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IRC Log for 2014-03-13

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[0:20] <tonsofpcs> any suggestions on the best way in python to create a rolling average? Like, I want to average the last 10 inputs and keep getting inputs... can I shift the location of entries in a matrix/array like it's a buffer? do I need to make two stacks and do stack manipulation? can I peek and poke? Should I just have an iterative counter that resets to 0 if it is 10 and sum (0-9)?
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[0:41] <tonsofpcs> also, what's the best way to dynamically control rates of actions? I'm thinking something like if (iterator % action_rate)==0: do something inside a loop that delays 100ms between iterations but I imagine this would cause iterator overflow relatively quickly. I want to avoid resetting at a defined interval causing the possibility of two actions in a row or an extra full period between actions. RTC not required - if 100ms is really 1
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[1:06] <shiftplusone> tonsofpcs, when I needed a moving average I used the one with exponential decay.
[1:06] <shiftplusone> it's a fairly simple formula, and you can adjust how far the 'memory' goes, but you only store the current and previous values.
[1:06] <shiftplusone> sec, I'll find it.
[1:08] <shiftplusone> http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/7/6/176ee32b48f923a05d65a8329cdb9655.png
[1:08] <shiftplusone> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_average#Exponential_moving_average
[1:09] <shiftplusone> light on memory and flexible.
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[1:12] <tonsofpcs> shiftplusone: I contemplated that but I think a simple moving average is more appropriate for my situation (at least, for the time being - future 'versions' will have multiple different 'average' types to allow for smart hysteresis). (I'm making a thermostat)
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[1:14] <shiftplusone> okay =(
[1:14] <tonsofpcs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7082166/
[1:14] <tonsofpcs> this is what I'm thinking
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[1:16] <tonsofpcs> shiftplusone: also, your name is oddly relevant ;)
[1:16] <shiftplusone> heh
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[1:34] <Gadgetoid> znc 1.2 now running on Pi with init scripts
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[2:12] <enviousnoob> Anyone have experience with bill acceptors and raspberry pi?
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[2:13] <tonsofpcs> we've got one at our makerspace that someone is working on but I don't think there's anything functional yet
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[2:13] <tonsofpcs> iirc, they talk I2C or similar
[2:16] <enviousnoob> tonsofpcs I purchased an MEI AE2600 which has a pulse output, unfortunately it is constantly pulsing and the GPIO reflects that.
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[2:23] <tonsofpcs> spec sheet says it handles: "MEI Serial Protocol and MDB" "Multiple Pulse - Vending" and "Multiple Pulse - Gaming"
[2:24] <tonsofpcs> there's also apparently a "rs232 external interface box' available which I'm guessing is just a level shifter like most 232/422(or485) adapters.
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[2:27] <tonsofpcs> http://executive-protocol.narod.ru/10102-000304001-PS.pdf is the MEI protocol spec apparently (google)
[2:27] <tonsofpcs> http://www.vending.org/technical/MDB_3.0.pdf is MDB v3.0
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[2:28] <tonsofpcs> there's also a link on vending.org (under technology) for MDB v4.2
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[2:30] <dragonfly> ok, so I haven't done much playing with the pi (yet) but am just starting to experiment. For one of my first experiments I am playing with detecting an input using the GPIO pins. I am following the tutorial here: http://learn.adafruit.com/playing-sounds-and-using-buttons-with-raspberry-pi/code
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[2:33] <dragonfly> I have made a FEW and MINOR changes to the script to make it more appealing to my learning, can be found here: pastebin.com/xqgiK8b9
[2:34] <dragonfly> however, when I run the script (with or without the connection to the GPIO pin) it just starts going like repeated button presses
[2:34] <shiftplusone> dragonfly, sounds about right.
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[2:35] <dragonfly> I'm thinking that the false on the "if" statement should say true, but i'm also trying to follow the tutorial :S
[2:36] <shiftplusone> dragonfly, you'd not counting the number of times the button was pressed, you're simply reading the pin every 100ms and printing that message if it's low.
[2:36] <shiftplusone> whether you want true of false in there will depend on how you have the button wired up.
[2:36] <dragonfly> oh, the other thing....if I have the button pressed (ok, i'm not actually pressing a button, but close enough for the sake of conversation) and hold it pressed when i start the script and the entire time it's running, I get the same result
[2:36] <shiftplusone> how is it wires?
[2:36] <shiftplusone> *wired
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[2:37] <shiftplusone> try running the script with the gpio pin connected to ground and then try again with it connected to 3.3v (be careful not to short anything)
[2:38] <dragonfly> electrically its like this: http://imgur.com/FqnNB except I'm using 25 for the ground instead of 6 and instead of having a button i have two bare wires....it's all on a breadboard
[2:38] <shiftplusone> also note that if it's not connected to anything, it's just picking up interference, so it has to be either one of the other.
[2:38] <swiss> it's really weird for me to code on the pi with gpio and having thing in loops
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[2:39] <swiss> and not having interrupts
[2:39] <shiftplusone> swiss, it's fine for learning.
[2:39] <swiss> yeah
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[2:39] <swiss> not saying it's wrong. Just really weird for me
[2:39] <dragonfly> swiss, i agree, it's kinda annoying to have to keep using ctrl+c to stop it
[2:39] <swiss> dragonfly: that's not what i mean by interrupts
[2:40] <swiss> so like button input... I feel like I'll miss inputs because it's not at that point in the loop, and I can't set a interrupt register afaik
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[2:40] <shiftplusone> dragonfly, the circuit looks okay. ( assuming you haven't mis-wired anything). In that case, when the button is pressed,, the pin will see 3.3v (high, which is true)
[2:40] <shiftplusone> and it is normally false
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[2:41] <dragonfly> ok, just double checked the wiring
[2:41] <shiftplusone> (so yeah, you'll want to change that line so that it says true)
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[2:42] <shiftplusone> why are you not using 'print'?
[2:42] <swiss> very strange going from an stm32f0 to a rpi for input stuff
[2:42] <shiftplusone> os.system('echo ...') is a bit silly
[2:43] <shiftplusone> swiss, why's that?
[2:43] <swiss> shiftplusone: just going from low level pin settings to abstracted python pin settings
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[2:43] <swiss> like, rather than initializing the pin, setting it active high, setting the interrupt register, creating a function.... I do a couple python commands and check it in a loop
[2:44] <shiftplusone> swiss, doesn't it come with a library that abstracts thing to an extent?
[2:44] <dragonfly> shiftplusone, i'm not using print b/c the original script had the os.system bit and i just changed it from running the mp3 player to outputting text.....
[2:44] <shiftplusone> at the very least, you don't have to fiddle with registers directly on the stm32f... boards.
[2:44] <swiss> you mean the stm32f0? Yes, but I still am doing live debugging of the registers when i'm wondering if my code works
[2:45] <swiss> you do and you don't. the f0 was the first time I did embedded programming, so I had to fiddle with them a bit to understand what was happening
[2:45] <shiftplusone> swiss, you can do the same sort of thing on the pi, it's just not how it's introduced to beginners, I suppose.
[2:45] <shiftplusone> but yeah, even if you use C, you'd still use some abstraction layer like wiringpi.
[2:46] <swiss> right... and i don't set the interrupts and stuff the same way, or have things writing to a buffer in a interrupt function while a main loop is running
[2:46] <swiss> (talking about serial communication right now)
[2:47] <swiss> it's a lot of the move to python from C that makes it weird for me. I know I can do it in C on the pi, but it seems like python has much better support
[2:47] <dragonfly> ok, so changing line 14 to if...True makes a difference, now it doesn't do anything....even when I push the button
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[2:48] <shiftplusone> dragonfly, without anything fancy, connect the pin straight to ground, and then straight to 3.3v, see if anything happens.
[2:48] <swiss> dragonfly: just make a second program that initializes the pin and does "print GPIO.input(24)" and stuff
[2:48] <swiss> in a while true loop
[2:48] <swiss> and look at what it says
[2:49] <swiss> shiftplusone: rpi says "True" when high or low?
[2:49] <swiss> he has it high when the button is not pressed, low when the button is pressed
[2:49] <shiftplusone> swiss, I actually have no idea, and I assume that it's true when it's high.
[2:49] <dragonfly> touching it straight to 3.3 caused pi to reboot :)
[2:50] <swiss> shiftplusone: so his False is correct
[2:50] <shiftplusone> dragonfly, then you have something horribly miswired
[2:50] <shiftplusone> which physical pin is it connected to?
[2:50] <swiss> shiftplusone: his resistor is between 3.3V and the input
[2:50] <dragonfly> 11
[2:50] <shiftplusone> swiss referring to this http://imgur.com/FqnNB ?
[2:50] <ryt0l> if I plan on using the pi as a webserver, and opening it up to traffic from outside, what should I do security wise
[2:50] <swiss> shiftplusone: no, http://learn.adafruit.com/playing-sounds-and-using-buttons-with-raspberry-pi/bread-board-setup-for-input-buttons
[2:50] <shiftplusone> swiss, doh, you're right.
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[2:51] <swiss> but essentially the same thing
[2:51] <shiftplusone> swiss yeah, it's normally 'true'
[2:51] <swiss> ryt0l: the same thing you'd do on every other web server?
[2:51] <swiss> it's not pi specific
[2:51] <ryt0l> if I knew what to do I wouldn't ask
[2:51] <swiss> ryt0l: i'm just helping you with your google terms
[2:52] <ryt0l> k
[2:52] <ryt0l> thx
[2:52] <dragonfly> oh, wait...i think i found the problem...
[2:52] <swiss> it's way too much for an irc explanation
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[2:52] <swiss> ryt0l: just look up "secure LAMP stack" or "secure apache" or whatever you're using as a web server
[2:53] <shiftplusone> dragonfly, the pin is right. 11 = GPIO 17. Hmm =/
[2:53] <shiftplusone> there's just no way it should reset if it's in input mode (which according to your code, it is)
[2:53] <swiss> dragonfly: did you hook it to 3.3v directly, then press the button?
[2:54] <swiss> that'd reset your pi, as you just shorted 3.3V to ground with no resistor
[2:54] <dragonfly> yeah, but I really need my cobbler to get here....
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[2:54] <dragonfly> i'm currently using an old ribbon cable from a hd or floppy disk
[2:54] <swiss> doing this without a cobbler.... you might have a bad time
[2:54] <dragonfly> i know i counted the damn holes 3 times, but somehow I had it in 9 instead of 11
[2:54] <shiftplusone> dragonfly, oh, I said to connect the pin to 3.3v directly, without anything else. Anyway, I'll shut up. Swiss has this covered.
[2:55] <swiss> shiftplusone: you know what you're talking about, just having a few bad assumptions :)
[2:55] <swiss> dragonfly: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/06/simple-guide-to-the-rpi-gpio-header-and-pins/ print this out, stick it over your pins
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[2:55] <swiss> connect directly to your pins if you have the right kinds of jumper cables
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[2:55] <shiftplusone> swiss, aside from a brain-derp when reading the schematic, what bad assumptions? D=
[2:56] <dragonfly> thanks for the help though guys i couldn't have solved it without you :)....yeah don't have the right kinds of jumpers else I would consider that
[2:56] <swiss> shiftplusone: assuming that he's got a resistor between that and ground, stuff like that :)
[2:56] <swiss> dragonfly: i'd advise picking some up from amazon... always worth it
[2:57] <swiss> shiftplusone: i work with beginning computer engineering majors at school sometimes... i've started to figure out how many things that are "obvious" to me at this point, some people just never learned
[2:58] <swiss> like one guy in class kept taking forever to test whether a point was high or low using a multimeter, trying to touch the pins he cared about (even though he had a breadboard)
[2:58] <swiss> i just took one of his spare LEDs, hooked it between ground and a jumper wire and was like "Just poke with this. If the light is on, high, if not, low, if it glows a tiny bit but isn't all the way on, floating"
[2:59] <shiftplusone> I find these handy when connecting stuff to the pi. http://dx.com/p/male-to-female-dupont-breadboard-jumper-wires-for-arduino-40-piece-pack-20cm-length-146935
[2:59] <shiftplusone> be carefulw itht he cobbler by the way, I've seen many people here connect it upside down and short things.
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[2:59] <swiss> seemed like a easy solution to me (who needs to do this stuff constantly when checking logic circuits) but people just haven't been exposed to things
[3:00] <swiss> really? Connect what part upside down?
[3:00] <swiss> oh, prob the cable on the pi side
[3:00] <shiftplusone> yeah, that end
[3:00] <swiss> cause on the cobbler side it only has one way it can connect
[3:00] <[Saint]> Yeah, in hindsight, it would've been really nice for them to include some form of graphic that indicated the intended direction.
[3:00] <swiss> i just followed the side with the 5V and was like "this end up!"
[3:00] <swiss> hooked it up, put the case on, never unplugged it from the pi
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[3:01] <zgjonbalaj> anyone successfully run kali on raspberry
[3:01] <zgjonbalaj> having problems with it
[3:01] <zgjonbalaj> it gets stuck on red light tried everything
[3:01] <[Saint]> Putting it on upside down isn't an irrecoverable nightmare, it just means you need to do a little bit of additional thinking during adding connections.
[3:02] <shiftplusone> zgjonbalaj, is that only with kali or have you tried raspbian and found that it works fine?
[3:02] <shiftplusone> (on the same card)
[3:02] <[Saint]> zgjonbalaj: that equates to "nothing to boot here"
[3:02] <zgjonbalaj> shiftplusone, same card
[3:02] <swiss> http://imgur.com/a/uvfsd this was my last experiment with the pi. Checking if I could have it flip the reset switch every time a line went high
[3:02] <zgjonbalaj> all others work
[3:02] <zgjonbalaj> ive tried dd the image
[3:02] <shiftplusone> zgjonbalaj, how are you installing it?
[3:02] <zgjonbalaj> using win32 imager
[3:02] <zgjonbalaj> everything
[3:03] <swiss> zgjonbalaj: is it a pi specific kali image?
[3:03] <zgjonbalaj> yes its the armel pi image
[3:03] <shiftplusone> zgjonbalaj, I don't know about the image, but I can say that bootstrapping kali works just fine.
[3:03] <[Saint]> ^this
[3:03] <shiftplusone> swiss, hey, same scope as mine =D
[3:03] <swiss> shiftplusone: its such a nice cheap scope
[3:03] <swiss> you softmod yours?
[3:03] <zgjonbalaj> not familiar
[3:04] <shiftplusone> swiss, yup =)
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[3:04] <shiftplusone> 100MHz
[3:04] <swiss> i haven't to mine yet cause i haven't had a reason to... but i plan to
[3:04] <swiss> also, i'm looking into a way to bolt it to that table
[3:04] <shiftplusone> had it for long?
[3:04] <swiss> gonna bold that and the solder station to the table
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[3:04] <[Saint]> zgjonbalaj: some form of PEBCAK is going on here.
[3:04] <swiss> i used my father's (which was softmodded) while i lived with him, i've only had this one for like 2 years
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[3:05] <[Saint]> I just downloaded the image, dd'd it, and...boots fine.
[3:05] <[Saint]> zgjonbalaj: ^
[3:05] <shiftplusone> swiss, any problem with the knobs cracking?
[3:05] <swiss> shiftplusone: none
[3:05] * [Saint] resists
[3:05] <shiftplusone> [Saint], you must D=
[3:05] <zgjonbalaj> hmm how did you load the image onto the sdcard
[3:06] <shiftplusone> swiss, ah, lucky. I had to get mine replaced >.>
[3:06] <[Saint]> dd if=/path/to/image of=/path/to/sdcard/mountpoint
[3:06] <zgjonbalaj> thats exactly what i did
[3:06] <zgjonbalaj> which image did you load
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[3:06] <zgjonbalaj> i feel like uncompressing the xz file could be the cuplrit
[3:06] <[Saint]> http://cdimage.kali.org/kali-latest/armhf/kali-linux-1.0.6-armhf.img.xz
[3:07] <zgjonbalaj> this is what i get after dd 6462373888 bytes (6.5 GB) copied, 515.533 s, 12.5 MB/s
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[3:07] <zgjonbalaj> your using the hf?
[3:07] <[Saint]> Yes.
[3:07] <zgjonbalaj> how about from win any luck with the win32disk imager
[3:08] <zgjonbalaj> you wouldnt happen to have the sha1 of the image file decompressed would you?
[3:08] <[Saint]> I'm all for supporting users in need, but installing a Windows based OS specifically for this is asking a bit much.
[3:08] <[Saint]> Sorry.
[3:08] <zgjonbalaj> i wouldnt ask that
[3:09] <zgjonbalaj> thats one of two things i wont ask lol
[3:09] <zgjonbalaj> whats ur sha1 on that hf image decompressed im wondering if this is a corrupted file i downloaded both the el and hf
[3:10] <[Saint]> For the second one: "about 6.5"" ;)
[3:10] <shiftplusone> zgjonbalaj, when you write the image, remove the card, insert it back... what does the partition table look like and what files are present on the first partition?
[3:10] <shiftplusone> oh wait, ignore that
[3:10] <shiftplusone> hard to tell with windows
[3:10] <zgjonbalaj> ill take a look at that now writing the hf image now
[3:11] <shiftplusone> but do you see a small fat32 partition show up?
[3:11] <shiftplusone> you should see at least bootcode.bin, start.elf and kernel.img. These should be visible from windows.
[3:12] <zgjonbalaj> just formatted it, do both el and hf work on this?
[3:13] <shiftplusone> Last time I checked ( a while back) kali on the pi had to be armel.
[3:13] <zgjonbalaj> i actually just got the new card today a scandisk ultra 32gb class 10 thinking maybe that was somehow causing it but other distro worked just fine
[3:13] <shiftplusone> I think it was (is?) based on debian rather than raspbian.
[3:13] <zgjonbalaj> shiftplusone, saint said he used hf
[3:14] <shiftplusone> unless kali uses raspbian as a base for armhf or compile their own packages, I don't see how that would work
[3:14] <zgjonbalaj> i had el on it and wont work i heard the same thing but im willing to try both now
[3:14] <shiftplusone> [Saint], explain thyself =S
[3:15] <dragonfly> well, now I just need to brush up on my python!
[3:15] <dragonfly> thanks again for the help swiss and shiftplusone
[3:15] <[Saint]> I'm fairly sure it was the HF image I just pulled...gah. Lets try this again and not throw everything out immediately.
[3:15] <shiftplusone> dragonfly, was the problem that you had it connected to the wrong pin?
[3:15] <dragonfly> yep
[3:15] <shiftplusone> dragonfly, after triple checking the wiring? =P
[3:16] <dragonfly> once i realized that and fixed it it worked as the tutorial said it work
[3:16] <shiftplusone> heh, as long as it's sorted.
[3:16] <dragonfly> yep, and i've even changed it a little more so it only triggers once per button press no matter how long the button is held
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[3:17] <shiftplusone> progress
[3:17] <zgjonbalaj> i dont get it using the same procedure as raspbian tried both el and hf before (still waiting on hf on new card now) and didnt work, all my eggs are on this basket right now
[3:17] <dragonfly> unfortunately i have to step away now for a bit, but then the next hurdle I think will be brushing up on my python....thanks again for all the help though
[3:17] <shiftplusone> take care
[3:18] <swiss> apparently interrupts do work http://raspi.tv/2013/how-to-use-interrupts-with-python-on-the-raspberry-pi-and-rpi-gpio-part-3
[3:18] <shiftplusone> yeah, they definitely do.
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[3:20] <[Saint]> Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww dagfrickennabbit.
[3:20] <[Saint]> Apparently, I just blew up my sdcard.
[3:21] * [Saint] goes hunting for wild sdcards
[3:21] <shiftplusone> zgjonbalaj, I think you owe the man an sd card =P
[3:21] <zgjonbalaj> [Saint], what happened lol?
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[3:22] <zgjonbalaj> shiftplusone, i need to buy a box of em
[3:22] <[Saint]> dd stopped ~1/3 of the way through, after some hesitation I just stopped the process and ejected the card to try again, and now the host can't see it at all.
[3:22] <zgjonbalaj> just paid $30 for one right now if i were to get them in quantity might get a discount
[3:23] <shiftplusone> hopefuly the reader isn't dead
[3:23] <zgjonbalaj> [Saint], oh god usb reader atleast?
[3:23] <shiftplusone> zgjonbalaj, you sir, are overpaying for sd cards O_o
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[3:24] <zgjonbalaj> shiftplusone, that was without shipping how much are you getting them for
[3:24] <shiftplusone> A class 4 8GB card is just fine for the pi.
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[3:24] <[Saint]> Well...not necessarily. That's a rather nice price for a top-tier class 10.
[3:24] <shiftplusone> No idea, I haven't had to buy a card in ages.
[3:24] <tonsofpcs> so I want to have multiple subroutines that occur every /n/ time where /n/ is a multiple of 100ms defined by a variable (but is different for each subroutine)... thoughts on how to do this?
[3:24] <zgjonbalaj> well its more or less the write speed i hate on the laptop
[3:25] <[Saint]> That's the only place it makes a difference.
[3:25] <zgjonbalaj> [Saint], i thought so too others were around $40-50
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[3:25] <zgjonbalaj> 85% on hf right now
[3:25] <zgjonbalaj> through windows
[3:26] <[Saint]> The only place its going to make a difference is if you're regularly copying images to the card.
[3:26] <[Saint]> On the pi itself, it can't make use of much of that write speed.
[3:26] <zgjonbalaj> yeah i need like one or two of those to mess around with the rest are 4's
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[3:27] <zgjonbalaj> even so the pc only goes to 15-16 anyways
[3:27] <zgjonbalaj> still double than the 4
[3:27] <zgjonbalaj> ok here goes nothing
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[3:28] <[Saint]> OK - Well, I can't test it (due to not having a spare sdcard floating around here), but I'm reasonably confident that I wasn't insane, now.
[3:28] <zgjonbalaj> nothing,
[3:28] <zgjonbalaj> not the hf not the el
[3:28] <[Saint]> I can find numerous documents that suggest both ARMEL and ARMHF are supported by Kali.
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[3:28] <zgjonbalaj> every other image ive loaded works
[3:29] <shiftplusone> [Saint], specifically on the pi?
[3:29] <[Saint]> "Kali was also built to accommodate ARMEL and ARMHF processor support. Don’t worry too much about the difference, just focus on the ‘ARM’ bit – but if you really want to know: the ARMEL architecture is used by Debian whilst the ARMHF architecture is used by Raspbian.
[3:29] <[Saint]> Debian (therefore Kali Linux) officially supports both ARM architectures – as is evident on their download page. Think of it like this: ARMEL is designed for lower end hardware – like the Raspberry Pi."
[3:29] <shiftplusone> zgjonbalaj, is the card visible on your windows computer as a drive in 'my computer' ?
[3:29] <pksato> proper image of kali for raspberry pi?
[3:30] <[Saint]> Hmmmm, maybe I'm parsing that incorrectly.
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[3:31] <zgjonbalaj> shiftplusone, yes it is
[3:31] <shiftplusone> zgjonbalaj, what files are visible?
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[3:32] <zgjonbalaj> funny nothing shows up now shiftplusone i just saw them
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[3:32] <zgjonbalaj> here we go again
[3:33] <shiftplusone> I don't get how they only have armel and armhf images on the download page and claim to support multiple devices. I am not sure that a raspberry pi image would work on those other devices and vice versa. Is the download page missing the pi version or something?
[3:34] <zgjonbalaj> shiftplusone, thats what i went digging through after learning that el was the only support architechture
[3:34] <zgjonbalaj> supported*
[3:34] <zgjonbalaj> so i see images online of ppl with the extension of "-pi"
[3:34] <zgjonbalaj> in the tutorials
[3:34] <zgjonbalaj> but cant seem to find that one
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[3:35] <zgjonbalaj> check out the tutorial on how to install the pi image
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[3:36] <pksato> on kali site, on download menu, check custom images.
[3:36] <shiftplusone> I did
[3:36] <zgjonbalaj> dd if=kali-pi.img of=/dev/sdb bs=512k
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[3:36] <zgjonbalaj> note "kali-pi.img"
[3:36] <pksato> and, find this link http://images.offensive-security.com/kali-linux-1.0.6a-rpi.img.xz
[3:36] <zgjonbalaj> pksato, thats what ive been looking for
[3:37] <zgjonbalaj> -___-
[3:37] <zgjonbalaj> omg
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[3:37] <shiftplusone> I still don't see how to get there from the site
[3:37] <zgjonbalaj> a much more reasonable size too than the 6gb
[3:37] <zgjonbalaj> in the back of my mind i kept wondering how this image was soo large
[3:38] <shiftplusone> Ah, okay... have to read the tiny print
[3:38] <shiftplusone> and follow a link to http://www.offensive-security.com/kali-llnux-vmware-arm-image-download/
[3:38] <zgjonbalaj> http://images.offensive-security.com/
[3:39] <zgjonbalaj> i feel dumb and relieved at the same time right now
[3:39] <zgjonbalaj> thanks pksato
[3:39] <shiftplusone> considering that they went out of their way to hide the image...
[3:41] * [Saint] feels overwhelmingly stupid.
[3:41] <[Saint]> Next time, [Saint], make sure you write *the right image* to the damn sdcard.
[3:41] <zgjonbalaj> who also lost an sd card right now lol
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[3:43] <zgjonbalaj> pksato, thanks a lot quite the help there would of been on this for atleast a few more hours
[3:43] <shiftplusone> Where's your faith in the rest of us? D=
[3:43] <zgjonbalaj> shiftplusone, [Saint] would of eventually told me to leave the room
[3:43] <zgjonbalaj> hahahahah
[3:44] <zgjonbalaj> shiftplusone, [Saint] i think ur interest brought the needed help so thank you
[3:44] <pksato> kali site have a note about arm images, list few suported plataforms, but on download have only two, without any explanation about target plaraform.
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[3:44] <pksato> one of link for download on kali site,
[3:45] <zgjonbalaj> shiftplusone, two new sdcards a day of constant writing images and it has come to this lol
[3:45] <shiftplusone> heh
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[3:46] <zgjonbalaj> downloading it now, so happy to remove the 10 different copies of images i had
[3:46] <pksato> if not work. try arm image build script.
[3:47] <zgjonbalaj> https://github.com/offensive-security/kali-arm-build-scripts ?
[3:47] <[Saint]> On a totally unrelated note:
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[3:47] <pksato> yes
[3:47] <[Saint]> Dear iptables syntax inventors - up yours.
[3:47] <[Saint]> Sincerely, me.
[3:47] <zgjonbalaj> thanks will do have you been using it?
[3:48] <pksato> no.
[3:48] <shiftplusone> zgjonbalaj, interesting sentence strucute do you have you been have there.
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[3:48] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: a single comma, and it works fine.
[3:48] <shiftplusone> ah, I see it now, heh.
[3:49] <[Saint]> It puzzled me at first, I'll admit.
[3:49] <zgjonbalaj> my typing has taken a toll due to the stress this has caused
[3:49] <shiftplusone> understandable
[3:49] <[Saint]> Glargh.
[3:49] * [Saint] gives up and goes searching for per-formed iptables rules
[3:50] <[Saint]> All I want to do is rate limit ssh, and silently drop is connections are more than N per Y minutes, is that too much to ask?
[3:50] <[Saint]> *drop if
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[3:50] <trohrt> Hey everyone
[3:51] <zgjonbalaj> [Saint], id help but i could never understand those myself
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[3:51] <trohrt> Brb
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[3:52] <[Saint]> Hmmmmmmm.
[3:52] <[Saint]> I can't decide what sucks less.
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[3:52] <[Saint]> Port forwarding, or UPnP.
[3:52] <[Saint]> Both have issues.
[3:54] <[Saint]> Forwarding relies on the application(s) on the other end of the open port not being vulnerable to abuse or creating inventive rules for allowed connections, whereas UPnP "Just Works" but comes with its own host of exploitable issues.
[3:54] <swiss> also, if you have a shit router like the one at my place, your port forwards will still suck ass
[3:55] <swiss> [Saint]: try "tc"
[3:55] <swiss> that might help you with your rate limiting
[3:55] <swiss> makes iptables seem like a breeze too
[3:56] <zgjonbalaj> swiss, i recommend the atrix boards and pfsense for a router, simply amazing
[3:57] <swiss> I generally go with cisco or juniper gear
[3:57] <swiss> but the home router isn't mine, it's a housemate's
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[3:57] <swiss> and he's all territorial over it cause he likes to think he knows what he's doing
[3:58] <swiss> and my caring about the port forward has not exceeded my interest in having that debate with him
[3:58] <zgjonbalaj> yea i like cisco never heard of juniper though
[3:58] <swiss> juniper is the other leader in the market
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[4:00] <zgjonbalaj> ill check em out
[4:00] <zgjonbalaj> shiftplusone, its working!
[4:01] <zgjonbalaj> root
[4:01] <zgjonbalaj> wrong keyboard sorry
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[5:02] <brian2> So I'm trying to run a ir led off of the gpio 18 pin on the raspberry pi and am not entirely sure I understand how to do it. I'm using wiringpi2. Basically I need to send 'packets' of a header and 13 bits in pulses at a specific frequency. Does anyone know if there is a tutorial that shows something like this?
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[5:06] <brian2> exit
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[5:21] <MrCartel> Is anyone around?
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[5:27] <[Saint]> MrCartel: Its best to just ask your question directly.
[5:27] <MrCartel> Can anyone point me to a pwm tutorial for something like an ir led?
[5:28] <[Saint]> Heh, timing.
[5:28] <MrCartel> Saint, lol
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[5:29] <MrCartel> Basically I dont fully understand how the pwm would work if I pulse during the duty cycle. (and I'm not sure that even makes sense itself :( )
[5:29] <[Saint]> "a PWM tutorial" doesn't mean a whole lot, unfortunately.
[5:29] <[Saint]> Using which language? This helps immensely.
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[5:30] <MrCartel> Sorry I'm using the wiringpi2 python module at the moment.
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[5:32] <[Saint]> Using softpwm?
[5:33] <MrCartel> I'm using the gpio 18 which I have heard was a hardware pin. (I just got the rpi 2 days ago, so I may be incorrect on that)
[5:33] <[Saint]> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/software-pwm-library/ may be worth a read
[5:33] <MrCartel> I will check that out. Thanks
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[5:49] <swiss> MrCartel: i heard only one pin actually works for pwm
[5:49] <swiss> but i made it work on multiple, but it jacked up my audio
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[5:50] <[Saint]> My understanding was that (via SoftPWM) all of the "regular" pins are available to be used.
[5:50] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon is the man to talk to here, but I rather suspect he is asleep.
[5:51] <swiss> https://sites.google.com/site/semilleroadt/raspberry-pi-tutorials/gpio
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[5:51] <swiss> maybe they fixed that
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[5:53] * [Saint] clicks, sees "sudo su", then immediately closes the page
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[6:14] <[Saint]> Heh.
[6:14] <[Saint]> Downside of Ubuntu+1
[6:14] <[Saint]> ...7GB of kernel images and headers.
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[10:04] <zaccanasta> hi guys, I have this problem, main window of my qt4 application is too large and I can't resize it, minimum size is set to 0, this happens with xfce in pidora
[10:05] <SirLagz> alt-drag to move the window
[10:05] <SirLagz> er
[10:05] <SirLagz> never mind me. misread
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[10:06] <zaccanasta> it seems minimum size is setted something more than 1024px
[10:07] <zaccanasta> but that's not true
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[10:17] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], yea, it should be sudo -i
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[10:31] <swiss> depends on your goal
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[10:38] <pjhartz64> somehow freenode seems to drop messages again :/
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[10:39] <Xark> Freenode? Unpossible! :)
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[10:54] <pjhartz64> is it possible to do anything else with weston than opening up a terminal window? i wish i hands enough programming skills to make use of the released broadcom videocore stuff :)
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[10:55] <pjhartz64> *had
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[11:06] <zaccanasta> any known problem with xfce in raspberry pi?
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> anyone here had emails from the raspberrypi.org forums with a link to actionaid.org ?
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[13:40] <aaa801> nope
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[13:55] <dblessing> has anyone here seen raspberry pi's used in a high school or college classroom?
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[14:02] <pjhartz64> actually i think most classrooms lack in HDMI or Composite-capable Hardware. I have seen VGA devices way more often in schools. well but that was like 10 years ago. ;)
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[14:10] <tig|> pjhartz64: HDMI to VGA adaptors are cheap now, yes it is another thing to buy but it isn't a technical showstopper
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[14:14] <pjhartz64> tig|: sure it isnt nowdays. i personally avoided hdmi in my home use over the last years, but for other reasons
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[14:16] <pjhartz64> i just cant become friend with the idea of an DRM-protected interface between hardware and visual output ;)
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[14:22] <sinni800> pjhartz64: you still mostly see vga today, even
[14:22] <sinni800> with beamers and stuff
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[14:29] <pjhartz64> i bought cheap LED Beamer like 2 years ago. it has a crappy builtin media player being a real diva when it comes common to file Formats used today. but it has a nice oldschool compisite-in. thats why i got my pi in first place.
[14:30] <pjhartz64> *comes to
[14:31] <pjhartz64> 24watt computarium ftw :D
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[15:45] <dividuum> Any idea what's going on here: my video decoding to opengl textures are flipped horizontally since the latest firmware version: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=70836
[15:45] <dividuum> it's also visible in the hello_video example. So it's easy to reproduce
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[15:53] <limitz-ARSNL> does anyone know of an IRC channel for xbee devices?
[15:53] <limitz-ARSNL> i have tried #xbee, and #digi to no avail
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[15:56] <shiftplusone> limitz-ARSNL, I think such a thing would be rather silly. Try more general channels, like ##electronics.
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[16:05] <limitz-ARSNL> tried electronics, but cant see why that would be silly. xbee has a quite a complex family of products and people use them for all sorts of different projects. an irc channel makes perfect sense to me
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[16:07] <shiftplusone> limitz-ARSNL, yeah, but there would be 10 people there and they would be afk. There are lots of fairly big and widely used projects, where the IRC channel is absolutely useless. I think an xbee room would fall in that category (unfortunately).
[16:08] <limitz-ARSNL> unfortunate for me too
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[16:08] <limitz-ARSNL> the documentation for xbee is not the best, and plenty of people have said their capabilities go beyond their dcoumentation
[16:08] <limitz-ARSNL> all i need is an xbee product that can easily communicate via I2C w/o resorting to bit banging
[16:09] <limitz-ARSNL> i think i have 2 chips that can do that, but would love verification before pulling the trigger
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[16:42] <exothermc> is there a good way to shrink the partition back down after it has been expanded? I have it expanded to a 32GB card and I want to shrink it to 2GB to make a backup of the image that I have configured.
[16:43] <shiftplusone> exothermc, yeah, resize2fs has that option.
[16:43] <exothermc> shiftplusone: you can do that on the root mounted partition?
[16:43] <shiftplusone> I don't think it resizes the partition table though, so you'll need to do that yourself
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[16:44] <shiftplusone> yeah
[16:44] <zaccanasta> hi all, I have this strange problem with my qt4 app in xfce, I can't resize main window and subwindows
[16:44] <zaccanasta> there are no constrains about minimum and maximum size
[16:44] <shiftplusone> you can find some hints here https://github.com/asb/spindle/blob/master/shrink_image but note that the script doesn't work for everyone and it's meant to be used with a large backup image, rather than before making the backup.
[16:46] <shiftplusone> exothermc, looking over the script, it is as I thought. resize2fs with the -M option, then resize the partition table accordingly.
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[16:47] <exothermc> shiftplusone: ok thanks
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[16:47] <shiftplusone> np
[16:48] <shiftplusone> (but note that there are lots of other ways to go about it)
[16:48] <shiftplusone> (partclone, for example)
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[16:51] <zaccanasta> it seems this only happens in pidora and xfce, in fedora 20 with kde app works just fine
[16:53] <exothermc> shiftplusone: so if I'm using standard raspberrian do I use 'rootfs' or '/dev/mmcblk0p2'
[16:53] <nid0> I hope you're not about to try this on an online filesystem
[16:54] <exothermc> nid0: That is what I'm trying to do.
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[16:54] <nid0> you can't
[16:54] <shiftplusone> nid0, why not?
[16:54] <exothermc> I didn't think I could, but....
[16:54] <nid0> you can grow online filesystems happily, but shrinking them doesnt work
[16:55] <nid0> resize2fs will 1) hopefully prevent it or 2) break your system if it doesnt
[16:55] <shiftplusone> "As of this writing, the Linux 2.6 kernel supports on-line resize
[16:55] <shiftplusone> for filesystems mounted using ext3 and ext4."
[16:55] <shiftplusone> so it can't shrink, ey? =/
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[16:56] <shiftplusone> would expect that to be in the manfile (looking over it now)
[16:56] <Peasant65> Can someone help me check if this is the right ram for im my laptop ?...
[16:58] <shiftplusone> ah, found a message from ext4 maintainer saying on-line shrinking is not supported. Apologies.
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[16:58] <Peasant65> I think i got i tall right but idk for sure... and i'd hate to end up buying a wrong stick of ram
[16:58] <Peasant65> *it all
[16:59] <atouk> www.crucial.com use their tool
[16:59] <exothermc> shiftplusone: ok so I'll pull it off the card and see about resizing it after that I guess.
[16:59] <Peasant65> well... it won't run for some reason srry
[16:59] <atouk> beeps?
[16:59] <Peasant65> was able to rum SIW though
[16:59] <Peasant65> http://i.imgur.com/6NEavN1.png
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[17:01] <Peasant65> the things i noted were ddr2 pc2-6400 and CL 6.0
[17:01] <Peasant65> am i safe then ?
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[17:01] <Peasant65> and ofc thet it's notebook ra SODIMM
[17:02] <Peasant65> *ram
[17:02] <Peasant65> *that Geez, what's up with my typing skills ? lol
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[17:13] <vadmeste> Hello everybody. I have a read-only SDCard in which I previously installed an application but which hangs on a new RPI but gets automatically fixed after few RPI boots.. Could that be a hardware problem with the RPI design ?
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[17:19] <pjhartz64> U can use a read only card to boot a pi? how should that work?
[17:20] <pjhartz64> thats impossible
[17:20] <shiftplusone> which part is impossible?
[17:20] <IT_Sean> No it isn't
[17:20] <IT_Sean> You just mount the card as read only
[17:20] <shiftplusone> depends on what 'read only' means in this case.
[17:21] <shiftplusone> is the lock switch set to read only? is it mounted read only? has it been locked using something like this? http://hackaday.com/2014/01/18/the-tiniest-sd-card-locker/
[17:21] <pjhartz64> well i think about the kind of read-only when pulling the switch on the card
[17:22] <shiftplusone> that switch doesn't do anything in the pi though
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[17:22] <IT_Sean> The Pi cannot read that switch
[17:22] <IT_Sean> The SD card slot on the Pi lacks the sensor
[17:23] <shiftplusone> I think it can, it just doesn't.
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[17:23] <shiftplusone> but I don't remember for sure
[17:23] <IT_Sean> Um, no... look at it. The lock tab is outside the slot!
[17:23] <shiftplusone> >.>
[17:23] <IT_Sean> that lock tab, on an SD card works like the lock tab on a floppy. it is not in any way electrically connected to the cards innards
[17:23] <pjhartz64> but booting read only in general seems impossible to me. Not just on the pi. well except loading the whole System in RAM
[17:23] <shiftplusone> shh
[17:23] <shiftplusone> (yeah, I derped, I was thinking of the card detect switch)
[17:24] <IT_Sean> yes, you derp'd
[17:24] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, linux can run just fine with a read only FS.
[17:24] <IT_Sean> pjhartz64: I dunno why you think it's impossible... It would be no different than booting your desktop off of a CD.
[17:24] <shiftplusone> it's just a matter of making it work and making it usable
[17:25] <shiftplusone> for example, you could have an overlay FS in RAM, or you could just not write at all (apart from a few tmpfs mount points).
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[17:28] <vadmeste> pjhartz64: that's possible.. in fact, a linux distro is quite ready for that but you have to mount some tmpfs
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[17:34] <pjhartz64> yeah this works for livesystems but they need a lot of RAM. did that on Desktop PC with qemu to fast install Windows. but the pi has very limited RAM. did Not know it can rund raspian via tempfs
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[17:34] <pjhartz64> run
[17:34] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, the whole thing doesn't have to run from tmpfs.
[17:34] <nid0> they don't need a lot of ram at all
[17:34] <nid0> have you never heard of livecd's?
[17:34] <shiftplusone> you just need a tiny bit of ram for temporary files.
[17:35] <pjhartz64> i use livecds to speed up Windows installations.
[17:36] <pjhartz64> putting the Image into RAM and installing via qemu.
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[17:37] <pjhartz64> have to go, gf getting mad waiting with a movie. See ya later :)
[17:38] <shiftplusone> have fun
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[17:38] <rahul_> Hii all
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[17:40] <shiftplusone> hi
[17:40] <vadmeste> so, what do you think ? I have some past experiences with some hardware which doesn't work perfectly because it is just new new, is that just an illusion or it could be true ? XD
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[17:41] <shiftplusone> vadmeste, the question wasn't very clear (to me, at least)
[17:42] <vadmeste> thanks shiftplusone, I will reformulate my question
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[17:46] <vadmeste> I installed an application in a sdcard and switched it read-only. When I test my application on many RPIs, I notice that the application hangs on some RPIs. However, if I wait several hours and I reboot the RPI, the bug disappears definitely and never comes back.. it is very strange for me so I wondered if it is just a hardware bug..
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[17:46] <shiftplusone> and by read only you're talking about the switch that does nothing?
[17:47] <IT_Sean> vadmeste: HOW are you making the SD card read-only.
[17:47] <IT_Sean> ?
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[17:47] <shiftplusone> (not that I think it's actually relevant to the question, but I am curious)
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[17:48] <shiftplusone> vadmeste, does just the application hang or does the whole pi hang?
[17:48] <vadmeste> shiftplusone, IT_Sean : rootfs is ro in fstab, I also switch that tiny slider of the sdcard
[17:48] <vadmeste> shiftplusone: just the app
[17:48] <shiftplusone> Then I don't think the card or the pi's hardware can have anything to do with it.
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[17:49] <shiftplusone> it is certainly possible that a bad power supply may (will) cause stability issues and that some cards might be problematic, but neither of those sounds like the problem here.
[17:49] <IT_Sean> vadmeste: the slider on the SD card does _nothing_
[17:49] <IT_Sean> The raspi is incapable of reading the state of the lock slider.
[17:50] <vadmeste> IT_Sean: okay thanks
[17:50] <vadmeste> never heard about that before ^^
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[17:53] <vadmeste> shiftplusone: well I guess that maybe the application is not well designed but there is something which should be changed between the first and the next boots
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[17:58] <vadmeste> the thing that is really wondering me is that the bug is always there but if it disappers, it will never comes back
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[17:59] <shiftplusone> I think the first thing to do is to figure out how and why it hangs.
[18:00] <shiftplusone> which isn't something anyone here can do.
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[18:00] <vadmeste> well, it is the kind of bug which disappears when I try to debug XD lool
[18:03] <vadmeste> with strace, I noticed that it is hanging when it executes epoll_wait.... Howerver, stracing the app when it is working perfectly never shows an epoll_wait with infinite timeout
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[18:32] <alwaysontherun-> I recently bought a rasclock for my pi and I am wondering if it is save to plug/unplug the thing while my pi running.. will this do any damage or is it harmless?
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[18:36] <shiftplusone> mostly harmless
[18:36] <IT_Sean> The only harm would be if you accidentally shorted pins during the pug/unplug operation
[18:37] <shiftplusone> the pug operation? D=
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[18:37] <IT_Sean> *plug
[18:38] <shiftplusone> oh =(
[18:38] <IT_Sean> t'was a typo you... um... you typo spotting... person.
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[18:38] <alwaysontherun-> ha.. i won't try to pug it, then
[18:38] <kivutar> who develops the New Out Of Box Software?
[18:38] <IT_Sean> Aye. Don't pug it
[18:38] <shiftplusone> kivutar, which individuals specifically?
[18:38] <alwaysontherun-> IT_Sean: thanks
[18:38] * IT_Sean nods
[18:39] <kivutar> shiftplusone, well, we develop a distro, and we would like to distribute it through NOOBS, who should I talk to?
[18:40] <shiftplusone> kivutar, there's nothing currently stopping you from doing so. Getting it on the official raspberrypi.org download page would be the tricky (near impossible) part.
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[18:41] <shiftplusone> kivutar, but to answer you question, Rob Bishop seems to be the main contributor. The decision to add it as a proper NOOBS distro would be up to the foundation as a whole though.
[18:42] <kivutar> shiftplusone, ok, so I should write to the rpi foundation?
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[18:42] <shiftplusone> kivutar, aye, but unless it's a large, well known distro and there's a good reason to add it, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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[18:44] <shiftplusone> Actually, Andrew Scheller seems to be the main contributor to NOOBS, but I don't think that's relevant.
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[18:49] <kivutar> ok thanks shiftplusone
[18:49] <shiftplusone> good luck
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[19:06] <panoramix> question: what is the proper way to switch GPIO modes (specifically between GPIO out and I2C) in runtime via C?
[19:07] <panoramix> python is also ok :)
[19:08] <Squarepy> in python I would run a os command
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> you can easyilly switch to general purpose mode simply by changing the pin mode.
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> changing back to I2C mode is trickier - and you really ought to unload and re-load the kernel driver.
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[19:08] <gordonDrogon> however for the I2C, I'd really recommend unloading the kernel driver being using the pins in general purpose mode.
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[19:09] <panoramix> yeah that was actually my concern
[19:09] <panoramix> gpio 2 and 3 are used as I2C if i load the kernel modules on boot
[19:09] <panoramix> what i need to do is used them as GPIO first, then switch them to I2C
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> you're probably OK with the I2C modules loaded though, but who knws. I never load them automatically at boot, but use: gpio load i2c when I need them.
[19:10] <panoramix> that's the wiringPi tool right?
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[19:10] <gordonDrogon> yes - the gpio command that's part of wiringPi.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> it can load the I2C & SPI drivers (but not unload them yet)
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> you have I2C and non-I2C devices connected to those pins?
[19:11] <Squarepy> unloading as modprobe?
[19:12] <Squarepy> as in*
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> rmmod
[19:12] <panoramix> i have a device that needs me to pull the SDA pin high for its initialization
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[19:12] <panoramix> and then it uses the pin normally as i2c
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> You can change the mode to output, set it high, then change the mode back to the correct ALT mode using the gpio command.
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> gpio mode 8 alt0
[19:13] <panoramix> does the wiringPi api have any functions for that?
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> yes - undocumented at present, but the gpio command uses them.
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> alt0 is the I2C mode.
[19:14] <panoramix> so they should be there in the source, which functions should i be looking for?
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> hang on, I'll check.
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> else if (strcasecmp (mode, "alt0") == 0) pinModeAlt (pin, 0b100) ;
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> so pinModeAlt - with the value 0b100 for ALT0 mode.
[19:15] <panoramix> awesome, thanks man!
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[19:16] <gordonDrogon> I'll probably document it at the next release.
[19:17] <panoramix> ah cool now i know who to bug for wiringPi questions :p
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> if I'm here :)
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> if not, there's always email.
[19:18] <panoramix> cool :)
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I've never tried what you want to do though - my concern is that the kernel driver might get upset, but then again it might not care either!
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[19:20] <panoramix> well blame sparkfun :D
[19:20] <panoramix> im using their si4703 breakout board
[19:20] <panoramix> for an fm receiver
[19:21] <panoramix> and they have 2 different init methods for the chip
[19:21] <panoramix> one uses some GPIO pins on that chip, which would be fine except they dont expose those pins on their board
[19:21] <panoramix> the other one is to use the SDA pin, which is what i need to do :S
[19:23] <Squarepy> 0.o
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> soldering iron time :)
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[19:23] <panoramix> no they use that pin internally on their board :S
[19:24] <panoramix> (the one that would allow me to NOT have to use SDA)
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> ah well.
[19:24] <panoramix> otherwise yeah i'd solder some wire on it or smth
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[19:25] <panoramix> i just wanted to know if its doable in runtime
[19:25] <panoramix> i2c modules loaded, switch to GPIO in my code, do the init sequence, then switch back to I2C
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> alternatively - since you're running as root, you could do the gpio magic, then load the kernel i2c modeles... (by either shelling out to the gpio command, or just lifting its code)
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[19:30] <panoramix> yeah that would be what i might have to do anyway if the kernel slaps me in the face for trying to use the gpio mode with the modules loaded
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> give it a go - can't hurt :)
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I have crashed a Pi/locked solid needing a power cycle when devleoping some I2C slave code though. The Pi's I2C is really fickle.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> gha. hpnoes bleeping constantly. might need to turn off some of the twitter announcements )-:
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[19:58] <rainmanjam> Does anyone know where I can find a Raspberry Pi case with a built in USB Hub?
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> rainmanjam, the Mk 2 FUZE box has one in it, but it's �179 inc. a Pi.
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> also has an on/off button.
[20:00] <pjhartz64> does it shutdown the pi cleanly, or just cut off the Power?
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> cut the power!
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[20:07] <lunaphyte_> gordonDrogon: thanks for the primer the other day on raspberry pi basics.
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[20:07] <lunaphyte_> i've managed to cobble together a halfway os install, i think.
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> good!
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[20:09] <lunaphyte_> err, halfway decent, rather :)
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[20:19] <pjhartz64> the pi is the first piece of hardware i immediately got support when i have a question. thanks guys! usually everything else seems dead by the means of support. never seen such constant development for a piece of hw for like 30 bucks.
[20:20] <panoramix> probably has something to do with the fact that its a community platform, lots of hobbyists :)
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[20:21] <geordie> hi
[20:21] <panoramix> i wouldnt expect broadcomm or TI to give you 24/7 support if you got something for $30 :p
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[20:22] <shiftplusone> well, broadcom does, indirectly.
[20:23] <shiftplusone> through Gordon, JamesH and the other BCM folks slaving away on the pi.
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[20:24] <panoramix> well yeah, and so do some people from TI for the beaglebone for example, but im not sure they'd dedicate manpower like that for other products
[20:24] * gordonDrogon points out there there are many Gordons in the Pi world...
[20:24] <shiftplusone> hollingsworth (gsh)
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> this one doesn't work for the foundation...
[20:25] <pjhartz64> usually its always the same with cheap hw. its like try, error, break it, forget it. but in case i break my pi i'd definitely buy a new one. i hope this platform will become more open soon :)
[20:25] <rikkib> JamesH is a
[20:25] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, it's getting there.
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> I think it's more or less fully open now though - but the current bootloaders & gpu code is still broadcoms, but if someone so desires, all the tools and docs are there to re-write them (AIUI)
[20:27] <shiftplusone> People are already getting spinning triangles without using the blob (much) and there has been talk of releasing a stripped down open source blob.
[20:27] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, nuh, lots of closed stuff still.
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> oh? ok.
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> will have to find time to look at it all... one day ...
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[20:28] <shiftplusone> the DSI, CSI, h264 hw decode block, information about brining up the ARM core and so on.
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> when I've finished writing BASIC ..
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[20:31] <rikkib> Hmmm cyclon Lucy
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> ?
[20:32] <rikkib> Arriving tonight
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[20:32] <rikkib> Nasty thing coming out of the Pacific
[20:32] <pjhartz64> yeah the videocore stuff really rocks. cant wait to have the gpu-monster unleashed :) shiftplusone
[20:33] <rikkib> Temperature 19.0 C Pressure 1022 hPa RH: 80.6%
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[20:35] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, out of curiosity, what do you expect to come out of it? Something like OpenCL?
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, Oh, Cyclone... Here was me thinking of some female version of a big gold robot with a glowing LED bargraph...
[20:37] <shiftplusone> really? I was thinking of the australopithecus. =/
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> curse my mis-reading!
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[20:38] <shiftplusone> Apparently it's only going to hit NZ, so it's not really anything to worry about >.>
[20:38] <pjhartz64> i'd say a more stable gui, and maybe a few more possibilities in compileing, a stable android and maye some gl stuff@shiftplusone
[20:39] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, ah.
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[20:40] <rikkib> New word spelling not recovered after 2005 stroke.
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[20:42] <pjhartz64> i use my pi with a led-projector as a 24w computarium. i'd love to jump into graphic programming and gpgpuing. it even grew my linux knowledge already @shiftplusone you think thats unrealistic?
[20:43] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, eh, what's unrealistic?
[20:43] <Raynerd> Probably a silly question, but I'm currently using a pi as web server for my home weather station. Is there any way of using another pi I have to host a different site? I'
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> No.
[20:44] <pjhartz64> lets say... porting opengl stuff.
[20:44] <Raynerd> It seems like I can only port forward one IP address on my router to http which makes sense, but is there any other options
[20:44] <nid0> Yes*
[20:44] <nid0> but it takes some fiddling
[20:44] <Raynerd> Hum, ok
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> Every pi in the world can only be used for one thing at once
[20:45] <rikkib> Raynerd, Was it you that offered to get a wind speed thingy?
[20:45] <Raynerd> Fiddling - above and beyond the capabilities of an average user?
[20:45] <Raynerd> Thingy?? - also know as an anemometer
[20:45] <nid0> host site 1 on pi 1 on port 80, host site 2 on pi 2 on, say, port 80, setup a rewrite proxy on pi 1 to write requests for site 2 to pi 2
[20:45] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, opengl instead of just opengl es? I asked the RE folks about that. From what I gather, it's possible to write something that will work for 90% of games, for example, but getting something that's 100% compliant to the standard would be difficult or impossible.
[20:45] <rikkib> Thats it
[20:45] <nid0> obviously, that does leave all requests going through pi 1 for both sites, but site 2 is the one actually serving site 2
[20:45] <Raynerd> Yes. It was
[20:46] <rikkib> Maplin will not ship to NZ
[20:46] <Raynerd> Hum, I see
[20:46] <nid0> is there a reason you cant host both sites from 1 pi?
[20:46] <rikkib> Can you send me an email please. pwb at bencom.co.nz
[20:46] <Raynerd> Ha... Errrr.... No just didn't know you could do that :-/ sorry!
[20:47] <Raynerd> Rikkib - sent
[20:48] <rikkib> Cheers
[20:48] <rikkib> Got it.
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[20:50] <pjhartz64> shiftplusone: i do not expect 100% compliance, having apt-get running without the cpu being overloaded would surely be great :) i think the pi will be a pretty good allround pc without the need sw-rendering stuff :)
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[20:50] <pjhartz64> need of
[20:50] <K1Hedayati> hi there, I want to install Raspbian throgh ssh, what shuold I do?
[20:51] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, how can the gpu help with apt?
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[20:51] <shiftplusone> K1Hedayati, just write the image, and you're done. SSH is enabled by default.
[20:51] <nid0> K1Hedayati: no such way, you need to write the image to the card
[20:51] <shiftplusone> K1Hedayati, alternatively, for a minimal setup, try this https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[20:52] <pjhartz64> shiftplusone: without the need of software rendering the arm should run more stable i think.
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[20:53] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, I don't run a GUI on my pi, so rendering doesn't come into it. It's very easy to pin the ARM at 100% without trying to do anything fancy.
[20:53] <K1Hedayati> shiftplusone: nid0, thanks
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[20:54] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, it's just not a fast CPU and the GPU is very specialised for certain tasks, so it can only go so far.
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[20:56] <shiftplusone> K1Hedayati, good luck.
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[21:01] <pjhartz64> shiftplusone: i have the most tools as commandline apps, much ncurses stuff, because it already works like a champ for lets say nvlc, irssi, centerim and so on, even gpm works way better than the mouse in x11. using the console without gui sure is fun :) people think of me being a geek more than i am. lol but if i was i could make use of the released broadcom stuff lol
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[21:04] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, heh. I tried going 100% console, without X, but I couldn't stick to it for long.
[21:05] <shiftplusone> Browsing the web is a little too awkward using elinks and such. >.>
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[21:08] <pjhartz64> start playing nethack and you will ;) @shiftplusone. i use commandline browsers a lot, because everything else is hell of an overload...except dillo-browser of course. love it. too bad it does do none of the scripting stuff.
[21:09] <shiftplusone> I didn't get drawn in by nethack either D=
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[21:11] <pjhartz64> but u got the controls right? the controls kept me from playing nethack a long time. until i found out about caps lock lol
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[21:12] <shiftplusone> Don't remember to be honest. I think I played a version with a gui frontend and the gameplay itself did not appeal to me.
[21:12] <shiftplusone> Given things like dwarf fortress
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[21:18] <pjhartz64> lol it really needs much imagination and maybe too much time haha. u play rpg/rouguelike at all? i'd love to see egoboo or SoulFu on the pi. that would keep me from daylight a long long time :D
[21:20] <shiftplusone> Nuh, that genre doesn't work for me. I think Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age and The Witcher games are the only types of RPG games I like, but I suspect it's very different from the kind you mean.
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[21:23] <pjhartz64> morrowind was pretty cool, and fallout 3 was hell of a realistic game. when listening to president eden it is like merkel is talking. and the outside world is just like germany :D loved it
[21:23] <shiftplusone> heh
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[21:26] <pjhartz64> ok.. lets say like germany in 2-3 years :D but nothing can reach the good old 8/16bit games from my childhood.
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[21:27] <shiftplusone> Those were a tad before my time. Prince of Persia 1, Day of a tentacle, leisure suit larry, another world and so on were my starting point.
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[21:27] <shiftplusone> I was hooked on a MUD for a while, but I escape that. >.>
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[21:27] <shiftplusone> *escaped
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[21:28] <rikkib> I used to build and fix spacy machines in the early 80's
[21:29] <shiftplusone> spacy machines?
[21:29] <rikkib> Space invader
[21:29] <shiftplusone> ah
[21:29] <rikkib> Games machines
[21:29] <rikkib> Tables and stand up machines
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[21:31] <rikkib> Cabinets and parts from Asia used to arrive and I would build the machines and wire up the harnesses... And fill up the parlors
[21:31] <shiftplusone> nice
[21:31] <shiftplusone> seems like and interesting time
[21:31] <rikkib> Z80 days
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[21:32] <gordonDrogon> I still run a MUD ...
[21:32] <rikkib> 6802, 5's and then on to the 68000
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> and 6502 was king :)
[21:32] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, any people on it? O_o
[21:32] <rikkib> 6845
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, er, not really now, but it's been live for 21.5 years now.
[21:33] <rikkib> can't remember the synth chip
[21:33] <shiftplusone> that's a shame
[21:33] <rikkib> Bill Haley Jnr is on morning TV
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> I'm nearly done with my BBC Micro sound + envelope commands in my BASIC..
[21:34] <pjhartz64> but i actially cant keep up with the modern games... sure the graphics are nice but when playing just contains watching sequences and occasionly pushing highlighted buttons to see the next sequence i could scratch a dvd and try to watch it.
[21:34] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, 100% agreed.
[21:35] <Jusii> dragons lair!
[21:36] <shiftplusone> never heard of it
[21:36] <shiftplusone> oh, a z80 arcade game.
[21:37] <Jusii> that was a game pjhartz64 just described :)
[21:39] <rikkib> Zevious
[21:39] <shiftplusone> ooh, and then there's the thing called mobile 'gaming' which is infecting PC games too. D=
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[21:40] <rikkib> Modern type game I loved was Mech Warrior
[21:40] <pjhartz64> it is not like mobile games get better, its like pc games become like mobile games... just the way Windows 8 is an oversized smartphone.
[21:41] <shiftplusone> pjhartz64, in defense of windows 8, you still have access to all the windows 7 features. You just have the additional silly interface which you are not forced to use.
[21:42] <shiftplusone> BUT... if you want to install skype on windows 8 without making a windows account.... you're in for long night =/
[21:42] <shiftplusone> because downloading an installer without going through some silly marketplace is just a crazy idea, apparently.
[21:42] <pjhartz64> since 8.1 right? the desktop is vital for windows
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[21:43] <shiftplusone> iirc there were various workarounds to enable the proper explorer desktop since release.
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[21:44] <shiftplusone> no idea though, I wouldn't put that thing on my computer if they paid me.
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[21:45] <rikkib> No more XP...
[21:45] <shiftplusone> Have they cut the updates already?
[21:45] <rikkib> No newer M$ OS's here
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[21:46] <rikkib> Today I will be programing on a Win98 machine
[21:46] <shiftplusone> jesus
[21:46] <rikkib> Freescale Code Warrior
[21:46] <pjhartz64> the only thing what keeps windows in our household is my gf being against linux somehow. i really feel better using linux. windows 7 was somehow okay but it already felt like a gameconsole gui after win98/xp
[21:46] <rikkib> for the MC9S08
[21:47] <pjhartz64> i used to program chatbots in vb back in win98 times :D
[21:47] <rikkib> More defines for the nRF24
[21:47] <rikkib> bit defines
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[21:50] <pjhartz64> lol i ran win98 on the pi some days ago. absolutely unusable :D
[21:51] <pjhartz64> but it does boot lol
[21:51] <shiftplusone> there are some folks on the forum quite serious about win98 on qemu
[21:52] <shiftplusone> I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish, but they have spent hell of a lot of time trying different versions of qemu and benchmarking boot times, game performance and such.
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[21:53] <mgottschlag> It's been some time since the last time I heard "win98" and "serious" in one sentence :)
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[21:53] <shiftplusone> lol
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[21:54] <pjhartz64> when having liquid nitrogen and the skill of soldering additional ram + having some reactor lying around u can take win98 on the pi seriously.... if you dont its a waste of time and blasphemy anyways :D
[21:54] <IT_Sean> additional ram = not possible
[21:55] <shiftplusone> Yes, Sean, THAT'S the problem with that plan.
[21:55] <pjhartz64> absolutely impossible?
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[21:55] <mgottschlag> IT_Sean: well, not if you solder a second CPU onto it together with all that RAM
[21:55] <IT_Sean> pjhartz64: absolutely impossible. There is no larger ram module available that is supported by the SoC.
[21:55] <mgottschlag> I think, the only way to run windows on a pi is to connect some compute module via USB :)
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> 95 should run fine
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[21:56] <pjhartz64> win95 doesnt its a picture-show
[21:57] <mgottschlag> 700MHz ARM should result in about 35MIPS in qemu
[21:57] <shiftplusone> what about using fastdosbox and win95?
[21:57] <shiftplusone> and does rpix86 emulate enough hardware for win95 or even 3.1?
[21:59] <pjhartz64> win3.1 should run in dosbox but why would anyone do that? its DOSBox already :D
[21:59] <shiftplusone> I don't know... visual basic and paintbrush?
[21:59] <shiftplusone> oh, solitaire and minesweeper 'course.
[21:59] <shiftplusone> hell, I remember running autocad on win 3.1
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[22:02] <pjhartz64> well the software might run(if you consider running completely independent from speed or usabiluty), but it surely lacks outdated interfaces
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[22:02] <shiftplusone> If you're not convinced yet, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk
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[22:03] <pjhartz64> :D
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[22:05] <pjhartz64> dunno if the himem stuff would make problems in qemu/dosbox
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[22:06] <pjhartz64> usually modern systems crash when trying to load HiMem.SYS
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[22:08] <shiftplusone> I've recently tried to install dos in qemu and in virtualbox and it didn't work out too well. The install works fine, but running anything other than volkov commander was causing issues. =/
[22:08] <shiftplusone> couldn't be bothered figuring out why, given that dosbox works just fine.
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[22:09] <pjhartz64> did you have dos4gw? that file was everywhere back then ;D
[22:10] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[22:11] <pjhartz64> i think the simulated hw of qemu was not avialable back then
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[22:12] <limitz-ARSNL> im using a raspberry pi, a mcp3008, and python to interface with a sensor i have. i have code that displays 20 measurements of this sensor @1 measurement per second. my question is how i manipulate this data to be averaged?
[22:12] <limitz-ARSNL> http://bpaste.net/show/zrksMLDltVOSQ0GTRWc9/
[22:12] <limitz-ARSNL> lines 26-39
[22:12] <shiftplusone> well... that's oddly on-topic.
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[22:13] <shiftplusone> what's the tricky part? Why not just keep a list of 20 elements when you put the last measurement and remove the oldest measurement?
[22:14] <shiftplusone> a FIFO queue sort of deal
[22:15] <limitz-ARSNL> ill try and read up a bit on python lists. would it be append?
[22:16] <shiftplusone> yeah
[22:16] <shiftplusone> and possibly pop(0)
[22:17] <shiftplusone> though I think there's a better way than pop, since you don't need the actual value
[22:17] <shiftplusone> remove seems to take the value... hmm.
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[22:19] <shiftplusone> something like queue.remove(queue[0]) seems a bit silly when there is pop
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[22:20] <limitz-ARSNL> i guess im still kind of confused. im looping the code in a for loop 20 times, would this add each value to a list? myList.insert(0,readadc(0))
[22:21] <shiftplusone> eh? why insert istead of append?
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[22:22] <limitz-ARSNL> if i used append, what would i use at hte index?
[22:23] <shiftplusone> index for what?
[22:23] <panoramix> gordonDrogon it seems that it doesnt have a problem when im switching modes using gpio from the shell
[22:23] <panoramix> with the i2c kernel modules loaded
[22:24] <shiftplusone> it doesn't take an index, you just use the value and it adds it as the last element
[22:24] <panoramix> at least the raspbian that i've flashed is ok with it
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[22:24] <shiftplusone> and if you use pop(0) it will remove the oldest value. So if you fill the list with 20 values initially, then each time you add a new value, pop off the oldest one, you will have a list of 20 newest values in the order they came in.
[22:25] <shiftplusone> which you can average as you like
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[22:27] <limitz-ARSNL> shiftplusone: i put this in my code, and there was immediate error
[22:27] <limitz-ARSNL> def chan0():
[22:27] <limitz-ARSNL> for x in range(0, 19):
[22:27] <limitz-ARSNL> print "ADC Channel 0", readadc(0)*5.0/1024
[22:27] <limitz-ARSNL> myList.append(readadc(0))
[22:27] <limitz-ARSNL> len(mylist)
[22:27] <limitz-ARSNL> time.sleep(1)
[22:27] <limitz-ARSNL>
[22:27] <limitz-ARSNL> how i am i implementing append incorrectly?
[22:27] <shiftplusone> before that you need to create the list
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[22:27] <shiftplusone> myList=[]
[22:28] <shiftplusone> before the for loop
[22:28] <shiftplusone> and also, in len, you use mylist, though it should be myList (case sensitive)
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[22:30] <limitz-ARSNL> shiftplusone: thanks! just tested that, it works
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[22:30] <shiftplusone> hurray
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[22:32] <limitz-ARSNL> so now i have another issue, sometimes, i wish to average the contents of this list together. but sometimes, my sensor misses a reading and displays "0". How do i check the contents of my list, and remove all values that are 0?
[22:32] <shiftplusone> I think you should be able to use sum(myList)/len(myList) to get the average.
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[22:32] <shiftplusone> hm, sec
[22:33] <shiftplusone> would it not make sense to check the value before appending it instead?
[22:33] <shiftplusone> filtering lists is easy, but then it will be shorter than 20 elements afterwards
[22:34] <shiftplusone> http://www.diveintopython.net/power_of_introspection/filtering_lists.html
[22:35] <shiftplusone> (but I would check the value before appending it instead)
[22:35] <limitz-ARSNL> hmm you're right. it would be less than 20 elements
[22:35] <limitz-ARSNL> not sure how i would overcome that, since im defining it into my for loop
[22:36] <shiftplusone> you can do until list length is 20 instead of doing the for loop
[22:36] <limitz-ARSNL> huh, that would be perfect
[22:36] <limitz-ARSNL> good idea
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> panoramix, sounds good then - go for it in your program!
[22:37] <shiftplusone> then store the value in a variable and append it if it's not 0
[22:37] <shiftplusone> (note that you are assuming that the temperature will never be 0)
[22:38] <limitz-ARSNL> perhaps i could define it to be 0.000
[22:38] <limitz-ARSNL> since if it was real data
[22:38] <limitz-ARSNL> i would assume there is some fluctuation
[22:38] <limitz-ARSNL> forinstance, my adc is a 10 bit, so i have 8 decimal accuracy. i think its very unlikely it will be 0.000000
[22:39] <limitz-ARSNL> ill just have to force the sig fig requirement
[22:39] <shiftplusone> 0.000==0.000000 as far as python is concerned.
[22:39] <limitz-ARSNL> ahhh...
[22:39] <shiftplusone> unless there's something I am not aware of
[22:39] <limitz-ARSNL> but im just saying, if there was a data point that was really 0, it would be something like. 0.000021
[22:39] <limitz-ARSNL> it wouldnt just be 0
[22:39] <shiftplusone> I've only used python for a few days, so I don't know all the tricks yet.
[22:40] <shiftplusone> if you can sleep at night knowing that if the temperature is exactly 0 your program will discard it, that works just fine.
[22:40] <limitz-ARSNL> lol
[22:41] <shiftplusone> I would probably waste time trying to figure out how to avoid the issue in the first place.
[22:41] <limitz-ARSNL> perhaps to check, i will nest an if statement inside the for loop
[22:41] <limitz-ARSNL> shiftplusone: already have a bug report written
[22:41] <limitz-ARSNL> i think it has something to do with the SPI transfer into the pi
[22:41] <shiftplusone> ah
[22:41] <limitz-ARSNL> right now its spi.xfer2
[22:41] <limitz-ARSNL> i was thinking if i made it into spi.xfer it might fix it
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[22:42] <limitz-ARSNL> if my if state finds that readadc(0) = 0, then it will just pop that value from the list
[22:42] <limitz-ARSNL> and in my for loop, ill define it to my list length
[22:43] <shiftplusone> that's silly.
[22:44] <limitz-ARSNL> how would you do it?
[22:44] <limitz-ARSNL> "[mapping-expression for element in source-list if filter-expression]"?
[22:45] <shiftplusone> nuh
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[22:46] <shiftplusone> this sort of thing a=readadc(0) = 0; if (a !=0) myList.append(a)
[22:46] <shiftplusone> (but with proper python syntax)
[22:47] <limitz-ARSNL> hmm..
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[22:49] <shiftplusone> and without the '= 0' that found its way there
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[23:41] <SevenEight> Has anyone had a successful go at running NetBSD on the Pi?
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