusone> gnu screen
[2:43] <ebswift> cool
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[2:44] <shiftplusone> in a nutshell though, apt-get install screen
[2:44] <shiftplusone> when you want to start a session, just run 'screen'
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[2:45] <shiftplusone> if you get disconnected, you can ssh back in and run screen -x
[2:45] <shiftplusone> and attach back to the session
[2:45] <ebswift> nice, i'll try it now
[2:45] <shiftplusone> the keyboard shortcuts are done this way... you press ctrl+a, let go and then press another key
[2:45] <shiftplusone> so ctrl+a, d will detach
[2:46] <ebswift> this is all at the console right, not in x?
[2:46] <shiftplusone> ctrl+a, c will create another window. you can press ctrl+a, 0-9 to switch between windows.
[2:46] <shiftplusone> yes
[2:46] <ebswift> cool
[2:46] <shiftplusone> when you want to get fancy, you can split the screen and have multiple things going on at once
[2:46] <ebswift> i'm using gspread to report the ip into a spreadsheet by mac address
[2:46] <ebswift> just need one persistent
[2:47] <ebswift> can multiple clients connect to the same screen?
[2:47] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[2:47] <ebswift> good stuff
[2:47] <shiftplusone> the sort of thing you can do... http://inconsolation.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/2013-03-08-solo-2150-fbcmd.png http://kmandla.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/widgets.png
[2:48] <ebswift> heh, cool idea, x for console kinda
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[2:48] <shiftplusone> yup
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[2:51] <ebswift> way cool
[2:51] <ebswift> it works nicely
[2:52] <shiftplusone> adding a 'status bar' is a good idea. Something like this http://beerpla.net/2009/10/06/supercharge-your-gnu-screen-with-a-power-taskbar-and-never-feel-lost-again/
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[2:54] <ebswift> nice idea
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[3:11] <maximum_deletion> anyone using ROS on their rPi?
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[3:48] <pyb0k3h> ok i have this LCD with I2C plate attached and I ran the example code from http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-16x2-character-lcd-plus-keypad-for-raspberry-pi/usage
[3:49] <pyb0k3h> seems to work except that the message/text doesn't appear!
[3:49] <pyb0k3h> the cursor blinks at the top right
[3:49] <pyb0k3h> the sample code is for RBG LCD, but i have a monochrome LCD
[3:50] <pyb0k3h> i ran i2cdetect and it shows "27" in the "7" column and "20" row
[3:52] <pyb0k3h> so i modified the sample code's __init__() method by setting addr=0x27 (originally it was set to 0x20)
[3:52] <shiftplusone> the adafruit plate uses an io expander chip, so their code is to control that. And I think your backpack has a microcontroller which passes i2c commands to the LCD. I don't think the library is usable. Although I still think using i2c is easier, if you don't know the controller and you haven't worked with i2c, it may be easier for you to remove the backpack.
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[3:52] <pyb0k3h> btw, i entered 7x27, but I get a syntax error
[3:53] <pyb0k3h> yes that's what frustrating, i can clear the LCD, turn the backlight on and off
[3:53] <shiftplusone> hmm
[3:53] <pyb0k3h> but when i execute the message() method, the text doesn't show up
[3:53] <shiftplusone> tried adjusting contrast?
[3:53] <pyb0k3h> i adjusted the contrast
[3:53] <shiftplusone> k
[3:53] <pyb0k3h> the cursor is visible, it just blinks top right
[3:54] <shiftplusone> ah
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[3:54] <pyb0k3h> also why is it that i had to set addr=0x27 and not 7x27 like my i2cdetect shows?
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[3:55] <pyb0k3h> i did trial and error and used 0x27 and that seems to work (no longer get IO error
[3:55] <pyb0k3h> so im so close to getting it to work
[3:55] <shiftplusone> I don't know, i've only used SPI. Haven't touched i2c yet.
[3:56] <pyb0k3h> i tried 07x27, but get syntax error
[3:58] <pyb0k3h> so if "27" appears in the 7th column and row labelled "20", my address is 7x27, right?
[3:58] <pyb0k3h> im talking about my i2cdetect output
[3:58] <ldunn> I think your address is 0x27 in that case. "0x" is notation that means "this number is in hexadecimal"
[3:58] <shiftplusone> that makes sense
[4:00] <pyb0k3h> im looking at the library, taking a look at the message() function which calls the write() function: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Raspberry-Pi-Python-Code/blob/master/Adafruit_CharLCDPlate/Adafruit_CharLCDPlate.py
[4:02] <pyb0k3h> so somewhere in the write() function, it isn't matching up with my plate somehow
[4:03] <pyb0k3h> im afraid im a programming noob to know what this write() method does under hood
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[4:04] <pyb0k3h> my guess my plate just doesn't match the libary's write() method completely, bummer
[4:05] <pyb0k3h> i may have to go the non-I2C route
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[4:08] <pyb0k3h> i tried setCursor(1,1), but still message doesn't show up
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[5:34] <skiddex> can anyone help? i cannot ssh to rpi over wan but ssh over lan works fine. also xrdp works fine both on wan and lan.
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[6:17] <skiddex> ssh over wan has issues but ssh over lan works. anyone have any ideas why? thanks
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[7:41] <Taylor> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=68029 - if anyone could look at the last post and possibly point me in the right direction, I'm not even sure what to debug at this point. I thought for sure it was a hardware issue but after replacing all hardware I'm still having issues.
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[10:44] <MProg> hi _o/
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[11:44] <ShorTie> cool, you can fdisk a image
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[11:48] <ShorTie> but blaaa, made my partition to big rPi_camera.img: 4344 MB
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[11:57] <basti> as i told, i somehow blue one gpio, bu i still dont understand how. may be some of you can tell me. i used a relais (http://www.exp-tech.de/images/product_images/original_images/2channel_2.jpg ), connected external 5v to jd-vcc, pin3 to in, 3.3v to vcc and obv. ground. the moment i connected pin3 the relais swtiched. but i couldnt controll it. so i removed all the wires and tried to set pin3 as output/high, but no response. so what happ
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[12:03] <ShorTie> are you sure that +5 goes to jd-vcc and not the vcc right next to it ??
[12:03] <basti> yes
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[12:04] <ShorTie> you got ohm meter maybe ??
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[12:05] <basti> yes
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[12:07] <ShorTie> see if you have continuaty between jd-vcc and the vcc on the other header
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[12:08] <basti> no you dont have that. allready checked this. you can use a jumper to bridge jd-vcc and vcc, when you want to only use 5v.
[12:09] <basti> but i wanted to be safe, and removed that....
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[12:10] <basti> vcc left and vcc right are the same
[12:10] <ShorTie> ok.
[12:13] <basti> this is the circuit btw http://yourduino.com/p/OptoRelayChannelData-575.jpg
[12:14] <basti> so in theroy this could not have happened... but it did. two times
[12:14] <ShorTie> you did have your +5 grd hooked up to the grd pin on that header
[12:15] <basti> i dont understand your question...
[12:15] <ShorTie> your +5 has 2 wires ??
[12:16] <basti> as i said. external 5v to jd-vcc, ground from this to grnd left. in1 -> pin3, vcc right -> 3.3v pi, gnd left -> gnd pi
[12:17] <basti> gnd right...
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[12:19] <ShorTie> don't know if it makes a diff, but that is an extra grd that is not on that schem
[12:19] <ShorTie> got a couple aa batteries ??
[12:22] <ShorTie> you could hook up the +5, then use the batteries from the vcc to in1
[12:22] <ShorTie> i would think the relay should work
[12:23] <basti> sure, you need a common ground. else it would not work.... and of course, the relais itself does work fine.
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[12:24] <ShorTie> na, the rPi is basically just lighting a led
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[12:24] <ShorTie> no other grd needed in that circuit
[12:26] <basti> you are right.
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[12:29] <basti> but that does not explain, why i fried the pin, does it?
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[12:31] <ShorTie> don't know, backfeeds can be hard to determine and/or explain at times
[12:32] <ShorTie> look up the opto-coupler, check the pin out for the led portition of it, that is all you need hooked up to the rPi i would think
[12:32] <basti> there is a diod that shoud prevent this
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[12:37] <ShorTie> ok, so in reality the rPi is lighting up 2 led's it looks like, but a diode only prevents reverse voltage workage, not so much back feeds if in right direction
[12:38] <ShorTie> only way i believe to blow a gpio pin is to back feed +5 into it
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[12:40] <basti> i thought so too. that is why i dont understand this. but ok. it happened. i still have some more pis... ;)
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[12:57] <local> hey all. In /var/log/syslog I get messages with words like "DBUS activating org.freedesktop.policyblablabla" and so on. That is confusing me. I have configured "raspi-config" to boot into console, and therefore I am not using X or any desktop. Do I really need DBUS, is that default behaviour on a RPi ?
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[13:02] <ShorTie> i don't think the system will boot without dbus, so i would say ya normal
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[13:04] <ShorTie> D-Bus is an inter-process communication (IPC) system for software applications to communicate with one another.
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[13:13] <ShorTie> you might be able to get rid of those error messages by re-compiling dbus without X
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[13:37] <knob> Good morning guys!! :)
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[13:38] <SiC> thats an unusual nick name to have knob
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[13:39] <knob> SiC... yeah... didn't think about it years ago... and now... oh well
[13:39] <knob> too late to go back now
[13:39] <knob> Man, yesterday was AWESOME
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[13:39] <knob> I was able to setup a reverse ssh tunnel with one of my rPis
[13:40] <knob> It is behind a small TMobile wifi hotspot
[13:40] <knob> and that hotspot thingy doesn't do ddns or port forwarding even if its digital life depended on it
[13:40] <knob> So, I setup a reverse ssh to a server I have... which for me is awesome, because 1st, now I can connect
[13:40] <knob> 2nd, I had never done it before
[13:40] <knob> and 3rd, I learned the basics of using key-authentification for ssh
[13:40] <knob> =)
[13:40] <ShorTie> he just wants to be the object that opens the path way to learning
[13:44] <knob> =) awww ShorTie, that's cute! Dude, that could be a marketing tag line
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[14:31] <local> ShorTie: ok, I know about DBUS but I just compared to all my other RPi's. They don't show such log entries and that's why I am wondering about. Why does this particular RPi try to load freedesktop.org.xxxxxx ?
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[15:22] <treeherder> rootkit
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[16:57] <basti> ok, now i am getting pissed. i just blew my second gpio with that damn relais thingy...
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[16:59] <basti> http://yourduino.com/p/OptoRelayChannelData-575.jpg as explained earlier, JD-VCC is powered by an external source (5V). IN0 to some gpio and vcc 3.3V from the pi.
[16:59] <basti> no jumper or anything
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[17:01] <shiftplusone> and you've got the optocoupler in there?
[17:01] <basti> yes
[17:01] <basti> it is prebuild
[17:01] <shiftplusone> a little overdone, but I don't see anything that can possibly harm the pi if it's wired up correctly.
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[17:02] <basti> me neither. so i dont get what is happening. i measured in0/1 and there is nothing
[17:03] <shiftplusone> wouldn't kill your pi, but the pi's ground is connected to the external supply's ground?
[17:04] <basti> it was, when i fried my first pin
[17:04] <shiftplusone> actually, in that circuit it doesn't matter, nevermind.
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[17:04] <basti> yeah, ShorTie pointed that out earlier, too.
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> basti, what is Vcc connected to on the input side?
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> are you sure it's 3.3v?
[17:05] <basti> pin 1
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> then it's virtually impossible to "blow" a gpio pin that way.
[17:05] <basti> http://pastebin.com/P7pXWc4P
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> fascinating.
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> have you run pintest?
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[17:08] <basti> where was that again?
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[17:11] <basti> found it: http://pastebin.com/5jMQu7rJ
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> that indicates that the pins work OK in INPUT mode and that the internal pull-up/pull-down resistors are working correctly.
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> the only way to test output mode is to connect a pin to a 220Ω resistor and then to an LED.
[17:14] <basti> i measured and there is nada
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> sure you're measuring the right pin?
[17:15] <basti> between pin5 and 1
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[17:15] <gordonDrogon> pin5 - assuming this is header pin 5 - that's one of the I2C pins.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> it's pulled high to 3.3v via a 1800Ω resistor.
[17:16] <basti> header 18
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[17:16] <gordonDrogon> ok. header 18 is gpio5 (bcm_gpio 24)
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> I'd measure it to 0v (p1:6)
[17:17] <basti> yes. and there is nothing when i set it to high. other pins give me 3.3
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> but it drives high or low, so shouldn't matter.
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> well - I guess it's possible the output driver is blown - I've not seen that before.
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> however there are 2 output drivers - one to drive it high, the other to drive it low.
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> I do find it hard to work out how connecting it to the opto isolator would blow the pin though.
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> unless you mis-wired and connected it to the +5v line directly.
[17:20] <basti> i checked it often enough after i blew my first pin yesterday. there was no mistake
[17:20] <basti> i can take a pic...
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[17:22] <basti> the only thing that could go wrong, is that i changed header 1 and 2. and that i did not
[17:22] <basti> i mean the 1 is right beside it
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[17:24] <basti> i guess i can reprodue it and blow some more pins. just so you can see it for yourself ;)
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> er, no.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> but if you swapped the heder over then you'd get 5v rather than 3.3
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[17:32] <AndreeeCZ> hello guys. Could someone point me to how can i send bytes to uart?
[17:32] <basti> as i said, i did not
[17:32] <AndreeeCZ> byte, i mean
[17:32] <AndreeeCZ> one byte
[17:32] <AndreeeCZ> via shell
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[17:36] <basti> gordonDrogon, i have some pis that dont need gpio, so i could do that... just so you believe me.
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[17:38] <got> Raspberry Pi component map http://raspmap.tsar.in (enter with most recent firefox or chrome)
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[17:41] <shiftplusone> got, your work?
[17:42] <got> shiftplusone: yes
[17:42] <shiftplusone> nice
[17:42] <got> thx
[17:42] <shiftplusone> stumbled upon it a few days ago and thought it was a good idea
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[17:43] <got> :)
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> AndreeeCZ, via shell? echo -n "a" > /dev/ttyACM0
[17:52] <AndreeeCZ> gordonDrogon, would this send one byte?
[17:53] <AndreeeCZ> i would like to send uints
[17:53] <AndreeeCZ> uint8
[17:54] <fatalfuuu> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221310796237 anything obvious to make this not good?
[17:55] <fatalfuuu> basically to control a 4WD unit, nothing fancy - just want to rush something
[17:56] <shiftplusone> I wrote a script for someone to do that a while back, but can't find it. =/
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> AndreeeCZ, you probably need to write a program to do it efficiently.
[17:57] <basti> fatalfuuu, the l293d is pretty easy. if you want to solder/use a breadboard it could get a lot cheaper
[17:58] <basti> i forgot, that the pi only has one pwm... i used them with an atmega8, so forget what i said
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> fatalfuuu, how many motors do you need to control?
[17:59] <fatalfuuu> 4
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> ok - well that'll do it.
[17:59] <shiftplusone> found chat logs... might have a link in a bit
[17:59] <fatalfuuu> sorry to ditch you but I got to go, cheers :p
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[17:59] <shiftplusone> nope, nvrm
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[18:49] <AbbyTheRat> hmm, it's possible to connect up two displays to the GPIO?
[18:50] <shiftplusone> I don't see why not.
[18:51] <AbbyTheRat> I was taking apart one of my alarm clock cause two of the switches were broken (bad design.. weak plastic..with even weaker points.. no wonder they were broken)
[18:52] <AbbyTheRat> the display is nicely labeled.. so I was wondering of using that as my clock instead of displaying it on the LCD display I am planning to get
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[18:53] <Encrypt> AbbyTheRat, I think it is
[18:53] <Encrypt> I saw a board which allows to use the GPIO outputs multiple times
[18:53] <shiftplusone> what does that mean? O_o
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[18:54] <AbbyTheRat> I Did too.. oddly enough
[18:54] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, There might be a kind of multiplexing chip
[18:55] <Encrypt> I agree my sentence isn't clear
[18:55] <shiftplusone> ah
[18:55] <AbbyTheRat> was just scared to ^_^; I've not done anything like this before
[18:55] <shiftplusone> mcp230somethingorother
[18:57] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-expansion-boards/pi-rack Encrypt, this is what you're thinking of?
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[18:57] <Encrypt> Nope
[18:57] <Encrypt> It was something really insane
[18:57] <Encrypt> I'm looking for it in my browsing history
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[19:05] <Encrypt> I can't find it... :/
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[19:08] <iiie> Encrypt: like http://www.instructables.com/id/Led-Cube-8x8x8/step8/IO-port-expansion-more-multiplexing/ ?
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[19:10] <Encrypt> I got it!
[19:11] <Encrypt> iiie, Nope, that wasn't what I was looking for
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[19:12] <AbbyTheRat> SO CLOSE yet so far, Encrypt
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[19:13] <iiie> AbbyTheRat: how many IO pins do you need for each display?
[19:13] <AbbyTheRat> er.. let me take apart the alarm clock again :D
[19:14] <Encrypt> This was the article I had found: http://www.framboise314.fr/empilez-les-cartes-dextension-du-raspberry-pi-avec-abelectronics/
[19:14] <Encrypt> And here are the accessories: http://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/raspberry-pi/
[19:15] <Encrypt> iiie, It might be the product you showed me then
[19:15] <Encrypt> What AbbyTheRat might need is this: http://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/18/IO-Pi-32-Channel-Port-Expander-for-the-Raspberry-Pi-computer-boards
[19:15] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.adafruit.com/products/498 <- that's what I'm planning to get
[19:15] <Encrypt> As I said earlier...
[19:15] <Encrypt> http://www.framboise314.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/abelectronique_pile_250.jpg
[19:15] <AbbyTheRat> anddd.. moment, taking apart alarm clock for pictures of pin
[19:15] <Encrypt> That's insane, isn't it? :P
[19:16] <iiie> Encrypt: very nice
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[19:17] <iiie> My link was in an instructable for an LED cube
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> AbbyTheRat, LCD type displays? You can connect a dozen or so.
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> AbbyTheRat, http://wiringpi.com/dev-lib/lcd-library/
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[19:23] <rigid> iiie: check out http://niftyled.de if you plan to control a LED cube with the raspi
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> I have a board with 48LEDs directly connected to a Pi right now ...
[19:24] <iiie> rigid: thanks, I wasn't, just looking for multiplexing options :)
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> won't quite make a big cube though.
[19:24] <rigid> iiie: ah ;)
[19:24] <iiie> very nice though
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> you can do a 4x4x4 on a Rev 2 Pi though if you use the P5 GPIO connector.
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> my 48 LEds are a 4x4 by RGB array.
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> all done via multiplexing.
[19:25] <iiie> I do plan to use P5 at some point, but I haven't used up P1 yet
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[19:27] <rigid> gordonDrogon: write a niftyled plugin for it! :-D
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> rigid, why?
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[19:31] <rigid> gordonDrogon: it's a nice abstraction framework. it's easy. you can easily send pixels to it using VLC, gStreamer, SDL, netcat, etc.
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[19:32] <rigid> you can combine it with other LED hardware, you'll only need a fraction of time for the next LED project.. hm... lots of reasons
[19:32] <rigid> but mainly because the project seeks contributions. You might find a bug or two :-P
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> I hardly think a 4x4 array is worth it..
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> and I've already written the software to drive it.
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> and to be honest, I doubt anyone will built it - it's part of a project, but my fear is that people have just lost the ability to put together some stripboard.
[19:37] <AbbyTheRat> (or not bother to gain it?)
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[19:41] <AbbyTheRat> I'm still taking apart the alarm clock :)
[19:41] <AbbyTheRat> moment!
[19:41] <AbbyTheRat> just took some picture of it working
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[19:46] <gordonDrogon> rigid, http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20140219_183815.jpg
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[19:48] <rigid> gordonDrogon: is it stackable? so you could append another 48 LEDs?
[19:48] <rigid> in what language is your driver software written?
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> rigid, Heh.. not stackable no. it's all in C using wiringPi.
[19:49] <rigid> hm, doesn't look chainable/stackable
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[19:49] <rigid> ah... C would be "cut & paste" to turn it into a niftyled plugin
[19:50] <rigid> but I admit, the usefulness is a bit limited for a 4x4 matrix. Unless you plan to expand it
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> maybe, but what's the point. that's the only one - there will never be more.
[19:50] <rigid> or you'd like to use it with high level software
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> I already use it with high level software. C and BASIC.
[19:51] <rigid> there would have been a point if you'd known niftyled before you've written the code. Like freely mapping pixels with a GUI
[19:51] <rigid> that's not high level. how do you generate the pixels?
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> plot(x,y,colour);
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> line(x,y,x2,y2)
[19:52] <rigid> yeah... high level would be to use a GIF animation, an .avi file, the cairo API or something
[19:52] * gordonDrogon shrugs.
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> I have no use for that.
[19:53] <rigid> this way, one can reuse the pixel generating software with hardware that doesn't rely on wiringPi
[19:53] <rigid> i see
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> that board relies on wiringPi. it's designed to work on a Pi.
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[19:54] <rigid> i got that. but if you write a tetris game for example, you are limited to your hardware/software. With niftyled you can use it on any LED hardware...
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> I know what you're getting at, but my tetris game is written in BASIC and runs under my own BASIC interperter on the Pi.
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> 4x4 isn't big enough for tetris.
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[19:56] <rigid> yeah...
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> basically, I have no interest in putting another layer of software between what I want to do and the hardware. much as it might make it easier for others, there are no others here.
[19:57] <rigid> are you doing PWM with this setup?
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> no. it's not easilly possible with that setup.
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> so each LED is only 8 colours.
[19:57] <rigid> well, if you do a lot of LED stuff, you appreciate the additional layer. It saves lots of time. And also simplifies hardware.
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> I don't do a lot of LED stuff.
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> that's the most complex.
[19:57] <AbbyTheRat> http://imgur.com/a/MtjpB sorry for crappy image, other half has my camera so using my tablet camera which doesn't have focus at all
[19:58] <AbbyTheRat> anddd.. I see I accidently included the picture of my son in the degu cage
[19:58] <rigid> i see... niftyled would really be a bit overkill for 3 bit 4x4
[19:59] <rigid> nice clock & nice cage :-P
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[19:59] <AbbyTheRat> the LCD display is what I Want to salvage for my raspberry pi project
[19:59] <AbbyTheRat> do able?
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> rigid, part of the "issue" is that I already have my own very nice library for drawing stuff into a 'framebuffer' it was utterly trivial for me to write the LED driver here then make my library use it. Essentially I have a 4x4 framebuffer that you poke pixels into and the appear on the LEDs.
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> AbbyTheRat, maybe - but you'll need to work out how its interfaces.
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[20:01] <AbbyTheRat> how could I do that?
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> find and read the fine manual.
[20:01] <rigid> gordonDrogon: niftyled doesn't abstract the drawing layer. It takes a framebuffer and maps it to greyscale values
[20:01] <AbbyTheRat> would there be a manual for that part? I robbed it from a manafured alarm clock <_<
[20:01] <rigid> with colorspace conversion and all the nasty stuff
[20:04] <AbbyTheRat> missing a manuel, is there another way to find out the interface for it?
[20:05] <AbbyTheRat> hmm, how do you mean interface?
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> rigid, so instead of me calling plot(x,y,colour); I call niftyLedPlot(x,y,colour) ?
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> Hm. discovered a bug in the sprite handling in FUZE BASIC - Heh - I guess I could jsut treat the screen as a 1920x1280 array of LED pixels then?
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[20:14] <AbbyTheRat> >_>
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[20:15] <basti> gordonDrogon, now pin 6 is gone: http://imgur.com/YJhRmM6
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[20:16] <basti> http://pastebin.com/QLq3ancf
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[20:16] <AbbyTheRat> gordonDrogon: the interface - is that knowning what pin it is or something more then that?
[20:16] <AbbyTheRat> cause I don't have any manuals for this part
[20:16] <AbbyTheRat> all I got to go is what's printed on the board, LED +, 4v5, Data, SCK, STB, VDD and GND
[20:21] <basti> there is nothing wrong with the wiring, but it still blows the gpio pins..................................
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> AbbyTheRat, what pin does what - and what to send down that pin...
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> basti, have you tried trying to make it work without a Pi? ie. just use a 3.3v power uspply?
[20:23] <AbbyTheRat> Ah, well, I have something for what the pin does
[20:23] <basti> yes, it does work gordonDrogon
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> basti, even just use the Pi's 3.3v supply - see if you can make the relays click..
[20:24] <basti> they click
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> AbbyTheRat, that indicates it's serial interface of some sort...
[20:25] <AbbyTheRat> hmm
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> basti, well you need to measure the current going through the opto isolators, but with a 1K resistor in the way it should be very low.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> basti, there is something very wrong if a simple resistor + opto isolator is "blowing" gpio pins.
[20:26] <basti> i have nothing to measure current. only volt/ohm etc
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> most multimeters will measure current too...
[20:27] <basti> gordonDrogon, as you can see in the photo, the wiring is correct. the pin was working fine beofre i wired it up.
[20:27] <basti> mine does not
[20:28] <Taylor> is it safe to set up an image in qemu? when flashed to the pi will there be discrepancies/errors or can it boot flawlessly?
[20:28] <shiftplusone> Taylor, works just fine
[20:29] <shiftplusone> hell, the official image is made using qemu chroot
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> basti, I'm at a loss here then. I do not know.
[20:29] <Taylor> alright thanks
[20:30] <basti> i will order a new relaisboard... but i would like to know what happende. anyone want the old one?
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> post it to me and I'll check ;-)
[20:31] <shiftplusone> Why are people saying 'relais' nowadays?
[20:31] <AbbyTheRat> so what could I do to find out what info I need to send? maybe I could wire the other board into something (the pi?) and record what information it's sending?
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> language/typos ?
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> relays.
[20:31] <shiftplusone> at first I thought it was some foreign language thing, but I have seen it too many times now.
[20:32] <basti> it is german
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> AbbyTheRat, that's an idea but it looks like it might be a 5v board - ot 4.5v which is higher than the Pi's 3.3v...
[20:32] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone: I'm guessing relays only for some reason thinks the purals should be is, instead of ys?
[20:32] <shiftplusone> hm
[20:32] <basti> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relais
[20:33] <shiftplusone> and French, apparently.
[20:33] <AbbyTheRat> de? I thought that was german
[20:33] <basti> i cant get used to write relays. it seems wrong for me, so i use the german word
[20:34] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, 'tis.
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[20:34] <AbbyTheRat> gordonDrogon: ah.It be nice if I could use the board for my project it's pretty much great for what I want to make out of the raspberry pi
[20:34] <AbbyTheRat> if not, if not, ah well
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[20:37] <AbbyTheRat> didn't the latest version of the pi had a 5v?
[20:38] <IT_Sean> the GPIO on the raspi has always been 3.3v. It has always used a 5v PSU.
[20:38] <AbbyTheRat> maybe I just misunderstood the infomation I got. just throught one GPIO had 5v
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[20:39] <shiftplusone> well, it 'has' 5v. it doesn't use it for logic though
[20:39] <shiftplusone> there is 5v on gpio, yes.
[20:39] <IT_Sean> There is ONE 5v pin on the GPIO, and it is not addressable
[20:39] <IT_Sean> the addressable pins are all 3.3v logic
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[20:39] <AbbyTheRat> so, the 4v5 pin on the board maybe addressable?
[20:39] <IT_Sean> the wha?
[20:39] <shiftplusone> eh?
[20:40] <AbbyTheRat> http://imgur.com/a/MtjpB second picture
[20:40] <IT_Sean> the only addressable pins on the board are 3.3v
[20:40] <AbbyTheRat> not talking about the pi board >_<
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[20:40] <AbbyTheRat> talkign about the LCD I want to get working with my pi
[20:40] <IT_Sean> Oh, sorry.
[20:40] <AbbyTheRat> napped from an alarm clock and I'm just trying to find out what I need to do it get it working
[20:40] <AbbyTheRat> (this is my first project..)
[20:41] <pksato> lcd? alarm clock? ?
[20:41] <AbbyTheRat> but it's no worries, it's not like be all/end all
[20:41] <basti> gordonDrogon, shipping would be €3.45. i have to think about it, whether it this is worh it for me. but i am really curious ;)
[20:41] <pksato> most alarm clock, calculator, etc, use a controller less LCDs.
[20:42] <AbbyTheRat> pksato: http://imgur.com/a/MtjpB thats the display (one of) I would like to use
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> basti, no wories!
[20:43] <AbbyTheRat> the text on the second picture is - LED +, 4v5, Data, SCK, STB, VDD and GND, in that order
[20:43] <pksato> dont know this type of display.
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[20:43] <basti> btw, i just checked again. when i connect vcc to 3.3 (pin1) and in to gnd the relais works just fine
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[20:44] <basti> relays...
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[20:49] <pksato> LCD from a calculator (find it on street) http://imgur.com/FrSJteM
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[20:49] <AbbyTheRat> want this display because of the clock face and numbers
[20:49] <AbbyTheRat> it's honestly perfect, along with 20v4 display for other informations that I would like to display
[20:51] <pksato> AbbyTheRat: you need to figure out that controller used on this lcd module.
[20:51] <AbbyTheRat> how would I do this?
[20:52] <pksato> put all labels/number printed on board, and search on google/bing/etc
[20:52] <AbbyTheRat> done, no luck
[20:52] <AbbyTheRat> the numbers and stuff is same name as model of the clock I napped it from
[20:54] <AbbyTheRat> http://sewelldirect.com/LCD-Dual-Display-Analog--Digi.asp
[20:54] <pksato> appears to be a serial data communication. have a clock and data lines.
[20:54] <pksato> clock still work?
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[20:54] <AbbyTheRat> yes, see the other pictures
[20:54] <AbbyTheRat> (ignore the kid in a cage)
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[20:56] <pksato> need todo a reverse engineering, use RPi as data analizer.
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[20:57] <AbbyTheRat> so plug into the clock side? I was told that the board ouput v5 address or something like that.. so I would need to use resisters?
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[20:58] <pksato> Yes, need some level converter. 2k2+3k3 resistors
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[20:59] <AbbyTheRat> on each output?
[21:00] <pksato> yes, on all data lines of clock. dont need to connect a vcc.
[21:00] <AbbyTheRat> VCC? VDD?
[21:01] <pksato> image is out of focus to read lebels.
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[21:01] <pksato> vcc, vdd are power lines.
[21:01] <AbbyTheRat> I mentioned it twice XD
[21:01] <AbbyTheRat> LED +, 4v5, Data, SCK, STB, VDD and GND is what's on the pins
[21:01] <AbbyTheRat> in that order
[21:03] <AbbyTheRat> sorry, my other half the camera and she's at work.. so I had to use my shitty tablet to take pictures
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[21:03] <pksato> data, sck and stb need to sniffed.
[21:03] <gbaman> what does a user need access to to work with GPIO? Without root?
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> without root - you need something that will open the /sys/class stuff for you and change the ownership, then you use the (slow) /sys/class interface.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> but you still need root to do that.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> alternatively you make your program set-uid root.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> but you can use the gpio program to do all the exports for you in /sys/class before you start your program.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> so a shell-script with e.g. gpio export 17 in, etc. in it.
[21:05] <AbbyTheRat> okie, thanks, pstato.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> Id' go for the setuid program and drop root privs after calling wiringPiSetup();
[21:06] <J-e-f-f-A> Hi. I'm building a call screener/blocker and have run into a snag - when I play audio files (wavs) with aplay to the analog 3.5" jack, the pi often hard locks and I have to power-cycle it. I thought I read of fixes going into the kernel months ago, but I'm running the latest everything and still having issues.
[21:06] <J-e-f-f-A> Could I work around that by using a USB sound card?
[21:07] <J-e-f-f-A> (er, 3.5mm jack. lol)
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[21:07] <J-e-f-f-A> Oh, and It's a v2 pi running raspibian.
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[21:13] <basti> can you swap an installed os from one pi to another without running into problems?
[21:13] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: That looks like a cool LCD. If the clock is still operational, I'd 'sniff' the data pins as others have suggested. - Maybe while in a 'time set' mode while you move the minutes forward/backwards, etc - to view the commands.
[21:14] <basti> i mean the sd card with the os installed on it
[21:14] <AbbyTheRat> the clock design has made it easy for me
[21:14] <J-e-f-f-A> basti: I've done it between v2 machines fine - not sure if there's anything to be concerned when going between v1 and v2 though.
[21:14] <AbbyTheRat> you can set the time directly from a button
[21:15] <AbbyTheRat> could do the whole thing blind so it's no problem.
[21:15] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: If you were blind, I don't think an LCD would do you much good. LOL!
[21:15] <AbbyTheRat> PFFFF! XD Close
[21:15] <AbbyTheRat> I'm deaf :D
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[21:16] <AbbyTheRat> I mean I could get all the info I need without needing to see the LCD display.
[21:16] <J-e-f-f-A> Ah, so it wouldn't do any good to YELL at you.
[21:17] <IT_Sean> what?
[21:17] <basti> nitpick: LC Display
[21:17] <IT_Sean> basti: stop picking nits :p
[21:17] <AbbyTheRat> nope, and that's why part of my project plan for a later date, is to connect up a viberating pad
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[21:18] * IT_Sean suggests an alarm clock controlled cattle prod instead :p
[21:18] <AbbyTheRat> basiaf: I'm going to make you go nuts!, PIN number
[21:18] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: Anyways - if you re-connect that display to the clock, then sniff the lines to reverse-engineer the protocol to control it.
[21:20] <AbbyTheRat> sniff? so instead of plugging the pi in directly? so more like clock - |pi - LC Display?
[21:20] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: And/or - trace those signals back to the chip that's driving them - if you get lucky, it would be a standard microcontroller and perhaps the I2c or SPI pins. Who knows.
[21:21] <AbbyTheRat> ah,, basti: PIN Number! Go nuts
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[21:21] <J-e-f-f-A> Well- connect to the clock, and 'sniff' the pins with an o-scope or logic analizer or a program on the pi written to read the pins and 'record' them for your analysis.
[21:21] <AbbyTheRat> basti: ATM Machine, have fun~
[21:21] <basti> hiv virus
[21:22] <J-e-f-f-A> 1234
[21:23] <AbbyTheRat> I don't have o-scope/logic analyizer so will do it with pi when I get ahold of one ... soon I hope <_<
[21:24] <J-e-f-f-A> So I've got my CallerID Logger/Blocker running on one of my PIs, but if I try to play an audio file it hard freezes often... Googles seem to suggest that there -was- a kernel panic issue, but has since been fixed.
[21:24] <J-e-f-f-A> My Q is if a) It's still an issue, and if anyone knows a fix for it, and/or B) Will using a USB Sound Card work around the issue?
[21:24] <AbbyTheRat> huh.. almost sounds like you hit a different issue? a corner case?
[21:25] <J-e-f-f-A> I guess I should hook up a USB->Serial adapter on the serial port pins and see if that's what's happening. :/
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[21:27] <J-e-f-f-A> All I can have it do right now is hang up on the blocked calls... I want to play a disconnected message - ie: "<SIT tone> The number you have reached is no longer in service." - before hanging up...
[21:27] <J-e-f-f-A> I suppose I could also try another OS - I'm using Raspibian right now.
[21:27] <basti> i dont know if these things do anything, but you could try usbee ax pro.
[21:28] <AbbyTheRat> oh huh, sounds like a VoIP Raspberry Pi?
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[21:28] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: Not quite - actually interfacing to an Analog line. My 92yo grandmother has been getting scammed by people in foreign countries - I've got about 98% of the calls blocked/stopped now, but some still get through.
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[21:30] <pksato> J-e-f-f-A: play sound with out hang if disconnected from any other device?
[21:30] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: I'm using a USB Modem to get the callerid data now, and based my program on the "Linux Caller ID" project at http://code.google.com/p/linux-caller-id/
[21:32] <J-e-f-f-A> pksato: I don't know, to tell you the truth. I have the following devices attached: USB Hub (self-powered), USB Wifi, USB KBD/Mouse
[21:33] <J-e-f-f-A> pksato: I could try a physical network link instead of wifi to see if that changes anything...
[21:34] <J-e-f-f-A> And no Hub - just KBD/Mouse to eliminate those devices. But I can't imagine a USB Hub causing an issue... I would hope they're pretty 'bulletproof' in this day and age...
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[21:40] <AbbyTheRat> worth a try?
[21:40] <AbbyTheRat> but I agree with you on that front.
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[21:42] <J-e-f-f-A> Yeah, I'll try when I get home. I'll also try another v2 Pi with that SD card to see if perhaps there's a hardware issue with the PI itself in regards to Audio playback. - Sometimes it locks up, sometimes it doesn't... On the surface it seems like an interrupt issue to me.
[21:43] <J-e-f-f-A> I'm assuming if it's an overall audio issue with the PI itself, then using a different program to play the wav file won't make any difference either. The google hits I found referenced 'mixing' sounds.
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[21:45] <Topcat> how do you 'start on boot' in script copied to init.d/myscript I must be missing a register step. it wants files to exist in /var/run do I always have to make these in my init script ?
[21:45] <Topcat> wheezy that is
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[21:46] <uriah> hello
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[21:47] <uriah> does anyone know what options are needed in kernel configuration in order to get gpio pins in /sys/class/gpio ?
[21:48] <basti> are the main pins 0-7 wired any different than the others? maybe some of you read about my "relais board problem", but all pins from 0-7 dont output anything, all the others do
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[21:53] <basti> if everything would be normal i shoud get a 1 everytime, wouldnt i? http://nopaste.info/0d290c04b9.html
[21:53] <basti> shouldnt
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[22:00] <AbbyTheRat> J-e-f-f-A: wouldn't know, I'm too new to understand.
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[22:01] <AbbyTheRat> of course, I set myself a big challage off the bat :D
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[22:04] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: If you're making an 'alarm clock' with the Pi, just remember that it has no on-board RTC, so you'd have to use NTP to get accurate time, or add a cheapo I2C RTC. ;-)
[22:05] <ShorTie> basti, that looks interesting
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[22:05] <AbbyTheRat> it'll be internet, although I've been debating getting RTC as well just so the clock can still work if internet goes down
[22:06] <AbbyTheRat> I intend the raspberry pi to get reminders from google calendar, and alarm clocks
[22:06] <basti> ShorTie, interesting? why?
[22:06] <AbbyTheRat> and figured since I'm doing all that, might get the information on the weather
[22:07] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: cool. ;-)
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[22:07] <AbbyTheRat> and to top it off, alarms trigger the vibrating pad that I have for my other two alarm clocks
[22:07] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: I intend to have my project 'screen' calls by forcing unknown callers to record a name, then have it email that to me before I add them to the 'whitelist' or 'blacklist' remotely. ;-)
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[22:08] <ShorTie> does bash even do a do
[22:08] <J-e-f-f-A> Similar to what Google Voice does now, only I'd get the 'notification' to approve/deny instead of my grandmother. ;-)
[22:08] <AbbyTheRat> mhm, good idea.. wouldn't it be better just to force the callers to display their phone? or is it possible to proof Phone numbers?
[22:09] <AbbyTheRat> proof? spoof? there we go, I mean spoof
[22:09] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: Not enough - these guys are typically from Jamica, and either spoofing phone numbers or using VoIP devices such as MagicJack to call from US numbers.
[22:10] <J-e-f-f-A> My grandmother's hearing is quite poor, and she can't hear their accents. And if the Answering machine picks up, 99.9% of the time they just hang up.
[22:10] <basti> ShorTie, yes it does do do. i likes to do do very much
[22:10] <J-e-f-f-A> So if I get a couple of hangups from the same number, i'll put it in my blacklist.
[22:10] <AbbyTheRat> I was just thinking for the situations of creating a unquie ID for calls so you can make sure people from whitelist but *shrug, my throughts, ignore me :D
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[22:11] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: Yeah, there's a whitelist to let them through without any blocking.
[22:11] <ShorTie> ok, it might help to play with wiringPi, i bet if you look gordonDrogon already has sumfin coded up for ya, or close
[22:12] <basti> he has a test tool for input
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[22:13] <J-e-f-f-A> Thankfully I've come to the Pi after tinkering with microcontrollers and Arduinos, and Linux for the last ~10 years... And I've got an electronics and programming background, so learning the pi is coming pretty easily, even though I'm somewhat of an 'old fart'.lol!
[22:13] <AbbyTheRat> J-e-f-f-A: yeah.. my project was intended to solve a few things.. one alarm clock was just a pain to set, cause every day been different
[22:13] <basti> but can someone else run that srcipt and nopaste the ouput?
[22:14] <AbbyTheRat> second, I've been crap at remembering my pills >_< so I figured.. if I pull alarm set from google calendar, I could create one for pill reminders.. two different actions
[22:14] <basti> if you have api, that is doing nothing else...
[22:15] <AbbyTheRat> one would be one set of alarm, and fire pad (thanks for not making jokes about that :P ), one would just play a mp3/ogg/wave or something thou speakers
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[22:20] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: Wait, play mp3/ogg/wav - ? I thought you said you were deaf?!? ;-)
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[22:22] <AbbyTheRat> I am, but I got some hearing left over
[22:22] <AbbyTheRat> I'm boardline profoundly deaf
[22:22] <AbbyTheRat> but I get by with hearingaids
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[22:22] <AbbyTheRat> hence, when I'm asleep, I want my viberating pad to go off
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[22:23] <AbbyTheRat> but when I'm awake, sounds(loudly) since I generally wouldn't be on the bed when I need to take my pills
[22:23] <AbbyTheRat> unless I connect up something like this
[22:23] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.google.ca/search?q=blue+flashing+lights&newwindow=1&safe=off&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&imgil=vTpkeAPXb-C0dM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcQnPvUmeNSFmUfvooFsmStOHzATVSQPgjgEQn5-P2F35fL19eWYOQ%253B1197%253B1200%253BmVtu6gWCo81Q_M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.123rf.com%25252Fphoto_10281192_detailed-illustration-of-a-blue-fl
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[22:24] <J-e-f-f-A> AbbyTheRat: Ah, so not totally deaf, just headed that way. gotcha.
[22:25] <AbbyTheRat> it hasn't changed
[22:25] <AbbyTheRat> thankfully
[22:25] <AbbyTheRat> was due to an illness as a kid :/
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> http://vimeo.com/58200103
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> (not very on-topic)
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[22:26] <AbbyTheRat> oh nice.. could be on topic.. if the controller was a raspberry pi :P
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes
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[22:27] <AbbyTheRat> I can pick out the beats and a small bit of melody
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[22:28] <J-e-f-f-A> That's genius.... wow...
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[22:28] <lorenzo> hi! do you think a BlackBerry 5V, 700mA power adapter will be fine?
[22:28] <shiftplusone> could go nicely with some floppy drives
[22:28] <lorenzo> I measured 430mA draw with my current setup
[22:29] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone: indeed, sounds like this would do great as a beat part?
[22:29] <shiftplusone> lorenzo, should be fine.
[22:29] <AbbyTheRat> it's as fun watching the ink getting printed as well, it's interesting what's coming out
[22:30] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, yeah, the high seem a bit too screechy.
[22:30] <shiftplusone> *highs
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[22:31] <AbbyTheRat> wouldn't know about the highs.. but then I mentioned it because compared to the floppy and other motor driven music that I've heard.. I could hear the beat much better while witht he others, I could hear the mid range better
[22:32] <local> anyone can explain to me, why DBUS loads service "freedesktop.org.xxxxxx" on my RPi? All my other RPi's doesn't show such log entries within /var/log/syslog. But one RPi seems to load that stuff and I don't know why. I configured through "raspi-config" to use console only, no X !
[22:32] <shiftplusone> ah
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[22:32] <AbbyTheRat> and to keep it on topic, anyone want to have ago at making music out of motors - http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=69947&p=508102 here's one topic I randomly found while googling
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[22:34] <SpeedEvil> http://www.rotarywoofer.com/
[22:34] <AbbyTheRat> local: sure you didn't miss a step?
[22:34] <J-e-f-f-A> Heh - in the USA, there was a certain brand of bank ATM machine that would cycle the motors when despensing cash so that it sounded like the Da-da-da-da-da-da "Charge" jingle...
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[22:39] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh2AWswAMvw
[22:42] <[Saint]> I made my phone vibrate the little "shave and a haircut, two bits" jingle.
[22:43] <[Saint]> I can control duration and intensity, I could make longer jingles but I have to do it all manually. No way I've found to convert it automagically.
[22:43] <[Saint]> ...though, I could probably script it if I tried hard enough. I'm just astoundingly lazy.
[22:44] <[Saint]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shave_and_a_Haircut - if anyone is wondering.
[22:44] <[Saint]> (it may not be obvious from the title, but everyone has heard this tune, I damn near guarantee it)
[22:45] <[Saint]> Awww, wrong link (kinda) - I wanted the example file: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Shave_and_a_Haircut_in_G.mid
[22:46] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx_vWkv50uk
[22:46] <AbbyTheRat> that's freaking awesome!
[22:47] <AbbyTheRat> [Saint]: look at what you could do if you weren't so lazy!
[22:47] <[Saint]> I only have two vibratey-mo-thinga-jiggers in my phone. :)
[22:47] <[Saint]> Not 8.
[22:47] <AbbyTheRat> get a bunch of viberaty thingies and build it out of your raspberry :P
[22:48] * GentileBen is now known as SirCrispinTheJew
[22:48] <[Saint]> Sadly, my raspberrypis are *very* unused presently.
[22:48] <AbbyTheRat> and that music just sent EVERYTHING but the router off the top of my "woofer"
[22:48] <[Saint]> One of them is literally a paperweight.
[22:48] <AbbyTheRat> shame on you!
[22:48] <[Saint]> I upgraded.
[22:48] <AbbyTheRat> to?
[22:49] <[Saint]> STE's Snowball.
[22:49] <[Saint]> Its better in every fathomable way.
[22:49] <AbbyTheRat> *googles*
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[22:51] <[Saint]> I rant about it far too much in this channel. 1GHz dual core CPU, embedded NAND storage, actual dedicated ethernet that doesn't share a bus, GPS, thermometer for GPU, CPU and ambient, HDMI, composite video in and video out, composite audio in and out, a metric crap-tonne of other sensors...they're great.
[22:51] <local> AbbyTheRat: what step?
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[22:51] <AbbyTheRat> local: I don't know, that's just my gut feeling.
[22:52] <[Saint]> The best part is the failed miserably at launch and STE is getting rid of them at 1/6th the original price.
[22:52] <[Saint]> $50 USD for the above.
[22:52] <[Saint]> I worked it out and addind the same feature set to a pi is (actually impossible, but, close) will cost around %400
[22:53] <[Saint]> *adding
[22:53] <[Saint]> *$400, even.
[22:53] <AbbyTheRat> not bad *shrug*
[22:53] <local> AbbyTheRat: please give me a hint, if I am missing something. To my knowledge I did the same configuration on all my RPi's, and only one is showing these strange "DBUS service freedesktop.org.consolekit" lines in /var/log/syslog
[22:54] <AbbyTheRat> local, wish I could but I'm not familier with raspberry yet
[22:54] <AbbyTheRat> although my understanding of the pi is it meant to be cheap learning tool and you only get JUST what you need
[22:55] <[Saint]> Not even quite that. ;)
[22:55] <[Saint]> ...close, though.
[22:55] <AbbyTheRat> so why are you in here? you're a heretic!
[22:56] <[Saint]> In my experience you need to have a very low bar to not need to compromise in /some/ way with this hardware.
[22:56] <[Saint]> Generally speaking a lot of people try to do way too much with them.
[22:57] <AbbyTheRat> What is love~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q
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[22:58] <[Saint]> local: sometimes it pays to pick your battles.
[22:58] <[Saint]> If everything you want to do works, "meh".
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[22:59] <AbbyTheRat> try reconfiguring the raspberry pi?
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[23:00] <[Saint]> Bah. Dist upgrade kicked my off my core.
[23:00] <[Saint]> Unfortunately the whole "my other pis don't do X" isn't /terribly/ useful, unless they have the *exact* same configuration.
[23:01] <[Saint]> Which is doubtful.
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[23:01] <AbbyTheRat> mhm, could be faulty hardware but maybe something got changed somewhere
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[23:09] <local> AbbyTheRat: are you kidding?
[23:10] <[Saint]> Protip: When people try to help you - don't insult them.
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[23:10] <[Saint]> I understand you're frustrated. But, ...yeha.
[23:10] <AbbyTheRat> so what, you copy/pasted config every time?
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[23:11] <[Saint]> The odds of all setups being identical is immensely low.
[23:11] <AbbyTheRat> I agree with you, [Saint]
[23:11] <[Saint]> Making comparison practically useless.
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[23:12] <AbbyTheRat> either figure out what's different or forget about the other pis and debug just that one
[23:14] <local> AbbyTheRat: no! of course not! I don't copy paste the configs, but if you cannot help anyhow, why do you even reply? this is not what a user expect to get as a helping reply.
[23:14] <[Saint]> There are people here with all ranges of skill.
[23:14] <[Saint]> Either accept that, or move on.
[23:15] <[Saint]> Don;t insult someone because they don;t know any more than you do.
[23:15] <local> [Saint]: just scroll up and look at the answers AbbyTheRat is giving, then you'll understand everything
[23:15] <AbbyTheRat> I might not know exactly what's wrong, but I can at least help you to help yourself.
[23:15] <[Saint]> I have watched the entire situation. You're being absolutely unreasonable.
[23:16] <AbbyTheRat> [Saint]: what was it? 99% of the errors is between the keyboard and the chair?
[23:16] <[Saint]> PEBCAK :)
[23:17] * local is slappin' AbbyTheRat
[23:17] <AbbyTheRat> so best to assume that you did something wrong first and check through that, THEN you can start to assume that's a problem with the hardware. Debug through it
[23:17] <local> go get some life
[23:17] <[Saint]> Please, take the attitude elsewhere.
[23:18] <[Saint]> Be happy you got a response at all.
[23:18] <local> get off
[23:18] <[Saint]> And think how much this attitude inspires others to help you.
[23:18] <[Saint]> ie. not at all.
[23:19] <local> go get some life
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[23:19] <[Saint]> ...says the guy stuck debugging the same issue for days on end.
[23:19] <[Saint]> Can we say irony?
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[23:20] <lorenzo> [Saint], if you have a rpi to give away tell me :D
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[23:20] <AbbyTheRat> So anyway, tired of that.. moving on, [Saint], okie since you like the snowball, why not make a step motor powered music for your platform instead :P
[23:20] <local> I didn't talk of an "error" or "issue", it was just a question what the reason could be that DBUS activated freedesktop.org.xxxx you funny lifeless thing
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[23:21] <AbbyTheRat> lorenzo: damn, that's a great idea to ask. I wouldn't mind a pi, I lack even one currently :D
[23:21] <lorenzo> local, sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root is going to get rid of that problem, among with all the others
[23:21] <[Saint]> *ahem*
[23:22] <[Saint]> Lets not do that. SOmeone is bound to copy paste that.
[23:22] <lorenzo> [Saint], I omited the directory :P
[23:22] <lorenzo> but technically, it's going to get rid of the problem
[23:22] <lorenzo> can you prove the opposite? :D
[23:22] <local> lorenzo: first do a "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p1" cocksucker
[23:22] <lorenzo> ahahahaha
[23:22] <lorenzo> [Saint], so you're not giving them away? :(
[23:23] <[Saint]> lorenzo: I expect shipping to be prohibitive unless you're in my neck of the woods.
[23:23] <AbbyTheRat> [Saint]: where is your neck of the woods?
[23:23] <[Saint]> Christchurch, NZ
[23:23] <AbbyTheRat> oh, yes.. shipping would be nuts
[23:23] <lorenzo> yea
[23:24] <[Saint]> I'm given to believe the foundation has shipped units to those in dire financial stife before now.
[23:24] <AbbyTheRat> really? huh
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[23:24] <AbbyTheRat> well, I'm not in dire financial stife anymore.. just gotta recover from it now
[23:25] <AbbyTheRat> other half finally got a new job :D
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[23:25] <local> time to get a life, too IMHO. Think about it AbbyTheRat.
[23:25] <local> jobless kiddie
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[23:25] <AbbyTheRat> hmm, he left finally
[23:26] <sney> what an unpleasant person
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[23:26] <lorenzo> yeah, he still has to realise soon we'll all be dust
[23:26] <[Saint]> hahahah - yeah, that's not obvious at all.
[23:26] <[Saint]> Nice try local.
[23:26] <AbbyTheRat> I guess I won't help anyone else.. I admit when I don't know something but I at least know how to explore an issue :(
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[23:27] <lorenzo> [Saint], at least he changed his IP
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[23:28] <AbbyTheRat> we can't assume, we might just have another german user connecting from the same ISP
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[23:31] <dwarder> is there a wake on lan feature?
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> dwarder, no.
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> dwarder, but at < 4 watts it seems hardly worth it...
[23:32] <dwarder> gordonDrogon: ok i'll just turn off the usb hdd connected to it
[23:32] <lorenzo> (ot: anyone have a cisco wic-1t abandoned somewhere?)
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> dwarder, you can power down the entire USB system if needed.
[23:33] <[Saint]> dwarder: appropriate spindown times (possibly adjusted based on time of day) should solve that.
[23:33] <[Saint]> I have a system to spin down very quickly at night, and almost never during the day.
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[23:33] <[Saint]> Works for me.
[23:33] <dwarder> [Saint]: how can i configure this?
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[23:34] <[Saint]> I use cron to poke hdparm
[23:34] <[Saint]> possibly a better way.
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[23:35] <[Saint]> "hdparm -S <value> /path/to/disk"
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[23:39] <Encrypt> +1 [Saint]
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[23:40] <[Saint]> Woo!
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[23:40] <AbbyTheRat> nice one, [Saint], congrats
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[23:43] <dwarder> [Saint]: thank you
[23:43] <[Saint]> I'm not entirely convinced that there isn;t a better way to do it, but it works for me.
[23:43] <J-e-f-f-A> lorenzo - I may, if I haven't thrown out all my old cisco stuff I "accumulated" when my previous employer switched from p2p networks to mpls...
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[23:44] <[Saint]> I have a bunch of D-Link and Linksys routers that Telecom NZ threw out after Snowden clued the world in on them all being backdoor'ed.
[23:44] <J-e-f-f-A> lorenzo: PM me, and I'll try to find one... I threw out a bunch of old electronics when I lost my house though, so I may not have one anymore.
[23:45] <lorenzo> PM'd you
[23:45] * [Saint] hopes J-e-f-f-A remembers where he parked the house.
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[23:46] <[Saint]> (sorry, "lost my house" had me imagining hilarious scenarios)
[23:46] <[Saint]> "I know its round here somewhere..."
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[23:46] <AbbyTheRat> [Saint]: you're not the only one
[23:47] <J-e-f-f-A> Hehe, [Saint] - unfortunately not that kind of lost, but the 'foreclosure' type... d'oh! But I can appreciate the humor! (friggin' soon-to-be-EX wife...)
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[23:48] <J-e-f-f-A> lorenzo: - saw it. That will remind me to look. ;-)
[23:48] <lorenzo> ok
[23:48] <[Saint]> Its possibly "racist", but, why do I immediately imagine that happening in the US?
[23:48] <[Saint]> J-e-f-f-A: locale?
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[23:50] <J-e-f-f-A> Bingo! The good-ole USA.
[23:51] <J-e-f-f-A> So is it OK that I'm an American and using Raspberry Pis? ;-) lol!
[23:52] <[Saint]> Pick up the entire house and move it to Texas. Then claim castle doctorine and shoot anyone thaqt comes on your land. :)
[23:52] <plugwash> [Saint], probablly partly the language, we brits usually use the term reposessed rather than foreclosed
[23:52] <J-e-f-f-A> Hehehehe
[23:53] <AbbyTheRat> how about this for a twister, I'm a Brit, living in Canada with a soon to own a raspberry pi deaf girl
[23:53] <lorenzo> syntax again please
[23:53] <[Saint]> Right foot red.
[23:54] <J-e-f-f-A> Yeah, cars get repossessed here in the US... Houses are usually 'foreclosed on'...
[23:54] <AbbyTheRat> and I have red hair?
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[23:55] <J-e-f-f-A> Oh, is that why my PI crashes when playing the wav files? IE: Because they are of an American English accent instead of a British English accent? eek!
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[23:56] <AbbyTheRat> XD!
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[23:57] <shiftplusone> 'British English'... so... just 'English' then? >_<
[23:58] <J-e-f-f-A> Hehehe.
[23:58] <[Saint]> "proper English"
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[23:58] <[Saint]> Well, really, /proper/ English is En-NZ. Says I.
[23:58] <[Saint]> Being lord of all 'tis right and holy, and all.
[23:58] <[Saint]> (...I just am. Deal with it)
[23:59] <shiftplusone> I would love for NZ English to be the norm
[23:59] <shiftplusone> the world would be a lot more hilarious then.

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